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Brazil Discovers the World of Open Capital and Is Making Money PDF Print E-mail
2007 - March 2007
Written by Alexandre Rocha   
Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:45

Brazil's beverage company Ambev one of the most profitableThe number of Brazilian companies that opened their capital between 2004 and March this year has reached 50. It is a very expressive datum, given the fact that very few processes of this type happened in previous years: there was just one a year in 2000, 2001 and 2002 and none in 2003.

"And during the entire 1990s, only six or seven companies opened their capital," said the company relations superintendent at the São Paulo Stock Exchange (Bovespa), João Batista Fraga.

According to Fraga, the figures reveal a trend that is cause for enthusiasm, because on the one hand they show that an increasing number of investors is seeking to do more business, and on the other hand, they show that companies are more interested in capturing funds in the capital market. "The market is playing its role, working the way it should work," Fraga said.

These motions resulted in a "virtuous circle", with shareholders showing increased interested in the actual businesses of companies, better share pricing, and increased issuing of bonds by companies. The possibility of obtaining funds in a more flexible manner, according to Fraga, leads some companies to invest and make acquisitions that they otherwise would not make.

Until recently, though, things were different. Changes in the segment started taking place in 1999, when the stock exchange diagnosed that, in general, "more sophisticated" investors were aware that the Brazilian capital market had low quality because the rules in effect did not ensure several shareholder rights.

From then on, different market levels were created, and in order to belong in the next level, companies are forced to raise their corporate governance standards, to create a more balanced environment regarding share management, and to provide company information with more transparency.

The highest level is New Market ("Novo Mercado"), followed by Level 2 and Level 1 and, finally there is the traditional stock exchange. The higher the standard, the higher the requirements.

Thus, companies that choose these stricter models are not as prone to being affected by oscillations caused by companies with a poorer corporate profile, they will not go down along with everyone else.

Proof of that is the fact that Bovespa created an exclusive index for those companies, the Corporate Governance Index (IGC). Last year, the IGC appreciated by 41.3%, against 32.9% for Ibovespa, which is the main index in the Brazilian Stock Exchange, and is comprised of shares of companies in different levels.

Agribusiness

According to Bovespa, the companies that open their capital now are already entering the New Market. This is the case with Cosan, the largest company in the Brazilian sugar and alcohol sector, which entered the stock exchange in 2005. The company obtained 885 million reais (US$ 429,5 million) by issuing shares, an amount that was invested in the acquisition of three new industrial units.

Currently, according to Fraga, more than 20 companies in Brazil are in the process of opening their capital. One of these companies, also in the agribusiness sector, is JBS, owner of the Friboi slaughterhouse, the country's largest. This month, the company presented a preliminary prospect for a public offering of its shares in the value of 2.2 billion reais (US$ 1 billion). This is a traditionally closed sector, which is now opening up to the stock market.

On the other hand, 52 companies that used to belong in the traditional stock exchange have migrated to the highest levels. One such example is that of Embraer, an airplane manufacturer, which is now part of the New Market. The possibility of attracting funds for investment under more favorable conditions was one of the factors that led the company to make this decision.

"The features of Embraer's business requires, with every product launch, to have access to the capital market, in order to capture funds at more competitive rates," said the director of capital markets at the company, Anna Cecília Bettencourt. "In the previous model, there was a limit in the capital structure for accessing the stock market, of two thirds for preferred shares and one third for ordinary shares," she said.

Floating

In order to enter the New Market, a company must voluntarily comply with a series of requirements regarding management and transparency, which are much stricter than those of the Brazilian law, including a prohibition to issuing preferred shares, whose owners do not have voting rights.

Embraer converted all its shares into ordinary ones, and floated its capital. In other words, theoretically, the company no longer has a controlling group. Levels 2 and 1 also have stricter requirements than those of the law, but not as strict as those of the New Market level.

"Embraer is a global company, it needed a new corporate profile," Anna Cecília said. Before the process, which began in January and was concluded in June last year, the company was controlled by pension funds Sistel and Previ, and by Grupo Bozano. The first two sold part of their shares and the social statute was changed, in order not to allow a single shareholder to have more than 5% of voting rights, even if it owns a larger share of the capital.

This, according to Anna Cecília, provided the company with greater flexibility to access the capital market and to finance its projects. According to Fraga, the lion's share of funds obtained from secondary bond issuances are used by companies in investments and acquisitions. In secondary issuances, the money becomes part of the company cash reserves, and in primary issuances, it goes to the company controllers. The two can happen simultaneously.

Embraer, though, has not used this mode of obtaining resources yet. "This was not conceived to take place in the short run," Anna Cecília said. The idea is to eventually issue bonds when the company needs to invest. And its investment plan is an ambitious one, as it forecasts investments of US$ 2.6 billion in five years, the hiring of 3,000 employees this year, and the launch of new aircrafts.

Nevertheless, even though not directly linked to the opening of the capital, the company recorded some positive facts since the operation was announced, such as the value of its shares, which rose from 18 reais (US$ 8.74 at current exchange rates) at the end of 2005 to 22.90 reais (US$ 11.12) after the announcement.

Besides, with the floating of capital and the attainment of the so-called "investment grade" with international consultancy companies, Embraer has managed to capture funds at lower interest rates and longer deadlines in the financial market.

"We made our first capturing of funds after 10 years, worth US$ 400 million, at an yearly interest rate of 6.37%, which is quite attractive. Besides, the average deadline for maturity has almost doubled," Anna Cecília claimed. "But it is hard to measure the impact of the restructuring right now," she said.

In total, 13 open companies currently have their capital floating, according to Bovespa. In addition to Embraer, also in the list are American Banknote, in the printing sector, BrasilAgro, which operates in the agricultural real estate market, Dasa, clinical diagnoses, Datasul, information technology, Eternit, construction material, Gafisa, real estate development, Lojas Renner, retail, Lupatech, a maker of mechanical products, Perdigão, in the food industry, construction company Rossi Residencial, Submarino, an online retail store, and Totvs, a producer of software. Eternit and Renner, though, are the only two companies with 100% floating capital, i.e., all their shares are in the stock market.

11% Growth in Profit

The total profit of the 20 greatest Brazilian open-capital companies reached 84.8 billion reais (US$ 41.1 billion) in 2006, an increase of 11.2% when compared to the 76.23 billion reais (US$ 36.9 billion) reached by the same companies in 2005. According to the coordinator of consultancy company Economática Latin America, Einar Rivero, who compiled the figures, this is the fourth year running in which there is expressive growth in profits.

The list is composed of companies in the areas of oil, mining, banking, ironworks, telecommunications, beverages, pulp and paper and electric energy. "The list is headed by great exporters of commodities, whose profits were obtained due to high prices abroad," stated Rivero. Petrobras was in first place, with net profit of almost R$ 26 billion (US$ 12.6 billion), followed by Vale do Rio Doce mining company, the second largest mining company in the world, with R$ 13.4 billion (US$ 6.5 billion).

The Petrobras profit, according to Rivero, was the greatest in Latin America among open-capital companies and the Vale profit was the greatest among private companies. The oil company has mixed capital and is controlled by the Brazilian government.

The Bank of Brazil, Bradesco and Itaú banks follow. Unibanco bank also appears in the list, in the 12th position. Not all financial institutions, however, posted increases in their profits. Bradesco's profits, for example, fell 8.3% to little over 5 billion reais.

The Itaú profit dropped 18%, to 4.3 billion reais (US$ 2.1 billion), but Holding Itausa, which controls all the companies in the group, registered 95.3% growth in profit, to almost 4.5 billion reais (US$ 2.2 billion). The value obtained by Unibanco was also smaller, 1.75 billion reais (US$ 849 million), 4.8% less than in 2005.

Among the banking institutions, according to Rivero, with the 2006 results the Bank of Brazil (BB) figures as the largest bank in Latin America, whereas Bradesco is the largest among the private banks. Like Petrobras, BB is a mixed-capital company, controlled by the state.

Other companies that have great demand abroad also figure in the group, as is the case with Ambev, a beverage maker that has operations outside the country and had profits of 2.8 billion reais (US$ 1.36 billion) in 2006, and ironworks like Gerdau, Usiminas, Arcelor BR and Gerdau Metalúrgica. Another company in a sector that is a great exporter is Aracruz, in the pulp and paper sector.

In the area of services come telecommunications companies like Telesp (Telefônica), Telemar Norte Leste and Telemar NL Participações, as well as electric energy companies like Cemig, CPFL Energia, Neoenergia and Tractebel. The profits of energy companies, in Rivero's evaluation, comes from tariff policies and growing demand.

Another factor that helped generate income to companies in 2006, according to the consultant, was the depreciation of the dollar against the Brazilian real. Although that affects exports as it makes Brazilian products more expensive abroad, a good share of company debts are in foreign currencies. That is, the cheaper dollar means lower debts in Brazilian reais.

The companies that posted the greatest growth in profit were Itausa (95.3%), Ambev (81.6%), Bank of Brazil (45.5%), CPFL Energia (37.5%), Vale do Rio Doce (28.6%), Neoenergia (21%) and Telemar NL Participações (17.6%).

"Brazil is well positioned, we are competing with Mexico," stated Rivero. He pointed out, however, that the greatest open capital companies represent just a small share of the companies existing in the country and that the results could be even better with the adoption of more policies to stimulate the economy. "We are gaining one or two sweets, whereas we could be gaining a packet," he said.

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The Brazilian '.com' stock market, how high is up?
written by aes, March 29, 2007
While the rest of the world's stock markets begin to develop a kind of malaise teatering on downhill skiing. Bovespa's rise continues to be meteoritic, with the inevitible consequence as security and transperency of global equivalency, to draw foreign investment. It is the next global market of interest. It is nascent, and promises only to rise in this climate of fuel, land, water, and agro economics. Brazil, supermarket to the world. Petrobras, fuel for the 21st century. 'It is Law stupid' is the cause celebre. With transparency and governments legal enforcement, Brazil competes for the first time as a First World Economy. An economy that is expanding at exponential levels, while other markets begin to cool off, foreign investment must as was done in China seek new markets. And the newest market is the Brazilian Stock Exchange. Where fortunes are about to be made as each new stock declares its transparency.
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written by conceicao, March 29, 2007
This is the best article on the Brasilian stock market that I have ever read. Thanks very much.
LOOK TO THE SOUTH
written by forest Brown, March 29, 2007
business may be ready but the goverment will want to take a bigger piece of the pie for themselves
with new laws and more theift
Laugh....laugh....laugh......
written by ch.c., March 29, 2007
Are you finally coming out of the Amazon where you slept for 50 years ????????
To AES !!!!!!
written by ch.c., March 29, 2007
Quite laughable your statement : An economy that is expanding at exponential levels !!!!!!



Please provide numbers, facts and.....your sources !

Brazil has the lowest economic growth of BRIC countries !

Brazil has one of the lowest growth rate of ALL developing countries ! Even when taking in account their recently revised numbers !!!!!!!

In my view they are more landing than taking off....as you suggest !!!!!

idiots never succeed...by definition !
CHC: What have you got to lose?
written by aes, March 30, 2007
Look at the graph over the past 3 years it is in ascention at a 45 degree angle (sorry I couldnt place it here). Secondly the 67% increase in the value of the R$ Real vis a vis the dolllar,over the past three years has had no anticipated negative effect on exports. Exports to the contrary are up 27%. This means that the Real has greater buying power abroad, for the investment in capital goods. Brazil holds some billions of dollars in reserve. The biggest hinderence to foreign investment is/was the lack of feduciary transparency. The article outlines the direction this is taking. It is pragmatic it increases investment, and by consequence profit. Thirdly the Congress has passed legislation simplifying corporate taxes, in essence reducing corporate tax structue. Making business easier to conduct both domestically and by foreign companies will have a influx of capital and a consequential growth in the market. Ethinol contracts with Japan, the U.S. et al, exports in beef and steel, the opening of new markets in Africa and the Middle East. Brazil's land mass is profoundly underdeveloped and represents enormous agricultural expansion. The crisis and demand in the world is fuel, food, and raw materials, all of which Brazil is rich in and under exploited. The American market has peaked for all intents and purposes, global money will seek other markets. China still has upwards potential, but so does Brazil. Brazil has laid down an economic infrastructure, that meets international standards and as such there is a guarantee in the 'safety' of the investors investment from a lack of transparency and outright theft. The only 'fly in the ointment' is the issue of the issues of the prosecution of Law and Order. Brazil's people and its future have a vested interest in this issue. There is a constant of positive economic news almost daily. Brazil is a place of ecomic action and where there is action there is profit to be made. The greater the competition to invest the higher the market value of shares. But what do I know?

http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/Stock/IndexGraph.aspx?StockIds=457968,458063
The Little Fat Boy Is Trying To Catch Up..
written by u.s. guest, March 30, 2007
As the rest of the pack is light years ahead....
Never underestimate: The Fat Boy is flying GOL 34 new planes to the world.
written by aes, March 30, 2007
That is what was said of China ten years ago.
TO:AES
written by João da Silva, March 30, 2007
Brazil's people and its future have a vested interest in this issue. There is a constant of positive economic news almost daily. Brazil is a place of ecomic action and where there is action there is profit to be made. The greater the competition to invest the higher the market value of shares. But what do I know?


I hope you make a killing in the Brazilian stock market.All the best. Just remember what Forest said:

business may be ready but the goverment will want to take a bigger piece of the pie for themselves
with new laws and more theift
Joao
written by aes, March 30, 2007
I am already in the market along for the ride, for the long term. It takes money to ultimately create what we call civil order and legal equity. Look at China, they just past a law regarding private ownership of land, I think it was. The more prosperty the greater the legality to protect it. I am less a cynic than an obeserver of human geo-economic-political history. Economic pragmatism governs government. Look at the heads of Enron et al, when their behavior began to threaten the lives of thousands of people the market, the Feds demanded legal remedy. Human history repeats itself, if McDonald's is a success in one human population it will be a success in another it is an economic principal of transference. As the laws of physics do not change, so do the laws of human endeavor not change. There is a logic to it all, the bottom line is logic. If law produces a more productive bottom line, then that is the course the society will historically follow. Obrigado. Market is up again today.
TO:AES
written by João da Silva, March 30, 2007
I am already in the market along for the ride, for the long term


Hi AES, it is your money and you are entitled to do whatever you want.However, our economy is extremely volatile and I am still unconvinced that our stock exchanges functiion the way they do in other countries. A long time ago, I took up my ass,buying the stocks of Varig and Transbrasil. Two great airline companies that had everyting to grow and be giants of S.America. But it did not work out to be as expected. Also the ones who bought (and are still holding) the shares of erstwhile TELEBRAS have phones that are as ancient as when Graham Bell invented them and with a bulk of shares worth 15 Reais.

As I said before, all the best and it is your money. At this point of my life, I refuse to believe what the mainstream media say about the economy,politics,etc; That is the reason, why I like to get the news from all over the world through the Internet and analyse the contents.Have a great week end ,if we dont get to talk to each other earlier.
TO:AES
written by João da Silva, March 30, 2007
There was another point I wanted to write. If you intend investing in the Telephone companies that the article mentioned, I suggest you read "Veja" of this week,if you have not done it already. There was an excellent interview conducted by a reporter of that magazine with the founder of "SKYPE". I think his name is Jost or something and he is a Swedish guy.He makes lots of sense while talking about the future of the telephony offered by the phone companies that bought TELEBRAS.
Joao
written by aes, March 30, 2007

Just look at the graph over the past five years.

http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/Stock/IndexInfo.aspx?Index=457968 This is a graph of Bovespa over the past five years and more. It will give you a sense of the direction the market is taking.

Personally I have always invested in gold. Bought below $275 sold at $825.

But Petrobras, the Steel business in Brazil, Avionics, Agronomics, Ehtanol and ethanol black box conversion are what of interest to me.

I've been using Skype for two years, the land line is obsolete. I can call anywhere in the world for 1.7 cents per minute anywhere in the world. I most assuredly will avoid any telephone investments unless it is ATT, but that is of no interest. China and Brazil are the emerging markets. Certainly for different reasons, but Brazil's ability to produce food, ores, and technologies make it a sound choice. If you had just invested in the $R Real over the past three years you would have made 40% on your money. It is the business of brokerages to sell, Brazil is a commodity that is worth selling. The Law will follow the money. Money demands Law.
TO:AES
written by João da Silva, March 31, 2007
Personally I have always invested in gold. Bought below $275 sold at $825.


You are right .Precious and semi precious metals also are worth investing in.Also the land. It is good to excange views with you,AES and hope to be in touch. You seem to be immensley enjoying what you are doing. It is a positve attitude.

Take care
To AES : Look at the graph over the past 3 years ????????????
written by ch.c., April 01, 2007
Sorry....you should be blind or more probably STUPID !!!!!!

Brazil has simply the LOWEST ECONOMIC GROWTH RATE OF ALL DEVELOPING COUNTRIES !!!!!

This is simple fact shown everywhere while you statement are simply......WRONG !!!!!!

As to your apparent prowess in exports, it is quite laughable wherever you look at it :
A) China export well over US$ 800 billion, Brazil around US$ 150 billion
B) China export goods mainly with added value while Brazil export mainly BASIC COMMODITIES

I know, I know your answer will be but China has a population of around 1,5 billion and Brazil 185 millions !!!!!


BUT NOW....AES.....PLEASE SWALLOW THAT REALITY :
- my country with no oil or whatever metals or ore, export more than what Brazil exports, BUT WE ARE ONLY A POPULATION OF 7,5 million or 25 times samller than Brazil !!!!!

Reality being that the per capita exports of Brazil is around Us$ 800.- and my country around Us$ 25'000.- or so !!!!!!

Thus wether you compare with China and you are small or you compare your exports with my country and.....YOU ARE STILL SMALL.....EVEN MORE SO WHEN ON A PER CAPITA BASIS !!!!!!
Even on tourism, my country with no sea access and with overall bad climate has far more revenue than Brazil !!!!

Yessssssss.....wether you like it or NOT, Brazil is and will remain a lagging country when compared to others !!!!!!!
Laugh.....laughhhhh......to junkie AES !!!!!!!!!
written by ch.c., April 01, 2007
Please tell the audience when you sold at Us$ 825.-- !!!!

Please be specific....so the audience will realize how you are lying and cheating !!!!!!!!!!!

In fact you are soooooo stupid and so cheating : GOLD PRICE NEVER WENT TO US$ 825.- IN THE LAST 10 YEARS !!!!!!!!!

Simple demonstartion and confirmation that AES is a real.....JUNKIE......NOT EVEN KNOWING WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FULL OF AIR.....AES !!!!!
TO THE JUNKIE AES :
written by ch.c., April 01, 2007
.......Brazil has been an emerging country for the last 500 years and is still an emerging country..... BUT NOT YET A DEVELOPED COUNTRY !!!!!

As to your currency SORRY BUT YOUR COMPARISON IS DEAD WRONG :
- IF YOU TAKE THE STOCK PRICE OF A COMPANY THAT WENT DOWN BY 99,99999 % IN THE LAST 70 YEARS AND THEN LESS THAN DOUBLE IN 3 YEARS, IT STILL MAKES A LARGE LARGE LOSS ! AND THIS IS WHAT YOU FORGET TO MENTION....IN YOUR FAIRY TALE .....NOT SO FAIRY TALE IN REALITY !!!!!
- YOUR CURRENCY IS STILL DOWN 50 % IN THE LAST 10 YEARS COMPARED TO THE US$....ITSELF A WEAK CURRENCY !!!!!!!!

- IN 2006 BRAZIL JUST SURPASSED THE BUYING POWER IT HAD.....IN 1980 !!!!!!!!!!

NOT SO IMPRESSIVE IN MY VIEW TO HAVE WAITED 26 YEARS TO FINALLY MAKE A NEW BUYING POWER HIGH !!!!!!

FEW COUNTRIES......EVEN IN SUB SHARA AFRICA.........DID AS WORSE AS BRAZIL DID.....IN THE LAST 27 YEARS !!!!!!
tO JOAO DA SILVA !!!!!
written by ch.c., April 01, 2007
AES IS SUCH A JUNKIE :
- On his glory about his Brazilian Steel Investments : Cia Siderurgica earnings......down 76 %....ANNOUNCED RECENTLY !!!!!!!!!
- ALL ETHANOL MILLS LISTED ON STOCK EXCHANGE.........PRICES ARE DOWN SHARPLY....NOT UP...... AS AES IS SAYING !!!!!!!!
- PETROBRAS STOCK PRICE IS HORIZONTAL (SIDEWAY) FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS....NOT UP !!!!!
AES CHEAT AND LIE OF HIS GOLD SALE AT US$ 825.- !!!!!!! NEVER WENT THAT HIGH IN THE LAST 25 YEARS !!!!!

AES ENJOYS DOING WHAT HE DOES BEST.......CHEATING AND LYING !!!!!!!!

SORRY....AES !!!!!!!!!!! DONT TAKE YOUR DREAMS FOR REALITY !!!!!!!


LAUGH........LAUGH.....LAUGH....
Ch.c Gold hits $850 in 1980
written by aes, April 01, 2007
Gold reached $850 per ounce in 1980. As a manufacturer of jewelry I melted everything that I had bought at $275-450 and sold it as scrap. Went to Hawaii and opened a jewelry store in Waikiki for ten years at the Hyatt, manufacturing directly to 'the public'.
My investments in Bovespa are not paticular stocks, but funds. If you hit the link and look at the graph over the past 5 years you will get a sense of the movement of Bovespa.
http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/...dex=457968

Rencently on Brazzil.com was mentioned that China and Brazil were the largest producers of steel in the world. Something I had no incling of.

Your petulance with words like 'cheating and lying' is peculiar. It defines you as either adolescent or bitter, in either case the language is illmannered and inappropriate.

I have been in the jewelry business for thirty years, when gold was first opened to private ownership by Richard Nixon. Around $150 an ounce, 1973.

As to Petrobras, it all depends when you got into the market. Recent capital investment will produce increase in the profitability of ethanol. There are smarter people than you or I investing millions of dollars in expansion of the Brazillian ethanol industry.

If you had taken all of your dollars and invested them in $R Reals 3 years ago you would have made 40% on your money.

Dont presume to lecture me on what you do not know.


To:AES/Ch.C
written by João da Silva, April 01, 2007
Rencently on Brazzil.com was mentioned that China and Brazil were the largest producers of steel in the world. Something I had no incling of.


No AES, the big sharks who are gobbling up the steel industries in Europe and Brazil are the Indians.I guess, you have heard of a fella called Mittal.This guy is a big player.There is another big Indian company called the Tatas.The Tatas competed with we Brazilians and bought another comapny in Europe. Perhaps,Ch.C can clarify more about it.BTW, Mittal has plants in U.S. too. A couple of years ago I ran into a Polish delegation that visited Brazil and one of the members mentioned to me that his steel company was bought by Mittal. Mittal & the Tatas have lot of money and the backing of the European banks and it appears that right now they can buy whatever they want.I dont think the Chinese are interested in buying steel mills,though they are interested in iron ore from Vale do Rio Doce.

Ch.c,it is your turn to throw more light. Just cut down the anti-Brazilian tirades and be up to the point.And Thank you smilies/grin.gif
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written by A brazilian, April 01, 2007
I think it's impossible for ch.c to throw any light. If you haven't noticed he is dedicated to a misinformation campaign about Brazil. The so called "facts" he cites are usually false or out of context.
Joao: Re Brazil, China 'negotions will set the global price for steel, being conducted by Brazil and China
written by aes, April 01, 2007
Brazil having anything to do with setting the global price for steel along with China is what I was making reference to. I had never heard of Brazil having anything to do with global production of steel let alone, along with China, 'setting the global price for steel'. This to me made manifest that Brazil was a significant player in the industry of global steel (this was the Brazzil.com reference). ''Largest producers and consumers of iron ore in the world', I regarded as singularly significant.

'The current round of negotiations, which will set the global price for steel, for example, are being conducted by Brazil and China, who are now, respectively, the largest producers and consumers of iron ore in the world'

Setting the 'global price for steel' is fairly significant.
Ch.c : Te est Swisse? C'est tres interresante.
written by aes, April 01, 2007
How can you compare the center of international banking to Brazil. How can you compare a country with a thousand years of history, protectors of the Pope, to this 400 year old embryonic being. There is a phenomenon in chemestry called supersaturation. The water appears clear till one more grain of salt is added and the salt precipitates out. This is a kind of economic metaphor for the current state of economics in Brazil. The water may appear clear, the economy static, but it is not. It is in a state of economic dynamics.
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1.
a. (used with a sing. verb) The branch of mechanics that is concerned with the effects of forces on the motion of a body or system of bodies, especially of forces that do not originate within the system itself.
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written by bo, April 02, 2007
If you had taken all of your dollars and invested them in $R Reals 3 years ago you would have made 40% on your money.



And if you would've taken your dollars and bought reals 10 years ago, when it was basically 1:1, you would be negative 50% today, and at one time, approximately 5 years ago, negative 80%.
Bo: The Euro was 1:1
written by aes, April 02, 2007
Yeh the time is now if you had bought gold in 1980 at $850 by the end of the decade you would have lost your ass. If you had bought the dow in 2001 at 7,000 you would be 5,000 ahead today.
If you had bought gold in 2001 at $275 you would be ahead $400 an ounce.

If you buy at the top in any investment it is axiomatic you will lose. The last one holding the bag loses. I you had bought Euros when they were 1:1 you would be ahead 34%. If you had bought Reals with your dollars 3 years ago you would be ahead 40%. Timing is everything. If you bought ocean front land in Costa Rica 15 years ago before the boom you would be ahead. There is always opportunity, both for success and failure. Do the research, do the math, you can still fail. Buy quality land. In 1997 I bid on 100 acers on the Wisconson river 2,000 feet of river front, trees, eagles, there is always opportunity. Land, they're not making anymore. Something is worth what you can sell it for, not what you paid for it. The Canadian dollar is cheap, it is backed by diamonds, gold, timber grain its worth .$85 more or less, twenty years ago it was $1.05. A countries wealth, its dollar value is ultimately backed by its natural resources. The dollar is weak vis a vis other currencies and gold, because of the deficit spending necessary to prosecute the war. And on and on 'you pays your money and you take your chances'. Choose wisely, buy quality. You can always sell quality. And if your moving with the masses your going in the wrong direction. If they're buying you should be selling. Nothing is guaranteed 'but death and taxes'. Elect Gingrich and in 5 years gold will be $350 and oil $30 a barrel. Hell if you had bought oil at $18 a barrel you would have made $50 on every $18. There is always opportunity. Where there is life there is hope.
TO:AES
written by João da Silva, April 04, 2007
And if your moving with the masses your going in the wrong direction.
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Hi AES, you are aboslutely right. A wise quote.
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written by somebory!, May 16, 2007
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people we can't understand?
yeah,the governament not too!

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