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Brazil Won't Let My Boat Out, the US Won't Let My Brazilian Wife In PDF Print E-mail
2007 - March 2007
Written by Allen Brown   
Saturday, 03 March 2007 11:30

The author's boat, the Roamdeep I received my visa (A 1416275) to Brazil in Trinidad, on October 6, 2002. I entered the country through the Port of Cabedelo, in the northeastern state of Paraíba, in my boat, the Roamdeep. On March 3, 2003, while the crew was going to Prague to renew their visas, the Roamdeep was boarded and robbed by three persons, Daniel Williams, Rafael Williams and a person known to me as White Cat.

They took an estimated US$ 10,000 worth of equipment from the boat. The next day I went to the police chief in Cabedelo, Dr. Alberto do Ezito de Sousa. I reported to him what had happened. I was told by him in front of two witnesses that I would have to pay him US$ 1,500 to open the case. I left without giving him any money.

I called the US Embassy in Recife, Pernambuco state, and talked to Ms. Maureen Smith, the Vice Consul. She told me that the embassy does not get involved in civil matters. So I tried to call the FBI and never received a reply.

I ended up going to Dr. Melonasa of the Mayor's office in João Pessoa for help. He sent me to Dr. Comberto of the special police squad to help me solve the robbery of the Roamdeep. I knew who committed the crime, when they did it, and where they were selling the stolen items.

I had to translate all the stolen property into Portuguese, and I had to provide receipts for all the property that was stolen from the Roamdeep. I complied with all their requests and returned all the documentation to Dr. Comberto.

The case went to court March 23, 2003. I had eight witnesses for my case. I also had Dr. Comberto's testimony. He went to the suspects' homes and caught them with the stolen property. He also caught the people that were buying the stolen property. The report I received stated the judge released the suspects and closed the case.

For my trouble in trying to solve this matter, I was deported from Brazil on July 26, 2003.

Before I left Brazil, I went to the Captain of Ports, Kleber Pessek and showed him the letter from Cabedelo Náutica Ltda. I and informed him of my deportation. There had been some damage to the Roamdeep, so the Captain informed me where at the anchorage to place the boat.

The letter that I received from him states that it was all right for me to leave the Roamdeep in Brazil. My captain, my Brazilian wife and I along with 2 other Brazilians placed the Roamdeep where the Captain told us. I shut all the seacocks, all fuel valves, locked the boat up and gave the keys to my wife. From there, I went to the United States.

Upon my arrival in the United States, I immediately went to the Brazilian Consulate in Houston, Texas. I spoke to Mr. Américo who informed me that I would not be allowed to return to Brazil for six months. At that point, I showed him the letter from the Captain, the police report and my marriage license. He, in turn, said that I should have never been deported.

My wife and the Roamdeep's captain, complied with all the Port Captain's requests. Nevertheless, less than 30 days later, he filed papers with the Ministério da Fazenda stating that the Roamdeep was abandoned. At that point, my wife called me to inform me that Captain Kleber Pessek was seizing the boat.

After I received this information, I went back to the Brazilian Consulate in Houston. I spoke with Milton Torres da Silva. He then called the Captain of Ports in Brazil but was told to quit interfering with the Brazilian Navy's business. On September 23, 2003, a I got a new Brazilian visa.

I left for Brazil two days later. Upon my arrival in Brazil, the Federal Police took me into custody. I was taken to a holding cell, and I was stripped of my clothing. I sat in this cell naked for 17 hours until they were informed that my visa was not forged.

Upon my release, I went to João Pessoa, the capital of Paraíba state, and met with Tereza Adelia Naked. She informed me that the reason the Roamdeep was being seized was due to abandonment. I showed her my passport, where it shows that I was deported, on July 26, 2003. I then hired an attorney, and we went to court.

Upon leaving the courts, I was handed an Auto de Infração. I went to the Captain of the Ports, and they seized the Roamdeep for 1500 reais (US$ 707) in fines.

I believe all of the fines were bogus because the Brazilian boats in the anchorage had the same issues for which I was fined. The Captain and his replacement told me "two wrongs don't make a right."

The date of the Infração is 18/11/2003 at which point the Roamdeep had been in the Navy's custody for over 40 days tied to the dock in Cabedelo where it had been robbed at least two more times.

Then the Captain of Ports placed a Navy guard on board, and they each took a piece of the Roamdeep with them. It was not until the Navy knew I was back in the country that they filed a police report. I took pictures of the Roamdeep when I returned to Brazil.

The Navy's report shows several things that were taken, but on their original inventory, nine other items are missing that were on board when I took the pictures. By this time, the Roamdeep had been stripped of everything that could be taken - electrical wire, light fixtures, plumbing fixtures, blinds, motor oil, etc.

Then on March 30, 2004, a new reason was given as to why the Roamdeep was seized. In this order, the Captain of Ports, Marcello Lima de Oliveira, says the Roamdeep was taken to avert a natural disaster. They say it was in danger of sinking. By this time, the Roamdeep had been in the Brazilian Navy's custody for seven months. So far the Navy, Brazil and the Receita Federal have changed their stories several times on the Roamdeep.

By international law, a vessel needing repair can stay in the port of foreign land to make repairs without fear of deportation, and Brazilian law says that a person shall receive a letter of intent of fine or seizure 30 days before it can take place. It also says that no equipment shall remain in the country without the owner being present to be responsible.

So far, I have not been given due process of law. The fine from Receita Federal is US$ 7,500. The dock fee, towing fee and guard are still up in the air. I offered to pay out the fine, but José Ricardo Felix Alves refused and said I had to pay it all at one time, and I had 3 working days to do so.

Plus I had to pay the fines to the Navy in full and was not able to move the Roamdeep from the dock until the boat would pass a marine safety inspection by the Brazilian Navy safety officer. Also I would not be able to live on the boat while I was working on it and would have to pay the Brazilian Navy to guard it and pay dock fees.

As of right now, I do not know where they have taken the Roamdeep. They have refused to make any statement on this matter. I have been told that it has not been sold, but no one knows where the Roamdeep is. So I went to the US embassy to get a visa for my wife to enter the United States.

She and I were told "No" because we have no value. Our value lies in the Roamdeep and the business we are able to do with the Roamdeep. I had to come to the US without her, and if the law holds, she will not be able to come here for three years.

To add another insult, my dog, that I have had for 14 years, was not allowed to come back as Brazil wants me to have an Animal Export License to bring back the dog I took from the United States to Brazil before this all began.

And yet the Yacht Club and boating world of Brazil are still telling boaters they can keep their boats in Brazil for two years without paying any taxes. Please, tell people the truth.



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written by GTY, March 04, 2007
This would be comical if it wasn't so typical. This poor mans experience is just so typical of the corruption, beaucracy and the Brazilian's mentality. Those on this Blog that say there is exageration and isolated incidents should wake up. In the US, if this were to happen to a Brazilian boat owner, there would be many, many, people trying to help. In Brazil, the first response is to get in the Gringo's wallet. I expereinced what $R500 can do with a Brazilian Federal Policeman as well.

I had 1 day left on my 30 day tourist card and due to a illness in my wifes family I needed to stay a week or 2 longer, I went to the Federal Police station in Rio and after 6 hours finally got in to see some one, while I was waiting, there was a Candaian with a similar situation, he was granted an extension, I thought I would have no problems as I was following immigration law. When I meet with the policeman he said "I had already overstayed my Visa and would be deported. I laughed out loud which was a big mistake, because I was then taken into custody for "disrespect". I was released after several hours and after I agreed to leave within 8 days.

When returning home with my family, I was again detained at the immigration stop at GIG airport because of course, I had an expired Tourist Card, I was told by the FP to expect this and that I would have to pay $R100 fine. I was told by the immigration offical that my fine was $R3000! I refused to pay and he told me that I would not be able to return with my wife and children. Ironically, based on the above article, my wife's family was friends with the Vice Minister of the Navy. She had made a phone call and apparently the Admiral (I will not devulge his name) had contacted someone, beacuse all of a sudden my fine was reduced to $R500 and I was on my way. Another funny thing, none of this was ever reported in the immigration sysytem, no note on my Visa in my passport and I have made several trips down since. I came through immigration about a month ago and was taken by the same guy...he acted as if nothing has ever happened. What a s**thole, corrupt, backwoods, heartless country you have. Bash the US all you want, but there are thousands of stories like the authors and mine...and it's all about a chance to make a few extra $$$ for beer and smokes...you should all be ashamed of yourselves for letting this continue to your countyr throughout your history. It is the main thing that keeps Brazil from ever entering the developed world.
Well....
written by bo, March 04, 2007
guys, I pray to god that nothing like what has happened to you guys ever happens to me. Because they'll probably ending up shooting my ass.

GTY, took you into custody because you laughed??? WTF is that?

Allen, you need to take your story to the U.S. media. Glad you finally got your story published here, good for you!




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written by bienchido99, March 04, 2007
All I have to say to the author of this this piece is to learn to travel simply. Leave the expensive boat, crew and dogs at home, and if you must travel with so much baggage, avoid getting involved with the authorities at all costs. The only thing that traveling with all those expensive toys brought you was a lot of unwanted attention.
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written by bo, March 04, 2007
LMAO at the last post!


I think he was working on the boat bud, don't think there was any "leisure" activity in this situation.
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written by bo, March 04, 2007
ya know, come to think of it, the title of this article would make a good country song!!!


We even have a "lost" dog in this story!!


I'm calling Willie and Waylon. smilies/wink.gif
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written by PPLL, March 04, 2007
"Leave the expensive toys at home." Great advice when traveling to Brazil, some 6 year old will cut your throat for your rolex.
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written by bienchido99, March 04, 2007
Hey Bo...perhaps you need a remedial reading class. The author writes, "I entered the country....in MY boat".
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written by tourist, March 04, 2007
In Brazil, everything is set to favor the criminal. If you are robbed it is your fault because you have more money than the guy who would happily slit your throat for a couple reals. It is the do nothing society. Easier to do nothing. Notice how few people will help someone being assaulted. They don't won't to be involved. Keep their head in the sand. Dont' realize that their turn is next. A more civilized place wouldn't allow this garbage to continue
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written by bo, March 04, 2007
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written by bienchido99, 2007-03-03 23:15:58

Hey Bo...perhaps you need a remedial reading class. The author writes, "I entered the country....in MY boat".



No, it appears that you do. It appears that he was earning his living from working on his boat.



She and I were told "No" because we have no value. Our value lies in the Roamdeep and the business we are able to do with the Roamdeep.
That would be ok with me LOL!!!
written by your mother, March 04, 2007
(guys, I pray to god that nothing like what has happened to you guys ever happens to me. Because they'll probably ending up shooting my ass.)

Now Bo why would that be a bad thing?????? Laugh... unless of couse they miss you!!
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written by jabmalassie, March 04, 2007
Trinidad and Tobago?
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written by PPLL, March 04, 2007
Hey...who says Brazil is a civilized place. There is nothing civil about it. It's a place were criminals rule at the highest ranks and will cut your throat for a few real in the lowest. Brazil has always been the same, will always be the same...and Brazilans are so ashamed they will continue to tell you it;s utopia just to hide their shames and inadaquecy.
PPLL
written by Ana P., March 04, 2007
You are so right! We are all criminals! Please don't go to Brazil because we are in danger there. Everyone carries on gun or knife when they go out and if they ever talk to you. RUN! they want your money or kill you. Ever watched the movie Turistas? We really do that do people. We are affter white people organs since are multiracial organs are not good enough. You know? the whole inferior race thing means we have inferior organs as well...
Also if anyone ever come make sure you buy your gun and if anyone smile at you or try to start a comversation just shoot them. They are just Brazilians right? Not worth nothing anyways, they are criminals... All Brazilians have a gun in their homes and they bring their little kids to gun training. So you better watch out for us. We are no peace makers, we love wars and blood spilling of innocents for our financial gain. We just don't care.
Did I mention that we are cannibals as well???
You should have paid the police chief in the begining
written by aesaac, March 04, 2007
You should have paid the police chief the $1500. When in Rome. . .also you were ill prepared with your Prague crew's necessity for visas upon arrival. The fault rests with you. You were ill prepared. Live and learn. The world is as it is.
YOU NEED TO LEARN
written by forrest allen brown, March 04, 2007
no crew from prague . 3 from USA
one from England .
not a boat for fun , was a work boat and my home for over 9 years , covered well over 40.000 miles of ocean
By paying the police that would made me more of a victum than what he is now !!!
as you said when in ROAM E so i am doing as the brasilians do a little bite at a time for every one in the fore said news
and it is all a civil matter !!!!

aesaac people like you make Brasil the place it is , YOU need to live and learn , as far as being ill prepared , i spent 5 months in CUBA and was treated better there than Brasil

anna p seek mental help , take the chip off you shoulder , and think only a small percent of people beleive you in any thing you write

blenchido99 if that is the case then of to many toys why arnt the rich brasilian boats robed ??? say it with me now because the police would do something about the crime to a rich brasilian as for the traveler , the police only have to do nothing for 2 months and we have to leave , then he can sell off the goodies he has locked up to the rich brasilians
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written by Lambitus, March 04, 2007
I don't know how you guys get into all this Sh_t as I have lived/worked in Brazil for 32 years and never had these problems. Only once did I "gladly" facilitate the police as I was traveling without the documents to my car and they could have impounded it. I was wrong and had no qualms about the "facilitating matter" of not having my car impounded. But I'm sure there are real horror stories out there, but I have seen just a many in the U.S.A...
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written by bo, March 04, 2007
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written by Lambitus, 2007-03-04 06:42:55

I don't know how you guys get into all this Sh_t as I have lived/worked in Brazil for 32 years and never had these problems. Only once did I "gladly" facilitate the police as I was traveling without the documents to my car and they could have impounded it. I was wrong and had no qualms about the "facilitating matter" of not having my car impounded. But I'm sure there are real horror stories out there, but I have seen just a many in the U.S.A...



I call 100% BULLs**t on the above post! If you've lived in brazil for 32 years, you're a foreigner, and you've never been taken advantage of by a brazilian(s), or they attempted to, NUMEROUS times, had to pay bribes to authorities, NUMEROUS times, then you must be living on an uninhabited island in Bahia.
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written by Ana P., March 04, 2007
Rome is spelled ROME not ROAM E
written by aesaac, March 04, 2007
"while the crew was going to Prague to renew their visas" You left your ship, obviously by the fact that it was robbed, unguarded. I sympathize with the pain of your experience and the injustice of justice. Money buys justice, even in the United States the rich rarely go to jail and very few are on 'death row'.

If I were going to take my boat to Somalia I would go well armed.

For someone as world traveled as yourself you seem politically naive.

The post is written in the first and third person, the article is at a differenet level of linguistics. Curious.

'You should have paid the police in the begining' was a point of irony that in the end it cost you so much more than the lousy $1,500. Not that it was just or right.

If you have an infinite amount of time and money or know a Senator or judge you can perhaps achieve the financial and emotional justice that you seek.

I have been in the diamond business for 33 years, I have lost packages seized by customs agents in a variety of countries for a variety of reasons, it is the price of doing business.

Try Thailand sometime and run into a corrupt authoritarian or Mexico, your problems were made worse by how you dealt with them the proof being the results that you suffered.

I hope your insurance covered your loss, but you dont have insurance to cover your loss.

I just got to Brazil and have the sense to observe before acting.

Your lucky they didn't decide to search your boat and find ten pounds of opium you didn't put there.

Then they would have confiscated your boat and put you in prison.

Whom ever you are that wrote the post, there is no justice only degrees of it. Justice is not free, apparently in Brazil and unlike the U.S. civil suits take years if ever to be resolved if resoved.

I truly empathize for your loss. We cause our problems often by ignorance, carelessness, judgement. As the mythical 'Murphy' says if something can go wrong it will especially at sea, and especially dealling with customs in a variety of nations. 'Be prepared' be prepared to lose.

Pay Back Time....
written by Costinha, March 04, 2007
This Time is for reallllllllllllllllllllll........Hehehehe
Run... from authorities!
written by Asuma, March 04, 2007
Dear Ana P, about your comment "PPLL", I am Brazilian and I had been travelling a lot with some stops in very "difficult" countries such as Pakistan or India. However, 99% of all my custom problems were always in.... my home country!
My taiwanse girlfriend tried to study Portuguese, an international student that wants to learn our lannguage, culture and spend her money here. You would not believe how difficult it is, and worse, it was also difficult for her to leave the country.
Truth is.... is not only immigration law that is outdated or the excess of it, but it is the backward mindset of most of people dealing direct or indirectly with foreigners, starting by Federal Police (my own experience). If we were ever a welcome-to-foreigners nation, we are totally the opposite now, and with "political leaders" not able even to understand basic internal issues, how to expect it will improve? How to say to a foreigner friend "come to Brazil, you will be welcome"?

The problem Allen described is one more example that you will have a nice time in Brazil, being local or foreigner, since you dont depend on any authority, despite the fact they take 38% of the GDP to run their business....
about law or lack of it in brasil
written by forrest allen brown, March 04, 2007
if you know one thing when you are on the ocean , you should have a gun on your boat , brasil being one of the countries that has the most pirates in south america .
but you also should know having a gunn and getting caught with it , in brasil is even worse.

sence this has happend to the roamdeep 17 more boats have been taken by the goverment of brasil in one way or another , and in cabedelo where the roamdeep was robed there has been 9 other foregin boats robed , and nothing done ,

in belem one sailor was found beaten to death on his sail boat and his boat robed he was from germany .

sir peter blake was killed in santana in 2003 on the amazon river

a french man boat was taken in rio grande do sul eh took it back and spent 5 years in jail where he was raped contracted HIV was deported back to france has come back to brasil and is screwing any thing that walks spreading his hiv to the people of brasil

a man and his wife from england , he had a hart attac they placed there boat in a marina in rio went back to england where they sent money to the marina ever month 6 months later they show up and there boat is gone , from the marina they asked the marina staff where there boat was they were told the captian of ports had taken it 2 weeks after they left . when asked why did you not call us and we want our money back , the police were called and they were taken from the marina , they like me lost every thing but they know where there boat is the captian of ports bought it at the tax sale , reflaged it and now has a 55 ft gaff rig sail boat , they went home broke and like me with all there past life stolen , pictures , log books , maps , clothes , tools , when you ask a brasilian about how it happens they look at you and smile hold there hands up and say BRASIL

when dealing with brasilian law remember it is at best selcetive you are a gringo you loose , even if you pay out big money they blead you dry and then drop you like a hot rock

here is a brasil web site in the us try to find any one there that has been done rong in the usa .
www.thebrazilianmuse.blogspot.com
Do They Have Any Oil?
written by da don, March 04, 2007
Sounds like another bunch of JACKASSES that needs the sh_t bombed out of them.
suggestion
written by nesnej, March 04, 2007
I agree you should bring this to the US media. It is an interesting story and sounds like the kind of thing that might actually get picked up by larger newspapers. Brazil hates to lose face, especially if it is going to scare off tourists. Maybe at that point something would be done. In addition I am no expert, but you may want to contact an international maritime attorney, if you haven't already, instead of a Brazilian attorney, since the boat was seized by the Brazilian government they may have some kind of fiduciary duty to safekeep the boat, for a certain time. That would possibly mean you may have some kind of legal recourse against the Brazilian government in the United States court system. Not sure if it is fact, just more or less what I remember from taking international business law classes in college.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US MEIDA
written by forrest allen brown, March 04, 2007
sent letters to all not one picked up on the story .
2 outlets small boating papers ran it just to tell people not to go to brasil in there boats

as they had just reveived a letter from a couple that lost there mast on the trip from south afcria to surnam they pulled into a port just south of recife for repairs
but sence they did not have the proper visa they were told to leave in 24 hours . even going to the US embassy they were still told to leave .
they spent over 2 months getting to trindad ,
there storie was started with
UNLESS THE HAND OF GOD PUSHES YOU TO BRASIL DONT GO

so like some one posted if it does not have legs it will not walk in the news
no course to take brasil in US courts
i am told it has been to long .the case is colsed
the roamdeep is no longer to be found in any of brasilian goverment papers

SO IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE SEE IT IN BRASIL I WOULD LIKE A NAME AND PLACE AS TO WHERE I CAN FIND IT AND TAKE IT BACK MYSELF
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written by alltheway, March 04, 2007
next time, bring a plane, we need a plane, will trade you with a boat
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written by aesaac, March 04, 2007
I'm not being flippent Forrest, but it would make a great film.
good idea
written by forrest allen brown, March 04, 2007
but who would like to play the brasilians .

and casting my dog would be hard

we would have to film in mexico as ever time a film crew comes to brasil all there equipment is stolen

as far as a plane to hard to fly over the amazon no one is there to watch out for the other guy
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written by aesaac, March 05, 2007
there are pleanty of brazilians in miami film in costa rica
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written by bo, March 05, 2007
about law or lack of it in brasil
written by forrest allen brown, 2007-03-04 12:54:58

if you know one thing when you are on the ocean , you should have a gun on your boat , brasil being one of the countries that has the most pirates in south america .
but you also should know having a gunn and getting caught with it , in brasil is even worse.

sence this has happend to the roamdeep 17 more boats have been taken by the goverment of brasil in one way or another , and in cabedelo where the roamdeep was robed there has been 9 other foregin boats robed , and nothing done ,

in belem one sailor was found beaten to death on his sail boat and his boat robed he was from germany .

sir peter blake was killed in santana in 2003 on the amazon river

a french man boat was taken in rio grande do sul eh took it back and spent 5 years in jail where he was raped contracted HIV was deported back to france has come back to brasil and is screwing any thing that walks spreading his hiv to the people of brasil

a man and his wife from england , he had a hart attac they placed there boat in a marina in rio went back to england where they sent money to the marina ever month 6 months later they show up and there boat is gone , from the marina they asked the marina staff where there boat was they were told the captian of ports had taken it 2 weeks after they left . when asked why did you not call us and we want our money back , the police were called and they were taken from the marina , they like me lost every thing but they know where there boat is the captian of ports bought it at the tax sale , reflaged it and now has a 55 ft gaff rig sail boat , they went home broke and like me with all there past life stolen , pictures , log books , maps , clothes , tools , when you ask a brasilian about how it happens they look at you and smile hold there hands up and say BRASIL

when dealing with brasilian law remember it is at best selcetive you are a gringo you loose , even if you pay out big money they blead you dry and then drop you like a hot rock

here is a brasil web site in the us try to find any one there that has been done rong in the usa .
www.thebrazilianmuse.blogspot.com



You don't have to tell me anything forrest, I know all about it. l


It's a f**king disgrace.




But don't worry, they'll get theirs.
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written by aesaac, March 05, 2007
Bill O'Reiley. com at Fox.com is interested in 'Justice' send him your story.
Rednecks attack!
written by A brazilian, March 05, 2007
you should all be ashamed of yourselves for letting this continue to your countyr throughout your history. It is the main thing that keeps Brazil from ever entering the developed world.


The US is a peaceful country full of honest people, starting by their government and politicians and ending with every single little redneck living in some s**tty town. Go to hell!

I laugh so hard of you getting your assess kicked in Iraq. Your government spent billions of tax payer money and the result was chaos.
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written by alltheway, March 05, 2007
You laugh at the US, but the US got exactly what it wanted, military hardware sales, increased taxes, oil. It is not a failure if no one cared about people .. it just looks like a failure to the people because to them it is, to the manipulators who made it happen it always has been AND remains a success, in the end war is a business to those who can make it happen, that's the real life today , the people are used to make the business profitable. Brasil just choose a different business because the war "job" was already taken .
I am going to vomit
written by A brazilian, March 05, 2007
Two possibilities:

- That's actually truth and the United States is built around lies and you are all scum for complying with it;
- Or you are just a loser trying to look like a winner, but ended up looking like a stupid bastard;

What kind of "profitable business" would send americans to die in a war of lies? So the americans soldiers are happy in bein pawns to the manipulators? So are you sending your kids to defend someone else's money? Are you some kind of lemming?
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written by alltheway, March 05, 2007
the sad fact is the kids who are dying are pawns in a bigger "issue", they are the "employees" of the businesses who profit from the wars, it's that simple, if money is the only goal then anything goes, just as the crime in Brasil,.. if money means everything then anything goes, same thing, just a larger and sophisticated scale,worldwise rather that countrywide, bigger crimes, bigger profits, human nature while everyone is looking athe small picture the big picture is manipulating everyone, no great insight to see that, its there to see
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written by alltheway, March 05, 2007
no, american soldiers are not happy to be pawns in war but they are pawns because they tot do not believe it could be happening because of that, but it is, the many suffer for the few, same as in Brasil,= that's all, the few are willing to use everyone else. it gets worse in both countries, no slam agains anyone, just my vie wof current events
3/4 of brasilians are pawns
written by forrest allen brown, March 05, 2007
the US sends its best to save the worst , we should send our senators and congresman . and throw in the news reporters also

but in brasil has killed more people on there own streets than the US has in the war !!!!

so what is your point

most people in the military feel they are doing good ,
go to www.ehowa.com spend some time looking at the pic and vidoes , (NOT THE PORN) you will see it is different than what the news reports .

FOX NEWS WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROAMDEEP TAIL

as far as a movie it would not float as it would show brasilian gov for what it is and the US for what it is not
The Big Picture
written by aes, March 05, 2007
Hey you know the U.S. won the War in Vietnam. The Soviet Union colapsed as a consequence. The Big Picture. What is the Big Picture?
As someone who knows Allen (Forrest)
written by Richard K, March 05, 2007
And has been in Brazil with him and his family - I can tell you the truth is... he was completely and utterly ripped off by the Brazilian Navy and various port authorities up north.

It's definitely worth some further dissemination through the International Press as this is really about blatant theft by a nation's Navy of all things.

They violated International Maritime Law as soon as they denied his visa extension when his boat was not ready for open sea. And they can be held, not only liable for the loss of the boat, but also the loss of revenue since that boat has 'disappeared' into the coffers of some greedy, unscrupulous Brazilian 'officials'. Not only that - if this case starts making major waves in the press (which I assure you I am working on as I have a background in the Media), there could be higher ramifications in terms of 'loss of tourism' and perhaps even a dispute at a higher level between the US and Brazil governments themselves.

As this is a case of the Brazilian Navy stealing a US Flagged vessel one might even construe it as an Act of War.

As for the idiots commenting about the American Military in Iraq - shame on you - what does this have to do with Forrest's story? Nothing. What comes out of your mouth bounces right back in your face as your ignorance is revealed to all. Anonymity tends to create a*****es on the Internet unfortunately. And before you get all huffy, I am a Dutch Canadian, not an American, I am against the War in Iraq, and I am not particularly fond of American Foreign Policy. But that has nothing to do with this case. This is about Brazil. And I have been there - I know Allen (Forrest), I know what went down, and I get a knot in my stomach every time I think about how he was completely f**ked over by 'authorities' in Nordeste.
Richard..
written by bo, March 05, 2007
I wish you both the best of luck in achieving justice. I would love to see it happen, but being a foreigner living in brazil for close to a decade, I seriously doubt it will. Brazil is not real big on justice or enforcing laws. Especially when factions of the gov't., military, etc, are involved.

At least I would love to see you guys achieve some attention by the american and brazilian media.
Let's be more technical:
written by luke, March 05, 2007
Forrest, could you please answer me a few questions:

1- What was the EFFECTIVE cause of your deportation? Can you describe using the technical terms ?
2- What kind of relation did you have with the three robbers (Daniel Williams, Rafael Williams and White Cat) ? Have you met them in advance ?
3- Where exactly was your boat at the time when she was robbed ?
4- "The next day I went to the police chief in Cabedelo, Dr. Alberto do Ezito de Sousa. I reported to him what had happened. I was told by him in front of two witnesses that I would have to pay him US$ 1,500 to open the case." Can you describe EXACTLY under what circumstance he asked you the money ? Can you tell us what the money was for ?
5- "The report I received stated the judge released the suspects and closed the case" Do you have a copy of that report? Can you post it here ?

I am trying to help you, but I will need to know more details in this terrible story.


info LUKE
written by forrest allen brown, March 05, 2007
1- What was the EFFECTIVE cause of your deportation? Can you describe using the technical terms

i over stayed my visa , to make repairs on the roamdeep , and try to get more equipment through coustoms to replace what was stolen whitch is not sold in brasil
under marine law if your boat is unfit for sea you have the right to repair and leave

2- What kind of relation did you have with the three robbers (Daniel Williams, Rafael Williams and White Cat) ? Have you met them in advance ?

no had never met them , they lived in the small town that is at the river where the roamdeep was at ancor

3- Where exactly was your boat at the time when she was robbed

at ancor ,in ther river about 60 meters off shore and in 4 meters of water

4- "The next day I went to the police chief in Cabedelo, Dr. Alberto do Ezito de Sousa. I reported to him what had happened. I was told by him in front of two witnesses that I would have to pay him US$ 1,500 to open the case." Can you describe EXACTLY under what circumstance he asked you the money ? Can you tell us what the money was for ?

he told me that it was a poor police station and he had only a few cars and no money for gass and little money to pay his men to do all the running around it would take to open the case

5- "The report I received stated the judge released the suspects and closed the case" Do you have a copy of that report? Can you post it here ?

will get copy and post here , also typo the court case went to trail in 2006 3 years after the boat was robed and 2.1/2 years after the roamdeep was taken by the brasilian navy

at the trail the laywer asked me for recipts of the equipment that was stolen , i gave them to the judge . i had my laywer sak him where was his proof they owned the equipment , they did not have show proof .

i was also asked to show proof i paid import tax on the equipment , i told them as long as it was on my boat i did not have to pay tax on it . but by his clients taking it off my boat they were lible to pay tax on it

contact duvalfm@gmail.com captbillnbrasil@yahoo.com
Duval was my friend and driver for almost 3 years now
he knows all

bill was the captian of the roamdeep and made several trips to see the captian of ports when i was deported to make sure all was okay
but they lied to him also and took the boat after he complied with all the captain kleber persick asked






the story is TRUE about ROAMDEEP,,,it may sound strange,,but TRUE
written by captbillnbrazil, March 05, 2007
As i was the formerCAPTAIN of the ROAMDEEP for many years,,,,I CAN SAY THE STORY IS TRUE! it may be hard to believe,,,,but it happened as stated,,,,and here it is almost 5 years later and still not finished,,,,sad but true,,,,and to where the ROAMDEEP is?? no one seems to know that answer,,,
i only wish Allan would finally get his just reward ,,it has been long enough!
HAVE A GOOD DAY AND KEEP YOUR EYE ON YOUR ITEMS,,,,

CAPTBILLNBRAZIL,,,,[former CAPTAIN of the ROAMDEEP],
No honor among pirates!
written by Professor, March 05, 2007
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Captain, this story about the ROAMDEEP is makins for a good movie! Probably turn out better than the movie Touristas!

I was told by him in front of two witnesses that I would have to pay him US$ 1,500 to open the case…. “he told me that it was a poor police station and he had only a few cars and no money for gass and little money to pay his men to do all the running around it would take to open the case”


I guess it goes to show you how underfunded the provinces of Rome are here! Or should I say Portugal?

As most Ameri-CANS we expect Brazil to be a country like the U.S. with some sort of logical infrastructure! No no no, it is just not the same!

The most logical choice would have been to pay the US$ 1,500 and just hoped things would have been resolved. However, I would have probably not paid and ended up in the same boat! Or should I say without a boat!

Well you got to pay to learn man! One way or the other!
It just brings tears to me one good eye! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
pay a little pay alot !!!
written by forrest allen brown, March 05, 2007
not as much as they are paying now .

no one will have a thing to do with them
all ther personal life is on display to the whole world .
there cars are always broken down , locks on ever thing are frozen shut , roof leaks , boats in ill repair .

when in roam so do unto others more than they have done unto you !!!!!

and in the eyes of all goverments invloved and thoes not involved it is all a civil matter

for the rest of there lives no matter how short they are they will be paying along with the rest of there familys

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written by alltheway, March 05, 2007
Richard k .. one question .. what ignorance do you think is being revealed ?, can u back up YOUR statement ? for everyone ?
SAD STORY.....SAD TRUTH !!!!
written by ch.c., March 06, 2007
But this is Brazil. And Lula expects to increase their tourism industry. Lula says he is against corruption ! Laugh....laugh !
Lula is proud of the Brazilian (IN)JUSTICE !!!!!

Looks like that I am not alone to say that Brazil is a rotten country, an archaïc and medieval country.

A R E A L T R O P I C A L M U D !!!!!

And as I said many times, if one wants to avoid problems and probably have a higher chance of a longer and happier life........DONT GO TO BRAZIL !!!!!

QUITE SIMPLE....IN MY VIEW !!!!!
tO THE IDIOT WHO WROTE : even in the United States the rich rarely go to jail and very few are on 'death row' !!!!!!
written by ch.c., March 06, 2007
DEAD WRONG IDIOT !
- Ebbers and $ullivan of Worldcom...in jail for many years to come !
- Kozslowsky and anotherguy of Tyco.....in jail for many years to come !
- 2 or 3 people of Enron....in jail for many years to come !!!
- Chief of Imclone....in jail for years and now freee !!
- Martha Steward....in jail for 6 months...now free...for a small insider trading case where she earned less than US$ 20'000.- !
- Quattro of Credit Suisse in NY ., in jail for a few years, now free !
- Chief and his son of Adelphia Comm...in jail for years to come !!!!! Father died recently....in jail !
- Not later than last Friday, 4 people arrested and in jail for dealings and sharing of insiders informations at Wall Street ! A total of 13 people will be investigated. The 4 already arrested recognized of what they have been accused, not yet the others !

Enjoy !
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written by Jorge Cmas, March 06, 2007
I knew Allen Brown and his history and tried to help him. The Brazil is a very dificult country as there is too many rules. But as I am a custum consutant I would like to say that Alan Brown had some chance to make this history less dramatical unfortanly he was to much emotional involved. Hope next time people prefer to pay the fees, keep the boat property and than can try to be refound at the cort.
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written by bo, March 06, 2007
Chief and his son of Adelphia Comm...in jail for years to come !!!!! Father died recently....in jail !




That family is/was filthy rich as well. Saw them get arrested live on the news, lol. Think that would happen to familia Marinho??


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written by Jorge Cmas, 2007-03-05 20:43:16

I knew Allen Brown and his history and tried to help him. The Brazil is a very dificult country as there is too many rules. But as I am a custum consutant I would like to say that Alan Brown had some chance to make this history less dramatical unfortanly he was to much emotional involved.



Can understand what you're saying. But can 100% understand Allan being very emotionally involved. It was not only his house, but how he earned his living!!
TO THE IDIOTS WHO WROTE : American Military in Iraq
written by ch.c., March 06, 2007
iN FACT they are so idiots and with so little brains.....that they dont realize that the brazilians leading the MINUSTAH in HAITI....IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE USA IN IRAQ !!!!!!


No doubt that NONE of these idiots ever read the Haitians news !

Many haitians expect the MINUSTAH to leave the country and they make regular street demonstrations !
Thousands of innocents citizens are killed by the MINUSTAH.
Since in Haïti it is similar than in Iraq, you have the various political factions using gangs to adbuct people, in which MANY CHILDREN AND BABIES !
Worse yet, there were well over 200 people MOSTLY children, who have been killed after abduction by these gangs.

The similarity is that :
- the USA is in IRAQ with a coalition of many countries and the USA lead the coalition ! and they are still there to secure the peace
- the Brazilian army is in Haiti through the MINUSTAH, and the Brazilians leads since they have more than 7000 soldiers in a total of around 9000 !!!!!

But of course, the Brazilian army being so chilly and (un)courageous, prefer to be in Haïti to proclaim the peace and security there !!!! they dont have to face up
a strong ex-army in Haiti !!!! And it is a far poorer country.

The non similarity :
- the USA pays with their own money both its own army and the Iraqi government.
- Brazil is paid 100 % by the UN.And Brazil does nothing (money wise) to the Haitian government, knowing that the Haïtien budget is mostly financed by the USA, EU and Canada.

For your information the annual budget of the MINUSTAH in Haiti is over US$ 550 millions but without need of tanks, air fighters, heavy artillery, etc !

I can only suggest every one to surf in the Net the Haïtians News and read the sad reality !

Yessss the Minustah is accused to have sex regularly with minors children !!!!!!! Knowing that Brazilians represent around 80 % of the "peace" force, no doubt that Brazilians should be responsible for 80 % of these crimes. Crimes that you critic in your own country when done by foreigners, but never when done by Brazilians.

And in Haïti you feel free to act with total impunity the same way you act in your own country. Never yet one soldier has been found guilty.
Curiously when a soldier, Brazilian or not, is accused of such a crime, nothing happens.......EXCEPT THEY ARE SENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY !!!!!!

On a still more acid note : WHY DID YOUR GENERAL COMMIT SUICIDE IN HAITI ?????? Never disclosed yet ! Classified as secret ?
Hummmm........did he have some good time with Haitians children or did he put his 2 hands by stealing and diverting funds in the budget...for his own benefit ??????

In my view, this silence........STINKS !!!!!!!!
ch.c re:idiot who said. . .
written by aes, March 06, 2007
The justice system is racist. While Blacks make up 12 percent of the U.S. population, they make up 48 percent of those on death row. But it's not just the race of the perpetrator that matters; the race of the victim is equally significant. For example, half of the victims of murder in the United States are African American but 85 percent of the people on death row are there for killing a Caucasian.

The overview statistic is rather telling: There have been about 18,000 people put to death since the first execution took place in the United States, and of those 18,000 only 37 have been charged with taking the life of a person of color.

3) The justice system is classist. This is made evident by the fact that there are no billionaires on death row, no millionaires on death row, and the number of those from the middle class on death row is marginal.

So who are these people on death row? They are the poorest of the poor, the most powerless of the powerless.

You use the word 'idiot' with such frequency one would think that you are projecting; that it is an internalized sense of yourself.

Money buys justice, the better the attorney the better the outcome for the defendant.
PLACE WHERE ANY ONE CAN CONTACT THE GOV OF THE U.S.A.
written by forrest allen brown, March 06, 2007
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

RACISTS!
written by real american, March 06, 2007
TO THE ABOVE POST.THE REASON SO MANY BLACKS ARE IN JAIL IN usa.They commit more crimes and more crimes against other blacks.the inner city mentality is very violent,drugs,lack of education,jobs,rapper music,videos etc... If a black man is say insulted.he is more likely to strike someone than say a asian,white or even hispanic person.black people always want to play the race card.they never want to take responsibility for their own actions.blame the white man because they are too lazy to get a job,education,stay off drugs,not listen to crap rappers say.like killing police.in america a black man can say racists comments nothing happens.if a white man says the same comments and he is fired.black people in general talk bad about whites,try to make fun of whites and get mad when whites do the same thing.I really don't have a problem with black people.I am native american and owe black people nothing.they think they got a bad deal.they were taken from a missed up contient to america.indians were run off their own country by white people.blacks have a country to go back to.what do indians have?
give him a ring
written by forrest allen brown, March 06, 2007
83 3228-6169 telephone of police station in cabedelo, where egito "works
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written by bo, March 06, 2007
written by aes, 2007-03-05 22:38:09

Money buys justice, the better the attorney the better the outcome for the defendant.



Won't argue with that statement aes, but, at least in the U.S. there isn't systematic impunity. People do suffer consequences, they go to jail. Death row is something different, and although your stats may be correct, I'm not sure, but have heard similiar ones, when people break the law in the U.S., white, black, purple, rich or poor, there are consequences. We see rich, powerful people go to prison in the U.S. regularly. Here in brazil, they never go, and most of the time never even charged.

Just so you realize what the situation is like in brazil, around 13 years ago the brazilian president, fernando collar, resigned under political pressure for stealing over 200 million dollars, where is he today? Well, after spending the vast majority of his time over the last decade in a 5 million dollar home in miami florida and living a life of an international playboy, he never had to repay the money he stole, he's back in the brazilian congress. The ex-mayor of Sao Paulo, Maluf, stole over 400 million dollars just recently, he was put in jail, for 39 days, has not been made, and will not be made, to repay this money, and where is he today? The brazilian congress.
something brasilian athorites need
written by forrest allen brown, March 06, 2007
they need to carry this in a business card form and have to hand them out
to any one they talk to

· To act with probity
· To treat members of the public with … courtesy, sensitivity to their rights;
· Not to harass a member of the public;
· Not to unlawfully coerce a member of the public;
· To comply with any lawful and reasonable direction given by a person having authority to give the direction
· Not to make comment that he or she is not authorised to make.
Here's what happens even to the filty rich in the U.S.
written by bo, March 06, 2007
Adelphia's John Rigas Sentenced to 15 Years, Son Gets 20
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Mon Jun 20, 2005 at 01:26:51 PM EST
Tags: (all tags)

The Judge in the Adelphia Cable fraud case handed 80 year old company founder John Rigas an effective life sentence today - 15 years. The prosecution had asked for 215 years. His son is being sentenced now.

How's this for mercy?

U.S. District Court Judge Leonard Sand said at Monday's hearing that John Rigas' sentence could be altered after two years, but only if the Bureau of Prisons determines Rigas' life expectancy to be less than 3 months.

Update: Rigas suffers from bladder cancer. I have to say, I'm glad he didn't cower at his sentencing. He knew what was coming and said,

``If I did anything wrong, I apologize,'' said Rigas, speaking in a faint voice before the judge passed sentence. ``It's in your hands, and in God's hands. In my heart and conscience, I'll go to my grave really and truly believing that I did nothing but to improve conditions for my employees.''

Rigas's son Timothy Rigas has just been sentenced to 20 years.
America. Prison Nation.

Here's more:

Jeff Ifrah, co-author of Federal Sentencing for Business Crimes, said he expects John Rigas to die in jail. ``Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the Bureau of Prisons has been extremely inflexible with their compassionate release policy,'' said Ifrah, like Behre, a litigator at Paul Hastings Janofsky & Walker in Washington.

While Sand said prison officials may release Rigas after two years if his death appears imminent, ``I can tell you that they never do it,'' Ifrah said.

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written by aes, March 06, 2007
The collapse of the '.com bubble' necessitated the equitable prosecution of ceo's inorder to 'restore confidence' in the integrity of the market.

It was for this reason that 'penalties befittting the crime' (the economic damage that was done to thousands of peoples lives), were imposed where historically white collar crime penalty was ludicrous in 'federal country clubs'.

So they hung the 'bastards' out to dry. Enrons' ceo died of a heart attack before he could begin his sentence.

The result was that the market recovered. Public faith was restored in oversite, and by consequence the 'apparent' equitability of the market.

They prosecuted because the market demanded it, necessity being the 'mother of' something or other. In this case the heavy imprisonment and million dollar fining of the 'robber barrons'.

They never got it all, but they did cause change to the positive ie. just.
Mr.
written by Mark Santos, March 06, 2007
Allen, what happened to you should never have happened. It's a shame and it's revolting.
It seems like an unfortunate sucession of events turned out for the worse for you.
You also need to ask yourself if you didn't contribute to wah heppened. As a self described world traveller you should have reserched a little more about that part of Brazil. You'd be warned that it is lawless and remote from central government. So allowing your crew to leave and not hiring anyone to protect your boat was in retrospect an unwise decision. I'm not trying to justify the corrupt authorities that made you go through what happened next but somewhere you have to assume a little bit of the responsibility.
Here in the states if I take the road, say, to Alabama I'm aware there'll be redneck troppers on speed traps that'll love to give minorities a hard time.
They'll set up fictitious work zones just to give you a high dollar ticket. If you go to court to contest or ask to go to driving school instead they'll tell you can't because you were speeding on a "work zone".
How many small towns run such schemes were speed traps are the main source of revenues?
What happened to Allen was basically the same stuff that goes on in the US. Prejudiced individuals using their position in authority to oppress a member of the minority because they know they can get away with it. Different circumstances, different sums of money but basicaly the same.
I sympathize with you Allen, but in answer to all those slaming Brasil, take a look at your own country. It has a history of crushing or oppressing minorities.
Examples? The mexicans that lived in California when the americans took over, the resident japanese during and after WWII. The blacks in Oklahoma city during the race war(Not too long ago) among others. So you have a glass roof, and don't say this all happened a long , long time ago. If you opened your eyes you'd see it happen as we type.
Plain and simple.
was there
written by forrest allen brown, March 06, 2007
THERE WAS a brasilian on the boat watching it he was run off by the robers and called the police they never showed up we had to go get them

there was one no the roamdeep when i was deported , the Navy brasil removed him from the roamdeep with threts of jail
get real!
written by Professor, March 06, 2007
What happened to Allen was basically the same stuff that goes on in the US. Prejudiced individuals using their position in authority to oppress a member of the minority because they know they can get away with it. Different circumstances, different sums of money but basicaly the same.
I sympathize with you Allen, but in answer to all those slaming Brasil, take a look at your own country. It has a history of crushing or oppressing minorities
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Since the beginning of the world, worldwide there has been a ”crushing or oppressing of minorities.” A speed trap in the U.S. compared to problems with the ROAMDEEP, are you serious? As for slamming Brazil, continue slamming Brazil because it deserves it!! And as for slamming the U.S. or any other country continue to do so as well; give due to whom due is deserved! Damn Latin mentality is to diminish your sins by finding someone else who has sinned worse. The pattern of justifying slothfulness and corruption. Repent vagabundos!
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written by bo, March 06, 2007
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written by aes, 2007-03-06 11:58:36

The collapse of the '.com bubble' necessitated the equitable prosecution of ceo's inorder to 'restore confidence' in the integrity of the market.

It was for this reason that 'penalties befittting the crime' (the economic damage that was done to thousands of peoples lives), were imposed where historically white collar crime penalty was ludicrous in 'federal country clubs'.

So they hung the 'bastards' out to dry. Enrons' ceo died of a heart attack before he could begin his sentence.

The result was that the market recovered. Public faith was restored in oversite, and by consequence the 'apparent' equitability of the market.

They prosecuted because the market demanded it, necessity being the 'mother of' something or other. In this case the heavy imprisonment and million dollar fining of the 'robber barrons'.

They never got it all, but they did cause change to the positive ie. just.



Well, to me, it doesnt matter WHY it was done, but that justice is being done. Can you say that about brazil?

By the way, I can list the histories of frauds that have occurred over the last 10 years in the U.S., people worth hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, that have went to prison and are in prison, for terms up to 25 years, some of those people have died in jail.

In brazil, steal 400 million, you'll never need to pay it back, and you "may" spend a month in a "special" prison since you have a college degree. Then you'll be released, and return back to the position of "trust" and "authority" that will allow you to steal hundreds of millions more, if you so desire.
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written by bo, March 06, 2007
What happened to Allen was basically the same stuff that goes on in the US. Prejudiced individuals using their position in authority to oppress a member of the minority because they know they can get away with it. Different circumstances, different sums of money but basicaly the same.




You're so full of s**t that you're scared to let a fart! Don't talk that horses**t to me son, I've quite familiar with BOTH places you're talking about, and it's not SYSTEMATIC corruption and broad day robbery in the U.S., it is in brazil, and it happens every week!
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written by Mark Santos, March 06, 2007
Not diminishing brazil's evil. The country has some serious problems. The government is corrupt and inefficient. Crime ismout of control.
However as the saying goes, if you have a glass roof don't throw stones. When Europeans or Asians attack the US I'm the first to defend it, because I hate the hypocrisy inate to sme people.
With that said, there's a lot of corruption going on the US as well, albeit hidden behind a veneer of law, order and respectability. If you don't think so, I have a nice bridge I want to sell to you. I hear a lot of brazilians criticizing the US because they don't wanna see their own faults. I tell them give me a reak. I'm seeing the same here, except americans doing the same to Brazil. Open your eyes! You don't have to go all the way to Brazil to see corruption.
Look at the Pharmaceutical Industry, preventing people from buying cheaper drugs in Canada so they'll make more profits, lobbying to aprove drugs not proven to be harmless or even effective. All these while the FDA conveniently turns an eye. Look at al the trial lawyers extorting moey from big business with the help of corrupt judges. Look at the federal agencies like being manipulated by big interests. Elections are a joke. Precincts are divided in such a way that local elections are decided on primaries. Wake up people. I'll tell you he same thing I'll tell the blind Brazilians because you're blind too.
Go change your own country first before you start complaining about someone else's thousand of miles away!
!!!!!!!
written by forrest allen brown, March 06, 2007
bo you give them a week
most of them if they are awake they are thinking on how to get something for nothing

and thoes that are not thinking that, are thinking how or what they are going to eat

so now gringoes are a minority in brasil and are to be exploited by brasilians because we have some money !!!!!!

(bo) our robers go to jail theres go to congress and then to florida for a rest
Run Forrest run!
written by Professor, March 07, 2007
Forrest, sorry to make light of your dilemmas, but how ironic your luck is! Wife can not get a visa, dog can not get a visa, however at least you did get a visa, so that you come back to Brazil to be tortured. You were stripped naked, your boat was stripped naked, then your boat disappeared, plus I am sure you have been stripped of your $cash$ along the way. I kind of get the feeling that you probably have other stories yet to tell, because it appears like a hell of a run of bad luck!
In my opinion this would make for good movie! Perhaps starring Tom Hanks, a movie somewhere in between Forrest Gump and Saving Private Ryan! Perhaps “The curse of the “ROAMDEEP” or “Forrest goes to Brazil”

I wish better luck for you mate! arrrrrrrrr
TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD
written by forrest allen brown, March 07, 2007
well if all this did not happen to me i would not have found my wife.

it may be pay back for all the killing i did in nam , or just to test me to see if i want to start again

will be going back to brasil very soon in a smaller boat with lots of arms and a will that it wont happen again without some ones life going out .

and me and my wife leaving with the dogs to points other

i am sure i will get some grief over this post but

slurp my butt brasilians if it brothers you fix your country so you wont have to read post like this
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written by bo, March 07, 2007
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written by Mark Santos, 2007-03-06 18:31:35
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Mark, once again, I'll repeat myself. In Brazil they have "systematic" corruption AND impunity. It is NOT the exception, it is the RULE. And sorry to break this to you, but that is NOT the same as in the United States. Tell me something, have you spent time in brazil? Significant time? At least a couple of years?

To illustrate, can anyone show me 10 rich and powerful brazilians that have spent more than 40 days in jail over the last 15 years?

How many rich and/or powerful people do you think can be listed that have gone to prison in the U.S. in the last 15 years? Please, don't try and compare the two countries in terms of corruption and impunity. It does not infiltrate every nook and cranny of american society. Unfortunately in brazil, it does, from the simple traffic cop on the street, to mid-level beaurocrats that you need their signature for whatever, up to congressmen. Matter of fact corruption is so deeply engrained in brazilian society that last year the brazilian federal gov't. conducted a survey of many of their employees and over 90% of them responded that "doing a favor for someone, such as expediting a document, etc, in exchange for some type of "gift", is not a form of corruption". Corruption has permeated every single aspect of life here to a degree that they've torted the very definition of the word.
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written by bo, March 07, 2007
I'll tell you he same thing I'll tell the blind Brazilians because you're blind too.
Go change your own country first before you start complaining about someone else's thousand of miles away!


So Mark, I guess, according to you, if a problem exists in someones home country, they have no "right" to complain about that problem in another country? Even if they live in that "other" country? And even if that "problem", although existing in that persons "home country", doesn't exist in epidemic proportions yet does in the country in question?

Hmmmm, interesting ideology. I guess no one would ever solve any problems with that kind of attitude! And, I guess countries shouldn't ever help other countries when asked, since that would be making their problems, the problems of others as well.
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written by Mark Santos, March 07, 2007
Bo, read my first post again! I'm not excusing Brazil's corruption at all. Just pointing that the US has become corrupt too, just with a different expression. And, yes, it's just as widespread.
Since you live in Brasil I have no problems with you venting your frustrations.
It's not a matter of rights. If someone is worried about COMPLAINING about someone else's problems thousands of miles away instead of DOING something about problems in their OWN backyard they do so with the risk of sounding hopelessly pathetic.
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written by bo, March 07, 2007
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written by Mark Santos, 2007-03-07 11:43:26

Bo, read my first post again! I'm not excusing Brazil's corruption at all. Just pointing that the US has become corrupt too, just with a different expression. And, yes, it's just as widespread.



And that's not only where we disagree, that is where you are wrong. And I can say that without reservation and from experience, in both countries.
to aes, all others, u can ignore
written by alltheway, March 08, 2007
aes, u said russia collapsed because the US won the vietname war, i think u have your history cartoon book upside down if not pls tell me where either "thought" is documented, thx
re: you can ignore. . .all the way
written by aes, March 08, 2007
It was a recent line from a movie. The line said that the U.S. had not lost the Viet Nam War, look at the result.
The Soviet Union had collapsed its strangle hold on the world.

I thought the concept was absurd. But upon reflection realized that the fall of the USSR was a sixty year event. From our betrayal of Hungary, not coming to their defense, to the Berlin blockade, to the Cuban Missile crisis to Korea, to Viet Nam, to Afghanistan. . .not necessarily in that order. . .but that they were all related. . .that each of the events were a battle of a sort in a long protracted war. And that the battle of Viet Nam was 'lost'. . .its loss ultimately was proven to be a strategic consequence of the ultimate fall of the USSR.

The United States outspent over a half century the Soviet Union. . .it was the outspending that led to the implosion of the USSR. . .so this is why the War in Viet Nam was not lost for it was not the War in Vietnam it was the Cold War. . .Vietnam was a battle that was one of the straws that broke the communist's camels back.

I thought it an interesting line of thought. I did not consider it 'comic bookish'. . .but showed how long and involved lines of historical events are. And that because the Battle of Vietnam was fought, it was one of the contributing elements to the collapse of the aspirations of the Soviet Empire the USSR.
Re:All The Way 'thought documented'
written by aes, March 08, 2007
aes
written by A brazilian, March 08, 2007
That's what I call "rewriting history".
to aes
written by alltheway, March 09, 2007
The war and the Koran war had more to do with China than the USSR was my point but read your reply
Hey, at least if you don't like Brazil, you can stay out
written by Julius Brasiliensis, March 10, 2007
Unlike the "Empire", which kidnaps innocent people all over the world and takes them to clandestine prisons to be tortured. If you don't what I'm talking about, watch "Road to Guantanamo".

Once again, the gringos take the prize for hypocrisy, for criticizing other countries for lacking compassion and justice.
The Brazilian authorities are not the only ones worthy of criticism
written by Julius Brasiliensis, March 10, 2007
I will not say anything about the dispute between Mr. Brown and the various other parties, except that if this case is as he alleges, those government officials should be fired, if not go to prison. But on the other hand, I find it amazing that the people who work at the U.S. consulate in Recife refused to do anything about the case. If they're not there to help U.S. citizens in a situation like this, what are they there for?
former CAPTAIN OF THE ROAMDEEP,,,
written by CAPT.BILL CRAWFORD, March 10, 2007

I still would like to know the answer to the question,,,WHERE IS THE ROAMDEEP?
What happen to it after it was tied up at the BRAZILIAN NAVY DOCK in CABEDELLO? Where can you hide a large vessel[ 80 ft] in the area?,,,,and NO ONE seems to know what happened to the vessel,Brazilian Navy,Police etc,,,,it just DISAPPEARED? come on now,,,How can a 80 Ft vessel just disappear? and it was a X- US Navy patrol Vessel as well,,,,
This is one question i would like to know,,,and no one knows the answer!

If you have any ideas let me know,,,,,,,,,

Capt. Bill Crawford
Jullus B
written by forrest allen brown, March 11, 2007
Just fire them would that be fare !! i guess in the myopic brasilian way of seeing things it would be dont admit a thing ,you are never wrong , and if caught be forgiven and let go

the embassy calls every thing a civil matter and can not be invloved in the workings of the brasilian law or politics , unless you are georges daughter in another country , very large company , or like most diplomats with emunity

and with every thing that has happend to me i can tell you if you are a US citisen in a firgin land tell them you are from canada because if you say the USA you will get a hoseing

also all you people with free time watch the waters along the coast of brasil if you see the roamdeep let me or bill know
i will make it worth your trouble if you need a bigger pic will send one to you
allen.roamdeep@gmail.com

by the way am on my way to ecudor next week to start the build on a 97 ft cat boat
closed down place in brasil as last boat haveing to pay the santos crooks , brasilian partener taking his bite , the boat was $156,345 . over buget
so like 27 other forgin compaines that closed in brasil that i know of this year
I AM GLAD NOT TO DO BUSINESS IN BRASIL AGAIN NOT GOING TO PAY ANOTHER DIME TO ANY ONE OF THOES SORRY BASTARDS AGAIN

luke you find out any thing ?????

no help as of yet
written by forrest allen brown, March 17, 2007



Senhores:


Inclua uma lista de itens que eu possuia e perdi no roamdeep durante minha inspeção em 14 nov 2003. É uma lista parcial como não um dia vai por que preciso lembrar algumas coisas que estavam no roamdeep.

Carlos de brasil testemunhou a vocês em ele que foi dito e foi feito ao roamdeep e em sua narração fala dos quadros tomado no roamdeep quando foi apreendido pelo capitão Kleber Persek.

O relatório de polícia arquivado pela marinha do brasil que foi feito quanto o roamdeep foi roubado sob a proteção da marinha do brasil. Isso não foi arquivado nem depois que afastei-me do brasil.

Uma lista do invetário feito pela marinha do brasil com linhas mostrar o que foi roubado, e na mesma lista marcado por estrelas, está o que eu achei estar perdendo fora aquela lista também e não informado à polícia.


Sinto-me como se o que a marinha do brasil fez a mim é meio para fora de linha quando fui ao escritório capitãoKleber Persek, e o perguntei se poderiadeixar o roamdeep enquanto eu viajava , Ele sabia que eu estava sendo deportado e teria algumas pessoaspara tomar conta do roamdeep.

Eu Gostei de trocar algumas palavras e aperto de mãos com um oficial na marinha pois para mim eram pessoas de honra, RAPAZ, EU ESTAVA ERRADO.

KP e seu grupo provaram a mim novamente que a marinha do brasil não era de confiança, em quanto eu os interrogo na razão o roamdeep foi detido, eles listam de não tem nada a fazer com salvar minha situação. fui contactado pelo novo captão que a marinha procurou todos barcos que não encontraram requesitos de segurança mediante a brasil de marinha. o roamdeep foi ancorado com uma pessoa a bordo, descaiu, marcado, e de nenhum perigo a navegabilidade. não é minha culpa que o engenheiros da marinha do brasil não pode começaruma inspeção de motores principais e justo então aconteceu era na desordem, mas quando perguntei por que aí não era qualquer barcos do brasil que levava a multa nem era preso, o novo comadante da captiana me falou que os erros dos outras não justificavam os meus erros . para mim ele é como um grande ladrão que fez descaso com as pessoas que depenaram o roamdeep .

O país brasil e a marinha do brasil roubaram de mim 24 anos de minha vida, meu lar, escritório, e história. e minha capacidade de retornar a meu trabalho

O seu povo roubou todos os meus álbuns de fotografias de família minhas crianças crescendo, fotografias de meu casamento e minha esposa que morreu em 1998. e de minha mãe que morreu en julho de 2000 e a história fotogafica de minhas viagens e trabalho ao redor do mundo.

Preciso receber as fotos que a marinha de fortalazaassim como as que a marinha em cabadelo tirou e as compar para ver o roamdeep que você verá o que um ano nas mãos da marinha fizeram ao barco.

Todos os dias outro peças do roamdeep desaparecem, cordas, fios , encanamento, óleo de motor. o barco de suporte(7metros) depenadoseu seu casco, olhos de ss/reboca, 8 ss/cabo de relógio e locais para amarras. junto com o baleeiro de boston no convés superior umas cordas foram tomadas, e também as cordas do mastro para as bandeiras foram roubadas, eu fui ver o roamdeep e o rêmo do kayak sumiu e o casco jogado.

Espero que qualquer um jamais seja proscuted para isto, e para eu nunca receberei um único pice de minhas coisas de volta, mas o que eu vou fazer é documento dizendo o que aconteceu na minhavinda para o brasil no roamdeep e colocar na internet e enviando a guias de cruzeiro ao redor do mundo para que nenhuma pessoase sinta segura e que receberá o mesmo tratamento como recebi no brasil e suas leis.


Allen Brown

Roamdeep

short list of stuff stolen off the Roamdeep
written by forrest allen brown, March 17, 2007
ey allen

the prices are close the reality...just the picture from space you told me your uncle's son give to you , the rest of the stuff looks like good

talk you later

duval





>(1) 2 6mm lâmpada florencente12 volts vermelha e branca R$140

>(1)15'ventilador preto 12 volts R$175

>(1) carregador vermelho 12 volts 15 AMPS R$165

>(1)gerador de ventos R$ 98

>(2)radio amador VHS 12 volts amarelo e verde R$770

>(4)baterias grandes 12 volts 17 750 AMPSR$560

>(1)recarregador de lanternas grande R$280

> (1)antenas do GPS branca R$560

>interfone 12 volts para 8 quartos COR creme R$ 200

>(5)175 cartas de navegação R$4.375

>(4) aubom de fotografias ,a mesa de navegação e livros de navegação R$6.250

>(1)equipamento de emergecia e quatro caixas de som R$435

>

>compartimento em baixo da cadeira do captão

>(1)correntes ,ancoras ,guincho eletrico para ancoras nova R$ 15.640

>(1) 2 caixas de ferramentas com a marca SNAPPON,,KLIRE,,CRAFTMAN,,,MATECO FLUKE METROS ,6MM 12 'MM R$ 3.980

>(2) cordas para tracaçao 5''mm 60 metros R$600

>(3) vasos para portar água numa caixa cinza 60cm x30 x38 R$ 875

>(4) 22 litros A epoxi R$ 322

>(5) 22litros B eposxi r$ 350

>(6) caixa com s/s para barcos R$ 2.735

>(7) NO QUARTO GRANDE

>(smilies/cool.gif eluminaria de bronis para montar paredes R$616

>(9) uma mesa 142 mmx32x121,R$ 1,120

>(10) antena vhf 2 metros shakspheer R$675

>(11) NO BANHEIRO

>(12) lâmpada florecente 12 volts branca e vermelha R$ 140

>(13) um chuveiro de 110 volts R$ 98

>(14) bomba depurão elétrica preta R$ 120

>(15) QUARTOS PEQUENO

>(16) lanpadas florecentes 12 volts branca e vermelha R$ 140

>(17) interfone 12 volts R$ 70

>(1smilies/cool.gif um colchão R$310

>(19) NA SALA .

>(20) lâmpadas florecetes 12 volts branca e vermelha R$140

>(21) uma foto de satélite 60mmx90M R$ 150my girl think this pic is minimum $1.500,00

>(22) interfone 12volts R$70

>(23) porta varas de pesca R$650

>(24) cortinas para janelas 133x82 R$ 475

>(25) BANHEIRO

>(26) Lâmpadas forecentes 12 volts branca e vermelha R$140

>(27) Porta toalha s/tR$135

>(2smilies/cool.gif A farmácia do banheiro R$125

>(29) COZINHA

>(30) Lâmpada anti esplozão R$616

>(31) lâmpada florecete branca e vermelha 12 volts R$ 140

>(32) tabua de carne 46mmx61mm R$ 160

>(33) interfone 12 volts R$70

>(34) 3 portas toalhas s/t R$ 420

>(35) 12 volts bomba elétrica para porão R$420

>(36) conveis

>(37) 20 barril de 220 litros 8 azul 12 brancos R$1.120

>(3smilies/cool.gif barril 39 litros 2 azul 1 prata R$ 126

>(39) 5 barril 22litros 2verde 2prata 1 vinho R$70

>(40) 25 metros de mangueira preta R$ 150

>(41) 15de mangueira branca R$100

>(42) 122x122x12 t 6061 de alumínio R$770

>(43) 30 quilos de estabilizador R$750

>(44) 30 quilos de ganchos para trancacões R$ 420

>(45) correia de carregamento branca R$ 350

>(46) correia de carregamento 100 toneladas R$1.500

>(47) NA PARTE DE TRAS DO BARCO

>(4smilies/cool.gif Lâmpada florecete 12 volts branca e vermelha R$140um folgão com 5 chapas s/t R$2.900

>(49) um abridor de garrafas R$35

>(50) bóias de salva vidas w/ luz 12 volts R$ 750

>(51) 100 metros de corda R$95

>(52) compressor duitz disel 225psa vermelho R$630

>(53) um tanque de baixa precão 1metro x86mmR$475

>(54) bower 2,5cfm 3.500psa elétrico 110 volts R4.200

>(55) 3 cena de filtro R$325

>(56) 10 tanques de água de plástico vermelho 22 litros R$420

>(57) um capacete super light 17 A amarelo R$26..600..0

>(5smilies/cool.gif um 7/5mm bomba Tell 5 hp B&S motor /mangueira R$1,820

>(59) um 5mm bomba Tell 21/2 hp B&S motor /mangueira R$ 975

>(60) 264 Klios chumbo de barras R$ 1,225

>(61) outra caixa de emegencia R$1.200

>(62) uma bomba da água manual um metro R$ 300

>(63) uma mquina de solda 225 amp Miller disel R$7.840

>(64) lâmpadas florecets 12 volts branca e vermelha R$140

>(65) um cesto com muita coisas no valor de R$ 750

>(66) um metro de alumínio grande R$650

>(67) uma corrente vermelha ridged e outra mas pequena R$485

>(6smilies/cool.gif uma lixadeira elétrica cor prata R$475

>(69) equipamentos para gerador reserva R$ 6.500

>(70) um bandit tool w/2 caixas clip e strap R$630

>(71) 2 caixas de ferramentas com muita ferramentas R$4.200

>(72) furadeira de impacto R$ 5.60

>(73) 5 lanpadas anti esplosão R$ 1,540

>(74) 2 lâmpada florecete 12 volts branca e vermelha R$280

>200 litros de óleo para motor R$2660

>4.00.00 litros de dizel R$3.85

>200 metros de fios R$300

>7 metros de fios amarelo R$ 175

>7 metros de fios cor prata R175

>uma bancada dobrável R$375

>esfregão para óleo R$550

>2 conjunto de chaves de boca R$1.225

>uma FURADEIRA elétrica 3/8 skill R$ 375

>um jogo de rodanas R$ 325

>2 16 mm a Catarina a talha móvel ogancho R$ 1.200



another letter sent but not replyed to
written by forrest allen brown, March 17, 2007
Prezado Senhores,
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>
>
> Esta carta é uma resposta para lhes informar sobre seu pedido para demais informações.
>
> M/V ROAMDEEP é um 27 metro USN YP 670 com 3 outros embarcações de suporte com capacidade de manter 10 pessoas por 10 dias sem reabastecer, é equipado para mergulho e resgate ou salvamento, com alto e baixo compressores, lançando até 8 mergulhadores na água no mesmo tempo, tem SSB radio, vhf, SEA MAP no comp**ador, gps, e sob água câmeras de vídeo com sistema infra-vermelho, tudo funcionando para 5 anos com grande sucesso nas missões.
>
>1. Roamdeep tinha todas as luzes de navegação quando em Cabedélo, não era até a marinha fez exame que a própria marinha as roubou do barco, mas quando eu mostrei o foto que fiz quando meu exame na doca, as luzes de navegação depois apareceram de volta.
>
>2. Os mapas e as cartas estavam no barco quando a marinha teve meu homem abre o barco para eles à inspeção dele, a marinha “fez exame” de todas as cartas, compasso, e registros fora do barco e nunca derem nada de volta, sumiram todos as mapas e as cartas.
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>3. O equipamento bombeiro era no barco, acordo com as regras de Coast Guard USA, e era aprovado nos outros pontos de entrada no Brasil, agora alguns do equipamento esta a faltando devido ao roubo das mãos da marinha do Brasil.
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>4. As marcas da linha de carga não são requeridas em uma embarcação do ABS nos EUA, e também não era um problema em nenhuns outros portos em Brasil.
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>5. As eletrônicas foram guardadas fora do barco por mim para protegê-las dos ladrões na área, tenho-as em minha casa.
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>6. O barco não era um perigo à navegação porque era bem dentro 15 metros da costa, no lugar exato onde o capitão dos portos me disse pôr lo.
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>7. Quando recebeu um pedido, meu homem colocou uma bandeira no Roamdeep no dia seguinte.
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>Os quais eu quero saber são,
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>Porque os barcos de comercial brasileira que trabalham no rio e na baía não têm que ter as mesmas coisas seu capitão fizeram exame de meu barco para.
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>Nenhuns deles têm bandeiras, equipamento de resgate, equipamento bombeiro, barcos salva-vida, alguns não têm mesmo as luzes da navegação funcionando, se que o tem em qualquer forma.
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>Tendo em vista essas trespassas, se eu tenho que acreditar que o Brasil não está tentando roubar meu barco de mim, favor explique para me a diferença.
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>Também porque o receita federal não me deixa pagar a multa de R $1,000 por mês? Mas insiste que eu pago tudo de uma vez só?
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>E porque a marinha queira-me pagar por segurança no barco, quando foi roubado 2 vezes quando nas mãos dela, com a perda ao menos de 53.000 dólares de equipamento, e do combustível de 1.500 galões e dos 78 galões de óleo do motor.
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> É minha opinião que a marinha quer meu barco para fazer vigilância no porto, porque não compra-o apenas numa maneira honesta, em vez de tentar afastar o de mim por decepção.
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>Por só 175.000 dólares é todo seu.
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>No 4 de março 2002 que meu barco era roubado do equipamento que eu estava usando nos reparos, eu prestei queixa com delegado Alberto do Egito Souza quem não fez nada, mas pede que eu pago 1.500 parar começar o processo. Eu encontrei um delegado bom quem fez de graça, era seu trabalho, Processo# 0732003012983-4 O juiz deu julgamento na dia 16, setembro 2003. Senhor Egito até agora não prendeu Daniel os seus amigos.
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>Em só 10 semanas, quatro barcos foram roubos na área de Senhor Egito e nem um era resolvido. Tudo tem que deve fazer é apenas se sentar para trás e espere até os vistos dos barcos estão vencendo e então quando eles vão embora é joga a papelada no lixo.
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>Esta área do mundo é já conhecida como um lugar para evitar indo para ajuda, se seu barco for quebrado, Pois não é se você estaria roubado, é quantos vezes e por quem.
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>E se o país toma meu barco, estará roubando minha casa, meu escritório, e minha plataforma de trabalho para esses cinco anos,
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>Olha por favor, esses assuntos para seu próprio bem, e também para sua pátria.
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>Allen Brown
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more info
written by forrest allen brown, March 17, 2007
I am writing this in hopes that some one in your organization may be able to help me with a problem I am having with the seizure of my boat the RV/ROAMDEEP,

It was laying at anchor in Cabadelo PB Brazil. It was taken buy the captain of ports in that city with out any excuse to my wife, or me as to why it was sized.



I took the Roamdeep from Trinidad to Sao Louis Brazil arriving there on the 3 Sept 2002 where we cleared all documents for entry to and also to leave there to go south to Louis Cerra then down to Fortalaza and Natal and to finish up in Cabadelo where we cleared in with out problems.see documents in package .



Upon closer inspection by Cabadelo Nautica Ltda the Roamdeep had incurred some damage to its fore deck and bow from the trip down and was deemed not sea worthy for the trip father south .at this point we took the letter of damages to the captain of ports in Cabadelo he said it would be okay to do the repairs there we then went to the police fredral with the letter and were told buy police sergeant Geraldo Gomes the boat could stay but I would have to leave the country to have my viza extended. So on the 1 march 2002 I left Joao Passoa .



I got as far as Bahia when Carols called me and told me that my boat had been robed when he went home for the night, so I went back to the boat and held a inventory of all things missing after I did it in English I went to a friends home to have it done in Portuguese, then called the police frerdial which was closed for carnival march 4 2002 the next day I called and talked to a police federal and he told me that they did not do that type of law I needed to go to the delegado in Cabadelo to report the crime , we did Shara and I went to see the delegado Ezito in Cabadelo sarha told him what had happened and we gave him the inf. and a estimate of 10.000 dollars worth of tools and material they had taken , and whom we thought did the theft , at that point he looked at me and told me it would be 1500 reals to do the case . I asked why, if he was police, I had to pay to have the crime investigated, he just looked at me and said Brazil. Most all the things they took off the boat was what I brought down to work on the boat, and tools you cant get in brazil, so work on the boat cane to a stand still till I can have more things shipped to me.

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written by forrest allen brown, March 17, 2007
Miss Batista

Look at thies case numbers and tell me if there is justice in brasil for me . I THINK NOT.

#073200312983-4 My boat was robed and the delegado alberto od egito did nothing except want me to pay him $1.500r ot open the proess. i found out whom did the robery and brought fourth evendence to thet fact he still did nothing , when a judg ordered him to pick up the poeple he told me he had no men , or gas , or car , then next he did not know where they lived , when i told him he told me he could not get them as they were no longer in his eary .
BRASIL CALLS THIS JUSTICE yes they do .

After that i went to the press to days after the paper came out i was tolled by sgt geraldo of police fedral i had to leave the country as i had been here to long .

I told him the reason i was still here was when the Roamdeep was rober they took over $10.000 us worth of equipment i needed to repair the roamdeep , HE Did not care he just shurged his sholders and smiled as said Brasil . but he gave me a fine of $827 r for over staying here in brasil , whitch was paied at the airport in sao palo before i left , and to date it has not been taken off my record and is holding up my paperwork for my ID here .vevn if you screw up it is my fault ...NO JUSTICE ON THE FEDRAL LEVEL .

I went to the navy Brasil to see if it was okay to leave the roamdeep in port while i was gone Capt Kleber Pessek . Duval & I asked him what i could do he told me not to worrie the Roamdeep could stay in port till i got back , i sat about doing what he said moving the roamdeep closer to the bank placing it on the edg of the anchorage , and paying a person to watch the roamdeep while i was gone . i left brasil thinking all was well my brasilian wife was here , the captian of the roamdeep was here and nino was watching the roamdeep . How stupid could i have been trusting a Brasilian working for the gov brasil .

A few weeks after leaving brasil my wife called me stating somthing was wrong about the boat , almost every day the navy Kleber Pessek called wanting somthing else done about the roamdeep it was all taken care of , Capt Bill Crawford of the roamdeep even went to see kleber pessk to check things out , he was told all was okay .he lied within a week he took the roamdeep as abandon . #479-2003-CPPB sence then he has changed his story 3 different times on why the roamdeep was stolen by the navy brasil and receita federal .

Under Int law a vessel unfit for sea can stay in port and do repairs without worries of being sized or fined , NOT IN BRASIL they are not part of that world .

The navy striped the Roamdeep of what they towed it to cabedelo left it unlokced and unguared where it was robed 2 more times , , the navy did a invitory leaving off what they wanted , took digital pictures of the roamdeep , but for some reason they were lost .

When i returned to brasil i found that the roamdeep was a shell of the boat i once owned most every thing of value had been taken or broke , even to the point of them striping the wire and plumbing off the boat .

I sat about looking for the person to speak to all i was told was pay the muta , i offered to pay it out and was told by Joes Lopes Da Silva no pay it all or nothing , when i asked to go to get my personal pictures of my kids groing up , my wifes pictures whom had died in 1999 after 24 years of marrige , my mothers pictures who died in 2000 . and all my tax info and other stuff .
I was told no by him , as it was part of the boat , ANOTHER WAY OF GETING MONEY OUT OF THE GRINGO BY BRASIL GOV.

So to date in Brasil i have lost every thing that i worked 30 years for all my history is gone.
my way of life has gone from making $16.000us a mounth to making $1.000r a mounth here in brasil , you have taken my way of life and my wife & kids way of life also .

So when i saw in the O Estado De S. Paulo you wanted rich gringoes to invest in brasil .
I though i would tell you it aint going to happen as long as i have this computer , I have written letters to every majior news paper in the world and they have been published , i also do web mail , place itims in www.gringoes.com and have handed out over 10.000 hand outs in fetur in spain to keep tourtist drom comming here a suffering the same fate as me .

So you can start to deal with me and give me justice or you will have to deal with me and loose money all the way around .

If you want to talk to me email me and we can show you every thing or you can do like every one else in the gov brasil and laugh . BUT I WILL GET MY JUSTICE

Allen Brown



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written by Richard K., March 23, 2007
Gannett News Service - Mike Madden, Washington Correspondent mmadden@gns.gannett.com Phone: (202) 906-8123; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Sioux Falls Argus Leader below)

Gannett News Service - Deborah Mathis, White House Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 906-8100; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Jane Norman, Washington Correspondent jnorman@dmreg.com Phone: (202) 906-8138; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Des Moines Register below)

Gannett News Service - Ana Radelat, Washington Correspondent aradelat@gns.gannett.com Phone: (202) 906-8128; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Jackson Clarion-Ledger below)

Gannett News Service - Susan Roth, Washington Correspondent sroth@gns.gannett.com Phone: (202) 906-8130; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Katherine Scott, Washington Correspondent kscott@gns.gannett.com Phone: (202) 906-8132; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Lansing State Journal and Norwich Bulletin below)

Gannett News Service - Brian Tumulty, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 906-8100; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934

Gannett News Service - Carl Weiser, Washington Correspondent cweiser@gns.gannett.com Phone: (202) 906-8134; Fax: (202) 906-8200; Address: 1100 New York Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005-3934 (see Cincinnati Enquirer below)

Hearst News Service - Gary Martin, Washington Correspondent (no e-mail given) Phone: (202) 943-9237; Fax: (202) 333-1184; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see San Antonio below)

Hearst News Service - Charles Pope, Washington Correspondent charliepope@seattlepi.com Phone: (202) 943-9229; Fax: (202) 298-7862; Address: 1701 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20006 (see Seattle below)
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written by forest Brown, March 27, 2007
meu nome ;Maria de fatima marques brown....

quando a receita federal aprendeu o ROAMDEEP eu estava morando no bairro cabo branco PB ..
o rogerio mais conhecido como roger ele procurou o capt: bill e falou que a marinha esteve olhando o ROMDEEP,, foi o roger que tanbem me procurou quando a receita aprendeu o ROAMDEEP
o reger me perguntou se eu estava com os documentos do roamdeep ,nao eu nao estava porque o allen sempre levava com os documento e nu dia que ele foi deportado os documento do barco foi junto ,mesmo asim fomos a receita federal para mais imformacoes, e o delegado nos falou que eu nao podeia fazer nada por que eu nao tinha nem uma altorizacao do allen para assumir a responssabilidade do barco que eu precisava de uma procuracao asinada pelo allen so asim eu poderia tomar afrente do prosseso e que eu so tinha um mes para providenciar todas as docomentacoes nessarias ,entao foi quando eu perguntei ao delegado porque o barco estava sendo aprendido ele simplesmente respodeu poque o dono o abadonou entao retornei como ele abadonou o barco se eu que sou a espousa dele fiquei tomando comta ate ele voltar ,(se voce estevesse com os documentos ai sim voce poderia ta tomando comta do barco)...

entao eu e o roger voltamos pra casa falamos com o allen na epoca que o allen me emviou os documentos do roamdeep os correios estavam em greve entao os documentos nao chegaram na epoca foi quando o allen voltou ate essa altura as coisas ja tinham saido do comtrole ....

mais bem antes de tudo isso acontecer o capt:bill , duval e o nino foram trocar as bandeira uma do brasil e a outra u.s.a a do brasil porque ela estava muito pequena asim falou o capt: da marinha de joao pessoa do jeito que o capt: pediu nos fizemos trocamosas bandeiras checamos o barco se estava tudo em ordem e voltamos pra casa ,,um mes depois meu espouso perdeu seu barco sua vida seu trabalho e tudo que ele tinha no barco ate seus perteses pessoais que ele nao pode recuperar de volta...

Maria DE Fatima Marques Brown

Another country that doesn't like the USA
written by CaptainChris, March 28, 2007
As a captain of a large yacht I have to be aware of situations like this. I have dealt with authorities in many different countries and had to deal with some really untrustworthy characters in the process. But one of the worse countries I have ever had to deal with is the USA. I do everything legally, yet I still have managed on one occasion to get a $3500 fine (which I contested and did not have to pay). This was because the US official did not know his job, and certainly didn't like me telling him how to do it!!!!
My point being, if I a totally legal british citizen with US visas and all my crew also with visas have so much trouble with the US, imagine how Brazilians feel? So I suspect there is alot of anamosity over there towards the USA in general. Just note this quote from the news 'Thousands of trade unionists, students and activists from Brazil's large landless movement have demonstrated against Bush, who is almost universally loathed in Brazil.'
Capt Bill C. / Forrest
written by simpleton, April 01, 2007
"and it was a X- US Navy patrol Vessel" - look to the private moorings in or near Rio. This boat or one like it was apparently doing tour cruise around sugar loaf / Copacabana shoreline a little over one week ago.
X-CAPT OF ROAMDEEP,,,,
written by CAPTBILLNBRAZIL CRAWFORD,,THAN, April 08, 2007
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP ,,,WILL LOOK UP THE VESSEL AND SEE IF IT IS THE OLD ROAMDEEP,,,,,,RIO HERE I COME! ALWAYS DID LIKE TO SEE RIO FROM THE WATER,,,,
bit late
written by simpleton, April 11, 2007
Sorry the info appears to have been received so delayed. Do take care should you locate her. She is obviously equiped / re-equiped to see you coming and based on the garb of the party folk on board no doubt there is much money involved (which means she's likely heavily guarded and armed to the gills). Got an old pic you can post for visual confirmation of stuctural arrangement?
ALLEN MENTIRA TEM PERNAS CURTAS
written by INVESTIGADOR, January 16, 2008
Eu conheco a historia do ROAMDEEP,
este barco saiu de Porto Rico, onde seu proprietario Allen Brown trabalhava como mecanico de um FERRY BOAT, no fim do servico ALLEN BROWN e sua tripulacao robou todo equipamento e bebidas que havia no Ferry, Allen era procurado pela policia local. Dai comecou sua pirataria em todo o Caribe ateh chegar ao Brasil.
ROAMDEEP e sua tripulacao desentendero no caminho, chegando em Trinidade & Tobago alguns tripulantes deixaram o ROAMDEEP. Allen consegui novos tripulantes um ingles que ja tinha sido deportado do Brasil; ROAMDEEP chegou no Brasil no estado do Amapa, ficando lah por quase dois meses sem fazer a documntacao de entrada no Pais "CLADESTINO" Depois do Amapa porssegui para o estado Para, em senguida para o estado Ceara fazendo varais paradas no caminho sem conhecimentos das autoridades brasileira, em Fortaleza fez sua primeira entrada oficial no pais depois de um prazo de tres meses CLANDESTINO,prossegui para o porto de Natal sem fazer a entrada na quele porto e dai entao o tao falado PORTO DE CABEDELO, nesta localidade o ROAMDEEP foi chamado atencao por falta de registro nos portos de parada e por documentacao inregular, aqui neste comeca a saga de ALLAEN, envolvimento com prostituicao no estado do PARA, com causa terminada na SETIMA DELEGACIA DE CABEDELO, trafego de Armas pesadas de Calibrie proibido no Brasil, envolvimentos com traficantes local e prostituicao, permanencia alem da que permitida por lei (STATUS ILEGAL) foi pego trabalahndo sem premissao preso novamente e por ultimo acusado de roubo de equipamento de sonorizacao de uma casa noturna de Joao Pessoa, sem falar que o roubo do ROAMDEEP foi feito por seus comparsas.
O ROAMDEEP FOI DECLARADO ABANDONADO POR FALTA DE DOCUMENTACAO E RESPONSAVEIS LEGAL NO BRASIL, O CAPT.BILL SE AUSENTOU DE QUALQUER RESPONSABILADE COM A EMBARCAO.
A DECLARACO DA CABEDELO NAUTICA QUE ALLEN TANTO FALA, FOI FEITA DEPOIS DA APREESNCAO DO ROAMDEEP,SEGUNDO BRIAN STEVES PROPRIETARIO DA CABEDELO NAUTICA LTDA.
Allen
ROAMDEEP LOCALIZACAO
written by INVESTIGADOR, January 16, 2008
O ROAMDEEP, DESDE QUE FOI CONFISCADO CONTINUA AS MARGENS DO RIO SANHOUA, NAO RESTANDO MUITO DA MBARCAO QUE FOI ABADONADO PELO SEU PROPRIETARIO QUE TINHA A GUARDA SEM PODER RETIRA-LA DAQUELE PORTO QUE SE ENCONTRA.
MAIS UMA MENTIRA DE ALLEN BROWN.
IF ANY BODY NEEDS TRANSLATION INTO ENGLISH LET ME KNOW !
flipping americans
written by peterfacci, May 08, 2008
i have entered brazil via yacht and into cabadelo, the navy, local police and federal police were stern but very helpfull. I did not have a visa at all and needed one, they sent me on the bus to argentina where i got my visa and had a graet time in brazil for some months having no problem extending my visa. IF YOU ARE AN a*****e AMERICAN THAT THINKS HE IS A BIG DEAL YOU WILL GET SCREWED IN BRAZIL all that is required is some respect for other cultures and an ability to adapt to the situation.
Looking for boat to take me and my two dogs from the US to Brazil
written by Dog lover, October 15, 2008
I'm moving to Brazil but don't want to ship my dogs by plane as they'll have to travel as cargo. I'm looking for someone who travels to Brazil to take me and my two dogs to any port on Brazilian soil, preferably a location close to Sao Paulo. I would appreciate any info on this.
Piratas
written by Delta, February 02, 2010
Bom trabalho investigador,eu lendo esta estoria toda fiquei chocado,mas tambem bastante desconfiado,resta saber se nao ha nada mais de precioso imbutido em algum lugar da embarcacao.Alem de que,emporcalhar a nobre Marinha do Brasil e a PF desta forma e digno de repulsa.
The truth
written by skarrlette, June 13, 2011
Read the actual history of Brazil--ITS A MESS- The US is way more efficient and people have way more rights and the US has a much stabler government. Comparing the two is ridiculous. Brazil has one of the highest corruption rates the world. While all countries have problems Brazil surpasses a lot of them. Its still a developing nation its infrastructure is not good rarely does money trickle down to the sectors its suppose to go to i.e health care industry, education and others (check the numbers). Corruption is a way of life heck everyone bribes its called "jetto" heck even kidnapping used to go on there, the prisoners have cell phones and conduct business from inside jail.

I understand people want to defend Brazil but your government is not efficient how many time has it switched between democracy to a military state? Brazil's history is extremely unstable. Your Real (money) was changed how many times (unstable), you had horrendous inflation in the 80's almost 200%, your economy does not have a history of being stable, only recently have foreign investors decided to start investing again in this country and tentatively. It was a military dictatorship til the mid 80's when censorship was practiced and thousands of artists and Brazilian intellectuals had to leave the country because they were being silenced and harassed by the military police. There was also a curfew and the military roamed the streets. It is going to take years to fix the mess that was created in this country, if it can ever be fixed. The justice system does not work (inefficient). You need money to run a country and if its always being put into a politician pocket how can you set up a working infrastructure that services the people? Lula had one of the most corrupt presidencies so far half of congress was caught taking money and they are still coming out of the woodwork check the news. The education system is lacking the health care industry is lacking.

People aren't trying to pick on Brazil on purpose its just that these are the facts this is history you can't refute it. For this country to move forward and change things you have to accept the truth and the past and try to make it better now.
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written by Smart Gringo, October 12, 2011
I have read this thread with interest - I am English my wife Brazilian and we live in the UK. We have many Brazilian friends in the UK and not one of them wishes to return to Brazil reinforcing what many have said on this thread.

My wife and I have had several experiences of our own

Several years back when my step daughter was still in Brazil my wife organized a birthday party for her through an organizer in Sao Paulo. As soon as the organizer realized that my wife lived in the UK he immediately inflated all his prices. As soon as my wife declined his services he began threatening stating that he had contacts with the Red Brigade and that he knew where our daughter lived etc. My wife was very concerned and contacted the Brazilian Police - threats must be taken very seriously over there.

The second incident happened when my wife was visiting her family in Sao Paulo and was having some dental work done by her previous dentist in Brazil. As soon as they knew she was living in the UK they botched the dental work, inflated the price and refused to let my wife leave the surgery until she had paid in Euro's.

We have had a series of other incidents sending presents or money to her family in Brazil - stuff missing in the post, packages arriving opened, money vanishing from bank accounts. Tracking is an impossibility and responsibility for anything in that place is non existent.

My wife comes from the North East originally and has family connected with political figures. The things she has told me about corruption and even murder of rivals is nothing short of a Hollywood script - another friend of mine a Marine Biologist has spent much time in Brazil and was in a bar one night in Belem when a gunfight broke out. He said it was like something in a western.

A good friend who was a Diplomat for British Trade in Brazil several years back - and is now elsewhere in Latin America, currently in a very high profile position enough said...He advised me against ever investing money or attempting to start a business in that part of the world. In his own words - as a Gringo you will get seriously f**ked over! The amount of times he had to advise UK businessmen of the realities of investing in that region of the world.

Britain has issues and corruption exists but nothing like the levels one sees in Brazil.
re:
written by Lee Shin, June 04, 2013
spot on with this write-up, i like the way you discuss the things. i'm impressed, i must say. i'll probably be back again to read more. thanks for sharing this with us.

Lee Shin
www.trendone.net

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