Brazzil

Looks like than when I wrote many times :

Brazil is an archaïc and medieval country

I am not alone saying it.

Even a Brazilian, ex presidential candidate, ex governor, ex senator, ex education minister..........SAYS THE SAME....AND IN WRITING !!!!!!!!

Enjoy your Tropical Mud ! Quite smelly !

....is also what I have been saying time and time again !!!!!

Curiously few brazilians agreed with my comments !

Strange that even Lula acknowledges it......when he doesnt contradict himself....by saying the exact opposite !

Even in a test done by Jornal Hodje, owned by Globo TV, Brazilians students came LAST in the test involving students from 32 countries !!!!!!!!!!

Another Gold Medal for Brazil if as usual you cheat and inverse the rankings !!!!!!!!

Laugh....laugh....laugh !

and creating millions of jobs in charcoal industries, pig iron, sugarcane workers and cutters, coffee beans manual harvesters.....MANY BRAZILIANS POLITICIANS AND CITIZENS
WILL SAY.... BASIC EDUCATION IS NOT EVEN NEEDED FOR THESE WORKERS !!!!!!

Just compare Brazil and South Korea :
- 4 decades ago, South Korea was poorer than Brazil
- today they have 86,5 % of students with University degree, Brazil 10,5 %
- As per Mailson Da Nobrega, ex finance Minister :" South Korea, for example, spends one-third of what it spends on education on pensions. In Brazil, the situation is the opposite, with pensions representing two and a half times the amount spent on education."

Therefore it is quite easy to understand why you export sugar, ethanol, coffee, orange juice, iron ore, grains and South Korea export their own cars (not Brazil, there is nooooo Brazilian cars), semiconductors, chips, computers, mobile phones, LCD screens, IPods and all technological gadgets !!!!!!

We have even heard the President himself declare that, in terms of education, "we are among the worst in the world."

Always did make me roll my eyes when I would hear a brazilian talk s**t on the american educational system. Not saying it's the best in the world, but it's certainly far from the worst.

This ch s**t has serious freudian problems with Brasil... Education for the poor is s**t in Brasil... SO WHAT! Get a life, a girlfrind or some friends helps sometimes.

You are too sensationalistic. You make very broad claims and provide no data whatsoever to back it up, it seems more an attempt to downplay the current government and state of things in order to promote yourself as "the savior". You are a senator, please tell us what you and your party is doing to change anything, or just shut up! We are tired of hearing this crap, the same old crap, and no action is taken.

I am glad I didn't vote for you in the last election. You speak so much s**t that's hard to believe that you are really a PhD, the "19th century" part was simply ridiculous. But let's see why:

- That must be why I am typing in a PC, yes, we don't have internet because we are in the 19th century;
- That must be why two thirds of all brazilians (not exactly what you may call a "minority") have a cell phone too, you know, that technology is so 19th century!
- THAT MUST BE WHY 97% OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS HAVE AT LEAST ONE TV! THAT'S SO 19TH CENTURY!. You know, by that time, in the 19th century, everyone had TVs with all those colors and stereo sound;
- That's why a fifth of all brazilians have at least one PC at home (I am not counting PCs at work or access to the internet through school or lan houses);

The part of 97% of households with TV is nice. So we can conclude that:

- Either "slave laborers" can afford to buy TVs, hahahahahahaha;
- Or things are not so bad some would like to believe;

The first revolution you need to make is to start thinking! The whole world will change for you after that.

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education. 50% couldn't even name your first president.
And a hit reality show these days is, "Are you as smart as a 5th grader". Wow! What academic heights you reach! Pathetic!

Yes, let's not say what the economics of both places are, let's just convert the values by the exchange rate of the day and make a simple comparison. Is that intelligent? Wow, we can see "canadian education" in action by that.

A person making R$ 2000,00 in São Paulo is low middle class, in some places of the northeast is RICH! Guess why? And this is the same country.

If you really believe that the handouts to the poor come from monies that are "left over from the public budget", and you have a PHD in Economics, I just don´t know what to say. How could you think that? If income is now exceeding outgo, why isn´t more being made of it?

There's always one person on the forum stil stuck in the ignorance of denial.
Owning a cellphone, a Tv? That sure is proof of an evolving culture, yup you got that right...
Is that really your counter argument for what was clearly a thoughtful reflection of the current state of education in Brazil.
I don't know whether Cristovam is actually a politician for the people or just another corrupt individual trying to bribe his way back into power but I do know that Brazil does indeed have a serious education deficiency (among other things) and everytime someone gets up the nerve to point it out or at least summon some form of awareness to the situation there always seems to be a equal amount of Idiots ready to defend the BS that is now such an integral part of Brazilian culture.

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.
The country is as beautiful as it is backwards... and it's a really beautiful country.

I first visted Brasil in August of 2006, returned in January 2007 and hope to visit again later this year. It is a beautiful country with much natural resources and a diverse population. What suprised me the most was how my expections of visiting a "third world" country was quickly erased. From landing at Sao Paulo Guarulhos Airport to visiting Foz Do Igaucu. Every Brazilian I met had a cell phone. Every house I visited had more than one TV and they had computers, Playstations, DVD players, Satellite, etc. There was nothing third world of the Brasil I saw and the people I met were not wealthy or elite Brasillians.

But not everyone had an education! Most men and women I met had work that paid almost nothing to pay for education that had to be completed while working. I met teachers who's annual wages are disgustling low. Two of the teachers I met were going to University at night to change there careers to earn a better income. That's insane! Teachers are a critical resource, education is the only true way a people can create and sustain change.

PROPERLY Investing money in education should be the first priority of Brasil. With an educated population the People of Brasil would no longer tolerate the crap of the Federal, State and local governments.

Well I am an 18 year old Brazilian that is living in the U.S. and when people say that Brazilian education is s**tty i tell them they are f**ken idiots because they have never been there or studied in a normal Brazilian school that isn't on a s**tty part of the country where the U.S. media shows to everyone. From what I have heard and experienced Brazilian schools are way more difficult then American schools at least up to k-12 but thats not the problem. The problem is that in the U.S. no matter what when they finish college they come out of school with a job. In Brazil kids study study study but when they come out of school they have no where to work. Not enough jobs, its not that our schools are bad its just that they have no incentive what is the point of going to school if your not gonna have a future after? now I can't tell you how to solve that because if I knew it I'm sure someone else would of solved it by now I'm only a senior in an American High school about to go to college.

written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.

Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast! There are LARGE percentages of children all throughout brazil, and particularly in the northeast, that don't even attend school! They're out on the streets panhandling. At least in the U.S. they are in school, close to 100% attendance up to the age of 16, as if is a LAW in the U.S., parents get put in jail in the U.S. if they're children do not attend school until at least 16 years of age.

And please canuck, you folks up there just have the most wonderful universities, what do you guys do, sit around and watch water turn into ice?

written by A brazilian, 2007-04-02 22:32:18

Yes, let's not say what the economics of both places are, let's just convert the values by the exchange rate of the day and make a simple comparison. Is that intelligent? Wow, we can see "canadian education" in action by that.

A person making R$ 2000,00 in São Paulo is low middle class, in some places of the northeast is RICH! Guess why? And this is the same country.

And that goes to show you how much you know about your very own country dickhead! I know the northeast well, obviously much better than you, and there is no place where 2.000 reais per month is considered "rich".

You, Abe Razillion, are "intellectually challenged and fatuous", like that one aes??

written by decy, 2007-04-03 02:05:31

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.

Couldn't have said it better decy!! Problem is, how do you attempt to find a solution to a problem when the "affected" rejects the notion that a problem even exists?!

written by Canadese, 2007-04-03 02:22:22

. There was nothing third world of the Brasil I saw and the people I met were not wealthy or elite Brasillians.

Then unfortunately, you didn't see much. Tell me, were you able to drink the tap water where you were? Were you able to put dirty toilet paper in the toilet and flush afterwards? Exactly what percentages of the cities you were in had saneamento basico? Were the driving laws where you were enforced and respected?

You don't have to answer, I, as well as the others here who "know" brazil, already know the answers.

written by Gus, 2007-04-03 02:50:08

Well I am an 18 year old Brazilian that is living in the U.S. and when people say that Brazilian education is s**tty i tell them they are f**ken idiots because they have never been there or studied in a normal Brazilian school that isn't on a s**tty part of the country where the U.S. media shows to everyone. From what I have heard and experienced Brazilian schools are way more difficult then American schools at least up to k-12 but thats not the problem. The problem is that in the U.S. no matter what when they finish college they come out of school with a job. In Brazil kids study study study but when they come out of school they have no where to work. Not enough jobs, its not that our schools are bad its just that they have no incentive what is the point of going to school if your not gonna have a future after? now I can't tell you how to solve that because if I knew it I'm sure someone else would of solved it by now I'm only a senior in an American High school about to go to college.

You've got it ass backwards Gus, education creates jobs, jobs don't create education. And please, huge percentages of brazilians don't even attend school, and it's not because they have the feelling of "whats the use", it's because they other things that take priority, like surviving the day.

Kids coming out from US high schools are ignorant to a scary level. Sometimes it is even embarassing to discuss anything with young Americans as you wonder if they really are so dumb or they are acting. I do no think Brazilian situation is that bad even if *some* Brazilians are indeed shallow. Anyway Brazil is a much better country: Americans judge everything through the notion of material wealth (which is just responsible for 49% of happiness), in Europe and Latin America people have borader demans (also involving cultural interests and so on). The American dream today of a nation of happy obese families with shorts and baseball caps spending all of their free time in a mall buying ipods and eating mega-burgers is every European's nightmare.

YOu and the rest of the Eurotrash can stay at home and away from America.
I'm sick of seeing you guys come here in Shorts, with black socks up to you knees and wearing sandals. You've no respect for cues and constantly bitch about everything. You are only happy when an American will bash their own country, but if we stand up for our country then we are idiots.
HMMMMM. take a look at Italian politicians, they are pretty much corrupt as are the French, and probably the Germans.
I don't spend my time talking to young Europeans, as their sense of entitlement totally disgusts me, thinking they deserve everything from the Government etc.
Europe is a sh*t hole, full of turds. I'll take Brasil, and the rest of South America over Europe any day.

There are LARGE percentages of children all throughout brazil, and particularly in the northeast, that don't even attend school!

Well, 2,9% of children that don't go to school isn't exactly a "large percentage". It means that 97,1% of all children are attending the school.

http://www.estadao.com.br/educ...22/305.htm

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.

If you haven't noticed all the "facts" about Brazil cited are simply false. More than 97% of children are in the school, can we call that a "vast majority"? This mindless Brazil bashing in this site is ridiculous, and still the same people feel entitled to talk about "what the problems of Brazil are".

You are so ignorant that you can't even recognize how ignorant you are.

"American democracy" vetoed book:
Lilly's book, Taken by Force, was first published in France in 2003, and then in Italy in 2004, but initially failed to find either an American or British publisher. As one American publisher explained to Lilly, professor of sociology at Northern Kentucky University - "I wouldn't touch that book with a 10-foot long pole", given that the subject matter was concerned with the estimated 14,000 rapes committed by American soldiers in England, France and Germany between 1942 and 1945.

In short, at a time when "French fries" and "French toast" were being renamed "Freedom fries" and "Freedom toast" because, unlike us, the French refused to join the Bush administration's war in Iraq, the American public did not want to be told that their fathers, uncles and brothers who had fought in the second world war - that "Band of Brothers" as the historian Stephen Ambrose christened them, and whose status as the "greatest generation" had been cemented by Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan - had, in fact, been involved in some of the worst crimes on mainland Europe, including black-market trading, armed robbery, looting, rape and murder.

Indeed, secret wartime files that were made public in this country only in April 2006 disclosed that GIs committed 26 murders, 31 manslaughters, 22 attempted murders and more than 400 sexual offences, including 126 rapes in England, during 1942-45.

Far from being the "greatest generation", Lilly exposes the ugly underbelly of the US army's behaviour in Europe, and it is that ugly underbelly that links his historical account of the murders and rapes committed by American soldiers between 1942-1945 with Merchant's film.

For the simple reality of both Marchant's film and Lilly's book is this: that young men - soldiers - who are given power over others, and have a structure surrounding them that closes ranks at the first sign of criticism, a structure which is, in turn, enclosed within a popular and political culture where members of the public want to invest in their father's or their brother's or their husband's decision to become a soldier and go to war with nobility and sacrifice are, in fact, the preconditions for abuse, torture and totalitarianism. As such, it is the duty of film-makers and historians and sociologists to expose that abuse - no matter how "noble" the individual soldier's sacrifice might seem.

Even so, Bob Lilly faced a torrent of abuse when his book started to be reviewed in France and then news of the book's contents surfaced in the United States. He shared one of the many abusive emails with me: "Update: I just checked, and this guy Robert Lilly isn't an historian at all. He's a f**king sociologist ... sociology is a methodologically unsound, innately political, airy, unfounded, slippery and BS-laden field that ... deserves to slide into history as a blot on the face of 'social science'."

For all our sakes, I hope that it does not, and that sociology continues to uncover unpopular truths and dares to venture into territory that many of us would prefer to ignore.

The Mark of Cain is to be shown on Channel 4 on April 5, and Taken by Force will be published by Palgrave Macmillan in August 2007.

Europe is in a state of decendency. Its demographics indicate more people are dying than being born. Its philosophical and economical social dream that the State will take care of them is crashing in to the wall that there are not enough people putting into the system as taking out. It is an enclave of delusion 5 Euros for a cup of coffee.
A countries intelligence can be measured by the cost of goods. A cup of coffee in the U.S. is R$ .50.
How bright the Europeans are a light on to themselves, (save the Dutch, the brightest souls Europe has produced). How dull the Swiss, boring isolated emotionally constipated. Bright, yes, to be bright and soulless is to have lost the world.

Now Brazil's only problem is money. With enough money all things are buyable. Education is a function of money, infrastructure a function of money, law enforcement a function of money. There is a deadly undercurrent here in Brazil that is a kind of a social HIV. Its solution is also money. What the hell are Favelas still doing in existence in the 21st century. They are an anachronism. They are not charming, they are a blight, kind like a skin cancer, a festering sore.
Its solution is also a function of money.
Things are changing economically. It is axiomatic that 'the boss is always stupid' in the opinion of others. But the truth is to play in Global Economics you need to be smart. It is odd how it is easy to denegrade Americans. 'How can a people so stupid be so wealthy?' Well maybe there not so stupid. Only in geography, they dont even know where Brazil is. Why the f**k do we need to know where Brazil is when my Mercedez works just fine without my knowing the language of Brazil or the capital of Hong Kong or anything else. Knowledge adds a dimension to the quality of one's life. There is wrote knowledge and there is the knowledge of doing. Americans detest school, it is a twelve year party, little is learned by most, but a few become 'lights onto the world'.
If we are so dumb why do the best and the brightest from all over the world come to study at our Universities, and there are so many of them, a veritable litany of Harvards and Princetons and MITs and Stanfords and Berkleys. It is only a matter of money and intellligent government that built the educcational institutions in the U.S. It is simplistically the 'Protestant work ethic'. While Brazil at its founding was based upon the consciousness of Portugal, the U.S. was based upon Pilgrims and the right of law and work. It was the German, the Dutch, the Italian, the Swede, the English, the Irish, that built the U.S. In winter you need a house of stone, in the Southern Hemisphere a house of grass will do.

Well Bovespa is up again today and what is good for Bovespa is good for Brazil. Takes money to change anything.

And Canada, oh speak to me of Canada and how the capitalist Western Provinces, the suppliers of all the wealth of Canada hate the Eastern Provinces, the Socialist that spend the money, and the French of Quebec, yeh speak to me of Canada a country of provincials. Vancouver and Montreal and McGill University the rest are manniquens for J.C.Penny fashion. You can always tell a Canadian eh?

Money buys law and law enables change.

Hey guys, check this out, Look at the part regarding Brazil.

Bush Administration Submits Annual Trade Report to Congress 04/02/2007

http://www.ustr.gov/Document_L...t_to_Cong
ress.html

http://www.ustr.gov/Document_L...Index.html

Pathetic and repetitive, to say the least. If all those people made really a difference this country would be something else, we have plenty of germans, italians and japanese and there is no distinguishable difference. In fact, many of those immigrants came to replace slaves in the farms, very noble isn't it? You don't see any of those people being revolutionary politicians, building astonishing works, etc. Why is that?

In order to make money one doesn't need to be smart. All you need is to be a good merchant. There are plenty of stories of people that never went to college and start some business, then it becomes successful. You are right that americans don't need to be intelligent, your country is mainly composed by rude and brute merchants that would be unable to appreciate anything more subtle, like art, an idea or a thought.

There's a saying in Brazil that if you study too much then you don't have time to make money. It's actually true, the US is evidence of that.

Universities is a different matter than K-12. The rest of the world make your universities intelligent, that's the explanation.

We have a saying that you are too busy working to make any money. Making money is about working smart not working hard.

Have you been to Idaho, Montana, Wisconsin, Oregon, Wyoming, Colorado, it is not about being a 'good merchant' the Portuguese were the greatest of merchants in the 15th century, what happened?

I still think there is a correlation between sub equatorial societies and the Northern Hemispheres, it's to hard, life is easy. In the Northern Hemisphere if you do not prepare for Winter death will follow. It creates a different ethos.

Why does the equipment and laboratories and funding exist at American universities, a cabalistic conspiracy to rob the minds of the greatest thinkers on the planet. Maybe, but that would be pretty smart. But Silicon Valley and all of that is a product of Stanford and Berkley, it is home grown. There is no limit in the U.S. to upward intellectual mobility. We, the government has the sense to give scholarships to the most brilliant, promising among us. Maybe it is just 'Common Sense' (have you read Thomas Payne?) Harvard was established before 1650. Your thesis my dear ABr. is only modestly flawed.

One of the keys to economic success is perserverence. In spite of how you feel, you do what needs to be done. This is a Northern Hemisphere notion. The Southern Hemisphere is very much about how you feel. The people are not driven, they are about feelings.

The point of 'all those people, as you say' is that in the U.S. this multitude of North Europeans were the 'Founding Fathers'. There were two principals, self reliance, and the freedom of the individual.

Portuguese founded Brazil as a Monarchial slave. There was no Declaration of Independence, no rights of man, no enlightenment. The Age of Enlightenment is just begining to come to Brazil. You are nearly two hundred years behind the U.S. in intellectual evolution.

But you are moving, entropy is being transcended and Brazil has left the Earth for space. Even your airports recognize the necessity for change, it is merely pragmatism. Reason.

You were a Monarchy in an age of Democracy. The Monarch was interested in obedience not the 'rights of the individual', the Monarch was God on Earth and everything that was Portugal was his. Now Brazil is faced with the problem of economic equitable distribution through Capitalism, and it better 'depeche toi' before it is burned down, as the U.S. was in the 60's with the Watts, Chicago, New York, Detroit, Washington conflagrations.

Brazil to Sell Dollar-Denominated Bonds Due in 2017 (Update1)

By Katia Cortes

April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil plans to sell dollar- denominated bonds due in 2017 in international markets, the Treasury said in a statement.

The Treasury said it will sell the bonds in U.S., European and Asian markets. Brazil will seek to sell as much as $500 million worth of the bonds, with the possibility to increase the size by $25 million for buyers in Asia, said investors who were approached with the terms of the sale.

``When they have these types of deals, they usually have a good idea of what the interest is ahead of time, so there is probably good demand for the bonds,'' said Ricardo Simone, executive director at Sao Paulo-based Banco Sofisa SA.

During November's sale, Brazil sold $1.5 billion of the 6 percent bonds maturing in 2017 to yield 6.25 percent. The Treasury sold the bonds to yield 159 basis points, or 1.59 percentage points, over U.S. Treasuries of similar maturity.

``The fundamentals here are strong, especially when you look at flows into Brazil, interest rates and the currency,'' Simone said.

Brazil's central bank, led by Henrique Meirelles, has cut the benchmark lending rate at 14 consecutive meetings to bolster growth in Latin America's largest economy. The rate last month dropped to a record low of 12.75 percent from as high as 19.75

The Treasury didn't specify in its statement how much it plans to sell or the banks that would manage the sale.

``Brazil is taking advantage of the positive economic outlook and less risk aversion to issue at cheaper borrowing costs,'' said Sergio Meniconi, head of foreign exchange at Uniao de Bancos Brasileiros SA. in an interview in Sao Paulo. ``It's also marking out prices for corporate issuances as the government doesn't really need to issue bonds with reserves so strong.''

You have wrote a lot, but just repeated the same nonsense. The "development" of the northern hemisphere is product of a succession of a historical facts all around the world, just that. There's no greater meaning, it's in fact very mundane, very human and sometimes very brutal and violent reality.

Remember, the greatest civilizations of antiquity appeared along the mediterranean, southern europe and norther africa, or Asia. Why?

Blind Justice
written by aes, 2007-04-03 11:24:51

Europe is in a state of decendency. Its demographics indicate more people are dying than being born. Its philosophical and economical social dream that the State will take care of them is crashing in to the wall that there are not enough people putting into the system as taking out. It is an enclave of delusion 5 Euros for a cup of coffee.
A countries intelligence can be measured by the cost of goods. A cup of coffee in the U.S. is R$ .50.
How bright the Europeans are a light on to themselves, (save the Dutch, the brightest souls Europe has produced). How dull the Swiss, boring isolated emotionally constipated. Bright, yes, to be bright and soulless is to have lost the world.

Now Brazil's only problem is money. With enough money all things are buyable. Education is a function of money, infrastructure a function of money, law enforcement a function of money. There is a deadly undercurrent here in Brazil that is a kind of a social HIV. Its solution is also money. What the hell are Favelas still doing in existence in the 21st century. They are an anachronism. They are not charming, they are a blight, kind like a skin cancer, a festering sore.
Its solution is also a function of money.
Things are changing economically. It is axiomatic that 'the boss is always stupid' in the opinion of others. But the truth is to play in Global Economics you need to be smart. It is odd how it is easy to denegrade Americans. 'How can a people so stupid be so wealthy?' Well maybe there not so stupid. Only in geography, they dont even know where Brazil is. Why the f**k do we need to know where Brazil is when my Mercedez works just fine without my knowing the language of Brazil or the capital of Hong Kong or anything else. Knowledge adds a dimension to the quality of one's life. There is wrote knowledge and there is the knowledge of doing. Americans detest school, it is a twelve year party, little is learned by most, but a few become 'lights onto the world'.
If we are so dumb why do the best and the brightest from all over the world come to study at our Universities, and there are so many of them, a veritable litany of Harvards and Princetons and MITs and Stanfords and Berkleys. It is only a matter of money and intellligent government that built the educcational institutions in the U.S. It is simplistically the 'Protestant work ethic'. While Brazil at its founding was based upon the consciousness of Portugal, the U.S. was based upon Pilgrims and the right of law and work. It was the German, the Dutch, the Italian, the Swede, the English, the Irish, that built the U.S. In winter you need a house of stone, in the Southern Hemisphere a house of grass will do.

Well Bovespa is up again today and what is good for Bovespa is good for Brazil. Takes money to change anything.

And Canada, oh speak to me of Canada and how the capitalist Western Provinces, the suppliers of all the wealth of Canada hate the Eastern Provinces, the Socialist that spend the money, and the French of Quebec, yeh speak to me of Canada a country of provincials. Vancouver and Montreal and McGill University the rest are manniquens for J.C.Penny fashion. You can always tell a Canadian eh?

Money buys law and law enables change.

Well, brazil now has the 10th largest economy, how much money does it need?? Think maybe "most" of that money, in particular "public money", isn't being used for what it should be??? Don't know for certain, just brainstorming here.

Link to the report
written by Ludwig Van Beethoven, 2007-04-03 12:08:30

http://www.ustr.gov/Document_Library/Reports_Publications/2007/2007_NTE_Report/Section_Index.html

Thanks LVB, anyone who reads that report will see what an extremely protectionist country brazil is. If you want others to remove barriers to trade, you must certainly reciprocate. But that's never been big on the agenda in brazil....fairness.

The Northern Hemisphere includes North Africa (Egypt) as well as China, Russia, India, Greece and Rome.

The Norther Europeans settled New England. It was there that industrialized America had its origins. It was a continuation of North European civilization, particular the ethos of work, religon, and an obedience to law.

It was the South that became the agronomized U.S. built on the backs of Slavery.

This was the cause of the Civil War and the Emancipation Declaration. 150 years ago and it is still evening itself out. Then there was the great Western Expansion, with its infinite natural wealth, built on the backs of the Chinese, but in the course of the past 150 years this too has sought equilibrium.

rote learning (rt)
n.
Learning or memorization by repetition, often without an understanding of the reasoning or relationships involved in the material that is learned.

ABr. you are intransigent. Your mind is made up, you have reached your learned conclusions, regardless of their inherent historical fallaciousness.

The Northern Hemisphere includes North Africa (Egypt) as well as China, Russia, India, Greece and Rome.

Your geography is too flawed. Sometimes you don't consider Portugal to be "western" on the grounds that's too close to "Africa", and later tell that even Egypt is part of the "North". Hahahaha

Yes, Egypt is very cold you know, that's why they need houses of stone, right? Give me a break. It's funny you included China in the "protestant ethics" of yours! Were the portuguese and spanish "protestants"? You know, they were the greatest navigators of their time.

Not very historically accurate. There's absolutely no connection whatsoever with this notion of "north is rich", and you seem to have changed your mind along the way. Until recently you stated that "Portugal" was not part of the "West", and now even includes Egypt and China in the "us".

written by decy, 2007-04-03 02:05:31

There's always one person on the forum stil stuck in the ignorance of denial.
Owning a cellphone, a Tv? That sure is proof of an evolving culture, yup you got that right...
Is that really your counter argument for what was clearly a thoughtful reflection of the current state of education in Brazil.
I don't know whether Cristovam is actually a politician for the people or just another corrupt individual trying to bribe his way back into power but I do know that Brazil does indeed have a serious education deficiency (among other things) and everytime someone gets up the nerve to point it out or at least summon some form of awareness to the situation there always seems to be a equal amount of Idiots ready to defend the BS that is now such an integral part of Brazilian culture.

Poverty and violence isn't Brazils biggest ailement. Ignorance and denial is.
The country is as beautiful as it is backwards... and it's a really beautiful country.

A brazilian is correct, wireless phones and televisions (especially color) are not 19th century technologies. Both came by or after mid 20th century. My mother (baby boomer generation) can still remember when as a child her family got their first tv. My mother can also remember watching "milk men" deliver milk to households by ways of horse drawn carts. And this was in an industrial midwestern city of the United States and not in a small rural town.

written by bo, 2007-04-03 04:48:00


written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.


Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast!

The Canadian was correct that there are small pockets within certain areas of the U.S. South that are circa 1920's at best in infrastructure (that's including schooling) and lifestyle. Namely certain rural parts of MIssissippi. I saw a show on public television about this approximately a year or two ago.

Have you been to Egypt? They were master stone masons, do you know how cold it gets in winter there? Does it ever snow?

I was talking about the foundation of the U.S. the early Pilgrim foundation, The Dutch founding of New York, The Germans in Pennsylvania. The Chinese, build in stone, ie the Great Wall of China, as well as India, or Cambodia.

Portugual were great global explorers and traders in the 1400 and 1500's they were great entrepeneurs. But nothing Portugal built equalled the architecture of England, the inventions of England, the literature of England (who is the Portuguese equivalent of Shakespeare?), where are the equivalent thinkers of Austria, Germany, Holland, but these are all asides.

The Spanish and Portuguese were great explorers, as were the English, the Dutch and the French. But what is the nature of the civilizations that they created in the wake of their exploration and exploitation?

'Just because I'm wrong doesn't make you right'

BTY it does snow in Egypt in winter, though the snow does not remain on the ground for long, particularly Cairo and the Sinai. And I think the Pyramids were made of stone, and the Parthenon, and the Pantheon, and Babylon and on and on.

I disagree; I believe that Luis de Camoes is in the same level of Shakespeare. And Shakespeare was influenced a lot by the Latin way of Italy and France. Portugal's problem was that they stayed connected to old feudal ideas for to long. Eca de Queiros, another great Portuguese writer, used to criticize the provincial head of the Portuguese and Brazilians. Latter Monteiro Lobato did the same for Brazil. The Portuguese Empire had great thinkers, Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva, Padre Antonio Vieira, Diogo Feijo and many others. The difference is that the Portuguese were comfortable with all the power they acquired. Brazil was very rich (before 1750’s) and had more wealth than North America. The Gold and Diamond period of Minas Gerais, the largest plantations in the world in the Northeast of Brazil and latter the rich coffee plantations and Industrial tycoons of Sao Paulo. The United States was built by simple man that fought for everything they have, Brazil was built using the old aristocratic system (Feudal). I believe that the Portuguese were the most efficient agricultural civilization in history, the USA and England got strong with the Industrial Revolution and they demonstrated to be the best in the Industrial period. Portugal and Brazil were stuck in a mindset of old feudal Europe, and some people still are.

Obrigado.

....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why do you have only 10,5 % of students with University degree, against 50 % in the USA ?????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why are Brazilians going in the USA and the EU when they desire a better higher education but no
EU or U.S. student go to Brazil ???????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why has Jornal Hodge, owned by Globo TV, in their test, ranked Brazil LAST out of 32 countries ?????? In the 32 countries.... obviously many were developing countries TOO !!!!!!
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why has Brazil SO FEW PATENTS ????????
....IF Brazilian education is so superior to the U.S. or even the EU education, why your exports are comprised mostly of basic commodities and LOW value added products....and not of Brazilian High Technolgy ?????

Funny that with such a good education, you have no Brazilian cars or trucks manufacturers, no semiconductor industry, no real international drugs companies, no Brazilian HDTV standard, no local telecom products except those under foreign licences, no real mobile phone, or PC manufacturer, or engine manufacturer except assembly lines,
No precision machinery industry, etc etc etc

Strange, yessssss really strange !!!!!!!! hmmmmm !

In the USA, the biggest workers shortage are qualified nurses. Strange that they provide working visas mostly to Asian Nurses......not Brazilians !!!!

Laugh....laugh....laugh !!!!!!

Don't be ridiculous. I think LVB helped a little and it showed how hopelessly ignorant you are.

What mason crap is that? Egyptians, 5000 years ago, were mason? Hahahahahahahaha. Let me do like ch.c, LAUGH... LAUGH... LAUGH... These people believe in fairy tales! Incredible!

Portugal was a major world potence in its time of glory, I suggest you to study a little about history. Do you want a history course in this forum for you? A hint, Wikipedia is not a valid source for anything. Nowadays any clown reads wikipedia and think it is a f**king doctor.

In Brazil it snows too, by the way. Not that it makes any difference.

You are a 'junkie' junkie. Your use of the word is a seemingly obsessive compulsive disorder. BTY Brazil makes some great cars. It would do well to export them. Why dont you focus on what Brazil does have ie some of the most innovative agronomy in the world, instead of constantly harping on what is wrong. Your hatred is an obsessive addiction. The C.J. Jung Institue in Zurich could be of help.

You are a kind of 'junkie' a junkie of vitriol. Thorazine could be of help or Prozac.

Thesaurus words for "junkie":
LSD user, acidhead, addict, alcoholic, chain smoker,
cocaine sniffer, cokie, cubehead, dipsomaniac, dope fiend, doper,
drug abuser, drug addict, drug user, drunkard, fiend, freak,
glue sniffer, habitual, head, heavy smoker, hophead, hype,
marijuana smoker, methhead, narcotics addict, pillhead, pothead,
snowbird, speed freak, tripper, user

'Hopelessly ignorant' how dramatic. Each of the million blocks of stone that comprise the pyramids was cut by stone masons. Have you been to Egypt and seen the ruins? They are all comprised of blocks of stones, they were as were the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Cambodians, Indians, Chinese all master stone masons, cutters of stone.

Hopelessly ignorant of Portugal but in the hierchy of studies it was not on the cirriculum, though www.madredeus.com/
Is so elegantly beautiful. And Cervantes and the Bullfights in Barcelona, along with flamenco and classical guitar was the last of my studies of Spain. Have you driven through the Pyrennes in winter? No? I thought not.

Thank you Aes. I admire you because you have something that I barely have today: hope in Brazil. Brazilians should thank you. As you stated here before, you are investing in the Bovespa and Brazilian companies. You constantly show an interest to learn about Brazil and you are always a gentleman. I am also a constant student and I admire people like you. Obrigado.

I certainly don't know a lot of "truths" you do. What else do you have to add:

- Hitler didn't die, but escaped in a Nazi ufo?
- The Earth is hollow and inside of it the hyperboreans (?) live?
- Gnomes do exist?
- Aryans came from another planet?

Oh boy. That connection with "masons" from egypt was the most laughable piece of crap ever written.

http://noticias.uol.com.br/eco...89845.jhtm

11 from the 20 most lucrative companies, including the number 1, in latin america are brazilians. What were you saying again?

NOW I LAUGH... I LAUGH... I LAUGH!

But nothing Portugal built equalled the architecture of England, the inventions of England, the literature of England (who is the Portuguese equivalent of Shakespeare?), where are the equivalent thinkers of Austria, Germany, Holland, but these are all asides.

You constantly show an interest to learn about Brazil and you are always a gentleman

Humm, really? He is working in a thesis of "snow" means richness, and that was because ancient Egypt was great, because it had snow.

Doesn´t really redound to Brazil´s favor. First of all, they are lucrative in absolute terms, not as a profit percentage of assets or transactions. Some of them are just huge because for many years those areas were government monopolies and they were the only players in their fields.

Second, the biggies are in finance and raw materials or commodities, with the exception of Gerdau, which processes raw materials into rebar etc. But basically no finished manufacturing, no R&D, nothing complicated.

It´s very revealing but not in a positive way. Wish it were. As it´s half the land mass of South America, one could hardly expect Brazil to rank any lower than it does.

1 - It's much more than anything said about Brazil in this forum;
2- Brazilian talent is everywhere, not only in brazilian companies. Many multinationals profit from it, Bosch and the flex-fuel engine is a perfect example of that;
3- This reveals that no other country is leaving Brazil behind as many said in here many times over;
4- In order to extract many minerals and other natural resources, which is the case of the number 1, Petrobras, it's necessary a high level of skill and technology. Petrobras beat records in deep sea exploration;

This is just a sample. Many other big brazilian companies, techonological companies, were left behind. But it serves as a reminder to the bigots that come here of what the reality is. Brazil is number 1 and the 10th economy of the world.

The last two days were very productive in here. The bigots were speechless, all false claims were showed promptly otherwise. The best moment is when Bo said that "large percentages" don't even go to school, and ...BANG... he was caught in a lie!

Shut up now. Hahaha

It's snowing up your nose. You do not differentiate between Western Civilization and the Northern Hemisphere. You are tedious
You can be from China and be in the Northern Hemisphere and be non Western. And you can be from Portugal and be more Moorish, Easterm, than Western and still be in the Northern Hemisphere.

But you cannot be from Tahiti, or Hawaii, or Brazill and be from the Northern Hemisphere. Machu Pichu is built in snow of stone.

Your thinking is built of stone. Dense. Did you ever visit Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Now there is stone work, the Gothic, built in snow, transcending Earth to the God. 800 years old, twice the age of the country of Brazil.

written by A brazilian, 2007-04-03 22:05:08

The last two days were very productive in here. The bigots were speechless, all false claims were showed promptly otherwise. The best moment is when Bo said that "large percentages" don't even go to school, and ...BANG... he was caught in a lie!

Once again, for the ten-thousandth time, you're shown to be a liar and deniar. And this time, you even provided the link!! Now, for children 7 until 14 years of age ONLY 2.9% of children do not attend, that equals 809,000 students, certainly nothing to be proud of, but I can understand how some people are, fore just 12 years ago this particular age group had 11.4% that did not attend school, so this particular age group in education attendance has improved dramatically over the last decade.

Now, when we enlarge this age group to include brazilians that are less than 18 years old, which naturally is the age in which one graduates high school, the increase is dramatic. This category contains 60.1 million adolescents in which 15.8 million, or 26.3 % do not attend school. Seven million do not attend because of a lack of educational institutions, the lack of proper documentation, or sickness. Five million three hundred thousand don't attend from this group simply because they don't want to, and the rest, which equals nearly 4 million brazilian children don't attend because they have to work.

Abe, brazil is much bigger than your little reality there in Sao Paulo. Hate to tell you, but massive states exist in brazil, their names are Amazonas, Tocatins, Mato Grosso, Piaui, Permanbuco, Bahia, Alagoas, Sergipe, etc, etc, etc. They exist, they are poor, there are millions of school aged brazilian children, to the tune of 25%, that don't attend school. An unfortunate and tragic reality, yet another, and possibly the saddest and disheartening of all, in brazil.

Thanks for the link.

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written by e harmony, 2007-04-03 16:26:08

written by bo, 2007-04-03 04:48:00


written by Romo, 2007-04-02 22:17:55

I make $4000 Canadian per month as a first year teacher. My mother in law in Brazil makes $250 as a principal. A 'salary floor'! Sounds like a base that sits far below the surface. Add to that, she has not been paid for salary increases and awarded benefits for years.
Oh, and to the American. You're education does suck. Deep south education is not much better than NorthEast Brazilian education.


Please Romo, I spent 7 years in the southeast of the U.S., and I've been in the northeast of brazil for close to the last 10 years. Don't try and compare the united states to brazil, let alone the northeast!



The Canadian was correct that there are small pockets within certain areas of the U.S. South that are circa 1920's at best in infrastructure (that's including schooling) and lifestyle. Namely certain rural parts of MIssissippi. I saw a show on public television about this approximately a year or two ago.

No, the Canadian wasn't correct, he's comparing the northeast of brazil to the southeast of the U.S., in their entirety, now you start talking about "pockets" in bumf**k mississippi. We're not blind E-Sodomy, we see what you attempt to "prove" and exactly how you do it, laughable at best.

I guess I could go to this favella that is 15 minutes away from where I live, they don't have running water and live in huts made from sticks and banana leaves with dirt floors and say that IS northeast brazil??

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written by e harmony, 2007-04-03 16:19:55
My mother can also remember watching "milk men" deliver milk to households by ways of horse drawn carts. And this was in an industrial midwestern city of the United States and not in a small rural town.

Hell, come to my city, the capitol of a state. We have to dodge the horse-drawn carts everday, in 2007! They do everything from move "furniture", to collect garbage, to transport the "tadinhos" to a place where they'll work to make a dollar or two a day.

Give up. You are the most confused person alive, you change subjects, mixture everything, say one thing and few posts later say another, first you are excludent then try to include whatever you need in one big ball of things, and use simple and false logic. When you really don't think you know something like "where's your Shakespeare", you put silly questions trying to impress the reader. Not that the affirmations were any better, you are just deluded into thinking you know it all but, ultimately, you don't.

That might work with illiterate monkeys, such as Bo, but will not with intelligent people. You are a farse! This so-called knowledge of yours is nothing but a house of cards you built carefully using the most common myth accepted in the american culture, usually involving whites.

BTW, your final remarks about "you are this... you are that" are kind of getting boring.

I have offered you real statistics and what have you replied?

ore just 12 years ago this particular age group had 11.4% that did not attend school

We aren't talking about the past, we are talking about today! Take your head out of your ass and stop making up statistics, you have been slapped on the face with the reality and no "magical statistics" you can come up with will change the reality. The levels of children going to school are higher than ever and close to 100%! Haha

I LAUGH... I LAUGH... I LAUGH...

Well good lucidity at last. I really dont give a f**k as to your perception. You throw a stone in the water to see the effect, and by observing the effect, learn. I dont give a sh*t about your opinion. I am not writing a dissertation. The confusion is yours (or whoever was writing) it had been a response to a confusion of thought, a litany of absurdity after absurdity . House of cards? I havent heard that experssion in twenty years, it is obsolete it and is not used any longer, by intelligencia (you do consider yourself intelligencia). You have, however reached an erronious conclusion). 'Illiterate monkeys' is not used either. It is pathetically stupid, even for a simian. It indicates a lack of breeding or education. You know nothing of American history or its mythology. You mistake the kindness of not criticizing your pathetic English or logic as a 'back handed complement'. You are objecting to the word tedious, how about shallow. There is a difference between fact and opinion. And your opinion is irrelevent.

BTY I knew that in asking 'where's your Shakespeare, where's your Louvre, where is your Kant, Spinoza, Einstein, etc? I would get a response telling me who you thought were these counterparts, and I did. LVB was kind enough to provide me with a series of individuals that he regarded to be comparable. Portugal is not studied at University unless you are, for some obscure reason majoring in it. It was however learned to be two things, it was for one a great seafaring country (we learn of Vasco da Gama in grammar school), and and we learn later, that it was the greatest slave trader in the 1400's and 1500's, it was the 'sine qua non' of the buying and selling of human beings.

Go back to your cage now AES.

Spoken like a true pedant.

"But not everyone had an education! Most men and women I met had work that paid almost nothing to pay for education that had to be completed while working. I met teachers who's annual wages are disgustling low. Two of the teachers I met were going to University at night to change there careers to earn a better income. That's insane! Teachers are a critical resource, education is the only true way a people can create and sustain change."

For a teacher you certainly make a lot of English mistakes. I think you meant "whose," "disgustingly," and "their." Teachers have an obligation to write better than their students.

The National Defense Education Act (NDEA) is a United States Act of Congress, passed in 1958 providing aid to education in the United States at all levels, both public and private.
The NDEA was instituted primarily to stimulate the advancement of education in science, mathematics, and modern foreign languages; but it has also provided aid in other areas, including technical education, area studies, geography, English as a second language, counseling and guidance, school libraries and librarianship, and educational media centers. One of its purposes was to keep the United States ahead of the Soviet Union during the space race through education. The Act provides institutions of higher education with 90% of capital funds for low-interest loans to students. NDEA also gives federal support for improvement and change in elementary and secondary education. The Act contains statutory prohibitions of federal direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution.

Something to consider.

He is not a native speaker of English, you should write as well in Portuguese; and his field is Economics not English Literature.

Bo, the denier of the reality
written by A brazilian, 2007-04-04 10:59:06

I have offered you real statistics and what have you replied?

ore just 12 years ago this particular age group had 11.4% that did not attend school



We aren't talking about the past, we are talking about today! Take your head out of your ass and stop making up statistics, you have been slapped on the face with the reality and no "magical statistics" you can come up with will change the reality. The levels of children going to school are higher than ever and close to 100%! Haha

I LAUGH... I LAUGH... I LAUGH...

I showed statistics, that were provided by YOU, by the way!! LOL!!! More than 25% of brazilians younger than 18 years of age do NOT attend school!!!



Live with it!





You are.

Until all them little chillun now studying in MST schools at the MST encampments, come of age. Think we´ve got problems now? Just wait.

A revolution is needed for Brazil, but Brazil is such a tropically passive country...
Lamentável

I have often criticized Brazil for its reluctance to fight the real causes of crime (unequal opportunities for poor people , bad education, hidden racism, oligarhic post-colonial society, high gini index etc), but it is still a beautiful country and a lot better than the US, where people are obsessed by money while remaning scarily ingnorant.

You cannot tolerate that ignorant junk-food obese people who only watch entertainment tv rule the world, just look at the mess up of Iraq, it's a product of their total ignorance ragarding the world (50% of high school student can't even find their own US state on the map by the way let alone understand the ethnic/social/religious pattern of other countries...)

They thought they could go to Bagdad Schwarzennegger like and and win the war and fix everything, in a few years they'll have to flee like they did in Viet Nam.

writing has nothing to do with the topic, and disjointed logic.
Europeans are nothing more than serfs, still after a thousand years of history; rather than toiling for the landowner they toil for the government.
Once again Eurotrash blaming their superiors for the ills of the world.

I showed statistics, that were provided by YOU, by the way!! LOL!!! More than 25% of brazilians younger than 18 years of age do NOT attend school!!!

Can you read portuguese? I will try to help:

O governo divulgou nesta quarta-feira uma pesquisa que afirma que aproximadamente 809 mil crianças e adolescentes de sete a 14 anos, que representam 2,9% dos 28 milhões de brasileiros com idade para cursar a educação básica, não foram

Later:

A pesquisa também revelou que, dos cerca de 60,1 milhões de brasileiros com menos de 18 anos, 15,8 milhões (26,3%) não passaram pela escola

Remember 14 to 18, because the 7 to 14 was given earlier.

The age of 14 is old enough to get a job if your family is poor. The point from the study is that the primary education is done by almost 100%, the secondary education is not. A good secondary education is important if you want to get into a college, definitely not important if you will work in the civil construction or in some other job that doesn't require a brain.

Give up.

The difference between Europe and the US is that European culture stems from the Greek-Roman tradition whereas yours from Hollywood and Mac Donald.

you know even less of the US than I suspected.
If Hollywood promotes freedom, then I'll take that tradition. Our form of Gov't was established with the help of the greatest thinkers of all time, those Greeks and Romans, at least those who wanted freedom.

European culture is based on serfdom, the welfare and nanny states. Europeans trade one form of Mommy for another.

Just because your state run media tells you that Hollywood and McDonald's are our cultural norms doesn't make it true.

A CURPA É DI PORTUGAU. ELE FEZ DI NÓIS UM PAÍS POBRE.
PORTUGAU EXPLORAVA A GENTE, NUNCA INVESTIU BULHUFAIX
NUNCA ABRIU FACURDADE NEIN NADA
POR ISSO A GENTE NEIM FALA UM PORTUGUEIX DIREITO
A GENTE FALAMO TUDO ERRADO

A GENTE SOMO POBRE I IGUINORANTI
written by POBREZINHA DA ROCINHA, 2007-04-05 12:12:28

ACERTOU CERTINHO,MANO

Do Americans visiting your country act like some of the posters on this site? I'm used to our cheerleaders at home, here in the US, but, just curious if this is the norm. Also, if they do, will I have to constantly explain myself?

I am planning to visit Brazil at the end of the year. I've never considered Brasil some backwater country, so I'm not familiar with the mentality presented here by some of the citizens of my home country.

Also, please understand that not all Americans are arrogant, fat and stupid. But, in the face of the obvious, in all honestly, there are alot. CNN had a segment where a lady walked around Manhattan, and asked people to point out the island on the Map. I think one guy got New York State, which was close, but..

I dont know if our self-imposed ignorance will be cured, which is sad, because we do have a lot of things to offer people. We're an easily distracted nation, not sure why.

Plenty of my countrymen will point out flaws in other people's countries, while ignoring similar issues at home.

Anyways, I believe that a country is "Great" by the actions of it's people, not by the size of their wallet.

Of course, that's a heretical and minority opinion here in the US. Oh well.

Thanks

written by Kendra Lowson Ferreira, 2007-04-05 07:26:37

A revolution is needed for Brazil, but Brazil is such a tropically passive country...
Lamentável smilies/sad.gif

Yeah, 55,000 people murdered in brazil in 2005, wouldn't quite characterize brazilians as "passive".

Bo
written by A brazilian, 2007-04-05 10:05:07

I showed statistics, that were provided by YOU, by the way!! LOL!!! More than 25% of brazilians younger than 18 years of age do NOT attend school!!!



Can you read portuguese? I will try to help:

O governo divulgou nesta quarta-feira uma pesquisa que afirma que aproximadamente 809 mil crianças e adolescentes de sete a 14 anos, que representam 2,9% dos 28 milhões de brasileiros com idade para cursar a educação básica, não foram



Later:

A pesquisa também revelou que, dos cerca de 60,1 milhões de brasileiros com menos de 18 anos, 15,8 milhões (26,3%) não passaram pela escola



Remember 14 to 18, because the 7 to 14 was given earlier.

The age of 14 is old enough to get a job if your family is poor. The point from the study is that the primary education is done by almost 100%, the secondary education is not. A good secondary education is important if you want to get into a college, definitely not important if you will work in the civil construction or in some other job that doesn't require a brain.

Give up.

Listen Abe Razillion idiot, the U.S. as well as Canada, as well as many other first world countries do not seperate primary and secondary education, they are grouped together, K-12. Brazil having 16 MILLION children under the age of 18 not attending school is horrific, and is one of the primary factors in making it a third world country. As I stated before, brazil has large percentages of school aged children that don't even attend school! And that statement, by your the very link you provided, is 100% accurate, and everyone here can see that as well as your blatent denial of reality.

Do Americans visiting your country act like some of the posters on this site?
All Gringoes are the same!
I'm used to our cheerleaders at home, here in the US, but, just curious if this is the norm.
We do not have cheerleaders here, please bring some with you!
Also, if they do, will I have to constantly explain myself?
Only if you speak in Portuguese!

I am planning to visit Brazil at the end of the year.
Bring lots of dollars with you!!
I've never considered Brasil some backwater country,
You spelled brazil wrong in English!
so I'm not familiar with the mentality presented here by some of the citizens of my home country.
They are stupid Gringoes

Also, please understand that not all Americans are arrogant, fat and stupid.
We like the nice ones, thin and rich
But, in the face of the obvious, in all honestly, there are alot.
Yes
CNN had a segment where a lady walked around Manhattan, and asked people to point out the island on the Map. I think one guy got New York State, which was close, but..
Was this lady unemployed? Poor thing.

I dont know if our self-imposed ignorance will be cured, which is sad,
We don’t think so here.
because we do have a lot of things to offer people.
What are you offering?
We're an easily distracted nation, not sure why.
Too much war probably?

Plenty of my countrymen will point out flaws in other people's countries, while ignoring similar issues at home.
Stupid gringos!

Anyways, I believe that a country is "Great" by the actions of it's people, not by the size of their wallet.
Someone stole my wallet last week.

Of course, that's a heretical and minority opinion here in the US. Oh well.
What does heretical mean? Minority? You Americans are so racist!

Thanks
De nada.

And you forgot to capitalize Brazil in English.
Brazilian Academy of Letters established in 1897: The paper money of 1917 uses the spelling 'BRAZIL'
For a few decades, both Brazil and Brasil were used, even in official documents. Probably, during that period, the word "Brazil" was used more often than Brasil in English speaking countries. Even after Brazilians decided in favor of "Brasil", other countries continued using the form Brasil.

No offense to anyone else, but.
written by c, 2007-04-05 16:07:24

Is that you Nancy Pelosi?

Is that you Nancy Pelosi?

I wouldnt like to be your enemy

Today, you are very aggressive,but correct in calling the Swiss racists. I hereby declare that henceforth Swiss Chocolate will be called "Freedom Chocolates". According to the good Professor, these Swiss are called United Swiss Bandits.

BTW, do you really think that this Che.G is really Swiss?. I dont think so.

Confoederatio Helvetica, the country's official Latin name, means Helvetic Confederation. The use of Latin avoids having to favour one of the four national languages. The abbreviation (CH) is used for the same reason.

The impact of Globalisation and the European Union on Switzerland is evident in the increasing foreign population, particularly in the major cities of Zurich and Geneva. The influx of foreigners into the country is generally perceived negatively on grounds that foreigners are believed to be the driving cause of increase in crime, Swiss unemployment, and littering. This has provided extreme right wing political parties like the SVP and the Schweizer Demokraten with a unique opportunity to increase their political clout. Some regions have also witnessed an increase in activity of racist and neo-Nazi groups.

A predominant cultural tendency in Switzerland is responsibility, safety, and respect for the rule of law with people even hesitant to cross the street unless the walk sign is green. Switzerland has traditionally had a very low rate and rep**ation for crime, yet many Swiss are concerned the crime rates have been slightly increasing with the large influxes of immigrants. On occasion, as reported in the newspapers, there are instances of a mugging, robbery, or attack on the streets of a big city, yet this is still quite rare, and even young women or children will walk unaccompanied through the forests or cities. The Swiss are well known for their affinity for cleanliness and punctuality, which is often the source of jokes. This rep**ation is not unfounded.

Perhaps all of this explains his antipathy to Brasil, his behavior as manifested by his writings/rantings is psychothymic.

A brief history written by an American from a British prospective.
Feel free to opine...

Early in Swiss history they were contaminated by the French, here lies the problem.
The result of this contamination produced excessive amounts of carbon dioxide gas,
which in turn corrupted their cheese, in frustration of being unable to plug the holes
in the cheese they decided much later to join the E.U. Their embarrassment continues
to present. Their national treasure:
http://www.swedishbikiniteam.com/
However, guarantees that the carpet matches the curtains thereby putting an end
to any relation to Dumb Blondes whose carpet does not generally match the curtains.

No,C. The Americans who post their comments in this site are sinister characters most of whom own alligator farms and highly anti Brazilians (and they dont like the Swiss either). They dont warn their fellow citizens who want to come over here that there are plenty of native Indians ,highly trained (by the Americans) out to get the American vistors with their poisoned arrows.If the visitors get through the first barrage of attacks, then they have to confront with the allegators, which by the way are fed with Big Macs and Swiss Chocolates. So it is a pure Indian territory.

However, you are most welcome to visit our country and we will certainly protect you from these maurading fellow citizens of yours.And dont listen to the "Professor" and make sure that you bring Nancy Pelosi with you. I like that lady and dont know what the good Professor has against her.

Quote below from....http://www.swedishbikiniteam.com/nsnm/index.html

We left the other SBT members on assignment in Sweden because of the SEPTEMBER 11 attack on the USA. Go USA! Lets get those terrorist bastards…It's a good thing that we elected George W. Bush instead of that pussy what's-his-name. Bush is definitely a he-man.

Blonde Power!

I guess "C " would not believe it if I told him Monkeys run wild in the streets of Rio, then?
Don't believe me watch the episode of the Simpsons "Blame it on Lisa'
or watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EPIHKZE2bI

Hi AES/Professor,

Thank you both so much for the info. . Have you guys been to Switzerland?. I have never been there. Europe really bores me. I prefer U.S and Canada to visit and enjoy the hospitality of the people.

I like that lady and dont know what the good Professor has against her.

I know why you like her João. "A panela velha é que faz comida boa!"

I just do not support her trip to Syria....

I know why you like her João. "A panela velha é que faz comida boa!"

How did you manage to read my mind?

The closest I got was cancelling a skiing trip to the Alps in Favor of Hogmanay in Edinburgh, Scotland.
I come to the conclusion it was better to stay drunk in Scotland for New Years for 3 days, than break my leg skiing.
I spent four more years crawling the best pubs in the U.K. and found no need to cross the channel.
My wife however, just told me she loved Geneva when she was there, and her descriptions fit what aes said above.
She has been to almost all the major cities in Europe and is at present trying to convince me to take a trip to
Portugal to do some research work. I am not a Euronut like her, so perhaps she can drop me off in Ireland and I will
stay at a pub until she retrieves me later!

The closest I got was cancelling a skiing trip to the Alps in Favor of Hogmanay in Edinburgh, Scotland.
I come to the conclusion it was better to stay drunk in Scotland for New Years for 3 days, than break my leg skiing.
I spent four more years crawling the best pubs in the U.K. and found no need to cross the channel.
My wife however, just told me she loved Geneva when she was there, and her descriptions fit what aes said above.
She has been to almost all the major cities in Europe and is at present trying to convince me to take a trip to
Portugal to do some research work. I am not a Euronut like her, so perhaps she can drop me off in Ireland and I will
stay at a pub until she retrieves me later!

I guess your wife is a Brazilian that explains why she is an euronut. My wife went a couple of times to Europe a few years ago and she did like Lisbon,while I was enjoying the pub crawling here.She says that Lisbon is a nice city to visit,though for a short stay. Lisbon is much safer and nicer than SP. So you should consider going with your wife.If you dont like it, there is always the option of going to London Town (or Ireland) and enjoy all the good things it offeres and wait till your wife rescues you .BTW,after my wife´s two visits to Europe, she got cured of that Euromania. So I recommend that you accompany your wife to Portugal and I am sure that you will come back speaking Portuguese with upper class Lisbon accent!

I guess your wife is a Brazilian that explains why she is an euronut.

You hit the nail right on the head!
Thanks for the advice! I should go with my wife! But I am a travel nut, so I am a bit worried
I might get addicted to Europe myself! And I already know "to do Europe" "in style" cost one
an arm and a leg!
Plus I am quite interested in Portugal too, because of its history to Brazil. As I once mentioned
that I have traveled to 70 cities in Brazil, you can only imagine the architecture that I have seen
with Portuguese origins. So going there would finish the picture that Brazil has painted in my mind.
Plus I could try out my Paulistano/Carioca/American accent and confuse the natives there!
Sadly, I must say without saying much, time is short, very short, if it is granted to me to go, go I shall!

I hitched to Basel from Strassbourg and causgt a ride to Lucerne and then took a train to Milan, as hitchiking in the winter through the Alps would have at best been foolish. The Swiss in 1971 were a dull lot, almost emotionless, on the verge of boring. If it werent for C.J. Jung they would be of little interest as I found the southern Pyranees 'non pareil' betwen France in Spain, I drove a V.W. I had bought in Amsterdam to Valencia in '73 purposely avoiding Switzerland.

KD O KABELERERO?

KUER FICAR CON NENCY PELOSI NAO? LOGO MAIS ELA VISITA A ROCINHA. FICA CON O CABELO DELA PRA VENDER E COMPRAR MERENDA E OS EEUU GRADECE.

OUTRA COISA NAO ESTA NOS ENGANADO NAO PORQUE POBRE LASCADO FAVELADO SEMPRE COLOCA DOIS L E UM R NA PALABRA KABELERERO E NAO DOIS R E UM L COMO NEM TU. VORTA A FALAR DIRETINHO.

EM VEIZ DA GENTE FICÁ INSINANO PORTUGUEIX NA IXKOLA, A GENTE BEM PODERIAMO INSIAR O INGREIS.
INTAUM, IA TÊ MAIS INGRESSO PRA GENTI ENTRÁ NO SHOW DOS EUA...SHOW DE BOLA, PURçiNAU!

NUM FAÇO IMPÉM MAS POR CAUSA DA LISEIRA PREFIRO FINCAR QUI EM CASA GUARDANDO A QUARTOTA.

Deçe, deçe, deçe glamuroza
sóbe, sóbe, sóbe glamuroza
ate o xaun!

Zoi cumprido nao presta para xexelento.

Listen Abe Razillion idiot, the U.S. as well as Canada, as well as many other first world countries do not seperate primary and secondary education...

You are such a clueless idiot, who cares!? These are the statistics and 97% of the children go to school! Give up, I have pasted the link here! What are you arguing about? That the division in schooling is "wrong", IBGE is wrong and you, Bo, is the only right? So having basic, medium and superior levels in Brazil should not be counted because you decided so? 17 years olds aren't exactly children anymore, I got my first job when I was 16!

This is so basic for anyone living in Brazil, in the last decade there was a big program (or maybe more than one) from the government with the purpose of making sure all children attended school, if I recall correctly it was called "Toda a criança na escola", and that's why, oh genius, that the numbers are close to 100%. Of course not all problems were solved, but at least almost all children are going to school!

Admit it, I proved you were wrong. End of the story.

the very stats I posted are from the link you provided!!!


So you're going to classify school-aged children only up to 14 years of age??? Check out the stats of children under the age of 18.....more than 25% don't attend! My point, at least to anyone in the first world, was proven.


No wonder brazil is third world!

BO baby, why do you bother? It’s futile. It is bad enough that a significant percentage of kids don’t go to school and an even larger percentage don’t finish, but the real problem for all involved is that those who do go are subjected to one of the worst educational experiences in the world. Lula, as little as two weeks ago, admitted that, and post after post by A Brazilian proves that.

Lula Quote: NÂO TEMOS EDUCAÇÃO DE QUALIDADE NO BRASIL. ESTAMOS ENTRE OS PIORES DO MUNDO”

You are arguing with the direct result of the Brazilian educational system, rationality will not prevail. You are wasting your time, although by baiting and bitch slapping a Brazilian you are providing hours and comedic fodder. Keep up the good fight, as a vetran in Brazil it is your duty to keep the neophytes factually informed.

You the perfect example of leftist retard, or just another gringo mindless bashed. No real information to provide, only sensationalistic unfounded affirmations.

Despite how bad our education system is, I still know 4 languages plus Latin and I know where Iraq is in a map. Tell me how many people in the marvellous "first world" can do that.

You the perfect example of leftist retard,

De acordo

Despite how bad our education system is, I still know 4 languages plus Latin and I know where Iraq is in a map. Tell me how many people in the marvellous "first world" can do that

Não tenho dúvidas.

Sou João da Silva e não JOÃO PINGA

I doubt you're fluent in four languages “office boy”, but if so, big whoop. I speak three going on four as well, but don’t feel that is what gauges my intelligence. There are tribes that speak upwards of 5 - 6 languages and or dialects, but couldn’t write their names on paper to save their lives.

Finding Iraq on a map? Is THAT your litmus test for intelligence? Figures! How many more typical Anti American stereotypes can you roll out “João Feijão”? Steal the Amazon? Thinking that Buenos Aires is the capital of Brazil? Come on, get some new material you bean eating lying little vira-lata f**ktard, your old stuff is getting stale.

Here´s a test for you; hit any corner boteca in Sampa. ANYONE. Bring a map, no names, and ask your little shirtless cachaça-swilling brainiacs to point out the Distrito Federal in Brazil. I’d wage my left nut that most wouldn’t know. Asking them to point out capitals from other nations around the world would be academic cruelty.

Anyone who has spent any considerable amount of time in Brazil, whether they are from the US, Canada or Europe, knows just how backwards Brazil is and just how retarded and conniving most of the knuckle-draggers are.

How many dead in Rio since February?

http://www.riobodycount.com.br/

And you complain about finding Iraq on a map? Typical Latin American idiot.

I was talking to "João Pinga", not you.

Intellectual fluency cuts like a knife. Well writ.

Pathetic.

How is your "snow thesis" going? You haven't talked about it anymore eversince the "Egypt was great because it had snow" part.

was talking to "João Pinga", not you.

Thanks.Do a lobactamy on this Pinga.I dont like him .

The poem by the English poet Shelley is a lament to the impermanence of it all. Like snow or the changing of the seasons or the blowing of icy winter sand does in the end bring down the vanity of man, though even in stone there is impermanence. In the decade I spent in the South Pacific, people lived with Nature, they did not try control it overcome it in stone. They worked in straw not stone. The Eternal Summer. The original expression was 'cold as hell' not 'hot as hell', because it was the icy cold of Winter that brought death and disease. It was against the mortality of man that man builds in stone, dreams of Eternity. Have you ever lived in snow, so cold and unrelenting that it will kill you so dense you cannot see your hand in front of you, so cold you will die in minutes? It is good to be warm in a house of stone with a roaring fire in a stone fireplace. It is the stone that allows for the possibility of the hearth. It is the wealthy that build castles of stone, to keep out the icy snows of winter, to keep out death itself. How warm the clime of the Southern Hemisphere, the beach at Ipanema, sun and wind eternally at play on breaking waves, while in the North they die of pneumonic plague, shivering in the icy depths of winter. The snow is fine it is something to learn, it is about life, death and rebirth. It even snows in Jerusalem.

And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Haha, you are funny. Sometimes you bring up interesting things, but yet ignores completely things from the outside of your cultural shell. Even the southern ones without which your "snowy way of life" wouldn't be possible, like numbers for example.

And the connection you make between "icy winter" and Egypt is still laughable, hahahahaha.

What is 'my cultural shell'? You are becoming a Troll the 'perfect Latin American Idiot'. Google it and read the synopsis. It was not 'icy winter' that is referring to Egypt, but impermance and fear of mortality.

The seasons alter: hoary-headed frosts
Fall in the fresh lap of the crimson rose,
And on old Hiems’ thin and icy crown
An odorous chaplet of sweet summer buds
Is, as in mockery, set. The spring, the summer,
The childing autumn, angry winter, change
Their wonted liveries, and the mazed world,
By their increase, now knows not which is which.

Here feel we but the penalty of Adam,
The seasons' difference, as the icy fang
And churlish chiding of the winter's wind,
Here feel we but the penalty of Adam,
The seasons' difference, as the icy fang
And churlish chiding of the winter's wind,

Ranulph de Blondeville, 5th Crusade: 1218

They then sailed on towards Egypt and the Nile. An icy winter in camp was followed by a burning summer which affected the morale of the crusaders greatly.

A Br. Snow in Egypt. You are becoming a churlish troll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLDPdqB3z5s

I can never tell if you really mean what you write in here or you are just practicing some debate by choosing some untenable position and trying to convince others about it. Certainly what you say is not real.

Harsh environments aren't good for the development of anything. All of the greatest civilizations existed along the temperate zone, such as the case of Rome and Greece, and when they existed under extreme conditions it was near some important natural resource, such as the case of Egypt and the Nile. It's not by coincidence that the region between the river Tigris and Euphrates is considered the "cradle of civilization".

Up to the time of Rome the people from the north or europe were nothing but a bunch of barbarian tribes fighting each other over cattle. The Caesars conquered them, killed and enslaved them. The good side of this is that "civilization" was injected in those people's societies and then, later with what was left of the Roman empire, they could evolve. Thanks to the Romans they weren't barbarians anymore, but still many of the technological advancements of the Romans were lost for hundreds of years after the empire fell.

The weather from the southmost part of Brazil perhaps could be compared with that of the mediterranean, but the economical differences between the regions in Brazil have more to do with history than with "snow". The northeast is backwards but historically its economy was based in agriculture, big farms using slaves. Although the southeast had its share of slaves and big farms as well, it was the first region to get industrialized, that's why today it is the richest region of Brazil. The south was populated mostly by immigrants.

I don't understand why people from the north of Europe is so embarassed about their past. They talk of Romans as if they were Romans, but never talk about their barbarian origins. Although later you became Romans after you were conquered, it was due to other people's might and skills that you got out of the backwardness. All your theories about "icy winter" are comical.

I am not European. They were primitives when civilization flourished in the far East.

So it is your contention that there is no relationship between weather and the necessity of invention, and by consequence civilization.
Your argumentation is static and naive. First cold, then fire, then haute cuisine.
While Rome and Greece were a nation of sheepherders is China and India and Cambodia The archaeological record in India (encompassing the territory of the modern nations of the Republic of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) shows first traces of Homo sapiens from ca. 34,000 years ago. Bronze Age civilization emerges contemporary to the civilizations of the Ancient Near East, from circa 3300 BC, with the Indus Valley Civilization reaching its mature phase from around 2600 BC. The Vedic period in the Iron Age saw the rise of major kingdoms known as the Mahajanapadas, in which Mahavira and Gautama Buddha were born during the 6th century BC. The Indian subcontinent was first united under the Maurya Empire during the 4th and 3rd centuries BC. After The archaeological record in India (encompassing the territory of the modern nations of the Republic of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) shows first traces of Homo sapiens from ca. 34,000 years ago. Bronze Age civilization emerges contemporary to the civilizations of the Ancient Near East, from circa 3300 BC, with the Indus Valley Civilization reaching its mature phase from around 2600 BC. The Vedic period in the Iron Age saw the rise of major kingdoms known as the Mahajanapadas, in which Mahavira and Gautama Buddha were born during the 6th century BC.

With your four languages and your "special" ability to locate Iraq on a map, I would have thought you could craft a better comeback than that. Is "pathetic" part of your best game?

How was your Easter weekend in the civilized SOUTH of Brazil?


Does our little farrista in the photo look like he could find Iraq on a map, too?

There's no connection between the above text and your theories of "snow".

Thanks.Do a lobactamy on this Pinga.I dont like him .

Your opinion is of no interest or importance. Stick to football.

It is self evident that the history of human civilization is a tome, not a few hundred words of synthesis and metaphor, and imagery. There are more things in Heaven and Earth, A.Brasilian, then are dreamt of in your philosophy.

To prove someone wrong does not prove that the geo-polital consciousness of the U.S. is wanting. The picture reminds me of the hog catching contests of the rural American South. Or of steer wrestling in the South West. And 'Billy Bob' could hardly find Chicago let alone Debruvnik, or how to get to Cemtral Park in Manhattan. Insularity is not a particularly American phenomenon. However the amount of monies that are spent in the U.S. on education, get such meager results, that the question is how is this possible, rather than how is the opinion of Brazilians' perception of the average American validated by this particular pic of rural Brazil.

To prove someone wrong does not prove that the geo-polital consciousness of the U.S. is wanting. The picture reminds me of the hog catching contests of the rural American South. Or of steer wrestling in the South West.

Thanks AES. May I remind you of Bull fighting in Spain. How is the Farra different from bull fighting,hog catching contests and steer wrestling? I dont approve of any of them,though.

It is I suppose a 'machismo' thing. I saw the fights in Barcelona. There is a kind of art to it, ending in death. It is almost Pagan, blood ritual. At least the bull has the chance to kill the butcher. In ancient Crete, it was a religious rite, the animal was not killed, however. It is like conquering death. It is of course an illusion, but the endorphins produced give the illusion of a kind of immortality. Go to a slaughterhouse sometime and watch the process. We are so separated from reality in our civilization, we neither hunt nor grow our own foods. We find the whole process of life so unpleasant. Who is closer to reality the hunter or the shopper at Zona Sul? Citified man is in a state of dream. Food appears, there is nothing involved, it just is. There is no connection to the process. Our lives are illusory we are separated from reality by our thinking. We have substited thinking for being. Life is a dirty, bloody business, ending in death with moments of the beatific and waking consciousness. It seems we only wake at our deaths.

How is the Farra different from bull fighting in spain

Because it is ILLEGAL. but again, laws in Brazil? Pra inglese ver.

To prove someone wrong does not prove that the geo-polital consciousness of the U.S. is wanting.

I honestly don´t care. Do you think that the farrista would be able to Iraq on a map?

Do you think that the farrista would be able to FIND Iraq on a map?

Who gives a s**t. I care that I can and my children can. Work on yourself, be concerned with what you know or do not know. How does the ignorance of anothers' acumen in geography effect your sales of chemicals? At best not at all, at worst very little. The farrista does not do the buying for the companies you sell to. Be glad you do not have to live his life.

Because it is ILLEGAL. but again, laws in Brazil? Pra inglese ver.

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In Spain, the bull fighting is exploited commercially,though it is (as AES rightly pointed out) it is almos Pagan and a bloody ritual.I am sure that the politicians will make the farra LEGAL, once they find commercial applications to it and the profit sharing arrangements are made.

The old axiom is that it’s better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You’re proving yourself to be A Brazilians equal.

A bullfight in Spain is one matador and one bull. Matadors have been killed. The bull has, albeit slim, a chance. I dislike bullfights too, but I’m no fool to draw a comparison to the brutality, savagery and illegality of farra do boi.

Farra do Boi is for drunken sissy 3 foot nothing field primates to brutally torture a bull through urban streets, while thumbing their noses at national laws. Their courage comes not from their cultural conviction, but from massive quantities of cheap cachaça and their sheer numbers. When pedestrians or police object or interject to the barbarity, these cowards turn on the public en masse. They hit from behind and run: they are truly cowards. But cowards with a thirst for blood. For these savages don’t care for whom they inflict their brutality, they only wish to harm and kill. The boi is the excuse, anything else that crosses their path during this feeding frenzy is fair game.

A Matador is not a coward. He respects the public, and in his own bizarre way, the bull. That is not the case for products of the reverse evolutionary process that has been taken place in the fields of SC.

Regarding your quip to “cash in” on this cultural display of sophistication and southern Brazilian charm you are incorrect again. There is no money to be made exploiting the brut thuggary and sheer ignorance of one’s population. It’s an ugly side the government wishes to hide, because as per usual it cannot control it. Look carefully into the face of that farrista in the photo… You truly wish to equate that with a bullfight?

Thanks for posting the latest picture. It seems that the Spanish bull has already conducted a lobotomy on you.

Don't be ridiculous, it's only "less brutal" for you because you are a rabid anti-brazilian gringo. Bullfighting is brutal just the same or even worse. Oh, it is in Europe, so it must be right? Give me a break.

Will you use the Bo tactics of argumentation:
- Women being sold as slaves is ok because they aren't americans;
- People being exploited in rural areas of Brazil is "bad" because they are brazilians;

Does it make any f**king sense? So killing a Bull is "acceptable" because they make show out of it, and "not acceptable" because it doesn't involve transmission rights contracts for the TV?

Your comments were just like those of a 5 years old trying to offend someone, I really don't have the same taste nor the time for starting a simple name calling thread without a purpose. Ask "ch.c" to be your friend if you need someone for it, he is "special" just like you. Besides, you haven't put forward any idea, just proved that you are a perfect representation of the "american idiot" ideal: ignorant and proud of it.

The ignorance of the average american population about basic geography and history facts is almost legendary. That, for a so-called "first world" country, is hillarious. One thing is a child that has barely what to eat not to know where Iraq is, another is a fat american, proud of its "wealth", to be a complete ignorant, and that's because Iraq has been on the news for the last 4 years. But I guarantee that any brazilian that went through the medium level, as it is called here, know where Iraq is.

Does it make any f**king sense? So killing a Bull is "acceptable" because they make show out of it, and "not acceptable" because it doesn't involve transmission rights contracts for the TV?

Thanks buddy. AES advised him to shove it up his arse and he is still persisting. He takes immense pleasure in name calling,just like that sob Ch.c. I am still insisting. Bull fighting is a big commercial venture and the victims are the poor bulls most of the time and the "Matadores". The Spanish Cartolas make lots of money out of it.The spectators are the biggest suckers. I have never been to Spain and even if I go, I would avoid this show.

Jesus Christ what century is this. It is kind of like bull baiting, or dog fighting. But that, thought iwas ancient history. Roman or English. This is a 'religious ritual' as bizarre and pagan as any. It is a blood ritual akin to Mithraism, where the blood washes the sin. But this is mob psychology, in its most brutal of forms. The South would play this game with Blacks prior to the Civil War. This reminds me of the Phillipines where they nail some poor bastard to the cross and flail themselves in bloody mass. To atone. In the South it is sport to take two cats tie their tails together and throw them over a clothes line. Drink beer and watch the cats skin each other. All of this is some kind of transference or misery and pain of the existence of the participant. It has nothing to do with bullfighting, or Pamplona. It is a kind psycho therapy, or psychotic therapy. If these passions exist in the undercurrent of the population they had best be attended to before this becomes the movie 'Lord Of The Flies'.

To atone. In the South it is sport to take two cats tie their tails together and throw them over a clothes line. Drink beer and watch the cats skin each other. All of this is some kind of transference or misery and pain of the existence of the participant

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AES.You have been to the East, to Bangkok, where they have c**k fighting (am I right). We human beings take pleasure in seeing blood,whether out of animals or human beings.You asked a relevant question:"Jesus Christ ,what century is this". In the yester century, I used to think that the 21st century would be full of peace and harmony among the human beings.I was all excited about the Y2K virus at the turn of the century and working hard to stop it from attacking all the computers. The virus didnt attack and I ws very happy that it didnt.During the past 7 years I have come to a conclusion: The humans like blood and mayhem.The TV loves it.You make money on the misery of the people. It is sad,but true.

Sorry for opening up my mind

Here they have cow tipping. It is illegal (and cruel).

Try this: If one gringo were to say something totally positive about Brazil as a whole that foisted the view of them far and away above all others, up upon a pedastal of claimed truth, but then provided no factual basis for such phenomena and no statistics with a link to the unquestionable and readily believable source for same, would A. Brasilian do hes typical "reacts more like a computer program engineered to oppose or state the contrary regardless"?

I thought you were my ally and tonight you dont make any sense. What is happening to you? You heard something from that Sansei that you didnt like?. Is she still speaking 8 languages?

SDS

Who gives a s**t. I care that I can and my children can. Work on yourself, be concerned with what you know or do not know. How does the ignorance of anothers' acumen in geography effect your sales of chemicals?

Do you think that this Pinga is trying to sell Chemical weapons to MST? I dont know if he is aware that such sales are forbidden in this country. In case you get more info on this,please do let us know. We certainly wouldnt like to have such terrorists in the South.

JDS - Esse normale por meu - I make no cents. Do I have to make cents to be your ally? Didn't think the thinking puzzle was in any way against you and yours - on the other hand I have seen that this is how things seem to work at least from time to time. Sorry if you take offense to cow tipping being illegal and considered cruel. Anyone up for a bit of chucking charcoal brickettes at geese and ducks? Tough defending ones crops without getting a bit nasty about it.

As to the Sansei - apparently now down to speaking only four and not doing well coming up with clients, maybe by now the father is up to speaking sixteen to make up the difference. BTW, I think I already mentioned she was put out onto the street on day 1. I asked two times how much I would have to pay to make that happen (not because of any personal distaste or discomfort on my part - I really felt it was a disaster in the making for my freinds). My offers were rejected but then after I left it happened anyway for reasons the Sansei created that had nothing to do with me whatsoever. Go figure.

Thinking of having personally only encountered one bad egg among so many good ones has given rise to a much more serious concern. There's a saying that when you can't catch fish you have to eat eggs. With no refrigeration of eggs even in the densely populated areas you are bound to encounter a bad one from time to time. As the ties to places other than the America's are formed and strengthened out of political or financial preference so too comes more traffic of people and cargo. The next wave of illnesses to come out of China have yet to be recognized but most assuredly they will come. Does Brazil have thier researchers, scientists, engineers, medicine manufacturing and health care distribution and service infrastructure ramping up to be able to handle the massive and wide spread infections that will strike it's immuno-difficient population in the coming years? The fear is there will be total decimation way beyond that which the tempests and riseing seas driven by global warming could possibly inflict.

written by A brazilian, 2007-04-11 18:52:29

Will you use the Bo tactics of argumentation:
- Women being sold as slaves is ok because they aren't americans;
- People being exploited in rural areas of Brazil is "bad" because they are brazilians;

What I would like to know is, does everyone else see how completely and utterly full of s**t Abe Brazilian deniar is??

Abe, you have lied and lied, over and over again, repeatedly. I, as well as numerous others, have caught you in lies. You froth opinions, you twist and tort the words of others. It is all you can resort to in your defense of the indefensible, in your blind, patriotic, hate-filled anti-americanism.

Now, you are going to even newer and higher levels. You aren't torting my words this time, you have completely fabricating them! When did I ever condone female slavery?? Or any type of slavery? As far as that issue is concerned, it exists in brazil on a large scale for modern times, and, the most important distinction, it is being done TO brazilians BY brazilians. Now, if you want to say that it exists in the U.S. you would be correct, it does exist, but on a very small scale, and, normally by ASIAN gangs and organized crime as well as other foreign organized crime groups. And this normally occurs in the garment district in NYC, and the american authorities are well aware of this, they look for it, they find them, they arrest them, incarcerate them, and deport them afterwards if possible.

Quite different in brazil Abe, where some of your very own politicians have been found to be the owners of farms where slave labor is being used!

I have never attempted to justify slave labor or exploitation of any human. The human exploitation in regards to this issue that takes place in the U.S. and in Brazil are quite different. In Brazil, brazilians citizens are FORCED to work, they are in fact "indentured servants", and threatened by death if they try and escape, this is how some brazilians treat their own citizens, in the U.S. an illegal alien has his own residence, he is far from being an "indentured servant", he has a car, he has FREE WILL, he can leave at any time and go anywhere he likes, even back to his home country, which coincidentally enough they all seem to decide to stay in the U.S.....wonder why that is? Do you think the slave laborer has a choice of returning to his home? Do you think he has "free will"?

Stop putting words in my mouth, or if you're going to quote me, then quote me, but stop with the outright lies. It's plain for all to see Abe that you resort to not only misquoting people, torting their statements, but you even fabricate, out of thin air, statements by others.


You should really stop trying to justify the absurdities that exist in brazil in making comparisons to the United States. The U.S. is in many regards hundreds of years ahead of brazil, and in most cases at least decades, it's really unfair. You trying to compare a car to a goat, I would've said apples to oranges but they're both fruits, and they don't have that much in common.

But I guarantee that any brazilian that went through the medium level, as it is called here, know where Iraq is.

LOL...yeah, ok Abe, you can speak for 65 million people, thanks for that. Please, they are ignorant brazilians that are so-called "educated", don't give me that s**t. Like the brazilian level of education is a good example??? Come on now, you did just see that survey/study that was conducted didn't you?? Of over 35 countries, in which many were developing nations, brazil was......dead last! Even your "analfabeto" president admitted as much, and he should know!!

And even YOU accept the fact that brazilians going to school only until the age of 14 is perfectly acceptable!!! 14 years of age?? Are you kidding me Abe??? That is basically what many did in the U.S. in the early 1900's! My grandfather, who would be 90 years old today only went to school until he was 14. It's not acceptable Abe, every human needs at least a high school degree. If Brazil wants to be considered in the same breath with first world countries you need to act like a first world country! Enslaving your own citizens by the tens of thousands, having death squads in Rio that kill thousands per year, more people dying from violence in one year that in several years of WAR amongst other countries, 26% of brazilian youth under the age of 18 not attending school, impunity being the "soup de jour" for any and all politicians, one of the lowest minimum wages on planet earth yet boasting "we have the tenth largest GNP on the planet", using a different formula to arrive at that conclusion than everyone else, is certainly not the behavior of first world countries.

Abe, as I have said before, numerous times, you are the worst type of brazilian, the very worst. You are ensuring that change in brazil for the better will be a long, slow, painful process.

Don't be ridiculous, it's only "less brutal" for you because you are a rabid anti-brazilian gringo. Bullfighting is brutal just the same or even worse. Oh, it is in Europe, so it must be right? Give me a break.

Oh just great, another throwback to the Homo Heildebergensis period. You must use up a lot of shaving cream to maintain the appearance of two distinctive eye brows, né.

Sadly A Brazilian, as I have pointed out in my praises to Bo’s diligence and patients, you are little more than your typical chest-pounding brain washed Latin American nationalist who has a hatred for the civilized world given the lack of civility in your own backyard. To the rest of the world you’re seen as a clown. A quieter, gentler, version of that “I can still smell the sulfur” fool: Hugo Chaves. I can’t help but giggle when you express your thoughts.

The book I referred to earlier sums up your ilk perfectly (although finding a Portuguese copy in Brazil will prove next to impossible, not just because book stores are more scarce than polite people, but because the government thought that the book wouldn’t be such a good idea to sell – go figure).

Let me explain the difference once again to you about bullfighting and Farra do boi. But first, you are correct; both events produce a dead bull. But so does a meat factory. However, the difference I examined wasn’t in regards to the bull but the participants. On one side you have a single, ballsy individual: a man. On the other you have between 30 – 40 drunken evolutionary missing links. You see I’m not trying to praise bullfighting, I think it is cruel as well (not nearly as cruel and as barbaric as farra, mind you), what I’m doing is calling a spade a spade and pointing out that those who participate in Farra are simply savages and pathetic cowards. There is no sport, no challenge, no culture no tradition as many other cruel games and hunts involving animals claim – it’s simply the torture, over a period of hours, of an animal by individuals that you would never invited round to your flat. Its like kicking kittens into fans for s**ts n giggles. It’s simple cruelty for cruelty’s sake.

Someone wrote Lord of the flies… that is a perfect.

Your government can’t control it (like most things in your nation) because when they try “mob rules” is declared, and those once tranquil little green-bellied hobbit villages in the middle of nowhere turn into war zones (my analogy may be a little strong, but there are numerous cases of gunfire exchange between police and farristas – hmmm, imagine that, gunfire in brazil?).

You called me “rabid anti-Brazilan”. This is not true. I’m rabid anti-idiot, and sadly although your entire population is not as such, a scary proportion (include yourself here) would neatly fall into the category of idiot. Reading your posts is excruciating. You deny slavery in your nation, demand proof and then presto a governmental communiqué finds its way to the site claiming the government just freed 500 plus slaves and you still claim that it doesn’t exist in your nation? You call people the N-word (knowing fully – because your claim to be “edjemucated” - the connotations and hatred that word contains) yet claim there is no racism in Brazil? Fool.

Does it make any f**king sense? So killing a Bull is "acceptable" because they make show out of it, and "not acceptable" because it doesn't involve transmission rights contracts for the TV?

That’s simply retarded. Aren’t you ashamed of what your write at times? Are your seriously that thick?

our comments were just like those of a 5 years old trying to offend someone, I really don't have the same taste nor the time for starting a simple name calling thread without a purpose. […] Besides, you haven't put forward any idea, just proved that you are a perfect representation of the "american idiot" ideal: ignorant and proud of it.

That would be fine and all if in fact I were American. DUMBASS. BTW You’re hypocrisy knows no bounds, in just one paragraph you claim the moral high ground by not name-calling only to end your tirade in incorrectly calling me an “American Idiot”. Don’t think for one second that your child-like double standards aren’t lost on most readers. You’re a fool and as I mentioned before I call a spade a spade, if that rankles you, so be it. I’m too tired of treading lightly around ignorant yobs like you so as to not offend your precious girl-like sensibilities; or your victim mentality blaming all the problems your nation faces on the “green-eyed gringo devil”. Let me say this one more time A Brazilian. You’re a “pathetic fool”. It’s really not name calling, it is a careful and crafted observation.

The ignorance of the average american population about basic geography and history facts is almost legendary.

Legendary? As in legends and myths? Do you have some sort of factual study, conducted by a rep**able institution to prove this? And if so, would you have a similar study conducted including Brazil for comparison? If not then shut the f**k up and stop using fairy-tales you learned during recess in Rio while dodging stray bullets as facts. That’s why I claim you’re a moron. Sorry to break this to you Einstein, but most Americans I know are quite intelligent. Maybe it is the ilk of individuals you attract as friends that is the problem. I won’t deny the existence of problems or troglodytes in the Good ole Usofa, but it is easy to avoid the unsavory and conniving unlike in Brazil where caution must be taken anywhere and everywhere.

That, for a so-called "first world" country, is hillarious. One thing is a child that has barely what to eat not to know where Iraq is, another is a fat american, proud of its "wealth", to be a complete ignorant, and that's because Iraq has been on the news for the last 4 years.

For starters, the farrista in the photo I posted is neither a child nor hungry. I would also bet that a large percentage of farristas have passed through Brazil’s educational system. Apart from torturing Bulls over the Easter break, I’m sure that that individual does at times, wear a shirt and work somewhere. Just a hunch. My question remains: Do you think he would be able to find Iraq on a map? How about East Timor or Haiti? These are two countries Brazil has been directly involved in for a number of years, too. But why focus on them, when we can watch the mericans on TV right?

Actually, I thought you may be more concerned with the 100 (on average) murders in Brazil daily. Or that fact that only 3 % are ever solved. Or maybe the 100 (on average) car accidents that claims lives daily. I thought maybe you’d be more concerned about the billions your politicians are funneling away to banks in Switzerland and New York (cough cough: Maluf). I guess not. Heaven forbid we actually see or try to understand Brazil beyond the colourful postcards of scantily glad women parading their wears on the beaches of peaceful Copacabana beach?

Like I said, I’m not a yank, I don’t find all that they do particularly grand, but we know well the default response of your ilk to is call EVERYONE “American”, or even worse “NORTH American”. This latter point splits my gut. You claim legendary geographical ignorance on the part of Americans but your very own newscasts/journals and schools refer to Americans as “North Americans”? Enjoy the 19th century, you’re going to be there an awfully long time.

But I guarantee that any brazilian that went through the medium level, as it is called here, know where Iraq is.

Did you pull this same legendary factoid out of your ass as the other? There are numerous studies pointing out how Brazil has one of the worst systems going. Your president has already called the Brazilian educational system one of the worst in the world. He, being the uneducated president of your republic is probably more believable than some anonymous militant nationalistic poster with a penchant for hyperbolic hypocrisy. I’m not anti-Brazilian, far from it, I’m anti-idiot. And you’re the perfect example of an idiot. Bo's completely correct.

it is refreshing at times, not to mention helps me keep sane here in northeast brazil, which is not an easy chore, when I read others that don't tort reality, that call a "spade a spade", as you stated.

Actually, I thought you may be more concerned with the 100 (on average) murders in Brazil daily.

It's actually 150 per day on average. Brazil recorded 55,300 murders in 2005. We're still waiting on the 2006 numbers to be released, but preliminary reports look like 2006 will have set a record, since they've been keeping halfway decent stats anyway.

Like I said, I’m not a yank, I don’t find all that they do particularly grand, but we know well the default response of your ilk to is call EVERYONE “American”, or even worse “NORTH American”. This latter point splits my gut. You claim legendary geographical ignorance on the part of Americans but your very own newscasts/journals and schools refer to Americans as “North Americans”?

I've made that point since I moved here nearly a decade ago. The very same point they use in not calling someone from the United States an "american", they make the very same mistake in calling them north americans. Guess Canada and Mexico aren't located in North America.

And on another note;


I just got back from a place in my city called CEASA, it's an outdoor fruit and vegetable market. I heard you use the word "knuckledragger" before Pinga, and I knew what you meant when you said it, but while at this market and looking at the vast majority of people there, that is what they were, knuckledraggers, hate to say it. There was one guy that had a gut full of cachaça, it's 9 am mind you, and when he gets close to me he lets out a groan, "eles não me-permitir para beber dentro" as he stumbled amongst the fruit and vegatable stands. Then there were several others that when you looked at them, you just knew, the mental capacity, it just wasn't there. And then you realize, fill this type with a skin full of liquor and having areas here in brazil that have murder rates of 180 per 100,000 makes sense. You can see how it happens.

Pinga, are you by any chance the same individual that posted here some weeks ago under the nickname "yanksuck"? The writing style is similar, making funny comments about meaningless things in order to entertain the reader instead of clarifying anything about the subject at hand. Not very objective, unless you consider "try to piss off the target of the post" as a goal.

That would explain a lot. Especially because since then some articles written by some racist english appeared on this site and were instantly massacrated. I probably must have revealed the english people issues with race by then, after all you were the precursors of the Nazi.

About "farra do boi". This is restricted to a small region of the south for some reason I ignore, probably it was brought by immigrants, and it is usually practiced in small rural areas. It's something cruel, the same way as bullfighting or rodeos, and despite your attempt to increase the role of such practices in this society, it is condemned by most (of those that know that it exists, because it's so uncommon that I guess that a lot of people don't think about it).

About the stance of brazilians to similar matters, recently a novela from Globo had a story involving cowboys and rodeos, just like in the US, and many groups of animal rights expressed their outrage for this. The "farra do boi" is just as illegal as "c**kfighting", and "c**kfighting" is also practiced in the US (despite being illegal). But I guess that doesn't work for your bashing, right? Showing similarly barbaric practices in the so called "first world" doesn't really work in an anti-Brazil campaign, does it? Maybe if brazilians knew that such things exist elsewhere they might think that Brazil is not that bad.

I think it's a fact that "farra do boi", bullfighting and rodeos are considered barbaric. Your argumentation seems to revolve around the fact that this is 30 against a bull, and bullfighting is 1 against a bull and a true business (europe über alles). I don't see such differentiation, it's barbaric just the same. It may tell about the character of the individual killing the bull, some have more courage than others, but it doesn't change the fact that it is barbaric and it is unbelievable that it exists in the 21st century.

Such relativism in you text only proves my point that you are anti-brazilian, i.e., you aren't really concerned about the health of those animals or animal rights because you make distinctions on the "how", but you are trying to find something, be it true or not, to use in your Brazil bashing.

In my opinion the "professionalism" from the bullfighting only proves that such barbarisms are more accepted in Europe than in Brazil. Maybe it's cultural? In Brazil this is frowned upon, in Europe this barbarism is something to be proud of.

Now Bo. You have no idea about what you are talking about when you cite "slaves", there's no slavery as it used be centuries ago, but it's of a different kind. When people say "slaves" they refer to debt slaves. People that are offered jobs somewhere distant, they go out of their free will, but then they find that the offer wasn't as good as described earlier and need to pay back the "travel" to their agent. It happens in all those places where there are people without any ethics, especially in Europe and in the US, where exploitation of immigrants is even accepted by the locals.

You don't have how to know that the police would arrest them in the US, because if the police doesn't know about it then, logically, you won't have the data to use in a comparison. Logically, 100% of the cases that are found are solved, but you don't have how to know about the others. In Brazil it is just the same, such "news" about "slaves found" is evidence of the work of the police!

I won't even start about your differentiation of americans and not americans. They are human beings either way and someone profits in your country, the clients of those enslaved women will be americans! How can you compare what case is worse? This is insanity.

About the other "slaves" as described in the "ethanol slaves" article irresponsably produced by the british media in an attempt to justify blocks to brazilian products, I think the embassador already replied very well about what happens there. People are free to come and go.

Someone posted it here earlier, a link to video on YouTube with some interviews with americans about geography questions. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8SuCBHqXtQ

This is fun, and none of those people look like "cachaça driven" or hungry.

Based upon syntax, erudition and wit. . .I would conclude that GTY is the truly well written Joao Pinga. Both Pinga and GTY are lights unto this web site, truly moral and psychologically sound in both philosophy and perception. He/they has/have much to teach especially in the art of English writing, as well a sound psychological grounding.

GTY:
'I travel frequently, but unlike you, mine is done in business class and includes not only S America but Asia as well, I work as a Director of Sales & Marketing for a specialty chemical company, a globalized market.'

Based upon syntax, erudition and wit. . .I would conclude that GTY is the truly well written Joao Pinga. Both Pinga and GTY are lights unto this web site, truly moral and psychologically sound in both philosophy and perception. He/they has/have much to teach especially in the art of English writing, as well a sound psychological grounding

Knowing you AES, I expected to you to say "Elementary,eh,my dear João" and give the above expalanation! I knew that you knew his identity, the moment you wrote:

'Pinga': Do you think a farrista could read a map?
written by AES, 2007-04-11 15:09:19

Who gives a s**t. I care that I can and my children can. Work on yourself, be concerned with what you know or do not know. How does the ignorance of anothers' acumen in geography effect your sales of chemicals? At best not at all, at worst very little. The farrista does not do the buying for the companies you sell to. Be glad you do not have to live his life.

He complained that we all belong to a clicky club and was getting out of it. Then he came back with a new identity,because he cant resist our exclusive clicky club. I had warned Professor and Ric that he was going to put the blame on the Brazilians.They wouldnt listen

He might have better used the word, "clique".

written by Ric, 2007-04-12 18:31:39

He might have better used the word, "clique".

I am not sure about it Ric.But I think he used the word Clicky,but you better research about this issue.BTW, I presume that you are assuming your responsibility in chasing him off the "Clique" or "Clicky" club.

Ele é que nem lombriga. Quando sai da merda, morre.

About "farra do boi". This is restricted to a small region of the south for some reason I ignore, probably it was brought by immigrants, and it is usually practiced in small rural areas. It's something cruel, the same way as bullfighting or rodeos, and despite your attempt to increase the role of such practices in this society, it is condemned by most (of those that know that it exists, because it's so uncommon that I guess that a lot of people don't think about it).

"This is restricted to a small region of the south for some reason I ignore, probably it was brought by immigrants"

A Brazilian, I am surprised that you ignored the reasons!. Actually the tradition was brought by the immigrants from the "Ilhas dos Açores". You are not supposed to eat beef on Easter Friday (and for some people even on Saturdays). So the immigrants used to play with the cattle (no violence in those days) and slaughter them ,after thanking the Lord and the bull (or Cow) for providing food for them. If you really look at it, you have "Kosher" food and "Islamic Cut" for defining the kind of animal flesh you would eat.

BTW, years ago, there were not 30 idiots chasing a bull. It was confined to a group of extended family members who would play with the bull in question and slaughter it. Unfortunately, these days, they have made an issue out of it. Though I dont understand why Pinga/GTY is picking on this issue, while defending the Matadores. I still think that bull fighting,c**k fighting ,etc; are repugnant.

There is something that AES mentioned in this thread about the hunter. His theory is very interesting too. I learnt about the "Kosher food" and "Islamic cut" from devout Jewish and Muslims. It is so nice to talk to people of all religions and one learns a lot. Of course, I dont like people who try to shove their relgions down my throat.

Take care

NAO FOI EU
written by Ric, 2007-04-12 20:47:28

Ele é que nem lombriga. Quando sai da merda, morre.

Tu que foi responsavél e assume. O rapaz ficou assustado contigo e ele me xinga.Sempre sou culpado e pq?

Ninguem fica assustado comigo.

Now Bo. You have no idea about what you are talking about when you cite "slaves", there's no slavery as it used be centuries ago, but it's of a different kind. When people say "slaves" they refer to debt slaves. People that are offered jobs somewhere distant, they go out of their free will, but then they find that the offer wasn't as good as described earlier and need to pay back the "travel" to their agent. It happens in all those places where there are people without any ethics, especially in Europe and in the US, where exploitation of immigrants is even accepted by the locals.

You don't have how to know that the police would arrest them in the US, because if the police doesn't know about it then, logically, you won't have the data to use in a comparison. Logically, 100% of the cases that are found are solved, but you don't have how to know about the others. In Brazil it is just the same, such "news" about "slaves found" is evidence of the work of the police!

I won't even start about your differentiation of americans and not americans. They are human beings either way and someone profits in your country, the clients of those enslaved women will be americans! How can you compare what case is worse? This is insanity.

About the other "slaves" as described in the "ethanol slaves" article irresponsably produced by the british media in an attempt to justify blocks to brazilian products, I think the embassador already replied very well about what happens there. People are free to come and go.

How can you compare it?? You have no idea what you are talking about! How could you compare slave labor in brazil to illegals in the U.S.??

Can you answer ONE question honestly?? Does an illegal alien in the U.S. have free will? Can he leave his job without threat or physical harm, possible death?

Now, can an "indentured servant" in brazil do that?? Because that is what slave labor is in brazil, it is indentured servitude. And, they don't only charge him for transportation to the place of work, which is always hundreds, if not thousands of miles from where they find these people, always in extremely rural, remote areas, so that escape is impossible. They charge them for their work clothes, their boots, the tools they use to work. They charge them for anything and everything possible, and not even market prices for these products, they charge them 5 and 10 X for these items, making it literally impossible for the person to ever re-pay his debt.

Let me reiterate, the exploitation of anyone is terrible, but there is a huge difference when people from another country, foreigners, go to a country, they are there, illegally, to work. Obviously they are making much more money, and have a much better lifestyle than what they previously had, AND, they are being paid wages sufficient enough for them to survive in a decent manner. Their very legal status makes them susceptible for exploitation. They have not only accepted this exploitable status, but their brethren by the millions are trying to obtain this as well.

Now let's look at what happens in brazil. Brazilians exploit their own brethren, they exploit their level of education, their ignorance. They are LEGAL citizens of brazil, born and raised. They live in areas that are shameful, huts made out of sticks and banana leaves, dirt floors, no access to medical treatment. If they try to escape they are beaten, and many times killed.

Here is a comprehensive report on slave labor in brazil.......done by brazilians.


http://www.oitbrasil.org.br/download/sakamoto_final.pdf



I posted a study done recently here in brazil on slave labor, by brazilians, do you want it again?

No Brasil, há variadas formas e práticas de trabalho escravo. O conceito de trabalho

escravo utilizado pela Organização Internacional do Trabalho (OIT) é o seguinte: toda

a forma de trabalho escravo é trabalho degradante, mas o recíproco nem sempre

é verdadeiro. O que diferencia um conceito do outro é a LIBERDADE. Quando falamos

de trabalho escravo, estamos nos referindo a muito mais do que o descumprimento da

lei trabalhista. Estamos falando de homens, mulheres e crianças que não têm garantia

da sua liberdade. Ficam presos a fazendas durante meses ou anos por três principais

razões: acreditam que têm que pagar uma dívida ilegalmente atribuída a eles

(alimentação e transporte), estão distantes da via de acesso mais próxima, o que faz

com que seja impossível qualquer fuga ou são constantemente ameaçados por guardas

que, no limite, lhes tiram a vida na tentativa de uma fuga. É comum que sejam

escravizados pela servidão por dívida, pelo isolamento geográfico, pela ameaça às

suas vidas. Isso é trabalho escravo.

I really don't like posting shameful studies like this Abe, but with your blatent denial and justifications of the unjustifiable unfortunately it's necessary.

Apesar de diversas denúncias de trabalho escravo ao Comitê de Expertos da

OIT desde 1985, o reconhecimento oficial do programa perante a Organização ocorreu

somente em 1995. Mesmo assim, o Brasil foi um dos primeiros países do mundo a

assumir internacionalmente a existência da escravidão contemporânea. Em 08 de março

12 •

de 2004, o Governo Brasileiro voltou a ser pioneiro ao declarar,

perante a Organização das Nações Unidas, a existência de um

número estimado de 25 mil trabalhadores escravos no país.


And only after 10 years of registered complaints about slave labor, from 1985 to 1995, did brazil finally admit they existed.

A assinatura da Lei Áurea, em 13 de maio de 1888, representou o fim do direito de

propriedade de uma pessoa sobre a outra, acabando com a possibilidade de possuir

legalmente um escravo no Brasil. No entanto, persistiram situações que mantêm o

trabalhador sem possibilidade de se desligar de seus patrões. Há fazendeiros que, para

realizar derrubadas de matas nativas para formação de pastos, produzir carvão para a

indústria siderúrgica, preparar o solo para plantio de sementes, algodão e soja, entre

outras atividades agropecuárias, contratam mão-de-obra utilizando os contratadores

de empreitada, os chamados “gatos”. Eles aliciam os trabalhadores, servindo de fachada

para que os fazendeiros não sejam responsabilizados pelo crime. 3

Esses gatos recrutam pessoas em regiões distantes do local da prestação de

serviços ou em pensões localizadas nas cidades próximas. Na primeira abordagem,

mostram-se agradáveis, portadores de boas oportunidades de trabalho. Oferecem serviço

em fazendas, com garantia de salário, de alojamento e comida. Para seduzir o

trabalhador, oferecem “adiantamentos” para a família e garantia de transporte gratuito

até o local do trabalho.

O transporte é realizado por ônibus em péssimas

condições de conservação ou por caminhões improvisados sem

qualquer segurança. Ao chegarem ao local do serviço, são

surpreendidos com situações completamente diferentes das

prometidas. Para começar, o gato lhes informa que já estão

devendo. O adiantamento, o transporte e as despesas com

alimentação na viagem já foram anotados em um “caderno” de

dívidas que ficará de posse do gato. Além disso, o trabalhador

percebe que o custo de todos os instrumentos que precisar para

o trabalho – foices, facões, motosserras, entre outros – também

será anotado no caderno de dívidas, bem como botas, luvas,

chapéus e roupas. Finalmente, despesas com os improvisados

alojamentos e com a precária alimentação serão anotados, tudo

a preço muito acima dos praticados no comércio.

Convém lembrar que as fazendas estão distantes dos

locais de comércio mais próximos4, sendo impossível ao

trabalhador não se submeter totalmente a esse sistema de

“barracão”, imposto pelo gato a mando do fazendeiro ou

diretamente pelo fazendeiro.

Se o trabalhador pensar em ir embora, será impedido

sob a alegação de que está endividado e de que não poderá sair

enquanto não pagar o que deve. Muitas vezes, aqueles que

reclamam das condições ou tentam fugir são vítimas de surras.

No limite, podem perder a vida.




Yep, exactly like illegal mexicans in the U.S., n'eh Abe?? That's why they're running, by the millions to be illegal in America, so they can be beaten and not paid any money, work to only repay the debt they've incurred while drinking the bosses water and eating his food, using his tools, etc. Not to mentioned threatened by death and many even murdered when trying to "escape".

About the other "slaves" as described in the "ethanol slaves" article irresponsably produced by the british media in an attempt to justify blocks to brazilian products, I think the embassador already replied very well about what happens there. People are free to come and go.

You, and your ambassador, are bare-faced liars. Think the report I posted above tells it all. But what's new, a brazilian politician and Abe Razillion lying deniar, lying yet another time.

Pinga, are you by any chance the same individual that posted here some weeks ago under the nickname "yanksuck"?

No. I don’t think “Yanks suck”, so why would I choose a nic to reflect something I disagree with?

making funny comments about meaningless things

Can you provide examples? Just because a post or segment from within sores miles above your limited comprehension that doesn’t make it meaningless; it makes you slow and thick.

after all you were the precursors of the Nazi.

What? Did you really write that? Who per se were the harbingers of Nazism? Please explain yourself here, although I know you can’t. This is a CLASSIC text book example of your typical Latin American Idiot. Sorry simple Simon, I had family fight against the Nazi’s in the second world war but hey, Europe, North America Australia, New Zealand we’re all gringos to you and your bigoted cave dwelling mono-synaptic brethren, né trutinho?

About "farra do boi". This is restricted to a small region of the south for some reason I ignore

We know your ilk ignores all sorts of barbarity in Brazil. From burning children alive, to torturing altruistic foreign nationals; just ignore it. That’s your motto.

However, the savages that participate in farra the boi are not as regionally limited as you may want to think. Over the Easter weekend there were over 300 “reported” cases all across SC (an increase of 30% from last year), with over 150 of those being in Florianopolis. Florianopolis, if I am correct, is NOT some backwater incest populated field in the middle of nowhere, but a rather up n coming city voted by a number of magazines as the city with the highest quality of life in Brazil.

I know you’re not the brightest lamp on God’s Christmas tree, however try doing at least a little research before embarrassing yourself with your obvious lack of knowledge in regards to your own nation.

The "farra do boi" is just as illegal as "c**kfighting", and "c**kfighting" is also practiced in the US (despite being illegal).

True: you have c**k fighting in Brazil too. However, like in the US, c**k fighting is not for public display (it is very UNDERGROUND therefore much more difficult to confront), where as farra is forced upon the general population, dragged through the streets, and anyone to question it is beaten and or worse. You still don’t get that do you? I think the practice is savage, and I detst animal “cruelty” in any form, that’s not my point for the millionth time. I’m calling the farrista a “sissy little inbred chicken s**t coward”. Because unlike the rodeo, because unlike bullfighting, farristas need a GANG to beat an animal into submission unlike the cowboy and matador, whom take their lumps and face the creature. But again A Brazilian, your misfiring synapses and limited grey matter, as well as inferior educational upbringing, will never allow you to see the finer details in things. What a pity.

Back to c**kfighting: yes, despicable. And the individuals are all sniveling pathetic excuses for human trash whether they possess American passports or Brazilians passports; they are all fiendishly sick. Full stop. So, hhhmmm, who was arrested two or three years back for c**k Fighting in Brazil? Was it some sick poor gangster from the favelas? Nope. Was it a bunch of misdirected poor youth projecting frustrations? Nope. It was your good Ole Duda Mendonça and a group of state and Federal deputies. What a fine and shinning example of leadership from Lula’s spin doctor and your beloved political henchmen.

What was his response when caught in an ILLEGAL and CRUEL act? "O Brasil todo sabe que eu gosto de rinha de galo e sabe que esse é o meu hobby"

When you find Karl Roves, and two or three American Congressmen caught betting around a dark ring of bloodied chickens, then you can start making comparisons to the US.

I don't see such differentiation, it's barbaric just the same.

Of course you don’t, Sally. You probably don’t see a difference in the level of violence between Rio de Janeiro and Reykjavík Iceland either. The scales you use in which to measure anything are in dire need of calibration. If you see NO racism at all in Brazil, (something that is about as blatant as a bullet piercing your flesh, or as about as serious as a heart attack) than how can you see the grey areas in complicated issues? Do you eat meat? How was that picanha last week? How far do you cast your moral blanket?

I don't see such differentiation, it's barbaric just the same.

Of course you don’t, Sally. You probably don’t see a difference in the level of violence between Rio de Janeiro and Reykjavík Iceland either. The scales you use in which to measure anything are in dire need of calibration. If you see NO racism at all in Brazil, (something that is about as blatant as a bullet piercing your flesh, or as about as serious as a heart attack) than how can you see the grey areas in complicated issues? Do you eat meat? How was that picanha last week? How far do you cast your moral blanket?

Such relativism in you text only proves my point that you are anti-brazilian

What the hell is this “Anti-Brazilian” paranoia? Please define it for me, and when I have a better understanding of your malfunctioning cognitive process than I’ll be able to either agree or disagree. However, in my books, “anti-Brazilian” would signify a hatred for everything Brazilian, and to not only leave it at that, but to work towards harming the nation in some way. With this definition, I can quite proudly assert that I am not. I’ve already stated for the record, I’m anti-IDIOT, and you fit the bill, and more regrettably, many of your compatriots and politicians too. Not all of course. I do know some fine and outstanding folks in your nation, and know well that they fight tooth and nail to make a better Brazil.

However, as written in the book the “perfect Latin American Idiot”, one of the hallmarks of being an idiot is the idiot’s proclivity for conspiracies and his/her distain of ANY criticism of the state from outsiders. Any discussion to be held regarding Brazil, if not praising its many attributes, will be seen as an act of war by your chest pounding nationalists. “Brasil. Amá-lo ou deixá-lo”. Sound familiar, slick?

Someone posted it here earlier, a link to video on YouTube with some interviews with americans about geography questions. Here it is:

So you use youtube vídeos and O globo novelas to argue your points? Are you, like, ahhh, 12 or sumfin Dude? Maybe you haven’t seen the PCC drug party video yet, would you really like me to use THAT as the unarguable source of information to generalize what Brazil truly is? I didn’t think so, and I´m not stupid enough to attempt such an academic fraude. Again, find me this legendary proof that Americans are more geographically challenged than most nations. Please refrain from using comic books, Youtube videos, your mom’s boyfriend’s opinion, or whatever you picked up while sniffing glue on the morro. Then when you have found that, find an equally credible work on geographic knowledge for Brazil, just for a comparison.

Based upon syntax, erudition and wit. . .I would conclude that GTY is the truly well written Joao Pinga.

Incorrect..

Actually the tradition was brought by the immigrants from the "Ilhas dos Açores".

Look at this gem. Twice, A Brazilan above, and now João are, via rote conditioning, trying to drop this act at the feet of “outsiders”. I’ll give them credit though, it is a well chosen and subtly provocative word because its usage in this instance can be argued quite convincingly to be correct; however the true undercurrent is simply “they are not us”. The Açores are part of Portugal and the Portuguese discovered and colonized Brazil, the Azoreans began arriving in Brasil in 1756. After 250 years, you can stop calling them immigrants and refer to many of them as descendants.

Though I dont understand why Pinga/GTY is picking on this issue, while defending the Matadores.

Again, I´m not GTY. And for the billionth time, I’m not “picking on” (are you too, like, ahhh, 12?) the “issue”, I’m currently attacking the uncivilized sissy cowards that partake, and while we´re at it, the spineless and inefficient police force that’s too impotent to do anything about it. I´m not defending bullfighting, just stating the obvious which is the bull fighter has more balls than any of the cachaça saturated hill-billy bumkens that piss their night away lighting bulls on fire or dorwning them.

Originally, I posted the pic to question whether that individual could also find Iraq on a map, because A Brazilian was using THAT as the litmus test for intelligence and civility and clamouring on about how EVERYBODY in Brazil that has been to high school could do that. Many, if not most, Manezinhos have completed the entire educational circut (SC has the lowest drop out rate in Brazil, and the highest level of quality education), so your average farrista is by Brazilian standards (drum role please) "educated". Do you really think he, in that photo or any of the thousands that partipated over the long weekend in farra do boi as geographically astute as A Brazilian claims?

You are the fools side tracking the point and trying to compare farra do boi to dog sled racing in Alaska (I’m using A Brazilian’s logic for the analogy here), not me.

LIke I started off, Bo has heaps of patients. I don´t know how he does it, repeatedly week after week. Having a discussion here is as about as futile as it is hurding squirrels.

What? Did you really write that? Who per se were the harbingers of Nazism? Please explain yourself here, although I know you can’t. This is a CLASSIC text book example of your typical Latin American Idiot. Sorry simple Simon, I had family fight against the Nazi’s in the second world war but hey, Europe, North America Australia, New Zealand we’re all gringos to you and your bigoted cave dwelling mono-synaptic brethren, né trutinho?

Eugenics and scientific racism was develop by the english in the 19th century. It was further developed by americans and served as a scientific pretext for the "master race" idea of the Nazis, justifying ethnical cleansing. The US and England were against Germany in WWII, but the racial beliefs were pretty much the same among them all.

This is history, I invite you to study it.

I know you’re not the brightest lamp on God’s Christmas tree, however try doing at least a little research before embarrassing yourself with your obvious lack of knowledge in regards to your own nation.

Not really, you just repeated what I said along your attempts of "funny remarks". I have seen this style already in this forum, I think you are someone that entered with another nickname previously.

But anyway, this is restricted to certain areas, and definitely not approved by the general population as it is with bullfighting (or rodeos, or c**kfighting, etc). Like I said, this is something to be frowned upon in Brazil, but in Europe it is something to be proud of.

However, like in the US, c**k fighting is not for public display (it is very UNDERGROUND therefore much more difficult to confront), where as farra is forced upon the general population, dragged through the streets, and anyone to question it is beaten and or worse.

Here you are again with relativisms. There's no difference. The possibility of having a c**kfight in small place could be related to the fact that c**ks are much smaller than oxen? Following your logic if "farra do boi" were "underground", kept in some small area with restricted access, then it would be "ok"?

When you find Karl Roves, and two or three American Congressmen caught betting around a dark ring of bloodied chickens, then you can start making comparisons to the US.

Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Now you sound like "Bo" with his "police efficiency" talk, of course 100% cases of slave work found are solved, just like in Brazil, but what about those you don't know about?

What the hell is this “Anti-Brazilian” paranoia? Please define it for me

I call anti-Brazilian someone that out of xenophoby will make unreasonable claims about Brazil and brazilians in general. By "unreasonable" I mean arguments whose logic are flawed, the values applied differ from other countries (just like you did when you say "bullfighting" is somehow better than "farra do boi") and it serves only to incite mutual hate.

Your texts has no good information. You don't trace the causes of "farra do boi", nor cites any other case of barbarity in the US or Europe for comparison. And even try to minimize "bullfighting" in order for it to look as bad as "farra do boi". Instead you promote "farra do boi" as if it were some sort of national passtime.

Your goal is not to clarify anything, but obviously to create some meaningless flamewar where you can spread your hatred.

So you use youtube vídeos and O globo novelas to argue your points? Are you, like, ahhh, 12 or sumfin Dude?

You asked where I had taken that information from, this is your answer. This is not a scientific study but it shows what the average level of knowledge will be. None of those people are poor and hungry, and none of them look like some drug addict or anything else that could explain some brain damage. They are just average americans.

Do you really think he, in that photo or any of the thousands that partipated over the long weekend in farra do boi as geographically astute as A Brazilian claims?

It's impossible to deduce that through a picture, but I don't see why not. Again, you ignore the many barbarities whose europeans and americans are proud of, such as bullfighting, that are practiced by many more people than "farra do boi", and try to make a big thing out of it.

Even if what you said were true, then you would logically obligated to conclude that in Europe it's even worse. But you won't do that, will you?

After 250 years, you can stop calling them immigrants and refer to many of them as descendants.

It doesn't change the fact that it was brought by immigrants.

Do you really think he, in that photo or any of the thousands that partipated over the long weekend in farra do boi as geographically astute as A Brazilian claims

Just a question Pinga. Were you there during the long week end,witnessing the farra do boi or did you get the info through the TV and the newspapers?

If you were present,did you do anything to prevent it?

Even if what you said were true, then you would logically obligated to conclude that in Europe it's even worse. But you won't do that, will you?

In Europe it is worse? Europe? And you claim intelligence based on geography? Bullfighting is Spain’s game Lilly, I doubt much you’d find Germans or Estonians cheering along the side-lines. Europe is a region, individual countries within that region still have individual laws, cultures and practices. And I’m quite certain bullfighting is illegal in France (the French prefer burning buses for s**ts and giggles). But why should someone who uses YOUTUBE as the basis for his academic scaffolding be specific, né Mané? Is your world so simple that it only includes North Americans, Asians and Europeans?

Eugenics and scientific racism was develop by the english in the 19th century. It was further developed by americans and served as a scientific pretext for the "master race" idea of the Nazis, justifying ethnical cleansing. The US and England were against Germany in WWII, but the racial beliefs were pretty much the same among them all.

A Classic Latin American Idiotism. Parabens! For starters, I’m not Merican, and I’m not a Pom and that has to be one of the largest leaps of retarded bigoted reverse discrimination logic I’ve seen you post thus far. It’s also truly repulsive how your ilk undermines the true historical significance and horror of Hitler and his murderous cronies by referring to everyone you disagree with, and the millions who fought for the very freedom the west now possesses, as “Nazis”. You are bile.

But anyway, this is restricted to certain areas, and definitely not approved by the general population as it is with bullfighting (or rodeos, or c**kfighting, etc).

It’s been given a wink and nod by Santa Catarina´s governor. It’s against the law, but heck good ole drunken Henrique can still put his foot in his mouth when the need arises. Most people take on YOUR approach, the one you have already admitted to: you ignore it; like you ignore every other problem in your nation. The poor are invisible to you, the violence is invisible to you and the brutality is invisible to you. Sociologists have been studying this about the nature of middle class Brazilians for years. You simple tune out that which may offend your senses.

I’ve already posted a quote from Lula’s marketing advisor getting caught in an illegal “Briga de Galo” raid and his response was “big deal everyone in Brazil knows it is my hobby”. You don’t get anymore excepting than that. BTW, Duda was later implicated in the Mensalao scandal and is STILL to this day a free man proud of his hobby, and equally proud that Brazilian Justice has prevailed yet again.

Following your logic if "farra do boi" were "underground", kept in some small area with restricted access, then it would be "ok"?

No, No and No you mental primate. I said c**kfighting is harder to police because it is underground, where as farra do boi is paraded blatantly through the streets -- they don’t try and hide, they flaunt it. It is illegal, and no one seems to give a s**t, or those that do, are threatened and or assaulted. Bem vindo ao Brasil! Nothing works, business as usual.

Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I’m fairly certain pixies and fairies don’t exist either.

I call anti-Brazilian someone that out of xenophoby will make unreasonable claims about Brazil and brazilians in general. By "unreasonable" I mean arguments whose logic are flawed.

One, you frighten me when you try and use the word logic. I’m sure you don’t really understand the true English meaning of it, because there is nothing logical at all about your posts. Secondly, how do you know when comments are based on “Xenophoby”(sic)? How do you gauge them? What are the qualitative criteria? You claim Bo is a Brazilian bigot when all he does is point out facts. You claim AES is running an anti-Brazilian campaign, when all he does is ask questions and make jokes. I think you see anti-Brazilians everywhere; you’re like McCarthy during the sixties seeing commies everywhere. This is much more telling of your psyche than of others.

But a test: tell me which comments you think are Anti-Brazilian.

1.The Barbarity that recently passed in Rio must not be viewed as just general crime, it is terrorism.
2.Brazil has a disproportionate amount of corruption in comparison with developed nations.
3.The disparity between the haves and the haves-nots is shocking and getting worse
4.Foreigners are often mistreated or taken advantage of in Brazil.
5.The number one killer of women in Recife is violence.
6.There is no quality education in Brazil, it is one of the worst in the world.

I bet you think they are ALL anti-Brazilian because they were typed by moi, but in fact they are direct quotes from your politicians and your President. It is only Anti-Brazilian when a gringo has the nerve to voice an opinion. That makes you my friend (drum roll please), a gringo hater (cymbal crash).

Again, you ignore the many barbarities whose europeans and americans are proud of, such as bullfighting, that are practiced by many more people than "farra do boi", and try to make a big thing out of it.

You’re just a raging lunatic. Since when did Americans start up with Bullfighting? Please, proof read before you post. Or better yet try a little logic (oops, we’ve gone over that, eh). We’re talking about an illegal barbaric blood sport in Brazil, that involves thousands of cowards and retarded pingussos that not only attack their prey (and it is hours of torture – including burning, drowning, breaking legs etc) but the public too, if they happen to stumble by.

Defend it all you want, it is barbaric, but my real point was, is and always will be, that those who participate in it are pathetic primitive cowards. We’ll forget the whole finding Iraq on a map bit, now that we know that the source of all your geographic wisdom comes from 5 minute video bits on youtube.

Just a question Pinga. Were you there during the long week end,witnessing the farra do boi or did you get the info through the TV and the newspapers?

Newspapers

If you were present, did you do anything to prevent it?

Those that try are beaten or worse. I don’t know how many times I have to say that until it sinks in. Google around for 30 minutes, you’ll see.

Where are you now????


Now that you've been embarrassed with facts why don't you come out and openly debate????



Because you have no ground to stand on!

You seem a bit a exalted, probably because I have pointed out the obvious flaws of your reasoning. You insist in not considering bullfighting as barbaric as "farra do boi".

A Classic Latin American Idiotism. Parabens! For starters, I’m not Merican, and I’m not a Pom and that has to be one of the largest leaps of retarded bigoted reverse discrimination logic I’ve seen you post thus far. It’s also truly repulsive how your ilk undermines the true historical significance and horror of Hitler and his murderous cronies by referring to everyone you disagree with, and the millions who fought for the very freedom the west now possesses, as “Nazis”. You are bile.

You are completely ignorant about history. There were lots of scientific theories, mostly produced by english and americans, that created an hierarchy among races. The german only beat the americans in their own game, the racist game. Study a little, this is history.

As pointed out by another user of this site:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...Great_Race

This is just to have an idea of what was going on the people's minds around the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century in the US, England and other european countries.

This is not supposed to be any sort of "scientific study". I am not sure why would be anybody looking for scientific papers in forums like this, but I am just saying it because I am sure you will completely ignore the material on the grounds that "this is not scientific".

The shameful segregation practiced in the US until the 60s is evidence of that. Until today in England, the US, they have difficulties in considering people of other ethnicities to be "equals". Of course the majority of people don't have the same racist feelings from past centuries, but the culture is still there.

There's no racism at all in my text, just history. Study a little bit and you will reach the same conclusion.

In Europe it is worse? Europe? And you claim intelligence based on geography? Bullfighting is Spain’s game Lilly, I doubt much you’d find Germans or Estonians cheering along the side-lines. Europe is a region, individual countries within that region still have individual laws, cultures and practices. And I’m quite certain bullfighting is illegal in France (the French prefer burning buses for s**ts and giggles). But why should someone who uses YOUTUBE as the basis for his academic scaffolding be specific, né Mané? Is your world so simple that it only includes North Americans, Asians and Europeans?

I said Europe because you said you aren't american. By this information I guessed that not only spaniards, but also other europeans didn't see much of a problem in bullfighting. You are still trying to place "farra do boi" in its own special category, while bullfighting and others are somehow different. That might lead the reader to thing that bullfighting is not as bad as "farra do boi".

I only pointed out the obvious stupidity in your reasoning. The more you try to differentiate both practices the more you prove my point.

It’s been given a wink ...

- No information;
- gratuitous attacks;
- attempting to be "funny";

No intelligent person would ever take you seriously.

I said c**kfighting is harder to police because it is underground, where as farra do boi is paraded blatantly through the streets -- they don’t try and hide, they flaunt it. It is illegal, and no one seems to give a s**t, or those that do, are threatened and or assaulted

Not really. It's not "flaunted". I have never heard of it. If it were "flaunted" we would see it on newspapers, TV, art, etc.

But if we look at Spain, and other europeans that seem to think that bullfighting is not "bad" because it's 1 against 1 and very professional, you will see that bullfighting is flaunted a thousand times more.

See the difference?

I said c**kfighting is harder to police because it is underground, where as farra do boi is paraded blatantly through the streets -- they don’t try and hide, they flaunt it. It is illegal, and no one seems to give a s**t, or those that do, are threatened and or assaulted

Not really. It's not "flaunted". I have never heard of it. If it were "flaunted" we would see it on newspapers, TV, art, etc.

But if we look at Spain, and other europeans that seem to think that bullfighting is not "bad" because it's 1 against 1 and very professional, you will see that bullfighting is flaunted a thousand times more.

See the difference?

how do you know when comments are based on “Xenophoby”(sic)? How do you gauge them? What are the qualitative criteria?

This is simple. No good information, you don't have any trustworthy source to prove whatever you want. And without it you still make very broad claims, and generalize as much as possible. Additionally you try to defend other countries that practice barbaric activities by using double standards. For Brazil it is bad because it's not like in Europe. Therefore your goal is not of denouncing cruelty against animals, but instead to promote hate and disinformation towards brazilians.

You make incredibly stupid questions, such as if someone in the picture know where Iraq is, how could anyone tell? I have shown you a video, although it's not a scientific study, it's, still, a display of the ignorance in Geography of the average american. You had, in your not so funny style, asked if "I had taken that out of someone's ass" or something like that. Well, I took that out of YouTube, and those people aren't created digitally, they are real.

But a test: tell me which comments you think are Anti-Brazilian.

Kid, read and understand. Just give it a try. I am sure your brain will eventually be able to capture the meaning of the text.

Since when did Americans start up with Bullfighting?

If you didn't notice I cited bullfighting, c**kfighting and rodeos. Two of those are done by americans. And since I was talking about "barbaric activities", then, yes, it's correct to cite the US. You should pay more attention.

We’re talking about an illegal barbaric blood sport in Brazil, that involves thousands of cowards and retarded pingussos that not only attack their prey (and it is hours of torture – including burning, drowning, breaking legs etc) but the public too, if they happen to stumble by.

How is this different from a legal barbaric blood sport in Spain, that involves thousands of cowards and retarded "pingussos" (sic) that not only attack their prey but kill them in very nasty ways? Or an illegal barbaric blood sport in the US, that involves thousands of cowards and retarded "pingussos" (sic) that put two c**ks to fight until death? Or yet ... well, you get the idea.

Kid, you are lost. I must have slammed you pretty bad in my last posts, calm down. Think through it. You will be able to come up with good logic, instead of this name calling session.

Now that you've been embarrassed with facts why don't you come out and openly debate????

Haha, it's that you aren't worth the trouble. I said something real, but instead you cited a study that had no connection with what I had said. The fact that some government officials estimate that there are this many "slaves" in Brazil doesn't make the problem disappear in Europe or the US.

It's a fact that especialized gangs traffic people throughout Europe and the US. I have read many interviews of women turned into sexual slaves, or people forced to work to pay their debts. It doesn't matter how much you scream "Brazil" you won't make the problems away.

A Brazilian: "Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist." -- Now there's something we can coin as the newest classic.

With a sophisticated highly self-adapting computer program design specifically to oppose and contradict regardless, there's alway the chance of a memory rollover event wherein the program contradicts one or more of it's prior summary conclusions and doesn't even notice it. Abe, just because you don't know what's really real in your own country doesn't mean it doesn't exist so stop being so hardcore in saying that this that and the other thing just doesn't exist and then backing down and saying it's not widespread / across the board / present everywhere. No one (other than ch.c of course) has any penchant for Brazil bashing nor do they think that just because this or that occurred here or there that that somehow represents the whole sphere of wonder and a common characteristic of every sole in the country. Maybe you should do whatever you have to do to once each day to relieve the pressure you're under. It doesn't matter if the necessary shot is done alone or together with someone else, just do it for God's sake.

Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animals. “Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives,” wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. “Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Studies have now convinced sociologists, lawmakers, and the courts that acts of cruelty toward animals deserve our attention. They can be the first sign of a violent pathology that includes human victims.

Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser but rather a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals don’t stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.

The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.

A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates scheduled to be executed for murder at California’s San Quentin penitentiary “practiced” their crimes on animals, according to the warden.

The scholastic theologians condemn the infliction of needless suffering on animals, chiefly because of the injurious effects on the character of the perpetrator. Thus St. Thomas, in his Summa Contra Gentiles (Book II, 112), after refuting the error that it is not lawful to take the lives of brutes, explains the import of the above-mentioned texts of Scripture. He says that these prohibitions are issued either


lest anyone by exercising cruelty towards brutes may become cruel also towards men; or, because an injury to brutes may result in loss to the owner, or on account of some symbolic signification.
Elsewhere (Summa Theologica I-II:102:6 ad 8um) he states that God's purpose in recommending kind treatment of the brute creation is to dispose men to pity and tenderness for one another. While the scholastics rest their condemnation of cruelty to animals on its demoralizing influence, their general teaching concerning the nature of man's rights and duties furnishes principles which have but to be applied in order to establish the direct and essential sinfulness of cruelty to the animal world, irrespective of the results of such conduct on the character of those who practise it.

LIke I started off, Bo has heaps of patients. I don´t know how he does it, repeatedly week after week. Having a discussion here is as about as futile as it is hurding squirrels.

LMAO!


Thanks Pinga, you make my points precisely, and much more eloquently than myself.

Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Now you sound like "Bo" with his "police efficiency" talk, of course 100% cases of slave work found are solved, just like in Brazil, but what about those you don't know about?

Huh??? Where was I talking about "police efficiency"? Where are you pulling this s**t out of besides your ass? Unreal how you fabricate statements for me, I don't have to write a thing, you'll fabricate my statements for me.

But if you want to talk about police efficiency, naturally we could talk all day. Yet another brazilian oxy-moron.

And as far as "100% of slave work found are solved, like in brazil...."

What a f**king joke that is!! Tell me, that brazilian senator that was discovered to have hundreds of slaves on his farm last year, did he go to prison??

Of course not! Why?? Because brazilian politicians are tried and judged in a different court than everyone else, and does anyone know how many current or ex politicians have been convicted by this court in it's history??? As Pinga says, "drumroll please"......NOT ONE!

Tell me Abe, what do you think is going to happen to the minister of STJ that just got arrested yesterday for his involvement in illegal gambling? Arrested along with numerous other judges as well as federal policemen, among others, one to note, a portuguese citizen that was given the status as "honorary citizen of the city of Rio", lmao.

I have to hand it to the brazilian federal police, they make some nice busts sometimes. But they know, in the end, it's all a big joke, it's all for show, because NOTHING will be the end result. How do you say it in brazil, "it will end up in pizza"???

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written by A brazilian, 2007-04-13 21:46:36

Now that you've been embarrassed with facts why don't you come out and openly debate????



Haha, it's that you aren't worth the trouble. I said something real, but instead you cited a study that had no connection with what I had said. The fact that some government officials estimate that there are this many "slaves" in Brazil doesn't make the problem disappear in Europe or the US.

It's a fact that especialized gangs traffic people throughout Europe and the US. I have read many interviews of women turned into sexual slaves, or people forced to work to pay their debts. It doesn't matter how much you scream "Brazil" you won't make the problems away.

Well please, can you cite credible sources for your hot wind passing between your lips?? You always ask for "proof" from others, and then many provide it, then you simply decide not to respond to the proof, or you say, "oh, the united nations has a grudge against brazil...", or, "they're controlled by the U.S.....", as if the U.S. has some big conspiracy to steal all the bananas in brazil.

Please, site a study, something, anything credible other than your bad breath. You truly are a prime example of "the typical latin american idiot".

This is not a scientific study but it shows what the average level of knowledge will be. None of those people are poor and hungry, and none of them look like some drug addict or anything else that could explain some brain damage. They are just average americans.

Ohhh, so you saw a handful of young american idiots in YouTube and you're going to deduce that "this is america"??

Tell me, would you like me to take some video of some of the knuckledraggers close to where I live?? All I would have to do is shoot some film at the local fruit and vegatable market, ask those brain surgeons a couple questions, you want to talk about something that would be embarrassing to the outside world?? I just got finished taking a couple English tourists there this week, they said, "Bo, the fruit and vegatables were beatiful, but don't ever take me back to that place again." Scary it is, to realize that human beings are truly animals.

But a test: tell me which comments you think are Anti-Brazilian.

1.The Barbarity that recently passed in Rio must not be viewed as just general crime, it is terrorism.
2.Brazil has a disproportionate amount of corruption in comparison with developed nations.
3.The disparity between the haves and the haves-nots is shocking and getting worse
4.Foreigners are often mistreated or taken advantage of in Brazil.
5.The number one killer of women in Recife is violence.
6.There is no quality education in Brazil, it is one of the worst in the world.

I bet you think they are ALL anti-Brazilian because they were typed by moi, but in fact they are direct quotes from your politicians and your President. It is only Anti-Brazilian when a gringo has the nerve to voice an opinion. That makes you my friend (drum roll please), a gringo hater (cymbal crash).

Don't know how long you've been reading these boards Pinga, but around a month ago two brazilian friends and myself were in a shopping mall, we were discussing politics, my brazilian friends were being much harsher than myself in regards to brazil and corruption, etc. When someone nearby realized that I wasn't brazilian and heard me speaking about some unfortunately realities that exist in brazil, I was verbally assaulted, the security guards at the mall had to physically escort the man outside. He was screaming at the top of his lungs. "Eu sou Sergipano, se-respeitar, voce é um americano, volta para seu país". Yet another, Typical latin american idiot.

written by A brazilian, 2007-04-13 21:38:29
But a test: tell me which comments you think are Anti-Brazilian.



Kid, read and understand. Just give it a try. I am sure your brain will eventually be able to capture the meaning of the text.

You didn't respond to the question at hand, you avoided it! When you try and make light of statements and/or questions as you did in this situation, it is crystal clear that your predjudice and irrationality have no bounds.

And not the tap water, as no one recommends it be drank, so it must the the agua mineral!

The French Embassy is now alerting french tourists that come to brazil, particularly Rio, SP, Recife and Brasilia to carry 50 reais in a special pocket to give to thieves when being robbed. Naturally the secretary of tourism in Rio is a little bit miffed by this and has once again, just like our friend Abe Razillion deniar, stated that crime happens in Paris too!!!

Funny how a country can have such drastic problems in epidemic numbers yet justify the severity of the problems by simply stating, "well, these problems exist in your country too."

Well, yeah Einsteins, they do, but not in catastrophic numbers and better yet in most of these other countries there is actually a police force that isn't working hand in hand with the criminals!

Most of the people who suffer at the hands of muggers are the working poor. I try to advise them to leave all documents at home except for the one they absolutely have to have for the bus trip in question. Why carry your titulo, bank card, etc., if you won´t need it?

Almost all middle class carry some cash in the pocket or purse to keep the mugger from shooting them out of spite.

Most foreigners in the know find someone to make them a 90% sized color copy of their ID card, which serves for almost anything.

Farra do Bol 'oxy-moronic'.

Why not just pore ethanol, over the animal, light it, set it loose a runnin and after its stops screaming it'd be ready to eat. What a hoot.

so profissionau dji sekisu i kero fude

Attacking animals is something very bad, that's why we must alert the world about people doing it in Spain (with approval from other europeans), US and other places as well.

"Attacking animals is something very bad, that's why we must alert the world about people doing it in . . . other places as well."

Long range attack planning? Some things you should not try to export my ever so shifting and refocusing Fiend. Other things I am all for everyone doing everywhere and as often and as much as they can. You ought to try to do a bit of that yourself to take off some of the stress you always seem to be under.

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If you were present, did you do anything to prevent it?


Those that try are beaten or worse. I don’t know how many times I have to say that until it sinks in. Google around for 30 minutes, you’ll see.

So,Pinga, you read through the newspapers (which ones, if I might ask you) and passed judgement on the repugnant "Farra do Boi". Of course, you didnt pay any attention to the pictures you sent.I am not even going to attempt to explain what is wrong with those pics.

Even if you were here,you woudnt have made any efforts to prevent the "Farra do Boi",because you are a personification of an arsehole.I dont think you are an American,nor a Kiwi or an Ossie (all these nationalities have better manners). I think you must be a Spaniard or a f**king Argentine.By throwing the word Pom,you try to impress us.Sorry,I know the meaning and I am not overjoyed

Mah friend Bo may be impressed with you ,but I am not. You are nothing but an armchair traveler,googling and viewing you tube clips and passing judgements on other people an their cultures.If I were Bo, I wouldnt trust you.

To repeat, you are nothing but a personification of an arsehole,jerk and a prick. Please do me a favor.Dont come to our state.

written by João da Silva, 2007-04-14 22:57:44

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If you were present, did you do anything to prevent it?


Those that try are beaten or worse. I don’t know how many times I have to say that until it sinks in. Google around for 30 minutes, you’ll see.



So,Pinga, you read through the newspapers (which ones, if I might ask you) and passed judgement on the repugnant "Farra do Boi". Of course, you didnt pay any attention to the pictures you sent.I am not even going to attempt to explain what is wrong with those pics.

Even if you were here,you woudnt have made any efforts to prevent the "Farra do Boi",because you are a personification of an arsehole.I dont think you are an American,nor a Kiwi or an Ossie (all these nationalities have better manners). I think you must be a Spaniard or a f**king Argentine.By throwing the word Pom,you try to impress us.Sorry,I know the meaning and I am not overjoyed

Mah friend Bo may be impressed with you ,but I am not. You are nothing but an armchair traveler,googling and viewing you tube clips and passing judgements on other people an their cultures.If I were Bo, I wouldnt trust you.

To repeat, you are nothing but a personification of an arsehole,jerk and a prick. Please do me a favor.Dont come to our state.

João, what have you done except voice your opinion? I have seen you, time and time again, speak out in favor of our ole friend and lover of reality denying, "Abe Razillion".

Let me ask you a couple questions João. Do you think it's beneficial for people to agree with someone just because he is an american, or a brazilian, or a martian for that matter regardless of what his opinions are, regardless of his morality and/or ability to be honest?

I mean come on João, how many times have you seen "your buddy" Abe Razillion make a statement that is a bare-faced lie, only to come back and attempt to say he "meant something different"? How many times have you seen Abe Razillion deny obvious realities in brazil and make attempts at justifying their existance, and these are grave problematic realities that exist in epidemic proportions, problems that exist in brazil in which brazil is either THE world leader, or A world leader, by stating, "well, it exists in the U.S. and Europe too." Did you see your buddy Abe claim, over and over again, that "racism doesn't exist in brazil", using a blanket statement, then call a black american a nig-ger? And then try to justify it!

I enjoy reading some of your posts João, but I hope you're not the type of brazilian in which I've already met numerous, and that is the type that doesn't mind a foreigner making an observation about problems in brazil as long as he doesn't cut too deep. As when he does then his true colors are revealed, and they are that he is a "closet" Abe Razillion.

You are nothing but an armchair traveler,googling and viewing you tube clips

What are you talking about João? Your buddy Abe was the one using a YouTube clip as his basis that americans can't find Iraq on a map! It wasn't Pinga! Come on now, don't start twisting and torting things, Abe, E Sodomy, Dana and Ana do quite a nice job of that on their own.

Attacking animals is something very bad, that's why we must alert the world about people doing it in Spain (with approval from other europeans), US and other places as well. They bull fight in Mexico as well. And in the South (U.S.) pittbull dog fighting is a rural past time, the only problem being is that from time to time one of them gets out and eats a 3 or 4 year old child.

Children pull the wings off flies and watch them stumble around, most stop but some progress up the Darwinian ladder until they finally reach man. I cited you a Psychological and Theological profile of the torturers of animals. I have never heard of Farra do Bol, but it is the torturing of an animal for the pleasure of it. I dont know if you have seen a bull fight in Spain or Mexico, but the first thing they do is drive spikes into the bulls shoulders so that it lowers its head making it easier for the matador to place the muleta through the heart. They also, when they cheat, shave the horns of the bull an inch or two so that when it charges it is off by a couple of inches. They are of course playing with the life of the animal, but the animal gets to play with the man. It is a kind of hunt, both man and beast are often killed equally. But the Ferra do Bol is merely about tearing the wings off a fly, breaking its legs, beating it, for hours, hearing it scream, taking joy in the agony of the animal. Yes tell the world of this, it will not bode well for the rep**ation of Brazilians, or their courage, or their manhoon. It will merely define them as a psychologically, troubled people, to the world. The bullfights of Spain and Mexico, the running of the bulls at Pamplona are about courage. Ferra dol Bol is about the debasement of life. It is about cruelty, where as the corrida of Spain and Mexico are about courage, bravery and art, the art of death, there is no art in Ferra dol Bol. Tell the world of this tradition of Brazil, it will become, no doubt like Carnival, a great tourist destination for Easter, instead of Rome and St. Peters to hear the Benediction of the Pope. One of the earliest films ever made was a French film called 'La Sangue de la Bete', (1909). If you ever have the opportunity to see it, it is black and white, silent and maybe ten minutes long, you might have an epiphany of sorts. Perhaps you have become so calcified in your thinking that you are immutable, no longer capable of learning, or of feelingn, or of change. Perhaps not. 'Carpe diem and while you're at it caveat emptor'. . .let the buyer beware of what he buys as truth, not everyting is at it seems. We are all fools only in differences of degrees. Some of course are sociopaths.

The scholastic theologians condemn the infliction of needless suffering on animals, chiefly because of the injurious effects on the character of the perpetrator. Thus St. Thomas, in his Summa Contra Gentiles (Book II, 112) lest anyone by exercising cruelty towards brutes may become cruel also towards men. Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animals. “Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives,” wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser but rather a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals don’t stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans. People who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans.

Perhaps this is the source of all the violence in Brazil.

So, Pinga, you read through the newspapers (which ones, if I might ask you) and passed judgement on the repugnant "Farra do Boi". Of course, you didnt pay any attention to the pictures you sent. I am not even going to attempt to explain what is wrong with those pics.

I passed judgment on Farra do Boi, and more to the point, those that participate with it, eons ago. I hold a pretty strong opinion about a number of cruel and inhumane practices around the world and the pathetic savages that take pleasure in such barbarity. We however are discussing Brazil and farra, so what use is it of me to rabbit on about something like cobra and mongoose fighting in India? You’re the one defending farra and its participants by thinking it is OK because somewhere off in another part of the world someone is doing something similarly cruel. I’m too bright to buy into typical state issued rhetoric.

And you should “point out what is wrong with those pictures” if you can. I think the photo of the farrista typifies the thuggery behind the cruelty, and I used it accordingly. That is the art. I provide an image (proof) of my hypothosis that farristas are avages and look like they yield from Stone Age (I’d bet that their isn’t a full mouth of teeth between the tree in that photo). However, you have no discussion or reason within you, do you? You are of the same chest pounding, “my country right or wrong”, ilk as “A Brazilian” and your next paragraph confirms this.

I dont think you are an American, nor a Kiwi or an Ossie (all these nationalities have better manners). I think you must be a Spaniard or a f**king Argentine.

A fudging Argentine? What has Argentina done to provoke such hostility in this particular discussion? You see my little monosynaptic myelin deficient defender of the state, you see no difference between individuals. To you, and A Brazilan (his nic is the epitome of nationalism) nations and regions are all homogenous (except of course Brazil). Everyone within them fit into some little neat mold or pattern that you can use when the need arises: “Kiwis are polite, but OH those fudging Argentines”. You don’t bother to attack a political or ideological segment within a population or nation, or individual acts, issues or ideas within a nation, you attack the nation. That’s what ill-informed nationalists do. “A Brazilian” hates Americans because that is what your ilk are taught, and you hate Argentines because that is what your ilk is taught, and in general, when all is really said and done you all hate FOREIGNERS. Admit it.

Bo is 100% correct in his analysis of you. You follow A Brazilian around this site with your nose so far up his ass that you can see Costinhas’s feet, and that makes you blind to the blanket generalizations he makes about other nations and his absurd and often childlike reactions to any criticism of any within Brazil.

You do not really wish to defend farra do boi, but you do dislike my (a foreigner’s) judgment of those who participate. This sticks in your craw. This is how Idiots have been raised. They’ve been raised to be bigots. You have no reason or ability to address my judgment or (as harsh as it may be) my opinion, so now you are seeking my identity and nationality, so that you can use ad-hominen attacks and regional and national generalizations to continue. The VERY THINGS that A Brazilian and you complain that others do in regards to Brazil. This is hypocrisy at its finest and regretfully highlights your low level of intelligence and limited ability to reason.

I rarely, if at all, generalize. I’ve been quite careful NOT to say all Brazilians are sissy cruel cowards, I’ve been attacking the farristas. When I lump “A Brazilian” into the “Latin American Idiot” camp, I’m not lumping him in with all Latin Americans, just the idiots. I always use the caveat (as from what I read so does Bo, this is why I chimed in) that NOT ALL from country X, Y or Z are like this. “A Brazilian” does not. His retarded Youtube-researched quips such as: “AMERICANS have a legendary problem with geography” is proof. He’s bought into the state taught nonsense and doesn’t even attempt to think for himself, because to question the state’s “party-line” is tantamount to treason. I’m sure he was cheering on Lula’s attempts to revoke Larry Rother’s passport two years ago. He would be willing to sacrifice freedom of speech in his nation if it meant lynching a “gringo”.

Mah friend Bo may be impressed with you ,but I am not. You are nothing but an armchair traveler,googling and viewing you tube clips and passing judgements on other people an their cultures.If I were Bo, I wouldnt trust you.

Yes, I do pass judgments on farristas and their sick game. They are sissy little primate savages that find thrills in the long drawn out mutilation of animals. And I agree wholeheartedly with AES in that this has deeper psychological consequences for a society. Do all Brazilians participate and accept this savage ritual? Of course not. From my reading there are some active campaigns to stop the barbarity including the newly, and appropriately, named “Para a Festa de covarde” campaign. Again, their work will be difficult. It is already illegal, but the state doesn’t really care and worse is powerless to confront the mobs. João, you too, don’t really seem to care, although you’ll defend it to the death with foreigners who find it repugnant and your only reason for doing this is that your passport is green and says “The Republic of Brazil”. Pathetic.

AES: I agree
written by A brazilian, 2007-04-14 19:04:45

Attacking animals is something very bad, that's why we must alert the world about people doing it in Spain (with approval from other europeans), US and other places as well.

A Brazilan, and this is why you’ll never grow. You’re a follower. You are not a leader. A leader would say, “I´m not interested in what the rest of the world is doing I don’t what this happening in MY backyard”. A Nationalistic State-brainwashed follower always pines in, “it’s not so bad here you should see what they are doing it Haiti”. I´ve repeatedly stated, you and your ilk are what is holding Brazil back.

Kid, you are lost. I must have slammed you pretty bad in my last posts, calm down.

Okey dokey pokey. Your wisdom and clarity of thought are awe-inspiring, just like little João da Silva's. I feel I have heaps to learn from the both of you. However, I´m still struggling with the concept of sarcasm. How did I do?

Bo is 100% correct in his analysis of you. You follow A Brazilian around this site with your nose so far up his ass that you can see Costinhas’s feet, and that makes you blind to the blanket generalizations he makes about other nations and his absurd and often childlike reactions to any criticism of any within Brazil.

Lol,Bo never judged me 100%. I have more respect for Bo than you think.You know why? He lives in this country,provides jobs for the Brazilians and pays his taxes (I am sure he does). He is entitled to criticize us and I wish many of my fellow citizens follow his example and start holding our elected officials responsible for the mess they love to create and are unable to solve.

As for your statement that I follow "A Brazilian" around this site,there again it shows your poor judgement of other people. I dont like arse kissing and arse kissers.I dont trust them. The same thing applies to people who target a single individual (or a group) and start bashing them all the time. Remember what AES said:Those who move with the masses are going in the wrong direction.In case you think that I am following AES around this site and kissing his arse,again you will demonstrate your poor judgement of people.

Look, I am against ANY cruelty to ANY animal. I am against farra do boi as well as Bull fighting in Spain. I dont think that the Matador is demonstrating any personal courage. He is being paid to kill the bull or be killed by it.In the case of 30 ill dressed jerks who kill the bull in farra do boi ensure that they dont get killed. It is called mob lynching. Years ago it was different (I did try to explain it).Years ago, I was talking to a couple of idiots about Farra do Boi. They tried to explain to me that Bull Fighting in Spain is a profitable business that attracts lots of tourists and Farra do Boi also can be made such!. I almost puked. BTW, I think those characters in the picture you posted are such budding entrepreneurs.

I hope I made myself little more clearer. Not that it really matters. Have a nice Sunday

I have more respect for Bo than you think.You know why? He lives in this country,provides jobs for the Brazilians and pays his taxes (I am sure he does). He is entitled to criticize us and I wish many of my fellow citizens follow his example and start holding our elected officials responsible for the mess they love to create and are unable to solve.

This paragraph alone shows a new level of personal sophistication and character to me and will no doubt ruffle "A Brazilian's" feathers, I’m sure Bo will appreciate it, though. So, on the basis of this paragraph, I’ll extend a personal apology for lumping you in with the master of deflection and denial. I really should have avoided this from the start, knowing full well that “A Brazilian” is in a league of his own.

As for your statement that I follow "A Brazilian" around this site,there again it shows your poor judgement of other people.

I actually have a fairly keen sense of observation; you did refer to “A Brazilian” as “buddy” when you edged him on and said to “let him have it” when your sights were set on me. But, given the more rational and honest tone of your last post, I’ll let sleeping dogs lye.

I hope I made myself little more clearer. Not that it really matters.

It does matter. Heaps. Clarity is everything. I’m still a wee bit miffed as to why comparisons with other nations need be made when trying to evaluate an issue specific to Brazil; however you have tidied up -- at least by a tad -- the irrational and illogical twisted mess that was left behind from your earlier and angrier post thinking I was an Argentine (Not that there is anything wrong with being an Argentine). Kudos.

Have a nice Sunday

I still sense a smidgen of sarcasm, but I’ll not try and read too much into it and take it for how it is written on the screen and return the pleasantry, and extend it into the week, for you and your family as well.

I’m sure he was cheering on Lula’s attempts to revoke Larry Rother’s passport two years ago. He would be willing to sacrifice freedom of speech in his nation if it meant lynching a “gringo”.

If you are talking about Larry Rother, the Brazilian based correspondent of NY Times,you are wrong again. Lula can not revoke his passport. Larry is an U.S, citizen and I dont think even his government can do it. Lula tried to revoke his PERMANENT RESIDENCY staus and could not accomplish it.Larry is married to a Brazilian citizen and well protected by the laws,like many of the Americans in this forum. FYI, I was not cheering for Larry´s expulsion from this country. I would be surprised if I come to know that "A Brazilian " was doing it either.

BTW, the word "gringo" is used in this state (at least) to refer to Spanish speaking people from Latin America and especially the Argentines.

so now you are seeking my identity and nationality, so that you can use ad-hominen attacks and regional and national generalizations to continue.

Not really.I dont give a s**t about your identity and nationality. But, if you decide to visit our state,make sure you dont publicize your visit.Those two sinister looking charaters in the picture you posted (about Farra do Boi) may be waiting for you at the air port or the bus terminal.Also make sure that you have a valid passport and a visa.Our Feds are pretty strict about it.

I still sense a smidgen of sarcasm, but I’ll not try and read too much into it and take it for how it is written on the screen and return the pleasantry, and extend it into the week, for you and your family as well.

No need to sense a smidgen of sarcasm,mah boy. I really meant when I said it.Thank you so much for reciprocating my pleasantries. You too have a great week with your family and friends. Take care.Will be in touch.

Is "Calma!" You could have a scene with a quadriplegic in a wheelchair simply raising his eyebrows about something said, and some guy sees it and says, "CALMA!"

Cracks me up every time.

Toinga
written by João da Silva, 2007-04-15 20:44:23

I’m sure he was cheering on Lula’s attempts to revoke Larry Rother’s passport two years ago. He would be willing to sacrifice freedom of speech in his nation if it meant lynching a “gringo”.



If you are talking about Larry Rother, the Brazilian based correspondent of NY Times,you are wrong again. Lula can not revoke his passport. Larry is an U.S, citizen and I dont think even his government can do it. Lula tried to revoke his PERMANENT RESIDENCY staus and could not accomplish it.Larry is married to a Brazilian citizen and well protected by the laws,like many of the Americans in this forum. FYI, I was not cheering for Larry´s expulsion from this country. I would be surprised if I come to know that "A Brazilian " was doing it either.

BTW, the word "gringo" is used in this state (at least) to refer to Spanish speaking people from Latin America and especially the Argentines.

Also make sure that you have a valid passport and a visa.Our Feds are pretty strict about it.

First, about Mr. Rother. To be clear, Mr. Rother's visa was revoked and he was ordered to be deported by the first judge in the first court hearing he went to.....although it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Thank goodness that Rother and the NYTimes have/had a very good lawyer in Sao Paulo that contested the decision and finally the brazilian supreme court made a ruling in accordance to brazilian law.

The problem about the whole Larry Rother situation is this. How could a president of a country, the largest in Latin America, with the "tenth" largest GNP on planet earth, a "democracy", one that spouts and earns for a permanent seat on the United Nations security council, attempt to deport a foreign reporter simply because he made a statement in regards to how much the president likes to take a slug every now and again? It's not like it hadn't been reported before and/or stated by his numerous friends to reporters previously.

Can you imagine how many people that George Bush would have to deport if he was worried about the number of reporters that published "negative" things about him in the newspapers, or stated on the news?

What Lula attempted to do was ludicrous and it shows the continued existance of the extreme leftist ideology, as well as his maturity level. "You don't have to like what I'm doing, but don't criticize me, especially in public, or suffer the consequences." Lula couldn't do anything against Larry in the form of contacting his boss, or through "amizade", since he works for the NYTimes, as they would tell Lula, in a roundabout way, to go f**k himself. So he ordered him deported, f**k the law, f**k the constitution, f**k democracy, f**k freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Don't ya think that Lula should've had at least ONE advisor to say, "hey buddy, I understand you're pissed, but you can't deport the guy, he has a permanent visa. It will be a public relations nightmare for you, make you look bad, if not here in brazil with the educated brazilians, definitely on an international basis." I mean, go ahead and sue the guy for libel or defamation of character, but order his deportation? Sounds like something the military regime in the '70's would've done.

And a word on the word "gringo". I've been called a gringo and am called a gringo, on a consistant basis. I have also been called it in a derogatory way with tone and mannerisms. Many foreigners take exception to being called a gringo. I know the 30 plus english families that I relate to on a weekly basis that have homes here in my city also take exception to being called a gringo. I guess for many foreigners it would be like being a hispanic in the states and being called a "spic". And I think it's absurd when it's used in a formal situation and especially when it's by someone that doesn't know you very well. I was at junta comercial a couple months ago and the receptionist there phoned a supervisor and told him, "That gringo is here that was here last week....." And I replied, "Gringo? Mam, I'm a foreigner and that wasn't very polite. The word "estrangeiro" is much more polite when speaking about a foreigner. Many brazilians, for whatever reason, don't realize that the word "gringo" has a negative connotation attached to it, at least for a large percentage of foreigners.

As far as the valid passport and visa, they're strict as well they should be, as in any country. Just imagine João if Brazil had 12-20 million illegal Argentines, taking jobs from brazilians, chairs in schools from brazilian children, not respecting brazilian culture or the language. And every now and again, would go to the streets by the millions, in SP, RJ, Salvador, Recife, Brasilia, etc and "DEMAND" their "rights", burn the brazilian flag in the streets while waving the argentinian flag and change the words and the language of your national anthem. Tell me João, how many people do you think would die? When I hear any brazilian start to talk about illegals in the states I give the above example, and so far, when I ask the question, "how many do you think would die?" I have yet to be given an answer that has not been.... "muito".




Finally, I appreciate you stating that in your opinion I have a right to voice my opinions here in brazil. My likes as well as dislikes. Afterall, I'm legal here. I have a brazilian child, a brazilian ex-wife, a current brazilian wife, a brazilian business. I pay taxes to the brazilian gov't., absurd taxes, more than most brazilians I would wager. I would never attempt to state that a non-U.S. born american citizen, or a citizen with a green card in the U.S. doesn't have the right to voice his opinions, his likes or dislikes. Americans have problems with illegal aliens, or whatever the hell the "politically correct" term is these days, not with those that have taken the correct path. As the U.S. is a country based in law. And that means that the law must be obeyed and enforced. And as long as people obey and have respect for the law you won't find many americans that will have problems with foreigners in the U.S. I only wish I could say the same about brazil.

a "democracy", one that spouts and earns for a permanent seat on the United Nations security council

yearns for...

Yeh I'm amazed that they use the word 'gringo' which has the connotation of 'the ignorant bastard American' with impunity. As though it were all right to say 'the 'n****r' is here the same one as last week. In Hawaii the word is 'haoli' ( prounounced howlee) literally means foreigner, but means 'white mother f**ker from America'. It is not a term of endearment.

Some time ago Chavez came to Rio and to the cheers of the crowd railed at OGLOBO for the temerety, the audacity of exposing, in print the graft and financial underpinings of the current powers that be. If it were my country you would all be jailed, the crowd cheered, I thought, Jesus Christ how close is this leftist totalitarianism, apparently one visa away. But the stock market, Bovespa and the demands of global economic powers will ultimately control the ship of state, though it oft be a ship of fools.

What Lula attempted to do was ludicrous and it shows the continued existance of the extreme leftist ideology, as well as his maturity level. "You don't have to like what I'm doing, but don't criticize me, especially in public, or suffer the consequences." Lula couldn't do anything against Larry in the form of contacting his boss, or through "amizade", since he works for the NYTimes, as they would tell Lula, in a roundabout way, to go f**k himself. So he ordered him deported, f**k the law, f**k the constitution, f**k democracy, f**k freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Don't ya think that Lula should've had at least ONE advisor to say, "hey buddy, I understand you're pissed, but you can't deport the guy, he has a permanent visa. It will be a public relations nightmare for you, make you look bad, if not here in brazil with the educated brazilians, definitely on an international basis." I mean, go ahead and sue the guy for libel or defamation of character, but order his deportation? Sounds like something the military regime in the '70's would've done.

I agree with you. The first thought that came to my mind was : "Why couldnt he sue Larry for libel or defamation of character?"

And a word on the word "gringo". I've been called a gringo and am called a gringo, on a consistant basis. I have also been called it in a derogatory way with tone and mannerisms. Many foreigners take exception to being called a gringo.

In the states of PR,SC and RG, this word is not used when refering to a foreigner.Either he is called "estrangeiro" or refered to by his nationality after they come to know it. "americano","canadenses",etc; You may be surprised to know that many uneducated people use the word "gringo" while refering to Argentines!

As far as the valid passport and visa, they're strict as well they should be, as in any country. Just imagine João if Brazil had 12-20 million illegal Argentines, taking jobs from brazilians, chairs in schools from brazilian children, not respecting brazilian culture or the language. And every now and again, would go to the streets by the millions, in SP, RJ, Salvador, Recife, Brasilia, etc and "DEMAND" their "rights", burn the brazilian flag in the streets while waving the argentinian flag and change the words and the language of your national anthem. Tell me João, how many people do you think would die? When I hear any brazilian start to talk about illegals in the states I give the above example, and so far, when I ask the question, "how many do you think would die?" I have yet to be given an answer that has not been.... "muito".

Here "bastante". In U.S. "None or muito pouco".Yours is a more tolerant society and here we dont take any prisoners!.BTW, I was always amazed at the friendly personnel in the customs and immigration at the U.S airports, while receiving the "Visitors"( and not "foreigners" ) .

Finally, I appreciate you stating that in your opinion I have a right to voice my opinions here in brazil. My likes as well as dislikes. Afterall, I'm legal here. I have a brazilian child, a brazilian ex-wife, a current brazilian wife, a brazilian business. I pay taxes to the brazilian gov't., absurd taxes, more than most brazilians I would wager. I would never attempt to state that a non-U.S. born american citizen, or a citizen with a green card in the U.S. doesn't have the right to voice his opinions, his likes or dislikes

Bo, you are really expressing the opinion of millions of educated Brazilians,in plain written English.Contiune to be what you are.

and by the way, there are numerous things about brazil that I love! And I will talk about those soon. And numerous brazilians that I love as well....most of all my daughter!

most of all my daughter!

And I hope you are teaching her to speak prim and proper English (with an accent of a Marylander.If I recall correctly you were born in Maryland,weren´t you?)

speak english to my daughter. She will be 5 in July and she understands everything I say, and speaks quite a bit. I would say by the time she is 6 or 6.5 years old she will be completely fluent in english.

Wasn't born in Maryland but I'm from that neck of the woods, mid-atlantic region.

Some time ago Chavez came to Rio and to the cheers of the crowd railed at OGLOBO for the temerety, the audacity of exposing, in print the graft and financial underpinings of the current powers that be. If it were my country you would all be jailed, the crowd cheered, I thought, Jesus Christ how close is this leftist totalitarianism, apparently one visa away. But the stock market, Bovespa and the demands of global economic powers will ultimately control the ship of state, though it oft be a ship of fools.

It can get a little scary at times AES, I've experienced it. The state where I live is 100% PT. The mayor of the capitol, the governor of the state. The president of the OAB for brazil is from sergipe as well as his uncle, one of Lula's ministers. All PT.