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It's All a Matter of Class Not Color, Say Brazilians. Just Another Myth! PDF Print E-mail
2007 - January 2007
Written by Mark Wells   
Thursday, 11 January 2007 19:18

Favela children in Rio, BrazilContinuing with the theme of "those racists Americans", most people are familiar with the heinous crime of lynching that terrorized the African-American community in the past century. What many of us don't know is that in the years that lynchings were most prevalent, 1882-1968, 27.3% of all lynching victims (1,297 of 4,743) in the US were white (1).

Another little known fact is that lynching is not a rare occurrence in Brazil. In a report that compiled 751 reports of lynchings (linchamentos) or attempted lynchings between the years 1990 and 2000, 714 people were lynched, 312 fatally, and of the data in which the race of the victim was recorded, 75.6% of the victims were black (2).

As the race of the perpetrators may not have been documented in each crime, there is no need to conclude that all of these cases were racially motivated, but the possibilities cannot be ruled out.

As a matter of fact, according to historian Warren Dean, writing about Brazilian plantation systems between the years 1820 and 1920, "violence against the freed (slaves) was a daily thing, and when suspected of raping a white woman, they were lynched" (3).

Lynching in order to protect the "honor" of white women is a well-known American historical fact, but how many of us knew that this type of hate crime happened in the history of Brazil's "harmonious" race relations?
 
When most people think of the crimes committed in Nazi-era Germany, most think of only Jews. Little attention is given to the 250,000 white Germans, mentally handicapped and political opponents that were also exterminated (4).

When analyzing these crimes against humanity by what are perceived to be two of the most racist countries in world history (the US and Germany), two interpretations immediately present themselves; either Brazil treats its black population as bad or worse than two of history's most racist regimes, or none of these three states were racist at all.

The bottom line here is that the existence of whites living in poverty or being victims of atrocities does not necessarily mean that a society is not racist.
 
When one studies social problems it is necessary to ascertain facts and reasons.When a person is a victim of discrimination, it is usually because they possess some quality that is thought to be against the norm.

In the society in which we live (Brazilian and American), some of these ostracized groups include women, homosexuals and blacks. It would not be rational for one to acknowledge that one can be stigmatized for their gender, sexual orientation and class but not their race, color or ethnic group.

If there were some deranged lunatic fitting the description of what TW Adorno called an "authoritarian personality" strongly believed in the accepted social hierarchy of white, middle-class male, Christian heterosexual and he proceeded to kidnap five people and kill them because of their non-membership in this group, would it be impossible that his victims could be female, gay, poor white, black, or Muslim?

As we know the social hierarchy in Brazil also places the middle-class white, male, Christian heterosexual at the top of the pyramid, there are those who want to maintain the status quo at any cost. In all of the countries mentioned above, the authoritarian element is not above exterminating those in the group who may look like them in physical appearance but not possessing other important attributes of belonging to the clique.
 
One of those attributes is mentality. For example, while the portrayal of extremely racist whites dominated the media and subsequent documentaries about the American Civil Rights era in the 1950s and 60s, one rarely heard about those whites who risked or gave their lives in the struggle for racial equality.

Historian David L. Chappell documented how these types of whites contributed to the Civil Rights struggle for his book Inside Agitators. According to Civil Rights leader and former mayor of Atlanta, Georgia, Andrew Young, "If it hadn't been for the kind of white southerners you (Chappell) are talking about, the South would look like Beirut looks today"(5).

In 1965 white Episcopal seminarian Jonathan Daniels was killed in Lowndes County, Alabama, by a KKK sniper. Viola Liuzzo, William Moore, Reverend Bruce Klunder, Reverend James Reeb, Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman are but a few names of whites who were killed because they stood up against people who looked like them in the defense of people who did not look like them (6).

As Glenn Feldman points out, in the defense of white supremacy, "the color of victims made little difference" to the KKK and their supporters as they attacked blacks as well as whites in their wave of terrorism in late 1940s Alabama (7).

As one observer noted, "Nobody cared much what the KKK did to Negroes until the night-gowned riders started beating up...white men and women" (8). With this in mind, I wonder what the reaction would be if Rio's military police started attacking and killing residents of the overwhelmingly white neighborhoods of Ipanema and Copacabana.
 
The "there are poor whites too" argument also doesn't consider the fact that, historically, it was and remains the (visibly) African descendent that elites wanted to rid Brazil of. It is the African descendent that elites hoped to make disappear through continuous mixtures with lighter/whiter-skinned people.

Poor whites who are victimized by corrupt, violent police experience this oppression because of their class, social behavior that is associated with the "other" or other reasons, but not because they are white. This point wasn't lost on one of the people Caco Barcellos interviewed for his book, Rota 66:

- I don't know how I am still alive, Caco. They only kill young, poor mulatos like me.

- Take it easy. Young and poor, yes. But they also kill whites.

- Only if they are accompanying a negro or pardo.

- You're exaggerating.

- You only say that because you are white (9).
 
In a country where the continuous disregard for human life seems so blatant, and the value placed on those lives so low, it amazes me that anyone would be shocked that racism could be a motivating factor. This low value and mark of negativity associated with darker skin color and/or non-European features are certainly present in the minds of the military police.

When communicating with each other through walkie-talkies, the police often describe perceived suspects as having the "standard color"(10). The standard color that these police are speaking of is not white.

One police officer made that very clear when he made a comment to journalist Gilberto Dimenstein. According to this officer, "every black man in a new car is a suspect. And if he runs, I shoot him" (11). Notice this officer didn't say every poor man in a car. Thus, whether a black man is of lower or middle class status, he remains a suspect. As for poor whites, they may indeed be poor, but they are still white.
 
Racist Past, Racist Present
 
Since the colonization of Brazil, the African and African descendent have been recognized as "other" and voices representing the elite have expressed their view that the disappearance of the African descendent would be best for a better, whiter Brazil.

If America's views toward a racialized hierarchy and its population of African descent can be summarized by statements by its elites, Brazil must also be judged in the same manner. Let us make a comparison of how our leaders viewed people of African descent.
 
"Racial crossing not only obliterates the outstanding qualities of the first but is a stimulus to reawakening the primitive attributes of the others.... And, whether an amalgam of the white with blacks or Indians or of both the latter, the mixed-blood is not just an intermediary but a decadent, lacking both the physical energy of his savage forebears and the intellectual height of his superior ancestry" (12).
- Euclides da Cunha (1866-1909). Brazilian engineer, writer and essayist
 
"Compare our present-day Brazil of slavery with the ideal fatherland which we Abolitionists uphold: a country where everyone is free, where, attracted by the free nature of our institutions and the liberty of our government system, European immigration could bring, continuously, into the tropics a stream of lively, energetic, and wholesome Caucasian blood..." (13)
- Joaquim Nabuco(1849-1910). Brazilian politician and writer
 
"I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both body and mind." (14)
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826). Third President of the United States
 
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races... I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race" (15).
- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) Sixteenth President of the United States
 
As one can plainly see, the forefathers of both Brazil and the United States deemed persons of the white race as superior to those of African descent. One must also note that da Cunha also relegated the person of mixed-race to subordinate status.
 
As students of the social sciences are well aware, the average Brazilian continues to insist that the position of the black Brazilian is due to class discrimination as opposed to racial discrimination.

I would agree that class discrimination exists in both American and Brazilian societies, but the fact remains that race, color or racially distinctive physical attributes are one of the main signals of one's presumed class status.

Thus, for the person of African descent in both countries, their status as being black is intricately intertwined with their presumed status of being poor. The association of poverty with blackness is one of the main social prejudices that deters the possibility of equal treatment.
 
The casual observer may be fooled into thinking that class trumps race in Brazil, but again, with closer analysis, the myth is debunked. Consider for instance the case of Arivaldo de Lima Alves, a 37 year old Afro-Brazilian with a Ph.D. in anthropology and a professor at a Brazilian university, who was asked if he wanted to earn some small change by helping to unload a truck (16).

Or the much publicized case of the late Flávio Ferreira Sant'Ana, 28, of São Paulo. Five members of São Paulo's military police riddled Sant'Ana's body with bullets thinking he was the man that had recently assaulted a local businessman. After shooting Sant'Ana, the police placed a gun in his hand to give the appearance of a shootout.

Afterward it was discovered that Sant'Ana was actually a dentist and did not commit this crime. The question one must ask is, if Sant'Ana were white what are the chances that he would have been killed?

Minister of Justice Márcio Thomaz Bastos confirmed what he judged to be the "presence of prejudice" in which "the negro is always a suspect" (17).

Black engineer Luiz Claudio Rosa is the vice-president of the Brazilian branch of telecommunications company Lucent Technologies, yet and still when he arrives in any place where people of Brazil's economic elite usually appear, he is consistently mistaken for a security guard or the driver/chauffeur of some wealthy businessman (18).

What assumption is similar in all three of these examples? The socially-constructed ideology that equates blackness with poverty or lower class status.

If experiences of discrimination of Brazilian blacks were simply class-based, it would be true that once they overcame the odds of attaining higher education and white-collar employment, their firmly established middle-class status would be recognized.

These three examples expose the roots of Brazil's socially recognized/enforced racial hierarchy. Even when blacks achieve middle-class status, the association remains the same.
 
FOOTNOTES
 
1. Lynching Statistics.
http://www.berea.edu/faculty/browners/chesnutt/classroom/lynchingstat.html

2. Souza, Lídio de e Menandro, Paulo Rogério Meira. Vidas apagadas: vítimas de linchamentos ocorridos no Brasil (1990-2000). www.fafich.ufmg.br/~psicopol/pdfv2n4/Capitulo%204.pdf

3. Warren Dean. Rio Claro: um sistema brasileiro de grande lavoura (1820-1920). Rio de Janeiro : Paz e Terra, 1977) cited in Uma História NãoContada: Negro, racismo e branqueamento em São Paulo no pos-abolição by Petronio Domingues (Editora Senac Sao Paulo, 2004)

4. "Hitler, Adolf," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2004.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556540_3/Hitler.html. "Holocaust," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2004. http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761559508/Holocaust.html

5. Chappell, David L. Inside Agitators: White Southerners in the Civil Rights Movement. John Hopkins University Press. 1994.

6. While this paper focuses on racial inequality in Brazil in comparison to the US, I must also point out the fact that, in general, white and black Brazilians DO seem to have more affection across racial lines than in the US. In some regions, one will see black and white Brazilian friends and families who have grown up together show genuine love and care for each other.

It is for this reason that I am so disappointed in the extreme racial inequality that exists in the country. Of course this love and affection between the races begins to dwindle the further up the economic ladder one goes. One, because elite whites are very territorial and two, afrodescendentes are rare in economically privileged neighborhoods.

Poorer white and black neighbors often live side-by-side, different from the US where even the poor whites and poor blacks are segregated. Yet and still, even amongst the poorest blacks and whites, there exists an overall belief in white superiority that rears it head from time to time.

7. Feldman, Glenn. "Soft Opposition: Elite Acquiescence and Klan- Sponsored Terrorism in Alabama, 1946-1950." Historical Journal, Volume 40, #3, September 1997.

8. Ibid.

9. Barcellos, Caco. Rota 66. Record 2003

10. "elemento suspeito da cor padrão". Amar, Paul E. "Reform in Rio: Reconsidering the Myths of Crime and Violence". NACLA, Volume 37, Issue 2, September/October 2003. Leitão, Miriam. "Rosa de Alabama." O Globo. October 30, 2005. Reproduced in Diário de São Paulo, October 30, 2005. Available online July 26, 2006. http://www.sc.gov.br/clipping_governo/coluna_int.asp?str_data=30/10/2005&str_ retorno=clipping.asp&cd_coluna_desc=35931.

11. Dimenstein, Gilberto. O cidadão de papel: A infância, a adolescência e os Direitos Humanos no Brasil. São Paulo, Ática, 2000.

12. Santos, Sales Augusto dos. "Historical Roots of the "Whitening" of Brazil ". Latin American Perspectives, Vol. 29, No. 1, 2002.

13. Ibid.

14. Taken from Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, originally published in 1787 as quoted in Of Racism and Remembrance by Aaron Garrett. http://www.common-place.org/vol-01/no-04/garrett/

15. Taken from the Sixth Debate with Steven A. Douglas at Quincy, Ill., Oct. 13, 1858, Abraham Lincoln, The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln as quoted in Abraham Lincoln: Dark Side of a Liberator by David Sztybel, Ph.D. http://sztybel.tripod.com/lincoln.html

16. Alvez, Daniel. "Preconceito sem fim". Correio Braziliense. http://www.fetecpr.org.br/service/noticias/default_ver.asp?varid=4569.

17. Prado, Antonio Carlos. "O dentista tiradentes". http://www.terra.com.br/istoe/1793/brasil/1793_dentista_tiradentes.htm

18. Melo, Liana. "Igualdade racial é blefe".http://www.terra.com.br/istoe/1672/economia/1672_igualdade_racial.htm
 
This is part two of a multi-piece article.
 
Mark Wells holds a bachelor's degree in Anthropology from the University of Michigan-Dearborn and is currently working on a Master's Degree in Social Justice at Marygrove College in Detroit, Michigan. He can be reached at quilombhoje72@yahoo.

© 2007 Mark Wells



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written by e harmony, January 12, 2007
Continuing with the theme of "those racists Americans", most people are familiar with the heinous crime of lynching that terrorized the African-American community in the past century. What many of us don't know is that in the years that lynchings were most prevalent, 1882-1968, 27.3% of all lynching victims (1,297 of 4,743) in the US were white (1).


Yeah it's true quite a number of white people got lynched. However I find it a leap for you to compare Rio's police to the KKK. My black grandfather was chased out of the south - as he tells it - by the KKK. He had to flee because they were going to kill him for defending his black mother against an insult from a white men. As a matter of fact exactly how old are you? In your 20's or 30's? Because black men of the "Baby Boomer" generation that were raised down in the U.S. South as children tell me of how they can vividly recall their mothers having to move out of the way as white people walked by. Hell, my black great uncle who fought in WWII couldn't even go in "white only" facilities in the U.S. South after returning from European theaters of war, while German POW's were being held in the U.S. Southern states and allowed to walk around and eat in the white restaurants while my uncle and other black veterans that fought against them couldn't.



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written by e harmony, January 12, 2007
Continuing from my post above...


My feeling is people from the U.S. must consider Brazil a potential threat: socially, politically, and economically. Otherwise if Brazil is so bad why bother visiting a site about her, why concern one's self with Rio and allow Detroit, Baltimore, and Cleveland to go downward? Why project Brazil as a bad place for Blacks, Japanese, Lebanese, mestizo, mulatto and any others not part of the white elite, would one do the same for Lagos, Nigeria? Fact is Brazil is a heavily mixed-race while mulattoes included with the U.S. black population only constitute roughly 12% of the population which begs the question how that happened when Brazil was supposedly "whitening" it's population but the United States wasn't?

It is true Brazil has racial issues, all of the colonized Americas do, I will not deny this. I'm also sure certain levels of myths are woven into the Brazilian cultural belief about themselves as myths are woven into all nations beliefs about themselves. Yet, I find it annoying at the level of academic swagger people sometimes want to put into discrediting areas Brazil is esteemed in. I would have less trouble with academic gymnastics if it was equally applied to all nations and peoples. For instance, with all the ethnic strife in some black African nations can we get an essay giving dates and numbers with footnotes projecting the essentially racists structures and motivated murders amongst these black African peoples? Or is it ideologically essential that we produce essays speaking of the civility, tolerance, love, and greatness of various black African peoples and nations. Is Capoeira in Brazil only "essentially good" if we credit it to black Africans? What about the Gracie Family and Brazilian Jujitsu and that family's various hews what does that show or result from in a sociological way, or what might it say to an anthropologist? What I would like to know is why is it American (USA) writers seem to so often believe that matters of historical pride related to culture, nation, and so called race must skip all of Latin America with Brazil included but jump from the United States and Canada to Europe and Africa? If the Nigerians did internationally to Judo transforming it into imaginative "jujitsu" as the Brazilian Gracie family did with Judo by ways of a Japanese immigrant (the Gracie have Scottish and other bloodlines - many of them are clearly mixed) you would never hear the end of it from black Americans. It would be offered up as another one of the greatnesses of black peoples and black Africans.

I have no doubt in the greatness of black peoples or black Africans or even the endurance and tenacity of many predominately black nation states in Africa. Some times greatness is in struggles and endurance and in creativity with the very little you are given to do with materially. Greatness is not always in having the most abundance in material means and the latest technology or by how many people within your geographical region can kill themselves from heart disease or diabetes. Brazil, and all her people, be they Asian, white, black, brown, of various racial mixtures or even of two combined genders, if they be of Christian religious celebration turned into a bodily Africanized carnaval, or even if they take an Asiatic grappling martial art and redefine it in her own terms and proudly give it the Brazilian handle, they are rightly lawful in having their own unique historical pride, just as Americans (USA) will grant onto themselves, or Indians (Asia) onto themselves, or Nigerians and French onto themselves.
Black Goebeels
written by A brazilian, January 12, 2007
The writer continues his crusade of repeating a thousand lies until they become true. He bases his reasoning on facts he cannot prove and anecdotal evidence of "who said what" of a few people, or quotes supposedly from people from the 19th century. When he actually uses numbers then he compares KKK to Brasil (sic), is this serious?

Then he twists the text by mixing Civil Rights and Brazil facts, citations to Civil Rights sources, etc, as if it was the "same thing".

I find funny when americans want to talk about racism in Brazil they need to go all the way back to the 19th century. In the US they can remember it from the 60s!!

As a matter of fact, according to historian Warren Dean, writing about Brazilian plantation systems between the years 1820 and 1920, "violence against the freed (slaves) was a daily thing, and when suspected of raping a white woman, they were lynched" (3).


Oh great, 18xx ? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Get over it. From that time until now Brazil received much more influx of immigrants, it has become something else.

In a country where the continuous disregard for human life seems so blatant, and the value placed on those lives so low, it amazes me that anyone would be shocked that racism could be a motivating factor.


And americans value life so much they kill people by the thousands in Iraq and Afeghanistan and torture prisoners in secret prisons all over the world.

This low value and mark of negativity associated with darker skin color and/or non-European features are certainly present in the minds of the military police.


You forget to mention to the readers of this site that the "military police" is composed also by the people with "darker skin color and/or non-European features".

It is the African descendent that elites hoped to make disappear through continuous mixtures with lighter/whiter-skinned people.


You are contradicting yourself. If mixed people "aren't really white", as americans want everyone to believe, how can they get rid of it by mixing? Wouldn't the exact opposite happen, like everyone become black then?

BTW, you are sick. You want to make believe there's a systematic program for whitening, and any brazilian can tell that if they say blacks and whites together was out of their free will. This is simply ridiculous, it could only come from a segregated society that encourages people to be different, i.e., racially different, from each other.

Since the colonization of Brazil, the African and African descendent have been recognized as "other" and voices representing the elite have expressed their view that the disappearance of the African descendent would be best for a better, whiter Brazil.


I fail to see how colonization values, from hundreds of years ago, apply in a context of the 21st century. Especially because the greatest atrocities regarding race were committed by americans, europeans and africans in the course of the 20th century, not brazilians.
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written by Will Pickering - Campinas SP, January 12, 2007
Another good article, but when Mark wrote, "In the society in which we live (Brazilian and American), some of these ostracized groups include women, homosexuals and blacks." I think he is descending into politically correct cliché. Are women really "ostracized" in Brazil and the US? How about writing a comparison of the role of women in the two cultures? It would be quite interesting, although no doubt some of the commenters on this site would soon turn it into a debate about bundas vs. bid tits.

It is important to note that non-black Brazilians (whites and "mixed") have very different opinions on the discrimination issue than do Brazillian blacks. I think Brazilian whites are pretty oblivious to this difference in perspective, even more so than whites in the US are with regard to the attitudes of US blacks.
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written by Will Pickering - Campinas SP, January 12, 2007
I meant "bundas vs. big tits". No, I don't want to hear a discussion of the subject.
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written by A brazilian, January 12, 2007
It is important to note that non-black Brazilians (whites and "mixed") have very different opinions on the discrimination issue than do Brazillian blacks.


So now mixed aren't blacks anymore and you all speak on behalf of the "brazilians blacks". So do you think they would agree with you? That's not what I see here.
Statistiacal bullcrap
written by notsouglyamerican, January 12, 2007
Mr. Wells here's a statistic for you.
100% of the people with cancer have been awake. Therefore; the state of being awake causes cancer.
It's bull.
Yes, there is racisim, and always will be. It's my opinion, that color is the easiest thing for people to use to justify their own failings. Sam got the job because he is white( or black or whatever), not because he was the best candidate.
There are a host of reasons for peoples to feel superior over others, most of it fiction.

Here is what I don't get in the USA. W.E.B Dubois, Frederick Douglass, George Washington Carver an many other blacks were intellectual giants while racisim was still legal and widely practiced in the USA. These guys sold what little food they had to learn from poor white kids what was taught in school. Today,how many blacks would do that ? In certain circles, blacks who do well in school are accused of "selling out, or being Uncle Tom's etc."
Education is the key to make racisim irrelevant.
The true goal of alleged social scientists ( I say alleged because what you do isn't science) should be to make racisim irrelevant, eradication is almost impossible.

I also find it amazing that social scientists use the past to make the present irrelevant. Using Lincoln's quote about blacks in the 1800's to make the strides in race realtions today irrelevant. That's like saying heart transplants are voodoo because Dr.'s once used leeches as a cure of disease.
Sorry Brazilians, as an American I had thought that there were perhaps things we could learn from you on race relations here is America. According to the author, this is wrong. I guess he needs to create these issues in order to validate his choice of a false science.
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written by DavidB, January 12, 2007
A fixaction with the pigmentation of one's skin is an excuse, not a solution.
America is built on a capitalistic system. Work hard, do good.
I will not carry your baggage in my life.
To e harmony
written by ch.c., January 12, 2007
You are talking about the past.....your father/mother !
Things have changed since then...and you know it.
Bug things have not changed yet in Brazil and will not change much during this century.

As to the history of Brazil, curious but not a word that the country promoted Europeans decades ago to emigrates to Brazil......
TO WHITEN...YESSSSS WHITEN...THE BRAZILIAN SOCIETY !!!!!!!!

If that was not racism...what wast it ????

As to the lynching, simple maths shows that Brazil lynched 700 people in 10 years while in the U.S., with much bigger population than Brazil the number was 4000......but during 86 years.
Conclusion on that subject shows that a life is not worth much, still today in Brazil !
Just look at the impunity provided to Brazilian white killers, or the trials that start years after the killings, some as late as 19 years....just to end up with a verdict of non guilty !
Here too...if it is/was not racism...what is it ?

No doubt that recently the young Brazilian woman, aged 19, who got a verdict of 4 years in jail, because she has stolen.....
a tube of butter......is NOT WHITE !
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written by Sam Whigham, January 12, 2007
We must remember regardless of what country and race and class, there is and will always be adifferent economic and racial differences within a country.

As long as it is a world of different races and diffrent resources the top 5-10% (or ruling party) of a country will control and command more than half of the countries income, political deciscions, this will remain true for any country, the working class,(middle class) and the poor will always have less control and less access to the income of the top 5-10%. A small minority will always control the large majority.

The beautiful black race in whatever country have always been discriminated and held back the most. Even if a white person would say they are not racist, they do things intentionally and unintentionally that are considered to be racist. This is not to say all white people are like that, but in some of them it is in them even when they say they are not racist. Its the unconscious side of them that makes them feel superior to a particular color of skin. Until we learn to live as human people instead of a class or race social and economic injustice will prevail.

An example of class and race is Dafur where many are dying. I say race is an issue becausse many countries turn their back because its an african nation. Class because one class dislikes another class within the country.
Ch.c
written by A brazilian, January 12, 2007
You keep repeating the same things over and over again. What's with the woman that was arrested for stealing butter? Have you told the people here about that little rich blonde girl and her boyfriend that assassinated her parents and should be arrested for 19 years?

The system might be imperfect, but it's not like that. Nobody is targetting blacks, it happens that usually rich and powerful people have the means to be "persuasive" and poors do not. It's like in any other country.

Other than your little example you are just repeating the same statistical manipulation as the author did, grow up. If you don't like Brazil then just don't come here (to Brazil) and go do something of your life more interesting, like working, a hobby, sex, etc. Just get a life.

BTW, your european friends came TO REPLACE SLAVES IN THE FARMS. They came to do slave jobs, treated like s**t. Remember that, humble beginnings. So much some countries forbid in the past, for a short period of time, people to come here saying Brazil was making slaves out of Europeans.
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written by A brazilian, January 12, 2007
Have you told the people here about that little rich blonde girl and her boyfriend that assassinated her parents and should be arrested for 19 years?


Correction, she WILL be in jail for 19 years and she is already.
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written by e harmony, January 12, 2007
written by ch.c., 2007-01-12 16:07:55

You are talking about the past.....your father/mother !
Things have changed since then...and you know it.
Bug things have not changed yet in Brazil and will not change much during this century. (1.1)

As to the history of Brazil, curious but not a word that the country promoted Europeans decades ago to emigrates to Brazil......
TO WHITEN...YESSSSS WHITEN...THE BRAZILIAN SOCIETY !!!!!!!!
(1.2)

If that was not racism...what wast it ???? (1.3)

As to the lynching, simple maths shows that Brazil lynched 700 people in 10 years while in the U.S., with much bigger population than Brazil the number was 4000......but during 86 years.
Conclusion on that subject shows that a life is not worth much, still today in Brazil !
Just look at the impunity provided to Brazilian white killers, or the trials that start years after the killings, some as late as 19 years....just to end up with a verdict of non guilty !
Here too...if it is/was not racism...what is it ?

No doubt that recently the young Brazilian woman, aged 19, who got a verdict of 4 years in jail, because she has stolen.....
a tube of butter......is NOT WHITE !


@ 1.1: Brazil elected a former shoe shine boy with a missing finger to it Presidency, I think some things have changed.

@ 1.2: And I suppose the United States in the early 20th century was not marketing herself to European immigrants but to Africans, Asians, and Middle Eastern folks? Yeah... the United States never became more "white" after the Mayflower this was only a Brazilian phenomenon (post-slavery Brazil).

@ 1.3: Uh... I don't know how about Margret Sanger's prescription for the "Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy" (as one of her board members titled his own book) by the United States manipulating countries of largely populated by dark non-white people to adopt population control. I believe today most "developing nations" to accept aid from the United States must agree to implement "population control."
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written by not on the beach but soon will, January 13, 2007
Americans, this Mark Weels words are only echoing your mentality here in Brazil. Mark, I think you'll need to keep working a great deal more in your degree. And if you ever accomplish it without changing a bit your mentality, it will only state the incompetence of US universities : )
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written by not on the beach but soon will, January 13, 2007
I just cannot believe there is still this myth called not so ugly american LOL. More seriously, the words of he/she were good indeed. Cannot believe I'm writing this! smilies/grin.gif
TO THE PERFECT IDIOT MR. CH.C
written by JC, January 13, 2007
Here is a new subject you know NOTHING Mr. IDIOT (Ch.c ) read about that!!!
Lets never forget "The taskagee experiment" !!! Never!!!
Informe youself before you talk.!
TV
written by forrest allen brown, January 13, 2007
Just watch TV in brasil how many blacks do you see if front
other than dancers !
why do we allways go to the past
i am white but no one i my past family life ever owned slaves , but we are all put in to that pile .
go back to the sorce , tribes selling other blacks to arabis whom sold to dutch and they sold over the world .
only after the US and england blew up the slave markets along the coast did most of the trade stop
look at the belgum congo what the dutch king did there in slaved the whole country .

how many rubber plantation owners in the amozon did in the 1900.to get rich off the slaves the kept

how many charlors make slave wages for white owners

cain growers make slave wages for there owners

and the goverment will not pass a pay raise to at leas $500 r a month for the people
but try to make over 11 times the national avrage

lets work on that one . the here and now
Ohhhhh JC is back !!!!!
written by ch.c., January 13, 2007
How are you the most idiot of all ?
Are you not the master who said that Brazil grew by 5 % in 2005 ?????????
Are you not the master who denied the fact that Brazil grew the least in 2005 after Haiti within the LATAM/Caribean
countries ?????????

Sorry for you Buddy but not only you were dead wrong, but sadly enough you just did a repeat in 2006 for the lowest economic growth rate.....after Haiti...!!!!!!

But with idiots like you, it is not surprising but quite normal !

Therefore let me return your comments : inform yourself before you talk and insult someone !

And sorry for you again but Brazil in the early 1900's promoted Europeans to emigrate to Brazil...to whiten the population !!!!!!!
But with uneducated people like you, it is not surprising that you are not aware of your own history.....despite it is written in many books.

By the way, when was the last time you have read a book ? What book ? Brazilians read an average of 1,8 book....per year.... as you know.....since you are a regular reader of this site, you probably have read the article on that subject several months ago !
And as yourself prefer to watch the TV soap operas, I bet that your last book reading was....years ago !

Also dont you remember your threats to me ? What have you done since ? Sadly for you it happens I was again not so wrong.....for the plane crash tragedy. Forgotten ? My suspicions have been proven all over the places......even if that doesnt please you.

Enjoy your life in your Tropical Mud, totally corrupted, totally uneducated even at the top levels, unable to prosper even at the average rate of your peers, the other developing countries !
Let me refresh your memory that not only has Brazil a low education rate , but also a bad education quality.
Brazil has 10,5 % of students with University degree, while South Korea, another developing country, has 86,5 % !!!!!
I bet that you are not even one of these 10,5 %.....Mr Lozeida !!!!!!!!

To JC Lozeida...again !
written by ch.c., January 13, 2007
if you can type 2 words, go to yahoo, type......whiten brazil......
AND YOU WILL FIND MANY ARTICLES, ABOUT THE....... WITHENING OF BRAZIL..... WITH EUROPEAN EMIGRANTS IN THE 1900'S !!!!!!

Simple demonstration that the one stupid between you and me....is not me !
Simple demonstration that you, Mr Lozeida, dont even know the history of your own country....as said in my previous comment !
Simple demonstration that you are totally uneducated.....Mr Lozeida !

As you said : Inform youself before you talk ! But do you have this capability ?
Doubtful !!!!! Laugh laugh laugh !!!!!!
continued...for Lozeida
written by ch.c., January 13, 2007
for your own education, here is part of an article on Brazil history :

The relationship of immigration to national identity is as politically controversial in Latin America today as it was during the 19th century. At that time, as Brazilian elites were forced to eliminate slavery, they sought to replace their African-descended labor force with European workers. Just as millions of African descendants became citizens of Brazil, hundreds of thousands of immigrants entered in a hierarchically advantaged position. As a result, an enormous group of Brazilian citizens suffered intense discrimination and prejudice, while newcomers often advanced up the social and economic ladder. The disconnect between ethnic origin and Brazilian nationality became ever more apparent, and concepts of race and nation became metaphorically linked in defining Brazilian identity.
Immigration was a crucial step in both the expansion of the economy and the creation of a post-colonial Brazilian national identity in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The largest groups of immigrants came from Italy, Portugal, and Spain. Elites hoped they would “whiten” Brazil racially and emulate the industrial achievements of Central Europe and the United States.



And you have many other articles......on that subject !

S M I L E

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written by Ric, January 14, 2007
Interesting in this last week´s Veja Magazine, p. 48, if a drunk driver hits and kills a black person and is arrested at the time of the accident, under Brazilian law he or she can post bail and remain free while the legal process goes forward. But if the same driver rolls down his window and calls the black person names or terms considered racially offensive, and is taken into custody, he is held without bail.
Mr. Bush - Tear Down This Wall.
written by Costinha, January 14, 2007
So they can keep poor Mexican migrant workers out... The ones that performed the work that lazy americans will not do. Above all else, hey, this is America. The land of wars, racism, blind greed, preversion, dominance, etc.

Yet, these idiots post in their currency "In God We Thrust." Shameless!
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written by Ric, January 14, 2007
"In God We Thrust"? That´s interesting.

One big difference between the US and Brazil has been the reluctance of the Brazlian educated elite to dirty their hands, in comparision to the states where doing manual labor is not considered beneath one´s dignity. So your accusation is without merit to anyone aquainted with both. But in the past few years the costs due to labor laws in Brazil have helped foster a "do it yourself" attitiude, unthinkable a generation ago....
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written by jabmalassie, January 14, 2007
In 2005, various cases of racism were denounced to police and reported in the Brazilian media. [3] [4] In 2006, a judicial measure was opened by the Brazil federal justice denouncing a 20-year-old student accused of racism against blacks and spreading defamatory content on Orkut. [5]. Brazilian Federal Justice subpoenaed Google [6] on March 2006 to explain the crimes that had occurred in Orkut.


To Costinha
written by ch.c., January 14, 2007
Why doesnt Brazil tears down its own wall....for all the South American/Caribean countries...such as Peru, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, Jamaïca, Ecuador etc etc ??????

You have a country with a lot of wealth. Just look at the salaries of your politicians and your civil servants. Unbeaten...in your region. Unebeaten even in many European countries. And your country size is as large as the USA...isnt it ????? But your population is just 2/3 of America.
No doubt that many millions of these friendly countries citizens will accept the same wages as your civil servants. Eventually you will end up having a better economic growth....finally !

Because stats being what they are...who in your view is the most lazy ? Those who grow the most or those who grow the least ??????
I just remind you that for a second consecutive year...probably also for 2007, Brazil is the country with the lowest economic growth of ALL LATAM and Caribean countries....after Haiti !

Thus to whom should/could Brazil give a lesson ?
Or should it not be wiser that Brazilians take lessons and learn to grow as your peers do ?????

And if Brazil is such a Tropical Paradise why dont millions of foreign baby boomers retiring by now.....dont chose Brazil...but rather prefer to go elsewhere ?

And if Brazil is the country of the future and always will be....as De Gaulle said,
you are the country in need of local and foreign workers...just as the wealthier countries did...when they had important economic growth !
And if de Gaulle was right...why are millions of Brazilians chosing or dreaming to emigrate either in the USA/Europe/Japan and not the opposite way ?????

Lets be fair, Brazil is a Tropical Mud and not a Tropical Paradise.

Even your tourism sector is in deficit, meaning that Brazilians spend more abroad than foreigner spend in Brazil !
Sad reality, that Brazil is probably the second worst tropical country on this planet...after Haiti, to have a negative tourism account !!!!!!!
Much smaller countries such as mine receive far more tourism than Brazil, and we are not even a country with sea access and have a bad overall climate !
ALL tropical countries have a real booming tourism industry...but not Brazil !!!!

That truly say how BAD Brazil effectively is !

Impressively great are your...failures...even on that point !

Finally if you still believe that Brazil is a tropical paradise with great future, why are well over 2 millions Brazilians Illegally in the USA and Europe , and not 2 millions or more Americans or Europeans having chosed to work or retire Legally...... in Brazil ??????
Dear CH.C.
written by Costinha, January 14, 2007
Smell this (.....o.....) pooooooooooooof!

Tlak to someone who cares... inverted rectum!
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written by Luca, Rome, January 15, 2007
Rich white Brazilians in Ipanema should just shut up and not complain about crime at all because crime itself is an immediate effect of fighting crime NOT by providing education and services to the young gererations in the favelas BUT rather just lock themselves up in vigilantes-patrolled condos with swimming pools and rejoice when police shoot people in favelas like nazis (guilty or not, it doesn't really matter to them, as to "Ipanema people" they're just sub-humans) or get shocked when a rich bitch in Leblon gets shot. The wealth of the upper classes in Brazil is only possible due to slavery-cheap labour, so the Ipanemans and the likes cannot demand slavery-based richness and then refuse its consequences: crime.Brazil is the most racist country in the world where races don't exist but where everbody wants to be whiter (or at leats that's what TV culture points at all the time)
brasil
written by Anderson, January 15, 2007
a lot of the brazilian people arent racist but also they arent the ones running the country, the ones who run the country are corrupt racists and they dont like the black and the poor population.
all they think about is how the lawenforcers only enforce thru others and not themseves.
Brasileiros
written by A brazilian, January 15, 2007
Como vocês podem ver existe uma agenda clara sendo seguida por grupos estrangeiros, através de estatísticas falsas e manipulação dos dados estão querendo destruir a "brasilidade" do Brasil, ou seja, fazer pressão para nos incluir na seu mundo racista.

Eles não toleram que pessoas que não sejam como eles pensem ser melhores. Na sua mentalidade racista "brasileiro" é sub-raça e deveríamos estar conscientes disso. É um ultraje ao pensamento anglo-saxão que pessoas não anglo-saxãs possam desenvolver uma mentalidade sadia com outros seres humanos.

Isso e a idéia de império, onde eles dão a última palavra. Modos de vida desviantes, como uma sem raça, não é permitida.

They don't tolerate people that aren't like them to think they can be better. In their racist mentality "brazilian" is a sub-race and we should be conscious of that. It's an outrage to the anglo-saxon thinking that non-anglo-saxons can develop a healthy mentality towards other human beings.

That and the idea of empire, where they give the last word. Deviant way of lives, like a raceless one, aren't allowed.

O pessoal mais ofensivo, simplesmente repete o mesmo tipo de mentalidade dos demais, apenas é mais direto e usar textos menos floreados. No final o resultado é o mesmo. Espero que isso sirva para demonstrar as intenções nefastas dessas pessoas que se fingem de bem intencionadas.
Parallel in history
written by A brazilian, January 15, 2007
Imaginem isso, os índios viviam "sem Deus" e isso foi usado como pretexto pelos portugueses para invadir esse lugar. Nós vivemos "sem raça" e isso está sendo usado da mesma forma, um pretexto moral para nos "ensinar" sobre a "verdade".

A história está se repetindo, não deixem que o resultado seja o mesmo!

Picture this, the indians lived "without God" and that was used as pretext by the portuguese to invade this place. We live "without race" and this is being used in the same way by the powers-that-be, a moral pretext "to teach" us about "the truth".

The history is repeating itself, let's not allow the outcome to be the same!
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written by Ric, January 16, 2007
And just how do you propose that we go about it?
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007

To a brazilian

I am not going to waste my time quoting what you said as the others do.

It is just sad you just don't get it, do you?

People like you are responsible for the way Brazil is: You insist on pretending everything is ok.

There is no problems. Sad sad sad.

How many people do you see on the buses reading books?

Aha, you probably don't travel by bus.

Look at our college student!

Low grades! Cannot write properly because they cannot read properly and by reading I mean understand what they read.

Maybe you should enquire about asking CVs with photos. You are in for a big surprise.

Of course! you would have to ask in the right place. No point going to a black people run company ask this question.

Or going to a "politically correct "one also,for you are going to receive a "of course we love all colours!

Open your eyes! Brazil is crumbling around you and you just don't see.

I work as a volunteer and have my job also.

I am brazilian and I know what I am talking about, unlike you who seems to live in wonderland.

Wake up Alice!
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To Anderson:

No matter what the Americans are trying to do.

We are doing far worse by selling a false image of our country to the world.

Let's face the truth. It is much more dignifying.

Yes, we have problems and Brazil isn't Ipanema and Leblon.

We are a racist and prejudicial country.

But we keeping denying this fact.

For God sake!

To my friends everything; to my enemies, the law.

That is the philosophy of Brazilian dominant society.

And that is that!
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
People like you are responsible for the way Brazil is: You insist on pretending everything is ok.



I've been telling him that for weeks now, but he's so proudfully blind, he just can't see it. Instead everything is an american plot to take over brazil, lol.

I mean, for the love of christ, look what's gone on in this country just in the last 6 months, killing police, civilians, burning buses while innocent passengers are inside, in sao paulo and rio. Attempted car jacking of the brazilian chief justice, just last friday a high ranking military official was carjacked and killed, plots to kill other high ranking officials because they've uncovered corruption scams.....

No wonder millions of brazilians per year decide to leave to go to north america or europe, whatever they need to do to get out of brazil.....true shame.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
Low grades! Cannot write properly because they cannot read properly and by reading I mean understand what they read.


Speak for yourself.

Maybe you should enquire about asking CVs with photos. You are in for a big surprise.


This was the most laughable, pathetic, ridiculous, clueless thing I have ever heard about!! The only jobs that require good appearance are the ones that deal directly with the public, and for that I must agree with it.

Open your eyes! Brazil is crumbling around you and you just don't see.


What!?

I am brazilian and I know what I am talking about, unlike you who seems to live in wonderland.


I am brazilian living in Brazil and I can tell you 100% for sure you are wrong. You should try to know Brazil a little better.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
I've been telling him that for weeks now, but he's so proudfully blind, he just can't see it. Instead everything is an american plot to take over brazil, lol.


I think many people aren't slightly interested in Brazil, but just promoting certain agendas. Whatever the problems are there's no use in bashing Brazil and brazilians in here, it won't help at all.

You are the "bad news" picker, the one that search newspapers and keep pasting it here. I don't do the same regarding the US because I don't have time to waste, but it would be equally pointless.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
We are a racist and prejudicial country.

But we keeping denying this fact.


Whatever problems you may have I think you are in the wrong place. This website is not designed towards helping Brazil in anyway, but just pushing and promoting international agendas, spreading misinformation, etc. Full of all kinds of bigots, with "Bo" being a shiny example of it.

I really think this affirmation of yours is false. Brazil is far healthier racially than the US, and even more than Europe. I only wish some people could fight for improvement in life instead of whining, that would be a winner strategy instead of a loser strategy.
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a Brazilian:

I have told you I live here.

I know Brazil so well to the point of not trying to conceal the disaster this place is.

You keep saying speak for yourself over and over.

Is that all you have to say?

Stop being a child and face the facts.

And the facts are:

Brazil is a place that did not work out.

And that is a fact!

Wake up sleeping beauty!
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
You are the "bad news" picker, the one that search newspapers and keep pasting it here. I don't do the same regarding the US because I don't have time to waste, but it would be equally pointless.



Go for it, there's a lot of bad news in the U.S. to cut and paste. But at least the situation WITHIN our own country is not so grave that we're deploying the military in the streets of our cities to protect our own citizens against other citizens!! We don't have daily car-jackings with people being murdered, chief justices car-jacked, high ranking military officials car-jacked and killed. People in the streets burning people alive inside of buses.....and you question the statement that "brazil is crumbing around you"??

Denial, denial, denial, it's NOT a river in Egypt!
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
And the facts are:

Brazil is a place that did not work out.

And that is a fact!


Wow, so many facts I can't even start thinking of it!! Ask the gringo "Ric" to write a critique about "how it would go in Berkeley" about your text.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
and you question the statement that "brazil is crumbing around you"??


Then prove it!!! (Thank you Ric, I will start using this more).
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written by e harmony, January 16, 2007
The truth of the matter is this: Brazil is an improving country better that it was a century ago and its steady improvements are such that Americans (USA) need to attack her. I know the American (USA) character well, and Americans (USA) do not waist time talking bad or attempting to convince a nation's peoples they are the worse on earth unless they fear them. Russia, Haiti, Romania, South Africa, there are plenty of nations for gringos to expend the effort bashing as they do Brazil but the difference is they know Brazil is a rising country.

Plus it must be remembered, like video game companies pay persons to assume multiple identities on internet discussion boards to bad mouth other rivaling video games, so too the United States Government and U.S. headquartered corporate companies likely employ people to enter internet discussion forums under multiple identities and bad mouth countries it considers either a social, political, or economic threat and "unfriendly" to U.S. interests. It's common tactic, I am told, that a person hired by one of these video game companies will hold conversations with all the character identities he or she assumes, and a person under these multiple identities will try and build "friendships" with other real people on the discussion boards - in this way they employ psychological warfare.

As for reading, the last phase of Constantinople reminds me of contemporary United States. Note in WWII all Americans (USA) were called upon to invest themselves in the war by giving up materially back here in the mainland. Supposedly the War on Terror is claimed to be one of the greatest fights for U.S. security and way of life, yet people have noted that the U.S. Government has only asked "the war families" to give of themselves. In the last phase of Constantinople the great city that was once a glittering wealthy jewel in the world, had a well trained fighting force that mixed both Western European heavy cavalry warfare tactics with the Asian mounted archery skills, a great fighting force but one that could not depend upon the larger public. The numbers of men willing to fight for the city dwindled, while her fighting force remained par excellent professionals, the vast majority of Constantinople's men became what we would term today in the USA as "metro-sexual." At least this is the image we are given by Crusaders of them. A people that had became overly materialistic with a feminine mannered men they are said to have been.

The U.S. is still strong, but there are signs of it going into latter stages of empire or final phase. As with the Soviet Union we know empires no longer need to take 100 years to collapse - and they can collapse with a speed their citizenry may not be prepared for. Currently, some say the United States is moving toward a "Latin American" model of socio-economics wherein their will be almost no middle class in the coming future and just a large gap and contrast between the rich and poor. One thing is likely, if the USA collapses like the Soviet Empire did, it is doubtful it will have the internal social cohesion to remain as socially stable as Brazil. Since ethnic/racial gangs in the U.S. war with one another in times of unheard of national prosperity logic would only seem to conclude the racial warfare would increase during a massive long term depression along with the collapse of the state as an almighty power. I'm not sure the U.S. would become a Balkans but I'm sure it would be worse than what it is today.
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written by Luca, Rome, January 16, 2007
I love Brazil and my interest in its culture does not mean I cannot discuss about certain negative factst like, for example, the blindness of many Brazilians (many of whom by sheer coincidence appear to be white and rich ) regarding the destructive problem of Brazilian crime and the idea that it should only be tackled with 1) vigilantes 2) barbed-wire condominums 3) private guards for one's daughters 4) random-shooting by police tanks in the favelas 5) on the spot killing for thieves. In the end rich Brazilians (=ruling class) who only see things through their wallets should understand that it is actually more expensive to live in a golden patrolled cage kind-of-socitey than investing on real social solutions (education and better social conditions for the poor). And regardless of all the money spent on security that will never be enough to prevent you to be shot at some traffic lights in Leblon at day time as news reported recently.



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written by bo, January 16, 2007
Russia, Haiti, Romania, South Africa, there are plenty of nations for gringos to expend the effort bashing as they do Brazil but the difference is they know Brazil is a rising country.



How is brazil a "rising" country? Economically? It grew the least of all latin american countries besides Haiti last year! Security? Well, just turn on the news, security in brazil is a MAJOR issue, no one is safe. People live in houses that are surrounded by 12 foot high walls and bars over the doors and windows, or you live in an apartment building with security guards.

Please, show us how brazil is "rising" overall. The quality of life. Brazil never was a "safe" place to live, nor one where people look to go for opportunities to better their future, and it's not getting any better in those respects.
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
and you question the statement that "brazil is crumbing around you"??



Then prove it!!! (Thank you Ric, I will start using this more).



Just turn on your tv bobão, even globo, which is censored, shows most of the daily horrors in brazil.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
which is censored


What!?
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
How is brazil a "rising" country?


Brazil has been economically stable and improving steadily for at least 13 years now, before that it had a big growth during the 60s, 70s and some times in the past.
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
You don't believe globo is and has been censored by the brazilian judicial system???? You ARE ignorant!!


How many links to censorship, decisions by the brazilian judicial system ordering news stations and newspapers in brazil to "cease and desist" about certain stories of corruption......DO YOU WANT THE LINKS??!!
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
razil has been economically stable and improving steadily for at least 13 years now, before that it had a big growth during the 60s, 70s and some times in the past.



So hasn't ALL countries that haven't been at war, with the exception of the U.S. which continues to grow, much moreso than brazil and IS at war.

Brazil, even though the WORLD grew at a rate above 4% last year, didn't even grow 3%!!! So it didnt even make PAR with the REST OF THE WORLD.....and the ONLY country that did WORSE than brazil in latin america was HAITI!!!


You call that a "rising" country?
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
How many links to censorship, decisions by the brazilian judicial system ordering news stations and newspapers in brazil to "cease and desist" about certain stories of corruption......DO YOU WANT THE LINKS??!!


I actually do, show them.

Brazil, even though the WORLD grew at a rate above 4% last year, didn't even grow 3%!!!


I think that is a gross simplification.

You call that a "rising" country?


Yes.
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a Brazilian:

Who hides behind this silly nick...

You are a disgrace to our country.

There is no point in denying this is a place that DID NOT WORK OUT!

This mixture of race is simply a disgrace.DID NOT WORK OUT! Either.

Brazilian people are selfish.

People still live in utter poverty and you still go on gabbing about growth.

Where is the money?

"Show me the money"

There is no money.

All that bulls**t about GDP is just for show.

Brazilian people are dying in hospital queues.

Public health service without medicine for people who live below poverty line and who need essential medicine due to suffering from chronic illnesses.

Thousands of people living on the streets.

People loosing their jobs by the minute due to heavy taxation.

Teachers giving up their jobs due to bad salaries.

The welfare system is bankrupt.

Now, for somebody who watches Globo television maybe a sign of growth and a better life is the fact that some poor Brazilians can now own a microwave, television set, a dvd player all bought from Casas Bahia in 24 "smooth" installments.

You asked me for proof and I have given them to you.

Now prove me wrong, if you can.



Gave what?
written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
You gave just a bunch of idiotic statements. I know where you are coming from, you are one of those that blame the government for everything!

Yes, they screw up sometimes, but we shouldn't rely on them entirely. Don't expect anything, fight for everything.

This mixture of race is simply a disgrace.DID NOT WORK OUT! Either.


No, you are a disgrace. This black propaganda in here, it's just that, black propaganda for people like you to be fooled into the anglo-saxon mentality. You are sub-race there, learn your place! That's what they want!

We, brazilians, have the unique opportunity of building something the world has never seen, and yet some can't see it. Go to your anglo-saxon world and see if you will be "well treated", hahahaha.
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a Brazilian:

You got things wrong again.

I live in São Paulo.

Controll your guns and stop shooting ramdomly.

You may run out of amunition.

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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a Brazilian:

If you think that people dying on hospital queues is normal then I do not understand all this fervor of yours towards the Brazilian cause.

For Christ sake we are talking about human beings being treated like animals.

And that is how they are treated here.

No dignity at all.

And you call this a silly statement?

Have a heart!
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
And you call this a silly statement?


Yes, I do. People are treated like animals everywhere, even in Europe today, being killed, beaten or burned to death by some Neo Nazi retard, or even in the US. Did you see the Katrina? Was that all wealth and happiness they want us to buy?

I am not saying there isn't any problems, I am saying that these people that come here, at least the majority of them, have no clue what the problems are and how to solve them. Don't buy their crap.
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a Brazilian:

Please do not patronise me!

I am not buying anyone's crap.

Not yours.

Not theirs.

I can think for myself thankyouverymuch.

Minha terra tem palmeiras onde canta o sabiá.

You are probably from the time this s**t was written.

And bla bla bla.

Give me a break.

AHHHHHHHHHH!
written by The American Historian, January 17, 2007
"...Brazil is an improving country...Americans (USA) need to attack her.
So this is today's theme, that we "fear" Brazil and must take you down a peg or two.
I have been alive for some time now and over the years I have heard Americans speak with some concern about the U.S.S.RRussia, Japan, China, the EU, India and even a few Islamic nations, but I have never heard of anyone express fear of Brazil. Brazil should be among the first ranks of world powers but you are not--and at this rate and as I observe this discussion you never will be. You COULD BE, but I have my doubts.

Unfortunately, if you mention Brazil to most Americans, the first thing they think of are scantily-clad babes with great bodies on the beach.That about sums it up. They don't experience fear, but think of a good time with a beach babe. Sad but true.
America in Decline, A Coming Era of Race Warfare
written by The American Historian, January 17, 2007
Well, what can I say. If American collapses and its streets become riven with interracial warfare between gangs as e-harmony predicts, I guess I will have to hurry up and complete my class on how to be a suicide bomber. And then, A Brazilian and e harmoney can fly in and save me from my wretched, racist, pathetic self. I ache, I ache....
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written by Ric, January 17, 2007
The use of the term "retard" is offensive. Especially in the context used above. The enlightened world has ceased to use it as a pejorative term.

On the other hand, good use of the idiomatic term, "no clue". Chinese friend of mine, a scientist, told me recently that "American teens have´t got a crew." I looked at him, thought about it; then figured out what he meant.

Historian, if you think Brazilians are going to fly in and save you from anything, you don´t understand the culture. First of all, they probably would have to wait a long time in line for a visa. A guy outside the embassy makes a good living just keeping people´s cell phones for them while they are inside. And it takes a long time.
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written by e harmony, January 17, 2007
written by bo, 2007-01-16 12:06:47
How is brazil a "rising" country? Economically? It grew the least of all latin american countries besides Haiti last year! Security? Well, just turn on the news, security in brazil is a MAJOR issue, no one is safe. People live in houses that are surrounded by 12 foot high walls and bars over the doors and windows, or you live in an apartment building with security guards.

Please, show us how brazil is "rising" overall. The quality of life. Brazil never was a "safe" place to live, nor one where people look to go for opportunities to better their future, and it's not getting any better in those respects.


You are an idiot I swear. I'm going to have to invite people from mulatto.org to come over and read some of these things being espoused and more especially in the black Americans willfully supporting your clown efforts. Haiti my friends does not have peace keeping troops in Brazil, I think that fact alone bears evidence as to which nation has a better grip on its internal and external security. Haiti last I checked was the poorest nation in our Hemisphere.

Is Haiti boasting internet development like Brazil: http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar...brazil.php

Brazil had economic growth and that's important. Also, according to Carlos Ghosn in his book shift, his grandfather came to Brazil from Lebanon and in his own words he stated Brazil was the country in those days the Lebanese came to to seek their fortune. His grandfather by the way built a respectable life for himself economically in Brazil and arrived in Brazil penniless. Carlos Ghosn mother and sisters still live in Brazil and Ghosn has lived in France, Japan, Lebanon, the United States (in upper class elite lifestyle in the U.S.) and in his own words he states, "Even today, after all this time," he says he regards, "Rio as the one city in the world where I feel most comfortable."

You say no one ever came to Brazil or considered it as a place "where people look to go for opportunities to better their future" but Carlos Ghosn says regarding his aspirations for his own professional life early on while in French university:

Michelon wanted a Brazilian engineer with a French education to work in Rio de Janeiro. Brazil had always been on my mind when I was in Lebanon and France. I'd always told myself I would make my career in Brazil. It was what I'd prepared myself ... I figured my best opportunities would be in Brazil. I'd spent the first five years of my life there, and the land and its language was always in my thoughts. I've always considered Brazil the country of the future.

Brazil is a beautiful, fasvinating, generous country, an extraordinary melting pot. I love it. Even today, after all this time, I still think of Rio as the one city in the world where I feel most comfortable. Although my father died in June 2002, my mother still lives in Rio as do two of my sisters...


My own city a couple years ago interviewed a young German immigrant to Brazil who immigrated to Brazil for the sole purpose of "making something out of himself" as he put it. He bought land to develop over time a giant farm in intentions of competeing with the USA and making a very decent profit in Brazil. So no I reject your proposition on Brazil. I have no doubt once I gain my education I can make a decent living in Brazil. I have been hearing from Americans (USA) from the time I've been little about what's "impossible." I simply don't believe you all. I believe me.
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written by bo, January 17, 2007
I have been hearing from Americans (USA) from the time I've been little about what's "impossible." I simply don't believe you



And that's coming from a person that has admittedly never stepped foot in the country!!


Who's the idiot here? I've been here for TEN years, own a business, have made a foreign investment in brazil. Have dozens and dozens of brazilian friends and professionals that I work with a spend my leisure time with. If you think that Brazil is a place to come and find opportunity, to be professionally successful, you couldn't be more misguided!
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written by bo, January 17, 2007
How many links to censorship, decisions by the brazilian judicial system ordering news stations and newspapers in brazil to "cease and desist" about certain stories of corruption......DO YOU WANT THE LINKS??!!



I actually do, show them.


On 4 May, Judge Jeová Sardinha de Morais of the 7th Civil District of Goiânia, Goiás state, granted an injunction that ordered the withdrawal of all copies of the book, "Na Toca dos Leões" (In the Lions’ Den), from circulation in Brazil. The injunction was granted on behalf of former presidential candidate Ronaldo Caiado, who reportedly filed criminal and civil defamation complaints against the author of the book, freelance journalist Fernando Morais, and a civil complaint against the book’s publisher, Editora Planeta do Brasil.

Morais’s book, which was published in early April, tells the history of the advertising agency, W/Brasil, and quotes one of its main business partners as saying that Caiado, while running for president in 1989, told him that sterilising women could solve the problem of overpopulation in Brazil’s north-eastern region.


On 15 May, a judge prohibited Rede Amazônica de Televisão, Rede Globo’s affiliate in Rondônia state, from broadcasting a report on local corruption. Minutes before the news programme, "Fantástico", was to air the report on alleged corruption among state legislators, justice officials arrived at Rede Amazônica de Televisão’s studios and served an injunction banning the broadcast.

On 1 September, Judge José Alonso Beltrame Júnior of the 10th Santos Civil Court in São Paulo state issued an order prohibiting the newspaper A Tribuna from reporting on a court case involving the misappropriation of public funds. In August, A Tribuna had reported extensively on an investigation by the Special Audit Committee into the alleged embezzlement of funds by Sonia María Precioso de Moura, an official with the Santos Prefecture.

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written by bo, January 17, 2007
In December, the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) condemned a São Paulo court order prohibiting the daily Folha de S. Paulo from publishing reports about a criminal case. Folha de S. Paulo received the written order, signed by Federal District Court Judge Margarete Sacristan, on 9 December. The order, which was issued at the request of plaintiffs in the case, instructed the newspaper to stop publishing reports about a pending court case involving alleged corporate espionage in the battle over control of Brasil Telecom, a telecommunications company. CPJ called the order "the latest example of judicial censorship in Brazil."

http://www.freemedia.at/cms/ipi/freedom_detail.html?country=/KW0001/KW0002/KW0013/


International Press Institute
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written by bo, January 17, 2007
In Brazil, one of the most dangerous countries in the Western Hemisphere to practice journalism, two journalists were killed in 2005. Outside the major urban areas of Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Brasilia, journalists attempting to investigate drug trafficking, corruption and other illegal activities continued to face threats, physical attacks and even death at the hands of local power brokers and criminals.


http://www.freemedia.at/cms/ipi/freedom_detail.html?ctxid=CH0056&docid=CMS1142450376827
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written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
Bo, you are a guy that goes way out of your way in your quest to prove Brazil sucks and the US is superior in any aspect, even in the aspects Brazil is famous for, such as miscigenation (hehe).

I am not sure about the US, but in Brazil people are innocent until proven otherwise, and if you accuse someone publicly of an illict act, you better have the evidence or else the person can sue you and win.

Recently a famous actor sued one of those "celebrity journalists" that said in his show that he was homosexual. The journalist needed to pay him an indemnization. Is this right? I think so.

This is simply the law and it's very different than state sponsored censorship. Don't lie to the people here, TV shows aren't reviewed and cut down by some comittee, all cases you cited were only the law working or common criminals in action.

Now you cite common criminals attacking journalists as a sign of people against the media!? If they are investigating criminals and the criminals threat them how is this different from any common crime?
Cite Cite Cite
written by The American Historian, January 17, 2007
Look at the examples, actual facts he refers to A Brazilian, unlike your opinions and propaganda masquerading as facts.

Well A Brazilian, where are those studies that prove assertions of racism in Brazil are products of a Black American/Anglo-Saxon plot?
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
I won't answer you because I don't think it's necessary, if you can't figure it out by yourself then I would recommend you to read more and watch less soap operas. There are facts and "facts", the "facts" here are a bunch of international organizations pointing to common crimes and the others were the brazilian judicial system working, nothing more than anglo-saxon mentality. What your bigot friend over there, your anglo-saxon brother, is doing is to paint these as "censorship" evidence, and there's nothing farther than truth.

I think it's a lot easier in the US for the media, they know their place. The only voices that speak against things are a minority, most of it work towards the same goal. In Brazil, some substantial part of it acts sensationalistically and irresponsibly, and if criticized, which is what professionals and people do to bad work, they cry loudly telling how things are bad for journalists.

The most perfect example of this behavior was the attempt to bring the president down in 2005 and 2006 after a sequence of scandals. Even most of the scandals were actually true evidences of corruption, and involved not only the president's party but the opposition as well, they acted so unprofessionally and sensationalistically that the people stood in the president's side. The media has power, a lot of it, the power of getting into 190 million homes and telling people what they should think. Don't forget that, and don't be naive to think it won't be used for the benefit of a few groups.

Another example of media manipulation was the attempt of coup in Venezuela years ago. The media of that country was so blatantly partial in promoting their own agenda and bashing Hugo Chavez that it's still used today in his rethoric. The scariest part is that he is not wrong. BTW, the US sent messages of congratulations after the coup, only to be caught with their pants down when the coup failed. Hugo Chavez was back in power and the american intentions towards Latin America had never been clearer (media manipulation, support of the use of violence in undemocratic ways as they already did in the past).

This Venezuelan episode is a sign to all Latin America to the interventionist politics practiced by the US. It's not Bush's fault, the same was done several times in the past, this is an american thing. Historian, if you are a historian you should know that and you remember the Venezuelan incident.
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
BTW, if you want to find "studies" I suggest you do like your bigot friend, search in Google.
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written by bo, January 18, 2007
o, you are a guy that goes way out of your way in your quest to prove Brazil sucks and the US is superior in any aspect, even in the aspects Brazil is famous for, such as miscigenation (hehe).


No, I'm just here to PROVE that idiots like yourself live in a world of denial and when you ask for something, as if it doesnt exist, then I show facts, studies, results.

You make statements, put words in my mouth, about things I've never said, then when I ask you to quote where I stated such, you don't respond....you are an immature, reality denying, prideful to the point where you'll bite off your own nose, idiot.

BTW, you still haven't quoted me as of yet about me stating that I wasn't married to a black brazilian.....what happened??

So, now I quoted facts where the brazilian gov't CENSORS the press.......so what do ya have to say now?

And you like to call us nazi.....lol.
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written by bo, January 18, 2007
I am not sure about the US, but in Brazil people are innocent until proven otherwise, and if you accuse someone publicly of an illict act, you better have the evidence or else the person can sue you and win.



Same thing in the U.S Melvin, but judges don't order cease and desist orders until facts are PROVEN!! So, if a televison station decides to run with a story, they know they better have their facts straight, for if they don't and they slander someone then they are legally liable.

You don't have cowboy, local judges that are in cahoots with the local thieves, oops, politicians, involved in the corruption so they order the network to "cease and desist".

Brazilian......oh, nevermind, you're lost.
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
So, now I quoted facts where the brazilian gov't CENSORS the press...


Only in you twisted mind.
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
You don't have cowboy, local judges that are in cahoots with the local thieves, oops, politicians, involved in the corruption so they order the network to "cease and desist".


Two things:

- yes, you do;
- who said this is the case with the cases you cited?

This is the perfect example of an american idiot.
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written by bo, January 18, 2007
So, now I quoted facts where the brazilian gov't CENSORS the press...



Only in you twisted mind.



Please, tell all of us how those links I provided do NOT report on REAL, FACTUAL occurences that have happened in brazil recently??

Please, tell us how this isn't an invasion of "freedom of the press".!

EVERYONE here can plainly read for themselves, search for themselves, except YOU! You choose to think these factual occurences are just made up lies????

Are you mentally ill?
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written by Ric, January 18, 2007
Never ask that, Bo. I can only say the following in Portuguese.....Quando alguem pergunta logo, "Você é doido?", e vai repetindo, fique tranquilo que ele mesmo è dóido. Porque se fôr, o que é que ele esta ouvindo todos os dias? "Tu é doido, hein?" E ele ou ela vai aprendendo e imitando. Por isso que não quero fazer nunca esta pergunta.

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