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We Are All Brazilians, All Mixed, and Racists All the Same PDF Print E-mail
2007 - July 2007
Written by Vânia Penha-Lopes   
Thursday, 05 July 2007 10:42

Blacks in Brazil From the end of the 1930s till his death in 1995, the anthropologist Ashley Montagu alerted us that the biological concept of races as distinct groupings that could be classified as superior and inferior was a mistake. Therefore, the news that "Genetics shows that each human being is unique and contests races in Brazil" (my translation), which appeared in O Globo recently, does not surprise me.

The novelty is this interest in genetics to demonstrate correctly that, biologically, races do not exist just when in Brazil the (equally not so new) thesis that the social concept of race is powerful enough to organize the structures of societies and determine people's quality of life picks up strength.

Demétrio Magnoli, a Brazilian sociologist, argues that "popular racism, mass racial hatred, doesn't exist in Brazil." I argue that such mass racism has been suppressed by effective practices that keep so-called blacks in their "proper places," i.e., outside of competition with so-called whites.

There are plenty of examples, such as the "good appearance" requirement (read "whites") for employees who might have contact with the public, the low salaries for blacks with the same education and experience as whites, the barring of blacks from clubs, and the ubiquitous idea that individuals with darker skin are at once less intelligent and prone to crime.

The demand for affirmative action policies would be an instance of blacks getting out of their pre-determined social places by pointing to the unequal treatment to which they are subjected.

Actually, we are talking about another theme, also well explored: the existence of two Brazils. In one, the descendants of phenotypically white immigrants enjoy the privilege of ignoring race; in the other, where I live, skin color and negroid features take over any other characteristics, such as way of dressing, education, and occupation.

I have plenty of examples: although I was thrice the best student at a famous English-teaching school here in Rio, I grew up hearing that blacks aren't capable of learning foreign languages. Last year, I was on my way to a bank; ahead of me was a white woman. The moment she looked back and saw me, she retarded her pace and held her bag more firmly. I took out my card from my pocket and left it visible.

Only then did she relax and got into the bank. I suspect that, because I was casually dressed in a T-shirt and shorts, I was seen as a potential thief. However, being well-dressed is no guarantee of decent treatment: more recently, I was prevented from entering a cocktail party to which I had been invited thus: "The bathroom is over there." Because I insisted that I was not looking for the bathroom, the "woman bouncer" decided to ask for my invitation, after having emphasized that it was a closed event.

Finally, when I was visiting a college where I had already been introduced as a professor and researcher, I was announced as "a girl wishing to speak to a professor." The tragedy is that, just as all of that has happened to me, it certainly happens to innumerable Brazilians who look like me. The moral of the story is, there is a stigma in being black in Brazil.

There is a name for that: racism. Simply speaking, racism is the ideology of racial superiority, regardless of how races are defined. That ideology may manifest itself as prejudice, discrimination, or a combination of the two.

By the way, as prejudice is the pre-judgment of an entire category of people, having it is not particular to the white elite. Even mestiços can harbor prejudice and discriminate, such as when Brazilians conveniently omit their black grandparents from their genealogy by avoiding mentioning them or by hiding their pictures.

Discrimination, i.e., treating persons differentially, may or may not occur together with prejudice. Historical data describe how the Brazilian post-slavery immigration policies favored Europeans and the Japanese, but not the Chinese. The justification was that, with so many blacks already here, we didn't need "the Chinaman."

Are we all Brazilian? Yes. Are we mixed? Yes. Unfortunately, that fact doesn't prevent our being treated unequally. As the phenomenologists suggest, there are several "realities," worldviews created out of our social status.

Let us, thus, respect the reality of those who are discriminated against or who are prejudged due to the color of their skin. When their opinions have more weight, perhaps the debate will become more balanced. At least till then, let us stop pontificating that "we are not racist."

Vânia Penha-Lopes, a native of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, has a Ph.D. in sociology from New York University. She is an associate professor of sociology at Bloomfield College, in New Jersey. Penha-Lopes is also a columnist at Afropress, a Brazilian online publication.



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striders get back to your rubber room
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 06, 2007
yes brasilians all belad the same blod
breath the same air
eat the same foods
share the same land

but it stops there .
without the right name you are out
with out money , you are out .
with out
Vânia...
written by bo, July 06, 2007
be careful publishing stories like this here in brazzil.com If you talk to people like "Abe Razillion Deniar" he will argue with you and swear on his soul that racism does NOT exist in brazil! And will tell you how things are "so much worse" in the United States. You seem to have experience in both, can you elaborate?
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written by A brazilian, July 06, 2007
The problem with such anecdotal evidence is that it can't be proven. I could tell you some cases where some black thought I was being racist when I wasn't. For example, one day I called a laudry shop to pick some carpets at my home and clean them, and the guy that came to pick them up was as black as coal. But there was a problem, he didn't bring any ticket for me to retrieve the carpets later. Well, I didn't want him to take the carpets, not because I thought he would steal them, but because I was worried they would lose my stuff and I wouldn't have how to prove they had something mine later. And the guy started acting as if I was being racist. The biggest problem is that you always think people are looking at you because you are black, or everything they do has to do with the fact that you are black.

The violence is a problem, and I always get worried when I see people dressed like a favelado. Not because I care about fashion, but because I never know if I am going to be robbed.

Right now there's almost no debate over affirmative action in Brazil, and black movements are unheard of. I have only heard of them when the police raids some favela and they denounce "excessive use of force" for you to have an idea. The whole discussion gravitates around the "university quotas" and they never consider the big picture. On one side the black racists argue that they have been kept outside of the society, using some very dubious statistics, and on the other the current university students whine that this is unfair. Idiot vs. idiot. I am not against quotas, I am against black quotas. Using race in laws is institutionalizing racism, and the worst part is that is a racism a la americana, something completely alien to this country.

The "we are all mixed" talk is something from the previous president, before Lula, by that time Brazil turned 500 and they paid for a genetic research about the Brazilian. Needless to say that the results were to support the idea that all Brazilians are mixed, but that has been contested many times over already. The statistics were a bit manipulated and the conclusion was completely baseless.

The problem with this talk is that it implies "pure races". It's a way of infiltrating racism, as the blacks dream of, without forcing the "black" label on others. You may not be supporting their cause, but by saying "we are all mixed" you are agreeing with their obsolete theories. I don't think how the person sees himself matters at all.

Another interesting fact is that I have seen occasionally some very profuse support of the black movement (it was on the BBC internet forum) coming from... "white power" individuals. Their reasoning is that blacks should feel proud of their origins, because they are also proud of theirs. So if you rise one "pride" you are also rising the other. Furthermore, increasing the notion of a "black identity" will inevitably draw clearer lines about what is white and will make the notion of "white identity" rise as well. The end result would be Brazil to become just like the "Disunited States of America", i.e., a country filled with "ethnicities", that are "proud" and don't like living together, because that's the "natural order of things".

If you analyze the statistics in no way blacks are segregated. They are only 7% of the population, dropping from 15%. For you to have an idea, all races dropped significantly, and the only one that has risen was the "mixed" one, i.e., a generic term to designate all kinds of mixing between all others. All statistics about homicide involving blacks don't support racism, because in order for them to be racism you would need to prove that the killer was non-black and had racial hatred motivations. Most blacks are killed by blacks. How is this racism?

José Bonifácio, the patriarch of the independece, defended in his works (around 182x) the abolition of the slavery and the miscigenation as a way of keeping the country "one" and to avoid the fate of the Spanish America, which fragmented in many small countries. He said lots of things as projects for this country, and this was one of those things. So, as you see, in the 19th century, at the same time that in the rest of the world the scientific racism was rising, in Brazil it was already known, by one of the most influential person of his time, that miscigenation wasn't a bad thing.

There's no such thing of "positive racism", racism is racism. Bringing this obsolete filth to Brazil is everything the neo-nazis would love to see!
Abe
written by GTY, July 06, 2007
Why should we even try and respond to your outdated and racist dribble. You arguments regarding Affirmative Action, black on black crime, and all people of color in Brazil are doing just fine thank you...are a load of crap. These are the same arguments our Rednecks make in the south. Now I am sure you will come back with "GTY the Hispanic" why not just GTY, because you are more of a racist than the average Brazilian, your pathetic sterotypes regarding people of color prove it. Especaily those that are doing much better than you. Do you really RUN from the favelados? Even the white ones? How many are white? 2%? Just this statement alone proves you are part of the problem, not the solution.

In your so called "Disgruntled States" we know and admit that racism is a problem, in fact it is a problem world wide. Your position that it is not a problem in Brazil is close minded and frankly, moronicaly uneducated. Brazils racial history is as bad or worse than the United States, here we address the problem as best we can...there, well you just run from it. Also, just so you know, the Supreme Court just struck down racial quotas or advantages for school entrance. How does a black person get into you lilly white private schools? Or are they stuck with the world class, top notch Brazilian public school system?

It's funny, you are so quick to react to questions and discussion of racism in Brazil it usually means you are trying to hide your own bloodline for some reason. Say it loud Abe "You are black and proud!!"
RASCISM IS BEING ERADICATED IN BRAZIL
written by Paulo Cunha, July 06, 2007
Thanks to our beloved President Lula.
Not For Real
written by GTY, July 06, 2007
Paulo...your a fake.
GTY: The Hispanic
written by A brazilian, July 06, 2007
Your position that it is not a problem in Brazil is close minded and frankly, moronicaly uneducated. Brazils racial history is as bad or worse than the United States...


You have accomplished something amazing, in 2 lines you have made yourself look more ridiculous than anyone else could ever do. In the first phrase you call Brazilians uneducated and in the second phrase you say we have worse problems than the USA (!), I guess you have never heard about "one drop rule", eugenics funded by the government, scientific racism, and other things the americans were involved with up to the 60s. At least officially involved, but some are still involved today! Now who is the moronically uneducated !? Hahahahaha.

I always call you "the Hispanic" so you remember what you are and your role in the american society. Weren't you the one that said you were proud of it, Hispanic?

It's funny, you are so quick to react to questions and discussion of racism in Brazil...


I am quick to react to any stupidity posted on this site because the wrong image would be passed wordwide as "the truth".
In one line
written by GTY, July 06, 2007
"I always call you "the Hispanic" so you remember what you are and your role in the american society."

In one line you prove EXACTLY what Bo and I have been saying about you all along. You are a RACIST, all RACIST's deny that racism exists.

I didn't say the US is better than Brazil...but in the US people of different ethnic backgrounds and races are doing much better than Brazil's. I am sure I could buy and sell you and your pobre family 5 times..and still have plenty of pesos left over for tacos.

By the way, I didn't say all Brazilians were uneducated...JUST YOU.

Watch out for those Favelado's, they are sure to take your money, your such a pussy and easy mark. I'll bet this 1/2 Mexican could take your money too!
Abe
written by GTY, July 06, 2007
"Weren't you the one that said you were proud of it, Hispanic? "

Yep...that was me.
GTY: The Hispanic
written by A brazilian, July 06, 2007
You don't seem to have self-confidence. smilies/smiley.gif
Ahh
written by GTY, July 06, 2007
Instead of Abe, you are now Adolph. Can't argue my points can you? Weak minded too...but we already knew that.
viva la raza
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 06, 2007
as far as your beloved LULA you must be sleeoing with him
walk among your people only 12% of the people think they have or are better off sence he took office ,

in the US we all know what a racsit is and we are working on them the whole country

you dont see the KKK , skinheads , black panthers , out in force as it use to be .

as we as a people under one flag and many gods have see the rule of life
and are working on it
no longer is it just the whites that can be racists people of color can also be

and the statment know your place in socity well just look at our country mexicans , latinos , tahnios , wet backs have travled up the ladder of sucess in the US to own well for one uinvision , started by a mexican amercian who came to the US the rong way buit a life and company known world wide .

bob vila , cuban amercian same thing started out on the rong foot and built it up to TV star.

are you starting to see a pattern here

we are all of different colors , races , relogons ,
held togeather by the second most important document ever written
under a flag that gives you the right to complain , about our goverment , burn ou,r flag protest
and as long as it is peicefull you have no fear of jail .

while in brasil well you try talking about the congress you can be sued , and sent to jail .
burn the brasilian flag you go to jail ,
build a company in brasil , but you can never becom a brasilian , you are always a estrangio

my wife has been up here for a few weeks now and can see the difference in the way
people not only treat her but the way people just say hi to each other on the streets , drive .

interaction of all peoples from all over the world here in the states

so brasilian ask your self if we are so much of a racist country why do people take the chance of dieing to get here
they could just go to brasil where it does not exist




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written by Paulo Cunha, July 06, 2007
Paulo...your a fake.


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written by Paulo Cunha, July 06, 2007
as far as your beloved LULA you must be sleeoing with him


Sir, I dont recall this romantic encounter.
Vânia Penha-Lopes
written by João da Silva, July 07, 2007
Vania, the brazians can yell and scream that we are not racists. It is not true and being a brown skinned heroe (like GTY), I must confess that I have confronted this problem all through my life.Mistaken by the bloody Argentines (who are more racists than we are) in a shopping mall for a shoe salesman. Then you have that Gilberto Gil (What the hell is he doing to integrate the races?) being a minister and doing NOTHING.It is a sad state of affairs.

A Brazilan is a good fella,but he is just like a cat that closes its eyes and thinks that the entire world is DARK.

btw, we have gone through this debate before and I just wanted to say my final piece!
Typical American Frame of Mind...
written by Costinha, July 07, 2007
They judge everybody based on their own obsession with religion, race, sexual preference and then some....
What have choice can also choose not to judge
written by Simpleton, July 07, 2007
Put all that you wish down Costernatada, none will rise to your call. Blindness comes in many forms, that of AB whose eyes are closed or refuse to see, mine which see all too well in ways quite unexpected as they begin to fail with age but were not burned beyond capability for open unbiased perception due to having been blindered, isolated and protected from such things as a child. Say not ALL, say not ALWAYS, say not EVERYONE, say not NONE, say not NEVER, say not FOREVER, Costinha. What fire has burned you you should learn from but only to avoid again, your disfigurement from what flames you suffered where be they the accepted 'loving' guidance absorbed quite unknowingly from your nearest family or terror hurled your way from next door or from afar, these need not be drivers for the illness and words you choose to spew into your future.
Paulo Cunha
written by João da Silva, July 07, 2007
Tu és nordestino?.Escreve bem inglés.
costinha
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 07, 2007
so we should judge people like most brasilianmen do

petos , bunda , money , looks , and what can her family and friends do for me .

i am not saying it does not exist in the US but it is not as out frount

and why is it bad to judge people by the company they keep
where as you do the above
I myself have found persons that put the good will foward to others are the ones i can trust .

as my wife has told me dont trust any one
that is not in my nature
with out trust you can never have true love , and with out love you have no real life
costinha
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 07, 2007
so we should judge people like most brasilianmen do

petos , bunda , money , looks , and what can her family and friends do for me .

i am not saying it does not exist in the US but it is not as out frount

and why is it bad to judge people by the company they keep
where as you do the above
I myself have found persons that put the good will foward to others are the ones i can trust .

as my wife has told me dont trust any one
that is not in my nature
with out trust you can never have true love , and with out love you have no real life
Viva Forest
written by GTY, July 07, 2007
Muchas gracias mi amigo! Viva La Raza and the USA.
Racial Classification
written by San Antonio, July 07, 2007
I've heard about Brazil and an affirmative action type "afro-descendante" program in the works. That would be very interesting to see in a country where not many people are of any one pure race. Most African-Americans are of mixed race too (though most African Americans don't like to acknowledge that - obviously because of the history of how that came to be) but are recognized in American society as blacks so I see its workability in the U.S. but Brazil??? I have never been to Brazilian and but have met many Brazilians. While I am yet to meet a real white Brazilian, I am yet to meet a real black one too. Brazil, curiously, says its mulatto population is about 35%. How could that be? Mulatto is for the most part a one generation race and eventually gets absorbed usually back into the black race. Is Mulatto in Brazil a generic term for anyone who's got black and white genes regardless of composition? It's often used in that respect in West Africa. Before the affirmative action system can be implemented, racial categories may have to be redefined in order to apply it failry. I bet a lot of the so-called Mulattoes would all of a sudden start to acknowledge their African heritage that is so often ignored.
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written by conceicao, July 07, 2007
Let's not let this topic go by without discussing the "racist" machinations of the CBF who diabolically have employed two white coaches - Dunga and Jorghino - who have proceeded to play as many as
seven preto players - Maicon, Juan, Gilberto, Mineiro, Anderson, Robinho and Vagner Love - at one time in the Copa America with the "whitest" starting position player last game being Josue. This all after seeing the obvious racial superiority exhibited by the Portuguese and Italians in the last World Cup. And what about Ze Roberto - Mr. Black Empowerment himself - who quit the team right before the
event on the grounds that he and his family would feel safer living in Europe? And how about the way Anderson with his dreadlocks and Vagner Love with his hairbeads are being culturally oppressed by the dominant white power structure? How about a little affirmative action for white soccer players? Surely the team couldn't play any worse.
university study
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 07, 2007
states as the worlds people move about more and inner bred

the color of the world population will change from 5 colors to one mabey two

over the next 100 years

with as the french call it cafe ol lay mulata, with light eyes , dark hair , mid to large brest and butts
women avrage hight will be 5' 6" 145 weight

so what we are trying to repair we will become later on in the history fo the world
Let's not let this topic go by...
written by bo, July 07, 2007
..
written by conceicao, 2007-07-07 01:47:01
Let's not let this topic go by without discussing the "racist" machinations of the CBF who diabolically have employed two white coaches - Dunga and Jorghino - who have proceeded to play as many as
seven preto players - Maicon, Juan, Gilberto, Mineiro, Anderson, Robinho and Vagner Love - at one time in the Copa America with the "whitest" starting position player last game being Josue. This all after seeing the obvious racial superiority exhibited by the Portuguese and Italians in the last World Cup. And what about Ze Roberto - Mr. Black Empowerment himself - who quit the team right before the
event on the grounds that he and his family would feel safer living in Europe? And how about the way Anderson with his dreadlocks and Vagner Love with his hairbeads are being culturally oppressed by the dominant white power structure? How about a little affirmative action for white soccer players? Surely the team couldn't play any worse.



by posting this headline!! I'm laughing my ass off!!

Brasil perde, mas ainda pode ir às oitavas
Estados Unidos vencem por 2 a 1 e deixam seleção em terceiro. Polônia pega a Argentina
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conceicao
written by GTY, July 07, 2007
I wish we had the Brazilian preto players on our team! Maybe we could win a match or two. You are confusing sports with politics. Brazilian's demand that their football team win, Dunga has to field his best team, just because that does not include many white faces does not mean he is racist, just a good coach. It's his ass, if he loses, he is gone and he knows it. In fact, as a player and coach Dunga has lived most of his life with Brazilian's of color, he is the last person that should be accused of racism, I am sure when it comes to his job, he is color blind. For all of your complaints and after one stumble, Brazil will win the Copa America with young players with few Caps. How about Kaka, he choose to miss the games, where is the critisizm of him. Pele, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Robino, Adriano, Romario, Roberto Carlos...OK, they are black...so what? Brazil cherishis them and regards all of them as heros.

Now help me understand this. The US now has a huge Latino / Hispanic community and has had for decades, millions of second generation footballers who start playing shortly after they are born, my 10 year old is one of them 1/2 Brazilian, 1/2 Gringo, already playing for a Division 1 Adidas Elite team. Why then, has the US National Team been so white? This seems to be finally changing now, with several black players and Chin, an Asian American from Hawaii. But where are the Latino's?

Youth Soccer in the USA is a sport played primarily in the upper and middle class white neighborhoods, there is little effort to organize lower class urban neighborhoods like the areas that have turned out the best Brazilian players. And can you really fault a young black Brazilian player for not wanting to put his family in harms way. Was it not Robino's mother who was kiddnapped in the favela while he was playing in Europe, he paid a ransom to get her out. I think this has happened to other black player as well. I don't see where someone who puts there family in front of football is a bad person.
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written by conceicao, July 07, 2007
GTY, I disagree with a lot of your analysis of Brasilian football - particularly the notion that Roberto Carlos is widely regarded as a hero. However, your point about the exclusion of Hispanic players from the U.S. development system could not be more accurate in my opinion. The behavior of the U.S. federation reminds me of the way the tennis and skating federations are run with whites, Asians and those
from more affluent backgrounds in general being given priority over more talented athletes all for the greater glory of the organizers who above all want to remain comfortably in charge. The success of
the women's team - based on suburban white girl affirmative action through Title IX - has something to do with it. (I pray that the Samba Princesses take them down this September after having the last
Olympic final stolen.) And, the rivalry with Mexico is another big factor - no doubt that there is a lot of hatred of Mexicans embedded in the U.S. organization. The makeup of the national youth teams is a
complete joke and getting worse. I actually think the quickest path to success for the U.S. on the international level is the complete exclusion of Anglos from the development process or giving
California and/or Texas and/or Florida their own youth teams and then letting the players earn their spots purely on talent.
TO:GTY
written by João da Silva, July 07, 2007
You leaving tomorrow or on Monday?
conceicao
written by GTY, July 07, 2007
"And, the rivalry with Mexico is another big factor - no doubt that there is a lot of hatred of Mexicans embedded in the U.S. organization. "

A very good point and one I didn't consider. There is a rivalry that borders on excessive and a player of Mexican heritage competing on the US National team would be chastised by his team mates and the Mexican's living in the US as well, a tough spot for any Mexican/American player with talent.

Still is is amazing and I witness it almost everyday. My sons play Divison 1 in Boca Raton, they are a very competative youth soccer club, but when they play the Spanish speaking teams of Doral, North Miami or Homestead, they are not ready for how physical these teams are and almost always lose to them in the semi of final rounds. And still, the players selcted from our programs to go on to ODP are usually from the affluent white clubs...Bruce Arena shares much of the blame, I don't believe he could relate to Hispanic players. And selected only whites and a few blacks for youth development.

"The success of
the women's team - based on suburban white girl affirmative action through Title IX - has something to do with it. (I pray that the Samba Princesses take them down this September after having the last
Olympic final stolen.) "

Again, a very good and accurate point. Title lX changed the face of women's soccer. The additional scholership money had to go somewhere and football is really the only sport besides basketball that can possibly generate revenue for colleges. The women's program continues to be much stronger than the men's for many reasons. But the main reason is that there is much less scholership money in men's football than women's. Therefore, most of the really good football players, all of whom are premier atheleics, swith to American football, basketball or track in highschool where there is more money for scholerships. Still, I will be cheering for our ladies, while I will also cheer for the "Samba Queens" I am still an American.

"I actually think the quickest path to success for the U.S. on the international level is the complete exclusion of Anglos from the development process or giving
California and/or Texas and/or Florida their own youth teams and then letting the players earn their spots purely on talent. "

I agree 100%! This is the way football clubs and national teams are built worldwide. It creates a much more competative enviroment and allows good players to stand out and prevents mediocre players from finding a place to hide, no matter what their racial or financial background.

Still, I don't understand your point about black football players in Brazil. It is almost the opposite there. Affluent lighter skinned Brazilians usually have an economic advantage, therefore they spend less time kicking around a football and more time in school, traveling or developing other interests, sure they all have their favorite clubs and route hard, but most of them could not compete. On the other hand, football is a way of life in the poorer areas, both urban and rural, it is a communality found throughout Brazil. You can see it everywhere you travel. It is quite simple, except for a small percentege, the best players are black, I am not sure how anyone could argue different and I applaud Brazil for fielding there best teams...they have if you havn't noticed, had pretty damned good success. Success that any other country would be happy to have.
Hi Joao
written by GTY, July 07, 2007
Tomorrow, but just for a house hunting trip, will be back in Florida late next week. Lot's of lose ends to tie up, movers, real estate agents, so on. I hate moving, but I am looking forward to going back to California. I think I will be "offically" there the first week of August.
GTY
written by João da Silva, July 07, 2007
I hate moving, but I am looking forward to going back to California


So do I.But the life is like that.I am sure that your lovely Brazilian wife is organizing everything. btw,California is not bad at all and happy to know you will be back in your own state and not too far from San Diego.You have a safe trip and keep in touch.
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written by conceicao, July 07, 2007
My comments about the racial make-up of the Brasilian team are mainly satire. I think that Dunga's team that beat Argentina had five white starters for example.
GYT
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 07, 2007
will you be able to live without

cubans and porto ricanios

telling you how bad the mexicans are

but you will miss the greek salads ,

but fishing on the slow rolls in the west coast are grate
Lots to miss
written by GTY, July 07, 2007
I have know many Cubans and Ricans that I call my friends, and I am going to miss the pelagic fishing in the Stream, but am looking forward to the change of pace Northern California will bring, including many days out on the bay or points past drifting a live anchovy.
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written by e harmony, July 08, 2007
Discrimination, i.e., treating persons differentially, may or may not occur together with prejudice. Historical data describe how the Brazilian post-slavery immigration policies favored Europeans and the Japanese, but not the Chinese. The justification was that, with so many blacks already here, we didn't need "the Chinaman."


I believe racial issues - racism - exists in Brazil. I think it does in all the colonized lands of Europeans as well as all over the world to some less or greater extent. I think Brazil is a better place racial relations wise than most places on earth - that includes regions of Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.

Being a U.S. mulatto I grew up essentially caught in between two worlds. This in away gives a person a chance to think from a point of no specific chosen side per se.

What I notice about black peoples - and mulattos as well - and in fact all of humanity, is that it is easier to see the thorn in another's eye than it is to see the beam or splinter in your own. White racism exists. But does black or mulatto?

If the white Brazilian woman grabs her purse because a person is black does that make her racist?

If a black person targets a person for crime because they are white, or targets them for rape because they are mulatto or moreno, does that make them racist?

There are too many morenos (meaning any thing from mulatto to Arab to Asian) in Brazil holding middle-class jobs for "good looking" to across the board only mean "white."

The number of peoples in Brazil who have made it into political positions with surnames that are Japanese and Arab are I believe probably even greater than in the United States. Plus, gangs in the United States (in Russia as well I believe) 9 times out of 10 are based around race and or ethnicity. They are not generally multiracial inclusive. Yet in Brazil even the poor who form the gangs seem to be multiracial organizations less intent on, "lets go kill the blacks," or "lets go kill the Mexicans," or "lets go kill the Chinese," or "lets go kill the Turks or Mongolians" (in the case of Russia) than they are about, "lets go make some bread [money] and kill our *enemies.*"

Now... that is not to say everything is racially perfect in Brazil and that Black-Brazilians do not get discriminated against or have particular struggles unique to the as a group identified by color. But context is help not to exaggerate Brazil as a land in which moreno clara's are out 100 deep, walking into the mulatto neighborhood with baseball bats, knives and hammers to beat the sh*t out of mulattos. In the United States I grew up with black and Latino gangs racially battling each other like this (they lived in separate neighborhoods) until crack cocaine hit, and large scale gang-banging fights went out the door for small scale drive-by shootings over drug turf.

My point is, there are levels to beef. In the United States the racial beef is enough that *Asian gangs* will fight *Mexican gangs* and *Mexican gangs* will fight *Black gangs* and all the various *Neo Nazi gangs* will fight them all. So, if Chinese and blacks in Brazil aren't forming gangs to beat and kill one another simply based upon cultural and phenotype differences... then even if they do have beef it is a smaller beef that has not yet made it up to the U.S. level of racial beefin. And that jack... is a fact.
GTY
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
Do you read,write and speak Spanish too?
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written by GTY, July 08, 2007
Si, e tu amigo? Tu habla Espanol?

Voce fala Espanol? Eu fala Portuguese, mas fala mutio mal.
GTY
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
Hablo Espanhol também. You may be surprised to know that there were three countries where my Portuguese was perfectly understood and I could understand the Spanish. Uruguay, Chile and MEXICO!. The Mexicans spoke Spanish clearly and slowly (at least the ones I met) and I spoke clear Portuguese. So there was no problem of communication both in Tijuana and Cancun,though I think that Tijuana was (and still is) better organized to receive curious vistors like me. I would like to visit that place again.Cancun is for the Gringos (from all over the world).
hay joao
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 08, 2007
you can fly to guatamala and dont even need a visa
go to the city of chetumal in south quint ro state

grate place no whores good food free zone in belize to shop in and fishing is very good

i know several good friends there and the beach water is as clear as botled water

GTY dont forget the gold in the rivers in northern calif
From a black american
written by Terrance, July 08, 2007
To you all who compare Blacks in the USA to black in Brazil don’t know what you talking about. First there are no black gangs in the USA. There are black people in gangs, and some gangs are all black, but the people who make up these gangs did not get together because they're black. They just happen to be black and they will fight against who ever. Second, the U.S does have racism but the US is also the best country in the world if your black at least here you have a chance. And all you have to do is look at T.V. Blacks dominate (and make) popular culture here in the U.S. Being "black" in Brazil is like a sub-culture. Most blacks in the US live in Ghetto which is like a middle class neighborhood in most countries, running water, electricity; we have a welfare system here. Most black in Brazil live like third world African nations. I average age for a black male in Rio is 25. When I was in Brazil, I never seen a black person on T.V granted I didn’t which much, most of the black I seen were poor and struggling. I can’t even begin to compare the two Counties. Third, White racism? Now this might be my personal opinion, but Black doesn’t hold enough power to be racism toward whites. If a black person commits a crime against a white person, it’s not because he was white but because they where at the wrong time at the wrong place....mostly. This is coming form a black American I can say that I have faced racisms but now I work for the State of Florida....and I will not lie I got this job because I was black, but not under-qualified......it was between me and a white guy with the same experience level.
Also I get a lot of white women that want to have sex with me because I’m black.........being black in the US is a good thing better than being poor and white. Being black in Brazil is almost like be cursed. Atleast what i saw.
From a black american
written by Terrance, July 08, 2007
To you all who compare Blacks in the USA to black in Brazil don’t know what you talking about. First there are no black gangs in the USA. There are black people in gangs, and some gangs are all black, but the people who make up these gangs did not get together because they're black. They just happen to be black and they will fight against who ever. Second, the U.S does have racism but the US is also the best country in the world if your black at least here you have a chance. And all you have to do is look at T.V. Blacks dominate (and make) popular culture here in the U.S. Being "black" in Brazil is like a sub-culture. Most blacks in the US live in Ghetto which is like a middle class neighborhood in most countries, running water, electricity; we have a welfare system here. Most black in Brazil live like third world African nations. I average age for a black male in Rio is 25. When I was in Brazil, I never seen a black person on T.V granted I didn’t which much, most of the black I seen were poor and struggling. I can’t even begin to compare the two Counties. Third, White racism? Now this might be my personal opinion, but Black doesn’t hold enough power to be racism toward whites. If a black person commits a crime against a white person, it’s not because he was white but because they where at the wrong time at the wrong place....mostly. This is coming form a black American I can say that I have faced racisms but now I work for the State of Florida....and I will not lie I got this job because I was black, but not under-qualified......it was between me and a white guy with the same experience level.
Also I get a lot of white women that want to have sex with me because I’m black.........being black in the US is a good thing better than being poor and white. Being black in Brazil is almost like be cursed. Atleast what i saw.
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written by e harmony, July 08, 2007
From a black american
written by Terrance, 2007-07-08 12:34:46
To you all who compare Blacks in the USA to black in Brazil don’t know what you talking about. First there are no black gangs in the USA. There are black people in gangs, and some gangs are all black, but the people who make up these gangs did not get together because they're black. They just happen to be black and they will fight against who ever.


I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.

I came up around the culture of black gangs in the United States. Such as the GD's who originally were part of the Black Gangster Disciples (BGD's). The GD's are one of the largest U.S. gangs. The BG's (Black Gangsters) are another large black organization (gang) under the "Folks Nation." The Vice Lords (VL's) were formed as a black gang. The El Rukins who are predominately black Muslims and black "Hebrew Israelites" were originally part of the Black Peace Stone Rangers (during the 1960's they were the largest gang in the U.S.). Jeff Fort the leader of the El Rukins by the way is in federal prison for conspiracy to have his El Rukins organization conduct terrorist acts in the United States - on financial payment of Libya. You can read Elaine Browns book A Taste of Power about her short time leading the Black Panthers, and how the Black Peace Stone Nation in Chicago rallied with them (the Black Panthers) in Chicago. Even the famous Crips gang originating in California is to my understanding (I'm from the Midwest) a product of what started off as a Black-American social organization for black empowerment, but them morphed into a criminal anti-social organization.

Say there are no "black gangs" in the United States is the stupidest sh*t I ever heard. When I know for a fact these outfits routinely denied white males (the few that might have lived in black neighborhoods and wanted to join) membership based *simply on their race.* Everyone coming from the hood knows d*mn well the VL's, GD's, and Latin Kings (LK's are Latino gang) and so forth claim "revolutionary" change for their respective *race* and or ethnicities (in the case of the Latino LK's) through the means of criminal activity and gangsterism.

As though the Irish-Americans never had Irish gangs, or the Italian-Americans never had Italian gangs, or the Jewish-Americans never had Jewish gangs.

As though the racial (segregation) history in the United States would lend one to rationally contend the name "Latin Kings" refers to all inclusive to Irish, Jews, and Chinese. As though "Black Gangsters" would lend one to rationally contend that name infers being all inclusive of Irish, Jews, and Chinese.


As for the United States being a place where black peoples can make it, by looks of the racial percentage make-up of the U.S. prison system it would seem to me that also includes "making it" into prison, not to mention if we look at Compton, Baltimore, and Detroit et cetera... the United States looks like a place a young black man can successfully "make it" getting his a** shot up.

Curse? Yeah... President Lula of Brazil came up in such a materially privileged home and Obama in the U.S. came up in such a financially struggling home that he epitomizes meritocracy and upward mobility while white skin Lula epitomizes the favoritism bestowed upon white skin in Brazil and a system lacking any meritocracy for those that work hard. Get this straight jack! Hillary Clinton and Obama didn't come out my hood they don't know two f*ckin things about that or getting shot at by the Vice Lords. But I bet Benedita da Silva knows a whole lot about upward mobility (more than what me and most Americans [USA] do).

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written by e harmony, July 08, 2007



Yep... that's a white woman in Brazil. Or maybe it's a black person lighter than Obama or Powell. Or maybe its a black Brazilian confined to ever toil the earth like an emaciated rural Ethiopian, walking with a staff, bare foot, in tattered rags.
To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
you can fly to guatamala and dont even need a visa
go to the city of chetumal in south quint ro state

grate place no whores good food free zone in belize to shop in and fishing is very good

i know several good friends there and the beach water is as clear as botled water


Thanks Admiral for the tips. But,could you please clarify to the "black Americans" on this blog about the Rascism in Brazil, the real Texan style? Remember that the good, well educated and well traveled Texans are not racists. You just give them all hell, which is your style.
To:E Harmony
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
Curse? Yeah... President Lula of Brazil came up in such a materially privileged home


You crazy? According to him, he came from a humble home from PE and made his life in S.Paulo by participating actively against the "military dictatorship",by forming unions. Harmony, I am really disappointend in you, for not having read his biography completely.Give me a break,please.

white skin Lula epitomizes the favoritism bestowed upon white skin in Brazil and a system lacking any meritocracy for those that work hard.


"White Skinned Lula" is color blind.He bestows favors on anybody who brings him votes and glory.You really dont understand how this gentleman´s mind works. You are sooo innocent,young and foolish.
Brazil racism
written by GTY, July 08, 2007
I won't get in the middle of an argument with two black Americans about racism. There is no denying that it continues to be a black eye on white American's and a white persons persepctive on racism can never be that of someone who has expereinced it. But if you were to listen to The Brazilian and Joao, they will tell you that Brazil is an Etopia where there is no racism, no different than the racists in America that deny racism exists and that black American's should not be provided an advantage over whites when competing for schools and jobs.

Our racist history is not that old, reperations where never paid although we uprooted African families for decades and forced them into slavery. A little advantage is the least we can do to make up for these sins. As e-Harmony says, urban, inner city black community's are ridden with poverty and crime. Terrnace points to a broken welfare system as well as his ability to get a job over a white that was equally qualified, then says that "America is better". Maybe better for you Terrance, but there are many who have fallen through the cracks or not recieved the same level of education and training that they do in white neighborhoods.
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
But if you were to listen to The Brazilian and Joao, they will tell you that Brazil is an Etopia where there is no racism, no different than the racists in America that deny racism exists and that black American's should not be provided an advantage over whites when competing for schools and jobs.


I didnt want to get into the middle of an argument between two black Americans either.

Oh,s**t, I thought a "Hispanic American" in this blog was on his way to CA,giving me a break for a few days.My hopes,as usual, were shattered!!
TO:GTY/E Harmony/Terrance and et all
written by João da Silva, July 08, 2007
I want all of you boys and girls to be adviced that, while traveling in the Amazon, ya all be very careful. Our allegators are very color blind.They are really mean man (and woman) eaters. Regardless of color,race,religion,social classes,etc;, they like to get ya all. Crunch,crunch,crunch.... and that is it and ya all become unsung heroes and part of forgotten history.

Welcome to our country, where there is no racism,atleast among the aligators.
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written by A brazilian, July 09, 2007
There are too many morenos (meaning any thing from mulatto to Arab to Asian) in Brazil holding middle-class jobs for "good looking" to across the board only mean "white."


Oh boy, this "good looking" thing is a myth. Fat people, people with acne or other skin problems, tattoos, with teeth missing, with an eye missing, or plain ugly aren't "good looking", and they won't be eligible to such a job regardless of their color, religion, sexual preference, etc. They actually mean GOOD LOOKING, and I have already met black women working on malls.

You will find people of all origins working on malls. This is one case of "repeating a lie 1000 times until it becomes truth".

And since when such jobs are "middle class"? Such jobs are either teenager jobs or lower class.
I wish you were right
written by A brazilian, July 09, 2007
Blacks dominate (and make) popular culture here in the U.S. Being "black" in Brazil is like a sub-culture.


If only the blacks around here could make less noise I would be happy.

think about this
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 09, 2007
less than 1% of the whoit people had slaves in the US but the whole white race is blamed for it while millions of whites died in our war over this .
less than 25,000 blacks were killed fighting in the war .

no one looks at the fact the black tribes of afrcia took there other tribes men and traded them to the arabs for trinkes and trash .
whom sold them to the dutch , portgues and sold them to the world , brasil the US south africa , england .and other points .

you never here of the other countris just the united states we had slaves , get over it that was a very large mistake done by a few people long ago and the whole white race here is been condemed for ever ,
how about the blacks that have slaves to this day , or the arabs whom still keep slaves ,
to this day you can go to parts of north afrcia and men sell there kids boys and grils into slavery for food and other things , inda men and women sell off there girls to whore houses for the sex trade ,
but no only whites can be racists

i know a ton of black men with white wives ,that is okay , black with asian wives , that is okay , black with mexican wives that is okay .
but if you wat to see something find a white man with a black wife you will see things well very differelenty out of the black race .

yes the KKK was and still a bunch of small minided people whom are affraid of there own shadow .
the skin heads , same people , to me they are little hitlers that are to affrade of wearing the white sheets ,
look at the muslems they dont like christans whitch is another form a racisum .

to stop it we have to educate the people the right way ,
you go to war with any color they eat sleep and protect you , you come back with a whole new respect of people places and things

racisum is a crime to all of man kind it will be with us till we come up with a drug to take the stupid out of people ,

the worst case of slavery was the belgum congo and no one ever says a thing about it ,
in the US with ouf fredom of speach and our many fine black aurthors , musicans , actors , religos leaders , it has come to the fore front inand on the TV in 60 and was sent all over the world by our enemys to prove to the people of there countries the US was a country of raceisum , supresion , and haterid of other races .

look to the old pictures see how many whites prosted with the blacks in thoes years , the under ground rail road blacke and whites hung togeather for there crimes

YES we are still trying to get rid of it but at leas we try .

as far as afrimitive action policies they are in place to make sure we dont revert .

watch the music awards you have the black AMA the latin AMA and then just the over all awards
not a whites only award show but every one
and as we look at it blacks can go to work any where , if they say they cant get a job is is beacuse a ieagle alain has my job than fight for your rights
school the same way , fight for your rights .
THAT IS WHAT YOUR MILITARY HAS DIED FOR IF YOU DONT USE THEM IT IS YOUR FALT

teraance i can under stand your thoughts on brasil but you dont have to be black just dont have the right last name ,
my wifes brothers whitch she has manny 3 are married to black brasilian women from PE state , SB state and rio

all have different stories of how each state treats there blacks , for four years they are treated like s**t but when iot comes time to vote out comes the friend of the people
red flags flying , free hotdogs , tee shirts , food , EMPTY promisses to be filled upon my election ,( some what like happens in the states )after they win a few token jobs and a new wash rack for the slum to clean there clothes , of whitch the mayors brother built it at 100% more than it should take .

in PE state the poor can have a water storage tank built 50 % paid by the goverment , it cost $1000 out of your pocket . but you have to dig the hole , gather the sand for the cement , supply the laubor , the goverment just sends out the forms and a person that tells you how to do it , you pay $20 reals a month till its paid off
if you do the math the tank only has $400 reals of money in it , as the goverment make 600 off each tank that is supose to be free to the poor

WE ALL WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF WE PUT ASIDE OUR PETTIE DIFFERENCES AND MADE THE GOVERMENT WORK FOR US THE WAY THEY ARE SUPOSE TO

hay J
been up and down the river the only gators i saw were on my plate or on tee shirts left behind by tourist from florida

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written by A brazilian, July 09, 2007
Most blacks in the US live in Ghetto which is like a middle class neighborhood in most countries, running water, electricity; we have a welfare system here. Most black in Brazil live like third world African nations.


This one was funny. Wow, you have electricity! Hahaha. I think you should get your facts straight. 98% of the Brazilian population has at least one TV, over 50% have cell phones, and so on. This is no "third world African nation", although this is the image popular associated to Brazil.
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written by A brazilian, July 09, 2007
Vania, the brazians can yell and scream that we are not racists. It is not true and being a brown skinned heroe (like GTY), I must confess that I have confronted this problem all through my life.Mistaken by the bloody Argentines (who are more racists than we are) in a shopping mall for a shoe salesman.


Funny that you mentioned that. This weekend I confused a white guy with a salesman in a store because his shirt was of the same color as the sales people around there. I thought he looked like a salesman.

I probably have said that previously, but the biggest problem I see is the refusal from Americans in general to accept the fact that we can do things better than they can and the racial relationship is an example of that.

Second, this whole "identity" talk is not empowering. It doesn't give power to the people, it takes from them. It's a nice way to create a political corral, where you can gain some votes by "defending their cause", but it doesn't create powerful people. The worst part in Brazil is that rich kids get spoiled to the point their characters are affected negatively, and the poor kids that could do something for themselves resent the fact that they aren't spoiled to the point of being deformed.

We need desperately higher moral standards, not lower. We need to make them prove themselves worthy, not to give things away easily.

Is there anything better than being lord of your own destiny?
Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 09, 2007
hay J
been up and down the river the only gators i saw were on my plate or on tee shirts left behind by tourist from florida


Got your message loud and clear as you got mine. btw, a great post of yours and you summarised every thing I wanted to say about this bullsit on racism.

WE ALL WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF WE PUT ASIDE OUR PETTIE DIFFERENCES AND MADE THE GOVERMENT WORK FOR US THE WAY THEY ARE SUPOSE TO


A great quote too and I agree with you. Thanks bud.
To:A Brazilian
written by João da Silva, July 09, 2007
Second, this whole "identity" talk is not empowering. It doesn't give power to the people, it takes from them. It's a nice way to create a political corral, where you can gain some votes by "defending their cause", but it doesn't create powerful people. The worst part in Brazil is that rich kids get spoiled to the point their characters are affected negatively, and the poor kids that could do something for themselves resent the fact that they aren't spoiled to the point of being deformed.

We need desperately higher moral standards, not lower. We need to make them prove themselves worthy, not to give things away easily.


Great comments and I loved them.We do need desperately HIGHER MORAL STANDARDS.We do indeed to strive to make them PROVE thmselves WORTHY,not to give THINGS EASILY.

It is easy to play "Coitadinho" and demand things,because you are a "minority" and suck out of the middle class. I am sure you know what I am talking about.

Thanks again for the post.

I probably have said that previously, but the biggest problem I see is the refusal from Americans in general to accept the fact that we can do things better than they can and the racial relationship is an example of that.


Here I differ. Well educated Americans who have traveled overseas are much more open minded than the Europeans. One example of narrow minded Europeans is ch.c,who has nothing to contribute to the welfare of Brazil. Whatever we do, he criticizes.I dont have to elaborate more,since you have read his anti Brazilian tirades which are parrot like and boring.
Reality
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 09, 2007
Observing from up here in heaven, my friend The American Historian has asked me to intervene to point out a few actual facts.

First, most blacks in the USA are not poor and do not live in ghettos. Only 2 out of 10 black americans are poor (vs. 50% in 1965, 87 percent in 1940) and most of those poor are kids and their single mothers, i.e., kids can't improve their income because they are not yet elibible to work. The goal is to stop young women from having kids before they can support them at an income above the poverty level.

And E Harmony, only about 1 out of 20 black men in the U.S. are in prison.

Roughly 3 out of 10 white americans are college educated; roughly 2 out of ten black americans have 4 year college degrees. Black Americans with college degrees earn 95% of what white americans earn with the same level of education. Black Americans with doctorates earn slightly more than white americans with doctorates. Black Americans who earn at least $100,000 per year marry nonblacks in the U.S. at a 50% rate.

GTY and Bo, keep up the good work. As I use to say, "Let freedom ring...."

The U.S. approach on race, while they have stumbled at times, has worked better than
any alternatives I have seen. And since I am sitting up here in heaven, I should know.
Oh, and A Brazilian, God tells me you need to open your eyes buddy. GTY, Bo, Mark Wells, Vania and the American Historian are right and you are wrong. Accept that fact.
A Clarification
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 09, 2007
When I said the USA has "stumbled" I meant in the period since the 1960's when they have moved to more aggressively confront racial problems.

And A Brazilian, if you do not like the fact Brazil at times has been treated like the USA or Europe's bitch, the only way the problem will end is when you confront the real reason some much of its population remains poor, i.e., their race. An ugly truth to confront, but true. But I suppose that I Martin Luther King Jr. should not use such language.
Respell
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 09, 2007
Eligible to work....
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written by João da Silva, July 09, 2007
But I suppose that I Martin Luther King Jr. should not use such language.


Unbecoming of a distinguished person like you, Reverand.Shame on you. smilies/grin.gif
color blind
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 09, 2007
yes all brasilians have cell phones ,
it is a status simble .

TV go to punto frio pay 25 reals a month for 4 years and it is yours
the company makes 31/2 times the worth of the tv
as they do on all there stuff they sell .
and if you fail they dirty your name and you cant buy another thing ,

and tell the whole truth about the cell phones ,
most are bought on credit for 3 times as much as they are worth
and most are pay as you go ,
the avrage brasilian cell phone rings they look and then go to the pay phones and call on a land line
excpt on weekends when it is free calling , then try to get one off the phone .

i my self am happy to know peoples of all nations and clutures ,
all one has to do is travel and to meet people with an open mind and they will reviel themselves to you .

On my second night in JP i new thing about people that could get them put in jail in the states .

One thing i have learned about most brasilian men ,
they like to brag , drink and chase women .
but if you are at the table when the chque comes you get the bill

in brazil the imiage you project is what you are judge by other than your skin color

nino a black man that works for me can get on the phone and get any thing he wants but when he gets to the counter to pick it up he will always
be the last one helped at the counter .
and if i go in they come to me as soon as i walk in and the price for the same item is 75&#xor; more than nino got over the phone
then we stop off at a good resturant and always we will be seated at the back , so i go in and set then he will come in and sit with me
love to se the looks on there faces

I HATE BIGOTS AND RECISIT MORE THAN ANY THING ELSE IN THE WORLD

as far as gangs people of all colors can be in gangs , so do good othere feed off the fear they invoke in others
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written by e harmony, July 09, 2007
To:E Harmony
written by João da Silva, 2007-07-08 16:50:44

Curse? Yeah... President Lula of Brazil came up in such a materially privileged home



You crazy? According to him, he came from a humble home from PE and made his life in S.Paulo by participating actively against the "military dictatorship",by forming unions. Harmony, I am really disappointend in you, for not having read his biography completely.Give me a break,please.


I know Lulas general biography of living as a child in abject poverty in the Northeast, moving with his mother and siblings to the city (his father had already left for another woman), him growing up in poverty and selling peanuts on the street as a child. I know about him getting his finger cut off in a factory.

My comment was what people in the U.S. would call *sarcasm.*


white skin Lula epitomizes the favoritism bestowed upon white skin in Brazil and a system lacking any meritocracy for those that work hard.



"White Skinned Lula" is color blind.He bestows favors on anybody who brings him votes and glory.You really dont understand how this gentleman´s mind works. You are sooo innocent,young and foolish.


Again, I was utilizing *sarcasm.* President Lula epitomizes meritocracy at work in Brazil. Likewise, I was using sarcasm about Obama because he did not come up in a materially struggling home... both him and Hillary Clinton are - at least in my mind - part of an *elite.* There just elites that in in the Democratic party. But so what, the Republicans have the Bush's and the Dem's have the Kennedy's. When the last time you've seen a U.S. President with a missing finger because he worked in a factory like Lula?
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written by e harmony, July 09, 2007
And E Harmony, only about 1 out of 20 black men in the U.S. are in prison.


This is probably a correct stat, I'm not sure. But I doubt only 1 in 20 black men in the U.S. are felons. While I doubt most black men in the U.S. are felons a significant number are to the degree it bears down a significant effect on the community. But what I do know is a very large - perhaps well over half - percent of U.S. black males go to jail at least once in their life.

But my point about black males in the U.S. being successful in the U.S. prison system is that Black-America only makes up 12 or 13% of the U.S. population yet makes up the highest percentage of the U.S. prison population. According to Chuck Zito in his book "Street Justice" the average U.S. prison (for males) is roughly about 60% black, 35% Latino, and about 5% white. Chuck Zito is an excon and I believe did about a dime in the joint. He pointed this out in his book when he talked in his chapter about his prison time because of the racially motivated violence in U.S. prisons (mind you he was transfered to several prisons while doing his time). According to him young white males are the most vulnerable and the most targeted for rape by black inmates. He states a forewarning to young white males committing crimes: If you enter prison in the United States you will know what it's like to become a "minority."

So, Black-Americans don't have the highest percent in Congress or CEO board rooms but Black-Americans do have the greatest success story of any race in the U.S. in conquering the U.S. prison by making up the highest percent.

I'm not trying to bash Black-Americans, but the whole Black-American experience isn't only a tale of riches, peace, love, and the most gentle communities on earth. Everything about Brazil ain't a poverty story either or a story of no hope.
Martin Luther
written by A brazilian, July 09, 2007
The statistiscs about blacks in Brazil are non-existent. People will make up some random number depending on the situation. For example, when they want to demonstrate how blacks are "discriminated" they shoot the number very high, like 50% of the population being black (!), without any source, and then compare it to the percentage of blacks in Universities, Industries, etc. But in order to keep the number of blacks in those places small, they will consider as "black" only the "as black as coal" types. So the "useful moreno" that was included against his will in the 50% is not counted when statistics abouts blacks' salaries and jobs are gathered. Of course the number will be the picture of hell, but for this people the worse it looks the better. And they ignore completely the socio-economical differences between the Brazilian regions, that might create disparities between salaries and quality of life.

They have nothing to stand on, in terms of evidence. They just count on people's inferiority complex as "evidence" and on the history of slavery, which is long gone by now.

But you won't understand what is going on in Brazil if you don't understand PT and the leftists' plan. Right now they want to create a law for censor people from criticizing gays, to legalize abortion, to forbid advertisement of junk food and alcoholic beverages, and this racial crap. All of this while burdening the enterpreneurs and the population with taxes and bureaucracy, and making an open campaign against press, which they accuse of trying to bring the government down, only because they report the many corruption scandals to the people.

We live in an embryo of a dictatorship, and the NGOs play the role of "revolutionaries". Those ideas are carefully packaged elsewhere and just applied here. The NGOs are financed by international organizations. There's no "truth" in all of this, it's only a power game from some lunatics with too much money that think they can shape the world as they see fit.

And João, yes, I agree that Europeans are worse than Americans. I just don't even mention Europe because we don't talk about them, you know. smilies/smiley.gif Like a cousins you don't like. Just leave them there.
E Harmony
written by Don Vito Corleone, July 09, 2007
Guy, you better come up with a specific cite regarding the about "half" of U.S. black men will go to jail in their life, and I mean a specific cite. Only one black male in my extended family of cousins, Uncles and grandfathers has ever seen the inside of a jail. Many of those blacks are in prison for simple drug possession, not drug dealing or violent acts. Yet we know black Americans make up no where near most of the demand for drug usage in the U.S., so if they are not in possession of most drugs here WHAT RACE OF AMERICANS ARE? And why isn't that race arrested for drug possession at anywhere near the numbers of black Americans? Check out the more friendly form of justice they tried to merit out to Paris Hilton.

And the slander about blacks being the most successful prison population is similar nonsense. Historically, most urban crime in the U.S. during the 18th, 19th and early
20th Centuries was done by young white males, i.e.young Irish, Italian and other white youths. Read what white New Yorkers said about crime in their city--and the young white male youth gangs committing such crime back in the 1740's.

Most of those poor young Irish and Italian boys are either no longer as poor or no longer live in those cities. Now, most of those who fit in those categories are the poorest black and Latino (I dare say "Hispanic") youths. Give me a poor population
with unemployed young men and a certain percentage of those men will turn to crime--regardless of race. The murder rate in all white towns of the old American West was much higher than 20th Century New York City murder rates.

E Harmony, you remind me of my son Fredo, and we know what my son Michael did to him. Unlike my friend Martin Luther King, I write this not from heaven, but from somewhere else.
Vania
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 09, 2007
Anyway Vania, Vito got a bit off topic, but you have written a great article.
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written by João da Silva, July 09, 2007
All of this while burdening the enterpreneurs and the population with taxes and bureaucracy, and making an open campaign against press, which they accuse of trying to bring the government down, only because they report the many corruption scandals to the people.


I am afraid that the things are going to get worse for the entrepreurs and the middle class and nobody is going to shed tears for them.
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written by e harmony, July 09, 2007
E Harmony
written by Don Vito Corleone, 2007-07-09 02:38:58
Guy, you better come up with a specific cite regarding the about "half" of U.S. black men will go to jail in their life, and I mean a specific cite.


I don't need to come up with anything, because my comment did not imply it was a matter of proof conducted released in some statistical science report. My comment implied anecdotal evidence.


Only one black male in my extended family of cousins, Uncles and grandfathers has ever seen the inside of a jail.


Good for you.


Many of those blacks are in prison for simple drug possession, not drug dealing or violent acts. Yet we know black Americans make up no where near most of the demand for drug usage in the U.S., so if they are not in possession of most drugs here WHAT RACE OF AMERICANS ARE? And why isn't that race arrested for drug possession at anywhere near the numbers of black Americans? Check out the more friendly form of justice they tried to merit out to Paris Hilton.


I'm aware most people in U.S. prisons are non-violent offenders (You use that qualification to improve your point. The irony is that it calls into question *American liberty* compared to that of the liberty to be found or protected in Brazil). Black-Americans make up a *significant* percent of urban crack cocaine sales (usage) - the most in fact I don't doubt. But Black-Americans only make up 12% to 13% of the U.S. population therefore they only make up a tiny fraction of the overall drug use and illegal narcotics sales in the United States.

As for the U.S. incarceration rate of Black-American (or other minorities) I'm aware of the injustices involved. Namely, most Black-American families can't afford to pay for a good defense lawyer, so even innocent Black-Americans go to prison. That is not say their are no public defenders. But there seems to be enough less than stellar public defenders out there that enough people in the public are encouraged to pay for their own lawyer. Justice is bought. I firmly believe that. If you are guilty and have enough money you can defacto purchase a reasonable doubt or innocence. If you are innocent but don't have enough money, you stand a good chance of being convicted.


And the slander about blacks being the most successful prison population is similar nonsense. Historically, most urban crime in the U.S. during the 18th, 19th and early
20th Centuries was done by young white males, i.e.young Irish, Italian and other white youths. Read what white New Yorkers said about crime in their city--and the young white male youth gangs committing such crime back in the 1740's.


I see you missed my objective point entirely. My point was not to slander Black-Americans as simply a criminal group or race. My point was to say the objective numbers in U.S. prisons - as is by percentages of the races that make up U.S. prisons - Black-Americans bar none hold the crown. Every Black-American in prison could be innocent and wrongly convicted it still would not change that fact. Therefore, by percents, Black-Americans have had greater success in the U.S. prison system then they have in making it into corporate board rooms, the chairs of Congress, or putting on the black robes of judges.

What does the state of Baltimore, St Louis, Detroit, Compton, Gary... I could go on with hundreds of city names (in reference to the black communities there)... have to do with 18th, 19th, and early 20th century whites other than distract from the current challenges in Black-American communities?


Most of those poor young Irish and Italian boys are either no longer as poor or no longer live in those cities. Now, most of those who fit in those categories are the poorest black and Latino (I dare say "Hispanic") youths. Give me a poor population
with unemployed young men and a certain percentage of those men will turn to crime--regardless of race.


All this is true. I have no disagreement.


The murder rate in all white towns of the old American West was much higher than 20th Century New York City murder rates.


This is probably also true. Although there probably was no real reliable statistical data kept in most those bustling Western towns, many of them I imagine were worse than New York City during the 20th century. It should be kept in mind, New York City was never predominately black. It should also be kept in mind that the state of New York, like every other state in the United States, is predominantly rural.
To:E Harmony
written by João da Silva, July 09, 2007
When the last time you've seen a U.S. President with a missing finger because he worked in a factory like Lula?


I havent had the pleasure of meeting any U.S. President in person and so never had the opportunity to examine how many fingers they had smilies/grin.gif

But one thing I tell ya, When Ronald Reagon visited Brasil, I happened to be in our Capital. He didnt disrupt the daily routine of the law abiding Brazilian citizens.I would have loved to say hello to him,but we both were too busy minding our own business.

btw, I have seen a couple of Presidents of Brazil before the current one and I can confirm that they had all their fingers (as well their brains) intact.
Reality Check 2007
written by Berta, July 09, 2007
The year 2007 and all over the world the “European-Centric” attitude on race still flourishes….they won’t change…we must change…embracing our culture, race, heritage as the magnificent divine creation we are!!! We are God’s!!! Therefore worthy of all things “others” expect and receive!!!! I noted the “Hispanic” reference…as that seems to be the new “in”….don’t claim your African heritage…but the Latin root is fine….I’ve even seen programming here in the U.S. that claims Brazilians as Hispanics….really….but they do that with Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Belizeans, and anyone who happens to have heritage in a Spanish Colonial Port (hence “Plantation”)…forget that the root of the people brought there against their will were African…and through years of miscengation are either of mixed descent or took the last name of their Spanish owners….it does continue…until the color of one’s skin has no more significance than the color of one’s eyes…we as a human race will never truly move forward to completeness….

B.



To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 10, 2007
nino a black man that works for me can get on the phone and get any thing he wants but when he gets to the counter to pick it up he will always
be the last one helped at the counter .
and if i go in they come to me as soon as i walk in and the price for the same item is 75&#xor; more than nino got over the phone
then we stop off at a good resturant and always we will be seated at the back , so i go in and set then he will come in and sit with me
love to se the looks on there faces


This is something interesting you mentioned. It is not restricted only to you or Nino.It happens to me too and you wouldnt believe it.Just invite quotes from several vendors (without telling them who else you are in contact) and choose the lowest one.I think your employee Nino is a decent person and wants to cut down the cost!.

As for the restaurants,f**k them. I just walk out and go to another where people are treated like human beings,regardless of color,dress they wear,etc;

My question: when you can buy a product of the same brand for a lesser price in another store, why buy it for a higher price in the first shop you come across?. And why buy a shirt (Made in Sri.Lanka) for a $100,when you can buy directly from Sri.Lanka for $20 (Landing cost with all the duties included).

s**t, Admiral, you have a loyal employee and better keep him with ya.
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written by ddd, July 10, 2007
Get research on subject as usual on this site.
Greating from CA
written by GTY, July 10, 2007
"This is something interesting you mentioned. It is not restricted only to you or Nino.It happens to me too and you wouldnt believe it.Just invite quotes from several vendors (without telling them who else you are in contact) and choose the lowest one.I think your employee Nino is a decent person and wants to cut down the cost!. "

I don't get it Little Buddy. You are always the first one to say there is no racism in Brazil, in fact, it is the one thing you and Adolph (Abe) always agree on. Yet you claim you are discriminated against because of your color. Which one is it Gilligan? You can't have it both ways.
TO:GTY
written by João da Silva, July 10, 2007
I don't get it Little Buddy. You are always the first one to say there is no racism in Brazil, in fact, it is the one thing you and Adolph (Abe) always agree on. Yet you claim you are discriminated against because of your color. Which one is it Gilligan? You can't have it both ways.


Good morning GTY.You must be an early bird to get up so early in CA and kind enough to keep in touch with your friends down under!

In this instance, I was NOT refering to RACISM,but the skill of the buyer of an organization to negotiate the best prices with their vendors.So I was complimenting Nino for being a good buyer for Forrest (and not including a cut for himself!).Being in business yourself, I am sure you understand perfectly.

How is CA and when will you be back in FL?
To:ddd
written by João da Silva, July 10, 2007
Get research on subject as usual on this site.


I think that you meant "Great Research" on subject. If so,thanks to several commentators like A Brazilian,Admn.Forest,AES,Professor,GTY (a.k.a. VOHA),E Harmony,Dom.Oliveiro,Magnus,MST and finally my good SELF.

If I have omitted any names, please do feel to remind me. But bear in mind that we do not accept negative criticisms,but constructive ones are always welcome and it is up to us to decide whethr they are negative or positive.

btw, if the owners of this site are not too pleased with our comments, we will migrate to another one smilies/grin.gif
Joao
written by GTY, July 10, 2007
Just couldn't help myself, had to check in. We just made an offer on a new home in Dublin Hills, it has a guest cottage and I will need someone to do the pool and yard, I prefer a Brazilian vs a Mexican...so if you are interested...

Also found a really great marina to put my boat in, company is shipping it (along with my kids and dog) next week. My Carioca beauty was hesitant to leave Florida, but when she was able yo choose a 5 bedroom, 4500 square foot home in the Silicon Valley she suddenly had a change in attitude. That and she has already located a couple of local Brazilians What is it about you Brazilians, you have like a built in Brazilian radar able to find one another in a s**t storm.

It's all good, the neighborhood is all white, I should be able to blend in, they might throw me out if they find out I am 1/2 Mexican, but I will graffiti their walls and shot there dogs before that happens. Sounds like Forest is on another adventure. Do you think he is for real? Or perhaps getting the last laugh on all of us?

Paz
To:GTY
written by João da Silva, July 11, 2007
I prefer a Brazilian vs a Mexican...so if you are interested...


Not at his moment,but thanks for asking smilies/grin.gif

That and she has already located a couple of local Brazilians What is it about you Brazilians, you have like a built in Brazilian radar able to find one another in a s**t storm.


I think you should teach her to be multi cultural and not get into a "Panalinha"

Also found a really great marina to put my boat in, company is shipping it (along with my kids and dog)


I didnt know that you had a Dog. I might be interested in taking care of your Dog (Actually, all the dogs,including the "Vira Latas" ,adore me).

It's all good, the neighborhood is all white, I should be able to blend in, they might throw me out if they find out I am 1/2 Mexican,


Of course, with your ease to insult everyone, shouldnt have any problem in blending into the white neighborhood smilies/grin.gif

Do you think he is for real? Or perhaps getting the last laugh on all of us?


He is for real of course.After all he is a Texan by birth. Great guy.I like him, though I didnt like the raw deal he got with Roam Deep in PB (It pisses me off). I think that when the old coot sets up his server in Holland, we should volunteer to be his commentators.

In the meantime, you take care and dont drink too many bloody Marys nor Screw Drivers.

As for the Silicon Valley, we have some friends there too.
It’s Not Mole NÃO…
written by costinha, July 11, 2007
Chegando de Nova York de CAMINHÃO

Caraca, Saí com meu Jumento em MIAMI e passei o maior VEXAME!

Aprendendo Inglês chamei minha bosta de BOSTON e acabei na cadeia em Washington…. Tava só querendo gastar me INGLÊS os gringos me botaram no XADRÊS!

Sendo flamenguista me deram uma má FAMA numa cidade HAVAIANA. Essa merda de viajar pelos os Estados Unidos me deu uma tremenda dor de OUVIDO!

It’s Not Mole NÃO…

Costa
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written by Paulo Cunha, July 11, 2007
Aprendendo Inglês chamei minha bosta de BOSTON e acabei na cadeia em Washington…. Tava só querendo gastar me INGLÊS os gringos me botaram no XADRÊS!


Qué pena que eles não te fuzilarm, com a tua boca suja.
Paulo
written by João da Silva, July 11, 2007
Calma cara.Não precisa ofender o Costa.
name of boat should be VICARIOUSLY
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 11, 2007
ahy J
well sent nino off to a school so he can nbetter his life he is a master at rebuilding things and only 19 so of to a trade school for him
working on marine motors for a start .

he will do well

why a white neiborhood full of what ever .
what is dock for the boat going to be a month there ,
fatima could care less if she meets another brasilian as the 3 that she has met here wel l the jest i got was not
a good one as they were here on a visa and were being deported back to brasil for over staying by up to 7 years they felt they should be able to stay as
the rest of the people ,
well fatima told them she had spent 3 years doing it the right way
and did not want to here the wingin

we will be heading down the river later this month and from there out into the gulf and to CUBA for a start
we will have to watch the weather as the water is warming up fast this year .
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written by bo, July 11, 2007
I’ve even seen programming here in the U.S. that claims Brazilians as Hispanics….really….but they do that with Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Belizeans, and anyone who happens to have heritage in a Spanish Colonial Port (hence “Plantation”)…


You mean brazilians aren't hispanic?? smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

WELCOME TO THE CONGO!




"Oh my god!!! Their disrespting Brasil, and he's not even a brazilian politician!!! smilies/shocked.gif
To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 11, 2007
ahy J
well sent nino off to a school so he can nbetter his life he is a master at rebuilding things and only 19 so of to a trade school for him
working on marine motors for a start .


A great idea. Years ago, such youngsters were helped by the Brasilian middle class to come out of poverty and become citizens with self esteem (at least in the South).Now, my friend, with the middle class being screwed by the government and heavily taxed,they are unable to do much. Sometimes I wonder if the government wants to keep the poor people where they are,by giving Bolsa Familiar, jobs as sugar cane cutters,etc; Anyway, my congrats to you.

why a white neiborhood full of what ever .


A question to GTY. But,knowing him, he is fully capable of infiltrating any race smilies/grin.gif
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written by Ana P., July 12, 2007
Brazilians cannot technically be considered Hispanics. Even the US census department says so. That term comes from "Hispania" and is directly linked to Spain and Spanish, as evident in any dictionary. You have Internet title pages of Hispanic institutions and academic groups. Notice that the green and yellw flag of Brazil ain't there. Also note the University of Arizona Symposium: it says Hispanic and Luso-Brazilian literature, language and culture. The are related, but aren't the same. Two categories, two subjects. Period.
Latin and Hispanic do not have the same definition. People here usually get the two of them mixed up. I could be considered Latin for the fact that I'm from Latin America. Also, just like Italian and French, Portuguese is related to the languages that developed from Latin.
Hispanic/Hispano has usually only been applied to Spain and things related to it. Although some pepole also use the term "Hispanic" in relation to Portugal and its people (including Brazil and Portuguese-speaking Brazilians), this usage is not appropriate and may cause irritation. When speaking of these peoples, the correct term is Luso/Lusophone.
The biggest misunderstanding is that Brazilians are Hispanics, and, therefore, speak Spanish. But Brazil was started in 1500 by the Portuguese, who speak Portuguese.

Another possible misunderstanding is that even if Brazilians are not Hispanics, at least they are Latinos. The fact is that around 80 percent of Brazilian-Americans respond (when given adequate options) that they are "Brazilian." I think there is a tendency for many Hispanics to want to expand their numbers (on the basis of which monetary funds and other support are given) by claiming the Brazilians are one of theirs. (And American professors like it because they can have a convenient place to put the Brazilians -- in Latin American Studies.) But this really isn't fair to the Brazilians. To me, it would be somewhat akin to Americans insisting that Irish-Americans are part of the British Isles (after all Ireland is right next to Great Britain in the North Atlantic and they even speak the same language.
Also, there is a great deal of difference between Brazilian and Hispanic history. Brazil imported from 6 to 10 times the number of African slaves than the United States. Slavery has had a great impact on Brazil (just as slavery has had a great impact on the United States). Brazil, for instance, has a really colorful and lively popular culture which is less constrained than that of the Hispanic countries or of the United States. It is part of our uniqueness.


To Joao
written by Ana P., July 12, 2007
Be hard to blend in when you are wearing a sombrero, listening to crazy loud music and doing shots of tequila while screaming "Viva La raza". LOL

I blend in pretty well since the new ages of the insane amount of tanning products LOL Most of girls around here are 4 shades darker than me. Most people think I am just a little exotic maybe Italian or overcooked a little.
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written by Billy Bob Thornton, July 12, 2007
Geez... I'm so SICK of articles like this!! The writer seems to be trying to make up her "quota" hahaa.. just putting out babble. The whole article is a broad generalization based on very limited occurrences, which she *could have* interpreted incorrectly.

Get Real. The main class divider in Brazil and most of the rest of the world is MONEY $$$. No one that I know gives a @%^& about race or color. Do you think Pele is ever told "the bathroom is over there." Hell no. I bet the author is just a little ugly, or she was dressed inappropriately when she went to the party, so they didn't want to let her in. They probably would have done the same to anyone if they were ugly as hell, or they were dressed inappropriately.
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written by Billy Bob Thornton, July 12, 2007
The other day, I saw a case the other day in the news where a Peruvian restaurant was close down for refusing to serve "dark skinned" customers. I'm "classified" as white, but I COULD ALSO write articles on how I've felt discrimination based on age, sex, education, weight, height, etc.. I've even heard racially-motivated comments directed towards me before. Did I do anything about it? Hell no.. what can I do? Maybe something.. but will it take more time to bitch about it, or be more productive and just move on? I didn't pick the color of my skin, NOR will I ever feel sorry for things that happened before I was born.

Brazil, USA, England, and many other are supposedly democracies, right? What's the cornerstone of democracy? It's called choice!! If someone wants to be close-minded (and profit-stupid, in my opinion), and discriminate, then they should be allowed to. I don't necessarily agree with turning away customers because I think with $$$, but it's their perogative to do so. It's like telling the girls that have they have to go out with every guy who asks them out, even if the boy isn't their type. That's discrimination too, if the girl says no! What do you think the guys would do if they were told that they couldn't discriminate against girls based on weight-- so they would be forced to date chubby girls? Most of them, from all races, would probably laugh.

The point that I'm trying to make is that we live in a free world, so if people want to exercise their right of choice, they should be able to do so. If some people want to be stupid and turn away customers, or not hire someone, then that's their deal. Move on. Chance are though, that with the changing demographics in the world, they'll have to come around at some point, or just die off.

As someone told me years ago, if you go back in the family trees far enough, you'll find a slave in your tree somewhere.
By the way, do some Google searches on white slavery and irish. It's very enlightening, especially for those people who thought that blacks and american-indians were the only slaves in recent times.

Stop bichin and move on!
Let the Gringo Putos Say Whatever They Want...
written by C.ostinha, July 12, 2007
Because frankly, makes no difference!

The americans on this board are inconsequential floating cacas, their mouth is BIGGER than their muzzles!

USA... Up Yours!

Costinha

Paulina da Cunha....
written by C.ostinha, July 12, 2007
Tem Cupa Eu???? Sua Revoltada!

Beijos na cula!
The Ugly Americans....
written by C.ostinha, July 12, 2007
Condescending epileptic seizures...."Welcome to the Congo"


Nuf said... Costinha
Mr. Martin Luther King Jr.
written by C.ostinha, July 12, 2007
Mr. Opie.....Do not compare yourself to Dr. King! He was a prominant humanitarian.....You on the other hand, oh well, I will live it up to your imagination which I know you don't have.

America, a Utopia for Blacks? Now that's really pushing it...... Hahahaha!

Costa
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written by Reza Shah, July 12, 2007
I'm an Iranian born and bred in London (England). So I don't really know much about this topic. What I will say nevertheless' is that I have a lot of Brazilian friends of many different races and they are the most nicest and most friendly people I have ever come across. The Brazialian women are the most prettiest and feminine of them all. Would love to go to Brazil one day for holiday.
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written by Reza Shah, July 12, 2007
By the way, from what I have seen, the Brazilian people regardless of their racial backgrounds mix well and get along well with eachother. They are very united compared to other communities here in London. Very hard workers.
Reza Shah
written by Paulo Cunha, July 12, 2007
Sir, are you related to the late Shah Reza Pallahvi, the great emperor of Persia? If, so you are most welcome to our country,especially if you bring in lots of Euros.

The Brazialian women are the most prettiest and feminine of them all


On this issue, I am not contesting at all.
go one day for holiday?
written by Simpleton, July 13, 2007
Reza, one day is not enough. When you go, don't think of it as holiday - LIVE together to the people, to the momement, to all that surrounds you. You have already noted much positive, it only gets better when you are there.

Paulo C., maybe your comments were not so nice. I knew one of the Shah's nephews, decent sort, lot's of fun, maybe a bit comical but not rico himself.
To:Simpleton
written by Paulo Cunha, July 13, 2007
Paulo C., maybe your comments were not so nice. I knew one of the Shah's nephews, decent sort, lot's of fun, maybe a bit comical but not rico himself.


Who might be you,my good sir?. You are wrong about my comments not being nice.I am glad that you came to know one of Shah´s nephews and found him to be fun loving and not Rico.But what I want to know is that this "Reza Shah" is genuine or representing the Mullahs in Iran. I have nothing agaist the Iranians,except that those Mullahs want to take their subjects back to the Middle ages.
Puxa
written by Simpleton, July 14, 2007
Reza, other than by choice of handle, showed some reason to believe he / she is a devious sort? Has hidden motives and ABE like agendas that were not stated but may yet come forth if incited by not niceness? Get a life PC better that you put forth honest efforts to condem and convict that which you already know is corrupt and stop pushing your prejudice.
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written by Paulo Cunha, July 14, 2007
Get a life PC better that you put forth honest efforts to condem and convict that which you already know is corrupt and stop pushing your prejudice.


I was trying to test your degree of your prejudice smilies/grin.gif.You passed with flying colors and it shows your greatness.My congrats.
to all
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 14, 2007
Sovereignty is not something you sign up for, it'snot an exclusive club you join where you get benefits as a matter-of-fact, but rather, it is a way you choose to experience life. It is a state of mind. True sovereignty begins with your choice to be free, to be self-reliant and to take responsibility for your own actions.
To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 14, 2007
It is a state of mind. True sovereignty begins with your choice to be free, to be self-reliant and to take responsibility for your own actions.


Truely sopken as a gentleman.If the people in this blog stop to think twice or many times, they will agree with your statement.For a Friday the 13th, it is a splendid comment.And big thanks.
Assume'
written by Simpleton, July 14, 2007
Very good to complement forrest for many many things JDS, incredible soul tis he I agree. Unfortunately you (as do many others) know his writting patterns so what is admirable of the admiral this time was clearly posted by another or was plagerized (or perhaps crafted by his better half which speaks no Texanese?). The question "Answer to whom?" one sometimes is asked, some reply "I answer to no man" while others simply ignore the question and speak only to themselves.
Preconceito versus Racismo
written by Brazuca, July 14, 2007
Original link to following essay dead now:

Numa recente argumentação por e-mail com uma colunista de um grande jornal sobre as cotas raciais, fiz a alegação de que racismo e preconceito são coisas distintas. A colunista ficou espantada com a minha alegação e eu, por preguiça ou desinteresse, resolvi não dar reply no e-mail. Agora a preguiça acabou.

A palavra preconceito já diz tudo: um conceito pré-concebido sem maiores análises. Ora analisando por esse aspecto, estamos todos os dias das nossas vidas praticando preconceito. Somente uma entidade onisciente poderia não ser preconceituosa, pois esta teria todo o conhecimento necessário para tomar uma decisão. Sempre que temos que tomar alguma decisão sobre algo que não conhecemos estamos agindo por preconceito. As pessoas inteligentes, ao perceberem que seus preconceitos não têm fundamento, mudam de idéia para se adaptar aos novos conceitos apreendidos. Alguns preconceitos mais comuns: preto é pobre; pobre é ladrão; mulher bonita é burra; homem vaidoso é viado; político (de direita) é ladrão; baiano é preguiçoso; judeu é sovina; americano é ignorante; brasileiro é esperto, e assim vai. O preconceito é um mecanismo que o ser humano desenvolve para lidar com fatores desconhecidos. Aqueles que são razoavelmente inteligentes e não possuem nenhuma patologia de ordem mental, logo percebem a veracidade ou não do seu conceito pré-estabelecido e realizam as devidas correções.

Se uma pessoa que nunca teve contato com a realidade em que vivemos estiver num ônibus e um grupo de azuis J entrar nele, provavelmente ela não terá nenhuma reação pois não há em suas experiências passadas nada que relacione um grupo de azuis a assalto ou violência. Por outro lado, alguém que tenha sido assaltado diversas vezes por grupos pessoas azuis, irá reagir de outra forma ficando apreensivo e nervoso mesmo. Se, eventualmente, esses azuis se revelarem pessoas de bem, o nervosismo e a apreensão logo desaparecem. Isso é o preconceito em ação.

Outro exemplo ainda mais claro: se eu passo na Avenida Atlântica, em Copacabana, um reconhecido ponto de prostituição, e vejo uma mulher vestida com uma mini-saia, botas até o joelho, batom vermelho-sangue e top de couro, meu preconceito dirá que ela é uma prostituta. Sim, meu preconceito, pois a única base que eu tenho para afirmar que a mulher vende sexo é o modo que ela está se vestindo. Quanto mais experiências acumulamos na vida mais os nossos preconceitos se aproximam de uma realidade (neste caso de Copacabana é bem provável que a mulher fosse mesmo uma prostituta ao invés de uma cientista nuclear excêntrica esperando por um táxi).

E o racismo? Bem, como nome também deixa bem claro é seguir uma doutrina baseada na raça (o sufixo ista designa seguidor de uma doutrina, partidário, sectário) . Para um racista, por exemplo, não importa se um azul é inteligente, honesto e amigável, ele simplesmente não tolera a raça azul. Não importa quanto contato o racista tenha com um azul, sempre vai haver aversão e, na melhor das hipóteses, tolerância. Ele não está antecipando nada em relação a uma pessoa azul, ele simplesmente não gosta da raça e ponto final. Às vezes o Estado promove é quem o racismo, como no caso das cotas raciais. O Estado não quer saber se o candidato negro é rico, inteligente, estudioso e, portanto, totalmente habilitado a passar no vestibular. Simplesmente o Estado destina x por cento das vagas exclusivamente aos negros, em detrimento de pessoas brancas em piores condições. Ao tomar uma decisão seguindo única e exclusivamente uma doutrina baseada na raça, o Estado praticou o mais puro racismo, mesmo que se queira chamar de outro nome mais bonitinho.

Basicamente esta é a diferença que eu vejo entre um preconceituoso e um racista. Este segue uma doutrina fundada na raça e não se importa com as características individuais dos membros dos grupos étnicos. Já para o preconceituoso, a raça pode ser apenas um parâmetro para suportar uma tomada de decisão que, posteriormente quando houver mais informações disponíveis, poderá se mostrar válido ou não.
simpleton
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 14, 2007
I write as i see fit for the time .
as people drink as they see fit
one has to eather raise or lower them selves to the persons around them ,( as if i spoke to most the people on this site the way i have to adress the people that pay me, i woul not be understood by them )

you know this one
ass out of you and me assume

the other side of me you dont want to see
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 14, 2007
i am a Brazilian. I have no desires, no will, no likes, no dislikes. I had been fashioned to resemble as closely as possible a human model which I had not chosen and which did not suit me. Day after day since my birth, I had been made up: my gestures, my attitudes, my vocabulary. My needs were repressed, my desires, my impetus, they had been dammed up, painted over, disguised and imprisoned. After having removed my brain, having gutted my skull, they had stuffed it full of acceptable thoughts which suited me like an apron on a cow. And when it was verified that the graft had taken, that I no longer needed anyone to control the waves which welled up from the depths of my being, I was let go. I could live freely.' roam 'in the context of the culture that makes us what we are
Brazilian.trying to deal with the network of chains that bind us: chains composed of gender, class, 'race' and religion and how the family transmits the past into the present and in doing so, hides the chains from our view.

I a country that does not give the BASICs rights to its people ,
that allows the wealthy to run as they see fit , that allow es the government to take what ever it wants , in in return say nothing to admit nothing .
but to place the blame on some one else everything is someone else fault
while we the people are set aside in the same country we are to be proud of
kept dumb by the government schools ,
kept hungry by the selling off of our food stocks .
denied good things to buy as the import tax is placed to high to deal with .
but every 4 years we set out to elect the new lords of the land not who is best but who we feel will not steal more from us than the last one.
all the new programs will not help Brazil or its people till we stop kidding ourselves we need change .
stop all the corruption .
stop all the lieing .
stop[p all the theft .
stop the killing of our young .
stop lieing to ourselves



Bem posta
written by Simpleton, July 14, 2007
Brazuca / Dudu, thank you for the reprint. The essay was very well put together, very claro, very easy to read even for non-bilinguals.
To:Simpleton
written by João da Silva, July 14, 2007
You are right.Someone is pirating the Admiral´s name smilies/grin.gif
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written by "Magnus Brasil", July 15, 2007
i am a Brazilian. I have no desires, no will, no likes, no dislikes. I had been fashioned to resemble as closely as possible a human model which I had not chosen and which did not suit me. Day after day since my birth, I had been made up: my gestures, my attitudes, my vocabulary. My needs were repressed, my desires, my impetus, they had been dammed up, painted over, disguised and imprisoned. After having removed my brain, having gutted my skull, they had stuffed it full of acceptable thoughts which suited me like an apron on a cow. And when it was verified that the graft had taken, that I no longer needed anyone to control the waves which welled up from the depths of my being, I was let go. I could live freely.' roam 'in the context of the culture that makes us what we are
Brazilian.trying to deal with the network of chains that bind us: chains composed of gender, class, 'race' and religion and how the family transmits the past into the present and in doing so, hides the chains from our view.

I a country that does not give the BASICs rights to its people ,
that allows the wealthy to run as they see fit , that allow es the government to take what ever it wants , in in return say nothing to admit nothing .
but to place the blame on some one else everything is someone else fault
while we the people are set aside in the same country we are to be proud of
kept dumb by the government schools ,
kept hungry by the selling off of our food stocks .
denied good things to buy as the import tax is placed to high to deal with .
but every 4 years we set out to elect the new lords of the land not who is best but who we feel will not steal more from us than the last one.
all the new programs will not help Brazil or its people till we stop kidding ourselves we need change .
stop all the corruption .
stop all the lieing .
stop[p all the theft .
stop the killing of our young .
stop lieing to ourselves


Again????!!!
Some things stand . . . Again????!!!
written by Simpleton, July 15, 2007
What's a matter
the us spends more on its ieagles than brasil spends on its peoples educaation
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 15, 2007



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html



*5.* *$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born* children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html



11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm



14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Hey deport them. We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!
Ana P.
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 16, 2007
I don't care what you say Ana, you are not a stripper living in Arizona. You write like a professor or college student who may have Brazilian ancestry, but a stripper just a few years removed from Brazil--no way. I congratulate you for not being a go-go girl, but just tell us who you really are. You use English slang terms and write sentences like you have lived here your whole life. Come on, fess up.

I am the Reverend, let freedom ring. And good luck to Brazil as you host the Pan Am games.
Billy Bob Thornton
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 16, 2007
And Billy Bob, you were married to Angelina Jolie and got to bling Halle Berry in "Monster's Ball." You were way too ugly for both women, so how did you do it?
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written by bo, July 16, 2007
the us spends more on its ieagles than brasil spends on its peoples educaation
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, 2007-07-15 14:52:46



1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html



*5.* *$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born* children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html



11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm



14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, Hey deport them. We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!


Damn Forrest, I've did a good bit of research on this issue and have been aware of most of what you posted, but a few things you posted took even me by surprise. Something's gotta change, we can't let this "rape" (in every sense of the word) of america and americans continue. All americans need to make this issue a priority with your political representatives!
Bo
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 16, 2007
Interesting stats Bo. I just read an article last night which predicts Mexico is on the verge of collapsing, so the impact will get worse before it gets better.
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written by João da Silva, July 16, 2007
I just read an article last night which predicts Mexico is on the verge of collapsing, so the impact will get worse before it gets better.


Reverand, now you sound very mysterious.Could you please guide me to the site where you read the article.I am curious to know if Mexico is on the verge of collapsing economically or due to some other reasons.Clue us all in.
Tanks!
written by Simpleton, July 17, 2007
Very good for someone to point out what's a matter since Magma Balls' (apparently) ill and had nothing to say again.
Penha abaixo
written by Simpleton, July 17, 2007
"The biggest misunderstanding is that Brazilians are . . . But Brazil was started in 1500 by the Portuguese, who speak Portuguese." P(iranha) Ana P.

Alas, I have found what I needed to find forgiveness for my ancestors who came permanently to the "new" world in 1620 and all that transpired betwinx then and now. I have not an understanding of Brazilians (but constantly am learning to yearn for more of such), and, as it appears, even less of an understanding of my own originations. Being that what grew from those worldly travesters to Brazil predates my own heritage I must pay homage to their undeniable success: Forget education, it is always spread too far and too thin and wasted on the less than worthy.

Based on the big smiles from the sombrero'd man driving the donkey cart (as likely did his father before him), I say it is clearly the lack of knowlege and (ill) experience that has the most promise of bringing bliss. Why look down in scorn from your glass tower in SC to say blah blah blah, education!, blah, and it does not matter that your skin is ___er than mine, after all we are all Brazilian?
Joao: Re Mexico
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 17, 2007
Go to www.theoildrum.com/node/2752, or search/google "The Oil Drum, Mexico:
A Nation State Dissolves."

It covers several areas, but a key issue is the fact the oil is drying up. What to do when that happens, my goodness.
Also
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 17, 2007
What to do if money earned in the U.S. and sent to Mexico dries up for any reason?
To Martin
written by Ana P., July 17, 2007
I learned English when I was 12 and also speak Italian and some Spanish. I am no stupid ditzy girl. I am very smart. And for all you know I may be a college student or already done with school. I have lived here for almost 5 years now long enough to know the local slangs also spent a lot of time in Cali and travelled to almost 30 different states.
It is funny to assume just because I am a Brazilian I am stupid and can't manage to learn to speak English. I call Arizona home now but I lived in Cali before. Also I am a dancer but that doesn't translate into being stupid. I dance for the money since the wages are quite low around here due to illegal immigration. High living costs and the desire to live a comfortable life without financial worries made me want to dance. I enjoy fine things in life such as fine dining, travel, help my family back in Brazil, a large wardrobe of shoes and clothes, getting my hair and nails done weekly, spa trips, tons of toys for my son, a large home and nice cars.
I am not the Mcdonal'ds type of girl LOL. Even when my resources were limit I always had champgne taste but a beer budget. Now I can afford to pamper myself and my loved ones.
I am not the typical stripper that's why I bank since I have much more to offer than my body. I have a brain full of useful information. I don't have a formal education(finished high school), I believe you can get much more knowledge through life experiences, love for your family and others and discovering the world its beauty and diversity.
You can also visit my page: http://myspace.com/anapaulah
My B-day was on July 15th, feel free to live a belated Happy B-day note if you wish.
Peace!
Ana Paula
to Martin and to Simpleton
written by AnaPaula, July 17, 2007
I learned English when I was 12 and also speak Italian and some Spanish. I am no stupid ditzy girl. I am very smart. And for all you know I may be a college student or already done with school. I have lived here for almost 5 years now long enough to know the local slangs also spent a lot of time in Cali and travelled to almost 30 different states.
It is funny to assume just because I am a Brazilian I am stupid and can't manage to learn to speak English. I call Arizona home now but I lived in Cali before. Also I am a dancer but that doesn't translate into being stupid. I dance for the money since the wages are quite low around here due to illegal immigration. High living costs and the desire to live a comfortable life without financial worries made me want to dance. I enjoy fine things in life such as fine dining, travel, help my family back in Brazil, a large wardrobe of shoes and clothes, getting my hair and nails done weekly, spa trips, tons of toys for my son, a large home and nice cars.
I am not the Mcdonal'ds type of girl LOL. Even when my resources were limit I always had champgne taste but a beer budget. Now I can afford to pamper myself and my loved ones.
I am not the typical stripper that's why I bank since I have much more to offer than my body. I have a brain full of useful information. I don't have a formal education(finished high school), I believe you can get much more knowledge through life experiences, love for your family and others and discovering the world its beauty and diversity.
You can also visit my page: http://myspace.com/anapaulah
My B-day was on July 15th, feel free to live a belated Happy B-day note if you wish.
Peace!
Ana Paula

Ana P. Stands for Ana Paula but apparently the name was already taken. Saying something like that only shows how much class you have and the level you are willing to go but that word doesn't offend me since it means "easy girl" or "slut" which I am none of these. You can easy find tons of Americans piranhas hanging out at the bars looking to "hooking up".
bring back that wife swap show and trade them up and down class
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 17, 2007
simpleton dont think about what the man is driving now , but what his kids will be driving when they get his age . without , schools , roads and making it clear that the only reason 5% of the population lives in thoes glass towers ,
is off the cheep laubor of the rest of the brasilians they mock
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written by bo, July 17, 2007
I am not the typical stripper that's why I bank since I have much more to offer than my body. I have a brain full of useful information.



You should put that statement on your tombstone. Words to live by! smilies/wink.gif
MLK
written by João da Silva, July 17, 2007
Re Mexico


Thanks Reve,for the link. It is absolutely a must read for many right thinking planners of any country,let alone Mexico. The theory of a Nation State can collapse,but a Nation can still retain its identity is interesting.When a country can not feed its own citizens,in spite of its immense wealth unequally distributed,then some leave the country in pursuit of better opportunities and the others who remain turn to alternatives (different sects of religion, militias to protect them,drug trafficking ,Tax evasion, etcsmilies/wink.gif Thus starts the process of the collapse of a Nation State.

In the case of Mexico, it is amazing to note that the world´s wealthiest man is Carlos Slim, a Mexican. I dont know if he is doing any philanthropic work like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet to better the Mexican society.

What to do if money earned in the U.S. and sent to Mexico dries up for any reason?


The answer is obvious!

After reading the article, the first question that came to my mind was if we in Brasil are also undergoing this process of collapse.I guess only the time will say.
Ana P
written by João da Silva, July 17, 2007
I am not the typical stripper that's why I bank since I have much more to offer than my body. I have a brain full of useful information.


Hey Ana, how is your project of growing Sugar Cane in the Arizona Desert coming up? Do you recall the idea we gave ya?
Sugar Cane and Bo
written by AnaPaula, July 17, 2007
LOL Joao. Not the farming type but my family does still farming in Brazil but they do tomatoes. They actually live in a small town knonw as the capital of the tomato in the interior of Rio. Most of the farming in the US are done by big corporations, small farmers no longer exist and if they do they are barely able to sustain themselves.
I am into fashion and I want to open my own Boutique back in Brazil in a few years and retire and just for extra fun cash and to do something besides laying on the beach.

To BO: I don't need to live by those words. I am a person and a kind individual with deep love for my family and life. Due God's wishes I didn't grow up having a priveledge life and was deprived from manys things during my childhood. Having a son now, the last thing I wish for him is to go to the same and seeing my parents working hard their whole I only want is to give them a good life and be able to take care of their medical neccessities since my mother is ill and require a lot of money for medical care. My husband is a hard working guy but also had responsibilities to his prior children and pay child support to them which I am all for it. I don't wish to leave all of the bagage on his shoulder and want to find a job that allows me to spend time with my boy. The thought of letting strangers raise my kid never cross my mind since I was raised on a very traditional and loving family. I really want my child to know who I am and have me there if he needed me. My job allows me to make my own schedule, walk my boy to school and pick him up and spend the whole day with him. When I am working he is asleep and his dad is at home. I work only 3x a week. 15 hours per week and I make anything between $900 per week to $3000. If you can point me a job that pays the same with the same hours, I will for sure go for it.
I am really trying to figure out why you have such of problem with stripping since it is legal.
Ana P
written by João da Silva, July 18, 2007
am really trying to figure out why you have such of problem with stripping since it is legal.


Go Stark Naked in the World,dear.It makes no difference to me.I cant save your parents´s tomato farm and I wish you all the best.
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written by AnaPaula, July 18, 2007
LOL Joao. Thanks. The only person that has a problem with it is BO and some other guy here.

Life is short, play naked!
Joao
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 18, 2007
I have always found the study of how populations react when the state unit collapses or can no longer protect them very interesting. That is, do people turn to the family, clan, tribe or some other loyal group? Or do they take refuge or seek protection with the biggest and baddest feudal-type lords (the ancestors of today's European Royal families) like the masses of Europeans did during the very violent and dangerous centuries after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire?

There is no way to know if Mexico or Brazil are definitely headed that way, but it seems to me many African nations provide an example of who are already in such a state. Many of those African states ceased to exist as real nation states decades ago--if they ever were nation-states. Basil Davidson, an African Historian of British descent says Africans lost faith in any folks outside of the tribe or clan during the centuries of slave trading. Think about it; would you have faith in your society if it could not protect you from being all of a sudden hit on the head, waking up with slave chains on you and being transported thousands of miles for a life of servitude never to see your family and friends again? That must have been a nightmare to imagine such a thing. Africans today sometimes have more faith inthose outside of Africa than they do in there fellow Africans.

A state and the laws it has must maintain credibility with the people or all kinds of horrific scenarios can result.
the avrage life on earth is hard and full what you let people put into it
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 18, 2007
as a way to think the night you go home take a shower and get out still fealing dirty
dont go back .
there are many young kids in brasil and all over the world that trade sex for a better life .

if you have a man that can let you dance and still feel safe he is a keeper . for the trust he has in you and your life togeather .
Ana P.
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 18, 2007
Something still does not compute Ana. I wish you good luck with your plan to return to Brazil and open a business. And this has nothing to do with me questioning your intelligence. For example there are very smart people in this world who still can't write a lick of Chinese either, so just because one is not bi-lingual does not mean one is stupid.

I think some of what you are saying may be true, but all of it probably isn't. Maybe you are the part Brazilian daughter of the person who runs this site, but only a bada-bing type stripper--no way.

Oh, and what is your opinion of Sheriff Joe in Phoenix?
Ana
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 18, 2007
I assume I am "some other guy" who has a problem with you being a stripper.

I have no problem with it, but I am puzzled by a "recently" arrived Brazilian stripper who writes English better than many born and bred American citizens.

Apply for a job writing editorials with The New York Times. They could use the input.
Or become a speechwriter for George Bush; your English is better than his.
Work is Work
written by Simpleton, July 18, 2007
Whether that be driving a donkey cart or providing what service is legal where you are that commands a better payoff than McD's. I know many who do none of the above in preferance to taking any job at 1X salary (doesn't matter if it's fun, easy or just plain honest hard labour at the going rate). With this they seem satisfied though clearly not living as happy and blissfull a life due to the constant stress. Here I think this decision is much less possible lest you want to live much much lower and or beyond next week / next month / next season.

The whole family not being to stay on the farmstead and make do, and, after several generations seeing it disappear or be wiped out from under those left trying to make it is not new or novel. In this, the signs and symptoms are that the north and south are not so many years / decades separated in "progress".

Ana, descupla for my jockjularity and play on words, letters and syllables. Although I don't concur with your definitions for the term, you are clearly not the classic P type, neither here nor there, irregardless of whether we use your understanding of the term, mine or that provided by Larousse. Anyway, Happy belated birthday!
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written by AnaPaula, July 18, 2007
I have shocked people many times because most of them assume I am dumb not just because I am an immigrant but simple because a 24 year old girl. Around here they don't have much to offer on the brain department anyways also because of my appearance, you know, having fake boobs always looking put together(I never live the house without makeup and heels).
I am just a stripper and I am not a fake persona on the net. I don't consider 5 years recently arrived and I think every immigrant should learn the language of the country they reside in and adapt to the culture. Keep in mind that I am never around other Brazilians and most of friends and neighbors are Americans which really helps me pick up the local slangs. My hubby is born and raised American and sometimes I correct his English. Sometimes people have a hard time understanding him because of his accent(he is from up north) but they can understand me and I still have an accent not too strong of course.

ON Sheriff Joe:
He treats the inmates in a unhumanly way. Having them staying on tents in the middle of the desert. You know how hot is here during the Summer? You can't even go oyut during the day with small children because it is unbearable. He only feeds them baloney which has no nutrients or vitamins. One immate died there for lack of medical care and they are going after him. He is flauting around with money of course we all know sheriffs don't get pay well. Wonder where the money is coming from?
Also his long time obssession with shuting down strip clubs and spending tax payers money on vices to go in and try arrest strippers. Most of the time they will lie and say things you never said just to get an arrest. Thank God, I can spot a vice from miles away and normally I go there and say : Hi, officer, I hope you having a nice time!. My club has cameras everywhere to make sure no one is doing anything illegal including drugs.
anaP
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, July 18, 2007
People go to jail for punshment , not to get a education
they have done something to get them there ,
except they have rights in the US , have you seen a brasilian. prison
a sandwitch would bea nice thing to have , where as they have to feed a certin ammount of food , by caloric intake a day

also his pay is almost $75,000 a year .

and the real reason i dont mind them being in tents
was i spent a year and a half in a tent with people shooting at me as our troops are now and they are in tents
while all theies people have is to fallow the rules
Sheriff Joe
written by Martin Luther King Jr., July 18, 2007
I was in Phoenix registering voters in 2004 and Sheriff Joe was running for re-election and I remember his income being an issue. And yes, I know how hot it gets in summer since I was outside at least 8 hours per day in 110 degree heat. One of my co-workers registered voters at a post office in Goodyear Ana.

But that Sheriff Joe, somebody should do a movie about him. Does he go too far? I guess it depends on one's perspective. How many folks in Arizona do not break the law because they do not want to spend days in tents in the sweltering Arizona desert?
I made sure I didn't even speed while I was there.
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written by bo, July 19, 2007
To BO: I don't need to live by those words. I am a person and a kind individual with deep love for my family and life. Due God's wishes



Please don't throw GOD into this Ana! That is blasphemy my dear child. Because accord to HIS WORD he certainly would not condone your work! One day you will learn that money is not everything. You have sold your soul for the almighty dollar. That son you talk about will grow up one day and regardless of what you believe or what he will tell you, your actions will have detrimental effects on him. I'm not trying to curse you, it's just the way it is, I've been around long enough to know.

You constantly spout how you are an intelligent woman with love for your family, blah, blah, blah. Well you certainly don't show it by disrespecting them by lowering yourself to a level where what you think and who you are are the LAST thing that your "customers" think about or give two s**ts about. I know america, my family arrived there BEFORE it was america! When girls resort to STRIPPING to earn a living it is because of ONE thing and ONE thing only.......GREED. And, at the end of the day, I don't care if they have a Ph.D, they're stupid!
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written by Ric, July 23, 2007
At least she could write to her family and encourage them to stop doing tomatoes.
To Ric
written by AnaPaula, July 24, 2007
They are farmers. It is their lives. They will never abandon what they love which is the land. My father comes from a family of people that works on the land. His dad immigrate from Italy. I help my family financially but they are still working on the land by choice. They love the country life and would be difficult to move to a big city after long years living in the country. I visit often as well and spend my Summer vacations there with my son since he is out of school. He loves all the animals, the fresh fruits, the green land. I think is wonderful to bring some of that to his life since I was raised being very carefree. My parents are the most wonderful giving people I know...
Inclusion not segregation
written by Garvey, November 11, 2007
I think A Brazilian is once again of the mark. If you had to question most people who are the victims or the focus of discrimination or unequal and biased treatment based on an inherited physical characteristic then you would find that the common theme is inclusion not separation or segregation. Most people subjected to racism and discrimination want to see an end to it so that they carry on with the business of living life. Its about being on the outside, an outcast. they want in on the system, the wealth, the opportunities by being on a equal footing with everyone else. Rascism differentiates negatively. Differentiation is harmless as long as it doesn't single out a specific group as being superior or inferior. But it can't end when people are apologists for that type of behaviour or when they marginalise your own experiences of it by telling you that it doesn't exist. On the subject of link between white supremisist groups and the black civil consciousness and civil rights movement that is just b**ls**t plain and simple. That nonsence is not even worth responding to. Thats like saying the The Aryan Nation Brotherhood was inviting Rev. Jesse Jackson to be their President and spokesman. And you base this ascertion on what you read in a internet forum? Come on now!
PFFF!
written by Another Brazilian, December 08, 2007
I think this talk about race is so stupid. All skin color mean is natural adaptation, a product of evolution, as humans moved around the world. If you see a science show on PBS you will know this: we were all descendants of the black race because the first humans were black. Why all this fear of skin pigmentation?? All it is is more or less carotenoids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...sityLg.jpg

(isn't that beautiful? So are we. Diversity is great! Don't be afraid of it.)

It's so idiotic to keep hearing this crap. It's not a culture that teaches racism. It's us, individually: parents, generation after generation, keeping it alive. I laugh at Brazilians saying they are white. There's no such thing, really. Every true Brazilian has been mixed and remixed. As guess what? In the US there's also racism amongst the blacks: lighter blacks look down upon darker blacks. There's racism amongst the white folks too, based on class and income. So you see, this is just too dumb!

There is racism everywhere and always will be. But that's just because we humans make very little use of our brains. We are too stupid to understand that skin color really does not matter one bit. It's about what's inside, who we are, how we are, the love we carry. We, however, prefer to live on the surface. Facing the fact that we are all equal would signify we need to allow others to be different, and we'd have to be more humble and accepting of everyone. That's too hard, so we categorize everything. It's a CHOICE.

This talk of country too, nationality - another stupidity. It only separates us. In the end, we are all humans, all have the same feelings, desires, needs. And time goes so fast while we are dumb enough to waste it in empty arguments. What we all need is a bigger vision of ourselves and this poor planet. We need to stop arguing, fighting, defending governments. While we are down here saying "mine is better than yours", governments are screwing us all. The American Dream is just that. With the politicians playing bitches for the Big Corps, you and I are just hamsters on wheels for them. yeah, work hard, make money, pay taxes, eat and breathe poison, buy plastic s**t you don't need because it makes you feel better momentarily, make them richer so they can control more of your life, all the while making you think you are really getting some place, when all you do is to spin really fast (you hamster you).

Wake up, Earthlings! Smell the espresso! Live consciously, get along with others, stop being so judgmental and get a life. Live and let live and try to be happy dancing to the beat of your own drum. Screw superficial differences. These stupidities are exactly why we are still having wars in the world, despite so many generations and so much knowledge.

Oh, and stop breeding. The world's full already. We've already have ran out of space.
I do agree in parts but not in all. There are some falacies in this text...
written by Vicente Adolfi, June 06, 2009
OK, as a brazilian i'd like to make a couple of observations about this text.
1st - NOT ALL Brazilians are "mixed". Thats a fallacy, and defnitelly NOT ALL brazilians have black blood. Maybe most have but not everyone. MANY brazilians deffinitily dont have any. I'm a 100% white (azorean, italian and german) guy from southern brazil (tough living in Rio de Janeiro right now) and just like to make it clear! Does the fact of bothering with those falacies makes me a racist? Dont know.. maybe a little. All i know is that i try to not discriminate anyone and threat everybody wel as long as they threat well to. And i do know that its dumb threat an entire group of people just acording a physical characterist as their skin color.
2- NOT ALL brazilians are racist either. Maybe we all have some prejudices inside us but we have to strugle against it knowing its not correct. Also blacks are the ethinic group who have the biggest % of people amonsg criminal and poors in most of brazil. Thats not because of inferiority of then but because of the slavery wich reflects even today and conseqquent lack of oportunities they had even after the abolishment of slavery. So it explains why so much people have this kind of stereotype aginst blacks as many of then are crininals. But most of then ARE NOT criminals and people should be aware of not threating others based upon stereotypes and prejudices. But its needed alot of education and also the capability of putting yourself on others shoes in order to do that.

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