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A Danger in Brazil: Splitting into Two Races PDF Print E-mail
2004 - November 2004
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Thursday, 07 October 2004 13:41

School in BrazilHidden behind accounts in the press and the government's Diário Oficial, the real Brazil is being built.  The country is on the road towards an ever more participatory, responsible democracy. 

The economy is growing, and in a short time we will be competitive in high-tech industries; agriculture is turning us into a world granary, tourism will contribute increasingly to the national revenue. 

But it will be difficult for our per-capita income to meet that of the First World countries, or that of the new rich that form a New Second World. 

Brazil will continue as the champion of income concentration.  We are not undergoing a tragedy like Africa's, but neither are we distributing income in a rational, sustainable manner.

Education—the only instrument capable of changing the income distribution pattern—will show improvement in the number of students enrolled, the number completing high school, the number of college-admission candidates. 

But those improvements are insufficient to reduce the distance between rich and poor, or the growing gap between our education level and that of countries making a serious investment in educating their people.

By maintaining the present course, we will not be exporters of science and technology, except for isolated sectors; we will not be great producers of art; nor will we win more Olympic medals. 

Healthcare will certainly undergo improvements in quality and universalization of delivery, but housing conditions will not make great progress.  The cities, above all, tend towards urban chaos, and crime—both organized and petty— is becoming uncontrollable.

Surprisingly, two sectors are advancing and give signs of growth:  solidarity and organizing.  The last few years have shown an increase in the organization of society and in socially responsible actions on the part of the wealthiest Brazilians. 

But social responsibility does not necessarily evolve from mere assistance into transformation.  And the social organizing can increase corporativism, each group fighting for its own interests and ignoring—even tearing—the social fabric.

Despite this greater organizing and solidarity, the growing distance between the extremes can be foreseen:  the 10% richest, families with an average monthly salary of 5,600 reais (US$ 1982), and the 50% poorest, families that receive an average of 272 reais (US $96) a month. 

Even graver, is the growing distance in access to, and quality of essential services according to social class. 

If urgent changes are not made, that will be the most serious tendency for the future:  an inequality so great that it will consolidate the rupture of the Brazilian species into two groups that will not recognize each other. 

More than unequal, they will be distinct; they will form different races in culture and in interests. 

This tendency has been evident for years, and for years we have insisted in maintaining that course, despite the illusion of the political rituals, the economic data, and the timid advances in education and healthcare.

But even if we are ever more distant from the countries forming the New Second World, we have the resources to reorient our destiny and all the conditions are present to do so. 

We will not catch up to the countries that changed course in the twentieth century, but we can reorient our own twenty-first century.

It is a shame that the superficiality of politics impedes us from making the change that Brazil needs.  Despite his pledge and the hope that it inspired in us, in August the President of the Republic vetoed a modest Social Shock contained in the federal budget for 2005. 

He refused to indicate a new course, leaving us tragic projections as to where we are going and weighed down by pessimism about the reality they seem to portend.

Cristovam Buarque  has a Ph.D. in economics. He is a PT senator for the Federal District and was Governor of the Federal District (1995-98) and Minister of Education (2003-04). You can visit his homepage -  www.cristovam.com.br – and write to him at cristovam@senador.gov.br

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome - LinJerome@cs.com.



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Canadas pride
written by Guest, February 26, 2005
I keep hearing about how bad Africa has become, and about the ravages it has suffered at the hands of European colonialism. "This in large part, is not true".countries like Ghana and Nigeria have never been ravaged by european colonialism, but rather, meary tainted by the european presence. I can't get over the they way many Brazilians(with their incidiously racist views) just love to compares their country with the African contenent.I think that this so called "African tragety" which is so widely perpetuated in your country, Is no more than a myth up held by wishful thinking Bralizians to make them selfs feel better about their own countries short comings. The truth is , "AFRICA IS A CONTINENT AND NOT A COUNTRY". For Brazilians to compare their country with the African continent is not only rediculse, but proposterously misleading;" START COMPARING AFRICA WITH SOUTH AMERICA, AND THEN SPEAK". " BRAZILIANS JUST LOVE THEIR EUROPEAN HERITAGE" so much so that they tend to forget exactly which part of Europe they came from.Portugaul is not exactly a world power in modern times. In fact Portugaul happens to be the poorest country in all of Europe,even more so than countries like Yugoslavia and Croatia. Even when Portugaul was a wealthy power, the country was still a racially mixed society,because of it's African Moore and middle eastern Arab conqouerers. Being from Canada, the whole notion of Brazil being a racially divided country almost seems laughable. A year ago I didn't even know Brazil was a country of diffrent races, just dark Brazilian and Light Brazilians,with very little distinction between the two. Now I'm starting hear that Hispanic Brazilians regard themselves as beeing better than Black Brazilians, which was surpiseing. I understand that the slave trade may have alot to do with this. I also know that the majority of Brazilians- both black and white- are poorly educated and know little or nothing about slavery and it's place in human society,both in acieant times, and recent times. Beleave it or not whites at time were a primary source of slaves for the world.In fact, the very word slave is a derivitive of the word slav.The slavic people are a white race of men in eastern europe,(Poles,Russians,czechs,lithuainians,croations,Yu
ogo Slavs, Slavakians ect.) used to be sold in the middle east ,north and central Africa, and at time even as far south as West Africa. Middle eastern peoples such as the Persians and Turks were also used as slaves at a time, by Islamic and Mongolian traders. They to were also traded in Africa as far as Ghana and Nigeria by slave trading Arabs. I'm also sure that the Portugese, were also used as slaves by their Moore and Arab conquorers. Dispite what hispanics in brazil think about Blacks, they are not a bastardised people from a Ravged continent; but rather the victems of greedy African Kings with no problem selling the people of other tribes in to bondage. The vikings used to do the very same thing. In other words "IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS THOUGH IT WERE"
Canada\'s Pride
written by Guest, February 26, 2005
I wouldn't be surprised if this growing rift between social classes in Brazil eventually lead to civil war. This is usually how they start.Take Russian Communism and the fall of the aristicrocy , as well as the rise of communism in Cuba, and the fall of colonialism in Santo Dimingo; all began this way. Brazilians need to learn to become more and more uncomfortable with the countries social policies, because this may prevent potential conflict in the future. Hundras,El salvdor, Venezuela,Chili,Cuba, and if step aren't taken, Brazil will also be added to the list
Keep in mind, I am only twenty years old ,but even I have enough for sight site to see the implications of a socialially segragated country with such a large black and mulatto population. It is potentially dangerous, not to mention unfair. check out www.brazzil.com/content/veiw/8918/ 76/ and keep an eye out for Canadian guy.
Nothern view
written by Guest, March 03, 2005
First, your bashing on Portugal and portuguese was unnecessary. I'm not a fan of Portugal mylsef, but you'll not make yourself heard by bashing people.

Second, I garantee that portuguese are just as white, as xenophobe and as racist as any other people in Europe. This of a "mixed" society is crap, and as far I know, there's something called "The reconquest" from the Iberic peninsula occupied territories in the past, where the Moors were kicked off big time, in the "spanish-style kill kill kill" (also applied with american natives).

Third, living in this country all my life I'm sure that any hard working black, studying hard and strugling all his life, will do well in life.

black do not equal poor
mulatto do not equal poor

Fourth, "Hispanic" Brasilians (from Latin Hispania - Spain). This ridiculous american term used for segregating the toilet clearners mexicans from the rest of the people cannot be applied here. Or else you'd need to say Luso-brasilians (from Portugal, from latin Lusitania), germanic-brasilians (from German, from latin Germania), italic-brasilians (from Italy, from latin Italia), afro-brasilians (from Africa) and so on.

Fifth, yes I do have black ancestors and Indians besides whites and I tell you this, those who work, study, and fight all life do well, those that prefer to drink everyday, chase woman, or are just plain vagabonds are underachievers.

This "fairness" crap makes me sick to my stomack.
A 20year old Canadian guy
written by Guest, March 12, 2005
Dispite weather the Moor & Arabs were eventually booted from the Ibean Countries of Europe doens't change the fact the they ruled over that part of Europe for EIGHT HUNDREDEi YEARS. If it wasen't for French savages,chances are that part of europe would still under their rule. I Am from Cananda, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brizilian of Portugese decent I would be able to tell in a instant; in this country I am regarded as being non white as would you be.That doesn't necissarially imply anything negitve, in fact in this country it is rather refreshing, But I still can not get over how much you Brazilian love to ragard youself as being white, espesically you "Northern view". I am a peace loving individual, and I am not looking to offend you in anyway, but you are the perfect example of what I mean. You are mixed, Not white, and I cannot understand why you do not just say so, insted of dancing around the subject." Kill kill kill"(kkk) seems to me to just be your way of denieing what you truly are, and that is not White,; the KKK in the U.S. Would also be looking to kill kill kill you, my friend. I beleave you and all other non white Brazilians who go out of their way to pose as whites, are nothing more than pathetic "WANNA BES". Latin Germania? what the f**k are you talking about? you sound like nothing more than a wishful thinking Brazilian to me.My question is why? I am a quarter Australian,and a quarter Russian, but I don't go around posing, I can not see any reason why I would want to. This fairness crap makes you sick? I would love to see you take a trip back in time to the old Southern united states as yourself, and then say that. You must really beleave you are White! I think it's kind of funny. Get a grip,insted of apposing your decent you should try and do what you can to help. I find it very repugnent to see people of European ancestry in the position they are in tody, espcially when recalling the backward and often revolting methods which they used to gain their power, I mean, A musket, desease and exceedingly low morals should not be enough to win anybody's respect. I am jsut so surprised at how people like you and so many other Brazilian love to deny themselves.

Europeans aren't exatly Xenophobic, North americans on the other hand are another story.Most Eoropean people I know have not been raised to regard race as anything in particular, Unlike Americans, And as I discover, Brazilians. I love European people, some of my closest friends are European, and let me tell you, they often dislike North Americans as much as I do or more( me,moderatly).They often will go out of their way to included me as one of them, before I correct them or set the record straight. If only more Brazlians would do the same, then maybe this artical would have never been written.

You should except that you are mixed and not white, you should also except that most Ibeabn Europeans(not all) are also of a mixed racial backround. If I can, I would like to qoute a white supermist that I have read, and I qoute(more or less)"Southern Europeans are no longer part of the White race, they have been "mongrelised" by years of rule by Black Moore And Brown Arabs". In fact even if you still consider yourself to be white, I would strongly suggest otherwise, because anywhere else in the world you will only be ridiculed for pretending. At the very least you are a mongrel, "there I said it". In the U.S. you are a n****r or a Spick (one or the other), in Canada, you are confused; to me, you are in denile. Mind you, I know alot more on the subject then most Candian's my age. In fact, my peers would be surprised to know that I could even write something like this, "but that is irrelevent".
20year old Canadian guy
written by Guest, March 13, 2005
Please, excuse the minor mistakes on my last post, it was written rather quickly.
seen the problem
written by Guest, April 07, 2005
The problem is the ill fated non recognition that the afro-Brasilieros have in Brasileiro society. The love of the European culture is romantic and very respectable, however, there is a problem when peoplpe are put into classes. The society puts the poor into one classand the rich into the other. It's not race against race, but the classification of Real signs and on those bills the faces are placed or not. It's very sad to see this and many and all the problems of the country are apparent because of this. The rich, light skinned, are the very insignificant minority that co0ntrl the entire population. The African heritage in this country is beautiful and the Brasileiro culture would not exist without it. If those Brasilian want a war, through separation, this is what they will get and the vital signs of this inevitable outcome are already in place. It's very sad to see the 10 percent controling the rest. And if Rich Brasilians think that this is the way, they had better think twice, because that throne will not be standing for long if you do not take care of your people, Black or White. This is also an oddity, even to think of, since Brasilians and so interconnected that finding color differentiations is like,choosing a group trees and trying to find differences in greens in order to classify which tree is actually a tree. Self-destructive is the Human condition and racial discrimination is one of the saddest methods of classification in history. Human beings are human beings no matter what color charts are made to define them.
Races in Brazil
written by Guest, April 14, 2005
I think it is no surprise to experience the idolation of the European origin by most 'lighter' brown people in Brazil.

Quoting 'Canadas Pride' above: "the majority of Brazilians- both black and white- are poorly educated and know little or nothing about slavery and it's place in human society,both in acieant times, and recent times."
The 'normal' people (middle- and lower class) complain about the corruption of the police and 'higher' class people. Witch i think is mostly justified.

But on the other hand, if you ask about the people who lived in South America before the 'colonisation' by (mostly) the Portugees they have only a faint idea about them.
In the north-east (this is the region i visit most) i did not come across a museum who displays anything more than a few old drawings of indians. On the other hand, everyone can say of the top of there head, the first Portugese captain who set food on Brazilian soil, where and when. Continuing with the next governors and so on.
When asking theire opinion about this, (most) Brazilians say that the people before the colonisation did not do anything with the country, thus, there is no problem with the extinctin of them...
When stating that, well lets face it, even today Brazil does not mean much viewing on the export of technology or other things it would then be alright that 'we' ( i am from Europe - Belgium ) do it again, and making them our new slaves; it would be no problem for them.
And that they are 'slaves' to the few percent rich people in Brazil.
I get no answer...

Mind you, i do not blame these people of thinking by that way. I am convinced that it is a lack of poor education!
Also, everything they see on tv regarding wealth and beauty ar all played by 'white' actors.

First of all people should be educated about the complete history of the country they live in, and the relationship with other countrys.
Mayby then they will have a more clearer view of the situation they live in and find a way how they can change it for the better.

As a European inhabitant, i think the beauty of Latin American people lies in the mixture of the races and cultures from the past. Not the lack teroff.
Pitty they sometimes forget this...

__just my 2 cents__
my ideas
written by Guest, May 11, 2005
my ideas
hola me llamo deric "coogi" and i have this idea for a video game. based in SOUTH AMERICA. i really want to give this idea to any company that will take my idea. i dont want the money, but at least my name under the credits. please please somebody email me with any suggestions or companies that will take my idea. this idea will put SOUTH AMERICA in the spotlight up here in NORTH AMERICA. e mail me and we can do this. i dont want no money but my name under the credits. hasta luego.
to 20 year old Canadian guy!
written by Guest, May 24, 2005
You are such a narrow minded idiot! You live in Canada and if it wasn't for the U S A -your snow blown country would melt into the gulf! You are jus like alot of Brasilans,Eurpennises and a few Canadians.You want to blame all your problems on America.I live in Texas,as a 60 year old black man,I know about racisim first hand.It's gotten alot better in America for blacks,THE MAIN PEOPLE USING THE WORD n****r -ARE YOUNG BLACK RAPPERS,not white people.I travel all over the world with my job! I was never treaty worse then in several Canadian coutries,it reminded me of when I was in South Africa in the 1970's!I was also treaty very bad in Brasil and Columbia.I just don't blame the rest of the people of those countries,for the actions of a few,you watch American telivision and you think you know America! You know nothing,until you open your eyes and your mind!
It\'s all in the genes
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
If you're born with bad genes and crappy brain cells, you're doomed. It's how it works. Always have. Always will.
Look around you. Unfortunately not everyone is the same. If it were the case, everyone would be healty, well-off, rich, intelligent and decent.
It takes all kinds. Just look at yourself and live to your best potential, regardless of the color of your skin.
What you are is what you are.
It\'s all in the genes
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
If you're born with bad genes and crappy brain cells, you're doomed. It's how it works. Always have. Always will.
Look around you. Unfortunately not everyone is the same. If it were the case, everyone would be healthy, well-off, rich, intelligent and decent.
It takes all kinds. Just look at yourself and live to your best potential, regardless of the color of your skin.
What you are is what you are.
20year old Canadian guy
written by Guest, May 27, 2005
the problem here is that there is this idea that what americans regard as white equals white. which is completely wrong, there are more europeans than americans, and all europeans consider anyone and everyone in europe to be white i.e. caucasian, this goes from sweden, to greece to portugal. Somewhere down the line americans have further segregated the white race and considered only blonde and blue eyed northern europeans white. Skin colour is not a determinant of race. there are japanese who have whiter skin than some english for example. one must take alot more genetic determinants into play when considering what race a person is; like bone structure, nose shape etc.. Yes ofcourse there are alot of white brasilians, as far as i know nearly 50% of the population. there have been millions of people who have migrated from all over europe there and have not mixed within ethnic groups. are you saying therefore that as soon as they cross the atlantic they suddenly become mixed race? about south europeans being mongralised, that is absolutely ridiculous, just travel to any of these countries and see for yourself. bottom of the line is if you are to classify races which in itself is ridiculous, any peoples native of europe are caucasian/white ... to call iberians as not white cause they may have a darker tan is to classify red heads with freckles as another race aswell. ridiculous.
My View
written by Guest, May 31, 2005
The Brazilian people need to wake up and look at the real problem the wealthy minority controlling the majority
The Race Myth
written by Guest, June 16, 2005
Scientists are unable to classify people by race because
humans are all descended from the same African
stock. Skin color is not race. Every human is of
mixed origins or "race", as gene studies indicate.
Chip Korngiebel in Sitka, Alaska
written by Guest, June 27, 2005
Yes we have bigots and close minded people in the U.S. even up here in Alaska sorry to say. Just look at the our govenor and his Daughter. Its an axces of evil. You seem to miss the point of the artical. As a nation you don't care for those who for what ever reason can not care fore themselves. Allow them the right to a good education, Health care, a safe place to live. If we take from a father and or mother the right to care for thier family and themselves. When you take from a person any chance to truly succeed no matter how small. That person will say the hell with this and revolt. Have we become the people our parents warned us about.
I learned back in 1986 when was still in the Coast Guard just of the coast of Nicaragua. We are not a democracy and haven't been one for quite some time.
Heres a few quote's from the past. Which have been lost to greed.
" Fear to do ill,
and you need fear
Nought else"
Benjamin Franklin

" Observe good
faith and justice
toward all nations"
George Washingtons farwell speech

"I have sworn......
Hostility against ever
form of Tyranny
over the mind of man"
Women I might add
Thomas Jefferson

Last but not least
"Those who Deny
Freedom to others
Deserve it not
for themselves"
Abraham Lincoln
Sadly my goverment has lost respect for its selve and for its people.
Chip

PS Cananda the way you treat your women you haven't got much room to talk!
20year old canadian guy is an idiot
written by Guest, July 28, 2005
I think 20 year old Canadian guy takes the stance he does because it is so uncool to be classified as white that even many recent ethnic whites in North America no longer want to be considered as white. It has gotten so bad that I saw an article about race in a leading American magazine where they quoted a polish immigrant in high school who claimed she wasn't white but "polish". I'm sure Mr. Canada is just one of those want to be "original gangstas" of greek, or italian decent, who grew up on MTV and wants so bad to not be white because it is not considered cool. Race has always been subjective however I have found that in Canada it has always been stricter than in the supposedly strict USA. For example most people of italian decent in canada are not always considered white however in the US most people would say italian is white. In addition I know many people in the US who have indian blood who are considered white. In fact sorry to dissapoint mr. canada but I actually know southerners who are white who have indian ancestory and who's grandparents unfortunantely were in the KKK. In addition learn something about a Brazil before you start telling them what they are and are not. Brazil has a ton of people of german decent that is why the guy made the comment about germanic brazilians. Not all brazilians of europeans decent came from portugal in fact many are decendents of Russians, switzerland , finland and even some english and french. I know it is hard for someone as stupid as you to grasp this, but North America was not the only place europeans wanted to immigrate to. The division of wealth between North America and South America 50 years ago was not near as big as it is know. Take a south american history and economics classe buddy and learn to think a little more before shooting your mouth off as if you were some kind of authority. And remember, it's not so bad being white. Now go back to chillin with your homies.
Canadian Guy you are one ignorant f**k!
written by Guest, August 21, 2005
You know the comment about Hispanic Brasilians, I just want to understand the comment about Mexican Toilet Cleaners. That to me was very offensive being Mexican American myself, comments like these really says alot about your knowledge and mentality you ignorant bastard.
Brasil is that bad!
written by Guest, September 07, 2005
I am a black american going to brasil and you all are saying brasil is a real racist place. I am shocked it hought it was laid back.
Help me out on this?
moving to brazil
written by Guest, September 13, 2005
I am black british and visiting brazil in oct. Northeast. I am very concerned by some of the comments made in terms of racisim.
I visited in May of this year and expected some hostility but experienced none,just happy laid back people.
do your comments about racisim pertain to certain areas . I was considering staying with my children for 4months.
Ignorant people
written by Guest, September 19, 2005
We are not talking about the hispanic or the black or the indian people of Brasil. I say that Brasil has German people, A LOT, Italian, Slavic, french as so blacks, indian and portugueses. And They are ALL part of the brasilian race. One more thing: we Were colonized by Portugal, but the racist people in Brasil That keep talking about an european heritage, are not talking about an portuguese heritage. Ask in the countryside of Rio Grande do Sul. Take this as you want. And learn more about Brasil before sayng s**t, speacially those north americans(NOT Canada And México), that don't even study world Geography in school.
...
written by Guest, October 02, 2005
splitting the country into two races??? what about the Jews and seceret jews by chance don't they like to cloak and pit races against each other?? how about the highlander day school?? the bela Kun Jew controlled Hungary that predates hitler??? look at the media you will find more parrot noses there than in the Amazon!!
A danger of splitting
written by Guest, October 05, 2005
The indigenous peoples in Canada have embarked on a quest to form their own government. This is a result of great oppression and colonization, as well as casting them into reservations like animals. This has fuelled a bitter hatred for the British style of government in this country, which also threatens to split the country. Brazil on the other-hand ought not to do this to the natives, nor should the natives accept this limited lifestyle of being corralled like cattle. All of Brazil ought to belong to all the different peoples of Brazil that had a hand in settling it. To show any one group as an exclusive owner of any large tracts of land, whether be Indigenous, Europeans or even mega companies, divides the country and could potentially lead to great civil strife and the tearing apart of the country itself. This is against all integration of people which I understand that at least thirty percent of Brazil is Mullato. Let us not make the mistake of Canada and the White/Black US.
Brasil is that bad!/moving to brazil
written by Guest, October 27, 2005
Yes, Brazil is laid back. Brazilians have an admiralbly high level of social skills. This is what tourists experience and rave about. It was told that it is only as one adjusts to permanantly living there that the truth hits home. But 4 months should be a breeze (re:moving to brazil). Racism's everywhere. I'm black and love going to Brazil. I'd love to live there a while despite the harsh realities of life. One more note: the author of the article above is very short-sighted if he thinks "the rupture of the Brazilian species into two groups that will not recognize each other" is not already a centuries-old reality. There are anywhere from 700 to 1000 Quilombos(communities of decsendants of escaped ex-slaves which were independent and self-sustaining for decades during slavery) spread out all over Brazil, which are cut off from Brazilian society, invisible to most, like the "Untouchables/blacks" of racist India. Brazil has the highest population of Blacks in the world outside of the "country" of Nigeria! Two groups, unequal and distinct, exist already in Brazil and have for a long long time. Haves/Have nots. But it's not stopping me from my next trip in November!
a view of Brazil by a Black American
written by Guest, October 31, 2005
I've made a short trip to Brazil two yeras ago, i was appalled by the situation of Bkack people oveer there.During my stay there I've never seen a black person driving a car or eating at a restaurant as a matter of fact the black population of these two cities were completely invisible except at the outskirts as you enter the cities when you pass by delapidated houses, slums etc. My friends and I were really amazed at always being the only black faces at restaurants, malls (yes even malls!!!).
From what we've seen the population is very mixed, the average person you see in the streets is a combination of the different ethnicities that have come to this part of the world, however it seems that the wealth of the country is concentrated among the people of european descent, these are the ones you mostly see eating out at restaurants, frequenting night clubs, vacations hubs like Florianapolis.
We've had a good experience there, we were treated with respect and we never felt in any ways ill regarded because we were black. In any case we came back to the US with the idea that the Black Brazilians are completely marginalized and we got an added appreciation of how far the US has gone in terms of race relations and the overall improvement of its Black population.
re: a black america
written by Guest, November 06, 2005
good comment. As a white american who has lived in brazil for the past 3 years(both in the predominantely white south and the predominantely black and mixed state of bahia in the northeast), I've often wondered how black americans veiwed brazil, when they visited. What you said above is very true, you do only see white people, for the most part in positions of power and wealth. The one thing I would add though is that although this is true, brazilians on average whether black or white are in general much more comfortable with each other than your average american. I think that has to do with the fact that although you do have black and white you also have a huge ground of mixed people in the middle, which serves to connect the black and white populations in a way. Although there are distinct elements to black brazilian and white brazilian culture, they are much more mixed than in the US and this, I believe softens the racism some. Although I would never say it doesn't exist.
re: a view by a black american
written by Guest, November 06, 2005
Earlier a commentor from a current European expressed that one should know the history of the country. He is correct as in the first response to this title. The U.S. was founded by white Europeans that put "all men are equal" in the preamble to the declaration of independence. Then the country was hijacked and "whiteness" was mandated once France helped the U.S. Government to be formed. They switched up after winning the Revolutionary War. By contrast Brazil got its beginnings from King Joao IV of Portugal, Algarve and the annexed Brazil whose son refused to return to Portugal after Nepolean's war machine collapsed thus started the process of the state of Brazil. King Joao IV although a King in Europe was not of original European descent thus the two countries were founded on dipolar foundations. One based on white supremacy (the U.S.) the other based on having been founded by people who did not have the "white purity" mindset that plagues the U.S. There's a lot more to the story of course but I tried to give the gist of why I think racial hostilities are greater in the U.S. than in Brazil. The U.S. mandated skin color games and hostilities as a part of the fabric of the U.S. Simply go to the Library of Congress U.S. and read the speeches of the so-called leaders and read the evil insanity for yourself before going into denial about how the U.S. became so skin-color evil.
re: re: a view by a black american
written by Guest, November 06, 2005
In addition, many whites (not all) want to mandate who the Brazilian people are. They want to somehow spread the "let's play the U.S. white game in Brazil" game. Having Brazilians talking as they do. Acting as they do. White supremisist radio stations in Brazil, white supremisist rallies in Brazil and white supremisists staulking the bars, schools and neighborhoods in Brazil looking for recruits. Make no mistake. The fantasy of racist white U.S. is to somehow figure out a way to get the Neo-nazi game across Brazil. Listen for the signs of neo-nazi propaganda in your country and stamp it out now. Otherwise it will be a repeat of the U.S. historic past.
Guy from Norway
written by Guest, November 12, 2005
Don`t adapt this color sickness from us Europeans and Americans. I always wanted to go to Brazil for it`s diversity. You are my distant love:-) Evolve on your own terms. Forget the stupid notion of beeing white as it should have anything to do with brain capasity! It don`t. We invented racisim and started two world wars....
CANADIAN IGNORANCE
written by Guest, November 20, 2005
Hi,

I am a Chilean that lived in Canada as a legal immigrant years ago . I went back to my country because my family could not stand canadian racism !

I read this oppinion posted by a Canadian and I really got upset:

"Dispite weather the Moor & Arabs were eventually booted from the Ibean Countries of Europe doens't change the fact the they ruled over that part of Europe for EIGHT HUNDREDEi YEARS. If it wasen't for French savages,chances are that part of europe would still under their rule. I Am from Cananda, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brizilian of Portugese decent I would be able to tell in a instant"

This guy does not know what he is talking about. Portugueses are part of the Mediterranean group of peoples, and they look very similar to anyone from Southern Europe, the Middle East and most North Africans. The Mediterraneum (and not Galia) it was the center of the Ancient civilizations and people were light brown skin all the way down. The whites -the Germanics- were barbarians in those times, and it seem some still are.

Moors were people of Morroco, Arabs and Europeans. The largest majority of them look quite the same to Southern Europeans. There were some other races like some Blacks, Gypsies (Indians) and also Slavic people, but they were less than the 1% of the Moors.

That idea that Portugueses are Black Africans is Germanic crap. Not because Blacks are inferior at all, but because it is not true that Black influence in genetic and culture has been so powerful in Portugal itself at all. The Genetics of the Mediterranean peoples is different from the Germanics since ancient times. Thanks God !

Actually, today we can see more Blacks in France, Great Britain and Canada that the numbers Portugal ever have.

This Canadian fellow should look at its own country as well. A place with so many East Asian people that the federal government is planning to change the name of the country from Canada to CHINADA.

And I can also distinguish the face of a Canadian at once. Perhaps is not really a smart look which calls the attention.

Regards,

Omar Vega
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written by Guest, November 20, 2005
I'm an american that grew up next to the canadian border and I too can distinguish a white canadian from a white american about 90% of the time. So I guess using the logic of the canadian idiot, almost all canadian whites are not really white because I could "tell right away" that they are not american. Come to think of it I can usally tell a german, a russian, and italian for sure a frenchy also, so I guess none of them should be considered white either using the standard he implies. In fact probably only americans should be considered white, because I can't "tell right away" what ethnicity they are.
Re: guy from Norway
written by Guest, November 20, 2005
Are you from Norway or from Germany? Last time I checked the Germans started 2 world wars. But I guess you are saying that all white people should be to blame. I guess you have a lot of whitey guilt. Do you actually believe "white" people invented racism. You don't think people in africa thought and still think of other tribes as inferior. You don't think the Indians of a higher caste think of themselves as superior to people of a lower caste with darker skin. It's human nature to think you a culturally superior to others. It may be bulls**t but most people from what ever goup they feel a link to, be it racial or cultural feel the way they look and act is the "correct" way. As far as being white, why should a brazilian white person forget he is white any more than you should forget you are. Because there is a chance in the past that they might have some indian or black blood? And if they don't like the millions of descendents of italians, germans and others who immigrated to Brazil within the past century and a half, do they have your permission to be considered white? You are from Norway perhaps you have a drop of laplander blood, wouldn't that be great for you, you could stop feeling so guilty.
Brazil: Splitting into Two Races
written by Guest, December 15, 2005
here's how you have to read this.

Splitting 1: Horse race. (it's a race right?)

Splitting 3. Politician race: ALL of them racing after the MONEY.

There you go. These are the two RACES I know of in Brazil.

By the way, There is no race because we humans are a race. Think about this.
The martians are another race.
To 20year old Canadian guy
written by Guest, January 04, 2006
from "Northern View".

Only now I saw your answer, because I don't like this site and found it by chance.

But I suggest you to re-read my comment carefully before writing crap. Your knowledge of history and of Brazil is just embarassing. And your definitions of "races" (portugueses are not whites) only shows how racist you are.

You must be that upset because you do not look white in a society where this is very high-valued (this being subjective, since Canada is not famous for its beaches, canadians must be very very white), therefore you have an inferiority complex.

My comments on latin were just to show how stupid this whole labeling thing of "Hispanics" is. People don't even know that the word hispanic come from latin and refer to south american as a whole out of plain ignorance. When we have lots of peoples of several origins living here.

Your comments of what I am and I am not were really pathetic. I live since I was a kid in an environment (I mean family, not TV) where I could get influence from all kinds of culture, and I guess this is routine for lots of kids from Brazil, and as a result for not a second I stop to think what race a person is in my daily life. A act naturally and do VERY well in life without such notion, and my victories

You are only 20. The greatest victory you had was inviting that girl out in a date. You don't know what's victory you spoiled brat.

This not only led me to some funny situations, like hearing a "not-so-used to diversity" person speaking of "courage" when he saw a married black man and white woman on street and I just took a long time to figure out what he was talking about, .but also to great self-confidence.

And I really believe that we in Brazil are ahead of all of you in terms of "race notions", your limited northern view is just too poor.


Jamaican Lawyer
written by Guest, January 11, 2006
I have read alot about Brazil and recognise alot of parallels in our history. Jamaica also has the residue of slavery in the form of a lack of appreciation of our racial mix which is often characterised by a preference for individuals with lesser melanin than those an abundance of it. Only proper education about our past can create an appreciation of the uniqueness of our melting pot of races!

Will governments in countries like Brazil and Jamaica ever make that investment? The returns would be overwhelmingly empowering!
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written by Guest, January 13, 2006
:zzz
Oops not racist...
written by Guest, February 16, 2006
The problem in Brazil is not a racial because people think black people are inferior...that is pretty impossible since people can trace back they origins to at least one negro ancestor.

The problem is SOCIAL, poor and rich, thats the real prejudice.

After the end of slavery the negroes were simply let go, not back to africa, but to ghetto, because none would pay for a former slave, and also many immigrants from Italy and Japan and other places came, they had agricultural techniques who were best fit for being paid.

So in about 500 years ( a short lifespan for a country) the once prejudice victims, the negroes, became the poor.

When I say its not a matter of color but of historical scope its not that every negro is treated without racial prejudice, but what I mean is that MOST, really the great majority of problems are not due to race but to social status.

That is very different you know why? Because when a rich negro woman or man goes shopping they are well treated and when a poor white woman or man goes they are treated bad.

This "Brazil has color prejudice"thing is a big virus in order to separate people, a real bogus story, trying to explain wrongly to negroes why they are treated this way and fomenting racial bias wher there is practically none.
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written by Guest, February 19, 2006
I agree that in brazil racism by which blood purity is taken into account is less than say in the US. But negros are treated different and are for the most part assumed to be poor. Although I do think people do associate blacks negatively with crime, poverty and what not. Brazil does have racism, but you do make a valid point that it may mostly have to do with poverty. Although in Louisiana in the US many of the white people have black ancestors and racism is still very prevelant. This may may have to do with the anglo american puritan infuence after it was taken over by the US, after starting out as a much more racially relaxed place under the french, when most of the racial mixing occured.
Reply to: Oops not racist
written by Guest, February 24, 2006

I don't know what planet you live on, but if you think that colour pejudice is a fiction in Brazil you must be on drugs or something. I'm English (you know, Teutonic blood, paper-white skin, green eyes etc., that stuff the all the blacks who write on this site simply hate so much..) and ever since I came here to work, some ten years ago, I've found colour/race prejudice rampent. Some small examples: people tell me all the time that the south is better than Sao Paulo and the north of Brazil because there aren't any negros there. And when I was buying an appartment friends made useful suggestions as to good areas "Moema, Itaim, Jardines are all good, but Hiegionopolis is for the Jews'.

As for the poster who commented "Europeans aren't exatly xenophobic" , you're another who wants to get a grip. I'm assuming you really mean racist by this statement. Try travelling around Germany, Austria, Britain, Scandinavia, France, Spain etc. with a black face and you'll notice that the temperature of your reception will be far below welcoming point. Northern View was right in his comments about the Portugues too. Of course there is a reason for all this: coloured races simply don't belong in Europe in such numbers. It's as plain and simple as that. But in so-called 'melting-pot' cultures like Brazil peolpe point the finger......?
JewRIcan
written by Guest, March 10, 2006
The level of discourse here is appalling! This 20 year old Canadian’s notion of education is a joke, as are his pathetic pretensions to any kind of racial knowledge (Poor spelling and diseased English we should forgive.)

News Flash #1) Race does not exist in Science! The genetics of human populations are just too complex to support the popular notion of race.

News Flash #2) People everywhere on earth are aware of differences in appearance between themselves and other peoples! A stereotyping is almost inevitable, based on color (what people usually refer to when they say ‘race’), religion, language or whatever. I spent my childhood in Puerto Rico, where the dividing line was based mainly on hair texture (Buen pelo versus pelo malo.)

News Flash #3) Brazilians are people too! Plenty of stereotyping exists there as elsewhere, but in much of the country, more mixing occurs than was traditional in North America (that is changing there, though) as well as much more white poverty. Both these things dull the 'racial' divide. Brazilians are also more exacting in their color divisions than the North Americans - a mulatto Brazilian will not like being referred to as black, whereas in the USA or Canada people with only a tinge of black evident often refer to themselves as black.

New Flash #4) There are rich black and mulatto Brazilians! They can spend their money anywhere that white people can in Brazil - just like the in USA, Canada or western Europe.

Another thing that people should know is that southern Brazil, while heavily white, has plenty of black and Asian residents and visitors both. Stereotyping will exist there as well - my wife is from Florianópolis and I've been there often - if you are white and don't look Brazilian people assume you are from Argentina!
To JewRIcan
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
Why do any foreigner that is married to a brazilian thinks at know EVERYTHING about Brazil?

There's a big chance that the woman married to you was trying to get a ticket to the 1st World. The same way if I went to forgotten place in the country and tell I'm from Sao Paulo lots of girls will jump on me just for me "to take them to Sao Paulo".

To your #2, that may sound right but it's not. People here are not segregated like in US, Canada or Europe.

There color is a BIG ISSUE there, so much everyone knows right away what "they are" (what they were told to be). But there's no integration beyond politically correct talk.

Here is different. How so? Here is pretty easy to see marriage between people of different origins and that's not seen as something even noteworthy.

There are several customs of African origins that are openly practiced and guess what, my blue eyed grandparent used to practice some in the past! SUCH INTEGRATION IS IMPOSSIBLE IN US, CANADA AND EUROPE.

If I have to bet I'd say Brazil as people has a future, you don't. You'll never move beyond your segregated society because:

- Europeans are cristalized, there's too much "tradition" for leaving the "white" idea behind;

- US could be different but it's not, because who lives there, even the black ones, believe the actual state of things (living separated) is "the right thing".

You can't just put a bunch of people together and believe that makes a "multicultural society".

Your #3 is SIMPLY pathethic. Brazilians do get mad if are called Hispanics or Black because they aren't Hispanics and they aren't Black.

MANY OF US have indians anscestors, white anscestors or asians. What makes you think they should accept the label "Black"? As far as I know, myself included, I wouldn't like to be called neither black, neither indian and neither white because I'm NONE OF THOSE.

Re: \"Reply to: Oops not racist\"
written by Guest, March 21, 2006
I find it funny when gringos come here and see racism. If you're not saying pollitically correct talk every 5 minutes then you are racist.

Only because just don't care it doesn't mean they are racist.

Brazilians are so more relaxed that your society and your very well divided line of "what's what looks" is RACIST. Why someone need to specific terminology to every living thing if it's not for dividing it?

I bet if we give people the proper education and the proper clothing and they will be well received anywhere in this country. At least the probability of being not welcome will be far smaller than in Europe.

The issue here is not color, it's poverty. No one likes poor people, for obvious reasons. Fix that and your "racism" is gone.
re: tojewrican
written by Guest, March 23, 2006
That is funny I lived in Brazil for 3 years and never met a black brazilian who didn't know they were black. Or a white brazilian who didn't call themselves white. Of course there are a lot of people in the middle, but even the lighter skin mulattos I know will refer to themselves as being partly black and know that they are not completely exepted by higher society. Other than that I agree with your main point about europe and the US being much more segregated.
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written by Guest, March 23, 2006
I think you are 100% wrong. I live here for all my life an I saw people that didn't know that they were black or another thing.

THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE. Ok, if you go to one of those small colonies of german or dutch people in the south, or japanese or chinese in Sao Paulo you'll see it, but because they are HOMOGENEOUS. A bunch of people that look a like, but that doesn't reflect the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

Gringos think they know too much. For once just try to learn a little instead of just start spitting out these stupid things.

I am "mulatto" (per gringo definition), and I am 100% accepted. I don't consider myself to be black because I don't look like one, nor white, nor anything else because my family is full of all kinds of people.

It happened that I had blonde girlfriends and NOT ONCE I felt any kind of "racism" by the part of their families!

I have worked in several places, smaller companies and bigger companies, and NOT ONCE I felt any kind of "racism". I worked in a company full of Japanese-descendent people (it was a japanese firm) and still NO RACISM.

But why? Because I'm not a starving poor man! I'm not rich though, but I don't live in rags.

What people doesn't like here is poor people. And don't think that aren't white poors. Yes, there are!

This racism talk is pure "gringo vision". The only problem here is social.

I get really really mad when I here that "non-whites" (for not saying mulattos) are put down in this country, because I know by my life experience that it's not true! Now, I have relatives that prefer to go after woman instead of doing hard work, are they poor because of their choices or because there's racism?

A gringo would probably pick the second option, because they CAN'T LIVE as ONE PEOPLE with others that are different. That tells a lot about the gringo, but not about Brazil.
above comment
written by Guest, March 27, 2006
Ok if you want ot give annectdotal evidence then how about this. The man that lives in front of my girlfriends house is a lighter skin mullato who lives in Rio de Janiero. He is married to a white woman from Minas. Her mother hates the fact that she married him, simply because he is part black. He is one of the nicest guys, relatively educated, and makes enough money to have two houses. Yet she doesn't like him because he is part black. So if you wants anectdotes there is one for you. I believe there is racism in brazil but it is less that in the US. And people to get along easier, but just because I am a gringo doesn't mean I can't validly observe what is going on. And being mullato per gringo defenition means nothing. It is how you are viewed in your own society that matters. And I still believe that there are families and people who are racist against people of color ini brazil. It is not as cut and dry as in the US or Europe (thank god)but is still there.
Re: above comment
written by Guest, March 29, 2006
I don't doubt of your story, but taking one case and using it for the entire country is no less stupid than label France as a land of a*****es only because a french guy you once met was an a*****e.

The same way Brazil is not a 100% a*****e free country, it's not a 100% racism free country.

But you will see far more integration here than anywhere else.

Saying, as many other posters said, that the mullatos are "not accepted" is "gringo vision" in action and nothing else. I have met lots of mullatos and blacks (per gringo definition) that are successful and either have relatives or are married to whites.
to dumbs**t from São Paulo
written by Guest, March 30, 2006
To the moron who wrote the following “There's a big chance that the woman married to you was trying to get a ticket to the 1st World. The same way if I went to forgotten place in the country and tell I'm from Sao Paulo lots of girls will jump on me just for me "to take them to Sao Paulo".

Your are evidently too stupid to know that a white physician (or any other affluent professional in any color) from Floripa can get a visa and come to USA without having to marry for it..

You are definitely too stupid to know that in English, Puerto Ricans are not Gringos, no matter what color they are. I am used to walking into shops in Santa Catarina and having people speak to me in Spanish because of my blonde hair and blue eyes – they are obviously stereotyping and some are definitely attitudinal about it (till I respond in Portuguese with a clearly non-Argentinean accent) but they are just playing the odds, given all the tourists from the cone there, and they don’t mean to suck when they say it like you do.

Learn a few things before you open your sphincter to speak. If girls from the countryside would come to SP for you, you wouldn’t post this kind of idiocy – you must look like the north side of a southbound baboon. My Sympathies but ¡tu verga es brea!
Portuguese are part German
written by Guest, March 30, 2006
Omar Vega should remember that Germans (Visigoths, Vandals and Swabians) ruled Spain and Portugal from the fall of Roma to the advent of the Moors.

Those genes are still found in Brazilians of Iberian origin.
The average Latin American, Brazilians i
written by Guest, March 31, 2006
It seems that the ignorant f**ks posting here are not only unaware that just like in Latin America or Canada knowledge of other regions and countries is a function of social class as well of education, and plenty of Canadians and Latin Americans know jack s**t about the outside world. My favorite Latin American exchange was in Los Angeles, California with a manacurist from Central America:
her
“¿Donde aprendiste español?”
me
“mi famiya es de spanya.” (I speak jdiyo, not cristiaño)
her
“¿En España se habla español?”

This was not a low IQ moron, just a basic working woman who I am sure is not completely atypical. With some many Latam countries having mandatory voting, this sort of person is influential there, whereas in the USA or Canada the greater ignorami vote in tiny percentages, thank God.

Re: to dumbs**t from São Paulo
written by Guest, April 01, 2006
I only spoke the truth.Did it hurt?
Re: The average Latin American, Brazilia
written by Guest, April 01, 2006
So, what's your point?
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written by Guest, April 03, 2006
Look at Africa - the prets are simply closer to the chimpanzees than the people that had the sense to get out of that hell-hole. Get used to it - The Africans can dance, fornicate and eat each other while the Chinese and Europeans eat their lunch, an outcome deserved by both sides. Not because the Chinese and Europeans shed their negritude, after all that is about no more than vitamin D - but because they value education and civilization enough to actually improve the human race. This crap about white racism holding down the darky is indefensible in light of the truth - the the same horrors of slavery endured under whites they endured under blacks, and the worse thing that happened to 20th century Africa was decolonialzation. Move 'em to Brazil, Jamaica or South Central Los Angeles, they are they same people they ever were.
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written by Guest, April 07, 2006
"*Why do any foreigner that is married to a brazilian thinks at know EVERYTHING about Brazil? "
It only seems like we know everything . . . the typical Brazilian's cognition of the world is about as good as their English (I never met in Brazil an English teacher that could actually speak decent English).

Credit where it's due - the write of the above sentance almost got it right and should be considered on a higher level than the average Brazilian - here is the grammatically clean version:
"Why do any foreigners that are married to a Brazilian think that they know EVERYTHING about Brazil? " or
"Why does any foreigner that is married to a Brazilian think that he knows EVERYTHING about Brazil? "
to 20 year old Canuck Shmuck
written by Guest, April 07, 2006
You Idiot - can't you even run a spellchecker, or are you handicapped still by having a hand stuck in your pants by it's rusty zipper?

If a twenty-year old Canadian is writing at this level, God help Canada! (Emendation by 14 year old Iraqi Jewish girl living in Los Angeles California)
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Dispite weather the Moor & Arabs were eventually booted from the Ibean Countries of Europe doens't change the fact the they ruled over that part of Europe for EIGHT HUNDREDEi YEARS.
Despite whether or not the Moors were eventually booted from Iberia doesn’t change the fact that they ruled over that part of Europe for 800 Years.

The never ruled the very north, of course, and by the 10th century the reconquista was well under way – a hundred years later they had only Granada. It is very easy to exaggerate the Moorish influence.


If it wasen't for French savages,chances are that part of europe would still under their rule.
If it weren’t for French savages, chances are that part of Europe would still under their rule.

Sheer speculation if you mean Martel and Tours – False outright if you mean the reconquista.


I Am from Cananda, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brizilian of Portugese decent I would be able to tell in a instant; in this country I am regarded as being non white as would you be.
I am from Canada, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brazilian of Portuguese descent I would be able to tell in an instant; in this country I am regarded as being non white as you would be. >

Sheer stupidity again; many, many white Brazilians are of Portuguese extraction and are a white as any Anglo-Saxon. I guess you’ve never been to Porto Alegre or Florianópolis, Joinville or Blumenau, etc.


That doesn't necissarially imply anything negitve, in fact in this country it is rather refreshing, But I still can not get over how much you Brazilian love to ragard youself as being white, espesically you "Northern view".

That doesn't necessarily imply anything negative, in fact this country is rather refreshing >

You are being negative by denying a basic fact, that white people in Brazil are as white as white people anywhere else.

You are cruel to the reading public by posting at a third grade level and at 20 years old you should either know better or leave your thoughts in the rectum whence they came.
to 20 year old Canuck Shmuck
written by Guest, April 07, 2006
You Idiot - can't you even run a spellchecker, or are you handicapped still by having a hand stuck in your pants by it's rusty zipper?

If a twenty-year old Canadian is writing at this level, God help Canada! (Emendation by 14 year old Iraqi Jewish girl living in Los Angeles California)
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Dispite weather the Moor & Arabs were eventually booted from the Ibean Countries of Europe doens't change the fact the they ruled over that part of Europe for EIGHT HUNDREDEi YEARS.
Despite whether or not the Moors were eventually booted from Iberia doesn’t change the fact that they ruled over that part of Europe for 800 Years.

The never ruled the very north, of course, and by the 10th century the reconquista was well under way – a hundred years later they had only Granada. It is very easy to exaggerate the Moorish influence.


If it wasen't for French savages,chances are that part of europe would still under their rule.
If it weren’t for French savages, chances are that part of Europe would still under their rule.

Sheer speculation if you mean Martel and Tours – False outright if you mean the reconquista.


I Am from Cananda, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brizilian of Portugese decent I would be able to tell in a instant; in this country I am regarded as being non white as would you be.
I am from Canada, and let me tell you, if I came across a Brazilian of Portuguese descent I would be able to tell in an instant; in this country I am regarded as being non white as you would be. >

Sheer stupidity again; many, many white Brazilians are of Portuguese extraction and are a white as any Anglo-Saxon. I guess you’ve never been to Porto Alegre or Florianópolis, Joinville or Blumenau, etc.


That doesn't necissarially imply anything negitve, in fact in this country it is rather refreshing, But I still can not get over how much you Brazilian love to ragard youself as being white, espesically you "Northern view".

That doesn't necessarily imply anything negative, in fact this country is rather refreshing >

You are being negative by denying a basic fact, that white people in Brazil are as white as white people anywhere else.

You are cruel to the reading public by posting at a third grade level and at 20 years old you should either know better or leave your thoughts in the rectum whence they came.
What is Brazil really?
written by Guest, April 08, 2006
Brazil is second only to Nigeria in number of citizens of African blood. None of the other groups make up a very appreciable percentage of the population. To put it simply, Brazil is the blackest non-African country on the planet. But all other things aside, Brazilians are simply... Brazilians, there is no other nationality on earth to compare them with. They are unique in the most exclusive sense.
It should be common knowlege that other groups exist in Brazil. But it must be said that Brazil IS a black country. There simply aren't enough members from other groups to justify calling Brazil anything else.
re\" what is brazil really
written by Guest, April 14, 2006
Where have you been in Brazil, only Bahia? Brazil has a lot of black people, a lot of mixed people and many white people, some asian people and a few indians. If you have travelled over the entire country you would realize the regional differences. It must be said that Brazil is a rainbow of colors not a black country, and one of those colors is black.
To 20 year old Canadian guy
written by Guest, April 15, 2006
"[...] and all europeans consider anyone and everyone in europe to be white i.e. caucasian, this goes from sweden, to greece to portugal [...]".

This is not true.

In Sweden people from Southern Europe are often considered to be non-white. When a Swede wants to insult a Portugese he might call him "svartskalle", which verbatim translates to "black skull".

However, there is not much racism in the sense that the colour of one's skin matters very much. Rather, each and everyone who does not speak Swedish without the slightest trait of accent (with exception for a Danish or Norwiegan one) or who exhibits foreign behaviour (such as being non-reserved, using one's hands when speaking, exaggerating, not trying to be humble) is thought of as a complete alien with whom one does not want to socialise.

This is the Swedish equivalent of racism. The higher up the social ladder, however, the more open-ness towards the rest of Europe.

Denmark, Norway, Finland and Iceland are much worse. With your standards they would definately be considered very, very xenophobic. Denmark's largest (or second largest, I don't remember) political party has succeeded becauase of its anti-immigration sentiments. It also fights Islam, without remorse, and much to the delight of the common Dane. The Norwiegan equivalent does the same.

Sincerely,
21 year old Swedish guy
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written by Guest, May 01, 2006
To the Chinese you are still just n****rs, and will be long after the white man accepts you, which 99% of them will after a bath, some deodorant, an education and a job.
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written by Guest, May 03, 2006
You are talking about the swedish?
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written by Guest, May 12, 2006
Jag tror inte . . .
Brazilian Rainbow Parrot Nose
written by Guest, June 03, 2006
It is amazing how the internet has created the opportunity for semingly semi-literate people to express unintelligent opinions. Race is a social construct, generalisations are odious. All this ralk about about Brazilians, Canadians, Swedes are gross generalistions. It is pathetic to see human being trading pathetic insults to make themselves feel superior to others. Get a life, folks. Bathroom talk is for two year-olds. Go learn English. If you must insult people, do it with elegance, intelligence and wit. The world is going to hell. Do something to help it. The human family is one.
Brazilian Rainbow Parrot Nose
written by Guest, June 03, 2006
"ralk" is a typo. I meant "talk."
PREJUDICE ALL OVER
written by Guest, June 04, 2006
This is a very prejudice-ladden magazine. It is a shame. It also seems to congregate teens
who are ignorant and proud to be ignorant.I bet you didn´t go farther than 2 miles from your homes.
HAHAHA. Go on and write more.This is a great circus and you are great clowns.
miss mayara
written by Guest, June 23, 2006
If u sell magazines i never gona buy ... again that is a fact .. that is patetic ..................
miss tina
written by Guest, June 28, 2006
this thing really is very informative and knowledgable .
Amy
written by Guest, July 05, 2006
Frankly, I think it's conversations like these that fuel racism.

...I can't help but wonder what we'll all bicker about in hundreds (possibly thousands) of years when everyone looks basically the same.
Amy
written by Guest, July 05, 2006
Frankly, I think it's conversations like these that fuel racism.

...I can't help but wonder what we'll all bicker about in hundreds (possibly thousands) of years when everyone looks basically the same.
Moving to Brazil
written by canadiancarrie, July 28, 2006
I've read through what I thought would be information I could use towards determining whether or not to uproot my family and move to Buzios. I'm tired of Canada's claim that we are a melting pot, when really they just say that. I am born and raised here with french, english and native heritage, my husband is also born here but is visibly chinese. Does he speak chinese? No he doesn't. I get asked almost weekly if my daughters are mine or if I adopted them. When I was visiting mexico this never happened.

The pace here is crazy just to make ends met. The materialism of keeping up with the Jones' is repulsive. Eventhough there is a great educational system here for the 3 r's; I feel that on an ethical & social level they are missing a lot.

Does anyone have any valuable information about how my family will be accepted in Buzios, Brazil. We are looking at buying a Pousada, running it. Enjoying life. I am a teacher and feel I am a humanitarian, extremely tolerant of all groups, races, ages and religion.

Searching for answers,
CanadianCarrie
Buzios rocks !!!
written by Gisele, October 15, 2006
I am Brazilian from rio. I love my country, it's not the most perfect melting pot as ppl tend to think, but well, it's where I live and I'm sick and tired of ppl preaching out what we should do.
Buzios is our Cote D"azur, haha. It's where the upper middle class go for theur summer holidays, not to mention the argies who always pack the beaches in summer. Generally, we hold a kind of curiosity towards foreigners and I guess it won't be a problem for you. I'm jealous, Buzios has such great beaches... I wish I could live there but for now just dropping by at the weekends smilies/smiley.gif Oh, there are heaps of French ppl and Argentines managing businesses there, so you won't feel like an alien, haha
Good luck !
You brainless and mislead fools!
written by Ake, December 27, 2006
90% of you guys are brainless.There no hope as long as blindless fools exsit, like you guys. A lot of this stero typical bull s**t has been placed on blacks every where-for example, poor,crimals and inferior. People act like blacks where sitting on thier butt's while all the whites were working hard-No, white have robbed and stole every thing. The nerve of you idiots. . You expect them not to be poor and uneducated. You enslave somebody for centuries and you expect for them to not resort to crime. Come on! The deck has been stacked against blacks because we don't own or control the resources of the world. People are dick rider's, so I expect them to and rave about thier european heritage. Most people are going protray the image that is most beneficial. ISo of course you people of mixed brazilain are going to slide more towards thier european heritage. This entire converstaion is sad, because so many people are mislead.
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written by A brazilian, January 21, 2007
The only sad part are losers like you Ake.
"Brazil - Black country?!"
written by Euro guy in Brazil, February 10, 2007
Well i have now lived in Brazil over 1 year and i really love it, yes there is problems but only with education/politics and poor vs rich ppls, and i really must say to some posters in up "brazil is bigest non african black nation" ?! Are you idiot ? in street picture in every day i see only few black (african) ppls, most of them are like me (normaly white/brown) and then some latsins (mulats) and asians (japan), i have traveled in Rio, Sao Paulo, Bahia, and i dont see that brazil is full of black ppls and i dont see any problems with racist i am white and i get along really good with "negros" and "latins" and i really dont see a racist problem in Brazil. Brazilian ppls are kind, helpful, nice... etc
the real problem is in education and politics, and i dont understand what the hell is you guyz with black ppls? area you afraid of black guy? get over it?

Brazilia is in problems but its not due skinn color, its about money, power and corruption!
i dont see that USA is any betther then Brazil, any time i will chose Brazil to USA
in economic way Brazil is really great, but coverment needs to star take care about all Brazilians, not only about them who has the most amount of money.
Still i love Brazilia and i hope best for this country! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Janessa, April 07, 2007
Canadas pride thank you soo much for bring light so this because am black and am from canada u have knowledge and smarts i wish they were more people that weren't as ignorant as some of these brazilians and others on here and am really piss when anyone think of my race like less then theres and the fact that am a negro and am richer then alot of white people and south americans what are they thinking about me am still less of a person need to get over they race being better then other am sick of it and isn't brazil a christian country catholic lol yeah right anyways am glad you said something like that wich is 100% true about the slave trad before the new world was discovered we need to have smart and opened minded people on this site and in the world thank you sooo much plus am canadian yeah plus aren't brazilians aren't like majority of the brazilians have african blood in them people need to get over themselves and by the way portgual is very poor i do agree with you on that also i soo agree with you that africa isn't a country stupid people that are blind don't see that lol i have some friends that are white and black that are africans and other races of africans its a continentl ike you said maybe if people open there eyes they would see that it has many countries and many lanuages and its very racial mix before the huge slavery days thanks yeah canadians
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written by Janessa, April 07, 2007
A 20year old Canadian guy i soo agree with you people love to danied they roots alot i see it all the time saying they are white when in fact they like 1/16th anyways you have interesting views about that adn i do agree with you in alot of it brazilians and south americans and mexicans need to stop the bulls**t about they race and norther africans and southern europians etc they know the truth but are blind to see it
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written by Janessa, April 07, 2007
JewRIcan i do agree with what you said about in canada and in the usa just cause someone has blackin them they are considered black am black am not mix sooi get piss in a way when mix people are being called black and i have ,mix friends of different races and they are divided all the time being called black which north americans need to look at the one very close to also my indian friends aka that are race mix samethings happened to them to they are usually called native and it like they forget about one race which piss's me off i think they should embrass both of they race i called my mix friends mulatto but calling someone a mule isn't nice cause mix people i have meet and my friends are beautiful people in less its in arbic which means mix not mule as in latin lol
Janessa
written by A brazilian, May 09, 2007
You are illiterate. This is the worst text I have ever read in my life. Have you ever heard of commas and periods? And some black americans and, for what we can see, black canadians have such an inferiority complex that they need to use the "race card" all the time. They simply can't live like normal human beings, with a proper education and knowledge. They must twist history, use the same KKK approved theories and produce a despicable hate game in order to look good for themselves. The others aren't the problem, you can't accept yourself! You are filled with hate, so much hate that you wish that others different than you would "recognize" to be just the same, so you can see people you can admire.

The "facts" you cite come directly from the eugenic "nordic theories" of the past, the same used by Hitler and considered flawed since science advanced. The DNA changed everything. Aren't you ashamed? I am always surprised how people can spit Nazi ideology out with such ease, and even more surprised when the people doing it are blacks! Blacks promoting Nazism, who would guess?

And you speak as if Africa were some example of development. That continent is full of genocide and corruption. When will you have a Beethoven or something you can be proud of? Do you want people to share your shame, is that it? To dilude the responsibility among many people? Haha.

Brazil has 39% of morenos and only 7% of blacks. In the matters of race we are light years ahead of you, your mindset is archaic and directly derived from obsolete theories.
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written by SteveT., May 21, 2007
I am an American but have lived in Brasil for close to 40 years of my 45 years and would not trade Brasil forthe US nunca !!!! Brasil is a beautiful country and the article that was written is full of BS - for one the minimum wage here is close to US$ 200,00 (and in 1994 was US$ 70,00) so it has aumentado in real terms. Here you can buy a hell of alot more with a dollar than in the States (In New York a can of beer in a bar/pub is US$ 5,50 20 % tax - in Brasil it is equivalent to less than ! US$. In the States you die in the winter if you can´t pay the gas bill to warm the apt/house (which happens to alot of retired people) you have tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes etc - medical insurance costs a fortune (here in Brasil I have never paid for medical insurance - its free including free aids treatment). Food is cheap - US$ 0,50-1,00 for chicken meat (I worked with broilers in Brasil for 15 years so I should know) beef is cheap, fruits, vegetables etc. all is practically free if compared to the fortune you americans pay in the states- in other words you can´t compare prices etc of things in Brasil to those in the states.You all talk of cheap labor etc but forget that in the States back in the ´30´s it was considered normal for middle class persons to have at least two ´maids´, in fact my grandmother was my grandfather´s parents maid and they ended up marrying.... and that is what is happening in Brasil in a few years salaries etc. will grow - everything in life is "procura e oferta" or demand and supply and as time goes by countries tend to get better - like I said I remember Brasil 35 - 40 years ago and things have really changed - those of you who talk bad about here do not know what you are talking about - (must be little kids 15 - 20 years old - grow up)

Steve
The true meaning of life
written by Janeita, July 10, 2007
No matter where you go in this world there will always be prejudice it is a fact we cannot control. What is important is how you view it , you can choose to view it as an attack on you as a person or a direct expression from some poor soul, how your respond depends on how you choose to view it. For my Brazilian friends Jamaica is found in Central America not Africa. Africa is not the only place that has black people!!!!!!


jay
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written by willywinky, August 28, 2007
Well this f**kin conversation seems to be endless, and despite some slaggin off which is not surprising on this controversial subject, I am surprised at how good tempered most of the contributors are. I am white english living in Italy, and likin it despite the endless nationalist racist crap that has been regurgitated in this country by the Lega Nord for the last unlucky 13 years, just like we had the endless neo-fascist racist crap from the National Front in Britain, and still now from the BNP, for over 30 years. I am glad that Brazil doesn't appear to have these organised race hate machines that do so much continual damage in nearly every European country. I have spent some five years of my life here in Italy, and maybe about 10 years in england trying to understand racism, which seems to be basically one of the most infectious illnesses of our days. Sure everyone is racist to some extent, but that's exactly what makes racism dangerous. A Moroccan once explained to me that there are 3 basic causes of racism. 1. Unprincipled political leaders who continually foment and reinforce the most stupid bigoted aspect of the dominant tribes for their own motives/or simply out of habit; 2. Competitive capitalist economy, more or less dominated by the light-skinned tribes, who get everyone else fighting each other for the spoils - most of the US political system is actually dominated by ethnic alliances - Reps and Dems mean f**k all ideologically; 3.cultural and educational inheritance which is just about abysmal everywhere in terms of understanding human geography and history today, and miles behind events - now moving so fast that there is a real need to speed up our understanding of each other's lives too. We have democracies only as formal mechanisms, but we need to build new democratic cultures which can give us the insight to reform all our political systems towards making politicians
a) accountable b) mandatable on certain issues c) recallable if necessary. I am sure that few democratic politicians of the future will ever sit in power for so long and so securely as so many do today, due to the mass idiocy diffused by all commercial mass medias based on one-way consumism instead of dialogue. Then, racism will cease to be of importance as each will respect others and seek to know them, instead of deafing others out as nearly all of us in Europe were brought up to do.
Canada Guy
written by ny, September 18, 2007
Portuguese are part german & omar vega:
I totally agree with both of you, the portuguese peopel as a whole are consider white thruout the world, just because of the mideterranean mix does not denote the whole country. The celtics, rmans,etc. among others also inhabited Portugal, so the majority fo the stock is white, thus is a whte country.
Why some people on this forum & others like to bash the Portuguese, i wonder why, maybe because they made it possible for all of you to be here today? Yes, Portugal was/is a poor country but by whose standards? Actuall y there are many more poorer countries in Europe & if you look at the Eurpoepan GDP you will find Portugal in the Top 20, hence what kind of poor are most of you talking about, there are numerous countries in europe and around the world much poorer, so lets stop this bulls**t, it is easy to talk about a Noble, Proud, cultured people that choose to remain silent, they work hard, make something of themselves whereever they go & most of you still talk.for the most part they become very successful.
Abd to the Swede whether someone talks with their hands among other things, those are called cultural differences of expressions, after all many swedes also left for the new world, do you want to hear some of the stereotypes we have for you guys?
Portugal does not need any of you on here to be there fans, contrary to popular believe there are plenty of people in this world that respect Portugal & its People, hence most of the comments on this forum.
What it really comes down to most of the time is the resentment, jealousy & obsession with them, hardly do you ever read any negative news about them; can't say that about most of your countries.
Must i say it I am a BIG FAN of the Portuguese.
Mr. Canada should stop reading all the kkk books, because after all if the kkk knew him they would get rid of him in an instant.
as accurate as i can put it...
written by Rapadura, October 01, 2007
Let me start by saying>
WTF this is one twisted arguement...............

Does it matter what race i am???????? no not really so I wont say or else someone here is probably going to point a finger and say i am biased no matter what i say and that's how twisted this arguement is.........
As far as Brasil...... my whole family is Brasilian, I was not born there and do not live there........ but I have lived there and visit my family there almost every year for a few months!!!!! My family has a range of people from ,all set( not quite rich) to very poor people.....black, white, moreno, disabled, italian, german, native american, and that's just some i can remember....

Brasil is very problematic, but unlike other places, racism is only like 3% of the problem in Brasil, where the other 97% is due to corruption, money/greed/ lack ofmoney, and crime.......

as far as racism, i hav felt it's sting and it used to have a big effect on my mind and pride.....
but nowadays i take almost any racism with a grain of salt and pay almost no attention to it, the person that is prejudice to me i treat them like a brother(or sister), because that is the way my family raised me to be.....

if more people did this heavy racism and prejudice would eventually lose it's place ,
All of us are brothers, if you are religous you either do or should work to believe that statment, and if even if you aren't religous you can't deny it because all humans come from the same place, dont forget that......

These ideas might seem idealistic, but thats because they are..... i like to believe that we might be able to change as a people instead of just staying where we are at or degenerating further.....which is what other people believe is the only course..



"capoeira e meu estilo de vida"
"eu so pequeno, mas deus e grande"

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written by ernest johnson jr., October 26, 2007
i bow to rapadura's wise words.......
from an american mutt!
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written by Rapadura, November 01, 2007
Im not sure if thats a compliment or insult/ sarcasm.... i'll jus say thank you smilies/cry.gif
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written by Rodolfo Dias, November 04, 2007

You enslave somebody for centuries and you expect for them to not resort to crime.


This is a cultural problem generated by slavery-based economies. Slavery devaluates work to nothing. In every former-slave society, not to work is associated to being a noble person, and to do hard work is associated to being a plebian, a lowlife, a loser. Of course one should not expect a grandson of slaves to see work as a good thing. Plus, if you watch a Brazilian soap opera, you will notice that nobody in there works or is seem working.
danger
written by Zeka, December 15, 2007
usa is full of this what the writer is about and all the people are going into trouble it is not Brasil for any mention of a particular many are returning to Brasil from usa because it is going wrong
So don't blame Brasil for what is a world problem

Africans they are still backwards after all the monies given to them and the intenion of the trains of the learnings of the professorials and on it is evident in its completions of nothing.
Some People are Quite Ignorant of American Society
written by Jay Fiore, January 14, 2008
America was wrong in slavery and segregation but, for the most part these are HISTORICAL wrongs.Don't forget we fought a Civil War to liberate a whole race from slavery in this country and Whites were the only race to voluntarily end slavery. Modern Segregation is largely economic and not racial. For Instance, in New Jersey, Whites, Blacks, Browns, and Asians all live comfortably with each other. I'm 24 and have never heard a White person use the N-word, although Blacks brought that back into mainstream use in rap music. Nor have I ever seen instances of obvious racism of the type ignorant foreigners believe goes on here. The fact is all Non-Whites do better in the US than almost anywhere on the planet. As for the myth of White purity only 2 out of 3 White Americans are purely White. The rest have some Black, Native, or Asian blood.

Also, I am Italian-American and yes Ethnic Whites as myself do try to distinguish themselves from White Anglo-Saxon Protestants but, these people are not ashamed of their European White heritage. They just don't like their distinct ethnicity being erased by Non-Whites calling them Generically White as if all Whites came from the same background or something. I am American plain and simply.

The fact is the true racism is real in Brazil, Blacks have only 20% of the income of white compared to 79% in the US and 50% in Western Europe. White Brazilians also are privately aware of this since they are feeling for the US, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and Europe to get away from the Blacks and Browns that seem to rapidly be invading once almost entire White Southern Brazil. While most of these White Brazilians emigrating out won't admit that race has a lot to do with their flight nearly as much as for economic reasons, it is real.
Explain why nearly 100% of Brazilian Immigrants are White while their population is only 53.5% White. Also, Brazil is not just Black and White, its 2% Asian, 10% Black, 54% White and the rest are either mixed White and Black or Mixed White and Native. Besides in a tropical land like Brazil, Whites of Portuguese, Italian, Spanish,or Lebanese ancestry will likely look tan or even Brown due to sun exposure. Germans and other Northern Europeans will still look White because, they do not tan as well. You will find that Mediterranean peoples all look darker or lighter depending on the latitude or season. This will fool Northern Europeans and Non-Whites not exposed to White that can tan because they will not see distinction between Mulatto or Mestizo of mostly White ancestry and dark or olive skinned Europeans.

And don't try pulling that crap that Southern Europeans are mixed with Blacks, Moors were Arabs and Berbers whom are White, Blacks were largely non-existent in Europe or North Africa prior to Europeans bring them there during the slave trade. The fact is that Caucasians very in color from Pinkish White in Nordic countries to Brown or even Black in Indic countries. Even Dravidians are Caucasians, although there are some whom are Australoid and Mongoloid there and I'll admit some mixing but, there is a reason most Indians look like just Black Caucasians.
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written by A Brazilian, April 21, 2008
The fact is all Non-Whites do better in the US than almost anywhere on the planet.


Prisoners are better fed and better taken care of in the US than in many third world countries. Should we establish "going to jail" as a solution to the world hunger? Haha. This logic doesn't work.

The American society is broken. You segregate yourselves into ethnical groups because you are racists, even if you don't actively wish harm towards others. Racism is not only about hurting the "others", but about dividing the society into races and using it as a determinant factor of what the person was, is and will ever be.

Your description about the "italian-americans" distinguishing themselves from white anglo-saxons is false. Such designations always had the objective of segregating groups of "not quite whites" from the "true whites". The Irish, for example, were considered some kind of "white negroid" by the racists of the past, and that's why they deserved a separate designation. The same applies for the spanish, portuguese or italians.

White Brazilians also are privately aware of this since they are feeling for the US, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and Europe to get away from the Blacks and Browns that seem to rapidly be invading once almost entire White Southern Brazil.


What!? Most Brazilian immigrants look "white" because that's how Brazil looks like. Only in the mind of the ignorant they fantasize about this place being some kind of Africa. Blacks are only 8% or less of the total population around here.

And get your facts straight, idiot. The southeast of Brazil is the most diverse region of the entire country and that's not new.
Praise to Brazilian affirmative Action!
written by Roberto Alvarez, July 05, 2008
Personally, I think Brazilians need to stop living a lie of them being a racial democracy. After 350 years of slavery it isn't a surprise to me that it really isn't. Its time people realize Brazil has apartheid and that Afro-Brazilians need it the most. It makes me sick Brazilians say there isn't racism but look at the facts. There is! Not just in Brazil but in all Latin American countries.
Danger
written by Nigerian-Canadian, October 12, 2008
Africans they are still backwards after all the monies given to them and the intenion of the trains of the learnings of the professorials and on it is evident in its completions of nothing.

Excuse me!!!! First of all why dont you name all the countries in Africa and tell me how much has been giving to each of them. It seems that you have been brainwashed by the media and fraud. The WHITE AMERICANS are the ones who ask for the money to give and sponsor a child in Africa. They live in big houses, probably have 6 cars and all their children and grandchildren go to private schools. Why don't you check up on that. I bet you think Africa is a country and has one language. Ignorant Idiot.
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written by groid, November 07, 2008
"Look at Africa - the prets are simply closer to the chimpanzees than the people that had the sense to get out of that hell-hole. Get used to it - The Africans can dance, fornicate and eat each other while the Chinese and Europeans eat their lunch, an outcome deserved by both sides. Not because the Chinese and Europeans shed their negritude, after all that is about no more than vitamin D - but because they value education and civilization enough to actually improve the human race. This crap about white racism holding down the darky is indefensible in light of the truth - the the same horrors of slavery endured under whites they endured under blacks, and the worse thing that happened to 20th century Africa was decolonialzation. Move 'em to Brazil, Jamaica or South Central Los Angeles, they are they same people they ever were."

Honky,

I'm so sorry that McCain lost. Really. Now you got a "darky" running your jerked-off country.

Signed,

A pret
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written by groid, November 07, 2008
"And don't try pulling that crap that Southern Europeans are mixed with Blacks, Moors were Arabs and Berbers whom are White, Blacks were largely non-existent in Europe or North Africa prior to Europeans bring them there during the slave trade. The fact is that Caucasians very in color from Pinkish White in Nordic countries to Brown or even Black in Indic countries. Even Dravidians are Caucasians, although there are some whom are Australoid and Mongoloid there and I'll admit some mixing but, there is a reason most Indians look like just Black Caucasians."

Southern Europeans are mixed with blacks. How do you explain:

1. Large ass
2. Dark skins
3. curly hair/full lips
4. hot-blooded temperament

And of course there are LOTS of mulattos/blacks all over North Africa. I used to live there, so tell me something I DON'T know.
Re: Moving to Brazil (CanadianCarrie)
written by jakob, December 19, 2008
Do not move to Brazil from Canada. You've been warned.

I am an European who lived in Brazil for a couple of
years. In the beginning it was interesting. However,
with time you start to understand that Brazil as a
country has many, many shortcomings. For example,
the crime rates are awful, and with time I got tired
of imagining my daughter being kidnapped, or our
house broken into and us getting shot and killed
by a 14-year drugged punk. On the day I left Brazil,
I felt an immense, gigantic relief.
Brazil's future
written by Bahiagirl, May 31, 2009
Living in Brazil for over a year 1997-1998 I can agree with Canadas Pride that Brazil does have many problems with providing adequate eduation and opportunities to the poor many of whom were mixed raced and of African decent. It is not impossible for a person of African decent to do well in say Sao Paulo and even somewhat in Bahia but for the rest of the country, well, I have to say the ones who had the majority of wealth were of European decent.

I found that Brazilians were a lot less racist than Americans, but I also think that many Brazilians do not understand that the government will have to do more to improve education, health, and housing for the poor as well as grow the economy so that the poor can recieve better wages, opportunties, etc. If not, then crime will continue to grow and teh stratification between rich and poor will become so great as to be insurmountable. The real problem is that the rich do not want to share the wealth which they have gained off the backs of poor workers. Therefore they pay very low wages which does not allow the poor to rise above their meager situation.

Should this continue than this will undoubtedly impede Brazil's progress as no nation with a huge gap between rich and poor and almost no middle class can call itself a first or even second world nation.

P.S. when I was in Brazil I actually experienced very little crime but that was over ten years ago, can someone tell me if the crime has gotten worse? On the whole I found Brazilians to be very peaceful and trustworthy.
Ignorance is not bliss.
written by Bahiagirl, May 31, 2009
Groid undoubtedly you are racist and misinformed. You wish McCain had won, ha, Obama, who is African-American and not a "darky" as you call him is more educated, intelligent, and has way more class than McCain could ever hope or wish for. You European Brazilians think yourselves superior but without the labor of people of African and Indian decent you would be nothing but rotting in Europe being killed by plauge ridden rats and still not bathing. You are undoubtedly very ignorant and misinformed which is why you have to post your garbage all over this forum. In fact, many Portugese and Spanish of of mixed arabic and moorish heritage. Secondly, not all people of African decent engage in the self detructive behaviors that you describe and I have seen pleny of white people (like you) who do the same kinds of behaviors. So before you speak your racist crap, you should really try to get to know more about the world, that is if you can afford to. And you are probably mad that Obama is not giving visas to idiots like you so you cannot come to America and pollute our country with your nosense.
Chaos
written by Bjorne, September 04, 2009
Wow, and i was thinking of visting Brazil to soak up the diversity and learn a thing or two... I do realise there are a whole host of views here but it seems humanity dosent see itself as a race anymore... its f**king depressing!!! Being of Indian descent, i live in New Zealand.

Ive seen such segregation as a kid too, all this 'crap' seems to be a f**king national pastime. All this jazz about 'classes', 'religions', 'rich or poor', white or black or yellow or f**king pink, is such a f**king downgrade on the term 'Human'. It makes me wonder if we really are an intelligent race (im talking about humanity here not any form of f**king ferrellism)or a delusioned, self destructive,ignorant.... [Fill in the blank]

It comes as no surprise actually. In my experiences, the rich want to remain the rich and use the poor while they are at it... especially in developing countries. There are always these bloody vast devides. Has anyone else noticed that? I dont think its about culture or 'color' at the end of the day, its f**king GREED really. Anything that is associated with Wealth or benifit in general, is f**king idolised...

Think about this BRAZIL..
to the Author
written by HANS PINTO, October 02, 2009
Outstanding article... As a visitor to your country I can say that I too have seen a growing disparity among the lower class and complacency among those in power (particularly true in Rio de Janeiro). I am confident however, that the future is bright for Brazil and that if individuals, like the author of this article, continue to press for reform, Brazil will finally become a world class leader and not merely the country of the future.

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written by Tordilho Negro, November 12, 2009
The party which rules this country just wants to split to conquer.....what exactly Communism wants.
Time to set the record straight
written by African American woman, December 02, 2009
Am I crazy or did anyone even read this article. First of all the article is about the divide amongst social classes in Brazil. Not race. Having said that I would like to address some of the many comments I've read. #1 Brazil is leaps and bounds ahead of most countries in regards to racial mixing. Most Brazilians do not view themselves as anything but Brazilian. This is a great quality. So we non Brazilians cannot force our views onto their culture. However, what Brazil can't deny is that most of its poor are people of color. That is a fact. #2 If social economical factors is what cause a divide amongst its people, then why do Brazilians not recognize this and demand change. Now for a brief history lesson. For four hundred years African Americans were subjected to the cruelest treatment, which was slavery. The Africans that were brought here as salves where made to assimilate totally to English culture. We were not allowed to read and write or speak in our native tongue. So all of our African culture was erased. Even after slavery was abolished we were still treated as second class citizens. I love Brazil, as a black woman, because they were able to retain more of there African heritage. This is evident just by looking at its people, a mixture of racial backgrounds. The Portuguese apparently didn't share the same views as the English who colonized some parts of America. It is a unwritten rule here that one drop of black blood makes you black. I was so surprised how my Brazilian friends don't share that same sentiment. However non rich Brazilians need to take the same point of view as African Americans. It may not be race but its definitely something that keeps them divided. During the Civil Rights movement the point was to make America equal for all minorities, Blacks, Latins, Asian, the poor etc. We African Americans paved the way for equality for ALL, by coming together to fight for equality. If all the poor and lower middle class Brazilians came together for one cause, equality and held steadfast their government could no longer turn a blind eye to the situation. Its easy to ignore small groups or not look up at the hills. Its up to the dwellers of the favelas to stand up and say "We're here and we will fight for the opportunity to have a better life. We will not go away. We want education, housing, health care and just a chance to show you that we want to live better. We want a chance, not pity." This is the pivotal difference between Blacks in America and the African Brazilians/poor. We boycotted, we marched, we fought through police dogs and intimidation until the world took notice. We, above all were united. Until the poor in Brazil unite and demand change, the fabric of the current social economical state will collapse. What the rich in Brazil should realize, is that its only so long that those in the favelas will continue to look down and see the picture perfect life they all want. They better hope that the drug dealers of the favelas never unite because they can take over a city. The police and even an army couldn't compare to the barrage of weaponry owned by drug lords. What they should focus on is educating the youth and giving them skills so they can provide for themselves and be not forced into drug trafficking. Since all those who live in favelas are not bad people the rich should focus on the good ones to ensure Brazil's place as an economic powerhouse. Or, it will remain what it is, a beautiful, culturally mixed third world county.
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written by Brasil(L), May 30, 2010
Well, everyone is judging Brazilian people by that article, but I'm a Brazilian, born and raised, a white Brazilian girl, but I'm SO proud of the African origins of our culture! I'll not say that the racism doesn't exist, it exists EVERYWHERE, and it is a big problem in every society. It's just kinda funny to read north americans and european talking about prejudice in Brazil... And how about the way Brazilian people are treated in this places, and African? Is good to judge other people without judging ourselves, but I doubt you will ever know a folk that is more loved in Africa, the mostly Black continent, than Brazilians are.
photographic race in arfobrazilian
written by thomas burroughs, jr., March 18, 2011
i love brazil and will come asap
A Danger in Brazil: Splitting into Two Races
written by groups Mazzawoa, February 19, 2014
ogo Slavs, Slavakians ect.) used to be sold in the middle east ,north and central Africa, and at time even as far south as West Africa. Middle eastern peoples such as the Persians and Turks were also used as slaves at a time, by Islamic and Mongolian traders. They to were also traded in Africa as far as Ghana and Nigeria by slave trading Arabs. I'm also sure that the Portugese, were also used as slaves by their Moore and Arab conquorers. Dispite what hispanics in brazil think about Blacks, they are not a bastardised people from a Ravged continent; but rather the victems of greedy African Kings with no problem selling the people of other tribes in to bondage. The vikings used to do the very same thing. In other words "IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS THOUGH IT WERE"
During the Civil Rights movement the point was to make America equal for all minorities, Blacks, Latins, Asian, the poor etc. We African Americans paved the way for equality for ALL, by coming together to fight for equality. If all the poor and lower middle class Brazilians came together for one cause, equality and held steadfast their government could no longer turn a blind eye to the situation. Its easy to ignore small groups or not look up at the hills. Its up to the dwellers of the favelas to stand up and say "We're here and we will fight for the opportunity to have a better life. We will not go away. We want education, housing, health care and just a chance to show you that we want to live better. We want a chance, not pity." This is the pivotal difference between Blacks in America and the African Brazilians/poor. We boycotted, we marched, we fought through police dogs and intimidation until the world took notice. We, above all were united. Until the poor in Brazil unite and demand change, the fabric of the current social economical state will collapse. What the rich in Brazil should realize, is that its only so long that those in the favelas will continue to look down and see the picture perfect life they all want. kizi

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