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I'm Black, I'm Poor, I'm Not Brazil PDF Print E-mail
2007 - October 2007
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Wednesday, 03 October 2007 09:23

Brazilian minority During the past few months, I have spent my free time traveling around Brazil, spreading a campaign called Educação Já (Education Now). As in the time of the Diretas Já (Direct Elections Now), which mobilized Brazil for the end of the military regime, I am defending the idea that it is time for a revolution in the country through education.

To make certain that each child has the same chance in life with the guarantee of a school of the same quality, no matter his or her family's income or the size of the city where he or she lives.

A couple weeks ago, I visited Zumbi dos Palmares University in São Paulo, founded and directed by Rector José Vicente. The majority of students in that university are black, as if there were a quota for white students. It has a good physical plant and offers quality courses.

Our first impression upon entering the premises and seeing dozens of young black people is that we are not in Brazil but, rather, in Africa. Nevertheless, that is the face of Brazil. We should instead find it strange to encounter the opposite: only white students in the university classrooms.

That strange feeling explains why, at the end of the lecture, a young student asked permission to speak and then spoke his mind. "I'm not Brazil," he declared. "All of you are one Brazil; I'm another. I'm not the Brazil of the rich, of the whites, of the Senate, of the Chamber of Deputies, of the government, of the Justice branch. I'm not that Brazil that's ignoring me. I made a great effort to arrive here in the university. I'm going to earn a diploma, but what good will it do me if I don't have a job? And I won't have one. Because I'm not Brazil."

When a young person states that he or she is not Brazil, this is a very serious declaration. What this means is, "All of you are Brazil; I am not. I'm not that Brazil that is in the newspapers, on the official TV, in the Executive Power's publicity campaigns or in the impunity fed by the Justice branch."

But if this young man does not assume his nationality, he will have no future. Even if he becomes rich and tranquil, he will be threatened, assaulted, kidnapped. If he earns his diploma, Brazil will not be his if he lives surrounded by the illiterate, the miserable, the excluded. Either Brazil is good for everyone or it will be good for no one.

That young person needs to understand that he is Brazil, even if he does not want to be. Even if he decides to leave, to emigrate. Wherever he goes, he is Brazil. Because of this, I asked him not to give up the struggle to help change Brazil. Because if he does not do this, he will not have a future by himself.

But what he declared when he spoke his mind should serve as a warning for all of us in the government. That young man may not be a portrait of Brazil in its totality but he represents a significant segment of the population, one that does not feel that it is part of the official Brazil - the country of the executive power, of the Congress, of the judiciary.

That he sees no relation between what is said and done in the official Brazil and in the Brazil of each person, nor does he see us as the solution for his problems. It is as if, divided as it is by individualism, corporativism, officialism, people and State, Brazil were transmitting to its young people the idea that they are not Brazilians. And that division will destroy us.

I hope that that young man's declaration will alert us to the necessity of changing the way that we, those in government, think, speak, act. Either we wake up, or there will be no future. We need to hear the people who are there outside. Indignant, unhappy, frustrated and, above all, lost. They have no confidence in the country; they do not know their leaders; or, even worse, they have no leaders.

Brazil is stalled. It can grow in its economy, in the number of universities, but it will not be a civilized nation if we do not put an end to the chasm separating us. Were it not for Brazil's evolution in the past few years, that young man would not be in the university.

But his university presence is not enough because what he learns there will not give him the job that he would like to have. And if it does give him such a job, it will not give the same to others. And even if it gives a job to all the university students, it will not solve the fundamental problems of Brazilian society. It will not be enough to construct our future.

There will be no future for any of us as long as a young person looks us in the eye and says that he or she is not Brazil.

Cristovam Buarque has a Ph.D. in economics. He is a PDT senator for the Federal District and was Governor of the Federal District (1995-98) and Minister of Education (2003-04). He is the current president of the Senate Education Commission. Last year he was a presidential candidate. You can visit his homepage - www.cristovam.com.br - and write to him at mensagem-cristovam@senado.gov.br

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome - LinJerome@cs.com.



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DE NOITE TODOS OS GATOS SAO PARDOS
written by Kelly, October 04, 2007
Well, it's rare to see a black or a mulatto person in a brazilian soap opera. Everyone is white, rich and has a German or an Italian last name.
You can see much more Black people in US tv programs although Brazil has higher % of black and mulatto races.
Racism...
written by Brazilian Dude, October 04, 2007
is hotly denied as existing in brazil by lots of eminent individuals.They insist there is no such thing as race, and that prejudice in brazil is economical
Buls**t,buls**t,BULs**t!
Every SINGLE one of them is white, just for starters.They do not live the day to day discrimination a non-white will feel, no matter how much money he/she has.
Second: race DOES exist. Ask any doctor about the genetic difference that leads to different prevalences of different diseases in specific ethnic groups, as well as the fact that certain medications work better for some races than for others.
As long as the existence of color-based prejudice is denied, it will not be possible to work on the problem. There are color-blind niches in brazil, but they are exceptions, not rules.Time to bring that aboveboard and quit denying the obvious.


...
written by João da Silva, October 04, 2007
As long as the existence of color-based prejudice is denied, it will not be possible to work on the problem. There are color-blind niches in brazil, but they are exceptions, not rules.Time to bring that aboveboard and quit denying the obvious.


Well said,Col smilies/grin.gif
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written by ny, October 04, 2007
Ifind it funny that n brazil, everyone like sto be Italian or German descent, even if they are not or married someone who's name is.
God forbid they have Portuguese, jewish name, etc.
In the u.s.a where i live the italians wer eknown as spics/wops, germans (we know ww II) and what they did.
I wonder why then in brazil they lkike to believe that they are so different because of hegir last names.
I don't & personally would not like to hav an italian or german name.
After all they speak Portuguese in brazil, not italian or german.
ny
written by João da Silva, October 04, 2007
I don't & personally would not like to hav an italian or german name.
After all they speak Portuguese in brazil, not italian or german.


You have a point there,my friend.That is the reason I still retain my last name "Silva" and never bothered to change it to "Goering" or "Mussolini"

In the u.s.a where i live the italians wer eknown as spics/wops, germans (we know ww II) and what they did.


I am very happy to know that you live in the good ole U.S. of A. In spite of it ,you seem to be unaware of the pejorative names for the Germans. During the WW 2, they were known as KRAUTS. If you want to know more about U.S of A, I am sure that the American ex-pats who live in Brazil would be very happy to clarify all your doubts.

btw, are you an illegal in U.S.?
DONT ANSWER THAT BTW
written by forrest allen brown, October 04, 2007
under new law if you are illegal and say you are a citisen
and you are not you have lied to a police man and that can lead to your deportation .

as long as the law in brasil turns the other way , you will have the race card

until the goverment in there ivory towers have to hire whites at a higer pay rate or the cane growers just stop working
for free you will have a race of two or more peoples in brasil .
the haves and have nots

i have met several women of black familys that look to have children of white men to better there familys lives later
in life .

the thing i have found is the people of color in brasil are and have a better sence
of how people should be treated .

ask CB to write on this instead of his school whitch he is preaching too all of us here but cant ever get it passed in congress
"he will not have a future by himself."
written by ch.c., October 05, 2007
Of course he will have one.......
as a sugarcane cutter. Dont you expect to double, triple, quadruple or quintuple your sugarcane production ??????

And if he is well educated and smart he will have a great future....going out of Hell that Brazil is !

In my country, Switzerland, not only we have a verrrrrry low unemployment rate at below 3 %.. but we have a shortage
of workers !
Ohhh and salaries are one of the world highest !
Are we not ranked first or second, year after year, at the world MOST competitive countries stats, despite our apparent high costs ????
Simple proof that low wages have nothing to do with competitivity !!!!
We are also top ranked for cleanliness and quality of life.

Brazil being at the queue......as usual !
btw
written by ny, October 05, 2007
to; Joao da silva,
my dear i'm not an illegal, i am a full fledge american born citizen, who lived in brail for a few years, couldn't wait for the day that i left.
and all the americans that are supposedly living in that so called happyland called brazil, tehy won't admit to the reality fo the country, they become just like brazilians living in denial.
Education is truly important
written by angelinajolie, October 05, 2007
I personally agree upon the fact that education is important and should not be classified as discrimination act towards the common people. Education is the key to growth and prosperity. It is a never ending journey. Everybody must propose to Ban Ki Moon the new UN Secretary General that Education should be made free and there should be the free flow of tranfer technology without any tariff or the new world order that suggest to retard progress. There should not be cost of education for the sake of grandeur. What we need is a new world that free of poverty, full of academicians who willing to contribute and of course humanist who fights for social obligation.
preto branco tanto faz
written by Joana Jussara, October 06, 2007
the weird thing in Brazil is that every black person likes to be called MORENO these days (MORENO means tanned or dark skinned)
rather than PARDO (mulatto) or NEGRO (black). Also, it is offensive for a white person to call a black person a PRETO (negro), but
it's normally accepted for black people to use PRETO (negro) addressing between themselves. That's weird
F.Y.I.
written by Shelly, October 06, 2007
"Either we wake up, or there will be no future" Sorry to bother you sir, but for millions of Brazilians their lives are already in ruins. How can you talk about future if the past and present are denying these kids a fair system? Please, would you kindly answer this question Mr. Senator?

And one more thing. "Ifind it funny that n brazil, everyone like sto be Italian or German descent, even if they are not or married someone who's name is"

Here everyone claims to be Irish, Italian, English, etc. even tough they have absolutely nothing to do with those countries. Long, long, long, long way distant ancestors maybe... funny isn't it? Visit the south of Brazil and you will see why. There are a lot of Italian and German descendants in Brazil just for your info. Have you been to Pennsylvania to visit the Amish?
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written by Amman M. Said, October 06, 2007
The dear senator is better off directing his educational efforts at the top 20% of Brasilians who actually need it i.e. the middle class, the upper class, the elite, the industrialiss, the Authorities, etc. instead of focusing on the lower 80%.
shelly
written by ny, October 07, 2007
yes, i'm well awar that in the south of brazil there are italians & germans, that was my point exactly & as you said people claim the their irish, english, etc. just for the mere fact to claim anything else other than the colonizer among others, i find it funny that they are ignorant to the facts associated to the above mentioned ethnecities, as if they are better than the others.
and yes i know about the amish, i only live about 2 hrs from their area.
Amman M. Said
written by João da Silva, October 08, 2007
The dear senator is better off directing his educational efforts at the top 20% of Brasilians who actually need it i.e. the middle class, the upper class, the elite, the industrialiss, the Authorities, etc. instead of focusing on the lower 80%.


You may have a point there.A thought to ponder about.
Wierd Brazil
written by lamla, October 10, 2007
Being a black South African and having travelled to Brazil numerous times, I find it strange that people would doubt that it is a deeply racist country. Infact, Brazilian racism is the most vicious because it does not manifest itself explicitly. It is symbolized by access to opportunities in the form of class stratification. There, anything that leans towards intellectual capacity is white and anything that leans towards the physical prowess is black with all kinds of probabilities in the middle. What bothered me most was the way it is accepted as normal that blacks can only be athletes and entrepreneurism (with all the artifacts of modernity) is the exclusive reserve of whites. When in Brazil I stay in Jardins which is supposed to be upper midde class and I could'nt see one middle class blacks ( I am not exaggerating). At best there are light skinned mulatas otherwise few very poor blacks. In almost 99% per cent of the time I would be the lone black face in literally all the good restuarants and would actually feel that the white Portuguese are amazed at what they percieve as a 'rich' black. Good jobs are manned by whites, malls are filled with whites,television is white and projects white values, politicians are white, restuarants are white. Probably crime is black (nao e)? Can anyone tell me that there are no capable blacks worthy of anything good in Brazil other than be soccer players or atheletes. I am upper middle class both finanacially and academically and am used to quality standards. Things that are second nature to me invoke a sense of amazement in Brazil. I invited my Brazlian girlfriend (who is 'white' by Brazilian standards) to South Africa and pre warned her that every third car is a new BMW or Merc and that the roads were second to none here. She had the CNN 'Africa' in her head typified by misery,AIDS,poverty and hopelessness. When she came and lived my pre warnings she could'nt believe that even highway patrol vehicles were latest generation BM's and Merc's. Even worse, there is a black face behind the steering wheel and that is rare in Brazil even amongst the white elite. In her words "as policia aqui dirigi os BMW's". You could see that element of surprise in her face. Since then, she has gradually and consistently highlighted the poverty side of South Africa. Sure there is racism and poverty in South Africa but at least the regulatory framework does not render opportunities inaccessible to someone on the basis of colour. In my opinion, racism in Brazil is institutionalised without it being explicitly declared and infact, has reached that stage of self propulsion. Any country that reaches such stages of racism is doomed and all the evils of society like drug trafficking,brutal & merciless murders,kidnappings (sequestro),prison revolts with prisoners wielding human heads that have been severed from the corpses,police brutality,prostitution,corruption,etc start taking centre stage. I am afraid that is the case in Brazil now. Brazilians have serious societal challenges and they are going to be very difficult to resolve.
lamla
written by João da Silva, October 10, 2007
Your comments are interesting and I have been to your country too and I was pleased to see the prosperous blacks and the courtesy extended by your countrymen, regardless of their color,race,etc; We were thrilled to be in your country and one day, will visit again to enjoy your hospitality. You have nice things that we can learn from your country about racial equality.You have made a lot of progress in this regard during the past 10 years.
Well said, Lamla.
written by tlc94102, October 11, 2007
Thanks, Lamla, for telling the truth. I live in Bahia and it is impossible to deny the racism in Brazil. Go into any bank, mall or restaurant and all the employees will be white, except the maid or janitor who will be black. And this in a state that is 80 percent of African descent! Brazlians like to say its about class, not race, but that is a lie. Turn on the TV, look in the halls of Brazil`s Congress and Senate, go to any shopping mall. I see white people, with black people cleaning up after them. It is racism pure and simple, and the worst kind because it is denied.
Brazil tha Great
written by blackcat, October 13, 2007
Black's need to impregnate all the fine white tricks. This would solve the problem and everybody can be happy !
Brazil tha bunda capital
written by blackcat, October 13, 2007
I need to save up about 10k , and visit brazil for a few days. I would knock up a couple chicks, and leave when my money is gone . I would be doing my part , ofcourse this would stop the racial tension among the brazilian.
An analysis of the theories put forward within "Brazil tha Great" and "Brazil tha bunda capital" written by blackcat
written by John Doe, October 13, 2007
Sadly, even within a discussion as serious as to the problems of race and class, the stupidity and ignorance and that exists within my own race has chosen to rear its ugly head and make an appearance with Black Cat's presence. So let me school you here and show you how messed up your logic is while exposing you for the probable MacDowells worker that you are.
1.Firstly, if you know anything about race within Brazil then you know that there are several racial classification. So how exactly would the impregnation of “all the fine white tricks” solve the problem? I mean mixed Brazilians do not all subscribe to one singular racial classification. Consequently, Brazil would never be an all (fill in with the racial classification of your choice) unless mixed Brazilians suddenly decide to change their racial classifications. This has two ramifications, one it makes it difficult to create a unified front by which to fight the current power structure as person is different from the other. Two it means that you could possibly create a dark skinned child and a lighter skinned and each could be classified a different race and each in all likelihoods would be treated differently. That’s a continuation of the status quo and not a solution to the problem. So what are you sayin?
2.Secondly, as you don’t have logical argument in the first place, I fail to see how you would be doing your part” by taking your Black A@# down to Brazil “to impregnate all the fine white tricks” If you don’t get it, re-read the first point, this time slower.
3.Thirdly, the simply fact that you say “I NEED to save up about 10k , and visit brazil for a few days” shows that you’re a broke A$$ Mutha Fu@#%&. You’re far from being a “Balla” can’t be a Playa if you have to buy it. Most likely you’re a Scrub too broke and ugly to get any White tail where ever the hell it is that you live. That says a whole lot!!!!

Tell you what Bro; if you do really want to do your part…. why don’t you just SHUT THE HELL UP.
Lamla
written by ny, October 20, 2007
Your girlfriend is simply "jealous" of what she saw & likes to hilite in typical brazilian bulls**t, goof for you that you showed her what your country has achieved in the last 10 yrs or so unlike hers, if they stop downplaying everyone else & concentrate ont heir own ills, then maybe things would be different.
Then they wonder whey they are in that same predicament day after day.
Kudos to you south africans, your a shining example to many in the world & to your brazilian girlfriend & brazilians that you're not stuck inthe past, you know wher eyou have been & are going forward.
Parabens.
John Doe
written by ny, October 21, 2007
In your response to Blackcat, Isn't that also the reason why your in brazil i assume?
John Doe
written by ny, October 21, 2007
Ignorance is universal, but you lambasting balckca for his blog & having to stoop to his level & moe with your @@$$$, etc.
What are you telling us on this forum, what race are you a part of white or black, mixed?
Lamla
written by ny, October 21, 2007
AGain your girlfriend hilits the poverty, aids in south africa, about brazil, they have an aids epidemic, but in typical brazilian fashion they don't talk about it, they hide it as if it doesn't exist.
You seem like an educated/made man & your goign to let your girlfriend put down your country when there is no comparison in general. Tell to take heed of the example your country is showing the world & her. After all she can't even be polite enough to keep her mouth shut, that should tell you something about her, the next thing you know you may buy a house in brazil & she'lltell the world that she biught it & it is/was hers.
ny
written by John Doe, October 21, 2007
NY they say "If you assume, you can make an ass out of u and me"
1. You assumed incorrectly I might add that I'm in Brazil in saying "Isn't that also the reason why your in brazil i assume?" I'm not but even if I was, I could have been born there and my presence in that country would have nothing to with your silly assumption.
2. You asked me "what race are you a part of white or black, mixed?" This is something I've already clearly expressed in my original message. If you didn't get it I suggest that you read it again this time m u c h s l o w e r.
You know what? I guess in your case your assumptions only make an ass out of you.
JD
Brazil is not racist
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
So I stay away some months and that's what happens? Brazil is not racist because does not impose a rigid racial ssytem, just like in the US, Canada, Europe, South Africa and other places. This is good because it empowers the individuals and make them more independent from the collective. In traditional "identity politics" as in Europe or in the US the individuals are replaced by "categories", thus abstracted and treated as numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if it were only Europeans because that was always practiced there, most notably in the Third Reich, but for the Americans is quite ironic since they claim to have so much freedom.

The current wave of "racist Brazil" we see occasionally on the media is a campaign put forward by racist organizations and leftists. It serves two purposes. First to stablish a racial system similar to the US, i.e., a binary one, no mixing allowed that would benefit the racists. The second is to create the "class struggle" as the socialists envision. Creating struggles between classes is important, not only as a "divide and conquer" strategy, but also because it confirms the socialist view of the world. So in Brazil we have the landless movement struggle against the big land owners, we have the racial struggle, the more traditional class struggle (the bourgeois against the evil capitalists), the gender struggle (abortion legalization, etc). This is just another piece of the puzzle.

Today the Communist Party of Brazil and other leftist organizations already advertise the end of capitalism and an alternative called "Socialism of the XXI century", i.e., something similar to the Venezuelan authoritarian government. They are also making campaigns to close TV stations.

The problem of Brazil is that slowly the socialists and communists through indoctrination and propaganda are destroying the capability of the average Brazilian to think. Nowadays the entire political discourse is left, and everything turns around some "oppressed minority noble and honest" and the cartoonish "evil capitalist white elite", who will do everything they can to keep the people enslaved to the capital.

NY, it's true that if you hear someone saying what their origins are you will hear "italian" or "german", but that's because those are the two most vocal immigrant groups. They really like saying so and I don't see any problem with that. Portuguese is more common, so it makes little sense to say it since the majority of the Brazilians have some Portuguese ancestry. The difference between here and the US is that nobody is forced to be treated like a "category" and people are free to be just Brazilians, no prefixes and no suffixes.

About racism itself I would say Brazil has no such problem, it certainly has racists, but this is NOT a widespread problem. My take on poverty is that certain social groups don't value education as means of advancing, I don't know why. They seem to make a huge effort to remain stupid although they could do much more. This racist discourse is perfect for them, because they can get things for free without working for it.

About the myth of "Black Brazil", yes, it must be a shock for a gringo. They are taught that Brazil is a "black country" and when they come here they see the diversity. "Where are the blacks?" they ask. Get the facts straight, blacks are only 7% of the population and shrinking, mixed people, i.e., will soon be the majority (more than 50%), and there are still lots of white around. People get shocked to learn that Brazil is not a black country.

About a certain comment of ethniticities. Yes, there may be a way of classifying DNA variations, but when there's much mixing how can the final result be calculated? Imagine this process through centuries. The "ethnicities equals DNA" argument doesn't hold true when there are such diversity of mixtures because someone could have pieces from this or from that other one. For the dismay of racist American and South Africans nature is not binary.
A Brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
I totally disagree with you, although brazil may have a higher % of european lineage, but because of the mixing that has occurred over the 100's of years; when a person travels to brazil, they are actually surprised that so many people of mixed color exists, where it appears the whites are a minority. If you haven't read former president Henrique Cardoso book where he admits to the way brazilians always like to classify themselves as white even when they are not because of much mixing, etc.
Brazil bills themselves as a white country, but in reality it is not as i have said above.
Hence the following website:

Racial makeup and genetic studies
Nowadays, most Brazilians classify themselves as being Whites, closely followed by the Brown group. Recent genetic studies found a high degree of racial admixture in all ethnic groups of Brazil, concluding that the vast majority of Brazilians have some amount of European, African and Amerindian ancestors.

In average, White Brazilians possess almost all their paternal ancestry of European origin (90% in the Y Chromosome). In the maternal side, there is a 33% Amerindian and 28% African contribution to the total mtDNA pool.

Black Brazilians have an average of 48% non-African admixture, while Brown Brazilians have 45% of African genes.[8]


[edit] Descendants of colonial settlers
Brazil's racial base are its colonial settlers (Amerindians, Portuguese and Africans):

Over 85 million Brazilians (44% of the population) have some Portuguese ancestry.[9]
86% of Brazilians have at least 10% of their genes coming from Africans.
77 million Brazilians (45%) have 90% of African genes.[10]
Over 50 million Brazilians (26%) have some Amerindian ancestry.[11]
John Doe
written by ny, October 22, 2007
You know what JD you're the one that's making an ASS out of yourself on this website, your the one that's been spouting %$#&&*
there really is no need for that.
I re-read your post above, yes, you're black, and why wouldn't i assume otherwise, i just wanted to make sure what i read. so i figure i ask & you could give a direct answer. There really is no reason for you to be so testy.
So where do you live, if not in brazil where?
NY
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
Have you checked the sources for the Wikipedia article you picked this from? One source is the Sérgio Pena research with rather skewed statistics (the [9] and the next line in the text you pasted). The other one seems reasonable since it distinguished by region, although it picked only 200 people from each of the 5. But it shows coherent numbers. Which part of Brazil have you visited?

But assuming it is close to real then it proves Brazil is no black country.

Since you ignored the rest of my comment I will assume that you agree that there's no racism there.
brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
No ido not agree with youa t all, brazil is a black country,a ctually the blackest in south america, and yes ther is extreme/silent racism in brazil, i have seen it first hand, so lets stop all fo thi sdenial bs.
NY
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
You haven't given a single reason of why it would be so. I tend to consider opinions not worth my time. Brazil is no black country and definitely not racist. Those who live here can attest there's no segregation (fact supported by the numbers) and the diversity is further evidence of a unique Brazilian people.

Identity politics have no place in here.
brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
If you don't consider opinions worth of your time, why are you on this website, some opinions are base on stats others on experience, you sound like a total unique brazilian at denial who refuses to accept the fact that racism does not have to be explicit, it is not so much what people say but what they do, if you have read most of the articles & opinions of others on this website & the above post by Lamla why would you think otherwise. You keep living in your own uniqueness that i call brazilian crap/denial/.
The other things that i find unique about brazilians are the pathological lying they do, the criminality, the thiefery, corruption, kidnappings, & the blind eye to all the puritan sexuality they claim that goes on. How is that for brazilian uniqueness.
So keep living in your dream world.
Most of you are nothing more thatn a bunch of "white wanna bee's anyway".
You are you kidding, definitely me.
NY
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
Yes, there are several posts around saying nonsense and that's why Brazilians must stand against it, not for changing people's mind, but instead for making clear this site is a joke. In the past there were several of such discussions (there many more thread if you look up the nickname "A Brazilian") where you can see this same topic being discussed over and over again, and being proven otherwise over and over again.

I am not new to this site and definitely not ignorant about the American racist mentality. I have studied your history and I am likely to know it better than yourself. Racism is one the very pillars of the American society. Your society is segregated not because it's "natural", but because of segregation, scientific racism, eugenics and laws, similarly to South Africa. What you take for granted today as "the truth" was systematized and transformed into law by some white man in the past.

You are a freak. Someone taught since an early age that being a category is better than being an individual. You hold yourself onto it because otherwise your powerless self would vanish into nothingness.

Brazilians, on the other hand, have such freedom and power, i.e., freedom to be individuals and power to create things, that it makes your hatred understandable. You hate us because you envy us. The myth of "Black Brazil" is far from the truth and just another strategy for hate-mongers to try to gain some leverage on others.
A Brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
No one is a bigger JOKE than you on this site and you have just proven so.
Although you claim you're not new to this website i fail to see what have you learned from this site among other writings in this world.
Your telling me about american history, please. I never claim the u.s.a is a perfect country even with our categories, people of color here get more respect and opportunity than anywhere else in this world including the LaLa land that you live in.
Piople of color here have more than an even keel here, their professionals, own homes, drive nice cars, have kids in catholic schools, compete for jobs just like everyone else.
All of your spounting above is just wishful thinking that has gone on for the last 120 yrs.
We are jealous of you at what? I fail to see what brazil has on the U.s.a, freedom; yes freedom to roam the streets,shoot, kill ,steal ,rape without any regard, yes, that's something to be jealous off? right?
You have to be blind to believe that brazil is a white country. It is very obvious that you choose to live that denial, but then that doesn't surprise me, that seems to be a unique brazilian trait.

So tell me what has the brazil contributed to this world?
Lets see The largest favela in south america? Small Minded.
I can't think of anything else.
They didn't discover themselves, they didn't invent fUtebol, they didn't create it's beauty (among many in the world) it was already there when the colonizers arrived.
They didn't invent Samba, the custome was brought over by the colonizers, it's practiced all over the world, ye, not on such a grand scale, but then brazilians have to show how big they are onthe outside because of how little they really are.
Lets see what is that Called -Low Self Esteem-Insecurity- that's alos uniquely brazilian.

What has happened inthe U>S>A inthe lat 200 yrs or so is unprecedented, we are still here & will be for a long, long, long time.
brazil hasn't even taken off, it's full of babies, mam's boys, let me know when the fugetao takes off.
NY
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
Brazil has created the first ever metarace, or the absence of race as a substitute for race. We are free from the dehumanizing categories you are forever locked in. The side-effects of such categories are various, most notably that people usually become powerless and insecure. Your need that others acknowledge their category only shows that you search in the outside something to admire, since you don't have anything inside, and so you can build some sense of security, since alone you are nothing.

By the little text you have written you show that you know nothing about Brazil, because there's absolutely nothing forbidding people advancing and, yes, there are rich and successful blacks around here. But that's not the point, never was.

Brazil has a destiny, and definitely it is not to follow some stupid racists down to the abyss. Brazilian concept of non-race is the only place where the individual takes precedence over the collective, it is inspiring and the sign that freedom has not yet been reached in this world, but it will eventually, in Brazil and nowhere else. It couldn't be anywhere else because that's our destiny and not anybody else's.
A Brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
Your staement above trulyreflects the IGNORAMUS that you are, Brazil only created what you claim because the colonizers allowed it, thanks to them you exist today.
You speak of dehumanizing, no one does a better job of dehumanizing their own than that jungel you live in, your mind set clearly shows that, that you believe in something that is not true in fact.
You tell me i know nothing of brazail, i lives there rfor 10 yrs fool, i know what i'm talking about, what i saw & experienced.
Brazil is nothing more than a country full of incompetent / lazy people.
Have you ever lived in the u.s.? where?
If brazil does not forbid people to advance, then what's stopping them?
i'll tell you how they do it, brainwashing (as you seem to be), lack of education, opportunity, etc.
In the u.s. everyone has the same opportunities or so, if they want to work & prove themselves. They don't have to rely on networking, payoffs, favors, etc.
Waht destiny are you talking about? When is it going to arrive? It is inspiring to who?
You sound so very young, idealist, ignorant, freedom that only exists in the mind, racism that you deny exists that is evident to whoever wants to see it.
The only difference between there & here is that here you always know where people stand & they have no problem letting you know what they think of you, unlike your seer land, they plant a fake smile on & hgave no problem selling you down the river, biting the hand that feeds you, etc.
NY
written by A Brazilian, October 22, 2007
If you "know" all of that then why do you bother coming on this site? It seems to me that you are more interested in creating a situation and not in describing it. I don't have time to waste with idiots.
A brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
Your the biggest idiot., i have as much right to be on this site as you, you don't own it or control it.
Idiots like you should take they're own advice.
What i know is the truth, which you don't seem to know much about, typical brazuca (yuca) " maleducado" that's what you've shown to be as usual.

Hence: On IDCAR 2007
People of Brazil
55% European descent, 38% mulatto, 6% African descent (according to the 1980 census).
Now if you add the 38% the african descent, doesn't that add up to almost 1/2 of the europena descent which you can't even say is all tryly white; that's why you land in brazil, anyone can see the country is not white but colorful, get it you morron.
Obviosly you must be white? I wonder thanks to who?


A brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
By all acounts based on your own ignorant thoughts that this country is racist, racist is your country, even with all the freedom, and integration then it should be a success & not the U>S>A.
so based on your premises explain to me the brazilian dilemma according to you.
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written by ny, October 22, 2007
You claim that i'm creating a situation & not desctibing it; i have described it, you just don't want to accept the truth of what is, nopt what you wnat it to be or wish it would be.
A brazilian
written by ny, October 22, 2007
At least i have lived in your country & read your bias history as most are.
You haven't lived in the u.s.; at least you didn't say so; so who are you to dispute what i've described.
I believe that expeience teaches one more then merely reading books.
screwed up the planet earth...
written by ernest johnson jr., October 23, 2007
you know it's almost funny if you can step back and look at the earth..
slavery not only mentally messed up the mixed races but the whites too!!
i'm black and live in michigan, america. my lineage is african, american indian,
english, irish and german. the german side came because the slavemaster
in virginia figured he'd rape an african one day and out came my g-grandfather
in 1856. as soon as he was born the nice german slaveowner sold his mother so
i'll never know what became of her. anyway, i like to read the comments from
the single ladies on certain latin sites. i am always amazed how i can see what
would be considered a black lady in america call herself white???? to me, and i
don't mean to sound like an ass but seeing a black (mulatto) lady point out the
white portions of her ancestry, yet never even mention her african roots distuirbs
me. now make no mistake, i am a caramel in color but i'm a black man pure and
simple. again, i don't mean to be a bad guy but to wish to be white so bad that despite
the obvious, they actually say they are white is almost comical. i have always considered
eventually settling with a latin lady not because of her looks necessarily but because of
the way they are raised to value a good man and marriage. BUT!!!!!! that color crap
really freaks me out.....
Screwed up on planet earth
written by ny, October 23, 2007
I sincerely hope you find what you're looking for, but be weary, color or no color just because someone is Latn doesn't mean they all value a good man & marriage. Youahve to make sure that they're not looking at you as just a meal ticket, good provider, etc.
If they like you they should like you for who you are regardless.
Keep in mind though that not are latins are of color, original european latins are white, hence in this case spcifically brazilian among others in south america/caribbean, etc. you can get it all
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written by ernest johnson jr., October 23, 2007
aw brother, i really could care less about which color lady i end up with and yes i agree
with you about finding one for the right reasons.i've been "jacked" before. thanks for
the asdvice though!! smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif
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written by ernest johnson jr., October 23, 2007
advice!
Sergio Pena
written by Rodolfo Dias, November 01, 2007
To use Sergio Pena's research as statistics of racial mixing in Brazil is a mistake, you cannot rely on it. He is NOT doing any scyentifical research following correct statistical sampling criteria, neither the work goes at his expense, it's the other way around, he is just a guy who makes money out of seeling DNA scan examinations to anyone who ordered him the service. And the people who look for his service are people who already have doubts about their ancestry. It's like a pregnancy test, a woman would not be doing a pregnancy test if she was sure she wasn't pregnant, so White Brazilians would not look for Sergio Pena's DNA scann if they were sure about their ancestry.

Plus, Sergio Pena's scanning ignores Asian genetical markers. His scanning can only detect "Amerindian", "African" and "European", Asian genes simply cannot be detected on his scannings. Go check for themselves on http://laboratoriogene.info/Ge...Modelo.pdf (roll down to page 3 of the pdf archive).
Tenho orgulho
written by Natalia Rocha, November 22, 2007
Que tenha pelo menos um politico no Brasil que esteja pensando nas pessoas e nao no seu proprio salario. Espero que o senhor continue concorrendo pela presidencia - votarei para o senhor como votei na eleicao passada.
A Brazilian, 2007-10-21 20:14:20
written by Lloyd Cata, December 04, 2007
Brazil is not Racist
About racism itself I would say Brazil has no such problem, it certainly has racists, but this is NOT a widespread problem. My take on poverty is that certain social groups don't value education as means of advancing, I don't know why. They seem to make a huge effort to remain stupid although they could do much more. This racist discourse is perfect for them, because they can get things for free without working for it.

I see that you have somewhat educated yourself to functionally communicate. I also see that your education is the type of being an educated idiot. What your education was missing is the ability to analyze a situation both statistically and historically. Your stereotypes, of course, need no analysis - "blacks are stupid and lazy". It is that fundamental in your pea-brain. The slave-masters parrot could do a better discourse. How many times we heard this in America before Black Americans were admitted to the Ivy League universities? Now they must turn Blacks away and admit foreigners because of too much Black progress. Whatever Blacks aspire to do, whether academically, athletically, or socially, we excel farther and faster than some in this society expect or desire.

As an engineer who has been skilled and employed for more than 30 years, I understand being the only Black person in many professional and social contexts. I have worked and trained engineers also in Brazil so I can speak to both sides. Racism is a fact of life for Blacks in America and Brazil. In context, much worse in Brazil because of the total ignorance of the condition by 'white' Brazilians, and the size of the population of "people of color". America now has laws, even if mostly ineffective, to combat the disease of racism. Yes, I said "disease", because it is chronic and genetic, being passed from parents to children. Children are not, and this is proven many times, racist by nature. It is something they learn from adults and environment. Does YOUR education explain that to you? I think not! What YOUR education has given you is a set of beliefs that will doom you and your kind to the trash heaps of history.

BTW, there is a new push to find the German Nazis hiding among your "white" population. I don't want to cast stones, but it appears the remnants of the most racist genocidal regime in the world has found refuge in your house. Of course they are welcome, and I see from your words that they have been very productive in Brazilian society, politics, and education.
Role of Women in Brazil
written by Lamla, January 05, 2008
In my previous post above, I tried to critique Brazil based on my own personal experiences, however dangerous that maybe. Subsequent to that, I visited the South of Brazil (Curitiba,Floripa,etc). The country is amazingly beautiful and rich in fauna and flora. I did notice that the South is predominantly 'European' and even low level jobs (petrol attendants, cleaners,etc) are manned by blue eyed blonde men with a good sprinkle of typical Brazilians. However, in many garages, there were also female garage attendants and that triggered a new set of questions in me. Is there a place in main stream economics or politics for women in Brazil ? Other than Heloisa (the female candidate for Presidency), I get the impression that Brazilian women aspire to be attractive to men and consider beauty to be the ultimate objective. Sure, women value beauty but going overboard (silicone implants, bunda implants, etc) is indicative of something deeper. Am I right in postulating that women capital has no place in Brazilian society other than providing pleasures to men ? What is the proportion of women in ministerial positions in Brazil and what is the proportion of women in corporate leadership positions ? Are there any programmes to advance women to positions of meaningful power so that they could influence the direction in which the Brazilian society is moving ?

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