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Why Can't Brazil Bashers Accept the Simple Fact that Lula Won Reelection? PDF Print E-mail
2007 - August 2007
Written by Luís Carlos de Oliveira   
Friday, 03 August 2007 09:04

Brazilian president Lula right after reelection with T-shirt reading This is Brazil's victory For those who read the national and international news media, mainly the interactive media offered by the Internet, is becoming more common to see a flood of instantaneous criticism aimed at the Brazilian government and Brazil itself, no matter what the facts may one day reveal.

This important site, Brazzil magazine, is one of the channels for that recent phobia, due to the fact that it is devoted to Americans and written both by American "Brazilianists" and by the international community.

Two episodes of the recent Brazilian history were depicted here and if they are both very carefully studied one can see how incredibly high are the similarities between both events.

In the previous accident with the Legacy jet, Joe Sharkey, the New York Times reporter specialized in travel, who was inside the executive jet, pointed his finger at the government and its agencies from the beginning stating that the military flight controllers actually put the two planes in a collision route. That assumption was immediately taken by most of the Internet community as the truth and a new "crucifixion" was in course even without a fair judgment.

Since this site is written in English - by people who for the most part live in Brazil or have lived in Brazil in the past - the subject has reached unexpected levels of audience in the international community and there was a day in which the public opinion - even without any firm conclusion about the accident - had already made their minds accusing the Brazilian government and their untrained, unprofessional, unqualified, incapable, unetc... people.

Today, that view (that the unprepared re-elected PT Government was the "cause" of the accident) is not firmly accepted worldwide as being the real and only cause of the accident. The subject is being discussed in several courts and is reaching a level in which pressure had to be taken of the back of the Brazilian government and its agents. Evidence shows that the main responsibility is now with the Legacy pilots who may have turned off the transponder of that airplane.

During the episode, many bitter things have been said about Brazil, its government and its people who have been often mentioned as second class citizens. All of this at the exact moment when these same Brazilians were revealing a new facet of their pride about their nation, which after so many years, centuries maybe, is finally changing the terrible paradigm that has always been the goal for all previous administrations: making bigger and bigger the gap between the poor and the rich.

The reader can note that the bias of what is being stated about this country is mostly negative, in spite of the fact that some of the subjects discussed are well conceived and present valid criticism. The majority of what is written, however, shows an agenda behind the line of thinking of those who are writing...

After the latest accident with the TAM Airbus, the Brazilian government - responsible for Congonhas runway - became once again the target for the same writers who didn't wait for any clear evidence of what had happened in Congonhas before starting the shooting, offending the government and the Brazilian people with their phobia and testing the strength of the reelected government of the Workers Party (PT).

As soon as it was revealed that the Congonhas runway may have not been the principal cause of the terrible accident, that the aircraft itself may have had the main role, these "blood hunters" have taken the finger off the trigger and have been resting. No one knows how long this rest will take, though.

The similarities are obvious and grotesque, and the perpetrators are always the same: those inside the borders - Brazilians or foreigners - and those abroad, who do not accept that the majority of the people of Brazil have chosen president Lula and his Workers Party to rule the country.

The election of a metal worker, mainly by the poor, for the presidency of one of the largest countries on earth has put in check many heavy private and government interests around the globe and it is still far from being accepted.

The opposition starts with fellow rich Brazilian countryman who spent the last five or six decades (or even more) depositing their money in the American and Swiss banks "defending" it from being devaluated inside the borders of Brazil.

Now these same Brazilians don't want to believe the reality when they see the graphs on newspapers showing that those deposits abroad have already devaluated around 50% mainly because of the economical policy of the "incompetent" PT government of Brazil, which has finally started to privilege the rescue of the poor Brazilians from their stone-age level, instead of defending the centenary privileges (mordomias) of the rich.

Sooner or later people will realize that opposition in Brazil is again being unfair and all they want is to bring the government down by force since they weren't able to do it in the ballot box.

Of course they have to do their opposition to the government, no doubt about it. It's their job. But by making opposition to the deep desire of the Brazilian people to make their lives a little less primitive is a terrible mistake and a bizarre nonsense that will be shown to be a shot in their own foot. Hopefully.

Luís Carlos de Oliveira is a Brazilian journalist and a former chief Editor for Jornal Terra Nostra.



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Oh boy, here we go again... Blinkers on, everybody!
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
Okay, this has already become this government's (and their cronies, like the gentleman above) knee-jerk reaction:deny any responsibility, deny others the right to criticize (hey, weren't they the "Fora FHC!!" crowd?) as they have enthusiastically done in the past, and try and rally "the poor" they supposedly defend in a class war.
These guys are dangerous, and would go the way of Fidel and Chavez if they could (they're still trying). Any opinion differing from theirs in this "worker paradise" idea should be considered treason, an attempt at a coup d'etat and antidemocratic, and therefore put up against the wall and shot.
Accepting election results does not mean giving up our right as citizens to critically evaluate the work (work? today the president said he "didn't know" there was a problem with the aerial sector until the Gol plane crash. What the f**k was he doing as president for four years then? Oh, yeah, he was touring the world in his brand-new luxury plane!) of our elected officials. WE pay their salaries; THEY work for US! So as BOSSES, we have the right and the DUTY of demanding efficiecy, performance and a minimum of decorum (remember the "relaxa e goza" phrase and the "sifu" mime?) from those who live at our expense. Having a bunch of incompetent political apointees in an Aviation Regulatory Agency IS the president's DIRECT responsibility, and ther's no way of running from that.He DESERVES to be called Osama Bin Lula, for his anaction and irresponsibility crashed that plane, and keeps crashing land vehicles all over our decrepit roads. All he does is whine about how we are all being unfair, because "things have always been like this".
Gee, let me give you surprising news, mr Bin Lula: YOU WERE ELECTED PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THAT! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT!
Instead, this president has taken all of the bad points of the "brazilian way" of doing things and increased them tenfold.
Unfortunately, we are stuck with a cowardly weasel that has never heard of accountability and the fact that the president is supposed to be the guy that stands up and says "The buck stops here".That's also what being THE PRESIDENT is all about.
Grow up!
What we want is to make sure that next election you soviet-type politicos don't get elected again.
And if you don't like that, then move to Cuba, or North Korea, or Venezuela.
We'll even pay your tickets!
Huh?????
written by bo, August 03, 2007
Evidence shows that the main responsibility is now with the Legacy pilots who may have turned off the transponder of that airplane.



What evidence shows that you moron???


ALL evidence has indicated 100% otherwise! Only the ignorant brazilian congress decided to indict the american pilots and they did that as an attempt at some type of sick, torted vindication since the real people responsible for indicting the pilots, the brazilian federal prosecutors, have never and will never indict them because they no they have no basis!
By the way...
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
I am not a "brazilianist" nor a person who "has lived in brazil". I am a brazilian that does live in brazil, I am not "rich" or of any "elite", I do not have any money in foreign banks, and my income tax declaration is absolutely puny compared to our "working-class" president's. I do not smoke eighty-dollar cigars, do not prepare barbecue in a R$100,000 grill, do not wear egyptian-cotton robes, do not drink wine that cost R$ 3000 a bottle... and, most importantly, do not seek to adquire Italian citizenship for my kids so they may have a "better life". Now that is a real working-class, patriotic prez there, isn't he?
Brazil has NEVER had mor corruption scandals...
written by bo, August 03, 2007
than during the Lula administration!


Thank god for the PT party! Aren't they the ones that always stated how they weren't corrupt?
BTW 2
written by brazilian dude, August 03, 2007
How the hell does this jerk who knows jacks**t about air traffic explain a transponder-less plane being let loose and flying with impunity? Where was traffic control? Does that mean we have NO RADAR COVERAGE? That ANY PLANE can just waltz in our airspace undetected and unchallenged so long as it turns its transponder off?
SO MAKE UP YOUR MIND, f**kFACE: Did the pilots really turn it off / not notice it was on and THEREFORE our airspace is a free-for-all and therefore we have NO air defense or traffic control;
or:
they did NOT have their transponder off and traffic control is so FUBAR that nobody noticed the collision course?
How exactly does ANY of these options exempt the government?
Our president DESERVES to be called Bin Lula!
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 03, 2007
Oh boy, here we go again... Blinkers on, everybody!


Dude, I couldn´t have been more forceful in rebutting this article! Is this guy for real? You spoke for many of us and thanks.
Pfuittttt.......
written by ch.c., August 04, 2007
.....who is this junkie called...... Luís Carlos de Oliveira ????
This is his second article....almost a copy of the first one.
Not much imagination. Was he fired from Jornal Terra Nostra....due to corruption practices ??????


Yesssss wether he likes it or not, many foreigners have been killed in Brazil, some tortured, one cut in pieces, and ten of thousands robbed, assaulted, highjacked in buses.
May be this idiot doesnt know that the USA have put a travel warning......for Brazil....just a few months ago !!!
Of course Americans and europeans who had troubled while in Brazil.....are certainly not going to make compliments.

And regarding my yesterday comments on Sex Tourism from Brazilians...not foreigners......were taken from articles published in THIS SITE !!!!!

Hey hey Dear Idiot, what has Brazil done against the hundreds of BRAZILIANS politicians, judges, businessmen, sportsmen having been involved.....in sex....WITH MINORS ??????

It all ended in a gigantic Pizza, just the same as your vote buying scandal ??????

If you truly are an objective, and knowledgable editor, please clarify...PRECISELY.
Luiz Carlos de Oliveira
written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
and, most importantly, do not seek to adquire Italian citizenship for my kids so they may have a "better life". Now that is a real working-class, patriotic prez there, isn't he?


Would you be kind enough to clarify why the First family has acquired Italian citizenship,if they are so confident of bringing better future to the "have nots" of this country?

How do you justify the obscene gestures made by M.A.Garcia and his ASPON to the Brazilian people and the families of the victims of the TAM 3504 tragedy?

What justification do you have for those 4 directors of ANAC being awarded medals even before the 3 day mourning period was over?

Come on, Luiz Carlos, we are waiting for the answers.
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written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
Was he fired from Jornal Terra Nostra....due to corruption practices ??????


He is the FORMER Chief Editor of Jornal Terra Nostra and is possible that he was fired.May be he is looking for a job as an ASPON of Franklin Martins.Who knows?
Just my 2 cents...
written by "Magnus Brasil", August 04, 2007
Why do you think the poor elected Lula? Lack of education. Around 85% of the south and southeast (except Rio) didn't vote for him. Do you think that there are no poor people in these two areas? Of course there are. They are not just used to the "Pai dos Pobres" populism mentality, as the rest of Brasil. Lula keeps his "Bolsa Família" and alikes so he can augment his "Curral", like a good ol' "Coronel", like ACM. Just a little more "Canhoto". Without this, the fooling the poors agenda would not be complete...
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
I have only seen sources indicating that the safety systems were switched off, if there are any sources that point a different direction then perhaps they can ne posted here for all to see.

Lula has certainly shown some bad judgement but overall, I don´t see where all the negativity towards him comes from when compared to what he inherited and the differences he has made to millions of the poorest in the country.

A presidential democracy is a lousy system and the corruption we see in Brazil is for the same reasons it exists in USA, just less organized (today US made another move to control some corruption by lobbyists)
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
Everyone in Brazil seems to want a second passport and the benefits are obvious...so why seek a sinister motive?

It would be great if politicians were all held to account for their actions...but they aren´t, not here, not Europe and certainly not in the USA.

Brazil is making great strides forward and when Lula moves on from the presidency Brazil will be in a better state than it was when he came in. When the old guard come back in we can only hope that they are not able to rebuild their successful corrupt infrastructure, they were just better at getting away with it than the current lot.
continued........for the junkie Carlos........
written by ch.c., August 04, 2007
....and please clarify if the brazilian politicians, judges, artists, sportsmen...HAVE A SPECIAL LICENCE DELIVERED BY LULA......giving them the right to have sex with minors ?
If not, why have they not been tried and did not go to jail......as every foreigner....recognized guilty for the same crime ??????

And what about your deaths squads composed mostly of police officers, killing hundreds of children yearly ?

And what about the slaves working in sugarcane fields ? Ohhhh your vice president Alencar even denied the existence of slaves, not so long ago. If you were the chief maid of Jornal Terra Nostra....tell us the truth....just for once !

and continuing on sex with minors......Dear Idiot Carlos.....why dont you keep inform yourself better...and read more articles.....from this site ?
Here is one......JUST FOR YOU :
18% of Brazil's 5000 Municipalities Offer Plenty of Sex Tourism
Written by Michèlle Canes
Friday, 13 January 2006
The non-governmental organization (NGO), World Vision, campaign to combat sexual tourism is based on data gathered by Professor Maria Lúcia Pinto Leal, of the Brasília University (UnB).
According to the researcher, of the 5 thousand plus Brazilian municipalities, 930 present great numbers of cases of sexual tourism. She says that the Northeast leads the rank, followed by the Southeast, South, Central West and North regions.

I just remind you that sexual tourisn is not necessarily with foreigners only. PLEASE RE-READ the articles I reffered in my yesterday comments !!!!!!!
It happens that most sex tourism in Brazil....is done by Brazilians.....not Foreigners !!!!!

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written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
Lula has certainly shown some bad judgement but overall, I don´t see where all the negativity towards him comes from when compared to what he inherited and the differences he has made to millions of the poorest in the country


According to him, he inherited the problem of Air Line the government that ruled the country 60 years ago.i.e 1947. He is yet to blame Pedro Cabral and it wouldnt be long before he does.

We would certainly be interested in knowing what difference he has made to the millions of the poorest in our country ,from your point of view. It is always refreshing to get the opinion of "Non Brazilians", like your good self.
To Brazilian Dude !
written by ch.c., August 04, 2007
What did you mean by ""The buck stops here" ????????

In the Brazilian politicians pockets ? But it does stop...right there !

-smilies/wink.gif)))))))))


Was this not what Lula criticized when he was a unionist and promised to change....if elected ?!
Just another promise made hundreds of times in many years ....but never delivered ! Reality being as you said.....much worse than before !
To:Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
Brazil is making great strides forward and when Lula moves on from the presidency Brazil will be in a better state than it was when he came in.


Do you really and honestly believe in the crap you are saying?

Everyone in Brazil seems to want a second passport and the benefits are obvious...so why seek a sinister motive?


So you approve of the first family seeking for the Italian citizenship? I just cant believe your justification. I wonder what the Americans will say,if George Bush and his family want to get the Citizenship of U.K. For God´s sake, wake up,man.
This just in
written by brazilian dude, August 04, 2007
From Ultimosegundo > http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/2007/08/03/ em_artigo_lula_apontou_crise_de_a233reas_em_2002_951542
.html

Ao contrário do que disse ontem a aliados, o presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva sabia, em 2002, da gravidade de problemas no setor da aviação civil. Em artigo publicado na "Gazeta Mercantil" no dia 7 de janeiro de 2002 - antes, portanto, da eleição presidencial que lhe daria o primeiro mandato -, Lula chegou a usar a expressão "estágio terminal" para descrever a situação das companhias aéreas.

"A crise da aviação brasileira, que vem se arrastando há muitos anos, atinge um estágio terminal, sem que se vislumbre uma solução no horizonte", escreveu Lula. O título do artigo é "Morte anunciada do transporte aéreo".

Ontem, na reunião do Conselho Político do governo, Lula disse que não sabia dos problemas no sistema aéreo e, como há cinco anos, usou a metáfora do câncer, para falar do setor. "Todo o sistema está com metástase, mas o paciente não sabia", disse aos aliados. "Em cinco eleições que disputei para a Presidência, o assunto não foi debatido."


Não foi bem assim. O presidente fez referência, no artigo, inclusive à Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac), órgão regulador que estava sendo criado pelo governo Fernando Henrique Cardoso. O artigo não trata dos problemas da infra-estrutura e da falta de segurança nos aeroportos - questões que estão em debate neste momento -, mas discute a quebradeira das companhias e a carga tributária no setor. Como solução para os problemas das empresas aéreas, o então candidato presidencial do PT prega isonomia tributária e financiamentos para elas.


Sempre que falam da atual crise no setor aéreo, o presidente e os ministros mais influentes do governo avaliam que a falência da Varig foi o começo do recente caos nos aeroportos. No artigo, Lula cita uma série de números, questiona a criação da Anac e faz um histórico do processo de estruturação do órgão, criticando o então presidente Fernando Henrique por vetar mudanças no projeto de estrutura do órgão regulador.
Ok, so now here we have nice solid evidence of the kind of slimy, weasely person mr Bin Lula is.
you will never know
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 04, 2007
was it not a US pilot that got a $26.000 fine for the same jester , or is it okay for a brasilian to offend his home land

lula will have to leave brasil when he is done or his life will me under guard and he will fear for his life for the rest of it .myself he is not worth the price of the bullet .

brasilian politicans point out some one in the crow and blame it on them , cover you ass , and dont say i am sorry
To:Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
lula will have to leave brasil when he is done or his life will me under guard and he will fear for his life for the rest of it


Stand bye to give him the asylum on your boat,Forrest smilies/grin.gif
This also just in
written by brazilian dude, August 04, 2007
Our prez has said he can't fire the directors of ANAC. Another slovenly lie from our sleazeball Bin Lula to duck his duties (not to mention HE PUT THEM THERE in the first place...)
from > http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/brasil/2007/08/03/ lula_pode_demitir_dire231227o_da_anac_diz_ministro_do_s
tf_951577.html

O presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva tem autoridade para demitir a direção da Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil (Anac) e das demais agências reguladoras se considerar necessário. A avaliação é do ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF), Eros Grau, que participou hoje do 1º seminário Justiça e Economia, cujo tema foi "Segurança e Desenvolvimento Econômico", na capital paulista.


Citando o artigo 84, inciso II, da Constituição Federal, o ministro explicou que as agências reguladoras são repartições públicas subordinadas à chefia da administração, que pertence à Presidência da República. "Os diretores das agências são meros subordinados do presidente da República. Ele pode, de acordo com a constituição, e deve, se necessário, demitir. Em suma, ele é o chefe da administração superior", afirmou. O artigo 84, incido 2, diz: "Compete ao presidente da República, exercer, com o auxílio dos ministros de Estado, a direção superior da administração federal".


De acordo com o ministro Eros Grau, a atual discussão sobre a possibilidade de demitir o presidente da Anac, Milton Zuanazzi, e o restante da diretoria agência "é perda de tempo". "Acho que está se perdendo muito tempo em discutir uma coisa que não merece esse tipo de discussão. É só ler a Constituição", finalizou. O seminário foi organizado pelo Centro de Estudos das Sociedades de Advogados (Cesa) e pelo Instituto Brasileiro de Ética Concorrencial (Etco).
Okay, so now what? Anything to say, Mr journalist? Or will you just pretend we're a bunch of idiots and believe that crap you wrote?
Hard to be in a country where the prez and his cronies have the ethics of an intestinal parasite, huh?
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written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
Okay, so now what? Anything to say, Mr journalist? Or will you just pretend we're a bunch of idiots and believe that crap you wrote?


A good question,Dude. We are all waiting for the answer from Mr.Journalist (I like the nickname you gave to him!)
A little info...
written by brazilian dude, August 04, 2007
Mr Bin Lula took as much time to react last time as this time, but concealed it. (there was no way to do that this time, with the accident being in São Paulo and therefore highly visible).
The plane's location was discovered on a friday. The guys from the BIS (Batalhão de Infantaria de Selva) got there saturday morning, and the emergency/healthcare infrastructure in Cuiabá was put on high alert that same morning. Every intensive-care unit and trauma/burn specialist, as well as the whole of the transport vehicles were primed and waiting.
By 14:00 hours everyone got the sobering message: stand down. No survivors. The military had done a thorough recon of the area and knew that all they'd find was bits and pieces.The order to bring out the refrigerated trucks was sent.
The government, however, put a lid on the whole thing, giving the oficial line of "we are still searching for possible survivors."
Bullsh-t. They were in panic and trying to figure out how to put a less damaging spin on things.The real news about no survivors was released only on tuesday, after they had already managed to figyre out the american pilots would make perfect scapegoats.
Three days.
Seems to be their pre-set response time...
I guess they just wanted some cover story that would hold until the elections. They didn't expect it to be as successful as it was, but all for the better...
This info has not been publicized yet, nor will it ever. They will deny they were aware of the dimensions of the disaster as early on as it was.
Scumbags.
Are you real?
written by PPLCF, August 04, 2007
Who are you? Are you real? Do you exist in quantum mechanics? I am not real... ahhh. You are kidding me? Are you rightist? Leftist? Middle nowhere? Uhh... FHC was better... better off. Sarney was better... better off. Colors was better... better off. Hmm, where am I... Dam... that's what I get after this quantum mind boggling thing. Ahh, whare was I in my trip.
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written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
Who are you? Are you real? Do you exist in quantum mechanics


I am nobody. WTF is Quantum Mechanics? You are soo clever and could u please explain what sort of disease is this?
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
yes i do see Brazil is in much better shape now than it was when i arrived and yes at least in the areas i work the lot of the poorest has improved.

in all areas that i work i see improvments and everyone who does business here can see it......if you don't agree then itemise the the areas that become worse

i guess you can't have an italian passport and so resents anyone else having one, too bad.

so if the resident ranters can calm their nerves long enough to back up their arguments they might even be taken seriously
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?......please share and with sources
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written by João da Silva, August 04, 2007
yes i do see Brazil is in much better shape now than it was when i arrived and yes at least in the areas i work the lot of the poorest has improved


When did you arrive? in 1500?
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?


According to Dr.Pires (our beloved ex minister of Defense and a great friend of your beloved Lula),the U.S. pilots are guilty like hell and to be tried for culpable homicide. Unless you personally intervene, they are to be jailed for at least 50 years.
Re:Luís Carlos de Oliveira
written by Doggy Daddy, August 04, 2007
Wake up and smell the coffee! Not a serious country and I suppose that.. it's.... "Shake and Bake and I helped" .What a dribble you write and you really believe that us from the first and real world should even give you 1 minute of our attentions? The real Buck in Brazil stops and drops in the pocket of??? One guess folks and one for the gipper and Sr Bin L
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written by bo, August 04, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-03 23:07:34
no comment yet from those with information that the US pilots are innocent?......please share and with sources


LOL...Luis, you're either joking or the stupidest son-of-a-bitch on the internet.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
and still the ranters do what they do best, rant, all talk and no substance.

Time for you boys to put some thought into your commentary, back up what you say with verifiable references or accept that you really don´t have anything valuable to say.
OH Man!
written by Nick, August 04, 2007
I would like to know what proof there is about pilots turning off the transponder. It has been reported that is was malfunctioning and was not likely turned off. If it was equipment failure then the manufacturer is to blame. But NOOOOOOO, Brazil was first to fire off accusations that it was the pilots of the private jet that caused the accident. They never waited for a full investigation to be completed. So lets not only blame the internet reporters for this mishandling and reporting of this tragic incident.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
Okay, what is the source for your assertion that the equipment malfunctioned and was not switched off?

If ALL the communication systems failed at the same time (ha ha), then it was incumbent on the pilot to stay away from known flightpaths and land safely.

Nick, I have no problem acknowledging that all facts may not be known, and as such the claims above are mere bluster and as the original poster says, Brazil bashing. I have no problem with Brazil bashing where it is justified but we should let a little common sense cloud our judgement

point of order
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 04, 2007
US piloits were kept apart for the first 4 days so there stories were from there own minds .
While the brasilian ATC were all togeather and never even talked to (medical reasons ) all have the same illiness
called cover up & blame the other guy .

the court cases filed in New York by 11 brasilian laywers lay claim to total fault to the US pilots , and that there would be no need for any of the brasilian ACT to come up and
testafi on there behalf as they all have sign statements under aoth and that will be good enough .
US Judge says no and ACT must appere in court in the US to be questioned in court .
there has even been 4 persons open a case that were just there to recover the bodies and said ti was so bad they cant work any more and have bad dreams .
two others have been filed by persons just looking at pic on the internet

too have planes on the same flight path going the same way is okay but to call for 2 planes going at each other should be separted by 10.000 ft of air space at least
not to maintane air comunation from surface to air very bad idea
here is where the main case comes into play
no radar , as closeing at speed booth planes dont see each other , the ACT think what they see is ground reflection of the same plane
little to no ground to air or air to ground comunaction at this point .
on question from ground ACT about another plane in same flight vector
the beacon on or off at this point does not even come into play as the aircraft are just to close
as we all know now the radar curtin over the amazon if not so grate .
the raido towers are not working or not there .
most air traffic from SP and RIO fly along the coast of the east or west coast as that is where the
main flight paths are
there is a very large gap in aircraft radar and raido that runs from coulmbia over to peru and down to about sao lousi
and there is no plans to fix it by the brasilian goverment .
same as the runway at SP
they can see what needs to be done but are more into how much money can i make out of this .

if the was the airport in brazilia it would be done yesterday
but sence it is only people of brasil and a few tourtist no big deal

it does not hurt me or my family no big deal .

as long as the people get there box of dry goods we did good
as long as the lula houses are built in out of the way places with no running water and indoor plumbing
not my family no big deal .
get just enough done to make the party look good to the poor and stupid and we will be incharge
another 8 years .

NO SO MUCH UNLIKE THE US GOVERMENT

the party is more important than the people
the goverment is more important than the country
we are the new kings and the court
the rest will do our bidding
our work and pay the taxes that we spend on ourselves
and if we need more money we will print it and rase taxes to cover it
we can piss off other countries and place the blame on the people
and spin it to make our people hate them and not us
Brazil in better shape?
written by nesnej, August 04, 2007
The fact is Lula lucked into a situation whereby commodity prices have remained high and Brazil has gone through an augmentation in agricultural efficiency. This has allowed Lula to increase government spending while not making the needed reforms for lasting longterm success. Yes the lot of the poor has improved under the Lula administration, but not BECAUSE of his administration. Many of the programs for the poor were already started under FHC, these programs take time to work. The frustration with Lula is in the fact that Brazil could be doing so much better, but Lula is content to placate his constituency and let the country run itself.
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
You are clearly not starting or running a business in Brazil:

When I arrived in Brazil the World Bank stated it took more than 300 days to open a company, now it takes weeks.

Trademarks took 5 years to be even looked at, now the time can be as low as 1 year at the rate they are going.

Efficiency of collection of taxes for services has been improved dramatically - this is good for everyone and has reduced payments into the black/grey economy - if this can be extended into product invoices to make the system more efficient the number of and % of taxes may possibly be reduced - why? because it is so f¨%&*ing complicated.

Everything I do in terms of dealing with State and Federal departments has become at least less difficult, particularly in relation to exports and while I still have problems with imports, the situation is more manageable and I have never had to pay anyone facilitate the entry despite hearing all the stories of how it used to be.

Online government services in Brazil are in my opinion are improving monthly, online banking is the best I have ever encountered.

If any of you had tried to make a change to your contrato social 7 years ago you would have contemplated suicide or used a despachante, now, it is a straightforward and far far quicker, sometimes days not the months it used to be.

Many of the overall costs of production are going down, just labour seems to go up all the time. Yes there have been new taxes but I am glad to see that it is getting harder to avoid them, levels the playing field. It has been a while since anyone asked how I wanted to pay, you know what I mean.

I am not a defender of the difficulty of doing business in Brazil but I will defend from my own experience the amazing changes that have taken place during the last few years.

I don´t know if these had anything to do with Lula and in my opinion it should not have anything to do with a president, as i said, a presidential democracy is a stupid idea, the idea of electing someone to such an important political and economic role because of their personality is just ridiculous....what next? an actor? the retarded son of a previous president or worse (yes there could be worse).
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written by non Brazilian, August 04, 2007
I have heard the transcripts of the attempts to contact the jet, is there an explanation for that?

lets face it, foreigners have a very cavalier attitude to Brazil, no pilot would dream of turning off his equipment flying over the Grand Canyon, so why would he do it in Brazil?

more than 300 days to open a company, now it takes weeks. !!!!!!
written by ch.c., August 04, 2007
....Weeeks ????
Months.......... is more aprropriate.

Just refer to the ranking of the report "doing business".
Brazil rank ? 122 out of 175 !!!!!!

And opening a company needs....180 days....on average !

Elsewhere ....from a few weeks to a few days....even in developing countries !

Please review your sources.
Open a bus. in 7 days?
written by nesnej, August 04, 2007
Not in one state in Brazil can you open a business in 7 days. A survey just came out stating this last week, I believe it was in the JB. Are you sure I am CLEARLY not running a business in Brazil? Yes services have improved and become more transparent, but thanks to the internet and mass media they have improved everywhere in the world. The fact remains, and you should be sure about this, that the current administration is happy to ride out its presidency without making the long term reforms for Brazil to remain competitive in the future. If you are running a business in Brazil, especially one that has to deal with import and export then you should know that.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
i said weeks to open a company, not 7 days....try again
non brasilian
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 05, 2007
remindes me of flying with my uncle into germany many years ago like 40

he was calling to the tower and trying to understand the bad english of the ACT
soon the german ask have you ever flown into germany before and my uncle told him yes
it was 1945 and he did not land .
at that point the german sak wht should he have to speak english when he was in germany
and my uncles copolit
said you lost the war

for thoes of you that know me my dog zues died last night of old age
i will miss him as there will never be another

ZUES dec 1991---aug 2007

23 states
47 countries

6 feamale
4 male
puppies all dead now
but some of his grand dogs are out there
in texas

yall have a good evening
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written by Lucas R., August 05, 2007
I feel sorry for your ole buddy zues. 47 countries. what a friend.
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written by bo, August 05, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-04 08:52:20
and still the ranters do what they do best, rant, all talk and no substance.

Time for you boys to put some thought into your commentary, back up what you say with verifiable references or accept that you really don´t have anything valuable to say.



Your the jackass that wrote the article Abe. Why do you always ask for references but never give any yourself?
This guy is on drugs or needs to be
written by Shelly, August 05, 2007
Are you a junkie??? Luis Carlos De Oliveira, you are a crazy son of a gun! Go back to your cave, think again and see if you come up with a decent news line...be serious though.
NON BRAZILIAN
written by Ze da Culatra, August 05, 2007
Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian". Ignore this a*****e please.
Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
for thoes of you that know me my dog zues died last night of old age
i will miss him as there will never be another

ZUES dec 1991---aug 2007


Forrest, please do accept my sincere condolences for the demise of your dog Zues. As the old proverb says, a dog is the best friend of a man. I am sure you will mis Zues. I had a couple of dogs too and they didnt live for 16 years as Zues did. The first for 3 years and the second for 5 years. Then I decided not to have one,because one gets too attached to the dogs.btw, I dont like cats and the good ole dogs used to keep me away from them.

I am glad that ZUES left his kith and kin in ole Texas.

I am sure you will recover from your loss soon. Take care.
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written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian".


Sorry, "A Brazilian" is an authentic Brazilian who is well read and knowledgeable. On the contrary, Non Brazilian is an Italian, who is quite ill informed and in Brazil playing the role of a "Gostosão".

Just pay attention to the posts by "A Brazilian" and "Non Brazilian". You will discover the difference.
non brazilian...
written by brazilian dude, August 05, 2007
The point about the transponder is moot. repeating:"How the hell does this jerk who knows jacks**t about air traffic explain a transponder-less plane being let loose and flying with impunity? Where was traffic control? Does that mean we have NO RADAR COVERAGE? That ANY PLANE can just waltz in our airspace undetected and unchallenged so long as it turns its transponder off?
SO MAKE UP YOUR MIND, F*CKFACE: Did the pilots really turn it off / not notice it was off and THEREFORE our airspace is a free-for-all and therefore we have NO air defense or traffic control;
or:
they did NOT have their transponder off and traffic control is so FUBAR that nobody noticed the collision course? "
The point is about controling and monitoring. Either it happens or it doesen't. That shows what kind of investment and professionalism exist in ATC.
As for mr Bin Lula's improvements: he has, very smartly, concentrated on measures that are visible and popular, such as cutting paperwork and giving alms to the poor, but at the cost of leaving the infrastructure to its own ends - to rot, in other words.He also managed to inflate the government by creating thousands of "cargos de confiança" to be occupied by cronies and supporters.That has the purpose of ransacking the public funds for all they're worth (check the numbers on both of these matters.You will see roads, ports, agricultural support and planning,airports, hospitals and energy generation have deteriorated since has came to power).In other words, he is gaining short-term popularity at the cost of the country's future (like Chavez). The only factors that have made this possible are the extraordinary international context of prosperity we live in, and which has dragged Brazil along with it, albeit at a much slower pace than other countries(again, check the numbers). Also, I suggest you do a background check on Mr Journalist, who has quite an interesting history.
This government has a lot of info it keeps under wraps... a lot of skeletons in its closet. Some era from the time Bin Lula was a syndicate leader at ABC... He was taped on some of the meetings with Volkswagen bosses in which he took kickcbacks to end strikes...
(sorry, but THAT one you won't be able to verify, it's buried too deep. The timeline of the Gol accident, however, is easy to check on.Too many people involved to keep it strictly need-to-know).
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written by bo, August 05, 2007
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written by João da Silva, 2007-08-05 00:14:43

Non Brazilian is the same person who previously posted as "A Brazilian".



Sorry, "A Brazilian" is an authentic Brazilian who is well read and knowledgeable.


Well João, there have been more than one poster posting under the name of A brazilian over the last year, that is unquestionable. And although I agree with A brazilian II's stance on the middle class and many groups such as the MST wanting the gov't. to just give them things for free, and that's certainly not the right way to advance as a country, imo, I've also seen him tell outright LIES, time after time, and not only that, but we all seen him chase intelligent, legitimate posters from this site by calling them terrible names. Here is a perfect example of a statement that we've seen from Abe Razillion.

"Brazil is not a racist country you n-i-g-g-e-r!"
One Thing
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
One thing I can tell you. Not one experienced pilot, whether national or foreign, buys the idea that the Legacy pilots purposely turned off the transponder. Is there even one IFR rated pilot out there who will disagree with me? If so, check in.

In the context of a pilot flying for hire, with his boss paying the user fees, on an international IFR flight in positive control, or in the rarified upper levels where all the rules change and constant contact is required, turning off the transponder on purpose is impossible.

None of those who came up with this idea and keep repeating it are pilots. To pilots they appear to be fools.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
interesting, all the people who disagree with the resident ranters must be the same person using several names. i have never posted as `brazilian`.

so is there any chance you boys can calm yourselves down enough to discuss the topic? or are you just having too much fun avoiding it?
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
the accident happened, commnication was not possible with the jet. those are the base facts.....squirm how you will these two facts won't change. if the blame lies with the pilot personally (switched off equipment) or the jet being flown with faulty equipment does not absolve the pilot from responsibility.

all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
round we go in a circle, it can't be shown that business conditions became worse in the last 5 years so the ranters resort to a dance around the topic. so what if lula is not responsible for the improvements in the economy? there are improvements, lots of them.

perhaps you would like to explain how much better for example the US is doing?

Common Thing
written by Simpleton, August 05, 2007
Ric, I hope you are clearly understood. No doubt you will be picked on for word choices. Turning it OFF purposefully IS possible (not impossible as you say). That was the first guilty verdict issued before the content of the black boxes were even examined. Unfortunately the black boxes didn't mysteriously disappear so the crew could be guilty of playing games with their new toy out of the sight and control of the ATC with respect to ALTITUDE (i.e. the controllers can see WHERE they are but not what height they are at doing climbs, dives, pirrouettes without the transponder ON or when they are outside the ground based surveilliance coverage zones - which, in Brazil are naturally huge and will always be til there's an international airport every hundred or so miles covering the whole place - the AG boys, lumber cutters, cane collectors and shrimp brooders will build them if you make them to pay ).
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?


As I mentioned before, Dr.Waldir Pires, our ex Minister of Defense has already ruled that the American pilots are guilty as hell.In Dr.Pires, we trust and all that the government has to do is extradite those two,try them and sentence to at least 50 years prison.btw, one of the Pilots is an Italian immigrant and a naturlaized citizen of U.S. The other is the son of an Argentine father and Spanish mother. As I said before, unless you intervene personally, these two are about to rot in a Brazilian jail. Use your influence with the Brazilian government and dont sit there just asking our opinion,which doesnt count.
Forrest
written by Shelly, August 05, 2007
My deepest condolences. I know what is like to loose a pet, it is horrible thing. I have lost two cats-one died of kidney failure and the other cancer. We brought them over from the UK and they were friends with my 2 American dogs.
Impossible
written by Ric, August 05, 2007
In the sense of what we know and have observed in the system, not impossible in a technical sense. Still waiting for one experienced pilot to say that he or she believes that the crew switched it off in Positive Controlled airspace.
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written by non Brazilian, August 05, 2007
Joao, you make zero sense, give it up.

the pilots are in usa, they are very unlikely to ever face a trial in brazil and if convicted in a us court are unlikely to face jail and there is zero chance they would be returned to brazil
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written by Michael William, August 05, 2007
It is widely known in the global commercial aviation industry that Brazilian air traffic control is inadequate - inadquate at best. A more apt description would be utterly dysfunctional. The Brazilian controllers themselves point out this fact on a regular basis as evidenced by the recurring strikes attempting to draw attention to the situation. The sad truth behind the Gol/Legacy disaster is that the Brazilian government was grossly negligent yet tried to criminalize everyone else. Simply stated, Brazilian air traffic has grown at a faster pace than its infrastructure. Unless the Brazilian government invests major resources to reform the air traffic control system and upgrade infrastructure, more catastrophies will occur. It will only take a few more of these disasters, and maybe another PCC uprising or two, before a good part of Brazil's foreign capital inflow starts to dry up.



Michael William
written by João da Silva, August 05, 2007
It will only take a few more of these disasters, and maybe another PCC uprising or two, before a good part of Brazil's foreign capital inflow starts to dry up.


It is too bloody true and I agree with you. For the record: Let the doubting Thomases not put the blame on us for not warning them! If one goes through Today´s news about which airports the government wants to invest 350 Million Reais, he will understand our warning.
non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
Joao, you make zero sense, give it up.


Sure,I give up. It is difficult to put sense in some idiot that doesnt take time to read all the material regarding the Gol accident or the subsequent f**kups by the authorities.Easier to brain pick on other people.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
I have lost two cats-one died of kidney failure and the other cancer. We brought them over from the UK


Sorry about your cats,though I cant stand them. Were your cats required to get visas to go into U.S.?

Good that you have American dogs. I have an American dog friend in Chicago. A great pal of mine and I am not kidding. But I think that he is about to go too,like ZUES.In general, the dogs are not "Traiçoeiros". I like them.
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written by non Brazilian, August 06, 2007
Joao- Brainpick? in your case that would be difficult but by all means continue to cover your ignorence with bluster and expletives.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-05 12:18:17
the accident happened, commnication was not possible with the jet. those are the base facts.....squirm how you will these two facts won't change. if the blame lies with the pilot personally (switched off equipment) or the jet being flown with faulty equipment does not absolve the pilot from responsibility.

all the rest is to divert from the truth, but why? who are the ranters that must defend the pilot despite the evidence to the contrary?



Hey jackass, you haven't followed ONE THING in this incident. Do you realize how ignorant you sound? There are umpteen million facts and testimonies that you have either 1. Not read nor are aware of, or 2. Simply ignorant.

Let me give you just a few factual occurrrences that have transpired over the last 11 months.

1. Are you aware that a Brazilian Air Force seargent who was working in the control tower the day of the accident has already testified in front of the Brazilian senate that THE DAY of the accident they were aware that the radar was not working in the area where the accident occurred and that it was probable that the ATC system would not be picking up transponder signals and the possibility of no communication!

2.Are you also aware that the air traffic controllers in Brasilia were also aware that the Legacy's transponder was NOT functioning for 50 minutes BEFORE the accident and DID NOT attempt to communicate this to them yet it IS their responsibility to do so! That's right! It is NOT the responsibility of a pilot to make certain his transponder is working, it is the responsibility of air traffic control to alert a plane's pilots that his transponder is not working....and that was never done NOR attempted!

3. Any idiot that would still attempt to put blame on the american pilots after the facts and testimonies(by brazilian air traffic controllers, pilots, etc) given over the last 11 months truly has a human psyche that needs to be studied! How someone could still today refute the hundreds of facts and testimonies given, which ALL coincide to indict and place blame at the feet of the Brazilian air traffic controllers as well as the Brazilian air traffic control system itself, is truly impressive!

Non brazilian, think someone here mentioned your from Italy?? If so, you need to just stick to picking up the underage black prostitutes in Salvador and leave the analytical thinking to us big boys. smilies/wink.gif
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written by A brazilian, August 06, 2007
Bo, are you the owner of this site? How can you affirm there was more than one "A Brazilian" last year?
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written by non Brazilian, August 06, 2007
bo - so being italian in your dark world is to be a paedofile? and why emphasise that the 'prostitutes' are black? You reveal so much more about your own sick mind than you can ever say about me.

please explain the transcripts of attempted communication with the jet.

unlike you it seems, i have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the cause of the incident or the necessary trial of the culprits whoever they may be, so what is your interest? please tell us before your veins burst with infantile rage.
Is Bo a damm mercenary ??
written by Lucas R., August 06, 2007
Bo is probably being paid by Jo Sharkey and by Excel Air the company owner of the legacy jet to spread lies.
There is a lot of interest going on here: Joe Sharkey may be prosecuted for false testimony and for hiding evidences of the accident while the company may have to pay for all the victms. Millions of dollars here. Why don't pay a 20 bucks a week to this miserable idiot to do what he is doing ??
Besides, who in this globe will listen to Joe Sharkey and maybe even to NYTimes after this episode comes to the light??
Still Waiting
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
Your comments demonstrate that invective is all you have left, blathering the Same Old Stuff intead of actually answering Bo.

Still waiting for one experienced pilot, like at least commercial with a MEL, to say that he or she believes that the Legacy pilots purposely turned off the Xponder.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by A brazilian, 2007-08-06 10:30:46
Bo, are you the owner of this site? How can you affirm there was more than one "A Brazilian" last year?



It wasn't real difficult Abe. A Brazilian I couldn't put two congruent sentences together as well as his spelling and syntax were terrible. Then A Brazilian II would come along and write nearly perfect english.


Didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out.
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
Joao- Brainpick? in your case that would be difficult


Thanks for confirming what I suspected about my "Brain Power" which of course would never come down to that of your level.

unlike you it seems, i have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the cause of the incident or the necessary trial of the culprits whoever they may be, so what is your interest?


If you have no interest in the outcome of the enquiry into the accident of Gol 1907, why ask so many questions to the "Resident Ranters", when you can easily read all the articles written in this news magazine or the ones written in the National Newspapers in Brazil (of course, you probably dont know to Portuguese) or readin Joe Sharkey´s blog (which does translate the news from papers like Folha).

Any way, please do tell me what is your interest in this issue,before your pile bursts.
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written by bo, August 06, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-06 11:29:23
bo - so being italian in your dark world is to be a paedofile? and why emphasise that the 'prostitutes' are black? You reveal so much more about your own sick mind than you can ever say about me.



No, not in my world, in my reality. You see, I spend a lot of time in Salvador, and 98% of the time I see some greasy italian he's with a black 15 year old prostitute!

Believe me, they've been in the paper in Salvador, as well as in my city, consistantly, for having sex with minors!!
Yeah Lucas...
written by bo, August 06, 2007
me and the other umpteen million foreigners that have been to Brazil and don't only blow sunshine up peoples asses about the brazilian reality.......we're all mercaneries! smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by non Brazilian, August 06, 2007
Ric - all the pilots are busy this week, you know how it is, but next week, when they get back, I´m sure they will be heartbroken to have missed the chance to help you out.

Bo - sorry about the invective, I hope it heals.
a non brazilian
written by nesnej, August 06, 2007
Is non Brazilian really an Eye-Tie? I´ve yet to meet one who could speak or write English as well as he can. Or is he an Eye-Tie American who likes to brag about his roots. Those guys are always funny. BADABING!!!!
Still Waiting
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
Don´t want no heartbroken pilots. Want them to be happy. Out there punching holes in the IFR.

Spose it don´t matter to anybody like the guy that wrote this article that the flight data recorder from the Legacy affirmed conclusively that "no abnormal maneuvers" were performed by the Legacy at any time prior to the crash. They were at FL370 on airway UZ6 at a "steady speed" when aprox. 460 nm NNW of BRS, they collided with the GOL. Said the flight recorder report.

Since they were straight and level, in normal flight, at no time deviating from that, what would be the motive in turning off the xponder, which is dangerous, poor procedure, and could result in getting cited or worse? For what?

But to someone afflicted with terminal xenophobia, facts like these mean nothing. Feelings come first, facts last.
transponder
written by nesnej, August 06, 2007
My guess is they turned it off to save electricy.... smilies/smiley.gif
nesnej
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
My guess is they turned it off to save electricy.


That was a good one. btw, dont be too nasty to Eye-Ties.They are not too bad blokes,though they dont speak English as well as we Brazilians smilies/grin.gif
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 06, 2007
Since they were straight and level, in normal flight, at no time deviating from that, what would be the motive in turning off the xponder, which is dangerous, poor procedure, and could result in getting cited or worse? For what?


Ric, I dont know if you remember the first interview that Brig.Pereira of INFRAERO gave on the TV, when his boss suggested that the pilots could have turned off the Transponder. His answer was "Only the Drug smuggling pilots would do it". Pereira is a good man and ever since he was appointed as the President of INFRAERO, his hands were tied to make any decision.He really inherited the problems from Carlos Wilson. He has sharp tongue and so what? He might have lost his job,but still will maintain his dignity.

btw, you can wait for eternity for a response from "Non Brazilian".You are more patient than I am. He is another leftist whinerand a Brazilian hater. A real "gostosão".
User Fees
written by Ric, August 06, 2007
Pilots flying visual at the lower levels are supposed to check in by radio at certain points when within radio range but often do not do so nor turn on their transponders in order to avoid paying the Infraero for the privilege of talking to them. It´s not really a safety issue since the avoidance method is "see and avoid" anyway, and there is very little that the guy on the ground can do for you in case of an emergency. Frowned on, though.

Flying on an instrument flight plan is an altogether different matter, whether low or high.

Brazil has user fees as does most of Europe and elements in the US congress are trying to get the US to adopt them as well.

Not talking about Brazil so much, but thinking worldwide, try to imagine what totalitarian or deeply socialistic governments must think about the possibility of having many private citizens crisscrossing the country with total impunity in their own aircraft. It would drive them nuts. In the states one can fly a small plane with no radio all around the country and never land at an airport with a tower or even a unicom radio. Never have anyone asked for any documentation. Never be subject to a ramp check.

Maybe to avoid that, Europe basically killed private aviation with fees.
Your all nuts
written by GTY, August 07, 2007
The Brazilian ATC is a bunch of the same drunk incompetent civil servants running Banco do Brazil, the Federal Police, Bolsa Escola...need I say more. Brazil and Brazilians are so quick to point fingers at everyone else, it is there way of defending the indefensilbe and not having the ability, or worse yet, the balls to fix Brazil's problems.

The inital article itself is for all of us to get over the fact that Lula won re-election. Yeah...OK, so what and now what. More incompetence from an ignorant and uneducated man that the ignorant and uneducated Brazilians voted in droves for. Are you proud of that? Educated Brazilians shoul be sickened by it. I at least have the balls to say I voted for Bush twice and am disappointed and ashamed that I did. So are the majority of American's. We won't make the same mistake a third time, that's for sure. But Brazil will make the same mistake time after time after time...it's pathetic, but its your history. Brazil is a s**thole...but a wonderful place, I know that makes no sense, but I will enjoy here in about a month, floating down the Amazon, catching huge Peac**k bass and enjoying the company of some young and very naive Brazilian girls. My wife has said it a million times, Brazil is Brazil...don't ever expect it to change. We enjoy the good and are fortunate that we can ignore the bad.
think
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 07, 2007
broke is broke

ded is ded

we can talk about the fault of this all week but it goes back to the brasilian goverment puting money in its pockets instead of where it needs to go

they have been taking lesson from the congress of the US in theis matter

the new kings and queens
live very well and we pay with our lives

and anwser me this
if one was to marry a 15 year old woulde he be a child m******r or a husban of a young woman

or is it just the money that makes it rong
as i have seen many brasilian men in there late 20 too mid 30 mary 15 year old girls in brasil

so here do you qraw the line
money , age , race , creed ,
i am at a loss on this one
GTY
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
Your all nuts


Holy s**t,you still alive and kicking? When we all needed ya, you were hiding under some one´s skirt!.

How are you in your new enviornment? I hear tha CA is very hot and hope you are not getting your ass burnt.

Ah, it seems that your favorite place "Clube Bahamas" is going to be imploded. You better visit it before that.

Good to hear from ya.You take care.
Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
i am at a loss on this one


Not you,old coot!. btw,our friend GTY was not eaten by the sharks.Still alive and kicking.Keep posting.
GTY
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
Ole Forrest says that there is another alternative for ya, when Clube Bahamas is imploded. I believe there is a Clube American at Congonhas. Have you been there? You better check it out with our Sailor friend.
A Naive and Inexperienced American Teen
written by Ric, August 07, 2007
Came to Manaus last week on TAM from Miami. She had a video camera and 200 dollars in one of her suitcases. Her suitcases did not show up on the baggage deliverer. TAM said that they came in the next day, and sent them over to the place where she was staying. The camera and the money were missing.

The only people that actually Xray the baggage are the fiscais, right? It´s impossible to prove anything, but I think I know who did it.

And I think you probably do, too.
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
And I think you probably do, too.


Sure we do .Disgusting that we have come down to this level.
Clube Bahamas Imploding???
written by GTY, August 07, 2007
Holy s**t...What is it all coming (pun intended) to? I would try and get down there quickly, but alas, my new work responsibilites do not include Brazil, more chance of chasing tail in Shanghai or Tokyo now, so it will be only to Brazil for pleasure once or twice a year and I don't think my beautiful brown Carioca wife would understand my need to visit one last time, a tear or two will be shed Gilligan, o few by me and a few by the girls who will miss my big dick. I also appreciate Forest's recommendation for Congonhas, but there are to many f**ked up ill trainied TAM pilots crusing in there every 15 minutes or so. Don't want to be to close when the next one can't figure out the flaps.

We are about half settled in, the weather is spectacular, nothing like Florida. My college boy put it into perspective when asked by a friend how he liked Northern California when compared to Florida, he said "it feels like we just moved back to the the United States", very good analogy to be honest.

Spent the weekend rafting is Sqaw Valley and biking in Napa. I didn't see one friggen Brazilian! I'm not saying that is good or bad, I didn't have to feed 40 people like I did every weekend in Florida, but I do miss looking at the asses of my wifes' friends around the pool. But fear not, we have a 5 bedroom house in the Silicon Valley and one of her hottest friends is coming for a couple of weeks to help my wife "settle" in. I hope with enough good wine I can get a repeat of my birthday present, my wife seemed to enjoy it.

The boat is at Halfmoon Bay, I have hired a local charter boat capitan with a very good rep**ation to come out and show me all the good spots. going out for three days in a row starting on Monday next week, the Albacore (tuna) are running. I think on a good day (not many in San Francisco) I might be able to chase some tail on here around Marin on Montery and I don't mean fish. I'll try checking in once in a while, give my best to the Professor, the Skipper and Bo. Say f**k off to the Brazilian and AES. You guys are keeping it going, good for you.
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written by bo, August 07, 2007
A Naive and Inexperienced American Teen
written by Ric, 2007-08-06 21:49:41
Came to Manaus last week on TAM from Miami. She had a video camera and 200 dollars in one of her suitcases. Her suitcases did not show up on the baggage deliverer. TAM said that they came in the next day, and sent them over to the place where she was staying. The camera and the money were missing.

The only people that actually Xray the baggage are the fiscais, right? It´s impossible to prove anything, but I think I know who did it.

And I think you probably do, too.



Belive it or not this same situation happened to me on my flight to brazil when I came here to live. Had 15K in cash and my ex's engagement ring(which cost me 5K) in a small wooden combination safe inside my luggage. The only people that saw inside via X-ray was the fiscais in Rio. While examining my luggage the agent told me I could get my bags at the airline check-in counter. When I got there the locks had been removed and they put those platic tie locks on them. I didn't open up my bags until I got to my destination. They broke the wooden safe, took the contents. That was my "Bem Vindo aõ Brasil"!
idiot Luís Carlos de Oliveira
written by Joseph, August 07, 2007
Who is this idiot Luís Carlos de Oliveira? His views are offensive to those who believe we have a right to have an informed opinion of a government that does nothing but talk....He is entitled to be a die hard Loser, I mean Lilist, but we are not part of an elite with a conspiracy against Lula, we are for the most part just normal humans with a brain and eyes....(and nose for the smell that is volited from Brasilia)
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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
Joao - you refer to me as Brazilian hater? on what do you base that on? As for whining or leftist tendencies, where do you see that? I can understand that you are unhappy with me, I insulted the size of your brain but that was humor. What else did I say that has upset you so much? I really am upset about that.
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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
so now the pilots were flying at low levels and not in the commercial flightpaths? a little consistency please.

Now boys, don´t pop a blood vessel, just try and dazzle us with your intelligence (not directed to Joao, it would be unfair)
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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
why does Brazilian crime get more attention, is the rate higher or is it something else like the type of crime?

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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
it is correct that people criticize those that represent them, thats democracy, but why do some people get away with terrible acts against a country and people while others are vilified for much less?
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
Joao - you refer to me as Brazilian hater? on what do you base that on? As for whining or leftist tendencies, where do you see that? I can understand that you are unhappy with me, I insulted the size of your brain but that was humor. What else did I say that has upset you so much


I really didnt get insulted by your questioning about the size of my brain,but was just surprised at your naivette regarding the reality of our country. Especially for a person who has been doing business here and not keeping track of the choatic condtions of the Air Travel,by reading the newspapers (or for that matter in many other areas).If you really paid attention the comments of the "Brazilian Dude",Shelly and myself (Brazilians), you would have perceived that we are all questioning the blame game involved wrt the Gol 1907 accident. Of course the Americans like Bo,Ric & other foreigners you came to know in this thread can be blamed for defending the U.S. pilots. But NOT us. We have flown our air space several times and our Air Lines and felt safe and comfortable.Rational thinking folks like us would have liked to WAIT until the final report comes out and to judge whos error really it was. However, the whole acident was politicized and Waldir Pires came out blaming the Legacy Pilots for doing stunt manoeuvres.Then came the PF,Policia Civil and the CPI .Up to then our Air Force was the only one responsible for investigating the accidents and we the right thinking Brazilians were surprised that it became a political issue (ANAC folks are incapable of finding the difference between their A.Hole and a hole on the ground). After that accident, we got to see more of the "Palhaçadas",knowing fully well that there was going to be another tragedy and it DID happen (btw, someone I knew a long time ago was among the vitims of this recent tragedy).

I am pissed off at the blame game the politicos are playing without any respect for over 35o people who lost their lives because of the indifference of the government and greed of the Air Line companies. Then comes this Luis Carlos Oliveira with his shallow article and he was really questioning the brain capacity of un gullible Brazilians !

Sorry, Non Brazilian, I really didnt mean to offend you.But remember there are millions of Brazilians who are not gullible and are intelligent too.

btw, hope you take care of your investment in Brazil,pay taxes and demand something in return from the Federal,State and the Municipal governments.

You take care and all the best
Non - Brazilian
written by brazilian dude, August 07, 2007
Very well, sir, let's get down to brass tacks. First, do read my previous comments, and you will see I specify some (some?!) areas in which we are worse. Second, the info about the Gol accident timeline is easy to verify, and what I wrote I did not get from hearsay. I WAS THERE. smilies/sad.gif
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 07, 2007
I WAS THERE


Now Dude, do you want us to use the famous electrified and heated pliers to pull out your nails one by one or resort to the old fashioned "pau de arara". It is your choice and you better come out clean (unless you are one of the executives of EMBRAER on board that Legacy Flight) and tell us all about it.

btw, this new gadget of yours:Have you patented the stuff ( I mean the e & h pliers). Are you getting it made in PRC? I see you have lots of things to hide!!!!
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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
Joao - i understand perfectly that Brazilians want change and congratulate you on that but what can you do about it? Blaming Lula is not going to make a difference, he may have been able to make more of a positive difference but the problems of Brazil are not new and to expect one man to solve everything confined by a presidential democracy is overly optimistic, as it is, he has not done the damage that was promised by those who objected to him being president. During the last few years corruption has been brought more into the open which looks bad but I hope will have a longer lasting effect on all who received illegal payments and perhaps even more so, those who use illegal payments. Its probably just my opinion that it is the one paying the $$ who causes the problem. It amazes me how many foreigners arrive here assuming they must pay to get something done and worse assume that their cash dollars will solve all their problems, not very often these days.

The assumption is that corruption is a Brazilian problem, well it is not, it is a global problem and no less so in USA or Europe; just that they may be better at getting away with it. Try doing a search for the word whistleblower and get a taste of the problem, even FIFA is corrupt.

I don´t expect you to agree with me but I believe Brazilians want the big changes but not the small ones. As Brazil is my home not my origin, I want the small changes that will make my life better. I understand why you want the big changes but it won´t stick if the small day to day injustices are ignored.

It seems everyone in Brazil believes the world is so much better everywhere else...anywhere else, it isn´t. On this board or anywhere else on the net we are not going to meet the poor of US or Europe, those who live on the streets in the richest countries or are just plain unemployed and poor. If you haven´t seen it already, see Sicko. Check the levels of crime in the big southern cities in USA. Levels of adolescent violence in UK.

Brazil is far from perfect, but where is paradise? I actually like it here.
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written by non Brazilian, August 07, 2007
Dude, you were there? where?
Non Brasilian
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
Thanks,mate for your reply and I do appreciate it.you said something interesting:


Its probably just my opinion that it is the one paying the $$ who causes the problem. It amazes me how many foreigners arrive here assuming they must pay to get something done and worse assume that their cash dollars will solve all their problems, not very often these days.


You are bloody right.There are people who are willing to pay and thus aggravate the problems. I have held positions that could have easily enabled me to get rich illicitly. It always amused me when someone was talking about corruption!. As for the foreigners,why should they pay something which the "Persons in Power" demand. Remember, our friend Dude said leave us alone and boycott us?.

The corruption is a worldwide phenomenon, I agree. But we a large nation rich with resources (land and labor and Brainpower) can grow only when we learn how to minimize the corruption (although it is impossible to eliminate it altogether).We should also stop giving "Jeitinhos". Remember we are in a globalized economy and for us to be key players, we have to learn how to negotiate with people from other cultures and not to be Xenophobic. I can write and write for hours,but I would like to give you a message.

If you consider Brazil, as your home, please do feel free to criticize what is bad and compliment good things. Try not to be intimadated by the unscruplous elements. Remember, those who go with the masses, are walking in the opposite direction.

No hard feelings ,mate. Good to have some alternative opinions.
Non Brasilian:
written by Lucas R., August 08, 2007
Mandou bem...
Lucas R
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
Mandou bem...


Mandou bem Qué? Expilque.
Joao
written by GTY, August 08, 2007
Seems you have some new fellas since I last checked in. No need to get in a slap fight with these girls. You seem very angry, not your style, what's the matter, did you and the Professor have a love spat.
a non Brazilian
written by nesnej, August 08, 2007
Non Brazilian, it is simply not correct to state that corruption is at the same levels in the US and Europe as it is in Brazil. If you look at transparency internationals corruption index one can see this is not true. Also to say "Europe" as if it were a country, despite the EU, doesn't make sense. Despite each European country being a democracy they all have different systems of governance and cultures, allowing for very different levels of corruption. For example Finland is rated as the least corrupt country in the world while your country, Eye-Tie land is ranked number 45. That is not to say there is not corruption in every country, but to dismiss the corruption in Brazil by saying everywhere else is just as corrupt does not help solve the problem in Brazil and is myopic. But I agree with all the problems I still actually like Brazil, Eye-Tie land is pretty cool too.
GTY
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
You seem very angry, not your style, what's the matter, did you and the Professor have a love spat.


Oh,f**k,not you again. The good Professor is in Portugal with his beloved Brazilian wife. As we know, they are very religious and good people.

My anger is because of the f**kup, the ignorant government committed wrt the air travel. They should have learnt after the Gol 1907 accident and they DID NOT LEARN. They ended up killing another 200 people. I refuse to swallow this.

I know that it is not my style to be angry,G,but sometimes it is good to let lose your sentiments and I am exercising my rights!

btw, G, your Clube Bahama was closed and sealed by the order of the Mayor of S.P. I guess it does not matter to you,since you have lots of Asiatic Tigresses to go after! (Hope your beautiful Carioca wife is not monitoring the blog).

AND YOU make sure that to read this blog. Dont be a "Bundão" (in case you didnt understand this word,ask your wife)
Ishi
written by Ric, August 08, 2007
Cambalhota.
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written by non Brazilian, August 08, 2007
i did not say in any way that the level of corruption in Brazil is the same as EU or USA because i don´t know.

some years ago a Venezuelan (pre chavez) minister was bribed with 1 million dollars by an oil company: he and his wife went to jail but no action was taken against the oil company.

This year BAE was lucky to not be prosecuted for corruption in UK and may still be in the US. The arms industry is famous for corruption, not so long ago Mgt Thatchers husband and son were arms dealers and more recently the son was arrested for attempting to organize a coup in Africa.

The bridge tragedy in US is revealing the levels of political corruption whereby politicians are sweetened with new construction projects.

The Iraq war is corruption on a scale Brazil could never even dream of.

What are lobbyists but official sounding corrupters? Who are the HMO´s paying to sell their lies? Nixon, Reagan and even H.Clinton. The revolving door between public office and private industry is corruption, just semi legal, and only then because most are on the gravy train.

Doctors are paid to prescribe medicines. Someone is paying for adverts "do you feel tired, sometimes stressed and don´t know what caused it?" "you may have 'unspecific anxiety disorder'" duh.

So what is true corruption? While I do not condone in any way a government official taking a bribe to facilitate an application, it pales in comparison to the levels of corruption that can be seen everywhere including Brazil - petty bribes are the public face, the real corruption is less public and much more loucrative.
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written by bo, August 08, 2007
The bridge tragedy in US is revealing the levels of political corruption whereby politicians are sweetened with new construction projects.

The Iraq war is corruption on a scale Brazil could never even dream of.

What are lobbyists but official sounding corrupters? Who are the HMO´s paying to sell their lies? Nixon, Reagan and even H.Clinton. The revolving door between public office and private industry is corruption, just semi legal, and only then because most are on the gravy train.

Doctors are paid to prescribe medicines. Someone is paying for adverts "do you feel tired, sometimes stressed and don´t know what caused it?" "you may have 'unspecific anxiety disorder'" duh.




I'll say it once again, the smartest guy I have EVER known in my life, used to say all the time, "Bo, there are a lot of stupid people in this world!"
non Brasilian:
written by Lucas R., August 08, 2007
-->> The Iraq war is corruption on a scale Brazil could never even dream of.

"MANDOU BEM" AGAIN !
(Despite some brainless worms like Bo above will never see these things in their poor lives)
Joao da Silva
written by Lucas R., August 08, 2007
I would like so much to know who you are in real life.... Is there a chance for that ??
Non brazilian
written by brazilian dude, August 08, 2007
"I was there" maens that I was one of the many in the whole crowd mobilized to manage the disaster, and was actually physically present in the emergency standby set-up in the first hours. Our pipeline was direct to the on-site guys who were accessing the ramains.
I am NOT from ANAC, Embraer, or, God forbid, Infraero.
Just an average joe.My posts probably reveal enough as it is.
None of this "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you" (Sean Connery voice...) crap.
Just an average Joe.
My info, however, is quite solid. Whenever viable I'll indicate verification procedures.
As for the pliers....
written by brazilian dude, August 08, 2007
They are but one of a very extensive, conprehensive list of peculiar creative artifacts I have come in contact with (yes, they do exist in fact). Life is full of surprises.
Typos...
written by brazilian dude, August 08, 2007
Arghg, I just hate it when I read my posts and see the massive amount of typos...
To:Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
I am NOT from ANAC, Embraer, or, God forbid, Infraero.


Must be from FAB or BIS itself!

Just an average Joe.


Arent we all just average Joes?

They are but one of a very extensive, conprehensive list of peculiar creative artifacts I have come in contact with (yes, they do exist in fact). Life is full of surprises.


I was just teasing ya! Life is full of surprises,indeed. Who would have imagined that a person who was present during the first hours after the Gol 1907 disaster is in this blog?
Lucas R
written by João da Silva, August 08, 2007
I would like so much to know who you are in real life....


Lucas, I am another "Average Joe" and not a politician,journalist nor an important person. I pay my taxes, dont steal money from anybody and obey all the laws (including the traffic laws). So I think it gives me the right to question the elected (and nominated) officials. Also when I assume a task, I believe in completing it to my fullest ability and dont believe in abandoning the ship,when it is taking in water. We have a beautiful motto on our flag "ordem e progresso" and I am a true believer in it.I wish our politicians and fellow citizens pay a little more attention to our flag.Having traveled both within and outside Brazil, I dont have misplaced pride and like to call a spade a spade.

I hope I have answered your question.
Hmmm....
written by brazilian dude, August 08, 2007
"Having traveled both within and outside Brazil, I dont have misplaced pride and like to call a spade a spade. "
Yup. Been around the block a coupla times.Got a few scars.And also happen to think being a patriot is facing the problems your coutry has, and not hiding them under gung-ho, chest beating brainless antics. To place a round in the brain stem of the beast, you gotta look it in the eyes.
Unfortunately, in our country the "turma do deixa disso" and "deixa ficar do jeito que está pra ver como é que fica" have a very strong representation.
As for being here, naturally after the accident I started reading far and wide, especially since I knew firsthand the lies, cover-ups and spin control that were applied in that case. Eventually I linked over here, and got sick of keeping quiet while seeing so much bullshiit flying around.
Mr Bin Lula has been the focus of attention for a long time. I repeat: he has an army of skeletons in his closet.More than many politicians..
Some of the most extensive files on him (in terms of behavior, quirks, character) are in Germany. The Volkswagen guys had an intelligence op going on which was quite...interesting.He double-crossed his "companheiros" for cold, harsh cash at the drop of a hat.
Start digging, guys.Some nuggets are bound to pop out.
Remember:this guy has a long, exhaustively documented past.
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 09, 2007
The Volkswagen guys had an intelligence op going on which was quite...interesting.He double-crossed his "companheiros" for cold, harsh cash at the drop of a hat.


Holy s**t,Dude. You seem to have more powerful memory than I have. I wonder where Wolfgang (or Hans,Fritz,etcsmilies/wink.gif Sauer is right now. May be scooted off to good ole Deutchland. I do remember OBL´s activities.Only thing was that the leftist looney journalists used to defend and make him a hero. Nobody remembers that many Auto Makers decided to set their ops in other states. Remember the great merger between VW and Ford orchestrated by Sauer? Dude, you have plenty of stories to tell the youngsters. You better keep on posting.
From all places to be a patriot
written by A brazilian, August 09, 2007
... brazilian dude has chosen the worst place to be one.

There's no good faith in here, you are not talking with friends, but with ill intended people. The rule is to spread hate (pay attention to ch.c) towards brazilians and promote agendas that clearly don't match the reality of Brazil.
A Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 09, 2007
brazilian dude has chosen the worst place to be one.


I dont think so.He does bring some fresh point of views .He is an intelligent person,just like us.He is fully capable of taking care of himself,incuding the attacks from,ch.c.So quit worrying.
Relax, brother...
written by brazilian dude, August 09, 2007
Remember: Keep your friends close.....
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written by Simpleton, August 09, 2007
" The rule is to spread hate (pay attention to ch.c) towards brazilians and promote agendas that clearly don't match the reality of Brazil." Hmmmm, don't ya think there's just a few whom have never been ones to follow the rules they don't think are valid (unless forced to by someone or something that perchance looked to have a better, brighter down stream consequence)? Problem is here on this site there are few rules (except those imposed by JDS) and there, there are many many rules but the applicability and enforcement ceases at various stations and levels as one finds or defines oneself upon the totem pole. That does appear to be changing at least a little bit recently (as evidenced by inditements but not necessarily incarcerations yet) so let's not go all hopeless now ne'?
And BTW
written by brazilian dude, August 09, 2007
...thanks for the "fresh point of view" thing. I tend to think of my views as rather jurassic... Typical cold war relic thinking. But the Great Game taught a lot, and these whelps from now don't realize what we see going on has already happened on a much grander scale, with a lot more at stake.At any rate I'm from "a time when men were real men, women were real women, and small, furry creatures from Alpha Ceutauri were real small, furry creatures from Alpha Ceutauri " (Douglas Adams).


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written by bo, August 09, 2007
written by João da Silva, 2007-08-08 18:10:23

I would like so much to know who you are in real life....



Lucas, I am another "Average Joe" and not a politician,journalist nor an important person. I pay my taxes, dont steal money from anybody and obey all the laws (including the traffic laws). So I think it gives me the right to question the elected (and nominated) officials. Also when I assume a task, I believe in completing it to my fullest ability and dont believe in abandoning the ship,when it is taking in water. We have a beautiful motto on our flag "ordem e progresso" and I am a true believer in it.I wish our politicians and fellow citizens pay a little more attention to our flag.Having traveled both within and outside Brazil, I dont have misplaced pride and like to call a spade a spade.


In my decade here in the northeast of Brazil I have met one....or maybe two, brazilians like yourself João. In my experience it's safe to say that you're in the same category as the red wolf, the vancouver island marmot, the javan rhino, and the Iberian lynx!
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written by bo, August 09, 2007
From all places to be a patriot
written by A brazilian, 2007-08-08 19:39:28
... brazilian dude has chosen the worst place to be one.

There's no good faith in here, you are not talking with friends, but with ill intended people. The rule is to spread hate (pay attention to ch.c) towards brazilians and promote agendas that clearly don't match the reality of Brazil.



You're so twisted you have no idea what the word "patriot" truly means Abe! I can tell you what it DOESN'T mean. It doesn't mean that one denies reality. It doesn't mean that one should only blow sunshine up people's asses about their reality and if they speak of negative realities then they're a "traitor". It doesn't mean that "only" people "born in brazil" have the right to speak their opinions about the country, bad or good. But you see, idiots like yourself, when seeing a "gringo" speak about the negative realities that exist in Brazil love to point their finger and say, "he hates Brazil, ele 'ta falando mal sobre meu pais", he doesn't have the right to speak about Brazil!"

Put down the lighter fluid, matches, and your George W. doll, take off that "A amazona é nossa" t-shirt and give it a good washing, I'm sure it needs it, and soak your head for about 5 years.
Gentlemen...
written by brazilian dude, August 09, 2007
Criticism isn't just a right.It's an obligation.Nobody ever learned anything by being patted on the back.
I will alway fiercely criticize my country, because I want it to improve. And that is not being a traitor.
I have seen the elephant, and I didn't turn tail and split. I wonder if the kids who dislike us old farts criticizing would manage too...
Words are cheap. (Bin Lula knows...)
Blood ain't.
The more we criticize, the more chance we have of correcting the screwups and not bleeding.
Cause when it goes down, it's not like in hollywood. It sucks.Big-time.
So let's criticize, and be cranky, and be nitpickers, whatever.Better that than proud, blind, and dead.
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written by non Brazilian, August 09, 2007
written by brazilian dude, 2007-08-08 16:04:11

"I was there" maens that I was one of the many in the whole crowd mobilized to manage the disaster,

Sorry, dude, but being there after the event does not qualify you to be spokesman for what happened at the event. But if the debate opens here on what happened to the possessions of the deceased I will welcome your input
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written by non Brazilian, August 09, 2007
I am amazed that people in USA are so tolerant of the terrible conditions that exist there and hate criticism. It amazed me how little protest there was against the Iraq invasion and how calm the population is knowing they were lied to in order for bush to achieve a personal ambition.

By contrast, Brazilians criticise 'brasil' all the time.
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written by bo, August 09, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-09 10:52:31
I am amazed that people in USA are so tolerant of the terrible conditions that exist there and hate criticism.



What are you smoking?? The entire world, including americans and especially the american media, criticizes the U.S. gov't. with every breath!
Bo: the redneck
written by A brazilian, August 09, 2007
Brazilian dude, if you want to be a useful idiot for these dorks then go ahead. You will see the most incredible affirmations made by people that know little or nothing from Brazil, as if they had some superior knowledge to teach us, brazilians, about things should be. Things they don't even know how they are to begin with.

Bo is a redneck living in the middle of some s**thole in the northeast. Where he lives he doesn't even have potable water, so in his brilliant "Fox News" addicted mind he believes that the entire Brazil is like the s**thole he lives in. He also matches a certain case we see so often around here, the "knowledge through copulation" syndrome.

Normal people tend to believe that in order to know something as good as possible you need to study and to have some experience, but people like Bo are different. They believe that the mere fact they are married to a "brazilian wife" grants them automatically a knowledge greater than the one the very natives have! One day Bo came here swearing in the name of God that he knew that Brazilian schools taught kids that the US is taking the Amazon by showing some supposed "image of a US school book" with the Amazon labeled as "international area". Of course all intelligent beings laughed of such ridiculous affirmations, because we know there are many hoaxes around the internet with some very ridiculous Photoshop edited pictures, but even so he said "he is married to a brazilian wife" (and that grants him the supreme knowledge) and he would contact immediately "Fox News". Hahahahaha.

Another wonderful piece of nonsense was when someone, not sure if it was Bo or someone else, said that Brazil was more racist than the US. You see, you are trying to be honest, but they are not! They were arguing with me that the US was not racist, ignoring all the recent American history, all the "race" culture present there even today, all the "race" politics, all the "Fox News" TV shows urging white people to have more kids or else they will become minority, all the cases of blatant racism we see so often there. No, according to them the US is a paradise where racism is unheard of and Brazil, this horrible land, is the most racist place on Earth. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

Well, this was just an sample of what you will find here. The last thing you will see is an American being honest.
Wassa Matter
written by Ric, August 09, 2007
Abe, get up on the wrong side of the coffin this morning? Your comments exude Class Envy. Get over it. You could be nice if you tried, betcha.
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written by non Brazilian, August 09, 2007
bo, the important part is that you are so tolerant of the terrible conditions that exist in the worlds richest country. And of course you are right the whole world criticizes USA, but there is a difference between what the world criticizes (iraq, neo-colonialism, unfair trade practices, hormones in meat, plaid trousers) and the conditions that americans must suffer, it is what you suffer and tolerate that most surprises me.

An example: I was there to visit a friends family and was shocked to find that her 70 year old grandmother was working, not in some hobby job or because she wanted to, but because she needed to. My friends 2 yr old daughter was seriously ill while I was there and we had to drive to the clinic each day to see a doctor, the journey was about 45 minutes. We waited on average an hour to see the doctor. If I had not been there to drive, she would have taken the bus, making the journey time closer to 1.5 hours each way. My friend worked 50 hours a week in 2 jobs and was just lucky that her Grandmother could arrange her work hours to suit. The 50 hours she worked at minimum wage were just about enough to take care of herself and daughter and only because she had no rent to pay.
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written by non Brazilian, August 09, 2007
There are misconceptions on both sides, no shock there, but, there is a lot of truth to travel broadening the mind. Visitors to Brasil and USA see things from a different persective and just because you are from a place does not mean your opinion is correct, both can be right and wrong. How many Americans visit the project housing areas? How many Brazilians with a PC will have spent time in a Favela? People from Sao Paulo or Rio (city not state) will have very little idea what it is like in the rural areas. Watching a novela will definitely not help you understand life in Brazil no more than (pick a US drama series) etc
To:Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 09, 2007
I was there to visit a friends family and was shocked to find that her 70 year old grandmother was working, not in some hobby job or because she wanted to, but because she needed to.


Son, you will be seeing our 70 & 80 Year olds working also,very soon.I dont know how long you have been in Brazil,but I can tell ya something. My father-in-law worked until the age of 75(not for hobby,just to survive) and he got his FGTS which was invested in "Caderneta de Poupança" and Collor´s government stole the money (in the sense that they froze the funds for 12 months and returned in 18 installments-when the inflation rate was almost 20% a Month).

Our social security which is called INSS is in utter choas and in deficit. So expect to take old ladies and gentlemen Brazilian friends to our dilapidated hospitals in this country. I have gone through it before (about 12 years ago) and at least at that time, the hospitals in our city used to be staffed by very good people,ill paid,but effecient.

btw, I am not criticizing you,but passing on some info on the reality of this country.I agree with you that the health care system in U.S. is no big shape and comes nowhere near NHS in England or Canada (or NZ),but I wouldnt clap hands about our Health care nor INSS.Believe me,because I have seen how things function in all these countries I mentioned.
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written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
I agree with you that the health care system in U.S. is no big shape


Sorry, I meant to say that the Health Care System in U.S. is no BIG SHAKE,either.
To:Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
How many Brazilians with a PC will have spent time in a Favela? People from Sao Paulo or Rio (city not state) will have very little idea what it is like in the rural areas.


Kid, I am not from S.Paulo nor Rio but I know the rural areas of 4 states in the South.Our "Favelados" have running water,electricty,TV and other goodies. Some of them even have PCs. Most of them have potable water too (from the city network or digging wells and pump clear and soft water.As a matter of fact, I can get good water just digging 18 feet into the ground. In the rural areas of South, you can have a nice dinner for almost 1/2 of the price they charge in S.P or Rio.

If you want, you can fight for the "favelados" of Rio and SP. I dont have to fight for OUR favelados, because I USED TO PROVIDE THEM WITH JOBS and I am proud of it.
I want to make it clear
written by Ric, August 10, 2007
That I do not agree with the following statement by Carlos Alberto Montaner in yesterday´s news:

"Brazil-despite the refinement of its ruling class-is a giant with feet of clay and a soccer ball for a head."

This should be deplored.
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
This should be deplored.


De acordo.Many times, the truth hurts,though. smilies/grin.gif
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written by non Brazilian, August 10, 2007
Joao - I have also seem the systems in Europe and elsewhere and perhaps luckily I don´t have any experience of the system in Brazil, but it is there and because of it I am able to provide a reasonably low cost health program for myself and employees.

Because you have experience of rural Brazil does not negate what I said, the majority of people in any country, especially such a large one as Brazil and US, have a local perspective which they think represents everybodies experience.

I don´t feel any need to fight for anyone in Brazil.

Interesting that you call me your son and a kid. Do you have some complications in yourlife that you think my being younger than you or being your offspring might solve? Do you want me to call you pai?
A brazilian
written by brazilian dude, August 10, 2007
Relax. Not being blind works both ways. I know the U.S. firsthand (lived there 3 and a half years) and wouldn't consider them a model to emulate in many areas. Bear in mind, however, that the U.S is, just like Brazil, an enourmous, very heterogenous country which can be defined as a sea of crap with islands of excellence. It is these islands that pull the country along, and which we can learn positive things from. As for the bad parts (most of it) they are useful as negative examples.
Critical thinking and skepticism are necessary for a worldview that contemplates improvement and self-improvement.That also means ego is quite useless and must be laid aside.Believe me, if I see something that shows me wriong about something I will gladly say"oops, I screwed up!", and review my stance forthwith.
We should all network as critically minded individuals and cooperate to try and diffuse verifyable information.Always questioning, always doubting.
Tourh but essential.
I meant tough but essential.
written by brazilian dude, August 10, 2007
Dammn typos.
A Brazilian: but people like Bo are different
written by In Your Face, August 10, 2007
You are right. People like Bo are different. Very few Americans are entrepeneurs in Brazil engaging in a million dollar real estate development, where the condominium units are selling for $100,000-$200,000 more or less. One learns people, a country, by doing business with them, making a profit It is a unique body of knowledge that is privy to those 1% of a population that actually engages in business enterprises in foreign countries. In some countries a man's word is his bond. . .in some countries it is not. In some countries it is about deceit, prevarication a sliminess, a pervasiveness of bribery and opportunism. In some countries it is about honor in others it is about cheating. One acquires as a boss or businessman a body of knowledge about the nature of men. Most people are neither bosses nor businessmen in their own country let alone in another country. Your analysis of Bo is a reflection of your own knowledge and its value.
In Your Face...
written by brazilian dude, August 10, 2007
As I said, large countries are heterogenous. What you described also fits New Orleans - But dosen't quite fit Curitiba. Large countries suffer from absurd cultural differences among their regions. The Yankee northeast, for example, shares a lot of values (imbued in the Protestant work ethic) with some of the south of Brazil.Conversely, the south of the U.S. has serious cultural similarities to the Brazilian Northeast...
Complex countries, resembling patchwork quilts.
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written by bo, August 10, 2007
Bo is a redneck living in the middle of some s**thole in the northeast. Where he lives he doesn't even have potable water, so in his brilliant "Fox News" addicted mind he believes that the entire Brazil is like the s**thole he lives in. He also matches a certain case we see so often around here, the "knowledge through copulation" syndrome.



Well, well well. Let's take these one by one, and the ONLY reason that I'm responding is because it appears that we may have one or two new posters that may swallow your frothing lies.

First, to the above quote, I live in the capitol of a state, Aracaju, that was voted in 2005 to have the "melhor qualidade da vida no nordeste"(best quality of life in the northeast)! And this wasnt some self-proclaimed title, it was a title that was won and given by a national organization here in Brazil. And where I live in this city is in the best neighborhood of apartment buildings in the city, so naturally I do have saneamento basico, although I'm getting ready to move next week to a house that I just completed building in a condominium on the beach that is by far the best condominium in the city. My neighbors will be Brazilian ministers, politicians and presidents of important national organizations here in Brazil. It's certainly not something I'm bragging about, but wanting to give you an idea of the "s**thole" I'm living in. It is the "best of the best" for the conditions we live under. And although I have been very fortunate in my life to have success in business, hence have the opportunity to live and travel to places here in Brazil that are the "best of the best", one cannot hide the facts that don't only exist here in Aracaju, but that exist all over the northeast of Brazil, as well as the north, and in the majority of places throughout the entire country. Aracaju does not have basic sanitation, or saneamento basico, in 60% of the "grande aracaju" area. This is not shocking news here in the northeast of Brazil, it is more the NORM, not the exception, and this is fact. President Lula was here in Aracaju last week, he made a pledge of 400 million reais of federal money which is supposed to be invested directly into this problem.....saneamento basico, over the next two years. We'll see how much gets siphoned off, hopefully they'll actually spend 40-50% on the project itself and the rest will go to corruption and redtape.

There are only "small pockets" of what could be comparable to "first world" conditions in respect to "quality of life" in Brazil Abe, that's obvious. It is the third world, and has all the problems that accompany that, principally the lack of security and lack of infrastructure. But because you live in Sao Paulo, which is by far the exception to the rule in Brazil in respect to MANY things, it is YOU that believes that this little world of YOURS in Sao Paulo is the way that Brazil should be characterized! You ignore 99.9% of your country's landmass and living conditions, you believe since Sao Paulo is the financial motor of Brazil that the rest of Brazil simply doesn't count and because 99.9% of the rest of Brazil has much poorer conditions than Sao Paulo it's even easier, and more convenient, to turn a blind eye and label the northeast and north as a bunch of "poor, lazy n****rs that want everything handed to them".

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written by bo, August 10, 2007
Normal people tend to believe that in order to know something as good as possible you need to study and to have some experience, but people like Bo are different. They believe that the mere fact they are married to a "brazilian wife" grants them automatically a knowledge greater than the one the very natives have! One day Bo came here swearing in the name of God that he knew that Brazilian schools taught kids that the US is taking the Amazon by showing some supposed "image of a US school book" with the Amazon labeled as "international area".



And see, there you go again, telling lies and innacuracies. What I stated were simply QUOTES, one from a brazilian congressman in Sao Paulo, a homo, that shortly after making the statement about the U.S. teaching their children that the amazon was a part of the U.S. got into trouble with a statement he made about a female congresswomen. And then my wife told me after learning of this that in her school in Bahia that she and her classmates also had a geography teacher that teached the same thing. According to her the teacher stated that he had a friend that lived in the U.S. that told him american children were being taught that the amazon was american territory. Now, let me elaborate a little on this. I'm sure that some of you, at least João, knows the name of the brazilian politician I'm speaking of, I think his first name is Claudio. Anyway, this idiot, a brazilian politician, on a national tv program, makes this absurd statement, Globo puts it on the front page of their site the next day. Now Abe states that statements like this are "absurd" and a "joke", like EVERYONE knows this here in Brazil. I'm here to tell you that THEY DON'T! Within 2-3 days after that statement was made on tv I was with a friend who is a procurador for the city of aracaju, one would assume an intelligent man, right?? During coffee with myself and several other brazilians he actually repeats the statement of the ignorant brazilian congressman as if it were fact and then turns to me and asks, "Bo, is that true?" And he was totally serious, and the other brazilians at my table were looking at me in seriousness as well, they had no idea!! I couldn't help but to start laughing. But it wasn't funny. These people didn't know. They swallow this type of horses**t hook, line, and sinker! And hence, once can easily understand why the people who truly weild the power in this country DO NOT want the masses to have access to, nor a good quality of, EDUCATION!!!

Talk about gullible.
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written by bo, August 10, 2007
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written by non Brazilian, 2007-08-09 18:22:00
bo, the important part is that you are so tolerant of the terrible conditions that exist in the worlds richest country. And of course you are right the whole world criticizes USA, but there is a difference between what the world criticizes (iraq, neo-colonialism, unfair trade practices, hormones in meat, plaid trousers) and the conditions that americans must suffer, it is what you suffer and tolerate that most surprises me.


Non brazilian, you haven't been around long enough or ready enough of my posts obviously. I'll be the first one to admit that the U.S. has MANY problems, but also, all in all, in my opinion, it's still the best country on planet earth. Are their better countries to live in from a quality of life perspective?? I guarantee ya, but I'll also bet their the size of one american state, and a small to medium one at that. And also do not possess the "possibilities" and "opportunities", for both success, as well as failure, that the U.S. does.

But if you want to talk about social security, the health industry, specifically health insurance, corruption in the form of the military industrial complex, in the U.S., I can talk all day. I don't excuse it, I admit the existance of the problems and condemn them, as every american I know does. But you won't find that here in Brazil. You find finger-pointing.....and the search for a scapegoat. Anyone, blame anyone except me. "Não foi eu", as I've said for years, it should replace "Ordem e Progresso".
Bo
written by brazilian dude, August 10, 2007
I guess it is hard for anyone who hasn't lived In the U.S. (and other countries, for that matter) to be able to see in an objective way the differences (mainly in worldview) which affect how successful a place can be. The nordeste itself is large and has places in which people are absorbing a different way of doing things which may, in the long run, improve their lot.
One of the things that make the U.S. what it is (in the positive sense) is the idea that individual participation in collective decisions will affect thier outcome.Another is the idea of accountability.
The least-developed places in the States are the ones where that doesen't quite fly (e.g. Mississippi).
It is ironic that the highest crime rate in the U.S. is in Washington,D.C. , the capital of "cover your ass" and "gloss over" and "spin control" in the country.
This sense of being part of a community and also responsible for it is missing in a lot of Brazil. Instead, what prevails is the Iberic tradition of seeing "Government" as something aloof and separate from "normal" people, and that we cannot influence or affect.(lotsa history in that). The tradition of dodging responsibility or commitment also comes from way back, and has held back development in all areas of endeavor.
There's a lot of history that helps understand these factors. But once understood, they have to be attacked.
This is gonna be a slow, uphill grind.
Bo
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
I'm sure that some of you, at least João, knows the name of the brazilian politician I'm speaking of, I think his first name is Claudio


You are refering to Clodovil Hernandes , who was the second most voted candidate in the last year´s elections to represent the state of SP in our Federal Chamber of Deputies.Probably, Dude has a file on him too!
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
Interesting that you call me your son and a kid. Do you have some complications in yourlife that you think my being younger than you or being your offspring might solve? Do you want me to call you pai?


My sincere apologies in my botched up attempt to match your sense of humor (while refering to the size of my brain).

I do not have any complication in my life and even if I had, I would not seek for help from the people in this blog and rather go in for trained help.
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
The tradition of dodging responsibility or commitment also comes from way back, and has held back development in all areas of endeavor.
There's a lot of history that helps understand these factors. But once understood, they have to be attacked.


You are right. They have to be attacked ruthlessly!

This is gonna be a slow, uphill grind.


De acordo. Let them not complain later that we didnt warn them!!

Where you from,Dude? Probably born in PR,living in DF? You dont have to answer my questions, if you dont want to.
João da Silva
written by Brazilian Dude, August 10, 2007
Good nose there.But, no ,not from PR. At the moment, not in DF... I travel around a bit.As for knowing a few places, it helps when you just keep quiet and watch and listen. The underbelly of places will teach you a lot about them too.Not a healthy habit, but mingling in the more unsavory parts of cities and countries is very eye-opening.
As for the Honorable Mr. Hernandes, he never really deserved a serious file. It's mostly for laughs.
On files: remember the hoopla about military files? About how some (most) disappeared, and about how Mr.Bin Lula's measures (laws on confidential documents) made possible re-classifying that stuff?
Ever wondered why someone who fought so hard against the ditadura approves of and protects the burying of those papers?
Files are re-evaluated every 5 years.The ones deemed less sensitive are downgraded in clearence accordingly. However, after 20 years, they were supposed to be cleared for public viewing, no matter what. In extreme cases, the old law stated 30 years was time enough for files to become non-sensitive and therefore available.
The military sure don't want that. Too many people from those days are still around.
But Bin Lula and his "democratic" companheiros should really want that, heh?Time for a reckoning!
Guess what other files would come to light if that were done?
Mr Bin Lula was really, REALLY well-documented. Even to the point of knowing which foods make him fart a lot.
But other, much smellier stuff is recorded there.
By allowing the re-classification of documents, all that went away.A nice cozy deal for both sides (military and Lula).
Deal? Hell, it was outright blackmail.
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 10, 2007
Ever wondered why someone who fought so hard against the ditadura approves of and protects the burying of those papers?
Files are re-evaluated every 5 years.The ones deemed less sensitive are downgraded in clearence accordingly. However, after 20 years, they were supposed to be cleared for public viewing, no matter what. In extreme cases, the old law stated 30 years was time enough for files to become non-sensitive and therefore available.
The military sure don't want that. Too many people from those days are still around.
But Bin Lula and his "democratic" companheiros should really want that, heh?Time for a reckoning!
Guess what other files would come to light if that were done?
Mr Bin Lula was really, REALLY well-documented. Even to the point of knowing which foods make him fart a lot.
But other, much smellier stuff is recorded there.
By allowing the re-classification of documents, all that went away.A nice cozy deal for both sides (military and Lula).


Dude, this is the first time someone comes out with questions that have been going on in the minds of many middle class and educated Brazilians. Many of our foreign comentators and the young Brazilian ones may not be aware of the history between 1964 and 1985.Surely you have brought a topic that could be debated,especially, when the title of the article is :"Why can´t the Brazil Bashers accept the simple fact that Lula won the reelections". Since we are not bashers,but Average Joes,it becomes all the more interesting to ask "Were his election and the reelection predetermined a long time ago?".If so,by whom? Many of us who have been accompanying his trajectory to power (since his Union days in ABC) were never convinced that he was a Irmão dos Pobres. May be his "Cumpanheiros" who wanted to take a free ride with him to power,money and glory.Not us. What really amused me was that shortly after assuming power in his second mandate, he declared that he was a leftist in his young days and he is no longer and in fact he wanted to know if his old rival Delfim Neto was present in the meeting to hear him saying that (remember that?)

So we now have a rightist Populist President (The Military Presidents were never popular nor populists),who is promising heaven and earth to the "Have Nots" of this country. His "fome Zero program" gave way to "Bolsa familiar", which of course is going to be a part of PAC.You as well as I know, there is not enough money in our Coffers to execute all the promises in rest of his 3 1/2 years mandate. My question is: Is he planning to stay on for another 10 years? If he was pre chosen almost 30 years ago to be the fearless leader of our nation, anything is possible.

I would very much appreciate your comments on the points I made. And why are his files deeply buried in Deutchland (VW)? You got stories to tell and we are willing to listen!
VW Didn't share...
written by Brazilian Dude, August 11, 2007
all the stuff they had on him. They just used it to mellow him down (just check the 80's timeline to see he de-radicalizes quite quickly with the auto companies.He affirmed that was because his objective of improving the metalurgico's lot had been achieved).What is on file is what was aquired through our snooping and through some creative dealing with VW.
Large companies have security/intelligence divisions which are not openly admitted. They are generally run by ex-professionals who get much better paid in private life than when they were govt workers.They ae very elective on what they coose to shere.
Some outsource this stuff, but is rather frowned upon - the chances of fuuckups tends to be greater (Kroll...)
The Germans, being...Germans, didn't outsource (still don't), preferring in-house troops to keep things "in ordnung".
You live in Curita, Joao?
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
Some outsource this stuff, but is rather frowned upon - the chances of fuuckups tends to be greater (Kroll...)
The Germans, being...Germans, didn't outsource (still don't), preferring in-house troops to keep things "in ordnung".


An Extremely interesting theory,though I have never been to Germany.

You live in Curita, Joao?


No Dude.Currently located slightly South of border of PR. I lived for almost 10 years in CTA,a long time ago . I thought you were from PR,because you are fierce in your opinions.The folks from PR have their own opinions (like the ones from MG) and I still have friends from PR,MG,RS and the South of the border of PR!. You being a smart Dude, I am sure you would know where exactly, I am located!! Keep talking and we are listening.
Bo
written by A brazilian, August 11, 2007
..."melhor qualidade da vida no nordeste"(best quality of life in the northeast)!


Pay attention to the "in the northeast". This guy doesn't know what Brazil is.

You ignore 99.9% of your country's landmass and living conditions, you believe since Sao Paulo is the financial motor of Brazil that the rest of Brazil simply doesn't count...


Stop saying nonsense, Sao Paulo is not 0,01% of Brazil. Get a map! Sao Paulo is the most populous state of Brazil with more than 40 million inhabitants, this is where the first brazilian city was founded and where the bandeirantes missions parted from when colonizing the interior of the continent. That makes it quite representative of Brazil, don't you think? More than the s**thole state you live in. You were probably some poor f**k prior to your "successes" in order to be so vulgar. You know, you can take a man out of the pre-history, but the pre-history out of the man.
Nice Try
written by Ric, August 11, 2007
You slip back and forth between SP state and SP city as you think it contibutes to your case. Dummy that I am, I don´t know how I managed to recognize that.

Are you Gay?
Not a theory.
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
And I'm quite sure you know it...Third-party companies exist to supply that service to those that don't have it in-house.Industrial and commercial espionage is serious business.
Even Brazilian companies have their departments. They usually import the talent, though. Embraer, for example, has a Sabra as its "Corporate Security Manager" (oficial title. This, by the way, is verifyable information.Use your contacts to check. His first firearm proficiency certificate and carry permit in Brazil, emitted by SP/SP state, is from november 2002. He's pretty good with sidearms, but better with assault rifles; but he was hired for brains, not muscle).
VW has their own personnel, which include a rapid-response team with ex-GSG9 members.
Again, check.
I don't deal in theories.They tend to be unhealthy.
As for our fearless leader...
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
What he wanted was the same the commies at the time wanted:power. He needed the workforce; they needed a vote magnet. It was simply a marriage of convenience.
The stuff he wanted to stay buried is basically about his playing both sides during the metalurgico movement.As he grew in representative power, he used that as a lever to rip off VW. He was recorded (sight and sound) making deals by wherby he would calm down the strikers and say he had gotten as much as possible from the bosses, and that any more strikes would be useless; the counterpart was money, pure and simple.His zenith was when he actually negotiated with the world prez of VW. That, however, was when he was recorded making deals and accepting bribes to be a double-crossing turncoat to the ones he represented.There never was a mobilization like that afterwards, despite layoffs, salary cuts...
By then he had a political career, and PT had its golden boy.
They were planning to be in power since then;but nothing was preordained.They did have to claw their way to the top.
However, once there they knew exactly what to do and how to do it. In the beggining, PT received both money and ideological directives from the defunct Soviet Union.Their goals are very clear.
As for the military... They don't want to get anywhere near power again.Morale is low, and a feeling of "save your own ass" pervades through the ranks.
You have no idea of the lack of readiness of the forces.They are so decadent that if Chavez decided to act up, we'd have to call the US for help, I shiit you not.
Verifyables:In 2004 and 2005, operations Jauru I and II (respectively) closed the border with Paraguay, Bolivia and Colombia, About 3000 troops were employe during six days (each).Objective: a show of force to the narcotraficantes.
All was ready for Jauru III, in 2006, when, suddenly, Morales invades the BR refinery.
Instead of being stepped up, the operation was cancelled and a gag order was sent out.
Bin Lula was AFRAID of any incident happening at the border.He didn't want Morales to "feel under pressure". He cancelled an operation three years in the making, on which money had been spent,logistics had been deployed, the works.
He scrapped an action that was intended to increase national security by showing that the border was not a free-for-all.
What did the militry do?
They shut up and took it up the ass with a smile and a "yes,sir".
They are totally de-balled,like the bears at Yosemite.
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written by bo, August 11, 2007
You have no idea of the lack of readiness of the forces.They are so decadent that if Chavez decided to act up, we'd have to call the US for help, I shiit you not.



After spending the last decade in Brazil and becoming somewhat familiar with it, and knowing a bit about the U.S. military and all the cash and preparations that are spent on it and still they seem to get surprised, make bad decisions, and at times unprepared, I can only imagine the brazilian military! My question is, if Brazil would ever ask the U.S. for military help what would all the frothing brazilian american-haters do?
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written by non Brazilian, August 11, 2007
Non brazilian, you haven't been around long enough or ready enough of my posts obviously. I'll be the first one to admit that the U.S. has MANY problems, but also, all in all, in my opinion, it's still the best country on planet earth.

Dude, at least you know it is just an opinion, and not one shared by non-americans in other developed countries, the US may be attractive to Brazilians, naturally, they have high unemployment and few opportunities for young adults but this is not the case for developed countries. There is extraordinary wealth in US but it is unevenly shared. The bulk of americans just about get by and are paid off in low cost consumer goods paid for on credit.

There is not just one america, conditions vary from state to state and rural to urban. My experience is California, Ohio, Tennessee, S. Carolina and New York. I have seen extreme proverty and violence but most of all complete ignorence of life outside US.

Check the stats, US does not fare well for quality of life
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written by non Brazilian, August 11, 2007
Sorry Dude, said wrong name above was meant for Bo.

Bo - I agree that the US offers great opportunities for success and I absolutely agree that more than anywhere else it forgives failure, and I am just talking about business.

But, quality of life? no, sorry, not even close. Wait til you have lived in Australia, France, Spain, Sweden or had a reasonable job in Brazil.
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written by bo, August 11, 2007
But, quality of life? no, sorry, not even close. Wait til you have lived in Australia, France, Spain, Sweden or had a reasonable job in Brazil.



Brazil? Quality of life? Buddy, what planet are you from?? The thing that kills quality of life in Brazil is the complete and utter lack of public security. If one has lots of money in brazil you need to hire bodyguards and have bullet-proof glass in your cars. Come on now man, Brazil is #4 in the world in deaths by violence, approaching 60,000 people a year!

Non-Brazilian, you show your inexperience in your statements. Spain? Spain is comparable to third world in MANY places and concerning many things! It's difficult to have a "high quality of life" in places where corruption is rampant. Buddy, do the research, the country with the best quality of life for 21 consecutive years until 2006 was the United States according to International Living. A publication that has been in existance for nearly 30 years. The U.S. came in 5th for 2007, France came in 1st, for the second consecutive year.

Non-brazilian, are you sure you're not related to "Abe Razillion"? smilies/cheesy.gif
This was for 2006
written by bo, August 11, 2007
" Why the United States has fallen

The United States falls from the top position it held in this Index for 21 years in a row, to take sixth place this year. Although its score hasn't dropped dramatically (its final score last year was 86, compared with 82 this year), a few points are worth making.

Its economic performance over the past year has slowed slightly, and this is reflected in our Index (it gets an Economy score of 90 this year, compared with its 92 rating last year). According to the OECD (www.oecd.org), "with the gradual withdrawal of monetary and fiscal stimulus and much higher oil prices, growth has slowed slightly as output has approached capacity limits and inflation pressures have begun to build. Although the impact of Hurricane Katrina is still subject to substantial uncertainty, prospects for a soft landing are good. Nonetheless, policy action in some areas would be helpful in unwinding imbalances that have emerged and sustaining favorable economic performance."

More than the current economic uncertainties, though, it is the ongoing and increasing infringements of personal freedoms in this country that account primarily for its fall from first place in our Index. While other First World countries receive the top score of 100 in our Freedom category, the U.S. gets but 92 points.

The United States remains, inarguably, the world's most convenient place to live. But, we argue, and our Survey this year maintains, that convenience is not the most important factor in determining any country's quality of life."


http://www.internationalliving.com/qol06/
Here's the "Economist"
written by bo, August 11, 2007
http://www.economist.com/media...F_LIFE.pdf



The U.S. comes in 13th in the world.
HDI -Human Development Index
written by bo, August 11, 2007
It's what the United Nations uses to rate "quality of life". Here is the 2006 report. The U.S. is 8th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Top thirty countries (HDI range from 0.965 down to 0.885)

1. Flag of Norway Norway 0.965 ()
2. Flag of Iceland Iceland 0.960 ()
3. Flag of Australia Australia 0.957 ()
4. Flag of Ireland Ireland 0.956 ( 4)
5. Flag of Sweden Sweden 0.951 ( 1)
6. Flag of Canada Canada 0.950 ( 1)
7. Flag of Japan Japan 0.949 ( 4)
8. Flag of the United States United States 0.948 ( 2)
9. Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 0.947 ( 2)
10. Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands 0.947 ( 2)



11. Flag of Finland Finland 0.947 ( 2)
12. Flag of Luxembourg Luxembourg 0.945 ( smilies/cool.gif
13. Flag of Belgium Belgium 0.945 ( 4)
14. Flag of Austria Austria 0.944 ( 3)
15. Flag of Denmark Denmark 0.943 ( 1)
16. Flag of France France 0.942 ()
17. Flag of Italy Italy 0.940 ( 1)
18. Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom 0.940 ( 3)
19. Flag of Spain Spain 0.938 ( 2)
20. Flag of New Zealand New Zealand 0.936 ( 1)



21. Flag of Germany Germany 0.932 ( 1)
22. Flag of Hong Kong Hong Kong 0.927 ()
23. Flag of Israel Israel 0.927 ()
24. Flag of Greece Greece 0.921 ()
25. Flag of Singapore Singapore 0.916 ()
26. Flag of South Korea South Korea 0.912 ( 2)
27. Flag of Slovenia Slovenia 0.910 ( 1)
28. Flag of Portugal Portugal 0.904 ( 1)
29. Flag of Cyprus Cyprus 0.903 ()
30. Flag of the Czech Republic Czech Republic 0.885 (
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written by Ric, August 11, 2007
What´s interesting in this list of thirty is that none are tropical save tiny Singapore and the bleak northern territories of Australia, whilst the first world part of Australia is in the south, where most of them live.
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
As for our fearless leader...


Thanks for the nice analysis.

So, who is going be our NEXT fearless leader? Tarso Genro, Jobim, Dilma or Marta? Just be on the alert as I am.
Bo:Street smarts...
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
help in knowing what a country is really like. You have to live like a common bloke and mingle.Spain is going forward, but it still has a long, dreary path.Ethics could use a boost.
Nordic and Germanic countries, however, as well as France, Belgium and Australia and New Zealand deserve a second look on your part, Bo. Ever been there?
I must admit, never been to Australia, New Zealand the nordlands or Germany. All I have is the input from colleagues in those areas, but what I hear (from pretty smart guys) is quite favorable.So maybe I'm pissing in the wind here.
My bailiwick has been the States, latin countries (Chile, which is quite impressive, Mexico,rather less impressive,Venezuela, not at all impressive except in a negative way, latin European coutries... places where language skills and plenty of cheek allow some blending in) I'll agree that the closest thing to an egalitarian meritocracy I have seen is the U.S., and , while it does have serious drawbacks, it still is the most functional system in the bunch.I personally think it is rather going downhill, comparing my times there (periods in '75-76, '80-82, and '99-2000), especially in terms of education. The idiotic "I'm proud to be an ignorant, uneducated, down-to earth folksy religiuos American" attitude has gained s lot of ground (otherwise, why Bush, heh?) :- We suffer from that over here too. "Nunca passei da quarta série, e tenho orgulho disso!" (Bin Lula, of course). Ah, heck , I'm straying.
Well, any opinion on the countries mentioned? Drawbacks of the American model as compared to those? Stray thoughts?
I've only been to..
written by bo, August 12, 2007
Germany from the list you mentioned....and it's absolutely beautiful. I loved it. But then again, my mothers family arrived in the U.S (then an english colony). in 1740 from Germany. I have a very good friend from Belgium who has visited me the last three years here in Brazil, but never been there. He gets 3 months of "sick leave" per year as he has asthma, so Jan-March, the coldest months, he's here in Brazil! He also gets one month vacation per year. This would never be tolerated in the U.S. As I believe I stated in a previous, recent, post, I'm sure that there are countries with a better quality of life than the U.S. overall. But naturally "quality of life" is subjective concerning many things. As Ric noted, in the top 30 list, there aren't any tropical environments, which for many is a very important characteristic. Also, in many cases, it's difficult to make like comparisons in respect to small countries and large countries. The northern european countries always do well in quality of life rankings, they've had high levels of education for many decades, they are wealthy, and have comparatively small countries as well as populations. Much easier to manage.

As far as drawbacks on the american model, we really need to start providing a higher quality of education in K-12 imo. We need to start paying our teachers better. I know all about uneducated americans, don't know too many that are proud of the fact though, I'm from W.V. Grandfather owned coal mines, so I grew up around miners. Spare the rod and spoil the child, that was the motto in my family.
Hm, work ethics...
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
are part of the core traits of an american.That makes one hell of a difference(ever been to the south of Brazil?).
But the rejection to education as "useless" and "a thing for softies" is something I saw a lot of in the US.(I see it here too, unfortuntely). Ever been to the midwest(AKA bible belt)? I used to speak with a Boston accent as my default english setting, but the firt time I opened my mouth in the midwest, none-too-friendly looks were in order.I changed my accent accordingly, and after blending in, learned that east coasters are seen as "overeducated and snotty".
Damn!
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written by maladroit, August 12, 2007
It is all about clothes. Nature dictates the necessity for clothes. The colder the clime the greater the necessity for clothing. If you do not dress for the winter there will be dire consequences. This subtle bending of the intellect to logical necessity is the fundamental difference between northern and tropical consciousness. Tropical climes do not require clothes, so there is a wild hedonism that imbues the society with all kinds of ills, ie samba, sloth, malaria, bad government and bad meat. Before electricity a (northern invention) the tropical regions of the earth could only eat bananas and fish, both of which were plentiful, but meat, forget about it. So the story of civilization is the story of meat and refridgeration. The better the meat the better the quality of life. After a while the malaria and constant state of paradisical weather begins to effect the will of the people. They no longer, if ever, have the will to do anything. Everything is put off till tomorrow, thus the concept of manana. The weather in the tropics will support this, because everyday is the same. When things get tough on the equator it is better to put it off. Malaise, entropy and recrudescence are iconic, it is the way of the equatorial world. And sex, and violence, and corruption, and sloth, and a dirth of education are all manifestations of equatorial existences. You cannot compare Europe with the regions of the south because it is the weather that is the determinant. This is why global warming is such a threat. It is a threat to the very fabric of civilization. If you do not need to do anything you wont. It is so difficult to think when it is hot, it is better to go to the beach grab a couple of Skols and wait for the sun to set.
And wait for tomorrow.
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written by merlin, August 12, 2007
I live in Brazil and loathe it, am an ex-middle class citizen - "ex" before being f....d by this PT government.

Lula and the PT won the elections because of their promises of "family", "schooling", "meals" allowances to the unfavored classes.

These allowances are only a poor excuse for these people to procreate, laze off at home, booze and drug themselves up.

Overall taxes here represent circa 40% of the GNP. 90% of this goes to government misspending, graft and robbery.

Banks and banking institutes obrtain half-yearly net profits to the tune of an average US$2,000,000,000.00 (TWO BILLION US DOLLARS).

All this at the cost of the now practically non-existant middle class.

The avergae would-be "salary" politicians get is approximately US$50,000.00 monthly TO DO NOTHING WHATSOEVER excpet thinking up and planning new taxes and levies. They gho to Congress on Tuesdays and leave on Thursdays. Dog's life isn't it?.

One of the taxes supposedly temporary, haeing now become permanent, is the "check tax" where all banking transactions and operations are charged 0.38%. This tax was supposed to be applied in public health benefits, hospitals, fist-aid stations, medicine, etc. This sector didn't see one penny as yet. The yearly amount levied is US$20,000,000,000.00.

If anyone wants details of our economical situation and how we're being robbed, please ask, I'll be glad to oblige.



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written by Ric, August 12, 2007
No pure democracy with obligatory voting and a significant underclass can survive for long.
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written by bo, August 12, 2007
Ever been to the midwest(AKA bible belt)?



No, the bible belt is the southeast my friend. I grew up there. West Virginia today is considered "mid-atlantic", but we're just a tick away from virginia and the carolina's, which is the bible belt. The mid-west is oklahoma, missouri, etc.

But the rejection to education as "useless" and "a thing for softies" is something I saw a lot of in the US.


Have NEVER seen that! What you need to understand is that the U.S. is "regional", as in any big country. If one perceives that you're "nawt frum aroun here", then it's a different ballgame. But education, in my experience, is greatly valued in the U.S. and the importance is vastly understood.
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written by bo, August 12, 2007
One of the taxes supposedly temporary, haeing now become permanent, is the "check tax" where all banking transactions and operations are charged 0.38%.



f**king unreal that you mentioned this! Been fighting with my bank for 3 weeks now. c**ksuckers are charging me a percentage on every check I write that is more than 5K reais. f**king jews, they own this country.
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
"written by merlin, 2007-08-12 14:18:03

I live in Brazil and loathe it, am an ex-middle class citizen - "ex" before being f....d by this PT government.

Lula and the PT won the elections because of their promises of "family", "schooling", "meals" allowances to the unfavored classes.

These allowances are only a poor excuse for these people to procreate, laze off at home, booze and drug themselves up. "


Usually I feel sorry for anyone who suffers, strangely enough, not in this case.
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written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
f**king unreal that you mentioned this! Been fighting with my bank for 3 weeks now. c**ksuckers are charging me a percentage on every check I write that is more than 5K reais.f**king jews, they own this country.


Fighting with the bank just for 3 weeks? This s**t was introduced in 1996 and nobdy has a control over it. It was the government that determined it had to be charged. If I recall correctly, it was 0.25% with a different name (IPMF) and it became 0.38% with a brand new name of CPMF.It was supposed to be for bettering the Health System in this country and in reality,it is being used and abused by the government (Any government). They make about 38 Billions Reais per year with this tax and want to extend this tax till the year 2011. There is a movement started in our state (SC) from yesterday to abolish the tax,as the voting to extend has to be done until the end of September.It is a good civic disobedience movement and I hope the other states also get interested and pressure their reps to vote against the extension.

I dont know if the Yids own the country,but I can assure you that none of my Jewish friends own anything of significance!! It is quite possible that the Swiss own this country and one day, we will find Ch.c being nominated as the President of our Central Bank!!! smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
Usually I feel sorry for anyone who suffers, strangely enough, not in this case.


Sorry, I didnt really get it. Please calrify this your statement of yours.

You dont feel sorry for the Ex-Middle class citizens like Merlin or "for these people to procreate, laze off at home, booze and drug themselves up"?
Regional, then...
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
Well, can't say I was in contact with the most enlightened of americans....The profile I met was quite...phobic in general(xenophobic, etc). Still, I agree about the regionalism (Brazil is also like that), and have already said as much.(previous posts).
Did misplace the bible belt... oops. However, a lot of education phobia was expressed in some very religious types I met...
The states is very split up on this particular matter...
Still, ever been to the south of brazil?
brazilian dude
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
Still, ever been to the south of brazil?


I dont think he has ever been to the South.If he has, I woul have some file on him also smilies/grin.gif

btw, why are you so excited about the South?
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written by maladroit, August 13, 2007
I didn't know it was 'the f**king Jews again'. Blacks and Jews, the bane of the gentryed class of the South, the raison d'etre of the Klan.
Ric
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
No pure democracy with obligatory voting and a significant underclass can survive for long.


Ric, this is an interesting comment.I just know one other country that has (or had) obligatory voting, besides ours.That is Australia which does not have underclass as Brazil does.My question is:Is it good or bad to make the voting NOT obligatory when there is an underclass. If it is not obligatory, the educated middle class will not turn up at the polls and the under class,with idiotic promises like "Bolsa Familiar", "Fome Zero",etc; would massively vote for unscrupulous candidates.The rich as usual will join the winners. Believe it or not, this question is being debated among a small circle of my friends and relatives and still, we dont know for sure if it is good for Brazil.

Then there is a new blogger by name "Non Brazilian" who says that the Presidential Democracy will not work in Brazil nor in U.S. I dont know if you remember that almost 2 decades ago, there was a plebicite in Brazil asking people to choose between Presidential and Parliamentary democracy and the former won. My point is that, Brazil having so many parties,it is in reality a parliamentary democracy.

This is an interesting topic to be discussed.Mind you, I am not a political scientist nor intend to be one.
maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
the raison d'etre of the Klan.


You dont have to impress us by throwing French phrases on us. We Brazilians understand the expression perfectly. smilies/grin.gif
joão...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
the thing about the south is because it basically has kept arather different mentality and work ethic from the rest of the country (maybe becausse of the winters, maladroit? smilies/wink.gif). It is by no means perfect, but has some very positive points to be noted.
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written by maladroit, August 13, 2007
Maybe it's the Germanic heritage.
brazilian dude/maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
You both are right.Unless one drives through the South and see the small communities and talk to the "Natives" in "Botecos",she or he would never appreciate the fact. As for the Germanic Heritage, it is partly true,but lets not forget our beloved Italo- Brazilians ,Polish Brazilians,etc; who are contributing too. With these people in the Interior, you can still shake hands and close a deal.btw, the original Portuguese settlers are also great and they still honor their words. If you really look at the reality, we do not need the rest of the country to feed or clothe ourselves nor for other superfluous items like cars,fridges,etc; Look at the agricultural and industrial potentials of the South and you will agree with me. It doesnt mean that we have to break away from the Union and I am certainly against it. But, it is a message to BinLU ( Dude, you gave me an idea to compete with Daslu). Please dont mes with the South.
Yeah, but...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
mr Bin Lula has already said his two ears are for selective listening, remember that? He WILL mess with the south.I just hope the south rams it up his ass so hard it comes out of his mouth.
João da Silva
written by Ric, August 13, 2007
I´m no expert on this, but am aware of certain patterns.

In the USA, the person most likely to vote is over 45 with a college degree, earning at least $25,000 per year. That´s not Household Income, but individual.

The least likely are: The poor; non-unionized blue collar workers; ethnic minorities.

In 1996, 28% of hispanic citizens voted; 52% of blacks; and 59% of non-hispanic whites.

Looking at US voting history, 79% of those eligible to vote actually voted in 1896, 49% in 1920, 49% in 1996, and 51% in 2000.

Some say the reason for low turnout is lack of interest, and the fact that most 18 year olds are not yet part of the community, and their inclusion added greatly to the number of those eligible, and that one third now classify themselves as Independents. Can Nader throw th coming election? Can Bloomberg?

More liberal analysts say it´s due to the difficulty of registering. One state requires no registration, midwest state, can´t remember, the rest do, and a state can have thousands of precincts. They would say that the poll tax lives on.

Whatever, in the USA, which is not a pure democracy, a low turnout favors conservatives and massive get-out-the-vote drives favor the others. Do you really want people who will sell their votes for T-shirts or hammocks deciding on your future?
I'm no expert,...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
but I do believe obligatory vote is extremely negative for Brazil.A paralel can be made with obligatory military service : all we get is quantity, a lot of cannon fodder, but few worthwhile soldiers.If only people who actully want to vote and feel it worth their trouble end up casting a ballot, that generally means the less-informed ignoramuses will prefer staying at home with a skol and enjoying the holiday.
That is why the politicos will always be against optional voting, using all sorts of "patriotic" arguments against it.
Maybe we should start campaigning for a change in that, eh?
I'm no expert,...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
but I agree with ric. All we get with the obligatory vote is quantity. If it were non-obligatory, only those that are well-informed enough to care about voting will actually cast a ballot instead of enjoying the holiday by watching soccer on tv with a skol in hand.
You can bet politicos are against non-bligatory votes, and use all sorts of "patriotic" arguments to justify their position.They are afraid of losing their "currais", especially Osama Bin Lula.
Sorry..
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
the sytem didn't register the first post, hence the double entry.
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written by bo, August 13, 2007
Fighting with the bank just for 3 weeks? This s**t was introduced in 1996 and nobdy has a control over it. It was the government that determined it had to be charged.



I'm not talking about cpmf, they rake me with that. Saw how much my business was charged for that tax last year at my accountants a couple months back, made me nauseaus. I'm talking about an additional charge that all banks are charging for any CHECK that is in excess of 5,000 reais, and they charge a percentage of the amount. Stupid if you ask me, now when I have to give anyone a check for more than 5,000 I give several checks until the amount is reached in checks of maximums of 4,999 reais. Increases administration costs for the bank.
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written by bo, August 13, 2007
Still, ever been to the south of brazil?



yeah, been to santa catarina. Liked it, much prefer there than the NE. But.....my daughter is here. If she didn't exist(thank god she does) I would've been back in the U.S. in 2002.
How about...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
taking her down there for some vacations?Who knows, she mightjust fal in love with the place.Worth trying, heh?
yep...
written by bo, August 13, 2007
have had her in sao paulo a couple times....she loves it.
That's the ticket...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
If she loved sao paulo, she definitely's got the potential of skipping the NE for good. São paulo is a love it or hate it thing. If you love it, it never stops itching, and you just have to return.
Anyone with the personality to love SP is susceptible to further options.(ha. her mom would probably throw a fit at this talk we're having, eh? smilies/wink.gif)
If you want her to come to love the US, show her its really good side. (obviously this is my take on it...)
I would suggest new england, in the fall.
Try taking her to boston (a metropolis with a unique beauty - it breathes culture) for the SP-like thing. Then take her around the golden woods there, which have no counterpart anywhere else.
It knocked me flat on my back the first time I saw it. As someone who lives in the NE, that might happen to her also.
Take her on a picnic at the lakeside under the falling leaves.
I'l be damned if that doesn't shake up one's perspective on things.
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written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
I'm talking about an additional charge that all banks are charging for any CHECK that is in excess of 5,000 reais, and they charge a percentage of the amount.


Any way which way you see, the banks always come out the winners. They charge on the additional fees for the check books too. No wonder many carry money in their "cuecas"!
Yeah, they deserve...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
to be contemplated with a few exotic undergarments I've seen, which involve rather sharp, metallic electrified projections on the inside. Works best when soaked in saltwater...
Batteries not included. smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
to be contemplated with a few exotic undergarments I've seen, which involve rather sharp, metallic electrified projections on the inside. Works best when soaked in saltwater...


Then we entice them by printing our currency with this slogan " Cueca e Progresso", with the picture of Binlu. You are getting much better, Comrade. Generator of ideas and New Product development Director of this site.My hearty congrats.
Comrade? Hm, well,
written by brazilian dude, August 14, 2007
yeah, those nice products do have a "je ne se quoi" of the Lubyanka in them... The Great Game left an interesting legacy, tovarisch!
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
yeah, those nice products do have a "je ne se quoi" of the Lubyanka in them... The Great Game left an interesting legacy, tovarisch!


Just passing disinformation on us,Comrade. I am trying to find another scape goat for our ills and the Ruskies are our next target.

You must be reading too many of Tom Clancey´s novels lately.Lubyanka was located on Drezynsky Square (please do correct my spelling),right?. So I know whom you were really trained with, Tovaritch.
Felix Dzerzhinsky.
written by brazilian dude, August 14, 2007
AKA, Iron Felix. chief of the Cheka (future KGB) during the Stalin years.
The Square is actually Lubyanka Square, giving its name to the infamous building.However, it is commonly referred to as Dzerzhinsky square due to the statue of the infamous spymaster that decorates its center.
Clancy's allright. He keeps the B.S. dial in his novels set on"low" (generally).
Trained? Huh? only thing I ever trained was bycicle riding...Managed not to fall too much when using the training wheels... smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/wink.gif
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
I forgot to tell ya. At 9.50 P.M, our good Senator(ess) is going to be interviewed on a local TV station about her view on extending CPMF. I am looking forward to the interview. She is a comrade in arms of Binlu and lets see what she has got to say. The folks in our state are pissed off about the CPMF.
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written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
Trained? Huh? only thing I ever trained was bycicle riding...Managed not to fall too much when using the training wheels...


Gut.Pass on more and more DisInfo (sometning to do with InfoTech)
To:Zé Culatra
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
Zé, I heard on the TV that in your state of MG, a Litre of Ethanol costs much less than that of Milk. Is it true?. I cant believe it.Share your info with us, please.
Any comments on the senator?
written by brazilian dude, August 14, 2007
What did she say?
Maladroit: the KKK member
written by A brazilian, August 14, 2007
This subtle bending of the intellect to logical necessity is the fundamental difference between northern and tropical consciousness


Where the f**k these ignorants come from? Are these ideas so common for the history illiterate from the US? The guy just regurgitates racist theories and others even agree with. There is only one detail, actually many big and screaming FACTS that brake the back of this eugenics "Northern theory" apart:

- Were the Aztecs living in a snowy weather?
- Were the ancient egyptians living in a snowy weather?
- Were the Arabs living in a snowy weather? (And they had math more advanced than the west)
- Were the Assirians, Babylonians, Indians, Incas, etc living in snowy weather?

Some other guy didn't even know that the numbers we use today, that enabled this much development, came from the East and not from the Western Europe. If it weren't by those living in hot places the european s**t heads would be living in a middle ages-like environment doing all calculations with Roman numerals! You can't do much with Roman numerals, before any ignorant f**k think that's ok.

If it weren't by me you would be all a little bit dumber right now.
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written by bo, August 14, 2007
he guy just regurgitates racist theories and others even agree with.



Hey Abe, where's that n****r Historian these days??


I have to laugh when you regurgitate the word "racist".
A.Brazilian: Assyria, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, Half of India are all north of the Tropics. . .as to Meso America they are irrelevent blood drinking human sacrificing irrelevencies. The R
written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
trop·ic (trpk)
n.
1.
a. Either of two parallels of latitude on the earth, one 23°27 north of the equator and the other 23°27 south of the equator, representing the points farthest north and south at which the sun can shine directly overhead and constituting the boundaries of the Torrid Zone.
b. Tropics or tropics The region of the earth's surface lying between these latitudes
Maladroit
written by A brazilian, August 14, 2007
Hahahahaha! Northern theory stated that the severity of the climate of the North, the harsh winters, forced the people there to "harden", to become better humans. That was a justification for racial theories, especially the ones propagated among the XIX century that supported that the Northern Europeans were superior. Not all Europeans, but the North Europeans. The justification for the greatest empires to have appeared by the mediterranean and not in the north was that "they were influenced by the great race". Hahahahahahahahaha.

Egypt is just as close to the Equator as some other country from the South, and all those examples are just samples of superior civilizations that were born in places not with harsh winters.

Tenochtitlan in Meso America by the time Hernan Cortez came had over 1 million inhabitants, more than any other city of Europe. While Europe were full of rat infested villages they counted with many engineering feats that enabled that many people to live in only one place, be fed and not die by plagues caused by dirtiness and rat infestations. The Spanish couldn't believe the beauty and richness of the place when they first saw it, unlike anything there was in Europe.

Oh please, study! You deserve to be treated as a dwarf among men for being so ignorant.
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written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
It is mere observation, you can conclude what you will. But what is construed as Civilization, both Western and Eastern, occur 23 degrees 27 minutes north of the equator. That by the way includes all the civiliztions of the Mediterranean, as well as the civilization that built the pyramids of Gaza as well as the Babylonians, Assyrians et al.

You could conclude that great civilizations occur outside of the Tropics in preponderence and there may be a relationship between civilization and the equitorial sun.

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written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
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written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
At its height it was one of the largest cities in the world, with over 200,000 inhabitants.
It was founded in 1325. The city was conquered in 1521.

"Tenochtitlan in Meso America by the time Hernan Cortez came had over 1 million inhabitants, more than any other city of Europe". . .this is not true A.Brazilian.
Maladroit: the dumb
written by A brazilian, August 14, 2007
First, that's not what the Northern Theory says. What you had said, and many here agreed, is verbatim what racists said in the XIX century and early XX. And referred exclusively to the north of Europe, not the east, not the mediterranean, not anywhere else. You are falling back to this "let's look at the Atlas" just not to feel humiliated.

Second, go to a library urgently and don't get out of there until you have done your homework. Try reasearching the situation on Europe cities in 1500s and then compare it to Tenochtitlan, it is going to be eye opening. Compare the weather of the different regions, such as Egypt (freezing, huh?) and others. Your affirmation is that of a little kid, baseless, faithful on the trash you have been taught probably by other KKK members. Compare the scientific and engineering feats of the many civilizations all accros the world.

Third, the Earth have gone through periods of warming and coldening, and that changes everything. For example, I have read that during a coldening period some centuries ago Iceland lost half of its population, and great lengths of land in the North of Europe were covered by ice. Such changes doesn't help civilizations, it only prevents development that in a more moderate weather could happen.

Give up, or else you will look more ridiculous than you are already look.
To: Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
What did she say?


She said what we all expected her to say. She is the leader of the "Governing Block" (PT) in the Senate and was defending the extension of CPMF (or more likely make it permanent).Also saying how the money is bettering the Health Service, building divided highways in the state,etc. Also defending Renan. We could make out that her political ambitions are very clear. I think she would be a candidate for Governor in 2010. Working hard to win the Municipal elections for PT next year.
Maladroit motivates us
written by A brazilian, August 14, 2007
If most people are dumb just like him then it means that we have hope! If we privatize public colleges and with the money fix the basic education then that would guarantee smarter people than maladroit.
A.Brazilian
written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
No one is talking about the 'Northern Theory'. I am merely making an observation about where 'civilization' has evolved. The map is a visual aid for the linguistically impaired. Almost all civilization has occured north of the Tropics. What would be of interest is how you would posit why. As to climate and civilization I suggest you research its relationship. It has nothing to do with racism. It is only a statement of historical observation
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written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
- Were the Aztecs living in a snowy weather?
- Were the ancient egyptians living in a snowy weather?
- Were the Arabs living in a snowy weather? (And they had math more advanced than the west)
- Were the Assirians, Babylonians, Indians, Incas, etc living in snowy weather?


It is interesting that these issues were raised by an AMERICAN and a GERMAN friends of mine and they were asking the same questions as "A Brazilian" is. Another blogger here by the name of "Shelly" had some interesting things to say about how the Agricultural economy.

Since I read about the civilizations a long time ago, I cant say for sure. There was a civilization called "Indus Valley Civilization". The present 'Zero" and the Statistical Sciences were supposed to have been invented by them and because of the proximity to the Current Arab World.

If it weren't by me you would be all a little bit dumber right now.


Menos,Menos...........
As for Maladroit being KKK, I dont think that he is KKK. GTY, with a different name!

Hey Abe, where's that n****r Historian these days??


Again, I am repeating: Niger=Black. According to what I know, in 1740, when the German settlers went to WV,they didnt know to spell English words correctly ,though they knew the meaning of Niger. They added another "g" to the spelling to refer to Afro-Americans. Over the centuries, the unscruplous policos started using this word to refer to the Black Americans with disrespect and put the blame on poor German Immigrants!. So boys, it is the fault of those poor Germans who went to WV in 1740 smilies/grin.gif
Joao
written by maladroit, August 14, 2007
"n****r" (and earlier variants such as neger or negar) derives from the Spanish/Portuguese word negro, meaning "black", and probably also the French nègre, which is likewise a racist insult derived from negro (the ordinary French word for "black" being noir). Both negro and noir (and therefore also nègre and n****r) ultimately come from nigrum, the accusative form of the Latin word niger, meaning "black".

In Colonial America, negars was used in 1619 by John Rolfe, describing slaves shipped to Virginia colony.[2] Neger (sometimes spelled "neggar") also prevailed in northern New York under the Dutch and also in Philadelphia, in its Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities.
maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
n****r" (and earlier variants such as neger or negar) derives from the Spanish/Portuguese word negro, meaning "black", and probably also the French nègre, which is likewise a racist insult derived from negro (the ordinary French word for "black" being noir). Both negro and noir (and therefore also nègre and n****r) ultimately come from nigrum, the accusative form of the Latin word niger, meaning "black".

In Colonial America, negars was used in 1619 by John Rolfe, describing slaves shipped to Virginia colony.[2] Neger (sometimes spelled "neggar") also prevailed in northern New York under the Dutch and also in Philadelphia, in its Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities.



You all got it incorrect,if I might say. The word "Niger" is Old Latin, which is as dead as Sanskrit.btw, for a few years, I got interested in the languages. Remember that French,Spanish,Italian and Portuguese are considered to be "Romance languages". Of course, the scholors forgot to include Romanian and other East European lingos.

The old Latin Word "Niger" is =Black. This word took diffrent spellings,pronouciations,connotations,etc; over centuries. The result: You have Nyegeira (Black Land),River Nyger (black River),etc; Of course, we have Rio Negro (in Portuguese) which is nothing but "Black River".In Portuguese, it is Nyegeria,but NIGERIA.

In effect, what I am saying is that if you know a little bit of Latin, you can appreciate the languages better, I mean the Romance Languages. English and German are very similar and the grammar is very different from that of the "Romance Languages". But if you know English and a German Settler in the Southern Brazil talks,loud,clear and slowly in German, the Brazilians who understand English can easily communicate to him. I am not kidding.
English...
written by brazilian dude, August 14, 2007
is an interesting language to learn because it is a hodgepodge of influences.Latin,German,Gaelic,and Greek all left their mark.
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2007
is an interesting language to learn because it is a hodgepodge of influences.Latin,German,Gaelic,and Greek all left their mark.


You are right again. English is not only an interesting language to learn,but also an USEFUL one to communicate with the entire world (especially, for Trade). The world is open when one knows English.
Maladroit...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Try and relax a bit. Your writing style denotes the serious possibility of the uncomfortable presence of some form of arthropodic lifeform lodged in an inextricable position within the confines of your rectum.It also leads inexorably to the image of an overzeaulously groomed library functionary meticulously covered in a milimetrically even layer of mucous membrane secretion.
Take it easy, buddy. This ain't a university lecture.
We really enjoy new posters, and really like to hear all points of view.That's the whole idea here. If I wanted to hear only what I think, I'd be talking to a mirror. The challenge of hearing other worldviews and analysing them to see what ressonates with you is a test in flexibility and maturity.Most of us welcome that.
Keep'em coming.
And let your hair down, so to speak. smilies/grin.gif smilies/cool.gif smilies/grin.gif
Brazilian Dude lectures on lecturing.
written by maladroit, August 15, 2007
There is only one world view and it is mine. To the extent that it is valid is my responsibility.

The word MILIMETRICALLY was not found, though it seems to have a neologistic esoteric usage.
'Word not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia'. Word usage and syntax is your responsibility.

Your comments that: 'We really enjoy new posters, and really like to hear all points of view and 'That's the whole idea here' are patronizingly amusing. Who are the 'we' of which you speak? Why do you not speak in the first person? And what do you know of what 'the whole idea here is'?

Perhaps you are Joao in disguise.
maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 15, 2007
Perhaps you are Joao in disguise.


No, Dude is not me in disguise. When he says "We", he means the "little old men in their white jackets,sitting in dark cubicles,using Google Earth to track down all the evil doers and deploy the Drones to destroy them". Of course, the little old men in their white jackets also wear black bow ties during the nights and moon light as waiters in top class restaurants in Brazil to supplement their meagre income.

Dont TRY to relax,but Please DO relax. Your posts are interesting and why not relax and keep posting.I like humorous and objective posts.
Wow! maladroit...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Touchy...
Such a pugilistic disposition...(don't know if that one exists either... but dang, it gets the idea across, don't it? smilies/wink.gif)
You actually looked up something I wrote?
Cool! I'm honored.
No, I'm not João... Spare the man! If he looked at all like me his missus would run away... smilies/grin.gif
"we" means some of the regulars... we kinda got each other's profiles by now.
This place here is bigger than any individual one of us... hence the we.
Lighten up.
Oh, yeah...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Neo-words are neat. Neo-devices are more!
Still gotta find someone to sink money in a production line of neo-cuecas, though.
...
written by bo, August 15, 2007
written by A brazilian
You deserve to be treated as a dwarf among men for being so ignorant.



First n****rs now dwarfs!!


What's next?



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Dwarves
written by Ric, August 15, 2007
Point is, he implies that dwarves get treated differently than non-dwarves. And in a negative sense, since he wishes that Mala be treated as such because he is ignorant. And he approves of dwarf discrimination.

Dwarf Discrimination is everywhere. Remember Dwarf Bowling?

This is [preconçeito] at its worst.
Climate
written by Ric, August 15, 2007
The lack of first world nations withing the tropical zone speakes for itself. No one made it up.

The human body can be made confortable only within a very narrow range of air temperature. The skin temp of the body is normally about 91.4 degrees F. When the body uses food it produces heat. This heat must be lost in the air or there will be a dangerous rise in body temperature. The upper limit of skin temperature for comfort is about 97 degrees. The lower limit is about 82 degrees. Man can warm the air in cold climates by means of fires and protect his body by means of heavy clothing.

In the Tropics all races of men suffer some discomfort. Some studies show that human growth is slowed down by high temperature. The body can´t get rid of the heat it produces. Climate also affects disease. Climate has always influenced the growth and decline of civilizations.

Most of mankind´s early civilizations developed along a line of 70 degrees F. average annual temperature.
A.Brazilian: "You deserve to be treated as a dwarf among men for being so ignorant".
written by maladroit, August 15, 2007
The reference should have been an intellectual dwarf. A.Brazillian is self damning. He is a hater of dwarfs and that would include black dwarfs. Being an equal hater of dwarfs regardless of ethnicity he avoids the stigma of racist. He is merely a dwarfist. An intellectual midget masquerading as an intellectual dwarf. A big gufaw for A.B.Normal.

Mala...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
I don't have enough info to agree or disagree about climactic influence on civilizations.However, personal experience with temperature extremes (hot and cold) in borderline situations (shared with others, in a group) left me the impression that it is harder to stay focused and keep up energy expenditure in overheated environments.
Obviously going below the 15°C range starts to really cramp up one's style, but adequate gear will solve that problem.
What are your personal experiences on that? (empirical observations count too...)
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written by maladroit, August 16, 2007
Having lived in the Hawaiian islands for a decade I observed that the indigenous souls are not obsessed either with work or getting ahead. Life is to be enjoyed, the requirements for existence are little. They are after all in paradise, it does not require anything for them to be in paradise. There is a general feeling of ease amongst Hawaiians. For non natives with different work ethics, derived from other climate zones, life is lived indoors, that is where the money is, for the Hawaiian life is lived outdoors, that is where the paradise is. There is no formal consciousness in Hawaiia men do not wear suits, an Aloha shirt is sufficient for all occasions. A suit is always out of place. There is an indifference to getting ahead, and by consequence they do not, they are about families 'ohana' not things.

'Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun'. But by going out in the noonday sun they acquired the world and lost their soul in the bargain. Where a culture is forced to find solutions in a climate that is hostile to life itself, there is a necessity for invention. With invention and the codification of societies that follow there is a development of complex civilizations. Another factor determining civilization which may also be construed as climatically related to weather, is water. Much invention evolves around the husbandry of water. Climate and variations of climate put pressure on populations and the pressure requires solution and these solutions become the manifestation of civilization. Civilization and climate comprise climatic anthropology.

Climate's Role in Ancient Chinese Civilization http://www.china.org.cn/english/2003/Feb/55500.htm

A suddenly cold climate about 5,500 years ago coincided with the advent of ancient Chinese civilization, implying some relationship between the two events, Chinese scientists said Monday.

Man is deficiency motivated. It is difficult to carpe diem when the temperature is at freezing, but in tropical climes temperature encourages life. Life is about living, not working.
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written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
Man is deficiency motivated. It is difficult to carpe diem when the temperature is at freezing, but in tropical climes temperature encourages life. Life is about living, not working.


An extremely interesting comment. Remember, doubting Thomases, in Tropical climates of modern days, we do have Air Conditioners,Fridges, Freezers. It makes life much better. As for extreme cold climates, we have heaters, thermal blankets, padded,jackets,etc; I dont have to tell ya all about the comforts provided by modern technology.

Ok, 5000 years ago,there were no such amenities.But now we do have. So there is no excuse for blaming the tropical weather for under development of any country. So wake up.

And I hope "Maladroit" is not really an old friend of ours "AES",since AES also lived in Hawaii. Mal, keep talking,we will discover if you are really AES in sheep´s clothes.
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written by maladroit, August 16, 2007
méé, méé
Maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
méé, méé


méé,méé to you too, lad smilies/grin.gif
Maladroit
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
So, in your opinion, how is BOVESPA, doing?
brazilian dude
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
Maladroit has to be terminated with extreme prejudice and that is an order. Is it loud and clear? Acknowledge the message, ASAP (unless there is a power outage in your territory and the government hasnt provided you with a Generator run on Ethanol)
Roger on that, sir.
written by brazilian dude, August 16, 2007
Recommend, however, prior to subject inefectivation, an information-collecting session with said subject by means of persuasive tactics making use of specialized equipment. The HE pliers, the Cuecas of agony, and a new, ultramodern apparatus: The helmet of recollection. A motorcycle helmet lined with dot-matrix printer heads, to which HeatedElectrified needles have been attached, one needle per matrix dot, activated by impulses furnished through a polyghraph.Every time the subject lies, the resulting polygraph register is sent to a computer which will then command a text to be "printed" upon the recalcitrant's scalp. Sequential lies will result in progressively longer texts, beggining with Haikus and ending in the 1986 edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica. Especially resistant individuals may eventually get up to the point of receiving the whole, unabridged version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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BTW
written by brazilian dude, August 16, 2007
Just visited the "violence in Fortaleza" thread. What a melee! Tempers have flared, heh? People are tossin' everything but the kitchen sink at each other. Ch.c, as usual, had a strong paticipation as the primacord of this particular detcharge. Holy canoli, whenever I read his posts I feel the need for an anti-rabies vaccine. The numbers he throws are bona fide; too bad they come covered in his hydrophobic, foamy secretions.Still, it makes for interesting reading...(in a macabre kind of way).
I wonder if he'd consider decaf? smilies/wink.gif
I know of this spot at the end of the universe. . .
written by AES, August 16, 2007
Bovespa is sound, it is backed by money, by surplus, by expanded trade and production, by a strong stable currency. Brazil is not tied to N.Y., the evemts are psychological. When Brazil realizes, wakes to the fact that it is dependent upon no one, that it is self determining and that it is self sufficient, then the vagaries of this market will be as substantial as smoke.

The market is played by brokers, buying and selling fear. The market does not reflect the strengths of the economy. Bovespa is undervalued, at 49,200 it is a bargain.
Hey, Mala...
written by brazilian dude, August 16, 2007
Ok, you make sense in part. Responding to challenges motivates us, especially when they are challenges to our Prime Directives (NO, Trekkies, not THAT one...).
Reproducing and Surviving, in that order.They are the basis of our genetic makeup. (If anyone has an issue with the order of priority cited, just try and remember how many parents would be glad to bite the bullet if it mant the survival of their offspring).
Climate is one of the primary theats to our survival. So we certainly respond to it(those who ignored it got a jolly good rogering in return - e.g. Napoleon and Hitler).
I have very little experience in Hawaii, but I did happen to live in the Xingu for a time. You basically have to try very hard to be able to starve there. The area is not all that hot (I've had incipient hyperthermia quite a few times.Some situations requiring extreme energy expenditures in amazon 40°Cplus environments in high humidity will degrade performance and eficiency to the point of uselessness in less than five minutes. This is official field data, BTW), and one can work and live in comfort. However, fish practically jump in your lap in the river, the jungle is teeming with succulent animal protein, manioc abounds...
The inhabitants have plenty of free time on their hands, which they use for social interaction, producing craftwork, sports, and maintaining traditional lore.
They are smart as they come, and absolute masters of their environment. The CIGS guys learned ALL of the tricks in their bag from the indians (except ordnance, etc, obviously).
HOWEVER.
They do not innovate. They are perfectly adapted;innovation would be dumb. By their own reckoning, they consider trying to change their civilization a waste of time, because it is absolutely not necessary.
As a matter of fact, we ALL have that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" impulse. And it is a very survival-wise one, too. The indian's techniques and procedures are the end result of a long series of dangerous hit-and-miss experiments in which the misses were fatal or nearly so.
Why risk your life to find an alternative to something that works well?
But if your environment severely limits you and/or puts you in direct competition with other groups, then the risk/benefit ratio alters.
Mind you, doesen't have to be the cold. It can be lack of water (Egyptians and arabs, guys?), lack of plentiful agricultural land, whatever. A challenge.
That's an idea. In it is implicit that the ethnicity or race is absolutely irrelevant.What IS relevant is the degree to which that ethnicity/race was challenged.
The Mayas and Aztecs didn't live in lands of plenty either.Was their extreme organization a response to this not-so-friendly environment? (Altitude,mountainous terrain?)
So maybe I'm tripping out here. Comments, ideas?
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written by bo, August 16, 2007
Dwarves
written by Ric, 2007-08-15 16:57:43
Point is, he implies that dwarves get treated differently than non-dwarves. And in a negative sense, since he wishes that Mala be treated as such because he is ignorant. And he approves of dwarf discrimination.

Dwarf Discrimination is everywhere. Remember Dwarf Bowling?

This is [preconçeito] at its worst.


Yes Ric, I remember......little guys tumbling down the talcumed hardwood and headfirst into the pins. Ah the horror, the horror!

Moving day today, don't know when my velox will be installed, they haven't even got the phone in yet and it's been 72 hours since I made the request, Telemar at it's finest. Thanks for starting this greatly unanticipated day off with a laugh!! smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
Brazilian Dude/Violence in Fortaleza
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
João: as you might surmise, trouble spots(sometimes on the border) are occasionally places I visit.(at ungodly hours and with NVG's, too.Shiit I'm too old for this!) Our violence starts there, with the absence of the State and porous borders. The stuff eventually fuels big-city violence too.Lawlessness in general derives from an absence of the State.


I saw your comment on the other thread.You are right about this issue of violence at the border.

Ernest Bartoldes wrote that article with one objective and our buddy ch.c went on a tangent and others totally forgot about the favorite place of Ernest. btw, I thought it was a well written piece and he is to come out with another article shortly.

You might enjoy another article "Brazilian Jihad" . It was a good one too.
AES
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
The market is played by brokers, buying and selling fear. The market does not reflect the strengths of the economy. Bovespa is undervalued, at 49,200 it is a bargain


I knew you couldnt resist replying to my post smilies/grin.gif
To João
written by brazilian dude, August 16, 2007
Ah, does that mean he escapes the Helmet? smilies/angry.gif
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
Ah, does that mean he escapes the Helmet?


Yes he does,now that I have managed to discover his real identity. Good friend of ours and his speciality is (Counter) Economic Warfare. He was trained by the French Sureté,thouh not completely. Wish he had had some training with our lads.

So, you better keep the helmet for future "Enemies of the Patria" smilies/grin.gif
Bo
written by João da Silva, August 17, 2007
Moving day today, don't know when my velox will be installed, they haven't even got the phone in yet and it's been 72 hours since I made the request, Telemar at it's finest.


Does it mean that you are incommunicado for another week (knowing well how Telemar works). I dont know how whether to smile or shed tears.

bty, since you worked for The Frontier Telecommunications and know a bit of this field,you should pay a little more attention to Telemar (Read about the scandals during FHC´s privatization program and how Telebras was broken). Who knows, you might end up buying Telemar!. Cheers,mate. You have lots of balls smilies/grin.gif
I'm hooked up!!
written by bo, August 18, 2007
Put in my request at 6 am Monday morning and the phone got put in on Thursay, they hooked up Velox around an hour and a half ago! But, I have to say, I know numerous people that work for Telemar here in my city, and Salvador, and I made several calls to people I know. If I wouldn't know the people I do at telemar I would wager it would be at least several more days....



Always good...
written by brazilian dude, August 19, 2007
to have friends.Welcome back.

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