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The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil - Part 3 PDF Print E-mail
2007 - October 2007
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral   
Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:37

Brazil has more fresh water than any other country Here is the number one reason why China should invest in Brazil for the long-term. These investments should be viewed from China's perspective not just as another investment to maximize its returns on invested amounts. It should be viewed by China as a matter of national security and long-term survival for its people.

It should be viewed as a complement to China's own economic development considering the importance of securing a food supply for its very large and growing population.

A few years ago, I remember reading an article in The Economist magazine about global freshwater resources, and the article said that the number one reason for conflict and wars between countries in the 21st century was not going to be politics, ideology, and religion - it will be disputes regarding a very scarce and precious resource - freshwater.

Freshwater is very important because it is needed for life to exist. Human beings have many uses for freshwater including in agriculture, in industrial production, in all kinds of households uses, and as part of its environment such as rivers, and lakes.

Our planet's water resources are made up of two types of water: 1) salt water/ocean water which represents 97% of total water resources and, 2) freshwater with only 3% of the water resources available to us. And over two thirds or 2% of the freshwater is frozen in glaciers and polar ice caps, leaving only 1% available for human use in "surface" and in "groundwater" water.

It is estimated that the volume of global freshwater is made up of three types of freshwater:

1) The icecaps and glaciers are the largest sources of fresh water on earth at 68.7%.

2) Groundwater comprises 30.1% of all freshwater resources on earth.

3) Surface freshwater comprises 0.3% of all freshwater resources.

4) Other freshwater comprises 0.9% of all freshwater resources.

Surface freshwater is water in rivers, lakes, reservoirs, and wetlands. Surface water is naturally replenished by precipitation - rain or snow - and naturally lost through discharge to the oceans, evaporation, and sub-surface seepage. Surface freshwater is affected also by man-made pollution, and global warming.

The sources of the surface water are estimated to be: lakes (87%), swamps (11%), and rivers (2%).

Other freshwater sources also include desalination. Desalination is an artificial process by which ocean water is converted into freshwater. Desalination is currently very expensive compared to most alternative sources of water, and only a very small fraction of total human use is satisfied by desalination.

Of all the freshwater on Earth, only about 0.3% is surface freshwater contained in rivers and lakes - yet rivers and lakes are not only the water that most people are familiar with, but are also the source where most people get the water needed for their everyday lives.

Freshwater Usage

The main uses for freshwater are: it is estimated that 70% of worldwide use is for agriculture/irrigation. About 15% is for industrial uses such as in power plants, oil refineries, chemical plants, mining operations, and all kinds of manufacturing plants. And another 15% is used for household purposes such as cooking, drinking, bathing, sanitation and so on...

The supply of freshwater is not equally available around the world, and the supply that is available can be affected by many factors including the weather changes and overpopulation. For example, we see on the news on a regular basis major droughts in parts of Africa that result in famine to large parts of the population of various countries.

In the coming years China will have a major strategic problem to solve regarding freshwater rights. As they build new cities to accommodate the hundreds of millions of people who will migrate from rural areas to the big cities they will have to decide how to allocate their scarce freshwater supply. This suggests that they will have a growing conflict between agricultural water users, who currently consume the majority of the water, and its new demand required for use in the big Chinese cities.

We also have to keep in mind that China will face a severe freshwater shortage in the coming years due to physical scarcity, and a condition of overpopulation relative to their carrying capacity with respect to their freshwater supply.

In an article published in Foreign Policy (2001) issue 126 on pages 60-67 - "Dehydrating Conflict" the author said: "Water stress can also exacerbate conflicts and political tensions that are not directly caused by water. Gradual reductions over time in the quality and/or quantity of fresh water can add to the instability of a region by depleting the health of a population, obstructing economic development, and exacerbating larger conflicts.

Conflicts and tensions over water are most likely to arise within national borders, in the downstream areas of distressed river basins. Areas such as the lower regions of China's Yellow River or the Chao Phraya River in Thailand, for example, have already been experiencing water stress for several years. As well, countries that rely heavily on water for agricultural use, such as China, India, Iran, and Pakistan, are particularly at risk of water-related conflicts."

Here is where the connection between China and Brazil becomes so important in the coming decades, mainly from the Chinese perspective. The study published by the Pacific Institute regarding the global freshwater supply by country in 2006 - shows that Brazil is the richest country in the world regarding its total supply of freshwater.

Brazil has almost twice the amount of available freshwater as Russia, the country ranked second in the list of global freshwater supply. And Brazil also has almost 3 times more freshwater than the countries ranked 3rd (Canada), and 4th (United States of America) in that list.

Total renewable Freshwater Supply by Country (updated in 2006)

Annual Renewable Water Resources (km³/yr)

1) Brazil - 8,233.0

2) Russia - 4,498.0

3) Canada - 3,300.0

4) United States of America - 3,069.0

5) Indonesia - 2,838.0

6) China - 2,829.6

7) Colombia - 2,132.0

8) Peru - 1,913.0

9) India - 1,907.8

10) Venezuela - 1,233.2

All quantities are in cubic kilometers per year (km³/yr).

Source: Worldwater Org - Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment, and Security. These data are typically comprised of both renewable surface water and groundwater supplies.

The Guarani Aquifer

Located mainly in Brazil, the Guarani Aquifer covers about 1.2 million square kilometers (463,323 square miles) - it is the largest single body of groundwater in the world, and the aquifer's water is considered of excellent quality.

The Guarani Aquifer, located beneath the surface of the original four Mercosur countries (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay), is one of the world's largest aquifer systems and an important source of fresh water for its people. Named after the Guarani tribe, it covers 1,200,000 km², with a volume of about 40,000 km³, a thickness of between 50 m and 800 m and a maximum depth of about 1,800 m.

It is estimated to contain about 37,000 km³ of water and the largest single body of groundwater in the world, with a total recharge rate of about 166 km³/year from precipitation. It is said that this vast underground reservoir could supply fresh drinking water to the world for 200 years.

Due to an expected shortage of fresh water on a global scale, which environmentalists suggest will become critical in under 20 years, this important natural resource is rapidly becoming politicized, and the control of the resource becomes ever more controversial.

The area of the Guarani, in Argentina, is of 225,500 km²; in Paraguay is of 71,700 km²; in Uruguay is of 58,500 km², and in Brazil is of 840,000 km², spreading itself under the subsoil of eight states (Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul, Goiás, Minas Gerais, São Paulo, Paraná, Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul), and 70.2% of the total area of the aquifer is located in Brazil.

The area where the Guarani is located is characterized by concentrating in the most important agricultural zone of each country. Besides, the entire region is characterized by fertile lands and soil with high indices of productivity where farming of soy, maize, wheat, barley, sugar-alcohol, etc., are well developed, and with excellent potential for further development of the cattle business with its great diversity of breeds, beyond an industry already well diversified.

It is calculated that the annual extraction of the water from aquifers from around the world is of 160 billion cubical meters or 160 trillions of liters with some countries showing extreme usage such is the case in China, India, Saudi Arabia, Africa of the North and in the United States. On the other hand, Brazil is in great shape when compared with these countries regarding its freshwater supply.

Privatization - the Wrong Strategy

Freshwater net published an article on its website saying: "Global consumption of water is doubling every 20 years, more than twice the rate of human population growth.

... Multinational corporations recognize these trends and are trying to monopolize water supplies around the world. Monsanto, Bechtel, and other global multinationals are seeking control of world water systems and supplies.
 
The World Bank recently adopted a policy of water privatization and full-cost water pricing. This policy is causing great distress in many Third World countries, which fear that their citizens will not be able to afford for-profit water.

... "Governments around the world must act now to declare water a fundamental human right and prevent efforts to privatize, export, and sell for profit a substance essential to all life." Research has shown that selling water on the open market only delivers it to wealthy cities and individuals.
 
Governments are signing away their control over domestic water supplies by participating in trade treaties such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and in institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO). These agreements give transnational corporations the unprecedented right to the water of signatory companies.

... Water-related conflicts are springing up around the globe. Malaysia, for example, owns half of Singapore's water and, in 1997, threatened to cut off its water supply after Singapore criticized Malaysia's government policies.
 
Monsanto plans to earn revenues of US$ 420 million and a net income of US$ 63 million by 2008 from its water business in India and Mexico. Monsanto estimates that water will become a multibillion-dollar market in the coming decades.

Yet governments are handing responsibility of this precious resource over to giant transnational corporations which, in collusion with the World Bank and the World Trade Organization, seek to commodify and privatize the world's water and put it on the open market for sale to the highest bidder.

Millions of the world's citizens are being deprived of this fundamental human right, and vast ecological damage is being wrought as massive industry claims water once used to sustain communities and replenish nature."

Freshwater Policy in Brazil

Freshwater policy in Brazil should protect the entire freshwater system in Brazil including groundwater, and should keep it as a community service, and access to freshwater should be considered as a fundamental right of every person living in Brazil.

The water companies in Brazil should be developed with help from the federal government and they should operate such as mutual insurance companies in the United States - they should operate as non-profit organizations and the owners of these water companies should be the communities being served by the water company system.

The cost of water in Brazil should be priced according to the usage of the customers of the water companies, but a reasonable amount of freshwater should also be supplied to the poorest members of society who can't afford the cost of these services without the help from the federal government.

The water distribution system of any area in Brazil shouldn't be allowed to be privatized under any circumstance not only today, but also in the future.

Brazil should add on its constitution an amendment forbidding the privatization of any water company in Brazil, and if there is any private water company today they should deprivatize and turn it into a non-profit mutual company.

The same rules should also apply to the entire sewage system in Brazil.

If the Brazilian government does not act very strongly in this direction, then a very few major players (corporations) will try to control the freshwater system in Brazil. Remember, these corporations would make a major monetary killing for themselves at the expense of the entire population, and they would also interfere with the development of the Brazilian economy.

In the coming decades freshwater rights will become a major issue and a battlefield between the have and have-nots in country after country around the world. Today it is time to spell out in black and white all the government regulations which will affect that area of infrastructure development and create the guidelines which would help preserve the Brazilian freshwater reserves that are available today. Being proactive today in that regard would also give all the necessary protection to a system and a national asset that will play a fundamental role in the future development of the Brazilian economy.

Brazil also should make an agreement with the other Mercosur countries including Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay regarding the freshwater usage from the Guarani Aquifer. And this agreement should be in line with the government regulations regarding freshwater and sewage that would be in force in Brazil; including the regulation forbidding privatization of freshwater distribution systems.

A New Global Trend

The Financial Times (UK) published an article on May 24, 2007 - "Thirsty work - Australia's drought puts export farming on trial." That particular article gives us in a nutshell what is happening today in many countries around the world. This problem is happening not only in Australia; it is a major issue that will be discussed in the near future by many countries around the world exporting agricultural products.

Now quoting from that article: "Spot the odd one out. Asia has billions of cheap workers, so exports manufactures. Europe has millions of graduates, so exports banking. Africa has steamy tropical regions, so exports fruit. America has Hollywood, so exports movies. And Australia is the second-driest continent on earth after Antarctica, so it exports water.

... In the wake of the worst drought in living memory in Australia, a battle over the use of water is raging between farmers, urban consumers and environmentalists. Australia in effect sends abroad billions of cubic meters of water a year by using it to grow a US$ 25 billion dollars worth of exported farm goods, both "dryland" (rain-fed) produce such as wheat, beef, wool and dairy, and irrigated crops such as rice and fruit.

If farmers can no longer export on that scale, the worldwide implications will be serious.

... Like many Australian farming communities, it is a place built to feed far-off consumers. Farm products, which suck up 65-70 per cent of the country's water, make up nearly a quarter of all exports.

... But despite a historical Australian reverence for farming and rural life, the use of water in agriculture has now come under intense scrutiny. Trade should enable dry countries to import water by buying water-intensive food and fibre. Egypt, for example, now imports half its wheat, the traditional staple food. Parched Australia, however, is the world's largest net exporter of the "virtual water" embedded in farm produce.

Critics charge this means the country is in effect sucking itself dry to subsidize foreign consumers, and that it should expand other exports instead. Environmentalists say both irrigation and dryland farming deplete water stocks and cause rivers and the country's already naturally salty earth to become dangerously saline.

... Irrigated farming is under particular scrutiny. Just 0.5 per cent of Australian farmland is artificially watered, but it produces 23% of agricultural output. So much is financially and psychologically invested in irrigation in towns such as Griffith that to end it will be an enormous upheaval.

... Yet for many Australians the question is whether agriculture is a good use of water within Australia, not whether its farmers are more efficient than their counterparts in wetter countries. Many cities are suffering severe limits on water use.

... As most scientists believe, global warming means south-eastern Australia's climate is on a drying trend. Another few dry years and no amount of pleading is likely to save the irrigators. It is not a pleasant prospect in Griffith, still arguing that what it does benefits Australia and the world beyond."

The growing scarcity and competition for water resources are becoming a major threat to important breadbaskets areas in India and also in China. An increasing number of the rural poor on these countries are coming to see entitlement and access to water for food production and for domestic purposes as a more critical problem than access to health care and education.

World Resources Institute (WRI) has estimated that 41% of the world's population, or 2.3 billion people, live in river basins under 'water stress,' meaning that per capita water supply is less than 1,700 m³/year. Water scarcity is partly due to the uneven geographic distribution of water, as determined by the Earth's climate system. It is also a result of regional variations in population size such as in China and India.

Lester R. Brown from the Earth Policy Institute wrote: "Water scarcity may be the most underestimated resource issue facing the world today. As world water demand has more than tripled over the last half-century, signs of water scarcity have become commonplace. Some of the more widespread indicators are rivers running dry, wells going dry, and lakes disappearing.

... This reported 1% growth would be reassuring, but it appears to be overstated since governments are much better at gathering data on new irrigation projects than on irrigation reductions as water is diverted to cities or aquifers are depleted. It is quite possible that the historical growth in world irrigated area has come to a halt, and the area could even be declining."

Five years ago World Water Org. published a book The World's Water and the book was an effort to explore, understand, and solve a variety of critical water issues that include the global water crisis, global warming and water, privatization and globalization of water, and water-related conflicts.

They also said: "The central thrust of The World's Water 2002-2003 is that we must rethink the way we capture, distribute, and use water if we are to meet the challenges of increasing scarcity and growing populations.

Water is one of our most critical resources issues that we will have to deal with in the coming years, and there is the complex connection between water and food production which is being made even more complex because we still don't fully understand the consequences and the impact of climate change and global warming on the entire food production system of our planet.

Global consumption of water is doubling every 20 years, more than twice the rate of human population growth. According to the United Nations, more than one billion people already lack access to fresh drinking water. If current trends persist, by 2025 the demand for fresh water is expected to rise by 56% more than the amount of water that is currently available.

This article is part 3 of a four-part series.

Ricardo C. Amaral is a writer and economist. He can be reached at brazilamaral@yahoo.com.



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The Economist
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 11, 2007
“The Economist” magazine issue Oct 6th – 12th, 2007 published an article about Australia’s farmers “Dried up, washed out, fed up.”

The article is very similar to the article that I mentioned from The Financial Times – UK.

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Dried up, washed out, fed up.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 11, 2007
You can read The Economist article at:

http://www.economist.com/world...id=9912653


Australia’s farmers “Dried up, washed out, fed up.”

WHEN rains fell in May after 11 dry years in a row, Bruce Crafter borrowed from his bank to sow a wheat crop on the family farm where he grew up in western Victoria. Like thousands of Australian farmers who have watched their livelihoods wither away under the country's worst drought in a century, Mr Crafter was encouraged by forecasts of follow-up spring rains in September. He sold one-third of his expected bumper crop on the futures market. But the rains never arrived, and the crops that promised salvation have failed. With no intended irony, Mr Crafter says: “We've been washed out.”…

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Ricardo....
written by bo, October 11, 2007
one simple question. Would you feel comfortable investing 200 billion dollars in Brazil? With all the corruption that goes on in this place? Did you know that last year they did a federal audit and found that 92% of ALL municipalities in Brazil had accounting irregularities? And those are the ones they caught! One can safely assume that number is even higher!

When all is said and done, people and/or gov'ts. just aren't going to feel comfortable investing large percentages of their investment capital in any country where the rule of law isn't adhered to nor enforced.
Ricardo
written by aes, October 11, 2007
Brazil would do well to prepare a credible military deterent. Since water is life. How does Brazil defend itself from a foreign threat when it cannot defend itself from the threat within?

And why does a son of Brazil such as yourself live outside of Brazil when there is so much that needs to be done in the governing of Brazil?

And how do your propose that water destined for China be moved? Pipeline, hugh tankers? Wouldn't it be simpler to just ship the product of said water; utilizing Chinese labor in its production? Brazil could become hosts, inn keepers to the millions of Chinese agricultural workers? Brazil could become enablers of the Chinese adventure into Brazil.

The ancient Aramaic word for war is 'milchama' its root is l'echem', bread. It seems there is nothing new under the sun, unless it is a dirth of water.
Ricardo . . . PULEEEZE!!!
written by JR, October 12, 2007
Ricardo the Dreamer
written by JR, 2007-10-11 19:41:31
Ricardo,

I'm not sure what kind of background you have but your theories aren't rooted in reality whatsoever. You speak about China as if it will continue to grow at 12% and eventually have a nice, soft landing and everyone will live happily ever after. As much as you have some very noble and idealistic goals, they are COMPLETE RUBBISH in terms of probability.

China and India certainly have no use for Brazil in terms of skilled labor. They have plenty of their own who, generally speaking, are superior to most around the world. With an average wage of $350 reais/month, you're not a real player in terms of purchasing power and your bureaucracy could f**k up a wet dream. You will continue to supply cheap commodities like you've always done and take China's overflow exports like the good little 2nd tier consumers that you are. Your idiot president opened Brazil up to Chinese dumping and soon you'll be offshoring your own workforce. Your wages may be low, but they can certainly go lower in other nations.

Furthermore, China is heading for a bust of monumental proportions. Explain how they're going to put the brakes on when the train keeps speeding along at a 12% BREAKNECK clip. How will they do that without sending the economy into a stall. That you keep hyping China demonstrates that you're not meant to be taken seriously. Anyone who currently dwells inside the beast knows that China is an economic disaster waiting to happen with its primitive banking structure, creeping inflation/price controls and foreign reserves that are being debased daily with the fall of the $$. China has more important things to invest in than Brazil. They must create 2.2 million jobs per month to prevent uprisings. You think they want to invest in nuclear power in Brazil? Get real.
aes bo
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Both of you have very good arguments. In relation to the water being sabotaged, the first thing any invasion army would do is to divert the water, poison it, or simply take over it. Also, we have water, but it is polluted from agricultural runoff and sewage mixing. Just take a look at how the sewage gets dumped directly into the ocean without a simple primary treatment. It takes millions of dollars to build a sewage water treatment plant with primary, secondary and tertiary treatment. I went to the Occoquan Sewage Treatment this summer and you should see the state of the art equipment. They dump water into the river that is 100% consumable. Quite the contrary in Brazil. I am trying to develop a program that will address the issue with the city of Rio, but as Bo mentioned, if I do a proposal that cost 1 million reais, you can be sure that in the end of the project, the development would be triple the original. Accountability and corruption is a major concern, and I can assure you that if the Brazilian government continues to turn the face the other way to the environmental degradation of its rivers, ocean, deforestation, exploration of soil, Brazil will be the new Haiti.
I think I have said this before, but I would propose Ricardo Amaral to start addressing the issues of conservation first. We are sending a mixed message to investors. First of all, a country that doesn't seek the well being of its citizens is hardly a country to be trusted. Secondly, a country that allows environmental devastation, is hardly a country to be taken seriously. Trust and transparency are two key elements lacking (or completely oblivious) in the minds of Brazil's politician.
Oh Indeed
written by Ric, October 12, 2007
Great post, Shelly, glad you had a good time at the sewage plant. If you are doing something you enjoy it makes life so interesting.
Ric
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Thanks, I do love what I do. I am going to the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic next year. In the Bahamas, I am doing a research on coral reefs and water quality. It will involve studying the impact of sewage, agricultural runoff on coral reefs. In Puerto Rico, we are going to start a conservancy program for secondary schools and in the Dominican Republic, I am going to do a research on coastal processes: erosion, deposition of sediment and study the longshore drift and its effects on local economy.
Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
You said: “one simple question. Would you feel comfortable investing 200 billion dollars in Brazil? With all the corruption that goes on in this place?”

Corruption is part of the international game – and if corruption was so high in the list of priorities regarding China’s investment decisions then they would not be investing in the United States, in many South American countries and in the African continent.

If corruption if one of the most important factors in deciding where to invest then China has the following choices the Scandinavian countries and Singapore and a very few other places.


You also said: “When all is said and done, people and/or gov'ts. just aren't going to feel comfortable investing large percentages of their investment capital in any country where the rule of law isn't adhered to nor enforced.”

That’s the reason why China is not investing a dime in the African Continent.

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written by Ric, October 12, 2007
Getting any grant money for all this excellent work?
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written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Yes we are 100% funded...paid expenses, including airline tickets, meals, lab and scuba diving equipment and a boat!
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written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
I am going with a group of 10 other people. In Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic I will be managing some things since I am fluent in Spanish.
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
You said: “Brazil would do well to prepare a credible military deterent. Since water is life. How does Brazil defend itself from a foreign threat when it cannot defend itself from the threat within?”

I wrote over the years many articles about Brazil and Nuclear Weapons:

May 2002 – “We Need the Bomb – Part I”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/2575/38/


February 2003 – “We Need the Bomb – Part II”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/2186/27/


June 2003 – “Food for Nukes the Answer for Brazil”

http://brazzil.com/p104jun03.htm


Note: Thousands and thousands of people around the world it did read my articles regarding Brazil and nuclear weapons.



You asked me: “And why does a son of Brazil such as yourself live outside of Brazil when there is so much that needs to be done in the governing of Brazil?”

There is a lot one can do to help ones country from anywhere around the world. I am doing with my articles and ideas and I am also trying to put my ideas into practice by convincing people in the Arab world to invest in Brazil. I am working in such a project right now.


You said the following: “And how do your propose that water destined for China be moved? Pipeline, hugh tankers?”

I never mentioned once on my article that Brazil should start supplying China with water.

My article is about food production, and when you are exporting agriculture products or all kinds of meet – your country is indirectly exporting part of its water resources since it takes a lot of water to grow the food supply and the grain necessary to feed the animals.

Read the portion of the article when I mentioned the problem that Australia is having right now.

By the way, tonight I was watching CNN with Lou Dobbs and one of the main stories was about the drought that we have in the US in many areas of the country. It is a very serious problem for a lot of people and cities like Atlanta started having major rationing of water and it will affect many businesses that use a lot of water such as The Coca Cola Company; and many of these businesses will cut their work force because of this water problem.

To answer your question Brazilian workers know how agriculture works and they don’t need to import Chinese workers from China to work in Brazil - for Brazil to be able to sell its foodstuff products in China.

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Leesburg
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
By the way, tonight I was watching CNN with Lou Dobbs and one of the main stories was about the drought that we have in the US in many areas of the country. It is a very serious problem for a lot of people and cities like Atlanta started having major rationing of water and it will affect many businesses that use a lot of water such as The Coca Cola Company; and many of these businesses will cut their work force because of this water problem.


I think I mentioned about Leesburg and the water shortage: http://www.leesburg2day.com/ar...100107.txt

Americans will keep the grass looking green, but will not conserve. In my opinion, the HOA regulations of Lansdowne are pretentious-there is a mandatory "keep you lawn looking green" regulation. Sometimes I feel as if I am living on Wisteria Lane.
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written by aes, October 12, 2007
It is the government of Brazil that is in such need Ricardo. It is a shame to see such clarity of thought, as yours not directly applied to governing. There is such a lack of competent leadership in Brazil. It is tragic when so many millions of Brazilians could benefit from the current wealth of Brazil, but do not because of a recrudescence, an insidious underbelly of graft, greed, corruption and incompetence.
Reply to JR
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007

You said: “You will continue to supply cheap commodities like you've always done and take China's overflow exports like the good little 2nd tier consumers that you are.”

Here is my answer to you – please read the following:

On July 31, 2006 the cover story of Business Week magazine – “Emerging Giants – The New Multinationals” - Multinationals from China, India, Brazil, Russia, and even Egypt are coming on strong. They're hungry -- and want your customers. They're changing the global game….

If you want to read the rest of the article then go to:

Here is why the world’s smart money is being invested in Brazil.


Here is my answer to you – please read the following:

On July 31, 2006 the cover story of Business Week magazine – “Emerging Giants – The New Multinationals” - Multinationals from China, India, Brazil, Russia, and even Egypt are coming on strong. They're hungry -- and want your customers. They're changing the global game….

If you want to read the rest of the article then go to:

Here is why the world’s smart money is being invested in Brazil.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76323&perpage=6&pagenumber=4


Replies = 96
Views = 12,631


Brazil the New Emerging Global Power

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...adid=61206


If you think China is going to crash then you should read the following:

On March 2, 2007 Brazzil Magazine published my latest article “Here Is Why Brazil Should Adopt the New Asian Currency” - you can read it on the following web site:

http://www.brazzil.com/content...llComments


“While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America”
Published on June 2, 2005

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9296/76/

Note: So far over 10,000 people took the time to read this article, and there are 100 follow up comments regarding the article.


You also said: “China has more important things to invest in than Brazil. They must create 2.2 million jobs per month to prevent uprisings. You think they want to invest in nuclear power in Brazil?”

You certainly did not read my entire article – all 4 parts – otherwise you would not make many of your comments.

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written by aes, October 12, 2007
Yes Brazil's agriculture and ranching is non pareil. Its agronomy is state of the art and the future of a good part of the world. People will always buy food. Or steal it. Since you were speaking of the coming global drought it is inevitable that Brazil should become an object of envy. Countries go to war to survive. I was not thinking of Brazil in terms of tactical nuclear armament, but rather of an effective airforce, expanded motorized ground defenses, as well as a credible navy. If you have nothing, you have nothing to defend. Brazil increasingly has a great deal, and by consequence has a great deal to defend. It is one of the richest countries on the planet. Verden and nascent. It a garden unto the world.
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
You said: “First of all, a country that doesn't seek the well being of its citizens is hardly a country to be trusted. Secondly, a country that allows environmental devastation, is hardly a country to be taken seriously.”

Are you talking about the United States the country that creates more pollution than any other country on earth?

Two items that I mentioned on my plan are the investment in a sewage system, and also the environment protection of the water system.

Here is an article that mentioned some major problems in Brazil

July 2000 – “Overpopulated”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6963/73/


Today, things can move forward much faster than at any other time.

"Wiki technology" changes everything in the economy.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...adid=91498


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Reply to JR
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
Something went wrong when I posted the following - that is why I am reposting.

Here is why the world’s smart money is being invested in Brazil.

Here is my answer to you – please read the following:

On July 31, 2006 the cover story of Business Week magazine – “Emerging Giants – The New Multinationals” - Multinationals from China, India, Brazil, Russia, and even Egypt are coming on strong. They're hungry -- and want your customers. They're changing the global game….

If you want to read the rest of the article then go to:

Here is why the world’s smart money is being invested in Brazil.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...er=4[/url

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Reply to JR
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
Let me try one more time to get the link to work.

Here is why the world’s smart money is being invested in Brazil.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=4
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
The US will be surpassed by China! No one is denying the US is the world's biggest polluter, however, they do recycle more than any other county in the world and invest on alternative energy. Some government buildings are using methane for energy. Go to Fairfax county waste and recycling center and you will see what I am talking about. Also Fairfax has several green buildings that are very environmentally friendly. Example, some of the flooring is made of recycled toys, like Lego. Brazil on the other hand, exploits the poor people, recycling in our country borne out of economic desperation.

Here is some facts for you, from my research into renewable energy. You should know that high GDP GNP=high energy consumption. Question still remains, will our country destroy the environment or protect it? I have a family member that was kidnapped at gun point while working for IBAMA in the Amazon. I have yet to see someone doing this in the US!

The US has roughly 50% of world's geothermal electrical generating power

California alone, produces 40% of world's geothermal electricity
Pacific Gas and Electric has one of the world's largest complexes of geothermal generating facilities located North of San Francisco and it serves 2.9 million people.

439 nuclear power plants in 31 countries-supplying 16% of electricity

US- 104 plants-supplying 20% of electricity

Wind and solar source of electricity has been growing 30%, it accounts for 3.9% of US energy consumption- Midwestern US has been called the Saudi Arabia of wind.

The US is investing heavily on tidal/oceanic/wave energy research
on solar, wind , hydrogen, biomass and waste to energy. All of which I understand 100%.

Now, you are so keen on the Chinese, this is the environment consequences of the Three Gorges Dam.

1) threatening migratory fish
2)concentration of water pollution
3)endanger to point of extinction of some alligators, river dolphins (which have not been seen since 2004), Siberian white crane, Chinese sturgeon...
4)inundated 153 towns, 4500 villages
5)submerged archaeological sites, scenic canyons
6)disruption of sediments
7) high mercury levels
smilies/cool.gifconcentration of pollutants

My trip is being funded by the NOAA, do you think I would have a chance of doing this if I was in Brazil?


Here are some information on recycling by countries
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
http://www.mapsofworld.com/wor...tries.html

The US recycles 90% of its aluminum!

Brazil Takes Can-Do Tack On Recycling
80% of nation's aluminum containers find their way back to manufacturers
Michael Astor / AP 3jan00

RIO DE JANEIRO - Brazilians don't pay deposits on containers, rarely separate their trash and think little of tossing an empty soda can from a car window. "Please Don't Litter" signs are roundly ignored.

Yet Brazil is poised to catch up with Japan as a leader among the world's biggest countries in recycling aluminum cans.

The reason is Luiz Carlos Carola, and a legion like him.

Carola was homeless when he started collecting cans outside the Rio bus station three years ago. Today, he has a roof over his head, spends his weekends at a modest .beach resort outside the city and earns about $260 per month- not bad money in a country where nearly half the people get by on $150 per month or less.

"As long as there are ill-mannered people, I'll earn a good living," Carola says.

Ecological consciousness has been slow in coming to Brazil, where the poor have little education and the well-off have maids to pick up after them. Throwaway containers are tossed everywhere; and beachgoers think nothing of leaving a pile garbage behind when they go home.

All the same, the Brazilian Aluminum Association says the country should recycle 80 percent of the 9.5 billion aluminum cans sold in 2000. That would put them up with the current leader, Japan, which recycled 79 percent of its cans in 1999.

Some small European countries recycle almost 90 percent of their cans, but the association says Japan and Brazil are far ahead of other populous countries.

For instance, the United States recycled 63 percent of its cans in 1999, and Europe as a whole recycled 41 percent. The rate was 51 percent in Argentina,. South America's second-largest economy after Brazil.

There's more than altruism involved. Recycling can be good business.

To produce a ton of aluminum from scratch requires 5 tons of bauxite and 16,000 kilowatt-hours of electricity. With recycling, you need a ton of old cans and just 750 kilowatt-hours of electricity, a boon for a country straining to meet electricity demand.

Aluminum cans are relatively new to Brazil. They were introduced only in 1990, when the Skol brewery began using them to provide a smaller, more convenient alternative to the traditional 22-ounce glass bottles.

Since then, the market for aluminum cans has grown more than 3,000 percent, and recycling them has become a $110 million per. year industry that employs an estimated 150,000 people, the aluminum association says.

"The mainspring that drives (recycling) is the sheer volume of garbage pickers we have," says Elder Rondelli, marketing and recycling manager for aluminum-maker Alcan.

"But it's not just because Brazil is a miserable country and it's just the poor who are recycling. It's starting to penetrate the middle class."

Aluminum is the gold of garbage picking - pound for pound worth 10 times more than plastic; 12 times more than glass and 30 times more than paper on the local recycling market. A full-time can collector can earn up to five times the minimum wage.

Thanks to cans, Carola is now what the Brazilian government calls a microbusinessman.

Still, the aluminum industry wants to move beyond reliant on the professional trash collectors. With an educational program &. rected at schools, churches, hotels and tenant associations, it is trying to teach privileged Brazilians to recycle.

The most aggressive of these efforts is headed by aluminum-can-maker Latasa, which accounts for half of Brazil's can market and a fourth of all recycling. Today, 55 percent of Latasa's cans are made from recycled aluminum.

Latasa has 16,000 institutions involved its a program that awards cash and prizes in return for used cans. The company also has 47 recycling centers around Rio arid Sao Paulo where collectors can sell aluminum for the equivalent of 36 cents per pound and also buy food at discount prices.

"We saw the proliferation of cans could be a problem, so we decided to invest in recycling early on," Latasa's recycling director, Jose Roberto Giosa, said.

Giosa says Latasa's success has stirred interest in recycling other products.

"Other sectors will have to follow because the public demands it," he says, pointing out that 18 recycling laws are pending in Brazil's Congress.

But Giosa questions whether legislation mandating recycling is the proper approach.

"We developed a Brazilian solution, we didn't have to copy anyone and we learned through trial and error," he says. "It was done without taxes or subsidies, and it was based totally on the market. That's why it works."
Municipal solid Waste
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
This is a good web site, it gives latest environmental policy changes and current energy trends.

http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw/muncpl/facts.htm
sorry, the copy and paste didn't work...here we go again
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Curitiba it is known all around the world as a model city of the future
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
In Brazil we also have competent people who know how to solve major problems – some members of my family have been living in Curitiba for the last 25 years and they saw first hand the transformation of that town.

Curitiba is an actual example of Brazilian know how at its best. It’s a showcase to the world of Brazilian ingenuity and problem solving.

The State of Parana has a population of around 8.5 million people and it is bigger in size than Austria, Belgium and Portugal combined.

The capital Curitiba has about 1.6 million people and the population is growing at a rate of 5% per year. The population in Curitiba is 94.5% literate. Curitiba has 55 public libraries, 73 cultural centers and museums, 19 theaters, an extensive and modern hotel network, a very large convention center, and other smaller ones, 15 large public parks. Its telephone system is one of the most modern in Brazil, Curitiba is connected through digital and fiber optics systems.

Curitiba it is known all around the world as a model city of the future and people come from all over the world to study Curitiba as a model town for the best quality of life available anywhere. Curitiba is known as the ecological capital of South America.

Curitiba is a town with a population of 1.6 million people in the southern portion of Brazil. Curitiba bills itself as one of the three towns in the world for anyone to live in for its high level of quality life.

Curitiba has the most advanced public transportation system of the country. Curitiba manages to offer, at the same time to its inhabitants, all the advantages of a big city and all the quality of life of a small village.

The life quality level which Curitiba offers is so high that many companies indicates that this is a determining factor for them to locate operations in Curitiba. Some of the major companies with operations in Curitiba are as follows: Volvo, Robert Bosch, Becton Dickinson, Fiat, Furukawa (fiber optics), Pepsico, Alfa Metals, Phillip Morris, Nipponnenso/Toyota (car aircond), Siemens, Renault, Chrysler, Audi, BMW, Benneton and many other international companies.

Today Curitiba is an outstanding city thanks to the vision of an architect named Jamie Lerner.

First, Mr. Lerner did an outstanding job as mayor of Curitiba, the capital of the State of Parana in the south of Brazil. Then he became Governor of the state, and he was re-elected Governor of the State of Parana in October 1998. Mr. Lerner may have a chance in the future to be elected President of Brazil.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
What can stop the Brazilians people from transforming the entire country based on the best ideas that were developed during the successful environmental and economic development plan that were designed and implemented in Curitiba?

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Frontline on PBS - about Jamie Lerner and Curitiba.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
The program Frontline on PBS broadcasted an interview with Jamie Lerner in December of 2003 – Brazil - Curitiba’s Urban Experiment.


Interview With Jamie Lerner

Jamie Lerner stands as something of a hero among his fellow Curitibanos. The chief architect of the Curitiba Master Plan, he was appointed mayor during Brazil's military dictatorship in 1971. When the nation returned to democracy, he was elected to another term. During his 12 years in office, Lerner devised many of Curitiba's innovative, inexpensive solutions to city problems. For instance, in the early days of the public transit system, to increase its funding and encourage ridership, he made a special city lottery, valuing bus fare as lottery tickets. To combat Curitiba's growing litter problem, he created more incentives for recycling, including exchanging bottles, cans and other recyclables for food. Lerner believed in implementing plans swiftly -- in just 72 hours, he converted the city's downtown into Brazil's first pedestrian mall.

Lerner's track record in Curitiba helped him gain the trust and confidence he needed to reach state office, and he served as governor from 1994 to 2002. Today, Lerner consults with cities on their plans for addressing long-term growth and sustainability.

I met with Lerner in the central Curitiba house he built for his family and which has been his home for 40 years. The structure, recently converted into a live-work space, bucks traditional home design. Lerner built the house to conform to the land rather than raising it above the lot's hilly landscape. For example, rooms in the back are half-buried underground. After a tour of his home and office, we sat down in his front room and, under lofted ceilings and exposed beams, discussed the principles of the Curitiba model. As the shadows cast by the afternoon light grew longer on the table between us, Lerner reflected on the ability of all cities to change.


How is it that Curitiba has been so successful in changing over time?

Many times I was asked, "What is a process of changing?" After those 32 years, I can say to make change, a real change, in a city -- or in a state, or anywhere -- you have to have political will, solidaristic view and an equation of co-responsibility. And when you have an equation of co-responsibility, when people understand the ideas, everyone, they know how to share it.

What is the secret to Curitiba's success?

Simplicity. We never tried to have all the answers because if you try to have all the answers, it's...not leaving for the next generations everyone to make their contributions, and synergy. In Curitiba, it showed that it is possible. Every time when I hear "Ah, that city is so big, it's not possible" or "It's too difficult," that drives me crazy. You know, now, I can say every city in the world can make important changes in less than two years. And it's not a question of money, it's just a question of how to transform every problem [into] a solution. If you have a problem, you have to build an equation of co-responsibility.

Can you give an example of this kind of urban planning problem-solving?

I remember in the year 1992 we were asked for an exhibit of Curitiba in New York. So I said why just the images, why not put in a system? And we put an experimental line in just five days in New York... With the bureaucracy...it was always, "Oh, this is not possible." "Why is this not possible?" "Because the unions won't allow it." So I said let's go to the unions. And we discussed the idea. "Oh, this is not possible because of handicap requirements." So let's go talk to [those bureaucrats]. And little by little, but in a very fast way, we got the system working in five days. So we sent boarding tubes and buses just to give an example. In Istanbul, using the biggest airplane they have -- Antonov, it's a Russian airplane -- we transported double articulated buses and tubes, and in one week we put in [a transportation system].

Source:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlinewo...erner.html

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China is mind- boggling to me - Part 1
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
About two years ago I had an interesting discussion with some people online – the subject was China and everybody was bashing China in every way they could - and some people were negative about everything regarding China as the person who uses the name JR on the above comments.

I found out that not everybody on that forum had stopped using their brain to think – there was a fellow in that forum who understood the point that I was trying to make and we were able to have an interesting conversation. These are things that came to mind when I was having a conversation with that fellow. And here are some of the things that I told him at that time.

I find China to be a fascinating subject regarding its economic development and their society in general - and it is mind boggling to me how they are able to make that country to function and prosper on the global economy.

I have no idea how anyone can govern a country with 1.3 billion people. It is impossible to let 1.3 billion people lose inside a country, and let them move freely to go anywhere that they please at any time. You probably would have chaos inside China in no time if they let people go to any place that they want at any time.

I have a hard time trying to figure out how to fix things in Brazil a country with less than 200 million people. I have no idea how anyone can run the Chinese economy and a country such as China.

In reality China is two-countries in one, in the same way that Brazil is two-countries in one. In Brazil we have 80 million people living a life no different than a life of an average European, or an average American, then we have the other Brazil of over 100 million people living in complete poverty.

In China we probably have 200 million Chinese living the good life; with a good job and a decent standard of living, and then you have the other China with 1.1 billion or more people living in poverty.

I heard in the radio the other day that today 70 percent of the Chinese population who are peasants that still are living out of their local agricultural system. But as China economy develops in the near future, these people will be displaced and they will flood the already overpopulated major Chinese towns. If only half of these people decide to move to the large Chinese cities plus the regular growth of the population, we are talking about 600 or 700 million people moving to town. The Chinese will need to build approximately 30 new cities of the size of Sao Paulo or Mexico City (about 20 million people)

Where do you put 30 new cities with 20 million people each? You need a reservoir of water for each city, and everything else that a big city needs.

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China is mind- boggling to me - Part 2
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
If anything I find amazing that China is doing so well, and doesn’t blow itself up into a nasty civil war between the have’s and have not’s people.

China is doing very well in the global economy, but even though China is taking away a lot of jobs from the US, Europe and South America, China still losing more jobs from their old economic structure than they are wining with the new ball game – Only Brazil had a bigger loss of manufacturing jobs during the period 1998 – 2003 than China. The major economies of the world had a net loss of over 25 million manufacturing jobs during that period.

China has over 100 million people unemployed today; and many millions more are underemployed. How do you create a job for all these unemployed Chinese, and the ones in the pipeline?

How many new jobs China has to create per year to keep its population employed? And remember China’s economy is not using technology of 50 years ago and trying to employ as many people as they can. China is turning themselves also into a state-of-the-art economy with advanced technologies in many areas, and that implies an efficient use of labor and new technologies.

I find China to be a mind-bogging place to me, and if I were in charge of the economic development of China I would not know where to start.

Let put in perspective to you: look at the United States supposed to be the richest country in the world, but when you look around the infrastructure of the country it is very old and obsolete and in disrepair; the subway system in New York needs at least $ 17 billion dollars in the next 5 years just to keep the system from collapsing. Plus the New York water system, the power grid, and so on need many more billions of new investments.

Then you go around the United States and you find out that the same story is going on in city after city.

If the United States with only 300 million people can’t keep up its infrastructure in decent shape, can you imagine the problem that the Chinese must have with 1.3 billion people?

How do you provide health care and education for 1.3 billion people? How 1.3 billion people move inside a country a little bigger than the US? Everything about China is mind-bogging to me - how to supply water, transportation, and how to feed 1.3 billion people?

One thing we know for sure - that the Chinese leadership are not morons; if they were then China would be in big trouble today.

Can you imagine George W. Bush as president of China? That place would be in chaos in no time. I can see “The Moron” saying to the Chinese people for now on you people can have as many babies as you want; He would start here and from there would be all down hill for the Chinese. After a few years in office, he probably would break a Chinese record, and he would be considered the worse Chinese leader in 4,000 years.

How do you balance all of this?

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China and the United States.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 12, 2007
One last note on China – the Lou Dobbs program on CNN gives a bashing on China on a daily basis – and he always start by saying Communist China. – I guess to remind people of the old Soviet Union.

In the meantime China is giving a lesson to the United States on how cannibalistic capitalism works – and a cannibalistic capitalism that affects the human condition almost everywhere.

The multinational corporations created with their technological revolution and creation of a world economy (globalization) that has resulted in a new type of cannibalistic capitalism. It has permitted, if not required, the downsizing of companies. These companies focus more on the global, not national, labor market, with resulting unemployment and lower wage scales in the industrialized world to maximize profits and enhance the balance sheets which support stock prices.

And a big beneficiary of this new system is China.

In my opinion, China’s new cannibalistic form of capitalism is eating the United States for breakfast.

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Ricardo
written by João Pinga, October 12, 2007
Historically, Brazil has been given every chance that exists to become a super power (or just a rich developed nation), and historically Brazil has landed on its ass each and every time inspiring the famous axiom: Brazil is the country of the future and always will be. All your models, all you brainstorming and predictions leave out one fundamental element or variable: The Brazilian factor.

You can have the greatest access to the world’s riches (as you do) and as long as there are Brazilians at the helm, disaster, corruption and mismanagement follows. International companies have HORROR story after horror story of dealing and training Brazilian middle mangers and senior staff (not to mention the general work force). Now, this isn’t a slight regarding individuals, it’s the culture that ferments the problems, as well as the bloated and retarded system of officialdom (where no signature is worth anything until a cartorio makes 3 reias) inspired by said culture. You, like your brethren here, are great on talk and great on story telling however when the time arrives for someone to roll up their sleeves and get to work, ya´ll are at the beach. (harsh I know, and yes there are a few diamonds in the rough scattered about the beach, but, well, ya.... It´s a pretty damn accurate generalization)

There is NOTHING that would please me more than seeing Brazil move forward, however after a decade here, I still find myself surprised at acts of politeness (given the rarity) or, if I manage to navigate a simple governmental labyrinth to acquire the most basic of documentation in less than 3 months. Things simply DON´T WORK. And until that is addressed, you can ask for billions from anyone you’d like, it’s not going to move Brazil forward.

I love the Jamie Lerner story because it speaks volumes to the Brazilian Factor. Surely, Curitiba is a cut above the rest in Brazil (it’s not that hard to look good when most of your competition still stinks of untreated sewage like Rio and Sao Paulo), however the great work done in Curitiba 25 YEARS AGO is in decline, and of course, what was seen as a model city, and a model change, WASN´T ADOPTED ANYWHERE ELSE IN BRAZIL. So, instead of the rest of the country (or the rest of the municipalities in the country) jumping on board and learning from Lerner´s trials and errors (remember, his changing the zoning of shopping districts nearly had him killed), Curitiba remained alone for 25 years and now is on its way down. This is the Brazilian Factor! You did have something to be proud of, but not anymore and of course NO ONE learned from it.

But this example is also from the “learned south” as many Brazilians like to boast. Head north, and it’s a region of coronals and lawless municipalities that, like Shelly mentioned, kidnap and threaten Federal employees. A Federal employee was killed last week in Cuiaba for trying to stop a farmer from illegally burning his fields. Big news? Nope. It happens too often for it to really be big news in Brazil.

So, invest 200 billion in Brazil, invest 400 billion, nothing will change. Economists will stick their chests out and mumble things like 4% growth in PIB, but they’ll still look over their shoulders fearing a mugging or assault going to and from work, and they’ll still scream at their TVs every time a politician is given a legal blessing to remain corrupt. Poverty will continue to go up, and educational standards down.

If you want to make a difference, stop with the articles from the US, and come here and get your hands dirty. If you were REALLY inspired by Brazil’s future, you wouldn’t be there. That speaks volumes.
I know of the Curitiba program
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
I know about the Curitiba program, if you take a simple EVPP class here in the US, you learn about the city. Curitiba's program is a national treasure. When did it start? What are the other states waiting for? China is mind boggling, yes the persecute anyone with slightest beef against the government. If you think free speech is a problem in the US, you are welcome to move to China. Yes, China and Brazil have a lot in common: pay sucks, people work long hours for nothing, huge gap between social classes, if you born poor you will likely continue to be poor. At least the Chinese education is better than in Brazil! I never said that China is not growing economically, but as they do, they are destroying the environment. There is a strong correlation between economic prosperity( solid foundations for the future) and the environment. The future of China on these terms, is unclear. The future of Brazil on these terms, is also unclear. China NOW is growing at an incredible rate, but one of two things: one, they are building an empire on sand or two they will exploit Brazil so much that in the end, Brazil will look like Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa.

On the other hand, I have so say I admire your positivism about Brazil, I wish I could do half of what I do here over there-knowing that my kids could walk down the street without the worry of having a lost bullet go through their heads. I love my country as much as you do, but I am a realist. Brazil needs action "yesterday". This is reason for my continuing education on oceanography an environmental protection and policy. My aunt and uncle work for IBAMA are highly skilled microbiologists and environmentalists, but you are now aware of what happened to her. Can you image being a women, in the middle of the jungle and have the NATIVES take you out of your office at gun point? Did you know that the indigenous population are being given guns to kill the environmentalists? Who do you think is paying for this? Who is responsible for not enforcing current environment laws? It is all very well to have laws, but the "jeitinho" and the "way around it", remains unchanged by the population and by the politicians.
The are several differences between Brazil and China. Investment in China goes where it is supposed to go. As I said, a friend of mine just came back from China and development there is incredible. Now let's take a look into Brazil. Do you know how much the Panamerican games original cost proposal was? How much it cost in the end? I understand that you should always write a proposal with estimates that allow for extra inconveniences, but the final cost of the project, has all the impressions of corruption, bad management,or simply, just plain ignorance.

In relation to the infrastructure in the US, in the summer I had the opportunity to meet an American gentleman, he has been a civil engineer all his life. He mentioned that civil engineering is the job of the future alongside with environmental protection. There is a shortage of civil engineers in the States, most kids want to study computers, but we all forget that Rome was the greatest empire because they invested on civil infrastructure. Bridges are a major issue, but at least I have seen some work being done, there are several bridges being worked on, the VA-MD bridge is good example.

The difference between China and Brazil is immense. The Chinese is one of the oldest culture, people are hard workers, take schooling seriously, on the other hand, the majority of population is educationally ignorant, prefer to sit by the beach, samba, go to the pagode, celebrate carnaval and watch novela and footbal on the telly. The country has novela from 6:00 until 10:00 on the MAIN CHANNEL. I like to call this Brainwashing.

correction
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
the majority in BRAZIL and woman.
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written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
What can stop the Brazilians people from transforming the entire country based on the best ideas that were developed during the successful environmental and economic development plan that were designed and implemented in Curitiba?

1) Education
2) Economic opportunity
3) Corrupt politicians
4) Corrupt ideas in general
5) Jeitinho behaviorism
What a waste of words and time
written by yowser, October 12, 2007
Wow, a whole debate based on an assumption that the global conflict will be over water. Global and regional conflict has always been over lack of wisdom. Intelligence and knowledge cannot prevent wars as human history has shown us. Human ingenuity and creativity will ensure there is no water problem.
Human ingenuity and creativity will ensure there is no water problem. No it wont.
written by aes, October 12, 2007
Environmental News Service
October 5, 2006

Millions could starve as drought worsens; A United Nations agency said 11 million people in four countries face starvation without increased food, water and agricultural assistance. AFRICA

Using a powerful climate model, the researchers analyzed future drought based on temperature and rainfall predictions.

The research shows that extreme drought could affect 30 percent of the world's land surface, up from the current span of 3 percent. Severe drought will affect 40 percent of the earth's land, up from eight percent, and moderate drought, which currently affects about 25 percent of the world's surface, will rise to 50 percent.

http://www.tradeobservatory.or...efID=89201
aes
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
Good point. The only countries that COULD benefit from human ingenuity are developed countries. Nomads are having to cross ethnic boundaries in search of water and then what happens then?
Curitiba program/Development of PR
written by João da Silva, October 12, 2007
Good Ole Col.Ney Braga must be resting in peace in his grave, thanking ya all for having forgotten him. So must be good ole José Richa smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, October 12, 2007
In relation to the infrastructure in the US, in the summer I had the opportunity to meet an American gentleman,


This American "Gentleman": What is his lineage?
This American "Gentleman": What is his lineage?
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
smilies/wink.gifThis American "Gentleman": What is his lineage? He is a commoner!
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written by João da Silva, October 12, 2007
This American "Gentleman": What is his lineage? He is a commoner!


In such case, he better remain in the good ole U.S. of A, where he has better chances of practising his Civil Engineering skills.
Joao
written by Shelly, October 12, 2007
I thought you lived here? Is that any chance that you could come back to the US for good?
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written by João da Silva, October 12, 2007
I thought you lived here? Is that any chance that you could come back to the US for good?


What made you think that I lived in U.S. of A ?
don't know...
written by Shelly, October 13, 2007
don't know, dear friend, just somehow thought that you lived here.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 13, 2007
don't know, dear friend, just somehow thought that you lived here.


I do live here in the Southern part of Brasil. But a bit of widely traveled person. No lineage to talk about, though smilies/grin.gif
Reply to yowser
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007

Tonight Wolf Blitzer from CNN News had a feature about the drought problem around Atlanta, GA – USA they said that the reservoir that supplies water for Atlanta has enough water for only another 90 days. They are getting desperate in Atlanta because of this drought. They were also interviewing people from the government in Michigan to see if there is the possibility to bring the water from the lakes in that area of the country to places such as Atlanta and Arizona.

The officials in Michigan said no – they don’t want to share their water resources with other states because they might also have to survive a future drought in that area of the country and they would need every drop of water that they can put their hands on.

Today Atlanta has a major problem regarding its water supply and many other communities around the United States are having the same type of problem.

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Reply to Joao Pinga
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
I know I am a lonely voice trying to bring to light everything that is positive about Brazil and my purpose is to build the Brazil of the future. I can’t change the past, but I have the power to change the future.

In the other forum some of the other people did complain to me that in most of my writings I am usually over optimistic about everything about Brazil and I never trash Brazil.

I promised them that I was going to write some articles to address some of the problems that it is obvious that we have in Brazil. I started writing an article about Brazil and crime – I started that article 7 years ago, has been an article in progress – the worst part is that I even have a plan on how to destroy the drug problem in Brazil – completely eradicate that problem once for all, and I spent months and months studying that problem as it relates to the United States and on my second book I have about 83 pages on that subject.

But I put the finishing touches on that article and I don’t know if I want to publish it.

I can say one thing I am not as negative as you are, but as a last resort we should bring the generals back to bring law and order to the entire country – no more gangs terrorizing the population, no more kidnappings.

Remember this would be my last choice after everything else fails.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 13, 2007
I can say one thing I am not as negative as you are, but as a last resort we should bring the generals back to bring law and order to the entire country – no more gangs terrorizing the population, no more kidnappings.



Somehow, right from the time I started reading your articles, I sensed that you belong to the School of thoughts of Roberto Campos! You do have lots of Balls and my Kudos.
You do have lots of Balls
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
Two years ago I posted the following on the elite trader, Charlie Rose Show, and also in the PBS forums.


October 12, 2005

SouthAmerica: When I wrote and published the enclosed article regarding the US Patriot Act I was a lonely voice expressing all these arguments against it – most Americans - here around the New York/New Jersey Metropolitan area - still just flag waving and doing almost no thinking about the US government’s reaction to 9/11 and its future consequences – every other car around our area had an American flag and everyone including the American mainstream media were not questioning what the US government was doing at that time.

On March 2002, “Brazzil” magazine, and “The Brasilians” newspaper published my article “September 11, 2001 and the Religious War that Changed the USA” By Ricardo C. Amaral. Quoting from that article I wrote the following:

“To wage a war on terrorism is an absurd idea. Since the beginning of this holy war against the U.S. starting on September 11, 2001 I have been trying to make sense of this situation and understand what is happening in the world. I am puzzled also by what lies ahead of us as the consequences of the actions and reactions of the U.S. government towards terrorism and how all of this will affect the economies of the United States and also of Brazil. I wrote this article because I have many questions on my mind related to what is happening, but I don't have many answers to resolve these problems.

After President Bush declared war on terrorism, the U.S. government took some drastic measures to wage war on terrorism. On October 26, 2001 the American President signed into law the USA Patriot Act of 2001. This law is based on the assumption that Americans are willing to give up their civil liberties in exchange for safety. A legislative analysis of the USA Patriot Act by the American Civil Liberties Union shows the following:

• Minimizes judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet surveillance by law enforcement authorities.

• Expands the ability of the government to conduct secret searches.

• Grants the FBI broad access to sensitive business records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime.

• Leads to large-scale investigations of American citizens for "Intelligence" purposes.
The war on terrorism

When President Bush declared war on terrorism he also indirectly declared war on every Mafia around the world, including the Italian Mafia, the Chinese Mafia, the Russian Mafia, the Colombian Mafia, the Japanese Mafia and so on.

There are 23 pages in this new act dealing with the subject of money-laundering. This extensive section of the USA Patriot Act also gives the government new powers and makes it easy for the government to freeze and confiscate assets of anyone. I believe that the USA Patriot Act will have a major future impact on the USA economy.

…Unfortunately, terrorists may not feel much pain. The goal of terrorism is to generate chaos—not cash—so terrorists are far less likely to leave a conventional money trail. Terrorists make use of the hawala system, an ancient network for moving money around the globe without using wire transfers, banks, or any other part of the conventional financial structure. Hawala traders don't keep records".

The Inquisition

I would like to suggest that people read a book by Edward Burman called The Inquisition to learn about the economic and cultural effects that the Inquisition had in Europe. Quoting from this book: "...Mariano da Alatri has argued that among all the punishments used by the Inquisition, that of confiscation had the greatest social repercussion, and we shall see how the obviously attractive elements of such a policy were soon to be perverted for political motives. One of the most disastrous aspects, especially for wealthy suspects, was the widespread practice of confiscating property even before a trial had taken place….inquisitors held the important privileges of being able to sell goods confiscated from heretics...the possibilities for corruption are evident". Many wealthy people became a target of the Inquisition, and the goal was to confiscate their assets and property. Don't we ever learn any lessons from past history? I guess not!


…The other problem is: who can define what war on terrorism really means? Who decides which group is a terrorist group? There are hundreds of groups fighting different governments for different reasons. The problem is that to wage a war on terrorism is an absurd idea.

I wonder what the long term full impact of the USA Patriot Act will be on the U.S. culture and economy—the capital flight from the U.S. economy, the impact on immigrants and their families who are living in the U.S. today, the impact on new immigration to the U.S., and the impact on civil liberties of the American people.

The USA Patriot Act represents the victory of the “Terrorists” over our free society.”

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More - You do have lots of Balls
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
In November 2002, before the US attacked Iraq Brazzil magazine published one of my articles - “The Big American Lie”

Is the US in the process of becoming a fascist nation with the blessings of the American people? The Brazilian government should learn with the US how to paint a rosy picture when the economy is falling apart, how to live in a world of illusion.

I was stunned and very surprised to find out of how little it took for the terrorists to put the United States on its knees. Today I have realized how fragile the entire American system is.

I live in New Jersey, but only twenty miles from the World Trade Center site in New York City. About four miles from my house I have a beautiful view of the New York skyline and I could see the two gigantic twin towers of the World Trade Center. Now, when I look in the direction where the twin towers used to stand I feel a strange feeling.

The terrorists destroyed a few buildings and they killed about three thousand people. The attack will have a profound impact on the lives of the people who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. It also had a negative psychological effect on the US population, when we realized how vulnerable we all are to any kind of terrorist attacks.

We can consider the 3,000 people who died in the attack to be a very small loss in terms of people when we compare that number with the total size of the US population of 270 million people. The monetary loss of an estimated $100 billion dollars also can be considered a small loss when compared to the size of the US economy of $9 trillion dollars.

The damage to the US seems small when put in perspective to the damage done to other countries in the last 20 years. For example, most Americans don't even know where Sudan is located in our globe, and they don't know that they have had a devastating civil war going on since 1983, where more than 2 million have been killed.

In the last 25 years we had a war in Angola that killed over 600 thousand people. In Rwanda over 500 thousand people were killed in that civil war in the 1990's. There are too many countries around the world that have been completely destroyed by civil wars such as Congo, Ivory Coast, Colombia, Somalia, Liberia, Afghanistan, Serbia, and Bosnia, just to mention a few.

If one watches American television here in the New York area on a regular basis, it would seem that there is only one problem around the world—between Israel and the Palestinians. Israel has the latest in war technology, including tanks, F-16 jets, helicopters, atomic bomb, etc. The Palestinians have stones, sling shots, small firearms, and as a last resort they blow themselves up as suicide bombers.

US on its knees?

The terrorists did not only destroy a few buildings and kill over 3,000 people in the US. They continued to score victory after victory over the United States in the last year. They also destroyed the American way of life. Let me explain what I mean.

In my opinion the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights is one of the greatest documents ever written. These documents are a masterpiece. These documents embodied the soul of the American nation. It is what sets the United States apart from the other nations. I wish every American would send a copy of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights to all the politicians in Washington D.C. to remind them of what this country is all about.
After President Bush declared war on terrorism, the US government took some drastic measures to wage such a war. On October 26, 2001 President Bush signed into law the USA Patriot Act of 2001. This law is based on the assumption that Americans are willing to give up their civil liberties in exchange for safety. A legislative analysis of the USA Patriot Act by the American Civil Liberties Union shows the following:


You can read the entire article at:

“The Big American Lie”
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6211/38/


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More - You do have lots of Balls
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
You also will enjoy reading my article that Brazzil magazine published in December of 2002 - “Our Future Is Now” – Quoting from that article:

…Let me give you a current example of what I mean.

On September 11, 2001, there was a terrorist attack on the United States. Out of nineteen people involved in that attack, fifteen of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. If a rational person wants to identify a country behind that terrorist attack, there is no question about it—that country should have been Saudi Arabia. Besides that fact, the leader of the terrorist group, a Saudi Arabian named Osama bin Laden told his followers, "the call to wage war against America was a direct result of the US meddling in the affairs and politics of Saudi Arabia, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that controls that country." He also found offensive to the Islamic religion that the US had tens of thousands of its troops in the land of their two most holy mosques.

…Even though the US was attacked by Saudi Arabians, it was not convenient for the US to retaliate against them. The US had to find a scapegoat, a country that no one cares about, to give the impression that they were retaliating for the terrorist attack on the US.

If the US retaliated against Saudi Arabia, that action would have caused too much trouble to the US such as—1) the world economy could not afford a major disruption in the flow of oil from Saudi Arabia. 2) Saudi Arabia has too many investments in the US, and if they got rid of their investments, it would cause a negative impact on the equities and real estate markets in the US. 3) The other major problem for the US is that: if they attacked Saudi Arabia, the Arab world would see that attack as an attack on the two most holy mosques of the Islamic religion—in Mecca and Medina. Attacking Saudi Arabia could have the potential to become a holy war against the Islamic world.

Before September 11, 2001, I had never heard of Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. The impression that I have is that since the US did not want to retaliate against Saudi Arabia, they had to come up with a very good story instead. Somebody must enjoy literature and the story of "Ali Baba and the 40 thieves." That story probably gave them the idea of creating: "Osama bin Laden and the 40 terrorists." (19 terrorists died in airplane crashes, one of them missed his plane and ended up in jail, and the other 20 terrorists are still around somewhere.)

Soon after the attack on the US, they started dropping bombs in Afghanistan. For all I know they could have used the same news footage shown on American television from the Iraq "Gulf war" in 1990. Most people would not know the difference even if they used images from the movie "Lawrence of Arabia" as being part of the current war.

In the age of immediate television news, the US had to show some results from this attack on Afghanistan. As The New York Times reported on October 29, 2002, on the front page, the US government decided to free some very dangerous Afghan men that they brought to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. "One of them, Faiz Muhammad, said he was 105 years old. Babbling at times like a child, the partially deaf, shriveled old man was unable to answer simple questions. He struggled to complete sentences and strained to hear words that were shouted at him. His faded mind kept failing him. He was asked if he was angry at the American soldiers who arrested him. "I don't mind," he said, his face brightening. "They took my old clothes and gave me new clothes." The second Afghan man released yesterday said he was 90 years old and gave his name as Muhammad Siddiq."

Hail, Brave USA

The war on terrorism has been a great success according to the US government. The world is a safer place today. We should all enjoy this new sense of security despite the fact that Osama bin Laden and the other 20 terrorists are still on the loose after a year. It is interesting that the only people they managed to catch, turned out to be "the over the hill gang," including a 90-year-old man, and a very dangerous 105-year-old man, who on a good day was lucky to remember his name.

You can read the entire article at:

“Our Future Is Now”
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6226/38/

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
You said: “I never said that China is not growing economically, but as they do, they are destroying the environment. There is a strong correlation between economic prosperity( solid foundations for the future) and the environment. The future of China on these terms, is unclear. The future of Brazil on these terms, is also unclear. China NOW is growing at an incredible rate, but one of two things: one, they are building an empire on sand or two they will exploit Brazil so much that in the end, Brazil will look like Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa.”

My question is what do you suggest that China should do instead. What are the alternatives?

China is in the middle of an economic revolution as never seen before in world history.
How do you transform a country such as China from their communist roots of only few years ago and transform it into a superpower of the future without going through a lot of growing pains, and massive market dislocations, I hate to think about of all the problems that the Chinese government has to solve all the time – and there is almost no room for mistakes because of the size of their population.

In December of 2006 I read a very interesting book “Revolutionary Wealth” by Alvin Toffler. He said a lot of insightful things on his book and on chapter 3 The Clash of Speeds – he said the following: The countries with the key economies in today’s world – the United States, Japan, China, and the European Union – are all heading for a crisis that none wants, that few political leaders are ready for and that will set limits on future economic advance. This looming crisis is a direct result of the “de-synchronization effect,” an example of how we mindlessly deal with one of the deepest of all the deep fundamentals: Time.

Nations all over the world today are struggling at different rates of speed to build advanced economies. What most business, political and civil leaders have not yet clearly understood is a simple fact: An advanced economy needs an advanced society, for every economy is a product of the society in which it is embedded and is dependent on its key institutions.

If a country manages to speed up its economic advance but leaves its key institutions behind, it will eventually limit its potential to create wealth. Call it the Law of Congruence. Feudal institutions everywhere obstructed industrial advance. In the same way, today’s industrial age bureaucracies are slowing the move toward a more advanced, knowledge-based system for creating wealth.

…In all these countries, key public institutions are out of step with the whirlwind of change that surrounds them.

Anyway the book has 500 pages and one of the things that he mentioned on his book and I did not forget is that the most extraordinary thing today is that we still can function at all here in the United States – he shows with many examples how everything is getting out of sync.

Not only here inside the US economy – but it is amazing that the US still is able to business with countries from around the world when everybody is moving at different speeds.


Regarding the US infrastructure I have been writing on that subject for many years.
When I first posted information on Elite Trader and we had an immediate furious discussion going on – someone said something to Elite Trader because they erased my thread from their forum after a few hours and a big discussion.

I have been against the Iraq war since they first started talking about that subject and I wrote many articles about it.

On my posting I mentioned the costs related to the Iraq war and I also mentioned where they should use the money instead.

You can read some of the info at this location:

Why "Paradigm Shift" thread has been removed from this board?

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=1


Then I started another thread and I reposted most of the information and much more.
You can read about it on this location:


What is a better US Gov investment for Future - Military Spending or Infrastructure

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=5


ASCE – 2005 Report Card for America’s Infrastructure
American Society for Civil Engineers – March 9, 2005

The ASCE's concerns go well beyond roads and bridges to include school buildings, drinking water and waste treatment, dams, navigable waterways, aviation facilities and so on. As a whole, the association estimates that, somehow, we have to come up with $1.6 trillion over the next five years in order to bring the infrastructure to an "acceptable" level.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 13, 2007
My comment had nothing to do with U.S. and Sep 11. It was one on your proposal to invite the Generals back to bring law and order in Brasil!
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 13, 2007
When you said that I had balls to mention my proposal to invite the Generals back to bring law and order in Brazil – I just gave you a few more examples about having balls.

I live here in the United States and not far from where 9/11 happened. The days after 9/11, I could smell the terrible smell that was coming from the World Trade Center. The smell was all over the air in our area, and my eyes were burning because of that smoke.

I did go a number of times to a place about two miles from my house in New Jersey and I could see in the horizon the smoke coming out from the ruins of the World Trade Center – from that point I used to be able to see the twin towers of the World Trade Center. It is hard to believe that these massive buildings were not longer there.

I know various families that lost love ones in the world trade center terrorist attack. The Catholic Church in Franklin Lakes, NJ where my mother goes to attend mass every week lost 26 members of that church on 9/11.

In our area 9/11 is not about flag waving and patriotism – 9/11 represents the loss of loved ones – loss of jobs and disruption of lives and communities – we took a direct hit from the terrorists – we were their direct target.

On 9/11 and the days that followed 9/11 our area of the country changed overnight – as you must know Americans have the habit to overreact to everything – and 9/11 is a major example of that habit.

When I was writing many of the anti-war articles that I wrote and among others Brazzil magazine published at that time – basically one had to have balls to publish such a material since the American mainstream media was nothing more than a cheerleader for everything that the US government wanted to do at that time. And that cheerleading crowd included the members of Congress of the United States with few exceptions and most of the American public.

In the first year following 9/11 George W. Bush’s rating was very high in the high 70’s
And in the 2 years following 9/11 the public reacted with the biggest flag waving that I ever saw to show their patriotism and support to the US government.

Most Americans stopped thinking including the American mainstream media and at that time there were very few people that had the guts to say a lot of the things that I said on my articles that turned out to be right.

Today the United States it is just a shadow of the country that I lived in only a few years ago. And we have the worst president the United States had since 1776.

Today the United States is a country where the government listens to American’s private telephone conversations, have surveillance of their email accounts, investigate anyone for just about any reason – In a nutshell the United States defeated the Soviet Union because of their ways of doing many things - and later the United States in a very ironic twist of history adopted many of the Soviet Union’s systems.

You can bet that some monitoring area of the US government is watching all the articles and the following comments that are being posted on these articles on Brazzil magazine.

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RA & Shelly
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
first of all there is 450.000.000 cubic metric miles of salt water on this planet of whitch all can be made into frash water . look at the saudi araib ,dubi.
97% of all water is from salt water . we all should look into saving eny and all water we can , and stop dumping sewer water into the ocean like so many countries do .

Shelly , when if ever you get to the bahamas look to the new hotels made by gringoes , then look at the ones built by the locals you will find a grate deal of difference in the way sewer is delt with . stop by stanel cay the owner of the yatch club makes owns water maker inc .

in the DR the should have built the sewer plant for the cruze ships by now as they are now required to pump all untreated waste water into a plant not into the ocean like before . but the hotels and the cityies still dump into the ocean , and until there is some numbers of deaths pointed to the parts per million ficial clorform in the water nothing will be done but close the beach .

now PR well good luck with thoes cry babies , ever major hotel along the coast dumps its sewer into the coean just get up on a calm day and smell or just take a sample and send it to the lab be like RIO in summer .

if you want to do a study on water quality go to Haiti , port of cortez houduras , the river in surnam that is where i found the worst water .out side of PR

and AR when it come to the US what is not righ is the bottom line
congress does not spend money on something that is not popular .
so our troops set with piss poor equipment while they build bridges to no where .
where illeagles can protest the law that we as citisen have to fallow and get away with it .
just because the partys want the vote later on when they grant citisenship to most of them .

BEST GOVERMENT MONEY CAN BUY

shelly look to your citys in brasil
recife is a stink hole fro bad water
more than rio i bet
and any large bay

so dont buy into a land where you set below the centerof the road
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written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
When you said that I had balls to mention my proposal to invite the Generals back to bring law and order in Brazil – I just gave you a few more examples about having balls.


Ricardo thanks for the explanation about Sept 11th and the reference to your article regarding 911. I did read the article you mentioned; though Saddam did not do anything you predicted and ended up in the gallows, though I still wonder if he deserved that fate.

But, the Americans have an election coming up next year and probably they will decide to elect someone not associated with Bush. I am not concerned about their democracy, but OURS.I became more interested when you talked about calling our Generals back, in reply to our friend Pinga´s comment.

What I want to know is a) If you are reading the Brazilian newspapers and keeping track of the political news b) What you think of the way the country is being run by PT & PMDB c) If you are aware that the Senate did not approve of the MP (Presidential Decree-for our non Portuguese speaking friends) that nominated Unger as the Minister for Long Range Planning along with 633 cargos da confiança.

If you are keeping track of all the news, I would love to hear your opinion on OUR current leadership. Lets forget about Bush or U.S., remembering that your article deals with the Chinese investment in Brazil? In your opinion, do we we have good leaders ?
Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
first of all there is 450.000.000 cubic metric miles of salt water on this planet of whitch all can be made into frash water . look at the saudi araib ,dubi.
97% of all water is from salt water . we all should look into saving eny and all water we can , and stop dumping sewer water into the ocean like so many countries do .


Think of the devil and there it appears. Thanks bud for your subsidy. A few days weeks ago, a friend of ours who has a doctoral degree in Chemistry requested me to translate an article into English about the issue of sewage being dumped into the ocean in Brazil. I got interested and did translate it and slightly modified it based on the info you have been posting it.I got fascinated with the article and the enormous coincidence between the line of thoughts of both of you.
Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
Please dont mind the mistakes in my earlier post. After all it is a Saturday night and I am having a few cold ones smilies/angry.gif
water try to live without it
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
things to think about

even if the ice caps melted it would never cover all the lands of the earth
only raise about 2.800 ft

all the water in the world at one time or another has passed through the ass of some person or anminal

water try to live without it
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
things to think about

even if the ice caps melted it would never cover all the lands of the earth
only raise about 2.800 ft

all the water in the world at one time or another has passed through the ass of some person or anminal

Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
water try to live without it


Excuse me, Admiral. You having cold ones too? You posted your comments twice about water.This leads me to believe that you are having too many cold ones smilies/angry.gif
Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
I bet you have heard this expression: "Water,water,everywhere,but not a drop to drink" smilies/angry.gif
key stuck
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
need to invest in new laptop
i guess
yes buy if you have a water maker you can drink it all.

or if your car or boat ran on h2 the bi product would be water
Forrest
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
or if your car or boat ran on h2 the bi product would be water


I think it is H2o. You dont have to invest in a new lap top and spend your hard earned money.The key board is not stuck either. You have been using a hammer,instead of your fingers. Tell Fatima to clean the key board with diluted "Veja". The Brazilian Ladies know how to keep the Hi-tech products clean, shining and functioning. While Fatima is taking care of the computer, you just close your eyes and meditate smilies/grin.gif
Meditate?
written by Simpleton, October 14, 2007
Good suggestion Joao! With those hammer fingers he had better keep to himself while she's leaning over to do the job! The Brazilian Ladies don't take kindly to those interfering with them while they are doing their thing.
ice cap
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
Ocean level rise has more to do with thermal expansion. Forrest, I will take a look at the hotels, do you know anyone there? I will also do a blog from there with photos from the trip and to show everyone what we are doing...DR is developing a lot of conservation programs.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
The Inquisition

You should read some of my posts on the issue.
Reply to Joao da Silva.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
The information about the United States is relevant to the content of my article since the Chinese have been putting almost all their eggs into one basket – the US basket.

Anyway, about 2 weeks ago when they had that meeting of world leaders at the United Nations – one night Lula was interviewed on the Charlie Rose Show for an entire hour.

All I can say is that Lula answered all the questions very well and did not say anything foolish – he was very impressive on that interview.

I am interested more on economic matters than anything else, and since Lula became president of Brazil he had a very good economic team.

Minister of Finance Antonio Palocci was very good until he was forced to resign. He did a very good job as finance minister.

Minister of Finance Guido Mantega is new to the job and he does not have a track record as yet for people to have a opinion about his performance. Let’s give him some time to see how he will turn out.

President of the Central Bank Henrique Meirelles is an excellent central banker even though I think that he has been keeping interest rate too high in Brazil when you take in consideration the level of inflation rate.

Minister of Planning, Budget and Management Paulo Bernardo Silva I don’t know enough about him to give you an honest opinion.

Minister of Foreign Affairs Celso Amorim is an excellent Secretary of State, and he has been doing a very good job.

Minister of Communications Helio Costa – I worked with him for a few years when he was New York Bureau Chief of Globo TV Network. When I worked at Globo, Lucas Mendes, Paulo Francis, and Lucia Guimaraes were also working at Globo TV Network.

I still see Lucas Mendes in New York once in a while. Now he has a show called Manhattan Connection with Caio Blider, and Lucia Guimaraes. I met Caio Blinder a few times when I went to parties at some friends’ house here in NJ.

When I worked at Globo in New York City I had the opportunity to meet Roberto Marinho and when he died I wrote the following article:


August 2003 – “Roberto Marinho – The Most Powerful Man in Brazil”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/883/27/


Minister of Defense Nelson Jobim – he just became Minister of Defense and I hope he will be able to fix very quickly the problems that Brazil is having with the air traffic controllers. Brazil looks very bad right now to the rest of the world in that area.

In the next posting I will say something further about Minister of Defense Nelson Jobim.

I understand that my friend former President Jose Sarney is one of Lula’s top advisors.

Regarding the rest of the political machine in Brazil I prefer to keep my opinion to myself.

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China and environment issues
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
They could at least treat the sewage, adopt measures to conserve water. I suggest anyone wanting to find out how to conserve, to check scientific journals first, Science and Nature is a good starting point. Introduce filters in coal fired power plants, would be a start. Did you read the article on the NYTimes? Did you read the answer that the environmental scientist in China gave to the reporter?

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/where_we_work/asia_pacific/where/china/index.cfm?uNewsID=114481
http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/world/asia/26china.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

"Greenpeace believes China can make better use of renewable energy sources such as small hydroelectric plants; methods that use agricultural waste to generate energy and wind power.But instead of moving towards those energy sources, China is building hundreds more polluting coal-fired power plants and has plans to build nuclear power plants."Many people want to invest in wind farms, but they can't get loans," Lo said, blaming the problem on "bureaucratic inertia.""Government officials are not confident in new technology, unwilling to change policies."To reduce greenhouse gas emissions, China must also increase energy efficiency, said Dan Millison, an environment and energy specialist at the Asian Development Bank's Manila office."China uses at least three times as much energy per unit of GDP than OECD (the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development) countries," Millison said."As of 2000-2001, China's economy was eight times more energy intensive than Japan and three times more energy intensive than the US; also three to four times more than Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and South Korea."China is also aggressively expanding the automobile market, mimicking the United States."This will account for substantial growth in emissions, unless there is some radical shift to hybrids or other energy efficient transport system," Millison said.


Ricardo, there is always a way to cut waste, there is always a way to be more energy efficient. Recycling is not cheap by any means, however the consequences are far greater and the benefits speak for themselves.
ooops!
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
I never saw your postings about the inquisition.

As I mentioned before in one of my postings: “I would like to suggest that people read a book by Edward Burman called The Inquisition to learn about the economic and cultural effects that the Inquisition had in Europe.”

This book by Edward Burman is excellent, and I recommend that you read it if you have the chance.

About a year and half ago I received an email from Edward Burman thanking me for having mentioned his book on my article. I was very surprised when I received his email.

He has many published books, and I also read another one of his books “The Templars: Knights of God.” This book also is very good.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
Have you seen Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth”?

The movie is very well done and I have seen it more than 4 times - when showing the movie to other people.

More than a year ago I started writing that Al Gore will be the next president of the United States. I am glad that he received the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts regarding Global Warming.

You said on your posting: “China's economy was eight times more energy intensive than Japan and three times more energy intensive than the US”

That’s not hard to figure out why there’s such a difference between these countries. In China they actually make things – that’s where a large number of factories are located compared with the other major economies of the world. In the US people work in the service industry – at Wall-Mart, in housing construction, in nursing homes, in making Hollywood pictures, in Burger King, in MacDonald’s, and so on…

In June 2007 I saw a very interesting documentary on television – Who killed the electric car? (2006) – Produced by filmmaker Chris Paine.

This documentary is about the development of an electrical car by General Motors EV-1
An automobile that required no gas or oil….

The filmmaker also documented how GM and the major oil companies sabotaged the electric car project right from the beginning.

GM senior management still sabotaging the electric car today for example: I saw a program on CNN “Out of Oil” which was broadcasted this past weekend and I believe that I had seen that program a few months ago.

On this program a CNN reporter interviews Bob Lutz – GM’s vice chairman for product development – and Mr. Lutz try to give the impression to the viewer that GM still having problems with its batteries for the electric cars and he even mention that GM likes to call when batteries catch on fire – he said GM refers to it as thermal events.

GM still wants to give the impression to the public that it is very dangerous to drive these cars because their batteries can have thermal events.

The documentary who killed the electric car? Show to the public how hard GM fought to destroy the electric car – and they even interview the owner of ovonic battery – a company that had developed a battery that increased the range of the EV-1 from 60 to 100 miles between charges and a much safer battery.

GM sold its 60 percent ownership in Ovonic Battery to Chevron Texaco for them to kill that improved battery project.

The car dealers also started giving GM a hard time about the electric car because that car needed very little maintenance when compared with a car that runs on a combustion engine. The dealers brought to the attention of GM that the regular car maintenance of regular combustion engine cars was a big chunk of their regular business.

It was very interesting the interview that they had with Mr. Stan Oshinsky and his wife, Dr. Iris Oshinsky, of Energy Conversion. Technologies – and how GM and the major oil companies buried all his discoveries regarding innovations on batteries for the electric car.

GM Ovonic was formed in 1994 between GM and Ovonic Battery to manufacture a new type of battery for the EV-1

When the day comes – the US government should allow GM to go bankrupt and go out of business – that is a corporation that is not worth of being saved.



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TEXACO TO ACQUIRE GENERAL MOTORS' SHARE OF GM OVONIC BATTERY JOINT VENTURE
Deal Reflects Technology's Potential for Broad Energy Applications
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2000.

DETROIT, Mich., October 10 – Texaco (NYSE: TX) and General Motors (NYSE: GM) today announced Texaco's intent to acquire GM's share of a joint venture that has developed an advanced battery technology for the automotive market….


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Note: A few weeks ago I saw an article on The Record (One of the major newspapers in New Jersey) – the article was about a new type of battery that can be used on electric cars and with this new technology an ultracapacitor that o motorist could plug in for five minutes and drive the vehicle about 500 miles before he needs a new ultracapacitor charge.

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Al Gore - An Inconvenient Truth
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
Have you seen Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth”?

That’s the Al Gore movie about Global Warming.

The movie is very well done and I have seen it more than 4 times - when showing the movie to other people.

More than a year ago I started writing that Al Gore will be the next president of the United States. I am glad that he received the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts regarding Global Warming.

You said on your posting: “China's economy was eight times more energy intensive than Japan and three times more energy intensive than the US”

That’s not hard to figure out why there’s such a difference between these countries. In China they actually make things – that’s where a large number of factories are located compared with the other major economies of the world. In the US people work in the service industry – at Wall-Mart, in housing construction, in nursing homes, in making Hollywood pictures, in Burger King, in MacDonald’s, and so on…

In June 2007 I saw a very interesting documentary on television –
Who killed the electric car? (2006) – Produced by filmmaker Chris Paine.

This documentary is about the development of an electrical car by General Motors EV-1
An automobile that required no gas or oil….

The filmmaker also documented how GM and the major oil companies sabotaged the electric car project right from the beginning.

GM senior management still sabotaging the electric car today for example: I saw a program on CNN “Out of Oil” which was broadcasted this past weekend and I believe that I had seen that program a few months ago.

On this program a CNN reporter interviews Bob Lutz – GM’s vice chairman for product development – and Mr. Lutz try to give the impression to the viewer that GM still having problems with its batteries for the electric cars and he even mention that GM likes to call when batteries catch on fire – he said GM refers to it as thermal events.

GM still wants to give the impression to the public that it is very dangerous to drive these cars because their batteries can have thermal events.

The documentary who killed the electric car? Show to the public how hard GM fought to destroy the electric car – and they even interview the owner of ovonic battery – a company that had developed a battery that increased the range of the EV-1 from 60 to 100 miles between charges and a much safer battery.

GM sold its 60 percent ownership in Ovonic Battery to Chevron Texaco for them to kill that improved battery project.

The car dealers also started giving GM a hard time about the electric car because that car needed very little maintenance when compared with a car that runs on a combustion engine. The dealers brought to the attention of GM that the regular car maintenance of regular combustion engine cars was a big chunk of their regular business.

It was very interesting the interview that they had with Mr. Stan Oshinsky and his wife, Dr. Iris Oshinsky, of Energy Conversion. Technologies – and how GM and the major oil companies buried all his discoveries regarding innovations on batteries for the electric car.

GM Ovonic was formed in 1994 between GM and Ovonic Battery to manufacture a new type of battery for the EV-1

When the day comes – the US government should allow GM to go bankrupt and go out of business – that is a corporation that is not worth saving.


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Note: A few weeks ago I saw an article on The Record (One of the major newspapers in New Jersey) – the article was about a new type of battery that can be used on electric cars and with this new technology an ultracapacitor that o motorist could plug in for five minutes and drive the vehicle about 500 miles before he needs a new ultracapacitor charge.

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Brazil under Martial Law.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
You seem to be a well-informed person. Maybe you know the answer to the following.

I know that the Brazilian legal system is based on Roman Law, and the Napoleonic Code.

The economic team that Lula have had around him since 2003 - they have been doing a decent job when we take in consideration the revolutionary economic transformation that is going on around the world today.

The country is doing very well economically.

But Brazil is not doing well in another important area – in national security.

Brazil is in the middle of a major crisis since the citizens of the major cities are having a terrible time with crime – and the gang problem is getting completely out of control.

This gang problem is getting to the point where something drastic has to be done.

Who could institute Martial Law in Brazil to deal with the crime crisis?

President Lula or Nelson Jobim the new Minister of Defense?

I am not suggesting that President Lula should be overthrown as president of Brazil, I just want to know who has the authority to institute Martial Law in Brazil to deal with the crime problem that has reached a point of being completely out of control.

Maybe president Lula can request his Minister of Defense to institute immediately martial law in Brazil to get the crime crisis under control. And let the armed forces take care of business.


Here is some information in that area.

Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect when the military takes control of the normal administration of justice.
Usually martial law reduces some of the personal rights ordinarily granted to the citizen, limits the length of the trial processes, and prescribes more severe penalties than ordinary law. In many states martial law prescribes the death penalty for certain crimes, even if ordinary law does not contain that crime or punishment in its system.
Martial law is sometimes imposed during wars or occupations in the absence of any other civil government.

In many countries martial law imposes particular rules, one of which is curfew. Often, under this system, the administration of justice is left to a military tribunal, called a cout-martial. The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus is likely to occur.

Martial law can also be declared in cases of major natural disasters, however most countries use a different legal construct like “state of emergency.”


State of Emergency

A state of emergency is a governmental declaration that may suspend certain normal functions of government, may work to alert citizens to alter their normal behaviors, or may order government agencies to implement emergency preparedness plans. It can also be used as a rationale for suspending civil liberties. Such declarations usually come during a time of natural disaster, during periods of civil unrest, or following a declaration of war. Justitium is its equivalent in Roman law.

Justitium

Justitium is a concept of Roman law, equivalent to the declaration of the state of emergency.

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The conflict of Idealism vs. Reality.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
I just saw this article published by Folha de Sao Paulo.

I agree with president Sarney and I am glad that today we have in Brazil a democratic system that can serve as a model for other countries to copy it.

On the other hand, I can’t see any other way to bring the crime problem in Brazil under control other than using the powers of martial law.

Martial Law is a terrible choice, but what is the alternative?

Let the criminals and the gangs rule the country?


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Sarney ataca Chávez num seminário na Argentina
Senador criticou autoritarismo e militarismo venezuelano
Folha de Sao Paulo – 14 de Outubro de 2007

José Sarney (PMDB-AP) é a grande estrela de um seminário empresarial aberto na manha deste sábado (13) na cidade de Mendoza, na Argentina. Discursou sobre o descompasso entre o desenvolvimento da América Latina e o de outros países do mundo. A certa altura, deteve-se na atual conjuntura latino-americana. Foi neste ponto que cutucou Hugo Chávez, presidente da Venezuela, além do boliviano Evo Morales e do equatoriano Rafael Correa.

O senador disse que, hoje, a América Latina está dividida em dois blocos. O primeiro, segundo ele, é integrado por países como Argentina, Brasil e Colômbia, que fortalecem suas democracias e estimulam a economia de mercado. O outro bloco, no qual acomodou Venezuela, Bolívia e Equador, vem deixando de lado os valores democráticos.

“Sem alternância no poder não há democracia”, disse Sarney. “E alguns países estão caminhando de maneira perigosa para o autoritarismo e o militarismo.” O senador classificou de temerária a forma como Hugo Chávez cultiva uma política armamentista jamais vista na região. “O Chávez investiu US$ 4 bilhões em armamentos em seu governo”, disse.

Chama-se “Desenvolvimento econômico e posicionamento político do Brasil na América Latina” o seminário que atraiu Sarney a Mendoza. Foi organizado pelo Grupo de Líderes Empresariais, uma entidade comandada pelo “cansado” João Dória Júnior (na foto, ao lado de Sarney). Participam do encontro presidentes de 150 grandes logotipos instalados no Brasil. Entre eles Nokia, HSBC, Nextel, Nestlé, Telefônica, Intel, Pepsico, Kia Motors, Telecom Itália, Portugal Telecom, Amil e Claro.

Durante o discurso de Sarney, encorpavam a platéia personalidades como Laura Monteiro, ministra da Economia da Argentina, e Julio Cobos, governador da Província de Mendoza e candidato a vice-presidente da República na chapa de Cristina Kirchner, cujo marido, o presidente Nestor Kirchner, mantém estreitíssimas relações com o colega venezuelano. Antes de chegar a Chávez, Morales e Correa, Sarney passeou pela história.

De acordo com mensagem eletrônica enviada ao blog pelos organizadores do seminário, Sarney abriu a exposição lembrando que, nos anos 20 e 30, Argentina e Brasil ostentavam uma renda per capita maior do que a da Itália e do Japão, respectivamente. A coisa se inverteu, na opinião dele, porque, depois da Segunda Guerra Mundial, os EUA e seus aliados concentram esforços na reconstrução dos países afetados pelos combates.

Depois, com a Guerra Fria que marcou a contenda ideológica entre EUA e União Soviética, os governos norte-americanos voltaram seus olhares para a América Latina. Mas, receosos de que as nações do Continente fossem contagiadas pelo comunismo, optaram por marcar a presença na região por meio do apoio aos governos militares.

“Findas as ditaduras, todos desejavam mudanças imediatas, e os governantes ficaram emparedados entre as condições vigentes após anos de ditadura e as aspirações e expectativas da população”, disse Sarney, ele próprio beneficiário político da ditadura brasileira. A despeito das dificuldades, Sarney acha que a transição democrática na América Latina foi mais bem sucedida do que nos países do Leste Europeu. De resto, enxerga um futuro promissor para a região. Acha que Europa, EUA e Ásia já viveram os seus anos dourados. Teria chegado a vez da América Latina: “Este continente é o próximo passo da humanidade. Nós vamos chegar lá”.

No Brasil, Sarney é adepto fervoroso do mutismo. Amigo e defensor de Renan Calheiros, o senador não tem encontrado na conjuntura muito estímulo para falar. Em Mendoza, tratando de questões desconectadas da rotina envenenada do Senado, soltou a língua. Sabe-se que o companheiro Hugo Chávez não é de ouvir desaforos calado. Logo, logo Sarney vai receber o troco.

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Crime is out of control.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 14, 2007
Here is a current example of what I am talking about - from today’s newspaper.


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Quadrilha faz arrastão em prédio de luxo na zona sul de São Paulo
LIVANY SALLES - Colaboração para a Folha Online
Folha de Sao Paulo – 14 de Outubro de 2007

Uma quadrilha formada por ao menos 20 pessoas realizou um arrastão em um prédio de luxo no bairro de Campo Belo, na zona sul de São Paulo, na manhã deste sábado. Ninguém foi preso.

Segundo a Polícia Militar, os ladrões invadiram o edifício Campobello Sunshine por volta das 7h. Eles tiveram acesso ao prédio após pularem o muro de uma casa vizinha. Eles renderam o porteiro e tiveram acesso ao prédio. Ao menos seis apartamentos foram invadidos.

O edifício fica na esquina das ruas Pascal e Cleide. Os assaltantes foram audaciosos, uma vez que o edifício Campobello Sunshine está localizado a cerca de cinco quadras da delegacia.

Os moradores e funcionários eram rendidos assim que chegavam ao prédio. Ao menos dez pessoas foram levadas ao quarto do zelador enquanto ocorria ação.

Os criminosos levaram jóias, dinheiro e aparelhos eletrônicos e fugiram em pelo menos quatro carros.
Uma das vítimas teve cerca de US$ 20 mil levados. Os moradores evitaram falar com a imprensa. O caso foi registrado no 27º DP (Campo Belo).

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written by bo, October 14, 2007
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-11 21:59:56

You also said: “When all is said and done, people and/or gov'ts. just aren't going to feel comfortable investing large percentages of their investment capital in any country where the rule of law isn't adhered to nor enforced.”

That’s the reason why China is not investing a dime in the African Continent.


Well what about Brazil Ricardo? Do you think one can depend upon the LAW in Brazil?

Anyone that knows anything knows very well that one cannot.
One last thing Ricardo...
written by bo, October 14, 2007
For someone that appears to put so much energy into attempting to get others to invest in brazil it must be truly frustrating that many of your suggestions include the need for the cooperation, action, accountability, and good sense of the brazilian gov't.


There goes the neighborhood.
the eleticed gangs or the others
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
for marshal law to work one needs to have control of its military from the gennerals on down
would you not think

most of the service men and women are not happy with the goverment eather

along with the PM if you try marshal law most would have to go to jail

brasil needs to have a all out civil up rising and put the goverment out and then work its
way down to every judge , cop , mayor ,

look to coulmbia and see what a real president can do
and look at GNP now
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written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
Who could institute Martial Law in Brazil to deal with the crime crisis?

President Lula or Nelson Jobim the new Minister of Defense?


From what I read, the present constitution states that the Armed Forces are only to defend the country from external threats. In order to use them for taking care of internal security, the consitution should be amended. It seems Nelson Jobim is working on this issue. After all Jobim was a minister of Justice and should know how to alter the consitution and get it passed through bothe the houses.

I also read, this move is to fight the crime in Rio and am unaware of their plans for other cities and rural areas.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
Not only did I see the movie, but I am also trained by the Al Gore camp. I am the only member of the group, so far here in D.C. that has any knowledge of global warming-it really should be climate change as it gives false impressions, that has the knowledge of climate change and its effects on the oceans. So whatever the content on the movie, I can look and criticize for what it is. It does have some scientific flaws, but the message has resonated loud and clear around the world. I wish they would have shown both sides of the issue to be fair and square with the scientific community.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
I became involved with the Gore camp, after trying to find someone to go to a local school that had knowledge of oceanography. I had no reply from them, therefore I decided to get involved. Once I have a speech scheduled, I am more than happy to send you an invitation. Then you will see what sewage does to the marine life.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 14, 2007
If you REALLY want to see what the Big Oil does to the environment, get a copy of Waterkeeper magazine, it will make you feel sick! Did you know that if you dig around the Prince William Sound beaches, you will still find oil? I have the summer edition of the magazine mentioned above, it is ridiculous how to see that a whole community lost its mode of subsistence, disrupted lives and some people committed suicided because of ONE company. Exxon Mobil still refuses to admit that they should do more to clean up.

Anyway, the Bush administration has castrated the EPA.
sewage makes the shrimp sweeter shelly
written by forrest allen brown, October 14, 2007
and in most cases water levels are rising due to subsidence

also the mangroves do more to hurt clean water than the exon did in alaska
any time you use high presure water to mwash off oil you force it under ground
crude oil is natural and does not destory the enviroment as much as you think in small amounts

you bacis trash dump does more damage to the water table than oil and its drilling .
but on the same level the salt water used by oil compaines does do a lot of damage to the water table and seteling ponds

more people killed themselves over enron than exon !!!!

shelly go to JP in PB go down the river and test it the stuff you will find as i did
oil , mecury , carbon tetra clorid, fecial clorform , tanic acid , hydgren sulfide , zink .lead. poly budine just to name a few not in small amounts

and found thies in all the rivers along the coast of brasil .
and the amazon around belem is a night mare of nastys

medical waste is of more danger than sewage right now along the uper east coast of the US .

most the people i know in PR moved out due to the anti amercian movement there .
you can try the san juan bay marina then take a trip along the cruse ship docks drop a sample pice to the bottom get some mud bad stuff around the old concret dock .

then go too the old ship repair dock do the same also at the scrap metal yard lovley stuff
also the walk way by the park

if you dont have a good boat dont try to do the mona unless it is calm
the south side of PR is some what clean until you get to the marinas along the west coast

but any where you go the mangrove swamps hold all the polution due to lack of tides and the speed of the rivers they stop from running as they should

and if you need another person that knows the places you are going let me know
Ricardo: Would not martial law lead to a defacto coup d'etat?
written by aes, October 14, 2007

On the other hand, I can’t see any other way to bring the crime problem in Brazil under control other than using the powers of martial law.

Martial Law is a terrible choice, but what is the alternative?

Let the criminals and the gangs rule the country?

And do they not? Is that not the problem? And when under martial law the military sweeps through the government , arresting and indicting, how is this not a de facto coup d'etat?
AES
written by João da Silva, October 14, 2007
And do they not? Is that not the problem?


Good question. A pity, the Brazilian Dude is not here to cotribute with his view point. Must be in some remote place trying to maintain law and order and with no access to the Internet smilies/angry.gif
forrest
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
Thanks a lot for the information. I will keep you in mind, when I get there. Mangroves are important fish nurseries, it is also important for flood protection. I am the type of person that believes that everything is in place on this planet for a reason, and when we mess with it, we usually end up doing more harm them good. As you said, oil is natural and it is harmful in large quantities, some species have not recovered from the oil spill. Below is the summer edition of the magazine that I mentioned to Ricardo. I was able to find it on the internet.

http://switchstudio.com/waterkeeper/issues/

http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/fieldcourses06/OutlinemarineecologyArticles/Outline1-MangrovesoftheBa.html
From the magazine
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
Remains
Almost 20 years after the ultimate manmade disaster, oil lingers on the beaches of
Prince William Sound. On low tide you can scoop oil up with your fingers. Native
communities can no longer practice their traditional subsistence culture and our
communities float precariously. Exxon will tell you that Prince William Sound has
recovered and that people here have been fully compensated for their losses. Look
any fisherman or Native in the eye long enough to earn his or her trust and you
will find otherwise. Families have been ripped apart, divorces, suicides, unpaid
bills — this is heavy stuff. Our herring fishery, the cultural and economic
underpinning of our community, is simply gone. Fishing boats sit
abandoned and rotting. Folks have left, people have died. Don’t
get me wrong — this is a rich vibrant life that I would not
trade for anything, but behind wonderfully stiff upper lips
are raw hearts.
Jennifer Gibbins, Prince William Soundkeeper
forrest
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
here is my email: brasillatina@yahoo.com. If you want, we can keep in touch via e-mail or phone, I am sure you'll be very useful-since you have done some of the research, I would be interested in any literature that you may have.
darfu
written by forrest allen brown, October 15, 2007
one thing to think all the wells dug by the US and other countries
to get water to the poor as soon as we or they leave
the drug or war lords come in and claim it for there own .

in 2006 the UN peace keepers fired on them and the press
went off on them as the dealers of death killing poor
people for water ,
not keeping the gun mobs from selling the water to peoples of there sect
and not giving a bit of concern for the rest of the people .

in brundi the tribs war they killed people and dumped them in the wells or rivers
after gutting them like fish .to keep the people from coming back .

another thing mangroves are not indignous to the americas
they came from the inda , and the pacfic rim countries .
just hitched rides on ships like so many other man made killings off of nature and peoples

will see if i can come up with a person in PR for you to talk to

dont sugar coat your info and if published wrong make them correct it
allen.roamdeep@gmail.com

will look through what info i may still have as the mass of info i had
was on the roamdeep mwhen the brasilian navy took the boat

and they just more than likley tossed it out as trash
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
I understand that my friend former President Jose Sarney is one of Lula’s top advisors.


I am surprised and pleased that our former President Dr.José Sarney is a good friend of yours.Yes, indeed, he is one of Lula´s top advisors. Another advisor is Delfim Neto.No wonder with such people, the Brasilian economy is going full steam ahead. One thing I admire about our Prez is that,even though he fought relentlessly against the military government, he made peace with the Meritocrats like Sarney,Delfim,Collor, etc; and is governing the country with his utmost ability. He is going to Africa this week to in search of business opportunities for Brasil. Another good point.

When I worked at Globo in New York City I had the opportunity to meet Roberto Marinho and when he died I wrote the following article:

August 2003 – “Roberto Marinho – The Most Powerful Man in Brazil”


I did know that you worked for Globo, Mesbla,etc; but not about the article about Dr. Roberto Marinho nor your association with Hélio Costa. However, the most powerful man in Brasil in the TV industry right now seems to be Bispo Macedo. His TV network seems to be treating Intelligent people with a litlle more respect.

btw, did you get to know Zelia Cardoso also, when she was living in NYC?
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
Then you will see what sewage does to the marine life.


I know dear. I think that you are living in the wrong country. Should come back to Brasil and become the Head Person of IBAMA. What is the point in telling the Americans as what to do about the sewage? They can dump right on top of Manhatten, for all I care. With your brilliant mind, you could do a lot to clean up the "Bahia de Guanabara" to start with and then come down south.I must confess that I have not visited Rio for years and cant say if they are still dumping sewage in the ocean.
hay joao
written by forrest allen brown, October 15, 2007
have you thought that only the US would give her a grant too study s**t

hope she takes what she learns and gets lula and his ibama people to get that 200 billion from china
to build sewer plants from north to south east to west

haha we will never see that happen
Joao
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
My parents live in Barra da Tijuca. You can see the beach from their balcony...(lucky them smilies/cry.gif ) Some days, the beach-at hight tide during the winter, gets a lot of swash into the shore. I think I have a photo where it looks as if it is a pier, but it is a sewage pipe. They have the Lagoa do Marapendi, and it is so polluted that in the summer it stinks of poop. I would love to be able to eventually tell the city of Rio to start cleaning up, but with the favelas dumping their waste right in the middle of the streets, you know that in the end the water gets contaminated. The favela that my dad does his charity work, has vala negra that runs in the middle, open air with little children walking by with no shoes. It is heartbreaking to see that. I feel bad for the kids, when I was a teenager I used to go to the same place and nothing has changed. As we have said, it doesn't matter how much you invest, in the end the money never gets to the people in need. I have seen this time and time again. I went to Rio last year, Favela do Anil has not changed.
Forrest
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
have you thought that only the US would give her a grant too study s**t

hope she takes what she learns and gets lula and his ibama people to get that 200 billion from china
to build sewer plants from north to south east to west

haha we will never see that happen

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I agree Forrest, this country has been giving so much to me. I have amazing opportunities ahead. All the jobs I have checked need someone with the science field languages. The worse thing is, if I go to Brazil and try to get a grant, it won't cover for my general expenses. I am going as I said with 3 meals paid for, accommodation and airline tickets. I cannot complain. If if all goes well, I have Belize to look into the future. We have 3 scientists living there, and so far they are getting some good results.
Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
Ricardo: That’s the reason why China is not investing a dime in the African Continent.
Bo: Well what about Brazil Ricardo? Do you think one can depend upon the LAW in Brazil? Anyone that knows anything knows very well that one cannot.


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Ricardo: When I wrote the above quote I was being sarcastic to the person who implied that China does not invest in places where the law system is away behind the times.

Let me clarify to you one thing: China has been investing a lot of money around the African countries.

Maybe in your mind you consider the law system of places such as Sudan, Angola, and many other countries around Africa to be superior to the legal system in Brazil.

In my opinion I don’t agree with your perception.

By the way, one of the points that Alvin Toffler makes on his book is that the American legal system is completely out of sync with the reality of what is happening inside the United States and around the world.

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Reply to Bo.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “For someone that appears to put so much energy into attempting to get others to invest in brazil it must be truly frustrating that many of your suggestions include the need for the cooperation, action, accountability, and good sense of the Brazilian gov't.”

I mentioned one major thing that the Brazilian government did right in the last 30 years which was the ethanol program – and because of that today Brazil is energy independent.

Compare that with the United States a country that has to attack another country – in this case Iraq – to secure a source of energy.

Just imagine what would be happening in Brazil today if the Brazilian economy still heavily dependent on foreign oil to be able to operate – today a barrel of oil is trading around $ 82 per barrel but very soon the market price in US dollars will reach the $ 100 dollar level.

If the generals had not changed the Brazilian economy can you imagine how much damage the price of oil would be doing today to the entire Brazilian economy?

As I mentioned before the Lula administration is doing a decent job regarding its economic plan when you consider the economic revolution that is happening around the world.

Lula’s administration is doing even a better job than most people realized when you consider what was happening in South America mainly in Argentina, Uruguay and so on – about the time when Lula became president of Brazil in January of 2003.

For all practical purposes Argentina went bankrupt as a country at that time and had a big negative impact in the economies of Brazil and Uruguay.

If the Brazilian government was able to have such an outstanding performance in the last 5 years when you take in consideration all these other factors. Can you imagine the potential for the Brazilian economy when many things are favorable and improving and the prospect for the future looks great?

If the Chinese government has any vision of the future meaning the coming decades then there is no better place in the world for them to invest their had earned money.

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Reply to Forrest Allen Brown
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
I used the term martial law – possible state of emergency – or something like that because of my personal ignorance of Brazilian law. I know that Brazilian law is based on Roman Law and the Napoleonic Code, but in the case of Brazil I don’t know what kind of emergency powers a president democratically elected such as Lula can use to put a complete stop to these criminals in Brazil. The criminals and the gangs are completely out of control and I hear all kinds of horror stories from friends and relatives and also from all the Brazilians that we know who live in our area and they also are in constant contact with their relatives and friends in Brazil.

I know that martial law implies that some general or military junta takes over the country in a coup d’etat. That’s not what I am suggesting that should happen in Brazil – I am not suggesting in any form that Lula should be deposed from his position as the Brazilian president - basically it is not Lula’s fault that all this crime is getting out of control in Brazil since when he became president that problem already had been there for a long time.

What I am trying to figure out is what options Lula has available to him as a democratically elected president of Brazil for him to resolve the crime problem.

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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “And do they not? Is that not the problem? And when under martial law the military sweeps through the government, arresting and indicting, how is this not a de facto coup d'etat?”

I am not talking about the politicians. Politicians are crooks all over the world and that is not something new anyway since the politicians are always doing something for them to profit personally from some kind of skim.

I am talking about urban safety in most cities in Brazil.

Runaway social violence seems to be a distinctively American phenomenon. The problem with America’s culture of violence is that it has spread like a virus to all parts of the world through “cultural” products, such as American films filled with gratuitous violence, where we find American movie heroes killing dozens of people and committing crimes that stir the admiration and imagination of adolescents. The imitation of these spectacles in real life is only a matter of time, especially when violent heroes become politicians that govern people, such as Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I remember over ten years ago when some scientists where studying the movie viewing habits of the people who lived in the favelas around Rio de Janeiro and for know one’s surprise 90 percent of their video rentals were very violent movies the type of a typical Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

No wonder the violence started increasing in Rio de Janeiro year after year as all these people got desensitized to violence.

But the situation with the criminal gangs is getting to a critical point for example last year organized crime gangs in Brazil launched a wave of attacks on police stations and prisons over a period of few days. Almost 80 people were killed in the violence. There were riots in dozens of prisons across the country and hundreds of people were taken hostage. The attacks were ordered by criminal gang bosses, in retaliation for the transfer of more than 700 convicted gang members to higher-security prisons.

A bunch of petty criminal gangs successfully declared war on an entire modern nation such as Brazil - and decisively won the battle. Do not underestimate the empowerment and respect this has given the gang leaders in Brazil.

The First Command or the Red Command, are the two largest organized criminal gangs in Brazil and both have become major drugs cartels, using small armies to control slum districts of Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

They are specialized in property crime, in gang rape, in drug dealing, in hijacking trucks and criminal gangs in Brazil also spend hours every day calling people at home trying to prey on widespread fears of real kidnappings.

In many cases the police is no help to the average citizen because of very low police pay, combined with an old culture of corruption, very often the serious crime problems were also those in which law enforcement officers were known to work hand-in-hand with criminal gangs to be able to make some extra income.

There is far more coverage in the Brazilian and world mainstream media about the brutal drug gangs in Brazil's big cities than about many other important social issues. And it is not unusual for the world mainstream media to portray their plight in terms of oppression and poverty.

Today these gangs reached a critical point in which their actions are affecting the Brazilian economy in a big way since a lot of people are afraid of going anywhere in the evening because they are afraid of being robed or kidnapped. It is affecting everything including the restaurant business, the movie business, and so on…

I could go on and on, on this subject but there is no point.

It is incredible to me that this criminal gang situation in Brazil it looks more like we are living in the Middle Ages than in the 21st Century.

Maybe the average Brazilian is happy with this crazy situation, otherwise we would have major demonstrations all over the country with the people demanding that the Brazilian government take some drastic measures to resolve the crime problem in Brazil.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “From what I read, the present constitution states that the Armed Forces are only to defend the country from external threats. In order to use them for taking care of internal security, the constitution should be amended. It seems Nelson Jobim is working on this issue. After all Jobim was a minister of Justice and should know how to alter the constitution and get it passed through both the houses.”

In the United States we have similar laws and the armed forces are only to be used to defend the country from external threats.

I am aware that in Brazil we were able to use the armed forces for a period of time because we had a military dictatorship.

You said: “I am surprised and pleased that our former President Dr.José Sarney is a good friend of yours.”


If you had read my article published on Brazzil magazine in September 2001 – “The B-Files” then you would not be surprised. You still can read it at:

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6752/39/


This is an article about an organization that I did try to take off the ground and I worked on that project for the entire year of 2001 – “The Brazilian Cultural Society”

After 9/11 became impossible to find any source of funding for the project at that time, even though I had been able to organize an outstanding group of people who had accepted to be members of the board of trustees of that non-profit organization including former Brazilian president Jose Sarney.

By the way, I have met former president Sarney a number of times since 1986 when he was president of Brazil and lately I had the chance to meet twice here in New York City – once in March when he came to the Brazilian library in New York to be honored with the Machado de Assis medal for his literary achievements – at that occasion president Sarney gave a speech of about 25 minutes without any notes and his speech was very impressive - and in the first week of May of 2007 I met him once again at the 2007 Sustainable Development Forum in New York City. At that event I was seating on the table of my Arab friends and President Sarney was seating right behind me and if I turned around I would be on his side. I had the chance to chat with him for a while but had to be a brief conversation because there were too many people from the mainstream media waiting to talk to him.You can read what I wrote about that forum at:

The Sustainable Development Forum 2007 - Ethanol and Biofuels.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...adid=93388


You asked me: “btw, did you get to know Zelia Cardoso also, when she was living in NYC?”

Yes I met her about 2 or 3 years ago when she came to the Brazilian consulate to give a speech about the years when she was part of the Collor administration. And a lot people who attended that conference still pissed at her because she froze their bank accounts at that time.

I thought it was funny how people were so angry at her after all these years and some of the people would love to stone her if they had the chance to get even.

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written by e harmony, October 15, 2007
written by Shelly, 2007-10-11 20:47:52

... if the Brazilian government continues to turn the face the other way to the environmental degradation of its rivers, ocean, deforestation, exploration of soil, Brazil will be the new Haiti.
I think I have said this before, but I would propose Ricardo Amaral to start addressing the issues of conservation first. We are sending a mixed message to investors. First of all, a country that doesn't seek the well being of its citizens is hardly a country to be trusted. Secondly, a country that allows environmental devastation, is hardly a country to be taken seriously. Trust and transparency are two key elements lacking (or completely oblivious) in the minds of Brazil's politician.


I'm currently taking an environmental science course this semester in college (USA).

The United States I believe has harmed more of it's biomes than Brazil, this is largely due to the fact that much of Brazil went unindustrialized for so long compared to the U.S. and Western Europe. Contrary to what most people think, the Amazon (which Brazil holds the most territorial amount of compared to other L.A. countries) is not the most endangered biome in Brazil, it is probably Brazil's Atlantic rainforest.

Brazil has actually taken far better care of her biomes and biological communities than many other nations of comparable biomass productive landscapes. As far as India and China they both have placed a far larger toll on their natural environments than Brazil has on hers.

From my book, "Environmental Science" ninth edition, copyright 2007, chapter 9 page 183:

"Agricultural economists predict that, by 2020, global soy production will double from current 160 million metric tons per year, and that Brazil could be responsible for most of that growth. American farmer, meanwhile, will probably be priced out of the soy market except for specialty crops for human consumption. Many young American farmers, unable to afford land in Iowa or Illinois, are moving to Brazil to start careers there." it continues on to say, "A major factor in Brazil's rapid growth in soy production is rising income in China."

Ultimately, while environmental concerns is something everyone around the global needs to be concerned about, and while Brazil is not immune from environmental destruction, Brazil still holds far more forest landscape than many nations around the world including the United States. In fact, I'm looking at a map in my book right now that color defines all the biomes and shows areas of domesticated land. The USA has about a pinky's worth of forest landscape left compared to that of Brazil. The United States cleared most of it's forests long ago - keep in mind both the USA and Brazil were and are some the most biodiverse nations on earth.
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
Regarding what you said about the favelas in Rio - It seems to me that you don’t have any hope that things will be different and it will improve in the future for most of these people in Brazil.

I am not as pessimistic about the future as you and many of the people who have been posting their comments after my article are – mainly the future in relation to Brazil.

Most people have not grasped as yet that we are living today in the most exciting period in world history since the invention of the printed press. The world is going through an economic revolution as never seen before.

If you read the enclosed article you will understand the foundations of the new economic revolution that is under way. - Brazzil Magazine - Wednesday, September 06, 2006
“While the American Dream Is Outsourced Brazil Drives the World into the Future”
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9684/78/


You will understand even further what is going on if you read what I posted on this web site: "Wiki technology" changes everything in the economy.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...adid=91498



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I understand that many of the comments that people posted here are based on their prior experiences and their perception on how the world works.

I have news for you there is a big disconnect between what people think is happening today and what is really going on. The new world is full of possibilities as never before and technology is changing everything at the speed of light. And this change is happening all around us on a daily basis.

In India the some high tech companies are wiring small villages far from the big India cities with the internet and they started bringing the jobs to the villages instead of these people having to go to the big cities to be able to find a job. That means that they will not have to create some new major cities to absorb many of these people in the future – the people can stay were they have been living and that save the government all the problems related to creating a new major city.

I saw an interesting program I believe it was on the BBC about 1 year ago. One of these high tech multimillionaires from India decided to make an experiment.

He went to a very poor area of town – in one of the major cities in India – and installed on this dilapidated building where the poor kids used to play a very modern computer system connected to the internet. He expected that the computer system would be stolen in no time as these kids did with everything else that they could get their hands on to get some cash. And he had hidden cameras to document what would happen with that computer system.

Most of these kids were uneducated and many probably were homeless kids trying to survive the best way they could on the streets.

To make the story short – the kids did not steal the computer system. First they turned the machine on and started trying to figure out how the machine worked. Then they figure out how to go into the internet, and the kids started teaching each other the things that they were learning by trial and error and before long these kids were playing video games in the internet. And all the kids started protecting this machine from anyone who wanted to take it away – a machine that they had no idea how this machine had ended up on their playground.

Turned out these poor illiterate kids were a lot smarter than people gave them credit in no time they had grasped by themselves a ton of information.

When I saw that program I realized how quickly things can be turned around when people are given a chance. And in today’s world the possibilities are infinite the sky is the limit.

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written by bo, October 15, 2007
I mentioned one major thing that the Brazilian government did right in the last 30 years which was the ethanol program – and because of that today Brazil is energy independent.



Who cares about being "self sufficient" in energy when at the gas pumps your paying 5 dollars per gallon! Doesn't make much sense to me.

If the Brazilian government was able to have such an outstanding performance in the last 5 years when you take in consideration all these other factors. Can you imagine the potential for the Brazilian economy when many things are favorable and improving and the prospect for the future looks great?


I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion....truly baffles me. Every single economic statistic that I have read over the last several years has shown that the brazilian economy grew at a slower rate than ALL latin american countries with the exception of Haiti! And, this was during a time period when the average rate of growth was more than 4 percent, yet brazil didn't even make par. So, in direct contradiction to what you have stated, the world economy over the last several years has done very well, and brazil missed out. Wonder what will happen when the world's economy isn't doing well?
Ricardo:
written by aes, October 15, 2007
The use of Federal troops for the Pan Am Games had a demonstrable effect on the environment of Rio. You could walk the beaches of Ipanema and Copacabana at night. It was obvious that the use of Federal troops had and do have a significant positive effect on the quality of life here. It is obvious that without law there is a state of anarchy. That by definition the massive criminal threat posed by the 'gangs' of Brazil warrent a military solution. The cancer has matasticised and must be excised before it kills us all. As to using the military to clear the Congress of those that are criminal, it was irony. And since it would involve so many it would in fact be a coup d'etat.
Environmental concern in Brazil
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
"Agricultural economists predict that, by 2020, global soy production will double from current 160 million metric tons per year, and that Brazil could be responsible for most of that growth. American farmer, meanwhile, will probably be priced out of the soy market except for specialty crops for human consumption. Many young American farmers, unable to afford land in Iowa or Illinois, are moving to Brazil to start careers there." it continues on to say, "A major factor in Brazil's rapid growth in soy production is rising income in China."
Ultimately, while environmental concerns is something everyone around the global needs to be concerned about, and while Brazil is not immune from environmental destruction, Brazil still holds far more forest landscape than many nations around the world including the United States. In fact, I'm looking at a map in my book right now that color defines all the biomes and shows areas of domesticated land. The USA has about a pinky's worth of forest landscape left compared to that of Brazil. The United States cleared most of it's forests long ago - keep in mind both the USA and Brazil were and are some the most biodiverse nations on earth.


Best way to destroy the environment, you need to learn this quick, is to become a monoculture. Soy in not indigenous and are you from Brazil? If you are, then you should know how badly the Amazon situation is, if you are not, then you need to gather some information. Also, check the previous post and see the lovely story of my aunt and uncle, both are employed by IBAMA and my aunt was kidnapped in Brazil by the natives while trying to enforce some of the current laws .I don't know if it is the same one that I have Environmental Science, behind the stories by Scott Brennan & Jay Withgott. Chapter 8 Agriculture and soil formation, degradation and conservation. The opening chapter it says" The nation that destroys its soil destroys itself", U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Brazil needs to see what went wrong with the US and other countries and not mimic the actions. Then there is a story about a farmers in the South who lost productivity by more than half, because he used machines and fertilizers, which in turn were polluting the rivers. By 1990, the farmers were looking for help and then used a no-till farming technique. You should know that the O horizon is the most important layer of soil for farmers. Monoculture does nothing to help, degrades the soil very rapidly.

No one is denying that the US has problems and needs to do more to conserve and preserve. However, if you know anything about Brazil, your book should have an estimate regarding the Amazon's "life expectancy". 2050 most of the forest will be gone. If you have the same book, then you can look at page 229 and see the chart "world soil conditions", white meaning "non-vegetated land, green stable soil, orange areas of some concern, red areas of concern. Brasil has mostly orange, red and a few green areas of stable soil near Mato Grosso, Amazon, RS. The US has green on the east coast and Florida.
Brazil with its current conservation laws will loose its biomes faster than you can blink.






Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
Regarding what you said about the favelas in Rio - It seems to me that you don’t have any hope that things will be different and it will improve in the future for most of these people in Brazil.

I will be honest with you. No, I don't have hope. Do you know why? How much is our national budget for education? Literacy in Brazil? So far I haven't seen you mention about education. You are trying to convince the Chinese to invest in Brazil, so far the ideas that you have will only benefit the rich or middle class. Did you forget the millions of illiterate in Brazil, are they going to be left out of the band wagon once again? Martial law may only work temporary and should be used in extreme cases, what are your long term project in terms of education? Crime is high, why? Until people get a grip that you cannot have economic advancenment until you get the population educated, then Brazil will change, then I will have hope.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
I thought it was funny how people were so angry at her after all these years and some of the people would love to stone her if they had the chance to get even.


Sorry Ricardo, you would not have found it funny, if you were living in Brazil at that time,retired, old and put all your savings (including FGTS) in Caderneta de Poupança (Savings account) and found out one fine morning that your noneey was frozen for a year and would be returned in 18 equal installments! However, what I found FUNNY was that the Brazilians present at the meeting at the consulate could afford to be in NYC and had singled out Zelia as SOLELY responsible for the "Plano Collor". I find it even funnier that all the people involved in that plan including her ex-boss are back in power in one position or other.

btw, Zelia is a good economist,but naive politically. The last I heard about her was that she was working for a foreign Investment Bank in NYC.

AES
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
As to using the military to clear the Congress of those that are criminal, it was irony.


You gave a valid suggestion and why take it back? smilies/angry.gif
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
How much is our national budget for education? Literacy in Brazil? So far I haven't seen you mention about education.


Now, you sound like our beloved Senator Chris Buarque and I love it.

In all fairness to Ricardo Amaral, both in his article and posts, indirectly gave a suggestion as how to educate people.Hope CB is reading all our comments and take some of our suggestions through the Congress.
Reply to Bo
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “Who cares about being "self sufficient" in energy when at the gas pumps your paying 5 dollars per gallon! Doesn't make much sense to me.”

But if Brazil were not self-sufficient the economic situation would be a lot worse in Brazil today for most of the population with the barrel of oil at $ 82 and going higher.

You said: “Every single economic statistic that I have read over the last several years has shown that the Brazilian economy grew at a slower rate than ALL Latin American countries with the exception of Haiti!”

The key word on your sentence is “grew”.

The Brazilian economy managed to grow at least a minimum amount even when affected by the spill over of all the economic consequences of an Argentinean economy going bankrupt right next door and having a very negative economic impact in the economy of its neighbors including Brazil and Uruguay. It did not affect only commerce but also affected the tourism industry when all these Argentineans could not afford to come for vacation in Brazil and many of the tourist areas in the South of Brazil were affected very badly during that time. And when the tourists don’t come and there is no money to go around the reduced cash flow starts spilling over to all kinds of local businesses in these resort areas.

If anything the Brazilian economy was supposed to shrink as a result of all the negative economic impact related from the collapse of the Argentinean economy.

When you take in consideration all these economic conditions that were affecting the economies of many of these South American countries then you have to come to the conclusion that despite all this economic disasters around Brazil – the Brazilian economy still managed to grow even if just a little instead of contracting.

Statistics only does not tell the entire story you need to take in consideration all these other factors that affected South America during the period that we are talking about.

The Brazilian economy managed to not contract in the years following the Argentinean collapse and we can tell that the Brazilian economy is gaining momentum and is increasing its rate of growth.

Please don’t let people bulls**t you with this garbage about comparing the Brazilian economy with the economy of Haiti.

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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “That by definition the massive criminal threat posed by the 'gangs' of Brazil warrent a military solution. The cancer has matasticised and must be excised before it kills us all. As to using the military to clear the Congress of those that are criminal, it was irony. And since it would involve so many it would in fact be a coup d'etat.”

That is what I am talking about using the military to bring safety in the Brazilian cities because the gangs have taken over.

The criminal gangs are not operating only in the big cities they are destroying also many small communities for example a friend of mine has been living in one of the resort cities in the South of Brazil for the last 30 years and his city has grown a lot during that period. He has two restaurants and some other businesses in that city and in the last few years the situation deteriorate to the point that it can’t continue much longer like this.

Since the city is in a resort area during the summer months and holidays the city was like a big party with people having a good time in all the restaurants of the main avenue where you could see the ocean. People stayed out having a good time until 3 or 4 in the morning and the place looked like a big party all the time. The place was relatively safe on these days that I am talking about.

In the last few years the gangs moved in and they are destroying the entire town – people are afraid to go out after dark and there is no life left on that town in the evening the restaurants are empty after 7 in the evening and everybody just stays home because they are afraid of the criminal gangs. By the way, to make things even worse for my friend the gangs reduced the hours that the restaurant can stay open and is operating but the hours that the restaurant is open he had to add one more person to his payroll on each restaurant – he had to add a security person to stay in the door of the restaurant to keep the gangs away.

Basically his businesses are dying a slow death because of this crazy criminal gang crisis in Brazil. And once in a while the gangs tell the people in town for them to keep their businesses closed that day otherwise they would burn them down and everybody stay home that day because they are afraid of the gangs.

It is a major crisis and the Brazilian government has to do something about it.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
The criminal gangs are not operating only in the big cities they are destroying also many small communities for example a friend of mine has been living in one of the resort cities in the South of Brazil for the last 30 years and his city has grown a lot during that period.


What is the name of the resort City in South of Brazil, Ricardo?
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
I remember when they froze all the accounts in Brazil during the Collor administration, I am always in touch with the members of my family and friends, and I know what is happening to them.

I said it was funny because of the reaction of many people who were present at that palestra at the Brazilian consulate in New York. If you saw their reaction you would think that was happening to them today and not a long time ago.

I guess the scars left from that experience are more profound than I had realized.

Yes, she still around New York City. I forgot the name of the company that she works for.

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 15, 2007
You said: “What is the name of the resort City in South of Brazil, Ricardo?”

Sorry, but I can’t tell you the name of that particular city since the gangs can destroy it in no time. I could create a major problem to them in that town even more than they already have with the criminal gangs.

If they are operating like that in that particular city the criminal gangs also must be doing the same thing to other cities in the coast of Brazil from Vitoria to Florianopolis.

People are afraid and they keep their mouth shut because they are afraid of the criminal gangs’ retaliation – these gangs are ruthless and they are getting so bold that they don’t retaliate only against you they also would not think twice about killing your entire family.

And most people feel intimidated by these gangs and they are afraid of them.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
Sorry, but I can’t tell you the name of that particular city since the gangs can destroy it in no time. I could create a major problem to them in that town even more than they already have with the criminal gangs.


No need to apologise. I have a strong feeling that I know the name of the city. I feel sorry for your friend too.

As for the tourists from Argentina to Southern Brazil, during this summer, we can kiss them good bye also.Too bad about the Commerce losing money.
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written by hegemon, October 15, 2007
Why not suggest 200 billion in foreign investment from the US? Oh, I forgot - American companies are imperialists, not like the nice Chinese goverment.
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written by hegemon, October 15, 2007
And by the way, Central Brazil is going through a huge drought right now. The brilliant strategy of diverting the São Francisco to the northeast and putting in high-fertilizer crops througout the cerrado (Tocantins, MT) will no doubt do great things for the ecology of water in Brazil.
Hegemon
written by João da Silva, October 15, 2007
And by the way, Central Brazil is going through a huge drought right now. The brilliant strategy of diverting the São Francisco to the northeast and putting in high-fertilizer crops througout the cerrado (Tocantins, MT) will no doubt do great things for the ecology of water in Brazil.


Whom would you credit for coming out with this brilliant stragey ? Would you mind explaining to the readers?
Joao
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
In all fairness to Ricardo Amaral, both in his article and posts, indirectly gave a suggestion as how to educate people.

To me, that is not good enough. He asked me a question and I answered him with what I think it is a good point. Let's not forget, I have many family members that are educators in Brazil and "indirectly" suggesting people how to get educated will not solve the problem. We'll continue to be the land of servers and masters, "indirectly".
Joao:
written by aes, October 15, 2007
'You gave a valid suggestion and why take it back?'

The world of business would not be comfortable with a Brazilian congress usurped by martial law. The possibility of a democracy is prefered to the uncertainty of a Brazilian state of martial law that rises to the institutions of Congress. A beneficent military has proven to be more of an ideal then an historical reality. The trouble with martial law is that there is often no end to it.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 15, 2007
I remember over ten years ago when some scientists where studying the movie viewing habits of the people who lived in the favelas around Rio de Janeiro and for know one’s surprise 90 percent of their video rentals were very violent movies the type of a typical Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

No wonder the violence started increasing in Rio de Janeiro year after year as all these people got desensitized to violence.

You have to be careful, I don't like to see this sort of generalization. The violence in Rio-I am a Carioca and can speak on the subject, has roots on poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, lack of caring by the Brazilian government, poor wages, poor health, and the list goes on. "Let's blame on the American gun-ho society" for all our misfortunes! I agree somewhat that violent movies can increase violence, but this is by no means the sole reason for it. When you have a government as corrupt as ours, we should look within ourselves first and point the finger last.
Shelly/AES
written by João da Silva, October 16, 2007
Have you read the ENTIRE article of Ricardo and the Comments he is posting?

Shelly, let me give you a clue (though Ricardo and I have not been in touch). Why do you think that he is proposing fast Internet connection in Brazil? Ricardo has a habit of ducking out when I ask him a question, but that doesnt mean he has no merits.

AES, the world business would be extremely comfortable, when they know that Brazil is under the command of serious people. Think about it and you will agree with me.
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
Environmental concern in Brazil
written by Shelly, 2007-10-15 12:08:47
Best way to destroy the environment, you need to learn this quick, is to become a monoculture. Soy in not indigenous and are you from Brazil? If you are, then you should know how badly the Amazon situation is, if you are not, then you need to gather some information.


No, I'm from the United States Midwest, an area I might add that was once covered in forest when the indigenous Amerindians ruled, but has since for a very long time been predominately farming land.
I'm aware of what monoculture is, and I'm also aware Brazilians are beginning to plant a very wide variety of vegetation (instead of sticking with monoculture) behind their use of a variation of slash & burn (less destructive variation). Perhaps the soy industry produces mainly a monoculture system of farming, within the lanscapes farmed for soy, this is not 100% good of course, yet in light of the need to feed human around the world I'm not prepared to say it is 100% wrong either.

The Amazon is mostly undisturbed, what is being heavily exploited is the cerrado region of Brazil which is a tropical grassland and the most biodiverse grassland on earth. You people in Brazil still have Amerindians running around half naked in the Amazon in ancient primitive fashion. Exactly how many Amerindians do you think you'll find running around, living in primitive fashion, in the temperate rainforest of the Pacific Northwest in the United States?



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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
Continuing from my previous post above...



The United States obliterated it's forests a long time ago and polluted not just its rivers and soil with the heavy urban industrial cities of the 1800's and early 1900's but it along with the former Soviet Union greatly harmed the ozone layer that the entire world depends on.

I'm pro-environment but environmentalist have been proven wrong numerous times. Many once claimed the world was suppose to have run out of food per global "carrying capacity" and the J curve humanity swung into a long time ago (it began around the 1600's or so when capitalism was beginning to emerge). But because of agricultural science we have more than kept up with the world's ability to feed people. Protien consumption - through meat consumption - is up and only marked to steadily rise. We have finally reached a point were more overweight people are on earth than skinny people. Soy may not be native to Brazil but neither was wheat to Mexico when a black soldier with Spanish planted the first major crops on his farm.

Your earlier attempt to claim Brazil would become the next Haiti was so far fetched that to be honest you hurt your credibility. Brazil is a massive country who has numerous biomes (large ones at that) unlike Haiti. Haiti is a small country that has little undisturbed or destroyed forest. Haiti has no cerrado savana by which it feeds most the world through meat. And China has horrendously harmed it's environment a long time ago causing massive desterfication - if memory serves me correct (and perhaps I remember wrong) Beijing has some of the worst air quality on earth.

Anyways, Siberia I think produces most the worlds wood, it not just Brazil cutting down trees (as though Europe and the United States never did). The problem with many environmentalist is they are too ideologically clouded, lack historical perspective and greater economic appreciation as to how economies impacts societies, and in the process often fail to hold to clear systematic thought. For example, I like how environmentalist bemoan "poverty" yet in the same breath glamorize the primitive lifestyle of Amazonian Amerindians and also then boast of how much *materially* the United States affords people. Understand, the European colonial merchants that came to the United States hundreds of years ago, had a higher material consumption than your half naked Amerindians living in the Brazilian Amazon today. Material consumption requires exploiting natural resources. So, who was right and who was wrong? The Amerindians in the Amazon who are half naked, don't care for university education and degree titles, who don't worry themselves with work place "sexual harrasment," and who still mainly live by superstition over medical science... or the immigrants to the United States who ravaged their landscapes, rivers, and lakes to make a large profit so you and other people can come over and talk about all the good sh*t the U.S. gives you the chance to buy?

The US has green on the east coast and Florida.
Brazil with its current conservation laws will loose its biomes faster than you can blink.


Another huge exaggeration. I live in a Midwestern post-industrial city were "brown fields" are the common bond. The farmland in the state that was once originally covered in forest, still provides decent material living standards for people.Rest assured I'm not in a hurry to go live in the Everglades of Florida.

Brazil is not going to become a desert anytime soon - nor a Haiti. (to many variables why it will not be a Haiti)
Not indeed
written by Ric, October 16, 2007
Whereas some well known observers are saying that China is a bubble.
e harmony...
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, with four out of five of its people living in abject poverty. One reason is that its forests have been cut down, and not replanted, and so its soil has eroded away. Forests used to cover over nine tenths of Haiti: now only 1-2 per cent remains densely forested.

Hate to rain on your parade, but Haiti is having SERIOUS problems.

Anyway, you said:Exactly how many Amerindians do you think you'll find running around, living in primitive fashion, in the temperate rainforest of the Pacific Northwest in the United States?

Well, considering the almost ethnic cleansing that went on here in the States, plus smallpox it is hardly news that you don't see "naked Indians" running around. Have you forgotten about The Removal act of 1830?

You said: Your earlier attempt to claim Brazil would become the next Haiti was so far fetched that to be honest you hurt your credibility. Brazil is a massive country who has numerous biomes (large ones at that) unlike Haiti. Haiti is a small country that has little undisturbed or destroyed forest. Haiti has no cerrado savana by which it feeds most the world through meat. And China has horrendously harmed it's environment a long time ago causing massive desterfication - if memory serves me correct (and perhaps I remember wrong) Beijing has some of the worst air quality on earth.

You are once again wrong.Duh, Haiti is smaller than Brazil, no kidding?! And I have said that the air quality in China is horrendous. I have put a link on my post, did you read the whole thing?
http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/haitidef.htm

Haiti has serious problems with deforastation. "Nothing better symbolized the vicious cycle of poverty in Haiti than the process of deforestation. Haiti was once a lush tropical island, replete with pines and broad leaf trees; however, by 1988 only about 2 percent of the country had tree cover."http://countrystudies.us/haiti/53.htm

I would suggest that you find out about the Nordeste of Brazil and what it used to look like. Then you will see that is not impossible to become Haiti in the future. Alarmist? Dam sure, I don't want the Amazon to become the new Nordeste. Also, if you know well, the soil in the Midwest and the Amazon are different-I am not talking about Mato Grosso area, is thin, meaning that the top layer is not suitable for long term farming. Why do you think that in Africa, some villages have to move every 5/8 years? Even with good farming technique, I don't see the region being able to sustain a long period of agriculture. One thing for sure is happening. Farmers are dumping so much fertilizer that they are destroying aquatic life. I respect the indigenous people and who said that we should impose our way of life on them? I never said that, and to say, not once.

You said: Material consumption requires exploiting natural resources. So, who was right and who was wrong? The Amerindians in the Amazon who are half naked, don't care for university education and degree titles, who don't worry themselves with work place "sexual harrasment," and who still mainly live by superstition over medical science... or the immigrants to the United States who ravaged their landscapes, rivers, and lakes to make a large profit so you and other people can come over and talk about all the good sh*t the U.S. gives you the chance to buy?

Are you just ranting just for the sake of it? You are presumptuous! Who are you to say that the natives don't want education? Superstition over medical science? I guess you could say that about Chinese medicine as well. Let me just say to you that the natives have greater knowledge about medicinal plant usage and you should respect their way of life. Did you take any anthropology class yet? I would highly recommend it, since you seem so full of opinion about other people's culture.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/
Joao
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Shelly, let me give you a clue (though Ricardo and I have not been in touch). Why do you think that he is proposing fast Internet connection in Brazil? Ricardo has a habit of ducking out when I ask him a question, but that doesnt mean he has no merits.

I have never said that he has no merits. I applaud him for standing up to the Brazilian cause. Also, can you tell me who is going to implement the technology? Ah, the middle and rich class, the educated portion of our country. Guess who will dig the whole? Seriously, do you think we have a future without investing HEAVILY on education?
e harmony.
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Between May 2000 and August 2006, Brazil lost nearly 150,000 square kilometers of forest—an area larger than Greece—and since 1970, over 600,000 square kilometers (232,000 square miles) of Amazon rainforest have been destroyed. Why is Brazil losing so much forest? What can be done to slow deforestation?

http://www.mongabay.com/brazil.html

Also, look on Nature Conservancy and the program about recovering the Caatinga on NE of Brazil. Sorry, but the following link is in Portugese, but it has some videos: http://www.mre.gov.br/cdbrasil.../index.htm
http://www.nature.org/wherewework/southamerica/brazil/work/art5081.html
Fantastic example!
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
http://www.anba.com.br/ingles/noticia.php?id=10837

Meet Rogério Ferreira da Silva, Brazilian Indian and doctor in agronomy.
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
e harmony...
written by Shelly, 2007-10-15 23:58:13
Are you just ranting just for the sake of it? You are presumptuous! Who are you to say that the natives don't want education? Superstition over medical science? I guess you could say that about Chinese medicine as well. Let me just say to you that the natives have greater knowledge about medicinal plant usage and you should respect their way of life. Did you take any anthropology class yet? I would highly recommend it, since you seem so full of opinion about other people's culture.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/


Shelly, I supposedly have Creek Indian ancestry - a very small genetic amount by the time it gets to me. On the Black-American side of my family my grandmother's mother was supposedly half Creek Indian. The only thing I identify as is mulatto or maybe given the situation Black-American. I'm predominately a product of Black-American urban culture in the Midwest.

I have no beef with Amerindians, just like I have no beef with the Masi (sp?) tribal people in Africa. However, utilizing logic and systematic thought I have to realize that my Germanic ancestors once lived primitive like the Amerindians. In fact we currently today refer to my ancestor who lived a few steps above the pre-Colombian Amerindians in consumption pattern, who were mostly illiterate, and who were very tribal, as living in the "Dark Ages" after they brought down Rome. Those German ancestors of mine - who at one time worshiped nature - utilized local plants for health and healing just as Amerindians, they also practiced forms of "healing" that were just as superstitious as the Amerindian Shaman that blow on the belly of sick men to cast out the bad spirits.

My point is, either Europeans running around primitive (and yes... there was a time when Europeans used bow and arrows and lived in wood structures or caves) was an excellent thing, in contrast to say the advanced societies of the Maya and Mexica in the Americas, or the cities of Paris and London in the 1600's, or the United States and Japan today, or primitive European civilizations (and supposedly "civilization" began in the fertile cresent with the beginning of settled farming communities) or rather European "tribal societies" were a lesser good standing than modern advanced societies. Keep in mind I have declared no definitive conclusion as to who was or is more right or wrong. But I have no desire to live like Amerindians in the Amazon or my primitive German ancestors who had nothing of modern infrastructure or advanced medical science and I value post-secondary education. So, of course part of me essentially judges modern advanced societies as functioning in the greater good. However, human beings are biologically part of the animal kingdom, and therefore there is something essentially natural about living in the abject poverty (by modern standards) like my primitive German ancestors and the Amazonian Amerindians of today (well... the ones living in primitive tribal societies) who utilized their bodies (not unlike capoeira practitioners or parkour practitioners) athletic, beautiful, but all most animalistic and dangerous ways.



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Amazon satlite images
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
e harmony. You can look it at the images, click and you will see different regions. http://www.dgi.inpe.br/CDSR/

satellite
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
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e harmony...
written by Shelly, 2007-10-15 23:58:13

Are you just ranting just for the sake of it? You are presumptuous! Who are you to say that the natives don't want education? Superstition over medical science? I guess you could say that about Chinese medicine as well. Let me just say to you that the natives have greater knowledge about medicinal plant usage and you should respect their way of life. Did you take any anthropology class yet? I would highly recommend it, since you seem so full of opinion about other people's culture.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Deforestation/


(Continuation)

But to many environmentalist - and people in general - fail to keep to systematic thought (which requires logic) and essentially talk out of two sides of their neck. On one hand they complain the people in the favelas with modern weapons (firearms) and cell phones, tv's, radios, and participants in local concerts and whom also have greater material consumption patterns than the primitive Amerindians or my German ancestors (or even Jesus Christ) are poor and lack access to the benefits of advanced medical science and care and post-secondary education etc., yet many of these same environmentalist and people will turn around and glamorize the primitive lifestyle of Amerindians (or African primitive tribal groups) running around with "poison frog" blowdarts, getting high with snot hanging out their nose, and never building a college or library for their tribe. To be raw and honest these primitive people don't take sh*ts in toilets or worry about issues of feminist equality.

I'm not bashing Amerindians just like I'm not bashing my German ancestors. I personally believe that whole "Dark Ages" thing (as though my German ancestors lived in the "Light Ages" prior to that) is a bunch ideological B.S. But I would wish people would stick to one g*ddamn, logical, systematic thought rather than bouncing around to baised, emotive, ideological conclusions where ever they like.

Personally, I think much (perhaps not all or most) of our environmental problems stem from our attitudes of how we glamorize the culture of U.S. consumption patterns and consequently cast a moral and condescending judgment on poverty. I try to tell people material poverty is nothing more than a material state of being, in and of itself it is neither morally bad or good, it just is (neutral). Driving an SUV and obtaining a Ph.D. does not make you essentially better than someone in a favela who has a secondary education and is functionally illiterate, malnourished, and has a smaller consumption pattern than you (plural use of "you").
forest fires
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
http://sigma.cptec.inpe.br/pro...tacao.html

Have fun with the images, fire images are updated every 3 hours.
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
e harmony...
written by Shelly, 2007-10-15 23:58:13
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, with four out of five of its people living in abject poverty. One reason is that its forests have been cut down, and not replanted, and so its soil has eroded away. Forests used to cover over nine tenths of Haiti: now only 1-2 per cent remains densely forested.

Hate to rain on your parade, but Haiti is having SERIOUS problems.

Anyway, you said:Exactly how many Amerindians do you think you'll find running around, living in primitive fashion, in the temperate rainforest of the Pacific Northwest in the United States?

Well, considering the almost ethnic cleansing that went on here in the States, plus smallpox it is hardly news that you don't see "naked Indians" running around. Have you forgotten about The Removal act of 1830?

You said: Your earlier attempt to claim Brazil would become the next Haiti was so far fetched that to be honest you hurt your credibility. Brazil is a massive country who has numerous biomes (large ones at that) unlike Haiti. Haiti is a small country that has little undisturbed or destroyed forest. Haiti has no cerrado savana by which it feeds most the world through meat. And China has horrendously harmed it's environment a long time ago causing massive desterfication - if memory serves me correct (and perhaps I remember wrong) Beijing has some of the worst air quality on earth.

You are once again wrong.Duh, Haiti is smaller than Brazil, no kidding?! And I have said that the air quality in China is horrendous. I have put a link on my post, did you read the whole thing?
http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/haitidef.htm

Haiti has serious problems with deforastation. "Nothing better symbolized the vicious cycle of poverty in Haiti than the process of deforestation. Haiti was once a lush tropical island, replete with pines and broad leaf trees; however, by 1988 only about 2 percent of the country had tree cover."http://countrystudies.us/haiti/53.htm

I would suggest that you find out about the Nordeste of Brazil and what it used to look like. Then you will see that is not impossible to become Haiti in the future. Alarmist? Dam sure, I don't want the Amazon to become the new Nordeste. Also, if you know well, the soil in the Midwest and the Amazon are different-I am not talking about Mato Grosso area, is thin, meaning that the top layer is not suitable for long term farming. Why do you think that in Africa, some villages have to move every 5/8 years? Even with good farming technique, I don't see the region being able to sustain a long period of agriculture. One thing for sure is happening. Farmers are dumping so much fertilizer that they are destroying aquatic life. I respect the indigenous people and who said that we should impose our way of life on them? I never said that, and to say, not once.


I know Haiti is having serious problems, I never suggested Haiti was not. My stance was that Brazil is not going to become Haiti. From a military and economic perspective alone, Shelly, Brazil has to many people to become a "Haiti." No city that has 5,000 people can become an economic engine like Chicago which has well over a million people. Malta and Haiti with the best advanced warships and fighter aircraft could never sustain a war of attrition in post invaded Iraq like the United States, simply based upon the logic inherent in numbers as it relates to driving a large economy or replenishing numbers on a battle field.

And Haiti could still become economically prosperous (relative to it's size) without having a lush tropical forest landscape, because of the way modern economies are becoming driven off of information and technology. Will that happen in my life time? I doubt it.

Brazil has many challenges, but Brazil has many things going for her in her favor. Trees in and of themselves don't make people or a society rich, if that were so Amerindians in the Amazon would be millionaires and like wise all those poor Brazilian agricultural workers toiling in the tropical savanna grasslands of the cerrado. You can be surrounded by trees, rivers, animals and plants and still be poor as hell and die from some disease.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “As for the tourists from Argentina to Southern Brazil, during this summer, we can kiss them good bye also. Too bad about the Commerce losing money.”

Business used to be great in that resort town, and used to be a very live town with people staying until 3 or 4 in the morning having a good time. If you looked around at 2 in the morning and did not know what time it was – you would think that it was 7 PM by the amount of people who were out enjoying themselves.

That was great for the restaurant business and the restaurant was usually full at 1 in the morning – that was the usual routine in that resort town until about 10 years ago.

Suddenly things took a turn for the worse when the criminal gangs started moving around town to prey on all this economic activity.

The town started to get unsafe, mainly after dark and from then on a small problem with the gangs turned out to become into a tsunami.

The tourism industry is the bread and butter for that community and they more or less depend on the tourism dollars for economic survival.

My friend had to lay-off some of the workers on his 2 restaurants because he closes the restaurant much earlier today because there are no customers. Most people stay inside wherever they are after dark and by 7 PM the restaurant lose most of its customers – and the main reason is because they are afraid of the criminals.

What happen to the entire community is that there is a lot less cash flow coming in all year around, year after year and this vicious cycle it has started to affect most businesses in town – and many of the young people of the new generation started moving out of town in search for a better future.

It is a disgrace what is happening in that town and everybody knows that there is no help coming from the federal government because everybody is afraid of these powerful and violent gangs.

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Reply to hegemon
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “Why not suggest 200 billion in foreign investment from the US? Oh, I forgot - American companies are imperialists, not like the nice Chinese goverment.”

You probably did not have the chance to read part 1 and 2 of this series before you made the above comment.

Anyway, The United States is in terrible financial shape and the US government needs to borrow over $ 2 billion dollars per day from foreign sources including the Chinese – for the US government to stay afloat.

In the last few years we have been through a major transfer of wealth from the United States to the Gulf countries of the Middle East and also to China. These people have an over supply of declining US dollars, and they have to find a better place to invest than the United States – The gulf countries of the Middle East are holding foreign exchange reserves of over $ 1.6 trillion dollars and the Chinese are not far behind, then comes Japan with reserves approaching $ 1 trillion dollars.

It is not a matter of being imperialistic – it is a matter that Brazil is a better bet for the Chinese to invest their money.

It is an economic matter that involves cost and benefit analysis, that shows that Brazil is the right place to invest at this time, and not some inflammatory slogan as you mentioned.

In a nutshell: Brazil’s balance sheet as a country looks very good for the future, on the other hand the balance sheet of the United States it looks very bad full with liabilities – it looks more like a balance sheet of a company that is going bankrupt.

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Reply to hegemon
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “And by the way, Central Brazil is going through a huge drought right now. The brilliant strategy of diverting the São Francisco to the northeast and putting in high-fertilizer crops througout the cerrado (Tocantins, MT) will no doubt do great things for the ecology of water in Brazil.”

If you read part 1 and 2 of this series of articles then you will find out that I am against the construction of that dam that you are talking about.

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Culture of Violence.
written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
According to my book on the U.S. Federal Government, the first priority of any national government is to protect its citizens from crime and violence.

I question whether capitalist democracies around the world (perhaps Japan, Australia, and the likes of Canada excluded) are switching to emphasize their first priority as protecting the increasing profitability of corporations and leaving the poor to survive in predator-prey societies? From India, Brazil, to the United States its the poor most victimized by terrorism or criminal gangs. Supposedly, while "Islamic terrorism" is pretty bad in India's major cities, the poor as a whole are supposedly far less violent than the poor in the U.S. or Brazil. The question needs to be asked why? I don't doubt even the primitive Amerindian or African tribal societies - the few that still exist - have better harmonious and community relations than modern poor people in our advanced cities of Brazil and the U.S. Again, it seems the question needs to be asked why?

Frankly, it seems all the colonized nations of the "New World," with the exception of Canada and perhaps Chile, are much more violent than modern Western European societies. Why? Is it because these societies were built of of brutal violence and exploitations? (still fairly recent in their history)

I'm not sure the date of this essay, but the United Nations Development Program has this to say regarding Kingston, Jamaica. (But Washington D.C. is mentioned behind it) Source: http://www.undp.org/rblac/gender/jamaica.htm

Excerpt:
Consultant: Barbara Bailey

Coverage

Prevalence

* A study carried out by A. Harriott shows that the homicide rate in Jamaica is four times higher than the world rate, with the city of Kingston having the highest rate in the world at 109/100,000, followed by Washington D.C., at 67/100,000. According to this researcher, there is a direct relationship between the rate of murder and the rates of other violent crimes-robberies, rapes, etc. In Jamaica, historically, most murders were crimes of passion. In 1963, in 64% of the murder cases, the victims were known to the offender, and domestic violence accounted for 28% of all homicides, while in 1993, this declined to 16%. This does not mean that cases of domestic violence are on the decline, it means that the murder rate - especially since the increase in the number of illegal guns on the island - is going up.
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
News article and video clip about a woman who was emotionally moved by 9/11 to create a blog and report on murder victims in L.A. county.

If material poverty - abject poverty - is the simple or only cause of violence and gang violence in the world, then why do Black-American communities with a fairly high degree of consumption patterns in the almighty rich United States have such high homicide rates? The Latino homicide rates in the U.S. are not far behind that of the Black-Americans.

Personally, I think a "culture of violence" started (or increased) in Brazil and the U.S. with the cocaine wars (in the U.S. around crack) that jumped off in the mid to late 1980's.


Article and video: http://potw.news.yahoo.com/s/p...isible-war

Excerpts.
It's being fought mostly in the tough, minority neighborhoods of Los Angeles County, where three people are killed each day on average — more than a thousand a year.

Leovy is the creator of The Homicide Report, a blogging project by the Los Angeles Times in which she is attempting to record every homicide in Los Angeles County over the course of a year. She has covered over 700 to date...



Beyond the emotions of the victims' families, the Homicide Report illustrates the enormous toll violent crime has taken on the county's minority populations. "Murder stalks minorities," was a recent headline in Leovy's blog.

"If you really want to be serious about the homicide rate," she says, "you need to look at who these numbers represent."

The national homicide rate is roughly six deaths per 100,000 people. For adult Latino males in Los Angeles County it's 52 deaths per 100,000. For adult black males it's an eye opening 176 deaths per 100,000. The highest incidence of murder is in the poor neighborhoods southeast of downtown Los Angeles.
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “To me, that is not good enough. He asked me a question and I answered him with what I think it is a good point. Let's not forget, I have many family members that are educators in Brazil and "indirectly" suggesting people how to get educated will not solve the problem. We'll continue to be the land of servers and masters, "indirectly".”

That’s great then the members of you family can start the educational revolution in Brazil. Here is what I mean.

Never before we had a situation like we have today in world history – and the difference is technology, mind boggling technology that is empowering everybody around the world.

You can’t just sit there and blame everything on the government – you have to be proactive and with a little imagination take advantage of the technological revolution that is going on.

The companies have the incentive to educate the work force to be able to have a supply of the workers of tomorrow.

When you are thinking about education you are probably thinking about an obsolete educational system that many countries still have today such as Brazil and the United States – a system that was created for a country where most of its workers worked on the farms.

In India companies are trying to find new ways to educate their population using the new technologies and they are also trying to bring the jobs to the people where they live through the internet.

The Brazilian government should have a new educational police with new guidelines for an educational program relevant to the 21st century – and they also should create the same type of incentives for companies to become more involved on the development of tomorrow’s workers, and also give incentives to communities to get more involved on the development of these workers.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “You have to be careful, I don't like to see this sort of generalization. The violence in Rio-I am a Carioca and can speak on the subject, has roots on poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, lack of caring by the Brazilian government, poor wages, poor health, and the list goes on. "Let's blame on the American gun-ho society" for all our misfortunes! I agree somewhat that violent movies can increase violence, but this is by no means the sole reason for it. When you have a government as corrupt as ours, we should look within ourselves first and point the finger last.”

The problem is that American culture glorifies violence not only in their Hollywood productions but also on their daily gun-ho attitude towards the rest of the world - The bang-bang cowboy mentality.

The criminal gangs in Brazil also learn from watching the news on television – soon after they saw the gangs burning the cars in France they started copying what they saw on TV by burning cars and busses also in Brazil.

There are many causes for the increase in violence including the increase of the business of illegal drugs, and these are the major reasons for the increase in violence in Brazil.

Regarding as you said “poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, lack of caring by the Brazilian government, poor wages, poor health, and the list goes on” – that has been there for a long time but the poor people did not resort to widespread violence before.

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Reply to hegemon
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “The Amerindians in the Amazon who are half naked, don't care for university education and degree titles, who don't worry themselves with work place "sexual harrasment…"


The Brazilian Indians in the Amazon area have been living there for thousands of years and I remember seeing a documentary on television about some tribe that they were studying in the Amazon area with hundreds of natives living on this very large village in the middle of the jungle and all these indians managed to live in complete harmony with their surrounding environment, they did almost no damage to their environment and if was not for the village you would not even know that there were so many people living in that area, and they have been able to survive generation after generation until recent times when they came in contact with western civilization – A form of deadly virus for them.

On the other hand, just God knows how long our modern societies are going to be able to survive.

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Reply to Ric
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “Whereas some well known observers are saying that China is a bubble.”

And the US economy is based on the world of illusion.

I guess we have to find another planet to move to.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “Also, can you tell me who is going to implement the technology? Ah, the middle and rich class, the educated portion of our country. Guess who will dig the whole? Seriously, do you think we have a future without investing HEAVILY on education?”

Education of the Brazilian population is an important part of the economic development of Brazil, but that is a part of the plan that has to be developed and implemented by the Brazilian government in partnership with all kinds of companies operating in Brazil.

By the way, people have to become proactive and not just wait for the government to resolve this mess.

Today there is a lot of money available from US foundations for special projects to improve humanity – we are talking about billions of US dollars – and a lot of this money can be directed to fund new educational programs in Brazil.

The money is there for the take and all that is missing is a little imagination from the educational classes in Brazil for them to be proactive and try to tap into this new source of money.

O.K. we have an easier way to solve the problem – we sit there and bitch about on how the Brazilian government and the business class in Brazil don’t care about the poor people in Brazil. And they are going to continue in this completely hopeless situation.

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Reply to e harmony
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “According to my book on the U.S. Federal Government, the first priority of any national government is to protect its citizens from crime and violence.”

That is not happening in Brazil for many years. The Brazilian government has not been protecting its citizens from crime and violence for a long time.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 16, 2007
Today there is a lot of money available from US foundations for special projects to improve humanity – we are talking about billions of US dollars – and a lot of this money can be directed to fund new educational programs in Brazil.


Could you please direct me to the websites of such foundations? A friend of mine is interested in implementing a project and looking for grants.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
O.K. we have an easier way to solve the problem – we sit there and bitch about on how the Brazilian government and the business class in Brazil don’t care about the poor people in Brazil. And they are going to continue in this completely hopeless situation.

I don't know how old you are, but one thing is for sure. My family has been doing more a lot more than you think to help some communities in Rio. They didn't start this "new age thinking" today. I am talking about 2 forms of education, technical schools and formal schools. The former and the latter are in shambles in Brazil. I envisioned something like the German education system for Brazil, BUT where is the money for the education. Apprenticeships as important as history. Not every child will be a doctor, but let's give the children a chance to live with dignity. So far the Brazilian government is the ONLY one to be blamed. You can give me this bulls**t about Lula not being the sole creator of the current problems, but what the hell, is he waiting for Jesus to come? His bolsa familia program is excellent, I suppose? It leaves people where they belong, behind the boteco drinkin cachaca.

Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
"That’s great then the members of you family can start the educational revolution in Brazil. Here is what I mean.

Never before we had a situation like we have today in world history – and the difference is technology, mind boggling technology that is empowering everybody around the world."

You don't need to lecture me on the advantages of technology. Please, would you kindly tell that to a child cutting sugar cane, working more than 8 hours a day? Or would you kindly tell this to a child selling candy in Rio?
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
I know Haiti is having serious problems, I never suggested Haiti was not.


Yes you have.

Here is your answer: Haiti is a small country that has little undisturbed or destroyed forest.
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Driving an SUV and obtaining a Ph.D. does not make you essentially better than someone in a favela who has a secondary education and is functionally illiterate, malnourished, and has a smaller consumption pattern than you (plural use of "you").

I agree with you on this one. I have never said the contrary.
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written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
know Haiti is having serious problems, I never suggested Haiti was not. My stance was that Brazil is not going to become Haiti.

Well, my stance is that it can. Have you read anything about the Nordeste? I guess you didn't.

You said:Brazil has many challenges, but Brazil has many things going for her in her favor. Trees in and of themselves don't make people or a society rich, if that were so Amerindians in the Amazon would be millionaires and like wise all those poor Brazilian agricultural workers toiling in the tropical savanna grasslands of the cerrado. You can be surrounded by trees, rivers, animals and plants and still be poor as hell and die from some disease.


Trees,dear, are not a measure of prosperity. However, studies have shown that sustainability of forest management is linked to economic prosperity. The natives in the Amazon, before we messed around with their way of living, they were healthy and had food on the table-everyday! They knew how to balance hunting and gathering. Surplus economy is a western though. As I said, anthropology 101 will do a lot of good.

you said:Trees in and of themselves don't make people or a society rich, if that were so Amerindians in the Amazon would be millionaires
How do you categorize wealth? Are you saying that the way they live is below and inferior to ours?
thought
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
surplus economy is a western thought
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written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Today there is a lot of money available from US foundations for special projects to improve humanity – we are talking about billions of US dollars – and a lot of this money can be directed to fund new educational programs in Brazil.


It is great that AMERICAN institutions are helping Brazil. But, this should be done first and foremost by our own country.
Rio de Janeiro: Urban expansion and structural change
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
www.amsberg.net/urbpov/URBPOVVivaRio.doc


http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu23me/uu23me0o.htm
violence in Rio
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Early 1980's Rio saw a surge of migration. A lot of urban and rural workers, especially from the Nordeste of Brazil came to live in Rio. They were agricultural workers and had few skills needed to work in a city. Sao Paulo is seeing this surge of migrants from rural to the city-obviously, violence will result, we are already seen this phenomena in Sao Paulo. It is estimated that around 800 thousand people arrive daily in Sao Paulo, where do you think they will work and live? Are you going to blame the violence in America or blame the Brazilian government for turning the face the other way?
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-16 03:38:06

Regarding as you said “poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, lack of caring by the Brazilian government, poor wages, poor health, and the list goes on” – that has been there for a long time but the poor people did not resort to widespread violence before.



I've noted (as many much older than me have too) that in general the Black-American communities, even if they were poor ones, did not have the level of exaggerated violence that it does today. H*ll! even some of the far rural poor Black-American communities of the South still don't. The U.S. is the 3rd largest (population wise) country in the world, following behind China and India, so even a small percentage of people can at times equal a large numerical body of people. Prior to entering the U.S. Marine Corps and being stationed down South, I had no idea you had entire rural communities of black folks living in stilled shacks like it was the 1800's. As far as the U.S. media and Northern black people are concerned these people don't even exist. Yet! As poor as some of these people were (outhouses and barefoot) they have no where near the level of violence you'll find in Southern and Northern cities.

Oprah Winfrey lived as a child in the rural South with no running water or electricity like this dude: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09...ref=slogin (full story)



There seems to have been a time when armed gangs of the Brazilian favelas did not terrorize the Brazilian people with the level of extraordinary violence that they do today. And let's be honest, the gangs of Rio de Janeiro; Sao Paulo; and Brazil in general are among the most violent and vicious on earth.
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
Reply to hegemon
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-16 04:03:35
You said: “The Amerindians in the Amazon who are half naked, don't care for university education and degree titles, who don't worry themselves with work place "sexual harrasment…"


The Brazilian Indians in the Amazon area have been living there for thousands of years and I remember seeing a documentary on television about some tribe that they were studying in the Amazon area with hundreds of natives living on this very large village in the middle of the jungle and all these indians managed to live in complete harmony with their surrounding environment, they did almost no damage to their environment and if was not for the village you would not even know that there were so many people living in that area, and they have been able to survive generation after generation until recent times when they came in contact with western civilization – A form of deadly virus for them.

On the other hand, just God knows how long our modern societies are going to be able to survive.


I agree with you regarding the sentiments of your post. I'm no sociologist or cultural anthropologist or expert on anything... but I can still utilize critical thinking and compare and contrast, so basically I just challenge people to be more honest about the world they live in, and I challenge our notions of "civility." There were aspects of virtue to the civilizations of the Northern European Middle Ages and there were and are aspects of virtue to the primitive Amerindian and African tribal societies. But I also would suggest that advanced modern civilizations have made some very significant human social improvements. Advanced medical science, principles of liberty and tolerance, gender equality, multiculturalism, university education even if all those books require trees get cut down, are some of the social improvements and virtues of modern civilization - now the creation of the nuclear bomb and the fire bombing of Tokyo and Dresden and Napalm dropped on the children and women of Vietnam is probably a step up in barbarity.
Ricardo: And the Chinese economy is based on the world of illusion.
written by aes, October 16, 2007
Last week, former US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan warned that the Chinese stock market could undergo a dramatic correction.

His caution, however, has done little to dampen enthusiasm for stocks among Chinese investors., leaving the basic trend of the stock market still upwards.

One of the main factors behind the surge in shares has been ordinary people, such as students and pensioners, as well as investors and businesspeople, buying shares instead of leaving their savings in bank accounts in the hope of receiving better returns.

According to industry figures, 300,000 people a day opened brokerage accounts in China last week. According to Chinese government sources, the recent boom has meant that the value of shares on the stock market, at £1.1 trillion, now exceeds the value of deposits in China's banks.

Marshall Gittler, Deutsche Bank's chief Asian strategist, said that buying shares was the new Chinese national pastime. However, he warned that many investors were not basing their purchases on solid financial analysis.

Gittler warned that there would be a "substantial correction at some point", meaning the retail investors could see their life savings wiped out.

business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=831992007 - 32k
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-16 09:29:06
I know Haiti is having serious problems, I never suggested Haiti was not.


Yes you have.

Here is your answer: Haiti is a small country that has little undisturbed or destroyed forest.


Ok, I see where the misunderstanding occurred. What my message was meaning to say or communicate was that little forestry in Haiti has not been disturbed - in contrast to that of the Amazon where most the Amazon - according to my book - remains undisturbed.

Keep in mind, modern day United States only has 4% of the forestry left that it originally did when Europeans first arrived. That means the United States cut down 96% of it forests. I'm sure Western European civilizations have the same or worse story than the U.S. regarding altering her original biomes. So, I fail to see how Brazil has become the evil monster all of a sudden in the eyes of some people.

Do I think Brazil needs to do more to protect the Amazon, Cerrado, and her Atlantic rainforest as well as urban pollution around humans (and other species), in the soil, and pollution in the rivers and bodies of water? Yes.

But I don't view Brazil as anymore evil than the U.S. or Europe - and I also think balance needs to be brought to the discussion as it relates to the needs of human beings material welfare in Brazil (in other words I think raised material quality of life issues and industry concerns need to be considered too).

I also think screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" does not, in the long run, help the environmentalist cause. I'm actually further on the environmentalist side (or concerns) than I am on industries side. I mean, the only ones "making out" in the exploitation of the cerrado currently are the f*cking de facto Robber Barons of Brazil.
The China bubble.
written by aes, October 16, 2007
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned Wednesday that there's going to be a "dramatic contraction" in Chinese equities and that the current surge on the Chinese stock market is unsustainable, according to media reports. In recent weeks, a number of financial firms, including Goldman Sachs, as well as Governor Zhou Xiaochuan of the People's Bank of China have expressed concern about the possibility of a bubble forming in the Chinese stock market. The Shanghai Composite Index, which tracks shares listed on the larger of China's two stock exchanges, has gained 56% year-to-date.

http://www.marketwatch.com/new...E60D5175F}
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
Reply to e harmony
written by Ricardo Amaral, 2007-10-16 04:43:34
You said: “According to my book on the U.S. Federal Government, the first priority of any national government is to protect its citizens from crime and violence.”

That is not happening in Brazil for many years. The Brazilian government has not been protecting its citizens from crime and violence for a long time.


I believe this. But I'm looking at it through the frame of reference of a U.S. citizens experience and the history of her political culture. Brazil has a different historical political culture. Yet, I group Brazil and India into my question relating to the direction of a modern capitalist democracy like the U.S. because so far as I can tell, Brazil and India have for some time been modeling themselves more off of U.S. brand of savage capitalism than saying utilizing Canada and the onetime more social welfare orientated German and Japanese style of capitalism.

Perhaps I'm wrong on some or most of this as I have never in my life to date, taken any economics course. You on the other hand know waaaaaay more about how economies function than I do.

But I look at the supposed Al Qaida (sp?) attack on the Pentagon and the Twin Towers banks, and the U.S. Government's move to rapidly protect the well-to-do, even if it means stepping on civil liberties, the Federal money invested in all this, and even the corporations "making out" in the occupation of Iraq. Then I look at all the murder, extortion, and intimidation on the U.S. streets by Crips, Latin Kings, GD's, VL's and others, who are essentially no more than domestic terrorist, and I say to myself... hmmm something is fishy [rubs chin].


P.S. Keep in mind: Al Qaida is not going to come f*ck with the "hood." They want the n*ggas with "bread" (money).
Shelley, E. Harmony et al.
written by aes, October 16, 2007
50% of children died before the age 10 and the average life span was 40 years. These are statistics of the pre industrial world. The infant mortality rate and life span are the two driving forces in the effect man has had on his environment. What man would not sacrifice all the trees that existed for the life of his child? Trees can be replanted goes the thinking. What man would not sacrifice the spotted owl for the life of his wife? It is the personal, the selfish that drives men's behaviors. Given the tools of modern man, the chain saw for example, he can magnify his ego centric actions a thousand fold. And a million people magifying their self interests a thousand fold ends in the rape of mother earth. We man's ability to effect his environment exploded in the age of the internal combustion and steam engines he no longer needed in his misguidedness, to regard Earth as mother earth. But the Earth is a living thing. It is a thing in equilibrium. When it goes out of equilibrium it corrects, naturally. There are too many people on this Earth. There needs cannot be met. They will not be met by the environment. Man has/will overgraze and like all species out of equilibrium will be forced back into equilibrium. The mechanisms are famine, disease, self poisoning and war. The obeisity in the Western World is a manifestation of man out of balance with himself. Somewhere between child mortality and life expectancy represents balance between man and his environment. The indiginous peoples of the Amazon have struck a balance with their environment, successful for milenia. But what man would not change the fate of his children or of his wife or of himself if he had the tools? In the end what does it profit a man to gain the world if he loses his soul? 21st Century man has put an end to the soul. The soul however exists as a scientific Yungian principal of inherent architypical forms. What matters is not the length of life, but the quality of it. Modern man is in a state of psychological dysfunction. He is out of step with his environment and himself. The consequences are presenting as a terminal cancer patient begins to present. Addiction, disease, malaise, alienation, depression. Man is glutton, he has become his own death. In a thousand years mother earth will have culled the herd. In 10,000 years the Earth will rekindle itself. It is in the nature of Earth to do this.
China is more interested in middle-east and Africa than Brazil
written by yowser, October 16, 2007
China is more interested in middle-east and Africa than Brazil. News does little report the fact that China is actively courting oil rich mid-east and African nations via goodwill visits and investment. China is investing heavily in that part of the world and building infrastructure to ensure it will be able to tap into oil to fuel its expected growth. Brazil needs to offer the energy carrot to China to attract investment.
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written by João da Silva, October 16, 2007
Brazil needs to offer the energy carrot to China to attract investment.


Lets not forget that they are bordering Burma with plenty of Natural Gas and other unexplored natural resources, besides controlling the Burmese government!
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written by aes, October 16, 2007
The U.S. side's actions have seriously harmed U.S.-China relations," said Liu. "We hope the U.S. side will seriously and solemnly handle the serious representations of China, correct its mistakes and cancel relevant arrangements, and stop all forms of interfering in the internal affairs of China."

Play ball with China and they will stick the bat up your ass.

aes
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
agree with you 100%. eharmony, check the satellite images of the Amazon. Click on Manaus and then change the latitute and longitude accordingly. See the dates from 1978 from until 2007. You will be able to judge better by looking at the images and make an opinion based on reality. An Area of the size of Greece is hardly something to ignore.
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Brazil modeling itself on American savage capitalism? Yes, I believe I said that we should not mimic the US's model.
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
Perhaps I'm wrong on some or most of this as I have never in my life to date, taken any economics course. You on the other hand know waaaaaay more about how economies function than I do.

Dream on dear. At your age, I could already speak 3 different languages, had lived in 2 different continents and have finished 2 degrees. One in language and the other on oceonography. Please, do not compare my education with yours, because I can clearly see that you are very limited on the geography and history of your own coutry. Adding 2 2 does not make you an economist. Obviously, you know so much about economy, stick to environmental science-but change books.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
Here is where your friend can start:

Go to Google

Then write the word “Foundation” and press search

This is the result of your search: Results 1 - 10 of about 433,000,000 for "Foundation"

There are 433 million entries for the word foundation, but one of the first foundation that is listed is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation – That is a very good place for your friend to start his search for funding. I believe they already help some groups in Brazil in the education area.

Another great source for foundation information is the Foundation Center – I have been in one of their offices the one located in New York City – they list a lot of foundations and give a description of what kind of programs they fund.

The Foundation Center has a lot of information online on their web site:

http://foundationcenter.org/


Foundations and Grantmakers: This directory lists foundations and grantmakers by name. You can scroll through the directory.

http://www.foundations.org/grantmakers.html


There are other major foundations that he can check it for a grant such as:

The Rockefeller Foundation

[ur...found.org/


Here in the US you have the choice of going to your local library and ask for the directory of foundations – that book has over 1,000 pages and lists the foundations by type of funding.

The information that I gave to you is a start for your friend – the US foundations are full of money that they have to give away – and the amount of money is increasing every year.

It takes a lot of work to find the grantmaker – but the money is available for the people who doesn’t give up – might that a lot of effort until you find the source of funding.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 16, 2007
You said: “They didn't start this "new age thinking" today. I am talking about 2 forms of education, technical schools and formal schools.”

What they are trying to do in India is not a new age thinking – they are trying to find new solutions and new ways to teach as many poor kids as they can.

The old system of structured teaching is not working anymore – the average kid is bored with the obsolete educational system that we still impose on them.

The average kid today do things in the internet with creating files and moving things around and they understand more about how the new world works than the people who are trying to teach them.

The educational system has to be redesign to teach the children the information and skills that it matters for the 21st century and they should stop trying to educate the children for a world long gone.

Here is what my family has been doing in Brazil for the last 133 years regarding the education of poor children.

My great-great grandfather the Barao of Souza Queiroz was the founder of the oldest charity organization in Brazil and our family still runs that organization today.

The Istituto Dona Ana Rosa has been helping the poor children in Brazil for over 133 years and during that period they helped more than 200,000 children get a basic education and improve their lives.

When the Barão turned 65 years old, he resigned of most of his corporate positions, and from then on he spent his time doing philanthropy. He founded in November 1874 a philanthropic organization named Associação Barão de Souza Queiroz de Proteção à Infâcia e à Juventude-Instituto Dona Ana Rosa. He set up this organization in such way that the organization was financially independent.

The greater part of the funding made available for the organization was invested in the purchase of real estate in central São Paulo. The income from the rental of these properties has supported the institute for the last 133 years. Throughout all this time, the association has been maintained by the Barão's descendants, now in the sixth generation. All members of the Board of Trustees of this organization always have been descendants of the Barão.

Many of my cousins are involved in the management of this foundation including Olave Setubal the Chairman of Banco Itau. (Olavo Setubal is a great-great grandson of the Barao de Souza Queiroz).

Over the years the organization took care of more than 2,000 children per year. But lately the organization has been able to help about 1,200 children; they have a crèche for children up to seven, and a center for children age 7 to 14, and provide ten courses in jobs skills such as carpentry, cooking, printing and computing, among others.

Our family never liked any publicity about this organization, but The Institute Dona Ana Rosa came into the spotlight in 1999, when the organization received a cash prize and was ranked number 8 in the ranking of the 100 Best Run Charities of Latin America and the Emerging Countries.

Since that time it became public knowledge that The Institute Dona Ana Rosa has been the top charity organization in Brazil year after year and they continue doing an outstanding job.


You can read about the Institute Ana Rosa at:

http://www.anarosa.org.br/exibe.php?menu=1


http://www.tupavideo.hpg.com.br/

A Associação “Barão de Souza Queiroz de Proteção à Infância e à Juventude”, fundada para manter o Instituto Dona Ana Rosa, é a mais antiga entidade beneficente do Brasil, tendo iniciado suas atividades em 1874.
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To;Ricarod Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 16, 2007
Thanks for the info on foundations. It was nice of you.

What they are trying to do in India is not a new age thinking – they are trying to find new solutions and new ways to teach as many poor kids as they can.


You are right and I know a bit about it. But I thought from your intial posts about China, you were not too impressed about the progress made by India regarding all fronts, compared to China! I am surprised!! Unfortunately, not many Brazilian educators I know of are much impressed with the new solutions adopted by the Indians. I think you are talking about the e-learning solutions and please do correct me if I am wrong. Incredible it may sound, my friend is actually trying to try out their solutions and she is doing it in an incredibly quiet way.

Thanks for the info and by the way, I knew why you were insisting on high speed broadband network for Brazil. Certainly not to down load the movies for the kids to watch smilies/grin.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 16, 2007
Certainly not to down load the movies for the kids to watch


Sorry Ricardo. A Correction: "Certainly not to down load the movies of Arnaldo S for the kids to watch"!
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written by e harmony, October 16, 2007
aes
written by Shelly, 2007-10-16 13:31:01

agree with you 100%. eharmony, check the satellite images of the Amazon. Click on Manaus and then change the latitute and longitude accordingly. See the dates from 1978 from until 2007. You will be able to judge better by looking at the images and make an opinion based on reality. An Area of the size of Greece is hardly something to ignore.


Shelly, I never suggested Brazilian (or the world's for that matter) environmental issues should be ignored, at least that is never the message I intended to communicate.

I think we are talking past one another and perhaps some how some miscommunication going on. So, let us just agree to disagree on how we both assess the broader issue. I think we both can agree on the simple point that it worth while for all of us if we do not destroy the worlds complete ecosystem.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 16, 2007
It is a beautiful projetct, that is for sure. However, my dad is the peon, every Saturday and Wednesday nights he is working at the favela do Anil-he has done this since I was a little girl. My father could well turn the face and not bother, he a owner of a large company is Rio-but he has chosen to give back to the community. There is an organization in Bahia that is quite old-not as old as Instituto Ana Rosa, but it is also an orfanage and they have helped direclty with fundraising. I think it boils down to what I was saying. Our government should do more to help, invest in education-technical schools formal education. I don't think we should strip the formal education away, I wouldn't go for the Indian model. I am more inclined towards the German and English schools. Since my kids went to English schools, I can only speak of the British curriculum and I believe to be excellent. SENAC is a good project, but we certainly could do with more schools around Rio.
SENAC locations : Barra da Tijuca, Jacarepagua, Copacabana, Campo Grande, Madureira, Riachuelo, Centro, Bonsucesso, Centro, Iraja and Ilha do Governador.

Have you noticed that in the Zona Sul of Rio we have 2 SENACs and one in Jacarepagua? All others are very far for most kids and they have to travel long distances to go to school. This is certainly something that needs to change.
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written by e harmony, October 17, 2007
eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-16 13:41:12
Perhaps I'm wrong on some or most of this as I have never in my life to date, taken any economics course. You on the other hand know waaaaaay more about how economies function than I do.

Dream on dear. At your age, I could already speak 3 different languages, had lived in 2 different continents and have finished 2 degrees. One in language and the other on oceonography. Please, do not compare my education with yours, because I can clearly see that you are very limited on the geography and history of your own coutry. Adding 2 2 does not make you an economist. Obviously, you know so much about economy, stick to environmental science-but change books.


Hmm... I think I was addressing those comments to Mr. Amaral. I don't think ever implied or suggested I had comparable education to you. Anyone who has learned to speak two let alone 3 or more languages should justly feel proud of themselves. I can only speak English - American English to boot! If a person has obtained more or one degrees or advanced degrees then that too should be something that person should feel good about.

But, degrees while they do correctly symbolize something - hmmm how can I say this - a degree can never transmit essentially the talent of someone. And I don't say that to suggest you have no talent at all, or anyone else with a degree for that matter, but college is full of people seeking degrees and less crowded with people seeking truth. There are one or two people, in my life, who are roughly of my age and high school drop outs that have been correct about certain things related to life where I was wrong. So, I have to try to keep a balance about my opinion of myself and whatever education I have.

I feel more comfortable in my intellectual or analytical abilities when it comes to environmental science than I do economics or physics. And I feel I understand more about economics than physics. Rest assured, Shelly, I have argued passionately about economics with college graduates who have taken one or more college level economic courses, but that was because I felt they were very far from the mark, so very far. On the other hand, Mr. Amaral, I can tell is very much above my knowledge base (and perhaps even talent) on the subject of economics.

And I don't doubt you have more knowledge base than me regarding many aspects of environmental science. But environmental science in some ways is probably kind of like psychology, there's not always one specific right view or theory. And had you not made such a far fetched claim like, Brazil is going to become the next Haiti, all in relation to asserting no country that destroys the environment should be trusted, all in light of the USA's environmental past, I would have been much more open to deferring to your educated and professional opinion.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
However, my dad is the peon, every Saturday and Wednesday nights he is working at the favela do Anil-he has done this since I was a little girl


No dear, your dad is not a peon.Just an idealist . I am sure your dad will be alright. After all, he is a Dutch. I wonder why he is working so hard at the favelas.May be he loves it.Leave the old man to do whatever he wants.It is a great pity that the Dutch were defeated in PE.

And you, never ever bad mouth the Dutch, because I have a couple of Dutch buddies.
Joao
written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
Yes, rest assured that I will not bad mouth the Dutch-only that they are slightest "tight" with money-when, if you have an opportunity to do business with someone from the Netherlands, just sit back and see how things go. We'll argue about everything, anything and a decision will only be made if we can reach a consensus. I used to HATE having to discuss where to spend our summer vacation-my parents would argue for EVER . smilies/wink.gif
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
And had you not made such a far fetched claim like, Brazil is going to become the next Haiti..


I can see that you have not looked into the Nordeste of Brazil. Your comment is far fetched, considering that you have not looked into the issue. The north of my country, is much like Haiti, and guess how long it took to become a desert? Please, Joao, would you please tell our dear friend about the Nordeste? We have spoken about this before, but since she thinks she knows better, maybe someone else should tell her about the cotton plantations and what it did to the region. Also, my degree is in Oceanography and Spanish-if you know anything about it, we had a heavy load of physics, chemistry and biology. From freshwater ecosystems to marine ecosystem. From thermodinamics to mechanics, from organic chemistry to inorganic. In Spanish, not only do we learn the language, but also we learn, history and geography. You would not be able to pass a class in literature without knowing some philosophy, religion and sociology. I am sure you will do fine in your profession, but I suggest you make a visit to the Brazilian web site-satellite imagery and see it for yourself.
Shelly
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
Yes, rest assured that I will not bad mouth the Dutch-only that they are slightest "tight" with money-when, if you have an opportunity to do business with someone from the Netherlands, just sit back and see how things go.


Right and ya got it. The good ole Dutch are like Arabs. Have Henikenn with them,make frienship and see how things go. The Dutch have the sensibilty of doing business and we have to learn a lot from them. The Germans are good too,but not as subtle as the Dutch. I have never been to the Netherlands,though one day I would like to go and check how they are running their air and sea ports.You know what I am talking about. Great people, the Dutch are.
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written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
I wonder why he is working so hard at the favelas..

Maybe the old man has another family? smilies/wink.gif No, just kidding! But he goes there on Wednesdays to have meetings regarding agenda issues: how to allocate money, where to get food for the weekend, how to supply the bolsa familia, example every 2 weeks they give some basic food staples, such as cooking oil, pasta, sugar, bread, milk, cheese. The organization has built a small, modest school for the children and it some of the volunteers help with basic math and Portuguese language. Last year I went there, it changed quite a bit-some roads are paved, but still they have a canal that goes through the old Antartica Cervejaria plant. They used to dump a lot of chemicals on the canal (I am sure they still do it). Anyone familiar with the area knows that eventually, not far from it, you have Barra da Tijuca and the Atlantic Ocean.

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written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
Desertification in NE of Brazil/hope it helps you understand how easy it is to be like Haiti...
written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
"The climatic impacts of a large-scale desertification in northeast Brazil (NEB) are assessed by using the Center for Weather Forecasting and Climate Studies Center for Ocean Land Atmosphere Studies (CPTEC COLA) AGCM. Two numerical runs are performed. In the control run, NEB is covered by its natural vegetation (most of NEB is covered by a xeromorphic vegetation known as caatinga); in the desertification run, NEB vegetation is changed to desert (bare soil). Each run consists of five 1-yr numerical integrations. The results for NEB wet season (March May) are analyzed. Desertification results in hydrological cycle weakening: precipitation, evapotranspiration, moisture convergence, and runoff decrease. Surface net radiation decreases and this reduction is almost evenly divided between sensible and latent heat flux. Atmospheric diabatic heating decreases and subsidence anomalies confined at lower atmospheric levels are found. The climatic impacts result from the cooperative action of feedback processes related to albedo increase, plant transpiration suppression, and roughness length decrease. On a larger scale, desertification leads to precipitation increase in the oceanic belt close to the northernmost part of NEB (NNEB). In the NEB NNEB dipole, the anomalies of vertical motion and atmospheric circulation are confined to lower atmospheric levels, that is, 850 700 hPa. At these levels, circulation anomalies resemble the linear baroclinic response of a shallow atmospheric layer (850 700 hPa) to a tropical heat sink placed over NEB at the middle-layer level. Therefore, NEB climate does show sensitivity to a vegetation change to desert. The present work shows the possibility of significant and pronounced climate impacts, on both regional and large scales, if the environmental degradation in NEB continues unchecked."

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004JCli...17.3203D


Threats

Overgrazing by cattle and goats and excessive harvesting of fruits are seriously affecting the population structure of most of the more important species. Indiscriminate timbering for industry as well as fuelwood and charcoal is decimating the original vegetation. The region is rapidly approaching the situation of Africa in the Sahara and Sahel, where chronic drought and misuse of the environment are threatening a major catastrophe. Desertification is a serious threat, as is gradual salinization of the soils due to irrigation. Furthermore, most if not all of the over 16 conservation units in the North-east are under severe pressure from the local human populations.

http://www.nmnh.si.edu/botany/projects/cpd/sa/sa19.htm
Shelley: Hoe gaat het met u?
written by aes, October 17, 2007
I spent 4 months on a canal boat in the red light district in Amsterdam in '73 selling emeralds and buying and selling cars. I found the Dutch to be the most humanistic of all the peoples of Europe.

I think the work of your father is noble.

As to oceanography I started UCLA in '61 working in invertebate neuro-physiology under Dr. Theodore Bullock, cutting the brains out of aplesia, using a discecting scope. I was 17 and a lab tech assigned to German and Japenese researchers. I was in charge of the salt water and fresh water aquariums. A lot of very expensive fish died under my watch. Before coming to Rio de Janeiro I had the privelege of knowing Dr. Mike Greenberg. He was invoved with Woods Hole and the University of Florida. He was a neighbor and I was fortunate to have the opportunity of discussing current research in oceanography. It was conincidental that he was working on an aplesia project at the Whitney Laboratory. Bullock's work on aplesia led to a Pulitzer prize some years back. It was such a pleasure to get back to the world of zoology and science. In some small way I had participated in that research 45 years ago.

Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
Welcome.

You said: I knew why you were insisting on high-speed broadband network for Brazil.
"Certainly not to down load the movies of Arnaldo S for the kids to watch"!


Basically I enjoy watching most of Arnold S’s movies. But I don’t go around trying to imitate him.

Regarding high-speed broadband network – that is becoming a must have system something similar to electric power. It would be very hard for most businesses to operate without electric power – today for a company to be able to operate in the new global economy it will require a high-speed broadband network for them to be able to do business and be efficient and competitive in the new environment – otherwise that company would fall behind and it would be out of the loop.

Companies are doing more and more business through the internet – not only with its customers, but with its suppliers, their banking needs, communications with employees and customers. Some major corporations are even using wiki technology to maximize everything they do – they are placing in the web all their proprietary information and they are trying to reach the best minds from around the world to help them to solve all kinds of problems.

The countries with the fastest high-speed broadband network – the leading edge of technology – the state-of-the-art in technology in that area – are the countries that will develop the new technologies of tomorrow – because they can do things on their high-speed broadband network that the other people can’t.

The Brazilian government should wire all the major cities in Brazil with fiber optics and the fastest high-speed broadband system available – then the Brazilian government should let the private sector compete to create and deliver all kinds of services to the consumer. This is the system that has delivered not only the fastest type of high-speed broadband system, but also the cheapest prices to the consumers, because the private sector has to compete with each other and deliver the best services for the lowest prices.

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
You said: “I think it boils down to what I was saying. Our government should do more to help, invest in education-technical schools formal education. I don't think we should strip the formal education away, I wouldn't go for the Indian model.

SENAC is a good project, but we certainly could do with more schools around Rio.
SENAC locations : Barra da Tijuca, Jacarepagua, Copacabana, Campo Grande, Madureira, Riachuelo, Centro, Bonsucesso, Centro, Iraja and Ilha do Governador.

Have you noticed that in the Zona Sul of Rio we have 2 SENACs and one in Jacarepagua? All others are very far for most kids and they have to travel long distances to go to school. This is certainly something that needs to change.”


When we talk about investment in education we need to keep the following in mind.
I wrote an article a few years ago and I am quoting from that article as follows:

“It is very hard for any country to create good paying jobs for everyone, to build a solid middle class and in turn generate economic growth and prosperity. Each year that goes by, it becomes even harder to create new jobs in the economy.

In 1995, a book was published "The End of Work" by Jeremy Rifkin, which described in detail the current and future trends in the job market. I recommend reading that book to anyone who wants to understand the potential catastrophic job market of the future.

I will quote the following from Jeremy Rifkin's mind-opening book. He wrote in the introduction: "Global unemployment has now reached its highest level since the great depression of the 1930's. More than 800 million human beings are now unemployed or underemployed in the world. That figure is likely to rise sharply between now and the turn of the century as millions of new entrants into the workforce find themselves without jobs, many victims of a technology revolution that is fast replacing human beings with machines in virtually every sector and industry of the global economy.

...In the past, when new technologies have replaced workers in a given sector, new sectors have always emerged to absorb the displaced laborers. Today, all three of the traditional sectors of the economy—agriculture, manufacturing, and services—are experiencing technological displacement, forcing millions onto the unemployment rolls. The only new sector emerging is the knowledge sector, made up of a small elite of entrepreneurs, scientists, technicians, computer programmers, professional educators and consultants. While this sector is growing, it is not expected to absorb more than a fraction of the hundreds of millions who will be eliminated in the next several decades in the wake of revolutionary advances in the information and communications sciences.

...Now, for the first time, human labor is being systematically eliminated from the production process. ...Substituting software for employees...To begin with, more than 75 percent of the labor force in most industrial nations engage in work that is little more than simple repetitive tasks. Automated machinery, robots, and increasingly sophisticated computers can perform many if not most of these jobs. In the United States alone, that means that in the years ahead more than 90 million jobs in the labor force of 124 million are potentially vulnerable to replacement by machines. With current surveys showing that less than 5 percent of companies around the world have even begun to make the transition to the new machine culture, massive unemployment of the kind never before experienced seems all but inevitable in the coming decades.

...A study was published in 1989 by the International Metalworkers Federation in Geneva forecasting that within thirty years (by the year 2019), as little as 2 percent of the world's current labor force will be needed to produce all the goods necessary for total demand." I want to remind you that it is 2 percent of today's world labor force and not 2 percent of the world labor force in 2019, which could have many more millions of people.”

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More - reality of the global job market.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
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Shelly,

Here is the reality of the global job market.

Quoting from an article published by The Wall Street Journal in October of 2003.

Factory Employment Is Falling World-Wide Study of 20 Big Economies Finds 22 Million Jobs Lost; Even China Shows Decline
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL - October 20, 2003
By JON E. HILSENRATH and REBECCA BUCKMAN

The U.S. manufacturing sector has gone through 38 grueling months of declining employment, but a new report shows that factory-job woes aren't just an American problem. From Brazil to Russia and yes, even to China, manufacturing jobs are disappearing around the globe.

Economists at Alliance Capital Management LP in New York looked at employment trends in 20 large economies and found that from 1995 to 2002, more than 22 million jobs in the manufacturing sector were eliminated, a decline of more than 11%.

Contrary to conventional U.S. beliefs, the research found that American manufacturing workers weren't the biggest losers. The U.S. lost about two million manufacturing jobs in the 1995-2002 period, an 11% drop. But Brazil had a 20% decline. Japan's factory work force shed 16% of its jobs, while China's was down 15%....

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Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
You said: “Sao Paulo is seeing this surge of migrants from rural to the city-obviously, violence will result, we are already seen this phenomena in Sao Paulo.”

What do you mean will result in violence?

Sao Paulo became a violent city more than a decade ago. Every day the crime crisis is increasing and it is getting worse and worse, because the criminal gangs are completely out of control.

It’s terrible, and my family and friends, every night, they are glad when the members of their families get home safe - without being robed or worse during the day.

It’s a major crisis. And something drastic has to be done very soon to correct this situation.

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Reply to e harmony
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
You said: “There seems to have been a time when armed gangs of the Brazilian favelas did not terrorize the Brazilian people with the level of extraordinary violence that they do today. And let's be honest, the gangs of Rio de Janeiro; Sao Paulo; and Brazil in general are among the most violent and vicious on earth.”


You hit the nail right on the head!!!!!!

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Reply to e harmony
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
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You said: “There were aspects of virtue to the civilizations of the Northern European Middle Ages and there were and are aspects of virtue to the primitive Amerindian and African tribal societies.”


The African people used to move freely around their continent until Europeans landed in Africa and created all kinds of borders that had nothing to do with their native tribal arrangements and in no time they made a mess of that entire continent.

You might enjoy reading an article that I wrote a few years ago:

June 2003 – “Brazil and the Angolan Connection”

http://www.brazzillog.com/2003...3jun03.htm


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Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
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You said: “And the Chinese economy is based on the world of illusion.”


Sure it is that is why when you walk into any Wall Mart store in the United States 90 percent of everything that they sell on their store comes from China.

Everything that Americans buy on any Wall Mart stores it is just an illusion.

All the manufacturing jobs that have been moving to China from every place on earth in the last few years also are just an illusion.

But there is one thing that is not an illusion – Americans can find a job at a Wall Mart making $ 7 bucks an hour with no benefits. That’s a reality.

You also said: “According to industry figures, 300,000 people a day opened brokerage accounts in China last week. According to Chinese government sources, the recent boom has meant that the value of shares on the stock market, at £1.1 trillion, now exceeds the value of deposits in China's banks.”

First, stock market gambling can be unrelated to the reality of the real economy. Just look to the stock market in the United States the more bad news there’s the further the market moves up. It is like being in La La Land.

Second, many years ago I worked on a major project related to gambling and at that time I had to study everything possible about all forms of gambling – and I found out that the 2 horse racetracks that they have in Hong Kong generates more bets on an annual basis than all the combined racetracks in the United States. The Chinese loves gambling more than anybody else.

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written by bo, October 17, 2007
Second, many years ago I worked on a major project related to gambling and at that time I had to study everything possible about all forms of gambling – and I found out that the 2 horse racetracks that they have in Hong Kong generates more bets on an annual basis than all the combined racetracks in the United States. The Chinese loves gambling more than anybody else.


Ricardo, now I'm going to call "bulls**t" right now...ok? And, listen up. I've been involved in the gambling industry since I've been SIX years old....that's right, SIX. That's over 35 years my man. And, I'm involved in offshore gambling. Gamblers in Europe, Asia, and North America. Have worked with offshore casinos in Europe, Latin America, the Carribean, Europe, and Asia. Since offshore-online gambling has been in existance, which is approximately 15 years now, the entire industry accounts for approximately 15 BILLION dollars anually.....Do you know which country accounts for HALF of these revenues???

THE UNITED STATES!

If you want to talk about gambling, legal, illegal, offshore or otherwise, internet or land based. Buddy, you can't tell me one thing. Matter of fact, I'm the person to ask. You want to find people that like to gamble?? Go no further than looking out your window!! You did say you were in New York didn't you??

For the love of christ, you must be unaware of what's going on in front of your very eyes.
Ricardo: The Chinese economy is an artificail construction. It does not support itself. It is purposely being subsidized as an alternative to military confrontation.
written by aes, October 17, 2007
And if the U.S. decided that it would no longer import Chinese goods because China subsidized its prices through manipulation of its currency constituting subsidiy. Or if the U.S. entered such a recession that the purchase of Chinese goods decreased by 20 or 30%. The Chinese economy would falter and collapse into itself. The Chinese economy exists as an alternative to militarism. Its creation by the West was a way of containing the consequences of the military threat of China. The theory goes that if you could create a China with private property it would have something to lose and would take a different tack to militerism. The Chinese were allowed to steal space technology, and were not punished after they did. The Chinese as a government are arrogant and self serving. Maoism is alive and well in the world and we have helped China develope the rope factories that they are going to hang us with.
AES
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
I spent 4 months on a canal boat in the red light district in Amsterdam in '73 selling emeralds and buying and selling cars.


This is called "Doing Business with Pleasure". Thanks for sharing with us the secrets of your hidden past. smilies/grin.gif
Reply to AES
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
Based on your comments that you just posted I assume that you did not read my article published on March 2007 - otherwise you would have a better understanding of what is happening in China.

On March 2, 2007 Brazzil Magazine published my latest article “Here Is Why Brazil Should Adopt the New Asian Currency” - you can read it on the following web site:

http://www.brazzil.com/content...llComments


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That's a fact
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
In 1997 I sent a proposal to a number of companies here in the United States including Trump Hotel & Casinos, the Meadowlands Racetrack in NJ, Churchill Downs, and so on.

My brother-in-law was the president of Jockey Club in Sao Paulo, Brazil and we were studying the possibility of sending a simulcast signal of the races at Jockey Club in Sao Paulo to be distributed into the simulcast system in the United States.

I spent one year working on that project and I learned everything involved on that business including the uplifting of the signal to the satellites and how to connect with the US satellites for US market distribution, plus the network used for betting on the races.

And in 1997 the two racetracks that were operating in Hong Kong had more wagering in an annual basis than all the combined US racetracks.

That’s a fact.

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Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
You said: “Sao Paulo is seeing this surge of migrants from rural to the city-obviously, violence will result, we are already seen this phenomena in Sao Paulo.”

What do you mean will result in violence?


What is Sao Paulo doing to accommodate the thousands of people arriving every day? Are there jobs, schools, health service, housing for all this people. I guess you are denying the the social conditions CAN create violence. IT doesn't mean IT WILL, but to say that ARNIE is somewhat responsible for the violence surge in Rio and in Sao Paulo is ludicrous.
Now wait one second...
written by bo, October 17, 2007
and I found out that the 2 horse racetracks that they have in Hong Kong generates MORE BETS on an annual basis than all the combined racetracks in the United States.



Now, the last statement...

And in 1997 the two racetracks that were operating in Hong Kong had MORE WAGERINGin an annual basis than all the combined US racetracks.


You have said NOTHING about the dollar volume!! There are 2 BILLION chinese, naturally they SHOULD have a higher overall number of wagers....but dollar volume??? Nope!!

They more than likely are taking millions of little wagers, 50 cents, one dollar, etc, etc. China is VERY small in terms of overall dollar volume and revenue in world wide gambling. Believe me when I say this, I'm in the industry and can point you in the direction of a dozen or more owners of huge offshore and brick and mortar operations.

There is not another country on the face of the planet that even comes close to gambling revenue than the United States. It is everyone's target market....just like most products/services.

Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
The Chinese as a government are arrogant and self serving. Maoism is alive and well in the world and we have helped China develope the rope factories that they are going to hang us with.


Have you read the book "The Bear and the Dragon" written by Tom Clancey?
Reply to Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
You said: “I guess you are denying the the social conditions CAN create violence. IT doesn't mean IT WILL, but to say that ARNIE is somewhat responsible for the violence surge in Rio and in Sao Paulo is ludicrous.”


The study that I mentioned to you was done in Rio de Janeiro – the professors who did the study went to all the stores that rented videos in Rio de Janeiro that were close to the favelas in the hills around Rio de Janeiro. They checked the record of a few years worth of information and 90 percent of the videos that had been rented by the people who lived on the favelas were the Rumbo type of movies – very violent movie that the hero blows up everything in sight.

When an entire population is watching on a regular basis very violent movies over and over again – eventually that group of people becomes desensitized towards violence.

That was part of the reason that helped increase the violence level in Rio de Janeiro over a period of time.

In Sao Paulo probably happened the same thing, but as far as I know there is no study on the subject regarding Sao Paulo.


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I give you another example not related to Brazil.

Here in the United States just about everyone of these kids that went to school to kill a bunch of people – they had something in common they spent a lot of time playing these very violent video games on their computer systems or on the net.

Over a period of time they also became desensitized towards violence.

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written by bo, October 17, 2007
They checked the record of a few years worth of information and 90 percent of the videos that had been rented by the people who lived on the favelas were the "Rumbo" type of movies




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written by bo, October 17, 2007
They checked the record of a few years worth of information and 90 percent of the videos that had been rented by the people who lived on the favelas were the "Rumbo" type of movies








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Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 17, 2007
They checked the record of a few years worth of information and 90 percent of the videos that had been rented by the people who lived on the favelas were the Rumbo type of movies – very violent movie that the hero blows up everything in sight.

People that have already an inclination for violence, will kill, rape, steal. Not everyone that sees violent movies will kill, rape or steal. I believe and that is my opinion based on reading on this problem and being from Rio de Janeiro, that the violence in Rio has more to do with economic opportunities and the drug dealers that have controlled the city. My sister used to have a boyfriend, who was a federal agent in Brazil, he went several times to the complexo do Alemao and other favelas-the drug czars ARE causing the violence, not the everyday person.

We can find an excuse for the situation in pretty much on everything, from the movement of Mars to the dog that takes a s**t on my yard. The best think for us to do is to stop pointing fingers and act, but act fast, if you go to Rio today you will see that maybe the situation is irreversible.
Shelly
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
By the way, playing violent video games on your computer system it’s worse than just watch a violent movie on a movie theater or on TV.

When you are playing these video games on your computer you are actually doing the actual killing yourself. And some of the new video games let you put a picture of someone that you hate on the targets that you are going to try to kill.

And that is what they found in the computer system of some of the kids that went over the edge and went to school to kill people that they knew.

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Not everyone that sees violent movies will kill, rape or steal.
written by aes, October 17, 2007
Not everyone that sees violent movies will kill, rape or steal.

But it is kind of like advertising. You show the product to enough people and you will influence them. If it were not so there would be no advertising. To believe that there is no relationship between what you see and what you do is scientifically naive. Monkey see monkey do. You get a percentage. 3% of 10,000,000 is a lot of 'natural born killers'.
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written by e harmony, October 17, 2007
Just a few points:

a) I am for an increase in material consumption, nutritional and otherwise, for the vast majority of people around the world. As my own personal belief and frame of reference is more along an American model (Chicago verse the rural Delta of the Mississipi), than it is in say glamorization of the pseudo-communist model of the primitive Amazonian Amerindians. Having, said that, I'm not sure the entire consumption model of the U.S. is an entirely healthy or practical model for the world. President Lula's (a man I admire for his union background and incredible rise from abject poverty) model of aid to poor Brazilian families is more predicated upon the spirit of material sharing found amongst the Amazonian Amerindians than it is upon pre-FDR United States capitalism (which the United States has been moving back toward since the Regan era).

Putting more people in the workforce in Sao Paulo or Brazil at large is a goal I fully support - especially if it is connected to decent wages. However, we must understand that more jobs and more *consumers* equals more toll placed upon the environment. To place less toll on the environment global consumption must decrease and the world must move toward the Amazonian Amerindian model more than the model of the United States. In other words, there has to be a price paid in either direction the world moves towards.

b) Personally, I think *music* has a stronger emotional effect on peoples hearts, and has greater impact on their minds, than video games. I also think stigma from low social status, as well as hunger, as well as feeling a constant threat of violence, has more impact on people than video games. Films are kind of like music, and we know this from Nazi and U.S. Government involment into the art of propoganda done during WWII (and up into this day - probably more so than ever before).

c) It is often overlooked that the U.S. built it's famed middle-class off of a largely poorly educated society. I don't believe any of my grandparents had high school diplomas - maybe save for my German grandmother. My German grandfather never even finished grade school, yet he had a job that could off of his single pay check purchase a home and support a family of something like 9 or 11 people. Today the United States is at an all time high of graduating bachelor degree students. That amazing high translates into a meager 30% of the U.S. population age 25 and over having a bachelors degree or better. Yet, the buying power of wages are far worse than when grade school drop outs drove the greatest middle-class the earth had ever seen.

Point is, economics has little to do with the *morality* of "education."
E.Harmony
written by João da Silva, October 17, 2007
Putting more people in the workforce in Sao Paulo or Brazil at large is a goal I fully support - especially if it is connected to decent wages


I also fully support, provided you pump the money in from your pockets or from that of the U.S. tax payers.I aint going to put one more cent on the "Work Force" either in SP or in Brasil. They are well protected by their legally elected Governor and the President respectively and dont forget the 2,100,000 law suits the great work force file on the SMALL and Medium Sized businesses ,fully supported by the labor court and won.

I don't believe any of my grandparents had high school diplomas - maybe save for my German grandmother. My German grandfather never even finished grade school, yet he had a job that could off of his single pay check purchase a home and support a family of something like 9 or 11 people.


Ah, you are speaking of your glorious German ancestors in U.S.! Unfortunately, this would not play well with the ancestors of my wife whose family came from Solingen about 140 years ago. I had to help out her parents in their last days to have their own home.

E.Harmony, it is very easy to sit in the good ole U.S of A and give suggestions as what the Brasilians should do to improve their lives.The reality is quite different and you should spend some quality time in Maranhão and Amapa to find the difference between the Rural South of your country and the North East of ours. Make sure you bring in lots of money, because our currency right now is highly valuable and the "Commoners" in the North East dont know the difference between Real and any foreign currency. btw, you dont have to worry about the transport in that part of the country and the system of transport does not use fossil fuels nor Ethanol.
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written by e harmony, October 17, 2007
written by João da Silva, 2007-10-17 15:17:31

Putting more people in the workforce in Sao Paulo or Brazil at large is a goal I fully support - especially if it is connected to decent wages


I also fully support, provided you pump the money in from your pockets or from that of the U.S. tax payers.I aint going to put one more cent on the "Work Force" either in SP or in Brasil. They are well protected by their legally elected Governor and the President respectively and dont forget the 2,100,000 law suits the great work force file on the SMALL and Medium Sized businesses ,fully supported by the labor court and won.


I don't believe any of my grandparents had high school diplomas - maybe save for my German grandmother. My German grandfather never even finished grade school, yet he had a job that could off of his single pay check purchase a home and support a family of something like 9 or 11 people.


Ah, you are speaking of your glorious German ancestors in U.S.! Unfortunately, this would not play well with the ancestors of my wife whose family came from Solingen about 140 years ago. I had to help out her parents in their last days to have their own home.

E.Harmony, it is very easy to sit in the good ole U.S of A and give suggestions as what the Brasilians should do to improve their lives.The reality is quite different and you should spend some quality time in Maranhão and Amapa to find the difference between the Rural South of your country and the North East of ours. Make sure you bring in lots of money, because our currency right now is highly valuable and the "Commoners" in the North East dont know the difference between Real and any foreign currency. btw, you dont have to worry about the transport in that part of the country and the system of transport does not use fossil fuels nor Ethanol.


My German-American ancestors were no more glorious than my Black-American ancestors.

My points A through C gave little to no directives as to how Brazilians should improve their lives. Improvement of ones non-material life not always, but very often, has little to do with democracy or capitalism or even government legislation or monetary investment. That Brazil is a capitalist democracy certain aspects are fairly inherent (in a vague sense) in how Brazilians can increase their material way of life e.g. more people in the workforce and decent wages. That is simple and universal to all capitalist democracies.

A basic proposition of "environmental science" is that the earth could not and can not sustain the entire world if all nations on earth raised their living standards (consumption) up that of the United States. Even worse than that, my "ecological footprint" proclaims that it would take something like 4 planet earth's to meet an entire earth that had my consumption pattern. And I can almost gaurrantee you my consumption pattern is far below yours and Shelly's (note: ecological footprints counts travel and air travel), I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans.

Frankly, I don't believe the results of ecological foot prints. Most or all of the earth's humans would have to live like primitive Amazonian Amerindians in it's rough calculations it would seem, to have a sustainable global ecosystem.

I don't percieve anything I've just said here to be giving any *specific* directives to the Brazilians, nor have I suggested the Brazilian government should divert tax dollars into the finacial porfolios of the Brazilian poor. I simply stated their is a cause and effect on environmental resources to more people being placed in the workforce and consequently more consumers placed into a local or global society. I've also simply suggested or stated that I'm not against more Brazilians being placed in the Brazilian workforce and especially so if they are provided decent wages. I'm not against workers in the United States, Cambodia, Iraq, China, or Germany making decent wages either (however that is *justly* defined). I don't see the problem in that statement or sentiment.
Message to all readers
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 17, 2007
Today the price of a barrel of oil reached the $ 89 per barrel level on world markets and in the near future they are going to test the $ 100 per barrel of oil price.

Many Brazilians can’t appreciate how well of they are because Brazil uses so much ethanol as a source of energy for their cars. They think things are really bad and the price of ethanol is very high.

But the truth is Brazil and the Brazilian people would be in much worse shape if Brazil is importing 40 percent of its oil needs as Brazil used to do just a decade ago.

As the oil price approaches the $ 100 per barrel level that would have been a major disaster for the entire Brazilian economy. But because today Brazil is energy independent the effects of high price of oil is not going to affect the Brazilian economy as it will affect the economy of other countries.

That’s a competitive advantage for Brazil.

During this entire discussion I noticed the negative mindset of a lot people about everything related to Brazil.

All these negative people remind me of the following:

When you take a young elephant to be part of a Circus when the elephant is a baby they place a chain in one of his legs and the elephant learns and it is conditioned to respond to the chain that they placed on his legs.

But when the elephant grows up and becomes very powerful he still respond to that chain in the same way as when he was a baby elephant. And he does not realize that now he is a very powerful animal and he could get rid of the chains in a second.

Many Brazilians it seems to me they have been conditioned to a state of hopelessness and negativity about the future of Brazil.

What most Brazilians need is a change of mindset and they should realize that we can change the future and with all the tools that we have available today it is not an impossible task. Change happen one step at the time one person at the time, but together we can change that country on the dime.

I am pissed as hell about what is happening in Brazil and together we can change the country for the better.

I know people from the Brazilian government read the articles being posted on Brazil magazine that’s why when Brazzil magazine published my article about Brazil and Saudi Arabia in the same day the Brazilian government posted a copy of my article on the web site of the State department in Brazil.

The message is very clear for the Brazilian government: It’s time for the Brazilian government to put its house in order and bring the crime problem under control in Brazil

The Brazilian people are fed up with the crime crisis in Brazil.

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Ricardo: "I am pissed as hell about what is happening in Brazil and together we can change the country for the better." Yeh how? And if you dont know who does?
written by aes, October 18, 2007
Ricardo is " pissed as hell about what is happening in Brazil and together we can change the country for the better." Yeh how Ricardo? Give some concrete examples. How do you get the courts to prosecute? How do you eliminate the graft and corruption so pervasive in government? What are the mechanisms of this change? It is self evident that the Brazil of what might be is being subverted by an entrenched, insidious, political gangsterism.
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written by bo, October 18, 2007
What most Brazilians need is a change of mindset and they should realize that we can change the future and with all the tools that we have available today it is not an impossible task. Change happen one step at the time one person at the time, but together we can change that country on the dime.



I agree with you 100% pertaining to your statement about Brazilians needing a change of mindset. But what an incredible task that is!! Brazilians need to learn that THEY are in charge of their own destiny, and stop pointing fingers at everyone else besides themselves when things go wrong or are wrong. Brazilians need to come together and let the politicians know that they are responsible to the people, not the other way around.

But Ricardo, that simply isn`t going to happen overnight. Matter of fact, unfortunately for me, and my daughter, I bet it will never happen in my lifetime. And there will never be quick, significant change in this country without bloodshed. Key words being "quick" and "significant". Whoever thinks I`m wrong about that last statement simply has no idea.
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written by bo, October 18, 2007
E.Harmony, it is very easy to sit in the good ole U.S of A and give suggestions as what the Brasilians should do to improve their lives.The reality is quite different and you should spend some quality time in Maranhão and Amapa to find the difference between the Rural South of your country and the North East of ours.



Are you kidding João? She's never even been to Brazil.
Bo
written by João da Silva, October 18, 2007
Are you kidding João? She's never even been to Brazil.


I know it Bo. Since we are all (including your good self) are hospitable people, I invited her/him to spend some QUALITY time in Amapa and Maranhão. I forgot to include Ilha de Marajo, where he can ride the buffalos and help to prevent the Amazon from becoming the producer of Ethanol as well as coming with a "New System of Public Transport". After all, Harmony uses the public transport in U.S to travel. It opens up a wide variety of opportunities smilies/wink.gif
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written by e harmony, October 18, 2007
Bo
written by João da Silva, 2007-10-17 20:28:22

Are you kidding João? She's never even been to Brazil.



I know it Bo. Since we are all (including your good self) are hospitable people, I invited her/him to spend some QUALITY time in Amapa and Maranhão. I forgot to include Ilha de Marajo, where he can ride the buffalos and help to prevent the Amazon from becoming the producer of Ethanol as well as coming with a "New System of Public Transport". After all, Harmony uses the public transport in U.S to travel. It opens up a wide variety of opportunities


Photographic technology, television, and especially the internet have helped to shrink the world and spread information. In the 1600's people did not have access to such sources of information and outside of written records they would have had to have traveled to a specific place to actually gain any information about a people. Today that no longer is so. A Canadian or Frenchman does not need to travel to Chicago or New York to obtain some cognitive comprehension of those cities infrastructures. Of course to gain, and appreciate, the nuances and details of a city, society, or nation one would have to not just travel to but spend some time and actually immerse themselves in the culture of the people.

Up until either WWI or WWII the majority of Americans (USA) lives revolved around a 50 mile radius. Within that 50 mile radius they grew up, went to school, got employed, went to church, married, died and were buried in a local cemetery. What they knew of Japanese or Mexicans were only what stereotyped images they were given - same thing with any ethnicity even in the country that they didn't live around.

Today it is much different for Americans (USA), nonetheless, most never travel outside the nation and you can find many that have never even left their neighborhood let alone their city or state. I've been to a number of states and cities in the United States but I haven't been to most. I've never been to Mississippi even though the black side of my family hails originally from there (U.S. wise) but I don't think I have to walk and live in every section of the United States to have a basic understanding of the United States. I've never been to Alabama or L.A. but I've been to Dubai and Bahrain in the Middle East. I bet many Americans (USA) have never been inside North Korea or Iran but I'm sure many of them - including Bo - can lecture on the quality of life there amongst other judgments. I've been to rich a** San Diego and some poor a** parts of Virginia with cotton littering the dirt roads. I've crossed the boarder into Canada and Mexico but I've never been to Houston, Texas. I've actually done more reading on Brazil than I have on Texas history (which I have done none of), in fact I've never read a book on Houston or Dallas but I have on Bangkok and the city formerly known as Bombay. I'll probably read on Jakarta before I will on Houston or the Appalachia.

I'm not sure that someone landing foot into Brazil, to be a weekend sex tourist through Rio, some how gives them greater insight into Brazil than me. Maybe they will have it and maybe I won't, but either way one does not need to go to Brazil to see they have urban cities and that the entire country is not living like rural Botswana.

Plus, Brazil is a big country, flying into Brazil does not mean one de facto has to move to a poor rural area of Brazil. It's doubtful most tourists to Brazil like most to the U.S. travel the entire country. I suspect most Brazilians are like most Americans (USA) and never actually see (visit I mean by that) most their country. I've been to Delaware but I've never stepped foot into Seattle, so what does it all mean?

Lastly, the issues of horse drawn carts, walking, or bicycling in contrast to cars or diesel driven vehicles as form of transportation or kinetic movement, all go back to my point about how we view poverty in a condescending light having a lot - in my opinion - to do with levels of consumption and destroying the environment. George Washington could move no faster than Julius Caesar, both rode horses, and even Abraham Lincoln didn't have a Chevy or Ford pickup to drive in. So, I'm not sure to what degree an automotive culture defines a society as great? The island peoples of Sardinia have a longer life expectancy than the peoples of the United States, and as I understand it many of the people there are carrying buckets of water up and down rural hills (no running water). On the other hand the U.S. medical community warns this young (children) generation of Americans (USA) are going to leave the USA with a diabetes epidemic due to their percentages of obesity.
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written by e harmony, October 18, 2007
By the way, my professor for my class on the U.S. Federal Government, is originally from Latin America, Peru I believe, and he knows more about how the U.S. Government operates than myself or any other born and bred USA citizen in the class, young or old.
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written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
And I can almost gaurrantee you my consumption pattern is far below yours and Shelly's (note: ecological footprints counts travel and air travel), I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans.

You are presumptuous! And ignorant. Have you lived in Europe? Have you visited Brazil or any other country in Latin America? I used public transport pretty much all my life. Here in this country, if you don't live in the cities, you are stuck. Leesburg doesn't have "public transportation"per se. Yes, you can go to the mall or take the bus up to Reston to get another bus to take you to the metro. Give me a break! Also, I have 4 kids therefore my "carbon footprint" will be bigger than yours. We recycled whatever we can. You have to use a lot more public transportation, let's say another 15 years for you to equate your lifestyle to mine. Europe has THE BEST public transport and are more environmentally conscientious than you. My grandfather, never wasted anything-in the Netherlands the Dutch became masters at recycling.

"A Canadian or Frenchman does not need to travel to Chicago or New York to obtain some cognitive comprehension of those cities infrastructures."

Ahh the Utube style of travel! You can have an "idea" about a country, BUT you will never know what is like, the everyday reality ,if you don't visit. You line of thought goes hand in hand with old rules-ruled without ever visiting a country and decided on matters of state which they did not understand. Another brilliant idea!
Sardinia
written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
The island peoples of Sardinia have a longer life expectancy than the peoples of the United States, and as I understand it many of the people there are carrying buckets of water up and down rural hills (no running water).

Don't you think that maybe their diet has something to do with it? How many McDonald's do you think you can find in Italy. By the way, my sister-in-law has a house in Florence, I went there last year, and didn't see one fast food restaurant where she lives. Also, in this country food has a negative connotation.In Italy there is a positive image regarding to food consumption. How many people in America sit down to eat dinner? In most Mediterranean countries, lunch is not a big meal, however dinner is a family time, where people come together. Mother usually cooks the meal, good fish, grains, wine, olive oil which is rich in lipids.On the other hand, most Americans will opt for Dominoes,frozen meals, deep fried foods.
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written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
Ricardo, I got a question for you. Once we grow sugar cane all over the country, don't you think that the price of a loaf of bread will go up? And who is going to be able to afford it?

Eharmony: you are right to say that Brazilians don't visit most states in Brazil, I am the very few who has lived in the South, Sudeste and Brasilia. I have relatives in Bahia, Recife and Ceara.
aes
written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
Sorry I didn't get back to you. I am doing fine thanks for asking. I am really impressed with the fact that you worked in Florida with the notable Dr. Greenberg. We all make mistakes while doing research, I haven't killed anything so far, but who knows! Anyway, I am sure you will be very useful source of information and next year when I visit my folks in Rio, we must have a beer, wine or two together. As I said, my parents live in Barra and I can only go somewhere along the Zona Sul area-I don't rent a car over there for obvious reasons.
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
I am going to buy your book, any chance that I could send it to you for you to sign it?
Ricardo
written by Shelly, October 18, 2007
And... I love my country, even tough we have a lot of problems, however, I am not a romantic. You asked me if I had hope for the future and I said no. Last year I went to Rio and the only think you will see after you land is: favela, favela, favela. I don't know how the government will turn the table, but crime as you know, controls the city. Recently, a detective was arrested for giving the drug dealers information about an operation, not only did he betray the citizens of Rio, but also he put his co-workers in great danger. The solution? Give people decent salaries, our minimum is a disgrace!
Shelly
written by aes, October 18, 2007
It was Ted Bullock at UCLA that I worked for. Greenberg was a neighbor; I knew Mike socially. I reside in Leblon. You must try Altas Cumbres, an Argentinian Syrah I was introduced to yesterday. It is a delight.
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written by e harmony, October 18, 2007
written by Shelly, 2007-10-18 00:50:21
And I can almost gaurrantee you my consumption pattern is far below yours and Shelly's (note: ecological footprints counts travel and air travel), I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans.

You are presumptuous! And ignorant. Have you lived in Europe? Have you visited Brazil or any other country in Latin America? I used public transport pretty much all my life. Here in this country, if you don't live in the cities, you are stuck. Leesburg doesn't have "public transportation"per se. Yes, you can go to the mall or take the bus up to Reston to get another bus to take you to the metro. Give me a break! Also, I have 4 kids therefore my "carbon footprint" will be bigger than yours. We recycled whatever we can. You have to use a lot more public transportation, let's say another 15 years for you to equate your lifestyle to mine. Europe has THE BEST public transport and are more environmentally conscientious than you. My grandfather, never wasted anything-in the Netherlands the Dutch became masters at recycling.

"A Canadian or Frenchman does not need to travel to Chicago or New York to obtain some cognitive comprehension of those cities infrastructures."

Ahh the Utube style of travel! You can have an "idea" about a country, BUT you will never know what is like, the everyday reality ,if you don't visit. You line of thought goes hand in hand with old rules-ruled without ever visiting a country and decided on matters of state which they did not understand. Another brilliant idea!


I've already noted I've crossed the board into Canada and Mexico. I don't need to travel to Europe or to Brazil know if there middle-class consumes more than I do as basic consumption info is quite available all over due to corporate sales. I have three pair of jeans and own nothing save perhaps my boxing equipment and a few martial arts gear, books, and a few other articles of clothing, I don't even have a wireless phone - h*ll there are people in the Brazilian favelas with wireless phones. So, unless European and Latin American middle classes are wearing the same pants, underwear, and shirt everyday and only eating gruel about once a day it is fairly safe to say that on average they are greater consumers than myself.

I've been to Dubai but I could have accessed basic info about it from off the internet. The views of Dubai on youtube or elsewhere on the internet are not really any different than walking down one of it's streets. That's the amazing thing about information technology.
E.Harmony
written by João da Silva, October 18, 2007
I've already noted I've crossed the board into Canada and Mexico. I don't need to travel to Europe or to Brazil know if there middle-class consumes more than I do as basic consumption info is quite available all over due to corporate sales. I have three pair of jeans and own nothing save perhaps my boxing equipment and a few martial arts gear, books, and a few other articles of clothing, I don't even have a wireless phone


I am so glad to know that you have crossed the borders into Canada & Mexico. Should have been a thrilling experience. I am more impressed to know that you have been to Dubai also. I havent been there, but I am told that it is cheaper to buy stuff there than in Brazil.I am also overwhelmed by the fact that you just have three pairs of jeans and own nothing else. You must be leading a Gandhian style of life and I salute you it. I also hope that you wash the jeans once in a while, because if you dont, you can all sorts of skin diseases.

As for the wireless phones: Are you talking about Cell phones? If so, let me clarify that it is easy for our favelados (the ones who live in the Favelas) to buy these gadgets in dozens of monthly installments, but difficult to pay the monthly bills charged by the Cell phone operators. These nice folks also buy color TVs on installments, so that they can watch their favorite soap operas every evening. btw, I dont have any stats about the percentage of buysers who DONT pay all the installments.

You should really come down to Brazil and do some good community work.
Eharmony
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
I don't even have a wireless phone - h*ll there are people in the Brazilian favelas with wireless phones. So, unless European and Latin American middle classes are wearing the same pants, underwear, and shirt everyday and only eating gruel about once a day it is fairly safe to say that on average they are greater consumers than myself.

You really need to get a grip and a touch of REALITY. How many "middle class" Brazilians do you think there are in Brazil ? And how many poor? Before you babble something out of your textbook, if you want to comment about the Brazilian reality, I advise you to do a small research first. Since Brazil has a majority of people who cannot afford basic food for everyday living, as Joao already mentioned, cell phones aren't a priority. Maybe you are mixing up the drug dealers-they have several cell phones with the poor. Do you know how much it cost to finance a cell phone in Brazil? Again, you should look at our 12 month interest rate and see that your assumption is highly unlikely to be the reality of most people. Most poor kids are using the same shoes for over a year, not because of idealistic life style, but because of economic necessity.The Dutch, the English, and the French in general-I used to go and drive into LeMans 24 hour race every June, are frugal people. Don't forget that the environmental conservation movement BEGAN in Europe, it actually if you look into the history of the environmental movement, you will find out that it began during the Enlightenment.

Most people cycle in the Netherlands, most people use the bus in Rio/Sao Paulo and other states, most people use trains, buses, tube in England. In France it dependents whether you are in a village or close to a city, but cycling in small towns are very common. In Spain, public transportation is fantastic you can pretty much travel anywhere by taking the train. You see, you would not be able to do this here, one the geography of the country makes it difficult, two your public transportation system sucks! I lived in New York and I used to love the fact that I could take the metro/train everywhere and didn't have a car there.

I wasn't going to brag about this, but since you think that you recycle and consume less than I do, I am going to ask you a simple question. Where do you do your grocery shopping? I do mine at Whole Foods, we only buy in this household recycled toilet paper-Forest Green does a great brand, eco-friendly dishwasher powder, etc. Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy these products? I will tell you that my weekly grocery bill it is probably more than yours, the reality is that environmentally friendly products are not cheap and most Americans cannot afford paying $20 for a packet of free range, organic fed chicken.



aes
written by Shelly, October 19, 2007
I lived in Ipanema before, near "posto 9". My parents live in Barra, they are not too far from you. I will try the wine, it sounds like it is a nice one...
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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
Not until I entered the U.S. military and moved around to a few states did I realize there were significant lifestyles - or probably I should say *numbers* in those lifestyles - in the United States, as the two extremes in the rural poverty sections of Virginia and the amazingly wealthy city of San Diego were back to back limos are a common sight downtown. I'm growing fond of speaking of "frames of reference" because it is a phrase I've learned to recall upon, from my book and professors lectures, in speech class. What we our told in this class is that all messages sent to an audience or listeners are filtered through each individual listeners "frame of reference."

For me, my "frame of reference" is largely that of a Generation X (guess why we're referred to as that?) "minority" male, who came up in a mid-size city, of the collapsing strength of the one-time might industrial Midwest. Most people in my city never did and still don't have bachelor degrees. Currently my city is at a super-high of bachelor degree holders - that being an amazing 18% of adults 25 and older. According to stats my college has put out, 27% percent of the adult population of my city is "functionally illiterate" (meaning they basically have the reading comprehension of 6th graders). This happens to be the best educated my city has ever been in it's history. So, my "frame of reference" as to what constitutes "America" (USA) does not include images of most people earning Ph.D.'s or even bachelor degrees, or images of the glamor and wealth of San Diego.

I'll post an excerpt from a Yahoo news article today, related to how many (not all) Americans (USA) are living, for them I feel confident in saying, flying into Hong Kong for the weekend or going recreational fishing in the Caribbean is not something they do. However, corporate sales research (in a different article I've read) in urban Chinese metropolitans reveal that Chinese youth from age 35 on downward are such mega consumers that on average they switch to new cellphones on an average of every 6 months. China is slated to surpass the United States and Japan in 10 years to become the number one consumer of luxury items in the world.
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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
Source & Full Story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._paychecks

From Family Dollar to Wal-Mart, merchants have adjusted their product mix and pricing accordingly. Sales data show a marked and more prolonged drop in spending in the days before shoppers get their paychecks, when they buy only the barest essentials before splurging around payday.

"It's pretty pronounced," said Kiley Rawlins, a spokeswoman at Family Dollar. "It seems like to us, customers are running out of food products, paper towels sooner in the month."

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said the imbalance in spending before and after payday in July was the biggest it has ever seen, though the drop-off wasn't as steep in August.

And 7-Eleven says its grocery sales have jumped 12-13 percent over the past year, compared with only slight increases for non-necessities like gloves and toys. Shoppers can't afford to load up at the supermarket and are going to the most convenient places to buy emergency food items like milk and eggs.

"It even costs more to get the basics like soap and laundry detergent," said Michelle Grassia, who lives with her husband and three teenage children in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn, N.Y.

Her husband's check from his job at a grocery store used to last four days. "Now, it lasts only two," she said.

To make up the difference, Grassia buys one gallon of milk a week instead of three. She sometimes skips breakfast and lunch to make sure there's enough food for her children. She cooks with a hot plate because gas is too expensive. And she depends more than ever on the bags of free vegetables and powdered milk from a local food pantry.

Grassia's story is neither new nor unique. With the fastest-rising food and energy prices since the 1980s, low-income consumers are stretching their budgets by eating cheap foods like peanut butter and pasta.

Industry analysts and some economists fear the strain will get worse as people are hit with higher home heating bills this winter and mortgage rates go up.

It's bad enough already for 85-year-old Dominica Hoffman.

She gets $1,400 a month in pension and Social Security from her days in the garment industry. After paying $500 in rent on an apartment in Pennsauken, N.J., and shelling out money for food, gas and other expenses, she's broke by the end of the month. She's had to cut fruits and vegetables from her grocery order — and that's even with financial help from her children.

"Everything is up," she said.

Many consumers, particularly those making less than $30,000 a year, are cutting spending on nutritious food like milk and vegetables, and analysts fear they're further skimping on basic medical care and other critical services.



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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
Continued from above....

Source & Full Story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200..._paychecks


Coupon-clipping just isn't enough.

"The reality of hunger is right here," said the Rev. Melony Samuels, director of The BedStuy Campaign against Hunger, a church-affiliated food pantry in Brooklyn.

The pantry scrambled to feed 5,000 new families over the past 12 months, up almost 70 percent from 3,000 the year before.

"I am shocked to see such numbers," Samuels said, "and I am really concerned that this is just the beginning of what we are going to see."

In the past three months, Samuels has seen more clients in higher-paying jobs — the $35,000 range — line up for food.

The Regional Food Bank of Northeastern New York, which covers 23 counties in New York State, cited a 30 percent rise in visitors in the first nine months of this year, compared with 2006.

Maureen Schnellmann, senior director of food and nutrition programs at the American Red Cross Food Pantry in Boston, reported a 30 percent increase from January through August over last year.

Until a few months ago, Dellria Seales, a home care assistant, was just getting by living with her daughter, a hairdresser, and two grandchildren in a one-bedroom apartment for $750 a month. But a knee injury in January forced her to quit her job, leaving her at the mercy of Samuels' pantry because most of her daughter's $1,200 a month income goes to rent, energy and food costs.

"I need it. Without it, we wouldn't survive," Seales said as she picked up carrots and bananas.

John Vogel, a professor at Dartmouth College's Tuck School of Business, worries that the squeeze will lead to a less nutritious diet and inadequate medical or child care.

In the meantime, rising costs show no signs of abating.

Gas prices hit a record nationwide average of $3.23 per gallon in late May before receding a little, though prices are expected to soar again later this year. Food costs have increased 4.5 percent over the past 12 months, partly because of higher fuel costs. Egg prices were 44 percent higher, while milk was up 21.3 percent over the past 12 months to nearly $4 a gallon, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The average family of four is spending anywhere from $7 to $10 extra a week — $40 more a month — on groceries alone, compared to a year ago, according to retail consultant Burt Flickinger III.

And while overall wage growth is a solid 4.1 percent over the past 12 months, economists say the increases are mostly for the top earners.
E.Harmony
written by João da Silva, October 20, 2007
Not until I entered the U.S. military and moved around to a few states did I realize there were significant lifestyles - or probably I should say *numbers* in those lifestyles - in the United States, as the two extremes in the rural poverty sections of Virginia and the amazingly wealthy city of San Diego were back to back limos are a common sight downtown.


Did you serve in Korea, Vietnam, First Gulf war, etc;? I am very interested in knowing about your service records. How many medals did you get for the valor displayed on the battlefield?

For me "Frame of reference" is a malignant type of cancer which can be cured with controlled amount of Cachaça, introduced through IV tubes.

Man, are you for real? If the city where you are living in is the best educated one in all of U.S., you must be a genius. Lead on Mayor, to bring peace and prosperity to your Educated City.
Miserable life of Michelle Grassia in U.S of A
written by João da Silva, October 20, 2007
"It even costs more to get the basics like soap and laundry detergent," said Michelle Grassia, who lives with her husband and three teenage children in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn, N.Y.

Her husband's check from his job at a grocery store used to last four days. "Now, it lasts only two," she said.


Harmony, dont ya think that it is time for Michelle,her husband and 3 teen age kids to go back to their country of birth? The situation in U.S. seems to be scary and alarming. So what you all guys do, with the gas price so high? Enlighten all of us please.
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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
E.Harmony
written by João da Silva, 2007-10-18 18:57:15

I am so glad to know that you have crossed the borders into Canada & Mexico. Should have been a thrilling experience. I am more impressed to know that you have been to Dubai also. I havent been there, but I am told that it is cheaper to buy stuff there than in Brazil.


I visited Toronto as a child, I recall it as a nice, clean, friendly, very pedestrian respectful city, other than that it seemed just like the United States to me. Crossing the boarder into Mexico, into the very tourist marketed Tijuana, was much different. Only the strong survive in Tijuana. There is much misery and poverty there. The cab ride, however, was quite thrilling. Those f*ckers drive crazy over there, they make New Yorkers look like orthodox drivers, and let me tell ya... that is no small feet.

The only thing I hated, when ever we pulled into the ports of Dubai and Abudabi (spelling?), is that the U.S. dollar was less than their money so my cheap a** salary got even smaller after I would exchange it for their money. Dubai is an amazingly wealthy city, in my eyes it seemed to rival or maybe even surpass San Diego in wealth. They have very poor people there, but they tend to be Hindu Indians and Catholic Filipinos (though, I have recently read the Filipinos are doing very well now in the UAE and Dubai in particular). San Diego is a much more beautiful than Dubai, but Dubai is as clean as my memory of Toronto and it seemed to me to be twice as orderly and Dubai is waaaaaaaay more safe than most cities I've been to in the United States. In Dubai almost every other car I saw driven was an expensive BMW or Mercedes (they didn't seem to care for American made cars). I don't really recall Dubai being inexpensive, I remember always finding it frustrating to stretch my E-3 paycheck there.


I am also overwhelmed by the fact that you just have three pairs of jeans and own nothing else. You must be leading a Gandhian style of life and I salute you it. I also hope that you wash the jeans once in a while, because if you dont, you can all sorts of skin diseases.


Of course many Americans (USA) own more than me - though one could easily overemphasize "many" - but there are a lot of Americans just like me and I'm afraid to say there are a lot in my city much worse off than me. I wash my clothes, and I wash myself, I'm slightly (but not entirely) a cleanliness freak. As a consumer I have cologne and aftershave I also have "StaphAseptic" which I use on cuts and abrasions from boxing or martial arts - it protects against MRSA (a drug resistant Staph killing more people in the U.S. than HIV).


As for the wireless phones: Are you talking about Cell phones? If so, let me clarify that it is easy for our favelados (the ones who live in the Favelas) to buy these gadgets in dozens of monthly installments, but difficult to pay the monthly bills charged by the Cell phone operators. These nice folks also buy color TVs on installments, so that they can watch their favorite soap operas every evening. btw, I dont have any stats about the percentage of buysers who DONT pay all the installments.

You should really come down to Brazil and do some good community work.


Rent-A-Centers are very common in the U.S. amongst the poor too.

Wireless phones include cellphones. And I'm not Mother Teresa, I'm more like Jimmy Hoffa in character if any thing, and I'm not even like Hoffa really either, I'm my own animal but if anything I need "saving" from the Brazilians not the other way around. Some angelic Brazilian chick in a favela (if they exist) who may or may not be illiterate could teach me a positive and or wise thing or two I'm sure.
E.Harmony
written by João da Silva, October 20, 2007
I visited Toronto as a child, I recall it as a nice, clean, friendly, very pedestrian respectful city, other than that it seemed just like the United States to me.


Totally agree with you. No dipute whatsoever.

Crossing the boarder into Mexico, into the very tourist marketed Tijuana, was much different. Only the strong survive in Tijuana. There is much misery and poverty there. The cab ride, however, was quite thrilling. Those f*ckers drive crazy over there, they make New Yorkers look like orthodox drivers, and let me tell ya... that is no small feet.


No disagreement on this issue either.Except that your INS officers were a bit touchy about a "foreigner" returning to San Diego after spending a few hours in Tijuana.One good thing about the Mexicans in Tijuana is that they understand Portuguese and I appreciated it.

San Diego is a much more beautiful than Dubai, but Dubai is as clean as my memory of Toronto and it seemed to me to be twice as orderly and Dubai is waaaaaaaay more safe than most cities I've been to in the United States.


Absoutely, no disagreement. I have some nice friends in San Diego. It is easier to drive there and shop around.No complaints.

In Dubai almost every other car I saw driven was an expensive BMW or Mercedes (they didn't seem to care for American made cars). I don't really recall Dubai being inexpensive, I remember always finding it frustrating to stretch my E-3 paycheck there.


Dubai and the entire U.A.R are under the heavy influence of the Brits and the Americans.No worries there.
I wash my clothes, and I wash myself, I'm slightly (but not entirely) a cleanliness freak. As a consumer I have cologne and aftershave I also have "StaphAseptic" which I use on cuts and abrasions from boxing or martial arts - it protects against MRSA (a drug resistant Staph killing more people in the U.S. than HIV).


I am not a cleanliness freak either,but I take a shower everyday and change clothes. So no problem on that fron either.

Wireless phones include cellphones. And I'm not Mother Teresa, I'm more like Jimmy Hoffa in character if any thing, and I'm not even like Hoffa really either, I'm my own animal but if anything I need "saving" from the Brazilians not the other way around. Some angelic Brazilian chick in a favela (if they exist) who may or may not be illiterate could teach me a positive and or wise thing or two I'm sure.


Angelic Brazilian chick in a favela doesnt exist. So you better come down to the earth and look for some nice Brazilian LADIES.Take my advice or leave it.
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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
Eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-19 09:15:20
I don't even have a wireless phone - h*ll there are people in the Brazilian favelas with wireless phones. So, unless European and Latin American middle classes are wearing the same pants, underwear, and shirt everyday and only eating gruel about once a day it is fairly safe to say that on average they are greater consumers than myself.

You really need to get a grip and a touch of REALITY. How many "middle class" Brazilians do you think there are in Brazil ? And how many poor? Before you babble something out of your textbook, if you want to comment about the Brazilian reality, I advise you to do a small research first. Since Brazil has a majority of people who cannot afford basic food for everyday living, as Joao already mentioned, cell phones aren't a priority. Maybe you are mixing up the drug dealers-they have several cell phones with the poor. Do you know how much it cost to finance a cell phone in Brazil? Again, you should look at our 12 month interest rate and see that your assumption is highly unlikely to be the reality of most people. Most poor kids are using the same shoes for over a year, not because of idealistic life style, but because of economic necessity.The Dutch, the English, and the French in general-I used to go and drive into LeMans 24 hour race every June, are frugal people. Don't forget that the environmental conservation movement BEGAN in Europe, it actually if you look into the history of the environmental movement, you will find out that it began during the Enlightenment.


Shelly, you're the one doing the babbling. I stated I consume less than the Brazilian middle-class your rebuttal about the numerical size of the Brazilian middle-class is neither here nor there regarding my consumption in comparison to theirs. In fact your response reminds me of my numerous encounters with people that came from out of well-to-do suburbs of New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles. Immediately upon hearing I'm from the particular mid-size city I'm from they boast they hail from large, ultra-violent cities, where only the strong survive and action is 24 - 7. [smirk] Just because someone comes from a well-to-do suburb, sharing the same metropolitan with other poor and violence concentrated suburbs, or the city proper, doesn't mean they came up around thugism. Likewise, just because someone comes from Brazil or Mexico doesn't de facto mean they have descent from material or intellectual poverty. Just because someone comes from the United States doesn't mean they have descent from material or intellectual wealth let alone spiritual or moral wealth. Now, I know from countless years of interaction with Americans (USA) that large numbers of them think that just about anyone living in Latin America is illiterate and lucky to have a cup of rice... the irony of this - and you have to love irony - is that some of these people are functionally illiterate themselves, poor, and their idea of fine visual art is the Jerry Springer show and complicated literature the daily newspaper. However, I know for a fact there are finely educated people that exist in Latin America and some, if they come from well-to-do back grounds, are not a surprise if they can speak several languages. My father came up in some pretty hardcore poverty, for luxury him and his siblings within his age range, use to stir sugar into water. As a kid he went to school in the winters with a spring jacket (Midwest winters). He rarely could afford new shoes so he had to stuff cardboard into the bottom of his shoes when holes wore through them. He went hungry countless times in his youth, and his first consistent decent meals came when joined the U.S. Army. Spare me your bullsh*t as to how birthed middle-class or birthed rich Brazilians have some monopoly of knowledge on hunger or material suffering by virtue they have citizenship in Brazil.

You can find people suffering or struggling every where in the world. And even the rich or middle-classes have their own particular struggles. And if you're rich and a diabetic missing toes, or blind, or can no longer gain an erection... well h*ll money can't always buy happiness, and in such a case I'm happy to be where I'm at in life.


Continued in post below....
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written by e harmony, October 20, 2007
Eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-19 09:15:20

Most people cycle in the Netherlands, most people use the bus in Rio/Sao Paulo and other states, most people use trains, buses, tube in England. In France it dependents whether you are in a village or close to a city, but cycling in small towns are very common. In Spain, public transportation is fantastic you can pretty much travel anywhere by taking the train. You see, you would not be able to do this here, one the geography of the country makes it difficult, two your public transportation system sucks! I lived in New York and I used to love the fact that I could take the metro/train everywhere and didn't have a car there.

I wasn't going to brag about this, but since you think that you recycle and consume less than I do, I am going to ask you a simple question. Where do you do your grocery shopping? I do mine at Whole Foods, we only buy in this household recycled toilet paper-Forest Green does a great brand, eco-friendly dishwasher powder, etc. Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy these products? I will tell you that my weekly grocery bill it is probably more than yours, the reality is that environmentally friendly products are not cheap and most Americans cannot afford paying $20 for a packet of free range, organic fed chicken.


Shelly, I'm sure you recycle and in abundance, and that is a noble thing, just like all your years spent pursuing a "proper" education as it is called. You're work to help make the earth a more healthy and sustainable place is also noble thing. But you are far off on understanding me, I recycle but I honestly recycle little I'm certainly not a poster child for recycling, other things I prefer not to get into about myself. I will tell you that I live not unlike to many young men of my rough age group and racial category within my city or even my neighborhood - most black, male, Baby Boomers have done markedly better than the young black males of my generation (at least in my city). I have more than one friend doing 30 or better years in prison for homicide or attempted homicide and just recently found out a few days ago that another childhood friend just got sentenced, I don't know how much, but I heard he was facing 10 to 20 years, but understand he already had several felonies behind him including at least one on the same charge. With every race and both genders combined, my city (@ least 500,000 in pop. size) only has 18% of it's population age 25 and older holding a bachelors degree or better. When you get down to certain racial categories it is even more meager, then if you break it down to black males specifically in the city, it is even more meager than that. So, when I obtain a bachelors degree, it will be fantastically un-American (USA) for my cities culture (or even for the U.S. as a whole, since 70% of Americans 25 and older don't have a bachelors or better), but it will not mean I will then earn an attractive salary or even be attractive to employers, but it will mean I will satisfy a very untrue image that many Americans (USA) and non-American perpetuate about the United States.
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 20, 2007
Shelly, I'm sure you recycle and in abundance, and that is a noble thing, just like all your years spent pursuing a "proper" education as it is called. You're work to help make the earth a more healthy and sustainable place is also noble thing. But you are far off on understanding me, I recycle but I honestly recycle little I'm certainly not a poster child for recycling, other things I prefer not to get into about myself.

You said:And I can almost gaurrantee you my consumption pattern is far below yours and Shelly's (note: ecological footprints counts travel and air travel), I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans.

This sort of comment made me point out to you that you cannot make this sort of assumption. I commend you for trying to be more conservative, but as I mentioned to you, I have lived in Europe and South America, countries well know for their excellent public transportation system.

Your comment: I stated I consume less than the Brazilian middle-class your rebuttal about the numerical size of the Brazilian middle-class is neither here nor there regarding my consumption in comparison to theirs.

I believe your comparison is wrong. Your life is different from the lives of the people in Brazil, even tough you are considering the middle-class Brazilian. You mentioned Latin America, not Brazil, " I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans. " I am sure you are aware of the size of the continent, and you are comparing yourself with the lives of thousands of people. Also, I will take my sister's life and compare with what you have said. I think you two are about the same age, anyway, she also takes the public transportation to go to her university. Traffic is horrible and it takes longer to drive than to take the bus or metro. She lives with my parents, therefore she doesn't spend a lot of money or resources. People in Brazil, even the middle class will not spend as much as the average American, you can look at the numbers on the net, and you will find out that individually, Americans have greater purchase power when comparing to the average Brazilian, thus consuming more. It is a well known phenomena that our society ( I live here) IS the "throw-away" one. The level of "disposables" here even reflects on the interpersonal relationships. Have you heard of the term "serial-monogamy"? Only used in the US. I have never seen a person belonging to the middle class in Brazil waste as much as Americans. I can give an opinion because I have lived in both countries. Unless you visit and deal with a family there, you won't be able to make this assumption.
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written by e harmony, October 21, 2007
eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-20 14:23:59

Your comment: I stated I consume less than the Brazilian middle-class your rebuttal about the numerical size of the Brazilian middle-class is neither here nor there regarding my consumption in comparison to theirs.

I believe your comparison is wrong. Your life is different from the lives of the people in Brazil, even tough you are considering the middle-class Brazilian. You mentioned Latin America, not Brazil, " I utilize public transportation and have a consumption level below most Europeans and probably middle-class Latin Americans. " I am sure you are aware of the size of the continent, and you are comparing yourself with the lives of thousands of people. Also, I will take my sister's life and compare with what you have said. I think you two are about the same age, anyway, she also takes the public transportation to go to her university. Traffic is horrible and it takes longer to drive than to take the bus or metro. She lives with my parents, therefore she doesn't spend a lot of money or resources. People in Brazil, even the middle class will not spend as much as the average American, you can look at the numbers on the net, and you will find out that individually, Americans have greater purchase power when comparing to the average Brazilian, thus consuming more. It is a well known phenomena that our society ( I live here) IS the "throw-away" one. The level of "disposables" here even reflects on the interpersonal relationships. Have you heard of the term "serial-monogamy"? Only used in the US. I have never seen a person belonging to the middle class in Brazil waste as much as Americans. I can give an opinion because I have lived in both countries. Unless you visit and deal with a family there, you won't be able to make this assumption.


You're right my life is different than Brazilian middle-class, they own more sh*t than me. And you are correct, I stated Latin American middle-class and not just Brazilian middle class.

In at least one (probably more than one) earlier post I noted that the Black-American community is in general a high consumer category of people, I stated that in a reflective question I raised, or pondering I had, as to what the true nature of poverty to violence link really is, at least as a simple causative force (note: I have no definitive conclusion).

But with life being as multilayered and complicated as it is, even the true gradient of the socio-economic scale as it concerns each individual Black-American's participation as a consumer in the U.S. market is not so simple as being a 1 or 2 bedroom renter, with ownership of microwave, video games, and frequent buyer of name brand sneakers - graduating up the scale to professionals in law, medicine, and software engineers who live in posh residences and travel when and where they will. There are many 20 to 40 year old Black-Americans who own nada save for a few articles of clothing and their level of consumerism is pretty meager.

Now, I'm not attempting to suggest there are not other races of poor in the U.S., but I know what is pretty pronounced in a particular demographic concerning my own category range of race, age, and sex.

With regard to what I placed of yours in underlined, what you are doing is arguing cultural attributes, social norms, or values as they differ between the United States and Latin American nations or the United States verse Brazil. I have no objection to the proposition that the United States is the worlds largest consumers and consumes an amazingly unequal share of the earth's resources. But I was not talking about the large nation state of the United States in contrast to Latin American an European middle-class, I was talking about me. Two different things.

My proposition was logical because it was based off my personal knowledge of myself and modern global consumerism (again, we have more overweight people on earth now than skinny - that includes obesity in Mexico, Brazil, Europe and elsewhere minus most of the African continent [that's not to say most Brazilians or Latin Americans are obese, but the medical problem has spread to those regions]) and as it relates to ascribed characteristics (demographics) but more importantly and most especially to achieved characteristics (socio-economics). Achieved characteristics are individual accomplishments or characteristics and can not be defined to an entire demographic of people or to an entire nation state. Achieved characteristics are such things as: Income; Educational Level; Marital Status; Place of Residence; Job Status; Type of Work.

Just because there are Americans (USA) that are married doesn't mean I am. Just because my uncle is building a house doesn't mean I own a house. Et cetera, et cetera.
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 21, 2007
1)You're right my life is different than Brazilian middle-class, they own more sh*t than me

Have you been there? Again, you are making assumptions, it is up to you if you want to live "Gandhi" style, if people own cell phones or a TV it doesn't make them materialists. Generally speaking, from my experience, Brazilians will keep what they have until it breaks. It costs a lot of money to buy electronic products and with the interest rates as high as 12%, it is highly unlikely that people in Brazil are wasters.

2)But I was not talking about the large nation state of the United States in contrast to Latin American an European middle-class, I was talking about me. Two different things.

Yes you were talking about you, and comparing YOUR life style with a HUGE CONTINENT. Kind of a stupid comparison, don't you think? And overrated.

3)In at least one (probably more than one) earlier post I noted that the Black-American community is in general a high consumer category of people, I stated that in a reflective question I raised, or pondering I had, as to what the true nature of poverty to violence link really is, at least as a simple causative force (note: I have no definitive conclusion).

It is good that you are trying to understand the underpinning of poverty, maybe if more people were able to understand it, they would ACT. I am not suggesting anything, do whatever you conscious tells you. The nature of violence and poverty in the States and Brazil are somewhat similar. However, in Brazil it is a whole different ball game, we have many elements to consider. The Brazilian political system and society in general, has nuances that are difficult for a foreigner to fully grasp. Some of our friends here understand what makes our society tick a certain way, because they live or have lived in Brasil. Bo, AES can give you an American perspective on the issue. I can definitely say that not all poor people are violent, and that not all violence derives from poor people. Having said that, I can give you a glimpses of how the violence dictates our daily (not mine as I live here, but when I visit my country this also applies to my daily activities) life. The US isn't paradise, utopia doesn't really exist, but I can say that a black person has a lot more chances in this country than in mine. My country denies education to millions of kids, there are countless children working at the stop-sign in Rio ( AES, please tell her how it is in Rio), slums are increasing at an alarming rate. We have children working on sugar cane fields, and the problems just goes on and on.
Being poor in any country is difficult, but I bet my money that being in poor in Brazil is far, far worse than here. Bolsa familia and other so called social programs does nothing to break the cycle of poverty in Brazil.
Tijuana
written by Shelly, October 21, 2007
Eharmony, I have seen a documentary about the Maquiladoras in Tijuana. Take a look, I think you will like it. I am not sure if they have an English version, it is in Spanish, but I think you will get it. I had the pleasure to meet the director, Vicky Funari, and became involved with the project. I have met Carmen, she still alive, but suffers from several illnesses.
http://www.maquilapolis.com/project_eng.htm
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written by e harmony, October 21, 2007
eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-21 00:02:45
1)You're right my life is different than Brazilian middle-class, they own more sh*t than me

Have you been there? Again, you are making assumptions, it is up to you if you want to live "Gandhi" style, if people own cell phones or a TV it doesn't make them materialists. Generally speaking, from my experience, Brazilians will keep what they have until it breaks. It costs a lot of money to buy electronic products and with the interest rates as high as 12%, it is highly unlikely that people in Brazil are wasters.


I don't have to go to Brazil to grasp what achieved characteristic are. By and large they are the same through out the world be they in Dubai, Mexico, Brazil or the United States. What differs with the categories of "middle-class" (fulling achieved characteristics) between those countries or any countries, is the level of material lifestyle (and other variables I'm sure) between them. But one can not be homeless in the United States or in Dubai and constitute the achieved characteristics of middle-class in Brazil or Mexico. So, the difference comes in U.S. middle-class lifestyle or greater consumerism in comparison to Brazilian middle-class.

I mean one does not have to go to Brazil to know Brazil is the second largest consumer of cocaine in the world behind the United States. One does not have to go to Brazil to pretty much reckon Rio de Janeiro has more people spending money on breast implants (per capita) than Cleveland, Ohio. And one does not need to go to Brazil to know that anyone who has achieved Brazilian middle-class status has had to meet a certain number of material and consumerist variables.

You are throwing a lot of emotive language in here like referring to my material level as "Gandhi" style. First and foremost my materialism is above that of Gandhi's when he went on his holy crusade. My materialism is above any number of Buddhist, Hindu, or Christian monks. My material consumption and lifestyle is above any rural Ethiopian engaged in subsistence farming. My materialism is above any blind and begging Mexican on a Tijuana street or one of the families there struggling in abject poverty. I'm blessed (me personally, not me as an "American" or "Greek" or an "Iranian" or "Brazilian") a hundred fold that I'm not one of the homeless kids in Rio. How the h*ll some people make it in this world I will never know.

But it still remains the middle-class in Latin America consumes more than me, they would have to to be middle-class, at least generally speaking.

With regards to what you claim does not imply being materialistic, I may agree or may disagree, it all depends on the context in which one wants to use that word. There is nothing wrong with having a cellphone or any other piece of technology one wants. In fact cellphones can be a very practical thing to own. Many poor people in Latin America have taken to using cellphones - my source on this is from an economist and author who not only specializes on Latin America but has lived throughout Latin America, and supposedly advises a number of gringo companies that do business in Latin America. I read the book a year or more ago but I can dig up the source if you want, but I'll have to dig through some paper work. Anyways, my point is I have no problem with material items, I could have a cellphone if I wanted one, I've just decided not to own one at this point and time. This has nothing to do with being "Gandhi."

Are Brazilians - cultural wise or as social values go - materialistic? H*ll, I don't know. I'll leave that one for the sociologists. It could be no Brazilians are per se, or it could be only a small minority are, or perhaps placed against the world *averages* (and not just high income nations like Japan and the U.S.) the cultural traits or social values of mainstream Brazilian society might be more materialistic or vain than many or most societies in the world? In general Americans (USA) might tend to regard Brazilians as extremely vain people. But how much of that is just to do with an Americans perception stemming from their own cultural mores? Then again, Rio is the defining culture of Brazil for most the world kind of like New York or L.A. is for the United States (I doubt most Brazilian I.D. the U.S. with Flint, Michigan or Milwaukee, let alone ever heard of them).

Anyways... I'm almost forgetting what is was we were disagreeing so much about.
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written by e harmony, October 21, 2007
2)But I was not talking about the large nation state of the United States in contrast to Latin American an European middle-class, I was talking about me. Two different things.

Yes you were talking about you, and comparing YOUR life style with a HUGE CONTINENT. Kind of a stupid comparison, don't you think? And overrated.


I simply stated the Latin American middle-class consumes more than me. The middle-class is one rough category of people kind of like the rich or poor are or like the homeless are. There is no stupid comparison then, when I basically own nothing. What your big problem with this is I have no idea, there is not much overly romantic or glamorous about my place in life or those like me.

Take homeless people in L.A., I haven't been to L.A. or Rio but my common f*ckin sense tells me homeless people in L.A. are lower on the consumer scale than Rio's middle-class. (generally speaking, I'm not talking about mentally ill rich people living on the streets).
eharmony
written by Shelly, October 21, 2007
an example of emotive language from you:In general Americans (USA) might tend to regard Brazilians as extremely vain people.

Then again, Rio is the defining culture of Brazil for most the world

This is your perception, I'm not even going to say that this is an American thinking, because this country has over 300 million people. I will leave the exaggeration to you. You seem to be the expert of the subject.Never in Europe I felt that the British, the Spaniards, the French or the Italians that I dealt with, thought Rio as the "defining" culture. People just know a little bit more about Rio because of our Carnival.

Well, this shows how much you need to learn. You are once again generalizing and overrating your claims. Are you America's spokesperson?

Take homeless people in L.A., I haven't been to L.A. or Rio but my common f*ckin sense tells me homeless people in L.A. are lower on the consumer scale than Rio's middle-class.

Woow, what a knowledge! How long did it take for you to figure that one out! smilies/shocked.gif


You used the word vain twice on your response, are you jealous? Yes, most Brazilian women are beautiful, take care of their bodies and love good the things in life. However, you ask the married guys here about Brazilian women in their homes. We are family oriented, loving, caring and are fantastic good LOVERS.
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written by e harmony, October 21, 2007
eharmony
written by Shelly, 2007-10-21 00:02:45

3)In at least one (probably more than one) earlier post I noted that the Black-American community is in general a high consumer category of people, I stated that in a reflective question I raised, or pondering I had, as to what the true nature of poverty to violence link really is, at least as a simple causative force (note: I have no definitive conclusion).

It is good that you are trying to understand the underpinning of poverty, maybe if more people were able to understand it, they would ACT. I am not suggesting anything, do whatever you conscious tells you. The nature of violence and poverty in the States and Brazil are somewhat similar. However, in Brazil it is a whole different ball game, we have many elements to consider. The Brazilian political system and society in general, has nuances that are difficult for a foreigner to fully grasp. Some of our friends here understand what makes our society tick a certain way, because they live or have lived in Brasil. Bo, AES can give you an American perspective on the issue. I can definitely say that not all poor people are violent, and that not all violence derives from poor people. Having said that, I can give you a glimpses of how the violence dictates our daily (not mine as I live here, but when I visit my country this also applies to my daily activities) life. The US isn't paradise, utopia doesn't really exist, but I can say that a black person has a lot more chances in this country than in mine. My country denies education to millions of kids, there are countless children working at the stop-sign in Rio ( AES, please tell her how it is in Rio), slums are increasing at an alarming rate. We have children working on sugar cane fields, and the problems just goes on and on.
Being poor in any country is difficult, but I bet my money that being in poor in Brazil is far, far worse than here. Bolsa familia and other so called social programs does nothing to break the cycle of poverty in Brazil.


I have no problem with Bolsa familia, and I'm not sure how anyone decrying the lack of adequate nutritional consumption by the Brazilian poor can be against Federally funded social programs.

Asking what is the Brazilian Federal Government doing to create jobs in Brazil seems equally odd to me when the tone of some of your posts seems to suggest you are a proponent of laissez-faire economics. I suppose you'll say by reducing bureaucracy. I don't doubt reduction of bureaucracy will help, but I'm not so sure that is the only answer or problem.

One sociologist who traveled throughout Latin America conducting research, came up with this idea of what he called the "culture of poverty" I believe. I would have to go back into my class sociology book from several semesters ago to dig through it to find his name (which would probably take a long time itself). But his basic proposition as I remember it, was that much of Latin American poverty continues to be perpetuated by a "culture of poverty" wherein the poor (I think he was speaking of urban poor here) relied more upon blaming the government for their woes rather than gathering their resources to access vehicles such as education to help move them out of poverty. According to him many people in Favelas throughout Latin America will purchases electronic items and other non-necessities and then say they have no money to buy pencils for their kids for school. The truthfulness to this claim I can not tell you, but apparently is one man's assertion.

I would tend to figure the truth is somewhere in the middle. Regardless of where the truth is, proper education is needed for all kids in any nation, in today's global information tech economy, so of course I would hope Brazil would begin to do a better job educating it's youth (and adults).

The good thing is that the Brazilian economy is doing better than what is once was. The Chinese might offer a good model as an ethnic group in some ways, as they are regarded supposedly as the greatest entrepreneurs the world has ever known. The economy by Chinese outside of China is supposedly just massive, and inside China they supposedly are building at a rate (with engineering triumphs) similar to that of the early days of the United States with the great engineer feets of the building of New Orleans.
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written by e harmony, October 21, 2007
Tijuana
written by Shelly, 2007-10-21 00:13:57
Eharmony, I have seen a documentary about the Maquiladoras in Tijuana. Take a look, I think you will like it. I am not sure if they have an English version, it is in Spanish, but I think you will get it. I had the pleasure to meet the director, Vicky Funari, and became involved with the project. I have met Carmen, she still alive, but suffers from several illnesses.
http://www.maquilapolis.com/project_eng.htm


Naw, I haven't seen this documentary. I saw the Brazilian documentary "Warrior of Light" not to long ago. Yvonne Bezerra de Mello is a special and courageous woman - where she gets her strength I have no idea. Hey! smilies/smiley.gif She was a foxy woman in her younger years too. Her daughter is also very attractive (though less "exotic" looking than her mother) and that young woman is very refined.

I'll see if I can check out that doc your talking about.
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written by bo, October 22, 2007
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written by e harmony, 2007-10-21 04:08:14



I don't have to go to Brazil to grasp what achieved characteristic are.




How does it feel to be absolutely nuts?
Job
written by Nick, October 30, 2007
I hope that Ricardo gets a job helping his country soon. Nobody has the answer to all human problems of existence or to geopolitical policies but Ricardo is a hard worker and hopefully somebody helps him do productive things for his country.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 31, 2007
Nick wrote: “I hope that Ricardo gets a job helping his country soon. Nobody has the answer to all human problems of existence or to geopolitical policies but Ricardo is a hard worker and hopefully somebody helps him do productive things for his country.”

Thank you for your vote of confidence regarding my work.

It’s true these articles required a lot of hours of research and hard work. All my articles all these ideas that I write about including this 4-part series of articles are my own ideas and nobody else.

I am the only person that I know that have been suggesting that Brazil adopts the euro – I started writing about that in 1998, and about two years ago I changed my mind because of all the economic trends affecting the global economy in the last 4 to 5 years.

Today I have no doubt that Brazil should adopt the new Asian currency that will come online in the next few years. Take a few years of advance preparation for Brazil to be in the ground floor when they launch that new Asian currency.

Some wise guy in Brazil (from some private equity firm, hedge fund, or some other kind of investment firm) might think that my plan makes sense and they might approach the Chinese or countries in the Gulf states of the Middle East with something similar to my plan.

If I were the Chinese or these Arab countries I would not go for unless they want to be taken for a ride just like the guys from Wall Street – first these type of people thinks only on how much fees they would be able to get out of the project to line up their pockets – and they would do foolish things because of their unlimited amount of greed – such as the sub-prime scandal and many more…

If the Chinese likes my ideas and my plan they should keep in mind the plan will be better implemented based on the way that I described on this 4-part series.

I would love to be involved with such a plan and help Brazil move into the future and achieve its goal of prosperity for the Brazilian people and also take a seat at the table with the countries that are becoming the new leaders of the world in this new century. I feel like I have been preparing myself my entire life to be involved with such a major project.

Since I got interested in economics and decided to study it many years ago and in the following years since that time – I always had on the back of my mind the economic development of Brazil and what could be done to achieve Brazil’s potential in that area.
That’s why I have been writing about Brazil adopting a new currency since 1998 and I developed the enclosed plan that I described on this 4-part series – basically these are the result of many years of thinking about these problems and possible solutions. This is the result of many years of a lot of research and also of practical experience in many fields, including the investment area and also international trade.


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The dynamic world of the 21st Century
written by Ricardo Amaral, October 31, 2007
Nick wrote: “Nobody has the answer to all human problems of existence or to geopolitical policies”


My economic development plan for Brazil in partnership with China it does not involve the area of human development in Brazil, because that area of the economic development plan has to be funded by the Brazilian government itself.

My plan is an investment plan that it is a sound investment venture for both parties in turn it will be a win, win option for both countries - China and Brazil

As you said: “Nobody has the answer to all human problems of existence”

But some countries did a better job than others such as the Scandinavian countries including Sweden. But these countries have small populations and their success can’t be replicated in countries with populations of 200 million such as Brazil or China with 1.3 billion people.

Countries such Brazil, China and India with their large populations and widespread poverty – all these countries can do is try to do their best with the limited resources that are available and hope that will help as many people as possible from their current state of complete poverty.

China has been doing an outstanding job for quite a while in that area and they have been able to lift millions and millions of people out of poverty, more than any country in recent years. Today China has a middle class almost as large as the US middle class and that alone has been an outstanding achievement.

Anyone who criticizes China for not doing enough to lift even more people out of poverty – he is a complete idiot since he does not understand the magnitude and scope of such a job in China. For all practical purposes China is doing better than it is possible when you consider all the circumstances and changes that are going on.

The Brazilians have a lot to learn from the Chinese in that area – and contrast that what has been happening in the United States where the middle class is under constant attack and sinking like the Titanic.

I am aware of the problems facing China involving its extremely large population – I am a realist and I am hoping that the Chinese government does not lose control of its population in the coming years regarding its income distribution – even though China has about 200 million people who could be considered middle class – the country still has over 1 billion people living in poverty – that mean that China has a long way to go to build a middle class for the majority of its citizens.

It will not be easy but progress is spreading throughout China and that will help to continue lifting many more boats in that country in the coming decades.

Brazil has been doing very well with its economy, but Brazil has to do a lot better job educating its population and preparing them for the dynamic world of the 21st Century.

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It is a shame, Ricardo
written by Tom Lloyds, August 09, 2009
If someone knows others having some money in their pockets, it is understandable this persons will find some reasons to get the money out of their pocket.

The logic which Ricardo used is a shame! It sounds like this. If the Chinese is fooled by the American, what is wrong if the Chinese is fooled by the Brazilian again?

Ricardo warns the Chinese not having enough food because of shortage of water, and tells the Chinese to lend Brazil money in exchange of food because Brazil had too much food. Does he have some common sense? On global warming, countries near the equator are going into big trouble on agriculture. Brazil is one of them. Brazil is worrying whether it has enough food. Here are the links.

http://www.wharton.universia.n...ge=english
http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-5544-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/...nside.html

Ricardo is writing an empty check to the Chinese and is fooling the Chinese.

Ricardo, you ask Chinese to exchange money for food from Brazil! Are you nut?
written by Tom Lloyds, August 14, 2009

Global warming to 'change face of Brazilian farming'


Catarina Chagas

27 August 2008 | EN | ES


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[RIO DE JANEIRO] Brazil's agriculture could be severely affected by climate change, with soya hardest hit by rising temperatures, report Brazilian scientists.

They based their projections on climate models developed by the UK Met Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.

The researchers considered two possible scenarios for the future: an optimistic one, with a 1.4–3.8 degrees Celsius temperature rise by 2100, and a pessimistic one, with a rise from 2–5.4 degrees Celsius.

They modelled the impact of such temperatures on agricultural land and their effect on Brazil's nine most important crops — cotton, rice, coffee, sugar cane, beans, sunflower, cassava, maize and soya.

Under the most optimistic scenario, by 2020, six of Brazil's food crops — rice, coffee, beans, cassava, maize and soya — could have dropped in value by a total of 6.7 billion Brazilian reals (US$4 billion).

The rise in temperature will increase the loss of water through evaporation from soil and plant transpiration, reducing crop-growing areas particularly in northeast Brazil.

Soya will be the most threatened, with land suitable for soya cultivation predicted to drop by about 20 per cent by 2020 and 40 per cent by 2070, even under the optimistic scenario.

But sugar cane cultivation could double in a few decades because of the crops' ability to adapt to higher temperatures and increases in carbon dioxide.

"Sugar cane plantations will benefit with future scenarios, increasing ethanol production. However, essential crops for the internal market and population nutrition will suffer, bringing a high social cost," Hilton Silveira Pinto, one of the report's authors and a senior researcher at the State University of Campinas (Unicamp), told SciDev.Net.

He adds that the most pessimistic scenario will only be realised if there are no efforts to mitigate climate change and minimise the impact of rising temperatures by modifying production techniques.

Suggestions to minimise impacts include better use of soil by alternating grazing and planting land, encouraging the production of crop varieties adapted to drought and genetic improvement of plants.

The report was released this month (11 August) by the Unicamp, the Brazilian Agricultural Research Corporation, and the Center for Weather Prediction and Climate Studies.

The researchers will now analyse the impact of global warming on other crops and livestock, and social impacts from the change in agriculture. A new report will be released in 2009.

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