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Brazil Tightens the Noose on Colleges' Freedom of Expression PDF Print E-mail
Written by Júlio Mariutti   
Sunday, 04 February 2007 15:19

Main campus of Brazil's Universidade de São Paulo (USP) The sentencing of two students from the University of São Paulo (USP) to prison for political activity is a stark indication of the escalation of repression on Brazil's university campuses. Similar actions have been carried out at various universities recently, but the court decision handed down last December against the USP students is distinguished by its arbitrary character.

It's also of great significance the fact that it involves the most important university in the country, where until just a few years ago the military police did not dare to intervene.

In August of 2005, Daniel Sene, 25, and Ilana Tschiptschin, 23, both students of architecture, were arrested by the University Guard for painting on the pavement in front of the School of Philosophy the slogan "Brasilia 17," a call for participation in a demonstration against the government of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva that had been called in the Brazilian capital of Brasilia on August 17 of that year.

As if it were not enough to detain the students, university security immediately took them to a police station, where they were interrogated and held in a cell overnight.

Sene and Tschiptschin were subsequently sentenced to three months in prison. Their defense attorney appealed the decision to a higher court, but on December 18, 2006, the São Paulo Court of Justice upheld the sentence. Ibidal Pivetta, the students' lawyer, said he would appeal the decision once again.

Pivetta, a well-known lawyer for political prisoners, was president of the National Union of Students in 1958. Under the military dictatorship (1964-1985) he defended hundreds of prisoners against the terrible repression of that epoch of state terror. The majority of those he defended were then students, some of whom now occupy significant posts in Brazilian political life.

In numerous public statements, Pivetta has charged that the university's decision to bring the students to a police station represented a major "aberration of justice," and that the case recalled in a frightening way the dark days of the dictatorship.

"The recent case of Daniel and Ilana, from 2005, is one that I consider an aberration of justice, as well as an ethical and moral aberration," said Pivetta. Specifically, as to the action by the university security, he added, "What happened in their case, as well as in various other cases, is that this internal police did not act socially or culturally; it acted arbitrarily."

Asked how the security guards should have acted, Pivetta stated, "What should have been done in their case was to talk to the accused, ask these two persons - or invite them - to go before the university government and there, the whole body or those responsible for campus security would take or not take appropriate measures, assuring them total, broad and unrestricted right of defense, as is normal in other civilized universities.

"But instead, the security guards at USP violently arrested the two and dragged them to the police station. This is an assault on all principles of university autonomy, on the right of the university to govern itself."

A political demonstration within the university should be treated as a legitimate social act by the University Guard and not as a common crime. This becomes even more arbitrary given the fact that the students had only painted the pavement.

If they had painted the slogan on the wall of a USP building, Daniel and Ilana could have been charged with "destruction of property," but in this case they were accused of committing an "esthetic-environmental" crime.

That is, the only possible juridical pretext for convicting the two was that they had made the university more "ugly." However, this is a clear restriction on the right of political speech and amounts to saying that to speak out politically on the university is a crime!

In his argument before the court and in statements to the Brazilian press, attorney Pivetta seriously compared the case with the repression introduced on the universities under the military dictatorship in the late 1960s.

"The attitude of USP of wanting to have police power makes the university regress to the period of the military dictatorship," he said.

"For a case such as this with such a low level of damage to be brought before the courts is something that I saw only in the epoch of military repression," he told the press, adding, "It is the University of Sao Paulo that should have been in the dock!"

Speaking at a recent event honoring former political prisoners from the period of the military dictatorship - in which other speakers treated the repression as a bad memory - Pivetta took advantage of the occasion to call attention, in a note of protest, to "the youngest political prisoners," Daniel and Ilana.

In reality, even under the military dictatorship, the presence of the police on the USP campus was never institutionalized. Their presence was only sporadic, even minimal when compared with the permanent patrols that exist today.

Such was the case that, when the military police entered the university, it was classified as an "invasion." As Pivetta said in an interview with students: "In the time of the dictatorship itself, there were rarely invasions. There were invasions in the case of the CRUSP (student housing) or the university restaurant, but it was more difficult for the political police to go making arrests within the university itself. This case is one of complete arbitrariness. It has shocked all of the lawyers in São Paulo and public opinion to the extent that it has become known."

The other fact that cannot be ignored is that the graffiti painted by Daniel e Ilana was a call for a protest against the Lula government. The incident occurred at a moment of profound political crisis in Brazil, soon after the revelations surrounding the mensalão scandal (in which the ruling Workers Party-PT was paying monthly stipends to deputies of other parties in exchange for their votes in Congress), which implicated the principal figures in the PT government in the diversion of public money and the bribing of legislators.

According to a number of students at USP, during this period (August 2005) protests related to national politics were severely repressed on the campus. "There was a campaign by the university bureaucracy to tear down protest signs against the corruption and against the Lula government. These posters were torn down rapidly, while others were allowed to remain," one student said.

The conviction and sentencing to prison of Sene and Tschiptschin do not represent an isolated incident. Throughout 2006, an ever-more repressive process has taken hold at USP, something that had already been developing in recent years.

Various restrictions have been imposed on student activities, principally affecting political demonstrations, and various "security" measures have been put in place, which together are putting an end to the traditional and historic freedom of students within the campus.

The constant presence of the Military Police is the most serious of these changes, but at the same time, various other attacks carried out by the university bureaucracy have combined over recent years to drastically curtail student life at USP.

Entrance to the campus has become ever-more rigorously controlled; hours are being restricted; security cameras have been installed; the handing out of leaflets and the placing of "political" posters are frequently repressed; parties have been prohibited; the free spaces given to student organizations are being taken back and punishment of students for "infractions" is becoming ever more frequent.

This repressive wave, which is more severe in some universities and less in others, affects all students in Brazil. It is directly bound up with the destruction of education by the Lula government. This is being carried out through the privatization of the public universities by means of partnerships with the big corporations and banks, the transfer of public resources to the private universities through government programs, the mass layoffs of professors and initiatives such as "long-distance learning," which leave no doubt about where education is heading - into the chaos of the capitalist market.

Reducing the universities to the mere training of new workers for the labor market and totally linking research to the immediate interests of big business is the form taken by capitalist barbarism in culture and in the university.

Police repression, the billy-club and the stationhouse serve to guarantee the smooth implementation of the project of the banks and big business in carrying out the generalized privatization of culture and science, against the interests of both the vast majority of students and Brazilian working people.

This article appeared originally at http://www.wsws.org.

Comments (172)Add Comment
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written by Manuel Pinto, February 04, 2007
This what we should expect when we elect an illeterate moron for president. Lula probably thinks that we should all be lathe operators.
News?
written by GTY, February 04, 2007
Wow, police violating the rights of students in a South American University in 2005...that's big news! I wish the campus police here in the US would arrest and kick the s**t out of the spolied brats we have in our colleges here when the destroy property after drunken after football parties. Way to go Brazil!
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written by Adriana a., February 04, 2007
Julio I got confused, in the last three paragraphs. So now the threat is coming from diffrent sides. In the begining of the article I thought it was coming from the left, but at the end of it, in the last three paragraphs, I began to think it is coming from the right. Maybe Lula now represents left, right, middle, and center. Gee, this is really bad, so many sides now to deal with.

I'm sorry about my joke. I'm really confused with so many labels these days.
What!?
written by A brazilian, February 04, 2007
They were arrested for painting the pavement, not because of repression. They can express themselves without destroying the college!! What a piece of crap article. I only wish the police were that effective in the whole Sao Paulo city because that city is full of grafitti and it's really ugly. The slogan "Brasilia 17" means absolutely nothing, I would never be able to tell what it is and if I saw that I would think they were doing grafitti in the college.

With the internet nowadays shouldn't they be more intelligent than that?
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written by cold front, February 04, 2007
If their protest: was against anti american propaganda, and chavez, and morales,and the worship of dead marxists ( smoking cuban cigars),and lulu,s blame the americans rhetoric.... then they should be held up as celebrities, ...
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
Reruns of I LOVE LULU will now be broad cast to brazil...I LOVE LULU ,was a comedy about a latin,.. married to a american, ..for a green card .... of course the marriage ended in divorce...the american remarried ..an american who resurrected her career and forgave her for her naivete ,she went on to become very wealthy.... the unscrupolous fraudster, forced to now work...took a job americans would not do and died pennyless...Laws have since been implemented against marriage fraud to acheive entry or remain in the u.s.a.........its a felony with up to15 years in prison.....and of course deportation ....
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
And be sure to not miss episode # 90 ....when the illegitimate children in brazil of the green card fraudster travel to the u.s.a. via mexico and cross the border to take jobs americans won,t do....Opening scene #1 shows ,.. eager buyers of fraudelent documents waiting in long lines for hours to get the much coveted fake papers....seeing this as a way to make money ( tax free).... the new arrivals decide to take a job americans won,t do..... (Tax free of course)....Episode # 95 ,, well you guess... Ciao!!!
Hey Cold Front
written by PPALL, February 05, 2007
Who gives a s**t about "LuLu" anyhow? How are your postings relevant, except as redneck rants. Do you enjoy your basement meetings with your Nazi buddys, dressing up in cammy's, shooting animals and burining crosses. What part of the South are you from anyway?. You should have at least finished high school. My guess is that your a burger flippin, redneck who hates it becuase unskilled immigrant labor is taking all the REALLY GOOD JOBS. Now go gas up your pick up, put the rifles in the rack, stick the confederate flag on the pole in the truck bed, drink a case of Old Milwaukee and drive yourself of a f**king cliff.
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
shut up paranoid midget...document fraud, trafficking, etc " are really good "jobs my little carioca... until you get caught by law enforcement....
Cold Front's W@
written by PPALL, February 05, 2007
What's it look like for 06? $20,000, isn't that what teenagers make a Burger King? I'll bet your your immigrant boss treats you like shot to. Get a degree...then pop off.

The Midget, PhD.
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written by bo, February 05, 2007
What!?
written by A brazilian, 2007-02-04 23:00:25

They were arrested for painting the pavement, not because of repression. They can express themselves without destroying the college!! What a piece of crap article.



Cold Brain
written by GTY, February 05, 2007
I'ts amazing you have internet access. Did they put a new terminal in at the AM/PM gas station you work out that you can use?
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
PP , After a long arduous journey from the bowels of brazil , and in debt to his alien trafficker back home, PP finds america not quite the same as his impressions of disney land....
Cold F
written by GTY, February 05, 2007
After a long ardous journey from his job at the local Burger King and in debt to his Nazi buddies out back in the barn, Cold Front finds America not quite the same as his impressions of a backwoods, redneck state in the South...were he still resides at 14 years old.
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
... the noose is tightening on illegals in the u.s.a.....tick tock, tick tock,... don,t bother buying that hyundai pedro .... you won,t get a license to drive it...and forget your job at" bugger boy",..they can,t hire you with your false documents.... verification machinery is being implemented as we speak.... The good news is that venezuela will be hiring factorie workers to manufacture plastic childrens rifles for its citizens to play with....And for the fired air traffick controllers in brazil ,... there will be openings in the new venezuelan air force ,consisting of 25 planes and 50 helicopters.... the jobs are part time...Uniforms will be provided, red of course.......
Clueless
written by PPAL, February 05, 2007
We have taken over major cities like Miami, LA and Denver. Your politicans now cater to us as they need our votes. Your new Congress will now pass an immigration reform bill that will allow a guest worker (amnesty program) and millons of illegals will get drivers licencses and pay taxes and stay, while millons more will come for the next amnesty, it's an uneducated argument to claim it can be stopped. The Hispanic community continues to grow at a historic rate, while white European births are down. There are hispanics in business, your government and your universites. It won't be long until you are the manority, it's a simple fact..."the noose is tightening...tick tock, tick tock.
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written by Ana P, February 05, 2007
Brazilians are not hispanics!!! smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Don zimmermann, February 05, 2007
Dear all,

This page contains a picture that looks like Mona Lisa.If you look at it, you will find a striking similarity between Mona Lisa and the e minister of information of Iraaq.In case you dont know who he is,I am posting the relevant link.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

My congrats to the staff of Brazzil.com.They do have a sense of humor. I hope MSS is still alive and kicking.
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written by cold front, February 05, 2007
who,s we little PP ?... now why would our polititians cater to foreign nationals ( illegal aliens ), who cannot vote!...Your disney land fantasy of amnesty for illegals in the u. s. a. ,is just what it is "a fantasy"...to imply that america cannot stop foreign nationals from entering the u.s. or remaining in the u.s. illegally is pathetically naive,further more as you sleep with one eye open, and live like a criminal ...190,000 were deported last year... as far as miami , illegals are in small numbers,relative to its large population...Miami does not rule the state , the citizens of all of Florida rule by majority vote... the majority of floridians want action with the illegal problem...L.A. ,Denver , same dynamic...the noose tightens... and tightens...the immediate future holds implementations of document verifications, the inability to obtain drivers licenses, social security # s,new bio metric passports, employer verifications, bank regulations,local law enforcement agencies working with federal law enforcement to implement fast efficient removal of illegal aliens.... incidentally, deportations will not be discriminatory .... illegal aliens of all nationalitys will be targeted...So since you are a anti american midget,... you can be rest assured you will have an opportunity to return to your village and fill your donkey cart full of those american jeans you bought, and impress your neighbors....and by the way ,shut the lights out before you leave, americans aren,t interested in paying your bills ...tick tock, tick tock,..........
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written by u.s.a., February 05, 2007
I think PP is peeing his pants after that one!!!
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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
The Mona Lisa A Brazilian Bob is my favorite.
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written by Don zimmermann, February 05, 2007
Ric strikes again.So you recognized Mona Lisa Bob,eh,old chap? BTW, I am an innocent byestander in this site smilies/cheesy.gif
Ana P
written by PPLL, February 05, 2007
Ana P, in America, Brazilian's, Cubans, people from all South and Latin American countries are all just Mexican's to us...you included. Adios.
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written by Ana P, February 05, 2007
It only shows your ignorance!!! More of the vast ignorance below:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59BfpQ
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written by PPLL, February 05, 2007
A women or black President, maybe a Mexican like Richardson, won't be a while idiot like Bush. The House has made it a priority, politcans like MCain support it and Bush said he would sign it. Amnesty is coming no matter how much you hate it. America is brwon and becoming browner you can't deny it. I sleep well at night, I have been here legally for 20 years, in fact I have helped others become legal. You are doing such a wonderful job securing the border, I know 10 people that came through last week. We are you worse nightmare, we simply need to out number you...and we are very close to that now...viva La Raza! You are afraid to come into our neighborhoods, whites are scarred s**tless. How can you possibly deport tens of millions...you are typical of the moronic US right. You keep occupied with your ass kicking in Iraq while we take over...pretty f**king smart for a bunch of w*****ks...huh?
Funny......the Brazilian junkie...when HE....
written by ch.c., February 05, 2007
..wrote : WE....have taken....etc.....

That simply shows how educated is this junkie, not knowing that illegals cannot vote....contrary to what he suggests.
And even if they could, it is not 2 millions Brazilians who will make a big difference.
Funny too that this same guy doesnt seem to know that 90 % of illegals in the USA speak Spanish....not Portuguese !!!!

Going back to the article, NOOOOOO what happened is not an aberration in Brazil...it is normal, it is the Brazilian (IN)Justice applied daily everywhere in the country.
Has this (IN)Justice not put a 19 year old girl in jail for 4 years, recently, .because she had stolen.....1 tube of butter ???????
Sadly the answer is .....YESSSSS they did.

Again and again, Brazil is a backward country, a tragedy to humanity ! A Tropical Mud !
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written by Ana P, February 05, 2007
In the USA they have the 3 strike rule. If someone stole 3 times, they get to setenced for life in prison. Great legal system.
All legal system sucks, they are corrupt, justice and laws are two completed different things. There's no justice anywhere...

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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
It´s by state. Not all states have a three strikes law.
PP
written by u.s.a., February 05, 2007
To PP: You are a racist pig!...Your lies and missquotes destroy your credibility!!...Richardson is half mexican....and has a snow balls chance in hell of getting elected....Bush (who you have some particular vitriol for) never said amnesty....Bush said he will" CONSIDER" a "new" "temporary" "GUEST "worker program (H2B)...You talk of browns , what has race got to do with illegals in the u.s.a.,... illegals are from all races and nationalities...if" you "are a foreign national in the u.s.,then your legal status is questionable ..... your arrogant rants about the u.s.a.,s right and its citizens desire to enforce its laws and uphold its sovreignty shows your contempt ,and race based hatred for the u. s. your statement of being in the u. s. for 20 years is suspect... in fact anything you say is suspect... your declaring that you know of new illegals entering the u.s. ...from the border... indicates more punk ass crap from your frothing monkey mouth...you say you have helped others get legal? How? I suuggest you go on national TV (U.S.) and open your mouth ..and then you will assure the final nail in the coffin of the criminal illegal aliens in the U.S....AIDING,HARBORING , CONCEALING,TRANSPORTING, TRAFFICKING ,OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IS A FELONY,DOCUMENT FRAUD ,IDENTITY THEFT,TAX EVASION , ILLEGAL MONEY TRANSFER, ALL FELONYS.........Mass deportations aren,t necessary ... it can be done by tightening the noose and making it virtually impossible for illegals to operate ....... as for our borders?... ...Americans never give away military secrets....Tick Tock , Tick Tock....
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written by I C E cold, February 05, 2007
PP : pees and poops his pants after that one!
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written by e harmony, February 05, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-02-04 23:00:25

They were arrested for painting the pavement, not because of repression. They can express themselves without destroying the college!! What a piece of crap article. I only wish the police were that effective in the whole Sao Paulo city because that city is full of grafitti and it's really ugly. The slogan "Brasilia 17" means absolutely nothing, I would never be able to tell what it is and if I saw that I would think they were doing grafitti in the college.

With the internet nowadays shouldn't they be more intelligent than that?


Yeah, I didn't get how the article correlated destruction of property via graffiti as a protected right. People in the U.S. get thrown in jail or fined for doing stuff like that. Better yet... my brother who has his Masters degree was once as a young student at university, arrested by university police with their guns drawn - it was for a warrant, however the warrant had been cleared along time ago but the fabulous city or county bureaucracy failed to clear it in the computer system. This incident was at the city's university that is part of the state's university system here (meaning run and funded by the state). The university police at this campus are actually part of the state police. It's not the first time the university police have drawn their firearms on someone either.

Oh! What the university police had their guns drawn on my brother for was a warrant for his arrest for an unpaid hospital bill for his child's birth at the county hospital.
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written by e harmony, February 05, 2007
written by Ana P, 2007-02-05 21:30:18

In the USA they have the 3 strike rule. If someone stole 3 times, they get to setenced for life in prison. Great legal system.
All legal system sucks, they are corrupt, justice and laws are two completed different things. There's no justice anywhere...


smilies/grin.gif By the way... you know where the judicial systems got that "three strikes and you're out" from? They derived it from the sport of baseball. I always find it interesting how toying with peoples lives - and consequently the lives of their loved ones and dependents (such as children) - has gotten reduced to the popular game rules or sports. You would think a highly cultivated and civilized society would have a little more depth to them when it comes to their citizenry per the judiciary system?
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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
How unfair! I assume you advised him to sue!
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written by Ric, February 05, 2007
Three strikes and you´re out.
You really dropped the ball on that one.
He´s out in left field.
We´re playing hardball.
Softball questions.
She´s way off base.
That was a foul ball.
It´s the bottom of the ninth.

USA
written by PPLL, February 05, 2007
I love the hate and anger in your voice, it makes my life even better than it is...and God has provided many blessings. Unfortunaly for you the days of white sheets and cross burnings are gone forever...so is a white America. The toothpaste is out of the tube, and even though you hate to admit it, we are everywhere, in your Goverment, your schools, your police forces and yes, your military. Those of us who have naturalized and there are millions of us, we continue to breed at twice the rate a white Europeans, we are breeding American citizens who will be your kids bosses. We are also encouraging more of our family members to continue to come illegally to increase the numbers. What Bush really says (and you are right, I consider him a terrorist), is that he supports a guest worker program that leads to citizenship, nothing temporary about that. The white majority will be gone in a decade and we will rule your largest urban areas and create a much better, less racist society. America is tired of the same old white incompetence, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Nixon...its going to be a women or minority weather you and your Nazi friends like it or not. Don't you know that the city governments of your largest cities are run by Latino city governments and declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" places where illegals "can drive and work" without fear of deportation or prosecution? You can try and wish it away, but America is going brown and were going to be better for it. So you keep attending your pathetic Klans meeting, flying your confederate flags and crying about immigration, it's just too f**king late to turn of the tap.

Oh and ICE Cold, my 10 year olds South Florida soccer team played a white kids team from Tampa, you want to see kids crapping and peeing their pants, you should have seen those white kids crying after recieving a brown elbow to the chops while they destroyed them 8 - 0. That's what you rednecks don't understand, you all want to whine and talk, we will play as dirty as we have to to win the battle we are born and raised that way. Just like in Iraq, you have all gone soft and gooey, you all don't have the stomach to fight for it. That is way it is not taking much effort to take it.
CA
written by PPLL, February 05, 2007
Oh...and God Bless Arnold in California, can you imagine, free health care, even for illegals. America is a great country, illegals immigrants in California will get health care and they don't even pay taxes. We have already taken California back, the entire Southwest is next.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
Clueless
written by PPAL, 2007-02-05 18:41:10

We have taken over major cities like Miami, LA and Denver. Your politicans now cater to us as they need our votes. Your new Congress will now pass an immigration reform bill that will allow a guest worker (amnesty program) and millons of illegals will get drivers licencses and pay taxes and stay, while millons more will come for the next amnesty, it's an uneducated argument to claim it can be stopped. The Hispanic community continues to grow at a historic rate, while white European births are down. There are hispanics in business, your government and your universites. It won't be long until you are the manority, it's a simple fact..."the noose is tightening...tick tock, tick tock.



LOL...buddy, you have NO clue!! White, protestant men control the power in the U.S. And you can bet, WE will NEVER live to see the day that latinos are the "majority" in the U.S.A.

Be careful coming through Arizona and New Mexico, as the "Minutemen" are there, and will shoot first and ask questions later.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
Your new Congress will now pass an immigration reform bill that will allow a guest worker (amnesty program) and millons of illegals will get drivers licencses and pay taxes and stay



Really????


Do you think americans are stupid??? They've shown their desire, the "new" congress are building WALLS. I'll be sure and send your comment to my congressman and be sure to tell him it was someone from latin america.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
How can you possibly deport tens of millions...you are typical of the moronic US right. You keep occupied with your ass kicking in Iraq while we take over...pretty f**king smart for a bunch of w*****ks...huh?



If you've lived in the U.S. for 20 years then you CERTAINLY know that the U.S. gov't. can deport 10 million illegals with ease if it desires. Afterall, we send and have sent millions of soldiers all over the world. Better yet, maybe we'll just give those good ole boys from WV, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama and the Carolinas a "free pass".....open season, no limit.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
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written by Ana P, 2007-02-05 21:30:18

In the USA they have the 3 strike rule. If someone stole 3 times, they get to setenced for life in prison. Great legal system.
All legal system sucks, they are corrupt, justice and laws are two completed different things. There's no justice anywhere...



Ana, besides you constantly showing that you've taken your whorish ways to north america, you continually show your ignorance of the very country in which you claim to reside. Each STATE has different laws. Matter of fact, MOST states do NOT have the 3 strike rule. And, those states that DO have the 3 strike rule are for FELONIES. Petty theft is NOT a felony.

You really need to educate youself a little better about the very place in which you live.

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written by bo, February 06, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-05 22:44:18

written by A brazilian, 2007-02-04 23:00:25

They were arrested for painting the pavement, not because of repression. They can express themselves without destroying the college!! What a piece of crap article. I only wish the police were that effective in the whole Sao Paulo city because that city is full of grafitti and it's really ugly. The slogan "Brasilia 17" means absolutely nothing, I would never be able to tell what it is and if I saw that I would think they were doing grafitti in the college.

With the internet nowadays shouldn't they be more intelligent than that?



Yeah, I didn't get how the article correlated destruction of property via graffiti as a protected right. People in the U.S. get thrown in jail or fined for doing stuff like that. Better yet... my brother who has his Masters degree was once as a young student at university, arrested by university police with their guns drawn - it was for a warrant, however the warrant had been cleared along time ago but the fabulous city or county bureaucracy failed to clear it in the computer system. This incident was at the city's university that is part of the state's university system here (meaning run and funded by the state). The university police at this campus are actually part of the state police. It's not the first time the university police have drawn their firearms on someone either.

Oh! What the university police had their guns drawn on my brother for was a warrant for his arrest for an unpaid hospital bill for his child's birth at the county hospital.



Thought you lived in a crack neighborhood???? It's not only common, but necessary for police to have their guns drawn on "niggahs" slinging rock in the 'hood!
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
Oh and ICE Cold, my 10 year olds South Florida soccer team played a white kids team from Tampa, you want to see kids crapping and peeing their pants, you should have seen those white kids crying after recieving a brown elbow to the chops while they destroyed them 8 - 0. That's what you rednecks don't understand, you all want to whine and talk, we will play as dirty as we have to to win the battle we are born and raised that way.



LMAO.....pleeeeeease hardass!!! The day that a group of midget latinos whip a group of anglo/afro americans is the day that brazilian men stop to wrench their necks turning to look at a womans ass!
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written by e harmony, February 06, 2007
written by Ric, 2007-02-05 22:50:47

How unfair! I assume you advised him to sue!


That happened years ago. Although something like that doesn't need to happen, I do find it somewhat comical today. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by e harmony, February 06, 2007

Thought you lived in a crack neighborhood???? It's not only common, but necessary for police to have their guns drawn on "niggahs" slinging rock in the 'hood!


What my neighborhood is or isn't, or what it comprises or doesn't comprise is neither here nor there. The incident in question took place on a college campus, a particular campus that is certainly not considered part of the "hood" or residing within the "hood."
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written by steel poetry, February 06, 2007
your propaganda tinged with your hate and anger against the u.s.is as worthless as a cheap suit!...your insignificant,...your radical rant taken from the shelf of a rotten structure...and we all know,when you kick in the door of a rotten structure..the whole building comes down........As for the u.s. immigration issue , well that will be decided by the majority of the u.s. citizens....
SO MUCH HATE
written by forrest allen brown, February 06, 2007
SOUNDS LIKE A SAND BOX FIGHT,

DON'T YOU KNOW THE WAY THE GOVERMENT WINS IN THE US IS TO KEEP THE PEOPLE FIGHTING EACH OTHER.
IN BRASIL THEY USE CHEEP BOOZE , SMOKES , LACK OF LAW , AND BLAME THE OTHER PARTY

I DON'T BLAME ANY PERSON WILLING TO WORK FROM GOING TO A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE LOOK AT THE NORTH OF BRASIL WENT TO THE SOUTH
IN THE US THE NORTH WENT TO THE SOUTH

HE HAS THE GOLD KEEPS IT

WE CAN ONLY WINN IF THE PEOPLE OF EACH COUNTRY WORK WITH EACH OTHER TO TAKE BACK OUR NATIONAL RIGHTS .
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written by u.s. steel, February 06, 2007
If you are a illegal alien in the u.s.a. ,the only rights you have is to leave !
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written by Maria Juana, February 06, 2007
If you are a illegal alien in the u.s.a. ,the only rights you have is to leave !

You stole over half of my country. We are just taking it back.
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written by ICE, February 06, 2007
what country?
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written by ICE, February 06, 2007
maria .. maria ,and suddenly i found a bow legged clown ,wearing a frown , no documents per say... filled with delusions ,eager to fraud, with a cheap peroxide blond, to match the photo on the false papers...
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written by american observer. southern hemisphere division, February 06, 2007
mental midgets conspire to take over the u.s.a..... with donkey carts laden with rocks they secretly plan their tactics in the cafes along the avenue of theives...hawkers on kiosks say old stinky che guevarra t-shirts showing brisk sales...chavez donates red shirts...morales donates plant leaves to create a euphoria among the recruits, and to dull the senses of their ill fated mission...lulu offers 150.00 pr month in reals for sustinence...flip flops were the preferred foot wear of choice of the recruits...daily exercises consisted of eating, drinking farting, vomiting,arguing, wife beating, folowed by a dizzying dance to the music by "The Usefull idiots"...re-runs of photos and films of a dead che guevarra were donated by fidel... donkey carts lined up , less their lethal cargo of rocks ,.. provided transport home for the passed out idealists or should we say delusionals....
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
There´s lots I don´t know, but I do know about Mexicans and Latinos in the USA. I personally know a guy in Wilmington who says, why learn English, it´s all coming back to us anyway. He´s wrong . One of my best friends is a legal, naturalized strawberry farmer in the Central Coast. My Jr. Hi in Anaheim, now Western Hi, was 40% Latino. I ran around with kids in Santa Barbara who traced their families to the owners of the original land grants, and oh yes, also a family in the bay area for whom a town was named there. We stay with them when in the East Bay.

The dirty little secret that PPAL won´t divulge or hasn´t figured out is that the vast majority of Latinos assimilate extremely well, too well if you are in favor of passing the old language to their kids. I have a third gen Mexican-American friend near Calexico who doesn´t speak Spanish at all. Unlike some groups, Mexicans become fully integrated. A new group of Hispanics may be coming to the states soon, middle class from Venezuela. Their voting patterns will be similar to the Cuban-Americans.

There is not going to be another Alamo experience. There are no more Zoot Suiters. The Pachucos are all old guys. Have you noticed that most of the Border Patrol guys on TV are themselves Hispanic? What´s happening at the border today is as much or more about lawkeepers versus lawbreakers as it is Anglo versus Latino.

Some of you will know that I know what I´m talking about when I mention the half-cloverleaf shortcut to blend in to the bumper-to bumper traffic and cut at least an hour off your wait when leaving Tijuana.
Ric
written by PPLL, February 06, 2007
Ah, Mr. Ric, instead of spewing nonesense seems to understand. Those that say that America will NEVER be brown must be still living in the unpopulated South, with blinders still and don't realize its already happened. Not many Donkey Carts in LA, or Miami, but lots of samll hispanic business and politicians who look out for their people first, blacks next...white...who gives a s**t. Don't worry, will be there too, in the rural South, in fact look around, we are there already, just not in the numbers we need yet. Big cities first, out lying areas next. Ric, you are correct, it's been happening for decades and there is a plan...a plan that is working. Great observation regarding the Border Patrol, almost 75% hispanic, where do you think their loyalties REALLy lie, a few hundred dollars in the right place to the right agent works everytime? I know you don't think it is true, you don't have to, it is best that way. Mass deportations, that's really practical. Don't think Walmart, the unions, lumber or other big agro business would ever let that happen and where do you think the big political contributions come from?. The white uneducated trash on this site really don't get it, the magnitude, our will or political prowness, America has taught us well. And the Minutmen, oh, were shaking in our boots, Granny with a badge, Geez how pathetic, 2 of em were put in the hospital last week in Arizona trying to apprehend 2 Mexicans...again, we are playing for keeps, you are just playing. Buenos Dias.
Hispanic is your mother
written by A brazilian, February 06, 2007
Don't put brazilians in this nonsense you are talking about. We don't speak spanish you idiot, and we couldn't care less what some clueless imbecile in the US thinks. We are not part of your "Brown American dream", get a clue.

The illegal mexicans in there are incapable of learning English! Don't you have enough brains for that? When I was there I saw lots of signs in spanish, that's incredibly stupid. If I were a politician there I wouldn't allow that to happen.

All immigrants from spanish speaking countries speak the proper portuguese in Brazil, we expect no less. Why is it different in the US? Is this some kind of "a*****eness" competition?

I am glad Mexico requires Visa for brazilians now. The organized crime will have a harder time now getting people through. This human trafficking business only propers because:

- There's demand for unskilled workers in the US;
- There is poor people willing to try;
- There are means of getting into (through the desert);

For brazilians now the 3rd item is more difficult. If people want to move to the US they should do it legally.
PP
written by GTY, February 06, 2007
PP is a bit of a militant, but much of what he says is accurate. I live and work in South Florida, am white, but speak fluent Spanish. I am succesful because of my "Spanish speaking Gringo novelty", the company I work for is a huge American company that markets in Spanish to Miami as well as many other large American cities, sales to these Latin communities are now pushing $1B with my company alone. Do you really think my company would accept a mass deportation? I am sure they are letting their Congress person, located in Debuque, IA that would not be wise, as are hundreds of other large American businesses. Who will that congress person listen to if they need money for re-election? A hand full of pissed of citizens, or the companies that feed them donations.

There are large communites in Miami, Kendall, Doral, Hialeha, Miami proper where if you don't speak Spanish, you can not communicate, try finding your way around
Miami airport. Last week I saw a church in Doral that had a sign "English Language Service at 4:00". There are also the large hispanic only communites of Weston, Pembroke Pines, Coral Gables where hispanics own multi-million dollar houses, so the situation is not that simple...and I havn't seen a donkey cart since I have been here. But I do see lots of BMer's and Mercedes though.

Due to my business, I have lots of Hispanic associates, they to have told me that there are agents on the border who will take money to look the other way, these are people who have no reason to lie. While Miami has the "wet foot / dry foot" policy for Cubans, whom have been extrodinarily succesful here, the Cubans look out for the other Latin and Hispanic immigrants, including helping illegal hispanics and Latinos assemilate here. Do you really think you can't find a good job in Miami without proper papers...think again, Miami is a "Sanctuary City", we have illegal professionals working as Real Estate Agents and Loan Brokers.

While PPLL may be a bit of a militant, much of what he says is accurate. The hispanic and Latin communities continue their expansion and you now see entire communites in the once tradtionaly white middle class neighborhoods of Pompano Beach and Boca Raton, this change has happened in just a few short years. While I may not be entirely happy about the situation, I have learned to accept it and make a living here by understanding a different language and culture. Those of you with kids, I would advise you to teach them the same.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
it's not a "handful" of pissed americans. At last count it was 80 % of the american population demanding solutions to the problems of illegals.

And the statement that there is some "grand plan" for mexicans to take over the U.S., lmao, yeah, whatever. At least you've achieved the objective of giving us a good case of gas and heartburn with all the taco stands from sea to shining sea, have to hand it to ya there.

And those mexican border patrol, who do you think is the ultimate boss there?? A mexican??? LOL. And even if it were so, his/their loyalties lie with the United States, not some idiotic dream of a mexican takeover.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
it's not a "handful" of pissed americans. At last count it was 80 % of the american population demanding solutions to the problems of illegals.



And it doesn't matter how much money a company gives to a politicians campaign, matter of fact, campaign contributions are capped, as we all know. As history has shown, time after time, the will of the majority of american people always win out at the end of the day. New laws have been passed, others being contemplated. Walls are being built. The american public is fed-up with the illegal situation and they're not going to continue to accept the way things are today.
Bo Diddly
written by PPLL, February 06, 2007
And who says all of that 80% ( a number you pulled from your ass) is white Americans? You stay blind my Gringo friend and when we finally take over your city, you can work in one of the tacos stands which we DO love. If you think big business, as GTY clearly stated, does not have an impact on your government, think again (ever heard of lobbyists), the unions are also powerful pro immigrant forces, it shows your level of education, which by the way is another issue. We really appreciate you letting our kids attend your colleges for free and at the expense of white kids just as qualified...we love your liberals, while your kids go to community college we are in the top universities.

As for a Brazilian, you guys have always thought yourselves better than us, that's OK, its now a Mexican Coyote taking sister an daughters accross the borders. And I did read (in my hispanic newspaper) and see (on my Spanish TV station) the 2 Minutemen who got there asses kicked in AZ. One of the Minutemen was 63 years old, the brothers were in their 30's, what were they thinking anyway? Deny, Deny, Deny, you have been doing so for so long. But with a new and immigrant friendly Congress, as well as a President looking to cater to the immigrant community...this will be a great 4 years! I know this is a Brazilian site, I stop by because the Brazilian and Latino community have assimilated well in Florida and I have many Brazilian friends, many whom I have visited in Brazil and this will be my last posting out of respect. Our situations in our home countries may be very different, but our situation here in America is identical, it is best to join forces against the Rednecks like Bo and Cold Front. If we are fighting the "80%" percent who are ignornat, uneducated morons like Bo and Cold Front who work at Jiffy Lubes ,Tire Stores and gas stations...then this battle is going to be even easier than I thought, in fact, it has already been won. Viva La Raza!
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
If you think big business, as GTY clearly stated, does not have an impact on your government, think again



And if you think that businesses will win out over the will of the majority of american people you simply haven't been in the country long enough to know any better.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
f we are fighting the "80%" percent who are ignornat, uneducated morons like Bo and Cold Front who work at Jiffy Lubes ,Tire Stores and gas stations.



Buddy, I think you have the american public confused with illegal mexicans.
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
Go from Salem to Portland on old 99, not the I-5, on your way to the drags in Woodburn, and old 99 is Mexican City.It´s an agricultural area. Iowa, same thing, based on agriculture, not as was said, big cities. Indeed the Mexicans have arrived. All over...

Many don´t realize the extent to which Canada, US and Mexico are already working as a unit. Hybrid seed companies in certain crop categories used to be based in the US, now in Mexico. And MCI buses are made jointly US/Canadian. Others US/Mexican. MCI, Dina, and auto manufacturers also.

If the US government didn´t think it could control Mexico they never would have let Mexico corner the hybrid seed business.

It´s in the US government´s best interests to let the conspiracy theories alone. In the use or be used, or screw or get screwed, category, nobody can outdo our leaders in Washington. That´s what´s so infuriating to a lot of foreign business types who consider themselves really sharp and cutthroat, and here comes some dufus American that can´t even get a handle on the most basic local customs, and comes across way too chummy, and then he goes home and they look atthe fine print and they´ve been screwed.


Some of the future movers and shakers will be hispanic, a few more will be anglos, some black, but an increasing number will be asian, because as a group they have more really smart people, along with the Jewish. I´m neither. Just looking at the facts as I see them. Think the USA changes policy based primarily on the ballot box? Think again. The insiders look around for a candidate they can develop. That was true in Brazil with Collor as well. Wake up.

But the US people as a whole are pretty upset about illegal immigration and see this time as their last chance to do something. Maybe they will and maybe they won´t, but the politicians now in power had better get it just right or they´re toast.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
But the US people as a whole are pretty upset about illegal immigration and see this time as their last chance to do something. Maybe they will and maybe they won´t, but the politicians now in power had better get it just right or they´re toast.



You can say that again, and they know it. If the will of the majority of the american public isn't adhered to there will be a lot of incumbents lose elections. It's that simple, and they damn well know it. The american people have made a stand on this issue.....finally.
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written by Andy Murphy, February 06, 2007
Bo

What a pity, we have taken a stand against illegal immigration,but not against illegal invasions.
To the hispanic
written by A brazilian, February 06, 2007
"Viva la Raza" ? Are you some kind of hispanic Mark Wells? We don't need to join any forces against anybody because that's your problem, not ours. And it seems you have decided to fight stupidity with stupidity.

I stop by because the Brazilian and Latino community have assimilated well in Florida ... Our situations in our home countries may be very different, but our situation here in America is identical, it is best to join forces against the Rednecks like Bo and Cold Front.


Who cares about those living in the US!? They went there because they wanted to, nobody forced them. I don't care if they are cleaning toilets or just being beaten up by rednecks, it was their choice, now face the consequences of it. The US was never known to be a racial paradise and warm welcoming country, so have you found Nazis? Good luck with that, I will be watching the outcome of it through TV and newspapers.

I would rather be poor than be a hispanic. We are not in the same league.
Bo
written by GTY, February 06, 2007
Your an idiot, big business has been winning out at the expense and objection o fthe American people for decades now. Even dumb ass illegals know that. Do you really think that governemnet is "for the people, by the people"? Geez, you really are a moron!
The "Burro" Brazilian
written by GTY, February 06, 2007
Brazilian's, Guatamalens, Hondurans, Cubans, El Salvadorans, Nicarauguans, Panamanians...YOU ARE ALL THE SAME, in fact, YOU ARE ALL MEXICANS TO US. Especially those of you living and dying in the utopian s**thole called Brazil. A Mexican cleaning a toliet in the US is much better of than some middle class wanna be in the North of Brazil.
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written by american observer. southern hemisphere division, February 06, 2007
The illegal radical midget PP...Is a pathological liar!...his anger ,frustration,and hatred toward the u.s. is comical... the frothing mouthed blowhard sleeps with one eye open and has a heart attack at the sound of sirens... as the noose tightens around him and his amigos...his pathos,and paranoia intensifies ,as he realizes his underground criminal lifestyle will soon reach the end ...PP pees his pants at the sound of a knock at his door!!...
Close Ric
written by PPLL, February 06, 2007
First, the American people have no will, its why we have have gained so much strength in the first place, they havn't the will to deal with us, nor the will to deal with a war they should have won years ago. The problem now (your problem, our blessing) is that the immigration topic is no longer front and center and it will be dealt with by a majority immigrant friendly democratic governement. Are you blind? Hillary, McCain and Guliani, all the front runners are for a guest worker program that leads to permanent citizenship...Bush will sign a bill that comes up to. The 07 candidates with the toughest immigration stands were just swept from office, even in states like Arizona, Texas and Colorado. Why do you think that is, not enough white people to vote. You mention incumbants, but the more populated a city or state, the more congress people they have, most big cities have gone brown, so most of the incumbents will be bending over for their brown consituents so they can keep their cushy jobs. Bo, you are not analyzing the situation with intellect (big news), you are analyzing it with emotion. Something IS going to get done regarding immigration, but you and your cross burning buddies are sure not going to like it. Hispancis and Latinos are the new power, the new force, not the Christian right or the liberal left, but the brown middle. A community who still maintains family values and looks out for each other first. Does it piss you off that Bush appointed Mel Marteniz, or Alberto Gonzales, or Sanchez, his brother Jeb had half his cabinet Latino, I hope you enjoy living in our new society, because payback is a bitch.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
Bo
written by GTY, 2007-02-06 15:29:33

Your an idiot, big business has been winning out at the expense and objection o fthe American people for decades now.



When the vast majority, as is in the case here, is demanding for something to be done, it will be done. Wait and see, there will soon be strict laws enacted that will imprison and stiffly fine those "businesses" that knowing employ illegals.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
Does it piss you off that Bush appointed Mel Marteniz, or Alberto Gonzales, or Sanchez, his brother Jeb had half his cabinet Latino, I hope you enjoy living in our new society, because payback is a bitch.



Not whatsoever, they're their little hispanic puppets.
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written by Maria Juana, February 06, 2007
You can say whatever you want gringos. The Sothwest used to belong to Mexico and we will take it back. You think there are signs in Spanish now. In the future everything will be in Spanish.
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written by bo, February 06, 2007
The Sothwest used to belong to Mexico



Yep, it used to, notice, past tense. Louisiana also used to belong to the French, and Alaska used to belong to Russia. So much for all of that now.

BOL in trying to retake it....you'll need it.
Hey Bo ron
written by GTY, February 06, 2007
Your 43 years old?????!!! HaHaHaHaHaHa...that's the funniest thing I have ever heard. Go back and read your postings, are you retarded or something?
Stupid American f**********.S.
written by Costinha, February 06, 2007
The american keyboard commandos are out in force… All these bottom dwellers (americans) do is to whine, arrogant stupid bastards! For example:

bo – Mr. Body Odor:

Can you spell "shut your fat f.u.c.k.i.n.g. face, a$$hole" ? If we (Brazilians) want the advice of a defective testicle dullard such as your sorry self, I'll slap you on the back of the head and wake up that little peg legged hamster that operates the drool-powered waterwheel of thought in there. Until then, sit in the corner and wait until some either speaks to you or spits at you, got it F.U.C.K.O. ?

GTY – Great Turd Yankee:

Your mental compass has become magnetized somewhere along the line, Marco Polo; it's hopping from north to south like fleas from the left to the right ear of a dog. Do you really think your verbal directions are worth more than 10cc's of bottled syphilitic whore spit?

cold front – Mr. Beer Belly Fried Spam Eating White Trash:

You are living proof that Indians did f.u.c.k. Buffalos. Shut your peckerwood face is return to your double-wide trailer, SKANKY BIMBO WITH FAKE TITS!

Until the next time, you can all kiss my hairy a.s.s.!

F.U.C.K. the USA!
Geez Costinha
written by GTY, February 06, 2007
Your last posting does not make any sense. Can you do it again in English?
OK... Great Turd Yankee, try this:
written by Costinha, February 06, 2007
Blödes arschloch, Aaffenschwanz... Leck mich am arsch!

Scheißkerl, ihre Mutter ist eine hure. Willst du wohl gefälligst den Mund halten abschaum?!

Heil Bush baby..... Du kannst mich mal (am Arsch lecken)..... Hahahaha
Great Turd... By the way
written by Costinha, February 06, 2007
Sag' deiner Mama, dass sie wieder bei uns putzen darf, wir haben die fünf Euro wiedergefunden...hehehe!

GTY, Du bist dumm wie drei Meter Feldweg.

Yours truly,

Costinha
Monsieur GTY - Z great turd
written by Costinha, February 06, 2007
Va te faire enculer, emmerdeur!

Y'a pas à tortiller du cul pour chier droit et ne petez pas plus haute que votre cul. Tapes-toi une queue et va niquer ta mère espèce de connard qui se lèche le cul chaque matin en fumant des gauloises pour le petit-déj'

hehehe....Assieds-toi dessus et tourne.... Hahahaha
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
Well, PPLL, I think that as a whole latino young people come closer to the old American idea of family, religion, obeying parents, working hard, than the white kids do. The latinos are more like the Americans of the 50´s in those areas than the offspring of The Great Generation.

If someone has a problem living around people of another color or ethnic background, they can move to North Dakota or Skokie.

But looking at this in an analytical way detached from emotion, I don´t think La Raza or MEChA can pull it off. They really screwed up last year with those Mexican flags in those demonstrations. It let the cat out of the bag. Peaked too soon. Now seen by the eavesdroppers as something to keep an eye on. Remember that a whole bunch of those people, not all certainly, are 85-95 on the IQ scale. And even a a whole, I think the expectation is that given a showdown all latinos will support their ethnicity, even if perceived as not being in their own personal interests.

The idea that your leaders are going to outsmart the Jews like Ron Unz, Eli Broad, outspend them, wrest control away, I don´t see it. And you stand the chance of being grouped in peoples´minds with Nazis, skinheads, and Palestinians. No doubt you are plenty smart but don´t expect the Bumper Boyz or all the guys living around the LA county hospital and Boyle to get into a bloody war if the going gets tough, just in memory of grandpa´s life back in Matamoros. But we´ll see, won´t we?

Interesting that you picked up on the fact that Brazilians consider themselves better than Mexicans. Thought I was the only one to notice that.

The blacks are really upset that latinos took all their custodial jobs around Civic Center as a result of changing to a contract system. Think you can handle it if they join the whites in the coming conflict? Which is what some latinos are predicting, a conflict. Think ten pachucos could withstand ten Zulu Chiefs?
e para os Brasileiros
written by Costinha, February 06, 2007
que gostam de humilhar a nossa nacao na frente desses gringos "fdp", to vergonha na cara e chupa o pinto do vossos porteros, suas problematicas!

Beijo nas respectivas bundas!

Sinceramente,

Costinha

Viva of Flamengo

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written by Maria Juana, February 06, 2007
Yep, it used to, notice, past tense. Louisiana also used to belong to the French, and Alaska used to belong to Russia. So much for all of that now.

There is a difference. You stole it from us. Imperialists!
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written by Andy Murphy, February 06, 2007
Ric,

So, you have been to visit the Zulu Land too,eh? The Zulus are interesting people,too.
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
And everthing west of Santos used to belong to the Spanish. The Portuguese ended up with it, they won it in war and occupation. Whereas the Americans paid for Alaska, the Louisiana purchase, and other parcels. They bought it.
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written by Ric, February 06, 2007
No, Andy, but there is or was a group in Southern California called the Zulu Chiefs. Pretty good fighters. I was just making a point. Friends of mine mixed it up with them one day.
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written by PPLL, February 07, 2007
It's all good RIC, I didn't participate in the demonstrations and was not a supporter, these people were used by the unions and believe it or not the church, bad advice which did not serve our interests. I have to also tell you that even though I am a naturalized American, I am a proud American. I care about American values and thank God for the opportunites given to me and my family. Still, I enjoy giving the rednecks on this site the needle, it is just entertainment for me. There is and always be a brown community in America, no doubt growing in strength and numbers. We may not be in Skokie yet, but give us some time, just like all major Western States, the expansion continues, our political power grows as does our influence in American culture. You are correct Hispanics and Latinos understand and practice family values, we look out for each other and many of my brown brothers and sisters are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afganistain while the rednecks that populate this site do not have the balls do even serve "their" country.
the last word
written by U.S. Capitalism, February 07, 2007
yes, payback is a bitch! and those oil assets in latin america may start looking attractive to our accountants when its time to settle scores!!
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written by u.s. steel, February 07, 2007
brilliant! foreign governments who refuse to reign in their traffickers/illegals/contraband/drugs/money laundering/etc.,..will be held accountable and punished severely....military options should not be ruled out... top violaters of our immigration laws will have to settle accounts.... violaters with oil assets ,particulary ones that nationalized their oil facilities and screwed american investors will be looked at with keen interest... preferably from the c**kpit of a B-2 stealth ...
u.s. law
written by the united states of america, February 07, 2007
the last..last..last.. word.!!........ YOUR DEPORTED !!!!!!..................................................
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written by PPLL, February 07, 2007
Yeah, all you kids (teenagers) talking about a strike on democratic Latin & South American countries. You are getting you asses licked on a daily basis in Iraq and Afganistan, you can't keep Iran from getting a bomb. Havn't you yet realized that you and your milittary have been rendered incompetent...as I said before...bring it on...the American people don't have the stomach for it. Just more Americans in body bags and in limbless rehab. Did you guys serve, or are you just pussys takling s**t on this site? By the icing on the cake to see a Stealth get shot down by those ground to air missles Chavez just purchased from Russia. While you sleep...we prepare. America has gone soft and all gooey.
Great Point PPLL
written by Savy, February 07, 2007
The American military is no longer formibable, stretched to it's limits, they now rely on weekend warriors from the Nebraska drug stores. The vehicles and tanks don't run for lack of spare parts, morale is low, soldiers are refusing to report for movement...while Genral Officers unbelivably critisize their leaders particularly Bush. It's actually prett amazing, but the threat of US power no longer that big a deal. Sure they can bomb the s**t out of you, but any country that can withstand the inital onslaught and will stand and fight can kick there asses. There congress has no stomach for it, the American people have no stomach for it...and the American soldiers have shown themselves to be cowards and war criminals. While there is a lot of "we will kick your ass retoric" on this site. The last thing the imperialists are going to do is further isolate themselves by illegaly occupying another country. We have oil and have them completly by the balls, I love that Chavez is sqeezing them!
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written by bo, February 07, 2007
But looking at this in an analytical way detached from emotion, I don´t think La Raza or MEChA can pull it off. They really screwed up last year with those Mexican flags in those demonstrations. It let the cat out of the bag. Peaked too soon. Now seen by the eavesdroppers as something to keep an eye on. Remember that a whole bunch of those people, not all certainly, are 85-95 on the IQ scale. And even a a whole, I think the expectation is that given a showdown all latinos will support their ethnicity, even if perceived as not being in their own personal interests.

The idea that your leaders are going to outsmart the Jews like Ron Unz, Eli Broad, outspend them, wrest control away, I don´t see it.



You hit the nail on the head there Ric. When any group burns the american flag in public, for all to see, starts waving ANOTHER nations flag, and even changes the words to the national anthem, they've got the full attention of U.S. citizens, the gov't, and armed forces. When and if any conflict would ever occur, which I would lay 10,000-1 odds it never will, they simply can't be that stupid, the americans will band together, as they always do, blacks, whites, americans of all ethnicities, and it won't be a good thing for the mexicans. One has to shake his head at a country that has 10 million illegals in another country and is "demanding" their rights, descecrating that nations flag, waving another nations flag, etc. Those certainly aren't considered "americans". If one is illegal in another country they have no legal rights, only to go back to their country of origin.

As far as this horses**t about the war in Iraq, people can believe, the U.S. is not only fighting the factions in Iraq, but from all over the middle-east. As was done at the end of WWII, if the U.S. believes its going to lose millions in ground combat, and by using nuclear weapons it would actually save hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives, it's certainly not out of the question. The japonese were quite a formidable opponent until Nagasaki and Hiroshima when they saw that we could send them back to the stone age if decided.

Mexico's economy is nearly 100% dependant on the american economy. If/when the Mexican gov't. doesn't continue to work together with the american gov't. in helping to resolve these problems of waves of illegals coming through our borders, first we'll slap an economic embargo on 'em and take it from there.
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written by bo, February 07, 2007
written by Savy, 2007-02-07 09:04:14


I love that Chavez is sqeezing them!



Chavez?? Sqeezing the U.S.??? LOL...what ignorance! The man, and his country, is completely dependant upon the sale of oil to the U.S.!!! I would say he's not in the position to "squeeze" anyone, let alone the country his economy is dependant on.
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written by Ric, February 07, 2007
Oil. Venezuela owns the PDV gas stations in Brazil. Talked about buying Ipiranga, major oil distributor. "Ouviram do Ypiranga as margens placidas"...excuse any typos, didn´t look it up, but that´s from the Brazilian National Anthem. Oil company with a name that goes to the heart of Brazil´s history and it may be or has already been bought by Chaves. Wake up and get out of your Berço Esplendido. That can´t be in the national interest.

Mexico supplies 11 percent of American oil. But the main field is drying up sooner than expected, may go down to nine percent soon. Will that change Mexico´s priority position in the eyes of Washington? Dunno.
Hey Bo
written by GTY, February 07, 2007
I thought you had a BIG international business to run? Not making any foriegn investments in Brazil today? Taking the day off? HaHaHaHaHaHaHa...Maybe your 3 British partners are in the office today...HaHaHaHaHaHaHa. Or maybe mai, didn't let you out of the house today...HaHaHaHaHaHaHa! You crack me up.
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written by bo, February 07, 2007
Hey Bo
written by GTY, 2007-02-07 11:17:21

I thought you had a BIG international business to run? Not making any foriegn investments in Brazil today?



Actually I do have to go to "junto comercial" as we had to do the 4th alteração do contrato social. Our total investment amount is being changed to 6 million reais, around 3 million dollars.

Last Thursday I had an early morning meeting with the secretary of tourism of my state, then the president of the OAB of brazil, and capped off the day with a meeting with an "assesor" of the governor of our state.

What did you do??? Have a meeting with your principal?
To the hispanic lover
written by A brazilian, February 07, 2007
Brazilian's, Guatamalens, Hondurans, Cubans, El Salvadorans, Nicarauguans, Panamanians...YOU ARE ALL THE SAME, in fact, YOU ARE ALL MEXICANS TO US.


And you are dumb. So what? Should I care? I'd rather be poor than be hispanic.