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A Phony American Dream and a Too-Real Brazilian Nightmare PDF Print E-mail
Written by Kathleen de Azevedo   
Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:29

Samba Dreamers coverThe Brazil of the imagination is shattered in Samba Dreamers, a novel of two Brazilians in America who wrestle with the myths of movies, politics, and the American Dream. José Francisco Verguerio Silva, fleeing the brutal Brazilian dictatorship, arrives at Los Angeles International Airport and decides he will be Americanized at all costs.

He gets a job driving a bus for a Hollywood tour bus company, gets married and fathers twins, yet the Dream remains elusive as he wrestles with flashbacks of his prison torture. His relationship with Rosea Socorro Katz, the crazed daughter of Hollywood's Brazilian star Carmen Socorro, proves to be more harrowing and dangerous than what he bargained for.

With his life in shambles, Joe realizes that the American Dream, just like the Brazilian dictatorship, was built on lies. Joe returns to Rio de Janeiro to face the demons he fled, but Rosea, drowning in the dream of the Brazil of her mother and the Amazon utopia that never was, throws herself in the ocean.

The frame story of the Portuguese explorers pursuing the mythical Amazon warriors echoes in the modern conflict. In both the frame story and in the novel, the new arrivals want to capitulate to the new culture, yet want to withdraw to the values they've always known.

The fantastical tales of strange birds and tempting fruit give way to the cannibal ritual which enticed and terrorized the European imagination. In the same way, American freedom and the myth of unbridled opportunity can also consume and destroy.

A large fern covered my view. Slowly I moved the greenery aside. There, I saw my first Amazon: large, her skin painted with black genipapo dye. The long wound on her shoulder, smeared with balsam, opened slightly as she prepared her bow. A twine belt around her waist cut into her thick flesh. A magnificent cluster of purple flowers dangled from a tree above her. She raised her bow, shot her arrow and brought down a capuchin; she scoffed at its small size and stuffed the poor fellow into a bag made of human hair.

Carta de Carlos Manoel Teixeira da Cunha a João Vicente Cardim da Almeida (Letter from Carlos Manoel Teixeira da Cunha to João Vicente Cardim da Almeida), O Ano 1639

Senhor da Cunha, You have let your pen wander, for exploration of a new land brings a fever. To be a part of history, there must be truth to your tales.

A resposta de João Vicente Cardim da Almeida a Carlos Manoel Teixeira da Cunha (Response from João Vicente Cardim da Almeida to Carlos Manoel Teixeira da Cunha), O Ano 1640

CHAPTER 1

O Ano 1975

Clouds brushed the wings of the airplane. José Francisco Verguerio Silva looked out the window and suddenly had the feeling of bursting through the glass, tumbling slowly through white heavenly wisps, and finally colliding with the ground, his long Brazilian name smashing into pieces and scattering.

He got up to his feet, sobbing as he looked for all the parts of his name, but he had lost them. He filled out the landing card and gave his passport to the airline attendant. Now he was Joe. Joe Silva. It was all the name he had left.

BRAZAIR Flight 605 touched down in Los Angeles and shot down the runway. BRAZAIR had filed for bankruptcy, and Joe was on their farewell flight. He clung to the satchel containing small presents bestowed on the passengers by the melancholy but gracious crew: a child's pilot hat, a Tom Jobim cassette tape with his famous "Girl from Ipanema," and a small blue toothbrush.

After years of searching his soul, Joe was finally here. The Rio movie premier of Carmen: Você ainda está no meu coração, dedicated to the memory of the irrepressible Brazilian star Carmen Socorro, had kindled his desire to come to America. Then, with the violent disappearance of his beloved Sonia, his desire burst into flames.

Joe's footsteps creaked on the cold linoleum of the long, wide airport halls, the leather soles of his shoes sticky like a dry tongue. The halls echoed with human noise. He carried his duffle bag and flight satchel past directional signs that seemed vaguely familiar --- "Exit," "To Customs," "Baggage Carousel," "Gates 55--79," "Things Go Better with Coke" --- as if they had popped out of phrase books.

But other signs were brief and cryptic, words cut and censored, other words added. One needed to know these new secret phrases to survive, and Joe didn't know them. He saw people coming toward him, pushing through the airless rooms, getting up from chairs as if suddenly in a hurry, snatching up their belongings.

These people whispered to themselves and peered through dark glasses as if their eyes had been gouged. Speaking of gouged eyes! How could Joe not see it coming when Sonia marched up to his newsstand and announced a new love in her life: Ação Popular! The student political movement! She wanted to overthrow the military government, but all he wanted was to marry her.

He had waited a long, long time, and now this? But she was not in the mood for love. "Where is the Truth around here?!" she shouted and hurled one of his newspapers onto the floor. "What a bunch of lies! Why do you sell such crap!" He panicked, fearing they would be caught, and pinned her against the corner to kiss her into silence.

Her eyes blazed fiercely, half for her love of politics, half for her love for him. His feet dismantled the Jornal do Brasil Sonia had thrown on the floor. He peered down at the sly weather forecast: "Weather is black. Temperature suffocating. The air is unbreathable. The country is being swept by a strong wind...."

Joe struggled to make his way through the airport, clawing through the raw and vivid memories that always blended into his present sadness, as they did now, when the memory of Sonia turned into a craving for biscoito de polvilho, which he knew he would never taste again.

Clever cariocas sold these wonders in the bakeries and on the beaches of Copacabana, Ipanema, and Leblon. Dark-legged men and women trekked on the sand and shook rattles as they toted large sacks of biscoitos, selling their wares to toasty sunbathers.

Those sacks, though enormous, must have weighed less than ten kilos because a crackly biscoito de polvilho, shaped like a small ring, is no more than crunchy, intricate chambers of air flavored with salt or sugar. Joe imagined these delicious bits of enchantment crumbling in his mouth, a memory that saudade would never let fade.

Joe continued to the front of the terminal to catch some kind of bus. His saudade for home now came furious and fast, not only for the biscoitos, but for the samba and the jangling strains of forró music and hot afternoons spent over a cold beer. He longed now for all the places in Brazil he had neglected.

He longed for Iguaçu Falls and its multitude of rainbows, though he'd never been there. He longed for Fortaleza and its sand dunes, though he'd never been there. He longed for Teresina, the hottest place on earth; for the Amazon and the ghosts of lawless bandeirantes haunting the mangrove swamps; for the yellow birds and green frogs; for the Rio Negro and Rio Branco, where he'd never, ever been.

He longed for Salvador, where he had gone once as a child ---Salvador, with its vendors selling cheap plastic clocks and vinyl wallets and pet roosters tethered to chairs. He imagined his dark-eyed mamãe, with her wavy hair tied in a bun, mouthing something he couldn't pick up, her Portuguese jumbled into the clamor of flight bags and jet engines. He hungered for her black beans and carne seca with farofa and hot sauce sprinkled on top, and he sucked his lower lip.

Outside the terminal, fresh air hit his face, and he felt better. Hotel passenger vans rumbled past like a parade of army tanks. He heard the shrill metal whistles of parking attendants and saw them fling their hands at parked cars. Suitcases on wheels bumped along the cracks of the concrete.

Here he was, a carioca in a strange land, a land of lazy rudeness he'd been told. But, oh, he had wanted to come to L.A., he had longed for it --- even though Sonia's friends told him that American capitalistic desires were to blame for the military tanks that came rumbling from Minas Gerais to Rio and for the period of unhappiness that followed, the Anos de Chumbo --- Years of Lead, as it was called, and now he wore his longing like a splash of ash on his forehead for penance, but most of all for sorrow.

CHAPTER 18

O Ano 1978

Antropofagia I

Cannibalism --- The Hunger

Rosea carried her steely dog-killer .22 everywhere to protect herself. In her imagination, even in her dreams, dogs chased her wherever she went. She woke up as if still inside a dog's mouth. Her dingy bedroom smelled damp and warm from the freak early-morning rain shower; sunlight made a burning strip on the floor near the window, and the shadows of burglar bars snarled through the curtains.

Rosea obsessed about dogs in the garden until it got to the point that she saw fleet-footed greyhounds chasing her car down the highway. At work, a mastiff crouched under her desk. The dark-blue alleys were Doberman nights, and weedy, dry, empty lots were German shepherd days. She thought of prison and dogs baying behind bars. She was asking for it, playing herself to the limit. Her world waited for disaster, its jaws poised.

Rosea knew she could chase Joe with doglike perseverance, with Amazon longing strong enough to bust three million coconuts. She imagined chasing him through Vaughan Peter's new movie Capture at San Cristobal, a blockbuster action flick where Vaughan single-handedly mows down an evil dictator from somewhere in Latin America with a large ball of fire that rolls through taco stands and burns up rain forests.

She imagined rescuing Joe while firing her gun at a herd of FBI men and finally stealing a boat and taking him to a deserted island with nothing but palm trees and turtles and a freshwater spring. She had devoured her heart in the quest for love, and now there was a big hole. When she wept with desire, she didn't have a pretty dainty cry, a lace-hanky cry. She had an ugly cry, a hacky howl, the cry of anguish described in Amazon legends.

Joe followed her into the garden with the ghost of some warrior prodding his scars, licking his memory. Who knew what dogged his mind, only that she made him crave her. They kissed, their lips making small plocking sounds. His eyes sparkled as he craned his neck for her tongue to brush down his jugular, frightening him to death.

Antropofagia II

Cannibalism --- The Steps

The ceremony is parceled in pieces. The warriors capture the prisoner and hold him for many months. He is fed and sleeps with women of his desire. When the day of celebration comes, he is taken to the river and washed, then led to the village square. The chief praises the prisoner for his bravery and skill in battle and proclaims that the honor of being eaten by his fellow man far surpasses being eaten by worms.

Rosea and Joe spread their clothes under a cluster of bushes hidden from view. Anyone who came up here would have to be looking for them. Any dog that came up here would be shot. Joe lay flat on his back to hide his scar, but he had a smaller one, a white thread across his collarbone.

He seemed melancholy, his manhood in soft, round puffs, too concerned with other things. He'd seen a vision a few times, he said, a woman in white, her hands stained with yellow palm oil. He didn't believe in visions because he was becoming practical here in America, but still...

Hands: Rosea ran her tongue between his fingers, then continued following the life line on his palm.

Joe stroked down her nose with his thumb.

She kissed his palm as if it were a flower, then ---

Arms: Rosea traced her fingers up Joe's arm covered with dark, silky hair. She turned his arm so that his hand faced upward and traced the maroon veins floating underneath his soft, light-brown skin. He had a small scar in the crease of his elbow. "Where is this from?" she said.

Joe's face grew sad. "Soccer game."

She nipped his shoulder and sucked a small lipful of flesh. Joe raised his head slightly, caught her nipple, and pulled it into his mouth. Rosea stuck her hands in Joe's hair and wrapped a curl around each of her fingers.

Chest: Rosea ran her knuckles down his face, his neck, then placed her hands on his chest and licked a small patch of dark hair on his breastbone.

Stomach: She lowered her head onto his belly. He flinched, his stomach tightened, then yielded. Rosea traced an imaginary black genipapo coil starting from the curve of his ribs, making a dark spiral of trouble on his skin. The black genipapo dye drained into a whorl between his legs. She rubbed her mouth on the wiry hair, releasing the scent of a man. Rosea opened her mouth, and her tongue curled into a hook as if using it to pull in his entire body. Then she sunk into his flesh, and it disappeared just like that.

Loins, the Rest: Joe grabbed her shoulders, pulled her down beside him, and got on top of her. His hips slid between her legs. He took one of her knees and coaxed it up. She brought up her other knee and held him with her thighs. He closed his eyes and brought himself down, rocking until their clothes and leaves gathered in the small of her back.

Antropofagia III

Cannibalism --- The Sacrifice

An honorable captive tries to fight back, argues with the chief that there are many people who love him and would fight on his behalf. In spite of his threats, his head gets smashed into bits with a club. The women of the village take the prisoner's body, lay it on its stomach, and begin to trace a knife down its spine ---

A branch cracked. First, it seemed like nothing. Then footsteps shuffled the dried leaves on the ground. They scrambled up. Rosea grabbed her pants and began stuffing her large legs inside the tight denim. Then she threw on her shirt, leaving the buttons undone. Joe struggled to turn his pants right side out first, then managed to wrestle them on.

A bush rattled, a few loose leaves spiraled in the air. Rosea grabbed her underwear and Joe's T-shirt and crammed them in her purse. She peered through the branches. A man was making his way through the trees, and the sun hit his belt buckle and sunglasses as he appeared and disappeared in flashes of light.

Rosea scooped up the shoes, and the two lovers thrashed out of their hideout as they tried to get to the wall. The approaching intruder coughed and pushed his way forward, flapping aside a low-hanging branch. Rosea and Joe hurried, flinching from their bare feet on the ground. "Go faster!" Rosea whispered harshly as they scrambled over a fallen log. "Keep going!"

"Hey!" a voice called.

"Shit," Joe cried, stumbling to a stop, "we're caught."

"Go," Rosea shoved him forward with her armful of shoes.

"Hey!" the voice persisted.

They turned around. Then she saw him. It was some kind of golf-links vision, here by himself. She knew this type. Anger in her grew and mounted into fury. It was a phantom from L.A., a big-time mogul's lackey or a small-time producer, looking studied snappy and bland like milk, hiding the lasciviousness. The man's pink scalp showed through his thin, sandy hair, and he wore khakis, a pink polo to match his scalp, and spiffo moccasins. He was holding a clipboard, but he spoke like a policeman.

"What are you two doing here?" he demanded.

"Well, what are you doing here?" Rosea fumed.

Joe nudged her. "We're going."

"Wait just a minute here," the man said, "this is private property, you shouldn't be here."

"We're leaving," Joe assured. Under his breath, "Come on, Rosea!"

"Well, who are you, Vaughan Peters?" Rosea bellowed.

"None of your business. I have a permit."

Rosea's back stiffened, and she let go of the shoes. Yeah, she knew these men. They worked with her mother. Galaxy Studio goons. And here they were again. The motherfuckers just kept multiplying like outer-space aliens. These men used to slip pep pills between her mother's clenched teeth as if she were a horse, and they poisoned her mai tais with hope.

They were always laughing at some private joke and carried posterboard renderings of new ideas for torturous bingo-bongo hats. They loved tropical things gone mad. When her mother was on the outs, they scooted around like schoolboys with a lot of money and had jaguar convertibles and faggy boyfriends who worked in real estate.

"If you hadn't had that kid," they'd say, "we could say you were still available, pure as Amazon snow." These brittle men drove lonely actresses to suicide, actresses who waited for the big break and for love. These men --- their muscles slim and hard from weight machines, their flesh slippery and blue veined --- these men, like zombies, never died because no one dared to kill them.

"I'm reporting you," the man barked, gesturing with his clipboard chock-full of great big money plans, wiggling his little butt as if he had a little tail bopping side to side, "and finish dressing, will you!"

Rosea unclasped her purse. He kept yapping about the shoes strewn on the ground in front of her, her exposed chest, and snorting like a Chihuahua. She slid her hand inside the purse, grabbed the .22 under the crumpled underwear, and pointed it at Mr. Golf Shirt. He blinked his beady canine eyes. "Hey there. Whoa. Whoa."

She saw Joe's hand reaching over to snatch the gun. She pulled the trigger. Time suddenly sped forward like a Moviola gone mad, when the film just rips through the lens. A red spot flew onto the man's shirt as if his blood had been hurled at him. His eyes widened, his pouting mouth opened just a bit, then he fell straight back, landing with his arms out to the sides.

The above text are excerpts from the book Samba Dreamers

Samba Dreamers by Kathleen de Azevedo
Series Title: Camino del Sol
ISBN: 0816524904
University of Arizona Press
Paperback, $17.95 (320p)

To order, contact: The University of Arizona Press, 355 S. Euclid Avenue, Suite 103, Tucson, AZ 85719 - www.uapress.arizona.edu

Kathleen de Azevedo has been a contributor to Brazzil in the past. You can know more about her work visiting her website: www.kathleenazevedo.com.

Comments (555)Add Comment
Cool
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
Wow the first chapter was amazing. Makes me really want to go to Brazil, and reminds me of my home country. The second part was confusing with the sacrifice scene but I guess that's because it was a random excerpt.

That is very true about America the way the Dream can lure and consume people, especially in LA and New York. The description was completely accurate, it's everything I have noticed in my 10 years here, even the "lazy rudeness".
Wow
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
10 whole paragraphs before the first saudade.
Saudades
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
Do people get saudades for America when they leave and go back to Brazil?
American saudades
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
yes, they get saudades for America, but just litte plastic ones that they can throw away (actually made in China, sold in Wal-Mart real cheap)
LOL
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
That was cute!
jealousy
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
dripping with jealousy. yeah, the american dream is an illusion and that's why so many immigrants come here. The governor of California is an immigrant. By the way California, if it was a country, has the fifth largest economy in the world. Most are jealous because americans dominate everything. Listening to the radio stations in Rio and Sao Paulo I heard as many american songs as brazilian ones, thank goodness cause BMP sucks. At the food courts in every mall I went to McDonalds was far and away the busiest restaurant. To be cool in Brazil you must have Nike Shox, an ugly but expensive shoe. Ford and Chevrolet everywhere. Britney Spears and Brad Pitt are house hold names. Nobody in america knows who Ivete Sangalo or Zeca Pagodinho is. Every Brazilian knows and hates Bush. No Americans know or care who Lula is. We Dominate The Word. Period. Brazilians are lucky that soccer is a sport for "kids" in America or we'd dominate that too. By now we'd have 10 stars instead of 5 on our soccer shirts. Reply however you like, these are facts, which makes you all even more jealous. It must really suck to be Non-American and to have jealousy eat you up from the inside. Peace out jealous bitches!
Re. Jealousy
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
"We Dominate The Word"?????.......hope you meant to say World beacuse with your appallingly poor grammar you´ve certainly proved you don´t "dominate the word"!
Somehow, I feel that when my fellow readers have stopped laughing at your childish comments, they´re going to rip your trashy posting to pieces!
jealousy
written by Guest, March 22, 2006
Sorry I had a type-0. Just typed it, didn't do a rough draft or spell check. Also, I don't know about your computer but this comment box is tiny on mine. Besides the type-o I noticed that you had nothing to say. Why? Because I didn't say something stupid like America is the best or safest country in the "word". I said America DOMINATES THE WORLD. And that makes people jealous. My comments may be "childish" and "trashy" but they are true. You and your "fellow readers" (many of whom are not fluent in English and make grammer mistakes when posting, but I can figure out what they are saying without becoming a grammar nazi) can say what you like but you can't deny truth any more than you could deny your belly spilling out after my Wu-Tang Sword cut your midsection. Protons Electrons Always Cause Explosions.
but I use my anti-sword laser
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
before you can use you Wu-Tang Sword to cut my mid-section I use my special anti-sword laser to turn it into molten metal, burning your hands horribly. And then, after giving you only 20 seconds to contemplate living the rest of your life with only raw bloody stumps where you used to have hands, I use an ancient Tupi curse to turn you into a chicken. But the whole process, while cruel and overwhelming, will also lead you to a higher state of consciousness, a better understanding of life, and eventually you will thank me for it. But your words will just sound like "baaawk puck-puck puck."
Overused American Argument
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
... "jealousy." You ought to have a more convincing argument then that!

Let's see: Jealousy of being hated all over the globe. Jealousy of psycotic obssession with race. Jealousy of pollution and acid rain. Jealousy of drug addiction and perverted crime. Jealousy of the polarization of minorities and immigrants. Jealousy of religion fanaticism. And on, and on, and on...

No thanks... I can travel much safer with my Brasilian passport....Thank You!
then please!!!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Can you convince the one million Brazilian ILLEGALS in the U.S., that have risked their lives to go there, not to mention pay $10,000 to get smuggled into the country, to get the f**k out?

If you achieve that, work on the other 15 million!

Yeah, the U.S. is a real s**thole with every frickin' country in the world having hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of illegals there.

Jealousy because the U.S. gov't. "mandars practically the entire globe, jealous because americans have money, and opportunity, and education...at least 75% of americans from the age of 17-23 are enrolled in College(university). Not less than 5% as is in brazil. America doesn't have illiteracy rates that reach the 25% range. America doesn't have programs like Fome Zero because 40 million of its citizens are threatened by hunger, Luz para todos, because we've had electicity in our homes for many decades, agua para todos, because we've had running water in 90+% of all households since the 1950's. And jealousy because so many of your own people will actually sell or borrow anything to get 10,000 dollars to risk their lives to be smuggled into a country illegally rather than stay in a place where opportunity and justice are only spoken about, but never realized!
Se Habla Espanol?
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
I'm an American. This country is no big deal. For starters there are more drug abusers and users in America than any other country in the world. Americans take more anti-depressants, higher divorce rates, more racial violence and social retardation.

So what if illegals come here? That doesn't mean they love the place. It simply means that US foreign policy makes it difficult for most countries of the world to develop their own infrastructure. After all America was built on free and cheap labor. Illegals have no real choice. Stay in their own country and starve while American multinationals buy up all of their land and prevent them for earning a living or move to the States and try to eke out a living.

Nobody wants the American lifestyle. It is pushed on them. People aren't jumping up and down for a McDonalds restaurant with its f-cked up food to take over their communities. White Americans have such a "god complex" thinking they are God's gift to the world.

And furthermore it is the illegals that keeps America young and vibrant. Americans are a bunch of sour old farts dying out in their own rich prosperous countries so if an American business wants to stay afloat it damn well better start attracting Hispanic business or go belly up.

America will be only dominating the globe another 50 years or so before the old fart vanguard dies out and China steps to fill her shoes.
What?
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Oh come on now. They might have much to be jealous about but they definitely don't have to envy how uptight we are and obsessed with numbers and problems. Or stupid celebrities!! That tacky crap threatens the world's culture it doesn't enhance it. Who cares about Britney Spears or Nike Shox? Geez if you had at least said snow on Christmas or Southwest Desert. Breathed some LIFE into this country. I am not going to Brazil to hunt down Ivete Sangalo or Zeca Pagodinnho. Looking for Brazilians, their culture, weather, landscape, and food!! Positive Energy Activates Constant Elevation.
no habla..
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
but I speak english, as well as nearly every single other country on the planet...if it's not their first language, it is indeed their second. Attracting the spanish speaking market is an attractive attribute, but your ignorant statement about it better if it wants to stay afloat shows your bias and ignorance! With a GNP of 12 TRILLION dollars, 1/3 of the worlds GNP, the hispanic market makes up a SMALL fraction of that!
then please!!! Part-1
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
WE WANT YOUR MONEY, NOT YOUR FRIENDSHIP!

I feel like hitting you....however since s**t splatters, I will contain myself!

Down with butcher Bush baby....hehehe


Yours truly,

keol
No fan . . .
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
You know, I am no fan of my own home country (US) either but when you begin to present Brazil, be accurate and even-handed. For instance:

"I'm an American. This country is no big deal. For starters there are more drug abusers and users in America than any other country in the world. Americans take more anti-depressants, higher divorce rates, more racial violence and social retardation.

It is well known that Brazil consumes nearly as much marijuana and cocaine as America - ranking only 2nd in coke consumption to the US. Brazil has the highest gun homicide rate in the world and when it comes to anti-depressants, plastic surgery and body image issues, etc, Brazil is not far behind America. In fact the two countries are neck in neck in that respect. I love Brazil as much as I love my own country but I am smart enough to know that Brazil has its very own serious problems, including race that people fail to mention. People are quick to point out America's shortcomings, as if that were the subject of this thread: Brazil vs. America - sigh, then proceed to paint Brazil as if it is paradise.

While many of you here are blacks and have spent most of your time in Bahia or Ceara, many of you are here are whites and have only spent time in Rio, Floripa and Sao Paulo. So to the black reader who thinks Brazil is this wonderful, racial melting pot please visit the cities of Blumenau or Floripa and decide if all Brazilians adore blacks; and white folks who have spent most of their time in Rio or Santa Catarina, kindly make the pilgrimage to Bahia or Pernambuco and see if Brazil is all it's cut out to be.

These generalizations about the 2 countries are so absurd it's not even funny. This is what the "New World Order", or whatever you want to call it, dreams about. It's time to stop seeing this world as the US against Brazil or China vs. India but rather the Bushco's and Lula, Inc's (and please spare us that Lula is a “wonderful, humble man from the northeast” bulls**t because we all know very well he has proven himself to be a criminal, or at the very least complicit in a huge political scandal) of the world against those of us who just want to live our lives without the pressures of war, racism, conspicuous consumption, government interference and all the other negative trappings of western society.

The generalizations that are made about the "average" American or Brazilian are so appallingly inaccurate as to be shameful. Yes everyone knows that Americans are the fattest people on earth and yes everyone knows that Brazil has a surprisingly low literacy rate, but the two people on the street in their respective countries just want to take care of their families and be happy. So Americans are fat – is that a reason to hate them? Fewer Brazilians are literate than Americans – is that a reason to hate them either? There is far too much hate in this world and it is flowing from both directions in this case. Americans have an idea of Brazil as some kind of banana republic, South American backwater devoid of all merit according to our “high” standards – this is simply not true as Brazil has much to offer those looking for intellectualism, a stimulating and dynamic culture and just a nice, all-around place to relax. Brazilians have this notion that the average American has blood dripping from his chops fresh from devouring an Iraqi baby. We love war and most of us white folks carry a spare hood and sheet for those impromptu clan meetings we all love to attend regularly. Not all Americans are super-consumers who are incapable of seeing the world as anything other than our own, private sandbox. Please stop proliferating these stupid, harmful stereotypes because we all know (and Bushco is a great example of this) that a lie repeated loudly and often enough will eventually supplant the truth.
...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
I believe this website is flooded by a bunch of people who really have nothing to add, and are so insecure that keep repeating the same lies over and over again to convince themselves I think.

This country is not even half as bad as it's painted here. I have lived here all my life and had a fairly good life.

This idea that the "whole world" envies the US is the most ridiculous one I have ever heard. It does good for ones ego but it's very far from the truth. People here couldn't care less about you, the only ones that actually risk their necks to get into US are people without hope, deluded by movies propaganda portraying US as the best place in the whole world.

The only way to fix this site would be some moderator to filter the hate messages and leave only the intelligent ones. While it doesn't happen this site will only be a Brazil bashing site.
...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Or a US bashing site . . . The US is not as bad as it is painted here either friend - don't forget that . . .
...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"WE WANT YOUR MONEY, NOT YOUR FRIENDSHIP! "


We not only WANT, but GET your brasileira bundas!! And thats ALL we want!!
response to
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"the only ones that actually risk their necks to get into US are people without hope"


REALLY?? And a large percentage of these "brasilians without hope" have came up with TEN THOUSAND U.S. DOLLARS to get them there....if you have 10K U.S. in brazil, you're certainly not "without hope". And tell me, just how many are "with hope" in brazil?? Just how much opportunity to advance from one class to another is there?? If you have the determination to work your ass off in brazil do you have better than a 70% chance of retiring in leisure?? You do in the U.S., and that's the big difference. And MILLIONS of brazilians are well aware of this. When you have 40 million "threatened by hunger", as is stated on Fome Zero's website, and tens of thousands working as "slave labor", the U.S. would certainly seem like paradise to those folks...guaranteed! But then again, any first world country would.
Re: response to
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"if you have 10K U.S. in brazil, you're certainly not "without hope". And tell me, just how many are "with hope" in brazil?"

There's something called "insurance fund" in Brazil, every employer is obligated by law to deposit money in an account for when the employee is fired. And then the employee can get that money when he is fired or for buying a house or for medical treatment.

So, 10K is easy to a lower-middle-class-40-something-without-hope-man to have when he worked for some years!

BTW, 10K is nothing if compared to how much a family of four people need to have a decent life.

Get real, the ones that risk their necks are the people without hope and perspective in life that have nothing to lose.

What sane person would risk crossing the desert to live like an outlaw if they had anything of importance to lose? Like properties, a good life, etc.

"Just how much opportunity to advance from one class to another is there?"

Many. I worked hard all my life, nothing was given to me. I paid for my college myself and studied part of the day and worked all the rest of the time, sleeping 5 hours a day for years!

Just work, just hard work. That's the recipe for advancement.

But some prefer to go the "magical land" where everyone can go form toilet cleaner to billionaire in a small amount of time instead of doing some hard work.

This portrayal of Brazil being a land with no opportunities is just a lie, I see opportunities every day.
Viva La Revolucao !!!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
We will cross your borders, infiltrate your communities, inter-breed with your white women and daughters, take over your lands that are rightfully ours and before you can shout CUCARACHA !!! you will be speaking our language and serving us churasco and agua de coco, I represent the oppressed brown peoples, the Native Indians of the Americas, I call upon our darker skinned black brothers to join us in overthrowing the white mans world and rising up, as well as help rise up the flat bundas of my brown women and mixing your race with our as your women have such luscious bundas, and beat the white devil back to his lands across the atlantic. However we will keep some of your blonde blue eyed native girls to enjoy and exploit so row away white devil, row away and be gone !!!
Let\'s Roll!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
We've crossed your borders, our culture has infiltrated your communities, we inter-breed with your lucious brown big bunda'd women...on vacation anyway, and you already speak our language!! I represent Mattel, the maker of GI Joe!! LOL! :wink:
Here\'s just a few
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
of the titles to articles on this very site.

"90% of Brazil's Sewage Is Dumped Untreated In Rivers and Lakes" -how's that 10% of the worlds agua doce? s**t water?

"39 Million or 20% of Brazilians Live on Government Charity" -20% of the population, pelo amor de deus!

"With 7 Million Kids on the Streets Brazil Finds Final Solution" -killing kids...nice.

"Brazil's School Stipend Has Become a Vote-Buying Scheme " -more corruption, and depriving the educational system at the same time, killing 2 birds with one stone!

"In Lawless Brazil Mob Execution Has Become Part of Daily Life" -police execution

"Inequality Is As Brazilian As the Weather and the Beaches " -slave labor

"Brazil: New Ambassador of Bahia's Carnaval, a Japanese Girl, Ruffles Feathers" -racism

"Lula's Education Program for Brazil: a Grim Comedy of Errors" -another 3 stooges comedy

"In Brazil, The Law Is Never For You When You Have Friends" -no duh!

"In 3 years, Brazil Has Denied 1.5 million Children the Right to Life" -shameful

"No Consistency in Brazil's Foreign Policy" -the brazilian gov't. is just as hypocritical, if not more so, than any other.

"Brazil Recognizes There's Still a Long Way to Integrate Indians in Society" -more racism

"Chinese Ask for Less Red Tape in Their Dealings with Brazil" -get in line, and a brazilian one at that!


"16 Million Brazilian Kids Don't Go to School. Reasons: Lack of School or Interest" -the "plan" is working!

"Senate Confirms Brazil's First Woman - a Confederate Descendant - as Chief Justice" -chauvenists



Re: Here is just a few
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Just a few of what? Brazil bashing propaganda?

Gringo, get a life. What are you doing here? This site is a shame, and it's a shame that other brazilians actually participate in it.

And there are bastards trying to be "honest" about the problems.... for what? For these gringos to hide their problems and say racist and hate messages?

Not sure if you noticed, but my intent is to make all brazilians go away from here.
brazil bashing..
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
propaganda???

They certainly appear to be fact-based!
Here\'s just a few
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
of the titles to articles on this very site.

"Memories of My Good Friend, a Brazilian Whore" -not uptight, always plus

"Jesus and the African Gods of Brazil's Northeast" -cultured, don't want West influence there

"Despite Its Derelict Air, Joao Pessoa, Brazil Has Some Charm"
-people love even obscure places that annoyed them before

"Carmen: The Unhappy Hollywood Life of Brazil's Shinist Star Ever" -Money isn't everything

"Desperately in Need of Friends Bush Warms up to Brazil"
-even president trying to assimilate
????
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"and it's a shame that other brazilians actually participate in it"


It's a shame that more DON'T participate!! The middle and upper classes need to not only admit, but that is step 1, but do something about the plight of a HUGE percentage of their population being denied education and suitable living conditions, not to mention sufficient nourishment and basics such as food and drinkable and accessible water!!

Guess you're another one of those brazilian "ostriches" that are so abundant in the middle and upper brazilian classes!!!!!!!
...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
And I guess you are another "know it all" gringo. You have all the answers! Socrates once said the path to wisdom is to first admit you know nothing, if that's true then YOU ARE IN THE EXTREME OPPOSITE OF WISDOM.

I assure you that the first step IS NOT PARTICIPATING IN A BRAZIL BASHING SITE ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF AMERICAN NAZIS.

Why don't you focus in the problems of your country? BTW, what are you doing to fix them?

Do you know what the "sophism" means? To communicate an idea specially crafted to confuse people instead of enlighten them, to convince them instead of making them understand!? THIS IS ALL WHAT THIS SITE IS ALL ABOUT!

This may be partially based in facts but if Brazil were 10% as bad as it is painted here I would be crossing the desert from Mexico to US tomorrow!
You can criticize A without agreeing wit
written by jaredmgo, March 23, 2006
I was irritated to see an article I had contributed to this site – “Brazil: New Ambassador of Bahia's Carnaval, a Japanese Girl, Ruffles Feathers" used by one of the indiscriminate Brazil bashers that invest these comment sections.

George Orwell, in his 1945 essay “Through a Glass, Rosily” expressed the settlement I’m looking for when writing about the use of a E.M Foster’s work by Nazi propagandists during World War II.

“Just because the book was essentially truthful, it could be made to serve the purposes of Fascist propaganda. According to Blake,
A truth that’s told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent
And anyone who has seen his own statements coming back at him on the Axis radio will feel the force of this.”

The scale is smaller here, but the ideas are the same.

I enjoy this page and the discussions, but far too often what could have been an interesting exchange dissolves into a sophomoric and often racist debate on whether Brazil and Brazilians are inherently good/bad, smart/stupid, or whatever other false dualisms some idiot decides to invoke.

The blind patriots are not much better.

Immigrants, wherever they are from, and wherever they go, often fall into 1 of 2 mental traps. One, they indiscriminately adopt their new home, and detest everything (and everyone) from their past as inferior and corrupt. OR, they do the opposite, and detest everything (and everyone) in their new home, and view their native land as morally superior.

So here, we have Americans in Brazil who indiscriminately hate Brazil, then there are Brazilians in America who indiscriminately hate Brazil.

Next we have the Americans in Brazil who fell in love with the place and can’t stand BushLand, or the Brazilians in the USA who have idealized their homeland into a happy Carnaval paradise. Then toss in a few internet racists nutcases who grace us with their presence.

Not every post I read falls into one of these categories – far from it – but far too many do.

Jared - give it up . .
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
I noticed you have protectors on high above who are kind enough to shield you from your detractors so what happens when we respond - will those posts be vaporized to protect your fragile ego?

"George Orwell, in his 1945 essay “Through a Glass, Rosily” expressed the settlement I’m looking for when writing about the use of a E.M Foster’s work by Nazi propagandists during World War II.

“Just because the book was essentially truthful, it could be made to serve the purposes of Fascist propaganda. According to Blake,
A truth that’s told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent
And anyone who has seen his own statements coming back at him on the Axis radio will feel the force of this.”

Please spare us this kind of psuedo-intellectuallism in the future. I have been reading your junior journalist drivel and it is doubtful you can begin to entertain any idea what that random regurgitation really encapsulates. Quit taking yourself so seriously. This site is a joke and your writing generally falls into that category as well. Relax and join the Brazil/America bashing. Ain't it great??
well jared...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
the next time you get "tough with a brazilian politician", you may want to prepare a little more than to ask one question then "dummy-up". A queston that every single reporter in the U.S. would be asking an american politician in the same circumstances and at every turn, and it would be necessary that a viable explanation be given unless he wanted to be subject to a senate investigation. I mean, there are enough facts that are known, or misterious disappearances of huge amounts of cash that you should be able to nail some of these guys to the wall publicly. But I understand, you are a gringo in brazil, and if you got too tough it wouldn't be out of the question for your face to show up on milk cartons back home.

Jared, if you've been in brazil a while then you're quite familiar with the mind-set of huge numbers of brazilians, and even brazilian companies, that have an ideology to absolutely attempt and deflect blame at any and all costs. Look for the most viable scapegoat and point your finger. Anything but to accept responsibility for your own plight. Afterall, if others have control of your destiny then your admitting defeat, and have no reason to even attempt a try at change. It's much more convenient, not to mention painless, to say, it's the americans, the europeans, the portuguese and how our country was settled half of a millenium ago. The first step in solving ANY problem, is the recognition and acceptance that one exists, after that you only have to take action. Unfortunately, there are a helluva lot of brazilian middle and upper-class brazilian ostriches!

And the comment about your article on the Japanese girl at carnaval in bahia was a classic example of how racism does exist in brazil, which is contrary to what MANY brazilians would like people to believe. Like this is one big happy melting pot.
Honestly
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Jared, what kind of things do you expect to hear in such place? Every forum on the internet that is not moderated will get full of a*****es and hate messages.

I'm always amazed by "good intentions" of some of saying "the truth". You need to know who needs to hear it, and who deserves to hear it. And I am sure that no one here needs it.

Isn't the path to hell paved with "good intentions"? This place is full of nazis, if you contribute to it then you are contibuting with nazis therefore you're a nazi too. Do you want to have your name associated with this filth?

I'm speaking in the name of reason! Problem need to be solved! BUT WHAT'S THE POINT OF CONTRIBUTING TO A SITE LIKE THIS? Do you expect any "contructive criticism"?

Now, thank you for feeding the bashers. Now, please go write articles somewhere else.
Re: well, jared...
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
First of all, you wish there were racism here so you could live in peace, you nazi.

I'm not saying that this country 100% racism free, but it's FAR LESS than in the US and of a different kind. The black culture is everywhere and not confined to a guetto!! And our integration is not limited to "white rappers", but it happens in a DNA level.

Now, you ignorant, shut up, would you?

Now about the brazilians, where did you get that load of crap you have written!! You are the perfect example of Brazil basher attending this website with the sole purpose of pissing as much people off as you can, trying to make them feel as miserable as you do.
LOL!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"First of all, you wish there were racism here so you could live in peace, you nazi."


No idiot, read the post, you can read can't you?? There IS racism in Brazil...you certainly don't have to WISH for it!!

At least in the first world you don't have people dying from their working conditions....aka, slave labor. And of course those folks are white brazilians huh numbnutz?

And if you think that brazil has far less racism than the U.S., well, you're a white or moreno brazilian aren't ya?? Ask a negro brazilian if he's been discriminated against because of his color!!
Jared
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Jared I agree with what you said. So dualistic! And I love the apocryphal statistics don't you, with only 5% of them being nice and such?
1 at a time
written by jaredmgo, March 23, 2006
Now we have some real combat. I’m not sure how best to deal with this logistically, so I’ll go in order of appearance.

First, to my detractor at “Jared –give it up”

IT is hard to debate you, because as usually, you fail to make a single argument, but just peddle in lazy insults and direct commands. At least this time you did not wish for my death or “disappearance” at the hands of local thugs – wishing for the murder of your opponents is out of line in any semi-moderated debate.

My quote of Orwell was “random regurgitation” ? Really, how so then? Or are you just having fun with labels and intellectual sounding words? (your snobbish “really encapsulates” in lue of “means” for instance)

Take yourself more seriously, at least to the point where you bother to have something to say when you write.

My writing fails in many categories -- that much I freely assume – but yours fails in all of them. You are mean spirited jerk who specializes in nasty quips and spends his time reading and responding to a site he considers a joke. Why do you bother to read it?

--

Next—

I only had time for one question with Paulo Souto, as there was no press conference or “collectivo”. I asked the question acting under a “what if” pretense, as in, “what if politicians around here actually had to answer unfriendly questions at project inaugurations?” There was no news at the event (and I made it clear I was unimportant) so I wrote the narrative around the question itself.

As for not being better prepared—that was actually part of what I was writing about – the fact that I couldn’t get the ahold of the detailed article before he came because all the copies were “sold out”

There are ostriches, as you call them, in every country. But, the journalists who wrote the articles and did the investigation revealing the latest charge of corruptions against ACM and the PFL in Bahia were not among them. Neither was the editor of Jornal da Bahia, who I mentioned in the comments section. I could go on citing names, but what I’m getting at is that there is a national debate in Brazil, and there are scores of Brazilans who are willing to recognize problems, ask difficult questions, and confront them. Brazil is not a nation of ostriches and you would be wrong to say so.

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Now, to the “What the point of contributing” person

I disagree with your premise – that this site is anti-Brazilian – so of course I disagree with your conclusion.

It’s the internet in general that’s full of Nazi’s, and you are correct to say that any forum that is not moderated will attract them.

But the contributors are not the bashers you portray them to be – it’s a group of volunteers who, for whatever reason, decided to write about Brazil. Is there a better site allowing people to do so? Not that I know of.
Jeesh, another one!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Response to:

"Now about the brazilians, where did you get that load of crap you have written!!"

Really? Ever had a problem....sorry about that, when you've had problems with Telemar, Intelig, Embratel, Vivo, the power company, your computer, your car, etc., etc., etc. How many times have you heard this, "sorry sir, we've recognized we have a problem, and we're correcting it as soon as possible, and for your inconvenience we're going to give you a 25 reais credit on your next bill and the problem will be resolved within 24 hours"

Answer: NEVER!

Brazilian Reality: Problem with Telemar and telemars response; "who's do you use for long distance?? Ohhh Embratel, then it's Embratel, a problem in their system".

Problem with Embratel: Response: "Who's your local carrier? Ohhh Telemar, then you need to open up a reclamçao with them".

Computer Store: The black market mother board you sold me from Paraguay is toast! Response: "it's the power company, these power surges here are terrible. Our customers have this problem all the time, you need to make a complaint with the power company.

Power Company: Your power surges burnt up my motherboard. Response: "They buy those motherboards in Paraguay ya know, it's not our fault.

Car: Problem with whatever. Response: Your warranty doesn't cover that, and if you've ever even so much as taken your car to get the oil changed at any other place than one of our authorized service centers....well, you're f**ked!

Lula and the PT scandal..."Não foi eu!! Sabia NADA, NADA(doing his best Schultz imitation from Hogan's Heros!)
Re: LOL!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
Hahahaha

You have gone too low. smilies/smiley.gif That shows that you got really pissed off with what I said. So, are you enjoying it, american nazi?

What slave labor are you talking about!? You speak as if at every corner there people enslaved, that shows that:

- Either you are an idiot and believes blindly in the bashing propaganda in this site;
- Or you are a nazi deliberately trying to piss other people off;

This is the art of picking one thing, that's a minor thing considering the fact that Brazil has continental dimensions and a population of almost 200 million, and use just as an excuse for bashing this country.

There are many problems here but slave labor is not one of them.

And about the blacks. THEIR CULTURE IS PART OF THE BASE OF WHAT BRAZIL IS!!

ARE YOU TRYING TO ARGUE THAT EVERYTHING NOT ONLY MUSIC, BUT FOOD, CUSTOMS, RELIGIONS, NAMES, EVEN A MARTIAL ART, etc, is less than in US!? What!?

They don't need to be accepted here, THIS IS THEIR COUNTRY! This is not a white country where a bunch of nazis like yourself allow them to live as inferiors like in US, but their contribution WAS MAJOR, and I am proud to have this blood.

Now that you mentioned, YOU SHOULD ASK THOSE BLACKS SURVIVORS FROM KATRINA IF THEY FEEL DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR!!! Hahahahhaah

If anyone saw me now would think I'm nuts because I AM LAUGHING SO HARD IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER!!! Hahahahaha

Thank you for the good time, have a nice day! smilies/smiley.gif
Re: Jeesh, another one
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
That's not what the other guy meant. The "finger pointing" he mentioned was of a bigger kind, not trying to assume the bad situation you are in, and it has nothing to do with bad service.

I believe you misunderstood everything.
that\'s terrible!!
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"There are many problems here but slave labor is not one of them."

Slave labor isn't a problem in brazil??? Well tell that to those that are working as slave laborers!!! Do you want the U.N. reports or the reports from here within Brazil itself!! Pretty f**king terrible that you would attempt and diminish an outright shameful situation such as this. The state of Mato Grosso is one of the biggest culprits, and how ironic that the judge from that very state made the following comments in regards to brazilians getting fingerprinted and photographed, along with peoples from 140+ other countries when entering the U.S.


"absolutely brutal, threatening to human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis."

Those comments are MUCH more appropriate to the slave labor situation that exists in his very own state!!!

Read this numbnutz, and if you want U.N. reports, I can give you those url's too!


http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/5741/


Now, go feel ashamed about yourself and the people in your country for allowing this s**t to continue in the year 2006! How does it feel to take your head out of your ass?
response..
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
"That's not what the other guy meant. The "finger pointing" he mentioned was of a bigger kind, not trying to assume the bad situation you are in, and it has nothing to do with bad service. "

I knew exactly what he was saying, my examples are a prime example of this, it happens and infiltrates everything and everywhere, from the highest levels of politics, down to mainstreet. It's an ideology, a mindset. It infiltrates politics, businesses and the average joe on the street. Ever notice how it's like a trip to the dentist getting a "desculpa" from a brazilian?? Same thing, just at a lower level. Whatever you do, don't admit your wrong, don't admit there is a problem, or worst case scenario, let out an "ohhh-pa!"
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written by jaredmgo, March 23, 2006
To the Brazilian: Yes, slave labor in a problem in Brazil, especially in remote ares, and there are more then enough stats, reports, and investigations to prove it. No, it is not Brazil’s most pressing issue, but the mere fact that salve labor exists, even if it is on a small scale, is morally repugnant, and deserves action.

The situation is much worse when you consider other labor abuses…

To the Non-Brazilian: Yes, there are many things wrong in Brazil and salve labor is one of them. But why should every Brazilian, as you seem to believe “go feel ashamed” about
themselves and their country?

I am an American, and I believe that there is a lot wrong in my country, and that my country has done a lot of wrong in other parts of the world. I don’t feel guilty about any of it.

It would be pointless to get into a debate about the United States right now, but my point is this – there is no such thing as collective guilt. One can only be judged by one’s actions, not by your nationality.

--
I’m going to sleep. I had hoped from a response from Mr. Nasty if just for the chance to thrash him some more, but it seems I am not so lucky.



On Slave...
written by jaredmgo, March 23, 2006
that last post should have had the subject, On Slave Labor

excuse the type-os, it is a bad tendency of mine.
New here
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
I just stumbled across this site, as I'm planning my first trip to brazil this July. After reading this article and the responses, I have to say that I'm more than shocked about some of the things that people have said. Apparently there are some non-brazilians making many negative posts about brazil, and apparently the same from brazilians in respect to the U.S.

The comment that "threw" me off the most was the poster who commented about slave labor existing in brazil today, because I sincerely thought he was just talking out the side of his mouth. So I did a little research on my own, and it didn't take me long to find that he indeed was stating fact.

To the poster who appears to be brazilian, and his responses to that statement;

"What slave labor are you talking about!? You speak as if at every corner there people enslaved" -Does this problem have to exist in epidemic proportions to admit not only it's existance, but to be downright angry that your government, and your people, are allowing and perpetrating this travesty to exist?

"This is the art of picking one thing, that's a MINOR thing considering the fact that Brazil has continental dimensions and a population of almost 200 million, and use just as an excuse for bashing this country."

Slave labor exiting in the year 2006 is a MINOR thing? I would have never dreamt that such a thing existed in brazil in this day and age. Your justifying the existance of SLAVE LABOR because you have a big country?


"There are many problems here but slave labor is not one of them."


If you're going to totally misrepresent the reality that exists, you would be better off keeping quiet, because you're doing nothing but confirming other negative statements that have been made such as brazilians aren't willing to admit and accept their problems. It doesn't matter if this situation exists for 100 people, or 100 million, it's surprising, distigusting, and shameful that it exists at all!

This is unbelievable!!! For the last 30 minutes I've been sitting here in shock! It's certainly contrary to everything I've seen or read about brazil up to this point.









Gresham\'s Law
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"Bad money drives out good" in economics. There is something like that here and on most Brazzil article discussions: there are some good people with interesting contributions to make to a discussion. And then there are the Brazil-bashers and the American-bashers, some foul-mouthed, some racist, taking over any conversation and driving it down to the lowest and crudest levels and destroying whatever chance there is for rewarding discussion. The only real answer to this, I think, is just to maybe hire some off-duty Rio cops to take these guys out, and no, I don't mean for dinner and drinks. Then decent people will be able to use these discussion boards again.
Re: New Here
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
It's one thing for them to say it doesn't exist. That's unawareness. It's another thing for them to say it doesn't when they know it does. That's horrible. BUT at the same time, I can see that they feel that outsiders hear one bad thing and think a place is a complete nightmare. What they're saying is that you can't use one problem that exists to cast dispersions on an entire country and its lay people. Especially one that is bigger and has 50 million more people. Some of them were not aware of that existing there. Just like many are not aware that 20,000 men, women, and children are imported into the US annually against their will. Should we be ashamed of ourselves. Will anger and shock actually end it, or just awareness? And there are definitely organizations in Brazil working to put a stop to it, they're not all shrugging and pointing randomly at other people. 4,000 slave laborers were freed two years ago and recompensated for their time. Also it's interesting to note that many slave laborers HAVE NO IDEA that they're slave laborers, (think they will eventually be getting paid) or have no intention of leaving, because they figure that any form of work beats unemployment. Also that it's not unique to this one country, there are 27 million slaves around the world and 700 million sex slaves. What is unique is that people expected this place to be idyllic and separate from the rest of the developing world.



where did you get your statistics
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
700 million sex slaves? lets see there are 6 billion people in the world so you are saying less than 1 in 9 people is a sex slave. Did you mean 700 thousand? I hope, because there is no way you could actually believe that stat. Unless you are saying every housewife by defenition is a sex slave or some other crazy logic people put forward to further thier own agenda.
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
I meant more than 1 in 9 people.
...
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"4,000 slave laborers were freed two years ago and recompensated for their time"

Does that make it allright? What about the ones that died because of their working conditions, how did they compensate them?

As far as 20,000 people being smuggled into the states against their will, I would like to see those statistics, as most are dying(literally) to get there. But I am aware that Asian gangs exist and do this activity, locating some in "sweatshops". Which has been known for quite some time, and the garment district in NY is closely scrutinized for this very activity. When caught, those responsible are jailed. I found in my searches that a brazilian politician, possibly a senator, was caught with 500+ "slave laborers". Is he in prison?
I give up
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
It's impossible to argue with mindless Brazil bashers. Their only intent is to spread lies about my country! Could you use your rational mind for a few seconds?

I repeat, if Brazil were 10% as bad as it is pictured here I would move to somewhere else, anywhere, in the first chance I got.

The fact that I still live here and believe that I can make a good living here tells enough.

SLAVE LABOR IS NOT A PROBLEM HERE. Ok, there are a few in some remote areas. But that's like saying that ALL AMERICANS ARE GENOCIDAL PSYCHOPATHS WHOSE FAVORITE PASSTIME IS TO TORTURE MEN IN SOME PRISON IN A REMOTE AREA ONLY BECAUSE SOME MORONS DID IT IN ABU GHARIB!

Are you happy that such thing exist in 2006, IN YOUR COUNTRY!? It looks like medieval to me!

Are you just as sick as they are? ARE YOU?

Do you feel ashamed? What did you do change that? Did you vote for Bush?

Is the best description of the US is that woman giving an OK to a camera and holding a leash of a prisoner naked!? Is it?

You see, that makes absolutely no sense!! IF YOU CONTINUE TO INSIST IN SLAVE PROBLEMS WE WILL HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT ALL GRINGOS, NO EXCEPTIONS, AS JUST AS SICK AS THOSE FROM IRAQ, is it correct?

Now, what about the gang that traffic people to Europe to make them to work as sex slaves? Why those europeans that promise work in a rich country and then put the woman in a whorehouse with no chance of coming back before "she pays the costs of her trip and living" are never talked about?

I believe the reason of this site is simple and clear: Brazil bashing. For whatever reason, it doesn' matter, what matters is Brazil bashing for you.

I really hope after this message that those stupid gringos once and for all give on bashing my country. Or at least find something else to talk.
what kind of
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
stat is that??


"I meant more than 1 in 9 people."

Well, more than 1 in 9 people have been to the moon. That tells me nothing.
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"Are you happy that such thing exist in 2006, IN YOUR COUNTRY"

Last time I checked, Cuba wasn't the U.S. Not defending what happened, terrible, and those that are being blamed are being tried and held accountable, some have already received prison sentences. And, it is a time of WAR, these aren't American citizens, these are alleged, in all fairness, people that are believed to have ties with terrorists organizations. A little different than enslaving your own people, wouldn't you say? Your comparing actions taking by a military, in a time of war, to "peacetime" here in Brazil.

As far as those nasty Italians and taking brazilian women and others to work as sex slaves, they should hang those bastards!
...
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
That was caused by your people!! Committing abuses everywhere they can!!

What lame excuse of yours. If the army of the US commit such crimes they should be attributed to ALL AMERICANS, that supported that war.

Of course, that's following the same logic as you do for the "slave problem".

Now, admit that the whole purpose of this site is to bash Brazil, not to produce rational thought.
it\'s common..
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
to hear brazilians justify their murder rate in their country of peaceful song-birds, samba-dancing, racial melting pot, to the WAR in Iraq.

Justifying the existance of slavery because, "it's not only us, it happens in other countries too!!"

I'd stop with these so-called "negative" posts if when people bash the states they would do so factually. There is a lot to bash there which can be done so factually. But let's put it into some perspective. The fundamental problems that exist in a country like brazil, today, are difficult to compare with the U.S. if not impossible. Your comparing apples to oranges. The U.S. gov't. does invest in it's people, access to education for all, infrastructure, legislation that is actually enforced, a system of justice that is not based on "who you know" or "how much money you have". A system where the normal citizen actually sees some return on his tax dollars. None of the above can be said about brazil with a straight-face.

The problems that face brazil are much more basic fundamental problems of human survival. When you have close to 25% of your entire population that are "threatened by hunger", and millions upon millions of citizens without access to potable water, yet your country is full of these resources, there are basic, fundamental problems that exist and one would think would be a MAIN priority in solving.
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"Now, admit that the whole purpose of this site is to bash Brazil, not to produce rational thought."

Nope, this site is great, it helps ignorant people like the one poster "discover" for the first time some of the s**t that goes on here as he sits at his churrasco drinking a brahma thinking "wow, what a great place..... oi, empragada, traga-me outra cerveja!!" LOL! It's those kinds of attitudes that allow slavery to exist here. I have to say, on my visits to the northeast of brazil, I was embarrassed at seeing the treatment that some families I met gave to their maids.

You know about the atrocities in Guatanomo Bay because the press there will climb up your ass with a microscope at the smell of impropriety. I mean, we almost impeached a president for getting a blow job, because it was done in the "peoples house". Here in brazil, they would throw a churrasco for Lula in commemoration!
Jaarreed!!
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
Jared, if you look carefully you will see that I indeed make several points. In the previous thread to which you referred I simply stated that you were a bitch, and secondly, I simply hoped for your disappearance; whether I was referring to a cinderblock ankle bracelet or just hoping you would disappear from this site - well I guess I'll just leave you in suspense.

In the previous post I also make points, and just because they are not the points you had hoped for, and more to the point, were critical of you (and do you have a gay editor who zaps unfavorable posts by the way?) doesn't mean that I failed to make points. They were twofold:

1.You have protectors who are indeed shielding you from the bite of your public's rebuttals (I'm sorry Jared, does "rebuttal" fall into that realm of “intellectual sounding words” and furthermore, does that intimidate the burgeoning writer? - oops did it again - sorry). We can't all drag this site down with sloppy writing and a less than admirable command of the English language now can we . . . ?

2. Please spare us the pseudo-intellectualism. I think that says it all. You will notice that you said this: “George Orwell, in his 1945 essay “Through a Glass, Rosily” expressed the settlement I’m looking for when writing about the use of a E.M Foster’s work by Nazi propagandists during World War II.”

Jared, surely you can see what I meant by pseudo-intellectualism. That means employing the word “settlement” where surely you meant to write “sentiment”. That is obnoxious, contrived intellectualism at its best Jared. I know you’re a lightweight but “getting strong now” since your hard hitting interview with Sousa, so I expect as much. You probably remembered reading that essay in some History class back in college and it stuck with you ever since right? You have probably been dying to make reference to that essay for years but couldn’t think of another famous quote regarding “lies” (except maybe the ubiquitous “a lie spoken loudly and often enough will eventually supplant the truth”) to save your life. The truth is you have no idea how that Orwellian essay relates to the use of your “Japanese Carnaval Girl” headline to demonstrate racism. More to the point you appear foolish and sophomoric quoting something so heavy to defend this lightweight tripe you call journalism. Yes Jared, it’s nazi Germany here on Brazzil.com and the SS propaganda police are waiting in the wings to rip you limb from limb. You are a pseudo-intellectual at best. Here is something else you said:

“I was irritated to see an article I had contributed to this site – “Brazil: New Ambassador of Bahia's Carnaval, a Japanese Girl, Ruffles Feathers" used by one of the indiscriminate Brazil bashers that invest these comment sections.

For the love of god Jared!! You want to be taken seriously as a writer but you are constantly f**king up the language be it grammatically, syntactically and your spelling is less than laudable – INVEST? Come on now!!
Mr Nasty . . .
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
Mr. Nasty? Now you've confirmed it - you are gay. Thanks for shattering any doubt I may have had. OH and if you honestly think you are thrashing anyone or anything, other than the English language, think again. I see you for the mental pygmie that you are. Because you write for some hack website with the likes of Robin Sparks does not a George Orwell make. You're just a punk bitch!!
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
One can only wonder how you got this gig Jared . . . Spit or swallow?
Re: it\'s common
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
No problem justify LIES. What happen in this site is half truth augmented so you can feel a little better about yourself.

I just showed that US is full of s**t and you want to come and tell us "what is right" ?

Who do you think you are? You piece of s**t gringo.

I don't need to justify anything, I'm just throwing at your face that your country has problems too. So all the self-righteous talk of all those gringos turns into simple bashing because of the barbarities caused by other americans just like you!

This site is a shame, and any self respeting person should not contribute to this stupidity.

You speak so much of brazilians justifying this or that, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAGAZINE IN PORTUGUESE LANGUAGE SPECIALLY MADE FOR US BASHING.

You do have one specially made for Brazil bashing in english, so you are the haters here.
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
So much stated here is false. To say that the "American Dream" is phony or to state that Brazil is not a lovely country is just false. Since I'm not a graduate of the Michael Moore School of Truth I'm only interested in facts. FACT, no country in the world is more immigrant friendly than America. If the American Dream is phony then the world has indeed become dark and I wish I could set sail and find the straight road to Valinor. But it isn't phony and I still have hope. Now, a few words for some statements above that are quite dumb. To the writer who says this is a site where "gringos" can say "racist" things, how can you call someone a gringo and then complain about them being racist? This is just dumb and I need not say more. Another writer uses the term "American Nazi". We destroyed the Nazis at a great cost to us. Calling the average amercian a nazi is just dumb. The American writer of "Se habla Espanol" seems to think America has the worst drug problem in the world. This is not just false but dumb. You cannot fool me because I have brazilian television and I have been to Brazil 4 times. The favelas of Rio are under the control of drug dealers. Violent drug dealers. Just last week the brazilian army had to invade one to reclaim their own rifles that were sold to them by a soldier. Have you ever heard of Colombia or Escobar. The american drug market is mostly non-violent and hurts the individual not the whole. To the statement above. Yes, both of our countries have problems and there is no perfect place on earth. However, I do not believe that the whole purpose of this site is to bash Brazil. Many articles on this site are pro-Brazil but Brazil does have many problems that non-portuguese speakers would never know or care about if it wasn't presented here in English.
RE: Re: it\'s common
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
Obviously that one hit home!! Hard to face the difficult realities that most like to hide in closets, especially when being presented with them by a "gringo"! Buck up son, the U.S. has people all over the world calling us on our s**t...what's a matta meu filho??? Can only dish it out in Brazil but can't take any criticism??

quote:

"This site is a shame, and any self respeting person should not contribute to this stupidity."

Well, you're contributing...that about says it all!!! So if you're self-respecting, according to you, I guess we've seen the last of your ass???
To above
written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"no country in the world is more immigrant friendly than America"

Repeat it continuously until you start believing in it.

The only thing immigrants are good in US is for gaining low wages and to work on jobs that native americas would like to do.

"To the writer who says this is a site where "gringos" can say "racist" things, how can you call someone a gringo and then complain about them being racist?"

Gringo is a generic term to anyone that's from outside. IT HAS NO RACIST CONOTATION WHATSOEVER. An american black will be a gringo here!

"Another writer uses the term "American Nazi". We destroyed the Nazis at a great cost to us."

Haha, have you taken a look at your own home? KKK? Neo nazi groups?

Wake up please.
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written by Guest, March 24, 2006
"I just showed that US is full of s**t and you want to come and tell us "what is right" ? "

How and where did the hard to discombulate dribble you wrote PROVE anything?


"Who do you think you are? You piece of s**t gringo."

So I guess that would make you a "macaco"??


"BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAGAZINE IN PORTUGUESE LANGUAGE SPECIALLY MADE FOR US BASHING."

Waaaahaaahaaaaa!!! You cry more than a 2 ye