Brazzil

Readers may be interested in knowing that the author(s) of the U.S. mega-bestseller Freakonomics claim that the precipitous drop in the NYC crime rate can be tied back to 18 or so years since abortion
was legalized. I have no idea whether this theory has any relevance to the situation in Sao Paulo.

This theory has been pretty effectively debunked in the United States. See Zimring's book in the references to our article for details. It has no relevance to Brazil since abortion was not legalized 18 years before the drop in homicides.

"These attacks are intended to generate media coverage, embarrass officials and intimidate law enforcement." BS

(more) "These police measures have substantially lowered homicide and some other violent crime rates, and have made life much safer for the average citizen or visitor to São Paulo." BS

(&more) "The fact that São Paulo did so much better than Rio and other cities suggests that policy measures implemented on the state level were responsible." BS

(terrible aim?) "* Most are killed with firearms; the average number of bullet wounds per victim is 6.9."

(low rate for women previously noted - this addresses big cause of reduction in homicide? - stay on target Ted) "A specialized unit was organized to provide supportive assistance to women who were victims of sexual crimes."

Doctor Goertzel, I'm happy to hear about these improvements in the state of Sao Paulo, I would like to see as good or better improvements throughout the whole of Brazil, most especially in the state of Rio de Janeiro.

However, doesn't the city of Sao Paulo have a homicide rate much higher than 15 per 100,000 residents? Isn't the city of Sao Paulo's homicide rate roughly that of Detroit's give or take a little less or more? The other question is, does any homicide stats in Brazil differentiate between Sao Paulo city proper and Sao Paulo metropolitan (what in the U.S. use to constitute just a county)?

Statistics are helpful yet they can be gathered in such a way that can give some what of a deceptive picture. In the United States homicide rate for cities - such as Detroit - are generally done just on the city proper and not the county as a whole (at least the statistics on homicide rates released to the public per the news annually. Generally the source being the Federal Bureau of Investigation). This is a more accurate picture in my opinion than lumping all cities in the county together. However, the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) seems to have taken to compiling its statistics on violent crime and homicide rates per metropolitans by utilizing the contemporary vernacular for "metropolitan" that started a couple or few decades ago: that being extending the territory of "metropolitan" beyond the geographical lines of county and including separate and growing nearby counties to which "white flight" and wealth has steadily fled to over several decades. In my opinion stats like these by the FBI are the most horrendous in projecting accuracy of what is going on on the ground level. They consequently project a very low homicide rate, but to those that are unaware and have little or no comprehension of the fallacious nature of these so called "metropolitans," they can not discern the misleading nature of these stats. Simply being, these "metropolitans" (in current vernacular) are metropolitans in money and political ties of power only and absolutely absent of any "community" connection by the "average joe." Essentially you have two, or three "worlds" thrown together into a single stat as though they were the same "world" when in reality they differ to a degree of night and day.

In my humble opinion, both the United States and Brazil, would produce stats that are reflective of more accurate truth or reality, if they stuck more with city propers and more especially if both nations (or local governments within the two nations) began to produce stats on the micro level of individual neighborhoods. Because even neighborhoods can differ greatly in homicides and violent crime. Because in truth, at least I know it is so in my city, a city does not share its burden of violence and danger equally. There are areas of my town that almost seem like an entirely different country then from my neighborhood.

The cities of Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, and Salvador have lots of "morenos" and or mulattoes and black peoples. If these cities can reduce there homicide rates to that of some of the lesser violent cities of Western Europe, then those three cities will become even more inspiring to dark skin peoples like myself. They'll be considered through out the world as the "civilized dark meccas of the world." That's better than hosting the f*ckin olympics.

The pill and how we learned to f**k with impunity , kill fetuses with indifference, infect with herepes, cirvical cancer, amd emd the family,

Oh baby let me f**k you pure with as one to one, blah blah blah. There was a time when the man took the responsibility . But then the pill and boy we f**ked ourselves into disease, into irresponsibility (hell it aint my fault she said she was on the pill), we made pendejos of men. We created a globalized irresponsibile hedoniism.

When you make women responsible for society they dont have a clue as to when they are fertile, or whether they took the pill or not. It is their nature to go into a state of irrational disconection. f**k me f**k me, oh baby f**k me, yes yes yes, of course I took the pill, and I dont have aids, and f**k me f**k me f**k me, oh baby I love you, oh baby, oh baby, oh f**k.

In the Mafia Commission Trial (February 25, 1985–November 19, 1986), Giuliani indicted eleven organized crime figures, including the heads of New York's so-called "Five Families", under the RICO Act on charges including extortion, labor racketeering, and murder for hire. Time magazine called this "Case of Cases" possibly "the most significant assault on the infrastructure of organized crime since the high command of the Chicago Mafia was swept away in 1943", and quoted Giuliani's stated intention: "Our approach...is to wipe out the five families."[24]

Abortion my ass. It had to do with Giuliani's effective and unrelenting procsecuting of the LAW.

The cities of Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, and Salvador have lots of "morenos" and or mulattoes and black peoples. If these cities can reduce there homicide rates to that of some of the lesser violent cities of Western Europe, then those three cities will become even more inspiring to dark skin peoples like myself.

Harmony,my lad,you got it all incorrect. I dont give a f**k about you being a moreno,mulatto,etc; Brain Power and not Black Power.It is a question of economy,as Billy Cinton said a long time ago.Good education with the promise of a bright future for all kind of graduating professionals. Think about it.

BTY, pay attention to the comments of AES/Prof/Pinga and my humble self.You have to display your knowledge and self confidence regardless of the color of your skin.

And Harmony, dont get intimidated by us.

who gives a f**k what color you are. It is the mind that I am speaking to soul, the self if you well. What color is Rice or Powell, Supreme Court Justices Marshall and Thomas? It is never about color it is always about self. Africa is a continent. It is black filled with doctors, lawyers, scientists, judges, philosphers, phds. Go to Paris, they dont give a f**k how many melonin you have to the square inch. Color and the importance of it is an American myopia, that is problematic for it effects vision. You are as bright as you are and as tan as you are. And Brazil, as an American I can assure you, is one of the most racially integrated of any country that I have ever been in. In Brazil it is not so much what grade of color you are as how much money and education that you have. The class that you manifest, manners intelligence etiquette. It is about education, and calss. To a great extent it is about monetary class, but that is Brazil's unique cross to carry. As to skin color forget it, it is on the equator and everybody is black to some degree. 'Dark skinned peoples like yourself' knock that s**t off. Learn how to write a complete thought without grammatical error or fallacy of logic.

written by João da Silva, 2007-05-19 16:13:56

The cities of Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, and Salvador have lots of "morenos" and or mulattoes and black peoples. If these cities can reduce there homicide rates to that of some of the lesser violent cities of Western Europe, then those three cities will become even more inspiring to dark skin peoples like myself.



Harmony,my lad,you got it all incorrect. I dont give a f**k about you being a moreno,mulatto,etc; Brain Power and not Black Power.It is a question of economy,as Billy Cinton said a long time ago.Good education with the promise of a bright future for all kind of graduating professionals. Think about it.

BTY, pay attention to the comments of AES/Prof/Pinga and my humble self.You have to display your knowledge and self confidence regardless of the color of your skin.

And Harmony, dont get intimidated by us.

I understand all that. The reality of the situation however is that people across the world draw association between what they see. Fact is, nations with lots of "dark peoples" like many in Latin America and in Africa are immediately associated with high levels of violence and corruption, by people in the U.S., Europe, and in Asia. People around the world notice there does not seem to be a nation on earth with a high percentage of mulattoes and black peoples that has a robust economy, stable and efficient government, and a Europe or Japanese like low level of violence. All those things together.

I've got no beef with Paris (or Berlin or London for that matter) it is one of the worlds great large cities and it has a very old history. But regardless of my own German bloodlines, I want to see the city of Rio become a fairly tranquil and economically prosperous mega city of the world. Granted, because of many of Rio's "first world" qualities and tropical climate it is considered one of the great cities of the world. But Rio is a city in many ways divided into so called "first world" and "third world" living condition (strangely right on top of each other) and the homicide rate is very high. After we cut through all the sh*t, any city with a homicide rate as high or higher than Detroit's is f*ckin dangerous. And believe me, Detroit, Baltimore, and cities like it our dangerous I would prefer to see Rio drop its homicide rate down to something like a European city like Paris with around 3 homicides per 100,000 people (or roughly something like that). Frankly, that is still probably dangerous in its own right. But the U.S. standard of accepting of homicide rates of 15 per 100,000 people as a "good city" is warped in its own f*cking right.

Basically, I would like to see Rio surpass U.S. cities and be elevated up to European or Tokyo standards or better. The impact would be positive in the U.S., Europe, and Asia as to how many peoples in those regions look upon people like me.

Aes wrote: "Go to Paris, they dont give a f**k how many melonin you have to the square inch. Color and the importance of it is an American myopia,..."

They don't? Well I guess that is why they have so many problems that are only going to get worst.

BBC News June 17, 1998
A report by the Council of Europe's European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) says France is rife with racist activities and accuses the French authorities of not doing enough to combat this.
The report is part of a review of the situation in all the 40 member-states of the Council - a pan-European body that promotes democracy and human rights.
'Intolerant attitudes'
Michael Head of the Council of Europe's Committee against Racism says race relations are both improving and deteriorating
The report says: "France is still suffering from frequent and sporadic outbursts of racist activity, including some anti-Semitic incidents, as well as continuing discrimination in many fields of social and economic life."
The large Muslim community in France "is particularly the subject of intolerant and discriminatory attitudes" says the report, noting also acts of anti-Semitism.
The report describes the National Front as one of the most powerful extreme-right parties in Europe, "which presents an openly racist and xenophobic ideology."
The BBC correspondent in Paris, Stephen Jessel says the conventional non-extreme French right seems to be split on the question of what its relationship should be with the National Front.
Some on the right both in the UDF and the RPR parties are prepared to form alliances with it.
As the ECRI report notes, France has long been a land of immigration. One French person in four has a foreign-born parent or grandparent.
But, our correspondent says the National Front has successfully exploited resentment against outsiders and France's tradition, as a land of welcome to foreigners is moribund if not actually dead.

Global Research November 8, 2005

The French called them Les cités. The ‘ghettos’ are specially built for excluded and disfranchised migrants from France’s former North African colonies - mostly Arabs and Muslims - and other parts of the world. Clustered on the peripheries of France’s big cities, Les cités proved to be laboratories for dissent and resistance against oppression. The children of the immigrants who built France after World War II are being pushed further outside the French society.
It is important to emphasise that the French youth who are protesting against police violence and the policy of the French political establishment, are French citizens. They were born into first and second generation immigrants communities from France’s former colonies. They are not motivated by religion, and the protest has nothing to do with Islam and Western cliché of “Islamic fundamentalism”. It is a protest against oppression and racism. This is the only way the youth can express their anger and frustration at French political establishment which deny immigrants to be integrated in their diversity. Successive French governments failed to come up with a faire and successful integration policy.
The “second class citizens” have been pushed further out of the centres into France’s larger suburbs of Paris, Nice, and Lyon Toulouse, Marseille, Strasbourg and other big cities where their parents once provided cheap labour for France’s factories. The youth are excluded from the French society, and subjected to brutal and Nazi’s-like police harassments, encouraged by racist policies. In its annual report in April 2005, Amnesty International have criticised the “impunity” provided to police and police violent treatments of youth from North African origins during the provocative identity checks. In fact, an Arab or an African man has no right to look a policeman in the face during this deliberate and daily racism faced by young people of colour.
It is the police who provoked the current protests, when it was alleged that two boys, returning from a football match, had been deliberately chased by police into Clichy-sous-Bois substation, and were electrocuted and died. As usual the boys were afraid of the heavy-handed identity checks in the suburbs where French citizens of North African origins live. And the police refusal to apologise for their criminal action of exploding a tear gas inside a mosque. The situation was inflamed by the inflammatory and racist attitude of Nicolas Sarkozy, the megalomaniac French interior minister. Sarkozy attack on the youth as “subhuman” and calling for more Nazi’s-like repression to “ethnic cleansing” the ghettos was not helpful. Thanks to the cultural chauvinism of the French society, Sarkozy enjoys the support of 57% of the French voters. These anti-Arabs, anti-Muslims hatreds have taken France into its “anti-Semitism” past with new target, Arabs and Muslims.
A French government-commissioned report presented by Jean-Christophe Rufin, former vice-president of Médecins sans Frontières, to the interior ministry on October 2004 revealed that, mounting racism and “anti-Semitism” in France represents “a radical threat to the survival of our democratic system”. In addition, “racial discrimination is very real in France, but it’s not something that the authorities ever really wanted to face up to” said Peter Ford of the Christian Science Monitor in Paris.
It is France dark past and its discriminatory system that need to be clean. “It's hard to just sit here and watch the rich people driving past in their swanky vehicles. They have everything and we have absolutely nothing”, a 20-years old Zaid told the Independent on 05 November 2005. “Ever since Sarko [Sarkozy] came into the government, life has been merde . He treats us like dogs -- well, we'll show him how dogs can react”, added 16-years old Kamel. Youth unemployment in the ghettos is three times higher than the national average or more than 40 percent.

As the ECRI report notes, France has long been a land of immigration

Since when?

Global Research November 8, 2005

Furthermore, French of Muslim and North African origins constitute the largest percentage of Franc’s prisons system, where the treatment of prisoners is hell, and living condition is torturous. Physical and mental violence play a bigger part in the running of overcrowded prisons. In his recent book L’Islam dans les Prisons, Farhad Khosrokhavar, a professor of Sociology at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris estimates that French Muslims make up some 70 percent of a total of 60,775 prisoners in France. Sociologists put the blame on marginalization and towering poverty and unemployment rates among the Muslim-Arab minority. The situation is not unique to France; it is a trend across Western Europe.
Contrary to Sarkozy’s and Western mainstream media allegations that the protest is organised by “Islamists” and the mosques, the protest is a form of youth solidarity against France’s discriminatory system and police brutality towards French citizens from Muslim and North African backgrounds. Muslims all over France have called for calm. Sarkozy should do the right thing and apologise for his racist remarks. The recent law banning on the head scarf (the Hijab) in public schools, hospitals and government buildings is a form of extremism. It is not only inciting racism, it is also denying French Muslim women their rights to education. It also shows that France is desperately in need of tolerance to wash the stain of Jean-Marie Le Pen fascist racism.
The recent curfews and emergency measures are the failed tools of France colonial past; what is needed is a change in attitudes. It is the French establishment and the French society that bear the responsibility for this system of conscious racism. Once this system is removed and its roots cut out the French society, France can be proud of its ideal.
It is time France revisits and takes seriously its ideal of Liberté, Fraternité and Égalité. France ought to reconsider its fraudulent policies of anti-Arabs and anti-Muslims prejudice. Or maybe France needs another French revolution?

Basically, I would like to see Rio surpass U.S. cities and be elevated up to European or Tokyo standards or better.

Harmony, I tend to concur with you. Until 15 years ago, Rio was one of the friendliest cities in Brazil. You can walk on Copacabana, ride the buses without being harassed, drink cafezinho with unknown cariocas and catch the plane without being afraid to be be shot at by the criminals.

It is so sad that Rio has become a "Pariah City". And I sincerely hope that your wishes come true.

AES...you have obviously never been to Paris or you would know that race relations there are horrid.
As for your ideas about women and sex: you are a grade A a*****e from hell.

Time Magazine Jan. 06, 2007

If the problem of racism in American discourse is typified by the N-word outburst of comedian Michael Richards followed by his abject apology, the French variant is altogether more toxic. The latest outrage came from second-string TV personality and self-appointed social commentator Pascal Sevran, whose recently published book included the obscenely racist idea that the "black [penis] is responsible for famine in Africa." Elaborating in a newspaper interview, Sevran said, "Africa is dying from all the children born there" to parents supposedly too sexually undisciplined or dumb to realize they could not feed them all. The answer to the problem? "We need sterilize half the planet," Sevran emphatically replied. Known as an relentless attention-seeker, the defiant Sevran drew only limited fire for his comments, and a public rebuke from his public television employer — though not the cancellation of his Sunday program that many demanded. Appalled at the light punishment, the government of Niger (itself a victim of recent famines) announced it would file libel charges against Sevran in French courts.
Sevran's prurient opinions are but the latest addition to the growing racist chatter in the French mainstream. A month earlier, a Socialist political kingpin in the Montpellier region sparked fury — and possible expulsion from the party — by lamenting that France's national soccer team fielded "9 blacks out of 11" starting players. "I'm ashamed of this country," in which "the whites are lousy," he groused, and would soon be fielding teams "where all 11 players are black." That echoed a comment a year earlier by philosopher Alain Finkelkraut, who — seeking to explain the 2005 rioting by youths descended from immigrants in France's suburbs — made allusion to France's "white-black-Arab" soccer side that won the 1998 World Cup and became an icon of French social integration. " Today, [the team is] black-black-black, and it's the laughingstock of Europe," Finkelkraut complained.

Time Magazine Jan. 06, 2007

Even some black Frenchmen have joined the bigoted chorus: In November, the black comic known as Dieudonn頭ade a conspicuous appearance at the annual congress of Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front party — much to the pleasure of extreme-rightists looking to lose their racist stigma without changing their xenophobic positions. For the last two years, the self-described leftist Dieudonn頨ad outdone even Le Pen in Jew-baiting, delivering a series of brazenly anti-Semitic remarks, belittling the Holocaust and depicting Jews as racist persecutors of blacks and Arabs. Though that earned him general condemnation, Dieudonn駳 high-profile fraternizing with a party treated as a pariah by most French minorities and voters indicated that he, too, was looking for a more effective manner to promote his divisive positions. His flirtation with Le Pen found support from Ahmed Moualek, a blogger and influential voice from France's blighted suburban housing projects who said he'd rather debate with "an intelligent racist than with a stupid anti-racist," noting that while Le Pen's "language can at times shock people, he's an honest man."
The rising torrent of racist language and publicly expressed racist attitudes may be a sign less that racism is spreading, than that the boundaries of mainstream tolerance are changing. As in the U.S., France has seen an increase in provocative shock content in entertainment and commentary, whether for comic effect or political impact. Interior Minister and presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy drew protests when he used a racially loaded term to denounce young men rioting in the suburbs last year — an outcry that also coincided with his jump in polls. The street patois of those ethnically diverse projects, meanwhile, has also long contained its own racially aggressive "shock" element, with the rejoinder "ta race" (your race) a kind of generic, all-purpose slight. Clearly, the political "filter" in the U.S. public square that prompts a Michael Richards or a Mel Gibson to grovel apologetically following publicly recorded racial insults is considerably less developed in France. Indeed, last year's riots were a stark reminder of how poorly France has done in integrating its diversity, remaining locked in an officially "color-blind" national ideology that often simply avoids confronting the problems of racial inequality. France counts no blacks or Arabs as members of parliament, and its corporate boardrooms don't fare much better.
France rejects affirmative action as incompatible with its republican ideals of color-blind equality for all citizens. Nice in theory, but that's not working in practice: discrimination continues, inequality is rife, and notions of color-blindness don't square with the rising chorus of racially loaded commentary. Color-blindness may also function to keep France blind to racial discrimination and inequality, but the rising tide of anger in the projects and racist chatter in the mainstream suggests that the French may soon have no choice but to openly confront what color-blindness prefers not to see.

Sarkozy is now the president. Let's see what is next.


"Color-blindness may also function to keep France blind to racial discrimination and inequality, but the rising tide of anger in the projects and racist chatter in the mainstream suggests that the French may soon have no choice but to openly confront what color-blindness prefers not to see."

The above statement reminds me of another country. Do you want to guess which one?

Guest, I am aware of it and you dont have to repeat it. The French,along with the Germans are the biggest racists and they consider the Brazilians to be inferior race!. I had to spend 15 hours in the transit lounge in Paris from the Orient back to Brazil, before the French and Brazilians eliminated the visa requirements between the two countries.

The best experience I have had is with the Americans and Canadians .Great folks. They are not racists,but give importance to the "Brain Power".

Or maybe France needs another French revolution?

I think the entire Europe needs another revolution (Great Britain excluded)

Sarkozy is now the president. Let's see what is next.

Dont expect too much from this poodle,lest you will be disappointed.Alpha French Male? Be on the look out.

'68 I lived on Cite next to Notre Dame for 4 months, on the top floor of a 14th Century building. It was an extraordinary time. If you read American Black literature of the time, listen to the Black Jazz that existed in the caves of Paris, Paris was described as color blind.

I have been back to Paris for periods of weeks or days on business.

Now I have never liked the French. They are a petty people that have not won a war since Napoleon and have an inferiority complex almost universal. They are essentially a poor people dreaming of a past glory.
They are irrelevent. They have caused more problems in the world then they could dream of solving. And their grand scheme of Empire has come back to haunt them. There is no solution. The Flics even back in '68 would stop at one end of the quay with a paddy wagon and round up all the personage coraling them to examine in the particularly fascistic way for their papers.

I lived only in the old city of Paris. Nam was on and their were oddly North Vietnamese restaurants in an international milieu of blendedness.

France is doomed, damned by the consequences of its own delusions.

As to color blindedness it is from the Black writers and jazz musicians who spoke of the equality they felt in Euriope, in Paris, at that time. That is the color blindedness of which I speak.

I would not choose to live anyplace in France except the old city of Paris. Not for the French, but for the architecture, the ambiance.

In the early mornings the Algerians, or Morocans cleaned the streets with ancient reed brooms, which as an observer thought 'charming'.

Forty years later France has created the blueprint for its own demise. Like Viet Nam, or Haiti, or anyother place France has been it has brought a disease of decadence and demise.

These truths are self evident. The French are petty fascist arrogants, I have chosen not to live in Marseille. I once hitchhiked through Strasssborg and found it the most charming of cities. But France is not big enough for the world, and the world, will have France for lunch. It is perhaps there that when the rioting begins that NATO will begin the conflagration in earnest. There is justice in France, but it is French justice, the world is a big place, that is the greater justice, find your own justice, the world is filled with a variety of countries, peace can surely be had somewhere on this vast planet. But entropy is the nature of man, it takes a certain kind of man to head for New Zealand, or Australia, or Canada. Or perhaps you are just a blight on the escutchion of humanity and have no value to contribute and regard it your God given right to live wherever you please, even if you are neither wanted or a merely tresspassing. It reminds me of Holland and the murder of Van Gogh, someone didn't like his opionion, or the Danes Cartoons. It seems simple enough instead of trying to change Europe why dont you sell what you have acquired and find a homeland that shares your philosophy. That would seem more just. Better all around.V

What the F....?
written by bienchido, 2007-05-19 21:29:36

As for your ideas about women and sex: you are a grade A a*****e from hell.
I am sorry but to what do you irroneously refer?

Oh yes the pill and the abrogation of the male reponsibility for conception. Forty years of the failure to accept either the consequences of propogation, physically and emotionally or ultimately the disintigration of the family and society in general. Life is carpe diem, do your own thing and their is no personal responsibility because everything is relative. Well we started that s**t, to get f**ked. The consequence of failing to use a condom which for nearly fifty years had prevented rampant syphalis, gonorea, had evolved to a virulent herpes and to an epidemic of cervical cancer. The pill freed women to do what? What has been the consequence of this freedom, and if you are offended by the dialogue, you either do not know women or have not been in an ecstatic state with one. We (man and woman) become hedonistic, irresponsible emotionally retarded adults. Incapable of keeping either ones word 'Ido' which for my parents and grand parents to mean for fifty years or till death, to 'I do right now'. Think half or more of all marriage ends in divorce. At at some level abortion is murder. If you dont like the idea dont do it. What do you want to call it a 'medical procedure'. Like removing a wart. We have cheapened our lives, let us blame it on the pill. The freedom to be stupid. When you are willing to kill a human life for the sake of convenience, what can possibly be left that is sacred, or sacrosanct. I like the partial birth abortion part where they suck the brain out of the presenting head, because if the baby were actually to have its head in the world it would be murder.

Forty years later France has created the blueprint for its own demise. Like Viet Nam, or Haiti, or anyother place France has been it has brought a disease of decadence and demise.

These truths are self evident. The French are petty fascist arrogants

Do I have to say more?

it takes a certain kind of man to head for New Zealand, or Australia, or Canada

Another great statement from you AES and thanks.Dont forget to include your country too.

the article states that there are 15 murders per 100K in sao paulo, that is in sao paulo STATE, NOT the city! So it isn't a fair comparison comparing a state to a city. Instead of comparing to detroit, new orleans, etc, try comparing the STATE of sao paulo to another american STATE.

The murder rate in the STATE of sao paulo in 2002-2004 was 48.2 per 100K, for anyone to believe that the rate has dropped to a mere 15 per in the last two years is absurd. If those numbers are the real numbers from the state secretariats office I smell something fishy.

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st
Juruena MT 137.8 2nd
Coronel Sapucaia MS 116.4 3rd
Serra ES 111.3 4th
São José do Xingu MT 109.6 5th
Vila Boa GO 107.0 6th
Tailândia PA 104.9 7th
Aripuanã MT 98.2 8th
Ilha de Itamaracá PE 95.1 9th
Macaé RJ 94.5 10th
Foz do Iguaçu PR 94.3 11th
Itaguaí RJ 92.7 12th
Recife PE 91.2 13th
Tunas do Paraná PR 86.8 14th
Itaboraí RJ 83.7 15th
Cariacica ES 83.3 16th
Cabo de Santo Agostinho PE 82.2 17th
Santa Cruz do Xingu MT 81.7 18th
Duque de Caxias RJ 80.9 19th
Ribeirão PE 79.4 20th
Rio Bonito do Iguaçu PR 79.3 21st
Vitória ES 78.6 22nd
Nova Iguaçu RJ 78.5 23rd
Vicente Dutra RS 78.1 24th
Cotriguaçu MT 77.4 25th
Buritis RO 77.3 26th
Jaboatão dos Guararapes PE 76.9 27th
São Sebastião SP 76.9 28th
Agrestina PE 75.8 29th
Diadema SP 74.6 30th

Rio de Janeiro RJ 57.2 107th
São Paulo SP 48.2 182nd

for anyone to believe that the rate has dropped to a mere 15 per in the last two years is absurd.

Why not?

The reality of the situation however is that people across the world draw association between what they see. Fact is, nations with lots of "dark peoples" like many in Latin America and in Africa are immediately associated with high levels of violence and corruption, by people in the U.S., Europe, and in Asia. People around the world notice there does not seem to be a nation on earth with a high percentage of mulattoes and black peoples that has a robust economy, stable and efficient government, and a Europe or Japanese like low level of violence. All those things together.

I don't think people should care about what others think, and grouping "Latin America" and Africa together is a big geographical mistake. Not because they are two different continents, but because the populations and history of both places are drastically different.

Most of Africa is a semifeudal economy, countries with their economies closed for most part, ruled by an insane and corrupt elite. The poor people from the US and Europe donate money so the rich people from Africa can transfer it to their Swiss accounts. On the other hand, Brazil and latin america always was run by the rich and white. That seems to be changing, but not necessarily to something better (see Lula and PT, the most corrupt government Brazil ever had).

Between the whitest white with a good ethics and moral and Lula, I would choose the whitest white, because we don't need racism, what we need is a meritocracy.

I'm sorry but attempting to correlate abortion, and freedom to have sex with getting pregnant with higher murder rates just doesn't work. If this were true then the countries of Europe should have some of the highest murder rates in the world, as almost all make abortion legal and in my experience are, on average, much loser about sex than most of the Americas. This is the old puritan argument put out there to try to impose moral rules to a certain segment of societies wishes. That is not to say that your statement about partial birth abortion is incorrect, but that is because a late term fetus is a fully developed baby. However a first trimester fetus is more or less the equivalent of a tad pole. Despite what your good book, whose main character (GOD) has about as much chance of existing as Santa Claus, says.

The reality of the situation however is that people across the world draw association between what they see. Fact is, nations with lots of "dark peoples" like many in Latin America and in Africa are immediately associated with high levels of violence and corruption, by people in the U.S., Europe, and in Asia. People around the world notice there does not seem to be a nation on earth with a high percentage of mulattoes and black peoples that has a robust economy, stable and efficient government, and a Europe or Japanese like low level of violence. All those things together.

I don't think people should care about what others think, and grouping "Latin America" and Africa together is either a big geographical mistake or a political maneuver from some american black-Nazi group. Not because they are two different continents, but because the populations and history of both places are drastically different. Such associations tell more about the individuals that have them than about the actual reality.

Most of Africa is a semifeudal economy, countries with their economies closed for most part, ruled by an insane and corrupt elite. The poor people from the US and Europe donate money so the rich people from Africa can transfer it to their Swiss accounts. On the other hand, Brazil and Latin America was always run by the rich and white. That seems to be changing, but not necessarily to something better (see Lula and PT, the most corrupt government Brazil ever had, or "Evil Morales" in Bolivia).

I don't have much faith in this country. The children are taught leninist ideology in the school, the communists are in power with some very backward ideas. If nothing is changed I think in about 50 years, in the best of the cases, we will be a new Cuba, in the worst case we will degenerate to a state of unseen barbarism.

The children in Brazil nowadays think that "samba" and "candomble" is culture, but they know nothing about the classic culture or the following centuries of knowledge that Europe produced. The truth has been reduced to what's "politically correct".

Without a solid base, and such base can only be found in the European culture, there's no way anything good can be built. Nobody denies who they are by pursuing knowledge, it's about time for blacks to give up on Africa and start using their "Brain Power". Everytime I hear about Africa I can't help thinking that that place is the closest thing we have to hell on Earth, and, still, some use it as a badge of pride. Go figure.

Well your comment was interesting. I dont know where there is a correlation between higher murder rates, unless you consider the killing of an embryonic human as murder. Though it is murder if the fetus is shot and the mother actually wanted the baby, the crime is murder. Curious, how can the killing of the same thing be murder in one instance and a medical procedure in the other. I suppose if you bury the fetus it is murder and if you flush it down the toilet it is merely a biological procedure.

The commentary I was making was primarily concerned with whether the 'pill' had benefited global society at large. It was my contention that in fact it had been responsible for a variety of diseases, caused the irresponsibility of the male in the process.

I also contended that abortion as a means of contraception had denegrated human life, brought a fundamental disintegration and dysfunction to the concept and reality of family, produced a carpe diem society at any cost and made human life as expendable as a disposable diaper.

I also contended that it made the centering of the self, the convenience of the self, the sine qua non of life. That convenience was the meaning of life. If you found being pregnant inconvenient, well it was easily remedied.

But there are grave conscious and unconscious consequences to abortion. The are psychological tomes written on the subject. What percentage of women that have had abortions are not deeply scarred, damaged, psychologically traumatized by the event. The body never forgets, and the soul never stops grieving.

So life is made cheap, it is as easy to snuff out life as it is to remove a wart.

So why should a father be a father to a thing that has as much significance as a cold. So they dont. So you have a society of dysfunctional emotionally underdeveloped adults, who when reaching a situation in life where another life is inconvenient, well just 'snuff it'. Now this wasn't anything I said before, but it certainly begins to provide fodder for the rampant rise of jeuvenile murders. Life has lost meaning because at a very fundamental psychological and biological level we have soled our humanity for covenience.

I dont know what they do in Africa. I do know that they have hugh numbers of children because the mortality rate pre history had been so high. With the advent of contemporary medicines we are able to reduce the mortality rate to such an extent that we now have a population that is so large it cannot feed itself, so there is massive famine. The West continues to feed the famine, the Africans continue to reproduce without consideration of food, since the West miraculously produces the food and life continues like lemmings heading over the inevitible cliff of Darwinism.

We spend more time solving the problems of the world then we do our own, because it is so much easier. We dont know how to solver our problems, we cant identify them even, but we sure as hell know the solution to Africa's problems. Like hell we do. Some times you just better get the hell out of the way.

Lord grant me the will to do the things I can, and the wisdom to know the things I cant.

The operation was a success, but the patient died.

written by A brazilian, 2007-05-20 13:44:11
I don't think people should care about what others think, and grouping "Latin America" and Africa together is either a big geographical mistake or a political maneuver from some american black-Nazi group. Not because they are two different continents, but because the populations and history of both places are drastically different. Such associations tell more about the individuals that have them than about the actual reality.

Most of Africa is a semifeudal economy, countries with their economies closed for most part, ruled by an insane and corrupt elite. The poor people from the US and Europe donate money so the rich people from Africa can transfer it to their Swiss accounts. On the other hand, Brazil and Latin America was always run by the rich and white. That seems to be changing, but not necessarily to something better (see Lula and PT, the most corrupt government Brazil ever had, or "Evil Morales" in Bolivia).

I don't have much faith in this country. The children are taught leninist ideology in the school, the communists are in power with some very backward ideas. If nothing is changed I think in about 50 years, in the best of the cases, we will be a new Cuba, in the worst case we will degenerate to a state of unseen barbarism.

The children in Brazil nowadays think that "samba" and "candomble" is culture, but they know nothing about the classic culture or the following centuries of knowledge that Europe produced. The truth has been reduced to what's "politically correct".

Without a solid base, and such base can only be found in the European culture, there's no way anything good can be built. Nobody denies who they are by pursuing knowledge, it's about time for blacks to give up on Africa and start using their "Brain Power". Everytime I hear about Africa I can't help thinking that that place is the closest thing we have to hell on Earth, and, still, some use it as a badge of pride. Go figure.

I don't agree with this post at all. In fact I don't agree with the proposition that the French are the most racist (certainly have racism there) or that legalized abortion is any significant cause for the high homicide rates in many U.S. cities.

Aside from the multitude of troubles on the African continent, there is nothing wrong with Africa or all the various African peoples. You probably can find many cities throughout Africa, that while far worse in infrastructure than their U.S. counterparts, are far safer in terms of violent crime than their U.S. counterpart. Not only that, many of the tribal identities are still intact in Africa and family bonds often stronger than in the U.S. Black community.

I'm also quite fond of Lula, Evo Morales, Chavez, and even Michelle Bachelet. And samba and candomble are legitimate forms of culture in Brazil. God*damn it, I wish we had some samba shakin a**es in my city.

There's nothing wrong with Europe, just as there is nothing wrong with Asia, the Americas, or Africa. Europe without doubt contributed to human history and produced some notable accomplishments. But the Mexica (Aztecs) or Mayans no less so. Great kingdoms and ordered societies existed in China and Africa as well. When white peoples decided to appreciate Picasso that didn't mean the art of Benin (in Africa) amazingly gained justification and worthiness - abstract art in its own genre amongst the Black African Kingdoms already had it. And as the Norman conquerers of Sicily recognized, and incorporated into their own architecture, the Muslim East of olive, bronze, and black skin complexion, produced some awe inspiring architecture and gardens of their own.

I'm about tired of hearing about how this racial group did this and that. Let's understand something, "Egypt" did not include all of Black Africa, and "Rome" did not include all of White Europe. Three thousand years ago parts of Black Africa was "ahead" of most of White Europe. Even when Rome ruled as an empire they referred to my German ancestors as "barbarians" (implication being they didn't feel united by "white pride" nor was the concept of "Europe" formed at that time) and those so called "Dark Ages" is laughable since that would have required my Germanic ancestor to have been living in the "Light Ages" prior to the "fall of Rome." Fact is, just because the Romans put bathhouses (dirty filled water I might add) in "barbarian" frontiers of Europe doesn't mean the Saxon (a name which essentially means "knife" in reference to the tribe carrying knives and being warriors [not scholars]) were living like Timbuktu.

I'm also quite fond of Lula, Evo Morales, Chavez, and even Michelle Bachelet.

Please explain why you are so fond of these folks.

I'm sorry but attempting to correlate abortion, and freedom to have sex with getting pregnant with higher murder rates just doesn't work. If this were true then the countries of Europe should have some of the highest murder rates in the world, as almost all make abortion legal and in my experience are, on average, much loser about sex than most of the Americas. This is the old puritan argument put out there to try to impose moral rules to a certain segment of societies wishes. That is not to say that your statement about partial birth abortion is incorrect, but that is because a late term fetus is a fully developed baby. However a first trimester fetus is more or less the equivalent of a tad pole. Despite what your good book, whose main character (GOD) has about as much chance of existing as Santa Claus, says.

Europe isn't perfect, nor any other continent for that matter. But it's up to us to learn with other's mistakes and improve ourselves. This fixation about Africa is unjustified, if they had a culture that was "superior" to Europe than I would like to see it. In Brazil we only see samba, capoeira and candomble, and that's it. I think this is more something foreigners would like to be, than actually real.

This country has a destiny, but this artificial divide seems to make it go backwards instead of forward. We are dangerously going back to the XIX century in terms of "racial concepts", this is what PT and the rest thieves promote.

If you admire Lula then I suggest you to inform yourself better, especially about the Sao Paulo Forum (a communist group he belongs to). He is not only a corrupt, but a traitor. His allegiance is first to such groups that threat Brazil's sovereignty, and then later to his own country. PT has connections with the FARC, a colombian terrorist group that uses drug trafficking as a means of financing its activities, and brings tons of cocaine into Brazil, causing as a side effect the huge security problem we see today. PT received money from such group for the election of Lula.

Other terrorist groups such as the MST, with connections with the president's party, has their own "schools" where they teach kids about the socialist revolution that is coming. Their goal is no more no less than implement a socialist regime in Brazil.

Many of the members of PT were guerilla fighters, that fought against the military regime to establish communism. They failed of course, but now they are trying the revolution in the Gramsci way, instead of an armed one. What we have in Brazil is a "silent revolution", where key positions within the government is filled with people from the party, and slowly the population is educated to accept socialist ideas, even if they don't know such things are socialist. So much today every politician willing to succeed in elections must use the social justice speech, i.e., distribution of wealth. They have no notion of merit whatsoever, if you have something then you are stealing from the poor.

About Brazil. Take all of the cultures of the world, break them to pieces, save the good and throw away the bad, put it all together. That's it, the recipe for a better Brazil. When this happens we won't be Europeans, Asians or Africans, but something else, the true Brasilians. My people is the people of the future, so I should lay the foundations today.

Samba may be a lower form of culture, a form of popular expression, just like Britney Spears or Metallica. But not culture in the sense I am referring to, literature and other forms of art would be more like it.

One of your best posts.You expressed the thoughts of the Brazilian middle class regarding the "Silent Revolution", that is going on.Thanks and congrats.

"The best experience I have had is with the Americans and Canadians .Great folks. They are not racists,but give importance to the "Brain Power".

This guy is so infatuated with white Americans and Europeans it is sickening. He has shown his overt racism on post after post. He claims to have had his best "experience" with American and Canadians, yet will immediatly belittle or rant against Black Americans, Mexican Americans or any American of color as being less of an American. His statement about "Brain Power" is an obvious racist statement that means in his own mind "white brain pwer", there is no arguing with racists of this type, it's why he attacks me, E-Harmony or the black writers on this blog. Fortunatly he is not typical of most Brazilians, but he is typical of most Americans, perhaps that is why he wants to be one so bad...I am sure he would love to come to the South and join the Klan.

It's funny how race and violence always elict the most responses on this blog. Bo is correct, statistics can be manipulated to say anything, he is also correct in saying the author in this case has done so. But Police Departments and city officals across the US do the same thing, just recently here in Ft Lauderdale, the Chief of Police has been removed for cooking the books about violent crime, it being much higher than reported. He had instructed his officers to "miss report" how they reported crime to be reappointed by a new Mayor.

I also agree that secular Europe has created a BIG problem by allowing Muslims to immigrate but not assimilate into their society. Now they pacify them by actually supporting their 15th Century customs and laws...their is a day of reckoning coming across Europe. Even the move towards conservative politicans and leaders is too late.

As for E-Harmony, his desire to see Brazil, which is undeniably a country of African blood become a place where the world could look to see a black culture thrive and be an example of tolerence and freedom is admirable. It is my understanding that Bahia has become the number one international vacation spot for African Americans, I have meet many African American's in Rio as well, they should be welcome, because they can learn a thing or two about Brazilian tolerance. While visiting Corcovado, my teenaged son and his girlfriend saw and met Luducris, we later saw him near our apartment in Ipanema, my wife and I had a chance to speak with him, he was polite and articulate, he said he loved Brazil, Rio in particular. We were able to have a similar conversation with Will Smith a year later...funny, we also saw Calvin Klein, he purchased an apartment in Aporador, he said he loved Rio because of all the beautiful your Brazilian boys...something for everyone...it's why I love going (not living) in Brazil myself.

written by João da Silva, 2007-05-20 16:16:05

I'm also quite fond of Lula, Evo Morales, Chavez, and even Michelle Bachelet.



Please explain why you are so fond of these folks.

How about this as an answer to satisfy you: One has tits, one is Indian, one use to jump out of planes, and the other came up selling peanuts on the street.

Now, in the 21st century that is inspiring, not a nigga from Harvard.

Chavez and his daughters. Now you ain't ever seen that up in the White House.

In all honesty Chavez is to far left-wing for me. Perhaps that is due to me from both the U.S. and a product of a more comfortable life, I don't know. But I tend to appreciate the free market more than people on the far left (but less than people on the far right). Maybe if I came up in abject poverty I would feel different - I don't know. Nonetheless, I admire the fire in the belly of Chavez and his desire to help out those on the bottom. His family picture certainly is something new for Presidents and a "silent revolution" in its own right. That's my feeling on it and I'm done arguing about it. (this is all way off topic from the original subject of the thread anyways)

which is undeniably a country of African blood become a place where the world could look to see a black culture thrive and be an example of tolerence and freedom is admirable.

Brazil is not a black country. The only racist here is you by stating that. And Bahia is a backward place, if they used their hips less and their brains more then they would have higher impact in our economy.

Your text is malicious. You really don't admire anything, you just wrote that thing up to establish a lie "a black country" for those that read it. Incredibly low and racist of you.

The gringo fixation with blackness and Bahia stems from the fact that they are looking for something different when they come to brazil, so they can free themselves, which might involve realizing sexual fantasies with transexuals or children. No educated person would ever call Brazil a "black country".

I admire the fire in the belly of Chavez and his desire to help out those on the bottom.

His desire is the same one of Stalin, Mao, that North Korean guy I forgot the name, and many other genocidal ogres around the planet. All of them thought they knew what was best for everyone, and ended up building up the biggest killing machine of all times. Many millions of women, children and other "camarades" were killed, either by hunger due to their inefficient politics or by terror. Some ended up as slaves.

Read your history, Portuguese slave traders having babies with their female slaves and Brazilian indians. It is too bad you deny your heritage instead of embracing it. It really is quite remarkable and beautiful, Brazil truely is the melting pot we all strive to live in. The reason they don't participate in your economy has nothing to do with their "hips" but beacause racists like you and Gilligan prevent them from doing so at all costs. But now they vote in leftists and local leaders, white ranch owners are finally being prosecuted for killing the poor, including women and children in the North. Your police are corrupt and take the law into their own hands murderous animals with no sense of morality. Better get used to it dude...you are a "n****r" say it loud, your black and proud...as is your mother and sisters.

Yeah, I'm hispanic, 1/2 Mexican to be exact, loved my mother, proud of my heritage. In this great country, we not only have the ability to create wealth for ourselves and our families, our politcial clout and power continues to grow. Miami is a city run by Cubans, LA, Denver and Phoenix, run by my brothers and sisters, even Chicago and Boston are becoming browner and browner. Why do you think the Senate is about to pass an Immigration Bill that will include amnesty? Why will Bush sign it? It's just a few short months away...they all want to get relected. Rednecks are done, finished, as are the so called Red States, our next President will be a women or even Black...in a country only a couple of hundred years old...while yours tries to live in it's slave trader past.

Does it kill you that a 1/2 Mexican, "hispanic" can live like a Barron in Florida? While you struggle to buy arroz e fejio in Brazil. Hip swinging is what makes Brazil the greta place she is, not narrow minded (thank God your the tiny minority) light skinned Brazilians who think they are white...wake up man, even in your case, there was a brother in the woodpile at some point in your family tree. Your keep calling Black Brazilans monkeys, I have heard it a million times...but I'll bet you walk to the other side of the street when you see a couple of Brazilian brothers coming, typical chickens**t white boy. You are all such a bunch of sheet wearing pussies. Adios...paz.

This guy is so infatuated with white Americans and Europeans it is sickening. He has shown his overt racism on post after post. He claims to have had his best "experience" with American and Canadians, yet will immediatly belittle or rant against Black Americans, Mexican Americans or any American of color as being less of an American. His statement about "Brain Power" is an obvious racist statement that means in his own mind "white brain pwer", there is no arguing with racists of this type, it's why he attacks me, E-Harmony or the black writers on this blog.

Gary, you young fool,a card holding member of the Communist Party of the Planet.First of all let me welcome you back to the blog after your botched up fishing trip to Bimini (Is it located in Cuba or Bermuda Triangle?.The least you could have done is to transmit the coordinates to us,before you embarked on your disastrous mission).

Secondly, I would like to express my utmost displeasure at your calling me a Racist. When I called the Americans and Canadians good folks, I did not mean,just the whites,but in general regardless of color, the nations of origin,etc; I was comparing their respect for Brain Power with respect to the French,Germans,Swiss, etc; Put it into your dumb head. If the Canadians and the Americans are racists, why do they have so many engineers,doctors and many more experts from other countries?. Nowhere in my blogs, I have made any racial remarks and you can check it out.

On the contrary,you are a reverse racist.It is proven beyond any iota of doubt by your constant berating of the Brazilians (regardless of our skin color,ethnic origin,BRAIN POWER,etc).Not only tht,you have been insulting all the good honorable Americans who are on this blog (refer to your insults your E Harmony).

Let me tell ya something,buster.You are a goddamed reverse racist playing "Coitadinho" and trying to take maximum advantage of all the good folks,including your good ole dad (I suppose you dad is a Lutheran).

And Comrade, stop being a "coitadinho"

How about this as an answer to satisfy you: One has tits, one is Indian, one use to jump out of planes, and the other came up selling peanuts on the street.

I didnt know that you have such a sense of humor (For a Community College Student ).It was funny and thanks.

Brazilians, don't let others' malice to take you from the path to our destiny. So after 500 years this country wasn't able to produce its own identity? Brazil is a country of brazilians, period. Anyone saying otherwise is an ill-intended and intellectually poor person.

We must seek and do the best, build everything with strong foundations, so the the true Brazilians of the future will come to be. This is the race built from all races in the world, the culture with only the best of the best.

You are really pathetic. I have seen your debates with other members in this forum and you are just a son of slaves who maneged to enslave others like you. It must be do well for you little and insecure ego.

As for the heritage, yes, I am proud of it. I am 100% brazilian because I have blood from 4 continents in my family. I am the precursor of the race of the future. What you have hispanic?

"Nowhere in my blogs, I have made any racial remarks and you can check it out."

That's the funniest thing I have ever heard, you ridicule Cubans, Mexicans and blacks, in one post you called me a "Beaner" you my friend are the worse kind of racist...one who lives in the closet. By the way Bimini was great! Great fishing and diving, even the grease from my w*****k skin could not keep me from having a great time.

Not a racist...yeah, right. The typical defense is to scream, "reverse racism" happens all the time here in Redneckville".

That is a fair and agreeable statement, I offer you my sincere apology. In perspective, Brazil is not a Black country, but a Brazilian country...that is something worth believing in.

in one post you called me a "Beaner"

I did not call you that. Must be one of those good Americans who live in Brazil,whom you like to accuse of being Un-American.

I am disappointed in you,comrade.

You are really pathetic.

He is really pathetic and you are now only discovering it?

That is a fair and agreeable statement, I offer you my sincere apology

The least you could do is to apologise when you committ a muckup.

I'm hispanic...so I can't be proud of my heritage? Didn't Hitler try and precursor the race he invisioned too? Interesting comparison. So let's get the cards out on the table Brazilian, you claim you are not a racists and that Brazil is not a racist country. The BIG questions...as a hispanic, am I less of a person than you? I tend to judge people based on their accomplishements and contributions, you tend to judge people on the type of blood that runs through their veins. A bit of a Nazi strategy isn't it? The Brazilian Nazi alive and well in whatever s**thole Bario you live in.

Joaoa, you have indeed also used racial slurs in your postings, refered to Cubans as monkeys, but your racism is less overt than that most of the time, in the dark so to speak. Your postings and thoughts drip with it. You act like the "good old Gringo loving boy", but your hatred of people different from you and those you think are better than you lies shallow beneath your skin. You should seek professional help if you have the resources to do so.

In fact, one of the most common strategies of uneducated Southern racists, is to point to "reverse racism", exactly what you just did on your last post. It's why I love S. Florida, the cultural diversity is incredible, from S. Beach to Palm Beach we blennd from all cultures and colors. My friends are black, white, brown and yellow, so are my kids friends, personaly, it is they way I want my kids brought up. Not everywhere in the US is like this, but not everywhere in Brazil is like Rio or Sao Paulo.

We Hispanics live our lives for our families and communities, perhaps the Brazilian the racist thinks this is a bad thing. I am your worst nightmare, a very close to rich Hispanic, who likes to get all your goats on this blog, you all take the crap so serious, I get a laugh. I think about all of you sometimes when I climb into the Hummer or take out the boat, even when I travel to Brazil, which I will do next month. In the end I'll get bored, already slightly am. But while you may all be the "Mighty Whitey", my sense is that you are all a group of redneck losers who have nothing better than hope, because none of you have the balls to do something (I'll exclude Bo here). I'll give you a little secret to success, you can't get somewhere just by hoping you will get there...you have to do what it takes to get there. That takes courage and sacrifice, risk and brains...something sorely lacking in both Gilligan da Silva and his little buddy the Brazilian, while you blog a good game, in the real game, the game of life, you are both sorely lacking.

I'm hispanic...so I can't be proud of my heritage?

Listen Gary, we dont have Hispanics or whatever f**k you call, here in Brazil. A Brazilian has already explained this a thousand times on this blog. Nobody in Brazil asks you if you are a Hispanic,Black, Japanese,etc; If you pay a little more attention to your Mom-in-Law and your wife,they would confirm what we have been trying to tell you.We are a nation with several problems,but we will solve them with Brain Power (Regardless of the race,color,etc. s**t man, this is a country, where your broken Portugués is accepted and tolerated. So shut up and stop behaving as a Hispanico Coitadinho.

As for your trip to Clube Bahamas, good luck. Hope you catch something .

In fact, one of the most common strategies of uneducated Southern racists, is to point to "reverse racism", exactly what you just did on your last post.

Right, even in Souhtern Brazil, we apply this expression.

But while you may all be the "Mighty Whitey",

Right again, we are the "Mighty Whitey" and belong to the KKK (Brazilian Chapter).You better accept this fact and live with us.Otherwise, your formidable U.S.S Contender will be torpedoed by our Texan ally Admiral.Forrest.

I admire the fire in the belly of Chavez and his desire to help out those on the bottom.

Do you admire the fire in the belly of Al-Qaeda too?

I am not sure it is good to "admire the fire in the belly" of an Evil or Idiot person too long, lest you also Admire their general disregard for Humanity.

I dont know,Doc. I am sure that everyone has to admire the fire in Chavez´s crotch and not in his his belly.

Of course poor uneducated João doesnt understand the expression,but does Harmony want to say that Chavez is full of phospeous gas in his belly?. I would really appreciate your kind interpretation of this statement. If you dont want to do it, I wouldnt be offended

I love it when "hispanic" people who grew up in the US are confused into thinking hispanic is a race. Hispanic is not a race. I have been to Miami and thought it was one of the whitest cities I have been to in the US. No not white as in Anglo Saxon white but white because the majority of people there look like they are descendants of southern Europeans. Hispanic is a made up United States term, and even there it doesn't mean it is a race, if one looks at government forms it says Hispanic/ not Hispanic and then separately it has race. Someone saying they are half Mexican implies nothing except there is a good chance you could be mestizo, but I live in Mexico city and there are white Mexicans, Mestizo Mexicans, Indigenous Mexicans and even Black or Mullato Mexicans. It is unfortunate that many "hispanics" in the US have taken an attitude of exclusion from society instead of attemping to be part of the majority society. Just because you have an Indian or black person in the family tree doesn't make you non white if the majority of your ancestors are Southern Europeans and you look like a Southern European. If that were true then even a large part of the Anglo population in the US would be non white because as DNA tests done by a professor at Penn State have shown many have small amounts of black blood, they just didn't know it.

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written by João da Silva, 2007-05-20 20:00:18

I dont know,Doc. I am sure that everyone has to admire the fire in Chavez´s crotch and not in his his belly.

Of course poor uneducated João doesnt understand the expression,but does Harmony want to say that Chavez is full of phospeous gas in his belly?. I would really appreciate your kind interpretation of this statement. If you dont want to do it, I wouldnt be offended

Big John "fire in your belly" is an Idiom.

Fire in your belly
If you have fire in your belly, you are ready to fight with energy and determination for what you believe is right.

Oddly enough, though I can not really explain it, this idiom for the most part, I believe, has its root in a spiritual connotation. The area of the stomach I believe
is some type of Spiritual "gateway" perhaps if AES is versed in Kabbalism and/or Buddhism there might be a better explanation from him.
As to my experience it is a gateway to the divine, however, a little voice tells me
it is also a gateway to the undivine (evil) as well. Interestingly enough e Harmony's comment caught me as Ironic, being there is a possible undivine influence in regards to Chavez. If this is the case, it would not be a good idea to elevate Chavez due to "the fire in his belly" if such fire is undivine (evil).

Now if you are interested in a normal life it is better to disregard what I just explained, lest you end up walking the line between Heaven and Hell and end up
farting too much and someone accuses you of being a Beaner.

By the way Bimini was great!

It is spelt Bikini not Bimini, what Bikini did you wear at the Sauna, a teeny weeny yellow poka dot one?

what the hell is a hispanic
written by nesnej, 2007-05-20 21:41:16
I love it when "hispanic" people who grew up in the US are confused into thinking hispanic is a race. Hispanic is not a race. I have been to Miami and thought it was one of the whitest cities I have been to in the US. No not white as in Anglo Saxon white but white because the majority of people there look like they are descendants of southern Europeans. Hispanic is a made up United States term, and even there it doesn't mean it is a race, if one looks at government forms it says Hispanic/ not Hispanic and then separately it has race.

Hispanic is not a "made up United States term." Actually "Hispanic" was coined by the leaders of Spain suggesting to countries of Latin America that they are united by a common underlying Hispanic culture and should continue cultural and economic ties instead of them building greater bridges with the Anglo-Saxon world. Hispanic comes from a Latin word I think, that the ancient Romans referred to the Iberian region. I think it was something like: Hispanola (spelling?)

Someone saying they are half Mexican implies nothing except there is a good chance you could be mestizo, but I live in Mexico city and there are white Mexicans, Mestizo Mexicans, Indigenous Mexicans and even Black or Mullato Mexicans. It is unfortunate that many "hispanics" in the US have taken an attitude of exclusion from society instead of attemping to be part of the majority society. Just because you have an Indian or black person in the family tree doesn't make you non white if the majority of your ancestors are Southern Europeans and you look like a Southern European. If that were true then even a large part of the Anglo population in the US would be non white because as DNA tests done by a professor at Penn State have shown many have small amounts of black blood, they just didn't know it.

A large part of the Anglo population in the U.S.? I would have to see this study. If one means specifically those of original English ancestral lines to the U.S. then maybe so but I would have to see this study and it's validity first. Outside of that the U.S. took in many immigrants from Europe: Polish, Italian, Swedish, Jews, Irish, Scots (aka Scots-Irish), Germans etc. The Germans became the largest immigrant group to the United States. Half my bloodline is German, my Grandfather spoke with a German accent not because he came from Germany but I believe because either his parents or grandparents did. On his side of the bloodline our family tree runs into Trier, Germany and ancient Roman settlement and our surname is Roman. If you think most these Europeans were producing children with American blacks you are sadly mistaken. And you damn sure will be pressed to find many American black with a German or Italian surname. You can find some with one derived from a Scots-Irish (mine on my black side is Scots-Irish or Welsh) because unlike the Irish the Scots-Irish came with money and some did buy slaves.

My point is this: when Germans came here they largely stuck with Germans. When Italians came here they largely stuck with Italians. Polish, Irish, Jews the same thing. If you think the Irish did not raise there community and power up in the United States by "exclusion" then you don't know how Chicago politics ran for a long time. The Irish built "political machines" around the United States. Chicago was the last political machine in the U.S. and even still today it is an Irishman as mayor.

Bario you live in

For the record "Bario" doesn't exist in portuguese, so it's impossible for us to be living in one.

Hispanic is not a "made up United States term." Actually "Hispanic" was coined by the leaders of Spain suggesting to countries of Latin America that they are united by a common underlying Hispanic culture and should continue cultural and economic ties instead of them building greater bridges with the Anglo-Saxon world. Hispanic comes from a Latin word I think, that the ancient Romans referred to the Iberian region.

I disagree. The use of it as a "race" was created in the US. The whole "latino" identity was also created there. Hispanico would have the same weight as Lusófono, which means someone that speaks portuguese and is usually used to refer to all countries that use that language, never it is used with a racial connotation or for some homogeneous group of people.

My friends are black, white, brown and yellow, so are my kids friends, personaly, it is they way I want my kids brought up.

I call those "family".

I'm hispanic...so I can't be proud of my heritage? Didn't Hitler try and precursor the race he invisioned too? Interesting comparison... BIG questions...as a hispanic, am I less of a person than you? I tend to judge people based on their accomplishements and contributions, you tend to judge people on the type of blood that runs through their veins. A bit of a Nazi strategy isn't it?

Why don't just call yourself american? What's wrong with being just american? Some people call other racists, but look! They call themselves something else in their own countries! Why is that?

Unfortunately knowledge and experience isn't passed through genes, so whatever "heritage" you think you might have will mean nothing if you don't live the culture. The only culture you live, and I mean live and not pass a few weeks when on vacation, is the american one.

The aspect of self-improvement and growth of those ideas is something everyone should do, so I don't understand your comparison with Nazis. The lifecycle must go on, the child called Brazil must wake up and learn that he is no longer a child and need to walk with his own two legs. This is evolution. Now, a bunch of racists inventing "oppressed minorities", creating divisions where there aren't any, are simply trying to murder that child before it can do anything!

Je suis un human d'etre. I am a human being and at thirty thousand feet flying at 600mph I am meely myself a citizen of Earth, and in a thunderstorm quite content to be and or land anywhere. Division is a product of either too much time or not enought to do. The brotherhood of the cave of the clan of the block of the Favela is the nature of the species. We are a tribal organism. Like most primates we exist best in groups, the sharing of knowledge and the identification of units has a survival advantage. It is human nature to feel kinship, uniqueness, separation, klan. That is the genetic runing through our veins, but modern man, global man, space man, universal man, man separated from mother Earth has evolved into an almost Shamanic state. Those that never leave the neighborhood of block, or race, or color or religion feel a comfortability whose origins are a genetically primitive throwback to when it served a biological and survival principal. New Yorkers are great example of the block, clan mentality. 'Hey' where ya from. Queens yeh I got a cousin from Queens, I live in Manhattan. Most people never travel fifty miles from where they grow up. Most people never travel inter continentally. They live and die in their neighboorhood. Along with their thoughts.

Now we may miss the food, the smells of our upbringings, the sounds the rhythms, but these are preferential, their are consequences of birth. We learn to identify to like, to love what we are through time familiar with. When I was a child I was forced to eat tongue, my friends were having weiners and hamburgers, but I was having tongue or liver and onions, or gafilte fish (ugh), or borcht. I was not intested in Yiddish I was interested in Jazz, in fast English sports cars, in James Bond.

It is I fear nothing more than a matter of taste and if you tear the skin off any off us we are all the same muscle and bone. And if you peel back the layers of psychological skin we are all the same screaming needy babies, with all the same Jungian archytypes runing around our brains manifesting the same human. Their is only one Human and he is each of us. In an ephiphany you may come to realize that. There is only one man and he is us.

There is only the temporal illusion of difference. The illusion of difference is merely conditioning. Its function a genetic throwback of survival.

A Rhodesian told me a native story once of how all the tribes had gathered to seek the great waters of truth and life. They had all agreed they would set out in the morning together, but one tribe set out before the others. One of the qualities of the magic waters was that it turned the skin white. When this tribe arrived to the lake of these magic waters the dove and swam and drank their full. By the time the last of the tribes had arrived to these magic waters their was but little of the magic water left. Their was only enough to wet their palms, their lips and the bottoms of their feet.

It was the first African story of myth that I had heard. I thought it intersting.

Their is another Latin saying, 'digustibus non est disp**andum' there is no disputing taste. We like what we like, we like what we are familiar with, we prefer our mothers to others and my dad can beat your dad. But this is the consciousness of children. But we are no longer children, though we still cling to childish things. And there are some Thai foods that I gag when I am required to eat and smile politely.

I like refried beans, and a good pastrami on rye with mustard. I prefer scotch to rye, and Bordeaux to Chablis. I prefer cotton to polyester, the changing of the seasons to the constancy of the Hawaiian sun. I am more at home under the water than above. And I prefer the solitiude on a mountaintop at sunset to the cacophany of neon lights in New York.

I am interested in how we are the same. Differences are appearance, apparition. Universality, science is what of interest. All babies are the same, they are dependent, afraid, feel loneliness and hunger for the love and embrace of another. How soon we forget.

Yeah, I'm hispanic, 1/2 Mexican to be exact, loved my mother, proud of my heritage. In this great country, we not only have the ability to create wealth for ourselves and our families, our politcial clout and power continues to grow. Miami is a city run by Cubans, LA, Denver and Phoenix, run by my brothers and sisters, even Chicago and Boston are becoming browner and browner. Why do you think the Senate is about to pass an Immigration Bill that will include amnesty? Why will Bush sign it? It's just a few short months away...they all want to get relected. Rednecks are done, finished, as are the so called Red States, our next President will be a women or even Black...in a country only a couple of hundred years old...while yours tries to live in it's slave trader past.

Buddy, hispanics in the U.S. are GREATLY under represented in correlation to their population in the U.S. The Jews on the other hand are over represented in regards to their population. The fact of the matter is in the U.S. WASPS run the game and have most of the marbles and it's gonna be like that for the rest of our lives.

I recently had the craving for "a good pastrami on rye with mustard"
found something similar on Black Bread at Joe & Leo's restaurant in Sampa,
AES you might go there in Rio, if you get a hankerin for the like.
I went to their website, it was not on the Menu, perhaps it was a special, might still be?
http://www.joeleos.com.br/
Bone Appetit...

In closing:

I am happy that we live in a world with such diversity. How boring and bland it would be if all flowers were the same design or the same color, smelled the same, all mountains were the same height, all fish were the same size and tasted the same. All humans were the same color, had the same likes and dislikes, same culture. And GOD forbid no Mexican food! etc.

Now this would certainly be a design of thoughtless evolution.

An Englishman, Frenchman, Mexican, and Texan were flying across country on a small plane when the pilot comes on the loud speaker and says " We're having mechanical problems and the only way we can make it to the next airport is for 3 of you to open the door and jump, at least one of you can survive".

The four open the door and look out below.

The Englishman takes a deep breath and hollers "God Save The Queen" and jumps.

The Frenchman gets really inspired and hollers "Viva La France" and he also jumps.

This really pumps up the Texan so he hollers "Remember the Alamo" and he grabs the Mexican and throws him out of the plane.

The Englishman takes a deep breath and hollers "God Save The Queen" and jumps.

The Frenchman gets really inspired and hollers "Viva La France" and he also jumps.

This really pumps up the Texan so he hollers "Remember the Alamo" and he grabs the Mexican and throws him out of the plane

The first time I heard this joke, I just LMAO.Thanks for narrating it again.

The first time I heard this joke, I just LMAO.Thanks for narrating it again.

Big John this joke is a classic, one that has been around a long time.
It should be updated to where the Englishman throws out the French Guy and says remember Waterloo!

I am happy that we live in a world with such diversity. How boring and bland it would be if all flowers were the same design or the same color, smelled the same, all mountains were the same height, all fish were the same size and tasted the same. All humans were the same color, had the same likes and dislikes, same culture. And GOD forbid no Mexican food! etc.

This is nonsense. The same class of nonsense some people say, that "racism" is a mechanism created by nature to maximize the odds of your offspring to survive. This is a rationalization in order to justify your problems, just like obese people that blame genetics for being obese.

Living in a truly multicultural society, not the bulls**t you have there, you end up not seeing any of that, even identifying yourself with different people. Not for a fraction of a second I thought anything like "hey, that guy looks different, so he is not like me and I should "praise" (or whatever is politically correct) his culture (?)".

As a matter of fact I have to the conclusion that people that see "cultures" and "races", and can't relate to any of them, like imagining himself in the place of the other individual, are those that aren't used to multiculturality at all. Such things are like mental blocks to them, the person can't see beyond that.

I am happy that we live in a world with such diversity. How boring and bland it would be if all flowers were the same design or the same color, smelled the same, all mountains were the same height, all fish were the same size and tasted the same. All humans were the same color, had the same likes and dislikes, same culture. And GOD forbid no Mexican food! etc.

This is a rationalization in order to render validity to the american culture, which, in my opinion, is unnatural. The same type of rationalization that some people use to justify "racism", arguing that it is some device created by nature (?) for increasing the odds of the survival of your offspring, or of obese people, blaming genetics for their obesity.

Living in a truly multicultural society, not what you have there, I can say that you don't see differences as some determinant factor. I never thought for a fraction of a second "hey, that guy looks different, so he is not like me and I should "praise" (or whatever is politically correct) his culture (?)". This kind of thinking must be reality for those not really used to see different people that often.

One of the most blatant evidences of this limitation of the american culture is the notion of "role model". If people chose some philosopher or writer from a different time, or some great leader from some other time I would understand, but their choices has to do with race or gender. Why a woman can only have another woman as a role model, and a black just another black, and so on? That's ilogical. In Brazil we don't have such thing as "role model", and if we had I would probably choose some writer or philosopher from the antiquity that had absolutely nothing to do with Brazil or with the current state of the world.

This is a rationalization in order to render validity to the american culture, which, in my opinion, is unnatural.

Your cork fell out mate! You popped a circuit, blew a fuse.
Your feminine side has cancelled out you masculine side, you are going hyper-Nova.
In an instant you have became blind and are rambling like a Madman.
Get off your Campinas Soapbox, throw away the Cool-aid.
If you do not behave yourself, we will have to unleash CHC,c on your arse!
Be forewarned!

This frere bosteth that he knoweth helle,
And God it woot, that it is litel wonder;
Freres and feendes been but lyte asonder.
For, pardee, ye han ofte tyme herd telle
How that a frere ravyshed was to helle
In spirit ones by a visioun;
And as an angel ladde hym up and doun,
To shewen hym the peynes that the were,
In al the place saugh he nat a frere;
Of oother folk he saugh ynowe in wo.
Unto this angel spak the frere tho:
Now, sire, quod he, han freres swich a grace
That noon of hem shal come to this place?
Yis, quod this aungel, many a millioun!
And unto sathanas he ladde hym doun.
--And now hath sathanas,--seith he,--a tayl
Brodder than of a carryk is the sayl.
Hold up thy tayl, thou sathanas!--quod he;
--shewe forth thyn ers, and lat the frere se
Where is the nest of freres in this place!--
And er that half a furlong wey of space,
Right so as bees out swarmen from an hyve,
Out of the develes ers ther gonne dryve
Twenty thousand freres on a route,
And thurghout helle swarmed al aboute,
And comen agayn as faste as they may gon,
And in his ers they crepten everychon.
He clapte his tayl agayn and lay ful stille.

Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote,
And bathed every veyne in swich licour
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan Zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the Ram his half cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open ye
(So priketh hem Nature in hir corages),
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
And specially from every shires ende
Of Engelond to Caunterbury they wende,
The hooly blisful martir for to seke,
That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.

Flee fro the prees and dwelle with sothfastnesse;
Suffyce unto thy thing, though it be smal,
For hord hath hate, and climbing tikelnesse,
Prees hath envye, and wele blent overal.
Savour no more than thee bihove shal,
Reule wel thyself that other folk canst rede,
And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.
Tempest thee noght al croked to redresse
In trust of hir that turneth as a bal;
Gret reste stant in litel besinesse.
Be war therfore to sporne ayeyns an al,
Stryve not, as doth the crokke with the wal.
Daunte thyself, that dauntest otheres dede,
And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.

The wrastling for this world axeth a fal.
Her is non hoom, her nis but wildernesse:
Forth, pilgrim, forth! Forth, beste, out of thy stal!
Know thy contree, look up, thank God of al;
Hold the heye wey and lat thy gost thee lede,
And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.

Envoy

Therfore, thou Vache, leve thyn old wrecchednesse;
Unto the world leve now to be thral.
Crye him mercy, that of his hy goodnesse
Made thee of noght, and in especial
Draw unto him, and pray in general
For thee, and eek for other, hevenlich mede;
And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.

Truth

Ballade of Good Counsel

Flee from the crowd and dwell with truth;
Be happy with your possessions, though they are small,
For avarice has hate, and climbing instability,
The crowd has envy, and are blind overall.
Savor no more than you shall behold,
Rule yourself well so that other folk can see,
And truth you shall deliver, there is no reason to fear.

Don't trouble yourself with fixing things that are wrong
That are in the trust of Fortune and her wheel;
Much rest stands in little work.
Beware therefore of again kicking an awl (that will wound your foot if you kick it),
Strive not as the crock does with the wall (the crock will break if it strikes a wall).
Rule yourself, and overcome others' deeds,
And truth you shall deliver, there is no reason to fear.

What you are sent, recieve with obedience;
The fighting over this world is for nothing.
This is not your home, this is nothing but wilderness:
Forth, pilgrim, forth! Forth, beast, out of your stall!
Stick to the high road and let your spirit lead you,
And truth you shall deliver, there is no reason to fear.

Envoy

Therefore, Sir Philip de la Vache, leave your old wretchedness;
Leave this world from which you are enslaved.
Cry mercy to Him, that of his goodness
Made thee out of nothing, and especially
Draw to him, and pray in general
For yourself, and also for others, heavenly rewards;
And truth you shall deliver, there is no reason to fear.

Here ends the good counsel of G. Chaucer

I have the impression you and your friend AES are misinterpreting my text with some sort of "need to be equal". If that's the case then I would like to make sure that this is your misinterpretation.

No, we don't need it because we can be better and, besides, people aren't equals. Are you equal to a rapist? Neither am I. So taking into consideration that the good and the evil exist and aren't relative to something else (like some would like believe), and our actions will inevitably fall in one of those two cases, I think some are indeed better than others.

The problem I observed in your little text is that it contained some implications that you might not be aware of. Biologically "races" don't exist, what exist are variations in the genetic code that could cause physical or mental differences, and that might grouped by different ethniticies or populations from a given place. Such things are pure data, without any judgement of value associated with them. They exist regardless of what you think, of what I think or of what some KKK or Afro-Nazi member thinks.

Having established that basic concept, we can define the other about the social construct "race" is, and it will vary through time and place, because it depends on a social, economical and historical context.

So it's important to differentiate between what an american believes to be, for example, an "hispanic", which is entirely dependent on the local context and it doesn't exist phisically, and what is really in the genes.

It is known by sociologists that "race" (as in social context) and "culture" aren't the same thing or limited by each other. You don't carry the "culture" in your genes. The archetypes that eventually might be carried (just using my imagination a little, hehe), if you consider the Jungian collective unconscious (is this how it is written in English?) idea, are common for all humans because it stems since humans were very primitive.

With those two concepts clear we can assert with a 100% certainty that GTY is a 100% american and he should be proud of that.

So by "recognizing" a world where "diversity" in the sense of "different colors and cultures" is good, willingly or not, is the same as binding the social context with genetics and extending it worldwide. Which would lend validity to some very old and not quite accurate ideas.

If you can prove how "race" (as americans think of it) and "race" (as in biology) are connected and match then I would like to see it.

Since culture is not bound or limited to any people or race the approach I defend is of seeing them from a superior ground (in the sense of a battle), watch it, analyze it, judge it (attributing values is characteristic of higher natures) and take ownership of it. So a new culture for a new people can be shaped taking the best of all others. Even so without a solid basis it would be a mess, so I think christian basis would be the closest we can get to a solid base.

If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would
appear to man as it is, infinite. —William Blake


"We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude. Sensations, feelings, insights, fancies—all these are private and, except through symbols and at second hand, incommunicable. We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves. From family to nation, every human group is a society of island universes.
Most island universes are sufficiently like one another to Permit of inferential understanding or even of mutual empathy or "feeling into." Thus, remembering our own bereavements and humiliations, we can condole with others in analogous circumstances, can put ourselves (always, of course, in a slightly Pickwickian sense) in their places. But in certain cases communication between universes is incomplete or even nonexistent. The mind is its own place, and the Places inhabited by the insane and the exceptionally gifted are so different from the places where ordinary men and women live, that there is little or no common ground of memory to serve as a basis for understanding or fellow feeling. Words are uttered, but fail to enlighten. The things and events to which the symbols refer belong to mutually exclusive realms of experience."

The Doors of Perception
Aldous Huxley
The Doors of Perception was first published in Great Britain by
Chatto & Windus Ltd 1954. ©Mrs. Laura Huxley 1954

Poetic, but contradicts reality. Whatever context might be it is subject to interpretation and assimilation, if it is so desirable.

Observe the use of the word "assimilation". The same way you won't become a cow by eating an hamburger, assimilating other cultures won't turn you into them, and it is not desirable because it would only slow down the process of "becoming who you are", the process of individuation.

Being a country built by immigration it's only right that we do it.

So if you assimilate head hunting you are not a head hunter?

And if you decide to assimilate slavery does it not make you a slaver?

And if you assimilate mysogeny does that not make you mysogenistic?

Who does all the determining of what will be assimilated? The market place, the dictator, the proletariate, the educated?

What is the criteria for assimilation? It it codified, written down? Is it absolute?

Is it majority rules?

BRAZIL....as usual shows just one side of the coin.
- It doesnt give the country crime rate, one of the highest in the world, at over 28 per 100'000 capita !
- Minais Gerai crime rate is up over 70 % in just a few years.
- 50 % of the brazilian youths deaths, aged 15-24, is due do violent death ! If you know just 1 other similar country...please name it and provide your sources !
- Assuming a base of 1 for UK (in crime rate), the USA would get 4 and Brazil 28. Or said otherwise, USA has 4 times the crime rate of UK per 100'000 capita, and Brazil
has 28 more times crime rate than UK, and 6,5 times more the USA crime rate !!!!!!

And the above sources are from articles......IN THIS SITE !!!!!!!!!!

As to the French slums, sorry junkies, they are like a 5 stars hotel when compared to the 600 favelas in Rio alone, many more in SP, and worse yet.....they are palaces...when compared to the slums in Brazil Northeast !!!!!!!
Millions and millions of Brazilians are living...in HUTS !!!!!!
And to my knowledge these people are NOT immigrants, but Brazilians....born in Brazil...for several generations.

Dont you remember your world ranking on wealth inequality ??????
Around 10th.....FROM THE BOTTOM !!!!!!

Curious too, that some Brazilians Governemental Agencies and Ministries, can figure out relatively precisely the crime rate, but NEVER EVER the crime rate OF INNOCENTS by Your Police Forces and Your Deaths Squads.
Just re-read the recent article in this site concerning the arrest of a death squad in Recife :THEY KILLED AROUND 3 TO 5 INNOCENTS, INCLUDING MANY CHILDREN....WEEKLY !
Total 150 to 250....Yearly !
The "cost" to kill : between US$ 500.- to US$ 2500.-

Ohhhh...and that is only 1 death squad within many many many.....all over Brazil !!!!!!!!!

[quoteLAUGH....LAUGH....LAUGH !!!!!!
written by ch.c., 2007-05-21 19:51:14]

Where the hell did you land from? I am quite busy reading all the comments (as well as the brothels in Geneva) and now you come from nowhere.

And I told you not to scream and yell at us, by using upper case letters. Dont your fine schools in Swaziland teach you this basic courtesy while typing?

Give me a break for a couple of hours,because I am very busy decoding the secret messages received from Prof and AES. Rmember that I am an uneducated and uncouth Brazilian.

Ah, I forgot to add something. This evening I had a Consultation with my personal physician and as usual, she delayed my appointment for almost half an hour.While waiting, I read an article in a magazine that was talking about Sex Tourism in Brazil. What was shocking was that Eyetalians , Germans,Dutch and you Swiss are all involved in it.I was quite disappointed in your people.In fact you Europeans seem to love and encourage child prostitution.

You seem to be a man of good character,intelligent and well read. Should write letters to the Newspapers in Switzerland and complain about the Bald Europeans over 50s coming to our country with the sole intention of enslaving our children and taking them to the Bordellos of Europe.

This frere bosteth that he knoweth helle,
And God it woot, that it is litel wonder;
Freres and feendes been but lyte asonder.
For, pardee, ye han ofte tyme herd telle
How that a frere ravyshed was to helle
In spirit ones by a visioun;

I am getting somewhere in translating it. Irish ,right?

Aldous Huxley? Poor João has read him also when he was a around 16 years, though he forgot what he read.

I dont know if you two ignorant folks have ever heard of "My Fair Lady". If not, better start researching what I am talking about. .

Just waite Mr.Iggins

it is Middle English, it is Canterbury Tales, and Geoffrey Chaucer. It is very high English, both in philosophic content and in the requirement necessary to read and fathom this ancient form of English. Chaucer is an academic requirement. Middle English is a requirement in some universities to degree in literature. Huxley's Doors to the Gates of Perception were more than read, that were lived, written. Its inclusion had more to do with high English religious thought and a response to the mock intellectual prating of A. Brazilian.

"Syngenta acts as though Brazil is its backyard and the Brazilian people its vassal. When the Judicial Power refuses to see and consider this sad reality, and decides for the return of property in favor of Syngenta, it shows once again its dominant, bourgeoisie, elitist, exclusive, anti-democratic, and violent face. Or, rather, its historic face: conservative, anti-popular, at the service of the rich. A powerful rein which impedes us from creating a sovereign nation and people."

[it is Middle English, it is Canterbury Tales, and Geoffrey Chaucer. It is very high English, both in philosophic content and in the requirement necessary to read and fathom this ancient form of English. Chaucer is an academic requirement. Middle English is a requirement in some universities to degree in literature. Huxley's Doors to the Gates of Perception were more than read, that were lived, written. Its inclusion had more to do with high English religious thought and a response to the mock intellectual prating of A. Brazilian. /quote]

Thanks AES. I am a little chagrined and ashamed that I forgot the Canterbury Tales.Years ago, I used to read them in English and also the Shakespeare.The best plays of Bill Shakespeare that I enjoyed were "The Mid Summer Night´s Dream" and "King Lear" (did I get the names correctly?). I can never forget the phrase in the former :"The Most Lamentable Comedy".

When you get to see Shakspeare plays, it takes you to your youth.

BTY, I wasnt too fond of Aldous Huxley (a bit too difficult to understand)

written by ch.c., 2007-05-21 19:51:14
BRAZIL....as usual shows just one side of the coin.
- It doesnt give the country crime rate, one of the highest in the world, at over 28 per 100'000 capita !

I believe the title of the article is Brazil: The Unsung Story of São Paulo's Dramatic Murder Rate Drop.

So the article should keep to the point of Sao Paulo (in this case the state) and not the whole damn country of Brazil.

As usual, you show you are a one sided coin. The reduction in the homicide rate in Sao Paulo state is praise worthy news.

Ch.c: It seems you are part of the problem not the solution.

You are right indeed.Syngenta has gotten into a big trouble with the state of Parana whose Governor is proud to be a Brazilian and he is a good dentist too.To take up against Roberto,forget it.Personally, I like him and think he has lots of balls.

Poetic, but contradicts reality. Whatever context might be it is subject to interpretation and assimilation, if it is so desirable.

Ab you are hereby notified to cease and desist from any activity in relation to assimilation and/or eating of people or cú-ltures. CH,c is the only one authorized to perform said function by order of the Riksdag!

"We are The Ch,c's, lower your pants and surrender your orifice. Your biological and musical distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your Cú will adapt to service us. Resistance Is Futilely sexy."

This evening I had a Consultation with my personal physician

So what did the Doc say? are you "inteirinho da silva", da Silva?
FALA!

This frere bosteth that he knoweth helle,
And God it woot, that it is litel wonder;
Freres and feendes been but lyte asonder.
For, pardee, ye han ofte tyme herd telle
How that a frere ravyshed was to helle
In spirit ones by a visioun;

João, the current English version follows:
This friar boasts that he knows hell,
And God knows that it is little wonder;
Friars and fiends are seldom far apart.
For, by God, you have ofttimes heard tell
How a ravished friar went to hell
In spirit, once by a vision;
And as an angel led him up and down,
To show him the pains that were there,
In the whole place he saw not one friar;
He saw enough of other folk in woe.
To the angel spoke the friar thus:
"Now sir," said he, "Are friars in such good grace
That none of them come to this place?"
"Yes," answered the angel, "many a million!"
And the angel led him down to Satan.
He said, "And Satan has a tail,
Broader than a large ship's sail.
Hold up your tail, Satan!" he ordered.
"Show your arse, and let the friar see
Where the nest of friars is in this place!"
And before half a furlong of space,
Just as bees swarm from a hive,
Out of the devil's arse there drove
Twenty thousand friars on a route,
And they swarmed all over hell,
And came again as fast as they had gone,
And every one crept back into his arse.
He clapped his tail again and lay very still

Servants Poor Professor Higgins!
Poor Professor Higgins! Night and day
He slaves away! Oh, poor Professor Higgins!
All day long On his feet; Up and down until he's numb;
Doesn't rest; Doesn't eat;
Doesn't touch a crumb! Poor Professor Higgins!
Poor Professor Higgins! On he plods Against all odds;
Oh, poor Professor Higgins! Nine p.m. Ten p.m.
On through midnight ev'ry night.
One a.m. Two a.m. Three...! Quit, Professor Higgins!
Quit, Professor Higgins! Hear our plea
Or payday we Will quit, Professor Higgins!
Ay not I, O not Ow, Pounding pounding in our brain.
Ay not I, O not Ow, Don't say "Rine," say "Rain"...
Eliza The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
Henry By George, she's got it! By George, she's got it!
Now, once again where does it rain? Eliza On the plain!
On the plain! Henry And where's that soggy plain?
Eliza In Spain! In Spain! The three
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain! Henry
In Hartford, Hereford, and Hampshire...?
Eliza Hurricanes hardly happen.
How kind of you to let me come! Henry
Now once again, where does it rain?
Eliza On the plain! On the plain! Henry
And where's that blasted plain?
Eliza In Spain! In Spain! The three
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!

So what did the Doc say? are you "inteirinho da silva", da Silva?
FALA!

Thanks for asking. I dont like to go the doctors to consult them professionally.However, I couldnt escape this trip,as it was fixed by my beloved wife (all prearranged) and the good lady doctor screamed and yelled at us that both of us are in good shape.The worst thing my misses did was to call me a "Cagão" and the doctor endorsed her view whole heartedly.Too many women calling me a "Cagão". Unacceptable .However, this doctor knows all about the Swiss medicine and has spent sometime in the backwater called "U.S.of A".

In a nutshell, we do have some good doctors,in spite of Ch.c. screaming and yelling to the contrary.

I do not blame you for being a "Cagão" them Doctors are packing knives!
I see from your earlier posts that you seem to be a feisty old F*ck today!
I thought for a moment you were gonna open up a Tall can of Texas whoop
Ass on our Swiss Borg.
Being that you got a clean bill of health, consider it a licence to drink Ethanol as liberally as you please, it would be courteous of you to pour one for the misses as well. Mazal Tov!

A tribute to Poor João's memory loss.

Thanks buddy. A friend in need is a friend indeed (for stimulating my brains).One favor deserves another. I dont know if you and AES know, the best baked beans in this country can be made of "Jalo" beans.These beans are available in all the supermarkets. Jalo is truly national and developed by EMBRAPA.I love these beans more than the black beans.Soak Jalo for 24 hours and cook it with salt until it becomes soft.It is ready to be baked with all kind of good things.

If you guys need any recipe, I am at your service.

btw, I am eating Jalo for the past 2 days and polluting the atmosphere with CO 2

So you are a Jolo (jolly) Fellar, I was. I ate them for years, I am currently taking a break and eating the Carioca type. It has a better harmonic tone, no smell, dry and makes sort of a Shhhhhhhhhh sound ever so Cariocaly.
More than than that they are low in C02 emissions.

QUESTION: Why did the Irishman only put 239 beans in his bean soup?
ANSWER (in best Irish brogue): Because he didn't want it to be too-farty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ed&search=

Galaxy song
written by Professor, 2007-05-22 02:06:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDkyR_rGrqU&mode=related&search=

Thanks for the tanslation,indication of the web site and the modified version of the song from "My fair Lady". I think during one of the cold winter week ends, I am going to watch that movie again and eat Pop Corn.

I am my dear Joao more inclined to Casablanca, Bogart, The Maltie Falcon, Phillip Marlow, and the general black and white film noire of post war realism, vs the technicolor disney esqueness of the age of musicals, merde.

None the less their is a taste for all seasons and a man to sit at the table, guess whose coming to dinner?
It aint Mary Poppins or Phaedra. West Side Story is as close to the genre as I have cared to tap dance.

May I suggest Dr. Strange Love and How I learned To Love The Bomb.

Enjoy the flic.

I am going to watch that movie again and eat Pop Corn.

Just be careful because Pop Corn can also contribute to the Green House
effect. For example: "Wow, it was hotter than a popcorn fart today."
Pop Corn Farts give off a higher heat than Bean Farts for example, thus the expression. Which by the way, can cause rectal hemorrhage if forced out with excessive exertion, especially if consumed with a large glass of Coca-Cola which
acts as a propellant.
May your journey be fruitful.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2siVbVti9I

Prof: On teaching ravens to fly underwater, Beyond the Fringe, father of Monty Python et al '66
written by aes, 2007-05-22 17:17:47

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2siVbVti9I

A nice classic, also with Dudley Moore! Epitaph to science. "My life has been a miserable failure". I am so depressed!

I like "how to tell a witch".
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

or

Philosophers' World Cup.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck

I am my dear Joao more inclined to Casablanca, Bogart, The Maltie Falcon, Phillip Marlow, and the general black and white film noire of post war realism, vs the technicolor disney esqueness of the age of musicals, merde.

My dear AES, you would be surprised to know that I do have Casablanca (a parting gift from my Texie friend), "Lawrence of Arabia", "The Sound of Music",etc;

I concur with ya, the black and white movies were bloody marvelous.One movie I taped was "24 hours high" and I still have it.It is one of the most beutiful B & W movies I have ever seen. The main actor was Gregory Peck who also acted in "McKenna´s Gold". I think I have that too.

I have seen "West Side Story" too. Another great movie. From yester years.

I dont know if you and Prof have seen another great movie I enjoyed. The "Sand Pebbles". Richard Crenna and Candy bergen (I think) along with Steve McQueen (Forget about my spelling,Prof says it is phonetically correct).

Thanks for rekindling the good memories of the past.

Hey Professor, Gilligan and AES...get a room, you guys should start your own gay chat line. What a bunch of homos' geez, what is up with you guys, Jolly this and good fellow that.

AES starts his messages "to my dear Joao", the Professor refers to them "his Jolly fellows" Joao just wants to have his nose in someones white Gringo ass, but only a white American or Canadian ass, now dirty European asses. I am sure his standing doctors appointments are for a prostrate check, I am sure Joao's doctor has fingers as thick a brawtwurst.

He states he likes the Governer of Parana because he has "balls", I'll be he dreams of them hanging from his chin. Come on out of the closet boys!

Shut up Gary.Dont disturb me.I am meditating.I suggest you do it too, Will come back and talk to ya after supper.I am watching the f**king Novela that your Mom-in-Law loves.When are going to fly her back to Rio?

Hey Professor, Gilligan and AES...get a room, you guys should start your own gay chat line.

Good timing we are looking for a good hand to be our pivot man, since we know that you are qualified, you are hired!
Might want to pick up some viagra for poor João at work if you get a chance.

Sorry Professor, think I'll pass this time.

Might want to pick up some viagra for poor João at work if you get a chance.

Viagra made in Switzerland? Forget it.Never forget that GTY likes cheap Viagra made in China.It may not get his pecker up,like the one made in Botsowanaland,but there again, no Viagra will do for him. GTY is a gone case. Coitadinho is coming to Brazil to find out if he still fucntions as a man. btw, GTY is a good kid and I am sure he will get along great with Ch.c

Sorry Professor, think I'll pass this time.

You are shirking from your responsibilities? When given an important task, you seem to run like a rat.

Joao meditates and watches Novelas...how gay is that? He is eating his "supper" is there a gayer word for dinner.

Don't have any interest in being the "pivot man" in your circle jerk. Sorry, your gonna have to use Forest for that.

Next, why would I want to pick up some Viagra for "poor Joao"? It must really upset you when you get him all hot and he can't perform. There is a big Pizer plant in Sao Paulo, they ARE a customer of mine and they manufacturer only Viagra, I am sure you can get Joao a sample that will leave you holding your ass after a few Skols. You guys really are a shipwreck.

Yes by all means leave style, you know that litterary style of civility. There are other forms of style, for example GTY you ignorant f**k. Or you f**king ignorant cunt. It is of course odd to speak of Boggart or Casablanca or Hemmingway, but for me it was in response to the absurdity of f**king Mary Poppins Musicals, or the musical myth of Pygmalion and Galatea, adapted by the quintiscential fag George Bernard Shaw. But there are ways of saying things by inference, it is called in psych therapy a carrom shot, it is a way of saying to some one something that they have defensive walls in which if you speak to them directly you will not be heard. So you say something like Northridge State College is attended by those that cannot get into a good Junior College.

The opening. . .'I am my dear Joao' is a polite opening to what will follow a kind of aesthetic criticism.
It is a litterary form of respect, rather then your projected endearment.

It would be as if I wrote 'I am my dear GTY by the increadible boring jeuvenile penial references that you are with insufferable constancy incapable of not uttering. It is childish, beyond childish, mindlessly boring to listen to the same adolescent sexual crap that fills nearly the entirety of your diatribe.

There are many ways of saying something, sometimes you have to hit a horse over the head with a two by four to get its attention. Then there is the Appalacian aphorism that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

You are a schizophrenic enigma, at times lucid on the level of Steve Forbes and others the style and wit of Cal Worthington.

Anyway thanks for the tips on fishing. Spoke to my son last night. He wrecked his BMW hitting a guard railing avoiding a tire in the road. The following day a car was on fire on the San Diego Freeway. He stopped to rescue the lady and pull her from the burning vehicle. As he got out of his car he saw a car skidding sideways at 65mph along the grass medium, he jumped over the hood and the car hit where he had just been standing. Then on the next day he was scuba diving and thought it would be amusing to blow some 02 into a can and at 40 feet below the surface let it rise to the surface and explode, unfortunately while he was blowing 02 into the can he breathed some water and nearly drowned. He received his final divorce decree at the begining of the week and I tried to explain to him that we do things to ourselves unconsciously, and that when we begin to run into the universe it is essential to look twice before changing lanes, lest we kill our selves.

And here you are talking about getting a room, or dreaming of balls. For a successful businessman I cannot imagine you in a discussion with Forbes or Gates or Warren Buffet.

You are either civilized or not, a gentleman or not, a pindejo or a chemical engineer from U.S.C.

Your language at times gives neither credit to your education or your described economic erudition.

Perhaps there are two of you. In either case one of you does not bring honor to the other.

Right again. We are on Gilligan´s Island

"Anyway thanks for the tips on fishing. Spoke to my son last night. He wrecked his BMW hitting a guard railing avoiding a tire in the road. The following day a car was on fire on the San Diego Freeway. He stopped to rescue the lady and pull her from the burning vehicle. As he got out of his car he saw a car skidding sideways at 65mph along the grass medium, he jumped over the hood and the car hit where he had just been standing. Then on the next day he was scuba diving and thought it would be amusing to blow some 02 into a can and at 40 feet below the surface let it rise to the surface and explode, unfortunately while he was blowing 02 into the can he breathed some water and nearly drowned. He received his final divorce decree at the begining of the week and I tried to explain to him that we do things to ourselves unconsciously, and that when we begin to run into the universe it is essential to look twice before changing lanes, lest we kill our selves. "

Geez, pretty bad string for your kid, kind of puts things in perspective. Sounds like he might slow down a bit. He should be comended for stopping to help the women. Scolded for removing his regulator at 40 feet, remind him of his PADY classes, he promised to dive safely. I am glad he was not badly hurt. the 405 or 5 is not a place you want to stop on if you can help it. Also might want to trade the Beamer in for a Hummer, wife has the 325i and I hate it, not enough car.

The other stuff, a bit of fun. Joao has not been totally accurate regarding the nature and inuendo of his past posts, especially his references to my mothers race and my culture. I enjoy bantering with the Professor. I still don't know what the Professor has a PhD in. I'll take it back, you guys don't need to start a gay chat room, a couple of you might be guys I'd like to hang out and drink a beer with.

By the way, Cal State Northridge is a great school.

The opening. . .'I am my dear Joao' is a polite opening to what will follow a kind of aesthetic criticism.
It is a litterary form of respect, rather then your projected endearment.

If I were you, I wouldnt even bother to explain to GTY about these polite things. I dont think he has ever heard of Sherlok Holmes, Shakespeare,Mary Poppins (Chim,Chimney....),Bernard Shaw, Winston Churchill (or for that matter Tony Blair or Maggie Thatcher).

Ignorance is a bliss, especially in GTY´s case.

I hope your son is bouncing back into good spirits after all the ordeal. All the best to him.

It's "Sherlock" Holmes, not much for Shakespeare, but love Hemmingway, after all he was a hard partying, fisherman who is still a legend in my part of the country. I like to have a drink or three at his old haunts in the Keys, I swear he is still there on some days, mostly those hot summer days when the tourists are gone and the tarpon are running. I like Robert Luis Stevenson and Longfellow, but prefer things a bit more modern now (easier?) now, never let a Ludlum book get away, Clancy has a specal appeal, and Stephen King is remarkable and Cussler is something else, he really does own as many cars as Dirk.

I loved Thatcher, Blair is OK, I really like Howard, but also find Chavez and Urbie interesting. Lula bores me, as does every current US Presidental candidate, although I am waiting to find out more about Fred Thompson.

Racism is breed by ignorance...if the shoe fits...wear it.

never let a Ludlum book get away, Clancy has a specal appeal, and Stephen King is remarkable and Cussler is something else, he really does own as many cars as Dirk.

You read Robert Ludlum? Remarkable. I did too. I have read almost all the books of Clancey. One or two Stephen King and just one of Cussler.I have read Foresythe too.One of my favorite writers is Peter Clavell (English) and I wonder if you three (you,AES and Prof) remember his books.

I dont remember well,but one of Ludlum´s books (was it Holcroft´s Covenent?) was made into a movie and the main actor was Michael Caine.

Give Grisham a try I you haven't already. What's remarkable? That a Mexican can read?

You are a schizophrenic enigma, at times lucid on the level of Steve Forbes and others the style and wit of Cal Worthington.

Cal Worthington....ouch
You gone an got all rilled up if you had to mention that name!
I wonder if they have the best of Cal Worthington on DVD?

Roses're red and violets're purple and sugar's sweet and so is maple syrple
Well I'm seventh out of seven sons My pappy's a pistol I'm a son of a gun
Dang me dang me they oughta take rope and hang me
High from the highest tree woman would you weep for me?

If I'd killed you when I'd met you I'd be out of jail by now.

Give Grisham a try I you haven't already

Thanks for the suggestion.

What's remarkable?

I meant to say that it is remarkable that at least we both share something in common re books, in spite of our eternal differences over other issues.

That a Mexican can read?

I never said the Mexicans couldnt read. Besides, you are an All American Alpha male from sunny Southern California!

Go see Cal...Go see Cal...Go see Cal.

A pirate walked into a bar and the bartender said, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened? You look terrible."

"What do you mean?" said the pirate, "I feel fine."

Bartender: "What about the wooden leg?! You didn't have that before."

Pirate: "Well, we were in a battle and I got hit with a cannon ball, but I'm fine now."

Bartender: "Well, okay, but what about that hook? What happened to your hand?"

Pirate: "We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook. I'm fine, really."

Bartender: "What about that eye patch?"

Pirate: "Oh, one day we were at sea and a flock of birds flew over. I looked up and one of them s**t in my eye."

"You're kidding," said the bartender, "you couldn't lose an eye just from bird s**t."

Pirate: "It was my first day with the hook."

Prof, your dedication is laudable,though I think our Admiral is too smart to be outwitted by a bird. We havent heard anything from him for a few days. I guess the old coot must be busy sending (and colleting) his bills to the Government of Belize for defending their coast with honor,dignity and Integerity (and a bit of Cachaça too).

Hey Forrest, if you see these posts, just send us a short post to confirm that you are well,alive and kicking.And you take care and keep out of the Harm´s way.

Prof, your dedication is laudable

Aren't you fancy now!
Yes, we have not heard a word from the Admiral! I wonder if he is pirating on the High Seas? Or perhaps being entertained on his love boat with a bevy of feminine
professionals?
Ahh the life! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Prof
written by GTY, 2007-05-23 14:57:33

Go see Cal...Go see Cal...Go see Cal.

I am more of Pheonix resident. I will go see Tex Earnhardt, and "This ain't no bull".

Aren't you fancy now!

I guess because of the bad company I have been with lately!

Or perhaps being entertained on his love boat with a bevy of feminine
professionals?

You mean to say that he has recruited Female sailors to run his boat?

You mean to say that he has recruited Female sailors to run his boat?

Exactly, Female Professional Sailors with marital adapted sex aides.

PERFECT WOMAN

She was a phantom of delight
When first she gleam'd upon my sight;
A lovely apparition, sent
To be a moment's ornament;
Her eyes as stars of twilight fair;
Like twilight's, too, her dusky hair;
But all things else about her drawn;
From May-time and the cheerful dawn;
A dancing shape, an image gay,
To haunt, to startle, and waylay.

I saw her upon a nearer view,
A Spirit, yet a Woman too!
Her household motions light and free,
And steps of virgin liberty;
A countenance in which did meet
Sweet records, promises as sweet;
A creature not too bright or good
For human nature's daily food;
For transient sorrows, simple wiles,
Praise, blame, love, tears, and smiles.

And now I see with eye serene
The very pulse of the machine;
A being breathing thoughtful breath,
A traveller between life and death;
The reason firm, the temperate will,
Endurance, foresight, strength, and skill;
A perfect Woman, nobly plann'd.
To warn, to comfort, and command;
And yet a Spirit still, and bright
With something of angelic light.

Gilligan...Professor...you both really are a couple of Fruit Loops. Your sappy blogs make me want to puke.

Where the heck is Forest, last I heard he was in Belize? And how does he rate "Admiral" in the Navy, if you LOSE a ship, you are relieved from duty...I have an idea, lets call him Skipper, lets see, Gilligan, the Skipper and the Professor, how about AES being Mr. Howell?

And just what is he on the "high seas" with, a new canoe, or did I miss something and he got the Sunkdeep back? My guess is that bullett in his head moved a half inch or so and he is not doing so well. I hope that is not the case, he may be nuts, but he is a riot.

I have an idea, lets call him Skipper, lets see, Gilligan, the Skipper and the Professor, how about AES being Mr. Howell?

And what is your role? We may end up making another TV series to compete with Gilligan´s Island or Lost. I think you are fully capable of replacing Navin Andrews and I love the idea of a new series.Go ahead Gary and give something new to the TV viewers.

Gary is Mary-Ann..

Gary is Mary-Ann

Young Gary would never accept to play this role

btw, Young Gary posted a comment in another thread "A Brazilian Peasant Group Goes to War Against Swiss Multinational Syngenta " and I loved it (of course,as usual, he made some personal attacks on my good and honorable self).

I dont want to be too hard on the youngster,because he doesnt sem to be a bad bloke (after receiving a tounge lashing from AES)

That is a very interesting comment. When you are blogging along with your Gringo friends AES, and the Professor, your are all golly gee, shucks Gomer Pyle. But when someone gets your goat, you go right to name calling, much of it racist name calling, about someones mother or other family member, they cheapest type of comments. Your are the worse kind of racist too, all snuggly and cheezy most of the time, but when you can't respond, I'm a beaner or w*****k, Cubans are spics, and E-Harmony... while you don't come out and say it, it drips beneath your postings.

Not all Europeans make the trip to Brazil to have sex with your children, but you promote that sterotype too. There are not that many European visitors to the North, but a s**tload of child prostitutes, there are plenty of Brazilian pedophiles fueling the trade. How come you dont' speak against the fathers of these little girls who sell them into sex slavery to feed to drug or alcohol problem, or the cops that turn te blind eye, in fact, provide security for they pimps for a few extra real a month.

The Danes, Italians, Spanish, Brits and Aussies have at one time had troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Where is Brazil? Getting there asses kicked on a daily basis in Hati and the favelas.

The only tongue lashing I will take from AES is between my legs or the crack of my ass. Someting I am sure you know something about.

[quoteYour are the worse kind of racist too, all snuggly and cheezy most of the time, but when you can't respond, I'm a beaner or w*****k, Cubans are spics, and E-Harmony... while you don't come out and say it, it drips beneath your postings.
]

I dont want to respond to your accusations, because you confessed that you like Ludlum´s books.

One more thing I want to say is that you are not a beaner nor a Mexican and dont you ever play "coitadinho" to poor João.If it pleases you, I am a racist ]
btw, how is Mom-in-law taking the latest scandals in Brazil?

But when someone gets your goat, you go right to name calling, much of it racist name calling, about someones mother or other family member, they cheapest type of comments.

Now here we are back to Pvt. Crunch, remember Pvt. when you were in the Army, didn't the Army supply you with all the latest technology in warfare?
Now if you are on the battlefield do your attack the enemy with an Italian Sausage so as not to offend them? F*UCK no Pvt. you use your rifle!
So quit hammering on poor João for using his weapon of choice! And go play with your Vienna Sausage lest AES attacks you once again!

So quit hammering on poor João for using his weapon of choice

Poor João,hell no. It is Coitadinho João,sitting in his corner and not bothering anybody

O problema with Gary is that he hates grandfatherly figures like my good,humble,simple;etc; self Of course, we cant do much about it. When he comes to my age, he would understand.

Torof
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-23 21:44:46

O problema with Gary is that he hates grandfatherly figures like my good,humble,simple;etc; self Of course, we cant do much about it. When he comes to my age, he would understand.

Não foi nada João, Pvt. Crunch is just nervous, nervous that you might take his Hummer away and suspend his conjugal visits..
Like gas, it will soon pass.

The Danes, Italians, Spanish, Brits and Aussies have at one time had troops in Iraq and Afganistan. Where is Brazil

Dont forget that "Coitadinho" Sergio Vieira de Melo, who happened to be a Brazilian citizen.btw, Sergio was also in Eastern Timor.What a waste of life.

nervous that you might take his Hummer away and suspend his conjugal visits

When I take away his Hummer away, his conjugal visits are automatically suspended,because she is going to drive the Hummer all the way from Miami to Seattle. I dont think he can drive his Beamer fast enough to catch up with us. Our beloved Brazilian ladies drive faster than females of any other nationalities and they dont even stop at the red lights.Just to ensure that we are in safe hands, we take Gary´s mother-in-law as a spare driver.Gary doesnt have a chance to catch up with us.

ad·mon·ish(d-mnsh)
tr.v. ad·mon·ished, ad·mon·ish·ing, ad·mon·ish·es
1. To reprove gently but earnestly.
2. To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution.
3. To remind of something forgotten or disregarded, as an obligation or a responsibility to one's higher intellectual self.

I grew up in L.A. along with Cal Worthington (I thought you above all people would appreciate the reference). I also included you in the company of Warren Buffet and the like. Though it must be said Worthington was a hell of a businessman and made a fortune (I dont think he went to U.S.C., though he probably could have bought part of it, never underestimate people, they are not always what they appear to be, though sometimes they are). I spent a Summer at Northridge back in '64, took a course in Shakespeare. Back then it was a drive to what seemed the end of the Earth, or at least civilization. There were hardly any students, the school was new and it was Summer.

'Tongue lashing', I haven't heard that expression in fifty years and I think it was in a British movie. It is not an American expression. I dont think Boggart, or Wayne, Cooper, engaged in tongue lashings, they usually punched the offendiing fellow in the face.

I prefer Sushi

Aconteceu na rádio TUPI FM 104,1 em São Paulo:
Locutor: - Quem fala ?
Ouvinte: - É o GTY.
Locutor: - De onde, GTY ?
Ouvinte: - Florida!
Locutor: - Olha aí, GTY DA Florida! Valendo o kit com camiseta e CD do
Edson e Hudson.

Presta atenção! Qual é o país que tem duas sílabas e se come
a metade ? Prestou bem atenção ?
Há um país com 2 sílabas e 1 delas é muito bom para se comer.
Dez segundos para responder.
Ouvinte: - CUBA!
Locutor: (mudo por alguns segundos e algumas risadas no fundo)

- Está certo, senhor GTY! Vai levar o prêmio pela criatividade.
Mas aqui na minha ficha estava escrito JAPÃO...

That was very funny

'Tongue lashing', I haven't heard that expression in fifty years and I think it was in a British movie

AES, "Tongue Lashing",I believe, is an old expression from the Victorian era in England.This expression is still used in the erstwhile colonies of Mother England (Most of them still insist on driving on the wrong side of the road) and I found it out during my visit to some of them. They also use some expressions which I found to be funny for eg:

The phone is engaged;Nobody knows when it is getting married
I will ring you;I did have problem in understanding this and found out the person was supposed to call me over the phone.
Ground floor;What is that ? In Portuguese, it makes perfect sense

I like the expression "Tongue Lashing" because it is verbal dressing down and not physical violence.It is much more elegant than the word "Scolding"

btw, I apologize to you, Prof and Gary for telling you that I like the author "Peter Clavell". The correct name is James Clavell. I am sure all of you have read Tai-Pan,Shogun,etc;

Off to California Wine Country for a few days. I'll pop in after Tuesday when I return. You all have a great Memorial Day, you expats, don't forget why we celebrate it.

My wife does drive faster than me, even the friggen boat scares the crap out of me sometimes...interesting comment, I didn't now it was a Brazilian thing.

Joao can take care of himself Professor, just wish he would show a little more tolorence for people who are not White North Americans. He really should try and show more respect for people of color and different cultural backgrounds...except for Islamic Facists, I would support his trashing of them.

I was unaware of your age Professor, I was taught to respect my elders and teach my children the same, so please accept my humble and sincere apologies. I will me more sensitive to your age in the future. I plan on living in Brazil, or Costa Rica, Paris, or somewhere when I get the last one off to college.

Not sure where "tongue lashing" came from either, but the word cam to mind when I returned home a 3:00 in the morning last week after a night with the boys, glad I didn't smell like pussy...then I might have been dead.

Paz todos.

Gary

A tongue lashing is minor compared to a tongue thrashing.

Ah, Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino. Bodega Bay, Muir woods, Mt. Tamalpais. Tahoe is a short jaunt, the best of all possible worlds. Have a safe flight. After the third winery, well its all pretty much wine. Salvang is of moderate interest if you havent't visited it. I hope your not flying into S.F. and driving. I dont suppose you can buy some good Chlean wine or Argentinan wine in Napa, no, probably not.

Fly when you can.

It was found that the tongue of the American Bison when used as a lashing, shrank in the Sun of the West and was used to exact convessions of those that suffered the ordeal. Apparently the tongue shrank, when cut into strips that the pain was unbearable, and one would confess every infitdelity, the pain being so excrusciating.

The technique was so successful that the Spanish employed it during the inquisiton making converts of all that suffered the most horrid of ordeals. The technique was exported to England after the loss of the Spanish Armada, and proved a great success. However the supply of the American bison began to diminish as it verged on extinction and the techinique was religated to a kind of verbal symbolism. They tried verbal flogging but it wasn't quite the same, didnt have quite the same effect, they eventually went to thrashing, and then to thrashing, and finally they settled on GITMO and good old water boarding, but the infamous tongue lashing of the Cherokee indians is without equal. Perhaps it was the fact that they stripped the poor bastard naked lashed to a pole over a fire ant hill, covered in honey that ultimately produced the rep**ation of the infamous tongue lashing.

Or it may be the strings used to lash the tongue together while baking in a Jewish Delicatessen in Beverly Hills, thus keeping the form and the tenderness of the severed tongue, along with its 'au jus'.

Etymology, the science of what can no longer be refuted (as the refutees are all dead, and who knows if they were telling the truth in the first place. The perfect science, much like the science of opinion.

good old water boarding

Mohammad to Osama, want to go water-boarding? Ah no thanks I will take a rain check, I'm going camping in the mountains, maybe next time.

Why not Miolo wine? Rio Grande do Sul.

Surfing North Shore Hawaii is a kind of water boarding, but the skill and courage is alien to desert dwellers, smashed on the coral reef, bleeding, seeking the air that seems just so above the surfcace of confession, so close to to the surface of the air itself, so close to God.

It is cold enough to freeze the ball off a brass monkey here in Sampa!
How's the weather down South?

It is cold enough to freeze the ball off a brass monkey here in Sampa!
How's the weather down South?

It is dammed cold too here in the South. I sent the cold wave to you as a present for the memorial day.You have to put up with it for another 5 days.

I was reading the post by our friend AES about "tongue lashing".Quite an interesting colocação.You better pay attention too.Remember, AES is wise beyond his tender age of 62, though I wish he would learn some more British English .

I hope your not flying into S.F. and driving

I suppose Gary is not flying to S.F. More likely he is flying to San Diego. If gets too drunk, his Mom-in-Law (or his wife) can easily drive him around. San Diego is a peaceful city and the traffic is very orderly.Hope the ladies obey the Traffic signs.

It reminds me of one of my favorite songs "All the leaves are brown and the sky is grey........."

Surfing North Shore Hawaii is a kind of water boarding, but the skill and courage is alien to desert dwellers, smashed on the coral reef, bleeding, seeking the air that seems just so above the surfcace of confession, so close to to the surface of the air itself, so close to God.

You should entitle this "The Desert Dwellers final Banzai to Kanaloa".

It is dammed cold too here in the South. I sent the cold wave to you as a present for the memorial day.You have to put up with it for another 5 days.

May the flees of a thousand camels infest your armpits!
We are Sedexing the weather back to you in two days, na-na-na-na

It is cold enough to freeze the ball off a brass monkey here in Sampa!

Balls (plural)...

May the flees of a thousand camels infest your armpits!

If you promise to send me 72 Vigins by SEDEX,I will send ya some warm weather.But brazen yourself for some more cold fronts.

Torof
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-25 15:27:18

May the flees of a thousand camels infest your armpits!


If you promise to send me 72 Virgins by SEDEX,I will send ya some warm weather.But brazen yourself for some more cold fronts.

Apparently you have not read the "fine print" If one strives to obtain 72 Virgins, one must also accept the 72 Mom-in-Laws that is part of the package! You do you think it is by accident that they are ALL still Virgin?

The choice is yours!

Inchalla....

Apparently you have not read the "fine print" If one strives to obtain 72 Virgins, one must also accept the 72 Mom-in-Laws that is part of the package! You do you think it is by accident that they are ALL still Virgin?

Al Koran well interpreted and I did not know that you are an Islamic scholar too. Your interpretation should be broadcst by Al Jazeera and there would be a drop in the number of Lads who want to blow themselves up.The U.S. government must appoint you as the Counter Terrorism chief. When the kids come to know there are bound to have 72 Mom-in-Laws when they go to paradise, they would lay down their explosive jackets and start talking peace.

Al Koran well interpreted and I did not know that you are an Islamic scholar too. Your interpretation should be broadcst by Al Jazeera and there would be a drop in the number of Lads who want to blow themselves up.The U.S. government must appoint you as the Counter Terrorism chief. When the kids come to know there are bound to have 72 Mom-in-Laws when they go to paradise, they would lay down their explosive jackets and start talking peace.

Kids, Kids, Kids, so young, dumb and full of explosives!
They think they are going to save the world, retire early and be in Heaven.
Short cuts always have disastrous consequences!
They are so hard headed!
If we talked them out of it, then there would be 72 unemployed Mom-in-Laws, just think of the eternal economic impact! A big dilema, an explosive problema!

Thanks for the job reference, but I believe this is a job for Jihad Mouse's mom-in-Law!

quote]Kids, Kids, Kids, so young, dumb and full of explosives!
They think they are going to save the world, retire early and be in Heaven.
Short cuts always have disastrous consequences!
They are so hard headed!


Well said. I was reading articles about that guy in Iraq, Moqtada Sadar who hid himself in Iran for almost 4 months .Suddenly he made an appearance today. He is just 33 years old and seems to have taken up against the entire world wanting to introduce theocracy in Iraq. In my opinion, this youngster is quite frustrated and needs to be flown to Brazil (or anyother western country of his choice) where he could be introduced to 72 NON virgins. He should be fed with some good caipirinhas also. By the time the NON Virgins finish their task,he will be yelling and screaming for peace.

I think that you should take the lead and guide him to peace and harmony.

Thanks for the job reference, but I believe this is a job for Jihad Mouse's mom-in-Law!

If you dont want to take up the job, we would be forced to seek the help of our friend AES who will give a good tongue lashing to everyone (including George, Condi ,Nancy,Hilary,Obama,Lula, etc in general) and especially Moqtada and get the job done (to convince all of them that it is not worth having 72 Mom-in-Laws)

The current weather condition here is precarious. It is 7 celsius and feels like 6.

Do you read me loud and clear? Better wrap around woolen clothes all around your body parts, especially the sensitive ones.

Torof
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-25 22:10:54

The current weather condition here is precarious. It is 7 celsius and feels like 6.

Do you read me loud and clear? Better wrap around woolen clothes all around your body parts, especially the sensitive ones.

It's a bit warmer here 12 C. I have my heater going with a ambient room temp. of
28 C. so I an as happy as an Arizonan bug in a rug!

Moqtada Sadar who hid himself in Iran for almost 4 months .Suddenly he made an appearance today. He is just 33 years old and seems to have taken up against the entire world wanting to introduce theocracy in Iraq.

Another young hero. (everybody wants to rule the world) looks like we will be
spend the next few years watching the Middle East Madness as it rises to its glory.
I think you should be the Ambassador of good Brazilian will and invite them (Maniacs) to come to Brazil for some Samba and Caipirinhas. After a short stint here they will return to the Mid. East a little happier, singing and dancing with their good fortune of knowing that the 72 (Brazilian) Mom-in-Laws are not worth blowing up for.

Inchalla..and keep yer pecker warm!

http://apnews.excite.com/artic...NMDG0.html
Here is an Example of an American Mom-in-Law.
Beware Al Queda!

http://img.terra.com.br/i/2007/05/25/516334-0049-ga.jpg
Adm. Forrest has been spotted in the Mediterranean.
End of report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275582,00.html

Swedes-leaving the-Universe.

http://apnews.excite.com/artic...MDG0.html

That guy should be happy that his Mom-in-law didnt bite something else off.

Adm. Forrest has been spotted in the Mediterranean.

No wonder we havent heard from him.He abandoned us.

Torof
written by João da Silva, 2007-05-26 11:13:12

Adm. Forrest has been spotted in the Mediterranean.


No wonder we havent heard from him.He abandoned us.

It's hard to keep an old sea-fearing dog landlocked for too long!
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I am back after a nice lunch and I got to see your comment "old sea-fearing dog landlocked for too long! ".

My question: Why would the Sea Fearing dog want to go back to the sea again?. I like clarity while talking about Sea Fearing Dogs. Are there Air Fearing Dogs too? btw, the last dog I had died of testicular cancer.He was a fearless Dog. A dog is the best friend of a real (He)man.I agree with this ancient proverb.

Isabel Lestapier Winqvist, 20, has dropped out because Swedes say the Miss Universe competition, airing live Monday night from Mexico City's National Auditorium, is degrading to women and weighed down by scandals.

Ch.c can easily fix up a job for young Isabel in his corporation.May be Isabel didnt like Mexico City.

Ch.c can easily fix up a job for young Isabel in his corporation.May be Isabel didnt like Mexico City.

Too many Damn Mexicans there I presume? Probably Viking Caucasians do not like being paraded in front of Hispanics, we need to get Ab Normal's opinion!
I guess Swedes can only wear bikinis if they are on the Swedish Bikini Team?
Plus they don't like Scandals, as we can observe by CH.,c's typical comments that
is of course unless they are the ones who initiated the scandal!

It's so damn complicated to be Swiss!

Too many Damn Mexicans there I presume? Probably Viking Caucasians do not like being paraded in front of Hispanics, we need to get Ab Normal's opinion!

I would invite GTY to give his opinion too.