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The Real Reason Behind Pope's Visit to Brazil: to Squash Liberation Theology PDF Print E-mail
Written by Marcelo Netto Rodrigues   
Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:46

Pope Benedict XVI arrives in Brazil Ask any ordinary Brazilian Catholic why the pope is visiting Brazil, and the corny old tune will be the same: "Benedict XVI is coming to canonize friar Galvão, the first genuinely Brazilian saint". Try to ask a layman, and his answer will add an enigmatic acronym to those who do not follow the Church's history: "He is coming for the opening of the 5th CELAM's Conference".

Ask now any Liberation Theology representative, and Ratzinger's jovial visit turns into a clear message in which friar Galvão is a mere popular supporting actor in a plan to contain the Catholic exodus; and the bishops conference becomes the main stage to attack those who live under the prism of "preferential option for the poor" -  an option by the way germinated in Medellin (Colombia), in 1968, during the encounter's 2nd edition and irrigated in the following meeting in Puebla (Mexico), in 1979.

Benedict XVI did not choose Brazil by chance for his first trip as a pope to the American continent. His stay, although short, can define the Church's course in Latin America for the next ten years. This because traditionally the inaugural talk of the General Conference of the Latin-American and Caribbean Episcopate (CELAM), which will be delivered by Ratzinger the same day he leaves the country, May 13,   serves to delimit the discussions ground, which this time will be conducted by 280 bishops who will remain gathered in the city of Aparecida do Norte up to May 31.

And it's precisely here that Ratzinger's concerns play a role. He will be treading Brazilian territory for the third time. The first one was in 1985, soon after the proceedings against Brazilian liberation theologian Leonardo Boff and the second, in 1990, to teach a course to Brazilian bishops in  Rio de Janeiro.

Almost half of the planet's Catholics live in Latin America. They are 480 million faithfuls who little by little are abandoning the Catholic Church. Ratzinger is hopeful that his talk has direct influence on the lines of pastoral action adopted by the bishops at the end of the meeting.

As a curiosity in this battle between the Catholic Church and the neopentecostal churches we need only say that the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, belonging to bishop Edir Macedo, has just announced that his pastors will be handing out condoms to all their faithfuls, as a follow-up to what they are already doing in South Africa.

Appetizer

This line of reasoning supports in part the opinion of Father João Pedro Baresi, a Combonian priest aligned to the Liberation Theology. Says he, "Ratzinger's visit is part of a plan in which the biggest concern is the exodus of the Catholic believers." Not only that.

For Baresi, the pope is also going to use the trip to try "to put a brake on Liberation Theology," since Ratzinger blames the Liberation Theology for the increasing loss of believers since its affirmation as theology in the decade of 1960.

"What the just-installed São Paulo archbishop, Odilo Scherer, said a few days ago, that the time of that theology has passed may just be an appetizer of things to come." That's what Baresi believes.

And in this context, the inaugural talk of the CELAM Conference is extremely important for the pope to convey his message. "Friar Galvão's canonization complements the plan: it is the Catholic popular religiosity being used to try to hold the people in exodus."

Still commenting on bishop Odilo, Baresi adds:"He should substantiate his statement. And another thing, what matters is not the Liberation Theology, but the liberation itself, as Gustavo Gutierrez always says. If anyone has something better that contributes to the commitment of liberation in the light of faith, he should propose it".

But Scherer's statement is not the only clue left by the current pope on his way to Latin America. The Vatican's recent warning to the Jesuit aligned to the Liberation Theology, Jon Sobrino, who lives in El Salvador, sounds like a new condemnation by Ratzinger of this Gospel's interpretation key.

Liberation Theology Lives

Brazilian Benedictine monk Marcelo Barros subscribes to the idea that Liberation Theology would only be obsolete if the conditions and motives that originated it didn't exist any longer. "Now, we all know that on the contrary, unjust poverty and social inequality increased a lot, as well as it can be said that the resurgence of indigenous and peasant popular movements is more organized. All over the planet the number of those who are getting organized in order to make a different world possible is also increasing.

"As many of these people are protestants, Christian or from other religions, not only the Liberation Theology remains valid, but it also stopped being just a Latin-American phenomenon to become global."

Barros, who belongs to the  Theological Commission of the Ecumenical Association of the Third World Theologians, says that he has seen a bridge-building movement between Liberation Theology and the Cultural and Religious Pluralism Theology.

"That means that there is today an inter-religious Liberation Theology, which is not only Christian. With a wide literature that didn't exist before and that includes Black Theology, Indigenous Theology, Feminist Theology, Eco-Theology, which have become new branches of Liberation Theology."

The Dominican Friar Betto was also contacted for this story. His adviser told us, however, that he was in Cuba and that he wouldn't be able to answer since he has a hard time using the Internet because of the United States blockade of the island.

This article appeared originally in the magazine Brasil de Fato  - www.brasildefato.com.br.

Comments (140)Add Comment
What I knew about Latin America before I got here
written by Yokel, May 10, 2007
Football, TheAmazon, Rio and Liberation Theology.....it is the only positive expression of religion
Liberation Theology And World Socialism !!
written by u.s. guest, May 11, 2007
The merger of idiots!!!!!!....
Porque o Nome BENTO quando devia Ser BENEDITO?
written by Sao Benedito, May 13, 2007
Papa Bento? O nome dele e benedito. Sao Benedito era de cor. Sera que mudaram o nome pra Bento so pro Papa nao ser negro?
Pape BENEDITO nao Papa Bento.
Why Pope Bento? It should be POPE BENEDITO! Think about it. That's his real name. Benedict. Not Bento. Freaky. smilies/grin.gif
Betty & Georg
written by Luca, Roma, May 14, 2007
The real reason Betty Ratzinger chose Brazil was a along awaited honey moon with his secretary Georg.
http://www.ratzingerbenedettox...georg.jpg
Too late...at least for Brazil
written by GTY, May 14, 2007
The Godless Brazilian have chosen self gratification, crime and pverty over religon. Everything they see or read now is secular. The Catholic Church in particular has been ineffective in Brazil for the last decade, worrying about running their worldwide PR campain to the deflect the damage of pedofile priests. Therefore they have neglected the one region were they mantain their largest level of membership, they problem with Brazil and the rest of South and Latin America is they can not fill the couifers.

I think the same thing is happening in Brazil, that has happened in the US. While the US has not turned seculur, it has turned toward Christianity, over 70% on Americans believe in God. But the growing faiths believe that you do not have pray through a saint or an man (priest or pope) to have a relationship with God, but you can pray and have a relationship directly with God. These are the churches that are feeding the poor, churches were member tithe, taking care of unwed mothers offering another option to abortion and attracting the largest donations, The largest church donators are no longer Catholic, but Christians, both New Hope and Evangelical. The Catholic Churc is literaly bankrupt here, lawsuits from abused children still being heard and settled. While I believe the Catholic Popes, both the current and the last are honorable believers in their faith, I also believe that they are and where just men who enjoy their power but are unable to save their tradition. Mexico City voting to allow abortion, the decedence of Brazil...it's to late, the Catholic Churh is dying and will soon be dead.
It is good to have a new saint, food is a greater good
written by aes, May 14, 2007
It is easier to say a thing than do a thing. I was flabbergasted to learn that Brazil was the largest Catholic population on the world, and yet had the worst crime, poverty, violence. Of what use is this church or the declaration that you are Catholic if you allow the inhumanity. Faith without deeds being death and all. It is in a way a kind of recrudescent wedding cake. Nothing to eat. Form without substance. That is not to say that if Catholics would practice Catholicism Brazil would not change. But it is not practiced. It is only talked about. Where is the justice? In the pockets of the unjust, just offshore.
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written by João PInga, May 14, 2007
Nice post there GTY. Aren’t you the same "Good X-tian" that exploits illegals in the US, flies in the face of four of the 7 heavenly sins, and has openly advocated the genocide of populations in the Middle-East? Sorry silly Sally, you’re morally rudderless to discuss problems anywhere in the world under the “god loving” X-tian banner you have flying, so keep your trap shut.

the Catholic Churh is dying and will soon be dead.


Here´s where I hope your right, now we need to rid this planet of Islam, Christianity, Scientology and the Great Spaghetti Monster (may graded parmaggion cheese be upon her) and then finally we’ll be able to reclaim this planet from nutbars.

You keep up your caustic hateful posts flowing, and keep calling yourself a “Good x-tian” and eventually most will see the hypocrisies of religious institutions for what they are, and just maybe, MAYBE, humanity will start believing again in “itself” instead of some nairy-fairy supernatural being threatening us all with eternal damnation.
Joao
written by GTY, May 14, 2007
Perhaps you are correct, but you are arguing as an atheist , the last thing Brazil needs is anarcey. The Church is dying in Brazil and the new evangelical and protestant movements are benefiting from it. I have been the Brazilian Church Services twice this year here in Florida, one, a Catholic First Communion for a friends child, it was sad, taken place in an old Elks Lodge with a couple of dozen poor Brazilians from Minas and a priest who spoke Spanish. One the other had, the other was a Evangelical Church, packed with Brazilians, speaking in tounges and rolling around and all praying for Green Cards...what fun. At least there were some very nice cars in the parking lot.

Right now the US has to be the Lion, Brazil continues to be the rabbit.

Perhaps I am typical, the exploiter of those that need and want to be expolited, but I attend a Christian mega church here in South Florida, tithe my 10%, which by the way, based on my income is not insignificant. I help out when I can and I provide my children with a soild spirtual base from which they can make up their own minds regarding religion when they get older.

Genocide is a little strong, but back in the days when we could win a war quickly, we didn't hesiate to bomb Dresden, Stuttgart or Tokyo. Now we worry about hitting a Mosque or a hospital, or a village. Now we are going to have to help Brazil clean out the Hezzbolla that have found their way into the Brazilian Triangle. The Middle Eastern World is now controlled by a minority radical group that want to stay in the stoneage and wants to see you and me dead...as well as our children, all this while you worry about football and carnaval...pathetic, they rule by fear and deception, there culture is to lie and everything is slight of hand. Even their own governments shake in fear of them, all because the believe in a religous law that sees you and me dead.. A few small nukes in the right caves might wake people up again, they would do it to us if they could, you too righ after us, I am sure the Mullas would just love to take a stroll down Copacabana. No Joao, my want to be a Gringo friend...it is they, not me who advocates genocide.

And you have been spending to much time with your hippie friends, "humanity believing in itself again", what drivel, you can only survive and thrive by believing in your self, not humanity, there is none left and it's never coming back. Something Brazil gave up a long time ago. There is a saying here "the strong survive, the fast eat the slow" it is the preadetary code and in this world, being at the top of the food chain is the only way to ensure survival.
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written by bienchido99, May 14, 2007
GTY, evangelical christians are a plague on the United States. To hell with your religion!
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
No Joao, my want to be a Gringo friend...it is they, not me who advocates genocide. And you have been spending to much time with your hippie friends,


Gary, dont drag me into your war against Vatican. The post was made by Mr.Pinga and not me.As usual you dont pay any attention to what others say.

btw, how was your hitchhiking trip to CA and back?
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written by João PInga, May 14, 2007
Perhaps you are correct, but you are arguing as an atheist , the last thing Brazil needs is anarcey.


What the HELL is anarcey? You’d think with all “yer good ole x-tian charities”, there would be at least one focused on literacy for aging rabid fools. Actually that whole sentence makes no sense at all. Try again.

But I don’t expect education to be a priority for bible-thumpers, when you wittingly give 10% to an organization that is actually trying to further DUMB down America by introducing fairy tales into biological text books. GTY, you’re the typical angry Christian (angry religious zealot actually). Your book reads love; your pastor preaches peace, and you practice hate and bigotry. If your GAWD does actually exist, it looks like you’re going to be burning in hell for a good long time there Billy-bob; and it only cost you 10% of your earnings for the pleasure. What a deal.

And you have been spending to much time with your hippie friends, "humanity believing in itself again", what drivel, you can only survive and thrive by believing in your self, not humanity.


Hippy? What exactly is a hippy Billy-Bob? If it is someone that has faith in humans and not in fairy tales, then sure, whatever floats your boat. Call me a hippy. But take religion from the equation and you could end terrorism tomorrow. Think about it.

I’d rather believe in my neighbor to help me build a deck or create a better community, then pray to some old imaginary fart in the sky for nirvana. Actually, you Christian folks don’t even really care about this life or those that live here, because it’s the after life where you get your rewards. What are they again? 72 virgins? or is that the other nutbar religion? I dunno, it’s too hard to tell them apart at times.

I prefer folks getting together and getting things done, as opposed to kneeling and looking to the sky asking for some mystical being for help? Who’s the real hippy?

Your justification for war and more bombing is little more than genocide appeasement. Face it. Your government got everything wrong on Iraq, and you still want to “bomb to glass” (I think was your phraseology on one post) other nations in the region? You do know that Good Ole X-tian, Georgy Bush, lied to you and other devoted “live and let live x-tians” about just how bad Iraq was? It’s a good thing that GAWD is helping you out there.

There is a saying here "the strong survive, the fast eat the slow" it is the preadetary code and in this world, being at the top of the food chain is the only way to ensure survival.


What the hell are you on about? Food chain? You eat people? I thought Christians only ate the flesh of Christ? And yes, the “predatory code” is certainly working in your Nation’s favour in Iraq.
To:João.Pinga
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
I prefer folks getting together and getting things done, as opposed to kneeling and looking to the sky asking for some mystical being for help?


Quote of the week,mate.Thanks.
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written by e harmony, May 14, 2007
Too late...at least for Brazil
written by GTY, 2007-05-14 08:42:15
The Godless Brazilian have chosen self gratification, crime and pverty over religon. Everything they see or read now is secular. The Catholic Church in particular has been ineffective in Brazil for the last decade, worrying about running their worldwide PR campain to the deflect the damage of pedofile priests. Therefore they have neglected the one region were they mantain their largest level of membership, they problem with Brazil and the rest of South and Latin America is they can not fill the couifers.


The Catholic Church within the United States and Western Europe provides a lot of money to the Catholic Church in Latin America. But the issue of respect - John Paul II's great esteem for Mexico aside - is multilayered. In my personal opinion one of those layers is and has been racial. Conservative U.S. Catholics in particular feel more connected to Europe than they do to Latin America (whom they perceive as "brown" and uncivilized).


continued...
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written by e harmony, May 14, 2007
Too late...at least for Brazil
written by GTY, 2007-05-14 08:42:15

I think the same thing is happening in Brazil, that has happened in the US. While the US has not turned seculur, it has turned toward Christianity, over 70% on Americans believe in God. But the growing faiths believe that you do not have pray through a saint or an man (priest or pope) to have a relationship with God, but you can pray and have a relationship directly with God. These are the churches that are feeding the poor, churches were member tithe, taking care of unwed mothers offering another option to abortion and attracting the largest donations, The largest church donators are no longer Catholic, but Christians, both New Hope and Evangelical. The Catholic Churc is literaly bankrupt here, lawsuits from abused children still being heard and settled. While I believe the Catholic Popes, both the current and the last are honorable believers in their faith, I also believe that they are and where just men who enjoy their power but are unable to save their tradition. Mexico City voting to allow abortion, the decedence of Brazil...it's to late, the Catholic Churh is dying and will soon be dead.


The largest Christian body in the United States is the Catholic Church, in fact it is growing in the United States due to so many Latinos and especially Mexican immigrants. Having been to a Mexican parish (one where the Mass is said in Spanish not English) I can tell you they are as robust in showing and respect for the Priests (whom most young women kiss on the cheek as they leave) as Black Baptists Churches were several decades ago in the United States. The problem is, many Mexican immigrants give little money to the Church (they are a struggling people economically).

The Catholic Church is growing in Africa and Asia - it is the largest in those regions in terms of a single body - but not as a "group" (e.g. tens of thousands of Protestant groups combined are larger in those regions). Every age has claimed the Catholic Church was going to die out. The communist empire has claimed it would obliterate the Catholic Church from the world. Yet the Catholic Church remains around to see every empire and ideology come and go since here beginning.

I live in a predominate black area, within an a U.S. city, so the "store front" churches abound. These Protestant "non-denomination" (which is an oxymoron on both a historical and theological level) churches are growing fast and you can have one, two, or three on one block and they intake a lot of the disposable pay perhaps from many in the small congregations, but they have nothing of the political power the traditional black Baptist churches had, plus their biblical theology is often immature and they are often led by fairly uneducated peoples (as opposed to Baptist ministers or Catholic Priests. To be a Catholic Priest requires 4 years of college and 5 years of seminary training). However, larger Evangelical churches are growing fast and these "mega-churches" are the fastest growing.

The Catholic Church may die out in Brazil and most or all of Latin America. The issue to why would itself be multilayered again.

I personally feel, regarding religion, the issue to becoming essential to the life of people in Latina America is less to do about "giving a person a fish" than it is to "teaching the person to fish" so to speak, and to utilize an old parable. Plus I think the overall issue of "security" is the most important issue - that being, food, shelter, safety. The Pope issuing an internationally public warning to Latin American drug cartels while in Brazil was in my opinion monumental in socio-politics related to religious authority. It was not so far away from the Pope speak centuries ago of a massive cloud spreading across the Christian West in the form of Islamic Turks and Moors. Like the Islamic Turks and Moors the narcotic cartels are economically wealthy empires. And like the Islamic Turks the narcotic cartels are ruthless killers - I don't doubt Dracula would agree.

Through hospitals and the many, many, universities of higher education the Catholic Church will keep itself a player (however minor) in the future of world affairs - even if the Catholic Church will be very small.

It should be noted, atheism failed to erase corruption, murder, and mayhem from Russia most especially after communism fell. So atheism itself as a belief system, is no proof of civic order and overall security given onto man.
One on one
written by Professor, May 14, 2007
To:João.Pinga
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-14 14:06:15

Juan on Juan, just like a Mexican Basketball game, I like it!
Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!
written by aes, May 14, 2007
I never saw I two year old that did not believe in himself. We are taught not to believe in ourselves. How not to love, how valueless our lives our. GTY the expression for your edification and you are, GOD knows, in such need of it, there are 'two kinds of people in the world the quick and the hungry'. And I thought the U.S. was an Eagle not a lion, lions don't eat rabbits. You are a religious dilitante, a cog, a ten percenter, why not give twenty percent, or all of it, have you ever given everything you own away? You are disciple of Mamon, not Christ. Was the pastor of your New church found whore mongering, pederastery, drug taking? Relisious quackery and you are a duck of the first magnitude. How do you go from Catholicism to Neo theocracy. You are a perfunctory Christian. An apostate. Yeh I liked Dresden, we are obsessed with the guilt of those we have killed. Paralyzed to stupidity. You cannot fight a more 'gentler' war. Draft the motherf**ker's. Do it now. Your three son's should be of age when the draft is reinstated. The Florida Air National Guard is a good way to go. Or 101st Airborne, or maybe Canada. I wonder if you will flee to Brazil with your family when your children's lives are on the line. Time will tell. When push comes to shove, when rhetoric ends, and your flesh and blood must 'join the fray' to protect your boat, your church, your things. For ironically they are the cause of it all. Peace and Love, and nuke em back to the stoneage.
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written by João PInga, May 14, 2007

E-harmony writes:
It should be noted, atheism failed to erase corruption, murder, and mayhem from Russia most especially after communism fell. So atheism itself as a belief system, is no proof of civic order and overall security given onto man.


Atheism is not a “belief” in anything, rather the lack of a belief in a deity. You can measure one’s religious conviction (some fools even give 10% of their wages), you cannot measure “how atheist” someone is. Don’t be a fool. It’s not a belief system. How can you believe NOT to believe in something? It’s redundant.

Regarding the Ruskies, you are joking right? For starters, the USSR (not Russia) forbade religion (you were not forced to be an atheist, you were forbidden to publicly worship a God in an institution) and crime during the old communist regime (I’m not talking about crimes committed by the state) was far less that what it is today under a free democratic, believe in what you wish, nation. Trust me, I’m not defending the former commie regime, nor the current corrupt administration, just correcting your understanding of history in this part of the world.

But more importantly, atheism cannot be forced on individuals like what is often done with religion. Atheism naturally comes from education, it’s not “spread by the sword” nor do we have funded missions into developing nations to “save souls”. Get yourself a good education, and the pieaces usually fall into place.

The nations with the highest levels of education have the lowest levels of violence, crime and of course fewer people believing in Santa Clause. Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada et.al all fall into this camp – there are more. The higher a nation’s religious conviction, the higher the levels of crime and poverty; I don´t know if there is a correlation or not, but at least it’s a good to know that your LORD is looking out for ya´ll.

Actually, as I noted in an earlier post; we are ALL atheists in terms of the Gods (plural) we don’t believe in. I just happen to go ONE God further than most.
Church, there is no end to the argument
written by GTY, May 14, 2007
"The largest Christian body in the United States is the Catholic Church, in fact it is growing in the United States due to so many Latinos and especially Mexican immigrants. Having been to a Mexican parish (one where the Mass is said in Spanish not English) I can tell you they are as robust in showing and respect for the Priests (whom most young women kiss on the cheek as they leave) as Black Baptists Churches were several decades ago in the United States. The problem is, many Mexican immigrants give little money to the Church (they are a struggling people economically)."

OK, maybe the Catholic Church is growing in numbers, but surely not financialy, the largest archdioses have all filed for bankruptcy, because it all came back to the faggot priests that joined the church to bugger little boys, I am sure that is still the case in the hispanic community, Africa or what ever s**thole they now target. They big buck donors are Christians now, they provide the relief organizations with workers and cash not the Catholics. At least in Brazil, there are still plenty of little boy (and men in your cases) to give up their asses.

I'm not a bible thumper either, but I can't believe the number to religon hating zelots that surfaced in this blog. Where did that hate come from, funny, its always the secular left that shows so much hate and disdain for the people who live their lives the way they want to, not the way you want them to. This is very interesting, I like to get on this blog say some s**t to piss everyone off and get a big laugh, then disappear until I get bored and do it again. But you are all serious, man, get lives.

Hey AES, didn't you say you served in the Guard during Vietnam, I served for 10 as a US Army Infantryman, 1st Divison, Big Red One, 3bn 15th Infantry, a Desert Storm 1 Vet, and yes I saw lots of dead Arabs in the desert, didn't bother me one bit, in fact, used to run the track treads right over em to hear them crunch, they were trying to kill us, guess what, we killed them, it was a f**king cake walk, you read about US casulties now, but never the tens of thousands of dead Arabs. We could win this war if they let us, then move on to Iran, Russia, Brazil or where ever else we needed to to protect our people and economy. That's right, I will admit an uninterupted supply of oil is worth going to war for, f**k Michael Moore. I will agree with one thing the war has been waged by morons, we lack real leadership, people willing to make the same decisions made in the past, like nuking cities or bombing factories while civilans where working. Did someone say we had guilt regarding this, bulls**t, we are proud of it. But let the bastards come here again, here, where every other household has a weapon in it..do it again and watch Muslims get dragged out of the cabs they are driving, or the gas stations they are running, and see what happens if it happened here again. Yes, please do bring the war between Christianty and Islam to the streets of the US we are ready. Europe is not, they are out numbered, out gunned. Your women will all be wearing the burka and some one will be slicing off your daughters clit, its in their sick holy book.

My oldest by the way, is a Marine on his second tour, college grad too, my 17 year old is talking about enlistment, my 9 year old is just worried about getting to soccer practice. And you kids, are they junkies yet, perhaps piss there pants when they think about serving there country in any capacity...the MTV culture? Don't lecture me pinhead, you all stay down there safe in your comfortable s**thole and we will continue to do all the dirty work...and you right, the majority of Americans just don't give a s**t about you passport carrying pussys, living meaningless lives, nor the country you all call home now. It's just a place to have some fun and get laid, no one takes it seriously.

Joao...waht the f**k do you mean by hitchhiking from CA??
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written by joão PInga, May 14, 2007
OK, maybe the Catholic Church is growing in numbers, but surely not financialy, the largest archdioses have all filed for bankruptcy, because it all came back to the faggot priests that joined the church to bugger little boys, I am sure that is still the case in the hispanic community, Africa or what ever s**thole they now target. They big buck donors are Christians now, they provide the relief organizations with workers and cash not the Catholics. At least in Brazil, there are still plenty of little boy (and men in your cases) to give up their asses.


Where did that hate come from


You tell us Billy-Bob smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by joão PInga, May 14, 2007
Are you going to tell us what "anarcey" is? smilies/cheesy.gif
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
This is very interesting, I like to get on this blog say some s**t to piss everyone off and get a big laugh, then disappear until I get bored and do it again


Gary O, I also like to see you making an arse of yourself on this blog.

I liked your new nick name,Billy Bob
The catholic church
written by A brazilian, May 14, 2007
I don't think the catholic church will die out any time soon. Catholicism still is the greatest religion of the world (in terms of numbers), and still dominant in Brazil.

What we see in Brazil is a growth of evangelical churches, but, in my opinion, it has to do more with social aspects than with religious "benefits". Those churches often sell pieces of heaven, offer group praying for financial success, "cures" and all kinds of vulgar things. They are very pragmatic, what they want is money, what they promise are tangible things people will see in this life and their strategy is to control people through superstitions. In the mind of some poor individuals this is "better" than the catholic church that promises benefits only in the after life and is closer to what sane human beings would call normal.

Their "churches" look almost like shopping malls and have many businesses, like TV channels and stores. I think they are more connected with todays culture of consumerism.

The evangelical TV channel (Rede Record) passes some very funny programs like "sessão do descarrego", something like "discharge session", because they teach their followers that "evil spirits" are sent by their "enemies" (enemies not in an epic manner, but in very small and ridiculous things, like the ex-wife of your boyfriend). So it's common to hear from them that someone made a "trabalho" (it is "work" literally, but it means "to cast a spell" or "summon devils") and that is the cause of all their problems. So in this TV show they receive phone calls from their followers and guess what... all explanations are because some "evil spirit".
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
Billy-Bob,

My answer to your temper tantrum is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nmwpR5_49uk&mode=related&search=
GTY
written by aes, May 14, 2007
You are becoming Alzheimeresque. I joined the guard in '63 before nam, before the draft. I joined because it was a requirement of citizenship. I told you I have to sons in the Navy, one a submariner and the other in Helos. I congratulate you on the service of your son. I agree we are fighting stupid, I have no tolerance for stupidity. If you have the weapons use them. Their f**king around with Pakistan. They better hurry because if that regime is overthrown the f**ks own the nukes. http://profile.myspace.com/ind...d=85954642
AES
written by GTY, May 14, 2007
Sorry AES, old age I guess, you should be proud of your sons and service. Now I'm a Mexican American called Billy Bob, my friends should get a kick out of that. By the way, I also agree with the Brazilian, not so much about the Catholic church, but about the Evangelicals in Brazil. I have seen the churches in some of the poorest Barrios where I have some clients with offices, they really are expoliting the poor in the name of God. It's similar to the Evangilical movement in the South during the 1800's, and later in the 90's, but most people here are smart enough to see a false prophet when he is in front of them Brazilians on the other hand are so hopeless with their lives they grasp at anything, including evil. It's similar to Lula's election, so many promises for so many years and they finally elect a Leftist to try something new, anything new, because it can't be worse. Same with the Catholic Church, who would have ever thought only 150,000 would show up in Brazili to see the Pope...amazing.

There are some on the blog that try and shame people of faith, I won't do that. But I will speak out when people justify violence in the name of there religion. The Evangelicals and Protestants in Brazil are not yet teaching their children how to fire AK47's and strap bombs on themselves. Christians are not beheading Muslims. There is a day of reckoning right around the corner, you can call it what you will, Christians believe its is the end of days, others just read about it and hope "we can all get along", Got some news, its not going to happen, the dike has broke and we need to be ready to not only defend ourselves, but be as brutal as they are, some turn their heads, but you can bet it's coming. It's what your sons are training for, to and standing to prevent, God bless then and hopefully they can serve under better leadership in the future. Where have all the great ones gone? We are now left with Bush, Guliani, Clinton and Obama, that's friggen scary.
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written by e harmony, May 14, 2007
written by João PInga, 2007-05-14 15:53:13

E-harmony writes:

It should be noted, atheism failed to erase corruption, murder, and mayhem from Russia most especially after communism fell. So atheism itself as a belief system, is no proof of civic order and overall security given onto man.



Atheism is not a “belief” in anything, rather the lack of a belief in a deity. You can measure one’s religious conviction (some fools even give 10% of their wages), you cannot measure “how atheist” someone is. Don’t be a fool. It’s not a belief system. How can you believe NOT to believe in something? It’s redundant.


@ bold: you realize you just contradicted yourself in the very first sentence of your post?

Atheism is predicated upon a belief. But I will grant you perhaps I should not have referred to it as a belief system.


Regarding the Ruskies, you are joking right? For starters, the USSR (not Russia) forbade religion (you were not forced to be an atheist, you were forbidden to publicly worship a God in an institution) and crime during the old communist regime (I’m not talking about crimes committed by the state) was far less that what it is today under a free democratic, believe in what you wish, nation. Trust me, I’m not defending the former commie regime, nor the current corrupt administration, just correcting your understanding of history in this part of the world.


Post communist Russia was very atheist. The Russian Orthodox Church has been feuding for more than a decade with the Catholic Church of the West with doing missionary work in Russia with regards to her large atheist population. This is one of the reasons the Russian Patriarch did not want Pope John Paul II to visit Russia. Though John Paul II was invited by President Putin he humbly declined and said he would not step foot into Russia until invited by her Patriarch.


But more importantly, atheism cannot be forced on individuals like what is often done with religion. Atheism naturally comes from education, it’s not “spread by the sword” nor do we have funded missions into developing nations to “save souls”. Get yourself a good education, and the pieaces usually fall into place.


I'm currently finishing up a 5 credit biology class at a secular community college within the United States. There has not been one mention of God - though there has been of Gregor Mendel - and from looking through a microscope at mold on bread to learning about the ice on top of water insulating and protecting aquatic life (rather than freezing over completely) during winter to a human body that is a million times superior to computers (computers can't box, they don't create keratin waterproof skin, and they can't sexually or non-sexually reproduce themselves)... my belief in God went up not down.


The nations with the highest levels of education have the lowest levels of violence, crime and of course fewer people believing in Santa Clause. Sweden, Norway, Finland, Canada et.al all fall into this camp – there are more. The higher a nation’s religious conviction, the higher the levels of crime and poverty; I don´t know if there is a correlation or not, but at least it’s a good to know that your LORD is looking out for ya´ll.


As noted earlier, post communist Russia has a very large population of atheists. Moscow, Russia and Helsinki, Finland had the highest homicide rates of European nation during the late 1990's (source: www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html)

As for Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Canada how large are the populations of these nations? China has better primary level education for her urban children (not rural) than the USA does but that does not stop the Chinese from harvesting human organs from people put into prisons. At the time of WWII, Germany not only had a great military, but it was one of if not the most educated nations on earth, not only that but many of those in the upper echlons of the Nazi party were educated artists. Please, given the fact that the educated have ruled to world for quite a long time, spare me the lie "education = morality." In the 19th century scientist were convinced white Northern Europeans were superior to all others. In fact a British scientist made a tobacco pouch out of the last Tazmanian (sp?) man. Educated people the world over use their "education" to manipulate others and secure their own personal fortunes. There is not one plumber working in President Bushe's cabinet - they all have college degrees. The educated rule just about every nation on earth - I would not hold my breath in the educated bringing paradise onto earth any time soon.
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
Now I'm a Mexican American called Billy Bob, my friends should get a kick out of that


Billy-Bob is a cute name for you,Gary O.I know how hard to be a Mexican American in Southern Florida, waiting for your home to be invaded by the wimpy Cubans.I am sure that with your nuclear arsenol, you would be able to thwart their attmpts. After all, you are the real Rambo who fought in the Gulf War 1, killing all the the towel heads. A pity that you didnt volunteer for the sequel.

Where have all the great ones gone? We are now left with Bush, Guliani, Clinton and Obama, that's friggen scary.


The great ones are 6 feet underground and I agree that it is quite scary. May be you should run for the Presidency in 2008. I am sure you will win with a thumping majority.Billy-Bob for the next President of U.S.of A. It is an interesting prospect.

Are you going to tell us what "anarcey" is?


Billy-Bob, I am still waiting for your answer to this question. What exactly is ANARCEY?. Remember I am a wannabe Gringo from Southern Brazil, uneducated,poor and ride the mule for work in the morning.
Joao
written by GTY, May 14, 2007
I really enjoy your tongue in check humor, but your racism seems to boil out of you on every occasion possible. Now you can clear it all up for your Gringo gone Brazilian friends, does the fact that I am American born, to a Mexican mother and German father make you...a better person. How about a black Brazilian, does the color of their skin make them any less a person than you. Or perhaps your the typical mixed light skinned Brazilian who scorns people of different color at every possible occasion.

We have a name for folks like you up here...it's Billy Bob, so lets turn the table and call a spade a spade (I'll bet you like that), it's the perfect Gringo name for you...Billy Bob da Silva, hahahahahahaha! I love it.

E- Harmony, I tithe 10% and give even more when I can and I have been blessed with more than any one man could ever deserve. You say your finishing your biology degree in some s**thole community college (what happened to you that you had to attend a community college, too much crack?), you say examining living things has given you more faith in God, then you need to better understand who God really is and what he did for your, if you understand that completly, then you might think that 10% or "first fruits" as stated in the good Book, is really not that much. Good luck in earning your AA degree, Home Depot should hire you, if night the night Manager Position at Walmart should pay you 30 grand.
GTY-Billy-Bob aka "Captain Crunch"
written by Professor, May 14, 2007
Hey AES, didn't you say you served in the Guard during Vietnam, I served for 10 as a US Army Infantryman, 1st Divison, Big Red One, 3bn 15th Infantry, a Desert Storm 1 Vet, and yes I saw lots of dead Arabs in the desert, didn't bother me one bit, in fact, used to run the track treads right over em to hear them crunch, they were trying to kill us, guess what, we killed them, it was a f**king cake walk, you read about US casulties now, but never the tens of thousands of dead Arabs.

Congratulation that paragraph was one long Fu*king sentence!

used to run the track treads right over em to hear them crunch

Now this is noteworthy "they go crunch" I wonder what kind of dreams you have?
Do you eat Arabic Crunch, instead of frosted flakes? or is it Captain Crunch for your breakfast?
There is a twang of the Appalachians in your writing BTW, so Billy-Bob does seems appropriate, however I think you should be called Captain Crunch, consider this a promotion Pvt.!
João da Silva
written by Professor, May 14, 2007
Remember I am a wannabe Gringo from Southern Brazil, uneducated,poor and ride the mule for work in the morning.

Better to keep your ASS out of they street, you might get run-over.
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written by Professor, May 14, 2007
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
I really enjoy your tongue in check humor, but your racism seems to boil out of you on every occasion possible.


Gary O, it is NOT "Tongue in Check humor".It is "Tongue in CHEEK humour".No wonder John Pinga is waiting for you to explain to us what exactly you meant by "anarcey".I understood your miss spelling,but he being a Cape Towner couldnt (or pretended that he didnt)

As for my racism,you are right.It oozes out of my pores.As a matter of fact, your dad being a German should have taught you how to be a racist,but there again, you are a slow learner and probably dont like him.

btw,are you giving prim and proper maintanance to your Space Shuttle?
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
however I think you should be called Captain Crunch, consider this a promotion Pvt.!


You cant promote a Pvt Zero to a Captain, outright.You may call him Corporal.Crunch (a.k,a. Billy-Bob)
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 14, 2007
Better to keep your ASS out of they street, you might get run-over.


Thanks for your concern. My Ass is trained to gallop on the side walk.No worries,mate.
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written by A brazilian, May 14, 2007
but most people here are smart enough to see a false prophet when he is in front of them Brazilians on the other hand are so hopeless with their lives they grasp at anything, including evil.


I remember I saw something on the news about a sect in the US whose leader claimed to be Jesus reincarnated, and ended up putting the house their were staying on fire with everyone inside. There was another one that believed that the comet (?) would take them away, and convinced everyone to comit suicide.

I am suspicious of any group, religious or not, that promotes an identity or a belief system that inevitably will lead to an identity. It works similarly to what the crazies from Al Qaeda do, how can they brainwash some young person to the point he wishes to blow himself up? If you see history you will find lots of cases like that, of sects, Nazis, fake prophets, black americans (hehe), football fans.

Those groups try to replace the role of the family of the individual, he ends up having some kind of bond with them. And then with a bunch of brainwashed people together they gain the courage to do things they wouldn't if they were alone. In Brazil there are some groups that go to football games and then they beat each other up after the match or vandalize the city, they usually are small to medium groups with one leader that incites the violence but doesn't participate in it.

It's for that reason that I think it's a good thing to have laws outlawing things like racism. One Nazi is harmless, hundreds of nazis is trouble. The same applies for black groups, unfortunately Luladrão and his gang are letting black racism to run rampant, because we are all equals before the law, but some are more equal than others.
Mr. João da Silva, w/o pinga
written by Professor, May 14, 2007
You cant promote a Pvt Zero to a Captain, outright.You may call him Corporal.Crunch (a.k,a. Billy-Bob)

Roger that, I was trying to build up his self esteem, I exceeded my authority. Corporal Crunch it is, when Admiral Forrest returns from his Peruvian frog hunting expedition in the Andes, then we can get a final decision as to his worthiness as an officer.
Nice to hear that your ASS can Gallop on the sidewalk, I bet he puffs on the way back! (Referring to the other thread; Post: "How do I know my youth has been spent?")
Over.
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written by e harmony, May 14, 2007
written by GTY, 2007-05-14 21:07:23
E- Harmony, I tithe 10% and give even more when I can and I have been blessed with more than any one man could ever deserve.


I don't think I ever made any comment about how much you tithe.


You say your finishing your biology degree in some s**thole community college (what happened to you that you had to attend a community college, too much crack?)...


I said I was finishing up a five credit biology class. The semester is almost up (will be this week), I said nothing about working on a degree in biology. You do realize, your crack about community colleges rings rather ironic given the mistake you made in your reading comprehension. And for the record, community colleges help people differentiate between your and you're.


you say examining living things has given you more faith in God, then you need to better understand who God really is and what he did for your, if you understand that completly, then you might think that 10% or "first fruits" as stated in the good Book, is really not that much. Good luck in earning your AA degree, Home Depot should hire you, if night the night Manager Position at Walmart should pay you 30 grand.


Does your Christian charity include that "well wishing" you gave me? I think you might be mistaking me with someone else with this "tithe" issue because I don't care what people do with their money. I have no problem with people giving money to their church, mosque, temple, club, girlfriend, or to some stranger down on his or her luck.
e harmony
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
I think you might be mistaking me with someone else with this "tithe" issue because I don't care what people do with their money.

You missed Corporal Crunches overt intention as to say he has money to give, because he has money, in fact he gives 10 percent and above, owns a (Cuban) Yacht, frequents various Islands for business purposes paying with his Corporate credit card. He eats Stone Crab (stoned crabs) in excess, at $8.00 a claw without financial worry. He pulls his (Cuban) Yacht with a Hummer. His wife is imported, he hires illegal aliens to clean his pool, mow his yard, clip his Petunias, etc.

e harmony apparently you have not seen his prior post! So let me lay it out for you just say to him, Gee Wow Corp. Crunch if I had your money I would burn mine!
Bow three times to the East ,West, South, North and say to GOD, GOD why did you make me so poor and why do you make me go this College of poverty.
And Life is Good
written by GTY, May 15, 2007
Your correct Professor! 100% right on. By the way, you never did tell us what you are a professor of? Did you know that the title is one of respect, why did you pull that name out of your ass. Actually...I like Captain Crunch, but Seargent Crunch would be more accurate. You didn't say were and when you served, we would be interested to know...Canada? You and Gilligan (Joao) and the Skipper (Forest) always send me off into Miami traffic with a giant laugh. Stuck in Brazil for God only knows what reason to live a life of obscurity, how romantic. Never said I had a yacht, can't afford one, but do have the tricked out Contender, from which I fished a Billfish Tourney in Jupiter last week. My wife was born in Brazil, but I met her here, she is now an American citizen who has lived here for over 20 years, still has a great body though, so do her friends that hang around my pool every weekend...God I'm blessed. You are imported one Professor Impotado and I am sure your married to some teenaged Indian women who couldn't find a Brazilian to marry, so went for the first Gringo willing. I am a little bummed today, Stone Crab season ended, guess I'll just have to move to lobsters.

I hire and fire illegal aliens with impunity, they have no business being here, so I have no guilt in using them as cheap labor. I am here, you are there, why? IRS have your number, police have a pedophile charge for you, I know there is no extradition. I am always suspicous of Gringos who decide the live in Brazil, some have legitamate reasons like Bo, but I believe most are there because you can hire a 10 year old to keep you company.

OH, I'm sure if you burnt ALL your money, it would be a very small fire indeed. Dollar Skols, subsidized beans and rice, low rent in some s**thole barrio...you Professor or whatever you are, probably more like Freeloader, are really living large. s**t, it's already 7:30 and I have to fill up the Beamer, wife is driving the Hummer today, she looks sssooo hot in it...if it wasn't for the women, what would Brazil be good for?

E-Harmony, nothing wrong with a community college, it will look great on your resume while you look for the landscaping job.
E Harmony
written by João PInga, May 15, 2007
@ bold: you realize you just contradicted yourself in the very first sentence of your post?


Show me where the contradiction is. I doubt you would ever ponder the existence of the Easter bunny, Thor or Ganesh, does that mean your dismissal of them as religious icons is a belief?

Post communist Russia was very atheist.


I’ve already addressed this. You cannot force Atheism on populations (educated or not); they’ll find what ever little fairly-tales to worship regardless of how oppressive the State can be if that is their longing. So many under Stalin would have called themselves atheists, to save them from the whims of a madman, but it does not mean that they didn’t worship a lord in the closet.

Regardless, POST Soviet Russia is not very atheist at all. Over 80% of the population now self-identity with the Russian Orthodox Church and although a good portion of those don’t attend regular religious love-fests (kneel, sing, kneel, sing), only 4% consider themselves atheists. 4% is a far cry from say Denmark’s 70% and Sweden’s 60%. Don’t you think? Actually, after reading the rest of your post it should be obvious to all: you don’t think.

I'm currently finishing up a 5 credit biology class at a secular community college within the United States.


I’m sorry Mr. Dawkins, or should I refer to you as Stephen Hawkings? Eddy O Wilson maybe? I didn’t know your educational curriculum for biology was so impressive. A 5 credit course in college biology you say? Sorry, my bad.

However, we’re not talking about inmate college courses or even real universities. The Christian right has been even more insidious in their attempts at infiltrating the teachings of biology by targeting it at the high-school level: a more impressionable level for students, and more controllable through the board. Or maybe you missed the whole Intelligent Design court challenges that raged through various “middle America” --cough cough -- school districts?

As noted earlier, post communist Russia has a very large population of atheists. Moscow, Russia and Helsinki, Finland had the highest homicide rates of European nation during the late 1990's (source: www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html)


Highest rates of homicide for any “European Nation”? You’re joking right? So, if I get a C in biology with a bell curve grading system at Harvard that makes me a moron?

Move along halfwit.

As for Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Canada how large are the populations of these nations?


What does this have to do with anything? You didn’t finish your thought (que supresa, né Einstein?). However, I’ll play along, they have the same populations as say Somalia, Nicaragua, Sierra Leone and Uganda, respectively. E dei?

China has better primary level education for her urban children (not rural) than the USA does but that does not stop the Chinese from harvesting human organs from people put into prisons.


What are you on about? Do you have any idea at all how to follow a line of thought? Organ harvesting? Are you for real?

Please, given the fact that the educated have ruled to world for quite a long time, spare me the lie "education = morality."


My my, your community college education is shinning brightly through. I said nothing about Education and morality. Nothing at all. Unless, you wittingly substituted “morality” for “religion” as so many zealots often do. And I mockingly question your assertion that the “educated have ruled the world for a very long time”. That actually, cracked me up. That’s my third laugh reading your post, thanks for the entertainment.

Back to the point: I drew no direct correlations other than that the better the level of education in a nation, the more atheists are found (easy peasy, verifibale and indisp**able), and I then went on to reflect, more interestingly enough, about how these same nations have less crime and violence. I drew no conclusions, I asked “YA, LL” to do that. At that point I laughed and jested “your GOD doesn’t seem to pay too much attention to his most devout”.

If you’d like I could scribble all that out for you in crayon if you think it would help?

There is not one plumber working in President Bushe's cabinet - they all have college degrees.


Most of Dubya’s cabinet are X-tians, like Good Ole Billy-Bob here. Nice God you folkies have.
Corp. Crunch aka. Billy-Bob GTY
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
You and Gilligan (Joao) and the Skipper (Forest) always send me off into Miami traffic with a giant laugh.


Are you insinuating that we are contributing to your homicidal tendencies:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/...index.html
Miami is the epicenter of road rage in the U.S.

It also seems that your that your brother in Debauchery (Miami Home-boy) is expanding his Corp. Empire.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/new...etail.html
San Diego's 666

Nothing like Living Large in Miami.
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written by aes, May 15, 2007
Ah theism, deism, atheism, agnosticism, rationalism. There is no word 'yawey' is not a word. It is an anogram like NASA. It stands for Yod Hay Vov Hay. I am that I am. It is an enigma. It is if there was a word it would be the phenomenon of AWE. As scientific, rational, intellectuals, masters of the universe we have ceased to see, to be, to be in awe. Be in awe of the pictures of the Hubble, be in awe of the birth of a child. There is no thought you can have no thing you can make that is equal to the wonder that exists. Did you create existence through your intellection, through your thinking, through speech, through your constructions? There is a difference between thinking and being. Music, art is not about thinking it is about being. Love, acts of love are about being not thinking. It is not so much that Religion is the opiate of the people, but science and rationality is the opiate of the people. In Zen it is the stopping of the mind, that leads to the awakening of ultimate consciousness. Man is born conscious, he is forced, coerced into sublimating his natural self for what ever intellectual or parental morass he has come through to. We have made science and rationality our saviors, we fear life, because we fear non existence. We did not nor do we cause our existence. The universe is was and always will be, time is infiite, if only you were capable of stopping your mind. We are no longer in AWE we are blinded by thought. We no longer live, but dream, in a sea of thought, thinking, conclusions. We wake from this dream at our deaths, and then with regret rue that we have not lived. Death is the end of thought and the return to the Infinite, the cause of us all.
'There are no atheists in a foxhole'. Be in Awe, be very in Awe.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/new...ail.html
San Diego's 666


No wonder Corp.Crunch a.k.a Billy Bob commutes so much between Miami and San Diego.

Thanks for the info.No further promotion to him.
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written by aes, May 15, 2007


faith made manifest, atheism is an intellectual sophistry
AES
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
Be in Awe, be very in Awe.

Well spoken.
Always love seeing the battle between Christian and Christian, Christian and Atheist, Atheist and Athiest, Science and Creationism, etc. vs. etc.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, "I am" looks on, tending his word, cultivating the seeds, fertilizing the ground and harvesting.
The I am (Humanity) is incapable of seeing the "I am" (creator), for the I am, to see the "I am" he must die.

As Illustrated in this explanation:

(John 3) 1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." 3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again!' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked. 10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? 11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man [that is, the Messiah]. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Liberation Theology marches to its grave...
written by u.s. guest, May 15, 2007
The cancer of Marxism seeks out the religious movement of S.A.evangelical,s ,...When they strip the clothes off of these false prophets, ..you will find common criminals....
To:AES
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
Your comment on Al Jazeera and Bandeirantes is very thought provoking.No wonder you were well received by the Thais,Sri Lankans and other nationalities.I liked,though I couldnt make out if you are talking about the border fence between U.S and Mexico.
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written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
Hi Billy-Bob

Never said I had a yacht, can't afford one, but do have the tricked out Contender, from which I fished a Billfish Tourney in Jupiter last week


If you dont contribute the 10% of your wages to your church, probably you can aim to buy an yatch.Always thought you had an Yatch. Is U.S.S Contender a rusting Nuclear Sub you bought from the Ruskies? What kind of a vessel is it? Regardless,I hope you are maintaining it well. I certainly wouldnt like to see you getting drowned while smuggling the Haitians into FL. or meet the same fate of Gilligan. I hope the day was good and you did lots of Chemical trading with your suppliers in the Golden Triangle.
Corp. Crunch
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
I fished a Billfish Tourney in Jupiter last week

Having a Billyfish Tourney in Uranus this week?

Variety is the spice of life!
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written by e harmony, May 15, 2007
E Harmony
written by João PInga, 2007-05-15 09:06:10

@ bold: you realize you just contradicted yourself in the very first sentence of your post?



Show me where the contradiction is. I doubt you would ever ponder the existence of the Easter bunny, Thor or Ganesh, does that mean your dismissal of them as religious icons is a belief?



You stated: "Atheism is not a “belief” in anything, rather the lack of a belief in a deity." The lack of a belief in a deity is a belief held within itself. Atheism does not assert it has no opinion if God is factual or not it assert (per belief) that God does not exist.

I’m sorry Mr. Dawkins, or should I refer to you as Stephen Hawkings? Eddy O Wilson maybe? I didn’t know your educational curriculum for biology was so impressive. A 5 credit course in college biology you say? Sorry, my bad.


And all that rambling of implied insult is to say what? [rolls eyes] If you are going to lean on intellectualism and or science as the foundation for why you (or anyone else for that matter) are certain God does not exist then it would be wise to argue in the manner of an educated and objective individual rather than arguing like a child, angered, and putting forth emotionally charged responses.


However, we’re not talking about inmate college courses or even real universities. The Christian right has been even more insidious in their attempts at infiltrating the teachings of biology by targeting it at the high-school level: a more impressionable level for students, and more controllable through the board. Or maybe you missed the whole Intelligent Design court challenges that raged through various “middle America” --cough cough -- school districts?


I went to Catholic high school in the Midwest and we were taught the theory of evolution - nada on Intelligent Design. The person who came up with the Big Bang theory was a Catholic Priest just as Gregor Mendel (the "father of genetics") was a Catholic monk. So Christians have not been absent in shaping our thoughts in modern science. I personally believe in evolution, yet to be 100% objective I must recognize and admit it is in the scientific community what they term a theory and not a law. Yes, scientific theory is not like a philosophic theory, a theory in science is above an hypothesis and requires the rigor of critique by peers. Perhaps one day, given greater technological tools, evolution can be proven and raised up to a law. Perhaps not. Science in any age is only as good as its tools within that time period. This is what makes monks like Gregor Mendel so fascinating, for with out the advantage of a tool like the electron microscope we have today, he understood or envision dimly "genetics."

Human intelligence has nothing to do with whether someone is Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist, Agnostic, or practices one of the "Afro-Brazilian" religions. Of course I will cede that religious conviction can blind even very intellectually gifted men and women from seeing certain scientific concepts with clarity and through objective lenses.

Pope John Paul II was a man gifted with great intellect. He loved science and I believe he spoke something like 13 different languages. Even this current Pope, whom I'm not always sure about, is I can objectively admit, a very intelligent man. I'm not sure what his IQ is, but I would not be surprised if it was very high.
Joao Pinga: With tongue in check, 'nolo contendere'.
written by aes, May 15, 2007
If there is no time, that is the division of Eternity, means minutes , hours, days, millenia, are but antropomorphic projections on an essentially static state universe, and by consequence there is no evolution as there is no movement. It is a kind of light show, strobiscopic phenomenology. Everything is happening, has happened already, not happening, happened. We are just blinking moments of consciousness seeing snippets in this most intelligent of designs, but that is presumption. For if it is not intelligent, which you may substitute the anathematic word God, then it is unintelligent. And if it were unintelligent, or non intelligent, how would you know. So let us assume that the universe, that which is and will be as well as what was, is a manifestation of intelligent design: and the parcing of it into speciation, or process is for a fish to conceive of an existence in New York City, or the reading of a book. Your mockery is a sham of a sham of a mockery of a sham, and if you go to any community college and achieve high marks, especially in courses like chemestry, biology, physics, English, calculus, all undergraduate lower division courses, then any university ie Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA will welcome you with open arms; as most undergraduates are idiots with the intellectual where with all of small mamalia. The drop out and failure rate at American institutions of higher learning is of such staggering numbers, the students being so ill prepared, that it is recommended that one get one's intellectual and academic feet wet at a community college and learn how to learn, before attempting to learn. It is so easy to be arrogant when one is obviously Phi Beta Kappa having graduated Summa Magna Cum Laude,from Harvard, but even the friends I have who have, pale, in your beratement of e harmony and her community college. You get out of a Universtity what you put in. And as for the Jesuits, 'God bless them'. I think they established 42 Universities in the U.S. including Georgetown in D.C.. And while were at it 'God Bless Tiny Tim'.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
in Uranus this week?


Do I know this guy? I dont think so. He must be a business partner of Pvt.Crunch (demoted to his original rank)
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written by e harmony, May 15, 2007
e harmony
written by Professor, 2007-05-15 00:16:01

I think you might be mistaking me with someone else with this "tithe" issue because I don't care what people do with their money.


You missed Corporal Crunches overt intention as to say he has money to give, because he has money, in fact he gives 10 percent and above, owns a (Cuban) Yacht, frequents various Islands for business purposes paying with his Corporate credit card. He eats Stone Crab (stoned crabs) in excess, at $8.00 a claw without financial worry. He pulls his (Cuban) Yacht with a Hummer. His wife is imported, he hires illegal aliens to clean his pool, mow his yard, clip his Petunias, etc.

e harmony apparently you have not seen his prior post! So let me lay it out for you just say to him, Gee Wow Corp. Crunch if I had your money I would burn mine!
Bow three times to the East ,West, South, North and say to GOD, GOD why did you make me so poor and why do you make me go this College of poverty.


I hear what you're saying Professor. I was only pointing out to him that I never made any negative comments about him giving money. Personally I'm not so sure GTY has all that kind of money he talks about - but then again maybe he does. But whatever...
To:E Harmony
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
I hear what you're saying Professor. I was only pointing out to him that I never made any negative comments about him giving money. Personally I'm not so sure GTY has all that kind of money he talks about - but then again maybe he does. But whatever...


If I were you, I wouldnt worry about our Rambo Pvt.Crunch. He is a great kid. But just think about having a brother-in-law living off your back. GTY has one and he shows his bitterness towards others.His reaction is very normal.The best thing about him is that he acknowledges that he is an obnoxious person.I am a sort of grandpa figure to him and I understand him well.So quit worrying.

I hope he made it back to his house in that dreadful traffic in Miami.
João
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
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written by João da Silva, 2007-05-15 20:48:59

in Uranus this week?

Do I know this guy? I dont think so. He must be a business partner of Pvt.Crunch (demoted to his original rank)

You might recognize him if you see him John. (see #3 on the list)

Uranus could be a number of things to a number of people such as:

1. It is the seventh planet from the Sun.
2. In Greek mythology Uranus is personified as the son and husband of Gaia, Mother Earth.
3. It is the southbound end of a northbound mule.
4. The Uranus bar in Miami http://www.uranusbar.com/
5. It is the southbound end of a northbound Corp. Crunch.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
Thanks for the explanation #3 & #5.

I really thought you were calling Crunch " UR AN ANUS",in your Queen´s English and I am relieved that you didnt mean to offend that wretched fellow.
João
written by Professor, May 15, 2007
Tosmilies/tongue.gifrof
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-15 21:54:39

Thanks for the explanation #3 & #5.

I really thought you were calling Crunch " UR AN ANUS",in your Queen´s English and I am relieved that you didnt mean to offend that wretched fellow.

Close John but no banana! It is YOUR (possessive) anus, but your version could be an option considering a different application.
I see you demoted Corp. Crunch to Pvt. Crunch you are not the forgiving Grandfather type I assumed you to be.
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007
Close John but no banana! It is YOUR (possessive) anus, but your version could be an option considering a different application.


What difference does it make to Crunch. His grammar and spelling are not up to the standards of Eton or Harrow.

I see you demoted Corp. Crunch to Pvt. Crunch you are not the forgiving Grandfather type I assumed you to be.


Never forgive.I am trying to turn a bebezão like him into a real fighting machine and deploy him in the Redlight zone in Kabul,so that his Mom-in-Law would be proud of him and also bring honor to his Grandpa.(and I hope he doesnt any social deseases while on deployment)
To:Prof
written by João da Silva, May 15, 2007