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India-Brazil-South Africa: the US$ 1 Trillion Bumbling Gorilla PDF Print E-mail
2006 - March 2006
Written by Kaia Lai   
Saturday, 25 March 2006 18:26

Flags from India, Brazil and South Africa (IBSA)In the face of mounting pressures to develop an alternative option to globalization - one that emerges from a developing world perspective and prioritizes egalitarian advancement, technological cooperation, and an end to global marginalization of the poor nations - there has been a new push to redefine political and economic arrangements springing from Bretton Woods.

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final analysis
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
each of the three, Brazil, South Africa and India, is bleassed with abundant natural resources, mineral wealth, rich cultures, great food, awesome music, brilliant and enterprising citizens and an incredible amount of violence.

Any one of them on their own could and should be formidable contender in the world's economy. Joined together even in a loose association they could rival the US, China or Europe.

But it won't happen, and for tragic reasons. Two words: intractable favelization. Each of the three has made fatal compromises for the short term and nearsighted benefit of the rich, who need for their to be poor people in order for them to enjoy being rich (in each of these cultures having poor people as servants in an essential component, if not defining factor, in the definition of wealth).

In short, their fatal weakness is their permanent caste system, one which not only have they failed to eliminate (though each takes pride in their laws that claim to have accomplished this but which are meaningless compared to the reality), but each dollar that goes to the rich only makes the caste system more entrenched and more hopeless.

More and more the poor will be physically separated into semi-autonomous hellish favelas, de facto bantustans, and those on the other side of the gate will become also more and more isolated, trapped in their own prisons behind the gates that are there to protect them.

The situation is hopeless.
China Will Rule!
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
Because of China's lack of racial or ethnic tension it is the nation most prepared to take world dominion as early as the mid part of the 21st century.
Hmm...
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
Yeah these three all have in common an economic caste that corresponds with skins, a "pigmentocracy" (like parts of South East Asia and almost all of Latin America). I didn't know there was racial tension in Brazil, I thought was just class tension that masked it. I thought they were in denial.


They all have a ridiculous disparity, upperclasses controlling a disproportionate amount of land. and a lag in skills on the part of the masses. And they all have presidents, Lula, Mbeki, and Vajpayee that are representations of the commoner but who fail to undermine this inequality the way Chavez has in Venezuela. I don't see them having a revolution a la Zapatista, but an alliance with the three would at least stem the tide of globalization and keep the IMF from making matters worse for all of them, the poor especially.

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written by Guest, March 26, 2006
"corresponds with skins, a "pigmentocracy""

Why all gringos have skin complex?

Until when this shameful bashing site will exist?
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written by Guest, March 26, 2006
I am sorry but I think I have seen few places in the world with less egalitarian systems of government and economics, and more marginalization of the poor than Brasil, India and South Africa. While I agree that an alternative to globilization would be good, how could these countries offer it until they address these problems for their own citiziens?
Why all gringos have
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
"corresponds with skins, a "pigmentocracy""

Why all gringos have skin complex?

Until when this shameful bashing site will exist?"

Get f**ked you little a*****e. You see that and probably didn't even understand the post or the context it was used in. You are the one just waiting to pounce on someone regarding race. That begs the question - what is your problem with race? Are you one of those Brazilians who is black or mulatto but still likes to claim they are white? Brazil has every bit the racial problems any other country has. Now piss off and get back to the Britney Spears message board where you belong ok little fella.

Why all morons like you sound like cavemen when you post?
re: Why all gringos have
written by Guest, March 26, 2006
Your stupid ramblings are the finest example of the kind of crap the gringos of this site are capable if typing.

Give us a break, we don't need your nazi games in here.
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written by Guest, March 26, 2006
Wow - the "finest" example eh? I feel honored King Troglodyte! Nazi games? It must be hard to type without a brainstem huh? Now back to your Britney message board ok little Pele . . .
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written by Guest, March 26, 2006
I bet lots of folks are nazis to you aren't they? The people who don't pay when you juggle tennis balls for their entertainment na rua or the folks who get upset when you squirt their windshields with water when they ask you not to. Life is full of nazis for a Brazilian with a typical inferiority complex. No nazi games in here s**thead! lol
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written by Guest, March 26, 2006
No, usually Nazis are the ones that come to this site with "skin complex" saying that all problems Brazil have has a racial origin, and all is related to color.
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written by Guest, March 27, 2006
"Because of China's lack of racial or ethnic tension it is the nation most prepared to take world dominion as early as the mid part of the 21st century."

There are MANY different factions of Chinese! They speak over 20 different versions of their language there!

And the huge gap in the distribution of wealth, not to mention the enormous human rights problems that exist there today, will eventually result in some kind of uprising from a large percentage of their people.

You can't have a communist based gov't. philosophy, mixed with a capitalistic economy. It doesn't work, sooner or later, long before china gets to the point in competing with the U.S. on the world stage, you'll see a revolution in China. You can't become an economic, military, and educational super-power while hundreds of millions of your own people exist in slave-like conditions!
cheaper slaves elsewhere
written by Guest, March 27, 2006
well, the limting factor for a China based on absurdly cheap and occasionally unfree labour is that they can get a taste of their own medecine when, in turn, they lose those jobs to countries even more willing than China to allow its citizens to be exploited while the government concedes even greater tax advantages and looking the other way in the face of labour law violations. This is already happening as in Asia, some of those China jobs are redirected towards Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Thailand and elsewhere. After that, the jobs will go to Burma, Haiti, Bolivia, etc....
languages ????
written by Guest, March 27, 2006


But in India they have far more than 20 languages and far more differents religions than South Africa or Brazil have !!

The fact is that Brazil, India, and South Africa are all against globalization....when it implies importing goods....but on the first line of globalization when it is...to export their goods.

They have a total contradiction in their ideology like the anti neoliberalists such as Chavez, Morales, Kirchner and Lula.

It happens that they are not so anti neoliberalists as they pretend to be.

This said ALL the developing countries are dancing on top of the table....for now.....and forgetting why they had a booming economy during the last 3 years.
The reality is quite simple. Namely :
The U.S.A, decided to accept a large budget deficit, a large trade imbalance, and they put thier interests rates at the lowest rate of generations and generations.

These 3 decisions gave the most impulse to.....the Developing Countries.
And now ALL the developing countries are criticizing the USA and say that they developed because of the good decisions they took themselves.

Sorry, but this is not the case. A simple example is :
If the USA would stop accepting their trade deficit without reciprocity, to whom will the developing countries sell their goods ? to another developing country ? NOOOO because the other developing country would also have a lower growth as it would itself sell LESS to the USA....and so on !

I just remind you that
the biggest trading partners of ALL the dceveloping countries remain....the USA !!!!!

And without the USA and the EU in second place, you would ALL starve again !!!!!!!!!! China included ! This country had in 2005 an overall trade surplus of $ 100 billions but a trade surplus with the USA of $ 200 billions. That means they had a trade deficit of $ 100 billions if the USA is not included.
From where do you think this deficit came mostly from ?
From the other developing nations such as Brazil, Argentina, India, South Africa, etc etc !

This shows that when the USA will have their next economic slowdown, YOU will have your next recession, and when the USA will have their next recession, YOU will have your next DEPRESSION !

You cant hide the reality as you do. At one point in time their is an end buyer with CASH or acceptable CREDIT RATING !
You are all dependants and addicted to the growth of developed nations to maintain YOUR own economic growth.
Without them you will fail, but THEY will not fail and cllpase when you will fail and collapse.
You represent little to them BUT they represnt everything to YOU !
I understand this is not a pleasant analysis, this is simply the reality you dont take in account in your continuous critics to the developed nations !
Will you sell goods to China if they cant pay you ? And will China sell you goods when you will have no money or more precisely not enough good money.
History will repeat itself again and again.
Many times you had economic booms, and everytime you came up with the answer : this time is different, it will be sustainable.
Reality is is that everytime YOU failed just after you said this time is different....when it was not !!!!

Afterall why is the South American nations called a BOOM AND BUST ECONOMIES ????????

Simply because you are a BOOM AND BUST ECONOMIES !

By now YOU had a BOOM but you dont see yet the BUST....although you could see it coming.
Your economic growth is already....SLOWING !!!! This is just the....BEGINNING of your next BUST !
Too many CAPITALS
written by Guest, March 29, 2006
it gives a real HEADACHE to read so many CAPITALIZATIONS
Why all gringos have...Cont.
written by Guest, March 30, 2006
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Written by Guest on 2006-03-26 14:59:50
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"corresponds with skins, a "pigmentocracy""

Why all gringos have skin complex?

Until when this shameful bashing site will exist?"

Get f**ked you little a*****e. .....bla bla bla...........
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You know what, at least he can insult your gringo pimply ass in English.... The converse? I Doubt It!
WTF?
written by Guest, March 31, 2006
"corresponds with skins, a "pigmentocracy""

Why all gringos have skin complex? - sounds like a caveman here.

Until when this shameful bashing site will exist?" - barely passes for English.

Get f**ked you little a*****e. .....bla bla bla...........
"



You know what, at least he can insult your gringo pimply ass in English.... The converse? I Doubt It!

Nobody has any idea what you are talking about here f**khead. Where did you come from after 2 weeks s**t for brains?
Sorry....
written by Guest, April 05, 2006
Quote:
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Nobody has any idea what you are talking about here f**khead. Where did you come from after 2 weeks s**t for brains?
"

I was bangging your mama, sonny!

keolie

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