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Caipirinha with Curry: Brazil-India Growing Ties Worry Washington PDF Print E-mail
2007 - September 2007
Written by Alex Sanchez   
Monday, 10 September 2007 08:43

Brazilian president Lula visits India It shouldn't be a surprise that India is extending a widening presence in the Western Hemisphere. With Washington focused on Iraq and its "War on Terror" in other parts of the world, Latin America and the Caribbean have become candidates for meaningful political and economic relationships with a number of emerging global powers, like India.

Latin America and the Caribbean are zones of interest to the world's powerhouses, which means that India will have to push its way by other interested parties, like the European Union, Russia and China, aside from the U.S. in order to establish a serious presence on the continent.

So far, it has made good progress towards this goal, but much is left to be done. What is clear is that Brazil will be the centerpiece of New Delhi's geopolitical aspirations in the Western Hemisphere, due to common visions and or grandiose schemes like nuclear energy cooperation, shared interest in ethanol, and a mutual desire to be awarded a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

Trade agreements, high-level diplomatic visits and growing investment projects signal New Delhi's increasingly bulking presence on the continent, and exemplify the fact that India is here to stay.

Brazil

When it comes to Latin America and the Caribbean, New Delhi's most important relationship and main country of interest, is Brazil. This is not surprising, as both of these huge nations share common interests and their economic profiles almost look like mirror images of one another.

Among the numerous similarities between Brazil and India are that both nations have emerged to become the gentle giants of their respective regions, which has prompted policymakers in both capitals to begin to have global aspirations.

The two countries see themselves as the representatives of the developing countries in Latin America and Asia respectively, and out of this still tentative setting they have quietly embarked on what essentially could be seen as a launching of competitive campaigns (if the expansion of the UN Security Council is very limited) to obtain a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

In addition, both countries have a nuclear history, and today continue to tease with the idea of becoming major nuclear powers. India, of course, already has a small nuclear arsenal and a military edge due to its longtime dispute with Pakistan. Lastly, both Brazil and India have rapidly growing economies, in part due to their fast burgeoning populations.

On July 23rd, Indian Business Insight reported that Brazil and South Africa, both members of the Nuclear Suppliers' Group, had agreed to sign a nuclear civilian power agreement with India In July, Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee hosted a day-long talk which was attended by his Brazilian counterpart, Celso Amorim, and South Africa's Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma.

"The meeting of the foreign ministers is also a prelude to a trilateral summit in South Africa in October," an official from Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's office told Agence France Presse.

The three nations also created the India-Brazil-South Africa Dialogue Forum (IBSA) in September 2006, when their respective leaders met in Brazilian capital Brasília and urged the rich nations to yield somewhat on overheated trade talks.

The leaders are calling for the UN Security Council to be expanded and add more permanent member seats for Africa and Latin America, as well as another for Asia. A June 26th article in the Financial Express highlights the convergence of trade interests between Brasilia and New Delhi:

"Some immediate examples are sugar, soy and wood [...] Brazil is a very strategic partner that today shares a lot of strategic and political goals with India, does not have territorial conflicts over land or sea and finds itself outside, like India, to the dominant political power structures in the world sharing more common ground with India than with these structures. Brazil's prowess in sugar and Ethanol is already known. What is yet unknown is Brazilian potential to be a major supplier of wood and wood products to India and the rest of the world."

A June 3rd article entitled "Why Brazil Matters to India," carried in Indo-Asian News Service, points out that "it is India's search for alternative energy resources [that] can make Brazil [the] world leader in biofuels like ethanol - a crucial linchpin of its quest for energy security."

Moving from the domestic to the international scene, India and Brazil have evolved as "major voice[s] of moderation" regarding world politics with their two-trillion dollar economies transforming their strategic ties across diverse areas.

No wonder that India's Ambassador to Brazil, Hardeep Singh Puri, was brought to say that "if Brazil and India can take a position together on an important global issue, no one can ignore it." Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva visited India for three days in early June, demonstrating the growing ties between the countries.

Among the numerous examples of different interests and projects closely tying the two growing powerhouses, is the relationship between OVL, India's dominant oil company, and Petrobras, Brazil's state-owned energy giant.

The two companies are collaborating in oil exploration, and in addition, the Chennai-based Paramount Airways has collaborative ties with Embraer, the leading Brazilian manufacturer of civilian aircraft, and plans to add another 51 Embraer planes to its existing fleet of five. Furthermore, India and Brazil have signed an Audio-Visual Co-production Agreement.

India and Brazil have staked out a somewhat ambitious bilateral trade target of US$ 10 billion by 2010. However, it is not only Brazil that India is out to befriend in the hemisphere. New Delhi is returning to historical and ethnological links, as well as aggressively using its newly-born economic dynamism and its available foreign investment capacity to attract new friends, even some of which are not necessarily to Washington's liking.

Guyana

Guyana seems to be India's main interest in the Caribbean region, due, of course to Indian Guyanese making up the majority of the small South American nation's population. A somewhat comparable condition exists in Trinidad, where large numbers of descendants of Indian immigrants can also be found.

An August 17 report by the Caribbean Media Corporation quotes the president of Guyana, Bharrat Jagdeo, praising the Indian government for its contributions towards his country's growth. "I acknowledge with appreciation the development assistance which Guyana has received from the government of India over the years. This valued assistance has been in various sectors and served to enhance national capacity to promote development."

The statement was made as part of remarks made at the celebration of India's 60th independence anniversary from the U.K. Also attending the celebration was India's High Commissioner, Avinash Gupta, who said that "the seed of our relationship, which was sown by the first batch of Indian indentured laborers in 1837, has grown today into a big fruit-bearing tree and today's generations in both countries are enjoying its fruits."

Other reports indicate India's interest in assisting Guyana with its developmental thrust through the provision of funding from the Export Import Bank of India (EXIM). In addition, India has been providing medical treatment to poor Guyanese children.

Cuba

Cuba and India have extended a renewable energy cooperation agreement to 2009. Vilas Muttemwar, India's renewable energy minister, said that the agreement will help consolidate and integrate Cuba's strategies for hydroelectric, wind, thermal and photovoltaic solar power generation.

"Cuba can count on all our support," Muttemwar said, adding that India, the world's fourth largest nation in wind-power electricity generation, would also offer study grants to Cubans under its Indian Technical Cooperation Program. Cuba is the only Latin American nation to have a renewable energy pact with India, which was signed in 1998.

India is a nation that is increasingly emerging in the U.S.' line of interest, due to the nature of its economy, its geographic location which allows it to bridge eastern and western Asia, and its geopolitical advantage with proximity to Central Asia, Pakistan and China.

Meanwhile, given that there is no sign that Washington-Havana relations will improve anytime soon, it would be of interest to know what Washington policymakers think about the potential New Delhi-Havana relationship, which is likely to broaden and deepen in the near future. This makes Havana ever more unassailable to U.S. efforts to isolate the Castro Regime.

Central America and Mexico

Guatemalan foreign minister, Gert Rosenthal, traveled to India from August 25 to the 31st. During his six-day visit, he held talks with the sub-continent's minister of state for external affairs, Anand Sharma. According to press accounts, the two officials discussed deepening the dialogue and vows of cooperation between India and the Central American Regional Group, known as Sica.

Sharma visited Guatemala in June 2006; on this occasion, he announced a line of credit of US$ 10 million to Guatemala, and an increase in the number of annual ITEC scholarships from 7 to 15 per year. India's exports to Guatemala totaled US$ 73 million in 2006, while imports were only US$ 3 million.

But New Delhi would like to upgrade the pace of trade. For example, India has set up an Information Technology Training Center in Guatemala run by Tata Consulting Services, India's largest software firm. In addition, the Reliance group is reportedly exploring the possibility of constructing a refinery in Guatemala, according to a recent report by the Indian publication, The Statesman.

In May, India and Mexico signed a Memorandum of Understanding to set up a bilateral high level group (HLG) to explore, among other issues, the possibility of a preferential trade agreement (PTA) to improve bilateral trade between the two countries.

The Statesman has reported that high-level ministerial authorities have been involved in the development of bilateral trade arrangements, with both countries keen to achieve the trade target of US$ 3 billion. Additionally, Tata Consultancy Services, has announced plans to hire 5,000 personnel in Mexico over the next five years to serve its clients in the U.S.

Canada

A January 14 article in the Financial Express evaluated the workings of the Canada-India Business Council (C-IBC) which had been set up in 1982. Canada had imposed a freeze on strategic aspects of trade after India's 1998 series of nuclear tests, but relations have improved since, especially after a draft nuclear agreement was signed between the two countries in September 2005.

India's trade with Canada is currently around US$ 3 billion. The article goes on to point out existing aspects between India and Canada that have facilitated relations, like their mutual membership in the Commonwealth and the predominance of the English language in India. The fact that India possesses major mineral deposits, for which Canada has the expertise and technology to effectively exploit, is another issue for consideration.

At the same time, Canada's automotive sector "is suffering," while India can provide inexpensive Trinidad labor for the industry. An example of the potential that could come from close Indo-Canadian ties occurred in January of this year, when Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty visited India with a 100-member trade mission.

South America

"The bilateral trade between India and Peru has shown a quantum growth from US$ 82 million in 2001 to US$ 190 million in 2005 and we need to build up an integrated approach in our investments and partnership," observed Victor Munoz, the chargé d' affairs of the Peruvian embassy in India.

Total exports from Peru to its clients touched US$ 17 billion and imports accounted for $12.5 billion in 2005. Of this figure, mining constitutes more than half of Peru's exports. Munoz continued, "Peru is a good investment destination for India in these areas because the Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between India and the US provides a platform for Indian investors to export to the U.S."

Peru-India Chamber of Commerce Vice President Marco Hurtado observed that on August 15 of this year, Peruvian President Alan García Pérez met with a group of Indian businessmen to discuss the possibility of a US$ 1.2 billion investment aimed at constructing a petrochemical plant in Peru, according to the Lima daily La República.

Furthermore, on July 16, Asia Pulse issued a report about the statements made by Jorge Heine, the Chilean Ambassador to India. The diplomat argued that Chile is keen on reducing its trade imbalance with India and at the same time boosting the unfavorable trade volume between the two countries, to their mutual interest.

Addressing the members of the Chamber of Commerce, Heine gave a comparative figure of the exports between the two countries, pointing out that in 2006 exports from Chile to India stood at US$ 1.7 billion, tripling its 2006 export figures. Heine also said that 95% of the exports from mineral-rich Chile to India were made up by copper.

An article by Business Line also highlights Indo-Chilean relations, mentioning how the preferential Trade Agreement with India (signed in 2006, and covering 300 products on both sides), has been ratified by the Chilean Congress. Pointing out that Chile's exports to India have grown exponentially from US$ 230 million in 2003, to US$ 1.7 billion last year, he said, "We expect Chilean exports to India to exceed the figure of US$ 2 billion in 2007."

Meanwhile, India has moved to the 10th largest Chilean trade partner globally, up from 20th in 2003, and according to Heine, "our exports to India are more than that to Germany, the UK and Spain"

However, there may be some tensions in the future trade patterns involving New Delhi and Santiago. Japan and Chile want India to reduce its steep import tariffs on wines and spirits. While they have not formally raised a direct dispute against India regarding the issue, they have requested the World Trade Organization (WTO) to allow them to participate as a third party in the panel's proceedings which hopefully will sort out the dispute.

When it comes to South America, the Indian Commerce and Industry Minister, Kamal Nath, has said that "a trilateral arrangement between India, Mercosur and SACU (South Africa Customs Union) is on the way to widen [the] scope of South-South Cooperation."

Following the conclusion of a Preferential Trade Agreement in 2005, India and Mercosur agreed to grant mutual tariff concessions, ranging from 10 per cent to 100 per cent on 450 tariff lines.

Using a variety of strategies, from historical ties, to traditional trade, to sharing grandiose plans, India is becoming more and more a living presence in the Western Hemisphere. It still has a long way to go, however, before it becomes a household name among Latin Americans, but it certainly is on the right path.

India's relations with Cuba may perhaps annoy Washington, as well as its dealings with close U.S. neighbors (Canada and Mexico), which may also draw some unwanted attention, however, it is the India-Brazil alliance that should be gathering the bulk of Washington's attention. The global aspirations of both nations continue to rise even higher, with a very bright future seeming to lie ahead.

This analysis was prepared by Research Fellow Alex Sanchez. The Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org - is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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written by aes, September 10, 2007
The Chinese Thais have a curious expression. "Which do you step on first an Indian or a snake?"
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written by MN, September 10, 2007
Chinese Thais which AES quotes, should know that Chianese Thais not only eat snakes but will eat your pets dog and cats. Now you know who to step pon first >>>>
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written by aes, September 10, 2007
I think the expression has to do with the cunning of the Indians in business. It is probably more of a compliment as to their ability, a word of advice not to underestimate them.
Brazil-India Growing Ties Worry Washington
written by João da Silva, September 10, 2007
I am afraid that the author named the wrong capital. It should be Beijing that has to worry!

The author seems to be slighly lost about the right combination of food and liquor.The curry goes much better with Brazilian beer (or any beer).For the teetollers, fresh fruit juice is recommended with curry,while traveling in India.

AES
written by João da Silva, September 11, 2007
I think the expression has to do with the cunning of the Indians in business. It is probably more of a compliment as to their ability, a word of advice not to underestimate them.


Sorry, AES, I forgot to comment on your comment! You are absolutely right.Never underestimate them and your advice is sound.

I think that a window of opportunity is opening for Brazil to trade with India.It is up to the Brazilians to make use of it. I think that the Americans are very smart in recognizing this fact and I dont really believe that Washington is worried. In fact they recognize India to be a strategic ally to counter the "Chinese threat".

Since you love Geopolitics, would appreciate your comments.
It's simple
written by me, September 11, 2007
The Indians see lots of space available in Brazil for their surplus population.
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written by abayomi Manrique, September 12, 2007
Thank you very much for your overview of India's south south thrust...I hope it fares well for our region and India.
"What is clear is that Brazil will be the centerpiece of New Delhi's geopolitical aspirations in the Western Hemisphere, "
written by ch.c., September 12, 2007
Quite a joke that Brazil will be the centerpiece of India, and not the EU !!!!!
Looks like you will import a lot from India ???????
LAUGH.....LAUGH....LAUGH !

And since when Brazil has the technology to build nuclear plants .....???????
Why have you not built many of them so far ....for you, if you have the know how ?
LAUGH....LAUGH...LAUGH !

Brazilians talk a lot, but they dont even have a local car or truck company, they are all foreign companies !
Even your locomotives are from foreign technologies.
How then Brazil could produce by themselves....nuclear plants ?
LAUGH.....LAUGH....LAUGH !

What you could eventually offer is cheap labor, but India beats you very very very easily. Not only in low wages but also with the hundreds of millions of workers they have available....locally !
LAUGH....LAUGH....LAUGH !
"Caipirinha with Curry"
written by ch.c., September 13, 2007
A more appropriate term should be.......ETHANOL WITH CURRY !
Why ?
You export very little caipirinha but a lot of ethanol.... to India !

smilies/grin.gif smilies/cool.gif smilies/tongue.gif
Ch.c
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2007
You export very little caipirinha but a lot of ethanol.... to India !


You already said that India is the largest importer of Brazilian Ethanol. I checked it and I hate to admit that you are irritatingly correct smilies/angry.gif

I merely suggested that Curry goes much better with Beer, judging from my experience.

Explain your following statement:

Quite a joke that Brazil will be the centerpiece of India, and not the EU !!!!!
Looks like you will import a lot from India ???????


BTW, do you know about the economy of India as well as you know that of Brazil?
To Joao * fresh fruit juice is recommended with curry,while traveling in India."
written by ch.c., September 13, 2007
Looks like you never went to India.
There are only a few areas where they eat the real chili and hot !
MOST CURRIES IN INDIA OR ELSEWHERE ARE TASTY AND SWEET .....BUT NOT CHILI HOT !

It is like saying the North Africans enjoy the hot chili ! Ask Morocans and Algerians, very few eat the hot chilis.
Only a minority of Tunisians like them.

While in many caribeans countries, locals eat daily very very hot chilis !
Ch.c
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2007
Looks like you never went to India.


I am afraid you are wrong. When I said "Fresh fruit juice is recommended", I meant for non Ethanol consumers ( smilies/grin.gif ). During my first visit to the Indian sub continent, I went by train and passed by several states. The amount of Chili used, varies from one region to other. They serve some good flat bread with hot curries. To cut down the effect of the Red hot Chili, they serve clarified butter! It was an interesting journey. In Agra,it was so hot that we decided to enter the restaurant of "Taj Mahal" hotel.Air conditioned and felt cool and nice. Guess what, we ordered cold beer,flat bread and some good hot chicken curry.They also serve a salad of onion,tomato and cucumber, to cut down the effect of red hot chili. I forget the name of that salad.But it was ever delicious.

Have you ever been to that sub continent?


Ch.c
written by João da Silva, September 13, 2007
Ok.I got the right name for the Indian flat bread through Google. It is called "Tandoori Nan". The salad I was talking about is called "Raita".

You are right about their Locomotives,though. I forgot to mention that they do have fast Trains. Electrical traction as well as Diesel hauled ones.

Do you think that we could introduce Ethanol powered trains in India? smilies/grin.gif
to joão da Silva
written by Alex, September 13, 2007
hi Joao. I am the author of this article (btw have you noticed how this website always changes the titles of articles republished here? go to www.coha.org where you will see the real title of my article)
i just wanted to say i agree beer goes well w curry, but caipirinhas are pretty well known as Brazilian drinks, so I wanted to use 2 "trademaark' dishes and drinks as my first bullet to get people's attention. which i guess worked from the responses ive gotten!

"ethanol and curry" thats pretty good actually! but i didnt go into ethanol in the article.. ill remember that though.
hope you all like my upcoming articles smilies/smiley.gif
Being in the U.S. this past week...
written by bo, September 13, 2007
and seeing testimony by Petraeus and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq in front of the senate for the last two days, I can tell you, Brazil and India`s relationship is not even in the top 100 concerns on washington`s mind!


Gotta love the sensationalism of the titles to these articles.
Indian food and Brazil
written by Yowser, September 13, 2007
Anyone who has had Indian cuisine can relate to the main side effect after eating a good Indian meal: lethargy. Indian food has a knack of putting you to sleep, no doubt with the ghee and other high grease dishes, that Indians are good at making, and that end up clogging your arteries and veins producing the laziness that India is famous for. I've been exposed to both cultures, and for the sake of Brazilians, I hope that Brazil will influence the Indians more in any interaction, instead of vice versa.
Alex Sanchez
written by João da Silva, September 14, 2007
Hi Alex,

You are right.The real title of your original article was "India: The Relatively Quiet, but Growing Presence of a New Asian Powerhouse in the Western Hemisphere, Particularly Brazil". I really do not know why the editors of this magazine decided to change the title.Probably make it sensational so that some of our regular and distinguished commentators like AES,Bo,AES,etc; would read your article and come out with their opinion (which they managed to achieve).

It was good that you decided to participate in this blog and there is nothing like having the author of an article to debate with the readers.An example is Ernest Barteldes.

Surely we look forward to reading your upcoming articles,provided you are prepared to receive highly constructive (and some times destructive) criticisms!

All the best. The Indians trust in our "Ethanol" and neither Washington nor Berne should be worried about the growing ties between the two countries.
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written by João da Silva, September 14, 2007
Probably make it sensational so that some of our regular and distinguished commentators like AES,Bo,AES,etc;


Oops, I meant to say AES,Bo and a VERY GOOD friend of ours CH.C. I would never ever want to offend the feelings of Ch.C!
Bo
written by João da Silva, September 14, 2007
Being in the U.S. this past week...


Obviously you survived the long flight and reached Pittsburg safely. Hope you are having a great time with your family and friends. How is the weather up there?
To Joao and your "I checked it and I hate to admit that you are irritatingly correct "
written by ch.c., September 15, 2007
Sorry for you if you hate to admit that I am right.....just once more !
It happens, as I already told you a few times, that wether one like or not my comments, they are all based on factual truth and stats.

But admitting the reality, even if you hate it....for the time being, is certainly the start of a brighter future.

Finally feel free to offend my feelings, if you have common sense and good stats !
smilies/grin.gif

And to Yowser comments : "I hope that Brazil will influence the Indians more in any interaction, instead of vice versa.*

Sorry, but what will Brazil cuisine teach to Indians ? Feijados ???

Indian cuisine is recognized around the world as very good.....and diversified !
Not so for Brazilian cuisine ! Yours is in fact quite limited !
To Joao !
written by ch.c., September 15, 2007
My "Quite a joke that Brazil will be the centerpiece of India, and not the EU !!!!!
Looks like you will import a lot from India ??????? "
was sarcatisc......as usual !

Reality being that Brazil intends to buy very little from India but hopefully will export a lot to them !

The problem both India and Brazil have, is that BOTH have a logic of imports substitution ideologies.
Lets face it, you expect investments from developed nations to produce in your country and then excpect to export back
in the developed nations.
But both India and Brazil have the highest trade barriers....in manufactured goods and financial services !
The only winners will be the foreign companies from developed nations. And both India and Brazil will continue to produce
BASIC COMMODITIES....instead of adding value to the imports and then re-exporting goods with added value as developed nations do !
China does this very very well ! they import cotton from Brazil, and then re-export clothes in Brazil and.....around the world !

But what is Brazil importing, adding value, and then re-export ?????
I wish you have a list of a few examples . smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/cool.gif
continued...for Joao.....
written by ch.c., September 15, 2007
I mean outside of....... agriculture.

Because as I sadly said a few times, the biggest winners in the Brazilian agricultural industry, are those selling the inputs such as
fertilizers, fongicides, GMO seeds, tractors,harvesters, trucks.
It happens they are mostly ALL foreign companies.
Ch.C
written by João da Silva, September 15, 2007
Sorry, but what will Brazil cuisine teach to Indians ? Feijados ???


You do have a sense of humor,dont you? smilies/cheesy.gif

However, Brazil does indeed produze,all the ingredients to make Indian spices and has large space to grow their lentils (Vegans love them, as the lentils substitute animal protein).

You are right, what is the point in trying to export "Know How" of Feijoada,without knowing that most of them dont eat pork nor beef?

But, you must know, the big conglamorates like the Tatas and Mittal are already in Brazil,though I am yet to hear about one big company from here setting up their shop there (Marco Polo has stuck a deal with Tata Motors,to build busses).

Since I am in the mailing list of the Indian Embassy in Brasilia, I get their Electronic News Letters and you can trust on my info.I dont think that Brazil can count on exporting Ethanol forever to India. Do I need to explain, why? I bet you know the answer and you dont have to LAUGH...LAUGH! Just SMILE smilies/grin.gif
ingles jah jah
written by Mariah, September 17, 2007
I think Brazil should follow in the India's footsteps and proclaim English the official language.
..reply to "ingles jah jah" by Mariah
written by wazzuuppp, September 18, 2007
That is actually a great idea. English is an international language, the language of science, business, medicine, etc. Brazil would make a tremendous international impact if they had a 10 year plan to convert their national language to English.
Mariah/Wazzup
written by João da Silva, September 19, 2007
I think Brazil should follow in the India's footsteps and proclaim English the official language.


It is certainly not a bad idea.However, we dont have to be drastic.Instead, we can proclaim English as one of the TWO official languages of Brasil and not just THE official language of Brasil. In case you dont know, India has TWO official languages. One is Hindi and another is English. They conduct their diplomacy, trade,etc; in English. It is easier to travel in India ,if you speak English.

I think that you both have come out with good suggestions. My Kudos.
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written by jojojoj, October 07, 2007
[So many experts !

Amazing

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