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Brazil's Competitive Edge Comes from Workers' Brutal Exploitation PDF Print E-mail
2007 - January 2007
Written by Jadir Antunes   
Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:21

Sugar cane cutting is extremely hard and badly paid work Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim, the president of the G-20 (the group of 21 "developing" countries formed to defend their agricultural interests in international trade talks) told the press late last year that he would fight at all costs to restore credibility to the World Trade Organization (WTO).

This "struggle" has become necessary following the collapse last year of the Doha round of negotiations on trade liberalization begun in Cancun in 2003. No concrete results were obtained out of this round after years of negotiations.

The G-20 nations organized within the WTO to defend their common interests in the face of the predominance of the United States and the European Union. It includes countries with strong agro-export sectors, such as Brazil, India, Mexico, Egypt, China and South Africa.

The G-20's principal objective is to achieve reform in world agricultural trade policies, reducing the subsidies and incentives granted to agricultural production in the US and the import tariffs imposed by the European Union.

In the recent negotiations, the G-20 managed to wrest from the EU and the US a relative concession: the approval of a series of restrictions on the practice of commercial dumping. Nonetheless, in practice, this concession is being ignored and has produced nothing.

As these two major blocks - the US and the EU - do not accept these restrictions, the WTO runs the risk of falling into terminal crisis and disappearing.

Together with the breakdown of the WTO would come the breakdown of multilateral negotiations and the growth of protectionism through bilateral agreements, in which the will of those countries with the greatest political, economic and military power will be imposed with even greater ease.

The US government provides some US$ 47 billion a year in direct agricultural subsidies, amounting to more than 18% of total American farm income. These subsidies serve, in a general sense, to compensate for the difference between the costs of agricultural production in the US, generally higher, and world market prices, generally lower.

The subsidies serve as well to aid sections of farmers to maintain profitability and guarantee a base of political support for the governing party in the US.

In the European Union, high import tariffs serve to prevent cheaper foreign imports from competing with local products, which generally sell at prices considerably higher than those set by the world market. Obviously, such tariffs serve the interests of rural private owners, who constitute one of politically most conservative sections of European society.

The European Union as well allocates close to US$ 1.6 billion annually, for example, just to subsidize the continent's export of refined sugar. The sugar industry in the countries that make up the EU buy raw sugar from their ex-colonies in the Caribbean, Africa and the Pacific, process it in their own refineries and then sell it, in violation of the WTO's rules, within the EU itself, at prices normally two times higher than the international rate.

Thus, with an aggressive protectionist policy, the Europeans manage to be the world's greatest exporters of sugar, despite production costs that are double those in countries like Brazil, Thailand and Mozambique.

Through a policy of subsidies and protectionist import tariffs, the European producers, moreover, are able to trade their sugar on the world market at below their cost of production and thereby reap major profits.

Of all the major world sugar producers, Brazil has the lowest production costs. In the state of São Paulo, the greatest national producer, the cost of production is around US$ 165 a ton.

In the EU countries, the cost is approximately US$ 700 a ton. The EU's US$ 1.6 billion in subsidies are used to bridge the huge gap between these costs and the price of sugar on the world market.

If the world market price of sugar-based alcohol, for example, was regulated directly by the cost of production, and was not distorted by protectionism, the export of Brazilian alcohol would rise by close to a billion liters a year, according to leading figures in the industry.

Because it has a highly competitive price on the world market, that is, because it has a cost of production far below international costs, the importation of Brazilian alcohol is subject to severe taxation in the US and the EU countries.

On the other hand, if European sugar was not subsidized, it would not be traded on the world market, because in other countries, the costs of production are so much lower.

In his statement to the press last year, Brazil's Foreign Minister Amorim declared, "President Lula has a long-term historic vision of the importance of the Doha Round for Brazil. It is, without any doubt, a matter of national interest, above any party, because a more balanced world trade relationship is fundamental for our peoples.

"In regard to the US, I am confident in the desire and the political interest of President Bush to arrive at an agreement. The US is the promoter of free trade. They are very proud of this, and there are people who see the necessity of reforms in the American agricultural sector."

Thus, the entire problem, apparently, would be solved if the "neo-liberal" leaderships in the US and the EU would only follow the logic of their "liberalism" on this question. More or less, this is the way the G-20 poses the question.

If only the world agricultural market were really a free market, without national barriers, countries like Brazil, India, South Africa, China, Egypt and Mexico would be able to expand their production to unprecedented level.

Sections of the bourgeoisie and their political representatives in the G-20 countries, like Brazil's Workers Party President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and other demagogues, following the arguments of their hired capitalist economists, say that if the EU and the US would only drop their protectionist policies, the countries of the G-20, beyond being able to increase their exports, could eradicate the grave social problems that flow from this protectionism, which blocks the free development of their peoples and countries.

This argument is in reality totally false. The fallacy of this thesis is obvious when we understand the real source of this high level of competitiveness enjoyed by the G-20 countries in agricultural production. The low cost of production of agricultural products in these countries flows neither from a greater capacity to produce these products nor from a higher level of productivity of labor than what exists internationally.

The real origin of the G-20's competitive advantage lies in the shocking level of exploitation of the working class in these countries. The exploitation of rural workers in countries like Brazil, India and China is brutal, often leading to deaths. In the majority of the countries that make up the G-20, the agricultural working class is extremely underpaid and is forced to work long and backbreaking days in the fields.

In the Brazilian cane fields, for example, one finds a tragic combination of mechanized and modernized production, high rates of profit and rapid and easy enrichment for the owners, combined with misery, premature death and the super-exploitation of thousands upon thousands of workers.

The conditions of life and of work for these workers are not that much different from those that confronted slaves in colonial Brazil: being overworked daily in shifts that go far beyond the legal 8-hour day, premature death for the worker as the result of the draining away of his health and energy through inhuman levels of exploitation, miserable wages that maintain the worker living near subsistence level, unhealthy and overcrowded communal housing, and the widespread employment of children and women in long and hard days of work cutting and piling up cane while covered with soot from burning straw and under the boiling sun of tropical Brazil.

Working in areas far from the urban centers, they are left without any real representation - the so-called union leaders are generally gangsters - or protection of labor laws. They have no labor contracts and are generally migrant workers who travel from one region to another during harvest or planting seasons.

In rural areas of São Paulo, the most developed state in the country, the conditions of work are horrendous. Agricultural workers receive an advance on their salaries to cover the costs of traveling from their homes to the region where they will be working, which is then deducted from their salaries, which are often paid only after the work is completed.

Beyond this, deductions are made for housing, which, in reality, amounts to nothing more than a barracks in which the "bed" is an earthen floor covered by banana leaves. If this "lodging" offered by the landowner is not completely repaid, the worker remains a prisoner of his workplace and is stopped, including by force and threat of death, from leaving to seek work from another landowner or in another area.

The Vampire Dreams of the G-20

It is this shameful reality that hides behind the "liberating" rhetoric of the G-20. It is in reality a vampire's dream, the dream of agricultural capital represented by the G-20 of capturing the world market for its products, enriching itself by a sudden leap by sucking more and more blood from the unorganized rural workers.

This is the banner of "dignity" that is behind the pretensions of the Brazilian foreign minister, who heads the G-20. He must at all costs revive the WTO negotiations, after the collapse of the Doha Round, in order to satisfy the insatiable drive of these bloodsuckers for greater profits.

Promoted by the political demagogues of Brazil's Workers Party as a battle for equality, the struggle of the G-20 against the state subsidies maintained by the great powers is fundamentally a struggle for a more generous distribution of global surplus value into the pockets of the great land barons - whose interests are inseparable from those of giant multinationals like Bunge, Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland, which control an ever-increasing share of Brazilian agribusiness.

These are the real interests behind the G-20, and their struggle is a struggle to conquer the world market by means of their intense exploitation of the rural workers. Lula and Amorim, in this case, are mere lackeys for these wealthy sectors and all of their rhetoric about free trade between nations serves only to mask definite class and social interests.

In Brazil, the agrarian bourgeoisie has a strong presence in parliament and a decisive influence on various important questions. In the last parliamentary elections in 2006, the Bancada Ruralista, a super-party parliamentary front that organizes itself as a political force on behalf of interests linked to those of agribusiness - both national and multinational - in the countryside, elected close to 111 candidates between deputies and senators, distributed among the various official parties.

In the 1980s, during the constitutional reform, the agrarian bourgeoisie succeed in founding a national association to defend its interests, the so-called UDR (Democratic Ruralist Union).

The UDR was formed by the big landowners who opposed the implementation of proposals for an agrarian reform in the country. To block any such action, it also established armed paramilitary militias to defend their property from occupation by landless rural workers.

The Bancada Ruralista exerts powerful pressure not only on the Congress, but above all upon the executive. It uses its voting power to secure cheap credit from the state, to obtain the rescheduling and forgiveness of back debts, to get state subsidies for the purchase of imported supplies and fuel and to obtain permission to cultivate transgenic crops and for the use of veterinary vaccines and medicines banned by legislation.

The Bancada Ruralista in reality manages to dictate the country's agricultural and ecological policy and to interfere in the nomination of the Minister of Agriculture and of the principal directors in the agricultural section of the Bank of Brazil, the state bank that grants loans to this sector. In the Lula government, this group managed to name both the Minister of Agriculture and the Minister of Development, both big businessmen linked to the agro-export business.

Curiously, and not by accident, the various sectors of the petty-bourgeois "left" are supporting the "struggle" of Celso Amorim, Lula and the worldwide demands for the removal of agricultural subsidies, aligning themselves, in one way or another, with the project pursued by those sections of agricultural capital which act through the G-20, and which are continuously seeking more profit and new markets.

Nothing could more clearly attest to the treacherous character of these sections of the so-called left. Whatever the opportunist illusions promoted by these layers, agricultural capital working through the G-20, will, with every conquest of new markets, simply exploit more and more workers, and this will produce not the slightest improvement in their sub-human conditions of life and work.

For another part of the so-called "left" in the G-20 countries, it is a matter of quitting the WTO and adopting an economic policy centered on the promotion of the internal market - as if this would resolve the grave social problems existing in their nation states!

According to these sections of supposed "socialists," such as the MST (Landless Workers Movement) and the Via Campesina (a type of peasant international), and even NGOs that uphold a hypothetical "solidarity trade," these massive social problems can be resolved, or at least ameliorated, if each state would direct its power to expanding the mass internal market and adopted a policy of self-sufficiency in food production.

The struggle confronting working people in Brazil and the other countries that make up the G-20 is not that of defending a national capitalist economy based on self-sufficiency and "solidarity," nor that of guaranteeing greater access to the world capitalist market for one or another capitalist country.

It can never be forgotten that behind the efforts of agrarian capital represented by the G-20 lies the super-exploitation of agricultural workers in these countries.

The struggle to defend the interests of workers, both urban and rural, can only be carried forward by organizing the working class of all countries against the owners of the means of production, including against the owners who exploit the workers of the G-20 countries.

We should fight neither for the free market, nor for the defense of national markets, but rather for the end of the market economy, for the end of national borders and for a planned socialist economy on a world scale.

This article appeared originally in the World Socialist Web Site - http://www.wsws.org



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More lies
written by a Brazilian, January 25, 2007
In the Brazilian cane fields, for example, one finds a tragic combination of mechanized and modernized production, high rates of profit and rapid and easy enrichment for the owners, combined with misery, premature death and the super-exploitation of thousands upon thousands of workers.


This is more gringo propaganda. Brazil is the most caring nation on earth, all workers are paid fairly and enjoy a lifestyle second to none. In Brazil, everyone has a masters degree, there is no prostitution, no corruption, no racism, no unemployment. Brazil is perfect, it is only the concerted effort by the CIA and the WTO to put propaganda on this site that gives the world the wrong opinion of the most perfect nation on Earth. The CIA also plant homeless people on the streets and have staged killings in RIO so people think it is Brazilians. It is not. They are all CIA actors. Brazil invented futebol, and the space ship. Brazil also inveted the car and we built the Space station. Brazil is the only country to have landed on Venus.

Damn gringos, you know nothing
The despair of some
written by A brazilian, January 25, 2007
Now some gringos are using my nickname in an attempt to discredit me. What a bunch of losers.
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written by a Brazilian, January 25, 2007
Brazilians also invented sarcasm....
what a shame!
written by Luca Roma, January 25, 2007
What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this a democratic country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s62kh3TccB0
Socialists
written by A brazilian, January 25, 2007
Great, an article published in a socialist site, that gives an exact idea of where this guy is coming from.
Tedious and Pointless
written by Cabral, January 25, 2007
This article, albeit dealing with an interesting topic, ended up being utterly tedious and pointles. What shall I think now: are agricultural subsidies good or bad?
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written by A brazilian, January 25, 2007
He is using it just for bashing Brazil. Any country has its elites that seek to promote ande defend their own interests, not only agricultural elites, but all kinds of elites. The US is no different.

He seems to start denouncing the protectionism of the US and Europe, that goes against their own "free trade" talk, and then he goes on bashing Brazil. I don't really know what his point is. What? Exploit people's work is wrong? This is not exclusivity of Brazil, just see illegal immigrants in either US or Europe living in crowded rooms, received a very low pay, no rights whatsoever, being used by greedy business owners, not to mention the cases o violence and rape.

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written by bo, January 25, 2007
This is not exclusivity of Brazil, just see illegal immigrants in either US or Europe



And THAT is the key....ILLEGAL immigrants. Now, I'm not condoning those that take advantage of illegals, I actually hope they start throwing these kind in jail for 15 years, BUT, those ILLEGALS have set themselves up to be taken advantage of, afterall, they are in a country ILLEGALLY!

Quite different than the situation in brazil, where the rich citizens take advantage of the poor citizens. And "take advantage" is really not the correct phrase concerning what the author is talking about, it's basically slave labor and truly unthinkable that it exists to the extent it does in brazil in the year 2007!
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written by A brazilian, January 25, 2007
1 - It's not slave labor
2 - It's no different than the case of illegal immigrants

It's not slave labor because they aren't forced to come to the farm and become property of the farm. People come out of free will seeking for a better life, the same way illegal immigrants go to the US. The fact that the nationality of the immigrant isn't american it doesn't make the act any less heinous.

The other day I was reading a piece from a brazilian journalists that descend from italians, he went there to visit his family. Then he was telling about the exploitation of immigrants, africans and eastern europeans, in the tomato farms there. This is also not right, but you don't see people shouting that "Italy has slave labor".
I would check your facts
written by farm boy, January 25, 2007
"The US government provides some US$ 47 billion a year in direct agricultural subsidies"

"From 1995 to 2003, reports the stalwart Environmental Working Group, that direct subsidies averaged $14.5 billion per year."

92 percent of commodity program spending was paid on five crops -- corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton and rice. The farmers who raise other crops -- two thirds of all farmers -- received little support from current farm programs.

The US farmers would be willing to drop much of the protections except it would have to be able to export its agriculture surplus to other nations. That means that other markets have to open up to US exports
one point missing
written by Joseph, January 25, 2007
Not that I am saying its right, but an important point in keeping US farmers producing food is make sure that in case of a crisis somewhere else in the world or a war, that the US is not dependent (like oil) on foreign countries. With all of the anti-american feelings that arise from time to time, I could see countries using food as a weapon or worse, attacking a weak country (like Brazil) that is supplying the us food to get at the usa. I hate to bring up something so cynical, but creatures like Bush make this a possibility we must consider....
OK, How about SOME reality
written by GTY, January 25, 2007
In Brazil, IT IS modern day slavery, and it can not be denied, Amnesty International has plenty to say about it. Brazilian land workers workers are paid less than the minimum wage (US$350 a month) and have to buy goods from the landowners stores thus becoming indebted, thus slaves, not only agra, but mining as well. No schools, no health care, early death.

In the US, an illegal immigrant is actually a competitive comodity, employers knowing that they do not have to pay benefits and many immigrants are skilled tradesmen pay them much, much more than the US minimum wage, here in Florida, a illegal painter or construction worker might make close to $20.00 an hour cash, In New Orleans they make up to $30.00 an hour! Does this now sound like a fair comparison? Most illegals have decent apartments, their kids are allowed a proper education in US schools, with at least these basics, they are not slaves to their employers as there are many who would hire them so more money. The illegals I know (my wife is a legal Brazilian resident) have familes, shop at the same grocery, late model cars and frequent clubs and other entertainment establishments. I see Brazilain kids at the movies all the time, the teens are driving nice cars the girls are dressed nice. No please, again, someone compare illegal immigration in the US or Europe to the explotation, often racial of the Brazilian slaves in the North and South of your country. What Brazil is doing is shameful and you should be condeming it instead of making excuses and comparisons that are not based in fact.
What a joke...the article !
written by ch.c., January 26, 2007
- At the WTO negotiations are for TRADE and not only Agriculture. Curious how one sided and blind you are....on purpose
- Brazil also has an import tax of 100 % on cars...1 example within many, and this despite that all Local car manufacturers are.....Foreigners anyway.
- I am pretty sure that Farm Boy is right, and that the U.S. subsdies DO NOT AMOUNT TO US$ 47 BILLIONS, however what is true for sugar is that they restrict the imports and have their Sugar14 prices quoted in the Exchange at US cents 20.11 per pound while all the other cane sugars called Sugar 11 is quoted at US cents 10.70 per pound. That also means that the USA DO NOT EXPORT sugar, therefore they dont reduce the world market prices. .
Furthermore......
written by ch.c., January 26, 2007
...to my knowledge COFFEE is also an agricultural product. Correct ?
Therefore why do the warehouses belong to....THE GOVERNMENT ?
And why does the Brazilian government subsidizes their coffee farmers....when the price is LOW ?

And Brazil ALSO subsidized their grain farmers...not later than in 2006 and also in 2005 !

Therefore why are subsidizes offered by other nations UNFAIR, and FAIR when Brazil offer them to their Farmers ?

You cannot be right...BOTH WAYS...by definition !

Why not a word on these subjects and on the perpetual contradictions of Brazil
Finally...on SUGAR ....
written by ch.c., January 26, 2007
...why was the price cut in HALF since last February.... while there was far more demand for sugar cane to ethanol production ?

The simple logic is OVER production....IN BRAZIL.... Because for ethanol production the EU dont uses sugar cane !

And an over production has never made the prices....GO UP !!!!

Therefore Brazil just puts an AUTOGOAL....to itself !!!!
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written by bo, January 26, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-01-25 14:10:42

1 - It's not slave labor
2 - It's no different than the case of illegal immigrants

It's not slave labor because they aren't forced to come to the farm and become property of the farm. People come out of free will seeking for a better life, the same way illegal immigrants go to the US. The fact that the nationality of the immigrant isn't american it doesn't make the act any less heinous.

The other day I was reading a piece from a brazilian journalists that descend from italians, he went there to visit his family. Then he was telling about the exploitation of immigrants, africans and eastern europeans, in the tomato farms there. This is also not right, but you don't see people shouting that "Italy has slave labor".



You're not only a shame to Brazilians, you're a shame to the human race for denying such a heinous reality!

Esses gatos recrutam pessoas em regiões distantes do local da prestação de

serviços ou em pensões localizadas nas cidades próximas. Na primeira abordagem,

mostram-se agradáveis, portadores de boas oportunidades de trabalho. Oferecem serviço

em fazendas, com garantia de salário, de alojamento e comida. Para seduzir o

trabalhador, oferecem “adiantamentos” para a família e garantia de transporte gratuito

até o local do trabalho.

O transporte é realizado por ônibus em péssimas

condições de conservação ou por caminhões improvisados sem

qualquer segurança. Ao chegarem ao local do serviço, são

surpreendidos com situações completamente diferentes das

prometidas. Para começar, o gato lhes informa que já estão

devendo. O adiantamento, o transporte e as despesas com

alimentação na viagem já foram anotados em um “caderno” de

dívidas que ficará de posse do gato. Além disso, o trabalhador

percebe que o custo de todos os instrumentos que precisar para

o trabalho – foices, facões, motosserras, entre outros – também

será anotado no caderno de dívidas, bem como botas, luvas,

chapéus e roupas. Finalmente, despesas com os improvisados

alojamentos e com a precária alimentação serão anotados, tudo

a preço muito acima dos praticados no comércio.

Convém lembrar que as fazendas estão distantes dos

locais de comércio mais próximos4, sendo impossível ao

trabalhador não se submeter totalmente a esse sistema de

“barracão”, imposto pelo gato a mando do fazendeiro ou

diretamente pelo fazendeiro.

Se o trabalhador pensar em ir embora, será impedido

sob a alegação de que está endividado e de que não poderá sair

enquanto não pagar o que deve. Muitas vezes, aqueles que

reclamam das condições ou tentam fugir são vítimas de surras.

No limite, podem perder a vida.



Now, if you can read portugues, check out this report done by brazilians and brazilian organizations concerning slave labor. You'll see it's just a "little" different than our reality-denying friend would like everyone to believe.

http://www.oitbrasil.org.br/do..._final.pdf
But it's Par For the Course!!!
written by bo, January 26, 2007
OK, How about SOME reality
written by GTY, 2007-01-25 18:54:53

In Brazil, IT IS modern day slavery, and it can not be denied, Amnesty International has plenty to say about it. Brazilian land workers workers are paid less than the minimum wage (US$350 a month) and have to buy goods from the landowners stores thus becoming indebted, thus slaves, not only agra, but mining as well. No schools, no health care, early death.

In the US, an illegal immigrant is actually a competitive comodity, employers knowing that they do not have to pay benefits and many immigrants are skilled tradesmen pay them much, much more than the US minimum wage, here in Florida, a illegal painter or construction worker might make close to $20.00 an hour cash, In New Orleans they make up to $30.00 an hour! Does this now sound like a fair comparison? Most illegals have decent apartments, their kids are allowed a proper education in US schools, with at least these basics, they are not slaves to their employers as there are many who would hire them so more money. The illegals I know (my wife is a legal Brazilian resident) have familes, shop at the same grocery, late model cars and frequent clubs and other entertainment establishments. I see Brazilain kids at the movies all the time, the teens are driving nice cars the girls are dressed nice. No please, again, someone compare illegal immigration in the US or Europe to the explotation, often racial of the Brazilian slaves in the North and South of your country. What Brazil is doing is shameful and you should be condeming it instead of making excuses and comparisons that are not based in fact.



GTY, anyone with that knows how to read and has access to a television or radio, knows exactly what you're saying.

It's one of the reasons why I've been saying for some time now that this idiot A Brazilian, firstly, is more than one person, and secondly, is ONLY posting to "get a rise" out of people. Trying to keep the conversation "lively". He/she/they obviously work for this site.
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written by Luca Roma, January 26, 2007
I am Italian and I denounce the shame of slavery of African and Eastern European immigrants in the fields of regions like Puglia and Campania (near Naples) as much as that of poor peasants in Brazil and I applaud anyone, Italians or foreigners, who fight against this modern day slavery in Italy Brazil and whereever else. Those land-owners bastards are criminals, regardless of their nationality. You say it is not slavery? They force you to work for 15 hours a day under the sun for pocket money and if you complain they beat you up ..courtsey of their vigilantes (real thugs). They beat up Italian trade unionists who tried to bring the situation to media attention. Immigrants who protested disappered. Some of their wives were also raped. Italian weelky magazine "L'espresso" wrote hundreds of articles about that.
Bo
written by GTY, January 26, 2007
I think you may be right, I wont read or respond to "A Brazilians" posting any longer.
Luca
written by A brazilian, January 26, 2007
But you don't hear american idiots shouting "ITALY HAS SLAVE LABOR!! ITALY HAS SLAVE LABOR!!". As I said, this site is designed to spread misinformation, they will repeat such things and hide their own problems.

For those that claim that illegal immigrants have a nice life, I think you should get your facts straight. There have been many articles about people that did that, and they say it's not like it.

First the salary is smaller than an american worker would make, there's no such thing of "without tax they can pay more". It's not unusual to have 5 or 6 people dividing one small room for all of them to save more money and it's not unusual cases of violence or people trying to take advantage of them because they have no rights.

I have read an article about a woman that went to germany (or switzerland, I don't remember now). She could barely pay for her survival with the much she made. Cars? Entertainment? Hahahahahahahaha. She lived in a small room she could barely move in. You know what, one day she was offered the "opportunity" of becoming a prostitute, this way she would make more money.

This was the "nice way", that lots of other women that are offered opportunities of jobs there, have their trip paid and when they get there they are forced into prostitution. They become sexual slaves There are many european gangs especialized in human trafficking, I see no difference of this the case cited by author about Brazil. Am I wrong?
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written by A brazilian, January 26, 2007
In the US, an illegal immigrant is actually a competitive comodity, employers knowing that they do not have to pay benefits and many immigrants are skilled tradesmen pay them much, much more than the US minimum wage,...


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Brazilian
written by Luca Roma, January 26, 2007
Yes you are right, Italy like Brazil slaves in Puglia and Campania regions in the South and sex slaves held hostage by Rumenian and Albanian organized crime too in many cities and this is a scandal and should be fought . On the other hand don't get offended for anything which is said about Brazil. I am not saying Brazil is better and worse than any other country but as a country that deeply interests me from an intellectual point of view I think problems should also be addressed and I love the fact that I can find other people here with my interest besiedes some stupid ones who just offend each other. And I think the webmaster of this site should just delete messages with racial slurs or slur word. We can discuss as adults without offending.
Ciao to all!
It's true...A Brazilian
written by GTY, January 26, 2007
If you could do the impossible and get a Visa you could come see it yourself, are you really stupid enough to believe everything you read. The big difference between you and the other posters on this site, is that we can and do freely go where ever we want when ever we want including frequently to Brazil, so instead of reading about the subjects you write about, we have experienced it. Still, your English is pretty good, if you COULD make it north; the Brazilian community in Pompano Beach Florida would make sure you had a good job, help you buy a car, tell you how to get Globo and probably invite you to the endless parties and dinners they enjoy on the weekends. You can say anything you want, but we have so many Brazilians doing so well here, that it really is remarkable. How many people want to live in your country where your intrest rates continue to rise, your protectionism will be death and your dense national pride is a joke...everyone can easily see what Brazil really is and will continue to be...except A Brazilian. I'll continue to enjoy all that Brazil has to offer, but at the end of my vacation or business trip, I thank God I get to come home, and pray to God for those of you that have to stay there. For you Brazilians are the king of complainers and have forever lacked the courage (desire) to really make Brazil a better place for all Brazilians.
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written by jabmalassie, January 26, 2007
Who operates this site.??

A Brazilian
written by GTY, January 27, 2007
This was just on the wire...where is worse Rio...or Bagdad?

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The youths appeared to be the latest victims of a long-running drug war that has made Rio, which depends heavily on tourism, one of the most violent cities in the world.

Police said the victims were on their way to play soccer when armed gang members, possibly choosing them at random, stopped the minibus they were traveling in, dragged them from the vehicle and forced them to a nearby shantytown.

Luca Roma … What A Shame!
written by Costinha, January 27, 2007
Vaffanculo, Ti metto il cazzo in culo e te lo faccio uscire dalla e scopa tua mama, Culatun!
The Great Turd Yankee - GTY
written by Costinha, January 27, 2007
You lose arguments with inanimate objects. Don't you need a license to be that stupid?
Who operates this site.??
written by Costinha, January 27, 2007
The CIA.
Question???
written by Costinha, January 27, 2007
What is the last count of stiff faggot marines in Iraq?
GTY, get a clue
written by A brazilian, January 27, 2007
Still, your English is pretty good, if you COULD make it north


Do you think I learned english only by typing in forums like these? Hehe.

the Brazilian community in Pompano Beach Florida would make sure you had a good job


I will have to pass, because fliping burgers, cleaning houses and working in civil construction is not exactly my idea of a career. I received good education, anything less than a well paid intellectual job is a shame.

How many people want to live in your country where your intrest rates continue to rise, your protectionism will be death and your dense national pride is a joke...


I think those are the only things you think you know about Brazil by reading this crappy forum, and you probably know even less about the implications of things you think you know.

You are fooling yourself into thinking the life of illegals is good. This is organized crime we are talking about, how do you think the people manage to get in to begin with? They pay criminals. It's not only the risk of the trip, they must pay back the service, just like a mafia, paying part of what they gain. Or else who knows what's going to happen.

Businesses in the US profit by exploring these people, or else why would they risk to employ illegals!? They have zero rights, if the employer says it's going to pay X and pay less who the person is going to complain to? There will always be another starving marvin to take his place if wants to go away. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, if you are ignorant about the subject try reasearching it.

A lot of people I know and I, that have some experience abroad, would tell that they prefer Brazil for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is racism, but there are others such as economic reasons (brazilians and latin americans are regarded as "cheap labor", american employers will try to exploit them, and usually the jobs are the crappiest, the kind of job americans themselves don't want to do).
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written by A brazilian, January 27, 2007
BTW, are learning the Google-argument style of Bo? Hahaha. So are you going to start copying and pasting bad news in here to make a point about Brazil? Good luck, loser.
real life experience
written by A brazilian, January 27, 2007
I have a coworker whose parents went to the US and lived there most of his life. He came back to Brazil after he was grown up!!! He said to me that the US is too racist and he wouldn't live there.

Only americans think that s**thole is place everyone wants to go to. The only people that seems happy to go there are unskilled workers for working as toilet cleaners, save some money, and then come back.
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written by bo, January 27, 2007
ou are fooling yourself into thinking the life of illegals is good. This is organized crime we are talking about, how do you think the people manage to get in to begin with? They pay criminals



You got that right, they pay CRIMINALS in BRAZIL!! Governador do Valadares has approximately 800 businesses or people "working" as human smugglers!! And the police there KNOW who these people are, but naturally their receiving payoffs so they just look the other way!!

Brazil, as well as Mexico, and all the other countries that have large populations of ILLEGALS in the U.S. need to pay the consequences! A nice little economic embargo would do the trick real fast!! They already started to build the wall in Arizona by the way.
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written by bo, January 27, 2007
As I said, this site is designed to spread misinformation,




LOL....can you show us this "misinformation"??
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written by bo, January 27, 2007
written by jabmalassie, 2007-01-26 16:58:47

Who operates this site.??



A brazilian guy in California.
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written by bo, January 27, 2007
You can say anything you want, but we have so many Brazilians doing so well here, that it really is remarkable. How many people want to live in your country where your intrest rates continue to rise, your protectionism will be death and your dense national pride is a joke...everyone can easily see what Brazil really is and will continue to be...except A Brazilian. I'll continue to enjoy all that Brazil has to offer, but at the end of my vacation or business trip, I thank God I get to come home, and pray to God for those of you that have to stay there. For you Brazilians are the king of complainers and have forever lacked the courage (desire) to really make Brazil a better place for all Brazilians.



That post was "on the money"!


A lot of people I know and I, that have some experience abroad, would tell that they prefer Brazil for a variety of reasons. One of the reasons is racism, but there are others such as economic reasons



LMAO!!! Yeah, people are breaking down the door to live in brazil illegally to make 150 dollars per month!!

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written by bo, January 27, 2007
BTW, are learning the Google-argument style of Bo? Hahaha. So are you going to start copying and pasting bad news in here to make a point about Brazil? Good luck, loser.



Good luck??? Well, one thing is for sure, he certainly won't have to look very hard to find daily, apalling, stories that take place in this murderous land where the very soul of it has been corrupted.
A Brazilian
written by GTY, January 27, 2007
I've got it! Your a friggin gringo trying to make like you are a Brazilian for some very strange reason. Geez, what a knuklehead. I won't respond to any more of your "wanna be" Brazilian posts, I hope others don't as well.

Get a life...
GTY
written by A brazilian, January 27, 2007
I am 100% brazilian.
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written by A brazilian, January 27, 2007
LMAO!!! Yeah, people are breaking down the door to live in brazil illegally to make 150 dollars per month!!


Only very poor people make that per month. Skilled workers make much more and they prefer to stay here.
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written by Ric, January 28, 2007
This past week in the south of the state of Pará the police invaded three farms and set about 50 indentured workers free. At one farm the men had not been paid since September, owed the Company Store more than they ever could pay back, lived in subhuman conditions, and were not receiving FICA benefits(carteira profissional assinada com pgmto de INSS, FGTS, PIS/Pasep etc.). I hate it, I don´t enjoy relating it, but denying it just plays into the hands of the owners. Tem que tocar o tombone. They leave at their own peril, armed gunmen (like cangaçeiros) will shoot ém dead. Where do you think the Fila Brasileira dog breed got its start?
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written by Ric, January 28, 2007
Ou seja, Trombone....
Brazilian
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
Your 100% bulls**t!
GTY
written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
Hahahahaha. Why? Just because I think toilet cleaner isn't a good enough job for me? Hahahahahaha. Typical american idiot, they think everyone wants to go there to be treated like a sub-race by them.
Ric
written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
Have you read the thread? Nobody is denying anything, they are just citing cases of slave-like conditions either in Europe or in the US. The only difference is that americans don't want to admit that illegal immigrants are exploited, and when they DO admit it then they say that's not bad because they aren't americans (sic).
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written by Ric, January 28, 2007
Of course illegal aliens are exploited in the states. They are exploited by the people that guide them across the border, they are exploited by rich people who hire them below the minimum wage, the field hands pay too much for tacos and lunches from the lunch trucks, too much for clothing from the itinerant sales people. They don´t report being stolen from for fear of being deported. Some of those exploiting them are gringo employers but mostly they are exploited by their own people. But they can always go back to Mexico.

On the other hand, Brazilian indentured bondslaves are held captive in their own country by their own people, usually people of a lighter skin color, as "Coroneis" from SP or PR. Chilled me to the bone one time, on a ranch owned by a Coronel Catarinense, I told him that a certain worker, Cearense, had stolen the battery out of my truck which had been parked at his ranch. He said, "yeah, he stole my water pump a couple of months ago....should of had him killed then....". Rolled out of his mouth like the most normal thing to say....no big deal. If you think I´m making this up, I feel sorry for you.
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written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
So you are saying that mexicans being killed and exploited in the US is not bad but brazilians suffering the same thing is bad? Wow.
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written by cold front, January 28, 2007
COSTINAH! you are a impotent third world clown!! your rock throwing at the u.s. is hilarious , a south american blow hard midget foaming monkey...
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written by bo, January 28, 2007
Only very poor people make that per month. Skilled workers make much more and they prefer to stay here.


And you act as if that, the very poor, is such a small percentage of your population. 40 million brazilians don't even make minimum wage!!! But LESS THAN 2 dollas per day!!
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written by bo, January 28, 2007
So you are saying that mexicans being killed and exploited in the US is not bad but brazilians suffering the same thing is bad? Wow.



Sorry to tell ya bud, and I'm sure you already know what I'm about to say but you would love to deny the reality, but illegal immigrants in the U.S. aren't FORCED to do anything, they can LEAVE their job at any time, as well as the country if they like, and certainly are NOT beat, threatened, or killed by their employers, as is done to BRAZILIANS in "slave labor" situations, people that were BORN in brazil, brazilian citizens, in their very own homeland by their very own fellow countrymen!! They're only crime they committed is that they were born into poverty!

I'll tell a story from my day yesterday. I frequent a restaurant here in my city, nice restaurant, there are actually numerous of them throughout the northeast, they are based in Recife, the name of the restaurant is Ferreiro Boteca. I know everyone that works there as I'm a regular customer. I know all the bartenders, the waiters, and the managers, and have a good rapport with all of them. Matter of fact this last X-mas I gave all of the waiters there a hat, I collect hats, ballhats, which I began purchasing in the U.S. many years ago and purchase at least 10-20 on every trip I make, I literally have hundreds of them, all different kinds, from sports teams to different types of beer, etc. All of the people that work in this restaurant they have brought to work at Ferreiro Boteca in my city from Recife.

I was at the restaurant with a potential investor in our projects here from Belgium, he is also a friend. He was talking to me about the cultural differences here in brazil and europe, the U.S. etc. He began asking questions about people that work in brazil, how much money they make, their work environment, etc. And I told him about many types of jobs that I'm familiar with here in brazil, from people that I know that hold these types of jobs, many make very good money, and many don't. But I wanted him to know about a type of "mindset", or "ideology" that exists here in brazil, at least in the northeast, in respect to those that don't hold very high paying jobs. He understands and speaks some portuguese so I did the following.

I called over one of the waiters that I always converse with there and asked him if he could sit down and talk for a minute, he said he couldn't sit down but could stand by our table and converse for a few minutes. So I asked him if he could tell us a little about his job, the type of money he makes, the hours, as well as the benefits, also, how he is treated, not only by his bosses but also by the customers. I already knew what his answers were going to be but I wanted my friend to hear them straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

He said on a good month he makes around 900 reais per month, which is around 400 dollars, but he also works at least 6 days a week at around 60 hours per week. He said that the management at the restaurant treat them well, as equals, but the clientele is another story. This restaurant is frequented by many types, middle class and above, but almost any day of the week for lunch, or in the evening, its not unusual to see the governor, the ex-governor, the mayor, the ex-mayor, senators and dep**adas dining and drinking at this restaurant along with the "social elites" in my city. He said that the vast majority of the time, especially in respect to the politicians, people of status, or wealth, that they are not treated with respect whatsoever. That these types of people don't request anything, they order it, as well as them, in other words, you don't have someone requesting, "I would like.......please", or "could you get me.......please.", instead they say, "I want this...", "Get me that..." etc. Also, he said that when many enter the restaurant and he greets them saying, "bom dia, boa tarde", etc, that most of the time these people don't even respond, they act as if they are not there. In summation, I asked him if he felt that these type of people, in which according to him were the vast majority that frequents this restaurant, treats him as being "equal"....he laughed. And then went on to say many things, using words like "preconceito" (prejudice) and "racista" (racism).
Mexicans killed??
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
More anti-American propaganda. Sure people die trying to get into the US ILLEGALLY; more now that the traditional sites are more difficult to cross and many try and make it through the desert. But those that die, die at the hands of other Mexican's, Coyotes, human trafficers, many are women and children who are raped. Many perish in the desert because they lose there way and do not have proper provisons, but none are killed by American law enforcement and certainly not employers. I would also argue about explotation; any immigrant is free to leave a job without fear, or return home. As hard at it may be to believe, illegal immigrants are protected under labor laws, low wage jobs like "flippin burgers" or working at Walmart are taken by poor Americans, as the large compaines do not dare use illegal help. Yes, some may get a start by cleaning houses or toliets (a job ridiculed by the elite and educated "A Brazilian" who is a true racists and typical of white Brazil), we pay a Brazilian to clean our home once a week, $100 each time, most do 4 or 5 homes a day, 5 or 6 days a week...you do the math. Many of my succesful Brazilian friends stared as house cleaners, car washers or painters and now own their own business and homes. Now compare the with Brazils poor and their lot in life and their chance to improve it. Do their kids recieved a good education in a government school, are they guarenteed health care, well at least GOOD health care, can they leave their employer for better conditions? Do they drive late model cars? Give me a break, Brazil should be ashamed of the way they treat their OWN people...the former poster mentions Mexicans, but we treat our poor as humans...even the ones that are NOT Americans. This is the greatest country on the face of the earth, thats why tens of millions continue to reside and work here illegaly, not the s**tholes they all come from...including the s**thole of Brazil. I fo one am for a general amnesty, my thoughts are, that if people have the courage to leave their horrible tragic lives in Brazil, in fact now risk their lives to come, these are exactly the new citizens we want, we will be better for it, while Brazil will continue to lose it's educated and bright middle class, the only chance they have of turning around teir pathic country that continues to sink into oblivion while other South and Latin American countries make strides toward improving thier situations and standing in the world. Like France, Brazil has become irrelevant, even in the region they once dominated.
The American Profile
written by Costinha, January 28, 2007
About 99% of the american population is UGLY, FAT, STUPID, GREEDY, SELFISH, OPINIONED and foremost, ARROGANT.

Good Day…
cold front
written by Costinha, January 28, 2007
You wrote...

"COSTINAH! you are a impotent third world clown!! your rock throwing at the u.s. is hilarious , a south american blow hard midget foaming monkey..."

Hehehe....That's Me Baby. At least I can write and insult you in your language! How about the converse?


Hehehe...... (.....o.....) pooooooooof.


hehehe
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written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
He said that the vast majority of the time, especially in respect to the politicians, people of status, or wealth, that they are not treated with respect whatsoever


Hhahahahahahah. And how it would be different from any other country. Do the filthy rich have great talks with the peasants in the US!? Hahahahahahaha Your little story is nothing more than rich people treating poor people like crap, which is common anywhere because rich tend to think they are better.
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written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
...cleaning houses or toliets (a job ridiculed by the elite and educated "A Brazilian" who is a true racists and typical of white Brazil...


I ridicule it because it shows exactly the position of the immigrant in the american society, a low paying job on some kind of manual labor. This is their role in your society.

Now compare the with Brazils poor and their lot in life and their chance to improve it.


They wouldn't bother cleaning people's houses in Brazil because they want to show off some status in here. Nothing prevents people from improving their lives, but going abroad is a good excuse to make jobs they wouldn't do in Brazil because they think it would humiliating.

The same kind of people eats less for "saving money", share the same small rooms with many others to save the rent, live under conditions they wouldn't accept in Brazil. If they needed to live like that in Brazil they would be blaming everyone, the government, the society, but trying to improve.

Give me a break, Brazil should be ashamed of the way they treat their OWN people...the former poster mentions Mexicans, but we treat our poor as humans...even the ones that are NOT Americans.


I don't understand why this double standard. Why is it ok for mexicans to be killed? American business exploit these people, they live under terrible conditions. It's not only in the US but in Europe.

Nobody cares about them, you don't treat them like humans you just pretend they don't exist while some greedy bastard takes advantage of them. I have seen many reports of real people that were to the US to do the exact same thing you are saying. The ones that have still some dignity talk about the bad conditions and how it's not like they thought it would be.

This is the greatest country on the face of the earth, thats why tens of millions continue to reside and work here illegaly, not the s**tholes they all come from...


And many others come back because they can't stand the racism and exploitation. You don't realized many of the unskilled workers send billions of dollars back home and their goal is to save money and come back to buy a house or open a business.

Nobody goes to the US for any ideology. they just go for the money and come back. And some are fooled, killed, exploited, etc in the process.

while Brazil will continue to lose it's educated and bright middle class


huh? Educated middle class? Hahahahahahahahah. If they were bright and educated they would have a nice job, or at least the perspective of getting some. You are also confusing Brazil with Mexico. Mexico is the whose majority of the immigrants is from.

The people that go there are just starving marvins, not brilliant people. Hahahahahahahahahaha They would give good construction workers!!! hahahahaha

Meanwhile all the bright and educated brazilians are in Brazil improving their lives.

Like France, Brazil has become irrelevant, even in the region they once dominated.


Huh!?
Brazilian middle class
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
Wow, $R3,000 to be considered middle class in Brazil thats styling! There are many tens of thousands Brazilians educated in Brazil as engineers or scientists doing construction or other labor in the US because they can make more money doing so, be safer and rasie their and educate their familes without the fear of being hit by s stray bullet or unable to get quality health care or education. These people end up immigrating and getiing great jobs with large companies becuase they are talented and driven people. Even the lowest on the US economic scale bear zero compairson to the poverty and utter hoplessness Brazilians and other Latin American citizens live in. Again, we are talking about OTHER peoples citizens we take care of in the US, but Brazil can't take care of her own poor...that;s why they leave. Shame, shame shame...I love visting and traveling in Brazil, but there is one thing that is clear to any one who lives in a DEVELOPED country that matters, Brazil is and always will be a s**t hole, committed to it's desitiny to always being in the 3rd World. Yes, we will continue to expolit you economicaly and we will continue to expolit your citizens that come here...thank you very much for sending them allowing us to do so, OK I will admit, they do take most jobs that proud American's would never do. Really, if you really think about it...what can you really do about it. We are the US...and YOU are Brazil. Looks like you got the bad break in life.

A proud and AROGANT American.
Hey!
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
Hey! I just exploited a Brazilian! Hired him to tile my pool and drive way. Shame on me! His daughter was in the pickup...geez, might just expolit her too.
GTY
written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
It doesn't matter what you say, there are numerous examples otherwise. How could a man that was born in abject poverty become the president of this country if there was no way of improvement? You are a joke, a bad one.

Wow, $R3,000 to be considered middle class in Brazil thats styling! There are many tens of thousands Brazilians educated in Brazil as engineers or scientists doing construction or other labor in the US because they can make more money doing so


I would say people can make considerably more than that. This is like a money from internship while attending college.

Even the lowest on the US economic scale bear zero compairson to the poverty and utter hoplessness Brazilians and other Latin American citizens live in.


I think you have absolutely no data to say such thing.

Again, we are talking about OTHER peoples citizens we take care of in the US, but Brazil can't take care of her own poor...that;s why they leave.


Who take care of who? Brazilinas had and still has many immigrants. The kind of illegal immigrant that comes to Brazil that would look like mexicans in the US are bolivians. They come to work on sweatshops, usually making lower than a brazilian would make (just like mexicans in the US).

Guess what!? Such conditions are denounced as slave-like labor. BUT the exact same thing is not in the US (workers with zero rights, sharing room with many others, sleeping in turns because of the lack of space, inadequate diet, violence and exploitation).

OK I will admit, they do take most jobs that proud American's would never do. Really, if you really think about it...


I think the mask has finally fallen. The people that go to the US are complete idiots, period. No intelligent person would EVER accept such things because they know they can much more by their own means! They aren't hopeless, they are simply stupid.

In order for this racism to work you must inflate the capacity of the people that go there in order for them to look "the best" of what brazilian can. The truth they are at the very bottom of the brazilian society. They would probably do the same jobs in here because they can't any better, they simply lack the capacity.
You make my point
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
You are right, only in the third world could "a man born into abject poverty" and a grade school drop out become President? Are you sincerely proud of that? In the Developed world it really is some what of a big joke. It's like electing Santa Claus President. Now don't go off on a Bush rant...he is an idiot too, be it and educated rich idot. But the Brazilian economy is headed for a train wreck, while other Latin American leftists have admirably turned their economies around and are helping their poor.
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written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
You are right, only in the third world could "a man born into abject poverty" ...


Hahahahaha. You may not like him, but his success is evidence that people can improve in life.

while other Latin American leftists have admirably turned their economies around and are helping their poor.


Like who?
Improved Life
written by GTY, January 28, 2007
Do Chavez, Ortega and Morales ring a bell? Geez, I thought you might have a brain. Being from the US I am no fan of Socialism, but at least these leaders have been true to their ideology and taken bold steps that are at least sincere efforts to help the less fortunate of their respective countries. Lula on the other hand has governed in the ineffective middle, trying to do just enough to enjoy Areo Lula and long vacations in resorts he otherwise would never have had an opportunity to visit, and while interest rates continue to rocket he is making a panicked attempt in Davos right now to get a trade deal...one that will surely sell Brazil down the river...again. Your neighbors in Argentina have seem 9% growth in their GDP, your has been anemic. In fact, Standards & Poor now rates Argentina higher than Brazil for investment risk. You are a true Koolaide drinker. Lula has proved himself nothing more than the typical Brazilian male, all bark, no bite. A no balls males continue to be the death of Brazilian just like the rest of you.
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written by bo, January 28, 2007
old front
written by Costinha, 2007-01-28 13:30:24

You wrote...

"COSTINAH! you are a impotent third world clown!! your rock throwing at the u.s. is hilarious , a south american blow hard midget foaming monkey..."

Hehehe....That's Me Baby. At least I can write and insult you in your language! How about the converse?




How about the converse??? LMAO!!! You stupid idiot!!!

Try, "how about the opposite, or how about to the contrary?"
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written by bo, January 28, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-01-28 14:33:16

He said that the vast majority of the time, especially in respect to the politicians, people of status, or wealth, that they are not treated with respect whatsoever



Hhahahahahahah. And how it would be different from any other country. Do the filthy rich have great talks with the peasants in the US!? Hahahahahahaha Your little story is nothing more than rich people treating poor people like crap, which is common anywhere because rich tend to think they are better.



And this is exactly the difference in Brazil and the U.S.!!! We don't have nor classify people as PEASANTS!!! Certainly not waiters or waitresses in restaurants!!

And, even the richest of the rich americans, which, put wealthy and powerful brazilians to shame in respect to money and power, do not treat people as "less than"!!! But they certainly do here!!!
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written by bo, January 28, 2007
I don't understand why this double standard. Why is it ok for mexicans to be killed? American business exploit these people, they live under terrible conditions. It's not only in the US but in Europe.

Nobody cares about them, you don't treat them like humans you just pretend they don't exist while some greedy bastard takes advantage of them. I have seen many reports of real people that were to the US to do the exact same thing you are saying. The ones that have still some dignity talk about the bad conditions and how it's not like they thought it would be.


Well, I guess I'm talking to "A Brazilian #1", because your spelling and grammar are back to being s**t, lol.

Buddy, you are the biggest waste of human flesh I've ever seen....you Sir, are a PIECE OF s**t!!

EVERYTHING you said about illegals in the U.S. not only isn't TRUE, but that is EXACTLY THE SITAUTION OF POOR PEOPLE IN BRAZIL!!!!
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written by A brazilian, January 28, 2007
my typical response...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....I'M AN IDIOT, I'M A FOOL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM, THERE IS NO CRIME NOR POVERTY IN BRAZIL. ALL BRAZILIANS IN THE U.S. ARE POOR AND STUPID OR ELSE THEY WOULD BE MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS IN BRAZIL.......




DUMBASS!!
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
I would say people can make considerably more than that. This is like a money from internship while attending college.



3,000 REAIS INTERNSHIP?????? Name one you lying piece of human trash!!!

In the VAST majority of brazil, if someone makes 3,000 reais per month, he is doing better than the VAST majority of the rest of the people in his country!!!

Afterall, the MEDIAN income per capita in brazil is 5,000 dollars per YEAR.....that comes out to about 950 reais per MONTH!!!
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
The kind of illegal immigrant that comes to Brazil that would look like mexicans in the US are bolivians. They come to work on sweatshops, usually making lower than a brazilian would make (just like mexicans in the US).



What???? Illegal immigrants in brazil?????? Yeah, they're beating down the f**king doors.....what a f**king moron!
This is great!
written by GTY, January 29, 2007
Illegal immigrants coming to Brazil! I laughed so hard I almost s**t my pants. God, what poor sons of bitches they must be to have to work illegaly in Brazil. A college intern making R$3,000? Again, not a clue, that's why I don't think "A Brazilian" is A BRAZILIAN" if he really is he never read a paper or watched the news. Over 50% of Brazil lives on the minimum wage, about $160.00 a month, so that's something to be proud of? Half of a country that are poorer than dirt, uneducated idiots! Wonder why Brazil has the highest per capita murder rate in the WORLD? A worse income disparity than Samolia. These are the simple truths. This is a society in complete chaos! It would be almost funny to watch if it wern't so f**king tragic. Actually, even though it is tragic, the laughs I get from reading the Brazilian news is worth it. Even my Brazilian wife laughs at your lot now that she has lived in the states for 20 years. We both read the news in Brazil for pure entertainment value only with no hope things will ever get better there.
Lobby
written by guestt, January 29, 2007
Lobby: Suspected sources raise questions on humanitarian organization’s actions.

In order to spread what he understands by “democracy”, the American president George W. Bush not only invaded Iraq in 2003 and supported Israel in the recent slaughtering in Lebanon, but also would be using non-profit organizations (NOGs), frequently infiltrated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), to influence the political scenario worldwide. NOGs such as the American Freedom House accept gratefully economic aid by the US government to accomplish secret activities.

And foreign NGOs, such as Reporters San Frontiérs (RSF), with headquarters in Paris, also fed, mostly, with Washington dollars, would be behind the campaigns to overthrow Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, and Fidel Castro – or at least the structure he built – in Cuba. That is what the American journalists Diana Barahona and Jeb Sprage alleges in an article published on August, 6 by Réseau Voltaire, NGO based in Paris.

But the NGOs’ caixa 2 is not only fed with Washington dollars. Another part is from Soros Foundation, from investor George Soros. In 2004, this foundation directed 1,2 million to NGOs produce “election related projects” in Ukraine, in favor of the so called Orange Revolution from Viktor Yuschenko, says the British historian Timothy Garton Ash. This makes sense, at least from Soros’ viewpoint, with East European origins himself: Yushenko is pro- market and pro-Occident.

We don’t know, however, how this generous amount expended by Soros was distributed. Like the investor, between 2002 and 2004, the Bush administration invested 65 million dollars in NGOs linked to Yushenko movement. On the other hand the Russian government donated 200 million dollars to the pro-Russia candidate in Ukraine.

There are other American lobbies financing NGOs. It is not needed, for example, to detail who finances the Iran-Syria Operations Group besides the Department of State of United States.

It is no secret that the “spy community is being encouraged in getting more involved in the US projects to promote democratic governments” wrote Guy Dinmore, from the British daily Financial Times. And the promotion of this supposed democratization should occur in a global level. In a conference held in Washington about the subject in June, 2006, John Negroponte, director of intelligence of the USA, intended to assess how better construct a global democracy. To the encounter attended academics, experts of highly regarded think thanks and spies (from academies of shrewd thinkers and intelligent services) from USA and Europe.

On this context one fact draws the attention: How Reporters without Borders , NGO founded 2 decades ago in Paris to advocate for threaten journalists, accepts grants from American NGOs? Lucille Morillon, executive director of National Endowment for Democracy (NED) admits that the International Republican Institute (IRI), a satellite Non Government Organization of NED, subsidized RSF (french acronym the Reporters without Boarders) for 3 years.

According to the New York Times, the IRI had an essential role in the coupe d’état against Aristede overthrown, ex-president of Haiti, and in the attempts to overthrow Hugo Chaves. The New York Times explains: “The president Bush picked as its president (of IRI) Lorne W. Craner, to run his administration’s democracy-building efforts. The institute, which works in more than 60 countries, has seen its federal financing nearly triple in 3 years, from $26 million in 2003 to $75 million in 2005. Last spring, at an I.R.I. fund-raiser, Mr. Bush called democracy-building 'a growth industry." (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006)

Obs: President of Ukraine Victor Yushchenko had half face paralyzed by food poisoning during 2004 election campaign and Assassinated Lebanese Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel, a scion of one of Lebanon's most prominent Christian political dynasties, was assassinated in November, 2006.
Reporters Without Borders and Washington's Coups
written by guestt, January 29, 2007
By DIANA BARAHONA and JEB SPRAGUE

British press baron Lord Northcliff said, "News is something that someone, somewhere wants to keep secret, everything else is advertising." If this is true, then U.S. government funding of Reporters Without Borders must be news, because the organization and its friends in Washington have gone to extraordinary lengths to cover it up. In spite of 14 months of stonewalling by the National Endowment for Democracy over a Freedom of Information Act request and a flat denial from RSF executive director Lucie Morillon, the NED has revealed that Reporters Without Borders received grants over at least three years from the International Republican Institute.

The NED still refuses to provide the requested documents or even reveal the grant amounts, but they are identified by these numbers: IRI 2002-022/7270, IRI 2003-027/7470 and IRI 2004-035/7473. Investigative reporter Jeremy Bigwood asked Morillon on April 25 if her group was getting any money from the I.R.I., and she denied it, but the existence of the grants was confirmed by NED assistant to the president, Patrick Thomas.

The discovery of the grants reveals a major deception by the group, which for years denied it was getting any Washington dollars until some relatively small grants from the NED and the Center for a Free Cuba were revealed (see Counterpunch: "Reporters Without Borders Unmasked"). When asked to account for its large income RSF has claimed the money came from the sale of books of photographs. But researcher Salim Lamrani has pointed out the improbability of this claim. Even taking into account that the books are published for free, it would have had to sell 170 200 books in 2004 and 188 400 books in 2005 to earn the more than $2 million the organization claims to make each year ­ 516 books per day in 2005. The money clearly had to come from other sources, as it turns out it did.

The I.R.I., an arm of the Republican Party, specializes in meddling in elections in foreign countries, as a look at NED annual reports and the I.R.I. website shows. It is one of the four core grantees of the NED, the organization founded by Congress under the Reagan administration in 1983 to replace the CIA's civil society covert action programs, which had been devastated by exposure by the Church committee in the mid-1970s (Ignatius, 1991). The other three pillars of the NED are the National Democratic Institute (the Democratic Party), the Solidarity Center (AFL-CIO) and the Center for International Private Enterprise (U.S. Chamber of Commerce). But of all the groups the I.R.I. is closest to the Bush administration, according to a recent piece in The New York Times exposing its role in the overthrow of Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide:

"President Bush picked its president, Lorne W. Craner, to run his administration's democracy-building efforts. The institute, which works in more than 60 countries, has seen its federal financing nearly triple in three years, from $26 million in 2003 to $75 million in 2005. Last spring, at an I.R.I. fund-raiser, Mr. Bush called democracy-building 'a growth industry.'" (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006)

Funding from the I.R.I. presents a major problem for RSF's credibility as a "press freedom" organization because the group manufactured propaganda against the popular democratic governments of Venezuela and Haiti at the same time that its patron, the I.R.I., was deeply involved in efforts to overthrow them. The I.R.I. funded the Venezuelan opposition to President Hugo Chavez (Barry, 2005) and actively organized Haitian opposition to Aristide in conjunction with the CIA (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006).

The man who links RSF to these activities is Otto Reich, who worked on the coups first as assistant secretary of state for Latin American affairs, and, after Nov. 2002, as a special envoy to Latin America on the National Security Council. Besides being a trustee of the government-funded Center for a Free Cuba, which gives RSF $50,000 a year, Reich has worked since the early 1980's with the I.R.I.'s senior vice president, Georges Fauriol, another member of the Center for a Free Cuba. But it is Reich's experience in propaganda that is especially relevant. In the 1980's he was caught up in investigations into the Reagan administration's illegal war on the Sandinistas. The comptroller general determined in 1987 that Reich's Office of Public Diplomacy had "engaged in prohibited covert propaganda activities." (Bogdanich and Nordberg, 2006). In early 2002, once George Bush had given him a recess appointment to the State Department, "Reich was soon tasked to orchestrate a massive international media defamation campaign against Chávez that has continued until this day" (Conkling and Goble, 2004).

http://www.counterpunch.org/barahona08012006.html
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
I think the readers here are capable of identifying the bo-tard using my my nickname for posting hate messages.

Over 50% of Brazil lives on the minimum wage, about $160.00 a month, so that's something to be proud of?


What one thing has to do with another? How a skilled worker would be influenced by that? I am definetely not the highest paid individual in my profession, but the salaries are higher than 3000 for sure. But you would need to live here to know that, and everything else as a matter of fact.

Yes, the sad reality is that you know nothing about Brazil.

Wonder why Brazil has the highest per capita murder rate in the WORLD? A worse income disparity than Samolia.


You are right, because Samolia doesn't exist to begin with. smilies/smiley.gif

I think you meant Somalia, and yes the difference is that in Brazil some can have a nice life, in Somalia they are all screwed so the gap between riches and poors is much smaller.

This is a society in complete chaos!


Yet we managed to achieve what americans can only dream of. People from different origins living together without hating each other.

Besides, everyone that actually live in Brazil knows it's not chaotic, problemas are concentrated in some big capitals such as Rio and São Paulo. It's good to note that the quantity of "favelas" diminished in the whole country, with the exception of Rio and Porto Alegre.

. Actually, even though it is tragic, the laughs I get from reading the Brazilian news is worth it.


You don't have much of a life, do you? I think any human being has lots of things to do in their lives, like work, study, family. You spend your time reading brazilians news and laughing at it? Hahahahahahahahaha.
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
What???? Illegal immigrants in brazil?????? Yeah, they're beating down the f**king doors.....what a f**king moron!


Research about illegal bolivians in Brazil. Unlike some american a*****e that uses the sad fact of people being exploited and living badly as something to be proud of, I think they should come legally in order to have their working rights guaranteed.
A proud and AROGANT American?
written by Costinha, January 29, 2007
GTY (The Great Turd Yankee) - May I call you "Al-Qaeda Walking target?" Hehehehe.......Poooof! Another american bottom dweller bites the dust.

BO (Body Odor) - Your verbosity is exceeded only by your stupidity. Your gene pool could use a little chlorine. Hehehe

How about it, insult me in Portuguese. Conversely, I may easily insult your Opie white ass in Ingris....Hehehehe!

F.U.C.K. you both.

Truly yours,

Costinha


Long Live Osama!


USA – An Imperial Empire
written by Bill Hauser, January 29, 2007
The United States is an ancient Rome with nukes. Frightening to say the least, to know that an irresponsible nation possesses weapons of mass destruction lead by the clown George W. Bush.

America’s foreign policy is invading nations or killing their leaders for disagreeing with them. A real state sponsored terrorism. Americans claim to be the fount of goodness but they refuse to do anything to help poor countries. Indeed, over the last few decades America have introduced policies which have directly led to the deaths of millions of innocent people around the world. America's idea of diplomacy is to carpet bomb countries which upset America. Americans deny basic human rights to whole countries and then arrogantly claim that they know best.

Virtually every day there are reports of American hypocrisy. America insists that developing countries have properly supervised elections and yet they themselves conduct a presidential election which is decided when the so-called Supreme Court arbitrarily decides not to recount votes which would almost certainly have changed the result of the election.

A headline in an American newspaper ran: 'All Nations on Earth Sign Global Warming Agreement. USA Refuses.' And still they wonder why everyone loathes and despises them. This board is typical of the American attitude, simply rogue.

Today, I am ashamed to say that I am American!
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written by Ric, January 29, 2007
Well, Bill, start a campaign to re-elect Jimmy Carter!
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
I am definetely not the highest paid individual in my profession, but the salaries are higher than 3000 for sure.



You weren't talking about the "highest salaries" bozo, you said that brazilians working as "interns" make 3.000 reais per month, as if this is "normal"....yet another complete and utter LIE!
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
Yet we managed to achieve what americans can only dream of. People from different origins living together without hating each other.



Yeah, only killing each other, and every now and then, dismembering them.
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written by bo, January 29, 2007
Research about illegal bolivians in Brazil. Unlike some american a*****e that uses the sad fact of people being exploited and living badly as something to be proud of, I think they should come legally in order to have their working rights guaranteed.


What the hell do you think has been going on in the U.S. over the last two years??? Why do you think brazilians now have to have a visa to go to Mexico??

Because we want these people that are flooding into our country to come LEGALLY. But the law is something that is certainly not VALUED nor RESPECTED in brazil. It's one big reason that many brazilians, as well as other illegals, have a lot of problems in the U.S., because the law is not only respected there, it's actually enforced!!
Good to remember
written by GTY, January 29, 2007
It's a good thing to remember that we possess nukes, to bad we have restrained from using one or 2, then there might be a entire new perception of our will and a much different out come of the war. In WWII we bombed German cities on a regular basis and finally dropped the nuke on Japan, funny how that made people wake up and end a war. I miss the days when we knew what it would take to win a war. It's not true that we don't help poor countries, in fact we provide more aide to Africa for aids and other countries for food than any other, we also keep the lights on with our payments to the laughable UN, poor countries do not help themselves. Instead they prefer to slip back to the 18th century by impowering Mullahs and implementing Islamic law. Isn't it ironic that they poorest most backwater countries in the world are Muslim ones? Islam is a religon of lies and hate, Muslims are morally week and what the hell, why not blow themselves up, what do they really have to live for anyway? A few goats and an abilty to abuse women and children and a chance to get a few Virgins in the hereafter, give me a break what dribble.. All you European countries, especialy France and England with your large, poor and Islamic educated Muslim populations, you will pay a terrible price, will you step up then? Or concede your democracy to them? We not only have the right to defend ourselves, we have the right to bomb the s**t out of any backwood s**t hole that threatens us or our way of life, even a percieved threat. And yes "I am ashamed to be an American, the primary targest should be heads of states. I enjoyed watching Sadam swing from my 52 inch flat screen. You, who are ashamed to be an American...tough s**t, who cares, I'll bet you don't leave America you poor pathetic and blind fool. You go ahead and complain while real Americans with courage on the ground do the dirty work so you can live without the fear of being blown up when you go to the mail with your pathetic friends and talk about the war over your lattes. OK, so some one called me a Yankee Turd, I am a proud one, I will be a Yankee Turd any day instead of a third world or balless European piece of s**t (England excluded of course). We still have the power and might and have been kind enough not to unleash the full force of our power, I think it is a mistake, one that will be corrected before Bush leaves office. You think those 2 aircraft carrier groups in the Gulf are there for play? Think again, there have not been many idle threats from the US in the last few years, I can't wait for those F18's to take off for Iran. For those of you who rant and cheer the enemy, f**k you, who cares, you are irrelevant, in fact you countries are irreleveant and your governments are impotent...God it's great to be an American, it really is the greatest place on earth. Go Bears!
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written by A brazilian, January 29, 2007
It's not true that we don't help poor countries, in fact we provide more aide to Africa for aids and other countries for food than any other...


That's not truth.

Instead they prefer to slip back to the 18th century by impowering Mullahs and implementing Islamic law. Isn't it ironic that they poorest most backwater countries in the world are Muslim ones? Islam is a religon of lies and hate, Muslims are morally week and what the hell, why not blow themselves up, what do they really have to live for anyway?


That's not truth either. BTW, the richest people from that region have lots of money invested in the US, so both the americans and the saudi arabians don't want this profitable partnership to end. It's all about money.

We not only have the right to defend ourselves, we have the right to bomb the s**t out of any backwood s**t hole that threatens us or our way of life, even a percieved threat.


Remember that for every action there's a consequence. Before stating crap in a website be sure you are aware of the consequences and that you accept them, they might not be nice.

God it's great to be an American, it really is the greatest place on earth.


Nazis. Your post shows the world the kind of Nazis you are and how the United States has become a kind of Nazi Germany.
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written by Oliverr, January 29, 2007
American republicans are the nazis of the 21st century.
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written by Ric, January 29, 2007
I think it bothers other peoples that Americans care so little about what people in the third world, or Europe for that matter, think about America. It´s an unspoken relegation to irrelevance. Even if unintended. Americans go to sleep at night secure in the knowledge that any foreign country that attacks America during the night will be toast by morning. Can one put a price on that?
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written by Oliverr, January 29, 2007
The only problem is when it is not a foreign country the responsible for 9/11 attacks

Republican Americans are realy evil

The other point is that America was losing, and is losing, its importance in the world order and you ppl cannot swallow that. See the dollar currancy, it's losing its importance. See its culture it is denigrating more and more. And see its self esteem. They have lost it completely, at least the Republicans....
Revenge of the Elites
written by The American Historian, January 30, 2007
How else do you expect these workers to be treated. It was how my daddy treated them, and his daddy before him, and his daddy before....... It's just the way god made things.
Ric
written by The American Historian, January 30, 2007
To quote Archie Bunker (speaking to the Meathead) Ric, "Don't you feel great knowing that you belong to a country that if it wanted to, could blow away the rest of the world?" All right, I said no more sarcastic quotes today.
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written by Ric, January 30, 2007
What I like is when A Brazilian, who actually does pretty well in English, talks about the "poors".

And I misspoke myself saying that the rest of the world hates the U.S. I have been all over Granada and they don´t. Thank you Fidel for that wonderful airport you built, I can take off using only about 10% of it.
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written by bo, January 30, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-01-29 10:34:28

It's not true that we don't help poor countries, in fact we provide more aide to Africa for aids and other countries for food than any other...



That's not truth.


It is true bozo, want the statistics??? Bill Gates and Ted Turner ALONE has given over 3 Billion dollars to Africa over the last several years. And the U.S. is by far and away the biggest GIVER of aid, financial and otherwise, than any other country in the world. When making comparisons to the U.S. in this respect, one must compare it with the whole of europe, and the U.S. STILL gives more.
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written by A brazilian, January 30, 2007
Bill Gates and Ted Turner ALONE has given over 3 Billion dollars to Africa over the last several years

That's not "the US", it's some individuals only. The US means the country represented by its government, i.e., some government action to give away money (hahahahahaha). But see how well they are doing now! smilies/smiley.gif

One day I saw an interview of an african politician, he said these kinds of "help" only keeps that continent dependent on foreign countries . Think, wouldn't giving clothes and food for free destroy any possiblity if a local industry to grow? Why would they buy anything or work if they can have anything for free?

Have you ever asked yourself that they are grown ups and should be able to solve their own problems? Isn't it sort of treating like little kids?
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written by bo, January 30, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-01-30 14:10:38

Bill Gates and Ted Turner ALONE has given over 3 Billion dollars to Africa over the last several years


That's not "the US", it's some individuals only. The US means the country represented by its government, i.e., some government action to give away money (hahahahahaha).


Well, they're american citizens, making money and paying taxes in the U.S. AND, the U.S. GOVERNMENT GIVES more money and aid than any other country on the face of the planet.

And your horses**t about "treating them like little kids", laughable! Their gov'ts are desperately poor and "some" even MORE corrupt than brazil.....if you can imagine that!!
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written by A brazilian, January 30, 2007
the U.S. GOVERNMENT GIVES more money and aid than any other country on the face of the planet.


That's not truth. I don't have any link in here and I am too busy to look up on Google just like you do, but I read an article recently saying exactly the opposite, the US is the one that gives less among the developed nations, and its people have the erroneous idea that the US government "gives money away" to everyone.

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written by Ric, January 30, 2007
Oh right, compared with the million dollars (LOTS OF MONEY) Brazil is giving to Lebanon. That´s more than can be carried in the average person´s kwecas. No link in there, are you? Well get out of there while you still can. Get a link. And keep fighting US foreign aid, we´re with you. Foreign aid is the Walmart customers in the US providing the Idi Amins of this world with Kweca money.
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written by bo, January 30, 2007
That's not truth. I don't have any link in here and I am too busy to look up on Google just like you do, but I read an article recently saying exactly the opposite, the US is the one that gives less among the developed nations, and its people have the erroneous idea that the US government "gives money away" to everyone.



No bonehead, those people are talking "per capita" and in relevance to GNP. But in GROSS dollar amounts and TOTAL aid the U.S. gives far more than ANY country on planet earth....want the links?

Shame you don't know such common knowledge...but not surprising!
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written by A brazilian, January 30, 2007
Common knowledge usually means commonly accepted ignorance.
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written by bo, January 31, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-01-30 18:55:54

Common knowledge usually means commonly accepted ignorance.



It certainly does in your case!!!
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written by bo, January 31, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-01-30 17:11:39

the U.S. GOVERNMENT GIVES more money and aid than any other country on the face of the planet.



That's not truth. I don't have any link in here and I am too busy to look up on Google just like you do, but I read an article recently saying exactly the opposite, the US is the one that gives less among the developed nations, and its people have the erroneous idea that the US government "gives money away" to everyone.




"Lies! Lies and more Lies!! The infidels have not pentrated Baghdad, we have them on the run and surrounded in every city. Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."




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written by aesaac, February 18, 2007
In 'America' the poor drive cars.
The Poor Drive Cars
written by Ric, February 21, 2007
Yes, they do. And in places where one has to get a smog certificate in order to license one´s vehicle and the vehicle won´t pass, the only way to sell the vehicle is to an illegal alien. And they can drive it until the time runs out on the license, then drive it home to Mexico. Right over the border with no police roadblocks.

This is an educational web site, and many Brazilians who are used to driving through police roadblocks and being stopped, searched and harrassed, on a regular basis, may not realize that in the USA that kind of acivity is generally prohibited because the lawperson has to have "probable cause". Entering the USA from Canado or Mexico you can be stopped, entering Calif. from another state the fruit police may question you, and once in awhile the cops may have a drug-searching activity that blocks off a city street. But no regular, random, warrantless intrerdictions. It´s ILLEGAL.

So an illegal Mexican can drive around as long as there is nothing suspicious appearing or an infraction of the traffic laws. Also in California even with the officially licensed smog stations whose equipment is directly tied by phone line or broadband to the DMV in Sacramento, there are ways around the system and guys that will smog your old car anyway, and there always will be. Because the poor have to get around too and there is very little public transportation in most areas.
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written by ClarkAudra, August 12, 2010
Buildings are quite expensive and not everyone is able to buy it. Nevertheless, business loans was created to aid people in such hard situations.

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