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It will be hard to change the Brazilian judicial system, which is a real dinosaur, with stakeholders who don't want and aren't capable to move it in a positive direction. In short, there is no leadership here.

The Brazilians I work with (and who are naturally shocked by this crime, as is every sane person) expect the state to do "something", not realizing that:

1) they, the people, are really the state. Thus "do not ask what your country can do for you, but ...". The level of activism is very low here, as if people have been subjugated somehow, silenced, deafened.

2) the state here is actually non-existent, in the sense understood in the West, as of not being an entity capable to guarantee services which are taken for granted in other countries (security, infrastructure, ... etc).

What's worse, the situation is getting worse, not better. I think that this superficial economic "growth" and "improvement of living standard" (as Lula likes to brag about) is actually hiding the real truth: the conditions of Brazilian society are rotting from within.

it's ludicrous to have a "hard and fast" rule of 18 years of age. Believe me, many gangs and organized crime factions use this very fact when they're caught murdering someone. They'll blame it on the "minor" in the group to achieve a light sentence. They need to start having mental evaluations of these adolescents, and if they're found to have the mental capacity of an adult, to know right from wrong, which most all 15 year old adolescents that I know certainly do, that they fully were aware of the fact they were committing a crime, and in most cases premiditated, they should be judged as an adult.

The situation in Rio is so grave that I for one wouldn't mind at all seeing capitol punishment being legal there. And they should televise the executions. Maybe that would make some of these criminals think twice before senselessly murdering anyone, let along a child.

It is better to cut out all the stupid theorizing. The reality of life here in Rio or Sao Paulo is that the two young offenders will be dead, killed sooner or later, much as the perpetrators of the bus es set on fire in Sao Paulo were murdered almost as soon as they were put in jail. So please cut out all the foolish rhetoric. Get real and get a life.

Hi jeanne,
I am interested in where you obtained the specificity of the actual deaths of all the perpetrators involved in the terror attacks on the buses in Rio and Sao Paulo. Could you please include their full names and methods of the killings? I m’ just a lower representing the victims of the buses and I don’t want to waist my time nor my client’s money if you have such “inside information” available that may have been overlooked. I’m sure I can count on you help as for you not to be perceived as incredibly cynical or rhetorically stupid.
Thank you.
JLS

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written by jeanne, 2007-02-11 17:16:34

It is better to cut out all the stupid theorizing. The reality of life here in Rio or Sao Paulo is that the two young offenders will be dead, killed sooner or later, much as the perpetrators of the bus es set on fire in Sao Paulo were murdered almost as soon as they were put in jail. So please cut out all the foolish rhetoric. Get real and get a life.

So what does that solve jeanne???

SOME PEOPLE JUST NEED KILLING .

YOU KILL A BAD DOG WHEN HE DOES WHAT HE WAS TRAINED TO DO , YOU DONT KILL THE OWNER THAT SET HIM OUT ,T HE DOG WAS JUST DOING WHAT HE WAS TOLD TO DO .
THEY KILL FUTIBALL PLAYERS FOR DOING THE RONG THING DONT THEY

JEANNE IS RIGHT WHEN THE LAW DOES NOT AFFORD THE TAKING OF A LIFE FOR A LIFE THAN WHY SHOULD ONE WORRIE JUST DO YOUR TIME .

IF YOU LIVE LONG IN PRISON AND GET OUT THAN THERE IS THE BRASILIAN WAY TO MAKE ONE NO MORE , AND IN A FEW WEEKS NO ONE REMEMBERS WHAT HAPPENED

....IN A FEW WEEKS NO ONE REMEMBERS WHAT HAPPENED

And that is the problem!

I see that most of us have opinions that could and should be consider by leaders in Brazil. My question to all is...Why not capital punishment?

Unlike here in the USA I would like to see that if you are charge with a crime of this magnitude and found guilty, as soon as they walk you out of the court house put a bullet in the back of your head.

With a system like such, I'm sure that a lot of criminals would think twice before making such stupid act.

I'm a father, son, brother and most of all a Brazilian citizen. I'm ashame at times of my nationality, because of acts like this, that is happening every single day in Brazil.

The Brazilian government should have countability for what just happen and what will happen.

Any ways just my two cents!!!!!!!!!!


FUI!!!!!!

It is horrible what happened. I don know all the facts but it does not appear that the accused intended to cause harm to the young boy. I believe they may have been reckless in their behavior and could have forseen that such a result was probable. I am not familiar with Brazilian law. I wonder if they are the right individuals? Did they catch them at the scene?

Whether it is Johannesburg, Lagos, Bangkok, Detroit, or Rio de Janeiro people will have bursts of outrage and then quite soon go back to accepting things as always. This will repeat itself over and over and over. It's a condition common to many urban centers today in the world. The problem has many layers but fundamental is a dualistic aspect of having significant numbers left out the prosperity of their local societies wealth and the modern glamorization of assassination, murder, and committing torture to obtain wealth and or material items. This did not happen in one day but it formed over many decades. We say those that lived as Eastern Samurai's or Western Knights lived in an age of barbarity that lacked all common respect for decency we have in our own technologically advanced societies with greater and greater access to universal education. A many intellectual at a college that has never witnessed with his own eyes a person being beaten without any help in closed house, under the context of super narcotics like crack cocaine, can only snub his or her nose at the ancients that went before them, but never once in all their diplomas or book reading find the irony in their support of Lucky Luciano and all those came after him. Through all the layers that create the problem, one of the biggest problems among them, is that those who take local elected office usually never hail from the centers of battle zones. Most make their way up through the ranks of college and professional careers that buffers them from the staging grounds of developing gangsters, stick-up kids and "tough guys." MLK for all his diplomas wasn't made in college, Jimmy Hoffa wasn't made in college, college is good but it can't bring you that heart and desire needed to crush a giant monster.


3 years is to little for that 17 year old kid, proportionately so little time is another crime committed. Jeanne I don't doubt is right when she implies the 17 year old will be killed in jail. Most jails, prisons, and societies at large have their own "codes" as to proportions of crime allowed. But I don't wish this kid dead, nor tortured, but punished with lengthy time and a process of rehabilitation if can be.

I don't know... there are many layers to all this. Anyways, my heart goes out to the victims and loved ones.

Death penalty does not lower crime, it actually increases it! Compare crime rate per 1000 persons in Canada (no death penalty) and the US (death penalty) for example. If you are able to kill a person no death penalty will stop you from doing it (let alone in a country liek Brazil where "unofficial" death penalty does exists as one reader above rightly said (by the police or by unwritten "prison law"). Penatly laws should only by approved following thorough study of figures and data involving crime and social conditions, we should not let poorly educated people push for demagogic solutions.

Increasing the quantity of educated people and the quality of eductaion is the key to alleviate Brazilian problems, not death penaly and jails...but uneducated people want quick solutions, compelxity is not understood by the masses. Fighting poverty is the key to fighting corruptiona and crime, there'll always be corruption and crime as long as there's povery and it's hard to make ends meet. Wake up Brazilian oligarhcy befeore it'll be you who get shot tomorrow at the traffic light of your rich neighbourhood.

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written by jabmalassie, 2007-02-12 01:17:52

It is horrible what happened. I don know all the facts...

hence, you should've stopped right there. You obviously don't know Rio either, or brazil.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-12 03:34:37


Whether it is Johannesburg, Lagos, Bangkok, Detroit, or Rio de Janeiro people will have bursts of outrage and then quite soon go back to accepting things as always. This will repeat itself over and over and over. It's a condition common to many urban centers today in the world.

Please, can you name ONE international city that is not at war and in the first 11 days of this month has had over 120 murdered? People burned alive in cars...including children, teenagers murdered and their bodies cut into pieces, a child dragged through 4 neighborhoods while stuck in his seat belt and when it was all over they found his head in another place than where his body was discovered?

Just last night there were 10 people killed in a raid in a Rio favela.

Dez vítimas na Ilha e em Cordovil

Rio - No fim de semana anterior seis pessoas morreram e 10 ficaram feridas durante confrontos entre milicianos e traficantes nas favelas do Barbante e Vila Joaniza, ambas na Ilha do Governador, e na Cidade Alta, em Cordovil. O banho de sangue foi uma tentativa dos criminosos de recuperar pontos de onde haviam sido expulsos.

No primeiro ataque, às duas comunidades da Ilha, quatro pessoas morreram e duas foram baleadas, mas os bandidos que haviam saído em dezembro não conseguiram retomá-las. Já em Cordovil, traficantes retornaram ao conjunto habitacional um dia dia após invasão de milicianos, feita com ajuda de blindado da PM.

Na Cidade Alta, foi morto o sargento Alex Sarmento, lotado na Diretoria Geral de Pessoal e suspeito de integrar a milícia. O corpo do motoboy Fábio Fernandes, 29, foi deixado no porta-malas de um Peugeot. Oito pessoas ficaram feridas, entre elas um menino de 11 anos. Carros foram roubados para formar os bondes, horas antes.




Please E, name me ONE international city, that is NOT at war, that on a daily basis is having the number of people, children included, murdered in the streets.

is that those who take local elected office usually never hail from the centers of battle zones. Most make their way up through the ranks of college and professional careers that buffers them from the staging grounds of developing gangsters, stick-up kids and "tough guys." MLK for all his diplomas wasn't made in college, Jimmy Hoffa wasn't made in college, college is good but it can't bring you that heart and desire needed to crush a giant monster.

Well, you're always harping about Lula, he's certainly no college man. What the hell has he been doing about Rio over the last 4 years?

LULA IS FROM THE NORTH HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT RIO

JUST LINING HIS OWN POCKETS AND THEN BUYING A LARGE HOUSE IN SOME OTHER COUNTRY TO HIDE FROM ALL THE BAD HE LEAVES HIS COUNTRY SETTING IN

Increasing the quantity of educated people and the quality of eductaion is the key to alleviate Brazilian problems, not death penaly and jails...

I am not sure if education alone helps, unless you mean "education" as a way of living. I can tell you that most people couldn't care less about school and studying, they see it as "boring, but we need to do it anyway". They just don't see the value of it. The result of this mentality is that they don't worry about education outside of the school, as soon as the class ends they won't touch a book! They won't read anything unless they are told to, and they won't study anything unless they receive a diploma in exchange for the huge sacrifice.

I think education, especially for children, is everything, not only school but the family, the values and the environment the child grows in. Now let's see the family and the environment for those poor people:

- a bunch of miserable little people that can't afford the simplest things, that walk around in rags, and have a seriously broken minds either due to alcohol or drug abuse, or out of sheer stupidity;
- living in the dirtiest, ugliest and most dangerous places;
- who will be arrested if "trespassing" the areas of the correct human beings for not being well dressed, or by being confused with thieves;

Now imagine the same person crossing the street and seeing wealth, beautiful things and beautiful people. Do you think they would say

"Hey, I need to study a lot for improving my situation. Maybe I can get a better job and soon I will be able to afford those things, and move to a better neighborhood"

or

"Those greedy people that won't share anything. I live in the s**t and nobody cares."?

The latter option is the case for that kind of people. They can't see opportunity, they can't see the value of education, they can't see value in anything, they do what they do because they believe the society is in debt with them. Maybe because the guy living across the street has a car and he doesn't, maybe because the guy across the street has a prettier girlfriend.

This is the "entitlement" mentality of the brazilian society that kills it, and it is used by all kinds of monsters to rationalize such inhuman behavior. People believe, especially the poor, that they have the right to everything for free and the government must give everything they need (school, health, work, a nice house, etc).

I have a friend that worked in a clinic. Not sure what the law states, but they have to receive those public health people, and they came from the poorest areas of the town. Boy, the stories he told me were simply unbelievable. They punched doctors on the face, yelled at everyone, behaved completely inadequately and if something was not done according to their "rights" they would call the media "to denounce the mistreatment of the poor people".

No person that were either using their health care plans or paying from their own pockets for the doctor would act so stupidly.

Of course not everyone is like that, but trust me, there's no nobility in poverty, there's only ignorance and blindness. These young people that commit these gruesome crimes are like wild beasts that prey upon men, they are less than humans now, and incapable of living in a society, and I wouldn't be surprised if they believe they are right, if they believe the society is in debt with them.

This won't end with education alone, but by fixing the huge gap between rich and poor, creating more opportunites, and for Christ's sake, ending with this "favela culture". I hate favelas, this is not normal, human beings were not meant to live under those conditions. Favelas look like something out of a sick mind, it's disgustingly dirty and ugly, bad for the environment, it's simply ridiculous. Pigs in the farm of a friend of mine live better than that.

The Greeks left things like the Parthenon, the Romans left Rome and many other marvels of engineering, what Brazil will leave behind? FAVELAS!? Nothing is what Brazil will leave behind, because by the way those huts are built in less than 10 years everything would be gone!

written by bo, 2007-02-12 09:49:02

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-12 03:34:37


Whether it is Johannesburg, Lagos, Bangkok, Detroit, or Rio de Janeiro people will have bursts of outrage and then quite soon go back to accepting things as always. This will repeat itself over and over and over. It's a condition common to many urban centers today in the world.



Please, can you name ONE international city that is not at war and in the first 11 days of this month has had over 120 murdered? People burned alive in cars...including children, teenagers murdered and their bodies cut into pieces, a child dragged through 4 neighborhoods while stuck in his seat belt and when it was all over they found his head in another place than where his body was discovered?

Just last night there were 10 people killed in a raid in a Rio favela.

Dez vítimas na Ilha e em Cordovil

Rio - No fim de semana anterior seis pessoas morreram e 10 ficaram feridas durante confrontos entre milicianos e traficantes nas favelas do Barbante e Vila Joaniza, ambas na Ilha do Governador, e na Cidade Alta, em Cordovil. O banho de sangue foi uma tentativa dos criminosos de recuperar pontos de onde haviam sido expulsos.

No primeiro ataque, às duas comunidades da Ilha, quatro pessoas morreram e duas foram baleadas, mas os bandidos que haviam saído em dezembro não conseguiram retomá-las. Já em Cordovil, traficantes retornaram ao conjunto habitacional um dia dia após invasão de milicianos, feita com ajuda de blindado da PM.

Na Cidade Alta, foi morto o sargento Alex Sarmento, lotado na Diretoria Geral de Pessoal e suspeito de integrar a milícia. O corpo do motoboy Fábio Fernandes, 29, foi deixado no porta-malas de um Peugeot. Oito pessoas ficaram feridas, entre elas um menino de 11 anos. Carros foram roubados para formar os bondes, horas antes.




Please E, name me ONE international city, that is NOT at war, that on a daily basis is having the number of people, children included, murdered in the streets.

is that those who take local elected office usually never hail from the centers of battle zones. Most make their way up through the ranks of college and professional careers that buffers them from the staging grounds of developing gangsters, stick-up kids and "tough guys." MLK for all his diplomas wasn't made in college, Jimmy Hoffa wasn't made in college, college is good but it can't bring you that heart and desire needed to crush a giant monster.



Well, you're always harping about Lula, he's certainly no college man. What the hell has he been doing about Rio over the last 4 years?

Bo,

Rio is a big city, 100 people murdered in 10 days is probably like 10 people being killed in town my size in 10 days. My town has less than a million people - few cities in the world have as many people as cities like Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Rio's murder rate was much higher in the 1980's than what it has been for the last couple or few years. So Rio's murder rate has declined.

Another thing is that while this viscous and tragic incident, with this child decapitation in a carjacking, demonstrates the violence endemic in Rio, one must understand even in a city with as many millions of people as Rio, this crime is a rarity that gives it a news value of novelty. If it was common place it would not be shocking to Brazilians or Rio residents - for everyday or almost everyday a child would be getting decapitated in a carjacking.

As for Lula he is a great man that has risen to great heights from such humble beginnings - a testament to anything being possible in Brazil. He is President of a country and not Mayor of Rio - Lula can not micro manage a city - especially a city steeped in generational gang affiliations. Rio has to change itself.

Also... people in Rio take to the beaches in little clothing and they do other outdoor recreational things so the people aren't so afraid of violence that they stop enjoying life. Perhaps the Brazilian has more courage than the average gringo and they will walk and smile in open where the gringo would run and hide? I don't know.

Give me a break, even though this partcularly hideous crime has gained worldwide attention, crimes of this nature are not uncommon in the big cities of Brazil. Oh sure, Carioca's will feign shock and anger, but the next day they are off to the beach, beer and Samba, it is sthe most disfunctional society one can imagine. Other posters have stated the difficulty in "fixing" the justice system, lack of courage means no change. Hell, how can you change a system were the Drug Lords command their troops from prison from their cell phones? I am not a fan of capital punishment as well, but how does Brazil, where every prison is just a spark away from a riot, increase the population in an already unbelievably crowded system. It's why police, kill criminals with impunity, often with the support of the community, even the worst of the worst will be back out in just a few years.

An interesting oxymoron is Hati. Were Brazilian troops led by a Brazilian general, lead consistantly succesful raids in the dangerous and drug ridden shanty towns in Haiti. The Brazilian General was almost recalled several years back when he echoed the thoughts of one poster "some people just need killing", I hope that this is a training mission and one day these same troops will have the balls to take back their cities. Until then, the folks in Rio will continue to be "shocked" by unimaginable crimes, crimes where women and children are frequently the victims.

I know that there are many proud Brazilians that frequent this site, it is amazing how they defend the status quo. It's about leadership, strong smart intelligent leadership. Brazil and the US do have one thing in common, that is lacking in both country's.

I think Jamaica has quite a few so far. Most of the violence is in Kingston. It doesn't sound as bad. Hey Bo why should I just stop at it was horrible what happend?
We can ask questions. What will the charges be?

Your comments are moronic and uninformed. Brazil as a country, has the highest per capital murder rate in the world. Yes, higher than Jamaica. People like you who distort or try and reason away reality show the worst of Brazil. The problem IS courage...Brazil does not have, or never has had the courage to deal with criminals and crime, instead the they live with it and wonder when they will be a victim, its the single biggest reason Brazilians risk their lives to immigrate to Western countries. Bo, why do people not stop at red lights after dark in Rio? Might it be fear?

Say what you will about the US, you will never find places like the favelas where criminals operate with inpunity, police stations are not shot up in NY or LA. What is most troubling, and typical of Brazilians, is the fact you never condemded the crime of a little boy being dragged until his head came off, instead opting to give a reason and say "things are not that bad" it shows what type of heart you have and what type of person you are. Again, typical of Brazilians, if it didn't happen to you, you just don't care. You as a Brazilian have become numb to the violence and problems around you.

As far as Lula being great, there is no one in the modern world that thinks that, at best he is adaquate, at worst ineffective. What has he really done in 5 years...inflation is out of control, so is crime, thousands of Indians (Brazilian) citizens are starving, modern day slavery is rampant in the North, Brazil is the leading exporter of child pornography and child sex tourism...yes, you really have great leadership, I would hate to see what it would look like with bad leadership. To most people, Brazil is the laughing stock of the world, but not in my case, I think it is tragic. Instead of making excuses for the murder of a child, you should be asking for the worlds prayers...your arguments beget your lack of a good education and morality of a good citizen.

So sad. It could have happened anywhere. US, Europe, anywhere else. It is just a violent world we live in and people have become hardened to caring about others. Too bad this poor child paid the price for it. People have been dragged to death, kids, adults, in other incidents in various places from Texas to Africa. It's easy to write it off as a Brazilian thing but it isn't. Brazil has its problems like anywhere else. And Rio in particular. But this is just a sign of the way we are becoming desensitized. There was a day when they would have stopped to save the child the minute they realized he was there, but those days are gone. Too bad. It is a loss for all of us.

Homicide is now the leading cause of death for persons aged 15--44 years. To describe trends and characteristics of homicides countrywide and in São Paulo city (2000 population: approximately 10.4 million) (BGSI, unpublished data, 2004), the State Health Department of São Paulo (SHDSP) analyzed vital statistics and census data for 1980--2002. This report summarizes the results of that analysis, which indicated that the homicide rate in Brazil more than doubled during this period (Figure 1). Since 2001, Brazilian authorities have implemented several initiatives to reduce the number of homicides, including a law that controls gun ownership and prohibits anyone other than police and members of the armed forces from carrying guns. However, homicides among adolescents and young adults remain a substantial public health problem in Brazil, and additional prevention strategies that target young persons are needed.

Bo States: Rio's murder rate was much higher in the 1980's than what it has been for the last couple or few years. So Rio's murder rate has declined.

Get a clue Bo!

I don't claim to know it all, and I really don't have confidence in the stats. The media makes Rio and SP seem like one of the worst places for crime. It is safe to say it is a real problem. To say otherwise is just denial. The stats seem to say that places like Jamaica, South Africa and Colombia have worse rates of crime per capita. I think the stats lag reality. Is there a way to find out?

The problem IS courage...Brazil does not have, or never has had the courage to deal with criminals and crime, instead the they live with it and wonder when they will be a victim

Are you saying that people voluntarily accepts to live in a society with crime? Responsibility should be attributed to those that have the power. No Zé Ninguém has any power to do anything except complaining about it or trying to vote for someone else in the next election.

There's a problem, but it's not about courage, and not about brazilians in general, but of a few incompetent individuals.

its the single biggest reason Brazilians risk their lives to immigrate to Western countries.

Yes, that's because Brazil is in Asia, right? I don't understand how the logic of gringos work. What is a "Western" country for you? I am asking seriously, I really want to know because it's not fun anymore. We all know that you suck at geography, but this is getting old.

Inform yourself better, people immigrate because of the prospect of getting a better life just by doing manual work, and in most of the cases this is purely illusory because they could have it here if they were more intelligent. Usually the less capable feel very compelled to go to the US just because of the idea that you can have a nice life without studying, just by doing manual work.

After I came back to Brazil some neighbor of mine asked " Are you back? I thought you were to be rich". The guy is a delivery guy. For these kind of people there no other means of getting a good life other than through their hands.

You as a Brazilian have become numb to the violence and problems around you.

If everyone does what it is best for themselves the society only wins, a machine works great because every piece of it performs as expected. Stop using your heart and "emotionalize" the discussion and use your brain, it's counter productive and won't solve to try to "hug the world".

There is no other way of living, or you go mad with things you have absolutely no power over. This is not saying that Brazil is as bad as picture here by gringos, this type of crime, of people being dragged by cars is not common at all, and we have seen more barbaric stuff (more exactly two things, this and the bus burnt) only recently from Rio due to criminal organizations trying to terrorize the population.

Recently they did a manifestation for the peace in Rio, laughable. A demonstration of democracy? Freedom of speech? Demonstration of how the population is concerned? I call it pathetic. It doesn't solve anything.

inflation is out of control

This is incorrect. Inflation has been very much under control for a long time, economically Brazil has been very stable, perhaps too stable, the government is worried about making it grow more. Today is paradise if compared to 20 years ago.

thousands of Indians (Brazilian) citizens are starving

Where did you get that? There are lots of people starving, but what makes you think Indians are starving!? Hahaha

modern day slavery is rampant in the North

Not really. The cases are isolated and solved as they are found. The exact opposite of the US, that openly exploit the work of illegal immigrants in semi-slave works and makes nothing to change that. Some americans even feel proud of it.

Brazil is the leading exporter of child pornography and child sex tourism

Not really. BTW, where did you get this information from?

To most people, Brazil is the laughing stock of the world, but not in my case, I think it is tragic.

To the most ignorant people, you mean.

Instead of making excuses for the murder of a child, you should be asking for the worlds prayers

Praying solves nothing.

your arguments beget your lack of a good education and morality of a good citizen

Ad hominem.

Continue...

Well, this would be just a stupid post, but it also reflects the usual "bigot" view prevalent in the gringoland. The main theme of the many posts written by foreigners, at least most of them, includes the usual assumption that everything bad happens in Brazil, every bad allegation is truth until proven otherwise, and they know all the answers to fix everything, but brazilians are too stupid to listen to their deep wisdom or figure it out.

When they actually have any data to back anything they are saying up, usually it is a topic loosely connected with their argumentation, whose premises do not fully support the conclusion they want to make.

Big capitals such as Rio and Sao Paulo have security problems, but even there, with many millions of population, the problem is not as big as some try to paint it. We don't see people being killed on the streets (just like it would be in a war) and we don't see that many violence everywhere. Those cities are huge, and I am sure that the "rate" proves nothing. There are some neighborhoods that have more violence than others, and that could make the rate go to the skies, giving the impression that the whole city is crime infested.

I don't claim to know it all, and I really don't have confidence in the stats. The media makes Rio and SP seem like one of the worst places for crime. It is safe to say it is a real problem. To say otherwise is just denial. The stats seem to say that places like Jamaica, South Africa and Colombia have worse rates of crime per capita. I think the stats lag reality. Is there a way to find out?

I don't understand, are you saying that you don't believe the stats that say that other places have higher murder per capita because "it's Brazil, and it should be worse of course"?

I agree with many of the blogs but first of all I would like to point out that I'm well aware that one thing is the situation in metropolis like Sao Paolo & Rio and other 500.000 inhab. cities and one thing si the rest of Brazil. Statistical average sometimes are misleading but what we shoudl really look at is the homicide rate for young males in favela areas. I do not know if it is possible to get data for that from Brazilian statistical and geographic institute (how accurate are census data regarding favelas? Do cenus official actually collect complete data in those areas?) but it would be very interesting if a Brazilian reseacrher would carry out such a study. I think it would be thus clear that a real warfare is going on in Brazilian metropolis. Brazil is a beautiful country that we all love otherwise we wouldn't be here on this website but it is not by hiding its serious problems that we show this love. If anyone has data concening the above mentioned aspects I would be grateful if you could send a link to this forum. Ciao!

Anyway if you put Switzerland and Nigeria side by side as it happens in Brazilian cities you get that kind of crazy crime. Nobody owns a magic stick to change this war situation in Brazilian metropolis, but some thinsg can be done to alleviate these problems: making favelas a bit more human providing social services and sewage, keeping kids out of the streets with afternoon schooling, democratize the military police so that it provides security and not unexpected random shooting, parental planning for young people to decrease the number of single-mother families...all this can be finances by taxing more rich people and fighting white collar corruption.

This won't end with education alone, but by fixing the huge gap between rich and poor, creating more opportunites, and for Christ's sake, ending with this "favela culture"

What do you think will fix the huge gap between the rich and the poor? What do you think will create more opportunities??? What do you think will end this "favela culture" you talk about????

I'll give you a hint.....EDUCATION.

Bo
written by GTY, 2007-02-13 00:14:27

Your comments are moronic and uninformed.

Brazils murder rate doubles from 1980-2002
written by GTY, 2007-02-13 00:22:17



Bo States: Rio's murder rate was much higher in the 1980's than what it has been for the last couple or few years. So Rio's murder rate has declined.

Get a clue Bo!

LOL....obviously you're the one that needs to get a clue, a big one. Can you read??? E Harmony made those posts my dyslexic friend, not me.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-12 19:48:05


Rio is a big city, 100 people murdered in 10 days is probably like 10 people being killed in town my size in 10 days. My town has less than a million people - few cities in the world have as many people as cities like Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Rio's murder rate was much higher in the 1980's than what it has been for the last couple or few years. So Rio's murder rate has declined.

New York is roughly the same size as Rio, you don't see this day-to-day violence and murders happening there now do ya? The city of Rio has a population of 6 million, metro Rio has roughly 11 million. Don't try and say that this is "normal" in all cities the size of Rio, Rio is HALF the size of Sao Paulo, so don't try and compare those two. And, Rio is MORE violence than Sao Paulo!!! With twice the number of people....explain that!

Again, you avoided my question....please, name one international city that is NOT at WAR that has had 120 people murdered in the first 11 days of February. You can't do it, because there isn't one.

And once again, for your information GTY, I'm an american living in Brazil, E harmony, which is whom you should've been making your remarks to claims to be an american as well. Although I think she is a first generation american, and I also think she is a female although he/she states otherwise.

Another thing is that while this viscous and tragic incident, with this child decapitation in a carjacking, demonstrates the violence endemic in Rio, one must understand even in a city with as many millions of people as Rio, this crime is a rarity that gives it a news value of novelty. If it was common place it would not be shocking to Brazilians or Rio residents - for everyday or almost everyday a child would be getting decapitated in a carjacking.

LOL....you're truly an idiot. Never stepped foot in the country, but you READ about brazil. Well start reading!!! What other cities on a daily basis have police stations attacked?? What other city on a DAILY basis have numerous car jackings and people inside the cars are killed, either shot, or even burned to death while in the car?? How many cities from time to time have GROUPS of people killed, and like last week, TWO of those GROUPS of people were MUTILATED!!

Yea, that's normal.

You can't be that stupid, you must be posting just to get a reaction, because I simply can't believe there are people that exist that are this ignorant.

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written by A brazilian, 2007-02-13 01:40:52

Are you saying that people voluntarily accepts to live in a society with crime? Responsibility should be attributed to those that have the power. No Zé Ninguém has any power to do anything except complaining about it or trying to vote for someone else in the next election.

There's a problem, but it's not about courage, and not about brazilians in general, but of a few incompetent individuals.

A few incompetent individuals??? LMAO!! You mean that the problem in Rio can be fixed by simply removing a "few" incompetent individuals and replacing them with competent individuals???? And I thought the situation was complicated!!

A brazilian, when your government leaders don't respond to the desires of the people, when they put their personal interests in front of the interests of the people, when the very system they participate in is one of CORRUPTION, the PEOPLE have a RESPONSIBILITY to take action!!!

It's the very reason why in the U.S. that the right to "hold and bear arms" is sacred, guns will NEVER be outlawed in the U.S. It's part of our culture. The people know that if the federal gov't. ever gets too strong, and ignores the will of the majority of the people, then the people have an OBLIGATION to revolt!!

Are there any reliable statistics on the murder rate in Brazil???

Wanna have some fun, put on your best watch, hang your best camera around your neck and take a walk in Copacabana. Before you go, make a bet with your friends as to how long before you will be knocked to the ground and kicked in your head.

In the big cities of the West, you can go ANYWHERE and wear anything without fearing for your life...big difference.

13/02/2007 - 04h32
Ataques de homens armados deixam oito mortos nos EUA
Publicidade
da Folha Online

Ataques de atiradores solitários em dois Estados diferentes dos EUA deixaram pelo menos oito mortos nesta segunda-feira (12).

Em um dos tiroteios, um homem armado assassinou cinco pessoas dentro de um shopping center em Salt Lake, no Estado de Utah, até ser morto por um policial de folga.

No outro incidente, um atirador matou três pessoas numa reunião entre diretores de uma empresa na Filadélfia, no Estado da Pensilvânia, e depois se matou, segundo a polícia local.

Morte no shopping

O shopping Trolley Square, de Salt Lake, foi invadido por um homem com uma espingarda, que passou a disparar aleatoriamente contra os clientes, no início da noite (horário local). Além das cinco mortes, pelo menos quatro pessoas ficaram feridas, três delas em estado grave.

As vítimas foram baleadas em pontos diferentes do shopping. Aparentemente, o assassino atirou ao acaso. As pessoas foram mortas simplesmente porque estavam passando.

A matança foi interrompida pela ação de um policial de folga, que, segundo testemunhas, baleou o atirador numa loja de roupas infantis. O policial não se feriu.

Negócios interrompidos

O tiroteio da Filadélfia ocorreu numa sala de conferências do Centro de Negócios Navais, por volta das 20h30 de segunda (horário local). O assassino alvejou quatro pessoas: três morreram e a outra permanece internada em estado grave.

Outras duas pessoas estavam na sala, mas não foram atingidas. O local se transformou num cenário de "caos absoluto", nas palavras do comissário de polícia Richard Ross.

Segundo a polícia, o homem conseguiu entrar na sala dizendo que tinha um "assunto de dinheiro" a tratar com os diretores. Armado com uma pistola, ele disparou contra as pessoas da sala e em seguida trocou tiros com a polícia.

Após atirar contra os policiais, o assassino teria se escondido atrás de uma porta e atirado em si mesmo, segundo a polícia.

Com agências internacionais

A brazilian, when your government leaders don't respond to the desires of the people, when they put their personal interests in front of the interests of the people, when the very system they participate in is one of CORRUPTION, the PEOPLE have a RESPONSIBILITY to take action!!!

You seem to be willing to incite some civil war, I don't see how that would benefit anybody and this is defnitely not the reality of Brazil. The problem of corruption and crime won't be solved by emotional-driven speeches, broad generalizations and mea culpa. This exact behavior of yours serves only to cloud the judgement instead of providing alternatives.

People must be aware of their individual responsibilities, as citizens, of what they must do in order to improve society. I do my part, so do millions of other brazilians. But, no team, or nation, or machine, or system, will work as expected if some parts of it, or members, or citizens don't their part. When everyone does what is best for themselves the society, as a whole, wins.

Pinpointing responsibilities, be it the secretary of security or some other authority is necessary. They are the ones with the power granted by the state to take actions to combat this, and they must face the consequences if they aren't competent enough. What the Zé Ninguém linving in the middle of nowhere can do? Nothing.

There manifestations for the peace in Rio, what did it solve? Public involvement in politics is so overrated.

Don't think in the US the people is more politically conscious, they may want to be but the great mass of morons will be manipulated like pawns to carry a few on their shoulders, the true democratic modus operandi, lies, lies and more lies.

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written by jabmalassie, 2007-02-13 10:31:16

Are there any reliable statistics on the murder rate in Brazil???

Brazil murder rate similar to war zone, data shows
BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said on Monday.

BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said on Monday.

Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 -- a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates.

Brazil, a continent-sized nation of 185 million people starkly divided into rich and poor, has had notoriously high crime rates for years. Millions of poor live in urban slums and unpoliced rural areas where guns are easy to come by.

Though the murder rate is high, Marcelo Durante, coordinator of the Justice Ministry's report, said homicides have fallen slowly in recent years thanks in part to an initiative to collect guns from the streets.

Citizens have voluntarily turned in thousands of weapons in places like Rio de Janeiro, the famous beachside city whose urban slums have some of the highest crime rates in Brazil.

A referendum in 2005 to ban gun sales failed, in part because some voters had lost faith in police.

"It was the states that collected the most guns that saw crime rates fall most," said Durante, "but we have to remember it's not just about guns."

Other kinds of violent crime in Brazil are far more common than statistics show, Durante said, adding that urban surveys suggest only a quarter of all robberies and 15 percent of all rapes are reported nationwide.

"At least with homicide, we can be a little more confident most of the crimes are getting reported," he said.

Murders also declined in Brazil's largest city of Sao Paulo in recent years, Durante said. Earlier this year, however, a gang known as First Command of the Capital launched a series of attacks on police, banks and buses in which about 200 police, gangsters and innocent civilians were killed.

You seem to be willing to incite some civil war, I don't see how that would benefit anybody...

And that's the problem. Brazil has NEVER had any type of revolution. Your electors continue to rob the country blind while millions upon millions live in squalor and a "handful" enjoy their positions of authority and wealth. It's coming back to haunt brazilians, Rio is a microcosm of what will happen throughout this entire country if the gap between income distribution is not closed within the next 30 years, and current trends have the gap widening, not closing.

Don't even try and compare the the "politcally consciousness" of the U.S. with brazil. In the first place your talking about a country where nearly EVERYONE has at least a high school education, and large percentages have COLLEGE(university) educations, whereas brazil there are HUGE problems in education and literacy.

We've already had our revolution, and groups protest everday in the U.S., reporters report everyday in the U.S., without the fear of being murdered. As in the journalist that just took 8 bullets to the head here in brazil and reported on this very site. When you talk about "brazil" a brazilian, you always leave off a HUGE percentage of your own people, those that are POOR, which account for approximately 25% of the brazilian population. I know your type would love to forget about them, but they're not going away, and their numbers are growing.

Bastard north americans !
written by Old one, 2007-02-13 11:45:25

13/02/2007 - 04h32
Ataques de homens armados deixam oito mortos nos EUA
Publicidade
da Folha Online

Ataques de atiradores solitários em dois Estados diferentes dos EUA deixaram pelo menos oito mortos nesta segunda-feira (12).

Em um dos tiroteios, um homem armado assassinou cinco pessoas dentro de um shopping center em Salt Lake, no Estado de Utah, até ser morto por um policial de folga.

No outro incidente, um atirador matou três pessoas numa reunião entre diretores de uma empresa na Filadélfia, no Estado da Pensilvânia, e depois se matou, segundo a polícia local.

Morte no shopping

O shopping Trolley Square, de Salt Lake, foi invadido por um homem com uma espingarda, que passou a disparar aleatoriamente contra os clientes, no início da noite (horário local). Além das cinco mortes, pelo menos quatro pessoas ficaram feridas, três delas em estado grave.

As vítimas foram baleadas em pontos diferentes do shopping. Aparentemente, o assassino atirou ao acaso. As pessoas foram mortas simplesmente porque estavam passando.

A matança foi interrompida pela ação de um policial de folga, que, segundo testemunhas, baleou o atirador numa loja de roupas infantis. O policial não se feriu.

Negócios interrompidos

O tiroteio da Filadélfia ocorreu numa sala de conferências do Centro de Negócios Navais, por volta das 20h30 de segunda (horário local). O assassino alvejou quatro pessoas: três morreram e a outra permanece internada em estado grave.

Outras duas pessoas estavam na sala, mas não foram atingidas. O local se transformou num cenário de "caos absoluto", nas palavras do comissário de polícia Richard Ross.

Segundo a polícia, o homem conseguiu entrar na sala dizendo que tinha um "assunto de dinheiro" a tratar com os diretores. Armado com uma pistola, ele disparou contra as pessoas da sala e em seguida trocou tiros com a polícia.

Após atirar contra os policiais, o assassino teria se escondido atrás de uma porta e atirado em si mesmo, segundo a polícia.

Com agências internacionais

oooooooh!! You got an entire 11 people murdered from Utah to Pennsylvania!!!! From the west coast to the east!! LOL!!

You can get that in Chacinas in around 20 minutes....

Pelo menos 27 pessoas, incluindo crianças, morreram hoje de madrugada em duas chacinas na região metropolitana do Rio de Janeiro, anunciaram fontes policiais. Outras duas pessoas estão internadas em estado grave em hospitais das cidades de Nova Iguaçú e Queimados, na região conhecida como Baixada Fluminense.

And that type of s**t is COMMON!!! No big deal, just another day in Rio!!!

And I'm not even mentioning the MOST dangerous place in Brazil....it's NOT in Rio!! It's in Pernambuco, a suburb of Recife!! Where they have a whopping murder rate of 180 per 100,000!!!

To put things in perspective, the MOST dangerous city in the U.S. is New Orleans with a murder rate of 42 per 100,000!!

And that's the problem. Brazil has NEVER had any type of revolution. Your electors continue to rob the country blind while millions upon millions live in squalor and a "handful" enjoy their positions of authority and wealth. It's coming back to haunt brazilians, Rio is a microcosm of what will happen throughout this entire country if the gap between income distribution is not closed within the next 30 years, and current trends have the gap widening, not closing.

What is your point, a revolution for the sake of a revolution? To scare investors and skilled people away? To bring even more misery and death? To make this country go back 50 years in history? This is just as stupid as the bolivian president nationalizing every international company, completely backwards. The times of "revolutions" are long gone.

Gap widening? Just like the US?

We've already had our revolution, and groups protest everday in the U.S., reporters report everyday in the U.S., without the fear of being murdered. As in the journalist that just took 8 bullets to the head here in brazil and reported on this very site. When you talk about "brazil" a brazilian, you always leave off a HUGE percentage of your own people, those that are POOR, which account for approximately 25% of the brazilian population. I know your type would love to forget about them, but they're not going away, and their numbers are growing.

What revolution happened in the 20th century? Protests don't make things change, not in regards to crime, effectively fighting of the causes of it do.

The big mass of morons in the US is manipulated in what a few groups with power want, that's the reality of democracy. Just take a look at the coverage of the "War on Terror", right in the beginning. Reporters received complaints from people and were risked losing their jobs if they expressed opinions against the war. Now, after the humiliating situation of getting your asses kicked by some 3rd world terrorists, ít's easy to speak against it.

Stop this talk of telling us what we need to do, you have no clue of what you are talking about. I can assure you that getting guns and start some revolution to bring this country down once and for all is the stupidest idea ever conceived. There must be some hidden desire in americans to see Brazil in civil war and genocide. Despite of all the bad media, today, with the country economically stable, it's not even close to that.

roughly 29 murders per 100,000 (I would think more, unreported cases not included)
If you go to nationmaster.com Colombia, South Africa, Venezuela and Jamaica are higher. I hear Colombia the murder rate is now down to about 18 per 100,000. Jamaicas were up to something like 58/100,000 and SA about the same. I think places like Hati are worse but you never get the statistics I think Brazil is could be alot worse than the statistics say.
Brazil is a huge place and I am sure that there are some areas that are as safe as anywehre else. It's like judging the U.S. by New Orleans alone. I think it is impossible to get an exact figure but you can't deny that crime is a problem in these places.

Bastard north americans ?

What did the Canadians and Mexicans do?

I think Brazil is could be alot worse than the statistics say.

But you still didn't say why you think in Brazil, and in Brazil alone, it could be a lot worse. Why don't you all the statistics for all the places, why specifically Brazil needs to be worse for you?

#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

These are a couple of years old. Based on roughly 29 murders per 100k you would think they would be in the top ten. You would think Haiti would up there as well.
Colombias murder rate is supposedly down to around 18 per 100k based on a recent program on the CBC. The only reason I mention Brazil is because of the stories by Bo and on this site and the media ect. The stats don't seem to match the stories.

SEE IF WE BRING BACK THE BRAZILIAN MILITARY FROM HAITI AND PUT THEM ON THE STREETS

SHURE WE WILL LOOSE A FEW BUT WITH THE LARGE SWORD OF THE MILITARY CLOSE OFF THE PLACE AND TAKE AIM

AS FAR AS COLUMBIA THERE PRESIDENT HAS BALLS TO FIGHT THOES WHOM HARM THE COUNTRY FROM TOP TO BOTTOM HE HAS CLEANED HOUSE

AND HIS GNP IS 8% per year

New York is roughly the same size as Rio, you don't see this day-to-day violence and murders happening there now do ya? The city of Rio has a population of 6 million, metro Rio has roughly 11 million. Don't try and say that this is "normal" in all cities the size of Rio, Rio is HALF the size of Sao Paulo, so don't try and compare those two. And, Rio is MORE violence than Sao Paulo!!! With twice the number of people....explain that!

Again, you avoided my question....please, name one international city that is NOT at WAR that has had 120 people murdered in the first 11 days of February. You can't do it, because there isn't one.

And once again, for your information GTY, I'm an american living in Brazil, E harmony, which is whom you should've been making your remarks to claims to be an american as well. Although I think she is a first generation american, and I also think she is a female although he/she states otherwise.

I never stated the murder rate in Rio was normal for cities its size, I stated that a 100 murders in 10 days would probably be something like 10 murders commited in 10 days in a town like mine. My city has roughly 500,000 people. In otherwords, numbers wise I'm looking at this more in terms of how a sociologist might in quantative facts, that reduces uneducated stereotype the halmark of highschool lunch room chater.

You ask about an "international city" well I know of none of hand that has a homicide rate as high as Rio de Janeiro. However, while that certainly casts a shadow on Rio, it also speaks to its amazing vitality, allure, and many of its charming people that it is an international city even given its homicide rate. It also should be noted, since New York has been brought up by you, for decades New Yorkers and the city of New York prided itself on its violence, dangers, and cultures of hustle, lies, and manipulation. Everyone in the U.S. has heard New Yorkers brag about how dangerous and greedy and cut throat their city is - at least in the past they did. So, in that relation, I guess Rio and Sao Paulo build stronger and more streetwise people than New York, and Rio makes New York look like a small town in Utah in that sense.

But duplicity and inconsistency in standards is a trait in the American (USA) character. Just look at how black Americans and other Americans note Anita Florence Hemmings as the first black woman graduate from Vassar. Yet while Americans (USA) will pride themselves on her they would turn around and berate Brazilians for a "white person" like her being the elite of Brazilian society.
Anita Florence Hemmings:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mulattodebate/vpost?id=1693839

. Likewise, Americans (USA) have never had a problem boasting the violence and dangers of their cities and how it makes them better, tougher, and more street savvy, if they are from New York or L.A., in comparison to small towns in the U.S. and larger metros in Europe. But duplicity and inconsistent standards are applied when looking southward to Latin America. H*ll, Americans brag in the rap music they created about the violence of their towns and their own personal will to murder at the slightest infraction to their personal space, egos, or what they want from what you have. They exports this music that brags around the world. So if Americans (USA) consider it bragging rights I guess Rio out trumps New York and L.A. and looks at the two U.S. cities as wannabe prima donnas.

Finally, Rio and Sao Paulo have such huge populations that they are like 7 ft tall 400 lbs men compared to most U.S. cities that are like 18 in 7 lbs infants next to her. Without a doubt, what would break an American city (USA) can not break Rio or Sao Paulo. It's like a Thai boxer kicking the thighs of the 400 lbs man and elbowing his big, ox, jaw. Bruised he recovers, and labors for the next day. The infant U.S. city however can not with stand such forceful and violent kicks.

So yes, Rio knows violence, and her boys, girls, men, women and transsexuals are resilient - so that is admirable. However, crimes like this on this small innocent child being murdered in the most horrendous way is the most despicable and irreverent thing on earth - my stomach can almost not even handle the thought of what was done to that poor child. I can't imagine what that child's family is enduring or how they continue to go on. May justice be done.

Er... I meant to post an actual link for Anita Florence Hemmings, here picture can be seen here as well her story read: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/...id=1693839. Beautiful woman.

So yes, Rio knows violence, and her boys, girls, men, women and transsexuals are resilient

And we know how our resident, racially confussed, sex crimes convicted, fruitloop thinks about Trannys!

http://www.brazzilbrief.com/viewtopic.php?t=7960012&start=0
http://www.brazzilboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=420&start=0
http://www.brazzilbrief.com/viewtopic.php?t=6371&start=0

You folks are dealing with one scary MOFO! Be afraid, be VERY afraid.

written by bo, 2007-02-13 09:44:46

Another thing is that while this viscous and tragic incident, with this child decapitation in a carjacking, demonstrates the violence endemic in Rio, one must understand even in a city with as many millions of people as Rio, this crime is a rarity that gives it a news value of novelty. If it was common place it would not be shocking to Brazilians or Rio residents - for everyday or almost everyday a child would be getting decapitated in a carjacking.



LOL....you're truly an idiot. Never stepped foot in the country, but you READ about brazil. Well start reading!!! What other cities on a daily basis have police stations attacked?? What other city on a DAILY basis have numerous car jackings and people inside the cars are killed, either shot, or even burned to death while in the car?? How many cities from time to time have GROUPS of people killed, and like last week, TWO of those GROUPS of people were MUTILATED!!

Yea, that's normal.

You can't be that stupid, you must be posting just to get a reaction, because I simply can't believe there are people that exist that are this ignorant.

Bo, once again, one of my black uncles has been to Brazil more than once and was once engaged to a Brazilian woman. My uncle has been to Rio and reports none immediate dangers of doom you do. When I asked him the past about the violence in Rio he simply says there are areas more dangerous than others just as their is in any U.S. city. I think you just demonstrate the de facto hyper racial segregation in the U.S., because black Americans that go to Rio and Brazil rarely whine about the potential of getting robbed or killed. In fact, many white Americans probably don't whine about it either since so many either travel there for vacation or move there for good.

you got those figures from the site link below...

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

Brazil does not appear at ALL, meaning NEW ZEALAND and CANADA have higher murder rates, or the creators of said site are idiots and forgot to include one of the world's largest nations. take your pick.

Well, Bo, seems like your uncle nailed it. I couldn´t be more convinced if your aunt and cousins got on board and agreed with Unc.

And of course the white Americans that have actually been murdered in Rio haven´t said one word in protest.

I meant, not Bo, but E Harmony. Sorry, Bo.

written by GTY, 2007-02-13 00:22:17

Homicide is now the leading cause of death for persons aged 15--44 years. To describe trends and characteristics of homicides countrywide and in São Paulo city (2000 population: approximately 10.4 million) (BGSI, unpublished data, 2004), the State Health Department of São Paulo (SHDSP) analyzed vital statistics and census data for 1980--2002. This report summarizes the results of that analysis, which indicated that the homicide rate in Brazil more than doubled during this period (Figure 1). Since 2001, Brazilian authorities have implemented several initiatives to reduce the number of homicides, including a law that controls gun ownership and prohibits anyone other than police and members of the armed forces from carrying guns. However, homicides among adolescents and young adults remain a substantial public health problem in Brazil, and additional prevention strategies that target young persons are needed.

Bo States: Rio's murder rate was much higher in the 1980's than what it has been for the last couple or few years. So Rio's murder rate has declined.

Get a clue Bo!

Brazil is a country, Rio de Janeiro is a city. Rio's murder rate has declined from the 1980's. Considering you don't know this major sociological transformation it is questionable to what degree of knowledge your opinion has on Rio - that is in relation to your assertion decapitation of small children in carjackings are not "uncommon" in the big cities of Brazil. Murder of innocent peoples, cannibalism, or mutilation and decapitation happen in the United States too. There are many serial killers operating in the U.S. at any given time according to last I remembering reading from the FBI several years back. There are also many children that come up missing in the U.S. - sometimes of which are found to have been hacked to pieces and buried. So viciousness is not limited to Brazilian society.

Notice this international sting on child porn produces more Americans (USA) than anyone else. Why is not Brazil the nation and nationality with the largest numbers of people busted in this global operation since according to some on this site Brazilians are the worse and numerical majority in all vices and corruptions on earth - where as Americans (USA) are projected as innocent saints who save the world from all vices and injustices. Recent article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...htm?csp=34

Yahoo news today: Teenager in U.S. city guns down innocent people in shopping mall http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...h_shooting. Wait? This only happens in Brazil?

jabmalassie, be more inquiring
written by RocknRIO, 2007-02-13 18:49:26

Did you even read my post with your obnoxious comments.

It also should be noted, since New York has been brought up by you, for decades New Yorkers and the city of New York prided itself on its violence, dangers, and cultures of hustle, lies, and manipulation. Everyone in the U.S. has heard New Yorkers brag about how dangerous and greedy and cut throat their city is - at least in the past they did. So, in that relation, I guess Rio and Sao Paulo build stronger and more streetwise people than New York, and Rio makes New York look like a small town in Utah in that sense.

But duplicity and inconsistency in standards is a trait in the American (USA) character. Just look at how black Americans and other Americans note Anita Florence Hemmings as the first black woman graduate from Vassar. Yet while Americans (USA) will pride themselves on her they would turn around and berate Brazilians for a "white person" like her being the elite of Brazilian society.
Anita Florence Hemmings:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/...id=1693839

. Likewise, Americans (USA) have never had a problem boasting the violence and dangers of their cities and how it makes them better, tougher, and more street savvy, if they are from New York or L.A., in comparison to small towns in the U.S. and larger metros in Europe. But duplicity and inconsistent standards are applied when looking southward to Latin America. H*ll, Americans brag in the rap music they created about the violence of their towns and their own personal will to murder at the slightest infraction to their personal space, egos, or what they want from what you have. They exports this music that brags around the world. So if Americans (USA) consider it bragging rights I guess Rio out trumps New York and L.A. and looks at the two U.S. cities as wannabe prima donnas.

Finally, Rio and Sao Paulo have such huge populations that they are like 7 ft tall 400 lbs men compared to most U.S. cities that are like 18 in 7 lbs infants next to her. Without a doubt, what would break an American city (USA) can not break Rio or Sao Paulo. It's like a Thai boxer kicking the thighs of the 400 lbs man and elbowing his big, ox, jaw. Bruised he recovers, and labors for the next day. The infant U.S. city however can not with stand such forceful and violent kicks.

So yes, Rio knows violence, and her boys, girls, men, women and transsexuals are resilient - so that is admirable. However, crimes like this on this small innocent child being murdered in the most horrendous way is the most despicable and irreverent thing on earth - my stomach can almost not even handle the thought of what was done to that poor child. I can't imagine what that child's family is enduring or how they continue to go on. May justice be done.

They're proud huh?? That's funny, one of my best friends lives in NY, I also used to travel there every month for a number of years, NEVER did I see any New Yorkers spouting off in pride about their homicide rate or "bragging" about the number of crimes that are/were committed there.

You're post is so twisted and completely off topic that it shows the twisted ideology you have. You get so far off point, for people like you you would try and make the atrocities of Atilla the Hun an american conspiracy. Somehow it all comes back to the U.S. doesn't it E??? Even the killing of a 6 year old boy in Rio, it all comes back to the U.S.

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written by Ric, 2007-02-13 18:53:13

Well, Bo, seems like your uncle nailed it. I couldn´t be more convinced if your aunt and cousins got on board and agreed with Unc.

And of course the white Americans that have actually been murdered in Rio haven´t said one word in protest.

Hear that Ric! Ya know, my best friends' fathers uncles brother was in New Orleans during this so-called "hurricane katrina", according to him there wasn't one drop of rain. He said it's all a black conspiracy to keep all the jumbalaya to themselves....and I believe him!

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-13 19:07:57

Yahoo news today: Teenager in U.S. city guns down innocent people in shopping mall http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._shooting. Wait? This only happens in Brazil?

No E, if it happened in brazil he would've had to have locked them in a closet and set it on fire, or cut their limbs off after he killed them.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-13 19:04:07

Notice this international sting on child porn produces more Americans (USA) than anyone else. Why is not Brazil the nation and nationality with the largest numbers of people busted in this global operation since according to some on this site Brazilians are the worse and numerical majority in all vices and corruptions on earth - where as Americans (USA) are projected as innocent saints who save the world from all vices and injustices. Recent article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/w...htm?csp=34

One reason for all the statistics, people being caught committing crimes etc, in the U.S. E is that we actually have a police force there that work to solve crimes. Also, we actually keep accurate statistics of crimes and attempted crimes. In the U.S. as well you have the educated masses, unlike many places in brazil, where people that are violated, the vast majority, don't even report it to the police, for numerous reasons, principally they think the police are corrupt, and they're pretty spot-on in that assumption, and they think nothing will ever come out of them reporting the crimes to the police, possibly only more negative consequences.

Didn't your uncle tell you that??

Hear that Ric! Ya know, my best friends' fathers uncles brother was in New Orleans during this so-called "hurricane katrina", according to him there wasn't one drop of rain. He said it's all a black conspiracy to keep all the jumbalaya to themselves....and I believe him!

PRICELESS!!!

(1) According to IBGE statistics, the city with the greatest murder rate in Brazil is neither Sampa nor Rio, but Vitoria ES. I have never been there and have no wish to. Also, for whatever reason, I have always felt safer in S. Paulo than in Rio..
(2) The US practice of trying juveniles as adults for serious crime is effectively to assign culpability before the trial. By all means give juveniles adult punihsments if they deserve them, but only after a trial in the court that their age entitles them to be tried in..
(3) Brazil was the first country in the world to abolish capital punishment. when D. Pedro I started refusing to sign death warrents in the 1850s. This may help explain why so many suspected criminals are murdered out of hand by off-duty policeman instead of being arrested. The first requirement of any judicial system is not that it be fair, but that it enjoy the confidence of its enforcers. Paying Brazilian policemen a decent wage would also help, as would giving them better weapons than the drug cartels.. .
(4) Of all the places I have lived, the one where I have been most constantly aware of serious crime has been Columbus Ohio where no early morning TV news program fails to start without a litany of the previous night's murders. I do not know the statistics but in these things for the ordinary citizen, rep**ation and appearances are everything.
(5) In nearly 80 years I have so far only personally suffered from crime on just four occasions. a burlgary in Columbus OH, a pickpocket on Leblon beach RJ, a Scottish confidence trickster in João Pessoa PB, and road rage in London's Hyde Park, although I lost property when my daughter was mugged in central London and I sat beside my son as he successfully fought off a robber on the Santa Teresa "bonde.". This does not signify but does show my status as an almost purely armchair criminologist, and (so far) my amazing luck..
(6) When I remarked on the squalor of a Recife PE favela we were passing, to my Indian companion, she told me with scorn that anyone (like myself) unacquainted with India could not imagine what REAL poverty was like.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-13 19:04:07

Notice this international sting on child porn produces more Americans (USA) than anyone else.

Guess you should know all about that!! Thanks to some of our good friends here they've pointed out your posts in the "forum". Damn, didn't know you were a convicted child molestor...and a fag to boot, not that there's anything wrong with that, ,but it explains a lot.

(1) According to IBGE statistics, the city with the greatest murder rate in Brazil is neither Sampa nor Rio, but Vitoria ES. I have never been there and have no wish to. Also, for whatever reason, I have always felt safer in S. Paulo than in Rio..

The highest murder rate in brazil is a suburb of Recife, I forget the name, but I posted the statistics on this site a month ago, the numbers are from 2005 and from the brazilian ministry of justice. The murder rate in this neighborhood is 180 per 100,000, it is by far and away the highest murder rate in brazil. Coincidentally I frequent a restaurant in my city in the northeast that is owned, operated, and has 100% employees from Recife. I spoke to the waiters that I know there a few weeks ago about this city, one of the waiters told me he lived there for two years, and it indeed was "the most dangerous city in brazil." He told me two stories about people being decapitated, one they put his head on the step of the prefeitura, city hall, the other, they put his head on the steps to his mothers house......nice.

This does not signify but does show my status as an almost purely armchair criminologist, and (so far) my amazing luck..

Well, if you truly just "sat" beside your son while someone was trying to rob him, not only are you an armchair criminologist, but I may classify you as a "couch potato" as well. Was your son like, "Dad....WTF?"

Here is an article for the inquiring minds.
Murder in the Caribbean - how does Haiti compare?

Friday 3 February 2006




By Charles Arthur for ’Eye on the Caribbean’, an AlterPresse service in conjunction with the Haiti Support Group

Most countries keep statistics of how many murders (or homicides) take place on their territory, and many publish a total at the end of each calendar year.

In Haiti, such statistics are hard to come by. Neither the police nor the judicial authorities have much of a presence in the rural areas of the country, where two-thirds of the population live, and even in provincial towns, if the authorities or local human rights organizations are keeping records, the results are not readily accessible.

What figures that are available have been compiled by human rights organizations based in Port-au-Prince. It is here, in the capital, afflicted by waves of political violence and violent crime over the last few years, that the vast majority of incidents involving loss of life have taken place. According to these Haitian human rights organizations, more than 1,500 people were murdered during the 20 months of March 2004-October 2005 inclusive. An average figure would suggest that approximately 75 people have been murdered each month, and that therefore approximately 900 people met violent deaths each year in 2004 and 2005.

Much has been made of the violence and loss of life in Port-au-Prince in recent times, but if we accept that the number of murders committed in the rest of the country during the last year has been relatively small - for argument’s sake, say 50 - how does an annual figure of 950 murders for a population of 8,283,000 compare with other Caribbean nations?

The first comparison must be with the neighboring Dominican Republic, a country with a slightly larger population of almost nine million that, while not regarded as a haven of tranquillity, does at least have a rep**ation for safety, as evidenced by the millions of foreign tourists who visit each year.

Surprisingly, whereas Haiti - generally perceived as one of the world’s most dangerous trouble spots - has a 2005 murder rate of approximately 11.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, in the Dominican Republic, where there were 2,403 violent deaths in 2005, the murder rate is 26.7 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Across the Caribbean region, authorities are struggling to cope with a growing problem of violent crime. Guyana, the former British colony on the north coast of the South American land mass with a population of just 765,000, recorded over 120 violent deaths in 2005 - a murder rate of 15.7.

Trinidad and Tobago, the oil and gas-rich twin island state in the south-east Caribbean has an even worse rate. The 384 murders committed in 2005 among a population of just under 1.1 million gives a murder rate of 35.7 - three times that in Haiti.

The difference is even more extreme when comparison is made with Jamaica. The Caribbean island with a population of 2,732,000 holds the unenviable distinction of having displaced Colombia and South Africa to become the world’s most murderous country in 2005. A record number of 1,669 murders were committed during the year, giving a murder rate of 62 per 100,000 inhabitants.


PS :

DEAD IS DEAD TALK IT TALK , LETS DO SOMETHING IT IS OUT LIVES

AND I ALL THIES COUNTRIES THE GOVERMENT FAILED ITS PEOPLE


AND THE PEOPLE FAILED TO CHANGE THE GOVERMENT

HOW MANY MILLIONS HAVE TO DIE BEFORE GOOD PEOPLE DO SOME GOOD FOR THEMSELVES

AND THERE COUNTRY

You can vote in Brasil at 16, but you are proteceted to murder, blackmail, and rob. You are not allowed to choose hom to go out with thanks to the NGO/ONG parasites and the minister of tourism's 'protectin of minors from this abominable practie'. Lowering the age to 16 would a, send some shockwaves through the bandit communities although it would not do much more then that. Lowering the age to 16 would also allow legally some of these youths to be with adults that they are lacking now as many ae afraid of the nazi-likew witch hunting denounces that benifit the NGO pockets, the division of the police that wish to agrandize themselves and the US, UN and other international moralists that LULA, Walfrido Guias (the tourist minister who believes that the way to promot tourism is to campaign vigorously about protecting these minors from adults- - - while saying virtually nothing about tourism). So what are wew waitng for lets get some common sense!!!

written by RocknRIO, 2007-02-13 18:42:37

So yes, Rio knows violence, and her boys, girls, men, women and transsexuals are resilient



And we know how our resident, racially confussed, sex crimes convicted, fruitloop thinks about Trannys!

http://www.brazzilbrief.com/viewtopic.php?t=7960012&start=0
http://www.brazzilboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=420&start=0
http://www.brazzilbrief.com/viewtopic.php?t=6371&start=0

You folks are dealing with one scary MOFO! Be afraid, be VERY afraid.

So tell me RocknRio, was that a persuasive argument or a logical argument? I only ask because such profound rhetoric must demonstrate your alma mater to be way above Latin American colleges. Your attempt at personal attacks, by the principles of argument, does not diminish the reality of the resilience of those Brazilians that live in Rio de Janeiro. However, by the principles associated with argument, ad hominem attacks always say more about the person hurling them than they do about the person they are intended for.

written by Ric, 2007-02-13 18:55:00

I meant, not Bo, but E Harmony. Sorry, Bo.

Foreigners have been murdered in the United States as well. A college education should give one greater ability at critical thought and the ability to distinguish between logic and emotive persuasion. Many gringos on this site depend upon emotive persuasion more than logic to push their points. It would be illogical for me to place Bo's subjective point of views above that of my own uncles. Perhaps if one attempted to be more objective I would take them more serious. Of course no one can be 100% objective, I'm not 100% objective, but I'm a pretty sharp knife in the drawer and I can tell when one just attempts to make Brazil look like the most horrible country on earth. I'm to smart to buy into that. I suppose that makes many angry.

written by bo, 2007-02-14 07:19:14

It also should be noted, since New York has been brought up by you, for decades New Yorkers and the city of New York prided itself on its violence, dangers, and cultures of hustle, lies, and manipulation. Everyone in the U.S. has heard New Yorkers brag about how dangerous and greedy and cut throat their city is - at least in the past they did. So, in that relation, I guess Rio and Sao Paulo build stronger and more streetwise people than New York, and Rio makes New York look like a small town in Utah in that sense.

But duplicity and inconsistency in standards is a trait in the American (USA) character. Just look at how black Americans and other Americans note Anita Florence Hemmings as the first black woman graduate from Vassar. Yet while Americans (USA) will pride themselves on her they would turn around and berate Brazilians for a "white person" like her being the elite of Brazilian society.
Anita Florence Hemmings:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/...id=1693839

. Likewise, Americans (USA) have never had a problem boasting the violence and dangers of their cities and how it makes them better, tougher, and more street savvy, if they are from New York or L.A., in comparison to small towns in the U.S. and larger metros in Europe. But duplicity and inconsistent standards are applied when looking southward to Latin America. H*ll, Americans brag in the rap music they created about the violence of their towns and their own personal will to murder at the slightest infraction to their personal space, egos, or what they want from what you have. They exports this music that brags around the world. So if Americans (USA) consider it bragging rights I guess Rio out trumps New York and L.A. and looks at the two U.S. cities as wannabe prima donnas.

Finally, Rio and Sao Paulo have such huge populations that they are like 7 ft tall 400 lbs men compared to most U.S. cities that are like 18 in 7 lbs infants next to her. Without a doubt, what would break an American city (USA) can not break Rio or Sao Paulo. It's like a Thai boxer kicking the thighs of the 400 lbs man and elbowing his big, ox, jaw. Bruised he recovers, and labors for the next day. The infant U.S. city however can not with stand such forceful and violent kicks.

So yes, Rio knows violence, and her boys, girls, men, women and transsexuals are resilient - so that is admirable. However, crimes like this on this small innocent child being murdered in the most horrendous way is the most despicable and irreverent thing on earth - my stomach can almost not even handle the thought of what was done to that poor child. I can't imagine what that child's family is enduring or how they continue to go on. May justice be done.




They're proud huh?? That's funny, one of my best friends lives in NY, I also used to travel there every month for a number of years, NEVER did I see any New Yorkers spouting off in pride about their homicide rate or "bragging" about the number of crimes that are/were committed there.

You're post is so twisted and completely off topic that it shows the twisted ideology you have. You get so far off point, for people like you you would try and make the atrocities of Atilla the Hun an american conspiracy. Somehow it all comes back to the U.S. doesn't it E??? Even the killing of a 6 year old boy in Rio, it all comes back to the U.S.

Sure, bo, and American (USA) gangster rap was created in Brazil and we all know no U.S. gangsta rap artists in New York or L.A. ever bragged or glamorized their cities violence - it's just E harmony making it all up.

Most New Yorkers have always had a great pride in the reputed dangers, threats, and cut throat nature of their city, same goes with L.A., same goes with Chicago, but no place as much so as New York. Anyways, the point is Rio de Janeiro is a city and people of fortitude and strength, and that at least, through all her tragedies, is something admirable. But no matter what you and I think any incident of a child being so brutally victimized is sad and tragic just on a human level - the nationality can be cast aside.

written by bo, 2007-02-14 09:14:26

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-13 19:04:07

Notice this international sting on child porn produces more Americans (USA) than anyone else.




Guess you should know all about that!! Thanks to some of our good friends here they've pointed out your posts in the "forum". Damn, didn't know you were a convicted child molestor...and a fag to boot, not that there's anything wrong with that, smilies/wink.gif,but it explains a lot.

She was 17 and I was 20 and a Marine on home from leave - just after the first Gulf War. I guess I'm a far better man than Thomas Jefferson who was much older than 20 I believe, when he was sexually active with a 13 year old Sally Hemmings who was his mulatto slave and half sister to his wife. Does Thomas Jefferson represent the U.S. flag and American people more than I do? Yes? Cool.

As for the personal attacks, I smell fear, or acknowledgment my arguments are just the better than of yours. I'm well aware of my high intellect and ability with words, its a gift, not everyone can have it along with such analytical capabilities. Perhaps I'm inspired by all those beautiful women and transsexuals in Brazil.

I'm to smart to buy into that. I suppose that makes many angry.

Wow e, you are smart!! Is it two smart? To smart? Or too smart???


Now, go get nailed for statutory rape again. Now wonder you got a rod up your ass for the U.S. You f**ked some juvenile, her parents turned you in, you got dishonorably discharged, it all makes perfect sense.

You really need to come to brazil though, besides the fact that you could actually talk about it from experience, instead of your uncles, brothers, best friends week vacation in Copa, but you'd love all the fags and tranny's they have here....not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sure, bo, and American (USA) gangster rap was created in Brazil and we all know no U.S. gangsta rap artists in New York or L.A. ever bragged or glamorized their cities violence - it's just E harmony making it all up.

God you're such a mentally disturbed little boy that you're pathetic. You said that "new yorkers" like to talk about violence, now you're saying "gangsta rappers"???? Yeah, I guess you can talk generally about new yorkers as if they're all rappers....lol.

I saw another one of your completely IDIOTIC, IGNORANT posts in the forum as well, just thougt I'd comment. You truly have to be INSANE if you believe that 60 million american, that's 20% of the U.S. population, lives on 7 dollars a day or less....LMAO!!!

You stupid fruit, people on welfare, unemployment, etc, make 40 dollars a day!!! And they don't even comprise 5% of the american population.

E.....you have some serious problems. You truly should seek some help. And leave the U.S. for god's sakes, you hate it there, come down here to brazil, move to Rio, it's really safe there. Make sure to wear your most expensive jewelry, dress up like a tranny, and hit Atlantic Ave. in Copa....those boys will just love you!

written by bo, 2007-02-15 00:18:46

I'm to smart to buy into that. I suppose that makes many angry.




Wow e, you are smart!! Is it two smart? To smart? Or too smart???


Now, go get nailed for statutory rape again. Now wonder you got a rod up your ass for the U.S. You f**ked some juvenile, her parents turned you in, you got dishonorably discharged, it all makes perfect sense.

You really need to come to brazil though, besides the fact that you could actually talk about it from experience, instead of your uncles, brothers, best friends week vacation in Copa, but you'd love all the fags and tranny's they have here....not that there's anything wrong with that.

No actually I was honorably discharged, and considered a very good Marine. But, e harmony aside, bo could you continue to eloquently represent USA inclusiveness and tolerance to all the people that frequent this site from around the world with your noble epithets in reference to homosexuals and transsexuals, because I really believe it will highlight the American country known for the KKK in the best of light. Can you also address the issue of Thomas Jefferson for all the people not from the United States here: Does Thomas Jefferson represent the American (USA) people and flag more than myself? Thanks.


P.S. You should know, bo, I have no anger at all at your comments, in fact I get some what of an enjoyment out of them, because you fail to realize how you make the USA look, after all those posts you have a habit of making about the USA supra tolerance.

written by bo, 2007-02-15 00:25:28

Sure, bo, and American (USA) gangster rap was created in Brazil and we all know no U.S. gangsta rap artists in New York or L.A. ever bragged or glamorized their cities violence - it's just E harmony making it all up.




God you're such a mentally disturbed little boy that you're pathetic. You said that "new yorkers" like to talk about violence, now you're saying "gangsta rappers"???? Yeah, I guess you can talk generally about new yorkers as if they're all rappers....lol.

I saw another one of your completely IDIOTIC, IGNORANT posts in the forum as well, just thougt I'd comment. You truly have to be INSANE if you believe that 60 million american, that's 20% of the U.S. population, lives on 7 dollars a day or less....LMAO!!!

You stupid fruit, people on welfare, unemployment, etc, make 40 dollars a day!!! And they don't even comprise 5% of the american population.

E.....you have some serious problems. You truly should seek some help. And leave the U.S. for god's sakes, you hate it there, come down here to brazil, move to Rio, it's really safe there. Make sure to wear your most expensive jewelry, dress up like a tranny, and hit Atlantic Ave. in Copa....those boys will just love you!

I stand by comments on New York.

E harmony aside, be he "pathetic," a "mentally disturbed little boy," be he a "tranny lover" or a "fag" or even if he were to be said to be a "n*gger lover" or "wet-back lover," fine with all that, could you address my earlier question as to why so many hundreds of people from the United States are being investigated in this international child porn ring busted but in contrast so few Brazilians are? I ask the question not to state the U.S. is filled with more pedophiles than Brazil (even if that were so that's another matter) but to beg the question as to how Brazil could be the worse country in the world in all things, as a number of people here like to make it out to be, yet Brazil is not making up the majority of nationalities involved in viewing this child porn - the United States is? I would like to hear your comment on this. Yes I know... "go get a rid up my a**" et cetera et cetera, fine, I would like to hear you contend with this question of several hundred people in the U.S. being investigate in this global child porn bust.

E you live so close to Me I can smell it. Bo doesn't really give a flying anything in regards to how he makes the USA look. Get a life and stop calling my kid.

E harmony aside, be he "pathetic," a "mentally disturbed little boy," be he a "tranny lover" or a "fag" or even if he were to be said to be a "n*gger lover" or "wet-back lover," fine with all that, could you address my earlier question as to why so many hundreds of people from the United States are being investigated in this international child porn ring busted but in contrast so few Brazilians are?

First of all DON'T PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!! For the record, YOU are the one using the "N" word here girlie and using racial slurs, not me. Now, as far as "fags", yes, I called you one, you are a self-admitted fag, aren't ya? I mean anyone who likes transvestites is a fag, you either suck c**k or you don't, period.

As far as why more people are being investigated in the U.S. than brazil, I already answered that. Could it be the incompetence of the brazilian police?? Yep, very good probability there. Could it be the cancer-like corruption within the brazilian police. Yep, could be. Could it be that the brazilain police are NEVER proactive, only reactive, and that's stretching it. Could it be that the police in the U.S. actually try to put criminals in jail, that they take their jobs seriously, yep, that could be another one too.

But at the end of the day, YOU are much better qualified to answer any question about child molestors than myself, or any here I would assume, since you have been convicted of having sex with a minor.

No actually I was honorably discharged, and considered a very good Marine. But, e harmony aside, bo could you continue to eloquently represent USA inclusiveness and tolerance to all the people that frequent this site from around the world with your noble epithets in reference to homosexuals and transsexuals, because I really believe it will highlight the American country known for the KKK in the best of light.

Hey bud, I don't like fags, and you know something, it's my right to not like them if I choose. I'm tolerant of them, I know several back in the U.S. and naturally several here in brazil and I don't discriminate against them, but I don't like them. So what?? Especially the type that you "appear" to be . Because let me say this for the record. I think you are 100% full of s**t! Number one, I don't believe you are a male. Number two, I believe that you ONLY, and SPECIFICALLY, post to get responses. IMO, you may very well be affiliated with this site in some fashion. I doubt every single thing that you have said. That you are a man, naturally that you are a fag, that you have served in the military, that you have been arrested for statutory rape, etc. In short, I think you're full of s**t, and you're not worth of any responses.

Take the murder statistics in East L.A. and Compton, that is where the murder is/ divide by the number of people liviing there and you have the murder statistic for L.A. which then becomes far greater than the murder rate for Rio. Statistics are manipulated.

Invest in the police. Deed the favela's. Make the penalty crime comenserate instead of age conditional.

Try East L.A. or Compton
written by aesaac, 2007-02-15 12:55:45

Take the murder statistics in East L.A. and Compton, that is where the murder is/ divide by the number of people liviing there and you have the murder statistic for L.A. which then becomes far greater than the murder rate for Rio. Statistics are manipulated.

You're full of s**t. Show the stats!! Neighborhoods in Rio have murder rates of 120 per 100K, there is NO WHERE in the U.S. that even comes CLOSE to that! Gary Indiana has a murder rate of a little over 50 per 100,000, and it has a population of 100,000, meaning that there are 50 people murdered in Gary Ind in a year, and it is one, if not THE, most dangerous city in america with the highest murder rate.

Quit pulling factoids out of your ass...show us the numbers and the links. Or, as usual, disappear in the internet abyss!

What part of hyperbolic to make a point did your linear ass not comprehend, I live in Leblon, I grew up in L.A. . . .I belive in capital punishment, severity of punishment and incarceration. . .Try a weekend in East L.A. with ten or fifteen homicides 'homey'. . .I think I'll enjoy a beer on the beach at Ipanema. . .

http://www.aliciapatterson.org...iguez.html

Here this is just one link of a multitude of factoids: Goole murder rate East Los Angeles

1992 Police statistics . . .100,000 gang members 600 murders
written by aesaac, 2007-02-15 15:15:04

That's in the entire city of Los Angeles!!! LOL!! You really are stupid!! And leblon??? That's where the wife of a Billionaire got murdered not too long ago, no one is safe anywhere in Rio my ignorant friend. Please, post some stats!! You want to say that there is a place in the U.S. that is AS dangerous, or MORE dangerous than Rio de Janeiro??? You're blowing smoke out of your ass....but that's par for the course!

17.5 murders in Los Angeles per 100,000 residents...lol. You s**t slinging liars take the cake. Ya know, I would absolutely HATE my reality if I had to lie about others all the time to justify my own horrible existance!


http://www.safestreetsdc.com/subpages/murdercap.html

Hey numbnuts you asked for a link I gave you one. There are pages of them, it is a section of L.A.. There are some places you had better not be after dark, Compton is one and East L.A. is another and Beverly Hills is no stranger to gruesome murder.

nobody is talking about anyone not being a stranger to murder. You said that there were neighborhoods in the U.S. that have HIGHER murder rates than in Rio de Janeiro. Show me!

Be careful not to let a fart since you're so full of s**t that you'll definitely make a mess.

written by bo, 2007-02-15 13:17:03

Try East L.A. or Compton
written by aesaac, 2007-02-15 12:55:45

Take the murder statistics in East L.A. and Compton, that is where the murder is/ divide by the number of people liviing there and you have the murder statistic for L.A. which then becomes far greater than the murder rate for Rio. Statistics are manipulated.




You're full of s**t. Show the stats!! Neighborhoods in Rio have murder rates of 120 per 100K, there is NO WHERE in the U.S. that even comes CLOSE to that! Gary Indiana has a murder rate of a little over 50 per 100,000, and it has a population of 100,000, meaning that there are 50 people murdered in Gary Ind in a year, and it is one, if not THE, most dangerous city in america with the highest murder rate.

Quit pulling factoids out of your ass...show us the numbers and the links. Or, as usual, disappear in the internet abyss!

Bo, Compton had a homicide rate of something like 67 per 100,000 people I believe in 2005. Compton is a city - a suburb I think of L.A.

Likely Compton and parts of Detroit have neighborhoods that have homicides rates of a 100 or more per 100,000 since, like Rio, many murders in U.S. cities are concentrated more in certain areas and certain neighborhoods. The scientific process, be it in the social sciences or natural sciences, requires one to only draw a conclusion after they have received all data. A theory must even be developed after a conclusion and not before it. My point is you are pushing a hypothesis as scientific theory or principle without even having sufficient data.

Having said that, given some of the violence, confidence, and audacity of Rio and Sao Paulo gangs I would tend to believe certain neighborhoods in Rio are much more violent than any neighborhood in the U.S. But that does not decrease the violence many inner city Americans (USA) live in. As I've said in the past, I do not have to travel to Brazil to be shot at as I have been shot at in the United States, likewise I do not have to travel to Brazil to have someone attempt to rob me as I grew up with people trying to rob me numerous times (and the potential still exists).

written by bo, 2007-02-15 09:42:39

E harmony aside, be he "pathetic," a "mentally disturbed little boy," be he a "tranny lover" or a "fag" or even if he were to be said to be a "n*gger lover" or "wet-back lover," fine with all that, could you address my earlier question as to why so many hundreds of people from the United States are being investigated in this international child porn ring busted but in contrast so few Brazilians are?





First of all DON'T PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!! For the record, YOU are the one using the "N" word here girlie and using racial slurs, not me. Now, as far as "fags", yes, I called you one, you are a self-admitted fag, aren't ya? I mean anyone who likes transvestites is a fag, you either suck c**k or you don't, period.

As far as why more people are being investigated in the U.S. than brazil, I already answered that. Could it be the incompetence of the brazilian police?? Yep, very good probability there. Could it be the cancer-like corruption within the brazilian police. Yep, could be. Could it be that the brazilain police are NEVER proactive, only reactive, and that's stretching it. Could it be that the police in the U.S. actually try to put criminals in jail, that they take their jobs seriously, yep, that could be another one too.

But at the end of the day, YOU are much better qualified to answer any question about child molestors than myself, or any here I would assume, since you have been convicted of having sex with a minor.

Who put words in your mouth? I never stated or implied you called me a "n*gger lover" or a "wet-back lover" I stated about e harmony (myself): "even if he were to be said to be a "n*gger lover" or "wet-back lover"".

And the article implied the majority of people were from the United States who had viewed had made hits or viewed the porn. There were 2,000 something people with 600 alone from the United States several hundred I believe from Germany and some other hundreds from other European countries if I remember correctly. In total there were people from 77 countries - hence it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out most were not from Brazil that viewed the porn but from the United States. So the "incompetency" of Brazilian law enforcement has little to no weight on this - at least not concerning the objective data on hits on the child porn site that got busted.

written by Simpleton, 2007-02-15 02:07:42

E you live so close to Me I can smell it. Bo doesn't really give a flying anything in regards to how he makes the USA look. Get a life and stop calling my kid.

No I can appreciate, bo does not care. Brazil is a great country, and even if I were to be a very bad person, I am a product of the United States and not of Brazil, the logical be it deductive or inductive should be clear to anyone with more than a grade school education: Both bo and I are from the United States meaning that which ever one of us looks bad reflects poorly on the United States and not on Brazil. So whether I look bad or not, or whether bo looks good or not, it is a win win situation for both myself and the great land of Brazil. I always considered Chess to be a great game.

written by bo, 2007-02-15 09:58:56

No actually I was honorably discharged, and considered a very good Marine. But, e harmony aside, bo could you continue to eloquently represent USA inclusiveness and tolerance to all the people that frequent this site from around the world with your noble epithets in reference to homosexuals and transsexuals, because I really believe it will highlight the American country known for the KKK in the best of light.




Hey bud, I don't like fags, and you know something, it's my right to not like them if I choose. I'm tolerant of them, I know several back in the U.S. and naturally several here in brazil and I don't discriminate against them, but I don't like them. So what?? Especially the type that you "appear" to be . Because let me say this for the record. I think you are 100% full of s**t! Number one, I don't believe you are a male. Number two, I believe that you ONLY, and SPECIFICALLY, post to get responses. IMO, you may very well be affiliated with this site in some fashion. I doubt every single thing that you have said. That you are a man, naturally that you are a fag, that you have served in the military, that you have been arrested for statutory rape, etc. In short, I think you're full of s**t, and you're not worth of any responses.

Would you believe me if I told you I thought you were cute? LMAO

One reason for all the statistics, people being caught committing crimes etc, in the U.S. E is that we actually have a police force there that work to solve crimes.

Just a note for those interested in this topic. It's true that some parts of the police are underpaid and some are corrupt, especially in some "problem-cities" such as Rio, but the federal police routinely performs investigations of big crimes and every once in a while we hear about some arrests being made due to some investigative work from them, usually involving big crimes, not street criminals.

So to talk as if the entire police force of this country were incompetent or corrupt it's not accurate. Such a crime of child porn on the internet could be caught by them, they have the resources, both human and technical, to do so. One of the cases I remember from the top of my head was the arrest of a gang of hackers specialized in stealing money through internet banking.

So to talk as if the entire police force of this country were incompetent or corrupt it's not accurate

the ENTIRE police force, no, the entire police force is not corrupt. But one can certainly talk in GENERAL. In general, brazilian police are corrupt, and/or incompetent.

Bo, Compton had a homicide rate of something like 67 per 100,000 people I believe in 2005. Compton is a city - a suburb I think of L.A.

Instead of blowing wind out of your ass, amongst other things, show me something a little more substantial, like some numbers. The U.S. is full of statistics, you should be able to find them with no problem.

As I've said in the past, I do not have to travel to Brazil to be shot at as I have been shot at in the United States, likewise I do not have to travel to Brazil to have someone attempt to rob me as I grew up with people trying to rob me numerous times (and the potential still exists).

Well, you may have to travel to brazil to be shot at on monday, raped on tuesday, carjacked on wednesday, and your friends and family barbecued on thursday. On friday they normally take a day off to drink cashasa.

But one can certainly talk in GENERAL.

There's no such thing of "talk in general", there's only ignorance and blindness in everything you "talk" in here. You simply have no idea about anything of what you are talking about.

Well, you may have to travel to brazil to be shot at on monday, raped on tuesday, carjacked on wednesday, and your friends and family barbecued on thursday.

This last comment of yours is really emblematic of your intentions in misinforming everyone.

no buddy, naturally I'm exagerrating, as anyone can tell, with the possible exception of yourself. But our ole convicted sex-offender friend E is always trying to make comparisons in brazil and the U.S. in relation to crime and violence. The only comparison that one can make is that in a country with 70% more people, they sure as hell have a helluva lot LESS crime than brazil. Now that is a statistical and undebateable fact.

Now you go E, post some more incidents of a murder or two that took place in the U.S. in the last 48 hours.

Tell ya what, you post all the american murders, and I'll get some help to post all the ones that take place in brazil. You should make right around 14,000 posts, while me and my team will be making 55,000 !

And the article implied the majority of people were from the United States who had viewed had made hits or viewed the porn. There were 2,000 something people with 600 alone from the United States several hundred I believe from Germany and some other hundreds from other European countries if I remember correctly. In total there were people from 77 countries - hence it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out most were not from Brazil that viewed the porn but from the United States. So the "incompetency" of Brazilian law enforcement has little to no weight on this - at least not concerning the objective data on hits on the child porn site that got busted.

Wow, one porn site, a whole 2,000 hits?? My site gets 2,000 hits every 45 minutes. And I can guarantee you that the vast majority are not brazilians, nor european, nor asian, mostly all U.S. Why do you ask?? Because that's my target market Einstein. I could sit here and list a hundred reasons as to why, or why not this article "implied" what it did. Talk about unscientific research from a sample the size of a pimple on an elephants ass.

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written by A brazilian, 2007-02-16 00:17:53

But one can certainly talk in GENERAL.



There's no such thing of "talk in general", there's only ignorance and blindness in everything you "talk" in here. You simply have no idea about anything of what you are talking about.

thanks bud, you've just confirmed it then. The last 10 years have been the result of that last acid trip my mother took shortly after I was unknowingly conceived. Thanks for that A brazilian. Please, everyone, disregard everything I've ever said here.

o, Compton had a homicide rate of something like 67 per 100,000 people I believe in 2005. Compton is a city - a suburb I think of L.A.

Likely Compton and parts of Detroit have neighborhoods that have homicides rates of a 100 or more per 100,000

Quit blowing smoke, and other things, and show us the money.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-15 20:09:16

Bo, Compton had a homicide rate of something like 67 per 100,000 people I believe in 2005. Compton is a city - a suburb I think of L.A.

Likely Compton and parts of Detroit have neighborhoods that have homicides rates of a 100 or more per 100,000 since, like Rio, many murders in U.S. cities are concentrated more in certain areas and certain neighborhoods.

Hey E, I want to ask you a serious question now. You've seen that everything that I've posted on this site, while many things not flattering to brazil, have NOT been lies or exagerrations. I have posted my personal experiences as well as factual statistics from organizations like the United Nations and also the Brazilian Federal gov't. I have in no way "exagerrated" these numbers, nor my experiences.

What I want to ask, if you could give me a straight, honest answer for once, is why do you lie, exagerrate, etc. to make the U.S. look worse than it actually is? What has happened in the U.S. to make you so bitter towards it? I'm asking because I don't believe for a minute the statutory rape thing, I would also wager 10,000 dollars that you're a female.

Because, as I have done before, and I am about to do right now, I have shown that you have outright LIED previously, as you have with the statement that I have quoted you on.

First, you covered yourself, you used the word "Likely", lol. So I could say, "likely there are "areas" in Rio where the murder rate is 500 in 100,000. Matter of fact, if you deduce Rio down to that house in Cidade de Deus last night, where all 8 people were murdered, Rio has a murder rate of 100,000 per 100,000." Get my drift? Ok..let's continue.

I quoted two sentences you made where you contradicted yourself!! You stated the homicide rate of 67, then you say "likely" its 100 ?? How do you get that?? I mean compton is a neighborhood. What are you going to do, minimize it even more to a street?? A block?? As I did in the idiotic example above, a house?

Now, here are real numbers from 2006 concerning compton california.

Compton, California
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compton is a city located in Southern Los Angeles County, California, USA, southeast of downtown Los Angeles. The city was incorporated in 1888. As of the 2000 census, the city had a total population of 93,493. Although officially a suburb of Los Angeles, Compton is often labeled as an "inner-city" community primarily due to poverty, the elevated crime rate found in the city, and its location in South Los Angeles.

Despite the city's mark on African-American culture, Compton has a multiracial and multi-ethnic population. The city boasts an equestrian club, an astronomy program for teenagers, and the Major League Baseball Academy.

Crime

Compton is a notorious city throughout the U.S.A., and is known for having one of the highest violent crime rates in the U.S.A..

The city is notorious for gang violence. Compton's violent rep**ation was popularized in the late 1980s by the rise to prominence of local gangsta rap groups Compton's Most Wanted and N.W.A., who released the famous album Straight Outta Compton in 1988. The most recent rapper from Compton to popularize the city's gang culture is The Game, with his albums The Documentary (2005) and Doctor's Advocate (2006).

In 2006, the Morgan Quitno Corporation rated Compton as the most dangerous city with a population of 75,000 to 99,999, and fourth most dangerous overall. [1] Compton also has a homicide rate about eight times higher than the national average, most of which are gang killings. Economic conditions and Compton's location as the center of the South Los Angeles "ghettos" make crime prevention more difficult. Crime has not been as severe as it was in the 1980s and early 1990s, during the crack epidemic.[citation needed]

Compton had 72 murders in 2005, which is a per capita rate significantly higher than the national average for small cities. Recently in an effort to combat this gun violence the Compton citizens were given the option to hand over their guns to the police, and receive a $100 check for various goods. During 2006, Compton has deployed twice as many sheriff deputies and the murder rate has decreased from 22 in four months, to just FIVE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton,_California

Now, here's your "dangerous" city compton, in 2005 we can safely assume that compton had a population of at least 100,00, if not a few thousand more. There were 72 murders, and the MOST dangerous city of its size in america, which would make their murder rate 72 per 100K or slightly less. Certainly nowhere near your exagerrated number of more than 100 per 100K. And, the kicker here is that since police presence has been increased they have went from 22 murders in a 4 month time to just FIVE. If things continue, compton will have a murder rate of around 15 per 100K, which would make compton california SAFER than the small city I live in here in northeast brazil that boasts the "highest quality of life in the northeast of brazil".

You see E, crime is being reduced thoughtout the U.S. Unfortunately, here in brazil, it is increasing. Why?? More than likely the ever growing unequal distribution of income in Brazil, the ever growing poverty, and believe me, brazilian poverty makes american poverty look like a life in beverly hills.

When I see you make bulls**t posts as you have, and make statements that are 100% ASSUMPTIONS, starting sentences with "likely....", it appears that you have "other agendas".

Actually, Compton is not so bad. It has a really good airport, general aviation, air museum. Over the river to the east is North Long Beach. I know the area pretty well between Cherry and the river or 710 and between Atlantic and Artesia Blvd. Actally Compton spilled over into NLB. There are a lot of really good people living in those areas and the Compton you see on MTV isn´t reality any more than the Hollywood and Vine you see from time on TV is the real one. The real Hollywood and Vine is worse. The MTV Compton is just different than the real one.

Head down 91 until it ends at the beach, Manhattan, Hermosa, Redondo...no ugly girls around. But you better be careful to get out of Compton, East LA for that matter before dark.

Bo put on your Rolex and a gold chain or two and head East to Boyle Heights and Holenbeck Park, make sure your driving something nice, go around 9 P.M. cruise slowly up Boyle Avenue and wait to get robbed and shot, you have no business being there after dark, only a fool would go there at night, kind of like visiting a favela when you dont belong there, or walking with a Rolex and jewelry in some sections of Copacabana, and watch the traffic lights in Compton if you stop and your car is nice enough your going to get 'jacked' and if your a little too slow your going to get shot. But thats just one small section of L.A.. . .and things are better now.

But thats just one small section of L.A.. . .and things are better now.

Yeah, would say that's a "little" different than a city of 12 million and there's NO WHERE that's safe. Imagine have the american secretary of defense travel to a major american city and getting carjacked, that's what has happened and does happen in Rio...and it doesn't matter what "hood" your in.

In the United States we had Robert Kennedy get a bullet in the head at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, he was what, Senator Robert Kennedy then, or his brother John Kennedy took a bullet in the head in Dallas, and Reagan took a couple of bullets in the gut, and Gerald Ford. But these were Presidents of the United States that took bullets, but that is before your time, for you are infinitely naive and lack a sense of history.

A friend of mine found a body in Hollenbeck many years ago. I know it´s dangerous. I know the area around St. Louis and the hospital and 2nd thru about 6th.

Two years ago my dad and I drove down to LAX to get my Varig ticket extended two weeks, we were driving my 1983 Capri RS, which is a very subtle muscle car with mods, went east off the 405 several miles on El Segundo, and it was night. Dad was 95 at the time. Maybe I´m stupid, but I wasn´t worried. In a new Mercedes armed with nothing but a cell phone, I´d be worried. You have to know your surroundings. But this idea that everyone in these areas, and south of USC, is a criminal just waiting for a vic is stupid. Most people are OK.

It´s nice to know that the locals can´t keep up with you if you decide to get out of there, too. Unless they are driving new Corvettes or Ferraris.

Damb, mustof passe out again.

bo, your earlier posts - what a riot LMAO!!! Anyway, Heard George was going to come vist, also possibly Condi again. I've been lucky enough to have been there when they were a couple of times before. What say we all get together some time?

Ric, yeah, sounds kind of like Rio. Need to know where you are / when you are / how to look like you belong there or at least don't look gringo turista / are familiar with or connected to the locals from that hood. Much more that most are ok people.

bo, back to old dead threads - When your canoe is broken it's usually not a good idea to abandone it. Even filled with water to the gunwales it floats a little bit and might afford you protection from the rocks in the raging stream. I loved your sinking shots a A brazilian!! Does it really matter if heshe doesn't have a paddle when refusing to acknowledge the chest high water exists? LMAO!!

John Fitzgeald Kennedy Imagine A President Of The United States Being Shot In The Head In A City Like Dalllas
written by aesaac, 2007-02-16 22:03:01

In the United States we had Robert Kennedy get a bullet in the head at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, he was what, Senator Robert Kennedy then, or his brother John Kennedy took a bullet in the head in Dallas, and Reagan took a couple of bullets in the gut, and Gerald Ford. But these were Presidents of the United States that took bullets, but that is before your time, for you are infinitely naive and lack a sense of history.

aesaac, or e harmony, or whatever you want to call yourself today, you just can't see the point can you??

In your exmaple you have the assination of a president, this was planned, premeditated. A target chosen, plan devised, let's kill the president.

In the other example, you have a top political figure that was carjacked by CIRCUMSTANCE, it was most certainly NOT planned. Who in their right minds would plan to "car jack" someone that had 6 security people with her!!?? The situation is so bad in Rio that even the politicians are getting carjacked, and its certainly not because they're being targeted, they're random victims!


Also, I'm quite proud of the fact that in the history of the u.s. we've assassinated some presidents, and from time to time have other attempts. It's a little "reminder" to those "representatives" of the people who's calling the shots. In contrast to here in brazil, where they rob a few hundred million dollars, spend a week in jail, complain about the conditions, get released, and go back to their previous political positions and continue to rob and steal. Truly unreal that a people allow this type of person, activity, to continue on a daily basis year, after year, after year.

written by bo, 2007-02-16 09:28:54

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-15 20:09:16

Bo, Compton had a homicide rate of something like 67 per 100,000 people I believe in 2005. Compton is a city - a suburb I think of L.A.

Likely Compton and parts of Detroit have neighborhoods that have homicides rates of a 100 or more per 100,000 since, like Rio, many murders in U.S. cities are concentrated more in certain areas and certain neighborhoods.




Hey E, I want to ask you a serious question now. You've seen that everything that I've posted on this site, while many things not flattering to brazil, have NOT been lies or exagerrations. I have posted my personal experiences as well as factual statistics from organizations like the United Nations and also the Brazilian Federal gov't. I have in no way "exagerrated" these numbers, nor my experiences.

What I want to ask, if you could give me a straight, honest answer for once, is why do you lie, exagerrate, etc. to make the U.S. look worse than it actually is? What has happened in the U.S. to make you so bitter towards it? I'm asking because I don't believe for a minute the statutory rape thing, I would also wager 10,000 dollars that you're a female.

Because, as I have done before, and I am about to do right now, I have shown that you have outright LIED previously, as you have with the statement that I have quoted you on.

First, you covered yourself, you used the word "Likely", lol. So I could say, "likely there are "areas" in Rio where the murder rate is 500 in 100,000. Matter of fact, if you deduce Rio down to that house in Cidade de Deus last night, where all 8 people were murdered, Rio has a murder rate of 100,000 per 100,000." Get my drift? Ok..let's continue.

I quoted two sentences you made where you contradicted yourself!! You stated the homicide rate of 67, then you say "likely" its 100 ?? How do you get that?? I mean compton is a neighborhood. What are you going to do, minimize it even more to a street?? A block?? As I did in the idiotic example above, a house?

Now, here are real numbers from 2006 concerning compton california.

Don't get your panties in a twist, bo, it was a typo, a mistake. My point was Compton and Detroit likely have neighborhoods with homicide rates of 100 per 100,000 or statistically comparable.

As we see in this link below, the city of Compton for 2005 had a higher homicide rate than Rio de Janeiro.

Year 2005 homicide rate for city of Compton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...0-100,000)

Don't get your panties in a twist, bo, it was a typo, a mistake. My point was Compton and Detroit likely have neighborhoods with homicide rates of 100 per 100,000 or statistically comparable.

As we see in this link below, the city of Compton for 2005 had a higher homicide rate than Rio de Janeiro.

Year 2005 homicide rate for city of Compton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...rime_rate_(60,000-100,000)

From that link (highlight in bold mine):

Rank State City Population Burglary Theft Vehicle Arson Property Total Rape Robbery Assault Murders Violent Total Murder Rate
1 California Compton 96,874 638 971 1,006 91 2,615 40 474 1,152 65 1,731 67.1
2 Ohio Youngstown 77,747 1,718 2,216 764 107 4,698 60 347 476 34 917 43.7
3 New Jersey Camden 80,125 1,020 2,332 955 142 4,307 47 702 898 33 1,680 41.2
4 New Jersey Trenton 85,566 962 1,940 672 27 3,574 21 805 658 31 1,515 36.2
5 California Lynwood 72,108 295 578 1,037 52 1,910 23 258 374 21 676 29.1
6 Pennsylvania Reading 80,879 1,512 2,520 1,061 45 5,093 51 372 491 22 936 27.2
7 California Pico Rivera 65,631 264 773 498 25 1,535 17 117 224 15 373 22.9
8 Florida West Palm Beach 97,496 1,605 4,610 967 23 7,182 71 528 600 22 1,221 22.6
9 Georgia Macon 97,606 2,028 6,124 1,065 81 9,217 58 332 406 20 816 20.5
10 New Jersey East Orange 69,081 876 1,637 990 41 3,503 31 551 465 14 1,061 20.3

So Compton's homicide rate was 67.1 for 2005.

written by bo, 2007-02-15 23:39:02

As I've said in the past, I do not have to travel to Brazil to be shot at as I have been shot at in the United States, likewise I do not have to travel to Brazil to have someone attempt to rob me as I grew up with people trying to rob me numerous times (and the potential still exists).




Well, you may have to travel to brazil to be shot at on monday, raped on tuesday, carjacked on wednesday, and your friends and family barbecued on thursday. On friday they normally take a day off to drink cashasa.

And yet plenty of Americans and others go to Brazil and the city of Rio every year and come back perfectly fine.

written by bo, 2007-02-16 08:43:47

no buddy, naturally I'm exagerrating, as anyone can tell, with the possible exception of yourself. But our ole convicted sex-offender friend E is always trying to make comparisons in brazil and the U.S. in relation to crime and violence. The only comparison that one can make is that in a country with 70% more people, they sure as hell have a helluva lot LESS crime than brazil. Now that is a statistical and undebateable fact.

Now you go E, post some more incidents of a murder or two that took place in the U.S. in the last 48 hours.

Tell ya what, you post all the american murders, and I'll get some help to post all the ones that take place in brazil. You should make right around 14,000 posts, while me and my team will be making 55,000 !

I've already posted a news article from a U.S. newspaper, inside the Brazzil.com forum in the past, that has stated in the article that due to U.S. improvements in medical trauma care over the last 40 years, approximately 30,000 to 50,000 fewer *homicides* result annually in the United States. Implications being that without such great trauma care and response in the U.S. (by paramedics and so forth) the annual U.S. homicide rates would be close to that of Brazil's annual homicide rates. In fact U.S. medical trauma care reduces the homicides rates in the United States so greatly that some have argued - according to the article - that homicide rates are no longer a good gauge of violence within the U.S. and rather gun shot victims would be a better gauge.

Now, while either way one looks at that the U.S. comes out looking good in certain ways, but likewise no matter how one looks at that Brazil looks better than how you would depict her (at least in relation to the United States or the least technologically and medically advanced nation on earth). Why? Because if one states Brazil medical trauma care is the worse or one of the worse on earth then logic connects that to why the U.S. national homicide rate is not close to Brazil's. However, if one argues Brazil has just as good technological and medical trauma care as the United States as well trained medical doctors and paramedics in advanced trauma care, logic then connects Brazil to best in high income nations ("first world") in terms of technology and medical trauma care and related professionals.

So Compton's homicide rate was 67.1 for 2005.

Compton had a higher homicide rate than Rio and Compton is a city in the United States and the U.S. is suppose to have the best medical trauma care in the world. If no nation on earth can equal U.S. medical treatment - especially in terms of trauma care - and Brazil is one of the least technologically developed nations on earth and has one of the worlds least advanced medical trauma response and care apparatuses... then the question begs answering, How then does Compton in 2005 boast a higher homicide rate than the city of Rio in 2005? (which had a homicide rate in the 50's [between 50 or 55 I believe]).

Where are the stats? Do they really break the stats down to little cities?
You usually get the country rate, or the state or major cities.

The New York times of February 2006 paints a totally different picture than, bo. The New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02...wanted=all

It should be noted that the New York Times is the United States most venerable news paper. The New York Times along with a few other newspapers, are sold in just about every city in the United States. Even my community college receives the New York Times (I live in the Midwest). Hence the New York Times is de facto a national newspaper - and many "second tier cities" (perhaps even first tier cities as well) receive wired stories from around the world from the New York Times since the Times has reporters literally stationed all over the world.

So the article paints a picture not just of a rise in violent crimes and homicides in numerous U.S. cities while major first tier cities like L.A., Chicago, and New York experience a drop, but it paints a picture of increased aggression. One might also note the article points out the murder rates in cities are generally concentrated in certain neighborhoods and sides of towns.

Excerpt from that New York Times article:

Violent Crime Rising Sharply in Some Cities
By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: February 12, 2006
MILWAUKEE — One woman here killed a friend after they argued over a brown silk dress. A man killed a neighbor whose 10-year-old son had mistakenly used his dish soap. Two men argued over a cellphone, and pulling out their guns, the police say, killed a 13-year-old girl in the crossfire.
While violent crime has been at historic lows nationwide and in cities like New York, Miami and Los Angeles, it is rising sharply here and in many other places across the country.
And while such crime in the 1990's was characterized by battles over gangs and drug turf, the police say the current rise in homicides has been set off by something more bewildering: petty disputes that hardly seem the stuff of fistfights, much less gunfire or stabbings.
Suspects tell the police they killed someone who "disrespected" them or a family member, or someone who was "mean mugging" them, which the police loosely translate as giving a dirty look. And more weapons are on the streets, giving people a way to act on their anger.
Police Chief Nannette H. Hegerty of Milwaukee calls it "the rage thing."
"We're seeing a very angry population, and they don't go to fists anymore, they go right to guns," she said. "A police department can have an effect on drugs or gangs. But two people arguing in a home, how does the police department go in and stop that?"
Here in Milwaukee, where homicides jumped from 88 in 2004 to 122 last year, the number classified as arguments rose to 45 from 17, making up by far the largest category of killings, as gang and drug murders declined.
In Houston, where homicides rose 24 percent last year, disputes were by far the largest category, 113 out of 336 killings. Officials were alarmed by the increase in murders well before Hurricane Katrina swelled the city's population by 150,000 people in September; the police say 18 homicides were related to evacuees.
In Philadelphia, where 380 homicides made 2005 the deadliest year since 1997, 208 were disputes; drug-related killings, which accounted for about 40 percent of homicides during the high-crime period of the early 1990's, accounted for just 13 percent.
"When we ask, 'Why did you shoot this guy?' it's, 'He bumped into me,' 'He looked at my girl the wrong way,' " said Police Commissioner Sylvester M. Johnson of Philadelphia. "It's not like they're riding around doing drive-by shootings. It's arguments — stupid arguments over stupid things."
The police say the suspects and the victims tend to be black, young — midteens to mid-20's — and have previous criminal records. They tend to know each other. Several cities said that domestic violence had also risen. And the murders tend to be limited to particular neighborhoods. Downtown Milwaukee has not had a homicide in about five years, but in largely black neighborhoods on the north side, murders rose from 57 in 2004 to 94 last year.

written by jabmalassie, 2007-02-17 16:34:18

Where are the stats? Do they really break the stats down to little cities?
You usually get the country rate, or the state or major cities.

I'm not sure if you were directing you question to me or not? I'm not even sure if your question is regarding comments on homicide rates or total annual number of national homicide victims for each country and or its relation to non-fatal gun shot victims[/] and advanced medical trauma care? However, here is that news article - via investigative reporting - on how many more homicide victims the U.S. nation would have annual if it were not for its prestigious medical trauma response and care: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=529910

Excerpt from the news article related to medical trauma care dealing with gun shot victims. Highlight in bold mine.

Milwaukee has seen 94 homicides this year, down about 14% from this point in 2005. But serious shootings are coming in at a furious clip.

Froedtert is on pace to treat 459 shooting patients in its trauma center by year's end, a 34% increase over last year. Through September, Children's Hospital was running 38% ahead of last year, when it treated 110 young gunshot victims.

Researchers say paramedics, doctors and nurses have become so good at preventing shootings from becoming deaths that the homicide rate is no longer an accurate barometer of violence.

These urban medics save thousands of people who are shot every year in cities around the country, using techniques that were honed in war zones from Vietnam to the Middle East.

Now their own innovations are helping their military counterparts save the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Advances in emergency medical care over the last 40 years are responsible nationally for 30,000 to 50,000 fewer homicides annually, a study at the University of Massachusetts Amherst concluded in 2002.

Thanks E. I knew that the U.S. had extraordinary violence, seemingly more than Rio in particular, and that the figure of 30-50,000 fewer deaths from these gunshots if added to murder statistics would more closely match those of Rio. I never thought of that, thanks.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-17 14:29:17

So Compton's homicide rate was 67.1 for 2005.



Compton had a higher homicide rate than Rio and Compton is a city in the United States

No, compton is not a "city", it's a suburb of Rio. Now, if you want to take "suburbs" and make comparisons, Rio has a suburb, or neighborhood, that has a murder rate of 125 per 100,000. And, that's not even the most violent place in brazil. A suburb of Recife, which has a population of 100,000, very similar to Compton Ca, has a murder rate of 180 per 100,000!.

And E, do you realize how stupid you sound when you talk about how "medical advances" are saving peoples lives in the U.S......as if Brazil doesn't have them.

sorry, that should say compton is a suburb of Los Angeles.

My point was Compton and Detroit likely have neighborhoods with homicide rates of 100 per 100,000 or statistically comparable.

You know what, I'm seriously not responding to anyone that is as ignorant as you...yeah, you are two smart E!! LMAO!

Compton IS a neighborhood dumbass!! You don't have suburbs of suburbs, or a neighborhood within a neighborhood.

The Quality Of Medicine, Brilliant E. Harmony
written by aesaac, 2007-02-17 20:12:02

Thanks E. I knew that the U.S. had extraordinary violence, seemingly more than Rio in particular, and that the figure of 30-50,000 fewer deaths from these gunshots if added to murder statistics would more closely match those of Rio. I never thought of that, thanks.

Well hey aesaac, are you retarded?? Or is it e harmony at this moment?? Wonder how many lives are saved in brazil from medical advances made over the last 40 years.....ever think of it like that e harmony, or aesaac, or convicted felon, or whatever.

Compton is a city, not a neighborhood. But what E Harm did, perhaps inadvertantly, was make this into a racial statement instead of a USA/Brazil crime comparison.

By breaking crime statistics down into smaller units that states or counties, as he did, it becomes apparent that the statistics are misleading when applied to the greater units.

Compton is a little less than 40% African-American and a little less than 60% Latino. Camden is 53% black and 39% Latino, Trenton 52/22, Lynwood 13/82, Pico Rivera 88% Latino, Macon and E. Orange almost all African-American.

Didn´t look it up but I think blacks are about 12% of US population and Latinos less that 15% as a whole.

So what is E Harmony trying to tell us? He brought it up, I didn´t. Is this the Race Card or do you really think it adds anything to the debate, childish as it may be, about whose country is more dangerous.

I don´t know the answer to that, but these statistics do seem, notice I said seem, to indicate that at the least, avoiding violent areas on a statistical basis is much easier in the metroplexes of the USA that it is in the large cities of Brazil.

The Quality Of Medicine, Brilliant E. Harmony
written by aesaac, 2007-02-17 20:12:02

Thanks E. I knew that the U.S. had extraordinary violence, seemingly more than Rio in particular, and that the figure of 30-50,000 fewer deaths from these gunshots if added to murder statistics would more closely match those of Rio. I never thought of that, thanks.

Rio is a violent city, it's homicide rate shows it, but there are many violent cities in the United States. But even with that said no city in the United States has gangs as organized and as confident as those of Rio's or Sao Paulo. While there are some points of comparisons between U.S. inner cities or the broader central cities between those of Brazilian favelas or what have you, there are contrasts too. Some of Rio's gangs have virtual absolute control over the favelas and most their weaponry seems to be assault rifles as opposed to hand guns (which I'm sure factors into their homicide rates). This situation does not exist to that extent in the United States minus for very small pockets of areas perhaps. Some of the projects in Chicago that use to exist as towers years ago, use to be virtually absolutely controlled by gangs. Perhaps Compton in California is much the same way... I wouldn't know as I'm not familiar with it but by rep**ation.

Either way, the United States is a high income nation ("first world") yet some her cities have homicide rates if low income nations ("third world"). Most high income nation do not have cities with homicide rates of 20 per 100,000 people or 30 per 100,000 people let alone 67 per 100,000 people like Compton.

written by bo, 2007-02-17 20:30:34

My point was Compton and Detroit likely have neighborhoods with homicide rates of 100 per 100,000 or statistically comparable.




You know what, I'm seriously not responding to anyone that is as ignorant as you...yeah, you are two smart E!! LMAO!

Compton IS a neighborhood dumbass!! You don't have suburbs of suburbs, or a neighborhood within a neighborhood.

Bo,

I thought you were familiar with U.S. cities and how they are structured? Compton is a city and listed as one. Yes Compton may be a suburb but in many U.S. metropolitans city suburbs constitute part of the county. Now say this with me... "there is a difference between a county and a city." Example the city of West Allis is a suburb of Milwaukee city but constitutes part of Milwaukee county. Is L.A. county and L.A. city one and the same? Now I have not checked to see if Compton is specifically in L.A. county but from the way it is spoken of in music and by word of mouth from others, I have presumed it is part of L.A. county. Of course maybe my assumption is wrog and Compton belong to separate county - but either way it is listed as a city by which I presume like West Allis it has it's own g*ddamn mayor but provides tax dollars to the county by which it is owned. I presume Compton to be a working class suburb like West Allis also and not "suburb" as in rich folks.

written by bo, 2007-02-17 20:27:02

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-17 14:29:17

So Compton's homicide rate was 67.1 for 2005.



Compton had a higher homicide rate than Rio and Compton is a city in the United States



No, compton is not a "city", it's a suburb of Rio. Now, if you want to take "suburbs" and make comparisons, Rio has a suburb, or neighborhood, that has a murder rate of 125 per 100,000. And, that's not even the most violent place in brazil. A suburb of Recife, which has a population of 100,000, very similar to Compton Ca, has a murder rate of 180 per 100,000!.

And E, do you realize how stupid you sound when you talk about how "medical advances" are saving peoples lives in the U.S......as if Brazil doesn't have them.

Bo, what does this say below, does it not list Compton as a city, and list its state as California? In that same list the city of Racine in Wisconsin is given, and I can guarantee you Racine is a city.

Rank State City Population Burglary Theft Vehicle Arson Property Total Rape Robbery Assault Murders Violent Total Murder Rate
1 California Compton 96,874 638 971 1,006 91 2,615 40 474 1,152 65 1,731 67.1

Compton is in L.A. County. Its schools are run by the state after prior problems, unlike most California schools which are run by the municipality. Orange County is a few miles to the east, just over Coyote Creek.

L.A. County is huge, but The City of Los Angeles also has a thin sliver of land heading south from downtown so that they could have a contiguous link with the port at San Pedro. This sliver parallels the 110 Freeway.

Compton is a city, not a neighborhood. But what E Harm did, perhaps inadvertantly, was make this into a racial statement instead of a USA/Brazil crime comparison.

By breaking crime statistics down into smaller units that states or counties, as he did, it becomes apparent that the statistics are misleading when applied to the greater units.

Compton is a little less than 40% African-American and a little less than 60% Latino. Camden is 53% black and 39% Latino, Trenton 52/22, Lynwood 13/82, Pico Rivera 88% Latino, Macon and E. Orange almost all African-American.

Didn´t look it up but I think blacks are about 12% of US population and Latinos less that 15% as a whole.

So what is E Harmony trying to tell us? He brought it up, I didn´t. Is this the Race Card or do you really think it adds anything to the debate, childish as it may be, about whose country is more dangerous.

I don´t know the answer to that, but these statistics do seem, notice I said seem, to indicate that at the least, avoiding violent areas on a statistical basis is much easier in the metroplexes of the USA that it is in the large cities of Brazil.

No E harmony did not make it a racial issue. The racial issue is apparent in all the incarceration and homicide statistics in the U.S. E harmony did not create the demographics of the United States. Personally I'm unaware of any murders within the city of West Allis, Bayview, or West Milwaukee even though they make up part of Milwaukee county. So at least within that city it is the city of Milwaukee and not the county of Milwaukee nor individually any of her suburbs that produce most (or perhaps any) of the counties annual homicides - and if they do they are meager.

So Compton's rep**ation stands on its own, it does not need E harmony to increase it.

written by bo, 2007-02-17 20:39:28

The Quality Of Medicine, Brilliant E. Harmony
written by aesaac, 2007-02-17 20:12:02

Thanks E. I knew that the U.S. had extraordinary violence, seemingly more than Rio in particular, and that the figure of 30-50,000 fewer deaths from these gunshots if added to murder statistics would more closely match those of Rio. I never thought of that, thanks.



Well hey aesaac, are you retarded?? Or is it e harmony at this moment?? Wonder how many lives are saved in brazil from medical advances made over the last 40 years.....ever think of it like that e harmony, or aesaac, or convicted felon, or whatever.

And one other thing, I'm not aesaac. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them me. I know you are sexually attracted to me and all...

And here´s some info you won´t find on the web, and you couldn´t care less, but even though Compton is poor, it has or used to, a junk yard dealing exclusively in Rolls-Royces and Bentleys.

You are a paranoid Bo. You are irrationally aggresive. You use words like 'retard' and engage in a litany of name calling. Curious. You are either very young, sophomoric, or just unhappy, manifesting this in anger and aggression. Seventeen is considered an adult in 70% of the world, India, Africa, Thailand and a myriad of other countries. What felonies have you commited that you have not been caught at. . .what felonies are you afraid that you are going to commit that you attack in anger to be heard. . .anger is a manifestation of hurt. . .it has no place in intellectual discussion. . .Wisdom is knowing when you dont know something Bo. . .That was an interesting point the E. had made that though attempted murder has increased, because of advancements in Trauma Care in the U.S. had so advanced, that nearly 50,000 people that would have died five years ago did not. And no Brazil does not have the medicine that the U.S. has. . .it is behind the U.S. in mass distribution of new medical techniques and equipment. . .The U.S. has the best medicine, generally distributed throughout its population, than any other country in the world.

Bo,

I thought you were familiar with U.S. cities and how they are structured? Compton is a city and listed as one. Yes Compton may be a suburb but in many U.S. metropolitans city suburbs constitute part of the county.

That's fine, you want to classify Compton as a city, ok, but lets compare apples to apples you lying piece of garbage. You're using comption california, which is ranked as the MOST violent city for its population size with the STATE of Rio de Janeiro! A city, the most violent in america for its size, as of 2005 anyway, because it appears that Compton SIGNIFICANTLY reduced their murder rate in 2006, with a STATE that has well over 20 MILLION people. So, it would only be FAIR if we made a comparison with compton with the most violent city in BRAZIL that has a SIMILIAR popluation.....correct?

About 45,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the invasion of their country by the United States in March 2003. In 2005 alone over 55,000 Brazilians were murdered in a non-declared civil war that has been ravaging Brazil for years.

According to just-released data by Brazil's Justice Ministry more than 150 Brazilians suffered violent death each day last year. The government, however, called reporters to tell that crime has been dropping in Brazil in recent years mainly due to disarmament campaigns.

For Marcelo Durante, the Justice Ministry's report coordinator, the biggest reduction in criminality occurred in states where more people participated in the government program to buy back firearms.

Durante also revealed that many violent crimes are underreported in Brazil. He mentioned for example that it's believed that 75% of robberies and 85% of rapes are never reported to the police.

Many Brazilian seem to think that reporting those crimes would be just a waste of time since the authorities wouldn't do anything anyway.

The government study listed crimes that occurred in cities with more than a 100,000 inhabitants in 2004 and 2005. The numbers come straight from the states Security Secretariats.

The state of Rio de Janeiro despite a 4% decrease in the number of violent deaths kept its title as murder champion followed by Pernambuco state in the Brazilian northeast.

Camaragibe, a city in Recife's (capital of Pernambuco) metropolitan area, was the municipality with the highest number of violent deaths. There were 180.9 murders for each 100 thousand residents during the period studied.

Duque de Caxias, in Rio de Janeiro, came in second with 120.7 deaths per 100,000. And it was a big surprise to see Curitiba, capital of the southern state of Paraná, appearing in third, with a rate of 119.9 deaths.

For comparison's sake, New Orleans, the US most violent city had a murder rate of 53.1 deaths per 100,000 before the Katrina hurricane. In Washington DC the rate is 45 per 100,000, in Detroit, 41.8 and in Iraq 27.5 violent deaths per 100,000 people.

All over Brazil, the number of deaths by violent crime grew 1% from 2004 to 2005, raising from 54,696 homicides to 55.312. This despite the reduction of murders in 11 states including Rio Grande do Sul, which saw an expressive decline of 35%.

Now, there is not ONE american city with a population of 100,000 or more, and I can say with confidence that there is NOT an american city regardless of the size, that even has a murder rate of 100 per 100,000!

Now, Camaragibe, with it's 180.9 murder rate per 100,000, guess what it's population is??? Right at 100,000, just like your dangerous "compton", just like your dangerous Gary Indiana. So, it would be absolutely accurate in making comparisons with these cities.


Here are the FACTS

2005

Brazil - population = 185,000,000 - 55,312 murders

U.S. - population = 300,000,000 (we can safely assume 310 million as naturally illegal aliens are counted) - 14,200 murders




Now, you can try and take this society, that has nearly HALF the population of the other, but has 4 times the number of murders. Go ahead, twist and tort, you're doing a "bang-up" job E. Not ONE of your arguments holds water. You make comparisons of the most violent cities in the U.S. with populations of 100,000 with brazilian STATES with populations of 20 million, lol. What an idiot. Now, go ahead, blame it on medical technology, lol. You ARE an idiot. I live in brazil, I'm well aware of the medical technology they have available here, and it is the SAME as in the U.S. Matter of fact, there are MANY doctors throughout brazil that study medicine in the U.S. as well as Europe....many.

The next thing you're going to tell us is that this many people die in brazil because brazilians are better "shooters" than americans, lol.

U.S. - population = 300,000,000 (we can safely assume 310 million as naturally illegal aliens are counted)

that should say are NOT counted.

Heh Bo Bo
written by aesaac, 2007-02-17 22:42:56

You are a paranoid Bo. You are irrationally aggresive. You use words like 'retard' and engage in a litany of name calling. Curious. You are either very young, sophomoric, or just unhappy, manifesting this in anger and aggression. Seventeen is considered an adult in 70% of the world, India, Africa, Thailand and a myriad of other countries. What felonies have you commited that you have not been caught at. . .what felonies are you afraid that you are going to commit that you attack in anger to be heard. . .anger is a manifestation of hurt. . .it has no place in intellectual discussion. . .Wisdom is knowing when you dont know something Bo. . .That was an interesting point the E. had made that though attempted murder has increased, because of advancements in Trauma Care in the U.S. had so advanced, that nearly 50,000 people that would have died five years ago did not. And no Brazil does not have the medicine that the U.S. has.

listen aesaac, e harmony, whatever. I'm 100% certain it's the same person, afterall, what human would take up for another, not even knowing that person, that is a self admitted sex offender, with minors. That posts nude pictures of him(her) self on the internet and claims to be a fag. For your information, I have NEVER committed a felony in my life, thank you very much.

And it most certainly was NOT an interesting point E made about "medical technology", you aesaac, coincidentally sounding like e harmony, must have NEVER stepped foot in brazil either! One of the BEST hospitals for HEART patients in the WORLD is in Sao Paulo Brasil, I know, my daughter at 6 months had life saving surgery there. And I'm familiar with the BEST heart hospital in the WORLD, which is known by doctors to be the Cleveland Clinic, my father died 3 months after having surgery there. So I'm familiar with them both, and there wasn't a nut hairs difference. For you to claim that brazil doesn't have the medical technology that exists in the U.S. is not only absurd, but insane.



Please aesaac, tell me how the U.S. is as violent as brazil. Go ahead, I want to see you rectify 55,000 murders amongst a population of 185 million to 14,000 murders amongst a population of 300 million......go ahead, I'm waiting to hear some more absurdities.

E harmony, this will be my last direct post to you. First, let me say, I KNOW you are a chick, and a sick one at that. But first let's assume that you are telling the truth, you're a guy, former marine, convicted of statutory rape, that has a thing for tranny's. If that is all true, you are sick, and truly, are not someone that I have the desire to debate with. Especially given the way you outright LIE, TWIST, AND TORT.

If what I would be willing to wager 10,000 dollars on is true, and that is that you are a FEMALE that is completely making all this s**t up, once again, you are sick, and someone I have no desire to debate with, especially given the way you outright LIE, TWIST,AND TORT.


E....get a life.

...
written by Ric, 2007-02-17 21:22:26

Compton is a city, not a neighborhood. But what E Harm did, perhaps inadvertantly, was make this into a racial statement instead of a USA/Brazil crime comparison.

By breaking crime statistics down into smaller units that states or counties, as he did, it becomes apparent that the statistics are misleading when applied to the greater units.

Compton is a little less than 40% African-American and a little less than 60% Latino. Camden is 53% black and 39% Latino, Trenton 52/22, Lynwood 13/82, Pico Rivera 88% Latino, Macon and E. Orange almost all African-American.

Didn´t look it up but I think blacks are about 12% of US population and Latinos less that 15% as a whole.

So what is E Harmony trying to tell us? He brought it up, I didn´t. Is this the Race Card or do you really think it adds anything to the debate, childish as it may be, about whose country is more dangerous.

I don´t know the answer to that, but these statistics do seem, notice I said seem, to indicate that at the least, avoiding violent areas on a statistical basis is much easier in the metroplexes of the USA that it is in the large cities of Brazil.

well of course it is Ric. You seem like an intelligent guy, you're familiar with brazil and the U.S. The problem here in brazil is that there aren't "safe areas" or "dangerous areas", it's ALL dangerous. Believe me, in my city, that boasts the "best quality of life in the northeast" of brazil, I live in the most affulent neighborhood, the poverty comes to my doorstep! In the U.S., primarily in large cities, there are "areas" that one is "warned" about. Normally drug areas. And the violence in these "areas" is typically "gang" violence that is perpetrated on each other, gang on gang violence. Unlike in Rio where they go and specifically target the tourists and middle, upper class population.

E. may be, in your opinion, the most awful of people, but that does not 'a priori' negate the validity of her information. I have been advised not to use 'public medical services' in Brazil, but public medical services in the U.S. are to be trusted, as any patient has to be admitted to any hospital when presenting in a state of emergency. All doctors in the U.S. are not equal. Money buys competency.

And I would like to see the force of law practiced here in Brazil. But if the law is enforced it must be enforced in both directions, up as well as down. Political cronies do not want a just, equitable, powerful Police enforcement, it threatens them. Look at the graft and political scandals last year, O Globo did a great job, couragous, really. . .A Free Press and a graft and corrupt free active Police would bode well for the life of the country of Brazil.

written by bo, 2007-02-18 07:02:26

Here are the FACTS

2005

Brazil - population = 185,000,000 - 55,312 murders

U.S. - population = 300,000,000 (we can safely assume 310 million as naturally illegal aliens are counted) - 14,200 murders




Now, you can try and take this society, that has nearly HALF the population of the other, but has 4 times the number of murders. Go ahead, twist and tort, you're doing a "bang-up" job E. Not ONE of your arguments holds water. You make comparisons of the most violent cities in the U.S. with populations of 100,000 with brazilian STATES with populations of 20 million, lol. What an idiot. Now, go ahead, blame it on medical technology, lol. You ARE an idiot. I live in brazil, I'm well aware of the medical technology they have available here, and it is the SAME as in the U.S. Matter of fact, there are MANY doctors throughout brazil that study medicine in the U.S. as well as Europe....many.

The next thing you're going to tell us is that this many people die in brazil because brazilians are better "shooters" than americans, lol.

Bo, there are more "facts" than you present. The number of surviving shooting victims in the U.S. compared to those that die from gun fire is a "fact." The science of ballistics is a "fact" interrelated to both Brazilian and U.S. homicides - and from what I have read I'm left with the impression far more often in Brazil people are shot by rounds coming out of assault rifles than they are in the U.S. which seems to more often use .38 caliber pistols and or 9 mm pistols (this is the impression I have at least from some essays, but I have never read a detailed study committed just all statistical data related to this subject both in Brazil and the U.S.).

As for smaller cities in Brazil that have homicide rates of 180 per 100,000 people - if that is the case then that is the case. I can accept that if that is the truth, but that Brazilian reality, at least for those Brazilians that live in that Brazilian city or others like it, does not change or reduce the "third world" violence in many U.S. cities including Compton, California or Gary, Indiana, or even Washington D.C. or Detroit.

And homicide rate has little to do with population size of a city so it is justifiable to compare smaller towns like Gary or Compton to megalopolis like Rio or Sao Paulo in terms of homicide rate and not *total annual homicide numbers.* A larger city will often have the capacity to produce more murders annually partially based upon its numerical strength. Homicide rate however, although not a perfect measurement, is one of the better measures we have thus far today to statistically gauge one's increased or decreased chances of being murdered in given drawn geographical area. In that case, within its imperfect measurements and limitations, we can assess it is safer for a Brazilian to live in Rio than it is for an American (USA) to live in Compton or Gary. However, if said experts are correct that U.S. gun violence victims (surviving or dead) rather than homicide victims are a far more accurate gauge of U.S. violence due to the significant advancements in U.S. trauma care over the last four decades or so, it is unknown how those various variables would reshape "violence" statistics and conclusions in both Brazil and the United States. It could be Brazil would still be determined by the data to be far more violent than the U.S. overall? It could be certain Brazilian cities would be comparably less violent than certain large U.S. cities like Detroit? But one thing is for sure, the United States would be concluded to be extremely more violent over all than contemporary data shows. Just look at that case of Milwaukee given in one of those above articles: there are only 365 days in a year yet annually approximately 600 people are shot and out of all those 600 victims that go to the hospital only roughly 100 to 130 or so will flatline in the surgery room or be declared DOA (Dead On Arrival). So that's about 450ish to 500 people annually that could arrive at those Milwaukee hospitals as potential flatliners with gun shot wounds but are saved. The number 600 > 365 and roughly can be worked out to approximately 2 shooting victims a day in a city of about 500,000. Medical wise that can viewed as a approximately 2 gunshot potential deaths a day in a city of approximately 500,000. (this of course is not including stabbing victims or beating victims - nor even all those shot at but missed)

written by bo, 2007-02-18 07:33:08

well of course it is Ric. You seem like an intelligent guy, you're familiar with brazil and the U.S. The problem here in brazil is that there aren't "safe areas" or "dangerous areas", it's ALL dangerous. Believe me, in my city, that boasts the "best quality of life in the northeast" of brazil, I live in the most affulent neighborhood, the poverty comes to my doorstep! In the U.S., primarily in large cities, there are "areas" that one is "warned" about. Normally drug areas. And the violence in these "areas" is typically "gang" violence that is perpetrated on each other, gang on gang violence. Unlike in Rio where they go and specifically target the tourists and middle, upper class population.

No, you called me an idiot for calling Compton a city and claimed it was only a "suburb" and a "neighborhood." Granted some suburbs - cities at that - can be the size of "neighborhoods" but some are not. The tone and diction of you post in response to my reference of Compton as a city and your certainty of it as only a "suburb" and "not a city" is telling your experience in the United States. Your commentary above in reference to "drug areas" in U.S. metropolitans is equally revealing. Your diction and tones leads one to believe you lived in predominately rural and or "suburban" counties in the United States and had little to no contact with the larger "big city" metropolitans and if you did have contact with them it was only fleeting - tourist quality or voyeurism quality visits. Because the basic structure of every g*ddamn traditional "metropolitan" in the United States is the county with it's city proper (known "big city") and all that city's suburban cities that provide tax dollars and legislative representation to the county. In Milwaukee the city and county have the same name, but that is not true every where you go in the U.S. for instance when I lived briefly in Las Vegas, the city of Las Vegas did not have the same name as the county, and many people were moving to the "suburban" cities of Las Vegas within the same county that Las Vegas belonged to. I can't remember what the hell the name of that Nevada county is that Las Vegas is in.

Anyways... let me tell you something about "metropolitans" in the U.S. be it Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Chicago, Las Angeles, Atlanta, or some metropolitan on the East Coast of the United States. These "drug areas" you speak of don't exist. The entire g*ddamn metropolitan is a drug area every g*ddamn middle class neighborhood has drug houses or bars where illegal narcotics can be bought. Granted, crack cocaine and "dog food" (rocked up heroine) distribution centers are concentrated in areas of the inner cities or low housing suburban areas, but the drug usage (meaning various drugs not just crack or "dog food") and locations of drug sells are spread out all over the metropolitan. For a variety of reasons, to score crack cocaine many in better off suburbs often times have to drive into the "central city" (poor, middle class, and rich neighborhoods that are the central heart, throb, and concentrated lived areas of the city [surrounding the down town regions for miles and miles] - as opposed to the suburbs or way off outlying areas of the city). This is why that one tower (apartment building) in Chicago that got busted, owned by the Gangster Disciples (aka Growth & Development), that had sniper set up on top of the roof protecting to drug dealers below, was a building that was making $1 million a day in sells of crack cocaine. Those Chicago Gangster Disciples also owned night clubs in Atlanta, Georgia. Hell, in my town you even have children day care centers busted for running narcotics (cocaine/crack).

Note: I put "metropolitan" in quote marks because today the term is also being used to include outlying counties were many have fled to to get away from city crime, traffic, and strife but still hold economic and political sway in the traditional county or counties known as metropolitans.

metropolis is the noun form


met·ro·pol·i·tan (mtr-pl-tn)
adj.
1.
a. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a major city: crowded metropolitan streets; a metropolitan newspaper.
b. Of or constituting a large city or urbanized area, including adjacent suburbs and towns: the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area; a metropolitan county.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting the home territory of an imperial or colonial state.
3. Of or relating to an ecclesiastical metropolitan.
n.
1. A citizen of a metropolis, especially one who displays urbane characteristics, attitudes, and values.

we can assess it is safer for a Brazilian to live in Rio than it is for an American (USA) to live in Compton or Gary.

it depends on the neighborhood you're in now doesn't it?? As RIO is NOT a neighborhood. You are comparing apples to oranges!!

If one is living in Duque de Caixas, which is in Rio de Janeiro, than he is nearly twice as likely to be shot than in Compton in 2005, and more than twice as likely as in Gary!!!

OK, let's compare Camaragibe with New York City, not quite a fair comparison now wouldn't you say??? Camaragibe, although the most violent city, or neighborhood, in brazil, is NOT a megalopolis in itself.

You see what you are doing, so does everyone else.

You see E, you make comparisons that are apples to oranges. Comparisons that would NEVER be held as scientifically valid. You don't compare like groups.


OK, so you avoided the question, as did your alter ego aesaac.......please, rectify this for me.

2005

Brazil - population = 185,000,000 - 53,200 murders

U.S.A. - population = 300,000,000 - 14,000 murders




Until you rectify that we have nothing more to talk about. The point is, is that Brazil is a MUCH more violent country than the U.S.A. And that is a statistical fact.

and dickhead, I lived in Atlanta Georgia for 7 years! Was downtown EVERYDAY, and even in some of the "hoods" after dark.

written by bo, 2007-02-18 16:28:08

it depends on the neighborhood you're in now doesn't it?? As RIO is NOT a neighborhood. You are comparing apples to oranges!!

If one is living in Duque de Caixas, which is in Rio de Janeiro, than he is nearly twice as likely to be shot than in Compton in 2005, and more than twice as likely as in Gary!!!

bo, are you that mentally slow or do you try to be? Gary is not a "neighborhood," Gary is a city. So how do you know there is not a neighborhood in Gary in which most the city's murders generally are concentrated?

And I would be curious to find out what the murder rate in London and Paris is compared to much smaller Gary, Compton, and Detroit? Are Europeans and their civilizations and or nation states superior to all those things of the United States? I mean all those cities are in "high income nations" ("first world") and Rio de Janeiro is in a "middle income nation" ("second world") so I'm curious as to how the United States compares to her economic peers in Western Europe (Japan, South Africa, and Australia aside) in these terms of homicide rates?

written by bo, 2007-02-18 16:29:29

and dickhead, I lived in Atlanta Georgia for 7 years! Was downtown EVERYDAY, and even in some of the "hoods" after dark.

I hear Atlanta has a vibrant black homosexual scene - especially after dark. Correlation?

Hate to pick holes in arguments, but the City and County of San Francisco are one and the same.

written by Ric, 2007-02-19 13:19:25

Hate to pick holes in arguments, but the City and County of San Francisco are one and the same.

Hate to pick holes in arguments, but I never offered the proposition that the city and county of San Francisco are not are not the same geopolitical body - assuming they are.

My proposition was that county and city are not one and the same - that is in so far as the two are predicated upon a difference i.e. if L.A. county and L.A. city were one and the same then L.A. county would not just be redundant but it would be an oxymoron.

A county or any physical place or object cannot by definition be an oxymoron.

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written by Ric, 2007-02-20 11:53:24

A county or any physical place or object cannot by definition be an oxymoron.

I was just getting ready to post the same thing.

E continues to show us how he is two smart!

In commenting on this crime as decribed above, this week´s Veja compares Brazil with an ostrich with its head in the sand in terms of its approach to crime. Seen any of that ostrich behavior? Surely not.

[quotewritten by Ric, 2007-02-20 11:53:24

A county or any physical place or object cannot by definition be an oxymoron.]

To both bo and Ric, a county, nation state, or city are humanly define drawn regions, a county or city is not an element with in the biological or natural science - in other words a "county" is essentially a concept. Hence the term oxymoron can be apllied in the context I gave.

A concept cannot de described as an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. It´s a semantical category. S.I. Hiakawa supports this definition.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 14:56:00

[quotewritten by Ric, 2007-02-20 11:53:24

A county or any physical place or object cannot by definition be an oxymoron.]

To both bo and Ric, a county, nation state, or city are humanly define drawn regions, a county or city is not an element with in the biological or natural science - in other words a "county" is essentially a concept. Hence the term oxymoron can be apllied in the context I gave.

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written by Ric, 2007-02-20 15:27:30

A concept cannot de described as an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. It´s a semantical category. S.I. Hiakawa supports this definition.

And now E, you're rebuttal???

E, you have shown, time after time, how in-tell-E-gent U R. You's certainly is TWOOOOO smart!

written by Ric, 2007-02-20 15:27:30

A concept cannot de described as an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a contradiction in terms. It´s a semantical category. S.I. Hiakawa supports this definition.

Yeah I know what an oxymoron is, example: up is down.

To suggest a there is no difference between county and city yet at the same time to suggest that there is real difference in county and city can be expressed as more than just a paradox, assuming that were true, it could also be said that L.A. county and L.A. city exist as an oxymoron within relation to one another not just a matter of being redundant. As for the implications in the word "terms," a term can be 2y, hence if a is a real number we are speaking of the term 2y as being a concept in so far that it is representative of something unknown or part of an abstract expression, 2y c - 42.

I had a plus sign in between that 2y and c, so I don't know why it didn't show up when I hit add comment.

Try not to hit the comment window, just nudge it.

While it is correct to say that 2y is a term, if the sign before it is implied, algebraic use of the word term is not the same as the philosophic use of the word.

Like you, I tried to put a plus sign in between "the" and "before", and it wouldn´t work. So I retract my comment about hitting the key.

Just say that 2y is a monomial.

written by Ric, 2007-02-20 20:11:43

Try not to hit the comment window, just nudge it.

While it is correct to say that 2y is a term, if the sign before it is implied, algebraic use of the word term is not the same as the philosophic use of the word.

@ bold: You may be correct on this, I'm not sure, as the only philosophy I know is from my own personal reading, and that has been very limited - especially so since most the philosophical terms or methods of thought I became familiar with derive from limited theological reading.

Nonetheless, the logic seems to be inherent enough in the algebraic use of "trems" and "expressions" be it in the forms of inequalities or direct equations also.

the proposition that same is equal to difference if numerically the product of two terms are different is a false proposition. However, the proposition that same is equal difference if a is a real number, and numerically the product of two terms are the same is a true proposition.

If county is represented by b and b is 6; if city is represented by c and c is 1, then if we write this up as:

1b plus 1c = 7. This is a true statement.

1b plus 1c = 1. This is a false statement.

Or

1b > 1c. True.

1b < 1c. False.

Expressed in a different way and in the form of an equation we could say that in relation to the latter (inequality) - expressed differently that is, that the proposition that the sum = the difference is an oxymoron.

written by e harmony, 2007-02-21 10:50:28

@ bold: You may be correct on this, I'm not sure, as the only philosophy I know is from my own personal reading, and that has been very limited - especially so since most the philosophical terms or methods of thought I became familiar with derive from limited theological reading.

Nonetheless, the logic seems to be inherent enough in the algebraic use of "trems" and "expressions" be it in the forms of inequalities or direct equations also.

the proposition that same is equal to difference if numerically the product of two terms are different is a false proposition. However, the proposition that same is equal difference if a is a real number, and numerically the product of two terms are the same is a true proposition.

If county is represented by b and b is 6; if city is represented by c and c is 1, then if we write this up as:

1b plus 1c = 7. This is a true statement.

1b plus 1c = 1. This is a false statement.

Or

1b > 1c. True.

1b < 1c. False.

Expressed in a different way and in the form of an equation we could say that in relation to the latter (inequality) - expressed differently that is, that the proposition that the sum = the difference is an oxymoron.

Correction: actually I should have used an algebraic lesser than or equal to sign.

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-21 10:50:28

written by Ric, 2007-02-20 20:11:43

Try not to hit the comment window, just nudge it.

While it is correct to say that 2y is a term, if the sign before it is implied, algebraic use of the word term is not the same as the philosophic use of the word.



@ bold: You may be correct on this, I'm not sure, as the only philosophy I know is from my own personal reading, and that has been very limited - especially so since most the philosophical terms or methods of thought I became familiar with derive from limited theological reading.

Nonetheless, the logic seems to be inherent enough in the algebraic use of "trems" and "expressions" be it in the forms of inequalities or direct equations also.

the proposition that same is equal to difference if numerically the product of two terms are different is a false proposition. However, the proposition that same is equal difference if a is a real number, and numerically the product of two terms are the same is a true proposition.

If county is represented by b and b is 6; if city is represented by c and c is 1, then if we write this up as:

1b plus 1c = 7. This is a true statement.

1b plus 1c = 1. This is a false statement.

Or

1b > 1c. True.

1b < 1c. False.

Expressed in a different way and in the form of an equation we could say that in relation to the latter (inequality) - expressed differently that is, that the proposition that the sum = the difference is an oxymoron.

I know this looks(sounds) childish, but I just can't help it......









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You ignorant woodpecker!!!




Get back on point, would ya?

Noun 1. oxymoron - conjoining contradictory terms (as in `deafening silence')
figure of speech, trope, image, figure - language used in a figurative or nonliteral sense

It is a non literal concept, the discussion is oxymoronic. The meaning is implied, it is non literal.

Well! Thank you! That seems to sum it up. Of course, non-literal does not mean the same thing as non-verbal. Say, what do you think about the fact that Trend used the word "gruesome" three times in the title and first two paragraphs? Was he trying to make a point?

The other thing I don´t understand, he said "In Brazil, not only is there no death penalty (a good thing);"

Was he saying that the death penalty is a good thing? Because after parsing the sentence, that´s the way I took it. Just asking.

Thanks for your input.

'Yellow Journalism'. . .the use of 'buzz' words is designed to create interest in the reader. It is the same reason that people slow to watch an accident on the freeway, to gawk at the gore. It is human nature to be interested in gore, other peoples', the Roman Collesium was filled to capacity every weekend, it is a kind of human sacrifice, better them then us sort of thing.

Better the screams of others, we feel better that it was not us.

Morbid would have been a less interesting, though more academic word. Gruesomeness is a matter of opinion.

He is of the opinion that the 'death penalty' has a deterent effect on the perpetration of crime. Public hangings, or beheadings, or drawing and quartering, or flogging would have much better effect. Criminals are more concerned about preserving their image than prison.

Prison here is a home a way from home. Cell phones, T.V.s? Lock the bastards up in isolation. Scandanavian countries have very little recitivism prisoners are kept in isolation. It is so horrid an experience that seven years is a long sentence, and nobody wants to go back.

Can someone please tell me how the death penalty would have a deterent effect on crime?

Brazil currently kills more criminals than any other nation in the hemisphere. The fact that they generaly don't pass in front of a court first doesn't make the deterrent effect any less viable.

And yet, since we've begun to authorize the work of death squads such as BOPE, CORE and ROTA in the country's favelas, violent crime has only increased.

All Brazilian criminals know that if they are caught in the act, there's a good chance they will be killed. All citizens know this too. In fact, I will repeat my bet here: I bet that at least 2 out of 3 of Joel's murderers will be dead by x-mas. I'll placed 50 USD on this bet. The only question is whether the cops or the gangs will get them first.

So where are my takers, oh you people who believe that Brazil is lenient on criminals?

Looking at the article again, it seems that the "good thing" refers to the entire phrase, the fact that there is no death penalty in Brazil is the "good thing".

And yet, it´s true that we do have the death penalty, just an unapproved one. A guy is carjacked on a jungle road by two guys from the NE. They leave him robbed, beaten and dressed only in his kwekas (an article of clothing often used for transporting cash), tied up in the jungle. He gets loose, it´s nighttime, stands in the road, car sees him, knows him, cops catch the bad guys. One bad guy tells the other one: "I told you we should have killed him". Because they know what´s next, and sure enough, the police drive back into town with two Cearenses shot dead. "They tried to get away". And that´s OK.

Why do BraziIians often say, "Pois é, coitado, ele amanheceu morto..."... ELE NÃO AMANHECEU COISA NENHUMA!

A guy is carjacked on a jungle road by two guys from the NE. They leave him robbed, beaten and dressed only in his kwekas (an article of clothing often used for transporting cash

I have never heard of a dead killer coming back to kill again.
It works, we just need more of it.
Once an animal kills tastes blood you must put it down, more to the point,
it must be put down before if mates.

I saw an interview in which a condemned killer was asked it he thought the death penalty was a deterrent. "Well, " he said, "I know it´s going to deter me."

"And homicide rate has little to do with population size of a city so it is justifiable to compare smaller towns like Gary or Compton to megalopolis like Rio or Sao Paulo in terms of homicide rate"

It's got EVERYTHING to do with different populations you f**king tool! Duque de Caxias, despite being several times larger, STILL has a higher homicide rate than Compton or Gary. f**king idiot.

Brazil's homicides would be higher if not for police corruption - though other Latin American nations have similar problems with that. And please, the favela gangs of Rio are dysfunctional youths not a mafia.

Colombia has 128,000 murders a year now not i8 per 100,000.

That guy from LA blowing about it's violence, you wouldn't last a minute in a Rio favela. I doubt you know what a gunbattle is.

Meant to say 'Colombia has 18,000 murders a year now not 18 per 100,000.'