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How Violence and Neglect Destroyed My Favorite Corner of Brazil PDF Print E-mail
2007 - July 2007
Written by Ernest Barteldes   
Tuesday, 31 July 2007 08:26

Abandoned Ceará, Brazil's Mirante As a young adult in the city of Fortaleza, Brazil, I had two favorite destinations for my times of leisure: the first was Praia de Iracema, which was then the main nightlife district of the city, with plenty of venues for live music, dining or simply strolling around.

The other was Mirante, a restaurant row on top of a mountain that has striking views of the city's skyline that for years was the place to go to enjoy an early evening sunset and a nice dinner.

I remember going to these places, and the memories lingered for years after I relocated to New York City in the fall of 2000.

You can only imagine my shock when I returned for a two-week visit during the second half of July, when I showed my former hometown to my Polish-born wife, who had never been to Latin America before.

After taking her to the historic Ponte dos Ingleses (Englishmen's Bridge), a defunct pier that was refurbished about 10 years ago to become a tourist attraction, we strolled over the seafront sidewalk where I used to hang out years ago.

To my dismay, I found that only one restaurant, Sobre o Mar, survives there; Pirata Bar, which opens on Mondays only ("the craziest Monday night in the planet") still thrives in spite of the decline of the neighborhood where it is located.

The remaining buildings, however, just sit there abandoned like ghosts; many are in dire need of repair, and others look half-demolished.

At Mirante the situation was not different; the area where once you could get an excellent fish cooked on a ceramic roofing tile (peixe na telha) and hear some great music performances is completely abandoned save for a small pizza place and a newsstand that also sells beer and cheap wine.

My impression when I got off the cab was that it was too early for the restaurants to be open, but after talking to a handful of locals (one of them who warned me about the dangers of being mugged there) I learned that all the venues had closed about a year after I moved to New York.

The reasons for this situations are various: the first thing is that Fortaleza is a cyclical town. Places that are "hot" today are gone before you know it, as patrons gravitate to the next fashionable destination that people are talking about.

Another reason is the lack of security. At Praia de Iracema, drug dealers and the rise of sexual tourism contributed to its decline, according to a report published last year in O Povo, one of the city's major daily newspapers.

At Mirante, what happened was quite different: as violence and muggings escalated in the area surrounding the restaurants, patrons began to lose interest in the place.

Slowly, the venues began closing one by one - the last to finally shut down was Alô Brasil, a bar that featured phones on every table and a number over them; patrons could "call" the neighboring tables and begin a flirting situation.

The success of that venue, however, did not help - cars were often burglarized, and visitors were often held up for their possessions. "The situation just went out of control," said a longtime resident of the neighborhood who we'll call José. "People just stopped coming here due to the violence."

José points out that even without the nightlife, Mirante is a good place to live in. "Muggers don't bother the residents; if you live here, you can rest assured that nothing is going to happen to you. I would not recommend tourists to come here, though. It represents a huge risk for them and also for anyone who seeks out to protect them."

I asked José if he had hopes that Mirante would attract new businesses sometime in the future, and he said it cannot happen without political will.

"Current mayor Luizianne Lins got many votes from us after making promises to revitalize the community, and I volunteered on her campaign hoping this would happen," José says with a sigh. "As you can see, it was nothing but promises."

As of this writing, inquiries to the Fortaleza City Hall officials have remained unanswered.

Portuguese-born Julio Trindade, the owner of the Pirata Bar in Praia de Iracema, told me that "this neighborhood is constantly reinventing itself - something will surely happen in the near future, and we'll be here to witness it."

The truth is that there are no easy answers when it comes to the revitalization of those areas. "We need to guarantee that not only tourists, but also families can walk around the area safely without any fear to their personal security," says a recent editorial from O Povo newspaper.

"All it takes is one incident of violence to mar whatever efforts towards restructuring the area. It is necessary that an efficient security system can ensure to every resident and visitor that strolling through Praia de Iracema generates zero stress in terms of safety. Once that is done, the rest is easy."

"The government needs to provide the right amount of security so that people will feel safe to come here," said José about Mirante. "I think that if there is a strong police presence in the area, the businesses will return and so will visitors."

Fortunately for tourists, not all of Fortaleza is in such state of abandonment. Beira-Mar avenue, home to many famous hotels, continues to thrive, and so does Praia do Futuro, where you can enjoy Brazilian-style boiled crabs (caranguejo, cooked in coconut sauce with scallions and cilantro).

The recently built Central Market in downtown can provide hours of pleasant shopping for crafts made by artisans, typical foods and various other goods. A stroll at the Dragão do Mar Cultural Center can almost make you forget about the state of Praia de Iracema just a few blocks away.

That does not change the fact that something needs to be done about Mirante and Praia de Iracema. To turn a blind eye to the situation there is to turn away from the city's history, and it is also a loss of great business opportunity.

Why not follow the example of New York's Times Square, where government and business came together to bring change in what was one of The Big Apple's sleaziest areas? All it takes is the will to change - the communities and visitors would be eternally grateful for that.

Ernest Barteldes is a freelance writer based on Staten Island, New York. He can be reached at ebarteldes@yahoo.com.



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"I would not recommend tourists to come here, though. It represents a huge risk for them..."
written by ch.c., July 31, 2007
A fact....ALL OVER BRAZIL !!!!!
Many tourists are robbed, some are assaulted, others are raped, a few are killed and sometimes they are abducted and later ......TORTURED AND THEN CUT IN PIECES.!!!!!!!!!

Avoiding Brazil is good for the health of foreign tourists !!!!!

SIMPLE !!!!!
to the person above
written by Shelly, August 01, 2007
I wold tell you that in the States--Washington D.C has the same problems.I went to Adams Morgan this past week only to find out that in NW 4 people died in a drive-by-shooting. Most gang members were out in the streets and were looking for trouble. I left and will never dine again in Washington DC!!! Filthy city full of gangs, beggars and prostitutes.
to the person above
written by Shelly, August 01, 2007
I wold tell you that in the States--Washington D.C has the same problems.I went to Adams Morgan this past week only to find out that in NW 4 people died in a drive-by-shooting. Most gang members were out in the streets and were looking for trouble. I left and will never dine again in Washington DC!!! Filthy city full of gangs, beggars and prostitutes.
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written by bo, August 01, 2007
Most gang members were out in the streets and were looking for trouble.


Shelly, most people don't go to crack neighborhoods to have dinner! Come on now, I've been to some of the worst places that exist in the U.S. I lived in Atlanta Ga. for 7 years. And all the bad neighborhoods in the U.S. are DRUG areas, where drugs are being sold on the street and in "the projects". Most people know where those areas are and simply don't go there.

I was born, and my family still lives, in a city 2.5 hours from Washington DC. I'm very familiar with it. And what I said above not only applies to it but also to every other american city. One can't say that about brazil. Poverty and crime here infiltrate every nook and cranny. One can live in the best neighborhood in Brazil and still yet the poverty and or crime will come to your doorstep.
Responding to derogatory comments
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 01, 2007
This article is about two separate communities in Fortaleza, which is a city that is safe for tourists except for a few areas. I was
there for two weeks and no one bothered me. A full travel piece is in the works. As for the Brazil haters, I wonder why you visit this site at
all. It's like you have nothing better to do with your sad, meaningless lives. Get a life.
Response to bo
written by Shelly, August 01, 2007
IF you say you know D.C then you should know that Adams Morgan isn't a crack area!!! We were there in a nightclub doing a fundraising event for some students in Thailand and went out to dinner, next door, only find out that we felt uncomfortable being around the gangs. When I got home, next day found out that there was a shooting 12 miles from where we were.However, the inner city problems are all over DC, not only in Adams Morgan, but also in nice hippie GeorgeTown where students cannot walk alone in the evening because of rape and robbery issues going on there. I live in this area, not 2.5 hours of DC and have lived in suburban area.The problems with poverty and crime are, for obvious reasons less, but they do exist. I work with the Fairfax county and deal with the poorer neighborhoods and the issues are the same in Rio and here. Now, my aunt lives in Buzios, 3 hours from Rio and crime rate is lower than Herndon or Sterling. Bo, I agree with you that the violence in Rio has escalated to civil war statistics, I am from Rio. I have also lived in England for over 15 years-less than 2 hours from London and didn't have a problem there, going out was a breeze. Even with the bomb scare, I still think it is safer to go out in London than here. I have family there and visit them every year, but I can't say that about Washington DC. I live in Leesburg/Ashburn area, so I know that Fairfax, Prince William County and Leesburg all have poverty and crime. Don't try to portray that the US suburbs are poverty or crime ridden, because is not. Outside of Rio, Angra, Rio das Ostras etc, you can live a peaceful life. Some of my relatives live in Macae, Buzios, Angra etc and are quite happy there.
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written by bo, August 01, 2007
When I got home, next day found out that there was a shooting 12 miles from where we were



12 miles??!!! For the love of christ, which state was it in? Virginia, Maryland, or West Virginia??!
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written by bo, August 01, 2007
Don't try to portray that the US suburbs are poverty or crime ridden, because is not. Outside of Rio, Angra, Rio das Ostras etc, you can live a peaceful life. Some of my relatives live in Macae, Buzios, Angra etc and are quite happy there.



Shelly,

There are roughly 315 million people living in the U.S. Last year there were 14,000 people murdered there. There are roughly 185 million people living in Brazil. Last year there were roughly 57,000 people murdered there. You do the math.
Responding to Ernest Angely!
written by bo, August 01, 2007
"....thou evil spirits COME OUT!!


I guess we should be like the three monkeys??






smilies/sad.gif
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written by bo, August 01, 2007
To Shelly abd Barteildes !
written by ch.c., August 01, 2007
USA :
- population 300 millions, annual crimes rate 15000
BRAZIL :
- population 185 millions, annual crimes rate 55000

Simple maths, Brazil has a crime rate of 6 times.....the USA crime rate.....PER 100'000 capita !!!! SIMPLE

Another horrifying Brazilian official stat. :
- "In Brazil 50 % of youths deaths, aged 15-24 years, is due to violent deaths"

If you know another country with similar or worse numbers for the deaths of youths, aged 15-24 years, simply SPELL the name of such country and your sources !!!!!
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written by Shelly, August 02, 2007
Well this is the crime stat for the US. Yes, we do have more crime, but aren't you guys supposed to be a first world country "where all man are created equal"? What a shame!!!! First world country with poverty and homicide going up, it won't be long. And when was the crime stat you pulled 2000? The preliminary is much higher than that dear, do you research properly!!! Crime in America has gone up 1.3%, be careful with stats like these, it won't be long until you become like "us". Your living standards has gone down, education is underfunded and the story looks a bit like ours, don't you think? And America is crumbling dear, you guys cannot have an economy without waging war or creating debt. And 12 miles from where I was, It takes you to the end of NW, idiot!!!

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/06prelim/ucrtable1.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/06prelim/ucrtable1.htm
http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,q,562768.asp FOR DC ALONE!!!
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0197-5897(2001)22:22.0.CO;2-X If you can read it from JSTOR. Crimes involving youths in America, California alone:
"In 1993, 90% of homicides of 15-19 years old in California were due to firearms"
White trash middle class Americans!!!
written by Shelly, August 02, 2007
Get a life
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 02, 2007
Please stay away from my articles, Brazil haters. You bring nothing positive... what do crime rates in DC have to do with this?
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written by Shelly, August 02, 2007
Dear, Your write a piece and you have all people write all sorts of stuff. the Fact that I used DC as an example has to do with the first response from Ch.c!!! Are you crazy or do not understand plain English, I am Brazilian and have all the right to say whatever I want here. The fact that Americans like to put Fortaleza down is ridiculous and their cities aren't crime free either. You are not a true journalist, You don't like it, don't write it!!!!
dear Shelly
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 02, 2007
A true journalist is entitled to his or her opinion as well; the fact that I become angry at the comments is only natural and human, don' t you think? The reason I posted this piece was to bring awareness to the plight of Praia de Iracema and Mirante, not to generate idiocies from people who say that you will get sliced up in Brazil; This has been a tendency on this site that we have to fight.
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written by Shelly, August 02, 2007
Ernest,

I got the message from the article. Equally, as a Brazilian citizen, I cannot sit and allow people that (I am assuming this) never set foot outside the big cities in Brazil to say that the whole country is like Rio or Sao Paulo. The big cities in my country are suffering and no one is denying this fact. I actually acknowledged on all of my posts that we have some hard issues in our country. The fact is, Americans in general don't know much about the world-apart from when they invade a country. I have married an Englishman and I love the fact that I decided to live with him in Rio for 2 years, he really learned a lot about my country and loves the people, the music, the culture and suffers when tragedies occur. I don't know if this guy is an American (but anyone behind a PC can claim anything) the fact that he said that people gets sliced up angered me. Here it also happens and worse things. School shootings, violent crimes-this week how many baby skeletons were found in someone's backyard??? Crime happens everywhere these days, some places more than others, but what I will now allow it to happen is for some person that has never set foot in Buzios, Angra, Rio das Ostras to say that we have high crime rate, because we don't. Most crimes in Brazil comes from the big cities.

I am sorry if I have offended you, but did you read my previous posts? The whole DC thing was to show the other poster that he cannot say or think that here we are safe. Safety varies as well as the meaning of it. When writing articles, one should consider the type of audience and for what I have seen around this web site, most people here would quick jump into conclusion, it shows how the level of education from some people here. One can be literate, but education is a whole different matter. You have opened a can of worms and should expect this kind of reaction coming from a xenophobic, egocentrist, anthropocentric (in a environmentalist view) society---the me,me,me,me,me,me nation. I have lived here for over 10 years and have met one American that is loving, caring and concerned about others. Sending money to charities is great, but in my opinion charity begins at home, and the level of poverty in this country is growing faster than anyone could imagine. There are now unofficially 5 social classes (just read some Anthropological studies) and the middle class is shrinking just as quick as the poverty in this country. Still, it is relatively safe here and we can still make some money (better than in Brazil).
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written by Shelly, August 02, 2007
Sorry my last line didn't make sense, we should have a preview bottom!---the middle class is shrinking and the level of poverty has risen in this country smilies/tongue.gif
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written by Michael William, August 02, 2007
Dear Shelly,

From reading your posts, it is clear that you are the only person in this forum with deep-seated anger and hatred issues. The author, who is Brazilian, way was simply lamenting the decline of one of his favorite places in Fortaleza. Similar declines in public safety have occurred widely in Brazil during the past two decades and it is quite sad. You are correct that degradation in Brazilian public security has occurred mainly in the big cities but to say that rural Brazil is not complicit is naive. The erosion of public security is in part due to the fact that millions of people from the Brazilian interior have migrated to the big cities which do not have the infrastructure, institutions, and public will to support them. Brazil is one of the most corrupt countries in the world by any measure, with one of the highest disparities between rich and poor in the world. Crime remains rampant in the Brazilian interior, as does corporate slavery.

Your comparisons to Washington, DC are quite frankly, laughable. I split time between Washington and Brazil - mainly Rio and Porto Alegre. True, Washington is far from crime free. Shamefully, it has a higher crime rate than most places in the U.S. But, to call it a "filthy city full of crime, beggars and prostitutes" is ludicrous. How many murders or rapes have their been in Georgetown in the past year? I challenge you to compare the number to a wealthy neighborhood in Rio such as Leblon or Ipanema. I can assure you that I walk around Georgetown late at night and have for 10 years. As for Adams Morgan, yes, it is a rougher neighborhood. It is also culturally very rich, primarily comprised of immigrant communities from Latin America, Africa, and Asia and has great Ethiopian, Latin, and Asian restaurants. The gangs are exclusively Latino, mostly immigrants or first generation Americans. As for the crime in the suburbs where you live, that is predominantly Latino-gang related as well. You remind me of one of those classic suburbanites who is afraid of a little city adventure.

But let's get back to Brazil. Other posters have pointed out the level of epidemic violence occuring in Brazil as compared to the U.S. There is no comparison. Statistically, Rio and SP are more dangerous to children than the West Bank. Just today, the U.N. released a report exposing the extreme threat of violence to Brazilian children (how children are treated is one of the big reflections on any given society):

Entre todas as questões relativas à situação do adolescente brasileiro, a morte violenta de menores de 19 anos é a que mais preocupa o Fundo das Nações Unidas para a Infância (Unicef) no país, segundo Mario Volpi, oficial de programas da instituição.

You do have a right to voice your opinion, but when you do so in such a sick, hateful, uninformed manner people will of course challenge you. Why don't you move back to Brazil if you hate the U.S. so much.
Michael William
written by João da Silva, August 02, 2007
Why don't you move back to Brazil if you hate the U.S. so much.


Because, Shelly herself answered your question:

Still, it is relatively safe here and we can still make some money (better than in Brazil).


The author of the article Ernest Bateldes did indeed write a very good article pointing out how his favorite place is being destroyed.And he was merely trying to point out the indifference shown by the authorities in developing tourism there.In fact he was expressing the opinion of many Brazilians who are seeing their favorite places being destroyed because of the greed on the part of speculators and negligence by the elected officials who just pay lip service to tourism.

Ernest deserves our congrats for raising up reall issues that have to be addressd to and solved in order to bring in foreign tourists and also to inform the readers there are plenty of other places besides Rio and S.Paulo to visit in Brazil.

And you Michael,now you know that there are other places besides Washington D.C.,POA and Rio to visit in Brazil, when you have time. smilies/grin.gif
To:Bo
written by João da Silva, August 02, 2007
I guess we should be like the three monkeys??


No, you have my full permission to express your opinion freely smilies/grin.gif Even if I say No, you will come back in a couple of days time!!

btw, I didnt know some polemic discussions were going on in this thread!!!
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written by Michael William, August 02, 2007
Joao,

Shelly did cite the fact that she is in the U.S. to make money. I did not take issue with that statement. What I took isue with were her inaccurate statements about crime and safety in the U.S. and her truly repulsive generalizations about the U.S. and Americans in general. But this is a very typical, just go to the comments section of the Globo website. It is extremely hypocritical that someone with such rabid hatred towards Americans, someone who makes blanket generalizations about the U.S. without basis, would choose to live here.

As for why I don't move back to Brazil? I love Brazil and as I said, I split time between Brazil and the U.S. I have two children in Brazil. I am happy they are there. I own a company which allows me to spend a great deal of time in Brazil and am in the process of obtaining a visa that will allow me to work in Brazil so I can be with my children on a constant basis. I am aware there are other locations in Brazil. In fact, I would be willing to bet that I have probably traveled more extensively in Brazil than you have. As for Fortaleza, I have spent one month traveling in the state of Ceara alone, and I can assure you that while I did visit Fortaleza, I got to know the entire state.

Michael William
written by João da Silva, August 02, 2007
Shelly did cite the fact that she is in the U.S. to make money. I did not take issue with that statement. What I took isue with were her inaccurate statements about crime and safety in the U.S. and her truly repulsive generalizations about the U.S. and Americans in general.


No Michael,you did not cite ,but I DID (quoting her own words) about her being in U.S. to take money. It is quite interesting to note that she is a Carioca married to a nice Englishman,moved to U.S. to make money. If that is their intention and they dont like the U.S., they have 3 choices: a)Grin and bear with all the high crime rate in Georgetown b) Move back to Mother England c) Move to Rio with her English husband,where she would feel secure among her kith and kin.

Why should the nice couple live in the miserable U.S. if they dont like it and feel insecure?

Michael, unfortunately,during the past 10 years, a general XENOPHOBIA has developed and it is not restricted just against Americans. Right now, the government and the media have come to the conclusion that our best friends are the Chinese, the Venezuelans and the Bolivians. We, the middle class Brazilians are aware of the violence,corruption and other negative factors (that includes the chaotic air travel).We seem to be powerless for the time being.

The Xenophobia is more aggravated by posters like my our friend Ch.c, who seems to put all the Brazilians into one basket and call us all thieves and liars. You know as much as I do that it is too myopic to generalize the entire nation as such.

As for your life in Brazil, I am glad that you are contributing to the development of this country and paying all the taxes,like we do and get ZERO return!

I am glad that you went to Ceara (I havent been there) and Ernest would be pleased to know. Being married to a Polish lady, I am sure he is not Xenophobic.

You should continue contributing to the articles in this site. Cheers, mate.
Joao
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
Joao,

Since 2000, I have spent more time in Brazil than in the U.S. Many of my closest friends are Brazilian. While I have a relatively small company, I have transacted a significant amount of business throughout Brazil...from Bras in the center of Sao Paolo to the interior of MS to small towns in RS where the residents speak better German than they do Portuguese (brazilians are great business people btw). I have taken 36 hour bus trips, countless flights, hitch-hiked etc. etc. Through these extensive business travels and the personal relationships I mentioned earlier, I have been lucky to see parts Brazil that most foreigners never will-nor will most Brazilians for that matter. I am currently planning a fly fishing trip to the Pantanal and especially looking forward to that.

In all my travels, I have never met a brazilian that is outwardly hostile to the U.S. Clearly, we deserve to be held accountable for some of our foreign policy decisions as well as our scandalous history of supporting dictatorships in the Southern Cone ala Kissenger. Many of my friends and acquaintances have challenged me on the war with Iraq, our consumer culture, etc etc. That is fair. But I continue to be confounded by the general Xenophobia you point out. Perhaps you could help me understand it. I saw Eric Clapton play twice in '01 or '02 and both times there were entire sections of the crowd chanting "Bin Laden". That is just crazy. Do these people really mean to support fanatical islamists who wishes to kill millions innocent civilians? I read the Brazilian press every day and it seems that whenever there is a story which remotely involves the U.S., the message boards are full of absolute hatred towards the U.S. I remain perplexed by the Simpsons scandal. The Simpsons is a brilliant show. The writers are almost exclusively anti-establishment intellectuals and 99% of all episodes make fun of U.S. culture. Why was there such a virulent reaction when Brazil was satirized in one show, in the same way that every episode makes fun of middle America? Why, during the Gol crash over the Amazon last year was there such a virulent, spiteful lynch mob after the American pilots when it is a well known fact that there are major flaws in Brazilian aviation? I mean the Brazilian flight controllers went on strike immediately after and every pilot association in the world came out identifying the gaps in the airspace over the Amazon. And the crowd at the Pan Am games in Rio? Even today on the Globo site, there are people celebrating the fact that Americans died when a bridge collapsed in the U.S.

While I think I have a reasonable understanding of Brazil, I simply cannot grasp the pervasive, underlying anger. I know you say that it is spread across several countries but it seems to me that the U.S. is the primary target. We are an easy target. Americans see our flag burned every day. We hear proclomations of Jihad from the "parties of god" on a weekly basis. I was in Brazil when Bin Laden put a price on any American's head. People all over the world hate us, sure, but most of them are muslim extremists. Yet, average americans don't get up in arms about this....we take it in stride. Why is it that Brazilians simply lose it over any unintentioinal gaff or slight involving Brazil when no real harm was meant? Why is it that Brazilians want to dance in the streets whenever the U.S. has a problem? Is it some insecurity? What am I missing? After all, we fought a long and unjust war against Vietnam but now we are great friends with a freshly signed trade agreement. Would like to hear your insight on where these American-hating Brazilians are coming from...I just don't see it.
Response to you all.
written by Shelly, August 03, 2007
First, let me begin saying that my husband and I were invited to come to live here. He was offered a job while we were in England. That was the biggest mistake we ever made. I don't like it here, we thought our lives would be better, however we can all disagree on what constitutes happiness. To me family and friends are what gives me happiness-thought money was more important. Luckily, I came to realize the mistake and soon enough and will be moving to Europe within the next 6 months, does that answer you all? I have 3 countries that I can choose to live: England, Brazil and the Netherlands. I am a Carioca of Dutch decent. Also, I don't hate Americans, what I don't like is to people to say that a tourist can get cut to pieces in Brazil. Some of you have visited the town in question and had lovely things to say, the same goes for other cities. That could happen here too. Violence in Brazil has escalated to civil war numbers, if any of you take your time to read my posts again, you will see that I have acknowledged this. Adams Morgan last week had gangs around and they weren't Latino gangs, this is usually how you Americans like to portray the problem--Blame it on the Latin people! However they were Blacks. Last year a Jewish man was beaten to death while on a walk in Georgetown, this past year and this year women have been told to walk in pairs. The numbers are all there for everyone to see it. I live near a violent city and this has made me think twice before allowing my children to grow up here. Rio and Sao Paulo is far more violent than here, but equally I don't think this area is a place where I want my kids to grow up. I don't like the culture, I don't like the people and therefore I have the option to leave, which I will. I am not a hypocrite. I have American citizenship, Brazilian, English and Dutch . I can pick and choose where to bring up my kids and I have chosen Europe, and for obvious reason. Having lived here for more than 8 years I can definitely that the friendships I made were as shallow as my kids paddling pool. American women are for the most part, fake and can only converse about domestic issues: decks, basement construction etc. I am not jealous, I have a fantastic house in Leesburg, two degrees, therefore my life financially is great, but in terms of family and friends ZERO. . In the end happiness is not the same for everyone and I long having my family, my in-laws, my nieces and nephews near me. smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif
response to Michael
written by Shelly, August 03, 2007
The xenophobia comes in many ways in your country. Let's not go over the corruption issue because your country has the worst and most corrupt administration, EVER. Actually, it is funny to see this on this post, you guys truly think that your country is corruption free, what a farce! The problem is in Brazil politicians do it on your face, here they do it under the table. I am sorry but I don't hate Americans, I hate how some of you treat the Latin people as if we were all the same. Just to give you an example, I have more than one if you wish to talk to me on a personal level. My job is to work with the poorest people in Fairfax county. I have said this before. Some Latinos are here illegally and some have green cards. I have seen outward discrimination coming from the teachers, the school district personnel, the police towards Latin students (some of them were sons and daughters of embassy personnel). I understand that this area has problems with illegal immigration, but who is at fault? I had a colleague, another teacher say some horrible things about the Latin people-I don't look Brazilian or South American, so I guess she didn't realize what she had said.
When the crash over the Amazon happened, I immediately wrote to the NY journalist and said that I believed the pilots were innocent. The recent air crash has to do with TAM and the Brazilian government-again. Please, if you want to understand why many people have a problem with the US, read this book: Inevitable Revolutions by Walter LaFaber.
http://www.amazon.com/Inevitable-Revolutions-United-Central-America/dp/0393309649
Anyway, I hope that clarifies some of "my" issues with this country. I don't believe in Utopia, but I was much happier in Europe than I am here. I truly hope you have a good time in Brazil, Michael.
Michael
written by Shelly, August 03, 2007
Please show me where the hate was on my message?
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written by A brazilian, August 03, 2007
This has been a tendency on this site that we have to fight.


Ernest, ch.c is either a sick person or someone paid to do what he does. He has been around forever, at least since when I started visiting this site, and he does nothing more than to spread hatred towards Brazilians. For those complaining about "hatred towards Americans" take a careful look at this ch.c character and you will start enjoying your critics.

I am not sure why the adminstrator doesn't ban ch.c. His texts are just as useful as those inserted by advertisement programs about some "NaKed GiRLs PicZ at www.lotsofgirls.ru", that we see so often on other sites.

I remain perplexed by the Simpsons scandal. The Simpsons is a brilliant show. The writers are almost exclusively anti-establishment intellectuals and 99% of all episodes make fun of U.S. culture.


I don't agree with the anti-americanism around, but I understand the reasons for it. The US has in its history intervened too much in latin american countries, for better or for worse. This is used by some for their own agendas. For example, the leftists fuel this anti-americanism and use it as political weapon. Anybody against a leftist is automatically labeled as "american wannabe", or if the person is famous is accused of being on the CIA payroll.

But where do they get these ideas from? Well, if you look at history you will see the American government taking many illegal and immoral actions. For example, the several attempts of assassination of Fidel Castro. Although he is a murderous tyrant, the US didn't show to be much better either.

But this is ridiculous anyway. I think they should just ignore whatever americans say or do and focus on their own problems. This Simpsons stuff was ridiculous, not because it wasn't offensive, but because if people care so much about such things then they have problems.

As you said, those writers make fun of American culture, but what do they know about the Brazilian culture? Nothing. What was that about? Those were stereotypes. There would be thousands of ways of making fun of real things from the Brazil, but how monkeys stealing a car is comedy? This is just typical of geographically illiterate people who believe that the Amazon forest is just right at the corner, and everyone walks naked around here. Perhaps they were making a joke about the fact that Americans are geographically ignorant? I don't know. I just didn't understand it. Did they escape from the Zoo?

And this is the worst part. People like you really believe that those things were jokes, although a Brazilian has no way of relating to them because they exist only in your heads. How would I know that monkeys in the middle of a huge city like Rio stealing a car is supposed to be fun? How can I connect it to some real fact? It just doesn't make sense. If you don't understand how it doesn't make sense to a Brazilian then you don't know Brazil as well as you claim you do.

What happens here is the same as what happens everywhere else: "we hide what's ugly, we show what's pretty". For example, the English officer just admitted he lied when a Brazilian was killed in England a couple of years ago mistaken by a terrorist. They told he was running because he was an "illegal alien" and that he was wearing heavy clothes when, in fact, it was the opposite for affirmations they made: he wasn't an illegal, he wasn't running and he was wearing light clothes. So what? Well, if it were on Brazil there would be articles and articles about how corrupt the police is, how sick Brazilians are, how sad they are about the "reality" of Brazil, how Brazil is going down, how the world is going to end, plenty of people like you saying the "truth" of Brazil, etc. But it's a lot different when it happens home, isn't it?
Who teaches you people this stuff?
written by bo, August 03, 2007
Here it also happens and worse things. School shootings, violent crimes-this week how many baby skeletons were found in someone's backyard??? Crime happens everywhere these days, some places more than others, but what I will now allow it to happen is for some person that has never set foot in Buzios, Angra, Rio das Ostras to say that we have high crime rate, because we don't. Most crimes in Brazil comes from the big cities.


It's such a common characteristic, and among educated brazilians, that it leads one to believe that it must be being taught somewhere!!

Why do so many brazilians, and even brazilians in high authoritative positions, the president of this, a senator, congressman, etc., always respond to people by commenting on, or elaborating about the fact that ALL OVER BRAZIL IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS COUNTRIES ON PLANET EARTH by stating, "Well, there is violence everywhere." Maybe so Shelly, but not in epidemic proportions!!! Brazil has 7X the violence as the U.S. proportionally and 25X the violence as England proportionally!!!

Here our ignorant/denying Shelly tries to say that it is only violent in the big cities in brazil......YOU COULDN'T BE MORE INCORRECT!!!

The most violent cities and municipalities in Brazil are SMALL cities. Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo do not even rank in the top 100 of most dangerous brazilian cities/municipalities with populations of more than 100,000!!!

Take a look!

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st
Juruena MT 137.8 2nd
Coronel Sapucaia MS 116.4 3rd
Serra ES 111.3 4th
São José do Xingu MT 109.6 5th
Vila Boa GO 107.0 6th
Tailândia PA 104.9 7th
Aripuanã MT 98.2 8th
Ilha de Itamaracá PE 95.1 9th
Macaé RJ 94.5 10th
Foz do Iguaçu PR 94.3 11th
Itaguaí RJ 92.7 12th
Recife PE 91.2 13th
Tunas do Paraná PR 86.8 14th
Itaboraí RJ 83.7 15th
Cariacica ES 83.3 16th
Cabo de Santo Agostinho PE 82.2 17th
Santa Cruz do Xingu MT 81.7 18th
Duque de Caxias RJ 80.9 19th
Ribeirão PE 79.4 20th
Rio Bonito do Iguaçu PR 79.3 21st
Vitória ES 78.6 22nd
Nova Iguaçu RJ 78.5 23rd
Vicente Dutra RS 78.1 24th
Cotriguaçu MT 77.4 25th
Buritis RO 77.3 26th
Jaboatão dos Guararapes PE 76.9 27th
São Sebastião SP 76.9 28th
Agrestina PE 75.8 29th
Diadema SP 74.6 30th

Rio de Janeiro RJ 57.2 107th
São Paulo SP 48.2 182nd

Abe the deniar!
written by bo, August 03, 2007
he wasn't an illegal, he wasn't running and he was wearing light clothes. So what? Well, if it were on Brazil there would be articles and articles about how corrupt the police is, how sick Brazilians are, how sad they are about the "reality" of Brazil, how Brazil is going down, how the world is going to end, plenty of people like you saying the "truth" of Brazil, etc. But it's a lot different when it happens home, isn't it?


Jean Claude WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN you dumbass!! That is a KNOWN FACT. He was ILLEGALLY in England for years! Now, that certainly doesn't excuse what happened, it was a terrible mistake and no one has ever refuted that!!

But....it certainly can be understood what happened and why!! He was living in the SAME BUILDING as the terrorists that were exploding bombs and had killed over 60 people in Britian that weekend.....for the love of christ!

Now tell me this, where is all the press coverage, articles, demonstrations, public apologies, and compensations for the american that was shot in cold blood in Rio de Janeiro 3 months ago by an off-duty Rio cop? Haven't heard one peep have ya? And his family will die before they ever receive so much as an apology....let alone a million dollars!
Michael William...
written by bo, August 03, 2007
You'll find yourself becoming jaded if you don't be careful Michael, believe me, I see it happening to myself at times. And unfortunately understandably so. There are so many brazilians that are rabidly anti-american that it's ridiculous. It's not safe to be an american in Brazil and express your opinions, unless those opinions are nothing but blowing sunshine up peoples asses about how brazil is some wonderful, tropical, paradise.

I've felt the brunt and sting of discrimination here, yet I'm 100% legal, have a brazilian child, pay unreal brazilian taxes, just got finished paying close to 20,000 dollars in IPTU tax which made me nauseus, not because I had to pay the tax, but because I won't see any return from it. Education is a joke, public security is non-existant, infrastructure is in shambles, and large portions of where I live don't even have saneamento basico(basic sanitation)! And after all of this, providing jobs, having children, paying absurd taxes, MANY PEOPLE will tell you, they certainly have told me, that I don't have the right to complain about brazil! Can ya believe that??

Can you imagine telling a legal resident in america, someone with a green card that has a job, paying taxes, has a family, that he doesn't have the right to complain? Doesn't have the right to protest?? f**k, in the U.S. the 12 million ILLEGALS rally, protest, and DEMAND their "rights"??? WTF is that? They burn american flags in the street and wave mexican flags shouting "viva la raza" and no one dies?? Our police protect them!! Our gov't. supports them and even compensates them! We put their illegal children in schools! We take care of them in our hospitals! On the taxpayers bill! Imagine illegals, americans no less, doing that in brazil!! Imagine the bloodshed.
Xenophobia
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 03, 2007
Only after I relocated to the US did I meet true xenophobia. Sure, in Brazil there is that politically motivated hatred of the US, but to call that xenophobia would be an overstatement.

As for myself, I could never even think of being xenophobic, as I come from a mixed background. My father is American born of Irish and German (Jewish) descent, and my Brazilian-born mother has Dutch (again Jewish) and Portuguese roots. I was raised between Brazil and the US and as far as I am concerned, I am colorblind when it comes to races and ethnicities.

All the posters that have voiced their opinions, I urge you to visit http://www.fortaleza.ce.gov.br/alop/ and leave your post for the revitalization of Praia de Iracema.
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written by A brazilian, August 03, 2007
But....it certainly can be understood what happened and why!! He was living in the SAME BUILDING as the terrorists that were exploding bombs and had killed over 60 people in Britian that weekend.....for the love of christ!


This is certainly the strategy of a competent first world police, isn't it? Let's just kill at random people that happen to live near someone suspect. HE TOOK 7 SHOTS IN THE HEAD AFTER HE WAS IMOBILIZED. WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD JUSTIFIES THAT? THAT WASN'T AN ARREST, THAT WAS AN EXECUTION. And the policemen were such liars, the cameras later showed him just walking, not running. He paid for his subway ticket like everyone else, while the cops said he "jumped".

Now tell me this, where is all the press coverage, articles, demonstrations, public apologies, and compensations for the american that was shot in cold blood in Rio de Janeiro 3 months ago by an off-duty Rio cop?


Did he give 7 shots to his head and then tried to justify it saying that he was runnning was an illegal alien?
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written by A brazilian, August 03, 2007
It's such a common characteristic, and among educated brazilians, that it leads one to believe that it must be being taught somewhere!!


Yes, life teaches us. Living in Brazil and not being killed, robbed or anything else makes us rapidly believe that some places are quiet. I have lived in smaller towns, and never had any problems. Definitely it's not the hell you wish to paint.

Those numbers are misleading. For example, there is a high number of deaths by guns, but the gun commerce is restricted around here. Brazilians definitely aren't gun lovers. So what explains this? Drug trafficking and violence in rural areas would be my guesses, and those things are very limited to certain regions.

This is a lot different from kids buying guns at the mall and killing their friends at school with them.
Shelly
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
Dear Shelly,

Please consider backing up your statements with fact and substance. Categorical declarations like "your country has the worst and most corrupt administration EVER," have no legitimacy if you are unable to prove them true. If corruption is a topic of interest to you, you may wish to consult Transparency International's International Corruption Index. If you do so, you will find that Brazil is far more corrupt than the U.S. by any measure. TI's annual studies are based on serious analysis and scholarly research, not opinioin. I never once denied that corruption does not exist in the U.S. Of course it does. However, it is not nearly as systematic and problematic as in Brazil. I am no fan of the Bush Administration, but when I do make a criticism it is grounded in logic and fact rather than puerile outbursts like it is "the worst ever."

Shelly, when you do attempt to use facts, you apply them incorrectly. Consider your statement: "In 1993, 90% of homicides of 15-19 years old in California were due to firearms". What does this tell us? That of the youth homicides, most involved the use of a gun. It does nothing to substantiate your argument that crime is rising. That would be the type of fact to support an argument in favor of gun control (which I would strongly support).

As for your hate language, let me just give you a sampling:

1."White trash middle class Americans!!!" (Note the use of three exlamation points)

2. "a xenophobic, egocentrist, anthropocentric (in a environmentalist view) society---the me,me,me,me,me,me nation"

3. "Filthy city full of gangs, beggars and prostitutes."

As for the murder rate in Georgetown, you proved my point. Just one, slightly over a year ago. It happened in my neighborhood and they were caught on the video camera next door to where I live. Some guys high on drugs came into the neighborhood.. It was a horrible crime, but also very atypical.

Finally, I do not blame evreything on Latinos, nor do I view them as one monolithic group. To be more specific, the gangs known to exist in the Adams Morgan neighborhood are El Salvadoran in make up as are most of the gangs in the Virginia suburbs. Many are linked to the MS-13 organization. As for the black people you saw, how do you know they were gangs? Again, Adams Morgan, while edgey, is one of the most culturally rich neighborhoods imaginable with pockets of Ethiopians, Eritreans, West-Africans, El Salvadorans, etc. But you saw only filth and waste, which speaks volumes about your appreciation of diversity.

Finally, I do not blame you for being unhappy in Leesburg. American suburbia can be a somewhat dry, boring place, and I would imagine this especially difficult for a Brazilian. However, Leesburg is by no means representative of the broader U.S. which is in fact quite diverse with numerous sub-cultures.

By the way, I have read Lafaber's book and found it quite interesting.











To:Michael William
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Would like to hear your insight on where these American-hating Brazilians are coming from...I just don't see it.


Vow, before I could reply to your question, A Brazilian as well as Ernest have given you the answers!

We were always hospitable people and curious to know about other nationalities and cultures. Even now an average Brazilian is neither anti American nor Xenophobic. Unfortunately, as "A Brazilian " and Ernest explained,our leftist politicians till 1985 blamed our Military Government for the sufferings of the "poor". After they assumed power, they had more than 20 years to make the country more prosperous.But, because of their incompetence,greed and hunger for power, they managed to stagnate the country.Now they need other scape goats and there come the Americans (or any other nationalities that speak a foreign language) to put the blame on.Remember that it is easy to put the blame on others for your misdeeds than assuming your responsibility. The big example is our President who "confessed" yesterday that he was not aware of the problems with the Air Travel Industry until recently and in none of the 5 election campaigns he ran for the Presidency, this issue was brought up by anyone including the opposition. Also he said that this problem has been in existance for over 60 years! So the example of blaming others comes from the very top and of course, the large TV Networks that depend upon the Government for their survival play second fiddle and show the celebrations of the American flags being burnt,the U.S. Ambassador being booed,etc;

What the common man does not realize is that it is not going to take us anywhere and is detrimental to their well being in the long run. Imagine a serious minded foreign investor willing to set up a business in Brazil after seeing these images on the TV? Even serious minded Brazilians dont want to invest in businesses here, till the government recognizes how unfriendly it is towards the businesses and modifies the current laws.

I can go on and on for ever,but I have a feeling that this Xenophobia is temperory and we will come out of it. In the meantime, I am glad to know that you have some good Brazilian friends,family and enjoy traveling to the interior of the country. That is where you will find our hospitality.

As for the corruption, this is a topic that gets me mad. It is insideous and naseating. The middle class is sick of the corruption that has been institutionalized by the leftist loonies.
Response to "A Brazilian" and others
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
I have not been a member of this community for long but judging by ch.c's post, I agree with you that he is a crackpot spammer. Comments like his are clearly meant to incite anger or to bait you, so simply ignore them. Don't let him draw you in. He is in no way representative of any American's view on Brazilians or your country. To equate or compare his rantings to the very real anti-american hostility present in Brazil, and to imply that we should feel lucky that American critics are not as virulent as him gives him far too much legitimacy.

That said, I am more interested in discussing substantive issues and agree with most of your response. It is understandable that the history of American foreign policy in South America has generated anti-American sentiment. I don't think the Castro example is useful however since he was a bona fide direct threat to the very survival of our country given his efforts to place soviet nuclear warheads 90 miles from our shore. A better example would be our backing of various right wing dictatorships, including in Brazil, and supporting activities such as operation Condor which engaged in political assasination across the Southern Cone. We could go on and on about American intervention in Latin America.

Now, when you speak of Americans being, to use your own words, "geographically ignorant" and "geographically illiterate" how do you back up these statements? It seems that you are resorting to the very same stereotypes you claim to oppose. If you were to consult the Unitied Nations Development Program Report (2005), you would find that the U.S. is in the highest category - 99.9%. Brazil is ranked 86 with an 88.4% literacy rate, behind countries such as Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Qatar to name a few. While the U.N. report does not address "geographic literacy" per se, I think it is fair to infer that, based on the data, the U.S. would far surpass Brazil in this regard.

With regards to the Simpsons discussion, I agree with you 100% that the Brazilian reaction to it was ridiculous given the gravity of other problems Brazil has to worry about. I did claim to know Brazil reasonably well, however, if you read my post, I was legitimately trying to understand why Brazilians have such vehement reactions to the most minor of slights. Implicit in my question is an admission that there are certain things I do not understand about Brazil. Again, the Simpsons is a very clever, long-standing program which satirizes pretty much everything. Nobody is immune and if you don't understand the humor, fair enough, but it is an American show and the writers are under no obligation to be politically correct just so they don't hurt your feeling. For a show that has been in existence for 20 years, the few brief seconds which involved Brazil seemed to me to generate an overly emotional response in Brazil. The Estado, Folha, Globo publications have weekly cartoons satirizing the U.S. 60,000 people boo our athletes in Maracana. The slightest mention of the U.S. in main article on the Globo website generates volumes of anti-U.S. messages. The Simpsons reaction was like a very light version of the Dutch cartoon controversy.

Finally, you raise the issue regarding the shooting of the Brazilian in England. Other posters have pointed out that Brazilian police are responsible for far many more atrocities. This has been well documented by Amnesty International. What I want to ask you is when you concluded with the question "But it's a lot different when it happens home, isn't it?" Weren't we talking about U.S.-Brazil relations? Didn't I make it clear that I am from the U.S.? What does England have to do with it? Talk about Geographic Ignorance - England is not my home.



A Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Ernest, ch.c is either a sick person or someone paid to do what he does


I dont think that ch.c is a sick person nor is "he". It is she. I dont care about the gender.But I think that ch.c is a Brazilian born person and educated in Lausanne and got her (or his) degree and lives in Switzerland,because he knows a lot of things about Brazil in general and Economy and Politics specifically. Her statistical data on our country,in general are correct. Sometimes, I tend to think ch.c is really Luriam! (or Neusinha Brizola)

I am against blocking ch.c from the site.It does infringe on the freedom of speech,you,me and many of the good Brazilians cherish!.(unless her/his posts are in Uppercase letters)

You have a nice week end.

To Joao
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
Thank you for your response. It was very informative and echoes what I hear from many of my friends. You really got to the heart of my question. There is no doubt that most Brazilians are very warm and inviting...this is precisely why I find it so puzzling when the strong anti-american stuff comes into play in strange places like international sporting events or discussions regarding U.S. pop culture. When Cubans or Russians come to the U.S., they are actually applauded in spite of the decades of animosity between the countries.

Please note that I do feel the U.S. should be held accountable for many of our past foreign policy interventions in South America. Yet, as I point out, our actions were even more out of line in Vietnam, with whom we now enjoy very positive relations. In addition, U.S. involvement in Chile during the 70s was truly shameful, yet we now have better relations than we ever had with that country.

Abraco
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written by bo, August 03, 2007
written by A brazilian, 2007-08-03 13:17:16

But....it certainly can be understood what happened and why!! He was living in the SAME BUILDING as the terrorists that were exploding bombs and had killed over 60 people in Britian that weekend.....for the love of christ!



This is certainly the strategy of a competent first world police, isn't it? Let's just kill at random people that happen to live near someone suspect. HE TOOK 7 SHOTS IN THE HEAD AFTER HE WAS IMOBILIZED. WHAT IN THE NAME OF GOD JUSTIFIES THAT? THAT WASN'T AN ARREST, THAT WAS AN EXECUTION. And the policemen were such liars, the cameras later showed him just walking, not running. He paid for his subway ticket like everyone else, while the cops said he "jumped".

Now tell me this, where is all the press coverage, articles, demonstrations, public apologies, and compensations for the american that was shot in cold blood in Rio de Janeiro 3 months ago by an off-duty Rio cop?



Did he give 7 shots to his head and then tried to justify it saying that he was runnning was an illegal alien?



And you're trying to say that this was done to him because why?? Because he was Brazilian? Or an illegal alien??

You stupid twat.
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written by bo, August 03, 2007
Did he give 7 shots to his head and then tried to justify it saying that he was runnning was an illegal alien?




No, he took 3 shots to the gut, completely unarmed and the off-duty officer was completely unprovoked and not in danger, and there have been ZERO apologies, justifications, or attempts at compensation!
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written by bo, August 03, 2007
This is a lot different from kids buying guns at the mall and killing their friends at school with them.




Are you talking about the brazilian teen who killed numerous people in a shopping mall in Sao Paulo a few months back?? smilies/wink.gif
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written by A brazilian, August 03, 2007
Now, when you speak of Americans being, to use your own words, "geographically ignorant" and "geographically illiterate" how do you back up these statements? It seems that you are resorting to the very same stereotypes you claim to oppose.


I used the Simpsons as evidence of that. If you really believe that there are monkeys in Rio then you are geographically illiterate. There was a Mr. Magoo movie also with the same sterotype, and the Tourists movie also had it (although I didn't watch this one).

While the U.N. report does not address "geographic literacy" per se, I think it is fair to infer that, based on the data, the U.S. would far surpass Brazil in this regard.


I disagree. There's no way of inferring that. But there's a way of having a clue of the generally accepted ideas behind the American society through the movies and TV shows. That's not representative of the entire population, but it's accepted enough to be portrayed on the screen without raising any controversy.

but it is an American show and the writers are under no obligation to be politically correct just so they don't hurt your feeling.


It's not about being politically correct, it's about making sense. What monkeys in the middle of Rio has to do with anything? Have you ever seen monkeys on any major city? Have you ever seen animal problems in any city, such as animals invading the city? Comedy is when you make a joke about something real, for example we have many imitators of Lula and people making fun of the daily corruption. Why is that fun? Because we see that they are referring to real people and facts we can associate to. They do it, but exaggerating the problems in order to make fun or exploring the nonsense of the situation.

It's impossible to be any clearer than that. If you still don't understand why this is "not fun" and "offensive" then I suggest you learn a lot more about Brazil before bragging about your "traveler's resume" on websites. You may have seen places, but you haven't learned much.

The Simpsons reaction was like a very light version of the Dutch cartoon controversy.


I disagree entirely. Terrorism involving islamic fanatics is a very real problem, we see people blowing themselves up all the time. The Simpsons show wasn't real at all. There's no way of associating the things there with the reality. Mohammed with a bomb on the head was something we could associate to suicidal bombers.

I do think they overreatected. Although the Simpsons were offensive I don't think such response was correct. But, hey, the Simpsons episode only showed a bunch of American sterorypes of what they think Brazil is like, and you are upset because we don't accept your stereotypes. Sorry, that may be very real in the mind of an American that has never been here and think of Brazil as some exotic and distant place in Africa, but that's not real.

What I want to ask you is when you concluded with the question "But it's a lot different when it happens home, isn't it?" Weren't we talking about U.S.-Brazil relations? Didn't I make it clear that I am from the U.S.? What does England have to do with it? Talk about Geographic Ignorance - England is not my home.


You didn't understand. I will try to explain it again, but with more words this time. I am talking about a general "first world" to "third world" behavior. In this case the example England, but it would be anywhere from western Europe or the US. And the "third world" in the example is Brazil, but it could be any other poor country. I said:


But it's a lot different when it happens home, isn't it?


and not:

But it's a lot different when it happens at YOUR home, isn't it?


Why is this case representative of such behavior? Because when talking about their own homes such people feel free to minimize the problems, i.e., "hiding the ugly", but when it happens in countries such as Brazil they act furiously as if they had a higher moral sense. That showed that an English officer is just as capable of being morally corrupt as any other police officer from the rest of the world.

And as a way of dismissing this "uglyness" they resort to cold numbers. "Hey, Brazilian policemen are responsible for far more atrocities". I have never said otherwise, I only said you are not in some higher moral ground.

A similar case happens here when someone criticizes the government. The defenders will scream loudly how the previous government was corrupt. But wait, that doesn't make the current government any less corrupt, does it? There's no causality between the two things, one thing doesn't justify the other. The same for the English case, no causality, and the "we are not as bad as you" only proves my point.
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written by A brazilian, August 03, 2007
And you're trying to say that this was done to him because why?? Because he was Brazilian? Or an illegal alien??


The problem was the afterwards, not the killing itself. If a police entered a favela and started killing at random because "there are drug dealers somewhere near" and lied publicly then it would be yet another evidence of how Brazil sucks. But when some English person starts killing at random because "there are terrorists somewhere near" then that's not ok, but it is understandable.

And don't even try to portray terrorism as higher problem than Rio's violence, that could justify their crazy attitude.
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written by bo, August 03, 2007
And don't even try to portray terrorism as higher problem than Rio's violence, that could justify their crazy attitude.



Hey dickhead, they haven't been putting bombs in buses or trains killing 50-60 people at a shot in Rio via suicide bombers! The police were on high alert you fool, a terror alert for suicide bombers that had killed dozens upon dozens!

You're truly an igorant idiot. Or should I say, "the classic latin american idiot".
A Brazilian
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
You made a stereotypical generalization that Americans are "geographically illiterate" and "geographically ignorant." You presented no statistical evidence or empirical data to support this claim. When I challenged your statements, not to slander you or Brazil in any way, but in a good faith effort to engage in honest debate, you fell back on one animated program from the Fox Network as your back-up. Oh, I almost forgot Mr. Magoo. Gee "A Brazilian", that is a real valid point you had there considering it was a childrens cartoon.

Let me put my statement another way since I concede the point that the U.N. report does not directly address the issue of geographic literacy. Since the UN data does not seem to be in dispute, if you were to distribute a geography test to an equal number of Brazilians and Americans, the Brazilians would clearly perform worse due to the simple fact that far fewer of them would be able to read the actual test.

Now, based on your logic that one is able to make certain judgements about any given society based on fictional works of television or film, would it not then be fair to deduce that the film Cidade de Deus is a fair representation of Brazilian society? Of course not. It is a brilliant film based on a fantastic book. Or, should we assume that a given Novela provides "clues" of the generally accepted ideas behind the (Brazilian) society? Clearly not. It is a fantasy production meant to entertain. It is clearly fiction. Of course the Simpsons is not real. Anyone with a partial front lobe understands that. With regards to the Dutch cartoons, my point was that we witnessed an irrational, overblown response to the actual cartoon, just as it should be argued that the Brazilian response to the Simpsons was irrational and overblown.

As for my "travel resume," I resent any suggestion that I was bragging. In fact, while I love Brazil, most of my long trips in the interior were absolutely miserable and nothing to brag about because I was going to obscure factories for work rather than pleasure. I was simply responding to a poster who had said that I only knew Rio and Sao Paolo. Again, I do not pretend to understand everything about Brazil or its culture and have repeatedly acknowledged as much.. In fact, that is why I decided to get involved in this forum.

Finally, I appreciate your clarification regarding the "when it happens at home" issue. Point taken.

Also, I do agree that Americans' understanding of geography is woefully inadequate. I concede that. The country is enormous and geographically isolated. But I think if you read my posts, you will find that I have been fair in my assessments, have leveled no personal insults, and made every effort to back up my statements with proof. Further, if you read your posts, you will find numerous instances in which you in fact resorted to stereotypes.
Monkeys in Rio
written by Michael William, August 03, 2007
By the way "A Brazilian", one more point I wish to make since you have again directed personal insult with your statement:" If you really believe that there are monkeys in Rio then you are geographically illiterate."

Well, again, you should check your facts because they are wrong. There are monkeys in Rio. I have seen them in numerous places in Rio and where I have a place in Recreio I often feed them apples and bananas with my son. For your information, the monkeys are: The Cebidae form one of the four families of New World monkeys now recognised. It includes the marmosets, tamarins, capuchin monkeys and squirrel monkeys.

Again, your arguments are simply wrong. I am happy to conced a point when due, but you seem to keep making false statements.

So would you then consider yourself geographically illiterate? I wouldn't. Maybe you are unaware of Rio's biological diversity iIf you did not know of their existence.

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written by on-looker, August 04, 2007
By the way "A Brazilian", one more point I wish to make since you have again directed personal insult with your statement:" If you really believe that there are monkeys in Rio then you are geographically illiterate."

Well, again, you should check your facts because they are wrong. There are monkeys in Rio.
I have seen them in numerous places in Rio and where I have a place in Recreio I often feed them apples and bananas with my son. For your information, the monkeys are: The Cebidae form one of the four families of New World monkeys now recognised. It includes the marmosets, tamarins, capuchin monkeys and squirrel monkeys.


WHACK!!!!!!!
Response to Michael Williams in 2 parts
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
Look at the Department of Justice link that I copied/pasted, it is their numbers not mine. I would never say that it is going up without something concrete. Unfortunately, crime in the US has gone 1.3% (preliminary). And the 90% youth crime rate was from a scholarly journal, not my invention.

Again, Look at Bo's statistics it doesn't give you much does it???

As for your hate language, let me just give you a sampling:
1."White trash middle class Americans!!!" (Note the use of three exlamation points)//// I don't see this statement, give some of the suburbanites a beer or two and you will see it.
2. "a xenophobic, egocentrist, anthropocentric (in a environmentalist view) society---the me,me,me,me,me,me nation" ///// In Anthropological studies we have seen this sort of behavior, there is a good book--I read it for college that deals with just the type of behaviour, Is American Society too materialistic? and I am about to finish reading "The Disuniting of America, Reflections on a multicultural society. That are plenty of books on the American experience out there just check it out and my job experience also confirms that xenophobic behaviour, egocentrist and anthropocentric mindset is on the rise.

3. "Filthy city full of gangs, beggars and prostitutes."/// DC is Filthy and around the Elipsis (sp?)....near the metro. Look around next time. And for prostitution, I think legalization would halt most of the crimes associated with this activity.

As for the murder rate in Georgetown, you proved my point. Just one, slightly over a year ago. It happened in my neighborhood and they were caught on the video camera next door to where I live. Some guys high on drugs came into the neighborhood.. It was a horrible crime, but also very atypical.
NO, I used to teach in Georgetown and we were told that it was unsafe to walk alone in the evening, sorry but you are wrong on this one. Georgetown is far better than Adams Morgan area, however due to recent attacks on college students, women were advised to stay together.In Arlington( not far from DC), women were alerted to take precaution, did you hear about the plastic bags attacks?

2nd. part
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007

Finally, I do not blame evreything on Latinos, nor do I view them as one monolithic group. To be more specific, the gangs known to exist in the Adams Morgan neighborhood are El Salvadoran in make up as are most of the gangs in the Virginia suburbs. Many are linked to the MS-13 organization. As for the black people you saw, how do you know they were gangs? Again, Adams Morgan, while edgey, is one of the most culturally rich neighborhoods imaginable with pockets of Ethiopians, Eritreans, West-Africans, El Salvadorans, etc. But you saw only filth and waste, which speaks volumes about your appreciation of diversity.
Finally, I do not blame you for being unhappy in Leesburg. American suburbia can be a somewhat dry, boring place, and I would imagine this especially difficult for a Brazilian. However, Leesburg is by no means representative of the broader U.S. which is in fact quite diverse with numerous sub-cultures.
By the way, I have read Lafaber's book and found it quite interesting."
Dear Micheal,
I don't see my comments as hateful, they were harsh, but not hateful. Anyway, you keep saying that the problems in DC has to do with everybody else and cannot accept that Americans are involved in this. Why do I say they were gangs?

1) While sitting outside next to Felix nightclub, there is a Lebanese restaurant. 4 guys approached us trying do sell us "CDs' (yeah, right). They spoke perfect American English, not Jamaican or from some other country.

2) They belonged from gangs, as I said before I work for Fairfax County with the economically disadvantage and have had gang awareness training. There are codes, such as clothing, how they communicate etc. MS13 uses very specific hand and clothing outfit, they were not Latinos.

3)ERON

4)Halliburton

5)Alberto Gonzales

6)IRAQ--Bush and the big oil companies are joined at the hip

7)2000 Presidential Election--we can disagree on this, but I have my opinions.

smilies/cool.gif UN oil-for-food program

9)Paul Wolfwitz

10)Plame Affair---president commutes Libby, to me this is a disgrace this woman served her country and that is how she gets rewarded.

I truly believe that sometimes people can be naive and it is hard to accept that one's country could be so corrupt. I have also worked for Air France, and cannot say what my position was, but have dealt for a long time with people from East and West Africa, mostly French speaking countries and I can say that they usually are not involved in gang issues. You can continue to deny or ignore the current problems with DC, but even the schools are considered to be the worst in the country. Why do you think the middle class moved to the suburbs and all you will see now is development all the way to Purcellvile? Regarding the current administration, every week there is a new scandal brewing, just like in Brazil, do we ever have proof of anything here or there? No one gets charged or . We the Brazilian when we vote, we choose the president or senator that will do the least damage to the country. Here it is different, you have more "honest" politicians and America elected Bush for a second term. Brazil has serious issues with corruption and violent crime, once again I will repeat I have said that I acknowledge this, but here is far from Utopia. I don't hate Americans, Ch.C seems to have a beef with us and created a climate of hate. How do you think someone will respond to this sort of manic behaviour?

Have a good weekend

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written by bo, August 04, 2007
written by João da Silva, 2007-08-03 15:30:14
I dont think that ch.c is a sick person nor is "he". It is she. I dont care about the gender.But I think that ch.c is a Brazilian born person and educated in Lausanne and got her (or his) degree and lives in Switzerland,because he knows a lot of things about Brazil in general and Economy and Politics specifically. Her statistical data on our country,in general are correct.


You're right Joãn, Ch.C's stats he posts here are correct. That combined with his factual statements concerning the vast corruption that exists here combined with the impunity there is nothing that people can debate him on concerning substance. His style is brash and that's what many don't like, but imo, Brazil needs around 100 million ChC's.
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written by bo, August 04, 2007
They belonged from gangs, as I said before I work for Fairfax County with the economically disadvantage and have had gang awareness training.



OMG!!!!!!!!! Gang awareness training!!!??? Thank Yoooooooooooooooou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just fell out of my chair!! That is the best laugh I have had in months!!!

What did they teach ya?? If you see groups of blacks or latinos walking together, wearing lots of jewelry, wearing blue or red do-rags, and selling crack then their gang members!!!!

Gang awareness training, is that kinda like Gay awareness training? Or Al-Queda awareness training???

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written by bo, August 04, 2007
written by Shelly, 2007-08-04 00:31:15

3)ERON


Eron? You must have meant Euron, the european robotics research network, what do they have to do with this?! smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif

And by some chance you meant Enron, well, why would you give that as an example? That was a case in which a terrible crime was committed.....and the people responsible are either in jail or dead!

That's the difference between the U.S. and Brazil my dear Shelly, and I know this from personal experience, it doesn't matter who you are in the U.S., if you are found guilty of a crime you will go to jail. And proof of that are the hundreds upon hundreds of ultra-rich americans and other foreigners that have broke laws in the U.S. that are either currently in prison, or spent time there. That has NEVER happened in Brazil and probably won't in our lifetimes.

It is good to know although that since I know a few people, and have a couple dollars in my pocket, I can literally get away with murder here in Brazil! smilies/wink.gif
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written by bo, August 04, 2007
written by Shelly, 2007-08-04 00:31:15

Again, Look at Bo's statistics it doesn't give you much does it???



First of all Shelly, those aren't MY statistics, those stats came from the Organizaton of Ibero-American states. Let me give you the entire text, and also, just to note, violent crime in the United States has been DECREASING over the last 5 years, not increasing. New York City 15 years ago was one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S., today it is one of, if not THE, safest megalopolis on planet earth! E-polygamy loves to state how Compton Calif. is so violent, it had a 50% reduction in numbers of murders from 2005 to 2006! Here is some stats for you concerning murder in Brazil.

"Murder in Brazil Is Not Just a Big-City Problem Anymore
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento
Wednesday, 28 February 2007
It's common knowledge that while Brazil's largest cities, like São Paulo, Rio and Salvador, are plagued by violence the rest of the country still offers plenty of places, which are islands of quiet and safety. This common knowledge, however, has just been debunked.

A study by the Organization of Ibero-American States shows that violent crimes in Brazil are moving from the capitals to the country's interior. Murders, the report reveals, are now spread throughout 556 or 10% of the 5560 Brazilian municipalities.

Rio, São Paulo and all other densely populated cities don't make into the 10 worst cities for violent death. They don't appear even among the 100 worst cities. Rio de Janeiro shows up at 107th place with 57.2 murders per 100,000 and São Paulo only makes it at 182nd place with 48.2 homicides per 100,000.

While falling in the big cities the murder rate has been steadily increasing in the hinterland, however.

The 10 most violent municipalities in Brazil don't even include a capital city. Among them only two in fact are in metropolitan areas: Serra, in the state of Espírito Santo and Ilha de Itamaracá, in Pernambuco.

The research, which was a joint effort with Brazil's Health Ministry, shows that Brazilian champion of murder is not a big town, but Colniza, a small 13,000-residents city in the state of Mato Grosso, which has had over 20 murders a year for the last three years, putting it at the top with a rate of 165 deaths per 100,000 residents.

All numbers are from 2004, the last year in which the statistical data have been consolidated.

The 556 cities analyzed in the study concentrate 71.8% of all the murders in Brazil. While Colniza appears as number 1, the last town in the list, Nova América, in the state of Goiás, appears with 29.8 homicides per 100,000, which still puts it inside an area that the Inter-American Development Bank (IADB) classifies as presenting "total rupture of the public safety mechanisms." These are cities where the population neither trusts the police nor believes they can solve their problems.

cont.....
written by bo, August 04, 2007
A recent Violence Map drawn by the Brazilian government has shown that while the Brazilian population increased 16.5% in the decade going from 1994 to 2004, the number of murders during the same period grew 48.4%, from 32.603 deaths a year to 48,374.

Some of Brazil's most violent places are new towns created with the deforestation of the Amazon and they include besides Colniza, Juruena, São José do Xingu and Aripuanã, all Mato in Grosso and Tailândia, in the state of Pará, where lawlessness seems to be the rule. They are in fact nobody's land.

Naturally, the number of murders is not exactly small in the capitals. Only seven from Brazil's 26 capitals do not show up among the 556 meanies and the metropolitan areas of the capitals of Rio de Janeiro, Pernambuco and Espírito are some of the most lethal areas in the country. Since 1998, Pernambuco and Espírito Santo have appeared in the Violence Map among the most dangerous states to your life.

"These are cities where there are huge fights for the land, involving Indians, deforestation and the illegal appropriation of areas. These are very remote regions, of difficult access, where the government and laws are absent," says the report's author, sociologist Julio Jacobo Waiselfisz, for whom Brazil's violence has reached unbearable highs.

Commenting the study, Brazil's Health Minister, Agenor Alves, said that "the data are not encouraging at all." "This is an alarming worrisome situation," he stated, adding that the new numbers will be useful in helping the government to adopt the right policies to lessen the problem of violence in Brazil.

With 48.374 homicides in 2004, Brazil is considered the world's 4th worst country in number of murders just behind Colombia, Russia and Venezuela. And this number could be worse if the real numbers were in. Waiselfisz believes that there are 15% more homicides in Brazil than the statistics show.

Thousands of deaths are never reported to the authorities. In this case, as he believes, the victims are buried in clandestine cemeteries or just abandoned in the jungles and rivers where they are never found or accounted for.

Top 30 municipalities where murder is a problem in Brazil (average rate for 2002/2004):

City, State, Murder Rate per 100,000, Ranking

Colniza MT 165.3 1st
Juruena MT 137.8 2nd
Coronel Sapucaia MS 116.4 3rd
Serra ES 111.3 4th
São José do Xingu MT 109.6 5th
Vila Boa GO 107.0 6th
Tailândia PA 104.9 7th
Aripuanã MT 98.2 8th
Ilha de Itamaracá PE 95.1 9th
Macaé RJ 94.5 10th
Foz do Iguaçu PR 94.3 11th
Itaguaí RJ 92.7 12th
Recife PE 91.2 13th
Tunas do Paraná PR 86.8 14th
Itaboraí RJ 83.7 15th
Cariacica ES 83.3 16th
Cabo de Santo Agostinho PE 82.2 17th
Santa Cruz do Xingu MT 81.7 18th
Duque de Caxias RJ 80.9 19th
Ribeirão PE 79.4 20th
Rio Bonito do Iguaçu PR 79.3 21st
Vitória ES 78.6 22nd
Nova Iguaçu RJ 78.5 23rd
Vicente Dutra RS 78.1 24th
Cotriguaçu MT 77.4 25th
Buritis RO 77.3 26th
Jaboatão dos Guararapes PE 76.9 27th
São Sebastião SP 76.9 28th
Agrestina PE 75.8 29th
Diadema SP 74.6 30th

Rio de Janeiro RJ 57.2 107th
São Paulo SP 48.2 182nd
Here's 2005...
written by bo, August 04, 2007
and from Brazil's own Justice Ministry. Now tell me if you can see the contradiction. They called reporters to tell them that there has been a reduction in violent crime, although the number of murders increased from 48,000 in 2004 to 55,000 in 2005, and then the Justice Dept. report coordinator, Mr. Duarte, states that they believe that 75% of robberies and 85% of rapes actually go unreported!!!! Why?? Because you can't trust the police in Brazil!!! They're worst than the criminals, and working hand-in-hand in many cases!!!


The report:

More Civilians Murdered in Brazil in One Year than in Iraq After 3 Years of War
Written by Francesco Neves
Tuesday, 26 September 2006
About 45,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the invasion of their country by the United States in March 2003. In 2005 alone over 55,000 Brazilians were murdered in a non-declared civil war that has been ravaging Brazil for years.

According to just-released data by Brazil's Justice Ministry more than 150 Brazilians suffered violent death each day last year. The government, however, called reporters to tell that crime has been dropping in Brazil in recent years mainly due to disarmament campaigns.

For Marcelo Durante, the Justice Ministry's report coordinator, the biggest reduction in criminality occurred in states where more people participated in the government program to buy back firearms.

Durante also revealed that many violent crimes are underreported in Brazil. He mentioned for example that it's believed that 75% of robberies and 85% of rapes are never reported to the police.

Many Brazilian seem to think that reporting those crimes would be just a waste of time since the authorities wouldn't do anything anyway.

The government study listed crimes that occurred in cities with more than a 100,000 inhabitants in 2004 and 2005. The numbers come straight from the states Security Secretariats.

The state of Rio de Janeiro despite a 4% decrease in the number of violent deaths kept its title as murder champion followed by Pernambuco state in the Brazilian northeast.

Camaragibe, a city in Recife's (capital of Pernambuco) metropolitan area, was the municipality with the highest number of violent deaths. There were 180.9 murders for each 100 thousand residents during the period studied.

Duque de Caxias, in Rio de Janeiro, came in second with 120.7 deaths per 100,000. And it was a big surprise to see Curitiba, capital of the southern state of Paraná, appearing in third, with a rate of 119.9 deaths.

For comparison's sake, New Orleans, the US most violent city had a murder rate of 53.1 deaths per 100,000 before the Katrina hurricane. In Washington DC the rate is 45 per 100,000, in Detroit, 41.8 and in Iraq 27.5 violent deaths per 100,000 people.

All over Brazil, the number of deaths by violent crime grew 1% from 2004 to 2005, raising from 54,696 homicides to 55.312. This despite the reduction of murders in 11 states including Rio Grande do Sul, which saw an expressive decline of 35%.

Bo
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
Bo
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
Bo
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
And by the way, not always people involved in corruption goes to jail, sometimes some president uses his executive power to pardon or commute a felon. And yes, I meant ENRON. Well, you can negate that Enron has nothing to do with the Bush administration, but again you are being naive if you believe in anything this presidency says. Bush was best buddies with Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron-and apparently they never discussed anything about the company financial situation, I find it hard to believe specially because they were major campaign lobbyists.

With Dick Cheney, met more than 6 times with the energy task force of Enron--funny again, never mentioned about the company crisis. Have I ever said that here in the US there is more crime than in Brazil? I don't think so, so I do you keep giving those figures? Are you crazy? Your so called "news", is not news to us Brazilians, I don't believe in the police in Brazil and agree that they are more dangerous than the criminals. They have clear license to do whatever they want. However, I have to say that this is the government 's fault, if they paid these guys a decent salary and gave them good training, I bet that corruption would represent a small percentage.

Do you know how much it costs an illegal immigrant to cross the US border in TX? What I mean is that even with a good salary, for example the border patrol, you will see people lured by money, some people are just like that.

Karl Rove--- hummm, do I have to say anything??

Read carefully, crime has gone up dear! and The FBI every year gives a report on this. Go up to the post that I copy/pasted and you will see, are you disagreeing with your government agency and if so, on what basis?

Also the gang awareness program is given by Fairfax county and do you know why? Because your public schools have been infiltrated with gangs, blacks, MS13, SKF, PGG, some of this gangs are 2 years old. In my school we have 3! Actually, the FBI is the entity that has given us some of this "educational experience". I am glad that they did and at least Fairfax County is trying hard to stop drug deals inside and outside the school property.
Bo/correction
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
I meant why do you keep posting?
Bo
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
And if you thinking about jewelery, you are on the right track, do you know that each gang has their own line of jewelery? smilies/wink.gif
Shelly
written by Michael William, August 04, 2007
Shelly,

Just thought I'd let you know that I had a late dinner in Georgetown last night and guess what? I wasn't murdered. Nor were the thousands of other people walking around late into the evening. It is just silly to go on with this discussion since the statistics speak for themselves. The fact that you received advice not to walk alone at night means nothing. It is common sense and applies anywhere in the world.

Your random list is also trivial. Sure, there are cases of corruption in the U.S, but when they are discovered, they are almost always prosecuted. Enron was horrific but not only was it prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, the U.S. Congress passed an entire body of legislation to prevent them from recurring. In Brazil, the corruption is systematic...nearly universal and penetrates all level of government including the judicial system. Rather than point to single incidents (I could easily produce a list of Brazilian scandals) can't we just agree to the findings as presented by the unbiased, non-partisan Transparency International Group? They are the experts on this topic.

As for my denying the problems in DC? I never once did. I simply responded to your innacurate statements in which you tried to compare crime levels in Adams Morgan and GTown to those in Brazil. The schools are a wreck here. The city is among the most poorly administered in the U.S., no question. But it is absurd to compare A.M. to crime in Brazil. I



Michael William
written by Shelly, August 05, 2007
I am glad that you went back home safe and sound smilies/wink.gif
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written by bo, August 05, 2007
ush was best buddies with Kenneth Lay, CEO of Enron-and apparently they never discussed anything about the company financial situation, I find it hard to believe specially because they were major campaign lobbyists.



Yes, Kenneth Lay was good friends with Bush, and where is he now?? Dead!! He died, and one of the causes was stress due to his trial and the knowledge that he was on his way to prison!

As I said, that's ONE of the big differences in the U.S. and Brazil. I have friends in high places here in Brazil, and particularly in my city. When the police here pull me over and are looking to give me a ticket, I pull the mayors business card out of my wallet, make sure the officer sees the card, and start to call him on my cellular. You should see their reaction!! "Momento senhor, voce é um amigo nossa!! Por Favor, pode ir!!!" When I would get pulled over in my city in the states, they would see my last name, and ask, "Are you related to the sheriff?" and I would reply, "yeah, he's my cousin". and they would start to laugh and say, "he's not gonna like this now is he?"
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written by bo, August 05, 2007
Because your public schools have been infiltrated with gangs, blacks, MS13, SKF, PGG...



Ohhh no!! Our schools have been infiltrated by blacks???? I'll get David Duke on that right away! smilies/grin.gif
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written by Observer, August 05, 2007
"But I continue to be confounded by the general Xenophobia you point out."

Actually, this has been going on also in Europe for decades. When a US president would visit Germany or other European countries, there would be violent demonstrations.

A few weeks later, some of the most brutal dictators would visit Germany and .... nothing, no demonstration, nothing!

Just attribute it to the fact that the US is today and has been for decades, the only country that exports their culture, in music, fashion, lifestyle. It is also the only real super power.

Some people just can't stand it
Abe the Idiot..
written by bo, August 05, 2007
I seriously don't know why I continue to read your posts...


Sorry, that may be very real in the mind of an American that has never been here and think of Brazil as some exotic and distant place in Africa, but that's not real.



Never have left Sao Paulo capitol have ya? You're statements prove that time and time again. Come on up to the northeast buddy, I'll take you around and show you places, people, conditions, that are very similiar to Africa.
You´re the Expert
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
You´re the expert, Ernie, but a lot of guys would just walk over to the Ideal Clube and have a Real Meal.
Bo
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
Frito:Lay
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written by Michael William, August 05, 2007
Thanks Shelly. Enjoy yourself over in Europe with all those radical Islamists.
To Ric
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 06, 2007
Oh, I've been to Ideal Clube, and I paid them a visit last time around. The place will be mentioned on a more extensive article I am working on Fortaleza.
IDIOT BO
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
I meant black gangs, get a life!
Michael
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
Yes, I rather go back to Islamist Europe than stay in paradise America. Islamist Europe has a lot more culture, people are a lot more fun, wine is fantastic, I have good friends there, can drive to France and go to Lemans 24 hours and there are more exciting places to visit for 20 euros. School in the Netherlands (where I am going) if FAR, FAR better than here-It is like comparing apples to lemons. Oxfam has published a study on kids perception and education of industrialized countries and the USA came 21st on the list. Even poor old Portugual has better education than paradise America and The Netherlands came 2! Thanks Michael, for being so concerned.

Ernest Barteles
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
The place will be mentioned on a more extensive article I am working on Fortaleza.


I am sure that your extensive article will be very objetive and ALSO invite several comments unrelated to Tourism to CE! Never mind,keep writing.btw, I enjoyed your article and another one titled "Brazilian Jihad". This article did not attract any comments ,probably, it is not politically correct these days to highlight the role of our Armed Forces in building our country.Look forward to reading your next article.
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written by Michael William, August 06, 2007
Shelly, I think possibly the reason you hate the U.S. so much is that you settled in Leesburg. If you had lived in NYC, California, any of the Rocky Mountain states, Boston, or a host of other places I think you would have enjoyed it here a lot more.

Europe is not even in the same league in terms of higher education. Just do a goodle search for "top 100 universities in the world" any you will find lots of European sources which confirm this. With the exception of Oxford and Cambridge, the lists are all dominated by the U.S. Remind me again how many Nobel prize winners have been from Portugal or the Netherlands? What were there recent contributions to science, humanities, technology, or literature again? Of course, with such small populations, they are able to to provide certain levels of free services. But sorry, as much as I love French and Italian wines, and even some Portuguese wines, the two countries you mention are insignificant. And for someone who is constantly complaining about a filthy city full of prostitutes, you are just going to love Amsterdam!
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
IDIOT BO
written by Shelly, 2007-08-06 13:29:28
I meant black gangs, get a life!



Are they worse than white, yellow, red, or purple gangs?????



Yikes! smilies/shocked.gif
Shelly -Wine
written by Michael William, August 06, 2007
Since you brought up wine, which happens to be one of my hobbies, it appears you are unaware that California wines usually score higher than European wines in blind tastings - even at tastings conducted in Europe. I actually have a more European pallate, but I just wanted to point this out since you seem to think that European wines are automatically superior to American ones. The most famous blind tasting was conducted in Paris. Here is an overview:

Until 1976, France was generally regarded as having an unchallenged rep**ation as the foremost producer of the world's best wines. In that year a British wine merchant, Steven Spurrier, organized a prestigious wine tasting in Paris, now known as the Paris Wine Tasting of 1976 or the Judgment of Paris, which would involve blind tasting of California and French Chardonnays and Cabernet Sauvignon. Mr. Spurrier sold only French wine and believed that the California wines would not win. The 11 judges included Steven Spurrier (British), and Patricia Gallagher (American) of l'Academie du Vin. The French judges were Odette Kahn, editor of the Revue du Vin de France, Jean-Claude Vrinat of the Restaurant Taillevent, Raymond Oliver of the restaurant Le Grand Vefour, the sommelier Christian Vanneque of Tour D'Argent, Aubert de Villaine of the Domaine de la Romanee-Conti, Pierre Tari of Chateau Giscours, Pierre Brejoux of the Institute of Appellations of Origin, Michel Dovaz of the Wine Institute of France, and Claude Dubois-Millot. Blind tasting was performed so that none of the judges knew the identity of what was being tasted. Only the votes of the French judges were counted in the official tabulation.
Here were the results for White:
United States - Chateau Montelena 1973 (winemaker Mike Grgich)
France - Meursault Charmes Roulot 1973
United States - Chalone Vineyard 1974
United States - Spring Mountain Vineyard 1973
France - Beaune Clos des Mouches Joseph Drouhin 1973
United States - Freemark Abbey Winery 1972
France - Batard-Montrachet Ramonet-Prudhon 1973
France - Puligny-Montrachet Les Pucelles Domaine Leflaive 1972
United States - Veedercrest Vineyards 1972
United States - David Bruce Winery 1973

and Red:
United States - Stag's Leap Wine Cellars 1973 – 14.14 (winemaker Warren Winiarski)
France - Château Mouton-Rothschild 1970 – 14.09
France - Château Montrose 1970 – 13.64
France - Château Haut-Brion 1970 – 13.23
United States - Ridge Vineyards Monte Bello 1971 – 12.14
France - Château Leoville Las Cases 1971 – 11.18
United States - Heitz Wine Cellars 'Martha's Vineyard' 1970 – 10.36
United States - Clos Du Val Winery 1972 – 10.14
United States - Mayacamas Vineyards 1971 – 9.77
United States - Freemark Abbey Winery 1967 – 9.64
Wine Cont
written by Michael William, August 06, 2007
A 30-year anniversary re-tasting on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean was organized by Steven Spurrier in 2006. As The Times reported "Despite the French tasters, many of whom had taken part in the original tasting, 'expecting the downfall' of the American vineyards, they had to admit that the harmony of the Californian cabernets had beaten them again.

Results
United States - Ridge Vineyards Monte Bello 1971
United States - Stag's Leap Wine Cellars 1973
United States - Mayacamas Vineyards 1971 (tie)
United States - Heitz Wine Cellars 'Martha's Vineyard' 1970 (tie)
United States - Clos Du Val Winery 1972
France - Château Mouton-Rothschild 1970
France - Château Montrose 1970
France - Château Haut-Brion 1970
France - Château Leoville Las Cases 1971
United States - Freemark Abbey Winery 1967
Also gone are the days
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
When one could eat a huge plate of lobster at the Savanah Hotel at the Praça do Ferreira for ten New Cruzeiros.
Michael
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
I will leave the job of looking at their (Dutch) contribution to society to you, I have done my home work and have found a LOT of things were done by painters, theater, literature, philosophy, etc... I rather see legalized prostitution than see the women selling themselves the way they do in your country (and mine for that matter). I will be living in splendid Den Haag area, near Wassennar. Sorry, but in terms of high school education the US ranks 21st and the Netherlands 2, period. Yes, your universities are great, I graduated from a top ten university. I think Utrecht, Leiden, AMS and Delft are excellent universities. My kids would pay 3,000 euros per year. Can't beat that!
My grandfather is from Rotterdam, and the Dutch are tolerant of others, caring, educated and polite. In terms of technology and science, my area of expertise has a lot more potential there than here. The Dutch are light years ahead in terms of energy conservation and environmental protection. I am glad that some services are free, I much rather pay a little more tax and see people have a decent life, having to choose which finger to keep or loose is disgraceful and immoral. I cannot even imagine what the literature world would be without Shakespeare's work, quite empty don't you think? 4 weeks vacation...I used to have 6 in England and when I had my first child, I had 12 months of maternity leave and had my job waiting for me upon my return, how about maternity leave in the US and job security?

By the way, just to squeeze in a bit: Rembrandt, Vermeer, Isaac Beeckman, Simon Stevin---Try again, and do a little more research on their contributions to physics, maths and philosophy.

Portuguese: Vasco da Gama, Magellan , Cabral...Jose Sarmago (nobel prize winner), Fernando Pessoa, Luis de Camoes, Camilo Pessanha...

I agree with you Michael, that life in Leesburg is awful, maybe if people were more approachable I would have a different view. I think it is too late for me to change my mind, and as I said I have lived here way too long and know what I want from life and American lifestyle is not for everybody.
Australian and Chilean
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
Michael,

I prefer to drink wine from Australia and Chile. I am a merlot afficionada.
Wine
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
Please visit this web site, you will be disappointed at the results...http://www.internationalwinechallenge.com/trophies.aspx
2007 International Wine Challenge
written by Shelly, August 06, 2007
Enjoy The Netherlands Now
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
Before Global Warming makes it into a wading pool.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
I prefer to drink wine from Australia and Chile. I am a merlot afficionada.


I agree with you about the Ossie wine.The Californian wine is also good (They do produce some good seedless grapes, which I used to buy from Lojas Americanas). As for Chilean wines, they taste like horse piss (like the Argentine ones). I prefer the wines from RS.The French ones are good too,though they are too expensive for proteriats like me to buy and I would rather let our First Family to savour them at the tax payers´s expenses.

While in the Netherlands, enjoy Heiniken.I am sure your English husband knows what it is.

My first preference is pure Cachaça,though.
Joao
written by Shelly, August 07, 2007
There is a good place to buy some well make cachaca in Rio de Janeiro, I love caipirinha, as drinking pure cachaca I am not that brave! If you go to Paraty, you should stop at Fazenda Murycana, then still make using the alambique. Yes, I used to drink Heineken, but prefer Warsteiner.
here it is the link to Paraty and it is under distilleries.

http://www.paraty.com.br/iindex.asp

Ric
written by Shelly, August 07, 2007
You poor old sod, have to feel sorry for you smilies/cry.gif
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written by bo, August 07, 2007
Australian and Chilean
written by Shelly, 2007-08-06 18:05:04
Michael,

I prefer to drink wine from Australia and Chile. I am a merlot afficionada.


Wow, those are the two countries that I "normally" drink wine from. Lindeman's Bin 50, very nice Australian. There is a very nice Chilean that is affordable as well, around 50 reais, TRIO. Also there are some excellent wines from South Africa.
The Savannah Hotel
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 07, 2007
When my parents got married in Fortaleza in 1965, my Kansas-born grandparents flew there and stayed at the Savannah hotel, then a model of an American-styled
hotel experience. The Fortaleza downtown scene began to deteriorate in the early 80s, when commerce drifted to the more fashionable Iguatemi Shopping Center, the first major shopping mall in the city (Center Um was de facto the first, but somehow it never became a real destination); authorities have done a lot to revive the area, even rebuilding the Praca do Ferreira to resemble its 1930s heyday. I visited the area when I was there, and noticed that it hasn't changed much. It is strictly a commercial area that attracts day workers and shoppers from the poorer areas of town who prefer not to go to the more expensive malls in Aldeota, Papicu and Agua Fria (also known as Greater Aldeota by developers)
Bo
written by Shelly, August 07, 2007
See, we do have something in common! smilies/wink.gif Anyway, I had a really good Chilean wine at a restaurant in Tyson's Corner, Capital Grille not long ago-can't remember the darn name and it was the best merlot I ever had. Concha y Toro is horse piss wine, as our dear Joao has said. I have been through the wine tours in VA, and have to admit that Chrysalis and Tarara winery are the best local wine makers in town. Chrysali's Norton wines are very good, bold and intensely "grapy" in flavor and not as sweet as the Merlot. I don't know if you can get in Brazil tough...I think anyone heading towards VA should make a wine tasting trip and you will be surprised at the quality and knowledge being put into the local viticulture. I had a good white wine from Willowcroft, Riesling Muscat-Ottonel, nice summer wine not too sweet and somewhat off-dry. I do try to support the local producers and get a case or two once a year. I drink wine everyday and the problem with local wine is $ value, a bottle sells,depending on the harvest, between $15.00 and 35.00.
Actually
written by Ric, August 07, 2007
Actually, Shelley, you sound more like the Sangue de Boi type. Try cutting your Acaí with 50% Copersucar. Confira!
What´s the Word?
written by Ric, August 07, 2007
Thunderbird, Shelly.
Word!
written by bo, August 08, 2007
Mad Dog 20/20
not a right, but a privilege
written by A brazilian, August 08, 2007
I am against blocking ch.c from the site.It does infringe on the freedom of speech,you,me and many of the good Brazilians cherish!.(unless her/his posts are in Uppercase letters)


Writing to this site is not a right, but a privilege. Doing it for the sole purpose of spreading hate is more than enough to justify the exclusion of such person. Unlike you I think he uses statistics just as way of giving some pseudo-credibility to some several times bigger hateful message. Ch.c is not better than a neo-nazi or a black racist.
A Brazilan
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
Writing to this site is not a right, but a privilege. Doing it for the sole purpose of spreading hate is more than enough to justify the exclusion of such person. Unlike you I think he uses statistics just as way of giving some pseudo-credibility to some several times bigger hateful message. Ch.c is not better than a neo-nazi or a black racist.


Since I made the original comment, you deserve an answer from me.

I think that blocking one particular person or a group of people who express their pro or anti government views from any blog (or for that matter newspapers,Radio,TV...) will set a dangerous precedence to the parties in Power (whether be it PT or PSDB,etcsmilies/wink.gif to justify the muzzling of the Press and keep them cowed down.Look at what happened in Venezuela. You yourself have stated before about the "Crappy Novelas", our TVs show and I tend to agree with you,as they just project false illusions about life and dont contribute to the education of the "commoners". However, the novelas are well received by average Brazilian households. Lets suppose that our government decides to revoke the license for Globo,because it once in a while comes out with anti government news (I dont know for sure,as I dont watch it any more),unless it transmits only "fair weather" news about our economy,politics,etc; If Globo complies with the order,it will be creating another kind of illusions.As I like to say "all is blau" and the people will swallow whatever the TV stations intimidated by the government in power.In a nutshell, I want to stress that I am against any kind of censorship and efforts by ANY government to suppress the freedom of speech.

Coming back to Ch.c: His comments are not as vitriolic as that of the ones made in Terra or Estadão (though I think the ones in Terra are not substantiated with facts).He does have the tendency to classify ALL the Brazilians as cheaters and thieves,which of course you,me and many other honest Brazilians know is NOT true.He seems to be improving,slowly,but steadily. He does need honest people in BA to work in his project and will discover that there are millions of Brazilians who are honest and "BRAINY". btw, his views on SP forum coincides with ours! My point is that let him say what he wants and it is up to us analyse the facts and filter them.In fact, I am taking your advice to ignore him when he comes out with some bulls**t and verify his stats to take Managerial decisions!! I know it is not easy to listen to the crticisms,but unless a manager pays attention to them,he cant improve a company or a nation.In teh case of Lula,Chavez and Castro, they always want to be praised. You being a very intelligent person must know that it is a bad trait.

Whether you agree with me or not, it hardly matters. I enjoy reading your posts and all the best.
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written by bo, August 09, 2007
not a right, but a privilege
written by A brazilian, 2007-08-08 11:18:16

I am against blocking ch.c from the site.It does infringe on the freedom of speech,you,me and many of the good Brazilians cherish!.(unless her/his posts are in Uppercase letters)



Writing to this site is not a right, but a privilege. Doing it for the sole purpose of spreading hate is more than enough to justify the exclusion of such person. Unlike you I think he uses statistics just as way of giving some pseudo-credibility to some several times bigger hateful message. Ch.c is not better than a neo-nazi or a black racist.


Well, you said it Abe, guess they should ban your ass for calling historian a "n i g g e r" then, neh? I mean, it doesn't get any more racist than that. Ohhh, almost forgot, racism doesn't exist in brazil! smilies/shocked.gif
Holy Shiit!
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Shoulda dropped by on this thread earlier!
Wow! What's this tit-for-tat thing going on here? Everybody on a bad hair day? (never happens to me.I'm bald... smilies/grin.gif)
Jeezus H. Christ, there are more broadsides being fired here than there were at Trafalgar.
Frankly, dear brazilians, I don't give a rat's ass about comparing violence in other countries to ours. Or corruption. Or education. Or anything else.
UNLESS... there's a point to it, in the sense that we are trying to learn what actually worked for others so as to try and understand why our way doesen't cut it.
I have travelled to quite a few of "the most violent cities in brazil", listed on a post above. I actually have a colleague living in Colniza (Number 1!) at the moment.I see him every month.(he ain't been ventilated yet.But then,he's a cautious old geezer).
I have also been in more hairy situations I care to remember.
To those that keep second-guessing us who have seen the elephant: you ain't never been there. Things are different. The bunglers in the tube with Jean were crapping their pants at the time. It should heve been the Hereford lads, not those green pukes.
To Shelly. Lady, you ain't harsh at all.
Ma Deuce is a harsh lady. So is Bouncing Betty.
You're just being incisive smilies/grin.gif
Michael William: Brazil is not for begginers, nor for the faint of heart.Take a look at the posts in the thread about Bin Lula and absorb some more of the "elán" of the country.
To A Brazilian:censorship sucks.It goes hand in hand with a lot of much nastier stuff.Including some of the Lubyanka gadgets I sometimes mention.Let Ch.c thrash and froth at the mouth as usual, and pick something worthwhile out of his tantrums.Just stay out of biting range...
smilies/grin.gif
To João and Bo: Hi, guys. Lively here, ain't it?
João: as you might surmise, trouble spots(sometimes on the border) are occasionally places I visit.(at ungodly hours and with NVG's, too.Shiit I'm too old for this!) Our violence starts there, with the absence of the State and porous borders. The stuff eventually fuels big-city violence too.Lawlessness in general derives from an absence of the State.
Bo: yeah, yeah, I confess to using the "carteirada" once in a while too.BTW, armouring your car is not the solution. All you can get here is level III. A .223 will cut through it like a hot knife through butter (an "autoridade" in Rio found that out in a very terminal way). .308's will obviously do it even more. The thing is brains, not Brawn.
And to Ch.c :ask your physician about the possible use of Zyprexa... Might do you good.... smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
To:Ernest Barteldes
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Mr., congratulations! You are the first author I've seen here that actually checks the reactions on his article and gets into the skirmish here among us posters (well, I've been in this blog for too short a while; maybe other authors have already done it, but I ain't seen hair nor hide of them.Anybody comment on that?).
At any rate, my hat's off to you! Hope you write more articles. smilies/smiley.gif
in response to this
written by Ernest Barteldes, August 17, 2007
I do like to come back and check what people are saying... in the case of this piece, the number of comments have been unprecedented... Thanks for the kudos
Ernest
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written by Michael William, August 17, 2007
As for Chilean wines, they taste like horse piss (like the Argentine ones). I prefer the wines from RS.

Joao, are you serious? When I lived in RS I spent a lot of time in the Vale dos Vinhedos and still get back there once or twice a year when in town on business. My impressions were as follows: 1. the few wineries that are producing quality wines are doing so because they have very talented winemakers because 2. the climate/soil make the production of high quality wine very challenging. I found a few places doing a respectable job - primarily Casa Valduga and maybe a few of the Miolo reserves. But it is hard for these guys to compete because they are simply challenged by their geography...they simply get too much rain and don't have the sustained high temperatures needed.
To:Michael Willim
written by João da Silva, August 19, 2007
Joao, are you serious?


I was half serious,that is all. Your evaluation of the Wineries of RS is absolutely correct. Casa Valduga produces some good wine,in spite of the adverse conditions and they deserve our Kudos. Glad that you were involved in the project in RS. As for the Chilean and Argentine wines, I found them to be too acidic, though I must confess that I am not a conassaire of wines. My wife is one and she likes to choose the brands from Argentina,Chile,France and other places. As for me, I prefer wines from CA,France,Italy and South Africa-that is when I am in a wine drinking mood.

Generally speaking, the liquor is also consumed on the advertisements. For example, Scotch Wiskeys are consumed all over the world (in different brand names). But, I prefer the Canadian Rye and the Jack Daniels. I guess it depends on one´s personal tastes.

So, Mike I am not going to argue about the Wines. You still in U.S?
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written by Ric, August 19, 2007
Without Jack Daniels there would be no American Rodeo as we know it.
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 19, 2007
Without Jack Daniels there would be no American Rodeo as we know it.


Tell us all about it Ric,before Bo comes in with his own colored version smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Ric, August 20, 2007
The cowboys get served free. They have some before their event and have some more after their event.
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 20, 2007
The cowboys get served free. They have some before their event and have some more after their event.


Of course the lads deserve.What about the cowgirls? They should be charged for every drop of Jack before and after the event sem piedade.In effect, the cowgirls subsidize the cost of quenching the thirst of the cowboys.
No
written by Ric, August 21, 2007
The cowgirls are barrel racers and it wouldn´t take too much Jack Daniels to mess up their balance. Never saw them over at the bar before their event.
Ric/Bo
written by Shelly, August 27, 2007
Sangue de Boi, cheap brazilian grape juice for me...dude you can't get a grip that you have come across someone, a woman, a Brazilian with more brain than bunda!

I rather drink Concha y Toro, as for scotch, ask my lovely Brit man, he knows them all...

As for being a mad dog, yes I am a pit bull, people try to sugar coat some issues here and I won't put up with it. Like it or not, I am here to stay...
Tua Fussura Maior Que a Bunda? Por Isso Que Só Veve Infezada?
written by Ric, August 27, 2007
Some people have to tell us how smart they are. Doing so immediately disqualifies them. The really intelligent people try to keep it under wraps.

Caipirinhas, Sun & Fun
written by Caipirinhas, Sun & Fun, October 07, 2007
Hi Folks!!! I have lived in Rio de Janeiro for many years, going to all the beaches, feijoadas & barbecues in some slums around town, soccer games, parties at the samba schools leaving at 4 a.m.or more with my kids and never but ever got robbed...raped...stolen... if you are nice to them they respect you and trust you as a friend and as a brother. Then I moved to Philadelphia where they stole my car twice, I could not use good watches, could not go out at night unless with my friends, I could not let my windows open.. I moved to San Jose, Costa Rica, my house was robbed twice, traffic accidents, three cars were stolen. Now after my retirement I am back in Brasil, the problem here is that they advertise too much and people get scared all the time, they do not do this in Europe or US. The majority being killed are criminals, dealing with drugs not citizens.

This is a lively city, friendly people, great food, beautiful landscapes, just check how many expats, how many foreigners are moving to Brasil. So I will stay with my family. Forever. Ipanema, we are back!
Caipirinhas, Sun & Fun...
written by Caipirinhas, Sun & Fun, October 07, 2007
Huuummmm...I forgot to tell one thing: if Brasil is so dangerous, why so many foreigners are investing in this country, Arabs, Chinese, Americans, why are they moving to Brasil and enjoying the good life? The suicide rates in this country is low, check the ones in Scandinavia and Europe. Did you see how many nice buildings and condos are being sold in São Paulo, Curitiba, Barra da Tijuca nowadays? Is that a housing slump in Brasil right now? Terrorist attacks? Refugees all over the place? Do you want peace of mind? Tired of traffic jams, crimes and violence in big cities? Move to a smaller city or the countryside and you will be happy like us going to the bakery in the sunny morning with our dog for fresh bread, cookies, great coffee in our shorts and flip flops..

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