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In Brazil, Listening to Bush, a Populist Lecturer PDF Print E-mail
2005 - November 2005
Written by Arthur Ituassu   
Tuesday, 08 November 2005 10:33

American President George W. Bush meets young Braziilan leadersOn Sunday, November 6, I met the politically beleaguered President of the United States in Brasília, the capital of Brazil, a part of the Latin America the men in his position used to call their "backyard" but which now is slipping from their grasp. Fresh from losing the battle of the streets with Hugo Chávez (and the arguments over a Free Trade Area of the Americas) at the Summit of the Americas, George W Bush made an early departure from the Argentinean coastal city of Mar del Plata in order to fulfill several engagements in Brazil.

These included meetings with his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and with fifteen "young Brazilian leaders".

I was one of the latter group: clearly, our publication has readers in high places!

The event was fascinating on both a personal and intellectual level. We had the opportunity to talk with President Bush for almost an hour without the presence of the press, whose members left after the first few minutes of the meeting.

I took the opportunity to ask the President what he can do about being blamed by populist politicians in most Latin American countries for their own governments' failure to improve their people's living conditions.

In response, Bush talked for a long time - perhaps fifteen minutes. (Indeed, an unexpected aspect of the encounter was that the President gave elaborate answers to most of the questions - to a point where the allocated time was used up quickly by his contributions. On at least three occasions, the President and his staff murmured to each other about wrapping up the meeting).

His opening remark, very correctly made, was that he did not mean to lecture other people's governments. Then he proceeded to do so, with three main points.

The first was to emphasize that religious organizations should be able to compete for public funds with official, social agencies; Bush used the word "compassion" a lot in advocating this idea.

The second was to recommend that "a good politician does not care about polls and public demonstrations. They are products of a democratic political life".

The third was to declare that while the United States had no "missionary zeal" to spread democracy in the world, it did possess "a deep desire to help others assume a democracy that conforms to their traditions and their customs ... because the world has seen that democracies do not fight each other."

The President went on to say that Brazilians should start thinking seriously about an education system. We should deliver, test it and make it work. When elected governor of Texas, Bush said that reform of the state's education system was his priority. The pragmatic attitude he forged then continued in his next role:

"I think that it is why I have been re-elected as a President. I see a problem, I make a plan to handle it. I talk to people clearly about it and about my suggestion to solve it. I get elected and I put the plan into practice. People know who I am, what I do and what I will do".

As the flow of words continued it struck me that President Bush, in marking out his difference from political leaders in the continent he was passing through, was also revealing that he might have more in common with them than he thought.

A resemblance that refers back to one of the most enduring of Latin America's political traditions - one skillfully analyzed by Celia Szusterman in relation to Argentina - namely, populism.

The Populist Trigger

By the third decade of the 20th century, after a century and more of existence, most Latin American republics were ruled by specific political formations that proved unable to guarantee minimum social benefits - basic education and health, equal access to justice and public security - to their citizens. Some "smart" politicians took advantage of this gap - by blaming an enemy and, in doing so, generating an idea which functions as a model for further political steps.

This is one version of a political chain that in Latin America is called "populism". Its leading figures are drawn from left and right alike, and its recurrences - from the distance between inclusive promise and divisive performance, through the crushing of minorities in the name of majority rule, to the recourse to the plebiscite as a democratic instrument - are legion.

Many populist Presidents are prominent in Latin American history. Even in recent times, they include Fernando Collor de Mello in Brazil; Alberto Fujimori, who secured power by fighting terrorism in Peru (and is now on the comeback trail); and Carlos Menem, who aligned Argentina with Washington and internationalized the country's economy in a way that proved catastrophic.

Some authors call these political characters the "neo-populists" - the modern carriers of a tradition that includes nationalist stars as Getúlio Vargas and Juan Perón (who are in some ways the icons of the Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez).

Today as in the past, many populists blame international actors and networks - the United States, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, international capital generally - for their country's troubles: a very clear example of the Freudian "convenient other".

But a glance at the contemporary political leadership of the United States - governing a society riven by grotesque inequality (as revealed by New Orleans after hurricane Katrina) and burdened by immense debt, which routinely targets official enemies and international agencies as sources of its ills - reveals uncomfortable parallels with Latin America's populist politics.

George W Bush's words in Brasília had gloss. He declared himself in favor of outcomes in the hemisphere that are very widely shared: a place where children are well-educated; which is free from drug-dealers and terrorists; where people, goods, services and capital move freely; which is becoming united in order to face future competition with China and India. In short, the President's declamations reflected the voice of a "mighty power" giving freedom to people - from outside and from above.

The message, and the politics of power that it embodies, can be recognized as a (rightwing) version of continental, American populism. Thus, behind the cordial conversation in Brasilia lies something else.

No one who is as certain as George W Bush about people's needs and how to serve them can long withstand the temptation to use violence to force people to recognize their true interests. Absolute certainty about all things always was one of the great engines of death and destruction.

Arthur Ituassu writes for the Rio's daily Jornal do Brasil and is professor of international relations at the Pontifícia Universidade Católica in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. You can read more from him at his website: www.ituassu.com.br. This article appeared originally in Open Democracy - www.opendemocracy.net



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Excellent article....
written by Guest, November 08, 2005
...except that as a Brazilian. you have not really detailed your point of view....for Lula....the populist.
No doubt that what he promised before and right after having been elected was not and will not be attained.
He contradicts himself all the time between one speech/statement with another speech/statement done earlier.

The 10 millions jobs promised, despite a booming economy, have been so far only 3 millions.
The 400'000 MST settlements are at 115'000 adter three years. Budget was voted and then reduced silently by 50 % or so.
FMD disease, where 167 millions Reais were voted, went down to 89 millions, but only 30 millions were freed until before the disease appeared. Lula said first that everything is under contronl...but new disease were found almost daily after his staement. He also said the the disease was due to gross negligences from farmers. Rodriguez said that the government freed all the money. But at the end of last week he finally recognized that the government must take the blame.

Is that not populist when high budgets are voted for many social programs, have them published in all the medias/press and official public statements, and then later, silently of course, reduce, reduce and reduce again what was promised and even voted ?????

Come on !

As you clearly explained many Latin American citizens have been brainwashed by their governments who accuse a third party, usually develop nations, that everything that is going wrong in your countries are because of these developed nations.

But as you clearly explained, this is mainly due to hide the failure, corruptions and mismanagements of these same governments.
More In Common
written by Guest, November 09, 2005
You know, your point of view made me think. And after thinking I have come to the same conclusion as you that in fact, Bush and Lula have much more in common than anyone might have imagined. Both are defintely populist leaders but the similartoy doesn't stop there. Both are inarticulate, politically illiterate (part of that old populist charm), political liabilities and totally inept at holding anytype of a functional government together.

If anyone was to assess blame for the total failure of the Summit, it should be jontly held by Bush and Lula.

PS. They're both clowns too.
Tyson in Brazil as well
written by Guest, November 10, 2005
I wonder if GW was hanging out with Mike Tyson in Brazil. HMMM
...
written by Guest, November 10, 2005
Same view as me. I have been saying that Bush and Lula get along well despite their political differences exactly because they are so similar in so many things! (none good things btw)
Education?
written by Guest, November 11, 2005
I dont see why president bush was talking bad about brazil, yeah we know we got a bad education system, in brazil.. but why worry about us, when american students are smoking weed in the school bathrooms, and skipping school, and geting into gang fights in school, and los test scores, adn pregeunt gurls at school ( THAT IS STO STUPID).. and the drop out rate is so funny, yeah yet, alot of students drop out think they did the right thing.. so what if in brazil u only have to some school... but dont talk s**t about brazilian education, when u havent examed your own education system..
stephno
written by Guest, November 11, 2005
come on , lula has to be more fun than than alfred e. newmam (what, brasileros never worry?)
Education in the USA.
written by Guest, November 11, 2005


Whatever the forum member says, no doubt that the educatio n is still muc much better in the USA than in Brazil.

Just read recent articles in this same site on the basic education in Brazil.
- Even basic education is of bad quality.
- There are 30 % of brazilian youths that must do again a class, due to the bad rating received.

NO doubt that drug is a problem not only in the USA bit also in the EU AND Brazil.

On top of that insecurity and crimes are far worse in your country.
50 % of youths deaths aged between 15 and 24 in Brazil, is because of violent crimes !

As to the comparisons of educations, just look at the rating of the UN report. They speak for themselves.
Bush forgets what he did in TEXAS!
written by Guest, November 11, 2005
Bush said what a great job,as governor that he did in the state of Texas! I'm from Texas(Bush isn't really from Texas,thank GOD FOR THAT),thanks to him,our education system is one of the worst.Just like our federal government,he has left Texas w/ a great state DEBT!He lied about the war,just like the oil companys have lied about their billions of profits! In America,as in BraSIL we need new persidents,who care about the people,environment and the world.peace!
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written by Guest, November 12, 2005
I agree totally with the above comment about texas and worl peace. As for Stephnos comment I would like to tell you to go back to school.

But I too think that Brazilian educatiion system is s**t !!! Also dont talk about weed in the USA when in Brazil its as cheap as cocaine and anyone could afford it.

Get a proper education and travel the world a little, then lets talk.

Yes, Im Brazilian !!!
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written by Guest, November 13, 2005
Just a tangent re: weed in Brazil. It may be cheap but it is reeeaaaaally bad......
I wonder if GW was hanging out with Mike
written by Guest, November 17, 2005
Hey, you're dead WRONG. Tyson would NEVER accept the Presidency of Brazil. He might be crazy, but not stupid.
Now, Dubya hanging out with Lula ?
Dubya isn't that stupid.
Why would he want to lower his IQ? Bush back to US with a negative IQ and at the same time the Lula skyrocketting his IQ to 13000+ ? I don't think so.



Why didn\'t you send him to Argentina
written by Guest, November 17, 2005
I’m sure no one in Brazil could learn anything from this man that thier politicians haven't taught them, he knows how to award his incompetent friends with positions way beyond their ability. He protects his interests (Big Oil, Big Money) and he has a team of spin doctors making the soft headed gringos believe everything he does is to protect us from those “bad foreigners”. I’m pretty sure if you handed him a map he couldn’t tell you where Brazil is. It took 5 years but 60% of us finally realize what a moron we have as a leader.
As an American I only had one concern about Bush's vist....that he would return.
Bush a populist????
written by Guest, November 17, 2005
Not any more......... We had our morning coffee. It's seens the President we took home doesn't look so good the morning after..
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written by Guest, November 19, 2005
Bush has a
talk all you want
written by Guest, November 22, 2005
I read all your negative talk about President Bush . I have this to write. I have been to several Countries and yours to boot. And I will say this with pride, I wouldn’t live anywhere else but TEXAS.null
talk all you want
written by Guest, November 22, 2005
I read all your negative talk about President Bush . I have this to write. I have been to several Countries and yours to boot. And I will say this with pride, I wouldn’t live anywhere else but TEXAS.null
harping magpies
written by Guest, December 01, 2005
I saw bush and lula on tv. . .how alike they looked. . .shirt sleeved. . .open in body language. . .genuine warmth. . .love barbecue. . .none of the pretenscious pseudo intellectual bull s**t of the eastern seaboard that laugh at rural america. . .that laugh at the informal the intrinsic self. . .do you really think you can be an idiot and graduate yale. . .own a major million dollar business. . .have a father who is a president head of cia and be the fool. . .we are at war with iran not iraq. . .iraq is a place to stage an army inorder to check the iranian nuclear program. . .the future is unfolding and like chess it is twenty moves ahead of the singular moves and points of consciousness that the harping magpies perceive. . .do not under estimate the u.s. or its president. . .play the fool and let your enemies believe it. . .
God bless the president
written by Guest, December 10, 2005
Bush is as capable of being the president of the united states, as Trinidad & Tobago is capable of winning the World Cup in 2006...
As a citizen of Europe, i dream about the time Clinton was president. Let's get real, what's worse; Tell lies about a sexual affaire, or tell lies to start a war to make (blood) money????
Hopefully Hillary (Clinton) kicks Bush' ass at the next elections, and hopefully the democrats won't let the republicans steal the elections again.

Kind regards from a worried world-citizen.

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