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Medieval Murder in Brazil Highlights Rio Brutality PDF Print E-mail
2007 - February 2007
Written by Stuart Morton   
Tuesday, 13 February 2007 06:07

João Hélio Fernandes, the 6-year-old boy killed in Rio, BrazilWith only days remaining until the start of Carnaval, and after weeks  of  escalating violence confirming the sudden emergence of powerful  militias in  the city, inhabitants of Rio de Janeiro were again left reeling this  week as  details emerged of the most recent chapter in the city's brutal descent  into  archaic lawlessness.

Six-year old João Hélio Fernandes was killed on Wednesday night after  being  dragged through the city's North Zone, suspended from the rear door of  his  mother's stolen car as teenage bandits sped past horrified onlookers  and a  routine carjacking turned to tragedy.

In the wake of the latest heinous murder to rock Rio and with a  rapidly-worsening conflict between militias and drug gangs on his  hands,  state governor Sergio Cabral was expected to ask Alberto Gonzalez of  the  U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency for help in combating the city's  cocaine-fueled violence, during a meeting this week in Brazilian capital Brasília.

The  request follows a post-Christmas period in which policemen have been  ambushed and murdered and packed public buses incinerated by  traffickers.

Like a Paper Airplane

Fernandes' mother and sister were ordered from their car at gunpoint  Wednesday night. After exiting the car, Rosa Fernandes tried to pull  her son  to safety, but the assailants sped off, trapping João's seatbelt in the  door. The boy was dragged alongside the car for five miles. He is  thought to  have endured the ordeal for around ten minutes before dying of head  injuries.

Police and journalists alike wept openly as the horrific remains of  João's  corpse were removed for burial. Two teenage gang members were quickly  arrested and charged with manslaughter after the eldest, Diego  Nascimento da  Silva, 18, was denounced to the police by his father.

The second, a 16  year-old minor who could not be named by police, was charged as an  accomplice while a known associate of the two was released after  questioning. Under Brazilian law, the accused are likely to spend five  and  three years in jail respectively.

Witnesses say they saw the car speeding so quickly along the streets  that  João was flying alongside it, undulating "like a paper airplane."  Scores of  horrified onlookers screamed at the driver to stop, but da Silva was  heard  shouting that the boy was his "Judas doll," referring to a Brazilian  tradition in which dolls representing Judas are punched and exploded.

A motorcyclist pursued the vehicle, pleading with da Silva through the  driver's window until a gun was aimed at his head, forcing him to  desist.  One man later spoke of seeing the boy's "little body" hanging in fetal  position behind the rear wheel of the car, decapitated, a stream of  blood in  its wake.

When the car was finally abandoned, the assailants fled to their favela  homes and then into hiding, but they were quickly caught after da  Silva's  father called police and told them his son had admitted to the crime.

Paradise Lost

The boy's death is the latest episode in an escalating climate of  brutality,  in a catastrophically corrupt city where two percent of murders are  solved  and the only consistent law and order has long been meted out by the  rival  cocaine gangs who fight for control of the city's more than seven  hundred  favelas, or slums.

Gangs maintain medieval codes of law, extorting  money  from residents and handing out death sentences to anyone who dares to  cross  them.

Fernanda da Cruz, a nineteen year-old favela resident, told me of  the  death of her seventeen year-old sister: "She was dating a drug dealer  and  the rule is, you cannot break up with a dealer. He can have as many  girls as  he wants but no-one may leave him. My sister broke up with the guy and  he  came back to our house later that night and shot her in the head."  Fernanda  went on to tell me that her youngest sister, aged three, had recently  left  kindergarten because it was "too violent."

In 2002, Brazil was appalled by the murder of TV Globo journalist Tim  Lopes,  who was kidnapped and cut into small pieces with a samurai sword after  attempting to film traffickers forcing girls to have sex with them at  one of  Rio's notorious "funk balls."

Lopes' murder may have been the incident  which  forced home the reality of life in the favela for those who dare not  step  inside it, but as 2007 gathers pace, it is becoming clear to even the  richest and most privileged citizens of a place which boasts one of the  largest gaps between rich and poor in the world that the most beautiful  city  in the Americas is a paradise already lost.

Reality was highlighted in  November 2006, when the 58 year-old socialite ex-wife of billionaire  businessman Germano Gerdau was shot dead at the wheel of her Mercedes  in  Leblon, Rio's richest neighborhood, by a thief on a bicycle.

The city's violence has been worsening for decades, particularly since  the  early nineties, when cocaine gangs began reaching Colombian  proportions.  There are so many guns in the hands of the city's cocaine-addled youths  today that routine robberies have turned into routine murders, and the  ruthless Military Police who patrol the city's streets are estimated by  human rights organizations to be eight times more likely to kill than  be  killed.

Now though, a new player is emerging. Militias comprised of current and  former policemen, prison guards, and firemen are forming to eject drug  gangs  from the favelas - something the state apparatus has only ever been  able to  achieve temporarily.

Unlike the police and the army though, the  paramilitary  groups stay in control of conquered favelas, filling a power vacuum and  essentially replacing the drug gangs as extorters of money, or  "security  taxes," from the favela's population.

Openly recruiting new members on  'Orkut', Brazil's Google-operated alternative to My Space, the militias  have  surged since early 2006 and are now thought to be in control of around  100 favelas in Rio.

The state's politicians are publicly appalled by the success of the  militias, with Cabral labelling them "the end of the world." If they  can be  controlled, however, they may actually aid the state in its bid for the  favelas.

But as drug dealers are driven out, where will they go  instead? The  acts of terrorism which claimed so many lives in December were claimed  by  traffickers who had lost their territory to militias, and Comando  Vermelho,  Rio's most powerful gang, promised a "river of blood."

Whether attributable to Rio's principal gang or to smaller players like  those who killed João Fernandes on Wednesday, that river is certainly  flowing. Now, after a miserable early summer of heavy rains and endless  violence, Rio needs its Carnaval like never before. The police, right  on  cue, are threatening a strike over wages.



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Rot in hell!!!
written by Kungfuadam, February 13, 2007
May the perpetrators die and rot in hell.
BETTER OFF WITH OUT THE POLICE
written by forrest allen brown, February 13, 2007
LET THE EPOLICE STRIKE

CALL IN THE ARMY , AND NAVY TO WATCH THE CARNAVAL

EVEN WHEN THER ARE ON STRIKE THEY STILL ARE ON THE STREETS STILL FLASHING BADGES AND TAKING MONEY FROM PEOPLE AT WILL

MOST MILITARY WOULD TAKE 2 TO 3 DAYS BEFORE THEY LEARNED TO DO THE SAME
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written by GTY, February 13, 2007
"state governor Sergio Cabral was expected to ask Alberto Gonzalez of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency for help in combating the city's cocaine-fueled violence, during a meeting this week in Brazilian capital Brasília."

Huh?? Rio is out of control, the journalists are now calling it terrorism. Brazil and Brazilians continue down the Lula / Chavez path of anti-Americanism...now they may ask Alberto Gonzalez for help (by the way, the author is a moron, Alberto Gonzalez is the Attorney General, of course he does over see the DEA)??? Kids with Osama T-Shirts in Zona Sul, anti-Americanism all over this blog, I was at a standing olvation for Ferinhiet 911 in Ipanema. What should the US do if Brazil requests our help...Help of course, we always help our friends...even if they have forgotten how to be friends.
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written by viking, February 14, 2007
Rio needs help. I am all for vigilante groups at this point. If you want safety, I suggest more people take the law into their own hands. Unless your living in a vacuum, you know there is currently no effective law enforcement in the favelas. This is similar to the Iraqi emergence of militias to protect the neighborhoods. It is a natural reaction to lawless streets. People want safety, period. You want to know that your wife, daughter and children are safe from extremely dangerous men.

Do not make the same mistakes George Bush made and think if you just believe, law and order will rule. The militias are effective and that is what counts to the citizens at the moment.

nevermind brazil
written by jack britt, February 14, 2007
stay away from rio de janeiro!
Culture problem
written by brazil lover, February 14, 2007
Culture problem that will soon arrive on the shores of decent nations if it is not addressed. Desarmamento is a failure, every lowlife in the favela has access to firearms while the working stiff has to suffer indiginties of criminal assaulthttp://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html should be required reading.
Medieval Murder in USA Highlights American Brutality
written by Why do you want to know, February 14, 2007
Gee how nice to have the same problem in America.


http://cnn.usnews.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Chief: Teen gunman set out to kill many - CNN.com&expire=&urlID=21173855&fb=Y&url=http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/13/salt.lake.shooting.ap/index.html&partnerID=2004


Chief: Teen gunman set out to kill many

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A trench coat-clad teenager who opened fire on shoppers at a mall had one thing in mind: "to kill a large number of people."

And he likely would have killed more than five had an off-duty officer not confronted him, Salt Lake City's police chief said Tuesday.

"There is no question that [the officer's] quick action saved the lives of numerous other people," Chief Chris Burbank said.

Burbank identified the gunman as Sulejmen Talovic, an 18-year-old who lives with his mother in Salt Lake City, and said he had a backpack full of ammunition, the shotgun he was using and a .38-caliber pistol. (Watch police detail the shooter's steps Video)

Officer Ken Hammond told reporters Tuesday how an early Valentine's meal with his wife turned into a hunt for a killer.

"I'm not ready for that. I'm not expecting that. I did have my weapon with me. My first concern was her, getting her away. She's pregnant, and I didn't want her anywhere near that," he said.

At one point, he said, he saw a uniformed Salt Lake City police officer standing on the lower level. "It was kind of tense for a few seconds ... I'm standing there in plain clothes with a gun out," said Hammond.

"We just kind of stared at each other. I'm screaming as loud as I can, 'I'm Officer Hammond, Ogden City Police. I'm off-duty, OPD -- just kept repeating myself.'"

The teen killed five people and wounded four at the Trolley Square mall, including two people shot in the parking lot as he arrived around 7 p.m. Monday, another at the entrance and then five people inside a card store, Burbank said.

"It appears to be very random," he said. "There was no sense to why he was doing what he was doing.

"The suspect in this particular circumstance had one thing on his mind, and that was to kill a large number of people."

Had the off-duty Ogden police officer, who had a gun but no extra equipment or additional ammunition, not gone after the gunman, the teenager likely would have continued shooting people on his way through the mall, Burbank said.

Police know little about the young man so far.

The card store Cabin Fever had been packed with Valentine's Day shoppers Monday night when the shooting started, store owner David Dean said.

Dean said his assistant manager called him, saying "someone's in the store killing people." The place was "all shot up," Dean said. He said three or four of the victims were shot inside. (Watch witnesses recount gunshots, carnage Video)

As investigators began interviewing the 100 to 200 witnesses, people placed candles and flowers at two memorials outside the mall for the victims. Business owners surveyed the damage, and shoppers who had fled returned to pick up cars they had to leave parked overnight.
Shooter seemed "an average Joe"

Marie Smith, 23, a Bath & Body Works manager, said she had seen the gunman through the store window. She watched as he raised his gun and fired at a young woman approaching him from behind.

"His expression stayed totally calm. He didn't seem upset, or like he was on a rampage," said Smith, who crawled to an employee restroom to hide with others. He looked like "an average Joe," she said.

Medieval Murder in USA Highlights American Brutality - Part 2
written by Why do you want to know, February 14, 2007
The victims were identified as Jeffrey Walker, 52, Vanessa Quinn, 29, Kirsten Hinkley, 15, Teresa Ellis, 29, and Brad Frantz, 24. Four people were hospitalized -- a 44-year-old woman and a 53-year-old man in critical condition, and a 34-year-old man and a 16-year-old boy in serious condition.

For hours after the rampage, police searched stores for scared, shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe escort.

Matt Lund was visiting his wife, Barbara, manager of the Secret Garden children's clothing store, when he heard the first shots. The couple and three others hid in a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.

"We heard them say 'Police! Drop your weapon!' Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire," said Lund, 44. "It was hard to believe."

Witnesses said officers treated everyone like suspects -- ordering those hiding in storerooms, bathrooms or under stairwells, to lie on the floor with their hands on their heads until police were sure no one posed a threat.

On the way out, Lund said, he saw a woman's body face-down at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids and a man's body on the floor in the mall's east-west corridor. "There were a lot of blown-out store windows and shotgun shell casings all over the floor," Lund said. "It was quite surreal."

The victims were found throughout the 239,000-square-foot shopping mall.

Outside, streets were blocked as police swarmed the four-block scene. Dozens of people lingered on the sidewalk, many wrapped in blankets, as they talked about what they had seen inside.

Four police officers -- the off-duty officer from Ogden and three Salt Lake City officers -- were involved in the shootout with the gunman, Snyder said. She provided no other details.

The two-story mall, southeast of downtown, is a refurbished trolley barn built in 1908, with a series of winding hallways, brick floors, wrought-iron balconies and about 80 stores, including high-end retailers such as Williams-Sonoma and restaurants such as the Hard Rock Cafe.

It was purchased in August by Scanlan Kemper Bard Cos. of Portland, Oregon, from Simon Property Group for $38.6 million. The company said it planned to invest $80 million, attract a new anchor tenant and possibly add condominiums.

"We are devastated and shocked by this senseless, random act of violence and tragedy at Trolley Square, owner Tom Bard said in a statement posted on the KSL-TV Web site.

"At this time our greatest concern and prayers are with the victims, their families and loved ones."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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written by hahahaha, February 14, 2007
HAHAHAHAH! Trying to compare the favelas of Rio to the US? HAHAHAHAHAH Try again!
Keeping dreaming that eerything is fine cowboy - kkkkkkkkkk
written by Why do you want to know, February 14, 2007
I guess you never hear about the gettos in Los angeles.

ahahhhhhahahahhahaaha

number consumer of drugs in the world = USA

number country with most people in jail because of drugs = USA

You are right, Favelas are not like the gettos in the US.

IS WORSTTTTTTTTTTT
AHAHAHHAHAHA
HaHaHa
written by GTY, February 14, 2007
Is right, violence happens everywhere and incidents like the one in Salt Lake City happen all to frequently, we have mothers microwaving their babies and familes exectued on a Florida Turnpike...almost all crimes in the US are drug related, so we should give him that. But this Blog is called BRAZZIL and specifically covers Brazilian news. Rio is the most dangerous City in the world, if you want to pull the stats and compare Rio to Salt Lake City, or even LA or NY I think you will find a much higher percentage of overall violence in Rio.

New Orleans might be close to Rio right now, but violence is down since the Governer deployed the National Guard. Remarkably, the causes of crime in both countries are very similar, poverty, drugs, lack of opportunity. The result of the violence in Rio and Salt Lake City are similar too, they were both tragic and we should grieve for the families of all victimes in both countries, not laugh at one another.
There's Rio, there are others
written by Ravi Ambros Wallau, February 14, 2007
In Brazil, generally speaking, only 2% of the murders are resolved. 2%.
I am from Brazil, I live in a big city (São Paulo), that is violent, very violent, but not as Rio.
In Rio, there's no more control over nothing. More than 70% of the cars doesn't have all the documents o.k. Some peoples says that 90% of the cops are corrupt. That city is lost. And the problem is old, very old. But there's a culture, in Brazil, of not solving a problem, but only giving factual solutions that resolves five percent of the problem. No one says nothing about our f**king laws that allows a murder to leave the prision at 1/6 of his penality period. The cops that can't solve a crime. The prisions were the prisioners can trade drugs like in a popular market, and were mobile phones are used for everyone.
That's the problem. No one want to solve the REAL problem.
Rio is lost. Brazil is going in the same way. That's why I'm moving to Canada. Adeus, país de merda.
Teen dies from shooting near Vista del Lago High - February 13, 2007
written by Why do you want to know, February 14, 2007
http://signonsandiego.printthi...nDiego.com > News > Temecula/Riverside -- Teen dies from shooting near Vista del Lago High&expire=&urlID=21188048&fb=Y&url=http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/riverside/20070213-1120-boydies.html&partnerID=621

Teen dies from shooting near Vista del Lago High

SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES

11:20 a.m. February 13, 2007

MORENO VALLEY – A teenage boy who was shot in the head during a confrontation near Vista del Lago High School in Moreno Valley died early Tuesday, and the hunt continued for his killer, authorities said.

Allen Anthony White, 15, was shot in the head at 3:22 p.m. Monday near John F. Kennedy Drive and Thyme Place. He was taken to Riverside County Regional Medical Center, where he died shortly after 2:30 a.m.

Riverside County sheriff's detectives said White was shot once with a handgun.

Some of White's classmates from Vista del Lago High School – which is less than a block from where the shooting occurred – told ABC7 they watched as the suspect walked to within feet of the victim and fired.

“We saw a kid, and this other guy ran up on him, and then 'boom,”' Shirelle May told the station. “And then the guy hit the ground.”

Grief counselors were on hand at the school Tuesday.

No description of the shooter was available. Deputies said that the suspect and possibly one other man were seen fleeing in a red sedan.

Deputies swept a wide area around the high school Monday, shutting off traffic to several residential streets during their search. One man was briefly detained, but no arrests were made.

Anyone with information was asked to call the Riverside County Sheriff's central homicide unit at (951) 955-2777 or the Moreno Valley police at (951) 486- 6800.
"Militias"
written by Luca Roma, Italy, February 14, 2007
I think the only way to solve the problem is legalising drugs allowing pharmacies/hospitals to distribute them for free through mdecial consuleling (not via supermarkets of course). This woudl cut the roots of drug business. It is weird that "militias" which ask "money for protection" from favela dwellers" in Rio are called "militias", organised crime does the same in southern Italian cities like Naples and Palermo and we call it just mafia....
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written by istheman, February 14, 2007
Of course, violence happens everywhere. Of course, multiple murders happen everywhere. But the difference between Rio and most cities is that in Rio multiple murders occur almost daily. And the difference is, most will never be solved. In fact, most will never be investigated. Oh, yes, and don't forget many of those multiple murders are committed by police, the people who in most countries would be protecting the public, not terrorizing the public.

It is a peculiar Brazilian tendency to think that one instance of a problem is the same as 100 instances of the problem. Hence: "look, someone murdered a bunch of people in the U.S., so the problem is just as bad there." It is the magnitude of the problem that is so disconcerting in Brazil, which is not comparable to the fact that a few instances of the same problem can be found in other countries.
innocents /Complexo do Alemão /Rio
written by Luca Roma, Italy, February 14, 2007
f**k Brazilian police! Butchers killing at random in favelas....
(...) A Secretaria Estadual de Segurança (Seseg) informou que, entre os mortos, quatro eram traficantes.
A quinta vítima fatal, o auxiliar de serviços gerais de supermercado, Carlos Alberto da Silva Fernandes, de 47 anos, foi alvo de bala perdida e não tinha envolvimento com o tráfico de drogas.
Uma sexta vítima não tinha sido identificada pela polícia até as 21h40.
Um outro morador, Maximiler Menezes de Bezerra, 17, foi atingido por uma bala de raspão na cabeça e levado para o Hospital Salgado Filho, no Méier, Zona Norte. O estado de saúde dele era grave e a Polícia informou que ele não seria traficante.
Help from the US? haha
written by jj, February 14, 2007
Gonzales, could you at least TRY to make your folks stop BUYING drugs? You know, all this dirty money flowing freely from you country is making things a more difficult for us...........
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written by bo, February 14, 2007
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written by istheman, 2007-02-14 06:29:59

Of course, violence happens everywhere. Of course, multiple murders happen everywhere. But the difference between Rio and most cities is that in Rio multiple murders occur almost daily. And the difference is, most will never be solved. In fact, most will never be investigated. Oh, yes, and don't forget many of those multiple murders are committed by police, the people who in most countries would be protecting the public, not terrorizing the public.

It is a peculiar Brazilian tendency to think that one instance of a problem is the same as 100 instances of the problem. Hence: "look, someone murdered a bunch of people in the U.S., so the problem is just as bad there." It is the magnitude of the problem that is so disconcerting in Brazil, which is not comparable to the fact that a few instances of the same problem can be found in other countries.



You can say that again! But you have to love those like "E harmony" that post a little "factoid" here and there, "oh, look, yesterday there were 8 people murdered in Utah so ya see, its just like brazil!!". Ok, will it happen again later tonight, and again tomorrow, and so on, etc.

But I am very appreciative of the one poster who posted links to a forum showing posts by this so-called "e harmony", she has some serious psychological issues, something that we all knew, but those links truly pointed them out distinctly. She may want to show those in her "sessions" to help get to the root of the problem.
The father turned him in
written by Bryan, February 14, 2007
What an admirable and hard thing to do. I admire that. It was the right thing. Murder does happen all over the world and it is tragic. But certainly as I travel extensively around the world, I can say that the level of violence and the sense of danger is higher in Rio than anywhere else I have been. It is such a part of life for the people. People I know are just used to it and live differently in preparation for and expectation of it. That is truly tragic, that they have to live like that. And if they could see how different it is by living somewhere else, they would understand why people find the stories of daily violence from Rio so disturbing. But it's not about superiority -- Brazil v. US or anything like that. Such violence, when it happens, is tragic and shocking and disgusting anywhere. Just because the US does not have this level of violence daily does not make it better. It just makes it more shocking for Americans to read about these stories from Rio.
DO THE RIGHT THING
written by forrest allen brown, February 14, 2007
MOST THE POOR IN BRAZIL ARE GOOD PEOPLE

in the amzon when sr peter blake was killed the mother of the boys that did the crime did the same

when the house next door in fortalaza was found to have $450.000 that was stolen from the bank it was also turned in

examples to the ruel

now with TV it is self gratfaction first , at no matter what expence to other poeple
Man killed in Canton shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 15, 2007
http://www.clarionledger.com/a...S/70214045

Man killed in Canton shooting
By Nicklaus Lovelady
nicklaus.lovelady@jackson.gannett.com

A man riding a bike was killed in an early morning drive-by shooting in Canton today.

Fredrick Moore, 31, was shot around 12:16 a.m. while riding his bike less than a half mile from his apartment complex, Canton Police Chief Robert Winn said.

Moore, who has shot in the lower abdomen, jumped from his bike and ran to nearby home, where he collapsed in the yard, Winn said.

Moore was later taken to Madison County Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.

Winn said police are looking for a red mid-sized vehicle seen leaving the scene.
— MORE DETAILS AS THEY DEVELOP AND TOMORROW IN PRINT AND ONLINE EDITIONS
Police are investigating a drive-by shooting in south Bakersfield Tuesday night.
written by Why do you want to know, February 15, 2007
http://www.kget.com/news/local...ed2&rss=91

BAKERSFIELD - Police are investigating a drive-by shooting in south Bakersfield Tuesday night.

Authorities said Deondre McGruder, 27, was standing outside a home in the 4300 block of Snapdragon Lane around 10 p.m. when he was shot and killed. That is near White Lane and South H Street.

Police said neighbors called after hearing a series of gunshots.

McGruder was rushed to the hospital where he later died.

The people who lived at the home where McGruder was found said they do not know him.

It’s unclear if this shooting is gang-related or whether it’s tied to several other shootings over the weekend.

16-year-old target of drive-by shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 15, 2007
http://www.daytondailynews.com...7&cxcat=16


16-year-old target of drive-by shooting

By Lawrence Budd

Staff Writer

Wednesday, February 14, 2007

XENIA — A 16-year-old boy is recovering at Miami Valley Hospital Wednesday after a drive-by shooting about 12:25 p.m. Tuesday on East Main Street, Xenia police said.

Detectives planned to interview witnesses again today about the shooting, which left the unidentified victim, who had been walking down the street with friends, with a gunshot wound in the chest.

Police are looking for a maroon Pontiac Bonneville with front-end damage and two-toned windows, reflective on top, darker on the bottom.

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2261 or lbudd@DaytonDailyNews.com.

but...but...but......
written by ch.c., February 15, 2007
- the army is ALREADY in Rio ! Proof of either total incompetence or unwillingness to act ! Or both.
- where was the police ? No one in sight during all those kilometers ????? Of course not...they were drug dealing in favelas probably !
- and of course, Brazilian laws being what it is....shameful too....will eventually send in jail the guiltys of these horrible crime....for 3 to 5 years....AT MOST ! One of the accomplices has already been released !
- these eventual jail terms are exactly the same that a young woman aged 19, got recently, for having stolen.....A TUBE OF BUTTER !!!!!! Yyesssss...she4 years jail term !!!!!!!

Brazilians... continue to .be proud of being Brazilians these days....and continue be proud of your judges and laws....just as you are proud of your corrupted politicians who have voted and created these INCREDIBLE laws !!!!!!

But....please....please....dont try to export your notions and understandings of social and legal justice/injustice as Lula tries doing so hard !!!!!!!

Brazil is the shame of this planet. A Real Tragedy for Humanity. A country with notions that NO ONE should follow, NO ONE should import !!!!!!

Stay in your Tropical Mud !
And to the idiot : Why do you want to know !!!!!!
written by ch.c., February 15, 2007
Please refer if you can or able to analyze the following stats :
On crime rates, assuming UK is given a number of one, the USA would get 4, and Brazil 28 !!!!!
Meaning that there are 4 times more crimes per 100'000 population in USA than in UK.
But Brazil has 28 more times the crime rate of UK and 6,5 times the crime rate of USA.

No one ever told you that crime rate is ZERO in any country, not even Vatican, where you had 2 crimes in 20 or 25 years.

It remains that Vatican is quite safer to walk and reside than in Brazil. Dont you agree ?????
It also remain based on the above stats, wether you like it or not, that the USA you are pointing your fingers to, IS 6,5 times safer than Brazil....still based per 100'000 POPULATION !!!!!!!

Probably the above basic but official comparison stats are too much for you to understand. Afterall you represent the average Brazilian citizen : you understand nothing and mix up everything due to your basic only education !!!!!!!

Enjoy....your idiocy !!!!!!

How To Live In Peace
written by Rem, February 15, 2007
In the wake of the latest heinous murder to rock Rio and with a rapidly-worsening conflict between militias and drug gangs on his hands, state governor Sergio Cabral was expected to ask Alberto Gonzalez of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency for help in combating the city's cocaine-fueled violence, during a meeting this week in Brazilian capital Brasília.


I thought a lot of Brazilians hated the U.S. and the above statement says that "Brazilians need our help?" The solution to the ever-growing violence in Rio is this:

1. Death penalty. End of story. Try them and put them against the wall.
2. Militarize the civil police. No more "guardas" but a military force. Put the money into it to turn soldiers into mercenaries.
3. Relocate the "favelados" Screen them one by one, keep the good ones, kill the rest.
4. Death penalty for dealing drugs. Jail for small timers, first offenders, death to the rest
5. Segreate the "morros" so they can't come into other normal neighborhoods. Yes, build a wall or something similar. The hell with bandidos.

There is no other solutions. The bad genes will continue to grow, overpopulate and the probelms will go on and on for decades to come. When you're number is up, you will just become another victim and the bad guys win again. If the bad guys aren't eradicated, the problem will always persist and for years, everyone will only be horrified and talk about solutions that NEVER materialize. Rio had these very SAME problems 20 years ago. Just as violent, just as bad. Protection for the innocent, anihilation for evil doers. How else is Rio and Brazil going to get rid of the bad guys? Jail is not enough. Whatever they'e been doing hasn't been enough.

to the one who wrote : take the law into their own hands !
written by ch.c., February 15, 2007
Actual Government and Police are not taking the law into their hands while they are paid to do it !
Actual Vigilantes are just doing the same illegal practices as gangs do !!!!!!

End results : killings of innocent citizens will prevail by one gang or another !!!! Drug dealings practices will continue. Thus nothing will change, except the beneficiaries.....! One gang replaced by another gang as criminal as the previous gang...doesnt create....LESS VIOLENCE AND LESS KILLINGS !
Sadly enough....the end results are even more violence and more crimes !!!!!!!

Yess Brazil is already decrepitated and will remain so for decades to come !!!!!
Illegality and crimes have near impunity in your muddy country !
No government, state or federal, really care for you the citizens. They care only for their own well being by attributing to themselves legally....high salaries, high perks and high pensions for when they retire. This being not enough, they use illegal corrruption practices with total impunity to double or triple their already high legal incomes !
REM
written by Luca, Roma, Italy, February 15, 2007
how can you be so dumb stupid??!!! 99% of people living in the favelas are not drug dealers, the problem is ignorant people like you who can only come up with demagogic solution provide politicians with excuse for easy fixes that won't do anything, Until you have the highest GINI index in the world (income inequality rate) you'll get that crazy crime rate. Opulence next to misery breeds crime.
Luca
written by GTY, February 15, 2007
I think you might have pulled that number out of your ass...I think that there are more than 1% dealing drugs in the favelas...
GTY
written by Luca, Roma, Italy, February 15, 2007
The "Região Metropolitana do Rio de Janeiro" has more than 12.000.000 inhabitants and about 20% of the population live in favelas...2,4 million people...do you really think Rio has more than 24.000 drug dealers? I'm just asking, as for my ass I don't use it to utter my thoughts and put them here unlike you...
On the verge of....
written by Luca, Roma, Italy, February 15, 2007
Rich white cariocas remind me of those people partying on the Titanic...
How are you counting?
written by GTY, February 15, 2007
Are you counting just the kids selling drugs, or the entire families that work in the trade packaging, processing and providing security. Yeah, I think when you look at the over all picture there are many more reliant on drugs for an income.
Biloxi motorist accused of shooting other driver
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BILOXI, Miss. (AP) - A Biloxi man is accused of shooting a fellow motorist Wednesday morning because he did not like the way the other motorist was driving, police said.

David Hayes, 23, was arrested on a drive-by shooting charge several hours after the early morning incident on Pass Road near Popp's Ferry Road. Police credited the arrest to eyewitness details of Hayes' vehicle.

The victim, Senior Airman Thomas Lynch of Keesler Air Force Base, was wounded. He was treated at Keesler Medical Center and released. Lynch is assigned to the 85th Engineering Installation squadron, a public affairs spokesperson said.

According to police, Lynch said he was eastbound on Pass Road on his way to work when a motorist behind him slammed on their brakes. Lynch then heard a gunshot. A bullet had come through the back window of his vehicle, grazed his neck and went through the windshield. No one else was injured.

Police said the driver of the other vehicle - a dark-green Honda - fled north on Popp's Ferry road. Witnesses reported characteristics of the car including its faded paint job, a dent and a missing wheel cover and sideview mirror.

A few hours later, police found the Honda in the parking lot of Edgewater Mall.

Hayes was in the mall and taken into custody.

Investigators also recovered a firearm, said Capt. Darrin Peterson of the Biloxi Police Department.

Hayes was taken to Harrison County jail in Gulfport. Justice Court Judge Albert Fountain set bond at $150,000 pending an initial court appearance.

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2 Hurt In Federal Way Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 16, 2007
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2 Hurt In Federal Way Shooting

POSTED: 7:33 am PST February 15, 2007
UPDATED: 8:48 am PST February 15, 2007

FEDERAL WAY, Wash. -- Two men were wounded in a shooting early Thursday morning in the parking lot of the Federal Way library, police said.

Police responding to reports of shots fired just after midnight found the men, who were each shot more than once.

The men were taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. There was no immediate information on their condition, but police said both were expected to survive.

Police said they hope to talk to the victims to find out what led to the shooting.

"They will be the key to the investigation to fill us in on why they were out in the parking lot in the middle of the night," said Commander Kyle Sumpter of the Federal Way Police Department.

Witnesses said two young men fled in a white, four-door sedan.

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Police search for suspects, vehicle possibly involved in shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 16, 2007
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Police search for suspects, vehicle possibly involved in shooting
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LAKEWOOD - Police are searching for at least two suspects and a vehicle following an early morning shooting Thursday.

Police say the shooting victim was taken to a local hospital after being shot. The condition of the victim is unknown at this time.

The shooting took place on 18th and Fenton at around 2:52 a.m.

Lakewood Police are now searching for a white Jeep Cherokee, a white male and white female suspect. No other details about the vehicle or the suspects were immediately released.

Police will continue their investigation and 9NEWS.com will provide additional updates as they become available.


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go to here some news from the states
written by forrest allen brown, February 16, 2007
Just keep posting shows you are like a few other dozen brasilians here defend the pride of your country
but dont acept your country has a long road od death a head of it .

WE NEVER SAID THE U.S WAS PERFECT WITH TWICE THE AS MANY PEOPLE AS BRASIL AND 50 TIMES MORE GUNS I THINK WE DO VERY WELL .

YOU MUST TEACH THE PEOPLE OF YOUR COUNTRY TO DEFEND LIFE , RESPECT LIFE , AND NOT BELEIVE EVER THING LULA TELLS YOU

have a good one

the 3 RRRs in brasil return fire run reload
Rio
written by george, February 16, 2007
It is my opinion that the Brazilian Govt must solve the violence in Rio alone. The Drug Enforcment Administration (DEA) is very limited in what they can do overseas, especially in Brazil due to the politics. Until the general public holds their government officials accountable for the corruption, Brazil will NEVER make much progress regarding the out of controll violence on the streets. If the Brazilian political process isn't functioning due to corrupt politians, then the public must take control of their government by other means.
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written by bo, February 16, 2007
Rio
written by george, 2007-02-16 09:50:39

It is my opinion that the Brazilian Govt must solve the violence in Rio alone. The Drug Enforcment Administration (DEA) is very limited in what they can do overseas, especially in Brazil due to the politics. Until the general public holds their government officials accountable for the corruption, Brazil will NEVER make much progress regarding the out of controll violence on the streets. If the Brazilian political process isn't functioning due to corrupt politians, then the public must take control of their government by other means.


Well George, you're right, but what you stated is beyond obvious. It is quite ironic that the brazilian gov't. would ask for help for an american gov't. agency as to "what to do"? Because, they'll give them suggestions that are 100% bases on WORKING gov't. agencies that are NOT 75% full of corruption!
Violent Brazil
written by Gerry, February 17, 2007
Why Do You Want To Know or whatever your name is, everyone knows about gun violence in the states yet relatively few around the world are aware of the problem in Brazil so I don't know what your point is. That shooting in Utah a few days ago got 50 times the coverage of the Rio violence in December where I live (the UK).

The stories you're posting are mundane next to Rio anyway.

I agree about some Brazilians being shy about the extent of violent crime in their country, their neighbours the Colombians are very similar I find. While Americans and South Africans - or at least white South Africans, are the complete opposite. Americans are very open about the problems of violence in their country though this does occasionally spill over into boasting by "gun-toting hip gangster wannabes".

Some Afrikaners (ex-pats normally) have a tendency to exaggerate the already appalling levels of murder in South Africa. They go to the most bizarre lengths to stretch the statistics as much as possible, such as adding attempted murders onto murders and calling it the 'murder rate', using a murder rate of 32,000 a year which was from a respected medical organization but which since has been roundly scientifically debunked (even by the original source - though the '32,000' is still widely used by white South Africans interestingly), routinely calling yourself the 'murder capital of the world' even when you're not, and ignoring scientific murder studies in morgues which conclude that the official murder rate is very accurate. These people are insane.

It's very interesting how people respond to high levels of homicidal chaos in different nations.
police ask public's help finding shooting suspect
written by Why do you want to know, February 17, 2007
http://www.thedesertsun.com/ap...E/70216048

ndio police ask public's help finding shooting suspect

Francisco Aparicio Flores
Francisco Aparicio Flores

Michelle Mitchell
The Desert Sun
February 16, 2007
Indio Police are continuing the search for a suspect in the shooting death of a man in Indio Sunday evening and a reward has been offered for information.

Francisco Aparicio Flores, 25, of Salinas is considered armed and dangerous.

Indio police went to Flores' home on the 1300 block of Cachuma Court in Salinas, but Flores had already left by the time officers arrived, Indio Police spokesman Ben Guitron said.

Officers recovered a shotgun during the investigation in Salinas, but are still determining if it was involved in the shooting.

Guitron said the police had no leads on Flores' whereabouts, but he said, in general, suspects stay in an area where they are comfortable. Flores has family and other contacts in Salinas, his hometown, and Mexico, Guitron said.

"He was just visiting down here and he doesn't have permanent ties," Guitron said.

Indio police believe Sunday's shooting on the 44-500 block of Arabia Street was not gang related, but was the result of an argument, Guitron said.

The Riverside County Coroner has still not released the victim's identification.

Anyone with can call Coachella Valley Crimestoppers, (760) 341-STOP, or Indio police, (760) 391-4057.

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Man Arrested For Shooting At Sanitation Workers
written by Why do you want to know, February 17, 2007
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Man Arrested For Shooting At Sanitation Workers

Friday, Feb 16, 2007 - 05:30 PM


Action News 36 has learned the name of the man who police say shot at a group of city sanitation workers while they were on their rest break.
Roderick Hill is charged with two counts of wanton endangerment, tampering with physical evidence, receiving stolen property and criminal mischief.
Police say the workers were having lunch today off Trent Blvd. when someone began shooting at them.
Three bullets struck the passenger side of one of the trucks while someone was in it.
Luckily no one was hit.
Police say Hill took off but police quickly arrested him.
Police say they are not sure if the shooting was planned or a case of mistaken identity.
James Island Shooting: One Dead
written by Why do you want to know, February 17, 2007
http://www.wcbd.com/midatlanti...-0028.html




Friday, Feb 16, 2007 - 05:39 PM


Charleston County Sheriff's Deputies are looking for a couple of people of interest after a fatal shooting on James Island. The shooting happened around 11am. Williams Road on James Island turned into a crime scene-- a shooting left one man dead --and community members like 84-year-old Jack White asking for answers. He says at first he thought there was a fire. White says, "When I seen all the cars out here I went and looked out the window. I was looking for smoke." White has been living in the area for nearly 60 years he says for the most part things are quite. News 2 asked "You probably were surprised when you heard there was a shooting?" White says, "I was damned surprised. It's really so bad to hear this because I 'aint never heard nothing like this." The coroner has not released the name of the victim ---but police say someone shot him multiple times inside a home. Another man inside called police when he heard the gunshots. Right now---there is no motive or suspects. Family friend Erma Smith says, "We are going to pray for one another and we are going to get through this." Smith lives in the community and knew the victim. She says, "From what I know he was a nice man. I never heard anything bad about him." A grieving family and an upset community now come together hoping this cased is solved. Sheriff's Deputies say are looking for at least two people for questioning. If you have any information that can help police with this case-- call Crime Stoppers-- at 554-11-11 remember, your calls are confidential. Count on 2 to keep you posted.
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Man Being Questioned In Connection With Harrison Township Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 17, 2007
http://www.whiotv.com/news/11037799/detail.html


Man Being Questioned In Connection With Harrison Township Shooting

Deputies in Harrison Township said they are questioning a man in connection with a double shooting that happened Friday afternoon.

The shooting happened in a home in the Northland Village Apartment complex on Embassy Place.

Two people were shot, and deputies said one of them is fighting to stay alive.

Deputies said they took a man in for questioning in connection with the case a short time later at the same apartment complex.

At this time he has not been charged with the shootings.

Marcia.Ehlers@WHIOTV.com
Overnight Shooting Leaves Off-Duty Officer Hurt
written by Why do you want to know, February 17, 2007
http://www.wpxi.com/print/11031811/detail.html


Overnight Shooting Leaves Off-Duty Officer Hurt
One Person In Custody

POSTED: 8:37 am EST February 16, 2007
UPDATED: 8:55 am EST February 16, 2007

PITTSBURGH -- An off-duty officer was wounded during an overnight shooting.

It happened just after 2 a.m. Friday in an alley near Bronx Avenue in West View.

Police have one man in custody.

The West View police chief said the gunman wrestled the officer, got his gun and then shot the officer twice in the side.

The unidentified officer was taken to Allegheny General Hospital and was listed in critical condition.

Police have not released the gunman’s name.
...
written by bo, February 17, 2007
They go to the most bizarre lengths to stretch the statistics as much as possible, such as adding attempted murders onto murders and calling it the 'murder rate', using a murder rate of 32,000 a year which was from a respected medical organization but which since has been roundly scientifically debunked (even by the original source - though the '32,000' is still widely used by white South Africans interestingly), routinely calling yourself the 'murder capital of the world' even when you're not, and ignoring scientific murder studies in morgues which conclude that the official murder rate is very accurate. These people are insane.



Bud, if you're talking about the overall number of murders, South Africa doesn't touch brazil, even with their "attempted" murders. BRAZIL HAD 55,200 PEOPLE MURDERED IN 2005!

The U.S. had 14,000.

Brazil - population = 185,000,000 =55,200 murders

U.S. - population = 300,000,000 = 14,000 murders






You do the math!
POST MORE KILLINGS IN BRASIL YOU WOULD NEED A TERA BITE UNIT TO DOWN LOAD THEM
written by forrest allen brown, February 17, 2007
YOUR POST SHOWS FREDOM OF THE PRESS AT WORK

WHERE IS BRASIL NEWS VERY SELDOM MAKES TO PRINT , AND NOT TO MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO REED

IF NOT FOR TV NO ONE WOULD KNOW
...
written by Gerry, February 17, 2007
Indeed bo. I would argue outside of Baghdad that certain cities in Brazil (Rio and Recife), or at least the worst-hit favelas, are the current murder capitals of the world along with Caracas and San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

Someone mentioned New Orleans being similar to Rio, but you have to remember that Rio's homicides are distributed across a virtual f**king continent in comparison (around 25 times the size) that also includes vast areas of wealth as well as the ghetto.

That's right forrest but tbh I hardly see Rio on TV either. Whenever there's a story of Latin American violence such as Rio's street gang wars or police violence, they often only show full, detailed reports when everyone's gone to bed (apart from me obviously) - even if it's been a story for much of the day. I've noticed this numerous times.

It's no wonder the far less violent gangsterism of L.A. for example with it's bloods and crips etc. is household knowledge while C.V. isn't. Very strange way of reporting.
Paradise Lost
written by David B, February 17, 2007
When people lose all hope, you have just created the most dangerous animal on this planet.
You have too many "withouts" and so many "withs" that don't care.
You are getting what you have sowed.
????
written by Ex pat, February 18, 2007

You are getting what you have sowed.


You're saying six-year old João Hélio Fernandes got what he sowed??? SOD off you vile and soulless piece of crap.
look!!
written by karlitos, February 18, 2007
So what is the point of boasting about criminal statistics in the US compared with Brazil?? The truth is that something has to be done to curtail the murder rate in Rio. I get the impression that whilst the US does posses many homicidle maniacs in its very large population, There is simply no comparison to the volume of people in Rio that 'KILL FOR A LIVING'. The gangs in Rio seem to be on the up and up, forever gathering pace, as the government just sits down and allows these atrocities to take place. People have mentioned the large social divide in Brazil, and yes this does add fuel to the fire. I live in the UK and in London we have a problem with social divide, north of the river we have one of the worlds financial capitals, and some of the most expensive real estate on the planet. Just travel the width of the thames to south London, and welcome to Europes crime capital. This problem is greatly magnified in Brazil. I have served as a soldier on the streets of Iraq, and i am truly aware of how dangerous the place is, its a fact that is well documented on news channels around the world. But what is appalling is that there are days when more people are killed in Rio in 1 day than than in the entire country of Iraq in the same time period. It sadens me to think that Brazil and its people are just learning to live with these awful crimes, and going through life and accepting the murders that happen all around them. With Rio in the state its in people must stand together as one and fight the problem head on, i have just turned on Record TV to see hundreds of thousends of people partying in a carnival in Bahia, is this the right reaction of a nation that suffers the higest murder rate on the planet. I like Brazil, and one day would love to take my son to Rio to experiance all that is positive in the cidade marvalhosa, but in this current climate it would make me a very irresponsible father to openly put my son in danger by visiting Rio. Please lets not lose Rio, the city is in chaos, and no one cares!!
...
written by bo, February 18, 2007
look!!
written by karlitos, 2007-02-18 15:59:56

So what is the point of boasting about criminal statistics in the US compared with Brazil?? The truth is that something has to be done to curtail the murder rate in Rio. I get the impression that whilst the US does posses many homicidle maniacs in its very large population, There is simply no comparison to the volume of people in Rio that 'KILL FOR A LIVING'. The gangs in Rio seem to be on the up and up, forever gathering pace, as the government just sits down and allows these atrocities to take place. People have mentioned the large social divide in Brazil, and yes this does add fuel to the fire. I live in the UK and in London we have a problem with social divide, north of the river we have one of the worlds financial capitals, and some of the most expensive real estate on the planet. Just travel the width of the thames to south London, and welcome to Europes crime capital. This problem is greatly magnified in Brazil. I have served as a soldier on the streets of Iraq, and i am truly aware of how dangerous the place is, its a fact that is well documented on news channels around the world. But what is appalling is that there are days when more people are killed in Rio in 1 day than than in the entire country of Iraq in the same time period. It sadens me to think that Brazil and its people are just learning to live with these awful crimes, and going through life and accepting the murders that happen all around them. With Rio in the state its in people must stand together as one and fight the problem head on, i have just turned on Record TV to see hundreds of thousends of people partying in a carnival in Bahia, is this the right reaction of a nation that suffers the higest murder rate on the planet. I like Brazil, and one day would love to take my son to Rio to experiance all that is positive in the cidade marvalhosa, but in this current climate it would make me a very irresponsible father to openly put my son in danger by visiting Rio. Please lets not lose Rio, the city is in chaos, and no one cares!!



Unfortunately Karlitos, you're "spot-on". And are 100% justified in thinking the way you do.

Something drastic needs to be done in Rio, but it's a very complicated situation. Not just one head can roll, it would have to be many, and many powerful heads.
3 Teens Shot During After-Hours Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.kcci.com/news/11048566/detail.html



DES MOINES, Iowa -- Two teenagers are in serious condition another teen is in critical condition following a shooting. The shooting happened at 1321 Ninth St. just north of downtown Des Moines.

Police said they believe the shootings may be gang-related during an after-hours party and that has neighbors worried.

"We just heard two gunshots," said Tana Martin, who lives next to where the shooting happened.

Martin said she jumped out of bed when she heard the gunshots.

new graph "(I) didn't turn on any lights. I just peaked out the window, and they're right there, two of them," she said.

Just before 5 a.m. Sunday someone from inside that duplex called 911.

"When the officers arrived, none of the shooting victims were there. They determined that all three had been transported to Mercy hospital for treatment," said police spokesman Sgt. Todd Dykstra.

Kevin Billingsly, 18; Rico Mure, 18; and Myshone Lee, 15, were shot. Billingsly was in critical condition Sunday and the other two were in serious condition.

Police said they don't have any suspects.

"The investigators are also looking into the possibility this was gang-related," Dykstra said.

Carolyn Jenison, president of the neighborhood association, said she doesn't doubt it was.

"With gang-related issues and it's not even summer. We need that gang task force back into play," Jenison said.

"I'm scared. It really hit close to home," Martin said.

Des Moines police used to have a special gang task force. It was called SCAT and stood for Special Compliment Against Thugs.

Dykstra said he hasn't heard any talk of bringing it back.

Anyone who has information on the shootings is asked to call Des Moines police at 283-4869.

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Shooting Shuts Down Section Of I-4
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
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Shooting Shuts Down Section Of I-4

Shooting Shuts Down Section Of I-4
Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:25:42 PM
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I-4 westbound is shut down between I-95 and State Road 44 due to a fatal shooting in the road.

Traffic is being diverted onto Highway 92, before being allowed to get back onto I-4.

The shooting happened near mile marker 118, near DeLand, and was reported to the Volusia County Sheriff's Office at about 9:20 tonight. The victim, a 36-year-old man, was pronounced dead at Florida Hospital DeLand.

The sheriff's office is looking at the shooting as a road rage incident and have detained four people near Sanford off of I-4.


15-year-old boy dies in Liberty City shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16730018.htm





15-year-old boy dies in Liberty City shooting


15-year-old boy dies in Liberty City shooting

A 15-year-old boy was shot and killed while standing near a Liberty City street corner, police said Sunday.

The teenager was shot dead on Northwest 18th Avenue just north of 62nd Street at 11:56 p.m. Saturday, according to Miami-Dade police.

Investigators released few details about the shooting, and they did not identify the victim. Residents who sat along 18th Avenue in lawn chairs or stood outside a market there Sunday afternoon had little to say about the incident.

The shooting happened a block west of the Umoja Village shantytown, where homeless people have built plywood shelters on Miami-Dade County-owned land. They named it for the Swahili word for ``unity.''

On Feb. 11, Miami police announced that the body of a 14-year-old boy was found wrapped in trash bags inside a garbage bin in Little Haiti.

Rod K. Williams, an eighth-grader at Brownsville Middle School, had been missing since Feb. 2. Police found his body in a trash bin at 270 NW 73rd St. on Feb. 10 and identified it the next day.

Police arrested four teens on Saturday and charged them in connection with Williams' death. Investigators say the teens were friends with Williams and helped dispose of his body after a shooting at a home in the 7700 block of Northwest Fourth Avenue.
Second Man Dies After Early Morning Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/5923936.html

Second Man Dies After Early Morning Shooting


February 18, 2007)—A Waco man who police say emerged from a hiding place early Sunday morning and shot his estranged wife’s companion to death before turning his gun on himself died Sunday afternoon in a local hospital.

It happened just before 4 a.m. Sunday outside a residence at 4006 N. 21st St.

Police say Shere McPhalen, 25, and Candy Arias, 34, had just pulled up to the residence where McPhalen lives when her estranged husband confronted the two.

Michael McPhalen, 34, screamed something at the couple and then pulled out a pistol and started shooting, police said.

Arias was struck in the left side as he attempted to escape.

He managed to stagger a short distance before collapsing in the yard of a neighboring home.

He later died at Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center.

Michael McPhalen shot himself in the head, police said.

He was also taken to Hillcrest where he died Sunday afternoon, police said
1-year-old killed, man wounded in Lansing shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.d.../702180696


1-year-old killed, man wounded in Lansing shooting
Midday update

By Susan Vela
Lansing State Journal

A 1-year-old boy died today after being shot in the 5100 block of Wise Road, Lansing Police Lt. Bruce Ferguson said.

A 36-year-man, possibly the child's father, also received a bullet wound outside his southside home and is in the hospital. Ferguson did not have the unnamed adult's condition.

Police arrived at the scene at about 2:30 a.m., responding to a call that a shooting had occurred.
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"It's not a drive-by as far as I know," Ferguson said. "We're not exactly sure who we're looking for yet. We're still working on it obviously."

Read more in Monday's Lansing State Journal.
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written by bo, February 19, 2007
Desde 1º de
Fevereiro de 2007
163
mortos

80
feridos


Now that's ONLY in Metro Rio de Janeiro. Unlike e harmony above, making idiotic posts from the entire country of the United States! And posts where the shootings weren't even fatal. Those don't even make the news in Brazil!

163 dead in the first 18 days of february in Rio de Janeiro, not the state, metro Rio, the capitol of the state. I'd like to see "why do you want to know" start making posts about a particular city, any other city in the WORLD, that is NOT at WAR, and see if he can match Rio!!!

What ya gonna do? Make posts about Compton??? Rio surpasses their YEARLY murder figure in TWO WEEKS!!! But ohhh, I'm not making a fair comparison now am I??

But compton is a city and so is Rio!!!

Please, post the murders from a specific CITY and compare it to Rio.
Now This is ONLY in Rio Since February 1st!
written by bo, February 19, 2007
Dois homens morrem em intenso tiroteio com a polícia na Vila Aliança. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

Dois homens morreram em troca de tiros com a polícia na Favela do Barbante, em Campo Grande. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

Na Cidade de Deus, corpo de casal é encontrado em carro. Os corpos tinham marcas de tiros.(2 dead)

O corpo de Fidélis Dias Mineiro, 46 anos, foi encontrado com marcas de facadas no Jardim Catarina, em São Gonçalo. (PORTAL TERRA) (1 dead)

Em Guaratiba, homem ainda não identificado morre a tiros. (O DIA ONLINE) ( 1 dead)

Vereador de Magé Djair Corrêa assassinado com sete tiros em um bar na praia de Piedade. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead - local politician)

Suspeito de envolvimento com tráfico é morto por policiais militares, no Morro do Juramento. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Quatro homens baleados em operação da PM na favela da Vila Cruzeiro durante a tarde. (O DIA ONLINE) (4 dead)

Júlio César da Silva Quirino, 22 anos, morto com mais de 10 tiros na Posse, Nova Iguaçú. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Casal, não identificado, assassinado em São Conrado. (PORTAL TERRA) ( 2 dead )

Um homem não identificado foi morto a tiros por policiais no Morro do Juramento, em Vicente de Carvalho. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Dionatan Soares, de 23 anos, assassinado na Praça Jardim São Jerônimo. na Vila Jardim, em Campo Grande (1 dead)

Luiz Fernando dos Santos, 27 anos, morto a tiros em São Gonçalo, na favela do Pica Pau. (1 dead)

A dona de casa Dionice dos Santos Pires, de 43 anos, foi morta na noite de ontem com um tiro na cabeça, em Resende (1 dead)

O cabo Jorsan Machado de Oliveira, 30 anos, e Antônio Paulo da Costa, 25, foram baleados e mortos na madrugada deste sábado. (Portal G1)(2 dead)

Um Meriva, placa HCV-3811, foi encontrado com três cadáveres no seu interior na manhã deste sábado, em Bonsucesso (O DIA) (3 dead)

A sócia de casa lotérica Marisa Carla Lima, 40 anos, morreu na noite desta sexta-feira no Hospital Souza Aguiar, no Centro, onde foi internada apór receber um tiro no rosto durante tentativa de assalto. (O DIA) (1 dead)

O corpo de um homem foi achado, neste sábado, na Rua Ceará, na Vila Mimosa. Marcio Faria de Castro, de 33 anos, morto a tiros, foi encontrado por policiais do 6º BPM (Tijuca). (GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

Três homens foram mortos durante confronto entre bandidos e policiais do 22º BPM (Maré) na Favela Vila dos Pinheiros no Complexo da Maré, na noite desta sexta-feira.(O DIA) (3 dead)

Maurício Gamilserheg Felippe, 21 anos, encontrado com a garganta cortada, na madrugada deste sábado, no Recreio dos Bandeirantes. (O Dia) (1 dead)

Cadáver carbonizado, encontrado em Belford Roxo. (Jornal Hora H) (1 dead)

Alexandre de Oliveira Gusmam, de 22 anos, foi assassinado a tiros no meio da tarde de ontem, quando andava de bicicleta. A vítima passava pela Rua dos Comerciários, na localidade de Vila Neli, Rancho Novo, em Nova Iguaçu, quando foi alvejada na cabeça. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

Durante invasão à Vila Joaniza, o soldado da PM Carlos Henrique Ferreira morreu e o soldado identificado como Augusto ficou ferido. Um morador também foi retirado de casa por um homem de farda camuflada e executado na Rua 82, na localidade conhecida como Lagoinha. O assassino, conhecido como PCC, foi morto pouco depois. Um outro PM também foi baleado e está internado no Hospital Geral da Polícia Militar. (O DIA ONLINE) (3 dead)

Um morador de rua foi morto a pauladas na madrugada deste domingo sob o viaduto da Perimetral. O crime ocorreu na rua Alfredo Agache, próximo ao Centro Cultural da Marinha. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Um suposto bandido ainda não identificado morreu durante confronto com policiais do 9º BPM (Rocha Miranda). (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

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04/02/2007 O sargento Alex Sarmento Mendes, baleado no olho direito esta manhã no confronto na Cidade Alta, morreu nesta tarde. (GLOBO ONLINE)
(1 dead)

02/02/2007 Luis Fernando de Miranda Magalhães, 27 anos, foi morto a tiros por volta das 22h. O crime aconteceu em frente a sua residência na Rua Agripino Francisco Martins, bairro Imbetiba, em Macaé. (Macaenews.com.br) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 O menino Iago Silva, de 6 anos, morreu na noite deste domingo baleado em frente à porta de sua casa na Rua Jaci, localidade conhecida como Caracol, Vila Cruzeiro. (Globo Online) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 Até o presente momento, 4 mortos e 6 feridos na Vila Juaniza. (ÚLTIMO SEGUNDO) (1 dead 5 wounded)

04/02/2007 Já são 6 mortos no confronto em Cordovil. O corpo do motoboy Fábio Fernandes Rocha, 29 anos, foi queimado e deixado no porta-malas de um Peugeot, próximo à estação de trem de Cordovil. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 O soldado da PM, Moisés da Silva Coelho, de 24 anos, foi sequestrado em Cordovil e encontrado morto na Avenida Brasil, Jorge Antonio Araújo, 37 anos, seu amigo, que também estava no carro, conseguiu pular do carro, ficando com várias escoriações. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 Corpo de rapaz assassinado a tiros foi encontrado na Rua do Canal, em Engenhoca - Niterói (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Um corpo foi encontrado por policiais militares dentro de um carro no Riachuelo. A vítima é um jovem que foi morto a tiros. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 O comerciante Guilherme Conceição da Cruz, de 25 anos, foi assassinado na madrugada desta segunda-feira, com três tiros na cabeça, na Rua Sete, em Piratininga. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Corpo de homem não identificado foi encontrado por PMs na Rua Belisário Pena, na Penha. Vítima tinha várias perfurações de tiros e foi deixada no porta-malas de um Peugeot (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Anderson Lima, de 24 anos, foi assassinado a tiros na noite de domingo em Nova Iguaçu. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Total de 4 mortos durante troca de tiros no Morro do Barbante, na Ilha do Governador, neste último sábado. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

05/02/2007 Um homem não identificado foi encontrado morto a tiros nesta manhã, no quintal de uma residência, em São Gonçalo. Segundo os policiais do 7º BPM (São Gonçalo), o rapaz de aproximadamente 30 anos, estaria fugindo de criminosos quando entrou na casa de dois idosos, na Avenida Presidente Kennedy, bairro Estrela do Norte, e foi assassinado. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

02/02/2007 TERESÓPOLIS - Empresária Claudia Aguiar é morta por envenenamento.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 CABO FRIO - Wagner Almeida de Castro morto com oito tiros no Bairro Manoel Correia.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Marina Gomes morta com quatro tiros na cabeça no bairro São Geraldo.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Milton Francisco assassinado em Conselheiro Paulino.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Marcos da Silva Bernardo, de 26 anos, foi morto a tiros na noite de domingo, em Nova Iguaçu. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Mário Henrique Rocha Pinto, 18, assassinado nesta madrugada na Rua Riachuelo, no Tinguá, Nova Iguaçu. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Leonardo Lopes da Silva Campos, 28 anos, foi assassinado nesta madrugada na Rua Ramirez Galvão, no Parque Lafaiete, Caxias. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Luiz Cláudio Soares, 18 anos, foi morto a tiros, sábado, no município de Conceição de Macabu. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Sábado pela manhã, um corpo foi encontrado na Rodovia Amaral Peixoto, no Trevo de Carapebus, próximo a Cabiúnas. O homem, que aparenta ter aproximadamente 20 anos, foi alvejado por tiros. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

02/02/2007 Luis Fernando de Miranda Magalhães, mais conhecido como "Profeta", de 27 anos, foi morto a tiros na noite de sexta-feira (02/02). Sua esposa, que também foi atingida no pé, e filha presenciaram o assassinato. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Alfredo Correa, que aparentava ter mais de 65 anos de idade, foi assassinado com um tiro no rosto depois de reagir a um assalto, em São Gonçalo. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)
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05/02/2007 Na Praia da Luz, em São Gonçalo, José Carlos Pacheco Rosa, de 18 anos, foi encontrado na madrugada desta Segunda, morto com marcas de tiros na cabeça e no pescoço. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Dois homens, ainda não identificados, foram mortos a tiros, na Rua Nilo Peçanha, no bairro do Mutondo, em São Gonçalo. (O FLUMINENSE) (2 dead)

06/02/2007 Três mortos em confronto com policiais em Itaboraí. Eles eram acusados de andar com motos roubadas e armados na Rua Cem. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead)

07/02/2007 Policias da 90ª DP registraram o homicídio do desempregado Iata Anderson de Oliveira Rodrigues, de 21 anos. Ele foi morto por volta das 18 horas do último sábado, com vários tiros disparados à “queima roupa” na Rua Piteiras, no bairro Piteiras. (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Um homem ainda, não identificado, foi assassinado a tiros, no fim da noite desta terça-feira, quando bebia cerveja em uma vila de casas, que fica no número 3 da Rua Cristovão Sardinha, no bairro Jardim Bom Retiro, em São Gonçalo. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Uma pessoa acaba de ser morta a facadas no bairro Vila Rica em VR. Segundo testemunhas se trata de um homem chamado Héber (DIÁRIO ONLINE) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Adolescente de 16 anos morreu baleado no bairro Jardim Califórnia .(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Foi identificado na manhã de ontem como de Alan da Costa Barcelos, 24 anos, o corpo encontrado na margem direita do rio Paraíba do Sul, próximo ao cais da Lapa, na tarde de segunda-feira. De acordo com o exame de necropsia do Instituto Médico Legal (IML), a vítima foi morta espancada, esfaqueada e teve uma pedra colocada dentro de sua barriga antes de ser arremessada no rio. (Folha da Manhã de Campos dos Goytacazes) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Corpo enrolado em saco plástico, amarrado com arame e com marcas de tiros foi encontrado na Pavuna. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Uma criança de seis anos morreu durante assalto ao carro em que se encontrava na noite desta quarta-feira (7). Ainda preso ao cinto de segurança, o menino foi arrastado pela Rua Caiari, subúrbio do Rio de Janeiro, não resistindo aos ferimentos. (PORTAL G1) (1 dead -little João, just another statistic)

08/02/2007 Rio - Um motoqueiro foi morto a tiros na madrugada desta quinta-feira, na Av. Beira Rio, bairro Zenith, em Nova Iguaçu. Identificado como João Batista Alves, de 23 anos. Na mesma cidade, na Rua Camorim, esquina com Estrada de Iguaçu, foi morto Jorge Marcos Campos Nunes, de 41 anos. Os dois casos, registrados na Delegacia de Belford Roxo, apontam suspeitas com envolvimento de drogas. (GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

08/02/2007 Rio - O segurança do condomínio Coqueiral, na Estrada do Morgado, em frente ao Haras Pégaso, em Vargem Grande, Zona Oeste, foi assassinado por quatro homens que chegaram ao local em um carro. O crime aconteceu por volta das 21h desta quarta-feira. O caso será investigado pela 16ª DP (Barra da Tijuca). (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 O corpo de uma mulher foi encontrado dentro de um saco plástico deixado em frente ao número 115 da Rua General Castrioto, no bairro do Barreto, em Niterói, na Região Metropolitana O corpo, segundo policiais do 12º BPM (Niterói), já estava em decomposição e não foi identificado. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Maria da Penha Martins Santana, de 69 anos, morreu nesta manhã após ser atingida por bala perdida na Rua Sucupira, no Centro de São João de Meriti. (O GLOBO ON LINE) (1 dead)
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08/02/2007 Homens mataram com três tiros na cabeça uma mulher identificada apenas como Viviane, de aproximadamente 30 anos. O crime aconteceu na manhã desta quinta-feira, quando ela saía de casa na Rua 85, em Itaipu, Região Oceânica de Niterói. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 O mecânico Alberto Domingos, de 35 anos, foi morto a tiros na porta de casa, na madrugada de ontem, na Rua Ari de Azevedo, no Jardim Catarina, São Gonçalo. (JORNAL O SÃO GONÇALO) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Diego Santos Silva 21 anos foi assassinado com dois tiros por volta das 22:00 de ontem 7 na Praça do Parque Prazeres por dois ciclistas. (O DIARIO - Campos dos Goytacazes - RJ) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Robson Barbosa Bezerra, 41 anos, foi morto com 10 tiros, na noite de quinta-feira, no bairro Abolição, subúrbio do Rio. (PORTAL G1) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 4 homens, entre 20 e 25 anos, ainda não identificados, morreram durante confronto contra a polícia, na madrugada desta sexta-feira, em Duque de Caxias. (PORTAL G1) (4 dead)

09/02/2007 Um jovem, provavelmente menor de idade, morre em confronto contra a polícia na Cidade de Deus, nesta madrugada. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 Marcus Vinícius Soares, ex-PM, 35 anos, foi assassinado a tiros, na madrugada desta sexta-feira, em Santa Cruz. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 A polícia encontrou o corpo decomposto da costureira Iraci Alves Santos de Assis, 46, dentro do buraco com imagem de Nossa Senhora Aparecida, em Heliópolis, Belford Roxo. Principal suspeito é o companheiro da vítima, que negou o crime. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Roosevelt Dias Santos (67 anos) mata seu genro, Carlos Henrique da Cruz (31 anos), após vê-lo agredir sua filha. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Troca de tiros em Santa Teresa, na manhã de hoje, deixa 1 morto. O homem, aparentando 25 anos, foi baleado e levado ao hospital, mas não resistiu. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Tiago Oliveira dos Santos, 19, Anderson Irenil dos Santos e Carlos Alberto Fernando Santana Filho, 22 anos. São os nomes dos 3 mortos durante troca de tiros com a polícia, na favela do Muquiço, em Guadalupe. 2 jovens ficaram feridos, Max Maia Lemos, 18, e Luciano Fidalgo Ventura, 23 anos. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead, 2 wounded)

09/02/2007 O pedreiro Adelson Rangel Machado foi assassinado a tiros, por dois homens que fugiram sem ser identificados, ontem à tarde, quando estava trabalhando em uma casa em construção, na localidade de Três Vendas. (FOLHA DA MANHÃ - CAMPO DOS GOYTACAZES) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 O corpo de um homem, ainda não identificado, foi encontrado neste sábado na Rua Ângelo Bittencourt, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 Paulo Roberto de Oliveira, de 50 anos, dirigia seu carro quando foi abordado por homens armados, no bairro da Pavuna, Zona Norte. Policiais da Delegacia de Roubos e Furtos passavam pelo local e iniciaram uma troca de tiros. Paulo foi alvejado na perna e morreu, nesta sexta-feira à noite. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Em Campos, homem foi preso ao jogar uma faca em um grupo de crianças. Um menino de 3 anos foi ferido na nuca. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 wounded, a 3 year old, from a man that threw a knife at a group of children)

10/02/2007 Troca de tiros na Linha Amarela deixa 1 morto, ainda não identificado. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

11/02/2007 Policiais do 16º BPM (Olaria) trocaram tiros com homens em um Corolla prata no início da manhã deste domingo na Avenida Brasil, pista sentido Zona Oeste, na altura da Casa do Marinheiro. Segundo a PM, na perseguição o carro entrou para o mercado São Sebastião, quando foi encurralado pela polícia. A primeira informação é que os cinco ocupantes do Corolla foram baleados e socorridos para o Hospital Getúlio Vargas, onde não resistiram aos ferimentos. Outras três pessoas morreram no interior da Favela Kelsons, na Penha, e um PM também morreu na Av. Brasil. (O DIA ONLINE) (9 dead)

11/02/2007 O corpo de um homem, ainda não identificado, foi encontrado na manhã deste domingo, com vários tiros na mala de um carro na Rua Piracaba em frente ao número 94, em Irajá, Zona Norte. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)
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11/02/2007 Uma tentativa de roubo de carro na saída da Linha Amarela, em Todos Santos, na Zona Norte, terminou ontem com a morte de um policial federal lotado na Delegacia do Aeroporto Internacional Tom Jobim. O escrivão Ronei Candido Rezende, 32 anos, foi executado com nove tiros e teve parte do corpo queimado. (JB ON LINE) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 A madrugada de domingo foi violenta em Campos e na região, marcada por um homicídio em São Francisco de Itabapoana e uma dupla tentativa de homicídio na Estância da Penha, em Campos. No primeiro crime, o jovem Flávio dos Santos Chaves, 19 anos, foi assassinado com facada no peito, por volta das 3h de ontem, em frente a uma igreja católica. E no segundo, um casal foi baleado dentro de um bar. (O Diário Campos dos Goytacazes ONLINE) (1 dead - 2 wounded)

12/02/2007 Dois homens foram baleados numa troca de tiros nesta madrugada com policiais do Grupamento de Ações Táticas (GAT) do batalhão de Rocha Miranda, no Morro do Chapadão, na Pavuna. Socorridos, foram levados para o hospital Carlos Chagas, mas não resistiram aos ferimentos. (O GLOBO ON LINE) (2 dead)

11/02/2007 Ronaldo Silva Gonçalves, de 25 anos, foi morto com cinco tiros de pistola calibre 9mm na cabeça, na madrugada de ontem, na Rua Thiago Cardoso, no Coelho, em São Gonçalo. (O São Gonçalo) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 Um casal foi encontrado morto na manhã desta segunda-feira, em casa, na Rua Santa Luzia, em Comendador Soares, Nova Iguaçu, na Baixada Fluminense. O homem teria sido identificado como sendo o PM reformado de prenome Mauriti e a mulher dele Ana Maria Maia, de 54 anos. (O DIA ONLINE) (2 dead)

12/02/2007 Um morto e um ferido na noite desta Segunda-Feira, na esquina das ruas Barão de Mesquita e Souza Cruz, no Andaraí. A informação é a de que homens em um carro passaram atirando. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead 1 wounded)

12/02/2007 Partes de um corpo esquartejado foram encontradas na Zona Portuária. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

11/02/2007 Uma mulher foi morta por volta das 15h na Rua Lafayete Pimenta, em Morro Agudo, debaixo do viaduto da Cacuia, saída 183 da Presidente Dutra. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Foi identificado como Maurício Férvolo dos Santos Vasconcelos, o policial militar lotado no 14º BPM (Bangu), que foi morto com seis tiros, na manhã desta terça-feira, na Avenida Brasil, pista sentido Centro, altura de Costa Barros, na Zona Oeste. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 Francismar dos Santos Gomes, 21 anos, baleado na boca e em um dos braços, invadiu o terreno de uma residência, no bairro Donana, em Campos, na Região Norte Fluminense, tentando fugir, na noite desta Segunda-Feira. A dona da casa, Dalca Quintino das Chagas, 79 anos, se assustou e morreu de infarte. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead, 1 wounded)

13/02/2007 Pelo menos 3 pessoas morreram na operação conjunta do BOPE e do CORE, na manhã desta Terça-Feira, no Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead)

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13/02/2007 O auxiliar de supermercado Carlos Alberto da Silva Fernandes, de 47 anos, foi morto com uma bala perdida que atingiu sua cabeça, durante ocupação da polícia no Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Ao menos seis pessoas morreram e uma ficou ferida nesta terça-feira durante uma operação das polícias Civil e Militar do Rio de Janeiro no Complexo do Alemão, zona norte da cidade, que pela primeira vez contou com a participação de homens da Força Nacional de Segurança. (REUTERS) (2 dead)

13/02/2007 Homem é morto em troca de tiros, na noite desta Terça-Feira, no Morro da Providência. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Alessandro Conceição da Rocha, 28 anos, morreu em confronto com policiais, na noite desta Terça-Feira, em Realengo, na Favela Minha Deusa. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Leonardo da Silva Santos, 25 anos, Renato Paulo Pelônio, 31 anos, Adriano Francisco da Silva, 21 anos e outros 2 homens, foram feridos com a explosão de uma granada, na noite desta Terça-Feira, no Morro dos Macacos, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (5 wounded - grenade)

14/02/2007 Pedro Souza de Abreu, 29 anos, foi morto a tiros na madrugada de ontem, em Novo Cavaleiros, Macaé, por um homem ainda não identificado pela polícia que estava numa moto e usando um capacete preto. Um homem, identificado como Fagner, que estava junto da vítima teve apenas ferimentos leves. (O Debate) (1 dead 1 wounded)

14/02/2007 Guaraci Paes Falcão e Simone Moujarkian foram mortos em frente a um Motel, na rua Maxwel, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

14/02/2007 Três jovens, possivelmente menores, foram encontrados mortos no fim da noite desta terça-feira, na Rua Manoel Joaquim Laranjeiras, bairro Raul Veiga, em Alcântara, São Gonçalo, Região Metropolitana. Um deles com 17 anos. De acordo com policiais do 7º BPM (Alcântara), os outros aparentam ter a mesma idade. (O DIA) (3 dead)

14/02/2007 Wellington de Lima Calheiro, 23 anos, foi morto em confronto com policiais durante o 2º dia de ocupação do Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 Confronto com a polícia, na favela Furquim Mendes, deixa 2 mortos. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

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15/02/2007 Menor de 12 anos de idade que mata a própria avó, Hilza Pereira da Silva, que tinha 66 anos, a facadas. Polciais foram alertados por um motociclista e chegaram a tempo de ver o menor jogando o corpo da avó num buraco. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

Dois homens morrem em intenso tiroteio com a polícia na Vila Aliança. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

Dois homens morreram em troca de tiros com a polícia na Favela do Barbante, em Campo Grande. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

Na Cidade de Deus, corpo de casal é encontrado em carro. Os corpos tinham marcas de tiros.(2 dead)

O corpo de Fidélis Dias Mineiro, 46 anos, foi encontrado com marcas de facadas no Jardim Catarina, em São Gonçalo. (PORTAL TERRA) (1 dead)

Em Guaratiba, homem ainda não identificado morre a tiros. (O DIA ONLINE) ( 1 dead)

Vereador de Magé Djair Corrêa assassinado com sete tiros em um bar na praia de Piedade. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead - local politician)

Suspeito de envolvimento com tráfico é morto por policiais militares, no Morro do Juramento. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Quatro homens baleados em operação da PM na favela da Vila Cruzeiro durante a tarde. (O DIA ONLINE) (4 dead)

Júlio César da Silva Quirino, 22 anos, morto com mais de 10 tiros na Posse, Nova Iguaçú. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Casal, não identificado, assassinado em São Conrado. (PORTAL TERRA) ( 2 dead )

Um homem não identificado foi morto a tiros por policiais no Morro do Juramento, em Vicente de Carvalho. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Dionatan Soares, de 23 anos, assassinado na Praça Jardim São Jerônimo. na Vila Jardim, em Campo Grande (1 dead)

Luiz Fernando dos Santos, 27 anos, morto a tiros em São Gonçalo, na favela do Pica Pau. (1 dead)

A dona de casa Dionice dos Santos Pires, de 43 anos, foi morta na noite de ontem com um tiro na cabeça, em Resende (1 dead)

O cabo Jorsan Machado de Oliveira, 30 anos, e Antônio Paulo da Costa, 25, foram baleados e mortos na madrugada deste sábado. (Portal G1)(2 dead)

Um Meriva, placa HCV-3811, foi encontrado com três cadáveres no seu interior na manhã deste sábado, em Bonsucesso (O DIA) (3 dead)

A sócia de casa lotérica Marisa Carla Lima, 40 anos, morreu na noite desta sexta-feira no Hospital Souza Aguiar, no Centro, onde foi internada apór receber um tiro no rosto durante tentativa de assalto. (O DIA) (1 dead)

O corpo de um homem foi achado, neste sábado, na Rua Ceará, na Vila Mimosa. Marcio Faria de Castro, de 33 anos, morto a tiros, foi encontrado por policiais do 6º BPM (Tijuca). (GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

Três homens foram mortos durante confronto entre bandidos e policiais do 22º BPM (Maré) na Favela Vila dos Pinheiros no Complexo da Maré, na noite desta sexta-feira.(O DIA) (3 dead)

Maurício Gamilserheg Felippe, 21 anos, encontrado com a garganta cortada, na madrugada deste sábado, no Recreio dos Bandeirantes. (O Dia) (1 dead)

Cadáver carbonizado, encontrado em Belford Roxo. (Jornal Hora H) (1 dead)

Alexandre de Oliveira Gusmam, de 22 anos, foi assassinado a tiros no meio da tarde de ontem, quando andava de bicicleta. A vítima passava pela Rua dos Comerciários, na localidade de Vila Neli, Rancho Novo, em Nova Iguaçu, quando foi alvejada na cabeça. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

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Durante invasão à Vila Joaniza, o soldado da PM Carlos Henrique Ferreira morreu e o soldado identificado como Augusto ficou ferido. Um morador também foi retirado de casa por um homem de farda camuflada e executado na Rua 82, na localidade conhecida como Lagoinha. O assassino, conhecido como PCC, foi morto pouco depois. Um outro PM também foi baleado e está internado no Hospital Geral da Polícia Militar. (O DIA ONLINE) (3 dead)

Um morador de rua foi morto a pauladas na madrugada deste domingo sob o viaduto da Perimetral. O crime ocorreu na rua Alfredo Agache, próximo ao Centro Cultural da Marinha. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

Um suposto bandido ainda não identificado morreu durante confronto com policiais do 9º BPM (Rocha Miranda). (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 O sargento Alex Sarmento Mendes, baleado no olho direito esta manhã no confronto na Cidade Alta, morreu nesta tarde. (GLOBO ONLINE)
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02/02/2007 Luis Fernando de Miranda Magalhães, 27 anos, foi morto a tiros por volta das 22h. O crime aconteceu em frente a sua residência na Rua Agripino Francisco Martins, bairro Imbetiba, em Macaé. (Macaenews.com.br) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 O menino Iago Silva, de 6 anos, morreu na noite deste domingo baleado em frente à porta de sua casa na Rua Jaci, localidade conhecida como Caracol, Vila Cruzeiro. (Globo Online) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 Até o presente momento, 4 mortos e 6 feridos na Vila Juaniza. (ÚLTIMO SEGUNDO) (1 dead 5 wounded)

04/02/2007 Já são 6 mortos no confronto em Cordovil. O corpo do motoboy Fábio Fernandes Rocha, 29 anos, foi queimado e deixado no porta-malas de um Peugeot, próximo à estação de trem de Cordovil. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 O soldado da PM, Moisés da Silva Coelho, de 24 anos, foi sequestrado em Cordovil e encontrado morto na Avenida Brasil, Jorge Antonio Araújo, 37 anos, seu amigo, que também estava no carro, conseguiu pular do carro, ficando com várias escoriações. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 Corpo de rapaz assassinado a tiros foi encontrado na Rua do Canal, em Engenhoca - Niterói (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)
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05/02/2007 Um corpo foi encontrado por policiais militares dentro de um carro no Riachuelo. A vítima é um jovem que foi morto a tiros. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 O comerciante Guilherme Conceição da Cruz, de 25 anos, foi assassinado na madrugada desta segunda-feira, com três tiros na cabeça, na Rua Sete, em Piratininga. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Corpo de homem não identificado foi encontrado por PMs na Rua Belisário Pena, na Penha. Vítima tinha várias perfurações de tiros e foi deixada no porta-malas de um Peugeot (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Anderson Lima, de 24 anos, foi assassinado a tiros na noite de domingo em Nova Iguaçu. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Total de 4 mortos durante troca de tiros no Morro do Barbante, na Ilha do Governador, neste último sábado. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

05/02/2007 Um homem não identificado foi encontrado morto a tiros nesta manhã, no quintal de uma residência, em São Gonçalo. Segundo os policiais do 7º BPM (São Gonçalo), o rapaz de aproximadamente 30 anos, estaria fugindo de criminosos quando entrou na casa de dois idosos, na Avenida Presidente Kennedy, bairro Estrela do Norte, e foi assassinado. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

02/02/2007 TERESÓPOLIS - Empresária Claudia Aguiar é morta por envenenamento.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 CABO FRIO - Wagner Almeida de Castro morto com oito tiros no Bairro Manoel Correia.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Marina Gomes morta com quatro tiros na cabeça no bairro São Geraldo.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Milton Francisco assassinado em Conselheiro Paulino.(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Marcos da Silva Bernardo, de 26 anos, foi morto a tiros na noite de domingo, em Nova Iguaçu. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)
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06/02/2007 Mário Henrique Rocha Pinto, 18, assassinado nesta madrugada na Rua Riachuelo, no Tinguá, Nova Iguaçu. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Leonardo Lopes da Silva Campos, 28 anos, foi assassinado nesta madrugada na Rua Ramirez Galvão, no Parque Lafaiete, Caxias. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Luiz Cláudio Soares, 18 anos, foi morto a tiros, sábado, no município de Conceição de Macabu. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

03/02/2007 Sábado pela manhã, um corpo foi encontrado na Rodovia Amaral Peixoto, no Trevo de Carapebus, próximo a Cabiúnas. O homem, que aparenta ter aproximadamente 20 anos, foi alvejado por tiros. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

02/02/2007 Luis Fernando de Miranda Magalhães, mais conhecido como "Profeta", de 27 anos, foi morto a tiros na noite de sexta-feira (02/02). Sua esposa, que também foi atingida no pé, e filha presenciaram o assassinato. (O DEBATE ON) (1 dead)

06/02/2007 Alfredo Correa, que aparentava ter mais de 65 anos de idade, foi assassinado com um tiro no rosto depois de reagir a um assalto, em São Gonçalo. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Na Praia da Luz, em São Gonçalo, José Carlos Pacheco Rosa, de 18 anos, foi encontrado na madrugada desta Segunda, morto com marcas de tiros na cabeça e no pescoço. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

05/02/2007 Dois homens, ainda não identificados, foram mortos a tiros, na Rua Nilo Peçanha, no bairro do Mutondo, em São Gonçalo. (O FLUMINENSE) (2 dead)

06/02/2007 Três mortos em confronto com policiais em Itaboraí. Eles eram acusados de andar com motos roubadas e armados na Rua Cem. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead)

07/02/2007 Policias da 90ª DP registraram o homicídio do desempregado Iata Anderson de Oliveira Rodrigues, de 21 anos. Ele foi morto por volta das 18 horas do último sábado, com vários tiros disparados à “queima roupa” na Rua Piteiras, no bairro Piteiras. (1 dead)
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06/02/2007 Um homem ainda, não identificado, foi assassinado a tiros, no fim da noite desta terça-feira, quando bebia cerveja em uma vila de casas, que fica no número 3 da Rua Cristovão Sardinha, no bairro Jardim Bom Retiro, em São Gonçalo. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Uma pessoa acaba de ser morta a facadas no bairro Vila Rica em VR. Segundo testemunhas se trata de um homem chamado Héber (DIÁRIO ONLINE) (1 dead)

04/02/2007 FRIBURGO - Adolescente de 16 anos morreu baleado no bairro Jardim Califórnia .(RJ INTER TV) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Foi identificado na manhã de ontem como de Alan da Costa Barcelos, 24 anos, o corpo encontrado na margem direita do rio Paraíba do Sul, próximo ao cais da Lapa, na tarde de segunda-feira. De acordo com o exame de necropsia do Instituto Médico Legal (IML), a vítima foi morta espancada, esfaqueada e teve uma pedra colocada dentro de sua barriga antes de ser arremessada no rio. (Folha da Manhã de Campos dos Goytacazes) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Corpo enrolado em saco plástico, amarrado com arame e com marcas de tiros foi encontrado na Pavuna. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Uma criança de seis anos morreu durante assalto ao carro em que se encontrava na noite desta quarta-feira (7). Ainda preso ao cinto de segurança, o menino foi arrastado pela Rua Caiari, subúrbio do Rio de Janeiro, não resistindo aos ferimentos. (PORTAL G1) (1 dead -little João, just another statistic)

08/02/2007 Rio - Um motoqueiro foi morto a tiros na madrugada desta quinta-feira, na Av. Beira Rio, bairro Zenith, em Nova Iguaçu. Identificado como João Batista Alves, de 23 anos. Na mesma cidade, na Rua Camorim, esquina com Estrada de Iguaçu, foi morto Jorge Marcos Campos Nunes, de 41 anos. Os dois casos, registrados na Delegacia de Belford Roxo, apontam suspeitas com envolvimento de drogas. (GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

08/02/2007 Rio - O segurança do condomínio Coqueiral, na Estrada do Morgado, em frente ao Haras Pégaso, em Vargem Grande, Zona Oeste, foi assassinado por quatro homens que chegaram ao local em um carro. O crime aconteceu por volta das 21h desta quarta-feira. O caso será investigado pela 16ª DP (Barra da Tijuca). (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 O corpo de uma mulher foi encontrado dentro de um saco plástico deixado em frente ao número 115 da Rua General Castrioto, no bairro do Barreto, em Niterói, na Região Metropolitana O corpo, segundo policiais do 12º BPM (Niterói), já estava em decomposição e não foi identificado. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Maria da Penha Martins Santana, de 69 anos, morreu nesta manhã após ser atingida por bala perdida na Rua Sucupira, no Centro de São João de Meriti. (O GLOBO ON LINE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Homens mataram com três tiros na cabeça uma mulher identificada apenas como Viviane, de aproximadamente 30 anos. O crime aconteceu na manhã desta quinta-feira, quando ela saía de casa na Rua 85, em Itaipu, Região Oceânica de Niterói. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)
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08/02/2007 O mecânico Alberto Domingos, de 35 anos, foi morto a tiros na porta de casa, na madrugada de ontem, na Rua Ari de Azevedo, no Jardim Catarina, São Gonçalo. (JORNAL O SÃO GONÇALO) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Diego Santos Silva 21 anos foi assassinado com dois tiros por volta das 22:00 de ontem 7 na Praça do Parque Prazeres por dois ciclistas. (O DIARIO - Campos dos Goytacazes - RJ) (1 dead)

07/02/2007 Robson Barbosa Bezerra, 41 anos, foi morto com 10 tiros, na noite de quinta-feira, no bairro Abolição, subúrbio do Rio. (PORTAL G1) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 4 homens, entre 20 e 25 anos, ainda não identificados, morreram durante confronto contra a polícia, na madrugada desta sexta-feira, em Duque de Caxias. (PORTAL G1) (4 dead)

09/02/2007 Um jovem, provavelmente menor de idade, morre em confronto contra a polícia na Cidade de Deus, nesta madrugada. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 Marcus Vinícius Soares, ex-PM, 35 anos, foi assassinado a tiros, na madrugada desta sexta-feira, em Santa Cruz. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 A polícia encontrou o corpo decomposto da costureira Iraci Alves Santos de Assis, 46, dentro do buraco com imagem de Nossa Senhora Aparecida, em Heliópolis, Belford Roxo. Principal suspeito é o companheiro da vítima, que negou o crime. (O FLUMINENSE) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Roosevelt Dias Santos (67 anos) mata seu genro, Carlos Henrique da Cruz (31 anos), após vê-lo agredir sua filha. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Troca de tiros em Santa Teresa, na manhã de hoje, deixa 1 morto. O homem, aparentando 25 anos, foi baleado e levado ao hospital, mas não resistiu. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Tiago Oliveira dos Santos, 19, Anderson Irenil dos Santos e Carlos Alberto Fernando Santana Filho, 22 anos. São os nomes dos 3 mortos durante troca de tiros com a polícia, na favela do Muquiço, em Guadalupe. 2 jovens ficaram feridos, Max Maia Lemos, 18, e Luciano Fidalgo Ventura, 23 anos. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead, 2 wounded)

09/02/2007 O pedreiro Adelson Rangel Machado foi assassinado a tiros, por dois homens que fugiram sem ser identificados, ontem à tarde, quando estava trabalhando em uma casa em construção, na localidade de Três Vendas. (FOLHA DA MANHÃ - CAMPO DOS GOYTACAZES) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 O corpo de um homem, ainda não identificado, foi encontrado neste sábado na Rua Ângelo Bittencourt, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

09/02/2007 Paulo Roberto de Oliveira, de 50 anos, dirigia seu carro quando foi abordado por homens armados, no bairro da Pavuna, Zona Norte. Policiais da Delegacia de Roubos e Furtos passavam pelo local e iniciaram uma troca de tiros. Paulo foi alvejado na perna e morreu, nesta sexta-feira à noite. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

10/02/2007 Em Campos, homem foi preso ao jogar uma faca em um grupo de crianças. Um menino de 3 anos foi ferido na nuca. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 wounded, a 3 year old, from a man that threw a knife at a group of children)
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10/02/2007 Troca de tiros na Linha Amarela deixa 1 morto, ainda não identificado. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

11/02/2007 Policiais do 16º BPM (Olaria) trocaram tiros com homens em um Corolla prata no início da manhã deste domingo na Avenida Brasil, pista sentido Zona Oeste, na altura da Casa do Marinheiro. Segundo a PM, na perseguição o carro entrou para o mercado São Sebastião, quando foi encurralado pela polícia. A primeira informação é que os cinco ocupantes do Corolla foram baleados e socorridos para o Hospital Getúlio Vargas, onde não resistiram aos ferimentos. Outras três pessoas morreram no interior da Favela Kelsons, na Penha, e um PM também morreu na Av. Brasil. (O DIA ONLINE) (9 dead)

11/02/2007 O corpo de um homem, ainda não identificado, foi encontrado na manhã deste domingo, com vários tiros na mala de um carro na Rua Piracaba em frente ao número 94, em Irajá, Zona Norte. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

11/02/2007 Uma tentativa de roubo de carro na saída da Linha Amarela, em Todos Santos, na Zona Norte, terminou ontem com a morte de um policial federal lotado na Delegacia do Aeroporto Internacional Tom Jobim. O escrivão Ronei Candido Rezende, 32 anos, foi executado com nove tiros e teve parte do corpo queimado. (JB ON LINE) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 A madrugada de domingo foi violenta em Campos e na região, marcada por um homicídio em São Francisco de Itabapoana e uma dupla tentativa de homicídio na Estância da Penha, em Campos. No primeiro crime, o jovem Flávio dos Santos Chaves, 19 anos, foi assassinado com facada no peito, por volta das 3h de ontem, em frente a uma igreja católica. E no segundo, um casal foi baleado dentro de um bar. (O Diário Campos dos Goytacazes ONLINE) (1 dead - 2 wounded)

12/02/2007 Dois homens foram baleados numa troca de tiros nesta madrugada com policiais do Grupamento de Ações Táticas (GAT) do batalhão de Rocha Miranda, no Morro do Chapadão, na Pavuna. Socorridos, foram levados para o hospital Carlos Chagas, mas não resistiram aos ferimentos. (O GLOBO ON LINE) (2 dead)

11/02/2007 Ronaldo Silva Gonçalves, de 25 anos, foi morto com cinco tiros de pistola calibre 9mm na cabeça, na madrugada de ontem, na Rua Thiago Cardoso, no Coelho, em São Gonçalo. (O São Gonçalo) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 Um casal foi encontrado morto na manhã desta segunda-feira, em casa, na Rua Santa Luzia, em Comendador Soares, Nova Iguaçu, na Baixada Fluminense. O homem teria sido identificado como sendo o PM reformado de prenome Mauriti e a mulher dele Ana Maria Maia, de 54 anos. (O DIA ONLINE) (2 dead)

12/02/2007 Um morto e um ferido na noite desta Segunda-Feira, na esquina das ruas Barão de Mesquita e Souza Cruz, no Andaraí. A informação é a de que homens em um carro passaram atirando. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead 1 wounded)

12/02/2007 Partes de um corpo esquartejado foram encontradas na Zona Portuária. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

11/02/2007 Uma mulher foi morta por volta das 15h na Rua Lafayete Pimenta, em Morro Agudo, debaixo do viaduto da Cacuia, saída 183 da Presidente Dutra. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Foi identificado como Maurício Férvolo dos Santos Vasconcelos, o policial militar lotado no 14º BPM (Bangu), que foi morto com seis tiros, na manhã desta terça-feira, na Avenida Brasil, pista sentido Centro, altura de Costa Barros, na Zona Oeste. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)
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12/02/2007 Francismar dos Santos Gomes, 21 anos, baleado na boca e em um dos braços, invadiu o terreno de uma residência, no bairro Donana, em Campos, na Região Norte Fluminense, tentando fugir, na noite desta Segunda-Feira. A dona da casa, Dalca Quintino das Chagas, 79 anos, se assustou e morreu de infarte. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead, 1 wounded)

13/02/2007 Pelo menos 3 pessoas morreram na operação conjunta do BOPE e do CORE, na manhã desta Terça-Feira, no Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (3 dead)

13/02/2007 O auxiliar de supermercado Carlos Alberto da Silva Fernandes, de 47 anos, foi morto com uma bala perdida que atingiu sua cabeça, durante ocupação da polícia no Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Ao menos seis pessoas morreram e uma ficou ferida nesta terça-feira durante uma operação das polícias Civil e Militar do Rio de Janeiro no Complexo do Alemão, zona norte da cidade, que pela primeira vez contou com a participação de homens da Força Nacional de Segurança. (REUTERS) (2 dead)

13/02/2007 Homem é morto em troca de tiros, na noite desta Terça-Feira, no Morro da Providência. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Alessandro Conceição da Rocha, 28 anos, morreu em confronto com policiais, na noite desta Terça-Feira, em Realengo, na Favela Minha Deusa. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

13/02/2007 Leonardo da Silva Santos, 25 anos, Renato Paulo Pelônio, 31 anos, Adriano Francisco da Silva, 21 anos e outros 2 homens, foram feridos com a explosão de uma granada, na noite desta Terça-Feira, no Morro dos Macacos, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (5 wounded - grenade)

14/02/2007 Pedro Souza de Abreu, 29 anos, foi morto a tiros na madrugada de ontem, em Novo Cavaleiros, Macaé, por um homem ainda não identificado pela polícia que estava numa moto e usando um capacete preto. Um homem, identificado como Fagner, que estava junto da vítima teve apenas ferimentos leves. (O Debate) (1 dead 1 wounded)
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14/02/2007 Guaraci Paes Falcão e Simone Moujarkian foram mortos em frente a um Motel, na rua Maxwel, em Vila Isabel. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

14/02/2007 Três jovens, possivelmente menores, foram encontrados mortos no fim da noite desta terça-feira, na Rua Manoel Joaquim Laranjeiras, bairro Raul Veiga, em Alcântara, São Gonçalo, Região Metropolitana. Um deles com 17 anos. De acordo com policiais do 7º BPM (Alcântara), os outros aparentam ter a mesma idade. (O DIA) (3 dead)

14/02/2007 Wellington de Lima Calheiro, 23 anos, foi morto em confronto com policiais durante o 2º dia de ocupação do Complexo do Alemão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 Confronto com a polícia, na favela Furquim Mendes, deixa 2 mortos. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

15/02/2007 Menor de 12 anos de idade que mata a própria avó, Hilza Pereira da Silva, que tinha 66 anos, a facadas. Polciais foram alertados por um motociclista e chegaram a tempo de ver o menor jogando o corpo da avó num buraco. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 Ricardo Henrique de Souza Pinheiro, o Ricardo do Gás, 29 anos, e outro homem identificado apenas como Roberto, ex-agente ferroviário, foram executados a tiros, no fim da noite desta quarta-feira, na Rua Guarujá, embaixo do Viaduto de Paciência, na Zona Oeste. (O DIA ONLINE) (2 dead)

14/02/2007 Suspeito de assaltar idosa dentro de um ônibus em Nova Iguaçu, homem identificado como Jadson morreu baleado quando tentava fugir da população em fúria. (JORNAL HORA H) (1 dead)

15/02/07 Cabo Frio - Leonardo Mendonça dos Santos, o Leozinho, 18 anos, foi assassinado a tiros na rua Ricardo Sanchez, no Bairro Braga. (Folha dos Lagos) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 Fábio Terra da Silva, o Fabinho Terra, 21 anos, foi assassinado, na madrugada de quarta-feira, uma semana após conseguir a liberdade da Casa de Custódia Dalton de Castro. (O Diário - Campos dos Goytacazes) (1 dead)
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13/02/2007 Fernando de Souza Silva, o Pivete, de 20 anos, foi morto por policiais militares lotados no Grupamento de Policiamento em Áreas Especiais (GPAE) do Morro do Estado, no Centro de Niterói. O fato se deu no trecho situado entre a Rua Quinze de Novembro e Padre Anchieta, perto da Praça do Rink. (Jornal O Fluminense) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 O pai de santo Carlos Alberto de Menezes, 38 anos, assassinou o jovem Leonardo de Oliveira Lima, 19 anos, na tarde desta quarta-feira, no Parque Esperança, em Saracuruna, Duque de Caxias. A vítima teria levado sete tiros somente porque esbarrou na bicicleta do criminoso, que fugiu. Revoltados, moradores do bairro incendiaram a casa do acusado, na Rua Prudente de Moraes, durante a madrugada desta quinta. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

14/02/2007 Operação da polícia, em conjunto com a Força Nacional, deixa um total de 7 mortos no Complexo do Alemão. A última vítima morreu na noite de quarta-feira, logo após a chegada da Força Nacional. (PORTAL G1) (1 dead)

15/02/2007 Um homem morreu depois de se envolver em tiroteiro com policiais do 14° batalhão (Bangu). (O GLOBO ON LINE) (1 dead)

16/2/2007 Rio - Um homem não identificado morreu na noite desta quinta-feira após trocar tiros com policais do 7º BPM (Alcântara) no Morro Menino de Deus, no Centro de São Gonçalo. De acordo com a polícia, o homem participou do confronto, foi baleado e morreu no Pronto Socorro de São Gonçalo. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

16/02/2007 Rio - Luiz da Silva, 54 anos, foi encontrado morto na noite desta quinta-feira em frente ao número 893 da Avenida Brasil, na pista lateral sentido Centro, na altura de São Cristovão. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

16/02/2007 Um patrulhamento realizado por duas viaturas do 11º BPM (Supervisão e Alfa), no início da madrugada de ontem, 15/02/2007, no Morro do Dedé, terminou com a morte de um homem ainda não identificado. (A Voz da Serra - Nova Friburgo/RJ) (1 dead)

16/02/2007 Um cadete da Polícia Militar foi morto à tiros, quando saída de casa, no bairro Pantanal, em Caxias. (RJ TV) (1 dead)

16/02/2007 A PM encontrou dois corpos na manhã desta sexta-feira na Carobinha, em Santíssimo, Zona Oeste da cidade. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (2 dead)

12/02/2007 Darli de Abreu Costa, 66 anos, foi assassinado em sua casa, nesta Segunda-Feira, em Magé. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

12/02/2007 Marco Antonio da Silva, mais conhecido como Marquinhos, de 41 anos, foi morto a tiros quando trabalhava em seu estabelecimento comercial, um pequeno bar no número 540, na rua Guaicurus, no bairro Jardim Meudon. Seu corpo foi encontrado por familiares caido atráz do balcão por volta das 22h25 da última segunda feira. (O DIÁRIO DE TERESÓPOLIS) (1 dead)

08/02/2007 Foi encontrado no matagal ao lado do quilometro 51 da estrada Rio-Bahia, em Água Quente, o corpo do encanador Erivaldo Andrade, 48, com marcas de pancadas na cabeça. Ele não portava nenhum documente e só foi identificado no instituto Médico legal por parentes. (O DIÁRIO DE TERESÓPOLIS) (1 dead)

17/02/2007 Antônio Sérgio Pereira Vasconcelos Júnior, 27 anos, foi baleado em perseguição na Niterói-Manilha, em São Gonçalo. Ele não resistiu as ferimentos e morreu. (O GLOBO ONLINE) (1 dead)

17/02/2007 Um desconhecido invadiu o Hospital Raul Sertã, em Nova Friburgo, assassinou a facadas o paciente Enecir da Silva, 44 anos, e fugiu sem ser notado. Eneceir estava internado ha um mês, vítima de tentativa de homicídio, e se recuperava de ferimentos causados por três ferimentos a balas. (O DIA ONLINE) (1 dead)

18/02/2007 Um homem de 30 anos não identificado foi esfaqueado, após acidente de trânsito, seguido por uma briga entre os envolvidos. Encaminhado ao hospital Albert Schweitzer, ele não resistiu aos ferimentos. (1 dead)
It's Incredible Isn't It??
written by bo, February 19, 2007
Almost unbelievable....isn't it?? How can a country that is not at war have so many people dying violent deaths???


Can you compare it with Los Angeles....NO.

Chicago? NO.

Miami? NO.

New Orleans? NO.

New York City? Hell NO!

Can you compare it with Baghdad??? Yes, you actually can. It would be the closest thing today on planet earth to compare the violence in Rio to. Baghdad, a country where they conduct suicide bombings on a weekly basis. Baghdad, a place where they decapitate people. Rio, a place where they kill others using grenades, Rio, a place where they decapitate and mutilate many victims.

Sad, but all true.

Thanks for the idea e harmony, uh-hum, sorry, "why do you want to know".
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written by bo, February 19, 2007
meant to say, "Baghdad, the capitol of a country where...."
Lack of education, impunity or bad wealth distribution?
written by pwnzer, February 19, 2007
The media here is spreading the idea that this brutality happened due to the lack of education ... but I don't think the same, because years ago a couple of rich boys in Brasilia set one indian on fire. And most of them were set free and received new identities. A high-educated med student in Sao Paulo shoot lots of people years ago also ... how can this be related to education?

But how can you have a death penalty under such a corrupt system?

My biggest concern on this subject is that things got so crazy that most of people living on Rio (for example) are hopeless ... they dont believe that the situation might change and they don't have the resources to leave. The situation is desperate for sure ...
stay away from the ocean
written by forrest allen brown, February 19, 2007
IF you look at most of all the big citys on the water , not counting brazila

you will find the death by murder drops to almost nill , by brasilian standards

could this be the rat topia syndrom , each feeding off one another , and eather killing off there young or eathing them , to have a bigger pice of the pie

for there family .

...
written by bo, February 19, 2007
Lack of education, impunity or bad wealth distribution?
written by pwnzer, 2007-02-19 10:25:29



It's a result of corruption from the plague-like cocaine industry operating out of Rio, as well as the problem of unequal distribution of income. You have millions of POOR people in Rio, with little to no hope of ever getting out of their miserable economic situations. So they turn to drugs looking for a way to make enough money for a decent living. They have no other hope, that's their only alternative.

It's a sad situation, but you truly do reap what you sew, and brazil is reaping it, in Rio.
...
written by bo, February 19, 2007
stay away from the ocean
written by forrest allen brown, 2007-02-19 10:59:59

IF you look at most of all the big citys on the water , not counting brazila

you will find the death by murder drops to almost nill , by brasilian standards

could this be the rat topia syndrom , each feeding off one another , and eather killing off there young or eathing them , to have a bigger pice of the pie

for there family .



Wouldn't say that Forrest, brazil's large cities are all constructed on the water or close to the water.
bo
written by pwnzer, February 19, 2007
I understand your point ...

You have three type of people in favelas ... the traffic, the people who lives from traffic as the only option and the people who lives there besides the traffic.

Nobody wants to work for the traffic or live in a place infested by it ... but for you guys to see how distorted is the reality of these people, they think its safer to work with the traffic instead of working AGAINST IT.

Another point that no one mentioned here is: where does all this drugs come from?

You guys should worry about that because the same source of the drugs in Rio is the one that is delivering drugs to your cities.

Wouldn't help if they, instead of trying to fight the traffic in big cities and spent so much money trying to prevent the drugs from coming in, tried to close the borders with these countries and raised commercial barriers for those who don't fight the drug production on their own country?

Because people in Brazil are being screwed up and it seems that other LA countries are making profit of it ...
Nice one, Stew. How about that blood that's on YOUR hands?
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 19, 2007
It's amazing how badly misinformed the original article is. I have been following this case quite closely and there is no proof that I've seen that these kids were members of any one of the criminal gangs which control drug trafficking in the favelas. In fact, Amigos dos Amigos, o Comando Vermelho and o Terceiro Comando have put a huge price on their heads and the only question now, for anyone who understands how crime and policing really work in this city, is who is going to kill them first, the cops or the bandits?

So all this happy crappy about this murder being connected to Rio's drug gangs is demagogery, as are the yelps about the need for a death penalty. I'll lay 50 dollars down, right now, in a bet against anyone who'se willing to take it, that at least 2 out of 3 of the people involved in this murder will be dead by Xmas.

Death penalty? As if we didn't arleady have that here in Brazil...

You'd think people would wait to learn a bit more about a case like this before frothing at the mouth. What happened was indeed barbaric and the peretrators will certainly get no tears from me when they die, but it has nothing to do with drug gangs or anything else.

What happened is that some lower middle class and working class kids from a normal working class neighborhood decided to boost a car. When Joel's mom tried to get here kid out of the backseat, they took off, dragging him along. This was probably unintentional, not that that's an excuse. By the time they figured out what the hell had happened, the thieves certainly knew they were dead meat. At that point, as we say in Portuguese, "O que é um peido p´ra quem já é cagado?" Thus the "humor" regarding the "Judas".

It's also worth noting that one of the kid's FATHERS turned him into to the cops as soon as he heard what happened.

So what do we have? A bunch of stupid juvies who f**ked up big time and who are now under the death sentance from every authority in the city, not the least the "unofficial" authorities running the drug gangs that the original author nanners on about. Their families have forsaken them and they are almost certainly dead meat.

This isn't an example of "the breakdown in morals in Rio", folks: it's the EPITOMY of morals in Rio. We are an "eye-for-an-eye" kind of society and that problem lies at the root of most of our difficulties with violence.

Joel's murders are already deadmen walking and they certainly understand that. What's less understandable, to me, is how anyone, even a gringo, could be so naive as to what this crime is and represents. Stuart Morton is the kind of man who'll shed copious tears for little Joel, but I wonder if he'll have any left to spare for the victims of the s**train that's about to fall upon all of Rio's favela and poor working class communities because of the calls for blood that articles like his are sure to inspire?

Or perhaps Stew thinks that the bullets that CORE, BOPE and all our other bands of happy headsmen routinely spray into our picturesque shantytowns are specially trained to only hit adults and criminals?
Bagdad? Get real... What the hell do you MEAN Rio isn't comparable to New Orleans?
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 19, 2007
I don't know what's sadder: the fact that certain gringos are writing about a country (Brazil) which they don't seem to know anything about, or the fact that these same people don't seem to have the slightest clue about what's going on in their own country. Only a completely uninformed fool or a political demagogue would claim that the murder rates for Rio and Bagdhad are even slightly comparable.

The State of Rio de Janeiro averages 18 murders a day with a population of some 14 million people.

Bagdad has over 50 murders a day with a (current) population of less than 4 million.

Do the math.

Rio (STATE) averages 45 deaths per 100,000 people, per year.

Bagdad average 456 deaths per 100,000 ppy.

Chicago = 21 murders per 100,000 ppy
Philadelphia = 23 murders per 100,000 ppy
Detroit = 40 murders per 100,000 ppy
Baltimore = 41 murders per 100,000 ppy
Washington D.C. = 44 murders per 100,000 ppy
New Orleans = 57 murders per 100,000 ppy

Rio de Janeiro is, in fact, LESS violent than New Orleans.

(These stats come from www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html and are direct from the FBI and Census Bureau. And before anyone whines about Katrina, these numbers are from 2003. The stat re: Rio's murders comes from the Secretario de Segurança Publica do Estado do Rio de Janeiro and is widely confirmed by NGOs like ISER, Viva Rio and the University of Sao Paulo's Nucleus for Violence Studies. Bagdad's stats come from Patrick c**kburn's new book "Occupation" - he got them from the occupation authroities and the Bagdad police, such as it is).

...
written by João Grilo, February 19, 2007
This year for Carnival, I'm going as little Joelzinho, complete with tire marks and a t-shirt reading "Rio de Janeiro is a drag".

I suggest you Pollyanas stay up in Europe and the U.S. and rent Bambi for your carnvaval entertainment.
11-year-old shot in drive-by in critical condition-
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...64084.html


11-year-old shot in drive-by in critical condition

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An 11-year-old was in crtitical condition today at Memorial Hermann Hospital after he was shot in the leg during a drive-by shooting at his grandmother's house early Sunday.

Paul Tucker was asleep at Sandra Rice's house in the 2400 block of Reid when the shot was fired through a front window. Houston Police Department spokesman Gabe Ortiz said the incident occurred at 3:15 a.m.

The child first was taken LBJ Hospital, then transferred to Memorial Hermann.

Ortiz said no arrests have been made in the case.

Those with information concerning the crime should contact the department's homicide division at 713-308-3600.
Police Search For Gunman Responsible In Fatal Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wpbf/2...xRqWLXx0QC





Police Search For Gunman Responsible In Fatal Shooting

1 hour, 23 minutes ago

Police said they are still looking for a gunman in a fatal shooting in Riviera Beach.

Willie Noble, 17, was visiting friends Saturday night on West 34th Street when, police said, a man shot him.

Police said the gunman got out of an older model white four-door car, which was possibly a ford LTD or a Thunderbird.

Anyone with information is urged to call the Rivera Beach Police Department at 561-845-4123 with any information.
How national gang moved in on city’s drug trafficking- Part 1
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
How national gang moved in on city’s drug trafficking
They came armed, organized and with their own language
By ADAM BEAM and JOHN MONK
abeam@thestate.com, jmonk@thestate.com
On Dec. 20, a bullet went through the wall of Derrick Thompson’s Gable Oaks apartment. Federal officials have tied the shooting at the complex, during which an estimated 50 rounds were fired, to drug-related gang activity. ‘Now I know what it is to be traumatized,’ said Thompson.
C. ALUKA BERRY/CABERRY@THESTATE.COM
On Dec. 20, a bullet went through the wall of Derrick Thompson’s Gable Oaks apartment. Federal officials have tied the shooting at the complex, during which an estimated 50 rounds were fired, to drug-related gang activity. ‘Now I know what it is to be traumatized,’ said Thompson.
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* Cracking the code
* Why crack is so addictive
* By the numbers
* 15 named in a January federal criminal complaint

A highly organized gang with national connections has operated for at least six years in the heart of Columbia, using violence and robbery while hawking its destructive product — crack cocaine.

Meet the Gangsta Killer Bloods.

Its members got many of their drugs at a run-down apartment complex off Harden Street known as “The Cut.” But the gang’s tentacles stretched throughout Columbia, according to federal documents and court testimony.

An FBI mole, snitches, bugged cell phones and video equipment hidden on informants have put two of the gang’s main suppliers, two of its leaders and nine members in jail on drug conspiracy charges in the past three weeks.

Search warrant documents indicate the FBI is investigating the case under federal organized-crime laws.

FBI agents, with a federal judge’s permission, raided the homes of eight of those men Jan. 26. Agents forced their way into the homes without knocking because of threats against agents and evidence the men had weapons such as a military-style, .223 assault rifle, which members allegedly nicknamed the “Michael Jordan.”

The FBI found, according to search warrant documents:

• $73,975 in cash, most taken from an apartment in The Cut

• An undisclosed amount of drugs, including crack cocaine and marijuana

• Eight guns

• More than 154 rounds of ammunition

• Newspaper clippings about fellow alleged gang members

• A red folder containing Bloods street gang literature and recruiting information.

Over the past few years, police and the FBI quietly have arrested 68 alleged gang members or gang associates, mostly street-level dealers, according to court documents.

The most recent arrests mark the end of the investigation’s first phase, officials said. More charges and arrests are expected.

The investigation is significant because:

Part-2
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
How national gang moved in on city’s drug trafficking
They came armed, organized and with their own language
By ADAM BEAM and JOHN MONK
abeam@thestate.com, jmonk@thestate.com
On Dec. 20, a bullet went through the wall of Derrick Thompson’s Gable Oaks apartment. Federal officials have tied the shooting at the complex, during which an estimated 50 rounds were fired, to drug-related gang activity. ‘Now I know what it is to be traumatized,’ said Thompson.
C. ALUKA BERRY/CABERRY@THESTATE.COM
On Dec. 20, a bullet went through the wall of Derrick Thompson’s Gable Oaks apartment. Federal officials have tied the shooting at the complex, during which an estimated 50 rounds were fired, to drug-related gang activity. ‘Now I know what it is to be traumatized,’ said Thompson.
More photos

* Cracking the code
* Why crack is so addictive
* By the numbers
* 15 named in a January federal criminal complaint

A highly organized gang with national connections has operated for at least six years in the heart of Columbia, using violence and robbery while hawking its destructive product — crack cocaine.

Meet the Gangsta Killer Bloods.

Its members got many of their drugs at a run-down apartment complex off Harden Street known as “The Cut.” But the gang’s tentacles stretched throughout Columbia, according to federal documents and court testimony.

An FBI mole, snitches, bugged cell phones and video equipment hidden on informants have put two of the gang’s main suppliers, two of its leaders and nine members in jail on drug conspiracy charges in the past three weeks.

Search warrant documents indicate the FBI is investigating the case under federal organized-crime laws.

FBI agents, with a federal judge’s permission, raided the homes of eight of those men Jan. 26. Agents forced their way into the homes without knocking because of threats against agents and evidence the men had weapons such as a military-style, .223 assault rifle, which members allegedly nicknamed the “Michael Jordan.”

The FBI found, according to search warrant documents:

• $73,975 in cash, most taken from an apartment in The Cut

• An undisclosed amount of drugs, including crack cocaine and marijuana

• Eight guns

• More than 154 rounds of ammunition

• Newspaper clippings about fellow alleged gang members

• A red folder containing Bloods street gang literature and recruiting information.

Over the past few years, police and the FBI quietly have arrested 68 alleged gang members or gang associates, mostly street-level dealers, according to court documents.

The most recent arrests mark the end of the investigation’s first phase, officials said. More charges and arrests are expected.

The investigation is significant because:

• Its scope, techniques and targets are unprecedented for Columbia. Federal judges in South Carolina approve between six and eight wiretaps each year; the FBI used one in this case.

• It shows the connections between drugs, violence and a gang with national ties operating in the city. The Gangsta Killer Bloods is a subset of the United Blood Nation, the East Coast cousin of the infamous Los Angeles street gang, the Bloods. Law enforcement officials say the gang came to Columbia in 2000 armed, highly organized and with its own language used to thwart law enforcement.

• The alleged gang has been a major source of Columbia’s cocaine and crack cocaine, federal agents say.

• Sixty-eight people have been charged in connection with the case so far. Thirty-seven have pleaded guilty. Two were the first to go to trial last week; they were convicted Thursday.

• There are 200 Gangsta Killer Bloods in Columbia, an FBI agent quoting an alleged gang member said in court last week.

• The FBI paid one informant at least $48,000 over two years for spying on alleged drug dealers.

• And, after a secret briefing last month by U.S. Attorney Reggie Lloyd, Columbia Mayor Bob Coble made gangs and their eradication a focus of his annual State of the City address.

Vigil held for young man killed in recent rash of gang violence
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.kget.com/news/local...5b1&rss=91


BAKERSFIELD - Dozens of people concerned about the recent rash of gang violence gathered in southeast Bakersfield Thursday night to remember a young man gunned down last week.

“I know that this don’t have to continue,” said one concerned resident. “We keep asking them to lay their weapons down.”

Police said James Beal, 19, was shot and killed outside the Cali Market on East California Avenue one week ago.

The three other people shot along with Beal sustained minor injuries.

Police said the shooting is gang-related, but have made no arrests in the case.

L.A. housing project stuck in a cycle of violence and distrust- Part 1
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
L.A. housing project stuck in a cycle of violence and distrust
Residents feel caught between the local gang and the police officers that battle it.
By Paul Pringle, Times Staff Writer
February 16, 2007

Mourning in Ramona Gardens
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School was out, and the municipal gym jumped with the wholesome noise of girls and boys slapping basketballs onto the hardwood. Then came the clatter of a helicopter overhead.

"LAPD — you see?" said Jose Saucedo, in a voice too weary for his 18 years. He stood at the gym door, eyeing the police chopper as if it were a storm cloud.

"What's the reason for the helicopter? Why?"

The simple answer is that the gym sits in Ramona Gardens, an Eastside housing project that has seen countless confrontations between the police and its home-grown street gang, Big Hazard. The cycles of seething standoffs and bursts of violence stretch back generations and have defeated every effort to bring lasting security to the neighborhood.

Caught in the middle are Saucedo and his fellow ballplayers, along with about 2,000 other folks determined to lead normal lives in the sprawl of barracks-like, World War II-era masonry buildings.

Some say they feel under siege more from the police than the gang, because of what they contend are heavy-handed tactics, a characterization that the Los Angeles Police Department disputes.

"Growing up here is as close as you're going to get to living in a police state," said Jose Navarro, 29, a USC doctoral student from Ramona Gardens.

Earlier this month, the routines of residents were disrupted again after a reputed Big Hazard member died in LAPD custody. The death of Mauricio Cornejo, 31, who was arrested in the project, ignited yet another round of police-brutality accusations and countercharges of gang intimidation.

Two people said they saw officers beat or kick Cornejo in the head. The LAPD denies it and cites a preliminary coroner's examination that found no signs of serious head injuries. The police also say they are often targeted by Big Hazard. The gang has at least 260 members, including those in prison or living outside Ramona Gardens, and has connections to the Mexican Mafia, according to the LAPD.

Twice since January 2006, the police say, gunmen have fired at patrol cars in Ramona Gardens, with bullets narrowly missing officers.

"Every time we walk away from our car, it's going to be vandalized," said LAPD Capt. William Fierro. "I just don't know how to get the roots of that gang out of there."

None of this surprises housing experts. They say that Ramona Gardens, squeezed by railroad tracks and the San Bernardino Freeway, has become a field laboratory for housing policies gone wrong and that any solution would require razing the buildings and starting from scratch. The city's oldest project, Ramona Gardens opened in 1941.

"It has outlived its useful life," said Rudy Montiel, executive director of the Los Angeles Housing Authority, which runs the project. Rents for the 497 residences are based on income and can be as little as $50 a month.

Montiel said Ramona Gardens typifies a failed model, because it piles poor families on top of each other and is separated from the surrounding community — hothouse conditions for predatory crime. He said the old Aliso Village project nearby was in similar distress until it was replaced with a combination of low- and middle-income housing. That could ultimately be Ramona Gardens' fate, he said, although there is no specific plan for such an undertaking.

"This is an area that has been neglected for years," said City Councilman Jose Huizar, whose district includes Ramona Gardens. He pledged to begin meeting regularly with residents.



A litany of ills

The project has witnessed shootings, a thriving drug trade, shakedown schemes that victimized delivery and bus drivers, apartment squatting by gang members and street skirmishes that rained rocks and bottles on police, according to the LAPD.

Last week, as tensions mounted over Cornejo's death, the threat of more mayhem charged the air. About 100 riot-equipped officers rolled into Ramona Gardens to disperse a group of 40 to 50 Big Hazard members — some of whom were drinking beer and smoking marijuana — and residents holding a curbside carwash to pay for Cornejo's funeral.

Because the gang members melted away without incident, LAPD officials declared the operation a success. But it left mixed emotions among residents. As police prepared to pull back, Fabian Puente, 21, who was born in Ramona Gardens, walked onto Lancaster Avenue to applaud them. "These officers are just doing their jobs," he said. "We are living in our houses like prisoners."

Many other residents declined to answer a reporter's questions or even give their names, seeming to show that they were afraid of the gang, the police or both.
Part 2
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
The most vocal complained that the police stopped them for nothing and issued jaywalking tickets to teenagers heading home from school. Several accusations were directed at an officer assigned to monitor Big Hazard.

Miguel Jurado, 18, who grew up in Ramona Gardens, said the officer recently ticketed him for riding his bicycle without lights.

"He told me I looked like a gang member," said Jurado, a carpentry student who added that he doesn't belong to a gang and has never been arrested.

Fierro said the police do not detain residents without probable cause, and he defended the lead gang officer. He also dismissed a common belief in the project that rookie officers are deployed in Ramona Gardens as part of their training.

But Fierro acknowledged that there might be truth to an assertion that officers do not have enough contact with residents to quickly judge who is and isn't a troublemaker. "That bothers me, and I want to see if we can change that image that we have," he said.

Fierro and other police officials said they had been making strides in that direction — last year, an LAPD team played residents in a basketball game — until Cornejo's death.

On Feb. 3, LAPD spokesmen say, officers tried to apprehend Cornejo, but he led them on a foot chase and tossed away a .45-caliber pistol.

They say Cornejo, a wanted parolee, then fought with officers and was struck with a baton on an arm and leg. After he was handcuffed, Cornejo continued to kick at the officers, according to Lt. Paul Vernon. At the LAPD's Hollenbeck station, Cornejo developed breathing problems, and the police called paramedics, Vernon said. Cornejo was pronounced dead shortly afterward.

Two women have said they saw the police strike Cornejo in the head and body after he was handcuffed, and a third woman said she saw officers drag him through a station hallway and kick him. The police say that is untrue.

Complete autopsy results are pending.



History repeats itself

The recriminations over Cornejo's death are history repeating itself at Ramona Gardens. Eleven years ago, a crowd pelted officers with rocks and bottles after the police shot a suspected gang member to death. In 1991, a similar eruption occurred when a sheriff's deputy fatally shot an unarmed gang member, who authorities said had assaulted a second deputy with a flashlight.

Each time, residents said the police and sheriff's officials had ignored harassment complaints and were out of touch with the community.

The residents do not downplay the presence of Big Hazard. But many say the gang members, for better or worse, have family ties with those on the right side of the law.

The police insist that Big Hazard bullies residents into silence, while dealing drugs and committing robberies.

"Ninety percent of the people in there are good, hard-working people," said LAPD Deputy Chief Cayler Carter. He said the department has resolved to "take that community away from the gang and give it back to the people."

Carter and Fierro said the 2006 shootings at two patrol vehicles were on their minds when they marshaled a military-strength convoy to break up the carwash last week.

Current and former gang members say the police exaggerate the danger. Gabriel, 42, who asked that his last name be withheld, said he joined Big Hazard at age 12, has served multiple prison terms and has been employed under the table since his 2004 parole.

He said Big Hazard does not prey on residents. "It could be better, but it's a nice community," he said the day after the police operation.

Gabriel said that he expected the police to constantly eye him, if only because he is thoroughly branded with gang tattoos, but that the LAPD hassles too many innocents.
City shooting victim remains ‘critical'
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.readingeagle.com/re/news/1624433.asp



City shooting victim remains ‘critical'

From our news staff


A city man remained in critical condition Sunday in Reading Hospital with wounds suffered in a shooting, officials said.

Heriberto Soto-Madera, 22, was shot in the chest and right leg early Saturday in the 300 block of South Seventh Street, police said.

Soto-Madera was found lying on the sidewalk about 2:35 a.m. by police who had responded to a report of a shooting, investigators said.

Police have been unable to question Soto-Madera because of the severity of his injuries, authorities said.

An investigation continues.
One wounded in I-94 shooting overnight
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.kare11.com/news/new...yid=244059

The Minnesota State Patrol is investigating an overnight shooting on Interstate 94 in Minneapolis Monday.

Investigators say two cars were involved in the shooting around 2:00 a.m. near the Dowling exit in North Minneapolis.

Officers followed one of the vehicles to a Cub Foods parking lot in North Minneapolis. Suspects in the second car drove a shooting victim to Hennepin County Medical Center with minor injuries.

The cause of the incident is under investigation.

(Copyright 2007 by KARE. All Rights Reserved)
Daytona 500 Fan Killed On Way Home In Road Rage Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wkmg/2...g/11051783


Three men in Volusia County, Fla., were arrested and charged Monday after a motorist who was on his way home from the Daytona 500 was shot and killed during a road rage incident, according to the sheriff's office.
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Investigators said Eric Houk, 36, from Land O'Lakes was fatally shot at about 9:30 p.m. Sunday on Interstate 4 at the state Road 44 exit by someone in a Ford Explorer.

Houk had just left the Daytona International Speedway with his older brother when the I-4 shooting happened.

Houk was pronounced dead at Florida Hospital.

The Volusia County Sheriff's Office did not say what sparked the shooting only that it was confirmed to be road rage.

David Edwards, Ronlee Harvin and Charles Onasanya were charged with second-degree murder and booked into the Seminole County Jail, according to a Volusia County Sheriff's Office news release.

The shooting blocked I-4 traffic for hours Sunday night but the road has since reopened. Most of the motorists stuck in the traffic jam were traveling home from the Daytona 500.

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Police Suspect Feud Led to Funeral Home Shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/...ryid=41817

Authorities in Cleburne County are investigating a shooting at a Heber Springs funeral home. Police responded Saturday morning to gun shots inside the Olmstead Funeral Home. They found one man shot in the leg and another shot in the abdomen.

Tom Olmstead was treated and released but family members say his son, 56-year-old Dwight Olmstead, who is also the county coroner, remains hospitalized in Little Rock in good condition.

“They're all great people,” said Peggy Fairfield, manager of Smoke House Restaurant. “I never would have imagined anything like that happening.”

Heber Springs Police Sgt. Chad Meli said no arrest have been made at his time. Investigators are still trying to piece together exactly what happened between the two men, since there were no witnesses and only one gun was found.

The Olmstead family is very prominent within the Heber Springs community. They first arrived there in 1896, shortly after the founding of the town, and have been involved within the community ever since.


Charles Crowson, Backpack Journalist
Created: 2/18/2007 9:26:10 PM
Updated: 2/19/2007 9:56:44 A
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written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.keyt.com/news/local/5925131.html



Carpinteria Motel Shooting
A Carpinteria motel shooting has two Central Coast residents recovering from bullet wounds.
The shooter fired several rounds into the Motel 6 on Carpinteria Avenue.

KEY News reporter Regina Ruiz has the exclusive interview with one of the victims, who talks about the terrifying ordeal.

Story Created: Feb 18, 2007 at 6:26 PM PST

Story Updated: Feb 18, 2007 at 6:


26 PM P


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written by bo, February 19, 2007
Show me another city in the world that is not at war that has had 163 murders in the first 19 days of february.


BTW, those bulls**t stats you posted are just that...bulls**t. New Orleans as of 2005 had UNDER 43 murders per 100K. But naturally, you wouldn't know. While the murder rate in RIO is INCREASING, in the U.S. it is DECREASING.

2005

Brazil - population = 185 million - # of murders 55,300

U.S. - population = 300 million - # of murders 14,000


Still, no one has reconciled that!!!

Is Brazil a more violent country than the U.S.???

By statistics, they murder 7X the average that occurs in the United States!
Bo, give up
written by A brazilian, February 19, 2007
Thadeus trounced you with facts. You are the one that loves to use stats, and the one that brings them up all the time, so when someone else come with stats that are official proving what you wouldn't like to acknowledge then it's "bulls**t"?

Hahahahhahahahahaha

Yes, Rio is one of the most violent cities of Brazil, but it's not like that in the whole country, and the US also has similarly violent cities.
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written by bo, February 19, 2007
Yes, Rio is one of the most violent cities of Brazil, but it's not like that in the whole country, and the US also has similarly violent cities.



Well, if you multiply compton in 2005 by 100X, yeah, it would be the same as Rio, lol.
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written by bo, February 19, 2007
Bo, give up
written by A brazilian, 2007-02-19 17:28:42

Thadeus trounced you with facts.



Well, KING deniar, as you are the king of denial here at brazzil.com, how did he trounce me with facts??

Did brazil not have 55,000 murders in 2005??? Yes, they did.

Did the U.S. not have 14,000 murders in 2005?? Yes, they did.

Now, look at the populations.

Brazil is 7 times more violent than the U.S.!

Those are facts, and they are undebatable!
Police Matters from last Saturday in Kalispell, Montana
written by Ric, February 19, 2007
A neighbor Saturday afternoon threatened to have an Evergreen family´s puppies euthanized, the Flathead County Sheriff´s Office reported.

A Saturday evening drive-by shooting splattered a Lakeside house with pink paintballs.

An unmanned snowmobile was found Saturday evening in the middle of U.S. 2 near Walsh Road-apparently fallen from the back of a truck or trailer.

An injured deer had to be shot Saturday eveing near the House of Mystery near Hungry Horse.

A Hungry Horse house´s door was kicked in early Sunday morning.
3 held in fatal shooting of man outside Flint elementary school
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.wlns.com/Global/sto...3&nav=0RbQ



FLINT, Mich. Police say a 26-year-old man who was shot in the head outside a Flint elementary school over the weekend has died.
Damarrio Miles was shot Saturday afternoon at Merrill Elementary School following a basketball game.

Flint school officials say one of Miles' children ran back inside the school gym to tell people that his father had been shot.

Three people arrested shortly after the shooting remain jailed while warrants are being sought.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Police seek suspect in Boise gang shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime...6c6b.html#




BOISE -- Boise Police are searching for the man who they say fired several shots in downtown Boise over the weekend.

Just before 3:30 a.m. Sunday, a cab driver told police he saw a group of men arguing outside 622 W. Idaho Street, which is the address for The Loft Bar.

He says three men started running and a fourth man pulled out a gun and start shooting at them.

The suspect allegedly fired off at least five shots -- hitting the victim several times.

"There was a lot of people around, so it could've easily injured other people, and could've gone numerous places that would be bad," said Lt. Ron Winegar.

The shooting victim is recovering at a Boise hospital.

Police recovered a handgun at the scene and investigators are following a number of leads.

They say the shooting appears to be gang related
Suspects flee scene of Kansas City shooting
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/...34737.htm


Suspects flee scene of Kansas City shooting
The Kansas City Star

Kansas City police are on the scene of a shooting reported at 1:45 p.m. in the 2600 block of Jackson Avenue.

It was not immediately known if the victim’s injuries were life-threatening. Witnesses told police that two suspects, at least one of which was armed with a gun, fled the area westbound in a white sedan with a broken side window.
2 hurt outside Camden nightclub
written by Why do you want to know, February 19, 2007
http://www.courierpostonline.c...e=printart


2 hurt outside Camden nightclub


Two men were injured early today in front of a nightclub in East Camden, police said.

Around 3 a.m., police responded to reports of shots fired in the 3200 block of River Road at the Rumbarengue Nightclub, said police spokeswoman Teresa Sicard Archambeault.

Initial reports said the two men had been injured in a shooting. But police said the men suffered facial injuries after falling on ice near the club, Archambeault said.

The men were taken to Cooper University Hospital, Archambeault said. Their identities and conditions were not immediately available.
Published: February 19. 2007 11:52AM
Bo's right
written by GTY, February 20, 2007
Hey Bo,

When I was living in Ipanema they found a huge cement hole in the ground in Racina (favela) where they found dozens of charred bodies, they would throw people in and then tires and light the entire thing up...they actually called it the "microwave". how many of these are there in Brazil, even though you have proven to the Brazilian with simple facts the truth, the huge murder rate in Brazil is even highly under reported. How many people go missing?
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
2 hurt outside Camden nightclub
written by Why do you want to know, 2007-02-19 18:46:04

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070219/NEWS01/70219025/1004/LIVING&template=printart


2 hurt outside Camden nightclub


Two men were injured early today in front of a nightclub in East Camden, police said.

Around 3 a.m., police responded to reports of shots fired in the 3200 block of River Road at the Rumbarengue Nightclub, said police spokeswoman Teresa Sicard Archambeault.

Initial reports said the two men had been injured in a shooting. But police said the men suffered facial injuries after falling on ice near the club, Archambeault said.

The men were taken to Cooper University Hospital, Archambeault said. Their identities and conditions were not immediately available.
Published: February 19. 2007 11:52AM



2 hurt??? LMAO!!! What are you going to report next??? Granny s**t her pants in Columbus Ohio??
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written by pete h, February 20, 2007
da Silva ? isn't that a Marrano? a typical swindler type thrown out of portugal in the 1400's ??
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written by João Grilo, February 20, 2007
Dear GTY, those murders in ROCINHA (please note spelling, oh would be Brazil scholar) were indeed included in the city's murder rate. As for "undiscovered" murders, these are not unknown in the U.S. either - look at the disappeared people stats. But hell, if wer're going to presume that there're millions of deaths which are completely unaccounted for, presume away. That's the lovely thing about presumptions: one doesn't need facts to back them up so they can conveniently be used to support whatever prejudice you like.

As for Bo...

Buddy, your original point was not that Brazil is more violent than the U.S. OF COURSE Brazil is more violent than the U.S. No one disputes that.

Your original point was twofold, to wit: 1) Rio is as violent as Baghdad and 2) There are no comparable cities in the U.S.

Now, I quite succintly met both points: NO, Rio has nowhere NEAR Baghdad's level of violence and 2) YES, there are plenty of U.S. cities which are comparable to Rio, most specifically several of the cities you yourself named. The most obvious comparison for Rio is NOT Baghdad, but yer luverly inner cities in the good ol' Yew Ess Uv Ay.

So what it comes down to, Bo, is that you not only know f**k-all about Brazil, you apparently don't know - nor could give a flying fornication - about the massive violence occuring in your own country's inner-cities. Because of this, you've now gone off on some obvious tangent about Brazilian violence which has nothing at all to do with your original points.
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written by João Grilo, February 20, 2007
Here's my solution:

LEGALIZE THE CONSUMPTION AND SALE OF COCAINE AND MARIJUANA.

The "cure" for these two drugs is obviously worse than the sickness. Prohibition is proven to cause corruption and violence.

Take half of what we now spend on BOPE, CORE and the other deathsquads and put it into prevention and treatment. Tax the f**k out of drug sales and use the proceeds for further prevention and treatment.

PROHIBIT drugs being advertized in ANY media - along with the so-called "legal" drugs like caffiene, tobacco and booze.

DOUBLE all penalties for people caught in violent crimes while under the influence of any drug - including, once again, booze.

Simple, really.

Why won't we do this?

Two reasons...

1) The U.S. and our own government needs an excuse to kick down any citizen's door at any time of the day or night and, more importantly...

2) The drug war makes alot of money for the right kind of people. It keeps people scared and off the streets. And if anyone gets uppity about stupid s**t like living wages, human rights, or corruption in government, well hey presto: all you need to do is connect their name to drugs somehow and no one will take them seriously.

Drugs: the witch hunt of the 21st century. Hope you law and order types are enjoying the bloodshed, because it's your assinine support of archaic laws and the corrupt idiots who make them that is fully responsible for more than half of what we see in both Rio and the U.S.' inner cities.

Brazil adopts the U.S. drug war. Murder stats rise in direct correlation with the degree of repression mobilized against drugs. It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people simply can't put two and two together on this.

At the bottom, I think most Brazilians and Americans simply love a good lynching and, now that they can't do it on their own any more, the only way they can get their rocks off watching the blood flow is by creating wars on nouns.
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
As for Bo...

Buddy, your original point was not that Brazil is more violent than the U.S. OF COURSE Brazil is more violent than the U.S. No one disputes that.

Your original point was twofold, to wit: 1) Rio is as violent as Baghdad and 2) There are no comparable cities in the U.S.


No one disputes that??? What are you shooting? Obviously they didn't teach you to read in Ca-Ca-Ca-Canada. Look at the denying idiot e harmony, he(she), has been attempting to justify and resolve it throughout this entire thread, as well as A Brazilian. Now, I said that Rio could be compared to Baghdad, not that is was as violent. Afterall, name ONE international city that has had 172 people murdered in the first 19 days of February, that is NOT at war, supposedly, citizens of one country killing their own brethren in mass!

Now, the comparisons that have been made here have been a megalopolis to a small city in the U.S., as in Compton, which everyone certainly regards as Metro LA, and also Gary Indiana. Now, if you want to say they have similiar numbers of deaths per 100,000, ok, go for it. But also include, that Rio de Janeiro is like 100 Gary Indianas. One would have to imagine Gary Indiana multiplied by 100 times, side by side, and you would have Rio. Fair enough?

Sorry João Feijao, but a place such as that does not exist in the U.S., and if you believe it does, then you certainly aren't familiar with the Good Ole' Yew Ess Uv Ay!

My main point, since the beginning, as that as far as violence is concerned, people being murdered, brazil is MUCH more violent than the U.S., to the tune of 7X morso! But naturally you have the ever reality denying idiots that love to chime in about the U.S.....quite funny, and shows the desire to solve the problems, or at least find a scape goat!
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
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written by João Grilo, 2007-02-20 01:53:55

Here's my solution:

LEGALIZE THE CONSUMPTION AND SALE OF COCAINE AND MARIJUANA.



Oh, great solution!! Have you been to Amsterdam lately?? Needle park??? Go ask the citizens of Amsterdam TODAY what they think about the legalization of narcotics.
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
So what it comes down to, Bo, is that you not only know f**k-all about Brazil, you apparently don't know - nor could give a flying fornication - about the massive violence occuring in your own country's inner-cities.



Well, hate to tell ya, but I know all about it. And the reason that I don't give "f**k all", is because they're pretty much killing each other, the gangs that is, those selling and moving drugs. Now, when they start going into Manhattan and car jacking people and killing them on a daily basis, when they start going on the buses or subways and torching people alive, basically when they stop killing their own and going into the "normal" population and start mass murdering, decapitating, and burning alive "normal" citizens, that's when I'll start to care a helluva lot more than I do at this moment. And I, and I'm sure the vast majority of american people, won't wait until the violence multiplies itself by 7!
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
Police Matters from last Saturday in Kalispell, Montana
written by Ric, 2007-02-19 18:21:13

A neighbor Saturday afternoon threatened to have an Evergreen family´s puppies euthanized, the Flathead County Sheriff´s Office reported.

A Saturday evening drive-by shooting splattered a Lakeside house with pink paintballs.

An unmanned snowmobile was found Saturday evening in the middle of U.S. 2 near Walsh Road-apparently fallen from the back of a truck or trailer.

An injured deer had to be shot Saturday eveing near the House of Mystery near Hungry Horse.

A Hungry Horse house´s door was kicked in early Sunday morning.



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written by bo, February 20, 2007
You'd think people would wait to learn a bit more about a case like this before frothing at the mouth. What happened was indeed barbaric and the peretrators will certainly get no tears from me when they die, but it has nothing to do with drug gangs or anything else.


Well, this case didn't, but a helluva large part of violence in Rio IS about drugs. And the daily, out of control, violence in Rio has already desensitized many of it's citizens, and it took something like this to give them a wake-up call, as the daily 17 year old dead, four 20 something men murdered, etc, has become all too accepted in Rio, and many even try and "justify" it, as these types of barbaric acts happen "everywhere". Well, they may happen in many other places, but certainly not with the frequency they do in Rio.
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written by e harmony, February 20, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-20 07:45:56

As for Bo...

Buddy, your original point was not that Brazil is more violent than the U.S. OF COURSE Brazil is more violent than the U.S. No one disputes that.

Your original point was twofold, to wit: 1) Rio is as violent as Baghdad and 2) There are no comparable cities in the U.S.



No one disputes that??? What are you shooting? Obviously they didn't teach you to read in Ca-Ca-Ca-Canada. Look at the denying idiot e harmony, he(she), has been attempting to justify and resolve it throughout this entire thread, as well as A Brazilian. Now, I said that Rio could be compared to Baghdad, not that is was as violent. Afterall, name ONE international city that has had 172 people murdered in the first 19 days of February, that is NOT at war, supposedly, citizens of one country killing their own brethren in mass!

Now, the comparisons that have been made here have been a megalopolis to a small city in the U.S., as in Compton, which everyone certainly regards as Metro LA, and also Gary Indiana. Now, if you want to say they have similiar numbers of deaths per 100,000, ok, go for it. But also include, that Rio de Janeiro is like 100 Gary Indianas. One would have to imagine Gary Indiana multiplied by 100 times, side by side, and you would have Rio. Fair enough?

Sorry João Feijao, but a place such as that does not exist in the U.S., and if you believe it does, then you certainly aren't familiar with the Good Ole' Yew Ess Uv Ay!

My main point, since the beginning, as that as far as violence is concerned, people being murdered, brazil is MUCH more violent than the U.S., to the tune of 7X morso! But naturally you have the ever reality denying idiots that love to chime in about the U.S.....quite funny, and shows the desire to solve the problems, or at least find a scape goat!


Bo, I come in this thread, scroll down and skim over a few posts here and there and I see you have made a few references to me. As I have said before bo, just because there are ithers that disagree with you does not make them me.


P.S. you would be better off addressing their points rather than trying to win your arguments claiming they are me. Bye-bye.
Veja, Feb. 21. pp.47-48
written by Ric, February 20, 2007
ADIANTA FINGIR QUE NÃO VÊ? (Does it help to pretend you can´t see it?)
Picture of an ostrich with its head in the sand, superimposed over criminal activity.

"The "ostrich nation" deplores violence in an abstract sense and forgets the real criminal. The "war on violence" is the theme song of crime. Bandits love it. It makes crime a social issue."
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written by e harmony, February 20, 2007
This is a site to which I'm not sure to the accuracy of its figures. It seems to be difficult to get reliable stats on Baghdad murders (or what is written up as homicide rather than justifiable killings) and violence due to the nature of the war or rather civil war and guerrilla warfare - and related U.S./Allied interests. Baghadad could be far worse or perhaps even better than the numbers out project. My own reason however tells me it is far worse.

Site: [urlhttp://www.boosman.com/blog/2006/09/baghdads_murder_rate_revised.html]

So bo, I think you're a j*ck*ss when you try to compare Ipanema and soccer (football) games to Baghdad - or all the hundreds of thousand of Iraqi people we (USA - with my participation) killed in just the first Gulf War let alone the second and the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
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written by e harmony, February 20, 2007
written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 12:29:19

This is a site to which I'm not sure to the accuracy of its figures. It seems to be difficult to get reliable stats on Baghdad murders (or what is written up as homicide rather than justifiable killings) and violence due to the nature of the war or rather civil war and guerrilla warfare - and related U.S./Allied interests. Baghadad could be far worse or perhaps even better than the numbers out project. My own reason however tells me it is far worse.

Site: [urlhttp://www.boosman.com/blog/2006/09/baghdads_murder_rate_revised.html]

So bo, I think you're a j*ck*ss when you try to compare Ipanema and soccer (football) games to Baghdad - or all the hundreds of thousand of Iraqi people we (USA - with my participation) killed in just the first Gulf War let alone the second and the invasion and occupation of Iraq.



Excerpt from that blog.
Baghdad's Murder Rate Revised

Back in June, I used reports from Baghdad's morgues and available statistics to take a guess at Baghdad's murder rate:

According to Wikipedia, Baghdad's estimated population as of 2005 is 7,400,000. That makes Baghdad's murder rate 195.41 per 100,000 residents.

According to this page, the murder rate for the US in 2004 was 5.5 per 100,000 residents. That means you're 35.53 times more likely to be murdered in Baghdad as you are in the US. But perhaps it isn't fair to compare an urban area to an entire nation. Fine. According to this page, the highest murder rate of any US city in 2002 was that of Washington, DC, at 45.8 per 100,000 inhabitants. That means you're 4.27 times more likely to be murdered in Baghdad as you are in the most dangerous city in the US.

This wasn't shocking enough for some people, who made comments like:

I think it is quite amazing that it is only 4X more likely to be murdered in Baghdad in the middle of an emerging civil war than in Washington D.C.


Rio had a homicide rate of about 50 or 55 per 100,000 in 2005. That's not that much greater of a sociological difference, in terms of violent homicide, than that of society and culture of Washington D.C. which is the location of the White House - not the Kremlin. He*ll broke *ss Moscow has a lower homicide rate the D.C.

Point is Rio is not Baghdad. (and has better shaped bundas I might add)
Brazil, the USA and Africa
written by The American Historian, February 20, 2007
I find it interesting that whenever folks want to explain away problems in Brazil, they always compare it to
problems that are supposedly worse in American cities (i.e., where many black Americans reside) or in Africa
(where even more blacks live). Hmmm, what could be the reason for that? Are there no other places in this world
with violence, poverty and corruption that do not have large numbers of blacks? There are of course,
but the subliminal message seems to be "of course Brazil has problems, look at all of the blacks
they have, just like in Africa and the U.S. Yet this is the land where people supposedly do not focus on race.
My goodness, what would you guys talk about if there were no crime in America's cities; no poverty in Africa,
etc.... Every response contains "oh yeah, but look at Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Nigeria, ......
Some of you folks have a lot of issues to work out. My heart goes out to this boy and his family.
E Harm
written by Ric, February 20, 2007
Oh, might you? I remember your real name but will not use it. How do you know about the bundas? When you were in Baghdad, how did you see up their burkhas? Cell phone camera taped to your tow? Real chance player, aren´t you. Smart AND nervy. Cool.
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
So bo, I think you're a j*ck*ss when you try to compare Ipanema and soccer (football) games to Baghdad - or all the hundreds of thousand of Iraqi people we (USA - with my participation) killed in just the first Gulf War let alone the second and the invasion and occupation of Iraq.



Ya know, how many times does someone have to PROVE that you're full of s**t until you stop taking yourself seriously???

First of all numbnutz, when talking about the first invasion of Iraq, in '91, which you say you were a part of, that was a United Nations Sanctioned Invasion!!! There were more than 80 countries on the side of the UN, including the U.S., so please, spare me your pity party. Did you find Iraq's Information attractive???





I'll bet you jacked off to that pic every day, you sick child m******r!!! Bet you may have even raped some of those 12 year old boys over there huh???
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
Did you find Iraq's Information attractive???



Iraq's Minister of Information
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
According to Wikipedia, Baghdad's estimated population as of 2005 is 7,400,000. That makes Baghdad's murder rate 195.41 per 100,000 residents.



Well that's EQUAL to Camaragibe in Recife Brazil!!!!


And didn't you know, those brazilians are "ohhh so much more sensitive than americans, much more "family oriented"(wouldn't have anything to do with economics), and a "peaceful" people, they don't like war, not like those nasty americans".
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 12:38:05

Point is Rio is not Baghdad. (and has better shaped bundas I might add)



How the f**k would you know??? You've never been there in your life!!! Was it from that episode of "Simpsons go to Brazil"?
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
Brazil, the USA and Africa
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-20 15:58:58

Every response contains "oh yeah, but look at Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Nigeria, ......
Some of you folks have a lot of issues to work out.


And unfortunately A.H. it's exactly why that brazil will remain a violent third world latrine long after we're all gone. The can't accept reality, they can't come to terms with their problems.

At least in EVERY other country that I am familiar with, and that's quite a few, I have NEVER seen significant percentages of a people that try and either pretend as if their problems don't exist, try and justify them, or put the blame on someone, anyone else, besides themselves.

It's a goddamn shame.
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written by bo, February 20, 2007
Rio had a homicide rate of about 50 or 55 per 100,000 in 2005. That's not that much greater of a sociological difference, in terms of violent homicide, than that of society and culture of Washington D.C. which is the location of the White House



Yeah, and it's also "downtown crackville" after hours. Not to mention, 80% black. Ya know, funny thing come to think of it, Compton California, Gary Indiana, the most dangerous places in New Orleans, Washington D.C., all seem to have one thing in common...hmmm, just can't seem to put my finger on it.

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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 20, 2007
Bo Bridges sez:

"Now, I said that Rio could be compared to Baghdad, not that is was as violent."

Bulls**t, son. If it was just comparisons you were trying to make, with no positive or attributive intent, you wouldn't have chased your comments with the bon mot that there's no city remotely comparable in the U.S. Be an adult, son, and admit what you were trying to say instead of attempting to weasle your way out of it.

Furthermore, who brought up Compton? I'm talking New Orleans, a city YOU specifically brought up and hardly a "small town". But if you want to do that sort of statistical cutting and drying, the murder stats for Rio de Janeiro proper are half of those for the State of Rio de Janeiro, which is what I cited. So please don't spout me this bulls**t about "small vs large cities". Rio only gets statistically better when one cuts out the north zone, Baixada and the rest. So if you want to go "small vs. small" or "large vs. large", son, either way you lose: your original argument was simply for s**t. Admit it and move on.

As for the "Canada" bit, you should be the one to talk about drugs, kiddo. what makes yout hink I'm canadian? Did you halucinate a comment of mine out of the thin air or what?

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written by e harmony, February 20, 2007
Brazil, the USA and Africa
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-20 15:58:58

I find it interesting that whenever folks want to explain away problems in Brazil, they always compare it to
problems that are supposedly worse in American cities (i.e., where many black Americans reside) or in Africa
(where even more blacks live). Hmmm, what could be the reason for that? Are there no other places in this world
with violence, poverty and corruption that do not have large numbers of blacks? There are of course,
but the subliminal message seems to be "of course Brazil has problems, look at all of the blacks
they have, just like in Africa and the U.S. Yet this is the land where people supposedly do not focus on race.
My goodness, what would you guys talk about if there were no crime in America's cities; no poverty in Africa,
etc.... Every response contains "oh yeah, but look at Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Nigeria, ......
Some of you folks have a lot of issues to work out. My heart goes out to this boy and his family.


written by bo, 2007-02-20 18:39:13

Rio had a homicide rate of about 50 or 55 per 100,000 in 2005. That's not that much greater of a sociological difference, in terms of violent homicide, than that of society and culture of Washington D.C. which is the location of the White House




Yeah, and it's also "downtown crackville" after hours. Not to mention, 80% black. Ya know, funny thing come to think of it, Compton California, Gary Indiana, the most dangerous places in New Orleans, Washington D.C., all seem to have one thing in common...hmmm, just can't seem to put my finger on it.


American Historian, I am born and raised USA, I'm not Brazilian. So if you've got problems with me bringing up Lagos or D.C. direct at me and not to Brazilians. I'm a product of the United States and remember that always.

Number two, your homeboy bo, is the one making his underhand racist comments (yet again) against black peoples, the same guy you always side with on issues like these.

Number three, it is perfectly legit to point out U.S. cities own homicide problems when gringos keep bashing Brazil for her homicide problems and comparing Rio to Baghdad.

In fact come to think of it, your buddy bo, not A brazilian, is the one who made a racial comment like this: Yeah, and it's also "downtown crackville" after hours. Not to mention, 80% black. Ya know, funny thing come to think of it, Compton California, Gary Indiana, the most dangerous places in New Orleans, Washington D.C., all seem to have one thing in common...hmmm, just can't seem to put my finger on it. Now if the poster A brazilian had said something like that you would be all over him.
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
E Harm
written by Ric, 2007-02-20 16:02:08

Oh, might you? I remember your real name but will not use it. How do you know about the bundas? When you were in Baghdad, how did you see up their burkhas? Cell phone camera taped to your tow? Real chance player, aren´t you. Smart AND nervy. Cool.


I don't get it? Are these suppose to be clever comments or something? You get real annoyed by expressed admiration of the Brazilian physique or the Brazilian woman's bunda, yes? Hey, what can I say... I prefer Brazilian women over Iraqi women and Rio over Baghdad. smilies/grin.gif
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 19:04:18

E Harm
written by Ric, 2007-02-20 16:02:08

Oh, might you? I remember your real name but will not use it. How do you know about the bundas? When you were in Baghdad, how did you see up their burkhas? Cell phone camera taped to your tow? Real chance player, aren´t you. Smart AND nervy. Cool.



I don't get it? Are these suppose to be clever comments or something? You get real annoyed by expressed admiration of the Brazilian physique or the Brazilian woman's bunda, yes? Hey, what can I say... I prefer Brazilian women over Iraqi women and Rio over Baghdad. smilies/grin.gif


Oh! I forgot to sign this: Justin. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 21, 2007
Bo sez:

"Oh, great solution!! Have you been to Amsterdam lately?? Needle park??? Go ask the citizens of Amsterdam TODAY what they think about the legalization of narcotics."

Get many drive by shootings in Amsterdam, do they, Bo?

I realize that many people in the English speaking world have trouble reading these days, so let me reiterate: the cure (the war on drugs) is worse than the disease (drug use). That's all that was said. There was no attempt by anyone here to make drugs sound great. but given dealing with "needle park" or the Comando Vermelho and BOPE, I know damned well which I'd choose.

And so would most cariocas, if they took a moment to think about it.
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 21, 2007
"Yeah, and it's also "downtown crackville" after hours. Not to mention, 80% black. Ya know, funny thing come to think of it, Compton California, Gary Indiana, the most dangerous places in New Orleans, Washington D.C., all seem to have one thing in common...hmmm, just can't seem to put my finger on it."

Why don't you just come out and say it's black peoples' fault, Bo, and quit beating about the bush like a wuss - or wussing around the point like a Bush?

Jesus, kid, tell us what you really think and have at it. Quit with this wimpy "I didn't really MEAN that..." when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that that is EXACTLY what you meant.

You are now going out of your way to associate African ancestry with some sort of "natural" bent for crime and drugs. Gee, I dunno, Body, but social scientists and historians properly call that sort of thinking "racist". But of course a good ol' boy like yourself would NEVER cast such aspirations on our darker brethren citizens, would you? That's simply a politically correct reading of an innocent comment.

Right.

And if you buy that, I have property to sell you on the south side of Avenida Atlantica.

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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-20 18:02:00

So bo, I think you're a j*ck*ss when you try to compare Ipanema and soccer (football) games to Baghdad - or all the hundreds of thousand of Iraqi people we (USA - with my participation) killed in just the first Gulf War let alone the second and the invasion and occupation of Iraq.




Ya know, how many times does someone have to PROVE that you're full of s**t until you stop taking yourself seriously???

First of all numbnutz, when talking about the first invasion of Iraq, in '91, which you say you were a part of, that was a United Nations Sanctioned Invasion!!! There were more than 80 countries on the side of the UN, including the U.S., so please, spare me your pity party. Did you find Iraq's Information attractive???





I'll bet you jacked off to that pic every day, you sick child m******r!!! Bet you may have even raped some of those 12 year old boys over there huh???


Bo, I think you're going to bust a vein in your head one day if you don't stop getting so excited and worked-up. I mean granted, I get some enjoyment out of seeing you so wound-up, but even such a pleasure in life should be taken in their due moderation. smilies/smiley.gif

Anyways, I said I participated in the first Gulf War, not the "first invasion of Iraq." Iraq was not invaded by the United States until the second war she had with her. What I do find interesting in all this is you seem to be more emotionally invested in the whole Gulf War thing than me. smilies/smiley.gif Now that has to be some interest psychological thing right there, some psychologist should study that. Nonetheless, I mention the large numbers of Iraqis killed in Gulf War 1 & 2 because it was so many. Granted, large numbers surrendered, but many that dod not surrender were killed too. I think I read that approximately 100,000 Iraqis died in the first Gulf War, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly about that figure. Either way we (the US) killed many in a very short period of time. Which no doubt has had to have had some sociological effect in Iraq. H*ll, just being occupied and in a state of civil war Iraq is in presently, has had to have some negative sociological effects within Iraq. So my comment had nothing to do with "pity party" - in fact I believe you are more emotionally worked-up over it than me. LOL.
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-20 18:03:01

Did you find Iraq's Information attractive???




Iraq's Minister of Information


No, just your mouth. I'm actually sitting with a hard-on right now thinking about that gapping pie hole of yours.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Bo, I think you're going to bust a vein in your head one day if you don't stop getting so excited and worked-up. I mean granted, I get some enjoyment out of seeing you so wound-up, but even such a pleasure in life should be taken in their due moderation. smilies/smiley.gif



bud, you can believe, I've been getting quite a good laugh ever since I've discovered you are a convicted child m******r.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
I don't get it? Are these suppose to be clever comments or something? You get real annoyed by expressed admiration of the Brazilian physique or the Brazilian woman's bunda, yes? Hey, what can I say... I prefer Brazilian women over Iraqi women and Rio over Baghdad.



How would you know? You've never been to Rio!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-20 19:22:22

And if you buy that, I have property to sell you on the south side of Avenida Atlantica.




Are you putting more or less than 50% of the actual purchase price on the escritura?
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 21, 2007
BtW, pre-war Baghdad was 4.5 million. The METRO area was 8.0 million. This is according to Wikipedia.

c**kburn's stats are from the MUNICIPAL police of Baghdad and are valid only for the city proper.

And for those of you who are babbling on and on about "uncounted murders"... Do you REALLY think they are counted well in wartime Baghdad? 50 murders a day according to the cops of that city and that is a MINIMUM estimate.
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-20 18:53:16

Bo Bridges sez:

"Now, I said that Rio could be compared to Baghdad, not that is was as violent."

Bulls**t, son. If it was just comparisons you were trying to make, with no positive or attributive intent, you wouldn't have chased your comments with the bon mot that there's no city remotely comparable in the U.S. Be an adult, son, and admit what you were trying to say instead of attempting to weasle your way out of it.

Furthermore, who brought up Compton? I'm talking New Orleans, a city YOU specifically brought up and hardly a "small town". But if you want to do that sort of statistical cutting and drying, the murder stats for Rio de Janeiro proper are half of those for the State of Rio de Janeiro, which is what I cited. So please don't spout me this bulls**t about "small vs large cities". Rio only gets statistically better when one cuts out the north zone, Baixada and the rest. So if you want to go "small vs. small" or "large vs. large", son, either way you lose: your original argument was simply for s**t. Admit it and move on.

As for the "Canada" bit, you should be the one to talk about drugs, kiddo. what makes yout hink I'm canadian? Did you halucinate a comment of mine out of the thin air or what?


Happy to read some of your posts.

I mean if one faces it, Rio and Brazil as a whole has some real problems in many areas, be it violence or extent of poverty. However, the U.S. has some serious problems too, and I don't buy the idea that Brazil or Rio de Janeiro are the worse places on planet earth. Granted, if you are a street kid strung out on glue in Rio, I certainly can understand and empathize with Rio being a living h*ll for you (plural usage). But you can find people in the U.S. with whom find their own place and experience in the United States to be far short of a paradise.

Brazil and Rio also have there attractive qualities, everything about Brazil or Rio is not a sad story, it can't be. Otherwise they would be Irish. smilies/grin.gif j/k
Brazil, Iraq, Sudan, all the rest of the s**tholes will soon be coming to a neighborhood near you.
written by cobra, February 21, 2007
If you subscibe to the Hobbes version of the world, a hegomon is needed, Saddam was a c**ksucker no doubt, a snake, but snakes survive cause they have no qualms about killing to eat and survive, we killed a snake (Saddam) for being a snake, now he's dead lynched by monkeys shouting Al-Sadr who by the way did not show his fat ass untill US troops "liberated" Iraq. My point is Brazil is a violent place because people have accepted it, this heinous carjacking with the kid being dragged was actually stopped by someone who was armed and was willing to kill the driver. Babies have been run over in the street in the USA and then lynched by a mob which would have been the best thing to happen to those 3 c**ksucker carjackers in Baixada, if they do 3years in jail it will be because of the publicity. I am sure if some judge gave someone 3 years for murdering a family member of mine I WOULD make the judge pay, but Brazilians are not like that. Brazilians thank god everday that THEY were not the object of violence. Brazil needs a hegamon, they have never had a revolution (maybe now would be the time) so the Jeffersonian democracy that spawned here in the US never will make it in Brazil and just like Iraq had Saddam to keep the bag of snakes in order, its sad to make a comparison. The British dealt with their IRA problem with targeted assassinations, false flag operations and diplomacy with the easy liners and had great success, and the militias in the favelas are a move in the right direction just like Los Pepes were successful with the Medellin cartel in Colombia. It is a CIVIL war in brazil and it has to be the CIVILians that take it back but it won't happen, life of poor folk just has no value, no one kidnaps poor folk.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Furthermore, who brought up Compton? I'm talking New Orleans, a city YOU specifically brought up and hardly a "small town". But if you want to do that sort of statistical cutting and drying, the murder stats for Rio de Janeiro proper are half of those for the State of Rio de Janeiro, which is what I cited. So please don't spout me this bulls**t about "small vs large cities". Rio only gets statistically better when one cuts out the north zone, Baixada and the rest. So if you want to go "small vs. small" or "large vs. large", son, either way you lose: your original argument was simply for s**t. Admit it and move on.




Sorry, you are RIGHT. Rio, which is certainly NOT one of the most violent cities in brazil, is much safer than ANY city in the u.s. There isn't any comparison. And of course, those 53,000 murders amongst a population of 180 million most mostly be taking place in places like Jucuruçu, Bahia, right numbnutz??

I mean, afterall, when it gets down to the nitty gritty, you ARE trying to "justify" and make comparisons of the reality in brazil's homicide rate with the U.S.'s??? Aren't ya?

Then, we really need to look at the overall picture, don't we??

2005

Brazil - population = 185 million - 53,300 murders

U.S. - population = 300 million (plus another 12 million illegals) - 14,000 murders


Yeah, very similiar, similiar indeed.

Ya know, if it wasn't for those medical advances that they have in the U.S. that they don't have in brazil, or if it wasn't for those mandatory target shooting classes they give to pre-school brazilians, the murder rate would probably be the same...or I would say worse.






And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
So if I want to go small vs small, or large vs large...I lose???
written by bo, February 21, 2007
How is that numbnutz???


OK, let's go large vs large.

Murder Rate:

The U.S. vs Brazil.


Who wins?
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Jesus, kid, tell us what you really think and have at it. Quit with this wimpy "I didn't really MEAN that..." when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that that is EXACTLY what you meant.



WTF are you talking about?? Where did I say, " I didn't really mean that..."???

I stand by my post, just an observation that EVERYONE makes when looking at the places with the highest murder rates in the U.S. Compton, New Orleans, Washington DC, Baltimore, Gary...what do they all have in common??? It's not like NO ONE else has noticed! And I have not drawn any conclusions, just an observation.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Bulls**t, son. If it was just comparisons you were trying to make, with no positive or attributive intent, you wouldn't have chased your comments with the bon mot that there's no city remotely comparable in the U.S. Be an adult, son, and admit what you were trying to say instead of attempting to weasle your way out of it.



Hey bouy, you's from down around tennessee way son?? Just the way you's calling everyone "son" and ever-e-thin, I's says you's either 95 years young, or you's from tennessee!!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 19:26:48

written by bo, 2007-02-20 18:03:01

Did you find Iraq's Information attractive???




Iraq's Minister of Information



No, just your mouth. I'm actually sitting with a hard-on right now thinking about that gapping pie hole of yours.



You really do consistantly show your wit!!!!


You's is twoooooo smarts E!
The Cobra
written by Ric, February 21, 2007
Listen to what he says. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
e harmony

Anyways, I said I participated in the first Gulf War, not the "first invasion of Iraq." Iraq was not invaded by the United States until the second war she had with her.


Am I missing something here?? There have only been TWO U.S. wars with Iraq! The first in '91 and the current, and we sure as hell did invade in the first one. What were those ground troops doing capturing Iraqi's that were throwing down their weapons and running with their hands up surrendering before a bullet was even fired?? We stopped approximately 60 km's outside of Baghdad, was Bush seniors biggest screw-up that we're paying for today.

e, wow, for someone that supposedly "participated" in the first Iraq war you're not familiar that we invaded on the ground?? Also, you called Iraq, "her". That's funny, most americans wouldn't do that, but a brazilian would......hmmmmmmm.
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
We stopped approximately 60 km's outside of Baghdad,



My bad, that was 150 miles from baghdad. And the ground campaign last for 100 hours until Bush declared a cease-fire.
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-20 19:28:31

bud, you can believe, I've been getting quite a good laugh ever since I've discovered you are a convicted child m******r.


Child m******r, no. I think you have me confused with Thomas Jefferson. smilies/grin.gif

But like Thomas Jefferson I do like mulattas butts. smilies/grin.gif I'm sure if he had his way he would not leave a Rio de Janeiro beach - well... at least not the kiddie side. I'd be over by the adult side - whatever my predilections are they are not "rocking the cradle."
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written by e harmony, February 21, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-21 07:56:04

e harmony

Anyways, I said I participated in the first Gulf War, not the "first invasion of Iraq." Iraq was not invaded by the United States until the second war she had with her.



Am I missing something here?? There have only been TWO U.S. wars with Iraq! The first in '91 and the current, and we sure as hell did invade in the first one. What were those ground troops doing capturing Iraqi's that were throwing down their weapons and running with their hands up surrendering before a bullet was even fired?? We stopped approximately 60 km's outside of Baghdad, was Bush seniors biggest screw-up that we're paying for today.

e, wow, for someone that supposedly "participated" in the first Iraq war you're not familiar that we invaded on the ground?? Also, you called Iraq, "her". That's funny, most americans wouldn't do that, but a brazilian would......hmmmmmmm.


@ bold: Really? And would Americans (USA) spell "americans" with a lower case a when referring to themselves in reference to their beloved nation state and apple pie? Yes, I'm quite fine with the use of the word "her," my vocabulary is just larger than your's (and perhaps less sexist).

And no, we did not invade Iraq in the first Gulf War - at least not in the since of overthrowing a regime or "status quo." Exactly were all troop movement was throughout the entire war, or exactly what all took place within that war, I'm not familiar with. A person that was never involved in any phase of that war but did a lot of reading on that war, would likely know a lot of things about that war I don't know. Hence the power of reading and the potential books offer (assuming said books have accurate information). I was stationed on a ship giving supporting fire, that hardly give me insight into every thing about the Gulf War. Does it give me some insight - yes, but some is the key word. No one, no troop knows all things about a war, I don't care if they fought in the U.S. Civil War or the Vietnam War - and certainly there are scholars that study both those wars that have valid insights into those wars that veterans of them would not or do not.

Kind of like your rhetoric about having to go to Brazil to know anything about Brazil. Such a thing perhaps was more true in the 1700's but it became less true in the latter 20th century and with the speed of the internet (which shrinks the world in many respects) it is less and less true in the 21st century. Of course, nothing beats experience, one can read about and orange and know things about it, but to actually taste it and know it that way is a different thing. Once you have tasted and orange you can't be fooled if someone tries to pass a slice of grape fruit to you and tell you it's a slice orange. This is the power of experience, but things can be known by reading or even film or CD's or internet required information now. For instance one does not have to come to the United States to know how George Bush looks - a man in China in the 1500's would probably have no idea what indigenous "Americans" looked liked in that same century. If knowledge required someone to actually "be some where" in the latter 20th century or the 21st century then I would reckon their would be no money in showing the Super Bowl on tv or the World Cup soccer match, nor could any knowledge of any of the games be derived from watching them on tv, nor would viewers have great emotional investment in watching opposing teams - for they could not really know what was happening, who was winning, and et cetera because "they were not physically there in location."

I don't need to be in Brazil to know it is a great country. (even with her faults) smilies/cool.gif
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 21, 2007
Bo sez:

"Sorry, you are RIGHT. Rio, which is certainly NOT one of the most violent cities in brazil, is much safer than ANY city in the u.s. There isn't any comparison."

What's the matter now, Bo? Can't defend your original position so you have to build strawmen and attack them? Who the f**k made any claim that Rio is safe?

And again, who here has claimed that Brazil is SAFER than the U.S?

I know you probably have trouble with multi-sylable words, Bo, but try to focus, please. Your original point was that Rio = Baghdad and that n o city in the U.S. was comparable. As I've shown above, Rio is completely comparable with several U.S. cities and is far from Baghdad. If you have a problem with those stone cold facts, kiddo, you need to strat drinking more heavily. In any case, making stupid-ass comments like "Brazil is safer than the U.S." and then attempting to attribute those to people here who certainly haven't said that not only shows you up as ignorant, but as a simple f**king liar.

I suggest you quit while you're ahead.

As for your "draw your own conclusions", comment... Kiddieboy, the only thing worse than a racist is a racist who doesn't have the balls to come right out and say what he means. We got your message loud and clear. You may be fooling your fratboy buddies with your mealie-mouthing, but you're not fooling anyone with any degree of intelligence and - once again - you come off looking like and even bigger fool than before.

If you aren't 19 Bo - mentally, at least - I'll eat my hat. smilies/cheesy.gif

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written by bo, February 21, 2007
@ bold: Really? And would Americans (USA) spell "americans" with a lower case a when referring to themselves in reference to their beloved nation state and apple pie? Yes, I'm quite fine with the use of the word "her," my vocabulary is just larger than your's (and perhaps less sexist).


You're full of s**t!! Americans don't refer to "objects" in the masculine/feminine sense, as latins do!! Yes, at TIMES we'll call a ship, or a car, "she", but it is certainly not normal. And if anything, it has NOTHING to do with "education", quite the contrary my dear! We don't call countries "her", or "she"!! You called BOTH the U.S. and Brazil "her" and "she". You're a f**king "closet monkey"! Come out of the woodwork will ya already!

And, since we're on the topic, if I would've been involved in the gulf wars, when I spoke of them, I would use the term "we", when the U.S. military did this, or that, but you don't......strange indeed!

And no, we did not invade Iraq in the first Gulf War - at least not in the since of overthrowing a regime or "status quo." Exactly were all troop movement was throughout the entire war, or exactly what all took place within that war, I'm not familiar with. A person that was never involved in any phase of that war but did a lot of reading on that war, would likely know a lot of things about that war I don't know. Hence the power of reading and the potential books offer (assuming said books have accurate information). I was stationed on a ship giving supporting fire, that hardly give me insight into every thing about the Gulf War. Does it give me some insight - yes, but some is the key word. No one, no troop knows all things about a war, I don't care if they fought in the U.S. Civil War or the Vietnam War - and certainly there are scholars that study both those wars that have valid insights into those wars that veterans of them would not or do not.


So now you'r claiming ignorance??? I mean E, you have told us how you are [b[twooo smart, and I believe you. How in the hell, if not before, certainly after, a life changing experience for certain, have you not followed up on the war???


I mean the biggest of RETARDS had to know that the U.S. was sending in ground forces in '91. The average "Joe beer garden" knew it, you, the intelligent person that you are, and serving in the military, must've knew that we were going in on the ground.....if not, then certainly afterwards!!! It's common f**king knowledge!

Kind of like your rhetoric about having to go to Brazil to know anything about Brazil. Such a thing perhaps was more true in the 1700's but it became less true in the latter 20th century and with the speed of the internet (which shrinks the world in many respects) it is less and less true in the 21st century.


Well goddamn, it's good to find out that I'm now an expert on China since I watched "vale tudo" that was taped in Beijing!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-21 11:07:19

written by bo, 2007-02-20 19:28:31

bud, you can believe, I've been getting quite a good laugh ever since I've discovered you are a convicted child m******r.



Child m******r, no. I think you have me confused with Thomas Jefferson. smilies/grin.gif



No, there were no LAWS at that time that made what he did ILLEGAL!!


But YOU, self-admittedly, have had SEX, and were CONVICTED OF HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR!


Damn, what a piece of human garbage!
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
Bo, but try to focus, please. Your original point was that Rio = Baghdad and that n o city in the U.S. was comparable. As I've shown above, Rio is completely comparable with several U.S. cities and is far from Baghdad.



No, that was NOT my original post, please....quote my original post you lying piece of human garbage,lol!

Now, also, Rio is NOT compararable to ANY U.S. city if you take the SAME variables into account!!!!

You're bulls**t post about New Orleans, that was in 2003, and N.O. doesnt't come close to the population of Rio!!

So let's make examples that are similiar, you could only make an example of Rio to NYC, LA, or Chicago, because they are of "like" populations.

As I said before, you want to compare it to compton??? Go ahead! But I'm desperately waiting on the stats for Compton 2006!!! Because according to the early stats, Compton reduced their murder rate down to 15 per 100,000!!!!! That's 6 hours in Rio!!!! Let's compare "megalopolis' to megalopolis'", ok???
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written by bo, February 21, 2007
As for your "draw your own conclusions", comment... Kiddieboy, the only thing worse than a racist is a racist who doesn't have the balls to come right out and say what he means. We got your message loud and clear. You may be fooling your fratboy buddies with your mealie-mouthing, but you're not fooling anyone with any degree of intelligence and - once again - you come off looking like and even bigger fool than before.

If you aren't 19 Bo - mentally, at least - I'll eat my hat. smilies/cheesy.gif



Well we certainly all know that you're of an age of maturity of 50 or above.....eh "mealie mouth"? smilies/grin.gif
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
written by A brazilian, February 21, 2007
You're full of s**t!! Americans don't refer to "objects" in the masculine/feminine sense, as latins do!! Yes, at TIMES we'll call a ship, or a car, "she", but it is certainly not normal. And if anything, it has NOTHING to do with "education", quite the contrary my dear! We don't call countries "her", or "she"!! You called BOTH the U.S. and Brazil "her" and "she". You're a f**king "closet monkey"! Come out of the woodwork will ya already!


This is probably one of the most hilarious things I have ever read in these forums. Hahahahahahaha. Now grammar can be sexist!? Hahahahahaha You should study a bit of latin, the mother language of portuguese, it would help your little mind to understand a little better about why "latins do" it.

I am truly laughing here, I am not saying this just to try to humiliate anyone, this is so ridiculous that it is funny.
What a tangled web we weave......
written by O Botequero de vigança, February 22, 2007
As for your "draw your own conclusions", comment... Kiddieboy, the only thing worse than a racist is a racist who doesn't have the balls to come right out and say what he means. We got your message loud and clear.


What message is that Thaddy-pie? That the majority of violent urban crimes in major US and Brazilian cities (or Canadian, UK, well, you name it) are committed by black youths? You disagree with that? If so, please do tell?

Bo made an – get ready for it you liberals -- OBSERVATION, and asked for ya´ll to draw your own conclusions. It seems to me that the “loud and clear” message that came from this had more to do with your OWN bleeding heart interpretation (anally retentive liberal white boy, anyone??? hmmm?) and not from Bo’s observation. Oh how you lot love to bandi the ole racist lable abooot, eh! Christ, I find his comment MUCH more academically palatable than THAD's cheap joke -- under an assumed alias of course -- about poor little JOÃO (not Joel) made earlier.

For those that missed Thaddeus’ unique brand of cutting edge wit, Thad’s (Macunaíma’s, João Grilo’s) little gem is highlighted below.

This year for Carnival, I'm going as little Joelzinho, complete with tire marks and a t-shirt reading "Rio de Janeiro is a drag".
I suggest you Pollyanas stay up in Europe and the U.S. and rent Bambi for your carnvaval entertainment.!


Sorry sir DIPs**t, IP’s don’t lie! Wait until this little gem of yours starts circling the campus (mandar ou não mandar, eis a questão?…. Hmmmmmm…já mandei!, f***********a sem graça). You’ll have lead in your ass from the same glue sniffing, synapse deficient s**theads you LUV to defend. Ya, gottadig Brasil. Or as THADdeus (to be read with lisp and arrogant liberal timber while attemtping a John Wyane swagger) SEZ:

We are an "eye-for-an-eye" kind of society


That was so kkkeeewwwllllll, tough boy. Do it again?

And folks, the man that made the pathetic joke about a 6 year old child, shred of his parts, while being dragged under a car by glue sniffing dregs supposedly TEACHES at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. And you wonder why there is such a moral problem in Rio?

Keep up the good work BO. You’ve got the tranny lovers, disillusioned Brazilians (A Brazilian) and now UFRJ (profs/prodigies?) scrambling. Qwa qwa qwa
A brazilian
written by O Botequero de vigança, February 22, 2007
This is probably one of the most hilarious things I have ever read in these forums. Hahahahahahaha. Now grammar can be sexist!?


You make no sense at all when you write. E H is full of s**t, but at least he can string a sentence together. It meanders, twists and drudges up the darker elements of poetic prose, but in a pinch you can, with effort, follow the flow (regardless if you think the author is a nutbar – which is a given). But you sir, should be scribbling with crayons or etching on cave walls. Your contributions to these threads add nothing of value. Please FOAD.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
This is probably one of the most hilarious things I have ever read in these forums. Hahahahahahaha. Now grammar can be sexist!? Hahahahahaha You should study a bit of latin, the mother language of portuguese, it would help your little mind to understand a little better about why "latins do" it.



Are you really a brazilian???

Brazilians, as well as other latins, call OBJECTS, "he", or "she", with regularity.



Americans don't.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
What a tangled web we weave......
written by O Botequero de vigança, 2007-02-21 21:05:18



damn buddy, not just saying this because you're on my side, but you have a way with words.
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written by e harmony, February 22, 2007
So now you'r claiming ignorance??? I mean E, you have told us how you are [b[twooo smart, and I believe you. How in the hell, if not before, certainly after, a life changing experience for certain, have you not followed up on the war???


I mean the biggest of RETARDS had to know that the U.S. was sending in ground forces in '91. The average "Joe beer garden" knew it, you, the intelligent person that you are, and serving in the military, must've knew that we were going in on the ground.....if not, then certainly afterwards!!! It's common f**king knowledge!



smilies/cheesy.gif I don't know, bo, do I claim greater ignorance or lesser ignorance with more than one question mark used at the end of a sentence? Of course if I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across (read that as lacking confidence in being able to communicate within the limits of normal English grammar) I guess I can always end a sentence with multiple exclamation marks. So I don't know, bo, I'm sure I am ignorant of many things (even in English grammar) but some how I doubt strongly I'm as ignorant as you. smilies/smiley.gif

Anyways... what is all this yapping you're doing about "going in on the ground"? Exactly what is that suppose to mean, Mr. Four Stars? U.S. troops were on the ground long before the war actually begun.

And like I said originally, my ship provided fire support, that should be pretty evident I was referring to troops on land. "Going in on the ground" smilies/cheesy.gif funny sh*t - what a f*ckin brilliant strategy I would never have thought of that in a million years - I mean f*ck Ceaser, your sh*t is genius.
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written by e harmony, February 22, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-21 16:53:56

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-21 11:07:19

written by bo, 2007-02-20 19:28:31

bud, you can believe, I've been getting quite a good laugh ever since I've discovered you are a convicted child m******r.



Child m******r, no. I think you have me confused with Thomas Jefferson. smilies/grin.gif




No, there were no LAWS at that time that made what he did ILLEGAL!!


But YOU, self-admittedly, have had SEX, and were CONVICTED OF HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR!


Damn, what a piece of human garbage!


Let me repeat this again: "Child m******r, no. I think you have me confused with Thomas Jefferson. smilies/grin.gif

But like Thomas Jefferson I do like mulattas butts. smilies/grin.gif I'm sure if he had his way he would not leave a Rio de Janeiro beach - well... at least not the kiddie side. I'd be over by the adult side - whatever my predilections are they are not "rocking the cradle."


Thomas Jefferson was sexually active with a 13 year old girl - his wifes half sister at that and both their personal slave. I had sex with a 17 year old when I was 20. Jefferson was skirting pedophilia potentially (I believe clinically defined one sex with a girl below 12 is pedophilia but I could be wrong and it might be 13). So the American flag waves as a banner of the "founding father" that pops 13 year old girls cherries. Bo's great hero. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif - and as bo points out: legally.
OH YUK
written by Ric, February 22, 2007
Yuk. That´s really gross. And how does one "skirt pedophilia potentially"? I can´t keep up metaphorically.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Anyways... what is all this yapping you're doing about "going in on the ground"? Exactly what is that suppose to mean, Mr. Four Stars? U.S. troops were on the ground long before the war actually begun.



Ground invasion dickhead, and your obvious lies about you being in the military couldn't be more obvious. You try to come off as being intelligent and now you're going to act as if you were just a bumbling bozo doing whatever you were told and neither before, during, or after, had any idea as to what the f**k was going on?

You are truly 100% full of s**t e!
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Thomas Jefferson was sexually active with a 13 year old girl - his wifes half sister at that and both their personal slave. I had sex with a 17 year old when I was 20. Jefferson was skirting pedophilia potentially (I believe clinically defined one sex with a girl below 12 is pedophilia but I could be wrong and it might be 13). So the American flag waves as a banner of the "founding father" that pops 13 year old girls cherries. Bo's great hero. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif - and as bo points out: legally.



E harm, you're posts ooze femininity, and not the femininity of a fag, but hey, maybe you're a dike. But a chick for certain.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
What a tangled web we weave......
written by O Botequero de vigança, 2007-02-21 21:05:18

As for your "draw your own conclusions", comment... Kiddieboy, the only thing worse than a racist is a racist who doesn't have the balls to come right out and say what he means. We got your message loud and clear.



What message is that Thaddy-pie? That the majority of violent urban crimes in major US and Brazilian cities (or Canadian, UK, well, you name it) are committed by black youths? You disagree with that? If so, please do tell?

Bo made an – get ready for it you liberals -- OBSERVATION, and asked for ya´ll to draw your own conclusions. It seems to me that the “loud and clear” message that came from this had more to do with your OWN bleeding heart interpretation (anally retentive liberal white boy, anyone??? hmmm?) and not from Bo’s observation. Oh how you lot love to bandi the ole racist lable abooot, eh! Christ, I find his comment MUCH more academically palatable than THAD's cheap joke -- under an assumed alias of course -- about poor little JOÃO (not Joel) made earlier.

For those that missed Thaddeus’ unique brand of cutting edge wit, Thad’s (Macunaíma’s, João Grilo’s) little gem is highlighted below.

This year for Carnival, I'm going as little Joelzinho, complete with tire marks and a t-shirt reading "Rio de Janeiro is a drag".
I suggest you Pollyanas stay up in Europe and the U.S. and rent Bambi for your carnvaval entertainment.!



Sorry sir DIPs**t, IP’s don’t lie! Wait until this little gem of yours starts circling the campus (mandar ou não mandar, eis a questão?…. Hmmmmmm…já mandei!, f***********a sem graça). You’ll have lead in your ass from the same glue sniffing, synapse deficient s**theads you LUV to defend. Ya, gottadig Brasil. Or as THADdeus (to be read with lisp and arrogant liberal timber while attemtping a John Wyane swagger) SEZ:

We are an "eye-for-an-eye" kind of society



That was so kkkeeewwwllllll, tough boy. Do it again?

And folks, the man that made the pathetic joke about a 6 year old child, shred of his parts, while being dragged under a car by glue sniffing dregs supposedly TEACHES at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. And you wonder why there is such a moral problem in Rio?


It all makes sense now, I knew it was Macu.

Damn, always knew there was some problems there, but making fun at what happened to little João, that's a bit overboard. Would love to see him sport a T-shirt as he described, would be quite fun watching him get gang-stomped.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
A brazilian
written by O Botequero de vigança, 2007-02-21 21:22:32

But you sir, should be scribbling with crayons or etching on cave walls.....



I nearly spit out my coffee on that one! smilies/grin.gif
O Botequero de vigança
written by A brazilian, February 22, 2007
I am astonished by the quality of your texts, they are all clear and logical, exhibitting a clearly superior knowledge of the English language. Especially with the use of words such as "ya´ll", "DIPs**t", "LUV", "SEZ", etc. smilies/smiley.gif By the way, what "O Botequero de vigança" means? Certainly it isn't portuguese, because such words don't exist.

As for the subject in my previous post, if the american ostriches knew anything besides english they would know that any neo latin language use genres for words (french, italian, spanish, portuguese, etc), and that's due mainly due to its inheritance from latin. Even non neo latin languages such as german use it. In german the word "sun" and "work" are feminine, but "day" is masculine, for example.

Was it an eye opening revelation for you? Yes, there are lots of "amazing" things out there, try reading more. smilies/smiley.gif But the claim that the grammar is sexist is funny, it could only come from someone very ignorant.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
O Botequero de vigança
written by A brazilian, 2007-02-22 10:43:52

I am astonished by the quality of your texts, they are all clear and logical, exhibitting a clearly superior knowledge of the English language. Especially with the use of words such as "ya´ll", "DIPs**t", "LUV", "SEZ", etc. smilies/smiley.gif By the way, what "O Botequero de vigança" means? Certainly it isn't portuguese, because such words don't exist.

As for the subject in my previous post, if the american ostriches knew anything besides english they would know that any neo latin language use genres for words (french, italian, spanish, portuguese, etc), and that's due mainly due to its inheritance from latin. Even non neo latin languages such as german use it. In german the word "sun" and "work" are feminine, but "day" is masculine, for example.

Was it an eye opening revelation for you? Yes, there are lots of "amazing" things out there, try reading more. smilies/smiley.gif But the claim that the grammar is sexist is funny, it could only come from someone very ignorant.



boner, baghdad bob, the incredibly ignorant reality denying A brazilian, WHO claimed that grammar is sexist??? That was only YOU!

What I stated is that in english we do not refer to inanimate objects in the feminine or masculine sense, as we do in portuguese, and other latin languages. When e harmony, whom supposedly has never been to brazil, referred to both the U.S. and Iraq as "she", and "her", it certainly has the appearance of someone that speaks a latin language as their first language, speaking english. As I encounter brazilians everyday that make this same error.
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 22, 2007
Bo complains that I am a "lying piece of human garbage" and asks that I quote his original post where he claims Rio doesn't compare to U.S. cities and that it does compare to Baghdad. Given that Bo apparently has some form of brain damage which prevents him from remembering his own words, I'm happy to oblige. On the 17th, Bo wrote the following, which he posted above:

"Can you compare it with Los Angeles....NO. Chicago? NO. Miami? NO. New Orleans? NO. New York City? Hell NO! Can you compare it with Baghdad??? Yes, you actually can. It would be the closest thing today on planet earth to compare the violence in Rio to."

Bo has made the claim - three times now - that he never said anything of the like, which is stupid as this post can quite clearly be seen by anyone choosing to scroll up. So I wonder why he feels the need to call me a "lying piece of garbage" when he can't even be honest about comments which he himself wrote and which are accessible by anyone.

The only question here Bo isn't whether you're a liar. I mean c'mon, given the above posts, it's quite obvious that you are. The only question is whether you are too stupid to realize that you are denying what you wrote earlier or if this denial is the result of an overweening cynicism combined with a fatal defect in your character.

But lying, you obviously are, kiddo.

Bo then rambles on...

"You're bulls**t post about New Orleans, that was in 2003, and N.O. doesnt't come close to the population of Rio!! So let's make examples that are similiar, you could only make an example of Rio to NYC, LA, or Chicago, because they are of "like" populations."

Actually, as we can see from the post quoted above, the the person who originally brought up New Orleans, NYC, and Chicago was YOU, kiddo, not me. YOU made the claim that they couldn't be compared, which you now deny. Now you seem to be switching to the crypto-racist position that it's the black populations in these cities that cause all the crime.

As for NO and Rio being uncomparable because Rio is "bigger" than NO, again, I answered this above: compare Rio proper to NO - two cities of roughly the same size - and you'll find that Rio's murder stats are less than half of NO's. So your comment here, again, makes no sense at all.

"Well we certainly all know that you're of an age of maturity of 50 or above..."

Thank you.

Bo ends his rambles with...

"E harm, you're posts ooze femininity, and not the femininity of a fag, but hey, maybe you're a dike. But a chick for certain."

Great. Racist, homophobic and now sexist, too. You're really one hell of a guy, Bo, especially for someone who's trying to assert some sort of higher moral ground on this forum. smilies/cheesy.gif



Botequero asks...

"What message is that Thaddy-pie? That the majority of violent urban crimes in major US and Brazilian cities (or Canadian, UK, well, you name it) are committed by black youths? You disagree with that?"

Yes, I do. Urban? We're talking about the census bureau, IBGE's and the FBI's definition of "urban", right? Or are we talking about Hollywood's definition of "urban" which is synonymous with black? Because only in that definition could the majority of urban violent crimes in the U.S. and Canada be considered the work of black youth. But hey, I've long ago given up the notion that people actually look at the world through anything but a Hollywood lens, so I can see why you'd have that impression, Botequero. It is incorrect, however.

"And folks, the man that made the pathetic joke about a 6 year old child, shred of his parts, while being dragged under a car by glue sniffing dregs supposedly TEACHES at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. And you wonder why there is such a moral problem in Rio?"

I teach at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, do I? That's nice. I wish it were true, but go ahead and send my name off to the reitor. I'm sure he'll love to go on a wild goose-chase because of an anonymous internet posting from a guy who supports the idea that black youth are responsible for the majority of the Western world's street crime. BtW, when you do so, make sure you get your Brazilian girlfriend to clean up your Portuguese so you don't sound like an ignorant gringo clown.







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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Bo ends his rambles with...

"E harm, you're posts ooze femininity, and not the femininity of a fag, but hey, maybe you're a dike. But a chick for certain."

Great. Racist, homophobic and now sexist, too. You're really one hell of a guy, Bo, especially for someone who's trying to assert some sort of higher moral ground on this forum. smilies/cheesy.gif



No, E harmony has stated he is a man, ex american military, convicted of having sex with a minor, I don't believe it. I believe e harmony is a female by her writing style, if you want to say that I'm sexist, so be it. At least I don't make fun of little kids that have been violently murdered....real contribution to humanity you are......piece of trash.
Hey Th-th-thad...
written by bo, February 22, 2007
buddy, YOU are full of s**t! The only person that is "lying" here is you by attempting to say that I attempted to represent this, or that, when the point of all my posts has been the overall murder rate in Brazil is MUCH higher than that of the U.S.!

Here is my first post concerning this topic.

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written by bo, 2007-02-17 06:44:42

They go to the most bizarre lengths to stretch the statistics as much as possible, such as adding attempted murders onto murders and calling it the 'murder rate', using a murder rate of 32,000 a year which was from a respected medical organization but which since has been roundly scientifically debunked (even by the original source - though the '32,000' is still widely used by white South Africans interestingly), routinely calling yourself the 'murder capital of the world' even when you're not, and ignoring scientific murder studies in morgues which conclude that the official murder rate is very accurate. These people are insane.




Bud, if you're talking about the overall number of murders, South Africa doesn't touch brazil, even with their "attempted" murders. BRAZIL HAD 55,200 PEOPLE MURDERED IN 2005!

The U.S. had 14,000.

Brazil - population = 185,000,000 =55,200 murders

U.S. - population = 300,000,000 = 14,000 murders






You do the math!




Now, I made that post, mentioning the U.S. in comparison to brazil, because, as USUAL, some brazil lover, or reality denying brazilian, or some bleeding heart anti-american liberal, like yourself, always likes to try and justify or deny the atrocities that exist in brazil. So you make comparisons, you show horses**t "examples" that have taken place in the U.S., as if they were commonplace, like "why do you want to know" started doing, and has done, all through this thread.

Now, you want to compare murder rates to Baghdad??? Supposedly they have around 190 per 100,000, Camaragive Recife has 181 per 100,000!!! Comparable aren't they?

Overall murder numbers??

Brazil 2005 - 55,300

Iraq(civilians) -52,000 (in 3 years!)

Rio has a neighborhood with a murder rate of 120 per 100K, Duque de Caixas I believe.

The U.S. has absolutely no neighborhoods, cities, states, that come close to 100 per 100K.


You want to say that I'm a liar??? Go ahead, everything is in black and white. Everyone can see what I have responded and why. If you're so hellbent on people lying, what don't you jump on the asses of people like "a brazilian", who states that racism does NOT exist in brazil!! Imagine that!

Or E harmony, who does nothing but tell lies, have caught him/her in them numerous times.

But what I would like to know is how someone with your obvious enormous intellectual capacity, reduce himself to make jokes about a 6 year old kid that was murdered by a bunch of punks by dragging him through the streets of Rio and literally tear him apart, limb by limb.

You're sick, serious problems there my boy.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Camaragibe Recife
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
I teach at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, do I? That's nice. I wish it were true,



damn, I was chuckling because I thought you were making the salary of a university professor in brazil, but apparently not even that. Working with those NGO's on prostitute issues doesn't pay much I bet.
Bo
written by The American Historian, February 22, 2007
What clues do you think make it likely E Harmony is a female? I did notice that he/she did ask for a new picture of Ana P.
earlier and he/she almost seemed to get off describing the image of American black females brutally beating up the sultry and
attractive Ana P. What do you think we are dealing with here? I did come down on this person pretty hard after those comments,
but maybe this explains it.
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 22, 2007
"At least I don't make fun of little kids that have been violently murdered."

Nope. People like you just generally ignore it, every single day, and propose measures which are proven to lead to even more murders of children and then go about your merry way. In fact, Bo, the only time I've ever even see you weep for kids in Brazil was for Joel. The dozens of kids killed every year by the police's highpowered rifles... Well, hey, according to you, that's just the cost of doing business in the New World Order. You're only willing to appeal to "humanity" when the kid in question is white, middle class and from the asphalt. So please don't all in my face about "humanity", girlfriend, when you're the first to deny it to anyone who doesn't look like you or lives in your income bracket.

"...or some bleeding heart anti-american liberal..."

Wait a minute. First I'm Canadian, then I'm a UFRJ professor, now I'm an American... Jeezis kiddo, would you make up your mind already? smilies/cheesy.gif For a man who's shown himself to be remarkably clueless about Brazil and the U.S., you sure as hell are full of presumptions about what I do for a living.

"Now, you want to compare murder rates to Baghdad??? Supposedly they have around 190 per 100,000..."

Where'd that number come from, I'd like to know? The numbers I've seen - fresh out of the ICG and the current Iraqi government, indicate a rate 3 times higher than that. Where'd you'd get either of those two numbers? Or have you just pulled them straight out of your a*****e, which seems to be your preferred methodology?

"Rio has a neighborhood with a murder rate of 120 per 100K, Duque de Caixas I believe."

Again, I'd like to see the source on that. My sources indicate that DdQ (which is a city, not a neighborhood of Rio, oh well informed gringo) has a murder rate around 60 per.

"The U.S. has absolutely no neighborhoods, cities, states, that come close to 100 per 100K."

Bulls**t. Once again, you make a statement for which there is no attribution whatsoever. Earlier you claimed New Orleans couldn't be compared to Rio when in fact, statistically, it's WORSE than Rio. Now any reasonably bright person realizes that deaths aren't spread evenly throughout a city. Given that Rio clocking in at 45 deaths per 100,000 and NO at 57, I'll bet my eye-teeth that NO has a neighborhood where's it's close or over 100 per 100k. In fact, it's almost a statistical certainty.

"You want to say that I'm a liar??? Go ahead, everything is in black and white."

Child, it's damned clear what you wrote: Rio can't be compared to any American city. Rio is comparable to Bagdhad. Then you denied writing this three times. If that's not lying, I certainly don't know what is. If you're cool with that, fine, but please don't try to confuse normal people with your prevarications.





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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Wait a minute. First I'm Canadian, then I'm a UFRJ professor, now I'm an American...


You need to get your s**t straight, take your methadone today?

I did imply you were canadian, another guy said you were a professor at UFRJ, and saying that you are "anti american" certainly doesn't imply you're american, most times, to the contrary!

And, you can rest assured of one thing, I NEVER make fun of tragic situations. It doesn't matter to me if its a man, woman, or child, black, white, purple, or strawberry pink, I certainly wouldn't be making fun at the death of a child, and certainly not one as tragic as this. It doesn't matter one iota to me what his income level is, nor what he looks like, but obviously, it does to you. Since he wasn't poor, black, or some starving minority that has been abused by the cruel, cruel "system" that has been installed the world over by the tyrannical american imperialist empire.

Get a f**king life boy! You should be careful, s**t like that tends to come back around.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
Bulls**t. Once again, you make a statement for which there is no attribution whatsoever. Earlier you claimed New Orleans couldn't be compared to Rio when in fact, statistically, it's WORSE than Rio. Now any reasonably bright person realizes that deaths aren't spread evenly throughout a city. Given that Rio clocking in at 45 deaths per 100,000 and NO at 57, I'll bet my eye-teeth that NO has a neighborhood where's it's close or over 100 per 100k. In fact, it's almost a statistical certainty.



You pull quite a few statistics out of your ass..did you know that?? The most recent numbers on New Orleans, and this was BEFORE Katrina, was 53 per 100K, not 57, and, since the vast increase in national guard in new orleans since Katrina the murder rate there has fell dramatically. For you to claim that there are neighborhoods or cities that have rates of 100 or more per 100K, show us your stats. I can show you the rates for nearly every city in the U.S., and the highest I have seen WAS in compton cal, and that was 76 per 100K.

The point of the whole issue is that there are a whopping 14,000 murders in a country of, lets face it, at least 310 MILLION people, and brazil there are 53,000 amongst 185 million!!!!!!!

Is brazil more violent??? Would you agree with that???? About 7X moreso, eh "child killer"?? Agree with those non-deniable facts and I'm happy! smilies/grin.gif
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
and the highest I have seen WAS in compton cal, and that was 76 per 100K.



and it looks as if compton in 2006 may have reduced their murder rate by a whopping 70% or more!
Historian...
written by bo, February 22, 2007
take a look at many of E's posts.....tell me what you think afterwards. I guess it could be because he's a raving flamer, as he claims, but I don't think so.
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written by bo, February 22, 2007
"Rio has a neighborhood with a murder rate of 120 per 100K, Duque de Caixas I believe."

Again, I'd like to see the source on that. My sources indicate that DdQ (which is a city, not a neighborhood of Rio, oh well informed gringo) has a murder rate around 60 per.


Well, oh informed one, you're really f**king informed then aren't ya? Don't you consult the very numbers from Brazil's own Ministry of Justice??


More Civilians Murdered in Brazil in One Year than in Iraq After 3 Years of War
Written by Francesco Neves
Tuesday, 26 September 2006
About 45,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the invasion of their country by the United States in March 2003. In 2005 alone over 55,000 Brazilians were murdered in a non-declared civil war that has been ravaging Brazil for years.

According to just-released data by Brazil's Justice Ministry more than 150 Brazilians suffered violent death each day last year. The government, however, called reporters to tell that crime has been dropping in Brazil in recent years mainly due to disarmament campaigns.

For Marcelo Durante, the Justice Ministry's report coordinator, the biggest reduction in criminality occurred in states where more people participated in the government program to buy back firearms.

Durante also revealed that many violent crimes are underreported in Brazil. ~He mentioned for example that it's believed that 75% of robberies and 85% of rapes are never reported to the police.

Many Brazilian seem to think that reporting those crimes would be just a waste of time since the authorities wouldn't do anything anyway.

The government study listed crimes that occurred in cities with more than a 100,000 inhabitants in 2004 and 2005. The numbers come straight from the states Security Secretariats.

The state of Rio de Janeiro despite a 4% decrease in the number of violent deaths kept its title as murder champion followed by Pernambuco state in the Brazilian northeast.

Camaragibe, a city in Recife's (capital of Pernambuco) metropolitan area, was the municipality with the highest number of violent deaths. There were 180.9 murders for each 100 thousand residents during the period studied.

Duque de Caxias, in Rio de Janeiro, came in second with 120.7 deaths per 100,000. And it was a big surprise to see Curitiba, capital of the southern state of Paraná, appearing in third, with a rate of 119.9 deaths.

For comparison's sake, New Orleans, the US most violent city had a murder rate of 53.1 deaths per 100,000 before the Katrina hurricane. In Washington DC the rate is 45 per 100,000, in Detroit, 41.8 and in Iraq 27.5 violent deaths per 100,000 people.

All over Brazil, the number of deaths by violent crime grew 1% from 2004 to 2005, raising from 54,696 homicides to 55.312. This despite the reduction of murders in 11 states including Rio Grande do Sul, which saw an expressive decline of 35%.


Bo
written by Ric, February 22, 2007
It´s not just that reporting crimes is a waste of time. The police want to come in and look the place over. They appear to be sizing it up.

Sometimes they know the usual suspects better than they know their own smell.

Sometimes they want money for gas to go out and chase the perps.

Sometimes they get your stuff back due to the help of your own people and won´t release it to you unless you pay them.

You can wind up in situations where everyone is teed off at you: the crooks, the cops, the neighbors, the witnesses.

You go down to report it and it´s inconvenient, the place stinks, the escrivão is off today. So people just let it go.

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written by bo, February 23, 2007
You can wind up in situations where everyone is teed off at you: the crooks, the cops, the neighbors, the witnesses.



My house was robbed my 2nd year here, and that is exactly what happened. f**king funny huh?
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
Bo sez:

"It doesn't matter one iota to me what his income level is, nor what he looks like..."

But unless he's white and middle class, you simply don't hear about it on Fox and thus could care less. Simple. Case closed.

"Get a f**king life boy! You should be careful, s**t like that tends to come back around."

Is that a threat, Bo? Because if it is, it's the second time now. If you can't keep from frothing at the mouth, then shut up.

"The most recent numbers on New Orleans, and this was BEFORE Katrina, was 53 per 100K, not 57..."

Well, that makes a HUGE difference, Bo. I stand corrected. Of course, 53 per 100k is still worse than RdJ.

"About 45,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the invasion of their country by the United States in March 2003."

Sorry, that number is ludicrously low and only counts Iraqi civilians which the U.S. admits killing. It does not count deaths due to crime, infrastructural breakdown or deaths by Iraqis themselves.

As for the 120 per 100k in Duque, I'd like a direct attribution to the report, please. What you've given us is a newspaper article whcih often gets basic numbers wrong. Given the fact that this same article cites the total death rate in Iraq for three years as 45k, a number which every rep**able authority in the world, including the UN and the ICG itself would disagree with, I think I am quite justified in questioning this reporter's bonafides and asking for a direct source.

In my work, I deal with the state security apparatus everyday and have never seen the report this so-called journalist refers to, Given the fact that your Portuguese skills seem to be next to nil, Bo, it doesn't suprise me in the slightest that your reduced to citing thrid-hand reports in anonymous gringo magazines to back up your points.

Hey, Bo! I've seen newspaper articles in the Washington Times claiming that Brazil is involved in nuclear arms development, too. Shouldn't we be worried about that? After all, I saw it in a paper... smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
Interestingly enough, a search for "Marcelo Durante" doesn't turn up very much information about this mind-bending research. What it does turn up is a couple of newspaper articles that make this claim in connection with his name, though no direct attribution as to the report's results. In fact, the report that Marcelo is writing up hasn't apparently been furnished yet. It's set to come out early this year. God knows what JB is talking about, but again, this is a third hand citation of a report no one has seen and which gets basic facts about the war in Iraq wrong.

Real authoritative, that.

But if you want to elect Marcelo as your own personal guru regarding crime in Brazil, be my guest. Look at the following article...

http://www.jmonline.com.br/?canais,6,05,66

Here, Marcelo says that the majority of murders are bar fights and fights between neighbors, not things created by drug trafficking, and also that the number of murders are falling.
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
Sorry, that number is ludicrously low and only counts Iraqi civilians which the U.S. admits killing. It does not count deaths due to crime, infrastructural breakdown or deaths by Iraqis themselves.



Really?? Well show us your proof to the contrary! Funny how people like you always ask for some kind of stat, then when you provide it, they deny it's plausability.

As for the 120 per 100k in Duque, I'd like a direct attribution to the report, please. What you've given us is a newspaper article whcih often gets basic numbers wrong. Given the fact that this same article cites the total death rate in Iraq for three years as 45k, a number which every rep**able authority in the world, including the UN and the ICG itself would disagree with, I think I am quite justified in questioning this reporter's bonafides and asking for a direct source.


Now the brazilian numbers came from the state secretariats offices of each state. If you want confirmation, get it yourself! But I seriously doubt the Brailian justice ministry is lying, and YOU, all knowing lover of child murderers, know better!
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
In my work, I deal with the state security apparatus everyday and have never seen the report this so-called journalist refers to, Given the fact that your Portuguese skills seem to be next to nil, Bo, it doesn't suprise me in the slightest that your reduced to citing thrid-hand reports in anonymous gringo magazines to back up your points.

Hey, Bo! I've seen newspaper articles in the Washington Times claiming that Brazil is involved in nuclear arms development, too. Shouldn't we be worried about that? After all, I saw it in a paper... smilies/cheesy.gif


Ya know, what's your hangup on portuguese. FYI, I speak portuguese fluently. Tell me this, you sound like someone that because you speak the language here you think that you know better than most!! I, as well as many "gringos" that I know here in brazil, speak, read, and write portuguese, and we don't act as if it's some 2nd coming of christ. You talk as if speaking portuguese is like a passport to the land of "knowlege".

And what is this "state security apparatus".....LMAO!

Security apparatus? In Rio?? And do you think because you work WITH this "state security apparatus" that you would be privvy to all reports about crime, etc that have been done or exist in brazil??

Shoot Marcelo Durante an email, I certainly believe this article, that quotes Mr. Durante and gives specific numbers, which I would think could even be confirmed on their site, more than some pint-sized, trying to overcompensate for physical shortcomings, Mr. Know-it-all!

You're pathetic!

Tell me something, completely off topic here. But I'd bet a dollar to a donut that you're about 5 foot 8, 160 lbs soaking wet, absolutely sucked at sports, and buried your head in books since an early age in an attempt to compensate for your shortcomings of being "accepted" amongst your peers, and got your ass kicked on a regular basis while growing up, sound familiar?

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written by bo, February 23, 2007
s that a threat, Bo? Because if it is, it's the second time now. If you can't keep from frothing at the mouth, then shut up.



It's not even the first time! If I threaten you son you'll f**king know it, it won't be implied.

What I stated was a bit of my experience, s**t like you stated that you were going to do, normally comes back around to those that do that evil type of horses**t!

Now, let's hear you justify making jokes at the expense of a 6 year old tore limb from limb. Go ahead, make more ASSUMPTIONS
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
about me or others in an attempt to justify your blasphemy. I would LOVE to see you wear a shirt like you stated you would and go downtown Rio. It would be fun watching you get torn apart by the very dregs you love to defend.
Medievel Murder In Brazil
written by Ric, February 23, 2007
In what sense can this murder be called "medieval"?

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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-22 07:06:20

Anyways... what is all this yapping you're doing about "going in on the ground"? Exactly what is that suppose to mean, Mr. Four Stars? U.S. troops were on the ground long before the war actually begun.




Ground invasion dickhead, and your obvious lies about you being in the military couldn't be more obvious. You try to come off as being intelligent and now you're going to act as if you were just a bumbling bozo doing whatever you were told and neither before, during, or after, had any idea as to what the f**k was going on?

You are truly 100% full of s**t e!


Perhaps Four Star, you can enlighten me on this ground invasion of Iraq, or this "going in on the ground" that was so common knowledge in these beer gardens so many high paid, college educated, privates enjoy frequenting. "Going in on the ground" is that frequent Marine Corps jargon, bo? smilies/grin.gif Anyways, bo, it is good to know that the U.S. military has finally reduced the fog of war to such a degree that they can give every soldier, sailor, Marine and airman play-by-play action of every thing that is going on or underway in war. So, bo, being the beer garden is were the font of knowledge is located and you seem so predisposed to knowing what "logically" and in "common sense" and "common knowledge" is going to happen in U.S. military strategies and missions, perhaps then you can enlighten all of us as to the date U.S. troops will be pulled out of Iraq? Of course no controversy could have ever surrounded that small matter either I'm sure, as every private, and every U.S. military family back state side has always known exactly when troops were coming back home. H*ll, the U.S. President has always known the exact date because through those famous beer gardens, "common knowledge," and the lexicon of bo: "going in on the ground," has since replaced such respected and historical factors of war such as, uncertainty and confusion (fog), with certainty and absolute order, bringing about such a knowledge and foresight of battle plans, occupations, and conclusions, that any adjustment to our enemy is negated and theory and prediction become fact before hand. G*dddamn, Four Star, you sure are good - but then you know all about that "going in on the ground," salty, hard-charger as you are - the salt is just coming off your cammies.
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-22 07:09:51

Thomas Jefferson was sexually active with a 13 year old girl - his wifes half sister at that and both their personal slave. I had sex with a 17 year old when I was 20. Jefferson was skirting pedophilia potentially (I believe clinically defined one sex with a girl below 12 is pedophilia but I could be wrong and it might be 13). So the American flag waves as a banner of the "founding father" that pops 13 year old girls cherries. Bo's great hero. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif - and as bo points out: legally.




E harm, you're posts ooze femininity, and not the femininity of a fag, but hey, maybe you're a dike. But a chick for certain.


Yeah? Your writing style is very Jerry Springerish - and by that I imply the lower class of the ghetto or trailer parks and not the more sophisticated and yearning residing within them. Plus, if it is a femininity of the Brazilian kind: golden, alluring, thoughtful or provocative but always sexy, I'll be honored in such esteemed association.
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
Bo
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-22 14:35:54

What clues do you think make it likely E Harmony is a female? I did notice that he/she did ask for a new picture of Ana P.
earlier and he/she almost seemed to get off describing the image of American black females brutally beating up the sultry and
attractive Ana P.
What do you think we are dealing with here? I did come down on this person pretty hard after those comments,
but maybe this explains it.


@ bold: Of course your characterization of me, in regards to your assertion I highlighted in bold, is totally false. It does seem evident then - or at least very probable - that you practice a writing style to be libel against those you disagree with. As for me I will pay it little mind as I evidently converse with a little man. But if that is your choice so be it.

What is more interesting though, is your tenacity to stay closely associated with bo, even though you claim to be a proud black American who takes objection with my statements or projections of black America having certain social ills or problems hampering it at a more significant level than say white America. Yet I make no suggestion what so ever, that those community problems within black America result from a genetic predisposition. For me to suggest something like that would be to cast damnation on myself as I am half black (mulatto). Black people are no more genetically inclined toward violence or armed robbery than white people or moreno mestizos. However, bo, does imply black people are genetically predisposed towards violence - it's implicit within some of his comments.

Thus rings a Shakespearean irony, "My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun," the question unfolds not who E Harmony is but by which misfortune did you two become who you are?
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-22 15:46:30

Bulls**t. Once again, you make a statement for which there is no attribution whatsoever. Earlier you claimed New Orleans couldn't be compared to Rio when in fact, statistically, it's WORSE than Rio. Now any reasonably bright person realizes that deaths aren't spread evenly throughout a city. Given that Rio clocking in at 45 deaths per 100,000 and NO at 57, I'll bet my eye-teeth that NO has a neighborhood where's it's close or over 100 per 100k. In fact, it's almost a statistical certainty.




You pull quite a few statistics out of your ass..did you know that?? The most recent numbers on New Orleans, and this was BEFORE Katrina, was 53 per 100K, not 57, and, since the vast increase in national guard in new orleans since Katrina the murder rate there has fell dramatically. For you to claim that there are neighborhoods or cities that have rates of 100 or more per 100K, show us your stats. I can show you the rates for nearly every city in the U.S., and the highest I have seen WAS in compton cal, and that was 76 per 100K.

The point of the whole issue is that there are a whopping 14,000 murders in a country of, lets face it, at least 310 MILLION people, and brazil there are 53,000 amongst 185 million!!!!!!!

Is brazil more violent??? Would you agree with that???? About 7X moreso, eh "child killer"?? Agree with those non-deniable facts and I'm happy!


bo,

If that is Mac, and he has experience in quantitative social science, then likely his grasp of mathematics is stellar, if so he also likely has a far better understanding or handle on additive and or multiplicative probability than either of us. That you didn't even know there is a difference between county and city in U.S. metropolitans does not reflect good on your ability to understand numbers and their relation to city life, in comparison to Thaddeus that is.
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written by bo, February 23, 2007

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-23 03:16:19
Yet I make no suggestion what so ever, that those community problems within black America result from a genetic predisposition.



And neither did I, and I challenge you to quote it! You and Th-th-thadeus just loooove to put words in peoples mouths, don't ya?
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
Perhaps Four Star, you can enlighten me on this ground invasion of Iraq, or this "going in on the ground" that was so common knowledge in these beer gardens so many high paid, college educated, privates enjoy frequenting. "Going in on the ground" is that frequent Marine Corps jargon, bo? smilies/grin.gif Anyways, bo, it is good to know that the U.S. military has finally reduced the fog of war to such a degree that they can give every soldier, sailor, Marine and airman play-by-play action of every thing that is going on or underway in war. So, bo, being the beer garden is were the font of knowledge is located and you seem so predisposed to knowing what "logically" and in "common sense" and "common knowledge" is going to happen in U.S. military strategies and missions, perhaps then you can enlighten all of us as to the date U.S. troops will be pulled out of Iraq? Of course no controversy could have ever surrounded that small matter either I'm sure, as every private, and every U.S. military family back state side has always known exactly when troops were coming back home. H*ll, the U.S. President has always known the exact date because through those famous beer gardens, "common knowledge," and the lexicon of bo: "going in on the ground," has since replaced such respected and historical factors of war such as, uncertainty and confusion (fog), with certainty and absolute order, bringing about such a knowledge and foresight of battle plans, occupations, and conclusions, that any adjustment to our enemy is negated and theory and prediction become fact before hand. G*dddamn, Four Star, you sure are good - but then you know all about that "going in on the ground," salty, hard-charger as you are - the salt is just coming off your cammies.


Tell me something, why, after you're caught in either 1. an obvious lie, or 2. An obvious error, do you then attempt to twist and tort the conversation in another direction? Now you are asking me the date of a future event?? That no one knows??? But previously you made a statement that an event that already took place, which EVERYONE on the planet with a television knew about as soon as it was happening, never took place. You denied the occurrence of a historical event which you yourself, supposedly, participated in!

Now, you stated that the U.S. military never invaded Iraq until the 2nd Iraqui war.....should I quote you??

Now, obviously, one would tend to think that you obviously meant a "ground invasion", as we began an air invasion many months earlier, which everyone watched live via CNN and many other news outlets around the globe, and naturally, once again, is common knowlege, even to Joe Beer Garden, but obviously not to you E, the ever oh-so-intelligent Marine that was there supplying "support"! Here, let's go to the quote;

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 19:24:47
Anyways, I said I participated in the first Gulf War, not the "first invasion of Iraq." Iraq was not invaded by the United States until the second war she had with her.


Do you know the definition of "invasion" Einstein? I know that I have the vocabulary of Jerry Springer but even a dumb hillbilly like myself knows the definition of simple little words like "invasion". Obviously you need it spelled out for you.

Invasion:

1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
3. An intrusion or encroachment.

OK, I think it's fair to say, matter of fact it would be a downright lie, or a huge statement of ignorance, to claim that the U.S. military did NOT "invade" Iraq in 1991, the first Gulf War.

"Invasion", my little tranny-loving, child molestor, has NOTHING to do with regime change!

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written by bo, February 23, 2007
bo,

If that is Mac, and he has experience in quantitative social science, then likely his grasp of mathematics is stellar, if so he also likely has a far better understanding or handle on additive and or multiplicative probability than either of us. That you didn't even know there is a difference between county and city in U.S. metropolitans does not reflect good on your ability to understand numbers and their relation to city life, in comparison to Thaddeus that is.


Well then quit talking out your a*****es and show me the studies or numbers to support your flapping yap! I have yet to see any city or neighborhood in the U.S. with a murder rate even close to 100 per 100K. I have showed numbers and studies done, numerous, through this thread and others, but funny it is, that when I do, those numbers, studies, etc, are questioned, and asked to be confirmed further. Get off your ass and do it yourself! I'm quite satisfied that the numbers that were taken from a report from the Justice Ministry's Marcelo Durante, quoting the guy, isn't some big fabricated U.S. conspiracy!
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
Persian Gulf Wars or Gulf Wars, two conflicts involving Iraq and U.S.-led coalitions in the late 20th and early 21st cent.

The First Persian Gulf War, Jan.–Feb., 1991, was an armed conflict between Iraq and a coalition of 32 nations including the United States, Britain, Egypt, France, and Saudi Arabia. It was a result of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2, 1990; Iraq then annexed Kuwait, which it had long claimed. Iraqi president Saddam Hussein declared that the invasion was a response to overproduction of oil in Kuwait, which had cost Iraq an estimated $14 billion a year when oil prices fell. Hussein also accused Kuwait of illegally pumping oil from Iraq's Rumaila oil field.

The UN Security Council called for Iraq to withdraw and subsequently embargoed most trade with Iraq. On Aug. 7, U.S. troops moved into Saudi Arabia to protect Saudi oil fields. On Nov. 29, the United Nations set Jan. 15, 1991, as the deadline for a peaceful withdrawal of Iraqi troops from Kuwait. When Saddam Hussein refused to comply, Operation Desert Storm was launched on Jan. 18, 1991, under the leadership of U.S. Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf.

The U.S.-led coalition began a massive air war to destroy Iraq's forces and military and civil infrastructure. Iraq called for terrorist attacks against the coalition and launched Scud missiles at Israel (in an unsuccessful attempt to widen the war and break up the coalition) and at Saudi Arabia. The main coalition forces invaded Kuwait and S Iraq on Feb. 24 and, over the next four days, encircled and defeated the Iraqis and liberated Kuwait. When U.S. President George H. W. Bush declared a cease-fire on Feb. 28, most of the Iraqi forces in Kuwait had either surrendered or fled.

Although the war was a decisive military victory for the coalition, Kuwait and Iraq suffered enormous property damage, and Saddam Hussein was not removed from power. In fact, Hussein was free to turn his attention to suppressing internal Shiite and Kurd revolts, which the U.S.-led coalition did not support, in part because of concerns over the possible breakup of Iraq if the revolts were successful. Coalition peace terms were agreed to by Iraq, but every effort was made by the Iraqis to frustrate implementation of the terms, particularly UN weapons inspections.

In 1993 the United States, France, and Britain launched several air and cruise-missile strikes against Iraq in response to provocations, including an alleged Iraqi plan to assassinate former President George H. W. Bush. An Iraqi troop buildup near Kuwait in 1994 led the United States to send forces to Kuwait and nearby areas. Continued resistance to weapons inspections led to bombing raids against Iraq, and trade sanctions imposed on Iraq remained in place, albeit with an emphasis on military-related goods until the second Gulf conflict. See also Gulf War Syndrome.

The Second Persian Gulf War, also known as the
Iraq War,
Mar.–Apr., 2003, was a largely U.S.-British invasion of Iraq. In many ways the final, delayed campaign of the First Persian Gulf War, it arose in part because the Iraqi government failed to cooperate fully with UN weapons inspections in the years following the first conflict.


Ah... here is what I pulled up on answers.com.

Apparently U.S. forces did move into Southern Iraq. However, essentially in military terms, that was nothing more than a raid. Properly speaking, so far as I understand it, invasions generally are followed with occupation. Raids rather, are followed by retreat out of territory invaded.
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-23 04:47:39
Tell me something, why, after you're caught in either 1. an obvious lie, or 2. An obvious error, do you then attempt to twist and tort the conversation in another direction? Now you are asking me the date of a future event?? That no one knows??? But previously you made a statement that an event that already took place, which EVERYONE on the planet with a television knew about as soon as it was happening, never took place. You denied the occurrence of a historical event which you yourself, supposedly, participated in!

Now, you stated that the U.S. military never invaded Iraq until the 2nd Iraqui war.....should I quote you??

Now, obviously, one would tend to think that you obviously meant a "ground invasion", as we began an air invasion many months earlier, which everyone watched live via CNN and many other news outlets around the globe, and naturally, once again, is common knowlege, even to Joe Beer Garden, but obviously not to you E, the ever oh-so-intelligent Marine that was there supplying "support"! Here, let's go to the quote;

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-20 19:24:47
Anyways, I said I participated in the first Gulf War, not the "first invasion of Iraq." Iraq was not invaded by the United States until the second war she had with her.



Do you know the definition of "invasion" Einstein? I know that I have the vocabulary of Jerry Springer but even a dumb hillbilly like myself knows the definition of simple little words like "invasion". Obviously you need it spelled out for you.

Invasion:

1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
3. An intrusion or encroachment.

OK, I think it's fair to say, matter of fact it would be a downright lie, or a huge statement of ignorance, to claim that the U.S. military did NOT "invade" Iraq in 1991, the first Gulf War.

"Invasion", my little tranny-loving, child molestor, has NOTHING to do with regime change!


bo, many terms can suggest many different meanings. While the dictionary is useful, it is in proper use meant to give definition of words in their popular usage, it the function of the dictionary is not tell what something is - this is why so many slang words make their way into the English dictionary yearly - because the dictionary tells somethings popular usage and not what it essentially is.

When military forces utilize raids they do not seek regime change or what Clausewitz would refer to as the overthrow of the status quo, however, invasions generally do seek the overthrow of the stats quo. Take both the Iraqi and U.S. invasion of Kuwait, both intended the overthrow of the status quo, even the purpose of the Second Gulf War was for the purpose of the overthrow of a regime or status quo. U.S. forces into Southern Iraq in the first Gulf War in my eyes must not have had more intent on the status quo in Iraq other than for the essential purpose of raid. From my perspective, that is as I was out at sea, I understood the U.S. objective to be to take back Kuwait from the Iraqis - the purpose of my ship to be to provide support in the war. Of course somethings I knew and know, and other things I did not know and I still don't know. But that is war (not to mention life), amongst other things like sleep deprivation it is essentially to follow orders, and to know nothing yet still be operational. For someone like a General war is probably seen and understood from a different point of view (to use a literary sense of that word) than that of a low ranking enlisted. Likewise the low ranking enlisted who moves at a moment notice, without privilege of knowing what exactly is going on (accept for the immediacy of the events and objectives given), has a different point of view on warfare than from the person that sits back home viewing televised images of it. It might also be worth noting that news reports attempt to disseminate news, that is information of events or subject, within what they refer to as "logical order." In war dissemination of information is much, much, different, troops are generally given what information is deemed they need to know to perform their specific objective, up to day highlights are not normal daily procedures. Information in war for troops is handed down for the purpose of function, in contrast to news media that shoots information into the homes of civilians for the purpose of intrigue.

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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-23 04:56:15

bo,

If that is Mac, and he has experience in quantitative social science, then likely his grasp of mathematics is stellar, if so he also likely has a far better understanding or handle on additive and or multiplicative probability than either of us. That you didn't even know there is a difference between county and city in U.S. metropolitans does not reflect good on your ability to understand numbers and their relation to city life, in comparison to Thaddeus that is.



Well then quit talking out your a*****es and show me the studies or numbers to support your flapping yap! I have yet to see any city or neighborhood in the U.S. with a murder rate even close to 100 per 100K. I have showed numbers and studies done, numerous, through this thread and others, but funny it is, that when I do, those numbers, studies, etc, are questioned, and asked to be confirmed further. Get off your ass and do it yourself! I'm quite satisfied that the numbers that were taken from a report from the Justice Ministry's Marcelo Durante, quoting the guy, isn't some big fabricated U.S. conspiracy!


Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
E Harmony and Bo
written by The American Historian, February 23, 2007
I have done some research on the different writing styles of men and women and if you are not a woman E Harmony, you
are probably an older male--possibly gay--but you do not have the same perspective or writing style as me, Bo or Ric or A Brazilain. Your way
of arguing and choice of words seems more typical of a woman though of course there are always exceptions. Look at how you
insulted me by calling me a "little man." Now A Brazilian and others get right to the point and call me a black Nazi racist, ignorant
and clueless among other insults. I think you need to hurl invective at me that has more force than "little man"
in order to convince me you are a dude. Maybe you are a female student or teacher in Brazil, but something here
doesn't add up. About the only woman in the USA I know of who uses words like a man is Ann Coulter, but she is rare.
So what gives? If you are a gal, fess up.
Also
written by The American Historian, February 23, 2007
Women of course are much more wordy in their responses when they argue--a quality you seem to display above.
You seem more like a school teacher eager to teach Bo lessons in certain subjects--more of a motherly or
nurturing quality. Just call him some names and then if you feel like it, move on.
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-23 12:53:33

Ah... here is what I pulled up on answers.com.

Apparently U.S. forces did move into Southern Iraq. However, essentially in military terms, that was nothing more than a raid. Properly speaking, so far as I understand it, invasions generally are followed with occupation. Raids rather, are followed by retreat out of territory invaded.



So now you're going to try and weasel your way out of this one with semantics n'eh??

You said we didn't invade, invade does not mean OCCUPY, I already posted the definition of the word "invade", do you need it again. We not only INVADED through the AIR, but we also INVADED on the GROUND! How is it possible for two countries to have a war without either of them invading the other?? Unless they're having a war on territory that is foreign to them both but still one invades the others when they "attack" the other in their given location.

E, you're 100% full of BESTEIRA!
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
bo, many terms can suggest many different meanings. While the dictionary is useful, it is in proper use meant to give definition of words in their popular usage, it the function of the dictionary is not tell what something is - this is why so many slang words make their way into the English dictionary yearly - because the dictionary tells somethings popular usage and not what it essentially is.

When military forces utilize raids they do not seek regime change or what Clausewitz would refer to as the overthrow of the status quo, however, invasions generally do seek the overthrow of the stats quo. Take both the Iraqi and U.S. invasion of Kuwait, both intended the overthrow of the status quo, even the purpose of the Second Gulf War was for the purpose of the overthrow of a regime or status quo. U.S. forces into Southern Iraq in the first Gulf War in my eyes must not have had more intent on the status quo in Iraq other than for the essential purpose of raid. From my perspective, that is as I was out at sea, I understood the U.S. objective to be to take back Kuwait from the Iraqis - the purpose of my ship to be to provide support in the war. Of course somethings I knew and know, and other things I did not know and I still don't know. But that is war (not to mention life), amongst other things like sleep deprivation it is essentially to follow orders, and to know nothing yet still be operational. For someone like a General war is probably seen and understood from a different point of view (to use a literary sense of that word) than that of a low ranking enlisted. Likewise the low ranking enlisted who moves at a moment notice, without privilege of knowing what exactly is going on (accept for the immediacy of the events and objectives given), has a different point of view on warfare than from the person that sits back home viewing televised images of it. It might also be worth noting that news reports attempt to disseminate news, that is information of events or subject, within what they refer to as "logical order." In war dissemination of information is much, much, different, troops are generally given what information is deemed they need to know to perform their specific objective, up to day highlights are not normal daily procedures. Information in war for troops is handed down for the purpose of function, in contrast to news media that shoots information into the homes of civilians for the purpose of intrigue.



Well ya know something E, for someone who participated in that war, you need to alert the WORLDWIDE news media about YOUR definition of the word "INVADE", because EVERY news media in the WORLD used that world in regards to the air attacks, "air invasion", and attacks by land, "land invasion"!!

Matter of fact is was nightly discussion for months upon months in the U.S. media about whether or not we were going to implement a land invasion!
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written by bo, February 23, 2007
For someone like a General war is probably seen and understood from a different point of view (to use a literary sense of that word) than that of a low ranking enlisted. Likewise the low ranking enlisted who moves at a moment notice, without privilege of knowing what exactly is going on (accept for the immediacy of the events and objectives given), has a different point of view on warfare than from the person that sits back home viewing televised images of it. It might also be worth noting that news reports attempt to disseminate news, that is information of events or subject, within what they refer to as "logical order." In war dissemination of information is much, much, different, troops are generally given what information is deemed they need to know to perform their specific objective, up to day highlights are not normal daily procedures. Information in war for troops is handed down for the purpose of function, in contrast to news media that shoots information into the homes of civilians for the purpose of intrigue.



Well that's all well and good. But now my question is, and I think I already know the answer, but, have you been in a f**king coma for the last decade and a half?

I mean, it's a valid f**king question for an idiot that was "supposedly" in the military but had no idea that we conducted a ground invasion, or an air invasion for that matter.

Legitimacy of the 2003 INVASION of Iraq
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A London protest against the 2003 Iraq invasion
A London protest against the 2003 Iraq invasion

See also: Views on the 2003 INVASION of Iraq and Opposition to the 2003 Iraq War


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq
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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
Ah. Nothing like signing in for my daily dose of spleen from Bo!

Regarding Iraqi deaths, Icasualties.org reports 16590 Iraqi deaths since June 7th, 2006 and claims that 1) this is an incomplete estimate and 2) these are directly war related deaths, not deaths due to criminal activity, which are much higher.

According to Bodycount.com, the number of deaths due to direct military activities over the last few years has been anywhere from 57,000 to 63,000 - again, this is direct war related deaths. According to this same site, the IBC is announcing over 300 violent deaths every few days.

The highly regarded British Medical journal, Lancet, which can hardly be considered an anti-American mouthpiece, has estimated that there has been some 600,000 Iraqi deaths since the start of the war. Now, Lancet's estimate is almost certainly too high, but every information site out there (with the exception of those fully controlled by the U.S. government and its true-blue allies in the media) claims that the "official" report of 50,000 deaths is FAR too low.

It must be remembered that the official numbers are based (in the case of the IBC) on returns from the central Baghdad morgue - this in a country where almost all public services have gone into collapse. But even if we take the IBC's count of 36 dead per day in 2006, this totals to 50 dead per 100k pop per year as the country wide average. Again, these are "official" numbers released by the occupying authorities who have every political interest in the world to downplay civilian deaths, based upon returns to the Baghdad morgue in a country whose public service infrastructure has gone into terminal collapse.

In other words, only an American ideologue would accept these numbers as real.

The Lancet's result of 600,000 comes from a wide-ranging household study. It checks deaths confirmed by household members vs. deaths registered with the occupying authorities. Based on this data, it concludes that only 1 in every 12 violent deaths in Iraq os actually being reported as "official". Now, again, the Lancet's study count is probably high - perhaps by as much as a factor of 100% - but even so, it's based on much more solid in-field data than anything provided by the occupational authorities. Furthermore, it was conducted by a medical group which has no known political stance and no reason in the world to be anti-American.

In his recent book, "The Occupation", Patrick c**kburn, pretty much the only western journalist now working in Iraq who's not embedded in a U.S. or British military unit, had this to say about violent deaths in the country....

"Even on a quite day, as many as 40 bodies might turn up in Baghdad's morgue [the source of close to 75% of the "official" body count]... It was some indication of the level of killings that when fifty bodies, all of people who had been murdered, washed up on the banks of the Tigris south of Baghdad [on one day] in the spring of 2005, nobosy quite knew who they were or why they had been killed. Local doctors, inurred to the high death toll after several years of war, were suprised by the fuss and pointed out that as the waters of the Tigris warmed under the summer sun, the bodies of those killed during the winter were rising to the surface."

In this single event, then, on one spring day in Southern Iraq, more bodies were "delivered" than arrived at the Baghdad morgue. The doctors at the morgue, who know far more about this than any of us here, were not at all suprised by this as they know full well that they only see a fraction of the deaths.

So what it comes down to, I guess, is whether or not one is a tru-blue American believer. If one is like Bo, believing every word that comes out of President Bushes' mouth as gospel, then there's nothing to worry about in Iraq. But one doesn't need to be "anti-American" to observe that the American government has been caught red-handed lying about its war in Iraq since almost before operations began. It thus seems to me to be the conclusion of a reasonable and objective person that the 50k death toll is far too low and that the real toll - as the Lancet study indicates - is much, much higher than that.



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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
"Now the brazilian numbers came from the state secretariats offices of each state. If you want confirmation, get it yourself!"

I have looked for confirmation and can find nothing. What I have found is one JB article quoting Marcelo, from which Brazzil.com quotes, from which you quote. All info on the Brazilian internet regarding this study says that it is currently being UNDERTAKEN, not that it is prepared and ready to go. It looks to me like a typical case of a JB reporter quoting data far out of context. This, perhaps, is why the story didn't get reported. The only other people who report it are news sources which are connected to JB. My guess is that when other newspapers went in to confirm, they found out the JB journalist's error. This happens quite alot in Brazil.

I will be quite interested to see the results of Marcelo's survey when they come out this year, however. It looks like a serious attempt to really come to grips with the numbers of violence in Brazil. Given the political nature of this debate, however, we're going to have to carefully scrutinize his methodology before we can say anything for certain.

"Tell me this, you sound like someone that because you speak the language here you think that you know better than most!!"

Nope. I know better than most because I read, write and engage with my colleagues in the language and my colleagues happen to be the people who are producing the data that you are quoting, third hand, from a two paragraph newspaper report you dredged up on the internet. Knowing how to ask a waiter for a beer in Portuguese doesn't give you in-depth knowledge of this country Bo, nor does reading 2 paragraph blurbs in the daily papers, as much as this might come as a shock to you. smilies/cheesy.gif


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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
"Tell me something, completely off topic here. But I'd bet a dollar to a donut that you're about 5 foot 8, 160 lbs soaking wet, absolutely sucked at sports, and buried your head in books since an early age in an attempt to compensate for your shortcomings of being "accepted" amongst your peers, and got your ass kicked on a regular basis while growing up, sound familiar? "

Oh, wow. How wounding, Bo. smilies/cheesy.gif

That sounds about as familiar as you being 260lbs dry, an ex-weight lifting piece of hill-billy trash whose pecs have now slipped down into his belly and who's now dealing with the after effects of steroid abuse (which explains your winning personality), who came to Brazil looking to get laid because he couldn't find any women desperate enough to take him on back in the U.S. and who needs to move his lips when reading - in English. smilies/cheesy.gif

All I can say, Bodie, is that given those two stereotypes, the first at least recommends me as having an informed opinion while the second recommends you as simple moron pining for his high-school sports glory days.

What's next, Bo? You gonna threaten to beat me up at recess or what? smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
Jokes
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
I have no jokes about dead children for your delight right now, Bo. But in honor of your probable ethnic background, I have the following (rest assured that as soon as I have some dead redneck baby jokes to hand, you'll be hearing them)...


40 Things You'll Never Hear Bo Say

40. Oh I just couldn't. Hell, she's only sixteen.
39. I'll take Shakespeare for 1000, Alex.
38. Duct tape won't fix that.
37. Lisa Marie was lucky to catch Michael.
36. Come to think of it, I'll have a Heineken.
35. We don't keep firearms in this house.
34. Has anybody seen the sideburns trimmer?
33. You can't feed that to the dog.
32. I thought Graceland was tacky.
31. No kids in the back of the pickup, it's just not safe.
30. Wrasslin's fake.
29. Honey, did you mail that donation to Greenpeace?
28. We're vegetarians.
27. Do you think my gut is too big?
26. I'll have grapefruit and grapes instead of biscuits and gravy.
25. Honey, we don't need another dog.
24. Who's Richard Petty?
23. Give me the small bag of pork rinds.
22. Too many deer heads detract from the decor.
21. Spittin is such a nasty habit.
20. I just couldn't find a thing at Walmart today.
19. Trim the fat off that steak.
18. Cappuccino tastes better than espresso.
17. The tires on that truck are too big.
16. I'll have the arugula and radicchio salad.
15. I've got it all on the C drive.
14. Unsweetened tea tastes better.
13. Would you like your salmon poached or broiled?
12. My fiance, Bobbie Jo, is registered at Tiffany's.
11. I've got two cases of Zima for the Super Bowl.
10. Little Debbie snack cakes have too many fat grams.
09. Checkmate.
08. She's too young to be wearing a bikini.
07. Does the salad bar have bean sprouts?
06. Hey, here's an episode of "Hee Haw" that we haven't seen.
05. I don't have a favorite college team.
04. Be sure to bring my salad dressing on the side.
03. I believe you cooked those green beans too long.
02. Those shorts ought to be a little longer, Darla.
01. Nope, no more for me. I'm drivin tonight


'Nother joke
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
But here's an appropriate child brutality joke to warm the cackles of Bo's steroid-stressed heart. Brazilians should really like this one...

George W. was out jogging one morning along the parkway when he tripped, fell over the bridge railing and landed in the creek below.

Before the Secret Service guys could get to him, three kids, who were fishing, pulled him out of the water. He was so grateful he offered the kids whatever they wanted.

The first kid said, "I want to go to Disneyland."

George said, "No problem. I'll take you there on Air Force One".

The second kid said, "I want a new pair of Nike Air Jordan's."

George said, "I'll get them for you and even have Michael sign them!"

The third kid said, "I want a motorized wheelchair with a built-in TV and stereo headset!!"

Bush is a little perplexed by this and says, "But you don't look like you are handicapped."

The kid says, "I will be after my dad finds out I saved your ass from drowning!"
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
E Harmony and Bo
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-23 14:59:24

I have done some research on the different writing styles of men and women and if you are not a woman E Harmony, you
are probably an older male--possibly gay--but you do not have the same perspective or writing style as me, Bo or Ric or A Brazilain. Your way
of arguing and choice of words seems more typical of a woman though of course there are always exceptions. Look at how you
insulted me by calling me a "little man." Now A Brazilian and others get right to the point and call me a black Nazi racist, ignorant
and clueless among other insults. I think you need to hurl invective at me that has more force than "little man"
in order to convince me you are a dude. Maybe you are a female student or teacher in Brazil, but something here
doesn't add up. About the only woman in the USA I know of who uses words like a man is Ann Coulter, but she is rare.
So what gives? If you are a gal, fess up.


Am I dealing with adults here or teenage boys? Referencing me to being a woman or "gay" is suppose to imply what? That I lack either qualities applicable to the "Virgin Queen" Elizabeth or that of a Spartan? You are a little man - not because I make you so but because your rebuttals prove you so.

Flaws do not bother me so much, because I have flaws, I have flaws that I have not overcome and I have flaws that I have overcome. I actually prefer people who accept and acknowledge their flaws, because this is human, this is the real grit of life. What I do not care for is people that project themselves in comic book character, or Hollywood image, like super man or John Wayne et cetera. Alexander the Great, Samurai culture (very bisexual), Da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, to Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich (spelling?) are real people in the real grit of life - which means having talents and flaws. Lincoln perhaps the greatest President of the United States that led the U.S. through a time of great turmoil, and progress with the transcontinental railroad, was perhaps actively bisexual. Certainly he had an intimate relation with a military captain (not General) with whom he enjoyed sharing his bed with whenever his wife was away (no , he was no longer out in the log cabins).

I hope your arguments don't rest upon childish arguments like "e harmony writes like a girl" or "e harmony writes like a homosexual." Granted, I could understand it in a comical sense if one was attempting humor, but come on... as a real argument used as an objection smilies/cheesy.gif?
E mais uma...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
Infelizmente, o Bubba não vai entender essa - sem a intervenção da Maria, é claro! smilies/cheesy.gif

American Historian and Bubba: in the closet?
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
It's a well known psychological fact that men who are obsessed with other men's supposed homosexuality are, more often than not, repressed homosexuals themselves.

So you gotta wonder...
And while E-Harmony...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, February 23, 2007
...may indeed "write like a girl" (whatever the hell that means), I lay dollars to donuts that Bubba, like most good ol' boyz, has bigger tits than his wife.
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written by e harmony, February 23, 2007
Also
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-23 15:07:23

Women of course are much more wordy in their responses when they argue--a quality you seem to display above.
You seem more like a school teacher eager to teach Bo lessons in certain subjects--more of a motherly or
nurturing quality. Just call him some names and then if you feel like it, move on.


@ bold: smilies/grin.gif Excellent.

Anyways, TAH... how many times can you call me a girl or homosexual or "motherly" before it bothers me or you look more and more foolish? smilies/grin.gif
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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-23 15:49:57

For someone like a General war is probably seen and understood from a different point of view (to use a literary sense of that word) than that of a low ranking enlisted. Likewise the low ranking enlisted who moves at a moment notice, without privilege of knowing what exactly is going on (accept for the immediacy of the events and objectives given), has a different point of view on warfare than from the person that sits back home viewing televised images of it. It might also be worth noting that news reports attempt to disseminate news, that is information of events or subject, within what they refer to as "logical order." In war dissemination of information is much, much, different, troops are generally given what information is deemed they need to know to perform their specific objective, up to day highlights are not normal daily procedures. Information in war for troops is handed down for the purpose of function, in contrast to news media that shoots information into the homes of civilians for the purpose of intrigue.




Well that's all well and good. But now my question is, and I think I already know the answer, but, have you been in a f**king coma for the last decade and a half?

I mean, it's a valid f**king question for an idiot that was "supposedly" in the military but had no idea that we conducted a ground invasion, or an air invasion for that matter.

Legitimacy of the 2003 INVASION of Iraq
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Bo, I indeed did state we did not invade Iraq. In the sense that we crossed over into sovereign Iraqi land, yes we did invade I was wrong, and I stand corrected. But within the military arts of combat which would differentiate raid from invasion - at least within the sense I gave - ultimately within effect we never invaded Iraq until the second Gulf War. Principle purpose of the first Gulf War was to push the Iraqis out of Kuwait - large raiding into Souther Iraq would not have overthrown the status quo in either Kuwait or Iraq.

You refuse to distinguish between the actual invasion of Iraq in the second Gulf War and the large scale raid into Southern Iraqi territory in the first Gulf War because lack an appreciation for military craft, don't understand combat, and believe factoids you see on tv qualify you as some armchair General. I can also tell you believe the entire theater of warfare is like the area covered in Cleveland. From watching it on tv it may seem that way, but believe me, one ship can not provide fire support for an entire war that is the size and degree of either the first or second Gulf War. You keep harping about common knowledge, what you know of the Gulf War combat, and about this vague "going in on the ground" as you call it. Yet, there are basic elements of warfare you seem to not to understand, not how they were even tied into the first Gulf War. One basic principle in war is - or at least what is taught - is that you do not control land without ground troops physically taking it. Now, I stated I was stationed aboard a ship and that my ship provided fire support, implicit within that is support to ground troops, given the fact that the United States and her allies so dominated the air and sea in the war. You will no doubt fail to comprehend what I am trying to communicate to you as you only understand combat in terms of "logical order" information given by newses sources (as opposed to chronological order information. "logical order" presents main points of news interests first in concise manner). Unlike you may believe or assume, when "General Quarters" goes down aboard ship listing all highlights, theories, strategies, stories or intrigues going on every area of the wars theater does not occur. This does not happen for ground troops either - information they are given (bottom ranks enlisted that is), is what is believed needed for them to perform and accomplish their mission, no more, no less.

As for me not knowing, perhaps that is bad, perhaps it is not, either way the first Gulf War has not interested me enough to read much of anything on it. I have read a book on some Recon Marines invasion of Iraq in this second Gulf War (the book "Generation Kill"), I have also read on military battles and subject matter dealing with ancient times to more modern times, because these things have interested me far more than the first Gulf War I participated in. It's pretty much as simple as that.
E Harmony
written by The American Historian, February 24, 2007
There is nothing WRONG with your writing style, even if you are a straight guy, I am simply trying to figure you out my man
and some of the comments you have made over these weeks. If you were not who you say you are (an American-based bi-racial
man) then I thought that might explain some of your perspectives. Some folks probably think my writing style is rather harsh
and accusatory against Brazilians and others, but that is because I come from the world of lawyers, the military
and a few political campaigns where folks pay me to be that way. Now my own parents grew up in the 1950's and 60's
in segregated midwestern towns like you did, and they and their siblings do not have the perspectives you have.

And Thaddeus Blanchette, is that your real name? It sounds like something out of "Gone With the Wind." Will Rhett, Ashley
and Melanie be coming over for dinner on Sunday? If so, I'll tell Mammy and Prissy to fix a good meal. Thaddeus Blanchette?
Give me a break.

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written by bo, February 24, 2007
...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-23 17:29:13

"Now the brazilian numbers came from the state secretariats offices of each state. If you want confirmation, get it yourself!"

I have looked for confirmation and can find nothing. What I have found is one JB article quoting Marcelo, from which Brazzil.com quotes, from which you quote. All info on the Brazilian internet regarding this study says that it is currently being UNDERTAKEN, not that it is prepared and ready to go. It looks to me like a typical case of a JB reporter quoting data far out of context. This, perhaps, is why the story didn't get reported. The only other people who report it are news sources which are connected to JB. My guess is that when other newspapers went in to confirm, they found out the JB journalist's error. This happens quite alot in Brazil.



This wasn't just a brazilian rag that ran with this story, it was Reuters, CNN, BBC, and many others. It came out originially in september of 2006, and could be found on respected news information sites all over.
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written by bo, February 24, 2007
Nope. I know better than most because I read, write and engage with my colleagues in the language and my colleagues happen to be the people who are producing the data that you are quoting, third hand, from a two paragraph newspaper report you dredged up on the internet. Knowing how to ask a waiter for a beer in Portuguese doesn't give you in-depth knowledge of this country Bo, nor does reading 2 paragraph blurbs in the daily papers, as much as this might come as a shock to you. smilies/cheesy.gif



LOL...quite capable, and read quite consistantly, reports from Brazilian NGO' and other groups devoted to social issues on brazil. Matter of fact just read a quite comprehensive report in portuguese done by a brazilian NGO just completed at the end of 2005 concerning slave labor in brazil. But thanks for your concern, I do quite well in reading and speaking portuguese.
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written by bo, February 24, 2007
...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-23 17:30:22

"Tell me something, completely off topic here. But I'd bet a dollar to a donut that you're about 5 foot 8, 160 lbs soaking wet, absolutely sucked at sports, and buried your head in books since an early age in an attempt to compensate for your shortcomings of being "accepted" amongst your peers, and got your ass kicked on a regular basis while growing up, sound familiar? "

Oh, wow. How wounding, Bo. smilies/cheesy.gif

That sounds about as familiar as you being 260lbs dry, an ex-weight lifting piece of hill-billy trash whose pecs have now slipped down into his belly and who's now dealing with the after effects of steroid abuse (which explains your winning personality), who came to Brazil looking to get laid because he couldn't find any women desperate enough to take him on back in the U.S. and who needs to move his lips when reading - in English. smilies/cheesy.gif

All I can say, Bodie, is that given those two stereotypes, the first at least recommends me as having an informed opinion while the second recommends you as simple moron pining for his high-school sports glory days.

What's next, Bo? You gonna threaten to beat me up at recess or what?


Thad buddy, at least I'm not still trying to shake off the trauma from 25 yrs. ago off getting my ass whipped in elementary school consistantly and compensate for my physical shortcomings and lack of being accepted by attempting to intellectually beat people into the ground in an attempt to make myself feel better. I'd never threaten to beat you up, it'd be like hitting the handicapped.

As for your joke about not having sex with 16 yr olds, you should team up with your bud e harmony, he's a self admitted statutory rapist that has a thing for tranny's, and hey, you like to make fun of murdered children, you two would hit it off wonderfully!
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written by bo, February 24, 2007
And while E-Harmony...
written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-23 18:32:45

...may indeed "write like a girl" (whatever the hell that means), I lay dollars to donuts that Bubba, like most good ol' boyz, has bigger tits than his wife.



LOL...well, how many dollars do you got??? You need to see my wife!!! She's quite endowed!!! But since you're so curious, I'm happy to state, that I've kept my weighlifting physique quite nicely in tact over the last 15 years, thank you very much.
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written by bo, February 24, 2007
Bo, I indeed did state we did not invade Iraq. In the sense that we crossed over into sovereign Iraqi land, yes we did invade I was wrong, and I stand corrected.



Well, at least you've admitted, for the 3rd time I believe now, that you've made errors, at least I have to give you that much. I don't think you're brazilian any longer, as that behavior is not in their intellectual/emotional makeup(see A brazilian).

It's just a shame that afterwards you have to come back with an attempt at a justification. We invaded Iraq, in the first gulf war and in this one, on the ground, and through the air.....period.

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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
Not Rio de Janeiro nor even in the country of Brazil - a young woman 8 month pregnant is gunned down at noon time on a busy street - in a neighborhood predominately Latino, but with many white, blacks, and Asians living in it too. She was gunned down as she ran.

The story reads in much easier format through the link rather than in the quote box I provide. The highlight in bold is mine. Notice the swift speed of U.S. paramedics - those guys and gals are phenomenal even though they don't get much respected attention in news or media.

http://www2.jsonline.com/story...?id=569337

Excerpt.

Pregnant woman slain
Victim and boyfriend are shot on busy south side street
By GEORGIA PABST
gpabst@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Feb. 22, 2007

A pregnant 18-year-old woman was shot and killed at noon Thursday as she and her boyfriend walked along a busy commercial street on Milwaukee's south side. He was wounded in the attack but survived, police said.

The shootings took place at W. National Ave. and S. 19th St., a high-traffic crossroads surrounded by the Clarke Square shopping center, a gas station, a large auto-parts store and Phan's Garden, a Vietnamese restaurant. News of the slaying spread quickly and shocked the lunchtime crowd of shoppers, diners and passers-by in the area, where city officials announced an anti-crime video surveillance program last spring.

However, according to initial reports Thursday, the video surveillance camera closest to the shootings was not working.

Police said the victims, who live in the neighborhood, were walking north on S. 19th St. to the Pick 'n Save grocery store,1818 W. National Ave., when they were confronted by two males with guns. An argument ensued, and the male victim was pistol-whipped before the couple ran into traffic. Shots were fired, and at least one struck the woman as she was running away, said police Lt. William Jessup. The boyfriend was shot twice. He was hospitalized and is expected to recover, Jessup said. Police declined to identify either victim.

Police later confirmed the woman was eight months pregnant and the shooter could also be charged with the death of the fetus, according to department spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz. Jessup said police had not figured out a motive for the attack.

One witness said she tried to comfort the victims before paramedics arrived.

The witness, a 41-year-old woman, said she was leaving the Advanced Auto Parts store, 1920 W. National Ave., with a fuel-pressure regulator when she heard three shots, looked out and saw the female victim fall to the street in the crosswalk, get up and then fall again. The witness said she didn't want her name used because she fears the shooting is gang-related.

She said she tried to dial 911 but couldn't get through and noticed several other people calling. Someone finally got through and was told that units had already been sent.
She said the victim's boyfriend yelled out to her.

"He said, 'Could you please help me keep her head up so she doesn't choke on her blood?' " the woman said. She said he told her the woman had been shot in the abdomen and was eight months pregnant. The man was shot in his left forearm, the witness said.

She said the woman's head was bleeding and that she held her head up until an ambulance arrived in less than five minutes. The witness said the man did not say what had happened, but he was crying and concerned the young woman would die.

Ald. Bob Donovan, whose district starts a block away from the shooting site, came to the scene after he heard of the shooting while having lunch on Mitchell St. He said city sanitation workers who were driving west on National Ave. saw the woman go down and tried to help. They pulled their yellow garbage truck up to the scene and helped block traffic.


http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/feb07/shoot022307.jpg
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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
written by e harmony, 2007-02-23 23:29:28

Not Rio de Janeiro nor even in the country of Brazil - a young woman 8 month pregnant is gunned down at noon time on a busy street - in a neighborhood predominately Latino, but with many white, blacks, and Asians living in it too. She was gunned down as she ran.

The story reads in much easier format through the link rather than in the quote box I provide. The highlight in bold is mine. Notice the swift speed of U.S. paramedics - those guys and gals are phenomenal even though they don't get much respected attention in news or media.

http://www2.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569337


I should point out it is doubtful the shooters will be killed in jail - possibly one or both of them might be killed on the street in retaliation from the victims families, associates, or homeboys - but basically this will just be absorbed into the city's society and people will go on like normal - myself included. Of course the white male Jeffery Dhamer (sp?) was killed in prison by a black male inmate, after having eaten (cannibalism) a number of black (maybe even Asian) men he had murdered. Although, gangster murdering children or infants in the U.S. usually does not result in inmate killing. Being a pedophile is another matter - but gunning down a child in armed robbery or while attempting a homicide of another adult is more acceptable in U.S. urban culture and even prison systems.
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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
E Harmony
written by The American Historian, 2007-02-23 19:32:42

There is nothing WRONG with your writing style, even if you are a straight guy, I am simply trying to figure you out my man
and some of the comments you have made over these weeks. If you were not who you say you are (an American-based bi-racial
man) then I thought that might explain some of your perspectives. Some folks probably think my writing style is rather harsh
and accusatory against Brazilians and others, but that is because I come from the world of lawyers, the military
and a few political campaigns where folks pay me to be that way. Now my own parents grew up in the 1950's and 60's
in segregated midwestern towns like you did, and they and their siblings do not have the perspectives you have.


I post on mixedfolks.com under another handle, on both this board and mixedfolks.com I let folks know I post on both. I bring it up because unlike on here, I have spoken on the phone a number of times with a few persons from mixedfolks.com. Point being: my male sex and or gender - can be trailed - unless that is I fake a male voice and American (USA) accent well. My voice is probably slightly deeper than most male voices - or at least a few men and women seem to think this.
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written by bo, February 24, 2007
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written by bo, 2007-02-23 19:52:00

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written by Thaddeus Blanchette, 2007-02-23 17:29:13

"Now the brazilian numbers came from the state secretariats offices of each state. If you want confirmation, get it yourself!"

I have looked for confirmation and can find nothing. What I have found is one JB article quoting Marcelo, from which Brazzil.com quotes, from which you quote. All info on the Brazilian internet regarding this study says that it is currently being UNDERTAKEN, not that it is prepared and ready to go. It looks to me like a typical case of a JB reporter quoting data far out of context. This, perhaps, is why the story didn't get reported. The only other people who report it are news sources which are connected to JB. My guess is that when other newspapers went in to confirm, they found out the JB journalist's error. This happens quite alot in Brazil.




This wasn't just a brazilian rag that ran with this story, it was Reuters, CNN, BBC, and many others. It came out originially in september of 2006, and could be found on respected news information sites all over.



Here is the reuters..

BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said on Monday.

Some 55,000 Brazilians died of homicide in 2005 -- a few thousand more civilians than in three years of war in Iraq, according to leading estimates.

Brazil, a continent-sized nation of 185 million people starkly divided into rich and poor, has had notoriously high crime rates for years. Millions of poor live in urban slums and unpoliced rural areas where guns are easy to come by.

Though the murder rate is high, Marcelo Durante, coordinator of the Justice Ministry's report, said homicides have fallen slowly in recent years thanks in part to an initiative to collect guns from the streets.

Citizens have voluntarily turned in thousands of weapons in places like Rio de Janeiro, the famous beachside city whose urban slums have some of the highest crime rates in Brazil.

A referendum in 2005 to ban gun sales failed, in part because some voters had lost faith in police.

"It was the states that collected the most guns that saw crime rates fall most," said Durante, "but we have to remember it's not just about guns."

Other kinds of violent crime in Brazil are far more common than statistics show, Durante said, adding that urban surveys suggest only a quarter of all robberies and 15 percent of all rapes are reported nationwide.

"At least with homicide, we can be a little more confident most of the crimes are getting reported," he said.

Murders also declined in Brazil's largest city of Sao Paulo in recent years, Durante said. Earlier this year, however, a gang known as First Command of the Capital launched a series of attacks on police, banks and buses in which about 200 police, gangsters and innocent civilians were killed.


There were numerous others, but most sites don't keep stories up for 6 months.
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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
R.I.P. (Rest In Peace) to this you lady. I hope they catch who murdered her and her child. The TMJ4 video that can be viewed through the link, interviews her boyfriend and father of her child, the end is rather emotional and moving. Unlike bo may think and attempt to project, murder and tragedy hurts no less the human being in the United States than it does in Brazil. Even behind numbers are human faces and life stories - not just numbers for ideological banter.

Eternal Rest.



http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569807
Excerpt.

So it was with shock, grief and tears that many learned that Mersman was the 18-year-old shot and killed in the busy intersection of S.19th St. and W. National Ave. during the lunch hour Thursday.
According to police, Mersman and her 19-year-old boyfriend were approached by two males. An argument ensued and as the couple ran, shots were fired. Mersman and her fetus died. Her boyfriend was wounded and remains hospitalized. Police said they think the attack was gang-related, and were seeking two suspects.

"Nobody deserves to die that way," said Debbie Davis, a counselor at The Lemonade Stand, a group home on the city's west side where Mersman lived from August 2005 until May 2006.
Davis said Mersman talked of becoming a model and fashion designer. "She was a great artist and could draw and create things. And she cared a lot about her (birth) family. Her mother lived in Chicago."
Davis said that, although Mersman visited regularly, she knew only that Mersman was living on the south side, and didn't know much about her boyfriend.

Pamela McNealy, the home's director, said when Mersman arrived, she had been on the run for about two years from the foster family that had adopted her. "She had never attended high school when she came to us," McNealy said.

At the Lemonade Stand, Mersman took part in a nurturing program, daily living skills classes, job readiness and anger management classes, said McNealy. Mersman started attending Spotted Eagle, 3134 W. State St., and became a role model for other teens at the group home, she said.

"She was not just another statistic who died in the street," McNealy said. "I want people to know she was a beautiful young person who, unfortunately, was not able to reach her fullest potential, but was on her way to doing so."

Gollin, a math teacher at Spotted Eagle, an American Indian-centered school, called Mersman a "really good student." Part Puerto Rican and part American Indian, Mersman loved to participate in drumming and sang beautifully, said Gollin, and was enrolled in the school's GED program.

Friday, staff announced Mersman's death and called those who had been her fellow students who came to the school to grieve. "She basically raised herself," said lead teacher Melissa Menge. "She was part of the Spotted Eagle family and will always be," she said with tears. "We will miss her. She was a special kid . . . a shining star."


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written by bo, February 24, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-24 12:30:20

R.I.P. (Rest In Peace) to this you lady. I hope they catch who murdered her and her child. The TMJ4 video that can be viewed through the link, interviews her boyfriend and father of her child, the end is rather emotional and moving. Unlike bo may think and attempt to project, murder and tragedy hurts no less the human being in the United States than it does in Brazil. Even behind numbers are human faces and life stories - not just numbers for ideological banter.


Now that does piss me off, how in the f**k have I "projected" that murder and tragedy doesn't hurt the SAME in ANY part of the world???


You f**king liar. But nothing new, you've already admitted to at least 3!


My point from the beginning has been that BRAZIL is a MUCH more violent country than the United States!!! But YOU, and your alter-ego's(why do you want to know), has continued to post stories like the one above. Tell me, why is it that you do that when comparing the murder rates of one country to another??

Do you think that people don't know that murder exists in the U.S.???

Are you that f**king ignorant?

Brazil is a much more violent country than the U.S.and in terms of murder to the tune of 7X moreso!!!


So when you finally do travel to brazil e harmony, and you run into these brazilians that when they find out you're american, they'll make it a point to tell you...."ohhh, here in brazil we are a "peaceful" people, we don't go to war, not like you americans".

Like they're a "peaceful loving" bunch of folk!

Yeah, ok, justify a murder rate 7X more than the country you talk s**t about!
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written by e harmony, February 24, 2007
Frequently using exclamation marks bo, upper-casing words to simulate screaming, and making a pattern out of placing two, three, four, or six or more exclamation marks at the end of a sentence, does not make your propositions more true. A question mark is a question mark, and exclamation mark is an exclamation mark, the end of a sentence does not require three or four of them. Granted, I could understand if you did it only occasionally for added effect, after all this is not academic writing, but you seem to do this almost every post or at least in the majority of them. This leads one to believe you lack confidence in your ability to communicate within the normal grammatical limits of the English language and compensate by attempting to bully in your script.

The United States, claims to have the best medical training and trauma care in the world, this may very well be true. As I have reported else where - in other threads - it is estimated that the number of U.S. homicides would be 30,000 to 50,000 more annually if it were not for the advances in U.S. trauma care over the last 40 years. Because of this, it has been argued, that homicide numbers in the U.S. are no longer a accurate gauge for prevalence of violence within the U.S. today. In other words far more people are being shot or attacked in the U.S. than are dieing due to injuries from these attacks. Now, maybe Brazil is in general more violent, or maybe Brazil isn't, I don't know but what I do know is that if Brazil has less advanced trauma care available to all the public at large than the United States does in U.S. mainland territory, then this will contribute reasons for higher homicide numbers annually. On the other hand if pound for pound Brazil is equal to the United States in providing just as good technological and professional trauma care to all her citizens, then Brazil would indeed be more violent, but also astonishingly great as a civilization not accepted into the ranking of "high income nations" ("first world") to be providing as high quality advanced trauma care to victims of gun violence (or other violence) as the United States regardless of socio-income bracket.
IT´S WORSE IN THE STATES
written by Ric, February 24, 2007
After a man crashed his truck into a tree on Montana 35 near Bigfork, he was found puking in a nearby parking lot and was arrested by the Montana Highway Patrol.

To E Harm: YOU ARE SO RIGHT, JUSTIN!!!!!! WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS NONSENSE??????? BUT HOW CAN THE USA AND BRAZIL BE EQUAL POUND FOR POUND??????? AND WHY ARE SO MANY DOGS PUT TO SLEEP IN THE POUNDS IN THE STATES????? AND WHY DO SO MANY OLDER FOLKS THERE PREFER ALPO TO CORNED BEEF HASH????????? AND DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY MEXICAN DOGS FREELY CROSS THE BORDER IN PLACES LIKE CALEXICO AND BISBEE??????? DOESN´T ANYONE CARE?!?!?!?!?
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written by e harmony, February 25, 2007
IT´S WORSE IN THE STATES
written by Ric, 2007-02-24 18:51:35

After a man crashed his truck into a tree on Montana 35 near Bigfork, he was found puking in a nearby parking lot and was arrested by the Montana Highway Patrol.

To E Harm: YOU ARE SO RIGHT, JUSTIN!!!!!! WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS NONSENSE??????? BUT HOW CAN THE USA AND BRAZIL BE EQUAL POUND FOR POUND??????? AND WHY ARE SO MANY DOGS PUT TO SLEEP IN THE POUNDS IN THE STATES????? AND WHY DO SO MANY OLDER FOLKS THERE PREFER ALPO TO CORNED BEEF HASH????????? AND DID YOU KNOW THAT MANY MEXICAN DOGS FREELY CROSS THE BORDER IN PLACES LIKE CALEXICO AND BISBEE??????? DOESN´T ANYONE CARE?!?!?!?!?


Ric, whatever your IQ is is your business, I never attempted to make anyone feel inadequate.

That aside your faux intellectual attempt at wit is, I'm afraid to tell you my friend, very boring. You do go out of your way though to try and be clever and smart - I would wager you are and have been trying to copy the style of some author you became impressed with at some point, nothing wrong in that, but one of the two of you are not to good at whatever in the h*ll it is you both try doing. My guess it's you not doing to well at it. Hope I don't hurt your feelings with that.
Hope Not, E Harmony
written by Ric, February 25, 2007
Yes, that does hurt my feelings. Trying to think of an author I am trying to copy. Can´t think of one, seriously. But I have never claimed to have an high IQ. Although some of my my problems come from skipping a grade in elementary school. Really messed me up. You brought it up, not me. I don´t like to talk about myself.

It´s possible that you came up with this approach to see if you could pry down under there somewhere and find the right wire to clip, therefore shutting me up since I get on your nerves. I am an expert in getting on people´s nerves. Don´t mean that I am better than anyone else in that regard, tho. And I don´t mean that I try to get on your nerves. It just comes naturally. "What is that idiot Ric going to come up with and ruin my carefully worded post?"

But seriously, what about the border problem? We´ve heard about border collies, but these are mutts. Oops, there I go again. Like that Peter Sellers character that couldn´t put his arm down. Strangelove.

Above you call Bo a bully, criticize his punctuation, use of caps, say he has a lack of confidence. In a sentence above you state, "Being a pedophile is another matter-but gunning down a child in armed robbery or while attempting a homicide of another adult is more acceptable in a U.S. urban culture and even prison systems". I can´t even correct the syntax, let alone the content. It´s drivel. It came out of your mind. It would get a big red "?" in a test booklet. Clumsy, unsupported, unclear. Your mind is unorganized.

And now you have hurt my feelings. Shame on you.

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written by bo, February 25, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-24 18:12:17

Frequently using exclamation marks bo, upper-casing words to simulate screaming, and making a pattern out of placing two, three, four, or six or more exclamation marks at the end of a sentence, does not make your propositions more true. A question mark is a question mark, and exclamation mark is an exclamation mark, the end of a sentence does not require three or four of them. Granted, I could understand if you did it only occasionally for added effect, after all this is not academic writing, but you seem to do this almost every post or at least in the majority of them. This leads one to believe you lack confidence in your ability to communicate within the normal grammatical limits of the English language and compensate by attempting to bully in your script.

The United States, claims to have the best medical training and trauma care in the world, this may very well be true. As I have reported else where - in other threads - it is estimated that the number of U.S. homicides would be 30,000 to 50,000 more annually if it were not for the advances in U.S. trauma care over the last 40 years. Because of this, it has been argued, that homicide numbers in the U.S. are no longer a accurate gauge for prevalence of violence within the U.S. today. In other words far more people are being shot or attacked in the U.S. than are dieing due to injuries from these attacks. Now, maybe Brazil is in general more violent, or maybe Brazil isn't, I don't know but what I do know is that if Brazil has less advanced trauma care available to all the public at large than the United States does in U.S. mainland territory, then this will contribute reasons for higher homicide numbers annually. On the other hand if pound for pound Brazil is equal to the United States in providing just as good technological and professional trauma care to all her citizens, then Brazil would indeed be more violent, but also astonishingly great as a civilization not accepted into the ranking of "high income nations" ("first world") to be providing as high quality advanced trauma care to victims of gun violence (or other violence) as the United States regardless of socio-income bracket.


You didn't answer my question, completely side-stepped it. Instead you went on to question my ability to communicate and then you're old bulls**t of "trauma care" in the U.S. and brazil. I truly think this trauma care thing is hilarious. Could you give us something other than your own personal opinions, that include opinions on a country that you have NEVER stepped foot in, let alone been inside one of their hospitals? Could you show us some studies, some facts, on both places? I mean serioiusly E, the next thing you're going to say is that brazilians are better "shots" than americans, hence kill more effectively. Go to riobodycount.com, every month, without exception, you'll see NUMEROUS people wounded, it will say "Feridos" and have a number below it. So far this month, there have been 111 wounded just in Rio. Now I'll be willing to bet ya that numerous of those would have DIED if they didn't receive fast medical attention.

Not only are there 7X more murders in brazil on a per capita basis, but there are also NUMEROUS more attempted murders, that only stands to logic.

But let's get back to my previous post, how and where did I "atttempt to project that murder hurts no less in one part of the world than the other"? Just another statement straight out of your ass n'eh?
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written by bo, February 25, 2007
The United States, claims to have the best medical training and trauma care in the world, this may very well be true. As I have reported else where - in other threads - it is estimated that the number of U.S. homicides would be 30,000 to 50,000 more annually if it were not for the advances in U.S. trauma care over the last 40 years.


Over the last 40 years??? LOL!! Do you not think that brazil has the latest medical advanceements available??? And over the last 40 years??? You truly are crazy aren't ya E?

Tell me this, takeaway the medical advancements over the last 40 years here in brazil, what do you think the murder rate would be?? I mean, it's all bulls**t speculation, but they could possibly have 150 to 200K murdered a year, wouldn't ya think?
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written by Lynn, February 25, 2007
Did I read this article correctly? "Under Brazilian law the accused are likely to spend five and three years in jail respectively" No wonder Brazil is out of control...it is a culture of impunity. Monsters are free to drag children through the streets to the point of decapitation, admit that it was intentional, and face only 3-5 years in prison? US certainly has it's share of monsters, but at least they face a real consequence for their actions. Brazil is full of lovely people that realize they are getting screwed by the laws in their country. What I can't understand is why the people of a free country continue to choose a government that continually sets them up for this life. DO SOMETHING!!!!
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written by Ric, February 25, 2007
Sociologists have said that Brazilians are too willing to let others walk all over them because of corporate memories of the Inquisition. Now the government has in effect taken guns away from the honest citizens, and is trying to do the same with Bladed Weapons.
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written by e harmony, February 25, 2007
Hope Not, E Harmony
written by Ric, 2007-02-24 22:46:59

Yes, that does hurt my feelings. Trying to think of an author I am trying to copy. Can´t think of one, seriously. But I have never claimed to have an high IQ. Although some of my my problems come from skipping a grade in elementary school. Really messed me up. You brought it up, not me. I don´t like to talk about myself.

It´s possible that you came up with this approach to see if you could pry down under there somewhere and find the right wire to clip, therefore shutting me up since I get on your nerves. I am an expert in getting on people´s nerves. Don´t mean that I am better than anyone else in that regard, tho. And I don´t mean that I try to get on your nerves. It just comes naturally. "What is that idiot Ric going to come up with and ruin my carefully worded post?"

But seriously, what about the border problem? We´ve heard about border collies, but these are mutts. Oops, there I go again. Like that Peter Sellers character that couldn´t put his arm down. Strangelove.

Above you call Bo a bully, criticize his punctuation, use of caps, say he has a lack of confidence. In a sentence above you state, "Being a pedophile is another matter-but gunning down a child in armed robbery or while attempting a homicide of another adult is more acceptable in a U.S. urban culture and even prison systems". I can´t even correct the syntax, let alone the content. It´s drivel. It came out of your mind. It would get a big red "?" in a test booklet. Clumsy, unsupported, unclear. Your mind is unorganized.

And now you have hurt my feelings. Shame on you.


Interesting. Not sure any of my English teachers would agree with you, although they note I have areas of mechanics to overcome, I have yet to receive under an A as a final grade in any of my English courses, actually the greatest dishonor that has been heaped upon me in any of my English courses is to submit me into the honors program.

Ric, simple fact is you are not as clever as you hope to be, your writing and comments shows someone that is of average intelligence but attempts to pass as some intellectual that uses sarcasm and wit. Point blank your sarcastic comments are boring and dry - if you wish to be a comedian then go and study Richard Pryor (sp?) or someone. I'm not even in 300 level courses yet and I can tell what a hack you are. With regard to bo, basic English praxis is to not utilize two, three, four or more exclamation marks or question marks at the end of a sentence. Doing so, and I have read this from a far better writer than myself (published author also), implies that you lack confidence in your ability to communicate with a reader.

Ric, I hazard to guess your mind is much more unorganized than mine, not to mention incorporating much more ethical dishonesty than mine. One great attribute of real learning is that one can apply and interrelate various subjects of study with one another. Hence one needs a mind orderly enough that they can think abstract and "outside of the box." Now I'm no genius, but I don't believe you to be able to think that abstractly, I don't think you're stupid, just a person of average intelligence, which is perfectly ok, but I don't see you as an "intellectual" you like to project yourself as. I also don't trust you - which I'm sure makes me wise if nothing else. Bye, bye now.
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written by e harmony, February 26, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-25 07:06:05

You didn't answer my question, completely side-stepped it. Instead you went on to question my ability to communicate and then you're old bulls**t of "trauma care" in the U.S. and brazil. I truly think this trauma care thing is hilarious. Could you give us something other than your own personal opinions, that include opinions on a country that you have NEVER stepped foot in, let alone been inside one of their hospitals? Could you show us some studies, some facts, on both places? I mean serioiusly E, the next thing you're going to say is that brazilians are better "shots" than americans, hence kill more effectively. Go to riobodycount.com, every month, without exception, you'll see NUMEROUS people wounded, it will say "Feridos" and have a number below it. So far this month, there have been 111 wounded just in Rio. Now I'll be willing to bet ya that numerous of those would have DIED if they didn't receive fast medical attention.

Not only are there 7X more murders in brazil on a per capita basis, but there are also NUMEROUS more attempted murders, that only stands to logic.

But let's get back to my previous post, how and where did I "atttempt to project that murder hurts no less in one part of the world than the other"? Just another statement straight out of your ass n'eh?


bo, I've already posted the article in another thread regarding the effects of U.S. advanced trauma care in reducing the annual U.S. homicide numbers by 30,000 to 50,000 less. You either accept that or you don't. Regarding your comment I highlighted in bold, I'm quite sure their are attempted homicides in Brazil and those that survive gun shot wounds. But what is the percentage that survive gun shot wounds in Brazilian trauma care? I don't know. Perhaps Brazil has a 95% success rate or perhaps they have a 5% success rate. I can not answer that because I don't know. However, according to the U.S. news article I presented the United States has made such great advancements within the U.S. in trauma care that the U.S. annual homicide total is reduced by 30,000 to 50,000 less than it would be. Your rebuttal essentially is that the same number or more are saved annually in Brazilian trauma care units (related to gun wounds). I don't believe you have offered any support for this assertion of yours? And even if Brazil's trauma care is as advanced as the United States, that is essentially a credit to Brazil in terms of technology, medical science, and professionalism.

As for your bottom question, my answer is it is implicit in the tone and diction of some your post, such as when you stated something along the lines of - and I paraphrase - "dangerous" cities like Compton when you put its violence level in relation to certain areas of Brazil. Essentially your choice of tone, diction, and use of quote marks around dangerous (or it might have been violence) was meant to discount and or diminish the violence and danger members of communities like Compton live in.

Of course the irony is you and your wife live in Brazil whereas that young Latino guy's child and mother of his child died in the United States through broad day light murder.
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written by bo, February 26, 2007
Perhaps Brazil has a 95% success rate or perhaps they have a 5% success rate. I can not answer that because I don't know.



When then you should really, with all due respect, shut the f**k up in trying to make comparisons with ANY other country if you don't have their stats as well....wouldn't you agree?
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written by bo, February 26, 2007
As for your bottom question, my answer is it is implicit in the tone and diction of some your post, such as when you stated something along the lines of - and I paraphrase - "dangerous" cities like Compton when you put its violence level in relation to certain areas of Brazil. Essentially your choice of tone, diction, and use of quote marks around dangerous (or it might have been violence) was meant to discount and or diminish the violence and danger members of communities like Compton live in.



You sure do assume a lot don't you?? I'm sure you've heard what they say about those that ASS-U-ME?

I made that comment in respect to Compton because from 2005, the last year in which we have complete stats, it appears that compton could've very well reduced their murder rate by 75% of more. And still, it does not show where I attempted to say that murder "hurts" less in one country than the other.
E Harm
written by Ric, February 26, 2007
"Bye, bye now"? What are you, a little girl?

What is your interest in Brazil anyway? And what is your interest in Compton, and other places you´ve never been?

Your constant reference to who is clever, who is average, who has a high IQ, copying authors, clever and smart, "intellectual"....all those are your words, not mine. The doubts and fears of all the years......those are qualities that you are worried about, not me. I´ve already been to grad school. I´ve already got the ratings and the hours. After a few years, one is what one is. If someone is writing down his thoughts in the verbal context in which they express themselves, how can it be said that he is trying to be something he´s not? I´m no genius, never said I was, I don´t care what the IQ tests say, I can´t even understand the new methods of teaching calculus without having to put in more time than I want to devote to it. Some guys would get it immediately.

"Hence one needs a mind orderly enough that they can think abstract and "outside of the box".

You are studying composition?

You mixed "one" and "they". Decide, the two terms should agree. If you are going to use "abstract" as an adverb, it should be "abstractly". The term you used, so trite it makes me want to puke whenever I hear it, is "outside the box", not "outside of the box."

Did you see the other article where the author was laying on the beach? Where is English going? How good are your professors? How do you know?

THINK ABOUT IT, JUSTIN!!!!!!!!?!

WISHT AH CUD SEE YALL AND SEE THEM STICKERS AN WHATNOT YALL GOT FRUM BEIN IN THE NAVY. KNEW AH WAS OWN THE RITE TRACK WHEN I CHOOSED YALL FUR MAH BEST FRIEND. YEVER NEED A HAND LET MUH NO.
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written by e harmony, February 26, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-25 19:48:19

Perhaps Brazil has a 95% success rate or perhaps they have a 5% success rate. I can not answer that because I don't know.




When then you should really, with all due respect, shut the f**k up in trying to make comparisons with ANY other country if you don't have their stats as well....wouldn't you agree?


My proposition never was that the U.S. is more or less violent than Brazil. My proposition has clearly been that the U.S. advances in trauma care over the last 40 years has reduced the number of annual homicides by 30,000 to 50,000 and as such homicide in the U.S. is no longer an accurate gauge of violence within the U.S. So, the burden is not with me to find out or prove that Brazil's trauma care is better or worse than the U.S. because I have not argued that Brazil is less violent than the U.S. nor have I argued the U.S. is more violent than Brazil. Point is, the burden of proof rest with you since you are the one arguing Brazil is more violent than the U.S.

You simply don't like to be challenged on your propositions. So far as I can tell, yourself and a gringo or more frequently exhibit anger, aggression, and tendencies towards violence more than any Brazilian on this site. If you reply back that I'm violent or full of anger, then whether that is true or not, the simple fact will remain I'm not Brazilian and am a product of the United States.

Cheers.
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written by e harmony, February 26, 2007
E Harm
written by Ric, 2007-02-25 22:41:20

"Bye, bye now"? What are you, a little girl?


Is that another clever remark, Ric? smilies/smiley.gif


What is your interest in Brazil anyway? And what is your interest in Compton, and other places you´ve never been?


I don't have any interest in Compton. Pointing out its murder rate does not make me interested in the city. Whatever is my interest in Brazil is mine - and I do not need your approval for that. Sorry to burst your bubble.


Your constant reference to who is clever, who is average, who has a high IQ, copying authors, clever and smart, "intellectual"....all those are your words, not mine. The doubts and fears of all the years......those are qualities that you are worried about, not me. I´ve already been to grad school. I´ve already got the ratings and the hours. After a few years, one is what one is. If someone is writing down his thoughts in the verbal context in which they express themselves, how can it be said that he is trying to be something he´s not? I´m no genius, never said I was, I don´t care what the IQ tests say, I can´t even understand the new methods of teaching calculus without having to put in more time than I want to devote to it. Some guys would get it immediately.


Doubts? smilies/smiley.gif No my sir, if "doubts" refers to improving, no I have no real doubts in that.


"Hence one needs a mind orderly enough that they can think abstract and "outside of the box".

You are studying composition?

You mixed "one" and "they". Decide, the two terms should agree. If you are going to use "abstract" as an adverb, it should be "abstractly". The term you used, so trite it makes me want to puke whenever I hear it, is "outside the box", not "outside of the box."

Did you see the other article where the author was laying on the beach? Where is English going? How good are your professors? How do you know?

THINK ABOUT IT, JUSTIN!!!!!!!!?!

WISHT AH CUD SEE YALL AND SEE THEM STICKERS AN WHATNOT YALL GOT FRUM BEIN IN THE NAVY. KNEW AH WAS OWN THE RITE TRACK WHEN I CHOOSED YALL FUR MAH BEST FRIEND. YEVER NEED A HAND LET MUH NO.


Thanks for your correction, Ric, but I don't need them. Not even the best writers on earth write perfectly in a single draft. Granted, I'm sure the more one is practiced at writing in the correct way the better the more it becomes a natural habit. Nonetheless, your attempt - with grad school experience and all - to chastise me for pointing out bo's frequent use of two and more exclamation marks and question marks, after he frequently and repeatedly has cursed at me, screamed at me, and called mer all sorts of names, only gives evidence to your ethical dishonesty I spoke about earlier. For if you were the objective, ethically honest, intellectual product of grad school as you like to present yourself as, you would be chastising bo frequently for not just his grammar but his obnoxious behavior.

As for this and your other clever Einstein remarks, "THINK ABOUT IT, JUSTIN!!!!!!!!?!," yeah I've thought about it, and my conclusion is you're beneath me.
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written by bo, February 26, 2007
Of course the irony is you and your wife live in Brazil whereas that young Latino guy's child and mother of his child died in the United States through broad day light murder.


So did an american friend of mine, murdered, 5 years ago, here in the city where I live, in brazil, which everyone describes as "peaceful". It happens everywhere unfortunately, and naturally, once again, only stands to reason, that per capita brazil would have more foreigners murdered than in the U.S.
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written by bo, February 26, 2007
Point is, the burden of proof rest with you since you are the one arguing Brazil is more violent than the U.S.



Buddy, it's a known statistical fact. I don't have to post the murder numbers AGAIN do I??

What would you say if you found out that brazil also has MORE attempted murders than the U.S.?? I mean, it only stands to logic. You take an assumption and attempt to make it a reality. You have no idea about the numbers of attempted murders nor the number of people saved, or that are lost, due to trauma care in brazil, nor the United States! You only have shown an "article" that makes broad assumptions, very broad. No scientific or statistical analysis whatsoever, someones opinion, and opinions are like a*****es.....

The facts of the matter are that brazil is a MUCH more violent country than the U.S., obviously, you are STILL debating it. I'm finished. My point has been made. You are grasping at straws and have been for quite some time now. Why don't you post some more new stories from across the U.S.? "2 attacked outside of NJ nightclub", lmao, wtf was that?

55,000 murdered in brazil in 2005 e harmony, hate to tell ya. Sure wish it wasn't true, I live here, so does my child. But it's an undeniable fact. 7X more per capita than the U.S.

As far as your comments to ric about my "obnoxious" behavior, I recommend you take a look at yourself, as sung by Eric Clampton. I think that when everyone sees the context of most of my remarks, my responses are justified, for the mostpart anyhow. And please justin, remember this, especially when I'm responding to you, 95% of the time I have a big grin on my face, I'm far from "yelling", although it may appear that way to you. For after you admitted to being a statutory rapist that has a thing for transexuals, I just can't get it out of my mind that you would be a "regular" in the bathroom at the mall in my city, playing circle jerk with the other 17 year old boys and polishing knobs.

When/if you ever do come to brazil, and spend some time, like a couple of years, I would certainly think that it would occur to you how big of an idiot you appear to be at times in defending so vehemently a place that you've never stepped foot in. I mean, I don't give a f**k if you've read every book that exists on brazil, it doesn't matter one iota to me. It's actually quite laughable. I read a post from someone here yesterday or the day before and he said that there is a difference in "knowing", and "really knowing". Those that "really know" about certain things are those that have lived themt, they've breathed them, experienced them. Those that simply "know" have read a book, or seen a picture.

E, as much as you'd like, you can't tell me what it's like to live in brazil, not what it's "really like".
WÉ´VE SURELY GOT TROUBLE
written by Ric, February 26, 2007
Right here in River City and today´s news indicates that some posters are correct, it´s WORSE IN THE USA.

Irate over his trailer being repossessed, a man with a rifle showed up early Sunday morning on the Parliament Drive porch of the repo guy and tried to kick in the door. As he walked away, the Flathead County Sheriff´s Office arrested him on suspicion of assault with a weapon.

A Chihuahua bit a man Sunday afternoon on Rosewood Drive, Kalispell Police said. It is unknown how the man could possibly tell he was attacked by a canine version of the mini-me.

Whitefish Police ticketed a male youth early Sunday morning on suspicion of possessing alchohol.
Justin Side the Legal Limit
written by Ric, February 26, 2007
"Thanks for your correction, Rick, but I don´t need them".

This is a classic. He doesn´t need correction, but "correction" is singular and "them" is plural. "A year ago I couldn´t even spell ATR and now I are one".
You left out two letters
written by Ric, February 26, 2007
Bo "...called mer all sorts of names".......
Três franceses são encontrados mortos em Copacabana
written by bo, February 27, 2007
27/02/2007 - 10h46m - Atualizado em 27/02/2007 - 12h42m

Três estrangeiros - dois homens e uma mulher - foram encontrados mortos a facadas em um apartamento em Copacabana, na Zona Sul, na manhã desta terça-feira (27). Os três seriam franceses, segundo policiais militares, e estavam amarrados a cadeiras e com muitos ferimentos.



O casal morava num apartamento no nono andar do prédio. No terceiro andar, funcionava a ONG para a qual os dois trabalhavam. O casal tinha um filho de dois anos que saiu, na manhã desta terça-feira (27), acompanhado de duas amigas da família.



As primeiras informações indicam que o casal morava há 12 anos no Brasil.



O apartamento do terceiro andar da Rua Ronald de Carvalho foi encontrado com roupas reviradas e gavetas espalhadas num sinal de que houve confronto físico.



Testemunhas dizem ter visto três homens entrarem no prédio por volta dAs 8h desta terça-feira (27) e se dirigirem ao escritório dos franceses. Ao ouvirem gritos, vizinhos chamaram a polícia.



Policiais Militares do Batalhão de Copacabana prenderam Tarso William Ramires, de 25 anos, quando ele saía do prédio levando um cofre do apartamento.



A polícia não confirmou se Tarso, que estaria ferido, era funcionário da ONG Terra Ativa responsável por dar assistência a menores carentes.




For you E, and look, there's more.
Saiba mais....
written by bo, February 27, 2007


* » Turistas estrangeiros são assaltados no Aterro do Flamengo
* » Turistas são assaltados no sábado de carnaval
* » Três turistas israelenses são assaltados em Copacabana
* » Táxi atropela turista italiano em Copacabana, na Zona Sul do Rio
* » Turistas americanos são assaltados no Corcovado

Quarenta e três pessoas são assaltadas na Floresta da Tijuca!!!
written by bo, February 27, 2007
Um grupo de assaltantes roubou 43 pessoas na Floresta da Tijuca, na Zona Norte do Rio, às 14h deste sábado (10). As vítimas estavam divididas em seis grupos que faziam trilha ecológica no parque florestal. De acordo com a polícia, os criminosos seriam integrantes de uma mesma quadrilha.



A área foi fechada e os policiais fazem buscas no local atrás dos criminosos, que fugiram com pertences dos visitantes.



As vítimas estão na 19ª DP (Tijuca), onde o caso será registrado.


You can't even go to the park!!! 43 people robbed!
Trinta pessoas são assaltadas sob ameaça de pistolas e granada, incluindo um americano
written by bo, February 27, 2007
Um casal assaltou, na noite desta terça-feira (30), trinta passageiros de um ônibus, incluinto um turista americano, que faz a linha Galeão- Alvorada, no Rio. Eles vinham do aeroporto Internacional Tom Jobim, na Ilha do Governador, e foram rendidos quando passavam pelo Aterro do Flamengo, na Zona Sul.



De acordo com uma das vítimas, um casal pegou o ônibus na Cinelândia, no Centro, pagou as passagens e, pouco depois, anunciou o assalto. Eles obrigaram os passageiros a fechar as cortinas e ficaram dentro do ônibus por cerca de 20 minutos. Durante o trajeto pelo Aterro do Flamengo, foram roubados dinheiro, jóias e celulares das vítimas. Entre as pessoas estava um turista americano, de 55 anos. Os ladrões saltaram em Copacabana, na Zona Sul do Rio, e fugiram em um táxi.



Cinco vítimas que prestaram queixa disseram que os bandidos estavam armados com pistolas e uma granada. O assalto aconteceu duas semanas depois do novo esquema de policiamento nas principais vias expressas da cidade.





Copacabana: cenário de violência



Na mesma madrugada, dois criminosos foram presos após uma tentativa de assalto em Copacabana, na Zona Sul do Rio. Segundo a Delegacia Especial de Atendimento ao Turista (Deat), o francês Paul Robert Larnaude foi abordado por quatro homens armados na esquina das ruas Bolívar com Leopoldo Miguez. Policiais à paisana, que estavam no local, perceberam a ação dos criminosos e houve tiroteio. Os outros dois bandidos conseguiram fugir.


E, na manhã desta segunda-feira (29), quatro homens assaltaram uma padaria que fica na Rua Santa Clara, em Copacabana. A polícia foi chamada e quando chegou ao local, foi recebida a tiros pelos assaltantes. Durante o tiroteio, um carro da PM foi alvejado. Um dos criminosos foi baleado e levado para o Hospital Miguel Couto, na Gávea, na Zona Sul, mas não resistiu aos ferimentos. Um bandido morreu, dois foram presos e um quarto assaltante conseguiu fugir. Uma jovem, de 18 anos, que passava pelo local foi baleada na cabeça e está internada.

Assalto a turistas no Rio


No início do ano, um grupo de turistas alemães e croatas foi assaltado após desembarcar no Aeroporto Internacional do Rio de Janeiro, na Ilha do Governador. Eles passavam pela Linha Vermelha, na pista sentido Centro, na altura de São Cristóvão, na Zona Norte.

Segundo os policiais, quatro homens armados com pistolas e que estavam em um carro de cor prata, interceptaram a van que transportava os turistas levando objetos deles. Também estavam no veículo o motorista e um guia. Os ladrões levaram dinheiro, jóias e câmeras fotográficas das vítimas.

Em novembro, 18 turistas ingleses foram tiveram seus pertences roubados quando o ônibus em que estavam foi fechado por bandidos no Aterro do Flamengo, na Zona Sul do Rio, perto do Aeroporto Santos Dumont. Segundo policiais civis da Delegacia Especial de Atendimento ao Turista, os ingleses haviam acabado de desembarcar no Aeroporto Internacional Tom Jobim, na Ilha do Governador, no subúrbio.


De acordo com Eurídes Fonseca, motorista do ônibus que conduzia os turistas ingleses, quatro homens armados com pistolas e granadas saíram de um carro modelo Pajero e interceptaram o veículo do grupo. Os ladrões entraram no ônibus dizendo ser da Polícia. As vítimas afirmaram que os criminosos ameaçaram explodir os artefatos.

Um grupo da República Tcheca foi assaltado quando visitava uma localidade que fica entre a Vista Chinesa e a Mesa do Imperador chamada de Bica, na subida para o Corcovado, na Zona Sul do Rio. Três homens armados surgiram do mato e saquearam o grupo.

Um grupo de empresários chineses foi roubado, perto do Corte do Cantagalo, na Lagoa, na Zona Sul do Rio, em outubro. Do Aeroporto Internacional, os chineses seguiram num microônibus. Na saída do Túnel Rebouças, na Lagoa, o veículo foi interceptado por um carro, onde estavam quatro criminosos armados, dois deles encapuzados. Eles entraram no veículo e renderam o grupo. Segundo os chineses a ação durou três minutos e foram levados cerca de R$ 36 mil.

Mais um caso de assalto a turistas próximo a aeroporto. Desta vez, foi na ida para o Santos Dumont, no Centro, em outubro. Dois americanos, que estavam passando alguns dias no Rio, iam viajar para São Paulo. No caminho, o carro foi interceptado por outro veículo com quatro bandidos. Os turistas e o motorista foram feitos reféns pela quadrilha e libertados perto do Viaduto da Perimetral. Os turistas ficaram sem as bagagens e os documentos. Segundo a polícia, o método e o carro foram os mesmos usados no assalto ao grupo de chineses.
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written by e harmony, February 27, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-26 07:13:21

Point is, the burden of proof rest with you since you are the one arguing Brazil is more violent than the U.S.




Buddy, it's a known statistical fact. I don't have to post the murder numbers AGAIN do I??


What would you say if you found out that brazil also has MORE attempted murders than the U.S.?? I mean, it only stands to logic. You take an assumption and attempt to make it a reality. You have no idea about the numbers of attempted murders nor the number of people saved, or that are lost, due to trauma care in brazil, nor the United States! You only have shown an "article" that makes broad assumptions, very broad. No scientific or statistical analysis whatsoever, someones opinion, and opinions are like a*****es.....

The facts of the matter are that brazil is a MUCH more violent country than the U.S., obviously, you are STILL debating it. I'm finished. My point has been made. You are grasping at straws and have been for quite some time now. Why don't you post some more new stories from across the U.S.? "2 attacked outside of NJ nightclub", lmao, wtf was that?

55,000 murdered in brazil in 2005 e harmony, hate to tell ya. Sure wish it wasn't true, I live here, so does my child. But it's an undeniable fact. 7X more per capita than the U.S.

As far as your comments to ric about my "obnoxious" behavior, I recommend you take a look at yourself, as sung by Eric Clampton. I think that when everyone sees the context of most of my remarks, my responses are justified, for the mostpart anyhow. And please justin, remember this, especially when I'm responding to you, 95% of the time I have a big grin on my face, I'm far from "yelling", although it may appear that way to you. For after you admitted to being a statutory rapist that has a thing for transexuals, I just can't get it out of my mind that you would be a "regular" in the bathroom at the mall in my city, playing circle jerk with the other 17 year old boys and polishing knobs.

When/if you ever do come to brazil, and spend some time, like a couple of years, I would certainly think that it would occur to you how big of an idiot you appear to be at times in defending so vehemently a place that you've never stepped foot in. I mean, I don't give a f**k if you've read every book that exists on brazil, it doesn't matter one iota to me. It's actually quite laughable. I read a post from someone here yesterday or the day before and he said that there is a difference in "knowing", and "really knowing". Those that "really know" about certain things are those that have lived themt, they've breathed them, experienced them. Those that simply "know" have read a book, or seen a picture.

E, as much as you'd like, you can't tell me what it's like to live in brazil, not what it's "really like".


Yes, please post the statistical facts that that Brazil saves as many if not more lives through trauma care than the United States. Both you and Ric are dishonest and unethical individuals, and for me that is the only fact I come away with when reading many of things both of you write.

Anyways, overall I have to say I appreciate many of the Brazilian posts in many of the threads. Gringos like yourself I'm not so sure about. Now, some gringos (and I include myself as a gringo) I like reading because even though all of us are subjective to some degree, some do try to be objective and give their perspective as best they can without being pricks.
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written by e harmony, February 27, 2007
Justin Side the Legal Limit
written by Ric, 2007-02-26 09:34:01

"Thanks for your correction, Rick, but I don´t need them".

This is a classic. He doesn´t need correction, but "correction" is singular and "them" is plural. "A year ago I couldn´t even spell ATR and now I are one".


The only thing classic, Ric, is your choice to point out a grammatical error after I already raised this point to you: Nonetheless, your attempt - with grad school experience and all - to chastise me for pointing out bo's frequent use of two and more exclamation marks and question marks, after he frequently and repeatedly has cursed at me, screamed at me, and called mer all sorts of names, only gives evidence to your ethical dishonesty I spoke about earlier. For if you were the objective, ethically honest, intellectual product of grad school as you like to present yourself as, you would be chastising bo frequently for not just his grammar but his obnoxious behavior.

The mechanics to writing English are easier to overcome than such things as lacking the traits of fairness or simply being an unethical person. Apparently one can go through grad school and still retain these negative traits.
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written by bo, February 27, 2007
Yes, please post the statistical facts that that Brazil saves as many if not more lives through trauma care than the United States.



No,that burden is on you. I've already shown the proof that brazil is a much more violent country, to the tune of 7X moreso in regards to murder. I've posted those stats, again and again, and has similiar higher numbers in regards to other crime as well. But you'll have that in a country that has the most unequal distribution of income on planet earth.
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written by bo, February 27, 2007
The mechanics to writing English are easier to overcome than such things as lacking the traits of fairness or simply being an unethical person. Apparently one can go through grad school and still retain these negative traits.



And now I've seen it all!! Lessons on ethics for a convicted statuatory rapist!


What's next? Bible school with Charles Manson?
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written by bo, February 27, 2007
....from a convicted statuatory rapist.
Here's some murder brazil murder #'s for ya, it's not only in Rio and Sao Paulo, it's ALL OVER!
written by bo, February 28, 2007
Murder in Brazil Is Not Just a Big-City Problem Anymore PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento
Wednesday, 28 February 2007

Colniza (Mato Grosso, Brazil) residents inaugurate new bridge It's common knowledge that while Brazil's largest cities, like São Paulo, Rio and Salvador, are plagued by violence the rest of the country still offers plenty of places, which are islands of quiet and safety. This common knowledge, however, has just been debunked.

A study by the Organization of Ibero-American States shows that violent crimes in Brazil are moving from the capitals to the country's interior. Murders, the report reveals, are now spread throughout 556 or 10% of the 5560 Brazilian municipalities.

Rio, São Paulo and all other densely populated cities don't make into the 10 worst cities for violent death. They don't appear even among the 100 worst cities. Rio de Janeiro shows up at 107th place with 57.2 murders per 100,000 and São Paulo only makes it at 182nd place with 48.2 homicides per 100,000.

While falling in the big cities the murder rate has been steadily increasing in the hinterland, however.

The 10 most violent municipalities in Brazil don't even include a capital city. Among them only two in fact are in metropolitan areas: Serra, in the state of Espírito Santo and Ilha de Itamaracá, in Pernambuco.

The research, which was a joint effort with Brazil's Health Ministry, shows that Brazilian champion of murder is not a big town, but Colniza, a small 13,000-residents city in the state of Mato Grosso, which has had over 20 murders a year for the last three years, putting it at the top with a rate of 165 deaths per 100,000 residents.

All numbers are from 2004, the last year in which the statistical data have been consolidated.

The 556 cities analyzed in the study concentrate 71.8% of all the murders in Brazil. While Colniza appears as number 1, the last town in the list, Nova América, in the state of Goiás, appears with 29.8 homicides per 100,000, which still puts it inside an area that the Inter-American Development Bank (IADB) classifies as presenting "total rupture of the public safety mechanisms." These are cities where the population neither trusts the police nor believes they can solve their problems.

A recent Violence Map drawn by the Brazilian government has shown that while the Brazilian population increased 16.5% in the decade going from 1994 to 2004, the number of murders during the same period grew 48.4%, from 32.603 deaths a year to 48,374.

Some of Brazil's most violent places are new towns created with the deforestation of the Amazon and they include besides Colniza, Juruena, São José do Xingu and Aripuanã, all Mato in Grosso and Tailândia, in the state of Pará, where lawlessness seems to be the rule. They are in fact nobody's land.

Naturally, the number of murders is not exactly small in the capitals. Only seven from Brazil's 26 capitals do not show up among the 556 meanies and the metropolitan areas of the capitals of Rio de Janeiro, Pernambuco and Espírito are some of the most lethal areas in the country. Since 1998, Pernambuco and Espírito Santo have appeared in the Violence Map among the most dangerous states to your life.

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written by bo, February 28, 2007
"These are cities where there are huge fights for the land, involving Indians, deforestation and the illegal appropriation of areas. These are very remote regions, of difficult access, where the government and laws are absent," says the report's author, sociologist Julio Jacobo Waiselfisz, for whom Brazil's violence has reached unbearable highs.

Commenting the study, Brazil's Health Minister, Agenor Alves, said that "the data are not encouraging at all." "This is an alarming worrisome situation," he stated, adding that the new numbers will be useful in helping the government to adopt the right policies to lessen the problem of violence in Brazil.

With 48.374 homicides in 2004, Brazil is considered the world's 4th worst country in number of murders just behind Colombia, Russia and Venezuela. And this number could be worse if the real numbers were in. Waiselfisz believes that there are 15% more homicides in Brazil than the statistics show.

Thousands of deaths are never reported to the authorities. In this case, as he believes, the victims are buried in clandestine cemeteries or just abandoned in the jungles and rivers where they are never found or accounted for.

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st
Juruena MT 137.8 2nd
Coronel Sapucaia MS 116.4 3rd
Serra ES 111.3 4th
São José do Xingu MT 109.6 5th
Vila Boa GO 107.0 6th
Tailândia PA 104.9 7th
Aripuanã MT 98.2 8th
Ilha de Itamaracá PE 95.1 9th
Macaé RJ 94.5 10th
Foz do Iguaçu PR 94.3 11th
Itaguaí RJ 92.7 12th
Recife PE 91.2 13th
Tunas do Paraná PR 86.8 14th
Itaboraí RJ 83.7 15th
Cariacica ES 83.3 16th
Cabo de Santo Agostinho PE 82.2 17th
Santa Cruz do Xingu MT 81.7 18th
Duque de Caxias RJ 80.9 19th
Ribeirão PE 79.4 20th
Rio Bonito do Iguaçu PR 79.3 21st
Vitória ES 78.6 22nd
Nova Iguaçu RJ 78.5 23rd
Vicente Dutra RS 78.1 24th
Cotriguaçu MT 77.4 25th
Buritis RO 77.3 26th
Jaboatão dos Guararapes PE 76.9 27th
São Sebastião SP 76.9 28th
Agrestina PE 75.8 29th
Diadema SP 74.6 30th

Rio de Janeiro RJ 57.2 107th
São Paulo SP 48.2 182nd
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written by e harmony, February 28, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-27 17:40:40

Yes, please post the statistical facts that that Brazil saves as many if not more lives through trauma care than the United States.




No,that burden is on you. I've already shown the proof that brazil is a much more violent country, to the tune of 7X moreso in regards to murder. I've posted those stats, again and again, and has similiar higher numbers in regards to other crime as well. But you'll have that in a country that has the most unequal distribution of income on planet earth.


No, you made an implied assertion that just as many people (or more) are saved in Brazilian trauma care as are in the United States, and provided no evidence for your assertion.
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written by e harmony, February 28, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-28 10:42:20

"These are cities where there are huge fights for the land, involving Indians, deforestation and the illegal appropriation of areas. These are very remote regions, of difficult access, where the government and laws are absent," says the report's author, sociologist Julio Jacobo Waiselfisz, for whom Brazil's violence has reached unbearable highs.

Commenting the study, Brazil's Health Minister, Agenor Alves, said that "the data are not encouraging at all." "This is an alarming worrisome situation," he stated, adding that the new numbers will be useful in helping the government to adopt the right policies to lessen the problem of violence in Brazil.

With 48.374 homicides in 2004, Brazil is considered the world's 4th worst country in number of murders just behind Colombia, Russia and Venezuela. And this number could be worse if the real numbers were in. Waiselfisz believes that there are 15% more homicides in Brazil than the statistics show.

Thousands of deaths are never reported to the authorities. In this case, as he believes, the victims are buried in clandestine cemeteries or just abandoned in the jungles and rivers where they are never found or accounted for.

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st


If I remember correctly from that article you took this from, Colniza is per capita the most dangerous city in Brazil per homicide. I believe this due its homicide rate. What I find interesting however is I believe Colniza only has a population size of 13,000 - and annual homicide totals of 20 people - yet when Compton and Gary which have far larger population sizes than Colniza are mentioned you dismiss them due their size - you also mock in tone Gary, Indiana's 50 or so annual murders.

But even Colniza's homicide number could possibly be effected by its degree trauma care - maybe not or maybe so.
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written by e harmony, February 28, 2007
Yes, Colniza has 13,000 people, much smaller than Gary, and so I hope we can hear no more dismissing of Gary, Indiana due her small population size of roughly 100,000 or so.

Excerpt from article.
The research, which was a joint effort with Brazil's Health Ministry, shows that Brazilian champion of murder is not a big town, but Colniza, a small 13,000-residents city in the state of Mato Grosso, which has had over 20 murders a year for the last three years, putting it at the top with a rate of 165 deaths per 100,000 residents.
Hey E Harmony(dickwad)
written by bo, February 28, 2007
No, you made an implied assertion that just as many people (or more) are saved in Brazilian trauma care as are in the United States, and provided no evidence for your assertion.



NOOOOOOO, YOU made the assertion that more people do not die a violent death in the U.S because of the wonderful level of trauma care that exists in the U.S. but NOT in brazil!

That was YOU that made that assertion, not me!

YOU started with this ignorant horses**t of trauma care, not me. Do I need to post the quotes??


f**k that! You're an ignorant, delusional child molestor. Go f**k yourself E.
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written by bo, February 28, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-28 15:48:40

Yes, Colniza has 13,000 people, much smaller than Gary, and so I hope we can hear no more dismissing of Gary, Indiana due her small population size of roughly 100,000 or so.



Huh???

We never dismissed Gary, we included Gary!! And what is Gary's death rate??? Do you remember??? Less than 60 per 100K!
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written by bo, February 28, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-02-28 15:44:44

written by bo, 2007-02-28 10:42:20

"These are cities where there are huge fights for the land, involving Indians, deforestation and the illegal appropriation of areas. These are very remote regions, of difficult access, where the government and laws are absent," says the report's author, sociologist Julio Jacobo Waiselfisz, for whom Brazil's violence has reached unbearable highs.

Commenting the study, Brazil's Health Minister, Agenor Alves, said that "the data are not encouraging at all." "This is an alarming worrisome situation," he stated, adding that the new numbers will be useful in helping the government to adopt the right policies to lessen the problem of violence in Brazil.

With 48.374 homicides in 2004, Brazil is considered the world's 4th worst country in number of murders just behind Colombia, Russia and Venezuela. And this number could be worse if the real numbers were in. Waiselfisz believes that there are 15% more homicides in Brazil than the statistics show.

Thousands of deaths are never reported to the authorities. In this case, as he believes, the victims are buried in clandestine cemeteries or just abandoned in the jungles and rivers where they are never found or accounted for.

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st



If I remember correctly from that article you took this from, Colniza is per capita the most dangerous city in Brazil per homicide. I believe this due its homicide rate. What I find interesting however is I believe Colniza only has a population size of 13,000 - and annual homicide totals of 20 people - yet when Compton and Gary which have far larger population sizes than Colniza are mentioned you dismiss them due their size - you also mock in tone Gary, Indiana's 50 or so annual murders.

But even Colniza's homicide number could possibly be effected by its degree trauma care - maybe not or maybe so.




Yeah, it could, and it could also be affected by the statatory rapists that are looking for chicks with dicks and don't know any better than to call 9-1-1.


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Sad sad sad....
written by Alberto, March 01, 2007
I feel very sorry for all these Brazilians posting up stories of violence in the U.S to excuse the horrific violent crime in this article. All these comments are absolutely sickening.
Yes, it is sad
written by Ric, March 01, 2007
Alberto. Socialists tend as a group to deny the obvious and rewrite history.

Even before Leon Trotsky faked his own death so he could go to work for Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, the people back in Moscow had retouched him out of the pictures.

The French recently airbrushed the cigarette out of Sartre´s nicotine stained fingers.

The Russians still maintain that their guy invented the airplane.

Denial and transference, two well known techniques. The really dumb ones may fall for it. The kind of rubes that lose their life savings playing three card monte.
Alberto
written by A brazilian, March 01, 2007
Sad is read idiots like yourself that don't read the entire thread. People like Bo, with their raging bigotry, are in a crusade to portray Brazil as bad as possible. Some decided to show some truth. It's simple, just a matter of using the intelligence.
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written by bo, March 01, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-03-01 12:19:43

....just a matter of using the intelligence.



It would be hysterical, if it wasn't so f**king tragic.
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written by e harmony, March 02, 2007
written by bo, 2007-02-28 17:27:24

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written by e harmony, 2007-02-28 15:48:40

Yes, Colniza has 13,000 people, much smaller than Gary, and so I hope we can hear no more dismissing of Gary, Indiana due her small population size of roughly 100,000 or so.




Huh???

We never dismissed Gary, we included Gary!! And what is Gary's death rate??? Do you remember??? Less than 60 per 100K!


Yes, Gary's homicide rate for 2005 was below 60 per 100,000 people but at or over 50 per 100,000 and above that of Rio de Janeiro. Implications are simple... the United States has cities with homicide rates of supposedly "second" and "third world nations."

Though the Chicago suburb, Maywood, is not what it was in violence a few years ago, it nonetheless had a homicide rate comparable to the most dangerous cities on earth as of year 2003. Maywood is a small town with blacks, Latinos, and I am also told La Cosa Nostra (this is what I have been told at least. I've been there before though). According to wikipedia the 2000 census population size of Maywood was registered at 26,987 (more than double Colniza for population perspective and industrial productivity and worth). In 2003 she seems to have had 23 murders - according my own calculations that would have put Maywoods homicide rate at 85.2 (rounding to the nearest tenth) per 100,000 people.

Basically, I think murder rates around 20 or so persons per 100,000 are considered beneath the civility of a "first world nation" and the halmarks of a "second" or "third world country."


http://abclocal.go.com/wls/sto...id=3225763

Excerpt.
July 6, 2005 - It appears officials in a western suburb are winning the battle against crime. The Village of Maywood has gone almost an entire year without a homicide. That's a huge turnaround from the past several years.

Maywood, bloody Maywood. That's how the near western suburb could have been described during 2003 when its homicide rate was even higher than the city of Chicago's. But an anti-violence program, combined with a new attitude and work ethic on the part of Maywood police, has apparently made all the difference.
Twenty-year-old Desmond Byrd remembers what Maywood was like two years ago. Several open air drug markets did business 24-hours a day, and 23 people were killed as gangs of drug dealers fought over turf:
"Money was just the root of all evil out here. You want it, you're gonna go out there and get it. Whoever got it, you go and take it from them," said Desmond Byrd, Maywood resident.
But fast forward to Maywood, 2005, where police have not investigated even one murder this year. Officers spend more of their promoting the village's community policing program and residents have responded.

Tailandia, PA
written by Ric, March 02, 2007
Is mainly run by guys from South Brazil who own sawmills and other businesses. It´s a new town, on the road from Belem to Tucurí where the dam is. The violence is not reflective of the locals as much as the people from the south.

A few years ago the youngest mayor in the country was Nazareno, in Tailandia. He´s dead now. He had a rival, no, don´t think I should give that name out. The logging industry surives in part because the town in near the big rive and logs can be brought in by ferry.
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written by bo, March 02, 2007
Yes, Gary's homicide rate for 2005 was below 60 per 100,000 people but at or over 50 per 100,000 and above that of Rio de Janeiro. Implications are simple... the United States has cities with homicide rates of supposedly "second" and "third world nations."


And the murder rate in Gary, as well as most every part in the U.S. is DECLINING E harm, in brazil, it is INCREASING. Sorry to bust your bubble, as I know you want to paint the u.s. in the most negative light possible. I bet you danced the jig on september 11th, 2001.
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written by A brazilian, March 06, 2007
in brazil, it is INCREASING


That's not true. The numbers show the violence decreasing.
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written by bo, March 06, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-03-05 19:20:51

in brazil, it is INCREASING



That's not true. The numbers show the violence decreasing.



Well, you need to talk to your justice ministry you piece of trash liar! Tired of you calling other people liars that report FACTS from studies from YOUR GOVERNMENT!

The number of people murdered from 2004 to 2005 INCREASED by approximately 2,000 people! It's a statistical fact you ignorant f**k.
Bo, the liar
written by A brazilian, March 06, 2007
Well, you need to talk to your justice ministry you piece of trash liar! Tired of you calling other people liars that report FACTS from studies from YOUR GOVERNMENT!


What study?
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written by bo, March 07, 2007
From your ministry of Justice that I've posted at least 5 times and was actually an article posted on this site!
Abe the Liar, and Deniar!
written by bo, March 07, 2007
More Civilians Murdered in Brazil in One Year than in Iraq After 3 Years of War
Written by Francesco Neves
Tuesday, 26 September 2006
About 45,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the invasion of their country by the United States in March 2003. In 2005 alone over 55,000 Brazilians were murdered in a non-declared civil war that has been ravaging Brazil for years.

According to just-released data by Brazil's Justice Ministry more than 150 Brazilians suffered violent death each day last year. The government, however, called reporters to tell that crime has been dropping in Brazil in recent years mainly due to disarmament campaigns.

For Marcelo Durante, the Justice Ministry's report coordinator, the biggest reduction in criminality occurred in states where more people participated in the government program to buy back firearms.

Durante also revealed that many violent crimes are underreported in Brazil. He mentioned for example that it's believed that 75% of robberies and 85% of rapes are never reported to the police.

Many Brazilian seem to think that reporting those crimes would be just a waste of time since the authorities wouldn't do anything anyway.

The government study listed crimes that occurred in cities with more than a 100,000 inhabitants in 2004 and 2005. The numbers come straight from the states Security Secretariats.

The state of Rio de Janeiro despite a 4% decrease in the number of violent deaths kept its title as murder champion followed by Pernambuco state in the Brazilian northeast.

Camaragibe, a city in Recife's (capital of Pernambuco) metropolitan area, was the municipality with the highest number of violent deaths. There were 180.9 murders for each 100 thousand residents during the period studied.

Duque de Caxias, in Rio de Janeiro, came in second with 120.7 deaths per 100,000. And it was a big surprise to see Curitiba, capital of the southern state of Paraná, appearing in third, with a rate of 119.9 deaths.

For comparison's sake, New Orleans, the US most violent city had a murder rate of 53.1 deaths per 100,000 before the Katrina hurricane. In Washington DC the rate is 45 per 100,000, in Detroit, 41.8 and in Iraq 27.5 violent deaths per 100,000 people.

All over Brazil, the number of deaths by violent crime grew 1% from 2004 to 2005, raising from 54,696 homicides to 55.312. This despite the reduction of murders in 11 states including Rio Grande do Sul, which saw an expressive decline of 35%.

Bo
written by A brazilian, March 07, 2007
Don't be stupid, do the math. Brazil is a huge county of 190 million people, it would surprise me if it were less than a crappy country such as Iraq.
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written by Gerry, March 11, 2007
I explained ages ago on this thread you can't compare a small city like New Orleans to the continent-sized Rio - it's a f**king cop out. Compare like with like or break Rio up and put them side by side such as Duque de Caixas Vs. N.O., otherwise you're just letting your own goddamn prejudices get in the way.

I'm sure there's tiny segments of Greater Rio which have murder rates in excess of several hundred per 100,000 but I don't know if they publish murders at that level.

Aside from Baghdad, I'd estimate the most violent cities (or at least certain parts in the case of huge megalopolis' like Rio) currently are San Pedro Sula, Caracas, Rio and Recife. Normally Medellin, Sao Paulo and Johannesburg would be there but they've become much safer.
Thaddeus the liar
written by Gerry, February 10, 2008
Just been reading through this old thread reliving some memories, and I can't believe the lies posted by Thaddeus Blanchette. I didn't notice them before.

"As for NO and Rio being uncomparable because Rio is "bigger" than NO, again, I answered this above: compare Rio proper to NO - two cities of roughly the same size - and you'll find that Rio's murder stats are less than half of NO's. So your comment here, again, makes no sense at all."

What Rio proper are you talking about?? Rio proper is well over TEN TIMES the size of NOLA proper and it's murder rate for 2003/2004 was OVER half of NO's - despite NO city being at a severe disadvantage with it's small size. Let's not even BEGIN bringing in the outer suburbs.

"Again, I'd like to see the source on that. My sources indicate that DdQ (which is a city, not a neighborhood of Rio, oh well informed gringo) has a murder rate around 60 per."

The murder rate is more around 80 and Duque de Caxias is part of the Rio metropolitan region.

"Earlier you claimed New Orleans couldn't be compared to Rio when in fact, statistically, it's WORSE than Rio. Now any reasonably bright person realizes that deaths aren't spread evenly throughout a city. Given that Rio clocking in at 45 deaths per 100,000 and NO at 57, I'll bet my eye-teeth that NO has a neighborhood where's it's close or over 100 per 100k. In fact, it's almost a statistical certainty."

New Orleans is, in fact, SAFER than Rio. Now you're comparing the WHOLE of Rio state to NOLA city?? Now which is more likely to have an unevenly spread murder rate and a swathe where it's over 100 per 100k? After all, Rio state is 40 times the size of the NOLA core. NOLA MSA (still far smaller than Rio) = 21 per 100k. You're also including Duque de Caxias in your comparison all of a sudden. What happened?

Bo's right, you're a lying piece of s**t.

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