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Why Can't Brazil Bashers Accept the Simple Fact that Lula Won Reelection? PDF Print E-mail
Written by Luís Carlos de Oliveira   
Friday, 03 August 2007 12:04

Brazilian president Lula right after reelection with T-shirt reading This is Brazil's victory For those who read the national and international news media, mainly the interactive media offered by the Internet, is becoming more common to see a flood of instantaneous criticism aimed at the Brazilian government and Brazil itself, no matter what the facts may one day reveal.

This important site, Brazzil magazine, is one of the channels for that recent phobia, due to the fact that it is devoted to Americans and written both by American "Brazilianists" and by the international community.

Two episodes of the recent Brazilian history were depicted here and if they are both very carefully studied one can see how incredibly high are the similarities between both events.

In the previous accident with the Legacy jet, Joe Sharkey, the New York Times reporter specialized in travel, who was inside the executive jet, pointed his finger at the government and its agencies from the beginning stating that the military flight controllers actually put the two planes in a collision route. That assumption was immediately taken by most of the Internet community as the truth and a new "crucifixion" was in course even without a fair judgment.

Since this site is written in English - by people who for the most part live in Brazil or have lived in Brazil in the past - the subject has reached unexpected levels of audience in the international community and there was a day in which the public opinion - even without any firm conclusion about the accident - had already made their minds accusing the Brazilian government and their untrained, unprofessional, unqualified, incapable, unetc... people.

Today, that view (that the unprepared re-elected PT Government was the "cause" of the accident) is not firmly accepted worldwide as being the real and only cause of the accident. The subject is being discussed in several courts and is reaching a level in which pressure had to be taken of the back of the Brazilian government and its agents. Evidence shows that the main responsibility is now with the Legacy pilots who may have turned off the transponder of that airplane.

During the episode, many bitter things have been said about Brazil, its government and its people who have been often mentioned as second class citizens. All of this at the exact moment when these same Brazilians were revealing a new facet of their pride about their nation, which after so many years, centuries maybe, is finally changing the terrible paradigm that has always been the goal for all previous administrations: making bigger and bigger the gap between the poor and the rich.

The reader can note that the bias of what is being stated about this country is mostly negative, in spite of the fact that some of the subjects discussed are well conceived and present valid criticism. The majority of what is written, however, shows an agenda behind the line of thinking of those who are writing...

After the latest accident with the TAM Airbus, the Brazilian government - responsible for Congonhas runway - became once again the target for the same writers who didn't wait for any clear evidence of what had happened in Congonhas before starting the shooting, offending the government and the Brazilian people with their phobia and testing the strength of the reelected government of the Workers Party (PT).

As soon as it was revealed that the Congonhas runway may have not been the principal cause of the terrible accident, that the aircraft itself may have had the main role, these "blood hunters" have taken the finger off the trigger and have been resting. No one knows how long this rest will take, though.

The similarities are obvious and grotesque, and the perpetrators are always the same: those inside the borders - Brazilians or foreigners - and those abroad, who do not accept that the majority of the people of Brazil have chosen president Lula and his Workers Party to rule the country.

The election of a metal worker, mainly by the poor, for the presidency of one of the largest countries on earth has put in check many heavy private and government interests around the globe and it is still far from being accepted.

The opposition starts with fellow rich Brazilian countryman who spent the last five or six decades (or even more) depositing their money in the American and Swiss banks "defending" it from being devaluated inside the borders of Brazil.

Now these same Brazilians don't want to believe the reality when they see the graphs on newspapers showing that those deposits abroad have already devaluated around 50% mainly because of the economical policy of the "incompetent" PT government of Brazil, which has finally started to privilege the rescue of the poor Brazilians from their stone-age level, instead of defending the centenary privileges (mordomias) of the rich.

Sooner or later people will realize that opposition in Brazil is again being unfair and all they want is to bring the government down by force since they weren't able to do it in the ballot box.

Of course they have to do their opposition to the government, no doubt about it. It's their job. But by making opposition to the deep desire of the Brazilian people to make their lives a little less primitive is a terrible mistake and a bizarre nonsense that will be shown to be a shot in their own foot. Hopefully.

Luís Carlos de Oliveira is a Brazilian journalist and a former chief Editor for Jornal Terra Nostra.

Comments (247)Add Comment
Oh boy, here we go again... Blinkers on, everybody!
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
Okay, this has already become this government's (and their cronies, like the gentleman above) knee-jerk reaction:deny any responsibility, deny others the right to criticize (hey, weren't they the "Fora FHC!!" crowd?) as they have enthusiastically done in the past, and try and rally "the poor" they supposedly defend in a class war.
These guys are dangerous, and would go the way of Fidel and Chavez if they could (they're still trying). Any opinion differing from theirs in this "worker paradise" idea should be considered treason, an attempt at a coup d'etat and antidemocratic, and therefore put up against the wall and shot.
Accepting election results does not mean giving up our right as citizens to critically evaluate the work (work? today the president said he "didn't know" there was a problem with the aerial sector until the Gol plane crash. What the f**k was he doing as president for four years then? Oh, yeah, he was touring the world in his brand-new luxury plane!) of our elected officials. WE pay their salaries; THEY work for US! So as BOSSES, we have the right and the DUTY of demanding efficiecy, performance and a minimum of decorum (remember the "relaxa e goza" phrase and the "sifu" mime?) from those who live at our expense. Having a bunch of incompetent political apointees in an Aviation Regulatory Agency IS the president's DIRECT responsibility, and ther's no way of running from that.He DESERVES to be called Osama Bin Lula, for his anaction and irresponsibility crashed that plane, and keeps crashing land vehicles all over our decrepit roads. All he does is whine about how we are all being unfair, because "things have always been like this".
Gee, let me give you surprising news, mr Bin Lula: YOU WERE ELECTED PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THAT! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT!
Instead, this president has taken all of the bad points of the "brazilian way" of doing things and increased them tenfold.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with a cowardly weasel that has never heard of accountability and the fact that the president is supposed to be the guy that stands up and says "The buck stops here".That's also what being THE PRESIDENT is all about.
Grow up!
What we want is to make sure that next election you soviet-type politicos don't get elected again.
And if you don't like that, then move to Cuba, or North Korea, or Venezuela.
We'll even pay your tickets!
Huh?????
written by bo, August 03, 2007
Evidence shows that the main responsibility is now with the Legacy pilots who may have turned off the transponder of that airplane.



What evidence shows that you moron???


ALL evidence has indicated 100% otherwise! Only the ignorant brazilian congress decided to indict the american pilots and they did that as an attempt at some type of sick, torted vindication since the real people responsible for indicting the pilots, the brazilian federal prosecutors, have never and will never indict them because they no they have no basis!
By the way...
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
I am not a "brazilianist" nor a person who "has lived in brazil". I am a brazilian that does live in brazil, I am not "rich" or of any "elite", I do not have any money in foreign banks, and my income tax declaration is absolutely puny compared to our "working-class" president's. I do not smoke eighty-dollar cigars, do not prepare barbecue in a R$100,000 grill, do not wear egyptian-cotton robes, do not drink wine that cost R$ 3000 a bottle... and, most importantly, do not seek to adquire Italian citizenship for my kids so they may have a "better life". Now that is a real working-class, patriotic prez there, isn't he?
Brazil has NEVER had mor corruption scandals...
written by bo, August 03, 2007
than during the Lula administration!


Thank god for the PT party! Aren't they the ones that always stated how they weren't corrupt?
BTW 2
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
How the hell does this jerk who knows jacks**t about air traffic explain a transponder-less plane being let loose and flying with impunity? Where was traffic control? Does that mean we have NO RADAR COVERAGE? That ANY PLANE can just waltz in our airspace undetected and unchallenged so long as it turns its transponder off?
SO MAKE UP YOUR MIND, f**kFACE: Did the pilots really turn it off / not notice it was on and THEREFORE our airspace is a free-for-all and therefore we have NO air defense or traffic control;
or:
they did NOT have their transponder off and traffic control is so FUBAR that nobody noticed the collision course?
How exactly does ANY of these options exempt the government?
Our president DESERVES to be called Bin Lula!
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Oh boy, here we go again... Blinkers on, everybody!


Dude, I couldn´t have been more forceful in rebutting this article! Is this guy for real? You spoke for many of us and thanks.
Pfuittttt.......
written by ch.c., August 03, 2007
.....who is this junkie called...... Luís Carlos de Oliveira ????
This is his second article....almost a copy of the first one.
Not much imagination. Was he fired from Jornal Terra Nostra....due to corruption practices ??????


Yesssss wether he likes it or not, many foreigners have been killed in Brazil, some tortured, one cut in pieces, and ten of thousands robbed, assaulted, highjacked in buses.
May be this idiot doesnt know that the USA have put a travel warning......for Brazil....just a few months ago !!!
Of course Americans and europeans who had troubled while in Brazil.....are certainly not going to make compliments.

And regarding my yesterday comments on Sex Tourism from Brazilians...not foreigners......were taken from articles published in THIS SITE !!!!!

Hey hey Dear Idiot, what has Brazil done against the hundreds of BRAZILIANS politicians, judges, businessmen, sportsmen having been involved.....in sex....WITH MINORS ??????

It all ended in a gigantic Pizza, just the same as your vote buying scandal ??????

If you truly are an objective, and knowledgable editor, please clarify...PRECISELY.
Luiz Carlos de Oliveira
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
and, most importantly, do not seek to adquire Italian citizenship for my kids so they may have a "better life". Now that is a real working-class, patriotic prez there, isn't he?


Would you be kind enough to clarify why the First family has acquired Italian citizenship,if they are so confident of bringing better future to the "have nots" of this country?

How do you justify the obscene gestures made by M.A.Garcia and his ASPON to the Brazilian people and the families of the victims of the TAM 3504 tragedy?

What justification do you have for those 4 directors of ANAC being awarded medals even before the 3 day mourning period was over?

Come on, Luiz Carlos, we are waiting for the answers.
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written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Was he fired from Jornal Terra Nostra....due to corruption practices ??????


He is the FORMER Chief Editor of Jornal Terra Nostra and is possible that he was fired.May be he is looking for a job as an ASPON of Franklin Martins.Who knows?
Just my 2 cents...
written by "Magnus Brasil", August 03, 2007
Why do you think the poor elected Lula? Lack of education. Around 85% of the south and southeast (except Rio) didn't vote for him. Do you think that there are no poor people in these two areas? Of course there are. They are not just used to the "Pai dos Pobres" populism mentality, as the rest of Brasil. Lula keeps his "Bolsa Família" and alikes so he can augment his "Curral", like a good ol' "Coronel", like ACM. Just a little more "Canhoto". Without this, the fooling the poors agenda would not be complete...
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written by non Brazilian, August 03, 2007
I have only seen sources indicating that the safety systems were switched off, if there are any sources that point a different direction then perhaps they can ne posted here for all to see.

Lula has certainly shown some bad judgement but overall, I don´t see where all the negativity towards him comes from when compared to what he inherited and the differences he has made to millions of the poorest in the country.

A presidential democracy is a lousy system and the corruption we see in Brazil is for the same reasons it exists in USA, just less organized (today US made another move to control some corruption by lobbyists)
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written by non Brazilian, August 03, 2007
Everyone in Brazil seems to want a second passport and the benefits are obvious...so why seek a sinister motive?

It would be great if politicians were all held to account for their actions...but they aren´t, not here, not Europe and certainly not in the USA.

Brazil is making great strides forward and when Lula moves on from the presidency Brazil will be in a better state than it was when he came in. When the old guard come back in we can only hope that they are not able to rebuild their successful corrupt infrastructure, they were just better at getting away with it than the current lot.
continued........for the junkie Carlos........
written by ch.c., August 03, 2007
....and please clarify if the brazilian politicians, judges, artists, sportsmen...HAVE A SPECIAL LICENCE DELIVERED BY LULA......giving them the right to have sex with minors ?
If not, why have they not been tried and did not go to jail......as every foreigner....recognized guilty for the same crime ??????

And what about your deaths squads composed mostly of police officers, killing hundreds of children yearly ?

And what about the slaves working in sugarcane fields ? Ohhhh your vice president Alencar even denied the existence of slaves, not so long ago. If you were the chief maid of Jornal Terra Nostra....tell us the truth....just for once !

and continuing on sex with minors......Dear Idiot Carlos.....why dont you keep inform yourself better...and read more articles.....from this site ?
Here is one......JUST FOR YOU :
18% of Brazil's 5000 Municipalities Offer Plenty of Sex Tourism
Written by Michèlle Canes
Friday, 13 January 2006
The non-governmental organization (NGO), World Vision, campaign to combat sexual tourism is based on data gathered by Professor Maria Lúcia Pinto Leal, of the Brasília University (UnB).
According to the researcher, of the 5 thousand plus Brazilian municipalities, 930 present great numbers of cases of sexual tourism. She says that the Northeast leads the rank, followed by the Southeast, South, Central West and North regions.

I just remind you that sexual tourisn is not necessarily with foreigners only. PLEASE RE-READ the articles I reffered in my yesterday comments !!!!!!!
It happens that most sex tourism in Brazil....is done by Brazilians.....not Foreigners !!!!!

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written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Lula has certainly shown some bad judgement but overall, I don´t see where all the negativity towards him comes from when compared to what he inherited and the differences he has made to millions of the poorest in the country


According to him, he inherited the problem of Air Line the government that ruled the country 60 years ago.i.e 1947. He is yet to blame Pedro Cabral and it wouldnt be long before he does.

We would certainly be interested in knowing what difference he has made to the millions of the poorest in our country ,from your point of view. It is always refreshing to get the opinion of "Non Brazilians", like your good self.
To Brazilian Dude !
written by ch.c., August 03, 2007
What did you mean by ""The buck stops here" ????????

In the Brazilian politicians pockets ? But it does stop...right there !

-smilies/wink.gif)))))))))


Was this not what Lula criticized when he was a unionist and promised to change....if elected ?!
Just another promise made hundreds of times in many years ....but never delivered ! Reality being as you said.....much worse than before !
To:Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Brazil is making great strides forward and when Lula moves on from the presidency Brazil will be in a better state than it was when he came in.


Do you really and honestly believe in the crap you are saying?

Everyone in Brazil seems to want a second passport and the benefits are obvious...so why seek a sinister motive?


So you approve of the first family seeking for the Italian citizenship? I just cant believe your justification. I wonder what the Americans will say,if George Bush and his family want to get the Citizenship of U.K. For God´s sake, wake up,man.
This just in
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
From Ultimosegundo > http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br...1542 .html

Ao contrário do que disse ontem a aliados, o presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva sabia, em 2002, da gravidade de problemas no setor da aviação civil. Em artigo publicado na "Gazeta Mercantil" no dia 7 de janeiro de 2002 - antes, portanto, da eleição presidencial que lhe daria o primeiro mandato -, Lula chegou a usar a expressão "estágio terminal" para descrever a situação das companhias aéreas.

"A crise da aviação brasileira, que vem se arrastando há muitos anos, atinge um estágio terminal, sem que se vislumbre uma solução no horizonte", escreveu Lula. O título do artigo é "Morte anunciada do transporte aéreo".

Ontem, na reunião do Conselho Político do governo, Lula disse que não sabia dos problemas no sistema aéreo e, como há cinco anos, usou a metáfora do câncer, para falar do setor. "Todo o sistema está com metástase, mas o paciente não sabia", disse aos aliados. "Em cinco eleições que disputei para a Presidência, o assunto não foi debatido."


Não foi bem assim. O presidente fez referência, no artigo, inclusive à Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac), órgão regulador que estava sendo criado pelo governo Fernando Henrique Cardoso. O artigo não trata dos problemas da infra-estrutura e da falta de segurança nos aeroportos - questões que estão em debate neste momento -, mas discute a quebradeira das companhias e a carga tributária no setor. Como solução para os problemas das empresas aéreas, o então candidato presidencial do PT prega isonomia tributária e financiamentos para elas.


Sempre que falam da atual crise no setor aéreo, o presidente e os ministros mais influentes do governo avaliam que a falência da Varig foi o começo do recente caos nos aeroportos. No artigo, Lula cita uma série de números, questiona a criação da Anac e faz um histórico do processo de estruturação do órgão, criticando o então presidente Fernando Henrique por vetar mudanças no projeto de estrutura do órgão regulador.
Ok, so now here we have nice solid evidence of the kind of slimy, weasely person mr Bin Lula is.
you will never know
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 03, 2007
was it not a US pilot that got a $26.000 fine for the same jester , or is it okay for a brasilian to offend his home land

lula will have to leave brasil when he is done or his life will me under guard and he will fear for his life for the rest of it .myself he is not worth the price of the bullet .

brasilian politicans point out some one in the crow and blame it on them , cover you ass , and dont say i am sorry
To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
lula will have to leave brasil when he is done or his life will me under guard and he will fear for his life for the rest of it


Stand bye to give him the asylum on your boat,Forrest smilies/grin.gif
This also just in
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
Our prez has said he can't fire the directors of ANAC. Another slovenly lie from our sleazeball Bin Lula to duck his duties (not to mention HE PUT THEM THERE in the first place...)
from > http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br...51577.html

O presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva tem autoridade para demitir a direção da Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac) e das demais agências reguladoras se considerar necessário. A avaliação é do ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF), Eros Grau, que participou hoje do 1º seminário Justiça e Economia, cujo tema foi "Segurança e Desenvolvimento Econômico", na capital paulista.


Citando o artigo 84, inciso II, da Constituição Federal, o ministro explicou que as agências reguladoras são repartições públicas subordinadas à chefia da administração, que pertence à Presidência da República. "Os diretores das agências são meros subordinados do presidente da República. Ele pode, de acordo com a constituição, e deve, se necessário, demitir. Em suma, ele é o chefe da administração superior", afirmou. O artigo 84, incido 2, diz: "Compete ao presidente da República, exercer, com o auxílio dos ministros de Estado, a direção superior da administração federal".


De acordo com o ministro Eros Grau, a atual discussão sobre a possibilidade de demitir o presidente da Anac, Milton Zuanazzi, e o restante da diretoria agência "é perda de tempo". "Acho que está se perdendo muito tempo em discutir uma coisa que não merece esse tipo de discussão. É só ler a Constituição", finalizou. O seminário foi organizado pelo Centro de Estudos das Sociedades de Advogados (Cesa) e pelo Instituto Brasileiro de Ética Concorrencial (Etco).
Okay, so now what? Anything to say, Mr journalist? Or will you just pretend we're a bunch of idiots and believe that crap you wrote?
Hard to be in a country where the prez and his cronies have the ethics of an intestinal parasite, huh?
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written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Okay, so now what? Anything to say, Mr journalist? Or will you just pretend we're a bunch of idiots and believe that crap you wrote?


A good question,Dude. We are all waiting for the answer from Mr.Journalist (I like the nickname you gave to him!)
A little info...
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
Mr Bin Lula took as much time to react last time as this time, but concealed it. (there was no way to do that this time, with the accident being in São Paulo and therefore highly visible).
The plane's location was discovered on a friday. The guys from the BIS (Batalhão de Infantaria de Selva) got there saturday morning, and the emergency/healthcare infrastructure in Cuiabá was put on high alert that same morning. Every intensive-care unit and trauma/burn specialist, as well as the whole of the transport vehicles were primed and waiting.
By 14:00 hours everyone got the sobering message: stand down. No survivors. The military had done a thorough recon of the area and knew that all they'd find was bits and pieces.The order to bring out the refrigerated trucks was sent.
The government, however, put a lid on the whole thing, giving the oficial line of "we are still searching for possible survivors."
Bullsh-t. They were in panic and trying to figure out how to put a less damaging spin on things.The real news about no survivors was released only on tuesday, after they had already managed to figyre out the american pilots would make perfect scapegoats.
Three days.
Seems to be their pre-set response time...
I guess they just wanted some cover story that would hold until the elections. They didn't expect it to be as successful as it was, but all for the better...
This info has not been publicized yet, nor will it ever. They will deny they were aware of the dimensions of the disaster as early on as it was.
Scumbags.
Are you real?
written by PPLCF, August 03, 2007
Who are you? Are you real? Do you exist in quantum mechanics? I am not real... ahhh. You are kidding me? Are you rightist? Leftist? Middle nowhere? Uhh... FHC was better... better off. Sarney was better... better off. Colors was better... better off. Hmm, where am I... Dam... that's what I get after this quantum mind boggling thing. Ahh, whare was I in my trip.
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written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Who are you? Are you real? Do you exist in quantum mechanics


I am nobody. WTF is Quantum Mechanics? You are soo clever and could u please explain what sort of disease is this?
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written by non Brazilian, August 03, 2007
yes i do see Brazil is in much better shape now than it was when i arrived and yes at least in the areas i work the lot of the poorest has improved.

in all areas that i work i see improvments and everyone who does business here can see it......if you don't agree then itemise the the areas that become worse

i guess you can't have an italian passport and so resents anyone else having one, too bad.

so if the resident ranters can calm their nerves long enough to back up their arguments they might even be taken seriously
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written by non Brazilian, August 03, 2007
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?......please share and with sources
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written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
yes i do see Brazil is in much better shape now than it was when i arrived and yes at least in the areas i work the lot of the poorest has improved


When did you arrive? in 1500?
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?


According to Dr.Pires (our beloved ex minister of Defense and a great friend of your beloved Lula),the U.S. pilots are guilty like hell and to be tried for culpable homicide. Unless you personally intervene, they are to be jailed for at least 50 years.
Re:Luís Carlos de Oliveira
written by Doggy Daddy, August 04, 2007
Wake up and smell the coffee! Not a serious country and I suppose that.. it's.... "Shake and Bake and I helped" .What a dribble you write and you really believe that us from the first and real world should even give you 1 minute of our attentions? The real Buck in Brazil stops and drops in the pocket of??? One guess folks and one for the gipper and Sr Bin L
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written by bo, August 04, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-03 23:07:34
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?......please share and with sources


LOL...Luis, you're either joking or the stupidest son-of-a-bitch on the internet.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
and still the ranters do what they do best, rant, all talk and no substance.

Time for you boys to put some thought into your commentary, back up what you say with verifiable references or accept that you really don´t have anything valuable to say.
OH Man!
written by Nick, August 04, 2007
I would like to know what proof there is about pilots turning off the transponder. It has been reported that is was malfunctioning and was not likely turned off. If it was equipment failure then the manufacturer is to blame. But NOOOOOOO, Brazil was first to fire off accusations that it was the pilots of the private jet that caused the accident. They never waited for a full investigation to be completed. So lets not only blame the internet reporters for this mishandling and reporting of this tragic incident.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
Okay, what is the source for your assertion that the equipment malfunctioned and was not switched off?

If ALL the communication systems failed at the same time (ha ha), then it was incumbent on the pilot to stay away from known flightpaths and land safely.

Nick, I have no problem acknowledging that all facts may not be known, and as such the claims above are mere bluster and as the original poster says, Brazil bashing. I have no problem with Brazil bashing where it is justified but we should let a little common sense cloud our judgement

point of order
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 04, 2007
US piloits were kept apart for the first 4 days so there stories were from there own minds .
While the brasilian ATC were all togeather and never even talked to (medical reasons ) all have the same illiness
called cover up & blame the other guy .

the court cases filed in New York by 11 brasilian laywers lay claim to total fault to the US pilots , and that there would be no need for any of the brasilian ACT to come up and
testafi on there behalf as they all have sign statements under aoth and that will be good enough .
US Judge says no and ACT must appere in court in the US to be questioned in court .
there has even been 4 persons open a case that were just there to recover the bodies and said ti was so bad they cant work any more and have bad dreams .
two others have been filed by persons just looking at pic on the internet

too have planes on the same flight path going the same way is okay but to call for 2 planes going at each other should be separted by 10.000 ft of air space at least
not to maintane air comunation from surface to air very bad idea
here is where the main case comes into play
no radar , as closeing at speed booth planes dont see each other , the ACT think what they see is ground reflection of the same plane
little to no ground to air or air to ground comunaction at this point .
on question from ground ACT about another plane in same flight vector
the beacon on or off at this point does not even come into play as the aircraft are just to close
as we all know now the radar curtin over the amazon if not so grate .
the raido towers are not working or not there .
most air traffic from SP and RIO fly along the coast of the east or west coast as that is where the
main flight paths are
there is a very large gap in aircraft radar and raido that runs from coulmbia over to peru and down to about sao lousi
and there is no plans to fix it by the brasilian goverment .
same as the runway at SP
they can see what needs to be done but are more into how much money can i make out of this .

if the was the airport in brazilia it would be done yesterday
but sence it is only people of brasil and a few tourtist no big deal

it does not hurt me or my family no big deal .

as long as the people get there box of dry goods we did good
as long as the lula houses are built in out of the way places with no running water and indoor plumbing
not my family no big deal .
get just enough done to make the party look good to the poor and stupid and we will be incharge
another 8 years .

NO SO MUCH UNLIKE THE US GOVERMENT

the party is more important than the people
the goverment is more important than the country
we are the new kings and the court
the rest will do our bidding
our work and pay the taxes that we spend on ourselves
and if we need more money we will print it and rase taxes to cover it
we can piss off other countries and place the blame on the people
and spin it to make our people hate them and not us
Brazil in better shape?
written by nesnej, August 04, 2007
The fact is Lula lucked into a situation whereby commodity prices have remained high and Brazil has gone through an augmentation in agricultural efficiency. This has allowed Lula to increase government spending while not making the needed reforms for lasting longterm success. Yes the lot of the poor has improved under the Lula administration, but not BECAUSE of his administration. Many of the programs for the poor were already started under FHC, these programs take time to work. The frustration with Lula is in the fact that Brazil could be doing so much better, but Lula is content to placate his constituency and let the country run itself.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
You are clearly not starting or running a business in Brazil:

When I arrived in Brazil the World Bank stated it took more than 300 days to open a company, now it takes weeks.

Trademarks took 5 years to be even looked at, now the time can be as low as 1 year at the rate they are going.

Efficiency of collection of taxes for services has been improved dramatically - this is good for everyone and has reduced payments into the black/grey economy - if this can be extended into product invoices to make the system more efficient the number of and % of taxes may possibly be reduced - why? because it is so f¨%&*ing complicated.

Everything I do in terms of dealing with State and Federal departments has become at least less difficult, particularly in relation to exports and while I still have problems with imports, the situation is more manageable and I have never had to pay anyone facilitate the entry despite hearing all the stories of how it used to be.

Online government services in Brazil are in my opinion are improving monthly, online banking is the best I have ever encountered.

If any of you had tried to make a change to your contrato social 7 years ago you would have contemplated suicide or used a despachante, now, it is a straightforward and far far quicker, sometimes days not the months it used to be.

Many of the overall costs of production are going down, just labour seems to go up all the time. Yes there have been new taxes but I am glad to see that it is getting harder to avoid them, levels the playing field. It has been a while since anyone asked how I wanted to pay, you know what I mean.

I am not a defender of the difficulty of doing business in Brazil but I will defend from my own experience the amazing changes that have taken place during the last few years.

I don´t know if these had anything to do with Lula and in my opinion it should not have anything to do with a president, as i said, a presidential democracy is a stupid idea, the idea of electing someone to such an important political and economic role because of their personality is just ridiculous....what next? an actor? the retarded son of a previous president or worse (yes there could be worse).
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
I have heard the transcripts of the attempts to contact the jet, is there an explanation for that?

lets face it, foreigners have a very cavalier attitude to Brazil, no pilot would dream of turning off his equipment flying over the Grand Canyon, so why would he do it in Brazil?

more than 300 days to open a company, now it takes weeks. !!!!!!
written by ch.c., August 04, 2007
....Weeeks ????
Months.......... is more aprropriate.

Just refer to the ranking of the report "doing business".
Brazil rank ? 122 out of 175 !!!!!!

And opening a company needs....180 days....on average !

Elsewhere ....from a few weeks to a few days....even in developing countries !

Please review your sources.
Open a bus. in 7 days?
written by nesnej, August 04, 2007
Not in one state in Brazil can you open a business in 7 days. A survey just came out stating this last week, I believe it was in the JB. Are you sure I am CLEARLY not running a business in Brazil? Yes services have improved and become more transparent, but thanks to the internet and mass media they have improved everywhere in the world. The fact remains, and you should be sure about this, that the current administration is happy to ride out its presidency without making the long term reforms for Brazil to remain competitive in the future. If you are running a business in Brazil, especially one that has to deal with import and export then you should know that.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
i said weeks to open a company, not 7 days....try again
non brasilian
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 04, 2007
remindes me of flying with my uncle into germany many years ago like 40

he was calling to the tower and trying to understand the bad english of the ACT
soon the german ask have you ever flown into germany before and my uncle told him yes
it was 1945 and he did not land .
at that point the german sak wht should he have to speak english when he was in germany
and my uncles copolit
said you lost the war

for thoes of you that know me my dog zues died last night of old age
i will miss him as there will never be another

ZUES dec 1991---aug 2007

23 states
47 countries

6 feamale
4 male
puppies all dead now
but some of his grand dogs are out there
in texas

yall have a good evening
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written by Lucas R., August 04, 2007
I feel sorry for your ole buddy zues. 47 countries. what a friend.
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written by bo, August 04, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-04 08:52:20
and still the ranters do what they do best, rant, all talk and no substance.

Time for you boys to put some thought into your commentary, back up what you say with verifiable references or accept that you really don´t have anything valuable to say.



Your the jackass that wrote the article Abe. Why do you always ask for references but never give any yourself?
This guy is on drugs or needs to be
written by Shelly, August 04, 2007
Are you a junkie??? Luis Carlos De Oliveira, you are a crazy son of a gun! Go back to your cave, think again and see if you come up with a decent news line...be serious though.
NON BRAZILIAN
written by Ze da Culatra, August 04, 2007
Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian". Ignore this a*****e please.
Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
for thoes of you that know me my dog zues died last night of old age
i will miss him as there will never be another

ZUES dec 1991---aug 2007


Forrest, please do accept my sincere condolences for the demise of your dog Zues. As the old proverb says, a dog is the best friend of a man. I am sure you will mis Zues. I had a couple of dogs too and they didnt live for 16 years as Zues did. The first for 3 years and the second for 5 years. Then I decided not to have one,because one gets too attached to the dogs.btw, I dont like cats and the good ole dogs used to keep me away from them.

I am glad that ZUES left his kith and kin in ole Texas.

I am sure you will recover from your loss soon. Take care.
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written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian".


Sorry, "A Brazilian" is an authentic Brazilian who is well read and knowledgeable. On the contrary, Non Brazilian is an Italian, who is quite ill informed and in Brazil playing the role of a "Gostosão".

Just pay attention to the posts by "A Brazilian" and "Non Brazilian". You will discover the difference.
non brazilian...
written by brazilian dude, August 05, 2007
The point about the transponder is moot. repeating:"How the hell does this jerk who knows jacks**t about air traffic explain a transponder-less plane being let loose and flying with impunity? Where was traffic control? Does that mean we have NO RADAR COVERAGE? That ANY PLANE can just waltz in our airspace undetected and unchallenged so long as it turns its transponder off?
SO MAKE UP YOUR MIND, F*CKFACE: Did the pilots really turn it off / not notice it was off and THEREFORE our airspace is a free-for-all and therefore we have NO air defense or traffic control;
or:
they did NOT have their transponder off and traffic control is so FUBAR that nobody noticed the collision course? "
The point is about controling and monitoring. Either it happens or it doesen't. That shows what kind of investment and professionalism exist in ATC.
As for mr Bin Lula's improvements: he has, very smartly, concentrated on measures that are visible and popular, such as cutting paperwork and giving alms to the poor, but at the cost of leaving the infrastructure to its own ends - to rot, in other words.He also managed to inflate the government by creating thousands of "cargos de confiança" to be occupied by cronies and supporters.That has the purpose of ransacking the public funds for all they're worth (check the numbers on both of these matters.You will see roads, ports, agricultural support and planning,airports, hospitals and energy generation have deteriorated since has came to power).In other words, he is gaining short-term popularity at the cost of the country's future (like Chavez). The only factors that have made this possible are the extraordinary international context of prosperity we live in, and which has dragged Brazil along with it, albeit at a much slower pace than other countries(again, check the numbers). Also, I suggest you do a background check on Mr Journalist, who has quite an interesting history.
This government has a lot of info it keeps under wraps... a lot of skeletons in its closet. Some era from the time Bin Lula was a syndicate leader at ABC... He was taped on some of the meetings with Volkswagen bosses in which he took kickcbacks to end strikes...
(sorry, but THAT one you won't be able to verify, it's buried too deep. The timeline of the Gol accident, however, is easy to check on.Too many people involved to keep it strictly need-to-know).
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written by bo, August 05, 2007
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written by João da Silva, 2007-08-05 00:14:43

Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian".



Sorry, "A Brazilian" is an authentic Brazilian who is well read and knowledgeable.


Well João, there have been more than one poster posting under the name of A brazilian over the last year, that is unquestionable. And although I agree with A brazilian II's stance on the middle class and many groups such as the MST wanting the gov't. to just give them things for free, and that's certainly not the right way to advance as a country, imo, I've also seen him tell outright LIES, time after time, and not only that, but we all seen him chase intelligent, legitimate posters from this site by calling them terrible names. Here is a perfect example of a statement that we've seen from Abe Razillion.

"Brazil is not a racist country you n-i-g-g-e-r!"
One Thing
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
One thing I can tell you. Not one experienced pilot, whether national or foreign, buys the idea that the Legacy pilots purposely turned off the transponder. Is there even one IFR rated pilot out there who will disagree with me? If so, check in.

In the context of a pilot flying for hire, with his boss paying the user fees, on an international IFR flight in positive control, or in the rarified upper levels where all the rules change and constant contact is required, turning off the transponder on purpose is impossible.

None of those who came up with this idea and keep repeating it are pilots. To pilots they appear to be fools.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
interesting, all the people who disagree with the resident ranters must be the same person using several names. i have never posted as `brazilian`.

so is there any chance you boys can calm yourselves down enough to discuss the topic? or are you just having too much fun avoiding it?
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
the accident happened, commnication was not possible with the jet. those are the base facts.....squirm how you will these two facts won't change. if the blame lies with the pilot personally (switched off equipment) or the jet being flown with faulty equipment does not absolve the pilot from responsibility.

all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
round we go in a circle, it can't be shown that business conditions became worse in the last 5 years so the ranters resort to a dance around the topic. so what if lula is not responsible for the improvements in the economy? there are improvements, lots of them.

perhaps you would like to explain how much better for example the US is doing?

Common Thing
written by Simpleton, August 05, 2007
Ric, I hope you are clearly understood. No doubt you will be picked on for word choices. Turning it OFF purposefully IS possible (not impossible as you say). That was the first guilty verdict issued before the content of the black boxes were even examined. Unfortunately the black boxes didn't mysteriously disappear so the crew could be guilty of playing games with their new toy out of the sight and control of the ATC with respect to ALTITUDE (i.e. the controllers can see WHERE they are but not what height they are at doing climbs, dives, pirrouettes without the transponder ON or when they are outside the ground based surveilliance coverage zones - which, in Brazil are naturally huge and will always be til there's an international airport every hundred or so miles covering the whole place - the AG boys, lumber cutters, cane collectors and shrimp brooders will build them if you make them to pay ).
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?


As I mentioned before, Dr.Waldir Pires, our ex Minister of Defense has already ruled that the American pilots are guilty as hell.In Dr.Pires, we trust and all that the government has to do is extradite those two,try them and sentence to at least 50 years prison.btw, one of the Pilots is an Italian immigrant and a naturlaized citizen of U.S. The other is the son of an Argentine father and Spanish mother. As I said before, unless you intervene personally, these two are about to rot in a Brazilian jail. Use your influence with the Brazilian government and dont sit there just asking our opinion,which doesnt count.
Forrest
written by Shelly, August 05, 2007
My deepest condolences. I know what is like to loose a pet, it is horrible thing. I have lost two cats-one died of kidney failure and the other cancer. We brought them over from the UK and they were friends with my 2 American dogs.
Impossible
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
In the sense of what we know and have observed in the system, not impossible in a technical sense. Still waiting for one experienced pilot to say that he or she believes that the crew switched it off in Positive Controlled airspace.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
Joao, you make zero sense, give it up.

the pilots are in usa, they are very unlikely to ever face a trial in brazil and if convicted in a us court are unlikely to face jail and there is zero chance they would be returned to brazil
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written by Michael William, August 05, 2007
It is widely known in the global commercial aviation industry that Brazilian air traffic control is inadequate - inadquate at best. A more apt description would be utterly dysfunctional. The Brazilian controllers themselves point out this fact on a regular basis as evidenced by the recurring strikes attempting to draw attention to the situation. The sad truth behind the Gol/Legacy disaster is that the Brazilian government was grossly negligent yet tried to criminalize everyone else. Simply stated, Brazilian air traffic has grown at a faster pace than its infrastructure. Unless the Brazilian government invests major resources to reform the air traffic control system and upgrade infrastructure, more catastrophies will occur. It will only take a few more of these disasters, and maybe another PCC uprising or two, before a good part of Brazil's foreign capital inflow starts to dry up.



Michael William
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
It will only take a few more of these disasters, and maybe another PCC uprising or two, before a good part of Brazil's foreign capital inflow starts to dry up.


It is too bloody true and I agree with you. For the record: Let the doubting Thomases not put the blame on us for not warning them! If one goes through Today´s news about which airports the government wants to invest 350 Million Reais, he will understand our warning.
non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
Joao, you make zero sense, give it up.


Sure,I give up. It is difficult to put sense in some idiot that doesnt take time to read all the material regarding the Gol accident or the subsequent f**kups by the authorities.Easier to brain pick on other people.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
I have lost two cats-one died of kidney failure and the other cancer. We brought them over from the UK


Sorry about your cats,though I cant stand them. Were your cats required to get visas to go into U.S.?

Good that you have American dogs. I have an American dog friend in Chicago. A great pal of mine and I am not kidding. But I think that he is about to go too,like ZUES.In general, the dogs are not "Traiçoeiros". I like them.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
Joao- Brainpick? in your case that would be difficult but by all means continue to cover your ignorence with bluster and expletives.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-05 12:18:17
the accident happened, commnication was not possible with the jet. those are the base facts.....squirm how you will these two facts won't change. if the blame lies with the pilot personally (switched off equipment) or the jet being flown with faulty equipment does not absolve the pilot from responsibility.

all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?



Hey jackass, you haven't followed ONE THING in this incident. Do you realize how ignorant you sound? There are umpteen million facts and testimonies that you have either 1. Not read nor are aware of, or 2. Simply ignorant.

Let me give you just a few factual occurrrences that have transpired over the last 11 months.

1. Are you aware that a Brazilian Air Force seargent who was working in the control tower the day of the accident has already testified in front of the Brazilian senate that THE DAY of the accident they were aware that the radar was not working in the area where the accident occurred and that it was probable that the ATC system would not be picking up transponder signals and the possibility of no communication!

2.Are you also aware that the air traffic controllers in Brasilia were also aware that the Legacy's transponder was NOT functioning for 50 minutes BEFORE the accident and DID NOT attempt to communicate this to them yet it IS their responsibility to do so! That's right! It is NOT the responsibility of a pilot to make certain his transponder is working, it is the responsibility of air traffic control to alert a plane's pilots that his transponder is not working....and that was never done NOR attempted!

3. Any idiot that would still attempt to put blame on the american pilots after the facts and testimonies(by brazilian air traffic controllers, pilots, etc) given over the last 11 months truly has a human psyche that needs to be studied! How someone could still today refute the hundreds of facts and testimonies given, which ALL coincide to indict and place blame at the feet of the Brazilian air traffic controllers as well as the Brazilian air traffic control system itself, is truly impressive!

Non brazilian, think someone here mentioned your from Italy?? If so, you need to just stick to picking up the underage black prostitutes in Salvador and leave the analytical thinking to us big boys. smilies/wink.gif
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written by A brazilian, August 06, 2007
Bo, are you the owner of this site? How can you affirm there was more than one "A Brazilian" last year?
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written by non Brazilian, August 06, 2007
bo - so being italian in your dark world is to be a paedofile? and why emphasise that the 'prostitutes' are black? You reveal so much more about your own sick mind than you can ever say about me.

please explain the transcripts of attempted communication with the jet.

unlike you it seems, i have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the cause of the incident or the necessary trial of the culprits whoever they may be, so what is your interest? please tell us before your veins burst with infantile rage.
Is Bo a damm mercenary ??
written by Lucas R., August 06, 2007
Bo is probably being paid by Jo Sharkey and by Excel Air the company owner of the legacy jet to spread lies.
There is a lot of interest going on here: Joe Sharkey may be prosecuted for false testimony and for hiding evidences of the accident while the company may have to pay for all the victms. Millions of dollars here. Why don't pay a 20 bucks a week to this miserable idiot to do what he is doing ??
Besides, who in this globe will listen to Joe Sharkey and maybe even to NYTimes after this episode comes to the light??
Still Waiting
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
Your comments demonstrate that invective is all you have left, blathering the Same Old Stuff intead of actually answering Bo.

Still waiting for one experienced pilot, like at least commercial with a MEL, to say that he or she believes that the Legacy pilots purposely turned off the Xponder.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-08-06 10:30:46
Bo, are you the owner of this site? How can you affirm there was more than one "A Brazilian" last year?



It wasn't real difficult Abe. A Brazilian I couldn't put two congruent sentences together as well as his spelling and syntax were terrible. Then A Brazilian II would come along and write nearly perfect english.


Didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out.
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
Joao- Brainpick? in your case that would be difficult


Thanks for confirming what I suspected about my "Brain Power" which of course would never come down to that of your level.

unlike you it seems, i have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the cause of the incident or the necessary trial of the culprits whoever they may be, so what is your interest?


If you have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the accident of Gol 1907, why ask so many questions to the "Resident Ranters", when you can easily read all the articles written in this news magazine or the ones written in the National Newspapers in Brazil (of course, you probably dont know to Portuguese) or readin Joe Sharkey´s blog (which does translate the news from papers like Folha).

Any way, please do tell me what is your interest in this issue,before your pile bursts.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-06 11:29:23
bo - so being italian in your dark world is to be a paedofile? and why emphasise that the 'prostitutes' are black? You reveal so much more about your own sick mind than you can ever say about me.



No, not in my world, in my reality. You see, I spend a lot of time in Salvador, and 98% of the time I see some greasy italian he's with a black 15 year old prostitute!