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Brazil, Drop the Visa Requirement and Let the Gringos In! PDF Print E-mail
Written by Clara Angelica Porto   
Friday, 19 May 2006 10:20

An American passportAccording to official Central Bank numbers released by Embratur, Brazil's tourism authority, in January 2006 alone, international tourists in Brazil were responsible for a record US$ 402 million. This represented an 11.16% increase from the US$ 360 million in December of 2005, and 17.88% more than in January of 2005.

The results brought about optimism and reflections from the Minister of Tourism, Walfrido dos Mares Guia, who believes the country can reach US$ 6.3 billion in 2006. With a better value to the Brazilian currency, the real, Brazilians have, on the other hand, also increased international spending. But there is more money being spent in Brazil by tourists, than Brazilian tourists are spending outside of Brazil.

Other numbers are impressive. The Brazilian Airport Authority estimates that the number of foreign visitors in Brazil will be between 5.4 and 5.5 million in 2005. Embratur shall release the exact numbers soon.

Rio de Janeiro has become a big favorite among foreign celebrities. Calvin Klein, Naomi Campbell, Bono Vox, are only a few international big names with a crush in the city. Gay tourists, a group known for bringing up numbers, have also picked Brazil, notably Rio and Salvador as favorite spots.

But according to numbers released by the American government, 61.5 million Americans travelled to foreign countries in 2004, with a total spending estimated in US$ 64.5 billion. 17.5 million Americans went to Mexico, 14.2 to Canada, 14.2 to other countries and 10.3 to Europe. Compared to these numbers, Brazil is missing a substantial piece of the cake.

With these good numbers in hand, Mares Guia sent Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva a new motion that alters the Law of Reciprocity on visa for foreign citizens. The Minister wants to end the need for visas for American tourists, a controversial, if not sore subject.

Because of the increasing number of illegal Brazilian immigrants in the US, it has become very hard for Brazilians to visit the US. To be granted a visa, Brazilians have to wait months for interviews, which they have to attend with endless documentation to show stable and solid reasons to go back home.

Many Brazilians are denied visas for no apparent reason. Only the wealthy seem to have no problems, as they own companies, and/or properties, and are able to exhibit high numbers in their bank accounts, a guarantee of return.

Those who defend the new motion, like Mares Guia, put sentimental solidarity aside and think numbers, which can make the economy stronger and bring growth to the country. They argue the existing law blocks a greater growth, when it requires reciprocity, meaning if Brazilians need visas to come to the US, Americans should have visas to go to Brazil.

Mares Guia gives a blow when he points out that the existing law dates back to 1980, when Brazil was still under the military dictatorship, and its mere existence is prejudicial to tourism. The Ministry of Foreign Relations, however, defends the reciprocity and President Lula will have the final word whether or not the motion will be sent to Congress.

Mexico started requiring visas from Brazilians, pressured by the US, because of the high number of Brazilian citizens crossing the borders to the US through Mexico and because of that and according to the law, Mexicans now need visas to go to Brazil.

Relatively speaking, very few Americans choose Brazil as a tourism destination. In 2004, 706,000 Americans visited Brazil, and when compared to the 61.5 million Americans who traveled abroad, the number represents a very low percentage of 1.2 only. They spent during that time around US$ 64.5 billion.

And this is not the worst part. For years Brazil has been visited by 700,000 Americans every year, a number that, if does not get any less, it does not get any higher either. If the law changes and Americans are allowed in Brazil without visas, the number can quickly increase to 2 million.

Numbers versus national pride? Numbers versus a sense of dignity? Also whose job is to determine changes in the law, the Ministry of Tourism, or the Ministry of Foreign Relations? The first claims it is theirs, as they work to increase the numbers of international tourists in Brazil and, using the example of other countries in the world, and to place the industry on a higher level, as it is a multiplying door to bring wealth to the country, jobs opportunities and development. The latter who sees the law as important in the history of Brazilian diplomatic relations, think it is their job.

One may conclude that the Law of Reciprocity will change very soon. If Brazil can have more American tourists and therefore more dollars coming in, it is only natural to assume that not only the political aspects of the case shall be considered, but the economic aspects as well. And, as we all know too well, numbers place a weight on this kind of decision, and in this case, maybe they should.

According to the Minister of Justice, Luiz Paulo Telles Barreto, the tendency is to have a law that gives the country the freedom to choose which foreign countries should be granted the right to have its citizens visit Brazil without the need for a visa. But, according to the Brazilian press, the Minister also said that the present law has its importance for the Ministry of Foreign Relations' work.

A very comfortable and diplomatic approach, or maybe a reminder that yes, let the changes come, they are needed, but let us keep in mind the needs of international politics as well.

Clara Angelica Porto is a Brazilian bilingual journalist living in New York. She went to school in Brazil and at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. Clara is presently working as the English writer for The Brasilians, a monthly newspaper in Manhattan. Comments welcome at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

Comments (165)Add Comment
Brasil....Stay the Course!
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
It's called self-respect.

Brasil has done quite well just the way it is.... Thank You very much!
Re: Brazil, Drop the Visa Requirement an
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
As a Brazilian, I think that Brazil should drop the visa requirement for Americans and even Mexicans.

The Americans have a good reason to require visa and a log wait because of many illegal Brazilians in the USA. Actually, they are doing us a great favor.

The Mexicans are requesting again a visa based also in the fact (besides the American pressure) that people are dying crossing the American-Mexican border and there are groups of crazy nationalists there shooting at people.

So, we should judge separately the American or Mexican people from their governments as much as we want to be judged separately from our government. At least I do.

We need revenue and we need to fight poverty and if that helps a little so be it. It is time to gulp down our pride and put the shoulder to the wheel.
Self-respect?
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Self-respect is sometimes not far from "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face".

Look at the totally irrational photographing & fingerprinting of Americans arriving in Brazil under the guise of a policy of "reciprocity". The U.S. has a good reason for doing so, and the rule applies to many countries. In Brazil it applied only to Americans. And, after all of that expense and bad publicity, it ended up that the data that they had collected was just thrown away. A total waste of scarce resources that could have been put to better use improving the country!
Crazy nationalists shooting at people?
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Certainly there are a lot of people dying crossing the border, especially in the desert areas, but I don't think that the Minutemen are shooting at people. They just call the Border Patrol on their cell phones and report people that they see crossing the border illegally.
drop the visa
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
The US has a good reasons for a VISA program but Brazil dos not, at least where the US is concerned. The "self respect" of the kid above is nothing compared to the thousands of jobs that would be created by doubling the amount of Americans entering the country. I work in the tourism industry and I see first hand how the VISA harms, significantly, the amount of Americans who want to come to Brazil but cant because for a family of 4, the $400+ dollars is just too painful. Brazil has many things to be proud about and a VISA that costs thousands of families potential jobs has not reason or rhyme.
self respect
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
The finger printing of american citizens is a good example of playng bad politics.Unfortunately the Brazilian people has elected an illiterate corrupt clown for president.
To whom it may concern: I am not american.
for selfish reasons..
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
... this gringo hopes they never drop the visa requirement... visa's aren't that hard to get, and I dont wanna come to brazil just to see the place overrun by fat idiots from Ohio and Nebraska...I wanna save the place for myself, ha haa!

Re: I don\'t think that the Minutemen ar
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Answer:

See the following:

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=557

Yes! Visa for gringos
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Yes, Gringos should have a visa to enter Brasil. Most are going for sex tourism. Afterall, the Americans are making lots of money ( US$100+ for each person applying) from Brasilians just applying for a visa that most are denied anyway. Brasil can do without the gringos! They are bad tippers too. Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land. Let them go to Mexico, Canada and Iraq.
RE: Yes! Visa for gringos
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Yes! Visa for gringos"

"Yes, Gringos should have a visa to enter Brasil"

"Brasil can do without the gringos"

"Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

Which statement should we keep?
RE: Re: I don\'t think that the Minuteme
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Well, yhat was an interesting web article, although it was very obviously biased. It said a lot about how the Minutemen include some pretty typical American rednecks. I never said in my post that they were liberals or socialists. :-)

However, did you notice that although the Minutemen ARE armed, even that article didn't say anything about them shooting people. You can bet that U.S. law enforcement would be "on them like stink on s**t" if they were doing that.
Re law enforcement would be \"on them li
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
I believe what you are saying is right but there is always someone capable of using guns anywhere in this mad world therefore it is better for the Brazilians to try to come/go to US legally (through work visas, student visa, etc) or not to come/go at all.

Anyway, the author of the article is right.

Some of my compatriots here in this site are protesting and any more will protest vehemently against the idea however I believe that we should make easier for the Americans to enter Brazil even when the Americans are keeping their visa rules for us. Why? Because we need the capital, the mula, the gold, pure and simple. No, I do not work in the tourism industry if someone is wondering I just know that Brazil needs every income possible and that is all. Man, I start sounding like a Minister of finances!

However, one thing astonishes me about foreign tourists in Brazil. Even with the fact that we have beautiful places to take pictures from, they, in many cases, like to go to very poor places to get their pictures of our country. Why? Is there something romantic about our favelas that we are missing to perceive?
foreign student
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
whats the issue about visas anyway? i dont think it would have much of an affect. truth is those visas arent hard to get. in fact i think making an account at the local video locadora is a lot more difficult with all the required documents!
Tourism
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
The tourists that like to go to favelas probably just want to feel better about the misery that they live in (yes, some people live in misery in the U.S. too; there are many different kinds of misery in this world).

I personally like to go to the beautiful places in Brazil.

Unfortunately, many of the best places to go in Brazil are the ones that mostly just Brazilian tourists go. Brazil needs to promote and educate foreigners about places to go besides Rio and the Amazon. On the other hand, maybe things are good the way that they are, and these types of places can stay relatively unspoiled. There are some places that I know of that would make great tourist destinations, but I'm hesitant to mention them and why people are not going there, for fear of them being inundated with foreigners (OK, this is pure selfishness!).

I have noticed that most of the Brazilian tour companies are not well prepared for foreigners, and the ones that do recruit foreign tourists seem to have a large markup and are thus a lot more expensive. At the same time, I have met a lot of young people in Brazil that studied to work in the tourism industry but couldn't find a job in the industry and are doing something else. The tourism industry needs these people that have language skills in order to help attract foreign tourists.
WRONG ! SIMPLY WRONG !
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
BRAZILIANS SPEND MORE ABROAD THAN FOREIGN TOURISTS SPEND IN BRAZIL !

Your "tourism" account has a large deficit !

Please review your sources !

As to the Visas, why dont Brazil let other poor S.A. and Latam countries enter Brazil so easily ? When you will have answered that question, you will have the reason why the USA in fact just do what Brazil does !


Sooooooo simple !
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"They are bad tippers too. Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

As opposed to the high fallutin, big spending Brazilians who throw 50 centavos on the table (if you're lucky) and walk away . . . That was funny!! I don't know but if gringos aren't tipping that well maybe it's because the f**king thieving, lying Brazilians are charging 2 different prices - local and gringo . . .
VISA, VISA, VISA, VISA
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"Brasil....Stay the Course!"

"never drop the visa requirement"

"Yes! Visa for gringos"

"Lets keep the gringos out of tropical land."

"Brasil can do without the gringos"

I love all of them!

For the first time in my life i see with some sympathy polícia federal. Yes, let's the rednecks have some fun!

Anglican Pragmatist
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
None of your opinions are of any use since none of you are in a position to make a policy decision on this subject. This is just an arrogance check. Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway. Maybe some day people will get smart enough to recognize the crooked politicians owned by the rich man running the show in the US and in Brasil! His name is the devil.
A traveler, a realist, just looking to l
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
I tip well, for good service. Good service is the rule in Brazil. I can’t say anything about American Tourists I stay in Brazilian Hotels. I try to stay clear of Americans I come to Brazil for the Brazilian PEOPLE.

We all have problems and undesirable people in our countries.

I’m willing to pay $100 for a visa. It is only correct what is good for one country is good for another.

I know of two Brazil friends that were denied VISAS to USA.
It’s not right, it looks bad and can not be defended by a reasonable person.
Two wrongs will not make it right, but can make it feel better, when we feel powerless.

An American who travels as a Canadian, I am not in to defending the poor judgment of my government.
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..
VISA!
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
you're right above poster. But I think there's something to do. I intend to join a ONG here wich is engaged to rasing people's conscious over the political process. through the internet is a great help to a closer approach to politics. People accompany what the mercenaries do and send them messages to follow the voice of people. Don't you think is some idea? it empower and motivate people at the same time.

But about what you said '"Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway", don
VISA!
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
you're right above poster. But I think there's something to do. I intend to join a ONG here wich is engaged to rasing people's conscious over the political process. through the internet is a great help to a closer approach to politics. People accompany what the mercenaries do and send them messages to follow the voice of people. Don't you think is some idea? it empower and motivate people at the same time.

But about what you said '"Lets see how people sound off about people they have never met on something they can not decide on anyway", don
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
quote: hey brasil your illegals here in the usa have over stayed ..

answer:
which I'm sure your fellow countrymen rednecks and you make sure to exploit to the last drop of blood! Or you are exploited then have to discount in someone? In any case either a well paid person gets richer or an average person accesses cheap labour!

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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
actually illegals in usa are the rednecks
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
first of all, illegals COST the U.S. taxpayers money, they are NOT an overall benefit, they are an overall DETRIMENT in the U.S.

Do I have to post the url to the CIS (Center for Immigration Studies) again?

Secondly, I would certainly hope by now that everyone would understand exactly WHY the U.S. requires visas from many countries, in particular those countries that have many illegals in the U.S. such as brazil.

For the poster that wrote for brazil to keep it up and their policy of reciprocity is about self-respect....pleeeease. Self-respect obviously has nothing to do with it, or you guys would have killed a lot of your own politicians long ago. It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S. Brazilians tend to take things way too personally. The U.S. didn't only require BRASILIANS to adhere to the new ID process when entering the U.S., they required 140+ countries initially and within 10 months required the rest of the world to have new "updated" passports with the very same information and data that is required from the original 140+ or they too would go through the same exact process. One must understand that 9-11 had its effect, and naturally the U.S. gov'ts. responsibility is to protect its citizens....and even its visitors.

As far as the minutemen statements, you can believe, there are numerous groups that are looking for ANY excuse to get this group in trouble, and as of this moment, no one has found ANYTHING that these people have done that has been illegal. Nothing. They're simply a group of americans that are fed-up with the situation and the inaction of their gov't. to a serious problem.

I feel quite certain that brazilians would understand if their own people did the same thing if there were 7 million argentinians illegally in brazil, recieving social services, burning brazilian flags, changing the brazilian national anthem, and demanding their rights, when they don't even have the right to be in the country.
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
the previous poster i would say most accurately reflects the majority of americans .overwhelmingly. on this subject...
RE: million argentinians illegally in br
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
We would start using them in our second division soccer teams.

We would use them to increase our white quota. (bad joke, I knw)

We would use them to work in our farms.

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why the rednecks get so pissed???
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don
why the rednecks get so pissed???
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don
why the rednecks get so pissed???
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"It has to do with a stubborn national pride that many here would be willing to bite their noses off to spite their face, especially in respect to the U.S"

don
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
Hit the SEND button just once!
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"Brazilians tend to take things way too personally."
what a joke!! learn how to speak portuguese and pass for a braz or another latin (then learn spanish) and see for yourself. Am I being too naive trying to give a redneck some kind of hint?

If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!new yorkers are one example.

Just try to answer that and if it is too hard rationalize as you amreicans do best!
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
any problem ??
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
quote:

"Just try to answer that and if it is too hard rationalize as you amreicans do best!"


Here is your answer...

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html

There is a REAL study, with real facts and figures, weighing all the benefits and detriments that illegals bring to the U.S. from a leading NGO concerning immigration...and not only illegal immigration, but immigration in general.

But that particular study is titled, "The High Cost of Cheap Labor". Read it and learn, instead of trying to pull an insta-fact out of your ass and acting like your opinion is fact/reality.
Has it? Really?
written by Guest, May 19, 2006
"Brasil has done quite well just the way it is.... Thank You very much!"

Really? I've been away from the country for a while now, maybe it's time to go back. You mean to say we have solved the unemployment, corruption, health & education crises and everything else and than now we can turn dollars away?
Coooool!! I'm coming back, babe!!
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written by Guest, May 19, 2006
i still think americans exploit illegals. explain why this happens "If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!"I'd really like to understand that.
Brazil Tropical Land ????
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
Tropical Climate : yesss, but you are not the only country.

Otherwise Brazil is a Tropical s**t ! Yessss !
Look at the corruption at all levels of the society, non education, poor healthcare, poverty, hunger, millions of roads potholes as large as swimming pools and some as large as lagoons...with trees planted !
Look at your Justice that is Non existant, your Constitution written on toilet paper that is not applied.
You still have slaves.
Look at your crimes rates, one of the highest in the world.
You also have almost the world record for wealth inequality.
The world record for interests rates.
You also have almost the lowest economic growth rate. Ohh and also your pollution, you have only 10 % of sewage water treated, the rest goes to the rivers and the Ocean. Same for your garbage, 10 % treated, and the rest straight to landfills !

IS THIS YOUR PARADISE ????

THEN KEEP IF FOR YOU BUT PLEASE PLEASE DONT EXPORT THAT TOO !!!!

In the meantime, not many foreigners have a desire to immigrate in your country, but there are millions and millions of Brazilians who have only one dream : GET OUT OF THIS f**kING PARADISE !

The simple proof is the number of brazilians going elsewhere, either legally or ILLEGALLY for the majority !

KEEP THEM TOO !

SIMPLY STATED, NO ONE WANTS THEM !!!!
Brazilian nannies !!!!
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
Please tell us first how much makes a Brazilian nanny in Brazil !!!! Then you can compare if it is good or not !

Secondly, please tell us why so many Brazilians women prefer to be nanny elsewhere rather than in their own country !!!!!

From what I know, no brazilian is obliged to come illegally here !!!! correct ?

Then why do they do so ????

Elsewhere is not a paradise either, but what is sure is that elsewhere, in the developed nations, it is far better than in your s**tty country !

Otherwise it would be the opposite for the flux of people and EU and US citizens would go illegally in Brazil as illegal workers or nannies !

But Brazil always criticize richa nations, but Brazil is far mor closed than other countries :
Do you accept illegals by the millions coming from Bolivia and poorers countries than Brazil ???? NOOOOOOOOO !

Then why do you always expect that other countries olpen their doors, but understand why you dont open more your own doors !

Curiously it is the same for Trade, you are not willing to open your closed doors for Industrial goods and financial services, but expect developed nations to buy more of your agriculture, despite that you already have a huge trade surplus with these countries !!!!

Is Trade a one way thing in your mind and culture ?
The same could be said for immigration and emigration !

Looks like you have only half a brain !
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
I had a BRazilian nanny once... She was great; she let me bend her over whenrever I wanted to. I say let Brazilians immigrate illegally to the US. THe woman are sooooooooo easy, I love it! Just a snap of the fingers and they're on their knees.
Welll ...wellll.....
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
if you hired a brazilian nanny just to have her on heir knees, I suppose that you have no other way to seduce a woman from your own country. Are you that ugly, dirty, stinky and fat ?

I suppose that you dont even have kids !

Poor a*****e, you not only have half a brain, you have no balls either. You should be quite impotent, and that is why you can have only mouth pleasure, because your trick is only soft meat !!!!

Shame on you. It is because of people like you who hire cheap nannies to be your sexual object that you are hatred !


But have you already once in your life asked your partner what pleasure she had with you ?????

You better not ask, the answer is so obvious !
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
quote:

" still think americans exploit illegals. explain why this happens "If they are a detriment why american high society hires nanny to TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN and pay 1/3 they would pay an american nanny? without one single benefit!!!!!!!!"I'd really like to understand that."

LOL....are you people that stupid or just trying to get a reaction??

Firstly, of course there are groups, businesses, industries, that exploit illegals, that is a known fact!!

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

If all the illegals were removed from the U.S. today, the "bottom line" in the U.S. would INCREASE, not DECREASE.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
quote:

"You also have almost the world record for wealth inequality."

No, brazil is WORLD CHAMPION of unequal distribution of income.

I can post another legitimate study, conducted by Brown University about this very topic.

There were numerous parameters that were studied, although in some parameters, 2 countries did worse than brazil, South Africa and Malawi(according to GINI coefficients and two countries in AFRICA), OVERALL when all parameters were weighed, Brazil is champion of unequal distribution of income.


quote:

"In the comparison of countries with similar average income, based on the Report

of Human Development (PNUD), Brazil presented percentages over 30% of poor, while
in the other countries the proportion was from 8 to 10%, what leads us to conclude that
there is major presence of Brazilian social inequality.

1.2. Unequal distribution of resources

The unequal distribution of resources is, thus, detached as the main determinant
for poverty in Brazil, especially income inequality that has been remaining for centuries
in surprising stability, one of the highest in the international comparison.

In the economical measurement of inequality, the traditional instruments are
usually the above-mentioned GINI coefficient; the THEIL index; the ratio between the
average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40%; the ratio between the
average income of the richest 20% and the average income of the poorest 20%4.

The international comparison with GINI coefficients reveals that only South
Africa and Malawi have degrees of inequality higher than Brazil’s, where it is 0.60. “...

it represents, in the group of 92 countries with available information, a pattern only
reached by the four countries with the highest degree of inequality: Guatemala, Brazil,
South Africa and Malawi.”5
About the ratio between the richest 10% and the poorest 40%, there is a certain
pattern in the international distribution with figures stretching to 20% at most. In Brazil
3 BARROS, MENDONÇA, HENRIQUES, 2000 – op. cit.,pp. 28 on.

4 BARROS, MENDONÇA, HENRIQUES, op.cit.

5 idem ibidem, p. 34.

it is 28, while in other countries it is lower: in the United States (5), France (6,5),

Argentina (10) and Colombia (15), Ivory Coast (20). The value of 28 times of the
average income of the richest 10% and of the poorest 40% puts Brazil in a distant
position from any recognizable pattern in international scene in terms of distributive
justice.

On what concerns the ratio between average income of the richest 20% and of
the poorest 20%, the majority of the countries presents this ratio under 10. Once again,
according to information given by the Report of Human Development of 1999 (PNUD),
Brazil is the country with the highest degree of inequality because the ratio between
average income of the richest 20% and the poorest 20% gets over the expanded value of
30, putting it in the singular position of champion of inequality."


American Tourist
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
I have been to Brazil several times and enjoyed it. But because of the visa requirement, I usually go to Europe on vacation. I live in a state served by the Brazilian Counsulate in Chicago. That Counsulate only gives 90 day visas to most Americans. So, I need a new visa for each vacaton in Brazil. Becuase of my work, most vacations are planned and taken at the 'last minute" It takes several days to get a visa, so my last minute vacations are spent in Europe instead of Brazil.
I like the beaches and climate in Brazil better than Europe, but most of my vacation dollars are spent in Europe, because they are "last minute" trips and I can fly to Europe without a visa, but can not fly to Brazil without one. - An American Tourist
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
that's not right. Tourist visas are good for several years, and good for 180 days per year, but only a maximum of 90 days per stay, although you can get an extension if you want to stay longer than the 90 day max per stay by simply going to the federal police department in the city in which you are staying in brazil.

One certainly doesn't have to get a new tourist visa every year. The last time I checked they were good for at least 5 years.
Gringo,a go go......
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
visa's are issued in either 5 yr or 90 day periods. Who gets what is determined by the Brazilian conculate,luck of the draw. In the past a five yr visa would be the norm, but recently it seems that the 90 day visas are the norm forceing alot of people to spend $100 every time they want to hop a jet to Brazil. Politcis a side I'm sure that this is a cash cow for the govt.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
I've never heard of that in my life, the U.S. gov't. doesn't do that with brazilians, and its difficult for me to believe that brazilians are doing that to americans, I will confirm it though.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
quote:

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

The point was not that americans; reds not b/c they are from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superiro smarter etc i say redneck withe anglo saxon, answering another post, need, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the evil organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries?
idiot x 5
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
"The point was not that americans; reds not b/c they are from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superiro smarter etc i say redneck withe anglo saxon, answering another post, need, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the evil organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries? "

Worse. Writing. Ever.

Go back to school retard
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
because they put themselves in the position to be exploited...human nature.

Do you think that brazilians don't do the very same thing?? And not to illegals, but they're own legal citizens.

Just imagine if brazil had millions of illegals...LOL. That's why they don't!
usa # 1
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
hey brasil why are you exporting your social problems to us.surely you must realize that we are about to return to sender.
RE: idiot X5
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
Hey, at least the guy tried. Can you do better in Portuguese?
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
brasil just another third world hell hole.dumping its criminals to the usa for illegal activities.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
brasil just another third world hell hole.dumping its criminals to the usa for illegal activities.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
quote:

BUT, the argument that american NEEDS illegals, that they do jobs that americans won't do, that if we didn't have ILLEGALS that many of our industries would suffer as well as our economy.....DOES NOT HOLD WATER!!!

The point was not that americans need illegals, but since you pointed..., but why people, not the "evil" organizations, exploit them? can't they pay fair salaries? "

answering another post: "translation for Brazilians: Redneck means: caipira,etc...

reds not b/c they are Americans from Iowa but b/c they are selfish and arrogant and pretty mcuh hypocrytal, and since the red states are attacked by this kind who consider themselves superior smarter etc i say redneck to white selfish arrogant obnoxious anglo saxons.

difficult, uh? your posts just confirm what I wrote smilies/sad.gif
RE: quote
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
Hi,
I'm the guy that translated "redneck" to Portuguese as best as could be done (there's no direct translation). Could you please write what you're trying to say in Portuguese? It's totally incomprehensible in English.
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written by Guest, May 20, 2006
what?? You have no idea what a redneck is obviously....are you making a new definition I guess?

And thanks for lumping 300 million together to blanketly describe us all.

I'll just call all brazilians macaccos.
Sorry, you\'re wrong
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
I have an excellent idea what a redneck is, there are a lot of them around where I live (maybe I'm one too). There just isn't any direct translation into Portuguese. I came as close as I could.

You're saying that the U.S has 300 million cowboys, hicks, country bumkins, etc.? We know that isn't true.
BTW
written by Guest, May 20, 2006
It's spelled "macaco".

There's a street in my neighborhood named "Redneck Drive" (swear to God, it's true).

You know, this site was probably intended to promote better relations between the Brazil and the U.S. It seems like the opposite is what is actually happening. There are some very bitter people posting on this site for whatever reason. The few reasonable people that post on this site are being drowned out by those who are unreasonable and unreasoning )both American and Brazilian).

There is so much more to lfe than this!


I hope that all of the people of Brazil who read the posts on this site realize that the majority of posts from the U.S. side are not representative of the views of the majority of the people of the U.S.

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written by Guest, May 21, 2006
"Also whose job is to determine changes in the law, the Ministry of Tourism, or the Ministry of Foreign Relations?" Are you on drugs???
To the stats man !
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
Then we agree !

Wealth inequality or as you say :
brazil is WORLD CHAMPION of unequal distribution of income.

IS JUST THE SAME !

A true shame....Brazil !

Nothing works there, except corruption where they truly excel !
TO ALL BRAZILIANS !!!!!!!
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
It is quite well known that the USA are the worst of all, they are the devils and USA is the hell !


CORRECT ??????


THEN WHY ARE ALL THE STUPID BRAZILIANS ALL WISHING TO GO THERE AND EVEN READY TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO STAY ILLEGALLY IN HELL WITH THE DEVILS ????????

Why do the stupid brazilian nannies choose to go to the USA ? Dont they have a better living and better wages....in Brazil ?

And to all the other Brazilians living in the Tropical Paradise, why dont you explain us with simple words how paradisiac is your country compared to the hell that the USA is ??????

- Better wages ? More easy to find a job ? Better education ? Better standard of living ?
Less corruption ? Better infrastructure ?
Less violence ? Less crimes ? Less insecurity ? Less bureaucracy ? Less red tape ? Less pollution ? Cleaner beaches ? Less poverty ? Less hunger ? Better housing ? Less income taxes ? Less import taxes ?

Someone should explain us what the differences are between Paradise and Hell !

Sooooooo simple !

re: I\'ll just call all brazilians macac
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
redneck:
1. an offensive term for a white farm hand in the southern United States, especially one regarded as uneducated or aggressively prejudiced

2. an offensive term for somebody who is opposed to liberal social changes, especially somebody regarded as prejudiced

origin [Mid-19th century. < the sunburned necks of those who work outdoors in sunny climates]

quote "are you making a new definition I guess?"

I didn't know you people OWN the language as well, haha, unbelievable. yeah, it's a new def. and stands for people who consider themselves liberals, cool, open minded but are NOT! have the same prejudices as their fathers did...so they are redneks dressed up as liberals, don maybe there's a better word. what about just 'you' or 'your name....? what is your name btw?

For a moment came to my mind that maybe you are afraid that your country is going to be controled by the chicanos (like Mr. Alberto Gonzales) and the white people being the minority (as in NY) will lose their arrogance (not like NY)? you people have a lot to deal with....pathethic.





re: I\'ll just call all brazilians macac
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
redneck:
1. an offensive term for a white farm hand in the southern United States, especially one regarded as uneducated or aggressively prejudiced

2. an offensive term for somebody who is opposed to liberal social changes, especially somebody regarded as prejudiced

origin [Mid-19th century. < the sunburned necks of those who work outdoors in sunny climates]

quote "are you making a new definition I guess?"

I didn't know you people OWN the language as well, haha, unbelievable. yeah, it's a new def. and stands for people who consider themselves liberals, cool, open minded but are NOT! have the same prejudices as their fathers did...so they are redneks dressed up as liberals, don maybe there's a better word. what about just 'you' or 'your name....? what is your name btw?

For a moment came to my mind that maybe you are afraid that your country is going to be controled by the chicanos (like Mr. Alberto Gonzales) and the white people being the minority (as in NY) will lose their arrogance (not like NY)? you people have a lot to deal with....pathethic.





Re: BTW
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
"You know, this site was probably intended to promote better relations between the Brazil and the U.S. It seems like the opposite is what is actually happening. "

I am a Brazilian living in the USA with family here, in Brazil and in Europe and friends in many countries. In my family, we have Brazilians, Americans, Germans, Portuguese and Italians.

I agree with you, this site should be used to promote good relationship between Brazilians and the rest of the world. This war of words is going too far and producing nothing relevant or interesting.

I guess that some people cannot live without hating something…

It is a juvenile waist of time. What a shame!
Oops!
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
I meant "waste of time".

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written by Guest, May 21, 2006
quote: And thanks for lumping 300 million together to blanketly describe us all.

redneck= prejudiced phony liberals, ok? All Americans are these way??? never thought that way, but since you're saying it, i'll pay closer attention. You live there!!!!

Worse. Writing. Ever.

Go back to school retard

quote: I hope that all of the people of Brazil who read the posts on this site realize that the majority of posts from the U.S. side are not representative of the views of the majority of the people of the U.S.

not representative? you say 2/3 is not representative? taking out the chicanos, I'm not sure about that smilies/sad.gif

quote: Nothing works there, except corruption where they truly excel !

No baby, no. I think current new phase Americans go through is hard and all but you're going a bit too far saying that. and maybe you're projecting your impressions about your own country? That ain't true either, there are things working in both countries, midia is not that omnipotent. you think that way?
life IS bigger.

qoute: Why do the stupid brazilian nannies choose to go to the USA ? Dont they have a better living and better wages....in Brazil ?
Can't you people answer a single straight question? I have real doubts about it in the current situation...
why rich people, not abstract entities such as the "evil" corporations that are only formed by human beings, (are you following or do I need to be less complex?), EXPLOIT, very straightly state, weaker people???
sons of a bitch, is a correct name?
are you sure you think brazilian women are easy, now? I don't think you can deal with one and make them happy through life.Do any of you share my doubts?
Then tell us what is working in Brazil !
written by Guest, May 21, 2006

Education ? Infrastructure ? Good wages ? good standard of living for the majority of population ? Good security or insecurity ? Laws applied or impunity prevails ?

Is Brazil not the most violent country on earth ? Dont you have 50 % of all 15/24 youths deaths coming from....violent crimes ? Noooo ? why dont you scroll the regular news in this site, there were several artircles recently with statistics.

Dont you have 45 % of the whole population under nourrished, namely 72 millions with noT enough food, and 14 millions in hunger ? Read the news here just a few days ago !
Quite strange then that you can export so much agriculture before feeding FIRST your own population !

What is the country name that abolished slavery around 120 years ago but still have slaves today ????
BRAZIL !!!
Who is exploiting Bolivian Gas by paying 50 % BELOW the International market price ? BRAZIL ! AND THEN YOU THREATEN Bolivia!

Please tell the world what is going WELL in Brazil, except corruption !!!!




Pleaaaase do ! We are ready.....
Foreign student ?????
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
Sorry but 99 % of Brazilians requesting a VISA to enter the USA are not students or too old to be student.
They want to go to the USA because they see a better future there, while they dont see anything from their own country !

Saying it differently is simply a lie ! And you know it !

Simple as that !
Re: Then tell us what is working in Braz
written by Guest, May 21, 2006
I am a Brazilian legally living in the USA.

Although I agree with you regarding many of the Brazilian issues you have listed, I have to disagree with the tone of your message.

Of course, few Brazilians would deny our social problems we are facing in Brazil. However, you are exaggerating in your statements.

Of course, there are things going well in Brazil. The economy is not doing so badly or otherwise the international investors would not be pouring some much money in Brazil.

Brazil has corruption and lack of quality education, yes, and because of that all Brazilians should see everything else as bad?

Please, present your arguments with integrity.

There are many issues in Europe and North America. Here in the USA, for example, the social security is doing very bad, thank you very much, and you probably know that. The Medicare is a joke and there is corruption in the government. The police force, once in while shows sign of deficiency and discrimination. In the city where I live the Sheriff has been accused of sexual harassment. Of course, in Brazil we have far worse situation but this is to show you how things can be deceptive. The US is not free of social, political and economic problems mainly caused by bad management. The American people, to join my compatriots in the trend, have demonstrated also bad judgment in choosing their leaders lately. Actually, the problem seems to be worldwide.

I do not want to