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In Brazil, Graft and Fraud Are Just the Cost of Doing Business PDF Print E-mail
2007 - August 2007
Written by Jenna Schaeffer   
Friday, 10 August 2007 10:46

Brazilian project President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva returns home from his six-day five-nation trip that began Sunday August 5 and took him to Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua, Jamaica and Panama. Stressing his favorite subject, sources of energy-and in particular the sale of Brazilian ethanol (along with the topic of bio-fuels and alternative forms of power), Lula's trip was a triumph for Brazilian diplomacy and his compelling personality and persuasive charm.

However, it will only briefly mask the shameful state of Brazil's public life as well as Lula's treasonous acts against his own professed system of values.

After Lula was elected in 2002 by a commanding victory, Brazilians soon discovered the Faustian nature of the deal that they had unknowingly signed with their new leader. In exchange for orthodox economics as well as the rhetoric of leftist policies but not their realities, and bear hugs for such leftist Alexandrian figures like Venezuela's Hugo Chávez, they would get the makings of a full dinner pail.

What they weren't told was that every morning they would wake up to a new, increasingly tawdry scandal, which would brush by Lula ever so lightly, but never precisely enough to firmly embrace him. Brazilians soon came to live with the fact that under Lula, they were living under one of the most corrupt political systems in Latin America, even though they couldn't bring themselves to believe that their beloved leader had double-crossed them, it almost seemed that this hardly mattered.

This was because Lula had put some well-liked anti-poverty and social justice programs into place, jobs could be acquired, and they found his anti-imperial, Forest Gump-like persona good enough to win their plaudits.

But if Brazilians were prepared to have their hearts broken by facing up to the ugly facts besieging them - Lula, and the appallingly venal political system in which Lula had become such an ebullient player - then they were bought out for peanuts.

Instead of providing leadership, Lula charmed his followers and made them love him with the same kind of calculated, irresistible style of a rock star or a cinematic hero who were more faithfully relying on a stock formula than a midnight conversion.

Instead of struggling to do it the hard, but just, way of building permanent institutions that incorporated a democratic ethos, Lula wasted his talents on constructing a Potemkin village that was as false as it was deceiving.

A Betrayed Brazil Begins to Speak Out

His current trip has given Lula somewhat of a respite from the dispiriting crisis dogging his administration since the July 17 crash of TAM Linhas Aéreas SA jetliner in São Paulo, along with a demonstration in Brazil's capital last Saturday in which participants denounced Lula's government as corrupt, heartless and cheating (which went back months before the scandals began to mount). Police estimate that approximately 3,000 demonstrators participated in the march as they sang the country's national anthem and carried posters demanding Lula's ouster.

Although the demonstrators were relatively few in number, the fact that a protest movement was even mounted was an indication that Lula's magic is faltering. Despite the mounting crises at home, Lula's trip has to be considered a success, particularly the agreement of cooperation signed last Monday with Mexican President Felipe Calderón.

It included measures for the production of bio-fuels, exactly the kind of economic stride that manages to keep Lula's approval rating high, even though explosive revelations of corruption are slamming away at the basics of his administration.

Brazil's Scandals are as Notable as They are Plentiful

Since Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva took office in 2003, scandals galore, with names such as Hurricane, Anaconda and Vampire, publicly have invoked the names of judges, police commanders, members of Congress (including four da Silva cabinet members) and most recently, the President's own brother, all who have been scarred by the corrosiveness of corruption.

These woeful events have given the appearance that Lula's presidency has become a rout, having invoked the expectation that some kind of scandal would occur every day, with the reverberation of some reaching the highest levels of Brazil's institutional existence.

Although President Lula took office with a much heralded vow to distance his administration from Brazil's habitually dirty politics, under his rule, corruption, in fact has been maintained as a shrine to his personal deity: Saint Teflon. The best that his administration has been able to do is to unleash the relatively clean federal police to herd and corral the nation's tainted national, state and local police who usually only answer to the country's corporative and co-opted political system.

The scheme of the malefactors has been to protect tainted government officials, as well as guarantee judicial rulings which could be counted on to be habitually accommodating of white collar corruption. However, despite the surge of scandals that have come ever closer to tarnishing President Lula himself, amazingly enough, nothing yet has touched him personally and, not surprisingly, (due to the public's cynicism on such matters), he is still enjoying high approval ratings as minimal inflation, a soaring stock market and mainly cosmetic environmental adjustments have kept a lid on unrest.

Slot Machine Scams

A major scandal during President Lula's first term occurred in 2004 and involved his trusted assistant and former Chief of Staff José Dirceu, who was caught on videotape negotiating campaign donations from a crooked banker involved in extorting payoffs for candidates of Lula's Partido dos Trabalhadores (PT).

Although the government at the time was able to avoid a congressional investigation into the case, Lula's ruling PT Party's image as an ethical and honest party was gravely damaged. Moreover, despite the popularity of gambling in Brazil, Lula, together with the majority of the country's elite, remains opposed to its formal legalization, even though this position ignores the huge potential revenue which legalization could bring.

Perhaps, this is because bankers who engaged in illegal gambling practices predictably have provided clandestine funding for electoral campaigns in the past; offering financing that the campaigns would not have ever seen if gambling were to become a legal activity. The federal police believe that this illegal gambling ring was worth US$ 130,000 daily, according to some sources.

From Judges to Ministries: No Branch is Bypassed

Another scandal linking illegal gambling to a number of judges erupted earlier this past April. Among those involved was Supreme Court judge Pablo Medina, who was accused of receiving bribes to allow 900 slot machines, that earlier had been seized by customs, to be recovered by their importers, despite the fact that these types of machines had been outlawed in Brazil in 1946.

However, Medina was never arrested because his judicial status grants him "special rights" which only provides for common investigations of suspected embezzlers if these are sanctioned by the Supreme Court. His case will most likely be dismissed and he is sure to not see any time in prison. In fact, Medina is currently negotiating his retirement which, most likely, will be on a full pension.

Additionally, Mines and Energy Minister Silas Rondeau resigned in May over accusations that he received kickbacks for government contracts. His resignation marked the fourth time in recent years that a member of Lula's cabinet has been forced out of office over corruption allegations.

Rondeau allegedly accepted a $50,000 bribe from a construction firm that was hired to provide electricity to rural areas in Lula's "Lights for Everyone" initiative. In a broader plan dubbed "Operation Razor," police arrested close to 50 people, including a number of politicians, on suspicion of involvement with the siphoning off of federal funds from infrastructural and social projects in six Brazilian states (including in two of Brazil's poorest regions).

Authorities say officials received cash and gifts to steer contracts toward projects that were either overcharged or never built. Although there was strong evidence of their involvement, Brazil's courts failed to order the arrest of the three men because of their elevated political status.

These bureaucratic scandals, like the others that have beleaguered Brazilian politics for decades, rapidly come and go, making it difficult to separate one from another, but one can usually be certain that they will occur with absolute regularity.

Corruption in the Family

This June, another gambling incident has risen to the surface; this time the culprit is President Lula's brother, Genival Inácio da Silva, otherwise known as Vavá. Given the previous gambling scandal involving Dirceu, this new act of dereliction has to be supremely embarrassing for Lula, who recently was forced to defend his brother's alleged involvement with an illegal gambling ring.

Lula began to speak out on the subject with public remarks that praised the federal police for an "extraordinary job" in dismantling another illegal gambling ring. However, outside of this setting, Lula adamantly privately defended his brother, assuring all who will listen that Vavá "... has no involvement."

Representatives of the president's brother deny any wrongdoing, lamely insisting that Vavá was seeking a "loan" from the alleged gambling boss, not a bribe. Interestingly, the federal police have a recorded telephone conversation between Vavá and a suspected gambling kingpin, in which the former is demanding cash.

Telephone intercepts, that are part of a federal police operation known as "Checkmate," have led to the arrest of dozens of lofty names involved in this gambling scam. "Checkmate" is just the latest in a series of theatrically-titled scandals that have come to dominate the headlines of Brazilian dailies, which have gone a long way in clouding Lula's reputation, which previously was based on his "Teflonic" reputation for effortlessly being able to shake off scandals.

Juicy Scandals

Many of the scandals in Brazil involve enticing details that news sources lunge at, as they compete for the most lurid headline. One such case involves a close ally of the president, Senate President Renan Calheiros.

In May, a major Brazilian newsweekly reported that Calheiros accepted payoffs from a leading construction company  -  which now has stretched the corruption scandal into the innards of Lula's administration. The newsweekly Veja reported that a construction company paid rent on an apartment for Calheiros as well as a nearly US$ 6,000 regular stipend for his three-year-old daughter.

Meanwhile, the Senate has failed to adopt any indictment accusing him of being involved in the crimes, with Calheiros vehemently denying the accusations of bribery as well as refusing to take a leave of absence in order to respond to the formal accusations. His defense team is questioning the legality of any possible police investigation, citing his parliamentary immunity.

Additionally, the "Party House" scandal involved corrupt lawyers purportedly consorting with call girls. The powerful Finance Minister Antonio Palocci resigned in April 2006 after it was confirmed that he was among the merry-makers. Nor has the nation forgotten last year's "Big Monthly," which consisted of monthly cash-for-votes bribes and which involved a political aide who was detained at an airport with $200,000 stuffed in his pants and luggage.

Then there was the "Bloodsuckers" affair where members of Congress were implicated in kickbacks linked to the purchase of purposely overpriced ambulances. With no shortage of details, such high profile acts of venality have dominated Brazil's front pages for the past few years, to the shame of many Brazilians, but not all.

Immunity Laws

Unfortunately, in the face of these rampant scandals, lawlessness in Brazil undermines the hard work of some elements of the federal police because it benefits a category of corrupt government officials to the detriment of the entire nation.

The fact that congressmen, government officials and judges possess parliamentary immunity is one of the main reasons corruption remains so tempting, and operates at such a high level, despite efforts by the Brazilian federal police, and the use of new transparency tools to uncover corruption scandals.

Since 2003, the federal police have turned up numerous corruption schemes on the way to arresting over 5,000 people, none of whom were high-level serving politicians at the time. The main legal privilege granted to serving politicians is that they can only be adjudicated by the Supreme Court. Appeals can be made which clog up the court docket and in many instances will prevent judges from reaching a final verdict.

Brazil's self-protective judiciary also ensures that only a small percentage of the over 1,000 civil servants and judges arrested in recent months by the federal police were ever actually investigated after being picked up.

According to Latin News, "in over 40 years no case of impropriety against politicians being judged by the Supreme Court has resulted in a sentence." Thus far, in most of the scandals, the serpent in the grass has been government funds being siphoned off by means of overpriced contracts with private contractors.

These projects are usually granted without a proper tendering process in exchange for illicit pay offs. Although Brazilian authorities promise an overall reform of this policy of "privileged" treatment every time a corruption scandal breaks out anew, these putative reforms never end up materializing.

Brazilian Politics: A Quagmire of Corruption

The present epidemic of scandals in Brazil is partly due to institutional shortcomings such as widespread patronage, lack of accountability and oversight, and federal dominance of the less sovereign components of the political process.

Even if scandal-scarred politicians lose office because of their complicity in illegal practices - as many have - an inefficient judicial system ensures that most of those thought to be culpable of such crimes are able to easily evade prison.

Brazilian prosecutor Mário Lúcio Avelar explained: "To stay in jail in Brazil, you must rape, murder, confess - and have a bad lawyer."

However, Lula has an alternative explanation. He argues that the onslaught of official misdeeds reflects enhanced police detection, not more frequent transgressions. Even amongst the muck and mire surrounding Lula, a new poll last week indicated that 48 percent of people still believe the government is doing a good or a very good job.

Hopeless as this appears, approval is still high in spite of a welter of corruption allegations against Lula's friends, associates and allies, with the economy as well not exactly being a bastion of public rectitude.

According to an opinion poll published by the National Transparent Confederation, Brazilians are pleased with the country's strong economic performance, improved wages and social welfare programs. Additionally, there is a belief among men in the street that many of the dirty deals affected by officials close to the administration would not have been examined at all if it had not been for Lula's expansion of the two agencies that have uncovered most of the scandals.

Even after such a tortured explanation of Lula's motives, corruption still could end up undermining Lula's second term ambitions. The unavoidable discrediting of his political cronies threatens to enfeeble the president's already fragile governing alliance.

Furthermore, public works fraud alone could undercut his grandiose infrastructure -  including regional projects that involve the energy sector that impact oil, gas, ethanol, biofuels and electricity projects. He also wants to develop the transportation industry which includes automotive, railway, maritime and aerial transport categories.

However, the allocated funds do not seem to be filtering into these development projects; rather, with predictability, they is more often than not being "re-routed" in the form of bribes and "loans," as well as directly into the pockets of politicians.

Although parts of the federal budgeting process have become more transparent and the staffs of both the auditor general's office and the federal police have grown by 50% since Lula took office - both happy signs - it is still almost impossible to gauge whether the increasing number of investigations is reducing levels of corruption.

World Bank surveys like the Governance 2007 Report show that most people perceive there is more corruption in the government now than was the case 10 years ago. Furthermore, the attempts at reform have been increasingly hampered due to Brazil's intensely politicized executive branch that directly distributes government posts to the party faithful, as well as within publicly-owned companies.

This system of corruption is engrained in Brazil's administrative make-up and costs taxpayers billions of dollars annually in bid-rigging and other crooked practices. It has been suggested that corruption costs Brazil as much as US$ 21 billion yearly due to doctored contracts granted through a "fixed" system including rigged bidding.

One study has estimated that about 10 percent of federal money destined for municipalities has disappeared due to graft. According to the NGO Transparência Brasil, "Corruption is calculated, and corruptors take advantage of the state's bureaucratic disarray to profit."

Is there an Alternative?

Although there are political alternatives to Lula's PT, such as Partido do Movimento Democrático Brasileiro and Partido da Social Democracia Brasileira, corruption in Brazil is not a practice associated with any one particular party, but rather can be seen as endemic to the political system as an integrated entity.

The Brazilian Magistrates Association maintains that "immunity means impunity" for politicians and says that this is the reason anti-corruption controls in Brazil are almost irrelevant.

Without an effective regimen of punishment to hinder corruption, a system of rigged bids and fixes will only continue increasing in the near future, further debilitating clean and effective government in the process.

This analysis was prepared by COHA Research Associate Jenna Schaeffer. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org - is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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Allo....allo....allo....Brazilians Junkies.....
written by ch.c., August 11, 2007
....Where are you.....how are you ....after reading the sad realities ???????.
Just about the same ones I have written time and again in this forum for the last 4 years.

Stop acting and thinking like Ostriches.
Stop singing like chicken and s**tting like cattles.
Stop gazing.
Stop caressing your navel 24/7

Brazil is a medieval and archaïc country. A true Tropical Mud. A Banana Republic.

Your only expertise is in corruption, lying, cheating and hiding, in just about everything you do and say !
OHHHHH......
written by ch.c., August 11, 2007
And brazilians are so certain about their superiority....that they lag ALL developing countries in the economic growth rate.
In most world rankings, Brazil is at or near the bottom in many comparisons stats. But Brazil is so proud that it doesnt even acknwledges
or recognize, but forget on purpose, such bad comparisons rankings.

And the worst of the worst......is that you re-elect time and again these corrupted to the roots politicians.

Free to you to stay in your muddy system, but please please dont try to export it or impose it to us !

We have a clean future...yours is dark !!!!!


ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
Brazil is a medieval and archaïc country. A true Tropical Mud. A Banana Republic.


Shut up ch.c. If it is a tropical mud, why did you buy a large piece of land in BA to grow your beloved BBC.

Explain, please.

btw, what is your opinion about the exchange rate next week (U$/Reail). AND COME OUT WITH ANY BULLs**t.
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written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
AND COME OUT WITH ANY BULLs**t.


Sorry, I meant to say DONT come out any bulls**t
Jenna
written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
In Brazil, Graft and Fraud Are Just the Cost of Doing Business


Must congratulate you for an excellent article. Graft and Fraud are driving up the cost of doing business in Brazil, though.Hope there are many Brazilians like me coming out with some good comments.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
We have a clean future...yours is dark !!!!!



You really sound ominous and sinister.You been watching too many Star War movies?
good read post other places
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 11, 2007
why dont we reed this in every news paper in the country
Ho that is right the press has no right to speek to the people about real matters
just the fluf and how bad the US is treating the brasilian people
how grate Cuba is
There are a few good guys...
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
out there.Prosecutor Mario Avelar is one of them. A soft-spoken, calm guy who is nevertheless very firm in his convictions. He's aged a lot these last few years, and I guess being serious about your job (especially his) in Brazil can do that. He was already targetting the slot machine mob back in '99,and knew what he was getting into. "Those guys are serious.The slot machines are just the money laundering tools of a lot of deeper stuff." The guy said that with a grim,lopsided smile... but with a twinkle in his eye. Three years later he hed busted the mob's knees and had a million-real contract put out on him, and had to be placed in a protection scheme.And still, he found the means to bust the Sudam and Sudene groups!
Knowing there are guys like him on our side is good.
The bounty's off, and he now has gone back to going to Copenhagen coffe shops.
I guess João would have liked to meet him.
We got a lot of work ahead of us.
Ch.c
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
Some of us have been around a bit, and are as professional as we are deadly serious.The objective of exchanging information is networking.To what end, you say? Hell, we'll see. So if you want to throw in some useful info, spit it out.Invective is all very well for venting your bile, but it is non-constructive.Think about it.
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written by bo, August 11, 2007
There are a few good guys...
written by brazilian dude, 2007-08-11 02:33:42
out there.Prosecutor Mario Avelar is one of them. A soft-spoken, calm guy who is nevertheless very firm in his convictions. He's aged a lot these last few years, and I guess being serious about your job (especially his) in Brazil can do that. He was already targetting the slot machine mob back in '99,and knew what he was getting into. "Those guys are serious.The slot machines are just the money laundering tools of a lot of deeper stuff." The guy said that with a grim,lopsided smile... but with a twinkle in his eye. Three years later he hed busted the mob's knees and had a million-real contract put out on him, and had to be placed in a protection scheme.And still, he found the means to bust the Sudam and Sudene groups!
Knowing there are guys like him on our side is good.
The bounty's off, and he now has gone back to going to Copenhagen coffe shops.
I guess João would have liked to meet him.
We got a lot of work ahead of us.


About the slots here in Brazil, several years back I was living in a different apt. building than I am now and the guy that was living in the penthouse was from Rio and was the owner of numerous casa de nicqueis all throughout Rio. Everytime I talked to the guy I always thought there was more going on there than just nickel slots. He had a TON of cash, over a million reais just in cars that he had with him only here in Aracaju, I can only imagine the ones he had in Rio.

Also, years ago, dated a girl for a while from Caruaru in Ceara, her old man was/is the owner of all the slots and bingos in the entire state, and also many of them throughout Alagoas and Pernambuco. Scary guy as well.

According to Latin News, "in over 40 years no case of impropriety against politicians being judged by the Supreme Court has resulted in a sentence." Thus far, in most of the scandals, the serpent in the grass has been government funds being siphoned off by means of overpriced contracts with private contractors.


It's truly mindboggling. It's not only understandable, but couldn't be described any other way than to say, "Brazil is not a serious country". The old French guy was right.


Brazilian prosecutor Mário Lúcio Avelar explained: "To stay in jail in Brazil, you must rape, murder, confess - and have a bad lawyer."


And there ya have it. With realities like this is it any wonder why Brazil is the favored destination of criminals from around the globe?
And yet...Bo
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
There's also alot of money to be made here.The country scrapes along despite all its drawbacks.That indicates an awesome potential.Otherwise investors like yourself wouldn't be here... Being on the inside, I'd be leery of sinking money here. What brought you? How come not invest in the U.S.?
There is money..
written by bo, August 11, 2007
to be made here, no question about it. A piece of beachfront property we purchased a little over 3 years ago has inreased in value by 300 %....believe it or not. But the buerocracy and corruption, "custo brasil", is a huge drawback. If I knew 4 years ago what I knew today in regards to making a foreign investment here I would've never done it, my partners have made the same statement.

What brought me to brazil was my brazilian ex-wife. What keeps me in brazil is my daughter with my ex-wife, as well as our investments, which I decided to make, along with my partners, after my daughter was born. Saw I was gonna be here for a while.
Ah, well...
written by brazilian dude, August 11, 2007
Kids are IT. But don't you think of taking your daughter up north?
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written by bo, August 11, 2007
She lives with her mother who is brazilian, who thinks that Aracaju is the end-all in places to live. She wouldn't trade it for the world. Would love for my daughter to study there. My ex has agreed to let her study there for a semester here and there until she graduates high school. At least she'll get to know the U.S. and the people. When she's ready to go to college then it's my daughters decision on where to study. Would love to see her get a college degree from an american university and then she can use it wherever she wants.

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written by non Brazilian, August 11, 2007
There is corruption in Brazil - has anyone said otherwise? Has anyone posted anything to claim that it is not serious? No.

But what about the self righteous north of the borderites, can they seriously claim that corruption is a uniquely Brazilian problem? no way. Corruption is a fact of life in USA but has been legitimised and when caught the penalties have been laughable.

The special interest groups in USA and lobbyists PAY BRIBES to politicians to ensure their business benefits. For a law to be passed in USA senators are BRIBED to support it.

And who are these CORRUPTERS?

The Gun lobby: They give MILLIONS in BRIBES to keep weapons in the hands of anyone with a drivers license.

The Tobacco Lobby: Paid BILLIONS in BRIBES.

HMO´s: In the sicko movie we see the money the health insurence companies pay to CORRUPT POLITICIANS
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written by non Brazilian, August 11, 2007
Those politicians that accept the bribes and support the HMO´s are given high paid jobs when they leave politics.

This is corruption.

Get down from your pedestal and tell us what you are doing to stop corruption in your own country?

US corruption has been here in South America for far too long: The right wing military governments were PAID for by the US government, when will you send Kissinger down here to face trial?

How corrupt was it to pay for Bin Laden to become a terrorist, he learned his trade from the CIA. National Darwin award might be deserved.

The US is bribing and being bribed by Uzbekistan while torture is carried out on a grand scale on political dissidents.
Non Brazilian
written by João da Silva, August 11, 2007
Ok.Now I get it. You are not an Italian nor an European.Keep posting.Uzbekistan? I dont think many Brazilians and Americans would know where this country is (probably with the exception of the Dude, Bo, Forrest and myself).

The game is afoot,eh,Mr.Non Brazilian? I am all ears.btw, I dont think you are an Islamo -Fascist,either.

Another curiosity on my part.You in the InfoTech field?
or is the foot in the mouth
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 11, 2007
kids grow up faster than we grow old .

while there is rong done in every country . it seems to be personafide in
and it is expicted in all cases from the street vendor to the president

so if you torture a few to save hundreds what is so bad about that

the goverment of brasil tortures the entire population every day dont you think
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
the people of Brazil voted in more or less the same way as the USA and get screwed accordingly. Presidential democracy is inherently corrupt.

The people of Brazil have been suffering for quite a while not just with this government. The recovery from the military years has been slow which brings us back to Kissinger, send him down for a visit, a lot of families would love to see him here
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
"However, Lula has an alternative explanation. He argues that the onslaught of official misdeeds reflects enhanced police detection, not more frequent transgressions. Even amongst the muck and mire surrounding Lula, a new poll last week indicated that 48 percent of people still believe the government is doing a good or a very good job. "

Lula may be unpopular with professionals in Brazil but the majority see benefits to their lives. Unemployment is down, interest rates are down, imported goods at lower prices mean access to goods only the rich had before.

What is supposed to be worse under Lula?
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written by Ze da Culatra, August 12, 2007
non Brazilian

With this kind of attitude, you fit in very well in Brazil. Just because there is corruption in the USA, Europe or any other place doesn't man that we need to accept it. Brazilians seem to be ok with all the corruption in Brazil and when someone brings it up, they usually throw out the "there is corruption everywhere". They do the same for crime even though, the murder rate in Brazil is one of the highest in the world.

Please us a favor, since you fit in so well, move to the morro do alemao and enjoy yourself.
Ze da Culatra
written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
Brazilians seem to be ok with all the corruption in Brazil and when someone brings it up, they usually throw out the "there is corruption everywhere".


A very good comment! We certainly dont have to follow suit!!

Zé , I know what is culatra in Portugués.The correct translation into English is " Recoil",right? Enlighten me, please
It's "breech", Joao
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
"Recoil" is "recuo", vulgo "coice".
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
it never ceases to amuse me when someone when they hear something they don´t like, suggests that the other person should leave, pathetic, it merely displays they have no argument.Are you pathetic Ze or just ill informed and inarticulate?

What are you doing to stop corruption in your country? Still paying cash for a small discount? Getting your software in the same box as a parrot and eye patch?

The murder rate in Brazil is high, hardly surprising given the size of the cities and the general level of social exclusion which is not new and few seek to address.

Do please try to make a sensible point. Political corruption is a fact of life in Brazil, it is the 300lb gorilla in the room that everyone talks about which suits everyone just fine. By always talking about the gorilla you can avoid dealing with your own responsibility. The problem is always someone else, never me, my family or friends. Its always someone else that buys second hand car parts from a dubious source, drives with no lights, ignores traffic signals, doesn´t pay fines etc.
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
"Furthermore, public works fraud alone could undercut his grandiose infrastructure - including regional projects that involve the energy sector that impact oil, gas, ethanol, biofuels and electricity projects. He also wants to develop the transportation industry which includes automotive, railway, maritime and aerial transport categories"

This same criticism is no less applicable in USA: Bridge maintenance does not win votes so people die.

Presidential Democracy has failed both Brazil and USA.
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written by Ze da Culatra, August 12, 2007
Joao,

Voce ja ouviu a espressao "o tiro saiu pela culatra"? I think you are right about the meaning. It is some type of recoil.

Non Brazilian

Eu sou mineiro uai. Pra que voce ta trazendo os EUA pra conversa? Estmaos falando do Brasil. Penso que voce esta provando minha observacao. Somos obcecados em fazer o que os outros estao fazendo, nao importa se e bom ou mal. Os politicos agora ja tem uma desclpa pronta pra proxima vez que uma tragedia acontecer. Ta vendo caiu uma ponte nos EUA, este tipo de coisa acontece em qualquer lugar.

A respeito da taxa de assassinato no Brazil. Para de querer defender esta situacao. Nada justifica a situacao de seguranca publica no Brasil.
Sobre culatra
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
O recuo (coice) da arma de fogo é "recoil". Já a culatra(a extremidade posterior da câmara de contenção do cartucho e da pressão dos gases resultantes do disparo) é a culatra. O tiro sair pele culatra é quando um defeito da arma(geralmente microfissura no aço da culatra) permite projeção retrógada dos gases - um "breech rupture".
As for using other country's faults to justify our own's: it is as ridiculous as using another individual's behavior to excuse ours... hey, he is aliar, a cheat and a murderer, so why can't I be?"
Pathetic.
We must worry about OUR faults and correct them.Let others do the same for themselves.Finger-pointing is childish,dumb and plain useless...unproductive.
Other's mistakes, as well as their triumphs are lessons to be learned from.
"The wise are those that learn from the mistakes of others, without having to commit them themselves"
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written by bo, August 12, 2007
This same criticism is no less applicable in USA: Bridge maintenance does not win votes so people die.



LOL...what a stupid twat! Bozo, you've made so many incorrect statements since you've been posting here it's difficult to take you seriously, and I was serious when I asked if you're related to "Abe Razillion", because he has the same style. Attempt to justify the injustifiable and making unfair, not to mention unrealistic, comparisons.

Did you know that the U.S. has 4 million miles of paved roads? 4 million miles you ignorant ass, think about it. The U.S. has THE MOST in-depth highway system in the WORLD...bar none! Much better than the entire continent of Europe. Do you know how many miles of paved road Brazil has?? Aproximately 70,000!! So, the U.S. has approximately 60X the amount of paved roads that exist in all of Brazil, yet Brazil is larger than the continental U.S.!! So one bridge collapses, less than 10 people die....it happens. Even in the best of countries. In the worst of countries you don't have interstates, you have roads that are filled with potholes, they're dangerous to drive at night. You have the highest death rates by automobile crashes that exist by U.N. statistics. Get my drift?

Tell me again, how does the U.S. compare in "quality of life"? Not very well 'eh??


What an idiot.

Eu sou mineiro uai. Pra que voce ta trazendo os EUA pra conversa? Estmaos falando do Brasil. Penso que voce esta provando minha observacao. Somos obcecados em fazer o que os outros estao fazendo, nao importa se e bom ou mal. Os politicos agora ja tem uma desclpa pronta pra proxima vez que uma tragedia acontecer. Ta vendo caiu uma ponte nos EUA, este tipo de coisa acontece em qualquer lugar.

A respeito da taxa de assassinato no Brazil. Para de querer defender esta situacao. Nada justifica a situacao de seguranca publica no Brasil.


You have no idea how refreshing it is when I read, or get to meet, brazilians like you, João, dude, etc. I know they're out there, I actually have one, maybe two, here where I live. But the rest......it's unreal. It's like they go to a school that specializes in geography....specifically that river in Egypt, "De Nial". smilies/wink.gif
To Joao..........
written by ch.c., August 12, 2007
No I dont !
But brazilians should should stop watching your fairty tales in the TV.

If you want to compare my country with Brazil, lets start with some comparisons metrics :
- Switzerland population 7,5 millions, Brazil 190millions ! Right ?
- Switzerland 2006 exports US$ 166 billion, Brazil 137,5 billion.... or on a per capita basis : Switzerland Us$ 22'133, Brazil US$ 723 !!!
Or 30 times more...on a per capita basis !
- Switzerland 2006 imports US$ 162 billion, Brazil 91,5 billion....or on a per capita basis : Switzerland US$ 21'600, Brazil US$ 476 !!!!!
Or 45 times more....on a per capita basis !!!

Ohhhh but that doesnt include the services sectors....yet. Such as tourism, banking, insurances and re-insurances to name just a few, which is reflected in the Current Account :
- Switzerland US$ 50 billion, Brazil 13,5 billion. On a per capita basis ; US$ 6'666 Brazil US$ 71 !!!
Or 94 times more...on a per capita basis !

Country Budget 2006 :
- Switzerland US$ 141 billion, Brazil 244 billion. On a per capèita basis : US$ 18'800 Brazil US$ 1284 !!!
Or 14,5 times more....on a per capita basis !!!!!!

Above sources : CIA worldfactbook !!!!!!!!!


Dear Joao, stop being an idiot ! Wake up ! Even Thailand has a higher GDP per capita than Brazil if PPP adjusted. Their exports.on a per capita basis is nearly 3 times MORE than Brazil !!!!!

Feel free to chose any metric of your choice, publish them and provide your sources.

Curiously we dont read here as much boastfulness as Brazil does.
- Our inflation is well below Brazil.
- Our unemployment rate is below 3 % by now.
- Cars, TV, mobile phones, DVDs, Ipods, PCs, and just name it (except food) are cheaper here than in Brazil, despite we have many times your income even based on a PPP basis (to help you somewhat).
Did you know that the Mac Ipod is the world most expensive....in Brazil ? Study made by an Australian Bank and easily found by just surfing the Net ! Article Published in the medias....ALL OVER THE WORLD....except in Brazil ! Guess why. Regular way of brazilian way of life to hide the sad truth !!!!!!!

Yesssss....Joao...if Brazilians want a lesson or two of how to increase exports, become more wealthy, to have top notch education, top notch infrastructure, excellent healthcare.......just follow the examples of successful countries....such as mine or any other of your choice.

Yesssss Joao.......stop singing like a chicken and s**t like a cattle. And stop acting like Osteriches....by puting your head in your World Famous Mud !!!!!

But keep working hard. Double or triple your sugarcane production. Same for grains. Same for Orange juice, coffee, mamona, charcoal, iron ore.
More poverty....guaranteed....over time !!!!!! This is just basic commodities with no or very little added value !
ch.c.
written by bo, August 12, 2007
I'm actually one of your "defenders", although no one can disagree that your style is "harsh", to say the least. I get harsh as well to those that deserve it, but João is one of the handful that recognizes these attitudes in Brazil. We need millions and millions more João's, brazilian dudes, and Ze da Culatras here in Brazil!!!!
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written by non Brazilian, August 12, 2007
My initial responses were directed at those north of the border who seem to view Brazil as the calendar girl for all things bad yet can´t see that January is a cheerleader who enjoys swimming and was born in Idaho.

Of course Brazilians should criticize, you should protest and campaign a lot more than you do, but I see too much attention to the BIG things that happen outside our control and little attention to the small things that affect our lives.

The tax system needs an overhaul but doing this meets resistance from so many quarters that it will still take years. More péople need to be brought into the formal economy but at the moment that can´t happen.

The solution to violence is closed comdominiums, higher walls, gates, security and big dogs. No mention of increased investment in Education or the need to reform the whole education system.

tO Brazilian dude and bo !
written by ch.c., August 12, 2007
Is saying the truth being harsh ? Not in my view ! Hopefully I shake the roots and not the surface only ! smile
It is like.... Carlos the idiot......who doesnt like when one bashes against Brazil...but shut his mouth, curiosuly, when Brazilians bash against America or the EU !

but I must acknowledge something : hopefully brazilians in a certain way will remain idiots ? Why ? Because there is always a ton of money to be made when your suppliers are idiots.
In dealing with brazilians, it is like a chess or poker game. Just compliment them of how good and great they are at the game even when you see them cheating ! And then you put them in a checkmate !

As you know I have been very critical about sugarcane ethanol for a while already ! And right I was ! Ethanol prices went down 40 % even in Brazil, in the last 18 months, while at the same time oil went up. Simple proof that ethanol is not in competition with oil. Otherwise ethanol would have gone up too. This was another great Brazilian cheating, lying and hiding of the simple truth !
Facts being very simple : OVER PRODUCTION......as Brazil enjoys doing time and again ! They just canibalize......themselves,,,,once more !!!!
They were and still are highjly critical against ethanol from corn (American corn....obviously) but guess what !
Brazil is building mills to produce ethanol from corn and biodiesel from soyabeans . By 2010 15 % of their soyabeans production will be transformed to biodiesel !!!!!! Obviously.......they dont do it with much fanfare around the world.....so that the look less stupid than they are !
Do Brazilians have a logic they can keep for more than 24 hours ? Not in my view ! They always do the opposite of what they say ! Just look at Lula. And Brazilians betray always their trade partners, by trying to get Special Favors.....in their favor....of course !
In 2005 and 2006 Brazilians grains farmers could not repay their debts and asked subsidizes from the government. Between 2004 and 2006 farm land prices in Brazil went down by 50 % and even by up to 72 % in Mato Grosso, but the government kept being proud of their increases in exports !!!!!

The exact same situation is going to happen for the ethanol and sugar cane farmers/producers ! Billions and billions of US$ have been invested by sugar and ethanol producers/ farmers. Doubtful they could repay their borrowings just the same as the grains producers were unable in 2005 and 2006 !
Just look at the stock price of Cosan. Down 50 % from 18 months ago while the Bovespa went up by well over 50 % !!!!!!

But with a big smile, and in confidentiality, starting next week I am going to buy slowly but surely on a timing basis, shares of that company at below Reals 30.- and will keep accumulating on a timing basis rather than on weakness only !
There has been rumor several weeks ago that the company may be bought out by Archer Daniels Midland which did not come true.
But it will eventually wether from ADM or another company. At times of weakness there is always consolidations of companies to reduce costs and increase productivity ! Time will tell ! -smilies/wink.gif))))
Ch.c and Bo
written by brazilian dude, August 12, 2007
It's not about being harsh or not.No matter what anyone writes, I won't see it as harsh.
A 7.62x51 is harsh.A12' bowie is harsh.Semtex is harsh.A 10-gauge is harsh.
OK, maybe my worldview is a bit on the rough side, but let's get real: most of the regulars here are pretty thick-skinned.Comes with age.
It ain't about harsh. It's about EFFECTIVE.
If you're actually spending time and neurons to read, and comment on the stuff here, there's gotta be a motivation, an ojective.
Let's think this through.
Bo, you live here. you obviously like the place, and a lot of the people.And, let's not forget, you have a kid here. So, obviously, you would like to see this place improve, go forward, get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21rst century.Part of you is Brazillian.You are partly one of us.
You wanna see people come to their senses and get their head out of the clouds, face the facts.
So you write.If your daughter doesen't manage to free herself of the emotional shackles that hinder her, and decides to go to college in Brazil, you want the best possible future for her.So here you are, screaming at the top of your lungs to try and help brazilians take off their blinkers.
Brazil runs in your veins now.
Ch.c, you wouldn't be wasting time here either unless you had some emotional motivation.You get ticked off by what you see here in Brazil and want others to be indignant too.
If that's your objective, your tactics are being innefective. Us old, scarred, squint-eyed types aren't at all affected.And the new, casual passerby to this blog will see you as a frothing maniac on a soapbox.
Give us a hand, here,mate.Let's get the other, casual readers to think, and not to reject us outright because we are seen as brazil-phobes.
It's quite the opposite.You know it.
This site is starting to bother the yes-men.Otherwise Mr journalist wouldn't have gone to the trouble of writing here.So I suggest we all step back, take a deep breath and think about what we want others to think when they read us. Hits are increasing.
This is a a tiny part of the whole, but it MAY contribute to helping a few others broaden their worldview.
Let's get crackin'!
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written by casabda, August 12, 2007
Very good posts by all!!
I live in Bermuda where our lifeblood is now supplied by the worst of the bllod-sucking global industries - re-insurance and catastrophe insurance - Far worse than the aging tourism that made us famous. Our politicians are equally as corrupt as any and are swimming in a sea of money while our average citizen still tries to stay on the right side of the law and pay for an adequate lifestyle. My wife is Brazilain and my son has dual citizenship, I intend to retire in Brasil to avoid the stark choice of pet-food dinner or health insurance that faces our seniors here today. The choice to eliminate corruption will only start from the bottom up and hinges on education and rapid communication. I have great faith in Brasil and have seen enormous changes in the 10 years that I've experienced. People must break away from the expectation to get something for nothing and see that if they benefit from some illegal action or system then they are part of the problem - not the solution. I know what your thinking - easy for you to say gringo, just try to live here and you'll see!!! Well I intend to and will do my best to ensre that my social circle and family are aware of my values. Thats all you can do really.
Keep shining the spot-light of criticism on the dark spots of your government and you force the evil to recede.
Tchau amigos.
7.62 has worked fo me in the past and maby again
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 12, 2007
I would call it the matriculation affect from what the people in business see the leaders of the country doing and getting away with it , for so many years they just carry it on into the private sector .

and it just keeps going down hill ,
  and i Brazil's case has been part of the society and culture for 500 years from the kings to military dictator ship to the present Democrat form of government .

they have granted themselves gifts , forgiven each other for ought right crimes too the people and the laws of the land ,

now the big business people look at them selves as the lords and take advantage of every thing they can from pay offs to police and politicians ,to paying the hired help as little as they can to get by with as they keep the government from raising the minimum wage .

too the point of reverse engineering there products just to see what it would take to get by with it .

It has started to show in all the democratic countries as all the self interest taken by the politicians and bib business has caused a lack of spending on interscutra , has started breaking down and it shows from things like roads , bridges , electrical grid , all phases of the transportation industry. hospitals , schools . sewer, water,

and now the people are taking a very close look at those in charge of there lives and don't like it . what they have to live like and how the ones they elected live .

the do as we say so , attitude of the rich and politicians
because we say so , as the police enforce the laws of the land no matter how unjust they are.

As i see it we as the people of the world need to stop the new kings , from spending out taxes on themselves ,
to take back the house of power and give it back to the people .

this can be done if the people would rise up and demand the right to vote on things like the pay for there politicians , with on money in it thees people would not work for free .

to put those whom broke the law in jail for a long time , and take away there money and lands .

make them live like the average person from there state , county , city ,village

they must use public health , transportation , all of what they work to give the people

 
To the American Idiot......Bo ! With his 4 millions miles of paved roads
written by ch.c., August 12, 2007
May I suggest you to review your source...or your education ?
To my knowledge, basic of course, 1 km is far shorter than 1 mile ! Right or not !

Thus your 4 millions miles should be 4 millions....KILOMETERS !!!!!

SOURCES : CIA worldfactbook.

This said it is also well known that American paved roads are overall neither in great maintenance conditions nor made of top quality !

On the other hand, no one can disagree that 4 millions KILOMETERS of paved roads are 40 times higher than the 100'000 kilometers
of Brazilian paved roads with millions and millions of potholes. Some so large and deep that Brazilians put trees in them to warn people. And still others as large as swimming pools so that shortly Brazilians will stop going to the beach for holidays but will swim and meet in these new free swimming pools !
No doubt they will create a new fashionable trend......!

smilies/smiley.gif)))))))) and smile !!!!!
Hey you f**king idiot!
written by bo, August 12, 2007
Do you have downs syndrome? OK, sorry, I said miles when I should've said kilometers. Still, the U.S. has 2.5 million MILES of paved roads. And, if you want to compare europe to america it is NO COMPARISON is quality!

Now, if you want to make a comparison to your country that is the size of pennsylvania, than go ahead....I'm laughing!!!))))))) smilies/shocked.gifsmile))))!!!!!!!!!!


Ch.C!!!
written by bo, August 12, 2007
You would turn Christ into an enemy!!! I was one of your defenders!!! But you are a f**king Swiss Miss, yooodeeelayhooooo hot-chocolate drinking IDIOT!!!


How's the banking system? Numbered bank account anyone?)))))) smilies/grin.giflaugh, laugh, laugh


smile, smile, smile



grin, grin, grin



smilies/tongue.gif smilies/tongue.gif smilies/tongue.gif(my best "leave it to beaver" imitation)

what a f**king moron.
Ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
To the American Idiot......Bo ! With his 4 millions miles of paved roads


Not you again, with your Xenophobic temper tantrums.

To my knowledge, basic of course, 1 km is far shorter than 1 mile


This is the first time I have heard you confessing that you just have basic knowledge and that is a good start.

Of course, 1 KM is shorter than 1 Mile. One KM is 5/8 th of a mile,in case you didnt know.

Bo, you got into a big trouble with Ch.c,by complimenting him.Now, he calls you an American Idiot! btw, he knows his numbers. Dude and some smart Brazilians have a big file on him.

Never ever compliment Ch.c smilies/grin.gif
B.Dude/Joe Breech
written by João da Silva, August 12, 2007
Thank you friends for translating "Culatra" into English. It is Breech, how could I forget the right word. There again, I blame it on the old age (not on the Americans!). One of the side benefits of being in this blog is to not to let your English get Rusty. One thing I noticed was that Zé Culatra posted a message in Portuguese to "Non Brazilian" and I thought it was good too,because most of the "Gringos" in the blog can understand the written Portuguese and comment back in English. The idea is to bring in more people to address important issues that affect us all who live,pay our taxes and are either citizens or permanent residents of Brazil.

I also noticed that "Non Brazilian" has also started giving suggestions and is slowly getting into "Constructive Cricisms". He is a new comer and has not read the comments of our regular bloggers. I am sure he would be able to contribute too.

Bo, thanks for defending us in front of Ch.c. It appears you are his latest victim!. He is a typical Swiss JUNKIE and INCORRIGIBLE,though Ric says he is improving ,though the progress is slow!!. But as I said, he is good with numbers and stats are indisp**able.He has a good grasp of what is happenning in the farmlands of Brazil.

Dude,your comment about this site starting to bother yes men like Mr.Journalist is very true.But he forgets that we are "Cold Warriros" and people like us can certainly react also.Remember what the famous quote of Brig.Moreira Lima (the Ex Air Force Minister in Sarney´s government)?. He said: O povo brasileiro é pacifico,mas não é submisso.

So lets not clap hands and say that we are doing much better than Haiti and hence proud of our accomplishments. Remember the famous quote of AES : Those who go with the masses are walking in the opposite direction.
Only those that have never...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
been to Haiti can think there is anything positive about being better than them (most brazilians, of course). Haiti is INCONCEIVABLE. It is HELLISH. When I see our country and Haiti put in the same sentence, I shudder.
It is truly beyond the imagination. There is a general gag order for those that come back from there, so as to not raise too many questions about what exactly is the point of our troops being there(its about as significant as farting in a hurricane), and also so as to not bring to light the true number of deaths (27 in three years, the official number, is more akin to the weekly toll, or, on calm periods, the monthly toll.).
We really should stop trying to compare ourselves with anywhere but the best places, so as to learn. We gotta aim high.
To:Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
It is truly beyond the imagination. There is a general gag order for those that come back from there, so as to not raise too many questions about what exactly is the point of our troops being there(its about as significant as farting in a hurricane), and also so as to not bring to light the true number of deaths (27 in three years, the official number, is more akin to the weekly toll, or, on calm periods, the monthly toll.).


You got my point.Why are we there? Of course, I ask this question, whenever the Brazilian press talks about our GNP growing at a slightly better rate than of Haiti. I have known about the country,since I was a kid. First, Papa Doc, next Baby Doc,then some one came and went to seek asylum in the central African Republic. Baby Doc at least got asylum in France. Now you tell me that there is a gag order. The whole thing sucks and I dont think we are there to teach them Democracy. Keep Talking.
Brazilian Dude (AND)
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
Why are we sending our troops there when our flanks are wide open (I mean from Chavez).It does amuse me when so many Brazilian bloggers both here and in other newspapers are criticising the American presence in Iraq and ignore ours in Haiti. Sergio Vieira de Mello was totally forgotten (remember him?). The Swiss had to place a Bust for him in their country (I think it is close to where Ch.c lives) and another citizen of ours J.J. Vasconselos had to be exhumed from a mass grave in Iraq (with the help of the U.S.Marines) and to be brought home.

Are we in Haiti for rebuilding that Nation? It doesnt make sense to me and I am sure it doesnt to you either.
Haiti: a GoFu from the start.
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
(GoFu is highly technical parlance for "Goat Fuuck"...) smilies/grin.gif
The gag is on our tactics and the collateral damage derived therefrom.
The place is a warren of slums, in which we don't have maps or an adequate snitch/turncoat collaboration (despite trying to "convince" some guys by "persuasive argumentation" - yeah, torture, guys!)
Whenever we have to enter the territories controlled by the opfor of the day (there is more than one gang), the spec ops guys (which spearhead the thrusts) use kill-'em-all rules of engagement.
The places are a mess, with civilians running around among the combatants, and obviously getting wasted.
All armed enemies are to be pacified. No prisioners. And if there is anyone in a tactically sound position resisting our advance, well, then, blow him (and whoever is in there or around him) to fuucking smithereens!
Practical example: sniper in water tower. We do not have contersnipers, and can't get near the bastard.Hell, frag the the fuucker with an AT-4!
Obviously, when that was done, the tower came down. Did anyone else get "pacified" as a result? Who gives a shiit, nobody checked.
The Haitians help by not caring about these incidents and therefore never complaining.To them, it's just another day in hell.
How did you think...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
we managed to keep our losses so low? And become so "respected" (official word) by the locals? They very well know that when the Brazilians come, it's eiter get the hell outta dodge or take a dirt nap.
As for Chavez...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
Our REALLY TRAINED troop numbers are less than 5000 men (the rest are green recruits and privates which don't train for lack of ammo, fuel ordnance, etc.A typical soldier will fire 15 training shots A YEAR). Therefore, for the kind of stuff we do in Haiti, we got the muscle, but if Chavez came on to us, we would be up shiit creek without a paddle.
To:Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 13, 2007
Therefore, for the kind of stuff we do in Haiti, we got the muscle, but if Chavez came on to us, we would be up shiit creek without a paddle.


This is precisely my point,Dude. We are very good in Haiti,from what you say (and from what I know). You are right about Chavez also and our preparedness to receive him. Why is he arming his nation to teeth,when we dont pose any threat to that maniac? Are we going to receive him with flowers after being impressed with his "awe and shock" strategy. I think it is high time the good members of our "Clube Miltar" start paying a little attention.

And your read on our new Minister of Defense? No white wash please.
Brasilian dude
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 13, 2007
Why when the US was in Haiti to stop the same thing brasil is in there for
when we killed someone brasil was one of the countries that said we were wrong .
BUT
it is okay for your military to do such things
who died and made the brasilian military masters of the golbe .

as far as Chaves going after brasil well he would last about 24 hours
before Columbia and Peru would go after him and for your info the US navy could be off the waters of chaves world in
a day at the most not to mention about 2.500 marines , from cuba and PR and we over fly chaves entire country at will
any day we want .
and look at this most of our military have fought at least one year in Irqu firing several thousand rounds and not liking chaves
in the first place because of his trip to Iran and his out right hatred of the US
and then if we had to stop him from hurting brasil we would be blamed by castro for going after his oil
not stoping a war .
In 4 months chaves will start receiving part of the arms he bought on his arms buying spree a few months ago
you know new rifles , jest, rockets , bombs , and a few fast attic navey ships with missel to go

just call 911 USA
Whitewash?
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
smilies/cheesy.gif Ha! I'm not really the guy to do that... smilies/cheesy.gif
This guy is obviously a no-holds barred political climber, who will do whatever Bin Lula says. He is the president's wetwork boy, and is trying to look the part of "competent administrator". He has done the govt's dirty work before (know what I'm talking about?My guess is you do...).
The suckers with shoulderboards (gullible, sorry to say. De-balled, remember?) actually trust him, and believe he will give them the importance they deserve. NFW.
He is ONE of the options for presidential nomination.
Dangerous fella.
FORREST ALLEN BROWN...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
I never said I thought what we do in Haiti is OK. In fact, I think we should bug out, double-time.
Our "reasons" to be there are pretty screwed up.The real deal is a long story.
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written by bo, August 13, 2007
So here you are, screaming at the top of your lungs to try and help brazilians take off their blinkers.
Brazil runs in your veins now.



Yeah, you're right about that. Just wish that the numerous sergipanos would see it that way, because 99% don't. They see it as some gringo criticizing them.
Dumb on their part.
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
You got a kid here.No way that wouldn't affect you. Ah,heck, xenophobia is tough anywhere.
Anyways...
written by brazilian dude, August 13, 2007
think about what I said in terms of "effective". We gotta bring around as many as we can to try and see what we do.Shooting from the hip is fast, but gets you a lot of misses. We gotta try and do things sniper-style - well-thought , cool words to get one shot, one kill.
(ha. sorry for the wierd comparisons. Force of habit. But I guess I get through, nicht war?)
if you line them up right you can get two
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 14, 2007
go to the poor and show them
how life could be if they got what they and there kids were owed
not just a box of dry food and a free tee shirt every 4 years

not habit but survival in the world of the thousand yard stair

been there done that
neeed to do it again
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written by Ana P., August 14, 2007
Bo keeps critizing Brasil but yet he is there exploring the labor and ripping off gringos and Brazilians alike when selling his properties. Especially in the Northeast, I bet he pays next to nothing to the workers and they have no health insurance. He is there to milk as much as he can off Brasil. He doesn't give a s**t! He is just pissed because he miss his double whopper, King of the Hill and the KKK meetings.
That's why I say again and again: Brazilians milk as much as you can off the US and go back home and live a good life because they will do the same to us when given the opportunity. smilies/wink.gif
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written by João da Silva, August 15, 2007
Brazilians milk as much as you can off the US and go back home


When they come home,they will find that they are under the command of El Hugo smilies/grin.gif
Ana Paula...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
So you mean it's allright for Brazilians to rip off their countrymen instead? Is your indignation at the ripping off, or at the whole context which allows and encourages the ripping off be done? And when a Brazilian takes advantage of this context, what is your opinion about it?
I really would like to see a more in-depth post on this by you.
Tell us what you think.
As for his not giving a s**t... Hmm, even a warty old skeptic like me might think that having a Brazilian daughter just might affect his outlook somewhat...
Water separates him from the US.
Blood joins him to Brazil.
Dicey, heh?
Brazilian Dude
written by João da Silva, August 15, 2007
I really would like to see a more in-depth post on this by you.
Tell us what you think.


You are too new to this blog,Dude. She has posted before and we all know her life story. If she posts again,please do answer her.
Allright.
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Still curious, though. What exactly did she mean? :-
And "answer her"? She didn't ask anything :-
Can you give me a heads-up on this one?
dude...
written by bo, August 15, 2007
Ana is pissed off because she's a brazilian living in the U.S. that hooked up with an american guy twice her age to get a green card....no big deal, maybe it is love. But for her to talk about someone using anything...well, the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind. Also, here's the kicker. She talks about how much love she has for her brazilian family and young son, yet she's a stripper in America!! And what type of man would allow his wife, the mother of his child, to strip?

I can understand, to some degree, why there are so many prostitutes in Brazil. But to be a stripper in the U.S.?? Sorry, no justification. Just too many opportunities. Too easy to make money...honestly.


And to you Ana...

Brazilians milk as much as you can off the US


Maybe not you, but your illegal buddies are scared....aren't they? The Fed's as well as local law enforcement is putting the squeeze on. Better make certain all your documents are in order. American authorities don't look kindly on illegals working in whore houses...errr, strip clubs, which are known havens for drugs and prostitution. Ohh, sorry, almost forgot, the strip club YOU work in doesn't have these problems......they have camera's there!!!!
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Prediction
written by Ric, August 15, 2007
The immigration problem will be resolved by tripod mounted, 375 H&H units with Mauser action and Ackley cartidges, at some point in the future. It will be the wrong thing to do, and it won´t be pretty. But at that point and only at that point will illegals begin to understand the Gringo and what makes him tick.

Up until now, they don´t. Of course the ones that go down first will never even hear the report, at a mile away.
Ric..
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Strange choice.Unless used by vigilantes, and not official units.Caliber's a logistical nightmare,besides not having enough mass and trajectory for the mentioned range.Typical well-trained shooter would be hard put to hit the side of a barn at that range if weather conditions aren't perfect.
And never on a tripod. Bipods, ok.
The Chocolate Mountain Uprising of 2012
written by Ric, August 15, 2007
Well, I stand corrected. The thought was not that these would be official units, but everyday joes.

Don´t sell short the fire-formed 375 H&H, though.

Once again, I´m predicting but not recommending.
It is a possibility.
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
Heard of "volunteer militias" that have taken upon themselves to "patrol the border". Could evolve into that, if not reigned in time.That would be bad for everybody.
Hope it doesn't come to be.Will depend on Americans being smart about the immigrant situation before it becomes even more antagonistic than it is.
Once again...
written by brazilian dude, August 15, 2007
The solution lies in brains, not brawn.
The "chuck norris school of politics" only works on film.
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written by Ana P., August 16, 2007
Cheap shot, Bo! That's what I expected from someone going to a 3rd world country to explore cheap labor and make a buck.
That's highly unethical and disgusting!
Ana P
written by João da Silva, August 16, 2007
Cheap shot, Bo! That's what I expected from someone going to a 3rd world country to explore cheap labor and make a buck.
That's highly unethical and disgusting!


No, it wasnt a cheap shot. The cheap shot really came from you,by calling our country one of the 3rd world countries. I am really disgusted with you. I really dont think you pay any attention to the posts of Bo. He is not looking for cheap labor,but competent one. I really think you were born in one of those "Cú do Mundo" in the Northeast. Wake up, woman before it is too late.
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written by Ana P., August 16, 2007
Brazil is a 3rd world country. We do have a lot of problems but the solution is not criticism. My dad always said: Fala muito, faz pouco. I am not from the Northeast but I found it very beautiful. I am from a very small city "onde o Judas perdeu as botas" in the interior of Rio/border of Minas Gerais but I closer to Rio and also spend a lot of time in Rio.
I love my people deeply and my background since I was raised being a poor farm girl. 99% of the poor in Brazil are very honest people that are trying just to survive day by day and I have witness with my own eyes guy like Bo ripping off Foreigners that come to Brazil to live(some of them really truly love Brasil and want to escape the fast pace lives back in the own countries).
Selling overpriced property is not helping any of Brazil's problems.
I know very well types like Bo. He probably despise poor Brazilians and avoid any contact thinking he will contract the poverty desease and I bet he hires them for very little money and they have no health insurance either. Is he helping anyone but himself?
I am in the US working because I want a better life for my family in Brazil and want to retire very soon. I sure wish I could make millions like Angelina Jolie and do something about my country problems especially when comes to the children but if I am not able to that I will do voluntar work to help and do as much as I can within my means when I come back.
In the meanwhile I don't complain about things and I don't point fingers at people. Playing the blame game doesn't change anything.
If Bo really wants to change why he doesn't voluntar to charity on his time off? Peharps donate food and toys by X-mas time? A cesta basica for a few families?
By the way I used to that along with my classmates even when I was poor. We used to donate some food and also go ask for donations in the rich areas so we could give to the very poor and toys for X-mas. Also coats and jackets for the homeless. it doesn't take a lot to change the world everyone just have to do a little bit.
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written by Ric, August 16, 2007
Really got thrugh to you, didn´t he? Because in your heart you know he´s right.
Ah, you're back.
written by brazilian dude, August 16, 2007
I have seen Brazilians ripping off their countrymen and sending the money to foreign banks.What about them? What's their excuse?And more importantly, how do we put'em in the cole,cole groun'?
(sorry, this last one wasn't for you.Just thinking too loud)
She doesn't know Bo!
written by bo, August 16, 2007
I love my people deeply and my background since I was raised being a poor farm girl. 99% of the poor in Brazil are very honest people that are trying just to survive day by day and I have witness with my own eyes guy like Bo ripping off Foreigners that come to Brazil to live(some of them really truly love Brasil and want to escape the fast pace lives back in the own countries).
Selling overpriced property is not helping any of Brazil's problems.


First Mrs. Assumer, we're selling our properties to BOTH foreigners and Brazilians. How and why? Because our prices are THE market prices for the homes we're building! Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am a huge advocate of "foreigners rights" here in Brazil of not getting "rippped off"!

Matter of fact, myself and a portuguese friend of mine, who recently opened up a wonderful restaurant on the beach, are in the process of forming an organization for foreign investors here in Aracaju! This organization will perform many of the functions that foreign consulates would for business investors. We have formed alliances with honest and competent lawyers, architects, accountants, etc. to recommend to the "newcomer" here in Aracaju. So you see my little assuming stripper friend, you couldn't be more incorrect in your assumptions.....once again!

Your game is easy to figure. Since I pointed out to you, and everyone else here, the blaring obvious in regards to your reality. You're pissed. So you make assumptions, and naturally the worst possible. I don't have to make assumptions in regards to you. You've already spilled the beans on yourself. Have gone as far to show the tacky, silicone-filled photos of yourself.

A stripper in America.....WOW! Great achievement there Ana!! And doing it for your son no less!! So you can spend more time with him?? LOL!! Sure as hell he'll appreciate that much more than you making money honestly and being a mother that he can respect and look up to.
But Bo Knows!
written by bo, August 16, 2007
I am in the US working because I want a better life for my family in Brazil and want to retire very soon. I sure wish I could make millions like Angelina Jolie and do something about my country problems especially when comes to the children but if I am not able to that I will do voluntar work to help and do as much as I can within my means when I come back.


Just brainstorming here, but how 'bout starting an annual Ana P. "Strip-A-Thon"!!! It could kinda be like the Jerry Lewis Telethon but your proceeds could go to help illiterate hookers in Brazil! Get some of the girls together and you all can strip for 72 straight hours!! We can contact Oscar in Sao Paulo and maybe he can help you get it televised in the U.S. and Brazil. Your family would be sooo proud!!!


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written by Ana P., August 16, 2007
Market prices LOL. You can find very beautiful houses in the Northeast for the fracture of the price you are selling. You are ripping off naive foreigners that come to Brazil and want to live there and since they can't speak Portuguese and look for a honest real estate agent they fall for "gringo pricing". Believe I know better than most since people like you tried to rip off my hubby also the Elite Brazilians try to do that often since they speak English and can get a foreigners trust quickly.
At stripper comments LOL, Bo.
You did not answer my questions about charity work and volunteer work that you do. Also you didn't answer the questions on your workers: How much you pay them and if they have help insurance along with having they work card signed to get full retirement benefits, sick days and settlement pay if they get hurt while on the job.

P.S. About the illegal immigrants: The US doesn't care about them because they are doing the same thing you are doing: Exploring cheap labor. They can hire them for way way less than hiring a legal with no benefits or health insurance. When I put my son in school I saw they taking people that were illegal also they will give free food for illegal kids. As long people are profiting from it they don't care. It is sickening...
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written by Ric, August 16, 2007
I´m sure your services would be a bargain at a fracture of the price.
Com' on RIc
written by Simpleton, August 17, 2007
AP said she was looking to retire soon. No doubt you've seen the fotos so you know there is no high price to be commanded and now there is a question of whether chronological age is / has been fairly representative. Frankly, I myself preferred a mature mulher to an angloish speaking huckster but to say she'd fracture her family relationship for any prince rico o pobre is just plain mean spirited. It's not like you OM.
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written by Ana P., August 17, 2007
To Simpleton: I am doing very well financially thanks for asking. At 24 years old I have accomplish more than a lot of people in their 40's not only financially but emotionally. I am not your typical young girl and I do not find myself gorgeous but others do, maybe because of my distinctive features not found around here. I was dorky girl growing up not a Patty , I was focusing more on reading, learn English and my intellect than on my appearance. I was an ugly duckling until I was about 18 and my face and body has changed a lot after childbirth. Now I more womanly and I like what I see in the mirror unlike before and other notice that. Confidence is very sexy... Also I have more to offer when comes to conversation that's why I do very well as a dancer. Most of my patrons are articulate, early 30's to early 60's, businessman, well dressed and well traveled than enjoy the company of a dynamic woman that has more to offer than just looks.
Looks can always be changed with plastic surgery but you can't give someone brains. The thing with you guys in this board that you cannot accept that I am Brazilian with a poor background and I am smart and witty also very funny if you get to know me. I take pride on learning new things everyday and I have knocked down so many stereotypes.
My mother used to say to me: It dioesn't matter how a beautiful wrap gift looks in the outside if there's nothing in there. No one will want a empty box.
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written by Ana P., August 17, 2007
P.S response to the mean spirited comment:

'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me'
But they sure can limit your upward mobility
written by Simpleton, August 17, 2007
Worse yet, your most precious connections (i.e. your children) won't likely be entierly oblivious after the age of 3 1/2 / share in your view point about what you do or did / be somehow blockaded from ever knowing. I think you understand that this is something that might stilt their thinking one way or another. Of their own personhoods, brain power, etc., etc., in their own middle ages they will either blow it off, excel above and beyond such need to debase, or succum to scum and descend much lower in stature than you have achieved. No matter where you are in the totem pole / what you do (or don't do), all three of these possibilities exist. Mens will do what mens have to do and mens are all dogs - it's sokay for them, just hope your kids don't take a liking to such. Ultimately having a rich mamae to take them away from such fiscal enrichment mechanisms nor one that doesn't have hangups with such things as (and I'm just guessing) 50% of the population probably does, isn't much of a defense.
Ana Paula
written by Ric, August 18, 2007
Almost forgot, we have an event coming up and wonder if you have a line on wholesale ping-pong balls. Thanks a bunch.
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written by bo, August 18, 2007
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written by Ana P., 2007-08-16 10:19:50



Hey jerkoff, the ex-governor or this state is approximately 30% into a housing condominium 4 kilometers from mine, he is building, and has sold ALL 56 houses he had projected, 100% to Brazilians, and his houses are the same "padrão" as the houses we are building and he sold them for the exact same prices that we are selling ours for which is 350-450K reais. Our houses are over 240 M2 and have swinning pools, and the condominium is beachfront!!! Do you know what the owner of one of the largest construction companies in Salvador told me last week?? He said, "Bo, if you built this same project in Salvador these homes would sell for 600,000 to 700,000 reais!!! Matter of fact, I'll be raising my prices soon as CVC just got approval last week to build a resort 3 kilometers from my land!!

As far as my exployees I have very few "direct" employees. Most of my employees are "indirect". In other words, I contract companies, and Brazilian companies at that!

As far as my "direct" employees are concerned I pay them ALL at least 2X minimum wage with the exception of my gardener and maid, which I pay the maid 500 reais per month and the gardener 600 reais per month, and their card is signed....naturally. You need to keep in mind Ana, I'm not Brazilian, I'm an American that doesn't like to see injustice, to myself nor to others, hence you can understand how it's difficult for me here sometimes....n'eh?

So, in closing, don't forget to bring your glitter lipstick and KY to your "job" this evening, it being Saturday night and all!
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written by bo, August 18, 2007
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written by Ana P., 2007-08-16 22:29:27

Looks can always be changed with plastic surgery but you can't give someone brains.





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written by bo, August 18, 2007
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written by Ana P., 2007-08-16 22:29:27

Looks can always be changed with plastic surgery but you can't give someone brains.



And you're living proof!
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written by non Brazilian, August 18, 2007
I am curious about the amount of construction in the North East, what is the basis of the investment?

I helped an acquaintance buy an apartment, 400k - she was happy with the price, paid in Spain.
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written by bo, August 19, 2007
Almost forgot, we have an event coming up and wonder if you have a line on wholesale ping-pong balls. Thanks a bunch.


she would ruin a blowjob
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 20, 2007
all need to remember
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID

as the world grows and people explor the investment in realstate around the world
you can bet the poor will be screw out of there land by brasilians with money to sell to
gringoes .

look at Beliz and the mexican coast very few people can own land along there coast as the goverment has placed such high taxes
they have to sell out . while the rich get richer the poor get screwd yet again

I have looked at 600 hectors along the amazon river bank for sale to build a safe haven for the wild life and build an eco tour base for river trips
just have some safty ideas am dealing with .

no phones , on computers , TV , just good food lots of walking swiming site seeing

no whors , drunks , or drugs , nice calm music to get you in the mood for a nights sleep

the decompressor as i would say
Safety first,heh?
written by brazilian dude, August 20, 2007
MMM, I bet some of your safety measures include claymores and punjab sticks. smilies/grin.gif
Great idea on the jungle retreat. Count me in as a candidate for being a guest. smilies/cool.gif
P.S., don't shoot me on sight, I swear I'm not an S2 puke smilies/grin.gif
Bo
written by Ric, August 21, 2007
Yes, I forgot about the paddles and the net. It probably works like this: Ana gets the ping-pong balls, the gentlemen get to use the paddles, the house gets the net, the whole thing is really gross.

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