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Blackness's Fear and Stigma Make Brazil a 6% Black Country PDF Print E-mail
2007 - January 2007
Written by Mark Wells   
Sunday, 14 January 2007 15:46

Brazilian crowd I would now like to turn my attention to the ever popular argument concerning racial affiliation in Brazil. Frequently, essays and forum letters at this website express the popular Brazilian view that racism and quotas based on racial identity cannot exist in Brazil because the majority of Brazilians are of mixed descent.

While I will agree that the majority of Brazilians are of varying degrees of mixed descent, I would also say that in my 18 weeks of travel in Brazil, it is rare that I cannot judge one's predominant racial phenotype. Countless Brazilian and American social scientists are under this same impression. This is not to be confused with the issue of self-affirmation of racial identity, which is another subject altogether.

In sociologist Edward Telles' book Race in Another America: The Significance of Skin Color in Brazil, the author, who has researched racial issues in Brazil since 1989, included a bar of his interpretation of racial ambiguity, or lack thereof, in Brazil. The bar shows the color black fading into the color white from top to bottom with a very narrow range of grey that represents those who are difficult to categorize as one specific race.
 
In past and future essays, I have and will continue to use the terms negro (black), afrodescendente (African-descendent), negro-mestiço (mixed black) or afro-brasileiro (Afro-Brazilian) as these are terms that activists have adopted when speaking of Brazil's pretos and pardos or negros and mulatos.

Each of these terms have been used abundantly in studies of racial politics in Brazil with none seeming to have a clear advantage in popular usage. Thus, I will use afro-brasileiro because of its historical value dating back to the First Congresso Afro-Brasileiro held in Recife in 1934.

I will use negro and afrodescendente because, as geneticist Sergio Danilo Pena explains, the word negro fits in the morphological sense while afrodescendente is related to ancestry (1). I will also use negro-mestiço because, as Minister of Culture Gilberto Gil says, it "much better defines the adaptation of the Africans brought to Brazil"(2). I will use these terms interchangeably and use the terms preto, pardo, negro, mulato when it is necessary to make a comparison.
 
As I am aware, coming from a North American perspective, I will automatically be accused of attempting to apply US racial politics to a Latin American perspective. To alleviate this problem immediately, let me establish the facts. The much debated issue of the infamous US "one-drop (of black blood) rule" has nothing to do with my racial ideology.

I have known more than a few white Americans who have admitted to having some African ancestry but whom I have never looked upon as anything but white. The "one-drop rule" is quite unique and for the most part has no validity in the Latin American context (although there are clues that Brazil's colonial elites also subscribed to this ideology of racial identification).
 
From the physical perspective, I am speaking purely of persons who show obvious signs of African ancestry. This will become important when dealing with the often debated issue of quotas for afro-brasileiros to enter Brazilian universities.

Who is considered black in Brazil is often times a contradiction. When the argument has to do with racially-based affirmative action, the Brazilian will instantly quote the "we're all mixed" or the "who can tell who's black in Brazil?" argument.

But when the "keep the peace" mentality is challenged, the truth comes out. Take for instance essays from April and May of 2003 in Brazzil where the writer says that Bahia has a "black majority" but then changes his terminology to "black and mulatto" (3).

In the May 2003 article ("Afrobrazilianists: Such Arrogance!"), the writer goes on to refer to politician Alceu Collares, as well as beauty queens Deise Nunes and Vera Lúcia Couto dos Santos as black. Anyone who has seen photos of the three aforementioned individuals will agree that they are all of varying degrees of mixed African descent.

My point here is that the Brazilian will often times claim that they do not view blackness in the same terms as the American but then when it's time to proclaim that blacks have made great contributions to Brazilian society, they immediately point to the Brazilian of mixed descent whom they had previously categorized as mulato.

From this standpoint, at least from the American perspective, the individual will remain black regardless of whether their attributes are positive or negative. From the Brazilian perspective, if this person has whatever degree of admixture, there is always the possibility of 'whitening' them. Take the case of one of Brazil's most famous writers, Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis (1839-1908), for example. According to historian Emilia Viotti da Costa:
 
"When Machado de Assis died, one of his friends, José Veríssimo, wrote an article in his honor. In an outburst of admiration for the man of modest origins and black ancestors who had become one of the greatest novelists of the century, Veríssimo - a mulatto himself - violated a social convention and referred to Machado as the mulatto Machado de Assis.

"Joaquim Nabuco, who read the article, quickly perceived the faux-pas and recommended the suppression of the word, insisting that Machado would not have been pleased by it. "Your article," he wrote to Veríssimo, "is very beautiful but there is one sentence that caused me chills: "Mulatto, he was indeed a Greek..."

"I would not have called Machado mulatto and I think that nothing would have hurt him more...I beg you to moot this remark when you convert your article into permanent form. The word is not literary, it is derogatory...For me Machado was a white and I believe he thought so about himself" (4).
 
This passage is telling for two reasons. One, when a prominent Brazilian of mixed African ancestry leaves an indelible impression on Brazilian society, he cannot be remembered as being of African descent, fully or partially. Second, it is important to note that being a mulatto was deemed to be as derogatory as being described as negro, a point that I will explore further later in this essay.

Returning to the question of the Latin American view of race and the contradictory negro/mulatto argument, one finds this same contradictory attitude toward the classification of people of African descent in a December 2004 forum letter from the Argentine Pablo Diaz:
 
"With respect to the few places in the Brazilian Congress for blacks, or the smaller number of black Miss Brazils when compared with the U.S., perhaps the numbers should rise if you take into account the mulattos (5)."
 
These contradictory ways of defining blackness have had detrimental effects on the formation of black identity in Brazil. Historian Décio Freitas tells us that the preoccupation of not being black in Brazil is obsessive (6), so when afrodescendentes are consistently bombarded with negative images of blackness or presented with unclear ideals of what Brazilian society considers to be black, is there any wonder why census data, based on self-affirmation, reports Brazil to be a 6% black (preto) country?
 
As far as racial classification is concerned, it is important that one establishes not only how one is classified, but also by whom. A person's identity or identification can be viewed from at least three perspectives. One is the way that person classifies him or herself. Another is how others within or outside of a social group classifies another person. A third would be how that society's power elite classifies that person.

Thus it is quite easy to understand how a Brazilian could refer to him or herself as a moreno, while a friend describes him/her as mulato/mulata and government officials refer to him or her as a negro/negra. So when the official census of the IBGE (in which racial identification is declared by the person interviewed) tells us that Brazil is only 6% black (preto), it is necessary to consider the words of Luisa Farah Schwartzmann:
 
"...the interviewers' answers are in a sense more "real" than the respondents' answer, since the way people are seen by others is thought to have greater consequences for their life chances than the way they see themselves." (7)
 
While it is not a secret that common Brazilians may use a plethora of terms when describing skin color or physical features, it is the dominant society, the "powers-that-be", that include, exclude and classify peoples within that society. For Nilza Iraci, executive coordinator of the black women's group, Geledés, this point is clear. Nilza possessing very light skin, is classified as white on her birth certificate but considers herself to be a black woman. As she sees it:
 
"Presenting myself socially as black, I know that I am depriving myself of a series of advantages. I have this advantage (in a job interview, for example) when competing with someone with darker skin than mine. In this case, I am a morena. When competing with a white person, I am a black" (8)
 
At this point I thought I would offer a few quotes from Brazilian social scientists (or those foreigners who have worked in Brazil) in order to get an idea of who Brazilian society recognizes as black.
 
"...when we affirm that these black groups are specific, we don't mean that they are composed only of "pure" negros, in physical anthropology terms, but, also of pardos, (mulatos, curibocas, caboclos) those which, in consequence of the group of social situations in which they overlap, are marked as negros by the white society and, at the same time, recognizes and accepts a connection, total or partial, with his African roots...
- Sociologia do Negro Brasileiro, Clovis Moura, Editora Atica, 1988 (emphasis mine)
 
"By and large, the negro of Brazil is the mulatto. The negróide"
- Mansions and Shanties: the Making of Modern Brazil. Gilberto Freyre, 1963.
 
Summarizing the thesis of the late Afro-Brazilian militant and intellectual Eduardo Oliveira e Oliveira entitled, "O mulato, um obstáculo epistemológico", Maria de Lourdes Bandeira writes:
 
"The social category mulato is not to be confused with the racial category mulato. The social place attributed to the mulato, not his place as racial intermediary, is an obstacle to the comprehension of racial difference as a form of submission or oppression. The phenotypic characteristics do not interfere with this understanding...The racial categories, while indicating the diversity of racial traces, are not instruments of analysis....within the boundaries of the class system, the variations of color are socially irrelevant in race relations. The racial origin, not the color, remains as the basis of classification." (emphasis mine)
- Território Negro em Espaço Branco, Maria de Lourdes Bandeira.
Editora Brasiliense, 1988.
 
"The term "preto" was always used by whites to designate the negro and the mulato in São Paulo, but through a stereotyped and extremely negative image created in the past."
- Integração do Negro na Sociedade de Classes. Florestan Fernandes. Dominus Editora. Editora da Universidade de São Paulo. 1965.

"What is the negro? In our definition, negro is a social place instituted by diverse coordinates: the color of the skin, popular culture, African ancestry, slave ancestry (near or distant), poverty, the attribution of negro identity by the other and the assumption of this identity by one's self."
- "A Inserção do Negro e seus Dilemas", Joel Rufino Dos Santos
 
"..the mulato appears as a negro at the same time privileged and stigmatized by the double condition of race and parvenu...the rules of social exclusion define the position of the mulato in terms quite firmly in Rio Grande do Sul: "he who escapes being white, is black". The mulato is a negro, thus, an inferior, but at the same time, he is a privileged negro"...
- Capitalismo e Escravidão no Brasil Meridional - O Negro na Sociedade Escravocrata do Rio Grande do Sul. Fernando Henrique Cardoso. Paz e Terra. 1977.
 
"...whites make a social and cultural distinction between their black and mulatto neighbors and themselves. Conversely, blacks and mulattos distinguish themselves from whites in the same way. The dichotomy which exists is clear...all non-white individuals are considered negros."
- Raças e classes sociais no Brasil. Octávio Ianni. Rio de Janeiro: Civilização Brasileira, 1972
 
"we consider as blacks all those who are dark-skinned, who possess a pigmentation which is neither white nor Indian. These 'pardos', who according to IBGE constitute the majority of non-whites...are considered socially to be blacks."
- "Que é um negro?" Décio Freitas. Folha de S. Paulo (March 1, 1982) (9)
 
"...the term negro is as much a conventional category as branco. Grouping together all the gradations, going from pardo to preto, including the color of copper. In the same way, the white category also covers different colors, even those whites that are not truly white. Besides this, one can observe that the multiplication of categories related to skin color, shape of the face and texture of the hair is a common phenomenon in multi-racial societies. Translating the desire of people to group the others into determined racial or color groups is a banal exercise. But it can correspond sometimes to a desire of hierarchizing the others into a chromatic and racial scale (10).
- "Ação Afirmativa e igualdade de oportunidades" (2000) - Jacques D'Adesky
 
Taking these definitions as written by Brazilian social scientists (11) themselves debunks the argument that North Americans are trying to impose their views about race upon Brazilians. When analyzing hundreds of books and Internet articles one will notice that negros, mulatos, or pretos and pardos are always grouped together when speaking of Brazil's population of African descent.

This is not a recent phenomenon. While militants of Brazil's current Movimento Negro have argued that these two official census categories should be combined as representative of Brazil's blacks, in Gilberto Freyre's classic 1933 work Casa Grande e Senzala, the author consistently pairs negros and mulatos together.
 
Black identity, political identity
 
"The destruction of black identity is the first feature of racist violence" (12)
- Iolanda Oliveira
 
At this point I wish to stress that I (as the aforementioned Clóvis Moura as well as legendary activist Abdias do Nascimento have written) am not speaking of race from a biological perspective. There is no need to argue about the various genetic studies and racial-genetic percentages that have been coming out in recent years. I will contemplate that issue later on. For now, I will consider the words of Fátima Oliveira, the executive secretary of Rede Feminista de Saúde:
 
In the context of racial mixture, being black possesses various meanings that result from the choice of racial identity that has African ancestry as origin (African-descendent). Or in other words, to be black, is, essentially a political position, where one assumes a black racial identity (13).
 
University of São Paulo social anthropologist Lilia Moritz Schwarcz also makes reference to the idea of black identity as a political position highlighting the difference between the terms preto and negro:
 
"Even during the slave years the etymological usage of these apparently synonymous terms already revealed differences in sense: Negro referred to the disobedient, rebellious slave, while Black (preto) denoted the loyal captive. A news story that appeared in the Correio Paulistano (The São Paulo Post) in 1886 demonstrates this clearly in employing the terms as if they referred to two wholly distinct realities:

"One particular day, the black João Congo was quietly working on his master's farm when he noted that two fugitive negroes were approaching, who soon said - 'Leave this life behind, old black (preto), it's not for you' to which the loyal (preto) black replied - 'I'm not going to go wandering about here and there like some runaway negro.' Irritated, the negroes retorted - 'Die, then, you black coward'" (14)
 
In the context of Brazilian terminology and folklore, 'old black' refers to the folkloric figure of the preto velho, the old, docile, submissive, black slave that is somewhat reminiscent of the American Uncle Tom figure. Considering these last two statements, it becomes obvious that a black identity goes beyond just one's phenotype or physical appearance.

It is a stance or attitude that joins an individual with a group in which the individual has something in common bonded by an express ideology that represents the interests of a that particular group. As one probes the complexities of Brazilian racial politics, this becomes clearer. Senator Benedita da Silva explains how an uncompromising black identity is viewed in Brazil:
 
"The more elevated the social position of the black in Brazil is, the more uncomfortable the black feels if he or she continues being a black and keeps defending the black cause. Blacks become a threat and, as white elites do not want to yield anything, blacks become a concrete target for racists." (15)
 
It is here that the similarities between Brazil's Movimento Negro and the 1970s African-American Black Power Movement become most evident. Between the 1950s and 1970s, African-Americans of all skin tones and hair textures began to adopt the term black to signify their politicized racial identity. Within the span of a few decades, African descendents in the United States went from being labeled colored to negro to adopting the term black. As Rosenblum and Travis explain:
 
"black emerged in opposition to Negro as the Black Power movement sought to distinguish itself from the Martin Luther King-led moderate wing of the civil rights movement. The term Negro had itself been put forward by influential leaders WEB DuBois and Booker T. Washington as a rejection of the term "colored" that had dominated the mid- to late 19th century" (16)
 
The differences between these terms can be analyzed through the exclamation of an irate white person quoted in a July 30, 1975 Boston Globe article:
 
"We've always welcomed good colored people in South Boston but we will not tolerate radical blacks or Communists...Good colored people are welcome in South Boston, black militants are not" (17)
 
The feeling from the comment above brings to mind the common saying that black people "know their place" and are expected to accept and abide by this social standard. This proverb is common to both the American and Brazilian racial hierarchy. According to historian Emilia Viotti da Costa, writing about Brazil's myths and histories:
 
"Whites became more aware of their prejudiced attitudes once they had to confront blacks where they had rarely been seen before...or when they had to deal face to face with an "aggressive", "uppity" black who did not play his traditional role of humility and meekness." (18)
 
It is important to note here the difference between physical blackness and blackness as a political identity. There exists in both Brazil and the US those types of African descendents who do not strongly identify with other African descendents as a group. They prefer to live their lives strictly as individuals, having no preferences for or affiliations with others who may look like them.

In this sense, there may be many African descendents living middle-class lifestyles in either country, but as long as they don't raise any issues of racial discrimination, speak out against it or advocate policies that could improve the situation of any group that has been historically discriminated against, society may extend them an honorary "pass" of mainstream acceptance.
 
At this point, allow me to reiterate that there is a difference between the identity one assumes and the identity that is imposed from the outside. Having established the differences in terminology, it could be argued that Brazil's African descent population can in some ways be defined as simply gente de cor (people of color) as opposed to black.

Negritude (blackness) in Brazil can be said to still be an "identity in construction", as the title of a recent study by Professor Ricardo Franklin Ferreira (University of São Marcos) suggests. The main point that I would like to establish here is that the concept of blackness and the transition from gente de cor to negros is not simply an American import.

As early as the 1920s and 30s, Afro-Brazilian newspapers such as O Clarim da Alvorada (The Morning Bugle) and A Voz da Raça (The Voice of the Race) brought to the forefront the importance of black consciousness and ethnic identity. A Voz da Raça was the newspaper produced by the Frente Negra Brasileira (Brazilian Black Front), one of the earliest black civil rights organizations in Brazil (19).
 
While analyzing Brazil's official census may establish some general ideas about Brazil's racial composition, these statistics are not etched in stone. Several anthropologists (Telles 2004, Sansone 2003, Heringer 2002) have noted that the way many Brazilians classify themselves racially is not always in agreement with how an observer views them.

A study conducted by Rosana Heringer (of the Centro de Estudos Afro-Brasileiros da Universidade Cândido Mendes no Rio de Janeiro) showed that 30% of those who classified themselves as pardos were actually pretos while 30% of those classifying themselves as brancos were actually pardos (20).
 
Livio Sansone (of Universidade Federal da Bahia) discovered several intriguing details when doing field research for his book Negritude sem etnicidade. First, those who declare themselves negro are usually younger than those who refer to themselves as preto. Also, those defining themselves as negro usually have a higher level of education than those who refer to themselves with some other euphemism.

This is a recent development and is a radical departure from studies of the 1950s that confirmed that well educated Brazilians of African descent tended to whiten themselves. One of the most telling of Sansone's findings were the ways that Brazilians classified others in relation to their physical proximity to those people.

For instance, when asked to describe the race of someone standing right next to them, some of his respondents would say moreno. Yet, that same person would refer to the other as negro when that person wasn't standing close enough to hear their remarks. This idea of espaço (space) also came into play when speaking of places where people of African descent felt comfortable in displaying and affirming their blackness.
 
In places and social situations in which they were the majority and were practicing some form of cultura negra (black culture), negro-mestiços were more likely to declare their negritude (blackness) than other times when they were in more job-related situations or in contact with whites (21).

In my view, many Brazilian negro-mestiços adopt a sort of "light-switch" racial identity which they may turn on or off depending upon the context of the social situation. As a political position, black identity can be perceived as a threat to those of the dominant (white) society.

Take African-American Omar Wasow (22) for instance. In the book Face Forward: Young African-American Men in a Critical Age, Wasow remembers that in high school he identified himself as mixed while ignoring the fact that it was easier for whites to deal with him than if he identified himself as black (23). Wasow is an African-American of mixed descent, his father Jewish and his mother black.
 
Footnotes
 
1. PENA, SÉRGIO DANILO. "Os múltiplos significados da palavra raça".
http://publicacoes.gene.com.br/Imprensa_genealogia/Os%
20m%C3%BAltiplos%20significados%20da%20palavra%20ra%C3%A7a@Folha%20de%20S%C3%A3o%20Paulo@21-12-
2002_arquivos/fz2112200209.htm
.

2. DAMIANI, MARCO; Studart, Hugo; Leite, Janaína. "BENEDITA E O AFRO-TURISMO". http://www.terra.com.br/istoedinheiro/296/poder/

3. Cristaldo, Janer. "A Trap for Blacks". http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/3516/31/
Cristaldo, Janer. "Afrobrazilianists: Such Arrogance!" http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/503/30/

4. Da Costa, Emilia Viotti. The Brazilian Empire: Myths and Histories. Revised Edition. University of North Carolina Press. 2000

5. Diaz, Pablo. "A Response to Mark Wells". Brazzil Forum. http://brazzilrace.com/viewtopic.php?t=6

6. Oliveira, Evilazio de. "Movimento Negro cai na armadilha acadêmica". http://www.cartadigital.com/materia18.htm

7. Schwartzmann, Luisa Farah. "Does Money Whiten? Educational Mobility of Parents and the Racial Classification of Children in Brazil." - http://www.iuperj.br/rc28/papers/Luisa_Schwartzman_paper%5B1%5D.pdf

8. Alberto Ramos e Marina Oliveira. "Sem medo de revelar a cor". http://www2.correioweb.com.br/cw/EDICAO_20020509/pri_tem_090502_278.htm

9. As quoted in George Reid Andrews' Blacks and Whites in São Paulo, Brazil, 1888-1988. University of Wisconsin Press. 1991.

10. D'Adesky. Jacques. "Ação Afirmativa e igualdade de oportunidades". FASE, Mimeo, November 2000 .Available online August 14, 2006. http://www.achegas.net/numero/vinteesete/jacques_27.htm

11. With the exception of Jacques D'Adesky, who did his doctoral work in social anthropology at the University of São Paulo, and currently does research at the Centro de Estudos das Américas of the University of Cândido Mendes in Rio de Janeiro. He has also authored or co-authored two books on race relations in Brazil: Pluralismo Étnico e Multiculturalismo (Pallas 2001) and Racismo, Preconceito e Intolerância (with Edson Borges and Carlos Alberto de Medeiros) (Atual 2002).

12. Oliveira, Iolanda. Desigualdades Raciais: Construções da Infância e da Juventude. Intertexto, 1999.

13. Oliveira, Fátima. "Ser negro no Brasil: alcances e limites". http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0103-40142004000100006&script=sci_arttext&tlng=pt

14. Schwarcz, Lilia Moritz. "Not black, not white: just the opposite. Culture, race and national identity in Brazil". www.brazil.ox.ac.uk/workingpapers/Schwarcz47.pdf

15. Da Silva, Benedita. "The Black Movement and Political Parties: A Challenging Alliance". In Racial Politics in Contemporary Brazil. Michael Hanchard (editor). Duke University Press. 1999.

16. Rosemblum, Karen E.; Travis, Toni-Michelle C. The Meaning of Difference: American Constructions of Race, Sex and Gender, Social Class, and Sexual Orientation. McGraw-Hill. 2003.

17. Moore, Robert B. "Racism in the English Language" in Rosemblum, Karen E.; Travis, Toni-Michelle C. The Meaning of Difference: American Constructions of Race, Sex and Gender, Social Class,
and Sexual Orientation. McGraw-Hill. 2003.

18. Da Costa, Emilia Viotti. The Brazilian Empire: Myths and Histories. Revised Edition. University of North Carolina Press. 2000

19. Moura, Clóvis. História do Negro Brasileiro. Editora Ática. 1992

20. Ramos, Alberto; Oliveira, Marina. "Sem medo de revelar a cor". http://www2.correioweb.com.br/cw/EDICAO_20020509/pri_tem_090502_278.htm

21. Sansone, Livio. Negritude sem etnicidade: o local e o global nas relações raciais e na produção cultural negra do Brasil. Salvador/Rio de Janeiro, Edufba/Pallas, 2003.

22. Wasow is a Ph.D. candidate in African-American Studies and Political Science at Yale University. He is also a co-founder of the website blackplanet.com. His website is http://www.omarwasow.com/

23. Okwu, Julian C.R. Face Forward: Young African-American Men in a Critical Age. Chronicle Books. 1997.
 
This is part three of a multi-piece article.

Mark Wells holds a bachelor's degree in Anthropology from the University of Michigan-Dearborn and is currently working on a Master's Degree in Social Justice at Marygrove College in Detroit, Michigan. He can be reached at quilombhoje72@yahoo.

© 2007 Mark Wells



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written by Luca, Rome, January 15, 2007
Rich white Brazilians in Ipanema should just shut up and not complain about crime at all because crime itself is an immediate effect of fighting crime in a typical racist way...ie. NOT by providing education and services to the young gererations in the favelas BUT rather just lock themselves up in their vigilantes-patrolled condos with swimming pools and rejoice when police shoot people in favelas like nazis (guilty or not, it doesn't really matter to them, as to "Ipanema people" they're just sub-humans) or get shocked when a rich bitch in Leblon gets shot in her mercedes 500 SL.

The wealth of the upper classes in Brazil is only possible due to slavery-cheap labour, so the Ipanemans and the likes cannot enjoy slavery-based richness and then refuse its consequences: crime. Brazil is the most racist country in the world where races don't exist but where everbody wants to be whiter (or at leats that's what TV culture points at all the time)
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written by Luca, Rome, January 15, 2007
I have studied in Southampton, England with lots of White brazilians and they are some of the most shallow and racist people I have met, obsessed with money and silly things.
You keep writing
written by A brazilian, January 15, 2007
And I keep replying. I am trying to dispell some wrong notions about Brazil. The very first one is that we have people that pride themselves and promote "different identities", but the blacks are the only ones prevented from doing so. This is WRONG, in Brazil people aren't used to call themselves this or that besides "brazilians" (with the exception of the south). Nobody is arguing against "blackness", or whatever it means. People argue against the fracture, even more than already is, of the brazilian society in racial terms.

The whole problem with "identity", and that americans can't or don't want to understand, is that it implies a lot of other things. Such as racial divisions, if you classify and promotes a certain "identity" obligatorily you won't be able to be of another one, and might exclude others from your world. Therefore creating divisions such as clubs, neighborhoods, schools, etc for one or another group, and the worst of all, stereotypes.

As a brazilian I feel free to read, agree with, disagree with, think like anybody regardless of race or origin. It's good for the mind not to be confined in one "ethnic" vault.

BUT, it wouldn't be a problem if:

- people kept it for themselves;
- it didn't raise the issue of other ethnic groups to want the same thing;

In the first case it is more like an imposition from foreigners or brazilians groups that count with foreign help upon brazilians. Some of the ideas proposed by a notorious activist included even tagging (just like the Nazi did) people that had african descent. Is this democratic? Is this sane?

In the second case, it is the perfect pretext for white people that is already inclined to racism to assume a racist stance and promote a "white identity". Leading to the creation of organizations KKK-like and other hate groups. Following the "racial mindset", it will inevitably lead to shocks between races.

What we need in this country is not such indentities, but ONE brazilian identity that includes everyone. And I think we have done pretty well regarding this. Things like capoeira, feijoada and candomblé aren't "black only" things, but BRAZILIANS!! This is unique in the world, and I don't think american blacks will succeed in "getting rid of it" so easily as they think they will, people usually underestimate the brazilian culture and brazilians in general.

Regardless of the past (you seem to love to cite 19th century figures) the fact is that blacks have contributed to Brazil and that a differentiation in the identity of the rest of Brazil, will inevitably:

- lead to conflicts;
- put Brazil in the anglo-saxon world, BUT without the whiteness ("one drop rule" working). It means, in a perpetual "racially inferior (by the US mindset)" position;

We definetely don't need any of this.
Brasileiros
written by A brazilian, January 15, 2007
Como vocês podem ver existe uma agenda clara sendo seguida por grupos estrangeiros, através de estatísticas falsas e manipulação dos dados estão querendo destruir a "brasilidade" do Brasil, ou seja, fazer pressão para nos incluir na seu mundo racista.

Eles não toleram que pessoas que não sejam como eles pensem ser melhores. Na sua mentalidade racista "brasileiro" é sub-raça e deveríamos estar conscientes disso. É um ultraje ao pensamento anglo-saxão que pessoas não anglo-saxãs possam desenvolver uma mentalidade sadia com outros seres humanos.

Isso e a idéia de império, onde eles dão a última palavra. Modos de vida desviantes, como uma sem raça, não é permitida.

They don't tolerate people that aren't like them to think they can be better. In their racist mentality "brazilian" is a sub-race and we should be conscious of that. It's an outrage to the anglo-saxon thinking that non-anglo-saxons can develop a healthy mentality towards other human beings.

That and the idea of empire, where they give the last word. Deviant way of lives, like a raceless one, aren't allowed.

O pessoal mais ofensivo, simplesmente repete o mesmo tipo de mentalidade dos demais, apenas é mais direto e usar textos menos floreados. No final o resultado é o mesmo. Espero que isso sirva para demonstrar as intenções nefastas dessas pessoas que se fingem de bem intencionadas.

O que está em jogo é o futuro do Brasil como país, a sobrevivência da nossa cultura.
Parallel in history
written by A brazilian, January 15, 2007
Imaginem isso, os índios viviam "sem Deus" e isso foi usado como pretexto pelos portugueses para invadir esse lugar. Nós vivemos "sem raça" e isso está sendo usado da mesma forma, um pretexto moral para nos "ensinar" sobre a "verdade".

A história está se repetindo, não deixem que o resultado seja o mesmo!

Picture this, the indians lived "without God" and that was used as pretext by the portuguese to invade this place. We live "without race" and this is being used in the same way by the powers-that-be, a moral pretext "to teach" us about "the truth".

The history is repeating itself, let's not allow the outcome to be the same!
Observer
written by Stevebr, January 15, 2007
{ Things like capoeira, feijoada and candomblé aren't "black only }!!!!!. I rarely see white Brazilians eating feijoada, dancing and performing Capoeira and using Candomble in their daily lives. Now I live in the south and granted there are differences. File Migon is the choice for the table....not pork parts overcooked in bean broth which by the way Feijoada came from the French via Africa but in France they use white beans . And the comment.. " white Brazilians obsessed with money and silly things. '
Verdade. very true indeed. Know one reallys seems to be serious about anything execpt themselves!!!
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written by Greek indeed, January 15, 2007
I love my country Greece... This is the best country in the world....with wonderful peoplle......why don't you come to visit us?
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To a brazilian:

Please stop cutting and pasting this s**t in Portuguese.

It is a clear sign you are loosing your power of argumentation.

I am Brazilian and I do not hide behind a nick name.

I urge people to read MACUNAIMA by Mario de Andrade.

When I say "we" I refer to the fact that I am also responsible for what happens here and try within my limitations to make this place a better one. I am a teacher and work as a volunteer as well in the most amazing parts of São Paulo.

When I say amazing, I mean places where "angels would fear to tread". But the majority of the people living in these places are a real pleasure to work for and with.

We, and I am BLACK because there is hardly any Brazilian born who has not a at least a "toe" in Africa.

However, most deny that.

The proof is that we have many shades of black.


They do not want to be blacks or have anything to do with blacks.

Then again, there are exceptions.

Like Chris Rock - this great American stand up comedian said: black people are the most racists because the are racist among themselves. They hate their own kind.

As I have said, Freud would rack his brain to understand our collective consciousness and explain this complex complex.

But when it comes to have some benefit, hooray I am black.

My great great great grandwhatever was black.

Sad, but I have to agree with the article. Even in Salvador they deny their blackness.

It is well know that 80% of the population there is black but only half declare as such in official polls.

Yes, Brazilian are very superficial.

They only think about themselves or ourselves.

Very very shallow indeed.

It hurts but let us face the music and dance.

That is what I do.Like the Brits I can laugh at my own disgrace, because it is a disgrace half of the things that go on in this country.

I am Brazilian. Therefore I have to be proud to be so, but I must and shall not turn a blind eye to what's going on around me.

Let me include in mixed back lest I should be accused of being an American.

The truth is that our public institutions are crumbling to pieces. The educations system is in shambles.

Our graduated students are all illiterate.

My God we are the country of the future. Or tomorrow.

Funny is: tomorrow never comes.

Let us get drunk and lick our wounds.



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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
and wait for Don Sebastião like the Portuguese do still.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
Please stop cutting and pasting this s**t in Portuguese.


That was a message to brazilians and brazilians only.

We, and I am BLACK because there is hardly any Brazilian born who has not a at least a "toe" in Africa.

However, most deny that.

The proof is that we have many shades of black.


The many shades of black only proves Brazil is a healthier country than the US. This is an advancement. Mixed people must have a hard time in the US, and people in general, because they aren't allowed to be themselves.
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
The many shades of black only proves Brazil is a healthier country than the US. This is an advancement. Mixed people must have a hard time in the US, and people in general, because they aren't allowed to be themselves.


You really need to stop talking about the U.S. because your ignorance of the place shines ever so brightly!! A healthier country?? Do you think the U.S. doesn't have "all shades" of people?? I can tell you that TODAY an interacial couple in the U.S. is MORE accepted than in Brazil, and I know this from personal experience.

Aren't allowed to be themselves??? LOL. Well, I'm sure some black americans can chime in on this one.

A Brazilian, kind of funny how it's not only I that have stated that it's brazilians like you that hold this country back, but I've seen where other brazilians have stated the same thing!!! You my friend are NOT doing your country, nor your people, any good, other brazilians like you are ensuring that significant change for the better in this country will be long coming.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
I can tell you that TODAY an interacial couple in the U.S. is MORE accepted than in Brazil, and I know this from personal experience.


!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1?1?1!?!?!?!?

you even created the term "interracial"for such things!!!?!?!?!?! This is an insult. I have seen people of different races all my life in my family and other places, NEVER it was a problem. You are f***** loser! Get a life and stop lying aboutBrazil.

How do you all this diversity happen!? Mutation!? THIS WAS DUE TO MIXING, you know, the thing you have just said "it's not accepted". If it weren't accepted then brazilians would look even more homogeneous than americans.

This was one of the most iditioc things you have written in this site.

You my friend are NOT doing your country, nor your people, any good, other brazilians like you are ensuring that significant change for the better in this country will be long coming.


I am defending my culture against people like you. This is a better way of living and I will stand for it.
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written by Luca, Rome, January 16, 2007
I love Brazil and my interest in its culture does not mean I cannot discuss about certain negative factst like, for example, the blindness of many Brazilians (many of whom by sheer coincidence appear to be white and rich ) regarding the destructive problem of Brazilian crime and the idea that it should only be tackled with 1) vigilantes 2) barbed-wire condominums 3) private guards for one's daughters 4) random-shooting by police tanks in the favelas 5) on the spot killing for thieves. In the end rich Brazilians (=ruling class) who only see things through their wallets should understand that it is actually more expensive to live in a golden patrolled cage kind-of-socitey than investing on real social solutions (education and better social conditions for the poor). And regardless of all the money spent on security that will never be enough to prevent you to be shot at some traffic lights in Leblon at day time as news reported recently.
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
I have seen people of different races all my life in my family and other places, NEVER it was a problem.



Bozo, I've been in this country for 10 years, my wife is black, I am white, don't tell me about racial prejudice in brazil, I know all about it. Should I get my wife to make some comments here, afterall, she's a black brazilian, she can tell you all about the racial prejudices she's encountered in her life here in brazil!
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
(many of whom by sheer coincidence appear to be white and rich )


No, I am not white and I am not rich. But you seem to be obssessed with some neighborhood in Rio, are you aware that Brazil is much bigger than that?
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
Bozo, I've been in this country for 10 years, my wife is black, I am white, don't tell me about racial prejudice in brazil, I know all about it. Should I get my wife to make some comments here, afterall, she's a black brazilian, she can tell you all about the racial prejudices she's encountered in her life here in brazil!


So you are saying that what I have witnessed in my life didn't actually happen?
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
I've been in this country for 10 years, my wife is black, I am white, don't tell me about racial prejudice in brazil,


BTW Bo, I am really thinking you are not a real person, and is just "messin around" with your affirmations. Every time you are challenged you come up with a new "fact" like the one above. So now you are married to a black woman and knows "everything" about racism, interesting and convenient to the subject being discussed in these threads.
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written by bo, January 16, 2007
No, she only knows what she's encountered in her life being a black brazilian. And I certainly know what the two of us encounter being an "interacial" couple.

And, when did I ever say that I wasn't married to a black brazilian? Please, show me the statement.....I'm waiting!


Once again, YOU CAN'T, because it was NEVER made!
To Luca and A brazilian !
written by ch.c., January 16, 2007
You are 1000 % right...and your arguments are exactly what I have said for the last 2 years.

Brazil is a Medieval and Archaïc country, a real Tropical Mud, where the minority elite steals the country wealth
for their own benefit.
It is not without reason that this country has one of the highest wealth inequality....on this planet !

And they have no desire to change, no desire to provide not only education but also a good education.
They are afraid that if they would do so, they would lose some of their power and rights.

But the elite Brazilians are stupid, really stupid, because they have not realized that if they create a much better
environment for the whole society, not only reducing poverty, but investing in infrastructure, education and health they would not be poorer....but much wealthier.

And there is nothing wrong against wealth.....as long as the poorers have a decent living, decent education, decent jobs and decent housing.

This just show how the Brazilian minority elite is mentally retarded, totally obsessed and refusing deep social changes.. And until they change, the country has no future.
It is already lagging against all developing countries in the economic growth rate...for years and years !
Curiously enough....Lula the ex Leftist, is proud of his econmic achievements, proud of being at the bottom of the rankings.
Because for him, growing at 2,5 % during his first mandatewas....VERY GOOD...when you listen to him.
Sadly enough, NOOOOOOO other developing country has done worse !!!!!!
Most grew a 2 x, 3 x and even 4 x the brazilian growth rate.

Unfortunate that the poors illiterate are in no position to realize this, and thus they have re-elected the same LOSER, due to his
Bolsa Familia program. It happens that this program with a 8 billion Reais budget for 45 millions citizens represents only
0,45 Reais per day...for each of them ! And Lula is proud to shout everywhere how good he has been to them, since now they can afford to have 3 meals a day. But how can anyone, even in Brazil, have 3 meals a day.....costing 0,45 Reais...for the 3 meals ?????

Sadly too, these 8 billions Reais represent less than 2 % of the 2006 Federal Budget.....given and spreaded to 23 % of the population.

A drop in the ocean !!!!!!!

Far more than 8 billion Reais are stolen through corruption......yearly.....for the benefit of 100'000 (may be even less) or so high level officials such as, politicians, mayors, policemen, the army, governors and all their lieutenants !

For the eurotrash ch.c
written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
Go back to whatever hell hole you have come from. How many swastikas and Hitler's portrait do you have at home?
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written by Elivan, January 16, 2007
To aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Brazilian.....

When I mentioned too many shades of black I was proving a point:

And you did not get it because you have your head buried in the sand.

There is coffee colour, olive skin, chocolate et cetera.

Only a very few Brazilians consider themselves black.

Even in Salvador that is very much the case.

Well, if this is not a blatant denial of one's background, call me Mother Theresa of Calcutta.
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written by A brazilian, January 16, 2007
Well, if this is not a blatant denial of one's background, call me Mother Theresa of Calcutta.


Nobody is denying anything. People have many ancestors and I don't see why they should pick one, EXCLUSIVELY ONE, of them. Why do you thinks blacks are better than others?

I don't see any denial in that. This is a healthy society.
Missed Points
written by GTY, January 17, 2007
I am curious as to why so many articles about racism have been posted on this site recently. Could it be that it is the goal of this blog is to incite hatred? Hum, what other topic generates so much hate? I'm white, there is no way I can speak to racisim, I only know it exists and it exists everywhere, but how can a person who is not of color really understand it, or even speak to it. Brazil is no different in that regards to the US, both built on the backs of slaves, we still deny our past mistakes and immorality. I tend to agree with the first poster that the rich elite of Brazil have created the violence and fear that dominates daily life in Brazil today, I also believe that President Lula is in a tough spot, while he has to be firm in the battle against crime, Brazil must also create a new class of young people, from the poor, educated and with a future to see things improve, unfortunatly, this is a monumental task. It is a fact, that more people died by violence in Brazil last year than in the war in Iraq, nothing for an American to be proud of, but a remarkable context. The task in Brazil is monumental and the West, including the US has to bear some fault, we have turned our backs on our Latin American neighbors in favor of an unwinnable war, good for Brazil and other LA countries if socialism can help bring needed servcies, educations and health care to all Brazilians, not just those who can afford it. I for one am rooting for you. Finally, for the poster who knows "white Brazilians" who are racist and shallow, I have found Brazilians in America to be the exact oposite. My wife is Brazilian and my kids speak Portuguese, they have both American and Brazilian friends, so do we. I find Brazilian's and indeed most Latins' (we are in S. Florida) much more of a "family value culture" than the Americans I know, who as a whole tend to be materialistic and frosty. While there are bad apples in any culture, I am for an amnesty that would allow all current immigrants to stay legally in the US, my country will be much better for it.
Why Racism
written by The American Historian, January 17, 2007
A good reason you see more articles about racism is because at least 50% of the population of Brazil has recognizable African ancestry and those folks experience less of the good life than others in Brazil. I think that is a good reason to have articles dealing with race and racism. And doing so does not promote hatred.
71% OF BRASILS 200 MILION PEOPLE HAVE "SOME" BLACK AFRICAN BLOOD IN THEIR VEINS
written by VICTOR, January 17, 2007
I AM A SOCIAL SCIENTIST WITH DEGREEES IN ANTHROPOLOGY AND LATIN AMERICAN STUDIES AND I TELL YOU THAT FOR A FACT 71% OF BRASIL'S ALMOST 200 MILLION PEOLE HAVE AT LEAST SOME "BLACK AFRICAN BLOOD" FLOWING IN THEIR VEINS NO MATTER HOW WHITE THEY LOOK...
EVEN THE FAMOUS MODEL "GISELLE" ACKNOWLEDGES THIS AND SAID BOTH OF HER GRANDMOTHERS (PATERNAL AND MATERNAL ARE MULATTOS), SO TECHNICALLY SHES 15% BLACK BLOOD.
PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE THE HELL UP IN THE 21ST CENTURY AND STOP THE WHITE SUPREMACY THINKINGS. THIS IS THE DAWN OF A NEW EARA, ITS 2007. MORE AND MORE MULATTOS AND BLACKS ARE IN UNIVERSITIES AND GETTING MORE AND MORE ECONOMICALLY AND POLITICALLY POWERFUL ALL OVER BRASIL.
25% OS ALL THE US (AMERICAN TOURISTS) ARE NOW "BLACK AMERICANS" WHO ARE A POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON MULATTOS AND BLACKS IN BRASIL.
THE SEE IN BLACK AMERICANS A POSITIVE EXAMPLE ECONOMIC POWER AND SUCCESS (AND LETS FACE IT IN BRASIL ITS ALL ABOUT ECONOMICS, IF A BLACK OR MULATTO IN RICH IN BRASIL HES TREATED AS "HONORARY" WHITE). SO TO SAY THE LEAST RACISM IN BRASIL IS BASED ON ECONOMICS AND IN THE UNITED STATES ITS BASED ON OTHER ISSUES (MEANING, NO MATTER HOW RICH A BLACK MAN IN THE UNITED STATES BECOMES HE IS STILL TREATED FOR THE MOST PART AS ANY OTHER BLACK).

FOR YOUR THOUGHTS OR MORE INFORMATION FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME
HOTJOCKVIC@AOL.COM

I LOVE BRASIL smilies/cool.gif
Black racists
written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE THE HELL UP IN THE 21ST CENTURY AND STOP THE WHITE SUPREMACY THINKINGS. THIS IS THE DAWN OF A NEW EARA, ITS 2007. MORE AND MORE MULATTOS AND BLACKS ARE IN UNIVERSITIES AND GETTING MORE AND MORE ECONOMICALLY AND POLITICALLY POWERFUL ALL OVER BRASIL.


I want to vomit everytime I hear about about negros and mulatos as if they were the same group or the same thing. Anglo-saxon s**t, everytime, you never get tired do you? The only "white-supremacists" in here are the american blacks promoting the anglo-saxon culture.

I LOVE BRASIL


You have indeed a very strange way of loving it.
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written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
It is a fact, that more people died by violence in Brazil last year than in the war in Iraq, nothing for an American to be proud of, but a remarkable context.


American propaganda in action.
Propoganda?
written by GTY, January 17, 2007
Is the fact that Brazil has more murders per capita than any other country US propaganda? It actually defines the problem clearly, Brazilians, mostly young and children, continue to die at alarming rates while most Brazilians continue to hide their heads in the sand.
Great Post Victor
written by The American Historian, January 17, 2007
Great post Victor, you are a true hero. I congratulate you on your battle to rid the world of the myth, superstition and ignorance we see being posted on this board.
Good luck.
Brasileiros, uni-vos
written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
I won't rest to defend my country and myself from this neo-colonization. Black racists, and other racists in general, your arrogance and complete disregard for the brazilian culture will undermine any of your efforts.

But time will show you, meanwhile I will be around.

Brasileiros, juntem-se contra essa nova colonização empreendida pelos estrangeiros. Eles simplesmente decidiram o que é melhor para esse país, e desejam substituir a nossa cultura por uma anglo-saxã!
Defend your country from yourselves!
written by GTY, January 17, 2007
You should get your brothers and sisters to defend your country as well. Then it would not be controlled by gangster politicans and favela drug dealers. You should quit talking about defending your country and actually get off your ass and do something, where is your outrage when innocent people are murdered in broad daylight and by criminals with impunity. Defend Brazil all you want my friend, but defend against your real enemies, the enemy within, not the morons blogging here. There is one thing more pathetic that a Brazilian intellectual, those are the Brazilians that flee their country and it's problems to become some other countries problems.
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written by bo, January 17, 2007
It is a fact, that more people died by violence in Brazil last year than in the war in Iraq, nothing for an American to be proud of, but a remarkable context.



American propaganda in action.




LOL...no propoganda there, that's a statistical fact!
GTY
written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
My outrage about people being murdered in plain daylight exists, that's why I am outraged by the US invasion in Iraq. I will defende my country, you may be sure of that, especially of these racist bastards trying to transform my country in some Nazi playground.
Trojan Horse
written by A brazilian, January 17, 2007
This racial mentality is a kind of trojan horse. It will certainly destroy Brazil if allowed in. Once you follow their mindset you will subject yourself to their values. One example of what is to come if it's up to them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

What kind of "multicultural society" classifies people in such a blatant way? The numbers are the least of the problems in it, the real problem is non-sensical black/white simplification, as if people weren't different from each other and no consideration for mixtures. Welcome to the american mind.
Outrage
written by GTY, January 18, 2007
I too am outraged about US action in Iraq, so are 75% of the American people, but at least there is some rationality regarding the battle there. American's are not killing Americans. On the other hand, your battle is with your country men, Brazilian's killing Brazilians with impunity, for no reason other than a few real. You should resolve to fight your battle first, then worry about the rest of the world. You are using the US action in Iraq as a destraction, you are not really outraged about Iraq, few are, but it helps you from having to confront your own evil problems. Instead of stating your outrage about what is happening in Brazil in this blog, what are you doing to help deal with the problem? Brazil lacks the resolve (courage?) to deal with this constant blood letting.
Oh… Almighty, Forgive Them… (the american infidels)!
written by Costinha, January 18, 2007
For They Do Not Know What They Do…

Unless of course it is about war, killing, bombing, greed, slavery, control, violence, deceit, bad food and lots of fat people!

And yet almighty, they (the american infidels), print on their money “In God We Trust” and celebrate “Thanksgiving.” In reality, they should print on their currency “In War We Thrust” and celebrate “Tankskilling.”

Shameless nation, shameless people, shameless hypocrisy!
Great Turd Yankee - GTY
written by Costinha, January 18, 2007
You aren't very sharp...for a guy with a pointy-head! Do you speak fluent dyslexic?

a*****emotherf**ker...

Costinha
VICTOR - You are beyond moronic...
written by Costinha, January 18, 2007
and into a whole new realm of idiocy.

Thanks, I always wondered what chicken-s**t, horse-s**t and bull-s**t would smell like if it was all mixed together in one post. Now I know. Now then, Go f.u.c.k. yourself into oblivion, she-beast.

GTY
written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
what are you doing to help deal with the problem?


I am doing what everyone else should be doing, I am working my ass off and struggling for a better life for myself.
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written by Ric, January 18, 2007
All about self, eh? Keep working your ass off and your biotipo will no longer fit the Brazilian ideal, if it indeed does now.
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
And what do you know about that?
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written by Ric, January 18, 2007
I don´t know nothing. I don´t even read very well. Oh, good job in another thread using the word "issues". Used to be we had "problems". Then Amway changed that to "challenges". Now it´s "issues". Saw a bumper sticker in the States, "I Have Issues".... . Can I get you one? A sticker, not an issue.
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written by A brazilian, January 18, 2007
When people run out of arguments they become "grammar Nazis", very common in internet forums. I am not writing a book in here, I just come in and type something fast between tasks. Understand it, or not, it's up to you.

Not sure what your point is, besides the one of trying to be an a*****e. Just trying, not there yet.
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written by Ric, January 18, 2007
How can I run out of arguments when I never had any to start with? At least you can type, I never learned how. You´re the one whose identity is confused, not me.
Thanks for the memories Costinha
written by GWB, January 19, 2007
Costinha,

Dubya here. How you livin' my little cachorrinha brasileira? I just wanted to thank you for the lovely interlude the other night. I would normally take you to a better place but I figured you'd feel more comfortable doing it in a car at that cheap drive-in motel. There's nothing I love more than a favela rat who swallows in exchange for a cold beer. I want you to know that Cheney was pretty upset at having to take sloppy seconds but in the end we both got what we wanted. We both love to go slumming for the lowest class cum dumpsters possible and you fit the bill perfectly. Thanks again - the memories will last a liftime. Well, gotta get back to taking over the world. Hugs and Kisses, Dubya
Racsm in Brazil. Why denny it
written by Vera Bishop, September 10, 2007

Only the tought to come back to Brazil. It makes me sick. I love USA and the many..................opportunitirs I had in this country. In the land where I was born only in dreams. Thank you USA. And you knou what I am writing about the RACISMO that exist in Brazil. Turn on your beuatiful brazilian channel e see the faces on Tv only whites..


Vera Bishop USA
Brazil is indeed disgustingly racist
written by Douglas Bishop, September 12, 2007
I will back up my wife, Vera, with a post of my own.

I remember a little experiment I did when we went to Brazil in January of 2005. I went with Vera, Glaucia (one of our nieces), Pablo (Glaucia's brother), and Fernando (Glaucia's husband) to downtown Natal buy a desktop computer. When we entered the store, I made a point of entering last. As the others entered the store, I watched the face of the very German-looking salesman in the store. He was very obviously apprehensive and disgusted upon seeing my wife and the others enter the store. Then, I entered, and upon seeing me (I am very white, and even more so then, having come straight out of a Vermont winter), the salesman all but ran towards me with his hand held out, saying, "Bom dia, senhor." (good morning, sir).

I immediately understood what was going on.

The salesman made a very clear effort to ignore the others with me, but I said, "Oh, the computer is for my nephew and niece. I'm only the sugar daddy paying for it." smilies/grin.gif "So", I said, "Ask them what they want, and I will take care of it."

The salesman was stunned, but he complied.

I spent my time studying the computer accessories in the store while the salesman spoke to Glaucia and Pablo about assembling the desktop PC they wanted. Finally, when they had assembled the complete order, I walked over and asked to see what the salesman wanted to sell to them. It was the most ridiculous excuse for PC specs that I ever had the displeasure of reading. So, knowing my way around a PC well (the others did not at that time), I said, "Wait a minute. Why have you assembled so substandard a system? You have better components than these available, I hope." The salesman hesitates, then says, "Well, these things I recommended are less.........expensive".

My only reply was, "So?"

The guy then, with me looking over his shoulder, assembled an acceptable quality PC. I remember the price. He looks at me, and doubtfully said, "2450 reais." I just shrugged, opened my wallet, and strted counting 100 real bills right in his face. Then, to his immense discomfort, I did not hand him the money, but I handed it to my wife, and said, "Could you please count this, Vera? Maybe I made a mistake." So, she did, and then handed the money not to the salesman, but to my niece. We forced that racist bastard to be fair and deal equally with Glaucia and Pablo.

The salesman was very obviously uncomfortable about the situation. smilies/grin.gif

It is true that customs differ from culture to culture, but well, a person of enough moral strength, courage, and cleverness can enforce a few of their own customs anywhere.

While in Brazil, with my own eyes and ears, I saw and heard the Europeans and white Brazilians refer to the darker majority as "macacos" (monkeys) and "negros" (comparable to saying the N-word in the USA).

P.S., A BRAZILIAN, you are in serious denial. smilies/grin.gif
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