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It's Time Brazil's Lula Chimes In on the US Immigration Reform Debate PDF Print E-mail
Written by Edgardo Quintanilla   
Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:06

Immigration march in the USThe hopes of undocumented Brazilians in the United States got a boost when last May 25, 2006, the U.S. Senate approved by a vote of 62 to 36 S. 2611 (the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006). What follows now at the U.S. Congress is a clash of two rival ideologies for what Immigration Law reform should be about because unlike the House of Representatives measure H.R. 4437, S. 2611 is not law-enforcement oriented. S. 2611 is a bipartisan Immigration Law proposal.

Ironically, the ensuing debate about the future of Immigration Law reform in the United States will take place while the vast majority of Brazilians root for a sixth World Cup championship this Summer in the Northern Hemisphere.
 
S. 2611 provides: 1) a path for Lawful Permanent Residence for the 12 million undocumented immigrants who have resided over five years in the United States of which Brazilians are estimated to be around 150,000,

2) a new temporary non-immigrant visa for people all over the world which will not exceed 200,000 visas per year,

3) the addition of more immigrant visas in the family- and employment-based categories which have significantly benefited Brazilians,

4) important changes for processing visas for agricultural workers in the United States for which Brazilians have hardly benefited in the past at all given the large pool of undocumented Mexican workers,

5) reform of the immigrant programs for professionals with higher degrees, and

6) the granting of Lawful Permanent Resident status for U.S. High School graduates who go on to pursue college degrees for which some undocumented Brazilians are expected to benefit.
 
Since the mid-1980s, no other major significant Immigration Law reform had been seriously considered in the United States. Thus, S. 2611 is a historic event as it comes in the midst of a rancorous debate over Immigration Law reform in the United States.
 
Current polls in the United States support the aims of S. 2611, which is portrayed by pro-immigrant groups as an earned path to legalization.
 
The debate in the U.S. English-language media has succeeded in mischaracterizing S. 2611 as an amnesty that leads to citizenship. Such mischaracterization has succeeded because Immigration Law is one of the most complex legal areas of law and anybody has a claim to providing a quick fix. From the chants of deport them all of the Minutemen to the proposal for open borders by some of the leaders of the Great American Boycott of 2006 last May 1st.
 
U.S. English-speaking talk-radio shows strive for higher ratings when selectively dealing with Immigration Law by keeping the debate at a visceral level of opinion devoid of facts and legal analysis in a country in which "American Idol" attracts more viewers than a speech by President George W. Bush in support of reforming Immigration Law in the U.S.
 
A sober legal analysis of S. 2611 shows that it is a long and winding row to obtaining Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) status. It takes five years of LPR status in the United States before a person can make the personal choice of becoming a U.S. citizen. Nothing in U.S. Immigration Law requires anybody to become a U.S. citizen. U.S. citizenship is a choice.
 
To contend that S. 2611 is a sure path to citizenship is a clever way by Republican politicians of raising the specter of hordes of mostly Spanish-speaking persons striving to become U.S. citizens in order to take the jobs that so-called Americans do not want.
 
Fear fuels the Immigration Law debate in the United States these days.
 
A review of the U.S. media shows that the view of the current Brazilian president is irrelevant and it is hardly considered. The approval of S. 2611 presents Lula with another unique opportunity to speak on behalf of immigrants in the United States.
 
The rattling of the U.S. government cage carried on weekly by President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela in denouncing the maladies of the U.S. system in effectively addressing the problem of immigration makes greater headlines in the U.S. press than what Lula has to say about it.
 
We are poised in the United States this Summer of 2006 for a period that lays the seeds of racial discord or for a period that brings out the best in American politics - that compromise is the breakfast of political champions.
 
S. 2611 would benefit most Brazilians in the United States. Don't count on the Brazilian government coming out in public to support such measure even if S. 2611 would have a more lasting effect upon Brazil than if the Brazilian team were to win a sixth World Cup in Germany.
 
Edgardo Quintanilla, Esq., is an attorney member of the State Bar of California. He can be reached at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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Excellent article !
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
But simply a bit too much one sided !

And there is not a word about another new invasion even far bigger than the actual one of illegal foreigners who will do everything to enter the USA, should S.2611 be accepted !!!

In only a five years time or so, a minimum of another 12 millions of new illegal immigrants will
create the same problem as today !
What will America then do ?
????
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
But why should American accept and tolerate illegal foreigners by the hundreds of thousands and even more, from countries that are totally against the USA policies and totally against the FTAA ???
Why should America accept and even legalize illegal foreign citizens that are not even respectful of America policies and lifestyle ?

Concerning illegal Brazilians in the USA, the number is not estimated at 250'000 as it is written in the article but at well over 1 million !
That is a reason a tourist visa requested by Brazilians is regularly denied now !
RE ????
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
*S. 2611 provides: 1) a path for Lawful Permanent Residence for the 12 million undocumented immigrants who have resided over five years in the United States of which Brazilians are estimated to be around 150,000, *

Read that one more time. He did not mention that there are only 150 thousands Brazilians in the USA. He said that there are 150 thousands Brazilians "who have resided over five years in the United States". There are thousands of Brazilians legally living in the USA. The estimate you have includes: legal, illegal with more than 5 years residency and illegal with less than 5 years.

One more thing, the fact that a country is against the USA (politically, the government) does not mean that all the people from that country are anti-American.

Question for you, intended as an example: Why is that the USA did not deport all the Germans during the WWII?
STUPID QUESTION !
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
Thus stupid question returned :
Is Brazil at WAR NOW ? WWIII ? With whom ? I did not see the news for the last several years !!!

Smile !

Therefore comparing illegal brazilians in the USA now and legally accepted germans during WWII is just irrelevant !

Going back to 12 millions undocumented immigrants, something is wrong !

The estimate is 12 millions total illegal immigrants, regardless if more or less than 5 years in the USA ! Therefore the number with 5 years or more should be much much lower than 12 millions...by definition !

But you are right on the other points !
Eduardo
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
"Bring them on"
RE: STUPID QUESTION !
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
Brazil is not at war, indeed, and the intention of the question was quite different from what you interpreted.

Illegal Brazilians should not be treated differently because of some issues between Lula and the government of the US.

The Brazilians are in the USA mostly because of economical issues. The fact that our government is not favorable to the USA in many political and economical points should not be used as an impediment to legalize Brazilians, the same applies to the Mexicans, Cubans, etc.
oha meu!
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
But why should American accept and tolerate illegal foreigners by the hundreds of thousands and even more, from countries that are totally against the USA policies and totally against the FTAA ???
Why should America accept and even legalize illegal foreign citizens that are not even respectful of America policies and lifestyle ?

( Concerning illegal Brazilians in the USA, the number is not estimated at 250'000 as it is written in the article but at well over 1 million !
That is a reason a tourist visa requested by Brazilians is regularly denied now ! )

Porra, vc e burro ne! What this Brazuca living in the USA knows about WTO, FTAA what the heck you think they have 12 millons immigrants in the USA?
RE: oha meu!
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
And why a Brazuca living in the USA would not know a heck about WTO, FTAA? What is the basis for this type of statement? Explain your logic.

In our current time, however, do you think that the US is the only country dealing with illegal immigration? What are the main causes, in your astute opinion, for illegal immigration of people from one country to another?


An American
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
The Mexican Government has forty consulates many times more than any other Counttry. With paid lobbists and other means the Mexican Government exerts huge pressure on the United States government, which vastly favors Mexicans over other countries in immigration. There are over 180 countries in the World. The USA received more immigrants from Mexico than from the other 180 countries combined. A US immigration official recently boasted the success of a targeted enforcement action which reduced by 92% the number of Brazilians entering the government. The Senate bill will greatly reduce the number of "lottery visas" for unskilled workers, which had been the primary legal source of immigrants from Africa. By allowing a porous border with Mexico and allowing millions of Mexicans to pour into the USA while effectively excluding most immigrants from Brazil, Africa, Europe, and Asia the USA has acquiesed in having a racist immigration policy that allows millions of Mexican Mestizos to pour into the USA while only a small handful of immigrants are received from each of the other 180 countries in the World.
An American
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
To clarify my last post, Mexico maintains over 40 consulates inside the United States of America. No other country maintains anywhere near that many consulates inside the USA. The Mexican Consulates, exert enomourous pressure to maintain the racist immigrations practices which result in the USA receiving more immigrants from Mexico than all of the 180 other countries in the world combined.
RE: An American
written by Guest, May 30, 2006
I am a Brazilian living in the US.

Although I have met some white Mexicans, the majority is a mix or pure Indians and that causes some Americans to have some concerns about racial miscegenation. On the other hand, can you believe that even some Brazilians here discriminate the Mexicans?

By the other hand, the US is allowing a lot of people from India to get work visa and latter permanent visa. I worked with an engineer from India who came to US on a work visa and the company was able to get him a permanent visa although the process was not without problems.

At Intel, for example, the number of people from India is surprisingly high maybe because of the good business Intel has with India. This example shows that it is possible to get a visa to the US when you are well qualified professionally and your qualifications are in demand, especially in the high tech.

I believe that the tendency now on is to allow more skilled workers to get visas and create a restrict quota for farm workers. That is what people are talking on the radio here.

In the industries, people from Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia, for example, are very common working as blue collars. Their presence is noticeable here in my town, a lot of Asians. Sometimes I joke with my American friends that the Asians are silently invading the US while everyone focus on the Mexicans and Latinos.

Brazilians are everywhere in many professions however most of my compatriots here seems to have a preference for the commerce or food services. One thing is a fact, a mayor in New Jersey is quite happy with the presence of the Brazilians in his town after they have recovered the economy of a part of the city. I wish the Brazilians could do the same in Brazil, but that is a different story already extensively discussed here in previous forums.
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written by Guest, May 31, 2006
quote:

"A US immigration official recently boasted the success of a targeted enforcement action which reduced by 92% the number of Brazilians entering the government."

Entering the gov't.?? If you mean entering the U.S. I would have to see some numbers on that. I know one thing, that in the last 4-5 years brazilians have been the #1 perpetrators CAUGHT entering the U.S. illegally in the category known as OTM (other than Mexican).

IMO, any type of anmesty is not a good thing. You can't reward those for circumventing the system, while many of those that went/going through the system the correct way are still waiting in line.
Native Brazilian question
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
With the exception of native American Indians, all Americans are immigrants or decendents of immigrants.

Is the same true for Brasil? Is the majority of the country immigrant or decendents of immigrants? What is the process to immigrate to Brazil now?
Not quite right.
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
The "native American indians" also were immigrants, they just arrived much earlier, and in several waves.

The above questions remain about Brazil's policies.

The U.S. currently accepts 1,000,000 legal immigrants per year. The illegal immigrants number at least an additional 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 per year.

Is there "reciprocity" from Brazil?
Is there \"reciprocity\" from Brazil?
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
Yes there is "reciprocity", Americans take pride in their wealth, we take pride in our poverty.

Reciprocity com lemon!
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written by Guest, May 31, 2006
quote:

"The illegal immigrants number at least an additional 1,000,000 to 2,000,000 per year. "

Don't know about those numbers, but do know about these, after Bush made his speech about amnesty in december of last year, the number of illegals CAUGHT on the mexican/U.S. border went from an average of 200,000 per MONTH to 400,000 per month in the months of January and February of this year!!!
...
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
If properly questioned most Americans do not support illegal immigration/invasion.
We don\'t all think alike
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
What is this “properly questioned”? Do you mean it like? If properly questioned most Americans do not support the illegal invasion of Iraq. There is no “proper” way to ask such questions. In meaning so you would need one distinct answer. And illegal immigration/invasion on it’s very terms will never have a distinct answer.

As a U.S. born American I say come on over my South American friends. Please help me overthrow this government. The Americas need to unite. If a people should be expelled from our shores, it should be the Europeans. The smug looks on their faces. I see them all the time in NYC. They can buy their perfume at home, but they choose to come here, so they can talk bad about the place when they get home. Oh? You’re better then us? Then stay home on your next thirty day holiday. And take the inbred Bush family back with you. I’m just angry perhaps. This is no way to live. There has to be a better way.
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
There are about 55,000 legal immigrants from India to the USA and about 55,000 legal immigrants from China to the USA in a year and about 175,000 legal immigrants from Mexico, to the USA.
India has almost ten times the population of Mexico and China has more than 10 times the population of Mexico.
Yes, immigrants from other countries beside Mexico receive visas, but when you compare the amount of visas issued to Mexicans compared to the other countries in the world, there is rampant discrimination being practiced against non-mexicans.
In addition, there are more illegal immigrants entering the USA than legal ones. Over half of the illegal immigrants entering the USA are Mexicans. When a US immigrant boasts of the sucess of targeted enforcement programs, and cites a 92% reduction in illegal immigrants from Brazil, this is racist. Federal agents were sent from the USA to Brazil, to investigate airline employees and others involved in assisting Brazilians in illegally entering the USA. Even before the targeted crackdown on Brazilians, the number of Brazilians entering the USA was a trifling, compared to the millions of Mexicans that swarm across the border into the USA. When one country is the source of more illegal immigrants than the other 180 countries in the world combined, there is racist discrimination taking place in favor of the Mexicans and against non-Mexicans.
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
Correction to my last post: I meant to say a US Goverment immigration enforcement official boasted of the success of the targeted enforcement program against Brazilians. He was being interviewed on CNN and claimed that this targed program had reduced illegal immigration by Brazilians. I like Brazilians and was appalled at the way Brazil had been targeted for special enforcement action.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
amnesty for illegals in the USA has about a snow balls chance in hell of getting by the majority of americans and our congress!!!
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written by Guest, May 31, 2006
No other country in the world would allow a neighboring nation to dump millions of it's uneducated citizens on it's shores. The argument that the illegal workers do labor that American citizens don't want to do is false. I see illegal immigrants doing construction jobs that you used to have to be a craftsman(plumber,electrician,carpenter et.al)to do. The U.S. should insist that these illegal workers not be allowed to sent billions of dollars out of the country.
As to the poster that claims the resistance felt by Mexican illegal immigrants is racsist, that's crap. If Mexicans want to retain their culture then remain in Mexico. Besides being a Mexican isn't ethnic group.
If I went to Brazil I would learn the language and something about the country that would enable to relate to the people.
Mexicans in america insist on speaking spanish as if it were some sort of code. It's not. It's annoying.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
and to the poster who was appalled at brasilians being targeted at the mexican border.i say to you what the f**k were they there for anyway? To cross the border illegally and enter the usa pay their trafficers 10000us.then obtain fraudulent documents and proceed to commit a myriad of crimminal activities.Americans do not discriminate when it comes to illegal aliens we want them out no matter where they come from in the world.
Anwser to \"properly questioned\" questi
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
The person who wrote "If properly questioned most Americans do not support illegal immigration/invasion." probably was referring to a number of polls in the U.S. recently that had been constructed so that the responses from the persons being polled matched a pre-conceived result for the poll.

It is relatively easy to construct a set of polling questions that can yield a desired result. It's actually harder to construct a poll that gives an unbiased result.

I would suggest that poll writers consider making the extra effort to come up with a poll that will yield unbiased results if they want to be believed.

No Legalization for Undocumented People!
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
There is no way Congress will go along with the Senate bill, unless they want to be voted out of office in places like Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. 12 million social problems should go home!
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
amnesty for illegals in the USA has about a snow balls chance in hell of getting by the majority of americans and our congress!!!
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
To American Observer: The Brazilians were NOT targeted "at the Mexican Border". The USA government sent law enforcement agents to Brazil. If the US government was serious about defending the USA border with Mexico and deployed its resources there it would stop the invasion. Instead, it attempts to strain out non-Mexicans, while maintaining a porous border with Mexico. Rio de Janerio has 40,000 law enforcement officers,to protect just one city. Yet to defend our entire southern border from the invasion by illegal aliens, the US deploys only 12,000 or less border patrol agents. If the USA was truly serious about stopping illegal aliens,(and I wish it was) it would defend our Southern border with as many troups as it deploys to defend the Iraq people from each other. The US govenment has no intention of using these type of resouces to defend our border with Mexico. Instead, it uses a system which discriminates against non-mexicans to the point where more Mexicans illegally enter the USA, then from all of the rest of the Countries in the world. The US government has the miltary resources to protect defend and protect the USA border but it doesn't. It has even taken 400 border patrol agents off of the Southern Border and sent them to Iraq to defend Iraq. Meanwhile, who is defending the USA's border?
RE: An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
I agree with you. If the military of your country can spend billions of dollars to defend Iraq (or oil, whatever) then they should have the resources to protect the border without building a new "Berlin" wall.

As a Brazilian living in the USA, legally, I think that the Americans are doing to my people a huge favor in not allowing them to come here illegally by any means. Although I agree that if a Brazilian wants to immigrant to the US he/she should try it legally. I did and I got it.

I work here, pay my taxes and support the systems. There are Brazilians here who do not pay taxes and are buying properties in Brazil with the money "saved". That is not fair for the Americans and legal immigrants.

However, I think that sending back 12 million people is irrational. It is legally and economically expensive. What to do with the parents of US children? What to do with the children? The legal battles for every case would tax the American judicial system for years. The US is not a lawless country operated by an absolute power. Every immigrant caught illegally would have a right for a hearing. Could you imagine that to be done for millions of people? It will bring the system to a halt.

What about the economic costs of deporting everyone? You first need to arrest them (most will takes their changes in courts throughout the US), then you need to run a triage and identification (you do not want to send a Brazilian, for example, to Portugal or a Guatemalan to Salvador), you have to lock them for months while the INS bureaucratic process is on the way, you have to provide transportation, etc.

Then you have the human rights issues, parents of American children, etc.

Is there really an easy solution? I do not think so but you are free to think otherwise.
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
I agree that the issue of what to do with the illegal aliens currently in the USA is an intractable problem (and I think the commonly used estimate of 12 million is low). Just two years ago a figure of six million was commonly being used. The number of illegal aliens is literally climbing daily as they pour across the border from Mexico by the thousands daily.
The USA does have the resources to guard its border and the failure to do that only causes the problem of the illegal aliens in the USA to worsen as the number of illegal aliens in the USA increases by millions every year. I agree with the previous poster that it is unfair that American citizens, and legal resident aliens pay taxes, while many of the illegal aliens do not. While the illegal aliens from Mexico claim that they are bringing diversity to the USA the opposite is true. With more illegal aliens from Mexico streaming in than from all of the other 180 countries in the world combined, diveristy in the USA is drowning in a sea of illegal aliens from Mexico.
Rudeness is the weak man’s imitation of
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
“rancorous debate”....Name calling works for you as well I see. Perhaps you can join the ditto heads on the radio also?

“Fear fuels the Immigration Law debate in the United States these days.”.....Fear comes from the uneducated. We should certainly import more of the same.


racial discord.....What race would you be referring to? There have always been those who don’t like someone’s skin color. But for an intellectual argument to take place name calling should stay in the school yard. Now that you’ve called all who care to discuss this problem a name, would you care to now give us your enlighten solutions. I think France and other countries would love to hear your answers as well. Mr. Quintanilla, what number of illegals would satisfy you? When all the lower stratus of Americans are making $2.00 per hour? Less perhaps. There are aprox. how many of the worlds poor who would kill for the chance to come to America? Is that number enough for you?

U.S. English-speaking talk-radio shows strive for higher ratings when selectively dealing with Immigration Law by keeping the debate at a visceral level of opinion devoid of facts and legal analysis in a country in which "American Idol" attracts more viewers than a speech by President George W. Bush in support of reforming Immigration Law in the U.S......“Cesar Chavez was a Mexican American labor activist and leader of the United Farm Workers. During the 20th century he was a leading voice for migrant farm workers. His tireless leadership focused national attention on these laborers' terrible working conditions, which eventually led to improvements.”....As you can witness now, (especially in your beautiful state) there is no longer a union. All of his hard work was undone by...??? You tell me Mr. Quintanilla

“We only see what we look at. To look is an act of choice.”
american man
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
i have the perfect solution ,no more mexicans ,only brasilians to be allowed into the united states, our elected officials will stop this mess before the mid term elections come around, troops are already on the border watching ,
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
The USA was considered racist when it passed the Chinese exclusion act. It was also considered racist when it adopted immigration quotas that favored whites from Europe. Its current immigration inforcement policies (lack of adequate enforcement) favors mestizos from Mexico to such an extent that more of them enter the USA each year than all other immigrants from all of the other countries in the world. This favoring of mestizos from Mexico, over asians, africans, and europeans, is just as racist as previous policies that favored or excluded certain races.
Another American Man
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
I agree with American man's comment about letting in only Brazilians and the USA would be a better place.
In the alternative, since the USA isn't effectly enforcing its southern border, it should be fair and give everyone that wants to come the the USA a visa. Brazil is about the 5th or 6th most populous country in the world, so there are lots of Brazilians that could come to America. Likewise, Africans and Asians, and Europeans would also have an equal opportunity to immigrate to America. The current situation of lax southern border enforcement and strick visa requirements for those arriving by airplane, does vastly favor one country over all the rest.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
WE are soon poised to make serious severe punish ments for the hiring, harboring,and assisting illegal aliens in the usa.and to increase penalties for illegals no matter what country their from.document fraud verifications are being implemented as we speak.the noose is tighting the majority of americans want it and up to 85&#xof; americans cannot be discounted. dont delude yourself a storm is rising!
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
I agree that the vast majority of Americans want the immigration laws enforced. But the executive branch is not enforcing the current laws, and there is no guarantee that it would enforement new ones with bigger penalties. A few years ago the US Justice Department filed about 250 actions against employers for employing illegal actons. Last year it filed only four such cases. Laws with bigger penalties are good, but we also need new elected and appointed officials that will enforce the laws.
...
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
AS far as deporting 12 millions at once .that wont be necessary.we will do it one at a time.by all means necessary it is our right and it is our will! when you kick in the door of a rotten structure the whole building falls down!!
...
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
severe employer enforcements are now on their way!the momentum is rising!! stay tuned !! it is only a small number of american politicians talking amnesty, and they will soon face the vast american voters.
An American
written by Guest, May 31, 2006
Unfortunately, one of the ringleaders of politicians pushing Amesty is US Senator Chuck Hagel and he is not up for election this year. He even has the gall to deny that he is pushing amesty and that the claiming that a "path to citizenship" that he is pushing for illegal aliens is not amesty. I hope Sen. Hagel is voted out when he comes up for election. He even wants to run for president two years from now. Another supporter of the illegal aliens John McCain is also running for president two years from now. Is there going to be anyone running for president that wants to defend the borders and expell the illegal alien invaders?
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written by Guest, May 31, 2006
severe employer enforcements are now on their way!the momentum is rising!! stay tuned !! it is only a small number of american politicians talking amnesty, and they will soon face the vast american voters.
Nope!
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
You guys are talking like you know very little about your own country, the USA.

Are you guys really Americans?

Man, I want to see the US expelling 12 million people the way you guys wanted without consideration to the laws and constitution.

That will never happen!

Open your eyes to the reality of life and welcome the new world disorder.
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written by Guest, June 01, 2006
quote:

"Man, I want to see the US expelling 12 million people the way you guys wanted without consideration to the laws and constitution."

What? You're definitely speaking as if you have no idea about the laws and constitution of the United States.

Although it may be logistically impossible to deport 12 million illegals, as well as extremely costly, there is NOTHING illegal, nor unconstitutional, about deporting illegal aliens....it happens all the time, just because it would be done in mass doesn't change the laws, nor the constitutionality of the situation.

If it was illegal, or unconstitutional to deport illegals, listen how ridiculous that sounds, it certainly wouldn't be up for debate on the senate floor as well as bills that have already been passed that include the deportation of illegals in some form or another.
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written by Guest, June 01, 2006
good article but I don't think Bush or politicians give a "sh.." what Lula thinks about immigration.
Hey,Hey!!!!
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
Where is the article about the Brazilian army being ready to defend the Amazon region from invaders?

It was right here in Brazzil yesterday 05/31, but now it HAS VANISHED.

Didn´t my comments on endangered American forests please Brazzil´s staff???

Isn´t this a serious magazine???
No, no!
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
I did not write that it was legally impossible to deport 12 million people. I wrote that would be impossible to deport like the WAY people here suggested.

Why? Well, you cannot simply arrest and immediately deport any person in the US without any judiciary procedure. If you are an American then you know that well.

The US provides laws for any person to appeal in any circumstances. An illegal immigrant living in the US is a human being with rights to legal assistance.

Am I wrong? Please, tell me.

The immigration situation in the US is a political mess.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
no sovereign nation shall remain so without secure borders. the illegal s in the usa will return home to their countries through attrition . once they realize that they can,t drive , obtain a social security , bank , rec. any program , or work legally, then they will leave.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
no sovereign nation shall remain so without secure borders. the illegal s in the usa will return home to their countries through attrition . once they realize that they can,t drive , obtain a social security , bank , rec. any program , or work legally, then they will leave.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
no sovereign nation shall remain so without secure borders. the illegal s in the usa will return home to their countries through attrition . once they realize that they can,t drive , obtain a social security , bank , rec. any program , or work legally, then they will leave.
We don\'t all think alike
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
"AS far as deporting 12 millions at once .that wont be necessary.we will do it one at a time.by all means necessary it is our right and it is our will! when you kick in the door of a rotten structure the whole building falls down!!"

The building has already fallen for places like Brasil and México. And the rebuilding is at a very slow pace. There are walls, but no roof or door. People who have lived with these conditions for decades are more prepared for basic human survival. The U.S. on the other hand is rotting at a faster pace than it’s people can comprehend. A vast majority of the U.S. population have no idea how to survive at the level needed for anything lower than their currant individual living status. At the current rate of progress I give the U.S. perhaps forty more years. Things may change, but not likely.

There will be a Free Land once again in this part of the Americas. But it won’t happen until the U.S. as we know it falls. The U.S. has and will win a few more battles along the way, but it will ultimately lose the war.
What?
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
Porra meu seu ingles mostra que vc e um Burro! Concerteza vc veio pela fronteira pq eu nao entendi focas nenhuma de seu papo!
RE: para o mane de...
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
...We don't all think alike....you should a least think better by yourself before putting a thing like that...By the way, whenever the congress pass the Immigration bill, and you will be able to ask for a green card, and wait some 8 years to get..I could help you to get it faster, but I don't want a f**king racist Brazilian living illegaly in the US and thinking you f**king know all, working next to me, I sure hope they do sort a test to send your ass back to Brazil, I prefer some poor Brazilian with less education than yours! By the way, nao e seu ingles que mostra q vc e um Burro, mais o que vc escreveu nao tem comeco, nem meio, e um fim escroto!
RE: What?
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
This is interesting.

You criticized the poster for his/her English but then you write something like
"Concerteza ". Is that supposed to be Portuguese?
We don\'t all think alike
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
Born and raised in U.S. Both grandparents on both sides born and raised in U.S. as well. Of strong Latin American and Indian (Native American*) blood. I don’t know it all, I just call it as I see it. Oh, the papers and books keep me informed, but experience is the greatest teacher. Laziness, NYC public schools, or just the likeness to confuse is to blame for my poor English. From reading other posts, perhaps? No, probable I’m just lazy. I apologize if that offends you.
It was not my intent to sound racist towards Brazilians or Mexicans. Too Europeans yes, for the rape, murder, and torture of the peoples of what is now known as the Americas. Please read the post carefully, perhaps there was a miscommunication. “” usually means quote from another poster. “” is not necessarily the responder’s opinion, usually the contrary. * most American Indians dislike this label.
Just in case
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
Quote from other poster:
"AS far as deporting 12 millions at once .that wont be necessary.we will do it one at a time.by all means necessary it is our right and it is our will! when you kick in the door of a rotten structure the whole building falls down!!"

Response:
The building has already fallen for places like Brasil and México. And the rebuilding is at a very slow pace. There are walls, but no roof or door. People who have lived with these conditions for decades are more prepared for basic human survival. The U.S. on the other hand is rotting at a faster pace than it’s people can comprehend. A vast majority of the U.S. population have no idea how to survive at the level needed for anything lower than their currant individual living status. At the current rate of progress I give the U.S. perhaps forty more years. Things may change, but not likely.

There will be a Free Land once again in this part of the Americas. But it won’t happen until the U.S. as we know it falls. The U.S. has and will win a few more battles along the way, but it will ultimately lose the war.

Notice how I do it without resorting to name calling to the individual. He is entitled to his opinion and his interpretation of facts and law. As well as the rest of the posters here.
RE Just in case
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
I am a Brazilian living in the USA (legally, by the way) and I am 100% of the European stock.

One day, (Paul McCartney influence?) we are not going to have boundaries between nations and people will be able to move around freely (always legally) for reasons of work, family or preference. Call me a dreamer.

We Don\'t Just Dream
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
I too have the same dream. Usually it’s followed by nightmares of Bush and his greed and moral obsessed frat brothers. Suddenly a vision comes over me… I see his fanatical/political likeness in the Whitehouse for another twenty or so years. The situation in the U.S. will only get worse before the revolution. Sad also is that our nation’s atrocities affect other counties as well. And developing countries are the worst hit.
My encounters with Europeans both in the U.S. and abroad have never gone well. I should not lump them all as Euro. As it has been mostly with people from France, Spain, Germany, and Italy. When discussion comes to politics and world affairs the U.S. is talked as being the worst of evil and South America as that problem over there. When reminded who colonized/traded/slaved this part of the world and other countries as well its as if they have lost all memory.
But this is nice… words is what its all about, no stone throwing, and people should not fear saying what they feel.
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written by Guest, June 01, 2006
quote:


"The U.S. on the other hand is rotting at a faster pace than it’s people can comprehend. A vast majority of the U.S. population have no idea how to survive at the level needed for anything lower than their currant individual living status. At the current rate of progress I give the U.S. perhaps forty more years. Things may change, but not likely."


HAHAHA!!!

what a baffoon!!! Look at the rest of the world meu bem!!!!

Then compare it with the U.S.!! The U.S. is "LIGHT YEARS" ahead of any and all in comparison with any other county of its size and geography.

The U.S. will fall??? I'll lay you a bet....not in YOUR lifetime!
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 01, 2006
to the poster hoping the usa to fall. to imply that the worlds number one superpower with its overwhelming military, economy, and majority rule democracy. to imply this ignorant rant is typical of a impotent third world socialist/communist! we have allready defeated you down to a mumbling idiot who can only throw rocks and run and hide like a coward in the face of americas superior force
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written by Guest, June 01, 2006
THANK GOD FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
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written by Guest, June 01, 2006
If illegal aliens be the worlds "one world", Globalist, socialist, communist, assault on america then americas response will be as it has in all its threats in the past.and the world is well aware of the fact in its entire history it has never been defeated!
Born and raised in U.S.
written by Guest, June 02, 2006
It’s not hope. The U.S. is bankrupting itself at an alarming rate. A majority of its people are not only mentally weak believing everything their told they are physically weak as well. Consumerism plagues them to the next trend. The social/economical gap widens as you’re told it narrows. Among the U.S.’s other situations. I’m not usually a gambling man, but this is one bet I’ll take.

Also I do not throw rocks and run. If it comes to it, I will gladly take a fist to the jaw first, but I must warn it will be the last thing that person will ever hit.

Furthermore, you “THANK GOD FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”, you would thank that bastard wouldn’t you.

Again we resort to name calling. It has fallen to this.
From U.S. to U.S.
written by Guest, June 02, 2006
Quote:
“…and majority rule democracy.”
Quote:
“.and the world is well aware of the fact in its entire history it has never been defeated!”


Yes majority rule democracy we have indeed. A majority of big business interests rule this democracy.
The system of this superpower with its overwhelming strengths as we know it today will be defeated by its own military, economic, and political weaknesses.
Stop waving your flag long enough to actually absorb the things that are going on around here. Soon the very freedoms that allow us to communicate in such a manner will be taken away by the very hand you so proudly protect.
An Amerian
written by Guest, June 02, 2006
There is a previous post that says that USA, has never been defeated. I am old enough to remember the Vietnam War. In the end, the USA lost that war and North Vietnam won the war. The USA is currently under an invasion of the worst kind. A civilian invasion. In military invasions, the local population usually outnumbers the military invaders and is able to conduct a guarilla type warfare, that eventually succeds, although in some instances it takes decades or even centuries.However, in a civilian invasion the invaders come in such vast numbers that they eventually displace the local population. The native american Indians experianced this when Europeans, who were just looking for a better life, settled what is now Canada, the USA and Australia. Now, the USA is being overun by Mexicans, who refer to American citizens as "the natives".
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 02, 2006
The usa did not loose the viet nam war militarily. it pulled out because of the whing of a clique of communist loving ass kissers. Americans will not fall for this s**t again.
AMERICAN OBSERVER
written by Guest, June 02, 2006
BRASIL, BRASIL, WHAT IS A BRASIL? NO WONDER PORTUGAL PULLED AWAY FROM YOU.IT WAS DONE BASTARDIZING YOU AND LEAVING YOU. WITH THE LEGACY OF A CULTURE of WHORES.
from U.S. to U.S.
written by Guest, June 03, 2006
The Europeans came here with investment in land and resources in mind. The Indians saved them from the harsh winter and terrain. In return the Europeans gave them smallpox. Then the Indians fought back when the Europeans wanted to enslave them. Calling the Indians savages for fighting back the Europeans just started to kill them outright. That’s the short version.
No one wins a war there is only the lesser of the two losers.
If you open your mind to Brasil perhaps you won’t be so taken by her.
USA ULTRA SUPERPOWER
written by Guest, June 03, 2006
the only thing americans give a damn about you is your hordes of crimminal illegal aliens crossing our borders.their propensity for fraudelent documents , their drain on our social services, their tax law violations, etc.,etc., All while we hear of your vile anti americanism! And do you really think americans care about your visa req. in retaliation for our cutting off your hordes violating our passport laws! our state department has you on a list of countries that americans should use caution when visiting.we don,t give a damn about you little impedint mutts.
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written by Guest, June 05, 2006
... or correct spelling, either.
The Americas Will Be One
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
That’s one of the many things wrong with this country. A lot of people I’ve encountered think just like you. Its amazing once someone is here long enough its give me, give me, give me, I want what’s mine and screw the other guy. Sir, you have great ultra superpower American values. Greed! This is yet another reason the U.S. will ultimately fail. Patriotism is giving way to fanaticism. People like you are no better than the fundamentalist Israelis, Palestinians, Islamic extremists, Christian fundamentalists, etc… I will stay in the U.S. as this is my grandparent’s birthplace. I will not run to Amsterdam or some other haven people like you so seem to enjoy. I will be picking up the pieces in the aftermath, helping to make the Americas the place it is meant to be. Forty years, I’ll be around to see to it. Will you?
RE: USA ULTRA SUPERPOWER
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
Is this guy a Power Ranger?
An American
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
Maybe he is a power ranger. In times like this, America needs some superheros. And by the way, it is NOT the Brazilians that are illegally pouring across the border by the millions. It is the Mexicans that are invading the United States. There are more illegal aliens from Mexico than from all of the other 180 countries in the world combined.
Sick of Ultra U.S. Americans
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
Oh! Like the Goverminator? And what constitutes an illegal person? What exactly is An American anyway? I would think anyone from North America, Central America, or South America could lay claim to this. If you are so inclined as to divide up land and say who can legally go where, either declare or shut the f**k up. An American is a pretentious bulls**t title. State where the f**k you are from. Hey everyone I’m An American! Well, I’m An Earthling so go f**k yourself!
- New York City
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written by Guest, June 05, 2006
No you'er an idiot!
This is what I thinK
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
This is what I think: http://www.interligados.hpg.ig...uguesa.htm
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written by Guest, June 05, 2006
I't's you're an idiot, idiot!
RE: Sick of Ultra U.S. Americans
written by Guest, June 05, 2006
Obvoiusly you haven't been to Brazil much. Brazilians usually call us "Americanos". I've introduced myself as "Norte Americano", and was corrected (to paraphrase): "Oh no, you're Americano".

Maybe you would rather be called a "United States of American"? The U.S. is the only nation in the western hemisphere with the word "America" in it's name, that's why we're stuck with the title.
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written by Guest, June 05, 2006