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How Lula Is Making Brazil into a New America and a World Power PDF Print E-mail
Written by Antônio Barros and Claudio Aragón   
Tuesday, 11 April 2006 14:00

Brazil, a New America in the TropicsMuch has been written about the world's emerging powers, from India and China to Indonesia and Brazil, but these analyses often fail to recognize the importance of key values and thought patterns in appraising the overall strength of an emerging world power. Distinguished thinkers have laid emphasis on the importance of undertaking a values analysis in order to adequately assess the vitality of a given community.

Myres MacDougal and Harold Lasswell built their analytical system around eight value categories, from power and wealth to enlightenment and well-being, and Ken Wilber focuses on color-coded value memes which assess the deep psychology behind a society's shared cultural values.

It is in appraising the shared values that underlie Brazilian business, social and political policy that we can get an accurate picture of just how real and lasting the current Brazilian renaissance really is.

We will discuss the values transformation that has slowly been
changing the face of Brazilian government policy in the last half-century or so (from Getúlio Vargas to Lula), and note striking similarities between Brazil and America, similarities that can even be said to herald the rise of an America in the Tropics.

This rise has been accompanied by a rise in important Brazilian circles of  one key value, desenvolvimentismo, or developmentalism, an emphasis on wide-ranging development that Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has made the cornerstone of his economic and social policies.

Perhaps "The Lula Doctrine" is a misleading moniker, since its core ideas date back to the Brazilian military dictatorship and an influential book on Brazilian geopolitics by General Golbery do Couto e Silva, the founder of the country's National Information Service, who, like many members of the developmentalist top brass of the Brazilian military, was educated at the US National War College.

But the link between General Golbery's focus on development and President Lula da Silva is not entirely misleading: it has been said that it was Golbery himself, in a Machiavellian move to outmaneuver the Brazilian Communist Party, who encouraged Lula to enter politics and start the Brazilian Worker's Party in 1980.

The Golbery/Lula Doctrine can best be defined as the desire to accelerate Brazilian economic and social development hand-in-hand, with an equal emphasis on both, and to use this socioeconomic development to position Brazil as a world power.

At the roots of early Brazilian Developmentalism was a hardy patriotism that sought to position Brazil as a strategic world power in the mid-term on the basis of a sound economy directed by the firm hand of the state.

Developmentalism sought to tie Brazilian economic and social development to the government-guided growth of state-owned companies in strategic industries, such as Petrobras in the oil sector, Companhia do Vale do Rio Doce in the mining sector, Embraer in the aviation sector, Embratel in the telecommunications sector and Eletrobrás in the energy generation sector, among others.

During the military dictatorship that governed the country from 1964 to 1985, Brazilian developmentalism ushered in an infrastructure building frenzy that saw railroads, nuclear and electrical power generation plants and airports go up all over Brazil.

Examples of current developmentalist Brazilian policies on the economic side of the equation include increasing investment in biodiesel, with an eye to making Brazil a leader in this sector as it grows in importance over the coming decades; a growing emphasis on oil self-sufficiency and energy independence ("biflex" and "triflex" cars, which use gas, gasoline and alcohol, are already sold in Brazil); the stated aim of achieving independence from the IMF, without withdrawing from the world financial system (a seeming paradox, as when in early 2006 the Brazilian government both celebrated its decision not to renew its IMF line of credit and sought biodiesel loans from the International Development Bank); former Brazilian Treasury Minister Palocci's quest for fiscal discipline and long-term macroeconomic stability, which President Lula has characterized as Brazil's quest to become "master of its own house," (examples of the fruits of this policy include high Brazilian currency reserves, the Brazilian government's quiet actions to steadily retire its dollar-denominated debt, and the strengthening of the local currency, the real, which achieved impressive gains on the dollar in 2005); a presidential decree eliminating taxation of foreign investors in Brazilian public debt instruments; the heavy investment in the development of the Brazilian alcohol and ethanol fuel industry, seen as a cornerstone of energy independence; and the Brazilian government's efforts to protect the pharmaceutical treasure trove in the Amazon, which range from the Projeto Rondon, which sends Brazilian university students to the Amazon to carry out mass vaccinations and collect plant samples for later study, and the SIVAM (a high-tech air vigilance system), to the recruitment in the Amazon region of Brazilians of aboriginal descent to join the armed forces.

On the social side of the developmentalist equation, examples of current Brazilian government efforts to accelerate social development include: an openness to foreign immigration, reflected in proposed revisions to Brazil's foreign immigration law which would facilitate several criteria for the granting of visas; the ProUni program which aims to educate the masses by spreading public universities to the interior of the country; a record increase in the minimum wage, which the Lula government has taken from US$ 70 to US$ 150 in 3 years; the introduction of an affirmative action policy aimed to benefit Brazilians of African descent; massive investments in infrastructure, from roads to airports; a federal program aimed at ensuring that all Brazilians have access to a computer; and the Brazilian government's actions to break patents on several medications in a bid to stem the ravages of illnesses such as AIDS, hypertension and diabetes. The Brazilian government recently initiated an ambitious program to make medicines for chronic illnesses available to all Brazilians at 10% of their current prices and even free of charge for the poorest members of society.

Like China, India, and Indonesia, the other three nations that, together with Brazil, were recently characterized by the CIA as emerging world powers in an influential public report, Brazilian governments have focused on the high-tech sector as a bulwark of economic and social development. High-tech development is a value that has guided Brazilian government policy since the military dictatorship of 1964-85.

Brazilian Internet use is growing exponentially. Orkut, a Google-owned virtual community, has over 7 million users in Brazil alone. The Brazilian government has also made the Internet an increasingly important avenue of communication with the country's 180-million strong population. More advanced in many ways than even First World countries like the US and Canada, in Brazil virtually all dealings with the government can be undertaken over the Internet.

In other high-tech areas, Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, the most profitable Latin American corporation, has long been considered a world leader in state-of-the-art technology for deep-water oil exploration and extraction. 

Among the most sophisticated technology for uranium processing was developed in Brazil. While fully compliant with international non-proliferation treaties, Brazil has been known to have a uranium-processing program for years. 

Brazil is also a major force to be reckoned with in high-tech agribusiness: it is one of the world's largest food producers, has the world's largest cattle stocks and is one of the world's leading exporters of beef, soybeans, chicken, fruits and vegetables.

In the pharmaceutical sector, Brazil has been quietly preserving and exploiting the immense genetic diversity of the Amazon rainforest for the creation of new drugs.

The Brazilian Ministry of Health has made headlines for breaking patents for expensive medications for chronic illnesses such as HIV and AIDS. Approximately one half of the persons being treated for HIV in the world are receiving treatment in Brazil.

On the international stage, this new America in the Tropics is making a bid to take on a lasting leadership role. In 2005, Brazil announced its intention to seek, along with India, China, Germany and Japan, a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

Part of this bid included Brazil's decision to send troops to lead a UN Peacekeeping mission in troubled Haiti, a first for the Brazilian armed forces. Brazil's quest for a permanent UN Security Council seat is part of a larger bid to establish itself as an emerging world power.

Parallel efforts include Brazil's leadership of the opposition to ALCA, the Free Trade Area of the Americas, its repeated challenges of US and European agricultural subsidies at the WTO, its increasing leadership role in Mercosur, the South American common market, the strategic alliances it has established with Africa, China and India and even a discreet improvement of relations with the US.

Hedging his bets, Brazilian President Lula da Silva has aggressively courted China and the Middle East and maintained good relations with Venezuela's Hugo Chávez and Cuba's Fidel Castro, the poster boys of the fight against what they term American Imperialism.

Despite these controversial ties and its tough-love relationship with the US, typified by the decision to photograph all Americans entering Brazil in response to the US Department of Homeland Security's tightening of security measures in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks, Brazil maintains a strong relationship with the US.

Evidence of this is the Brazilian government's close collaboration with US authorities in tracking the whereabouts of Al-Qaeda operatives.

On the domestic side of the new Brazilian internationalism, the Lula government has presided over an impressive increase in foreign tourism and taken key measures to attract more foreign immigrants, including reducing the minimum investment required for a foreign investor's visa from US $200,000 to US $50,000.

Brazil's moves to spread its wings abroad and become a regional pole of power are another trait it shares with the US. Just as the US spent much of the 19th and early 20th century expanding its borders and welcoming huddled masses of immigrants from all over the world, so did Brazil expand its enormous land mass and welcome such a diverse influx of immigrants that it now possesses the most diverse human genome in the world.

Indeed, the Brazilian FAPESP Genome Mapping Project is about 50% the size of the much better known Celera Genome Project, with only 5% or so of the budget! Whereas in the US most genetic mapping of plants is prohibited, no such prohibitions are in force in Brazil, thereby making genome research easier.

Like the US, Brazil is an immigrant nation, a huge ethnic melting pot whose constituent parts have fused into a robust national identity that rests on the twin pillars of deep-seated patriotism and a vibrant popular culture. 

The heady ethnic mix of the Brazilian melting pot includes over 20 million Nisseis, or Brazilians of Japanese descent, 20 million Brazilians of Arab descent, 25 million Brazilians of Italian descent, some 6 to 8 million Brazilians of Spanish descent, 6 to 8 million Brazilians of German descent, 3 to 4 million Brazilians of Polish descent, 1 million Brazilians of Russian descent, some 600 thousand Brazilian Jews, some 5 million undocumented Chinese and Koreans and several million  Latin Americans in bordering countries who from time to time cross into Brazil to live and work.

Thrown into this dizzying mix is the fact that over half of all Brazilians are of Portuguese descent. Of equal importance is Brazil's African and aboriginal heritage. While there are only about 300 to 500 thousand Brazilian aboriginal Indians, at least 30% of Brazilians can trace their family tree back to aboriginals at some point.

Moreover, some 15% of Brazilians are blacks of African heritage and a further 25% of Brazilians are of mixed African descent. Needless to say, all of these figures are approximations at best: Brazil is above all a tremendous racial mixture in which it is often difficult to separate out neat percentages of ethnic origin.

Like ethnic Americans in the 20th century (less so now that Mexican Americans have resisted assimilationist pressures), ethnic Brazilians are first and foremost Brazilians. That is, they assimilate and merge into the robust Brazilian national identity, which, like American exceptionalism, is built on strong cultural symbols, an enduring strain of patriotism and a vibrant popular culture. 

Brazil's cultural symbols are known the world over: samba and other African-influenced musical and dance forms, futebol, or soccer, the Carnaval, beach culture and popular music from cool bossa nova to swinging axé music.

In recent years, Brazilian governments at the federal, state and municipal levels have taken measures to strengthen and preserve these symbols, from the establishment of the City of Samba (Cidade do Samba) and Carnaval University (Universidade do Carnaval, a sort of professional school for Carnaval-related careers) in Rio de Janeiro to Culture Minister and pop culture icon Gilberto Gil's official declaration that samba and other cultural expressions are part of Brazil's intangible cultural patrimony.

Brazil's robust popular culture and potent symbols of national identity go hand in hand with the ufanismo phenomenon, a sort of unreasoning, exaggerated, grandiose exaltation of all things Brazilian that runs strong and deep in Brazilian culture.

Brazil could not be characterized as a new America in the Tropics if it were not for the centralization of power in the Federal Government. Brazil is an apparent federation, but even more so than in the US, the Federal Government holds tremendous sway.

This centralization, essential for the decisive program of action set forth in the developmentalist Lula Doctrine, was bolstered by 20 years of military dictatorship from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s. The period of the dictatorship did much to implant an acceptance of a strong central government in the Brazilian collective unconscious.

Anecdotally, it is hard to find a Brazilian who, even now, 20 years after the demise of the military dictatorship, is willing to go out into the street without his national ID card, for fear of being arrested.

This centralization is as real as it is apparent: any Brazilian who owes money to the Federal Treasury (whose broad-reaching powers the Lula government has just expanded by creating the Super-Receita, or Super Treasury Ministry), may not sell any good or service, no matter how small, to the Brazilian government, for, in a stunning show of efficient and quick centralization of information, his Taxpayer ID will give him away in an instant as a tax debtor. 

Another very public show of the Brazilian  ease in processing and centralizing information are general elections: voters cast their ballots electronically using numerical codes and the results of each polling station are available minutes after polls close in the form of what looks like an ATM print out!

This centralization has a little-known military side: while hidden from public view, the Brazilian Military continues to exert a quiet influence in everyday affairs, as witnessed by President Lula's unwillingness to go the route of Argentine President Nelson Kirchner and investigate past abuses by the armed forces.

Needless to say, Brazil still faces enormous hurdles in its quest to morph into a First World economic powerhouse. Government corruption is still rife: José Dirceu, Luiz Gushiken and Antônio Palocci, the triumvirate that guided Lula to power, have all fallen by the wayside in high-profile corruption scandals.

There is an immense bureaucratization in Brazilian life, which is lubricated by corruption, and although Lula has been decisive in firing even his closest comrades when accusations of corruption have reached critical mass, he may yet fall victim to his own peccadilloes and oversights.

It is common knowledge that his son has benefited in the past from generous sponsorship deals from high-profile Brazilian corporations, and it may yet be that corruption scandals in Lula's own household may topple him before elections take place or at the polls in October 2006.

His main rival, former São Paulo governor Geraldo Alckmin, has skeletons of his own to deal with: it appears that he may have influenced a state-owned bank to channel advertising money and sponsorships to favorable media outlets. 

Lula's own Worker's Party (PT) seems in many ways at variance with his unorthodox governance style, which blends grandiose New Deal-style social initiatives with technocratic fiscal conservatism and Realpolitik geo-strategic positioning.

There is a lack of professionalism evident in many quarters of Lula's party, as witnessed by the poor results of the much-ballyhooed PT government in Brazil's largest city, São Paulo, headed by Marta Suplicy, who in 2004 went down to defeat to former Lula rival, José Serra.

Other Achilles' heels of this new America in the Tropics include the drug trade, which has de facto carved out of Brazil a series of unassailable fiefdoms, including parts of the Southern states of Rio de Janeiro and Espírito Santo, which drug traffickers rule unchallenged.

The Brazilian financial system is still victim to stark imbalances: the country's banks, among the world's most profitable financial institutions, charge among the highest interest rates in the world and the cost of capital is still prohibitive for most small- and mid-sized companies.

While Brazilian bureaucracy and corruption are weaknesses that the country must overcome, they also hide the true size and strength of this emerging economic power: analysts claim that anywhere from 40 to 70% of Brazilian economic activity takes place in the so-called "gray market," thus rendering the true Brazilian GNP much larger than currently estimated, without taking into consideration the purchasing power of the Brazilian real vis-à-vis the US dollar.

Although the real Brazilian GDP may be less than the US GDP in dollar terms, in terms of what that Brazilian GDP can buy within Brazil as opposed to what the US GDP can buy within the US, the difference may be much smaller than previously imagined.

Under the Lula Doctrine of tying economic to social development at
home and using this socioeconomic development as a springboard for
geo-strategic positioning abroad, Brazil is fast evolving into a new America in the Tropics.

Culturally, Brazilians are becoming better educated and more litigious, are leveraging their enormous entrepreneurial creativity, and are basking in a newfound patriotism, which has manifested itself everywhere from the declarations of Culture Minister Gilberto Gil celebrating the country's popular culture as an intangible national patrimony to President Lula's repeated public declarations commemorating Brazil's achievement of energy self-sufficiency and his government's decision not to renew its IMF line of credit.

Socially, the Brazilian government is working overtime to spawn a well-educated, computer-literate middle class that can compete with the world and to lessen the disparities of wealth with massive social programs aimed at the redistribution of wealth.

On the geo-strategic chessboard, Brazil is positioning itself as a world power, leveraging its growing oil and natural gas reserves, developing the energy sources of the future (ethanol and biodiesel), angling for a greater role in international affairs (including a permanent seat on the UN Security Council), taking a leadership role in South America and positioning itself in key industries such as agribusiness and pharmaceuticals.

It is true that the 2005 growth of the Brazilian GNP (2.3%) was disappointing, but the real story is the values transformation that is taking hold in Brazilian government policy: the Lula Doctrine, and its pillars of developmentalism and strategic internationalization, are fast positioning Brazil as the number two power in the Western Hemisphere, a veritable new America in the Tropics.

Antônio Barros heads a boutique legal and translation firm in Rio de Janeiro. A graduate of Cândido Mendes University law school, he has been advising foreigners in Brazil and Brazilians abroad for decades. His clients include private individuals, NGOs and multinational companies. He can be reached at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Claudio Aragón is a lawyer by profession and a social entrepreneur by vocation. A graduate of Yale Law School, he currently resides in Mexico City, but spends as much time as he can in Brazil, where he shares several ongoing projects with Mr. Barros. He can be reached at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
Well, was quite an article, I had to put on my sunglasses after the first couple of paragraphs to atone for the rose-colored ones these authors used. Let's take some of these statements one by one.


"a record increase in the minimum wage, which the Lula government has taken from US$ 70 to US$ 150 in 3 years"

Well now, why didn't you put that value in REAIS??? Why the dollar? Because 3 years ago the dollar was anwhere from a 3-1 up to 4-1 exchange rate. Today it is down to 2.15 to 1. So, this increase certainly didn't double the minimum wage. But, with one of the WORLDS lowest minimum wages, one doesn't have to make much of an increase for it to be perceived as significant. 3 years ago the minimum wage in brazil was 240 reais per month, today it is 300 reais per month and supposedly increasing to 350 reais per month shortly. But our authors found it more advantageous to put it in dollar terms, since it looks better given the devaluation of the dollar.


"massive investments in infrastructure, from roads to airports"

And let me tell you, Brazil NEEDS MORE MASSIVE investments in infrastructure, in particular highways. They are dreadful and must account for a large percentage of auto deaths in brazil every year, which is a world leader in this category.



"and the Brazilian government's actions to break patents on several medications in a bid to stem the ravages of illnesses such as AIDS, hypertension and diabetes."

That was putting it very NICELY. "Break patents", what you meant to say is brazil STOLE the formulas, and basically gave the finger to the big drug manufacturers, and hey, I'm not crazy about those guys either, BUT, they do spend BILLIONS every year in research and development, and it is because of this we have cures for many of the diseases we have today. Not mentioning the fact that it is ILLEGAL, Brazil broke international law when they did this. So, basically, the brunt of the monies that these drug co's. make for R&D is on the shoulders of people in the U.S. Have you ever seen the prices for prescription drugs there??? If you don't have PRESCRIPTION insurance and you're seriously sick.....you're in serious trouble.



"Among the most sophisticated technology for uranium processing was developed in Brazil. While fully compliant with international non-proliferation treaties, Brazil has been known to have a uranium-processing program for years."

This is yet another, "100% brasieiro" project that it's principle components were stolen from French and German technology, and this is well known, and also claimed by the CIA.



"On the international stage, this new America in the Tropics is making a bid to take on a lasting leadership role. In 2005, Brazil announced its intention to seek, along with India, China, Germany and Japan, a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. "


First of all, China IS a permanent member of the security council, they don't need to seek it. There are 5 members, permanent members, the U.S., U.K., France, Russia, and China.

ANYONE can SEEK a permanent chair on the security council, obtaining one is another story. I wouldn't put too much stock on this if I were anyone, I believe Vegas currently has the odds at around 10 million to 1, so it might be worth a couple bucks if you're taking a vacation there.

"This centralization, essential for the decisive program of action set forth in the developmentalist Lula Doctrine, was bolstered by 20 years of military dictatorship from the mid-1960s to the mid-1980s. The period of the dictatorship did much to implant an acceptance of a strong central government in the Brazilian collective unconscious."

EXACTLY, and it's this "unconscious" behavior that prevents brazilian society from taking great strides, it prevents those with the ability to "speak out" and take "action" against this "cancer of corruption".

"Anecdotally, it is hard to find a Brazilian who, even now, 20 years after the demise of the military dictatorship, is willing to go out into the street without his national ID card, for fear of being arrested."

I would say that's a little dramatic, but I get your point, and the fact that it directly effects MOST in truly deciding to do something against the blatently corrupt. They still remember the "days of the dictator" and those that are in comfortable situations wouldn't risk them for all the tea in China.

"The Brazilian financial system is still victim to stark imbalances: the country's banks, among the world's most profitable financial institutions, charge among the highest interest rates in the world and the cost of capital is still prohibitive for most small- and mid-sized companies."

Just to set the record straight, Brazil has THE HIGHEST INTEREST RATES IN THE WORLD!

"Brazilian Internet use is growing exponentially. Orkut, a Google-owned virtual community, has over 7 million users in Brazil alone. The Brazilian government has also made the Internet an increasingly important avenue of communication with the country's 180-million strong population. More advanced in many ways than even First World countries like the US and Canada, in Brazil virtually all dealings with the government can be undertaken over the Internet."

This is definitely looking through rose-colored glasses. You absolutely cannot compare the technology in brazil, in quality nor price, with the U.S. and in most other first world countries. Firstly technology here is at least DOUBLE the price as it is in the states, and for SOME products as much as TEN times the price...and the average brazilian makes around 1/6 of the average american. So, you have inferior products, and technology that are MUCH more expensive. In the greater part of brazil, with possible exceptions in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, you cannot even get a CONSISTANT broad band connection. They are "problem laden", matter of fact, my very own connection in the last 3 weeks has went down, not only for me, but my entire city, THREE days within the last 3 weeks and EVERY DAY since monday of last week, for the last 9 days, throughout the day I'm receiving less than 100k/s and I'm paying for 1 MEG! But this is "normal" here, I've been living off and on here for 10 years, and it is a non-stop battle. Nearly all electronics, and matter of fact, it may be all, are imported, the prices on electronics are ridiculous. A plasma tv that you can buy in the states for $1,300 and a top of the line brand, you will pay 10,000 reais or more in brazil, and it will be a "no name" brand, or one of inferior quality.


"Although the real Brazilian GDP may be less than the US GDP in dollar terms, in terms of what that Brazilian GDP can buy within Brazil as opposed to what the US GDP can buy within the US, the difference may be much smaller than previously imagined."

Well, broad statement, need to be more specific, but first of all, the quoted brazilian GNP is around 600 Billion dollars, and that's taking into accont the weak dollar, the U.S. GNP is 12 TRILLION, 1/3 of the worlds GNP, and approximately 20 times that of brazil. Not to mention the fact, as I previously stated in respect to electronics, there are MANY items here in brazil that are MUCH more expensive than in the U.S. Take cars for example. If one has a honda civic here he's considered upper-middle class, if one has a honda civic in the states it's normally your son's or daughter's.A honda civic here in brazil today is right around 45,000 reais, you can buy them up to 52,000 reais, which is around 21-25 thousand dollars. You can pick up a honda civic in the states for 14K US, and then there's the situation with financing....should we even get into that?? In the states you have deals where you pay 0% interest for 60 months, and don't make your first payment until the 13th month!!

In brazil you're lucky to get a car loan for under 4% per MONTH.

"Socially, the Brazilian government is working overtime to spawn a well-educated, computer-literate middle class that can compete with the world and to lessen the disparities of wealth with massive social programs aimed at the redistribution of wealth."

Well, a hurculean effort will be required, no doubt. The problem is, brazil has MANY "programs", many "laws", and you ALWAYS here the same rhetoric, "well, we have a program in place", or, "we have a law about that, the problem is implementation!"

"It is true that the 2005 growth of the Brazilian GNP (2.3%) was disappointing"

Yes, it certainly was, considering the fact that the rest of the world grew on the average of 4%, so the entire world grew, and so did brazil, but it certainly didn't take advantage of the favorable economic atmosphere, didn't even make "par". But everyone knows, that when the "bust" comes, NO ONE misses that, you can reduce it, or it won't be as bad, but no one misses the "busts", brazil unfortunately missed the "boom".


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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
You know I liked the good doctor's article but I also appreciate it when someone comes in and levels the playing field a bit so to speak. I think it is good to hype Brazil a little bit but this guy sounds a bit too much like Ms. Sparks saying everything is coming up roses. I particularly liked the point about the euphemistically phrased "patent busting" - translation - stealing drug recipes from big pharmies. I agree, I am no friend of big pharmies but Brazil is breaking international law - period. And the US is flipping the bill!!
Look who\'s talking...
written by Guest, April 11, 2006
Only U.S. has the divine right to break international law. Only that they broke it to invade and kill. Brazil broke it to save lives...
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written by Guest, April 11, 2006
Too bad Brazil has to steal to save the lives of HIV positive citizens but still can't manage to save the lives of the tens of thousands who are murdered by guns every year - the world leader in fact. What's going on down there SOY AND BEEF KING, AND NOW, SPACE SUPERPOWER?? Want to cast stones, be prepared to have them cast back when you live in glass houses. Oh and in the sense you are talking about, Brazil broke international law long before the US invaded Iraq.

See little fella Everybody in the world attacks the USA NO HOLDS BARRED - attacks from foreigners like you and from internally by citizens like me. Brazil loves to attack the US but cannot handle a little constructive criticism when it's their turn in the barrel. The US and Americans endure criticism and discrimination on a daily basis - I should know. Poor little Brazilians crying foul when someone has something less than wonderful to say about the new "America in the Tropics". Grow up sonny boy! I never voted for Bush. I hate the man and everything he stands for and have little in common with many of my fellow Americans but that doesn't stop me from hearing all kinds of ridiculous, hateful, discriminatory bulls**t from people all over the world and especially on this site. Buck up little guy and grow some thicker skin!!!
Some chaos from Order...
written by Guest, April 11, 2006
Although I think also that there was some possible exaggeration expressed by the authors, we have to admit that Brazil is doing very well here and there.

Of course, we do have many problems and the anti-Brazilian individuals here in this site would make sure to remind us every time they access this site and write something.

Those anti-Brazilians individuals repeat themselves over and over again, like a mantra, about our problems. I wonder if they have anything else to care about in their lives. They must have pretty boring lives, indeed!

So, if you do not have anything else to add that is original please go to some other web site that talks about the problems of your own country. I believe every country in the world has some s**t things to show unless you consider our s**t better.

A Brazilian
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Tudo o mundo, enfia o dedo no cu e cheira!
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
I call bulls**t on a lot of the statistics in this article. 20 million people of Nissei descent? GET REAL ! Even if you count everybody with 1/4 Jap blood and up, there would probably be no more than 2 - 3 million. TOPS! With glaring errors like those, how can you believe anything else written there?
Also, he brings in a lot of extraneous stuff that doesn't make sense in relation to the topic of the article. Why?
Other than that, a very good article.
billstein
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Wow! Lula has hired different spinners to do the tricks! how much are you getting for this job? whatever the amount you are getting it is coming out of our (taxpayers) pockets! The comparison to Golbery´s, is it to cuddle the military who hava an eye on Lula´s curruption scheme?
Shame on you!
re: look who\'s talking
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"Only U.S. has the divine right to break international law. Only that they broke it to invade and kill. Brazil broke it to save lives... "


You know, the same arguement could be made for the U.S. and against brazil. In the U.S. there are MANY that claim that the war there is for the better good of the Iraqi people, that Hussein is gone, a known supressor of human rights and indulged in the torture and mass murder of his own people. Many say that in the long run, U.S. intervention is going to SAVE lives.


Also could be said that brazil's breaking of international law and justification of supposedly "saving lives", it could be said because they are cheating the very companies out of their deserved and legally entitled profits that they will have less money to spend on research and development and therefore may not come up with cures for other diseases, or it will prolong the process, hence killing many.

But you see brazil always has been a country of low morality, their helping their own people so f**k eveyone else, regardless of the situation, and of course, americans themselves feel this brunt of this first hand in the prices they pay for prescription drugs, the burdened is carried by them, so that others may benefit, and in the case of brazil, simply steal the formula, why not, stealing and "enrolar" are very common and accepted brazilian characteristics.
Anti brasil?
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
I know there are occationally rude comments expressed by many people here, but I hope the brasileiros will remember that people come to this site because they are interested in Brasil. If we were really anti-Brasil, we wouldn't waste our time.
to the post above
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
My friend

They come here to to make negative propaganda about Brazil.

For a person to waist so much time writing so much bad things about Brazil is because they have a Negative propaganda Agenda


Pay Attention

Everytime you have someone writing something good about Brazil you have these propaganda people making full comment about the Bad side of Brazil.

Is just 101 negative propaganda


Any day now
written by jaredmgo, April 12, 2006
The first requirement of anyone engaging in an intellectual/policy debate is that he or she be able to give a proper account of the opposing positions. In this piece that authors act as if they have stumbled across some long undiscovered land “America in the Topics” and fail to recognize that they are trending over some of the most discussed issues in contemporary Brazilian politics. They have intellectual blinders on and only pay attention to the friendly data.

The Brazilian economy is not growing (unlike those of China, India, and Indonesia) and without growth, you cannot have development, or the increased political and economic power that come with it. Yes, the debt is down, Bolsa Famila, Bola Escola and ProUni are good programs – but no long-term development is possible until the Brazilian economy starts picking up pace and adding jobs.

Lula knows this. In nearly every speech he gives on economy policy he uses the words “growth”, “jobs” and “sustainability”. He argues that real growth is just around the corner, just about to begin... any day now.

Funny how these authors wrote over 3,000 words, but couldn’t manage to use the terms “jobs” or “employment” once. Such willful blindness is the sure sign of an intellectual hack, a deluded patriot, or a leftist trying to salvage some lost idealism. I used to be the later.

Excuse me; I’m going to go back to waiting for the economy to start growing. Wake me up when it starts.
Brazilian dialectic
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Brazilian dialectic (actually one can hardly qualify it as a dialectic in this instance), this is your introduction.

The first premise is that some blow hard with an inflated CV, who usually studied at an American University mind you, comes in here trumpeting the wonders and altogether spectacular nature of the tropical paradise called Brazil. Invariably he or she will focus on a singular topic like Bio-fuel or Brazil’s newfound status as “space superpower” and herald it as if Brazil alone invented bio-fuel or space flight while the rest of the world stood by awestruck at the scientific and industrial capacity of the new “America of the Tropics”. Oh by the way – before you go jumping up and down, gloating about Brazil’s “supernatural” ability to produce ethanol, thank nature’s abundance for blessing you with a climate suitable for sugar cane but don’t think for one minute that American universities weren’t tinkering with ethanol while Brazilian industrial science was in its infancy. Unfortunately oil barons and other nefarious business interests whose main preoccupation for the last 30 years has been keeping bio-fuels off the market have dominated our own greedy country.

Second premise: Brazil is the most powerful country in the world!! With its 180 million inhabitants, a full 20% of who are illiterate, and an even greater number who are hungry, Brazil manages to surpass all expectations and exports 400 trillion tons of soy and beef each day!!

Third Premise: Brazilians take credit or at least partial credit for every single scientific development of the last 2 centuries. Yes Brazil did build the Opportunity and Spirit Probes currently circling Mars. Yes Brazil did build the first internal combustion engine (little known secret) and yes Brazil has already perfected nuclear fission using coconuts which will offer free power to the world for the next 5 billion years thanks to the kind and generous nature of HIS MAJESTY LULA! All may genuflect now! Brazil also invented the telephone, the computer and Nike Air-Shox shoes.

Fourth Premise: Any and all criminal conduct by Brazilian leaders is promptly ignored and swept under the rug. Any politicians with $250,000 dollars stuffed down their pants while attempting to pass through customs are subjected to the focused anger of the average Brazilian male for approximately 1.8 seconds soon thereafter returning to his favorite pastime - stopping dead in his tracks to stare at the bunda of each and every woman who passes them on the street OR playing soccer on the beach. Women will be incensed for approximately 2.3 seconds after which time they will go have a facelift and promptly plop themselves down on the beach and forget that their whole government is corrupt, inept and incapable of doing anything right.

Fifth Premise: Anyone attempting to disagree with the assertions or claims of the author or any Brazilian poster will be subject to labels like NAZI, GRINGO SCUM, IGNORANT BASTARD or worse. Any Brazilian by contrast is inherently correct and furthermore is a natural born expert on the American way of life despite never having set foot in the country, unless it was to go on a package trip to Disneyworld. If any poster HAS been to America it was to make a living wage and support their families back home. Brazilians send approximately 6 billion back home to their families each year but waste no time back-stabbing that same country that put food in the mouths of their children. Then they will turn around and criticize the capitalist system and all it stands for after they have parasitically fed off it for enough time so as to have amassed enough money to go back to Brazil, never having contributed anything to the American economy themselves. They will not consider this being hypocritical in any sense. These are the rules of engaging a Brazilian.

Sixth Premise: They will take every single criticism of their country and turn it into a debate over the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. Forget that the article was about something entirely unrelated to the war in Iraq, it will invariably turn in that direction as many Brazilian posters, knowing they are in a losing situation, will turn to the lowest common denominator. “Well at least we aren’t slaughtering women and children in Iraq” as if you and I were personally manning an M-60 machine gun, blasting away at whomever we please. They will assume that all Americans adore Bushco and that we love to see women and children die. They will never stick to the argument at hand, but rather question your personal integrity because your illegally elected leader made some disastrous decisions. BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU TO CRITICIZE HIS MAJESTY – LULA!!!! He is a good, upstanding honest man from the Northeast who never had any knowledge of mensalao – perish the thought. Your leaders and country are susceptible to attack on every front but Brazil has nothing but people so happy they smile with their a*****es. Everything is wonderful. There is no hunger, slavery, child prostitution or government corruption. Of course your country demonstrates all these things and worse but Brazil is squeaky clean with streets paved in gold.
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Brazil: Polls Show Lula Remains Untouched by Scandals over His Aides

I rest my case. Just look at the indignation Brazilians feel for a man who ran on a campaign of "no more coruuption" but who clearly helped his buddies steal millions from the Brazilian people . . . Of course no Brazilian actually thinks he knew anything about it but that's the happy, shiny Brazilian optimism we all know and love.

Sorry for the interruption - Now back to focusing attention on the war in Iraq
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"but no long-term development is possible until the Brazilian economy starts picking up pace and adding jobs. "

What? The government have created millions of jobs.

If it could be more, it doesn't matter, but they did!
You, GET REAL!
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"I call bulls**t on a lot of the statistics in this article. 20 million people of Nissei descent? GET REAL ! Even if you count everybody with 1/4 Jap blood and up, there would probably be no more than 2 - 3 million. TOPS"

Do you live in some God forsaken place in the northeast and think you know everything about Brazil there's to know about?

Sao Paulo has the greatest population of japanese descendents outside Japan.

I already worked in a company where about 70% of all employees were japanese descendents.
MIsunderstanding !
written by Guest, April 12, 2006

Those here who criticize Brazil, dont criticize Brazil Society.
They criticize those who govern(ed) the country.
They are the ones who mismanaged the country at the expense of the Brazilian Society.
The Brazilian Society has been robbed every day for the last century by the 20'000 or so families
controlling and owning the country for their own benefits.
For further reference on that subject, everyone can just scroll down this same site, and read the articles written by Christovam Buarque,
Ex State governor, Ex Senator, Ex Minisiter of Education, and declared candidate for your Presidential Election.
His many articles are on the same subjects and same accusations of the forum members who criticize your actual government.

Why do Brazilian forum Members blinded when critics come from a foreigner member and not so much when it comes from a Brazilian ?
Patriotism, ego, nationalism is fine, but at the end you get facts, numbers, ratings, rankings, objectively done by International Agencies AND Brazilian Agencies. Just read also the comments from opposition parties on the actual government policies. They are not
nicer than the critics of foreign forum members. Anyone can also read what your businessmen are saying against this government. It is not flattering at all.
FIESP President, a 8 or 10 months ago even said that the actual policies are lamentable and miserable (his own words). Anyone can find it out, this was in an article on this same site.

Finally it seems to me that the above article is just a propaganda paid by Caïxa2 of the PT party in view of the next elections.
The reality being that all brazilian farmers are struggling, they produce at a loss their soya and beef.
Not later than yesterday Lula and announced a large US$ 7 billion government "help" to farmers. I guess that such an amount is not due because things are as rosy as reported in the above article. Brazil (with other S.A. countries) also asked à US$ 100 million loan from IADB to eradict cattle FMD. If things are so profitable, why cant the government afford such an amount for the well being of your exports ? Knowing especially that this amount will be divided by several countries and during 3 years. It means that Brazil share is most probably 30 % or so. Is Brazil so cash strapped while having $ 60 billion in currency reserves and even bought back some $ debts ?

Can no one see that something doesnt match ?????
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
I'll tell you what doesn't match . . .
This is an election year and Lula is out wasting money on highly public projects to spring his worthless ass back into office for another 4 years os lying, cheating and stealing. The money you are making in exports is being used to pay down SOME external debt but internal debt is another story. Bolsa this and bolsa that all cost money. New construction on roads and sending the first Brazilian to orbit have come at a great cost to the internal budget. You are still spending money you don't really have. That is what doesn't match my friend. Was it really worth the 50 million Lula allocated to send an astronaut into space to study insects? That goes for all countries - not just Brazil.
How many positive propagandas.....
written by Guest, April 12, 2006



have been written by Brazilians readers ....on this site ???

Are you not totally anti FTA for your imports and totally FTA for your exports ?

Strange conception !
Isnt it ?
With whom do you make your biggest trade surplus ? With the country you hate the most. Strange inst it ?
What should this country do with you ?
In my view they should tell you to go to hell ! they dont need you but you need them to sell your goods !

And it is the same for the EU, giving you your second biggest trade surplus. They are number 2 on your list of most hatred countries.

Strange conception !

ISNT IT !

These 2 most hatred countries/regions give you 50 % of your overall trade surplus.

dont you realize yet, that they did not wait for you to develop but that without them as your biggest buyers you will just go to the starting block ?

You may then sell your goods to Angola, Cape Verde and all the Portuguese language countries. You will also have to negotiate with them for the payments of your goods. Probably not in cash....I bet !
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"Those here who criticize Brazil, dont criticize Brazil Society."

No, those who criticize Brazil speak as if their home countries were corruption free paradises without any problems at all, and there's such a lack of problems they must speak compulsively about others problems.

I'm not against critics, but this site is made for negative propaganda.

If anyone posted any article in similar terms, but instead of citing the good things it said ONLY THE BAD THINGS, there would be a lot of Nazis around clapping their hands in approval.
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
The only reason there appears to be so many critics amongst the posters here is that enough of us live in Brazil or have lived there long enough to recognize a PR fluff job when we read one. More and more often the authors of these articles resemble Ms. Sparks - remember her. I have lived in Brazil and have a love/hate relationship with Brazil as do many readers. I also have a love/hate relationship with my own country but the difference is my country, the USA, receieves plenty of media scrutiny and crticism. Maybe we as Americans have grown thicker skin but Brazil just can't stand to hear the other side of the story that is all too often omitted for the sake of glamorizing Brazil. Most of us know there is a darker side to the McArticles written here and want the readers to know the whole truth. I spend a lot of my time on other message boards decrying the abhorrent behavior of my own president and the generally brain-dead population of Americans who think everything is still hunky dory. Why can't Brazilians do the same and accept a little criticism from a country that has already been through much of what you are headed for with your new and improved super export and SUPER CONSUMER status?
Furthermore......
written by Guest, April 12, 2006

Brazil government is against the FTAA, but is negotiating a FTA with the EU.
They are craving, begging to have it signed and at the same time have harsh critics on them !
I bet.....the EU is expecting another attitude and other change in social and edconomic policies from the Brazilian leaders before signing.
The EU has been enlarged with several ppors Eastern Europeans countries.
We help them, but they know they have to play by the EU rules in social inclusion, tax collection,basic and high investment in education, positive economic developments, infrastructure.

It happens that these countries are developing at over twice the rate of Brazil.
Asian countries too, grew at over twice the rate of Brazil.
Most Latam, S.A. and Caribeans
countries are also developing at a much faster rate than Brazil.
It happens that Brazil grew only slighlty better than Haïti.

Brazil, wake up, stand up, it is time for A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER NOT THE WORSE !!!!

You have been taken for a ride for 1 century by your governing leaders and your minority elite. You have been brainwashed by them since then. Their policies should have protected you and not themselves.
Bad media
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"the USA, receieves plenty of media scrutiny and crticism"

I seriously doubt it. Brazil's own media bashes Brazil mercilessly, not to mention the foreign media that only talks about the bad things.

Not only Brazil, but every single developing nation is bashed by the media.

And you buy this crap and believe in it.
Over generalization, tool of the idiots
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"It happens that these countries are developing at over twice the rate of Brazil."

Your over generalization of matters is disturbing. This piece of data may work in the opposition political campaign this year, BUT ANY BRAZILIAN IS WELL AWARE OF THE ECONOMIC STABILITY WE HAVE LIVED FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.

Although it's not enough to be perfect, but I wouldn't bash it so easily. It has its merits.

Now go on with your sophisms trying to get some more applause from the Nazi audience in this site.
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Hey Gringo Monkeys

I'm standing here behind you with a coconut stuck up my ass waiting for you to milk it
Down with Butcher Bush

Sorry everyone I was just trying to get the drop on that f**king retard Keol . . . He was sure to be in here sooner or later!
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
quote:


"Your over generalization of matters is disturbing. This piece of data may work in the opposition political campaign this year, BUT ANY BRAZILIAN IS WELL AWARE OF THE ECONOMIC STABILITY WE HAVE LIVED FOR MORE THAN A DECADE."


Economic stability for over a decade???That's what one would think that doesn't know any better. Inflation well over 10% in many years, the real fluctuating in the world market anywhere from 20% to 75%, that's what has happened in the last 10 years....you call that stability??

The reason you call it so is because to YOU it is stability, to the rest of the world, at least the first world, it's insane.

I am also an american, and living in brazil for the last 10 years, own a business, have brazilian family, etc. These "pieces" that try and paint brazil, as the author in this article describes, as a "new america in the tropics", are absurd at best, talking about permanent seats on the UN security council, how brazil has uranium processing plants that are "100% brasileiro", which is bulls**t by the way, choosing to look at only the positives, but not at reality.

Until the grave problems in wealth distribution are addressed, education principally, infrastructure throughout the country, and other BASIC fundamental problems, brazil will NEVER be a power to be reckoned with. I'm not stating this because I like it, I'm stating this because it's reality!

But there are a segment of brazilian population, in particular the ruling factions, that just LOVE these pieces, they want everyone to be PROUD of brazil, to look past the little problems like starvation, wealth distribution inequality, one of the lowest minimum wages on the planet, slave labor, 2nd in the world in numbers of prostitutes, #1 in the world in hate crimes and murder against gays, world leader in murder and crime and corruption, police corruption and brutality, drug cartels controlling major metropolitan cities.....let's just forget all that, let's look at our ethanol production....world leader, let's look at the fact that we just sent a man to outerspace, let's look at the fact that we're having record surpluses in trade, etc, etc, etc.

I mean come on guys, I feel quite sure, that there are MANY here that aren't brazilian, that would LOVE to see, and not only love, but have an INTEREST in seeing brazil move forward, improve, gain wealth and respectability. But the fact remains that the very SYSTEM that is in place here in brazil is one of corruption, if you're a newly elected politician, you either participate in the system or else. If you plan on trying to change it, well, you'll disappear, plain and simple.

Here's my opinion on Lula, I really think that the guy is an honest guy, with all due respect, he's too stupid to have a plan of corruption as what has taken place and think he'd get away with it. I think the guy had the best of intentions, but then he got elected, now he's in the "hot seat", then shortly after he discovers the "system" that he has to participate in, and he either participates, or tries to change the system, something that no one is going to do without blood being shed. He had to play along and attempt to do what he thought was right, as much as he could, along the way. Doesn't excuse what has happened, doesn't excuse the fact that he more than likely damn well knew what all these aides and self-appointed ministers were doing in the name of the very party he represents.

In summation, brazil is at a minimum, 5 generations from becoming a "power to be reckoned with", or even, for the first world countries, a country to be taken seriously. Until brazil can clean up this mess it has at home, it's certainly not going to be able to dictate on a world level.

On the other hand...
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Self-sufficient in fuel; #1 exporter of livestock (and soon to be in soybeans and much more); #4 exporter of airplanes; 15% of the fresh H2O in the planet; larger than continental US with less than half of its pop.; any 100 yards of the Amazon has more bio-diversity that the whole of North America; plus a vibrant, happy, friendly & fit people; the best chicks anywhere. In summary, let them open their traps and let their sewage spill roll out. We live in the tropics!
They hid in their tornado bunkers after shoveling snow and cleaning mudslides. They got to be bitter...(hurricane season about to start...focus your efforts in cleaning the New Orleans s**thole! Tchau babacas!)
ace
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
e sempre a mesma discussao, quem que inventou o aviao ?
Flip side . .
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Self-sufficient in fuel; #1 exporter of livestock (and soon to be in soybeans and much more); #4 exporter of airplanes; 15% of the fresh H2O in the planet; larger than continental US with less than half of its pop.; any 100 yards of the Amazon has more bio-diversity that the whole of North America; plus a vibrant, happy, friendly & fit people; the best chicks anywhere. In summary, let them open their traps and let their sewage spill roll out. We live in the tropics!
They hid in their tornado bunkers after shoveling snow and cleaning mudslides. They got to be bitter...(hurricane season about to start...focus your efforts in cleaning the New Orleans s**thole! Tchau babacas!)

Now for the flip side:

Highest murder rate in the world by guns. One of the highest rates of child prostitution in the world. Millions upon millions living in favelas and utter poverty. Millions going to bed hungry. 80% literacy rate compared to 95-100% in the rest of the modern world. Highest traffic fatality ratein the world and fewer and fewer kids attending school each year - not more!! Embraer airplanes have the highest rate of mechanical failure of any in the world. Yes we do have to dig out from our snowstorms - god bless America for having the wonderful stuff. And unfortunately for your ignorant Brazilian ass, you will never see it in your lifetime because you will be busy picking up aluminum cans off the beach. We also charge Brazilians $100 a day to fall on their asses attempting to ski on it. Oh and your precious Amazon will be destroyed in less than 50 years at the rate you are going today. You destroyed an area the size of the state of Mass. last year alone. It is sterilized and gone forever kiddo. You drink bottled water for having all that precious fresh water and yes Brazil is slightly bigger than the size of the CONTINENTAL US but there is that little problem with Alaska - also one of the most biologically diverse and beautiful places known to man. Of course you could never hope to see it on a windshield washer salary, but I can tell you - it's incredible.

Yeah you're agriculture is doing so well that the Brazilian government is subsidizing it. This is what your fellow Brazilian pointed out in this thread:
"Not later than yesterday Lula and announced a large US$ 7 billion government "help" to farmers. I guess that such an amount is not due because things are as rosy as reported in the above article. Brazil (with other S.A. countries) also asked à US$ 100 million loan from IADB to eradict cattle FMD."

So babaca, before you start jumping up and down for joy look around at the favelas and the 13 year old prostitutes walking the street. Then think about how much of the Amazon you burned to the ground today. That should put a real smile on your face eh dickhead?
And Brazilians are so happy in Brazil that we catch about 10,000 per month trying to sneak into the US to escape the nightmare that is Brazil. Food for thought f**kless wonder!
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Hey babaca - read this about your utopian South American paradise:
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9575/
Just checking...
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
After reading CIA caftbook on Brazil (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publica.../2001.html), I was aware of Brazil has a GDP = $1.568 trillion (2005 est.) while United States, $12.41 trillion (2005 est.) taking into account GDP (purchasing power parity).
It is well-known that Brazil has an informal economy of 40%, not computed in the figures, which leads the actual size of BR economy to $2.1952.

If I calculate so simple rate, the ratio between BR and US economies is around 1/ 5,65 instead of 20, as repeatdly and wrongly said above.

Please check CIA factbook.
Dull dad

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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
"Brazil has a GDP = $1.568 trillion (2005 est.)"


CIA factbook? Check the brazilian gov'ts. own figures! With the dollar at 2.15-1, brazil has a GNP of roughly 650 BILLION, it comes no where close to ONE TRILLION!
Schadefreunde
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Wow! That should make the gringos feel real good and special! More doritos to you!
Dull dad
written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Why not to check http://www.cia.gov/cia/publica.../2001.html instead of write void words?


Bests,
D. Dad
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written by Guest, April 12, 2006
Funny you mention doritos s**thead!! That's just one more American product you import and eat by the boatload in Brazil. Actually a higher GDP equals more doritos for you.
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written by Guest, April 13, 2006
quote:



"Brazil has a GDP = $1.568 trillion (2005 est.)"


You see that little "est" dips**t??? That means ESTIMATED...and who do you think knows the numbers of the brazilian economy better, the brazilian gov't. or the f**king american CIA??? Would't doubt it at all if it was the CIA.

dullDull dad
written by Guest, April 13, 2006
Check the link. Pls read it. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publica.../2001.html
What a guy....
New World Power?
written by Guest, April 13, 2006
This is how Lula is making Brazil into a new world power?? Gotta be able to read to become a superpower my friends . . . Check out this article:

Illiteracy Rate in Some Brazilian States Runs from 20 to 30%

http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/6092/53/

This thread is just another example of an author who sprinkles everything with cinnamon and sugar to make it all taste good but it still smells like bulls**t to me.
CIA Report on Brazil
written by Guest, April 13, 2006
From CIA report, available at:

http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_globaltrend2020_s2.html

Experts acknowledge that Brazil is a pivotal state with a vibrant democracy, a diversified economy and an entrepreneurial population, a large national patrimony, and solid economic institutions. Brazil’s success or failure in balancing pro-growth economic measures with an ambitious social agenda that reduces poverty and income inequality will have a profound impact on region-wide economic performance and governance during the next 15 years. Luring foreign direct investment and advancing regional stability and equitable integration—including trade and economic infrastructure—probably will remain axioms of Brazilian foreign policy. Brazil is a natural partner both for the United States and Europe and for rising powers China and India and has the potential to enhance its leverage as a net exporter of oil.

Also in CIA Report
written by Guest, April 13, 2006
Found in same report, at
http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_glo...0_es.html

With these and other new global actors, how we mentally map the world in 2020 will change radically. The “arriviste” powers—China, India, and perhaps others such as Brazil and Indonesia—have the potential to render obsolete the old categories of East and West, North and South, aligned and nonaligned, developed and developing.

Barring an abrupt reversal of the process of globalization or any major upheavals in these countries, the rise of these new powers is a virtual certainty. Yet how China and India exercise their growing power and whether they relate cooperatively or competitively to other powers in the international system are key uncertainties. The economies of other developing countries, such as Brazil, could surpass all but the largest European countries by 2020; Indonesia’s economy could also approach the economies of individual European countries by 2020.


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written by Guest, April 13, 2006
"The economies of other developing countries, such as Brazil, could surpass all but the largest European countries by 2020"

so you COULD surpass all in europe besides, france, germany and england, well we should hope so, brazil is nearly the size of the entire continent of europe, and keep in mind, the U.S. has a higher GNP than the entire continent of europe. Just have to love these "conjecture" folks!
From the Authors
written by Guest, April 13, 2006
As the authors of the piece, we are pleased that it has spawned so much commentary and controversy.

We would like to clarify a few points.

First, those readers who point out the obvious and undeniable challenges Brazil faces before it can properly be termed a world power (among them, an unacceptably high illiteracy rate, systemic government corruption, underemployment, and uneven economic growth) are quite right.

Nevertheless, what the article sought to do was not to serve as an ufanista paean to Lula, but to outline a values shift in Brazilian policy. More specifically, the article seeks to show how Lula is systematically implementing the desenvolvimentista or developmentalist program for Brazilian social, political and geo-strategic development. We believe it is noteworthy that Lula has been quietly and persistently reviving the desenvolvimentista program of action that began in the government of Getulio Vargas and that has a lot to do with the training given to future Brazilian military leaders at the US Natonal War College.

We would like to address a few points that have been raised:

1. On a purchasing power parity basis, the Brazilian GDP is about 1.6 trillion according to the CIA World Factbook. In comparison, the US GDP, which stands at about 12.5 trillion according to the same source, is approximately 7.8 times greater. If calculated on an exchanged rate basis, the Brazilian GDP falls to about 600 billion. Thus, our point simply was that, when