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With 7 Million Kids on the Streets Brazil Finds Final Solution PDF Print E-mail
Written by Augusto Zimmermann   
Friday, 17 March 2006 12:45

Brazilian street kidsBrazilians are bound by law to ensure certain basic rights for their children. Article 277 of Brazil's Constitution states: "It is the duty of the family, of society, and the state to ensure to children and adolescents, with absolute priority, the right to life, health, food, education, leisure, professional training, culture, dignity, respect, family and community life, as well as to protect them from all forms of neglect, discrimination, exploitation, violence, cruelty and oppression."

There are several other legal (and constitutional) provisions in Brazil related to protection of children against all forms of abuse, violence, and sexual exploitation. Some lawyers hail the country's constitutional and statutory protections to be a model to the world in all it says about children's rights.

UNICEF, for instance, describes Brazil's Child and Adolescent Statute (ECA), a legislation created to implement constitutional provisions regarding the protection of children's rights, as one of the most advanced in the world.

Likewise, jurists from the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights maintain that the ECA embraces a "special concept" of children's rights, "introducing innovations in the policy of promotion and defence of their rights in every dimension: physical (health and food); intellectual (the right to education, professional training, and protection in the workplace), emotional, moral, spiritual and social (the right to liberty, to respect, to dignity, to harmonious family and community relationships)".

The basic problem in Brazil is nonetheless the huge distance separating children's rights as inscribed in law from their effective exercise or guaranty in practice. For although the 1988 Constitution and the ECA provide children with "fundamental" rights, such rights frequently do not meet with compliance.

According to Joseph A. Page, "Nowhere does the gap separating rhetoric and reality emerge more starkly than in the contrast between the guarantees afforded children by the 1988 Constitution and the cold-blooded assassination of boys and girls who live on city streets. If there is anything that most vividly symbolizes the perversity of the contemporary wave of violence in Brazil, it is the way it has victimized children."

One of the ECA authors has suggested that the law is in this sense not properly applied because Brazilians still have to "become aware of the fact that... parents are supposed to protect their children, local authorities should assist parents and, finally, the right place for a child is in school".

In reality, however, the ECA and constitutional provisions on this particular matter are very far from being "good" laws.

Whereas teenagers are allowed to vote at the age of 16, they are not criminally liable until 18 years of age. According to the Brazilian Constitution, "minors under 18 years of age may not be held criminally liable and shall be subject to the rules of the special legislation."

As a result, every 17-year-old murderer, even if a notorious serial killer, is interned no more than three years in an "education establishment." This status of impunity has led thousands of children to work (and risk their lives) in criminal organizations.

In Brazil, explains Ambassador J.O. de Meira Penna, "Minors often form the backbone of criminal gangs, feeling secure against police enforcement on account of legal impunity... The absurd situation that has brought disrepute to Brazil results from the legal and intellectual pretence of classifying murderous teenagers as 'abandoned children.' As they cannot be legally incriminated or kept out of trouble by legal means, the easy way out for brutal and ignorant police officers is simply to kill them right away, whenever possible".

The number of homicides committed against children and teenagers has risen dramatically over the last 15 years, since the "progressive" ECA was enacted as federal legislation in 1991, growing 77% between 1994 and 2004.

In 2003, 72% of all deaths of teenagers between the ages of 15 and 19 were due to violent causes related to homicide, suicide, and traffic accidents. Homicide is actually the major cause of death for children aged 10 to 14, although less than 2 percent of their murderers serve prison sentences.

It is important also to consider that both the 1988 Constitution and the ECA stipulate that teenagers between the ages of 14 and 17 cannot work in hazardous, unhealthy, nocturnal, or morally harmful environments.

In practice, however, even small children have been working in activities such as drug trafficking and prostitution. A 2002 report from the International Labor Organization (ILO) reveals that about 3,000 girls from the sparsely populated state of Rondônia were subject to conditions of forced labour and prostitution.

Working children are the most vulnerable to all sorts of accidents in the workplace. There are many reports of children illegally working in areas like the charcoal, sugarcane, and footwear industries. They have reportedly suffered accidents like "dismemberment, gastrointestinal disease, lacerations, blindness, and burns caused by applying pesticides with inadequate protection".

The law also states that children can only travel with the permission of their parents. But in practice, everybody knows that many children are trafficked for prostitution. Girls from rural areas have been recruited at major cities as prostitutes by strip clubs, modelling agencies, and wanted ads. In places along the coast, sexual tourism involves the prostitution of children by travel agents, hotel workers, taxi drivers, etc.

The United Nations estimates that no less than 500,000 children in Brazil are victims of sexual exploitation. The U.N. also reveals that in some parts of the country, particularly in the northern and northeastern regions, "most sexual crimes against children and adolescents are not investigated, and in some cases representatives of the judiciary are involved in those cases."

In 1992, members of Brazil's National Congress set up a special parliamentary commission to investigate the problem of child prostitution. The commission discovered, among others, the involvement of police officers in child prostitution.

In fact, even politicians themselves are involved in this sort of prostitution. In 2003, for instance, police caught five Porto Ferreira (São Paulo) city councillors having group sex with minors between the ages of 11 and 16, whom they had paid with drugs and/or US$ 11 to US$ 18.

More recently, another detailed investigation conducted by Congress in July 2004 discovered hundreds of politicians, judges, and businesspeople participating in the sexual exploitation of minors, which included the appalling sexual abuse of nursing babies.

It was found, among others, that the vice-governor of Amazonas was procuring sexual services from a prostitution network that recruited 16-year-old girls. However, the congressional committee's coordinator, Patricia Saboya, accused the Lula administration "of doing practically nothing to investigate or punish those involved."  

Figures now reveal that 7 million children live on the streets of Brazilian cities. The simplistic suggestion that all these children live on the streets because of poverty must be rejected.

In contrast to what is commonly believed, the testimony of children themselves reveals other pressures beyond the need to earn money. They are homeless mainly because of parental neglect, speaking of episodes of sexual abuse and other forms of extreme violence. Naturally, they would not be on the streets if it were not for the lack of government action as well as the actions of civil society.

Street children are utterly deprived of their most basic needs. They do not have home, school, adequate food, or medical care. They often become victims of death squads or other forms of violence born of their precarious condition.

Since street children often resort to theft to survive, some pay death squads to "clean up the streets" and rid them of this "inconvenience." Many people in Brazil, unfortunately, strongly believe that the extra-legal killing of street children is a valid measure to combat criminality and violence, arguably because they have utterly rejected the unrealistic legal 'solutions' for the problem.

As Joseph A. Page properly asserts: "What rackets up public outrage against street urchins even higher is the cloak of impunity that protects children who kill, assault, and rob. The legal system does not brand them criminals but instead uses the more euphemistic term infratores (lawbreakers) and does not subject them to punishment.

"Under a statute enacted in 1990 (i.e., the ECA), a lawbreaker under 12 years of age is generally released into the custody of his family or surrogate family. A lawbreaker over 12 will be sent to a state institution specially designed for adolescents. These facilities are so antiquated and overcrowded that there is constant pressure to release the wrongdoers as soon as possible, and children escape from them regularly".

The incidence of violence against Brazilian children since the "progressive" ECA was enacted has been so high that a quotation attributed by the press to Amnesty International in the 1990s declared:

"Brazil already knows how to resolve the problem of its children -  kill them". As for street children who manage to survive another day, they have then to worry about the next meal and finding a safe place to sleep for the night.

"A social worker has therefore explained that these children are currently subject to an ongoing process of "natural selection" where "the weak die early from disease and violence, (and only) the strong survive to adulthood".

Augusto Zimmermann is a Brazilian Law Professor and the author of the well-known books Teoria Geral do Federalismo Democrático (General Theory of Democratic Federalism - Second Edition, 2005) and Curso de Direito Constitucional (Course on Constitutional Law, Fourth Edition - 2005). His e-mail is: This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (57)Add Comment
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written by Guest, March 18, 2006
The Police is the Institution which kills the most Children. Fact well known to world. My Questions is; Why the world don´t play the hardballs with the Brazilian government? I believe they don´t want to miss Brazilian cheap resources.
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written by Guest, March 18, 2006
Dear Mr. Zimmermann,

Nice piece!

However, I think that repeating the quaint provisions of our legislations, particularly the more anodynous bits of the "Ulysses in Wonderland" constitution, is a bit passé. No one buys that dross anymore...

Regards
...I also wonder
written by Guest, March 18, 2006
what are UNICEF's criteria for an "advanced" law. Given the UN'S copious production of documents as quaint as the ECA, I suspect the standard isn't terribly high
praying for a better life for the childr
written by Guest, March 18, 2006
how can the world~knowing this problem exists,turn a blind eye?
i pray to GOD for these innocent children,that are on the streets of brazil and in other parts of the world as well....let us all pray for a way to stop the insanity and inhumane treatment,that is inflicted upon these poor souls~that it is not their fault that they are hungry,and left to fend for themselves..i cannot even imagine,myself, as a child,being afraid to go to sleep at night and to have that constant fear of morbidity! just knowing they basically have no future to plan for,and worst of all,to know you are a target,not knowing when your time will be up?? if perhaps they do survive to adulthood, then what? people wonder why they have turned out the way they did..probably still stealing ,selling themselves,etc.whatev-er it takes to survive.this is all they know,...of course it is a viscious cycle.why can't the governments see this is not working?? why do they wonder why the crime rate and violence is high? and stratagize a more humane approach?....if you don't believe in GOD or the devil..can't you see .this is a prime example of hell on earth...pure evil!!!!..my dogs have a much better life,than this...and it is beyond my comprehension, how countries ignore and allow this to exist..how shameful and how pathetic..
PEOPLE!!!! if this is happening in your country~where you live.WAKE UP!! PLEASE!...if one out of 10 people would pitch in to try to help..it really could make a difference,to save these poor lost souls.how can you sleep at night,comfortably? how can you eat at a restaurant,and not think about the hungry?
sorry for the length of this comment..but it just breaks my heart..i do try to make a difference and i make contributions to many organizations..but where can you even begin,here?, if the governments allows this to happen, where would the money go?
i have also wondered how difficult it is to adopt a child. for me, i would love to adopt from "rio",i know there are children everywhere, but this is the place, i fell in love with and visit as often as i can...and for me, this is where i feel a connection and have kept friends..but seriously, how could i find out about adoption,and if
they do allow it,is a difficult process? , and if so, why?
think of all of the people who would love to adopt a child,for example,"myself"who can't have them..perhaps this is why it tears me up even more to know this exists.it is barbaric, this situation haunts me, so.....????
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written by Guest, March 18, 2006
So very sad...but the only real solution is a change in culture. Brazil needs a cultural change if any lasting progress is to be made!
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written by Guest, March 19, 2006
Brazil needs a mental revolution in order to resolve the lion's share of its problems, fact is though, this will never happen.
BRAZIL ! brazil !!!!
written by Guest, March 19, 2006




It is a a medieval country.
Brazil is not a developing country....but belongs to hte LDC countries.
The law is just on toilet paper and flushed away.

The rule of law simply doesnt exist in Brazil. Not even for the politicians and the large landowners, or the police people supposed to apply the laws.

Nobody cares. NO time ! Too busy doing corruptions !

Brazilian governments and politicians are a shame to humanity !

Sad reality !
Let´s put things into perspective
written by Guest, March 19, 2006
So Brazil has 7 million children living on the street (kinda doubt that... God knows where this number does come from). That´s really a shame. Yep. A shame.

And so, because of this, Brazil becomes "medieval", needing "a change in culture" (it seems so practical, it´s a pity Hitler and Mussolini are already dead so we cannot use their social engineering know-how). And apparently most people writing here are Brazilians like me.

Come on, fellow brazilians, stop nurturing your inferiority complexes and give me a break! Go fix Asia´s or Africa´s problems before you call Brazil "medieval". Have a little promenade in New Delhi´s streets and then we can discuss modern medievalism. Go to Sudan or Angola or Afghanistan or the Palestine and then we´ll discuss human misery. As for corruption you can also visit many OECD countries like Italy and Japan, where mafia/yakuza is all around, mixed in each and every branch of public and private life, or the United States, currently run by a political group that has clearly privatized the State in order to fulfil it´s own purposes.

Before that, accept that Brazil has social problems as many countries do, and that they gotta be solved, because it´s a shame for a resourceful country like ours not to do it, and that we´re not "medieval" because of that.

What a bunch of losers.

really?
written by Guest, March 20, 2006
"For although the 1988 Constitution and the ECA provide children with "fundamental" rights, such rights frequently do not meet with compliance."


Is that a surprise? Compliance and Enforcement are two rarely used words here, unless it's to describe the abscence of them!
Re: Let\'s put things.....
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
What was wrong with Hitler and Mussolini's social engineering know-how? The fact is, there wouldn't be seven million, or what-not kids roaming the streets unsupervised with a bit of their imput. As for Brazil being mediaeval, in my opinion (as a European, living here for ten years) Brazil would be better for it. Felons would be swinging from trees, not digging tunnels out of their prison cells; thieves would be minus a hand etc. Get real.
He who has not sin...
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
cast the first stone!

Please, Americans have no credibility when comes to non-violence initiatives. Your butcher president is killing Iraq babies everyday.

However, two wrong does not make it right! Brasil must change and respect her citizens.

Deus abencoe o meu Brasil.
Re: What was wrong...
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Crime is another thing Brazil has to fix, you´re damn right. I hope, however, it doesn´t do it the "civilized way" you dream of. In fact, that´s so European. If the dark-skinned third world ape-like excuse for human being does not behave the expected way, just finish him.
Adopting
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
I was wondering myself about adopting. I'm not old enough yet but in the future I want to adopt at least one Brazilian street child. And if what the person above me said was racist then yeah that child better be as black as coal.
I know my reality well
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Look at the northeast of Brazil.The crimes are even worse than in Africa since slavery, the difference is that the goverment leave the dirty jobs for the police. I am Brazilian and I am not a loser. I would like the guy who wrote about other country problems never went with their own eyes the people in public hospital ding for not having assistence , i believe the crimes which happens here makes Hitler stays with inferiority comples. Brazil lives a war a social war, but nobody cares.
Wrong numberd
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Probably Brazil has 7 million children, not 7 million homeless children, lol...

What a stupid text!
population figures
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
According to the World Factbook at http://education.yahoo.com/ref...pula.html, the July 2005 estimate of the Brazilian population aged 0-14 years was

male:24,789,495; female:23,842,715

This represented 26.1% of the entire population.
Re: I know my reality well
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
You probably do know your reality, what you clearly don´t know is other realities. You think Brazil´s the worst place in the world but you never set foot in India, for example. You say that "the crimes are even worse than in Africa since slavery" (whatever that means), but never set foot in Africa. But I suggest you go and see what´s happening in Liberia, or Darfur, or Haiti so we stay in America and after that we can talk business. You say, and I guess you´re not joking and really believe it, that "the crimes which happens (sic) here makes Hitler stays (sic) with inferiority comples (sic again, I´m getting sick)". That´s a statement so ignorant that I refuse to answer. Go back to your history books (assuming that you´d read them in the first place, which I doubt).
Re: Adopting
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
When I wrote "If the dark-skinned third world ape-like excuse for human being does not behave the expected way, just finish him", I was being ironical. Only with irony you can answer a post from someone who´d like thieves to have their hands severed and so on.
Re: Adopting (above)
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Yes, I gathered you weren't being serious... However, just to answer you, I see no reason to give scum-bags and assorted filth the space to breath. It's time to clean the house, and chuck out the rubbish, especially the ever-begging, ever-wanting blacks.
To the poster who wants a black baby: go for it. I'm sure it's just what you deserve. However, I bet when you're bit older, perhaps a bit wiser, you'll run a mile from adopting a black street kid, and all the complications that are associated with them.
hello people of the world
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
its funny dont you think how we all care so much yet end up arguing about what we care about, who cares the most and who knows the most...as for me im still learning but learning to live. please remember that life is fun. sometimes not so. we each one strive for something better...when will that better come along...who knows.
Why? Why?
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Why on earth brazilians like to martirize themselves!? GOD, are you there? Why did you make me to live in a country full of MASOCHISTS!?

I see a lot of brazilians speaking as if this country were hell on earth, but you don't know hell nor earth.

That's exactly what these stupid gringos want to hear, just to make their day better.But they hide the dirt below the carpet when it comes to their own problems.

They have poor people there, didn't you see the bodies floating in the Katrina disaster? They are full of s**t.

The brazilians that come talk such things in this site are completely unworthy people, with no self love whatsoever, they would sit down and complain all day long and yet not move a finger to change the situation.

I do believe this country has a future but not with parasites like you.
RE: Why? Why?
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
It is not martyrdom to condemn grieveous situations in one's own country.

For example, I am one of many U.S. citizens who find myself discontent with the status quo. The current administration leaves much to be desired.

Your so-called "martyrdom" is really the sincerest form of nationalism. The complacent people who are not brave enough to speak out about problems in their country are just part of the problem.
Re: RE: Why? Why?
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
Brave enough? Problems are there to be solved! Instead of "speaking about the problems" what about "solving the problems"?

This site is only Brazil bashing, nothing useful come out of this, and the brazilians that participate in it are just a bunch of losers that wouldn't ever have the strength to change that.
Concordo
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
I agree with the last few comments. Solutions are more important. Large scale solutions that people can put into place. Any ideas? Thank God for those community bands in the North East. People who say Brazil is a hell hole, well then why do they keep visiting the site? It's because the good things about Brazil still pull them in.

I don't think American's really hide the problems of the country. That the gap between rich and poor is escalating. One man, Bill Gates, controls as much as 40% percent of the population combined. There are 37 million people living below the povery line. Even though most blacks aren't poor and are Americanized they're still not "real Americans" for whatever reason. The AIDS rate is almost the same as Brazil's because Brazil's program is better, and they refused to sign a US accord that would have undermined the program's integrity. We rely on foreign oil, while Brazil has natural fuel. There are plenty of problems, too many for Americans to always think their way is the right one. But I don't think that's what they're saying. I think they just like to tell it like it is and also maybe their expectations are too high for some of them to just stop and smell the roses. As if optimism and vision is too sentimental.

dread
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
In reply to the poster's comment above "Even though most blacks aren't poor and are Americanized they're still not "real Americans" for whatever reason"...What does that mean? So black Brazilians are not "real Brazilians", black Colombians are not "real Colombians"...Anyone raised, educated, socialized in the USA is American period and the same goes for all other people of other countries. If black Americans arent real Americans, what nationality are they, huh? What country do they come from? They're from the USA....they're Americans!!!
Brazil Street Kids
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
This is all thought provoking, but I just want to bring this thread back around to the issue at hand: the article above about Brazil's abandoned, runaway or otherwise homeless children.

Human Rights Watch reports of killings of street children in Brazil date back to the mid 1990s. The above article attempts to shine some light on the matter, and succeeds, for me at least. For instance, I did not know many of the children "exterminated" by the police were possibly teenage hitmen for gangs. This "judge, jury and executioner" approach was spawned, quite ironically from the rather progressive child protection laws now on the books in Brazil.

Wonderful laws are in place. Brazil has the opportunity to be a shining example for the rest of the world in this matter. The officials and law enforcement need to ENFORCE Brazilian law and treat it more as the gospel it should be. But so far it fails at this miserably. If this is "Brazil bashing" so-be-it. Corrupt government and law enforcement deserve to be bashed right into the ground, whatever country we are talking about.
but that\'s exactly the point!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
There ARE numerous LAWS "in place", so many it's mind boggling to be honest. The problem is there is little to NO enforcement. So what do you have? Nothing but words on a piece of paper. And, when laws are occasionally enforced, it's certainly not enforced to those that have money, power, or "conhescimento"!
To all The Racist Whiteys!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
YOU are the ones on this earth taking up space. You sure didn't mind using those ape like beings for 5 centuries to do your dirty work now didn't you?

That is why the Muslims are planning to take your evil blue-eyed devil asses out of this world. YOU are the cause of all of the world's problems. You call yourselves "civilized" do you? If anybody ought to be annihilated from this earth it ought to be your race.

YOU are the reason the world is in the sh-thole condition it is today. Yes Allah does need to do a "social engineering" program on you. You are much too violent to co exist with the rest of the humanity with your caveman like humanoid nature that is unable to live peacably with others on this planet.

But Allah has promised the earth that he would destroy you and your evil kingdom. May Allah the merciful and benevolent bless the warriors who are able to take out your evil kingdoms and its evil blue-eyed devilish sons of Lucifers who rule them!!!!!
There asre people doing something
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
I believe that people who good and work more together with street kids,I work with street kids and i know when we come back to do the worked , they are not there anymore.I know for real and the ones who are killed some might be gang leaders and a lot are not. I like newspaper like Brazzil because is a chance to the word spread out. i am doing my part as a Brazilian , and You ? I might not have been so scholar as same of you brazilian who asked me to come back to the book and i am the one to tell you go and try to speak to the street kids and not only sit your butt and being only theoretical.
Re: Brazil Street Kids
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"If this is "Brazil bashing" so-be-it. Corrupt government and law enforcement deserve to be bashed right into the ground, whatever country we are talking about."

So we wouldn't sleep and stay "bashing" things 24 x 7. There are a lot of bad things in the world, there always was and always will be and guess, THIS KIND OF ATTITUDE NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING.

I suggest you to take a look around wherever you live and start doing something if you feel so offended by such things.

I belive most part of people just want an excuse to make racist comments and bash Brazzil to feel a little better in their sorrowful life. Look for a shrink please.
All that is necessary...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing....sound familiar brazil?
Re: All that is necessary...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Sounds familiar to you gringo? What did you do to avoid shameful things like abu gharib or guantanamo?
Re (above post)
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
... or, BTW, to avoid having almost 40 million americans below the poverty line?
i will help this country...
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
Some percentage of the masses do not like gringoes... but the majority of gringoes are here to help uplift the economy and technology of brasil...
We are all Earth planet citizen
written by Guest, March 27, 2006
Bloody hell, don´t you realize that it is not a matter of Gringoes or no Gringoes, we all live in the same planet and we must do something.
We are all Earth Planet Citizens???
written by Guest, March 27, 2006
We are all earth planet citizen? Thats a new one..how extraordinary? It sounds so science fiction. Anyway I get the point.
KIDS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, AT LAST
written by Guest, March 27, 2006
Btw, well done to the Government for addressing this willful neglect of its kids. It was long overdue.

I hope some happiness comes out of these initatives and that in future these kids give something back to Brazil in return.Thats how it should be.....
BOY AMERICANS CAN BE HYPOCRITES!!!
written by Guest, April 01, 2006
Everyone here saying good men must do something, gringo or no gringo do something. Well I'm the Creole girl of Liberia so see what they said to me about DOING SOMETHING on the post called Samba Dreamers. They say it's naive, there's NOTHING to be done, and try to talk me out of it completely. So all of this bulls**t about doing something, and how people should feel ashamed if they don't is self-righteous LYING because none of them will lift a FINGER to do anything but complain.
...
written by Guest, April 02, 2006
"or, BTW, to avoid having almost 40 million americans below the poverty line?"

the poverty line in the U.S. is slightly more than 18,000 DOLLARS per year. And over 70% of those considered "poor" or that 40 million people identified as such by the Census Bureau own their own 3 bedroom 1.5 bath home!

Now, how about the 54 million brazilians living on less than 2 DOLLARS per day? That's ONE-THIRD of your population! How about the 40 million "threatened by hunger"? That's nearly 25% of brazil's population!

One only makes himself appear ignorant when he attempts and equate the american and brazilian reality. Please, if you're going to attempt and equate brazil with another country, try and do so with countries of similiar realities, like those in Africa.
That May Be So!
written by Guest, April 03, 2006
The poverty line in the US may be 18k but that is still not a living wage. Maybe in the midwestern or southern states a person may be able to own a 3 bedroom home but in California that is damn near impossible in the larger cities of Cali. The average home in the San Francisco and Los Angeles area is approximately $800,000 a whopping sum for even a two wage earner family. And this is not the fabulous type homes either, just your average suburban home.

The Us govt cannot use a one size fits all policy to cover all 50 states.
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written by Guest, April 04, 2006
" The average home in the San Francisco and Los Angeles area is approximately $800,000 a whopping sum for even a two wage earner family. And this is not the fabulous type homes either, just your average suburban home. "

what kind of idiots do you think the people here are???

The "average" home in san francisco and L.A. is 800K huh??? What an ignorant moron! Any human that has ever lived there knows that is an outright lie!

I own real estate in the san francisco bay area and can say in all confidence, that the "average" home is certainly NO WHERE CLOSE to 800,000 dollars!
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written by Guest, April 04, 2006
lol...yeah, that guy is an idiot, here are the average prices for homes in the city Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, and the U.S. respectively.

L.A. $328.239
L.A.County 310,483
Calif. 304,168
U.S. 173,585

Now, here are the median rental prices per month.

LA. $513
LACounty $621
Calif. $563
U.S.$471

Now what exactly is taken into account when average home price is calulated?

The total estimated current price values of all existing homes divided by the number of existing homes. So, all those multi-million dollar homes that exist in California drives those "average" prices up. California has an "average" home price far above the U.S.'s average, but then again, California has by far the highest GDP in the U.S., and in fact, of any STATE or province in the world!

If the STATE of California were a country, it would have the 5th largest GNP in the world!

It doesn't mean there aren't homes that one can buy for 150,000 dollars, and even cheaper, but the real estate market in california is on the upper-tier in the U.S.

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written by Guest, April 04, 2006
and where did you rip that 800,000 dollar factoid out of??? Obviously from you're ill-informed ass!
WHAT A JOKE
written by Guest, April 05, 2006
wHRE DO YOU FIND IN lOS ANGELES FOR $ 621 ?????????

lolllllllllll

tHIS GUY PROBABLE GOT DATA FROM HIS HOUSE IN ALABAMA



...
written by Guest, April 06, 2006
you're the only joke here buddy. Real statistics have been shown, if you like I can post the url. Your incredible "rip it out of the ass" "factiods" such as the average price of a home is 800,000 dollars is so far off base that it's ridiculous to respond to someone who makes such ignorant statements!
RE: house prices.
written by Guest, April 07, 2006

The average house price in Britain is 250 thousand pounds; that's about $300 + thousand US. If you want to buy something in a nice English village (Lewes, E. Sussex, for example, where I live), start thinking about 500-600 thousand pounds. So I wouldn't mind betting that a nice place in LA would be about $800 thousand. Obviously s**t-holes can be found for less, but I understand the guy to be refering to homes, not s**t holes. It makes sense to me.
And....
written by Guest, April 07, 2006
Moema can be expensive, as well. I have a place there too. So I don't doubt $800 thousand in LA.
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written by Guest, April 08, 2006
LOL....well guys, if you want a REALLY nice place you can pick them up in Beverly Hills for around 15 million. That's not the f**king point, and no one is talking about s**t HOLES here. One can buy a very nice house in LA for 350,000 dollars.

And talking about england, my partners are all english bud, I make several trips a year there. It's the most expensive real estate market on the planet, homes that the english pay 200 thousand quid for, which is 340,000 dollars by the way, the pound is 1.7 to the dollar, can buy something anywhere in the states, including LA, that you could never have in england.
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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
How ironic to go from the life of poor children to te cost of homes in LA LA land. It's about the kids, remember?
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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
How ironic to go from the life of poor children to te cost of homes in LA LA land. It's about the kids, remember?
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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
How ironic to go from the life of poor children to te cost of homes in LA LA land. It's about the kids, remember?
Re:It\'s time to clean the house
written by Guest, April 28, 2006
Yeah--that's what Africans and Native Americans, Indians, Chinese, Iraqi's etc should have done when your European scurvy ridden beggin-assed ancestors sailed up to their shores with one hours worth of life left in them!

Instead these remarkable people were hospitable and were repaid by being murdered and having their lands confiscated by your ancestors lying, cheating, conniving, deseased ridden, filth mongering, traiterous scub-bucket, racist-- asses.
Housing costs:
written by Guest, May 22, 2006
I live in the US southwest, and have family in San Francisco, CA. I know in parts of California, housing is the same as in Alabama. I also know housing in San Francisco is prohibitively expensive. In my state, one can buy a brand new 3br home for $60K. In some parts of my city an older home for $30-50K. The point? You can live comfortably in parts of the US on $18,000. A two-income household below the US poverty line is $36,000 for a family of 4. Compare that to Brazilian poverty. No comparison. The police in the US don't shoot homeless children like rats in a sewer. Brazil is indeed a beautiful country with many strengths and generally big-hearted people, but this article is true that solutions to the street-child problem need to be worked out. Killing them is not the answer, nor is leaving them be.
we are failing in our duty to our beautiful children, brazil!
written by teresa, August 16, 2006
I am a brazilian-american and it is very sad to see the anger in these posts. i believe it must come from the almost unbelievable statistics about children; it rightfully makes people ashamed on one side and angry on the other. you can adopt a brazilian child as an american if you learn basic portuguese (required for the adoption). it is not as hard as it may seem. there are many statistics from all over that show numbers even MUCH higher than 7 million. sad but true...eu amo o brasil, mas estamos falhando as nossas criancas!
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written by unknown, October 17, 2006
stupid prayers who would want to read that
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written by unknown, October 17, 2006
WE R NOT INTERESTED IN FUKIN BLAKS
Brazil
written by Sharmin, March 29, 2007
I think its well unfair i hope the people that pressure girls to b prostatutes iz unfair!! smilies/angry.gif

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