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By Car, Air or Foot, Brazilians Can't Escape Chaos and Crime PDF Print E-mail
2007 - January 2007
Written by Carlos Chagas   
Friday, 19 January 2007 16:30

Huge hole on Brazilian road Brazil is dissolving like an ice cream exposed to the sun. The public authority's failure doesn't seem to be the sole reason, but it is for sure, the main one. That's been happening for quite some time, but in the last few months the situation has become more than unbearable, because it turned into tragedy.

At the airports, despite all the promises, the chaos gets repeated every week. One day the meteorological conditions are blamed, the other failures in the voice communication system are the culprit, then we get breakdowns in the Cindactas (air control towers), soon after the problem has to do with aircraft maintenance or overworked crews when the flight controllers are not engaged in a work-to-rule campaign.

Obviously good part of the responsibility lies with the incompetent and even wicked airlines, which sell more tickets than they have seats, but it would be incumbent on the state to find a solution, which it doesn't. Things might start getting better with a state intervention.

But what happens to the suffering citizen, who distrustful of air transportation decides to go by land? If he has a car he runs the risk to get halted or swallowed by one of millions of potholes spread throughout the roads. If he takes the bus he will take three times longer than scheduled since buses cannot take off as an airplane. And what about the railroads? You can't use them, they are not made to carry passengers.

Even the scarce subway, for so long thought to be secure, is starting to scare people away.  Craters suddenly open up, as it just happened in São Paulo, while authorities can't do a thing but start an enquiry. Without mentioning that in many capital cities the underground transportation stops its services when the public needs it most. Privatized after Olympic public investments, the subways have been turned into pubs that close their doors at night when profits drop.

Despite its health benefits walking is painful and you have to add to that the total insecurity we have to brave at every block we are able to transpose. Gunmen may be behind any wall or pole when they are not driving around in stolen cars, setting up barricades in  main avenues or simply staging shootings, throwing grenades, and aimlessly kidnapping and killing pedestrians.

Let's admit it, all we can say has already been mentioned by the Portuguese merchant in the past: "Quem não tem competência não se estabelece" (He who has no wherewithal shouldn't open shop). It happens that the government not only opened shop but also acted to extend its term of incompetence.

The government shrugs when it is asked to stop making promises and start subjecting itself to the common Brazilian's daily hardships, something it should do at least to know how the population is living.

The rulers, however, go about in helicopters, armored cars, special planes, a profusion of bodyguards and much idle talk. When it's time to do something nothing happens. The ice cream melts.

Skipping Brazil

Not that it would be important, but it was probably better that Iran's president did not land here during his visit to some Latin American countries. That would be a security headache for Brazil. We must respect the old Persian empire might, together with its millenary culture and contributions to the arts and science, but nowadays we wouldn't have anything to gain if president Lula celebrated the visitor with banquets in the Itamaraty, Brazil's foreign ministry.

It would only cause us trouble hearing his perorations against the United States, a country much closer to us than to them. I'm curious, however, to know: "Why did he skip Brazil?" Would the fundamentalist Mahmoud Ahmedinejad be forging an alliance with Hugo Chávez's Venezuela, Daniel Ortega's Nicaragua and Rafael Correa's Ecuador? Could he be organizing a Brancaleone Army to confront the superpower? In this case, Evo Morales's Bolivia is missing. Or is the Iran leader offering nuclear technology to possible partners?

In Quito, at the inauguration of the new Ecuadorian chief of state, Brazilian president Lula was introduced to and greeted Iran's president, in contrast to Nestor Kirchner, of Argentina, who missed the ceremony so he wouldn't have to do the same.

You don't need to stop acknowledging the United States unfortunate mistakes in the Middle East and elsewhere to ask why this disconcerting trek of the Iranian president is happening. If it is just to bring trouble to this side of the world, he did well by skipping Brazil.

Carlos Chagas writes for the Rio's daily Tribuna da Imprensa and is a representative of the Brazilian Press Association, in Brasília. He welcomes your comments at carloschagas@hotmail.com.

Translated from the Portuguese by Arlindo Silva.



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Gotta laugh
written by GTY, January 20, 2007
The latest great robbery story in Brazil? I gang of thugs robbed a bus in Rio...yeah, I know, what's new right? They cut off everone's hair to sell because hair extensions are the latest rage in Brazil. Now everyone is walking around with their long hair tucked up under a hat or scarf. You have to hand it to Brazilians, they take crime to a new level!
Excellent article !
written by ch.c., January 21, 2007
And then The Wearing Pampers Minister and army generals promised that Brazil has the most sophisticated air security....on this planet !!!!!
They have even hidden the fact that Brazil has many large blindspots when they said that Brazil has..... NOOOOO known blindspot ! Guaranteed...of course !!!!!!
Looks like that tens of millions of air passengers are at risk....annually.... !!!

Other promises made by Lula and his gang of crooks, cheaters and liars were :
- 10 millions new jobs during his first mandate ! Failed....by over 4 millions.
- 400'000 MST settlements ! But 200'000 have been settled !
- 5 % economic growth rate ! Promised year after year...but failed year after year by a wide margin. Average growth rate
during Lula first mandate......2,7 % !
- OHHHHH......but Lula asked his ministers and advisers to put a plan in force to have 5 % economic growth rate.....in 2007 !
Laugh...laugh...laugh !!!!

And Yessssss.....many road potholes are as large as swimming pools, some as large as lagoons !!!!!!
But in 2005 Lula signed some laws and agreements for inftrastructure construction using the PPP !
Sadly enough....since then.......not 1 single real contract was signed !
But dont worry....Lula has again put these projects in priority....for his second mandate ! Laugh...laugh !!!!!


Yesssssss Brazil is a backward country ! Nothing work smoothly....except corruptions at all levels from bureaucrats workers to
the highest government levels !
Strange.....no new news....on the ambulances scandal !
Strange.....no new news....on the Alckmin/Serra files and the source of the 1,7 millions Reais !

In both cases Lula promised that those guilty will be punished !
But if investigations are closed or politically manipulated...from the government itself...there wont be indictments...
by definition !

Yessss....Brazil is a shameful country. Enjoy your life in the largest and deepest Tropical Mud.
Afterall who has elected and re-elected ...these crooks and liars ?
Thus who can complain ? You have what you wanted and voted for !
The sub-human Ch.c
written by A brazilian, January 21, 2007
The way you write looks like you 15 years old.
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written by cold front, January 22, 2007
Great article!! But we allready know it...This part of the world has allways had corrupt impotent loud mouth midgets... more like cartoon characters....the southern continent seems to be stuck in third world status...oh well, same old same old ... ...incidentally , what is brazil known for other than the amazon which i heard is a vast swamp...and the in competent air traffic control system...the trafficking of illegal aliens to the north via mexico... the pipeline of illegals to great britain and western europe...what is brazils role in ectasy,cocaine,counterfeit drugs, alien trafficking, money laundering,are these your exports to the western world...well got to go now I don,t want to miss news reports about our airbourne and marine divisions assembling for the middle east...along with naval carrier groups...All on high definition wide screen of course...Ahhhhhh for the ultra sophistication of our technologies...our ultra superpower military ...our world status as the wealthiest nation on earth...our status as having the worlds largest middle class...Ahhhhhh...
incompetence
written by Joseph, January 22, 2007
I am a gringo living in Rio for 3 years. Every year, I make less and less money (but work harder) and I become more and more afraid to live here as the infrastructure worsens, violence worsens, and politicans do nothing but make false promises. Everything here is for the rich, even Lula's great 5% growth plan has most investments going to the oil industry that is aleady dirty filthy rich! I like Brazil and I see the opportunities for this country to be great. However, the reality is, it will not be anything but trouble for years to come....
Incompetence
written by GTY, January 22, 2007
I agree Joseph, I lived in Rio, Ipanema to be exact, for 2 years (04/05) and loved Brazil, I was fortunate enough to work for an American company as an expat. The crime then was so common most people just turned their backs as crime being normalicy, we used to listen to the shoot outs in the favelas every other night. Still, the only problem I had was having my sandals stolen at the beach. It is unfortuante but most of the people being murdered in Brazil, which has the worst per capita murder rate of any countyr in the world, are poor youths...yes, the rich are victims of crime too, but at a much lower rate, but their crimes are the ones that make the Globp headlines, another body found dead and burned in the favela does not even warrant a mention. The government and rich elite are directly responsible for this problem and there is no end in site, if fact under the Lula watch drug gangs have become even more brazen. I still enjoy several trips to Brazil each year, but now try and visit places in the South or North that are relativly crime free and I am looking forward to a 2 week fishing trip in the Amazon later this year. I think the most frustrating part of living and actually seeing Brazil and knowing Brazilians, is the Brazilians lack of courage to address their issues, instead being caught up in the beach, football and Carnival. These 3 things make life bearable.
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written by Luca, Rome, January 22, 2007
No "modern" country can go on for too long without a big middle-class instead of the absurd class disparities found in Brazil today. If things don't change, Brazil will turn into a Apartheid South Africa... ops it already is, but samba, futebol & happy tv sweetens the bitter pill
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written by A brazilian, January 22, 2007
...these your exports to the western world...


The poor bastard don't even know geography. Brazil is in the western hemisphere. HahahahHAHahahHahAHAhahah

Yes, your super power is having their asses kicked in Iraq. Wasn't that operation supposed to be quick?
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written by A brazilian, January 22, 2007
Luca, It's impossible for any country to be more racist than Europe.
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written by bo, January 22, 2007
I still enjoy several trips to Brazil each year, but now try and visit places in the South or North that are relativly crime free



where is that? Virtual brazil? smilies/grin.gif
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written by A brazilian, January 22, 2007
Crime is concentrated more in certain big urban areas. There are many places relatively crime free.
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written by the guy that pnwd A Brazilian, January 22, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-01-22 11:43:13

Luca, It's impossible for any country to be more racist than Europe.


You correct someone else for their geography mistakes yet according to you Europe is a country. Nice!
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written by American, January 22, 2007
(for the comment about the U.S getting their butt kick.)

At least the U.S is a super power, Not many countries and history can say they acheive that status, where they are dominant. If the U.S wanted to they could nuke Iraq, but we are part of the nuclear proliferation. and many innocent people would die. No nukes have been used since WW2 and since the U.S drop one on Japan.
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written by A brazilian, January 22, 2007
At least the U.S is a super power...


Nothing changes the fact that you are getting your butts kicked! And it's not the first time!! Hahahahahaha. A bunch of corrupt politicians using its own people to profit!
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written by A brazilian, January 22, 2007
You correct someone else for their geography mistakes yet according to you Europe is a country. Nice!


And you must be dyslexic, because I never wrote that.
Brazilian
written by GTY, January 22, 2007
Losses have been heavy in Iraq no doubt on both sides. But our losses are due to fighting a well armed motivated and yes, under estimated enemy, it has truly been a fiasco and we will now disengaged defeated...not any easy pill for any American to swallow. But in Brazil your Army is getting it's ass kicked by a bunch of sandal wearing, no teeth, uneducated drug dealers who buy automatic weapons from selling drugs to the rich kids of Zona Sul, while you laugh at us, I I will not laugh at you, that is simply pathetic. I will hope that you change your diapers and get down to the business of retaking your largest cities.
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written by A brazilian, January 23, 2007
Our largest cities weren't taken, it's a matter of fighting crime.
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written by 10322, January 23, 2007
I travel every weekend to São Paulo shore and I am not swallowed by potholes... maybe Chagas travels to Buzios or Petropolis every weekend and is hidding the pot gold... By the way I have a great time when I travel and see all tourists enjoying themselves a lot... what a mystery.
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written by cold front, January 23, 2007
America has never been militarily defeated in its entire history...Just as it is not being defeated in Iraq... the us has the most modern formidable military in the world... it is the worlds sole # 1 superpower.....
cold front
written by A brazilian, January 23, 2007
Repeat that until you start believing in it.

Your formidable military isn't enough for keeping the mexicans from crossing the border into US it seems. What formidable people those Mexicans, aren't they?
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written by Luca, Rome, January 23, 2007
I am not saying Europe or the US are better than Brazil. But this is a website devoted to Brazil and its social situation and I am just pointing out to problems which should be tackled and not ignored. What strikes me most about Brazil is certain way of taking things for granted or "normal". The homicide rate in cities like Rio, San Paolo & Recife is higher than Iraq...
There is a war going on in your big cities and you cannot just shrug it off. I am not saying Europe is better but I love brazil and the situation really saddens me.
Brazil has been taken
written by GTY, January 23, 2007
By criminials that include the Army, police and politicans. If you pay a cop less than $1000 a month, he needs to live in the favelas with the same criminals he needs to fight, therefore what is he going to do about his family...either join the criminals or turn the other way. The drug lords, although the have a very short life expectency, usually killed by rival gangs not police or military. The Brazilian feels "this is a crime fighting issue", this is a war and needs to be fought like one, but Brazil lacks the courage and technological advantage to do so. Women and children will continue to be burned in their homes and buses, a national shame.
To Cold Front
written by GTY, January 23, 2007
Sorry, I was a believer too, in fact served for 10 years as an infantryman in the US Army and a veteran of Desert Storm 1. This one is lost, it's a hard realization, but we are losing in Iraq. You can blame Mr. Bush and Dick Cheney whom I also once supported but they have conducted the war like two blundering idiots. The military leadership has been pathetic only worried about their own political survival. In fact this war was lost when we did not put enough troops on the ground during the inital engagement...thank Rumsfield for that. Inmature litte boys should not play at war will real weapons, Bush did so. Bad chocie, after bad choice means this war is lost. Iraq shares much blame, while it kills me to say it, it's time to admit defeat and pull the troops out, we should not lose one more young brave life based on an ungratful country and incompetent leadership, I would say to do so is a sin and moraly bankrupt, my sorrow lies with those American families who lost love ones for a futile war, I thank God my children were to young to participate in this evil. While it is true, we do maintain the most formidable military in the world, if we continue to fight wars without using our full capabilites we are doomed to more Iraq's. If we would have went after the mosques, cities and enemy wherever they were hiding including among civilans this war would have been over, many lives saved both American and Iraqui and our troops would have been home. There is no such thing as a clean war without collateral damage, that would have been accetable, the torture of prisoners is not.
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written by A Brazilian-born American, January 23, 2007
is the Brazilians lack of courage to address their issues


This is very typical. Once Brazilians get cornered by their social ills (worsened when
pointed out by a foreigner) they start poiting at the US for blame or to say they have problems, too.

Yes, we have our share of problems but they are on a very different level.
When are the Brazilian people wake up and realize that Brazil has been going
downhill for years and it will need its people to fix it?

Brazil is alerady in the toilet. It only needs a flush.



Bigotry
written by A brazilian, January 23, 2007
Once Brazilians get cornered by their social ills (worsened when
pointed out by a foreigner) they start poiting at the US for blame or to say they have problems, too.


I think this stereotype is convenient for those interested in defaming Brazil. If they exaggerate as much as they can, than that's ok, and if any brazilian says otherwise then he is "not recognizing the problems".

Every country has problems. But if you read every single comment in this thread you will see that there's nothing but bigotry in here. And any brazilian should voice against that.
To A Brazilian !
written by ch.c., January 24, 2007
Are you talking about your grandfather who emigrated in Brazil and used so many black slaves ?

Then I agree with you, THESE Europeans are racists...and you belong to them !

and if every country has its problems, I agree with you, but then please name another country of your choice and with your knowledge, that has 50 % of youths deaths rate aged 15-24 WHO DIED BY VIOLENT CRIME !!!

One name is enough !
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written by A brazilian, January 24, 2007
You don't know it, ch.c, you are just saying it to make your argument more believable in the eyes of the clueless.
To A Brazilian.... again !!!!
written by ch.c., January 24, 2007
Sorry for you junkie, but what happens in Brazil doesnt happen in my country.
Therefore the sub-human is not me....but those governing your s**tty country !
AND it is the Brazilian society who elected these crooks and liars.....NOT ME !

Brazil and Switzerland are definitely not on the same planet.

Here we care...for ALL citizens, even for those illegally here !
Swiss pay their own healtcare and it is free for the illegals !
Our jails are 5 stars. Very clean and those jailed have a choice of 3 daily menus ! True.
Our roads and highways dont have millions of potholes.
Impunity doesnt exist.
Excellent schools at ALL levels.
Hospitals are first class.
No one is under nourrished or in hunger.
On a comparative of many metrics with other countries we are in the top decile....not the last decile as Brazil is so often.
There is a lively community of brazilians around and we have no problems at all.
And I can tell you that very few of them have a desire to return in Brazil. Guess why !
continued.....
written by ch.c., January 24, 2007
And here we can have US$ 20'000.- in our pockets, wear expensives watches, stop at red lights at night, walk in the streets
day or night....without ALL the risks ÿou have in Brazil !

Ohhhh and guarandeed too....there is no bus highjacking and citizens burnt alive !
Also no gang shooting against our police stations, banks or whatever !


Yesssss....a world apart !
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written by American, January 25, 2007
We may getting our butts kick, but at the same time little is reported of the butts we are kicking. This is the way that the world envy and hate the U.S. Also about the crime rate in Iraq in brazil is totally different. These people in Iraq are killing hundreds by the day, torturing, using car bombs, Iranian explosives that Iran gets from Russia. Its really not a war with Iraq and the U.S but Russia, and Iran against the U.S. Iraq is just a front.
In all I like Brazil and like the U.S. there will be more wars and social differences in the future unless we get along as people instead of religous, political, and territorial differences.
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written by A Brazilian-born American, January 25, 2007
we get along as people instead of religous, political, and territorial differences


Hey American:

Is your name Rodney King? smilies/cheesy.gif

SWITZERLAND
written by Luca Roma, January 26, 2007
Swiss man you made me laugh out loud!!! Hypocrite!, LOL!!! Switzerland recycles all the world's drug-money and you boast you have a lots of money to spend on fabulous infrastracture! Your country legal system refuses all the time to cooperate with other judicial systems around the world to get criminals behind bars! And you boast about that! those lovely Swiss chalet are built on blood!
Jean Ziegler book...
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-6565321-2517255?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=jean ziegler
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written by Luca Roma, January 26, 2007
Brazil reality is 100000000000000 times better than Swiss hypocrisy...and what the hell you need clean street if you have bad taste LOL
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written by American, January 26, 2007
No my name is Gringo,
Are you happy????????
Grow up!!!!!
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written by American, January 26, 2007
No my name is Gringo are you happy?????

Grow up !!!!!!!!!!! (Brazilian born American)
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written by bo, January 27, 2007
There are many places (in brasil) relatively crime free.



onde o diabo perdeu as botas??
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written by cold front, January 28, 2007
TO GTY.... the war is lost!!!! Qualifie that statement !!!...You are a usefull idiot!!!! for the enemy .....It ain,t over till the fat lady sings ... in fact it is just the beginning...AHHHHHH..the glory of it!!!!!!..Iraq is the first front... the bigger fish behind the insurgency in iraq will be dealt with...
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written by Ric, January 30, 2007
The day that the Americans or their interests abandon the Iraqi oil fields one will be able to say that the US lost the war. At least one phase of it. But I don´t think that mere web surfers in third world countries will be able to get a true picture of the reality on the ground in those areas, so such people will probably never really know.
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written by A brazilian, February 01, 2007
But I don´t think that mere web surfers in third world countries will be able to get a true picture of the reality on the ground in those areas...


Yes, and web surfers from the so called "first world" will. Could you tell me how?
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written by u.s.a. I.C.E., February 01, 2007
What the hell is a american brazilian?... or is it brazilian american....??
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written by Jorgao, February 01, 2007
Wow, so much confusion not to mention flaming ignorance!!....this is scary. I don’t even know where to start! Are you blind to see that the human race is in question and you actually believe that we are going to get rid of these so called insurgence? Can we rid the world of everybody who contradicts our own philosophy or should we find common ground in order to work together..?? I am afraid it could be too late. Remember that "suffering will eventually become a great motivator to learn and understand (less aggression, more compassion)." Why are my people dying? Why so much hate?

I think that one way to combat this benightedness is through education of course.. I suggest that it should be mandatory to study abroad for at least 6 months in order to expand people’s minds and for them to hopefully come to the realization that we have something in common with everybody on this planet. And that it is impossible to truly understand this concept if you’ve never experienced another culture (not just visited). But in order for this to become a reality the first ingredient is respect.

I can only imagine the 5th grader name calling and criticism I will endure because of my humble suggestions....Try using some words that are not repeated on CNN or Fox news....terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, insurgents, Al Quada, US superpower, protect freedom etc and think for yourself!.....Why should these words even come to play in a forum about Brazil?? Do you realize that Brazil was part of the "allies" in WWII? Brazil is currently a neutral country and this I admire. Brazil has problems, big ones at that but you will find that many genuine/good people come from there, as they do from every country. If you take the time to interact (oops this might require some social skills and respect, I might be asking too much for some) And next time you look in the mirror remember the term "the ugly American" (which doesn’t apply to us all if you truly understand the origin of this phrase) and try studying some books. Best wishes and much respect...
Easy
written by Brazilian-born American, February 03, 2007
No my name is Gringo,
Are you happy????????
Grow up!!!!!


Sorry you missed my point.
A bunch of people talk about getting along, blah blah blah..

People will never get along.. it is in our DNA.. the nature of the issues we are dealing with today
have been around since the cave days and they will be around to the end of days.

Talking about it is good.. getting frustated for not getting anything resolved is a waste of time...
get out and live life the best you can.

The only reason I am here talking to you is because I got bored.

Cheers...
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written by cold front, February 03, 2007
so your saying we should be indoctrinated into ignoring a insurgence ,..through propoganda,and if we refuse to do so you label us ignorants, and that we should find common ground with those of opposing philosophy!!And the words you hear from our media ,they to should be censored you say...So you imply to censor and propagandise......You sound like a impotent delusional third world midget with a stinking old t- shirt of che guevara...
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written by Jorgao, February 03, 2007
Sounds like you should inlist...best of luck smilies/wink.gif
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written by Jorgao, February 03, 2007
" You sound like a impotent delusional third world midget with a stinking old t- shirt of che guevara... “Written by Cold Front..

I knew this was coming, remember when I wrote " I can only imagine the 5th grader name calling and criticism I will endure because of my humble suggestions..." It is hard to be hopeful when the possibility of finding common ground is immediately dismissed because I don’t think we should be in Iraq?? You have been mislead by the current administration, as I knew since the beginning and every day it becomes more evident. A lot of the republicans think our leader is mad. Maybe the answer is to bomb everybody that we don’t get along with or who disagrees with the raping of their resources (Iraq was invaded). This is not defense against terrorists, it is a war motivated by corprate aggression and gread, they dont care anybody but the$$ers Continue your life insulting the people who you don’t get agree with and see where it gets you, maybe you should enlist. smilies/tongue.gif
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written by Jorgao, February 03, 2007
written by Brazilian-born American

"People will never get along.. it is in our DNA.. the nature of the issues we are dealing with today
have been around since the cave days and they will be around to the end of days."

I get along with most. I am proud to say I have no enemies and nobody walks on me, I dont take any s**t. I just know the value of communication and respect, try it!
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written by Jorgao, February 03, 2007
"o your saying we should be indoctrinated into ignoring a insurgence ,..through propaganda, and if we refuse to do so you label us ignorants, and that we should find common ground with those of opposing philosophy!!And the words you hear from our media ,they to should be censored you say...So you imply to censor and propagandise."

I think that you should read my text again. Assuming that you did, here I go again.... Where did you get that I suggested censorship? I simply suggested that you should think for yourself and use your own words. I was also commenting on the fact that you regurgitate everything you are fed through television (hence the language that you choose).

What is the propaganda machine that is influencing me, I am open to suggestions.
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written by cold front, February 03, 2007
Now why would I ignore two bastions of american capitalism like CNN or Fox whose combined worth is greater then your countries GNP...And ,more than your neighbor to the north, with the imaginary army and styrofoam rifles....
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written by bo, February 03, 2007
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written by Jorgao, 2007-02-01 04:36:17


Brazil is currently a neutral country and this I admire.



A neutral country??? LMAO! In respect to what???? I think if you ask the people in Haiti if brazil is a "neutral" country you'll get a resounding...Huh??
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written by A brazilian, February 04, 2007
I think if you ask the people in Haiti if brazil is a "neutral" country you'll get a resounding...Huh??


What this is supposed to mean? Brazil is there in a UN mission.
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written by cold front, February 04, 2007
And their being paid to be there and also have the u.s. support....there is also 1700 u.n. troops...this should be a experience gaining exercise for these troops ... since brazil has very little if not any military experience....
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written by cold front, February 04, 2007
of course it s a little disappointing to hear of the problems still going on there.. especially since it took a small contingent of american marine commandoes to overtake the entire island of Grenada in 4hrs ...
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written by bo, February 04, 2007
What this is supposed to mean? Brazil is there in a UN mission.



So what??? In 1991 half the world was in Iraq on a U.N. mission with planes, tanks, guns, and soldiers. They certainly were NOT "neutral".

When any country puts it's military on the ground in another country it has objectives, which are NEVER "neutrality". If one has a policy of "neutrality", as Switzerland likes to always maintain, then they certainly never send their military to a foreign land!


God you ARE stupid aren't ya bud??? You're ignorance is really impressive!!! It's almost getting too much continuing to try and converse with a person as blatently ignorant as yourself.
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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
Brazil used to do really well in wars, kind of late so I´m not going to check these dates, but around 1493 the Pope divided South America up between Spain and Portugal, Portugal got just the tip of NE Brazil, the next year a treaty, can´t remember where but starts with a T, gave Portugal much more. If one starts in Santos and draws a straight line north to Bragança, Pará, everything to the east was for Portugal, west for Spain. So the city of SP and the city of Brasilia would be in Spain´s territory.

Brazil won all their land west of that parallel, forty six thirty something, fair and square, in wars. Up until the mideast wars of the sixties and seventies it was always a given that if you´ve got what it takes to capture it and secure it, it´s yours until a stronger force prevails against you.....And then the government did really well in the Canudos War, after a false start and a year of getting it together.....
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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
Should have said longitude rather than parallel to avoid confusion...good night.
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written by A brazilian, February 05, 2007
So what??? In 1991 half the world was in Iraq on a U.N. mission with planes, tanks, guns, and soldiers. They certainly were NOT "neutral".


You seem to confuse neutrality with lack of objectives, if they are in a mission then, logically, there will be objectives, but the neutrality refers to the reasons. Brazil is not there to steal resources or displace people like the US, and its mission has support of the UN unlike the US retards invading a country because of the oil and other corporate interests.
Teenagers
written by A brazilian, February 05, 2007
of course it s a little disappointing to hear of the problems still going on there.. especially since it took a small contingent of american marine commandoes to overtake the entire island of Grenada in 4hrs ...


It seems that Iraq is taking a little longer than that, hahahahahahahahahahaha. Wasn't it supposed to be quick?

... since brazil has very little if not any military experience....


Brazil participated of WWII.
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written by Brazilian-born American, February 06, 2007
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Brazil participated of WWII


WOW
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
Right on, Bob, participated of it they did indeed. Even built Fairchild PT19´s in Brazil, using freijó instead of spruce. Took my primary training in one. Brazilian airforce did very well in Italy. Participated of it, yes, how wll you put it.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-02-05 16:33:00

So what??? In 1991 half the world was in Iraq on a U.N. mission with planes, tanks, guns, and soldiers. They certainly were NOT "neutral".



You seem to confuse neutrality with lack of objectives, if they are in a mission then, logically, there will be objectives, but the neutrality refers to the reasons. Brazil is not there to steal resources or displace people like the US, and its mission has support of the UN unlike the US retards invading a country because of the oil and other corporate interests.



Listen, you need to look up the definition of "neutrality". Here, I'll do it for you..

neu·tral·i·ty /nuˈtrælɪti, nyu-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noo-tral-i-tee, nyoo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.the state of being neutral.
2.the policy or status of a nation that does not participate in a war between other nations: the continuous neutrality of Switzerland.


YOU my friend are the one that is confusing objectives with neutrality. If a country is "neutral", then they CERTAINLY don't send their military to a foreign land. Brazil is in Haiti because the U.S. gov't. is allowing them to be there....period. Did you see that the U.S. gov't. just "approved" the brazilian military staying another year??? They sent yet another 20 million dollars to Haiti which makes nearly 700 million dollars sent in the last 2 years. Do you think the U.S. and the U.N. don't have their objectives??? Is brazil not helping accomplish both the U.S. and the U.N.'s objectives???

If one is neutral, your only objective is to remain neutral, and NOT take sides. The U.N., the U.S., and BRAZIL have definitely took sides, they are on the side of the current gov't. in power.
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
What I keep wondering is why no one has commented on the article that says that Brazil can stay in Haiti only because the USA says they can. Não mexeu não? Achou ruim não? Não queria negar nada não? ´mbora gente, dar um jeito nessas arapongas, ora.
Bo-tard
written by A brazilian, February 06, 2007
Brazil is not in a war between nations, the goal in Haiti is not to exerminate the "enemy", but to keep the peace. It's a mission, not a war. And second, Brazil is there on behalf of the UN not the US. The relevance of the US money and polical power in the UN is not relevant to the fact that Brazil is there on behalf of the UN not the US.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
A Brazilian, are you really that STUPID??? Obviously so!! A statement was made that brazil is a "neutral" country, that couldn't be further from the truth. It doesn't matter if it's a war, a peacekeeping mission, etc. You can call it whatever you want, but when a country sends its military to a foreign land they are most certainly NOT neutral.

If you ask the question to the groups that are currently fighting against the Haitian gov't. at the moment if brazil is "neutral", what do you think they're answer would be??
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written by Ric, February 07, 2007
Maybe Bob´s brain is in neutral but his fingers still do the [keyboard] walking. Racing his engine. Like the kids in Kalispell used to say to the old lady in the Hudson, "Let the clutch out, Mildred, the fan won´t pull it!"
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written by Marvin, October 22, 2007
The US military??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

They have all the technology and one of the biggest military's in the world, it's a shame they fight like cowards.

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