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Brazil Is Too Good of a Target to Be Without the A-Bomb PDF Print E-mail
2007 - November 2007
Written by Bill Van Auken   
Sunday, 25 November 2007 17:14

São Paulo aircraft carrier Brazil should develop the technological capacity to manufacture nuclear weapons, one of the country's top generals declared in a television interview earlier this month. The remark was delivered in the context of a turn by the Workers Party government of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva towards a dramatic increase in military spending.

The hike is an effort to build back up the country's armed forces, which have been severely discredited since the end of the military dictatorship more than two decades ago.

"If the government agrees, we need to have the ability in the future to develop a nuclear weapon," said General José Benedito de Barros Moreira, one of Brazil's few four-star generals and a former head of the country's War College.

Barros Moreira, who is presently a senior official in Brazil's Ministry of Defense, in charge of formulating the country's military strategy, compared the weapon to a "lock" needed to safeguard Brazil's resources.

The startling comment came in a roundtable discussion on the program Expressão Nacional broadcast Tuesday night by TV Câmara, the network run by Brazil's congress. The general appeared together with two congressional deputies, Jose Genoíno of the Workers Party and Raul Jungmann of the Popular Socialist Party, as well as Antonio Jorge Ramalho da Rocha, of the National University of Brazil's Institute of International Relations.

"We should be technologically prepared to produce a nuclear device," said the general. He added, "No country can feel safe if it doesn't develop technology that enables it to defend itself when necessary."

Barros Moreira said that Brazil's resources made it a "target" for foreign aggression. "The world lacks water, energy, food and minerals," he said. "Brazil is rich in all of these. For this reason we must put a strong lock on our door."

Significantly, the two legislators both found themselves largely in agreement with the general. Genoíno, an anti-government guerrilla under the military dictatorship, rose to the presidency of the Workers Party (PT), and became one of the central figures in a political bribe and kickback scandal that led the country's attorney general to declare him a leader of a criminal organization.

He spoke in terms of Brazil's need to have armed forces to "match its economic and political projection in the world" and to support "the projection of power in the world and region."

Jungmann, an ex-member of the Stalinist Brazilian Communist Party who has faced his own charges of embezzlement of public funds while he served as agrarian reform minister under the government of President Fernando Cardoso, talked about Brazil becoming a "global player" - using the English phrase - and the need to attend to the "viability of our armed forces."

Both legislators lamented the financial neglect of the armed forces, with Genoino railing indignantly against the "poverty wages" paid to generals and admirals.

Neither they, nor anyone else on the program, bothered to mention that the reduction of appropriations for the Brazilian military was bound up with the overwhelming popular repudiation of an institution responsible for the murder, torture and imprisonment of tens of thousands Brazilian workers, peasants, students and political oppositionists, including some whom the two deputies presumably once regarded as their comrades.

The subject of the television round table discussion was the move by the Lula government to fulfill the Defense Ministry's request for a 50 percent hike in arms spending for the coming year, raising military appropriations from their current level of US$ 3.5 billion to well over US$ 5 billion. It is widely anticipated that the government will revive plans that were shelved in 2002 to purchase new fighter jets and to develop a nuclear submarine.

While the Defense Ministry and the Lula government have officially denied any connection, the discussion of the proposed military buildup in Brazil's right-wing media has focused on a supposed challenge posed by the multi-million-dollar arms purchases made by the Venezuelan government of President Hugo Chavez from Russia, including 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles and fighter planes.

Two days after the general's televised remarks, Brazil's Defense Minister, Nelson Jobim, spoke at a military conference in Rio de Janeiro in support of building a nuclear submarine, claiming that such a weapons system was needed to defend recently discovered off-shore oil reserves.

"When you have a large natural source of wealth discovered in the Atlantic, it's obvious you need the means to protect it," Jobim said.

The Brazilian military had sought the development of a nuclear submarine during the period of the dictatorship, which ruled the country from 1964 to 1985. During the period in which he had emerged as a national figure for his leading role in a series of massive metalworkers strikes in defiance of military rule, Lula had denounced the proposed submarine program as a diversion of resources that were needed to meet the country's vast social needs.

Now, as president, he has emerged as a champion of realizing the Brazilian military's old dream. Last July, Lula announced the appropriation of US$ 540 million to fund the navy's nuclear enrichment program, the first installment of what is expected to be more than US$ 1.2 billion for the building of a nuclear submarine.

"Brazil could rank among those few nations in the world with a command of uranium enrichment technology, and I think we will be more highly valued as a nation - as the power we wish to be," he said at the time.

In his speech, Defense Minister Jobim insisted that Brazil's uranium enrichment program would be used solely for the submarine program and dismissed the idea that it would be utilized for the production of a nuclear weapon. "That's total nonsense," he said, while making no reference to the proposal made by General Barros Moreira expressing the exact opposite viewpoint.

The more perceptive voices in the Brazilian media, however, treated the general's opinions as anything but "nonsense." Folha de S. Paulo political columnist Jânio de Freitas, for example, wrote that in his remarks Barros Moreira "went much further, in objectivity and clarity, than Jobim. He went, strictly speaking, to the very end: he spoke of the necessity of Brazil mastering the entire cycle of nuclear energy, which includes, more than the submarine, nuclear explosive devices."

"How far attending to this alleged necessity has already proceeded is almost a mystery, as is normal for military projects," continued Freitas, who noted that the Brazilian navy had long ago assembled qualified personnel and equipment to begin nuclear enrichment.

The columnist noted that the Lula government has enjoyed the complicity of the Bush administration in concealing the extent and nature of its nuclear program. Washington, he reports, "managed to get the International Atomic Energy Agency to pretend to be satisfied with verbal explanations, after being blocked when it tried to inspect the characteristics, and thereby deduce the possible aims, of the Brazilian installations for uranium enrichment."

He noted that the US attitude toward nuclear developments in Brazil is precisely the opposite of that taken toward similar developments in Iran, where the government has submitted to extensive inspections.

There is no doubt that Washington has tilted strongly towards Brasília, promoting the Lula government as a counterweight to the influence exerted by the left-nationalism of Venezuela's Chavez on the continent. Lula has encouraged this alignment, both with the deployment of the Brazilian military as "peacekeepers" in Haiti - freeing up US Marines for the occupation of Iraq - and in the recent ethanol treaty with Bush.

In conclusion, Freitas wrote: "The motive for the change being introduced in Brazil is obscure, but it is already known that the dimensions of its effects, internal and external, can only be great and grave."

Brazil is not building up its military - and potentially pursuing nuclear weapons - because of some perceived threat from Venezuela. If anything, the political demonization of Chavez and Venezuela's recent arms deals have merely been employed by the Brazilian military and its backers as a useful pretext for promoting rearmament.

Nor, obviously, is there any groundswell of popular support for increased military spending, much less a nuclear arms program. The one political figure most identified with supporting a Brazilian bomb - the recently deceased right-wing nationalist deputy and former presidential candidate Enéas Carneiro of the Party for the Reconstruction of the National Order (PRONA) - was turned into an object of public ridicule over the proposal.

Nonetheless, there are profound objective forces underlying the drive by Brazil's ruling circles to pursue renewed military power, including nuclear weapons. The international arena is characterized by the increasingly sharp and open conflicts between the rival capitalist nation states over the control of resources and markets.

This process has found its most acute expression in the eruption of American militarism, as Washington seeks to exploit its military superiority to offset its relative economic decline, launching two wars of aggression for control of energy-rich regions in the course of the last seven years.

General Moreira Barros's warnings about Brazil becoming a "target" for potential wars over increasingly scarce sources of energy, water and food reflects the emerging reality of a build-up towards a new period of worldwide conflagration. At the same time, the Brazilian ruling elite has its own increasing regional and global profit interests, and is prepared to utilize military force to further them.

While, no doubt, the Workers Party government will promote militarism and a revived nuclear program with the politics of nationalism, these developments pose an ominous threat to the Brazilian working class.

As a result, it will confront growing attacks on its living standards, the increasing power of a military that relinquished its dictatorial grip over the country little more than two decades ago and the prospect of being dragged into a catastrophic world war.

The article appeared originally in http://www.wsws.org.



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I agree 100 percent with General José Benedito de Barros Moreira
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
I have been writing about that subject for many years.

There is no 2 ways about it - Brazil need nuclear weapons to defend the country in the coming years.

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Brazil - We Need the Bomb.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
Here are some of my articles about Brazil and Nuclear Weapons:

May 2002 – “We Need the Bomb – Part I”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/2575/38/


February 2003 – “We Need the Bomb – Part II”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/2186/27/


June 2003 – “Food for Nukes the Answer for Brazil”

http://brazzil.com/p104jun03.htm


Note: Thousands and thousands of people around the world it did read my articles regarding Brazil and nuclear weapons.

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Brazilians are not smart enough to build nuclear weapons.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
I want to mention the most common comment from people regarding this subject - Basically that was the feedback that I got from my articles.

Most people say that Brazilians don't have the technical capabilities to build nuclear weapons - if Brazil had such a capability Brazil would have built a nuclear weapon many years ago.

Basically most people think that Brazil does not have the nuclear weapons because Brazilians are not smart enough to build one.

Brazil it does not look good when even starving North Korea is armed with nuclear weapons.
Pakistan also is armed with nuclear weapons - and the Pakistani economy it is nothing to write home about.

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Here is what the rest of the world believe about Brazil.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
I understand that Brazil is never going to be taken seriously by the other leaders of the world – Brazil it will be a second tier kind of country – Brazil will stay among the countries that are supposed to be just colonies of somebody else.

The other countries around the world knows that Brazil it does not have a single Nobel Prize and to this day the Nobel Prize committee still has not created a Nobel Prize for the best soccer player in the world – until then….

Since Brazilians don’t have the brain power to build a nuclear weapon it will be necessary to import the brain power from other countries such as North Koreans, Pakistanis, South Africans and so on…

Brazil – the land of zero Nobel Prize winners and zero nuclear weapons.

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List of defense expending by country.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
Here is a list of defense expending by country

Rank Country Military expenditures (USD) Date of information

World Total 1,200,000,000,000 2007 (projected est.)
NATO Total 849,875,309,000
1 United States 553,000,000,000 2007
European Union Total 300,745,000,000
2 United Kingdom 69,800,000,000 2007
3 France 65,370,000,000 2007
4 Germany 52,100,000,000 2007
5 Japan 49,100,000,000 2007
6 People's Republic of China 45,000,000,000 2007 (official figures)
7 Russia 32,400,000,000 2007
8 Italy 32,093,537,000 2006 (est.)
9 Saudi Arabia 31,255,000,000 2007
10 South Korea 26,050,000,000 2005
11 Australia 22,000,000,000 2007
12 India 21,330,000,000 2007
13 Canada 16,900,000,000 2007
14 Spain 15,792,207,000 2006
15 Turkey 15,166,000,000 2007
16 Netherlands 10,800,000,000 2007 (est.)
17 Brazil 9,940,000,000 2005
18 Israel 9,444,000,000 2005
19 Republic of China 8,900,000,000 2007
20 Greece 7,648,561,000 2006 (est.)
21 Poland 7,262,500,000 2007
22 Singapore 7,053,000,000 2007
23 Sweden 6,309,137,714 2007
24 Iran 6,300,000,000 2005
25 Mexico 6,070,000,000 2006
26 Norway 5,725,000,000 2007
27 Chile 5,193,000,000 2007
28 North Korea 5,000,000,000 2005
29 Pakistan 4,800,000,000 2006


Source:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ...expenditu
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Brazil's defense spending it is a joke when compared with the other major countries of the world.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 26, 2007
Brazil defense spending was less than US$ 10 billion dollars in 2005, but still an amount larger than the combined defense budget of North Korea and Pakistan.

If North Korea and Pakistan - both countries with half the defense budget of the Brazilian government are able to build nuclear weapons - the conclusion has to be that Brazil does not have the know how to build the A bomb.

When it comes to defense spending Brazil is in the same league as countries such as Greece, Singapore and Poland.

Brazil still in the bow and arrow stage of defense when compared with the big boys. In terms of defense spending today Brazil is not even in the second tier of countries.

Brazil's biggest show of military strength is happening in Haiti - a country with 80 percent unemployment and where most people can't afford even a pair of shoes.

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What about the treaties ?
written by John Miller, November 26, 2007
Hello,
Does anyone know a 4 star general who does not want an A Bomb? You dont think there is a small self-interest in a general having an A-Bomb?

Let me also remind you of a few other points here. Brasil, along with New Zealand and Australia, led an alliance to bad NUCLEAR WEAPONS production in the Southern Hemisphere. This not only helped in the change of South Africa, but also directly led to France's discontinuation of atomic weapons testing in the South Pacific. To this day, the treaty is strictly enforced and as such NUCLEAR WEAPONS production is confined to the Northern Hemisphere.
Just imagine then that Brasil does declare that is going to develop an atomic weapon. Put aside the fact that they would have to test the weapont somewhere on brasilian soil (how about in the amazon?, gees, like yeah, real good idea), then you would then have to say that Argentina and Venezuela would also have the right to production of a nuclear weapons. Now does anyone seriously want a Prozac addicted President Chavez with his finger on the trigger of a nuclear weapon? God forbid.
REAL COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP from Brasil can be shown by standing up and saying "Brasil will not take this route to nuclear weapons excalation." Look to Brasil's historical strength in diplomacy where it's world recognized as having one of the strongest diplomatic corps in the world.
Finally, a word on the threat's posed to Brasil, because it has great mineral, agricultural and geographic wealth. Is an atomic bomb really going to secure this wealth? I think not. When you see the threats and where they come from, you would clearly see that defending Brasil's interests is best served with diplomacy, trade, alliances, treaties, and a strong ground and well trained base of troops supported by conventional military forces and infrastructure.

SAY NO TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS, SAY YES TO STRENGTHENING DIPLOMACY.







Hey Amaral
written by jakob, November 26, 2007
Ever heard of "Live by the sword, die by the sword"?
It's not that "Brazilians are not smart enough to build one", as you say. My point is, Brazilians SO FAR HAVE SHOWN MUCH MORE SENSE THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE NORTH HEMISPHERE by not having the bomb!
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written by AES, November 26, 2007
This process has found its most acute expression in the eruption of American militarism, as Washington seeks to exploit its military superiority to offset its relative economic decline, launching two wars of aggression for control of energy-rich regions in the course of the last seven years.


I would disagree with the motivation as expressed above; though ancellary consequences are a geopolitical hegemony of oil. More importantly is the perceived military consequences as forcasted 20 years out. To this future end present events are enacted. It is my contention that all of this ends with the disarmament of Iran's nuclear weapons development. The recent release of pictures and diagrams of the nuclear weapon belies the Iranian contention that for the past ten years it has been merely doing theorehtical nuclear research. Intelligence certainly has been aware of all that Iran has been engaged in from the Kobar towers, to the bombing of Embassys. Iran has had a grand military plan for nearly two decades. It is in my estimation that Iraq and Afghanistan are flanking movements in a final deneument with Iran.


General Moreira Barros's warnings about Brazil becoming a "target" for potential wars over increasingly scarce sources of energy, water and food reflects the emerging reality of a build-up towards a new period of worldwide conflagration. At the same time, the Brazilian ruling elite has its own increasing regional and global profit interests, and is prepared to utilize military force to further them.

Barros's warning is a self evident reading of history. It is the 'way of the world'. The world unfortunately only understands power. The recent rise of Bovespa, export and capital reserves in addition to the wealth of agriculture minierals all must be defended. Even the Bank of England employs armed guards. It would be wise for Brazil to hone a military edge, indeed to acquire a sword upon which to hone a military edge. Brazil has a need to invest in radar, runways, roads. Without roads you cannot move supplies. Brazil is in need of a less theoretical nuclear arsenal and a more pragmatic arsenal of surface to air missiles, telemetry, large troop and supply transporting helecopters, tactical helecopters, tactical jets, aerial born communication platforms, an army of light tanks and armored military transports. Having acquired the hardware the development of a conscribed highly trained citizen army must be established. An army whose 2 year conscription is from all strata of society. A military that trains for future professions as well as defense. A nation of such great wealth as Brazil is a nation worth plundering, either sublely or blatently. Both the lion and the lamb have merit, but it is the fangs and claws of the lion that give pause for reflection.

Nuclear weaponry gives pause to no one, it is a useless weapon in South America. The purpose of nuclear submarines was to allow the submarine to remained submerged for months at a time while it transited the globe. Brazil has no interest in transiting the globe. Brazil's navel enemies are much closer at hand. Brazil, however would do well to acquire state of the art cruisers or Harrier jet platforms. What Brazil needs is what it needs now; and what Brazil needs now is on the shelf and available in the world arms markets.

Brazil has a fear of the military born out of history. But the times have changed. Brazil though still opaque has become nearly 'transparent'; its economy subject to global norms. A credible army conscripted 'of the people', of Brazil is a geopolitical necessity. It acts as a deterent to internal meddeling by external forces. It also provides an educational entity for the country at large providing a transitioning institution from adolescents to responsible, productive citizen.

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written by David Mendoza, November 26, 2007
I think not having nuclear weapons gives the country a moral superiority.

If Brazil got nuclear weapons, then other South American countries would think they have to do the same. With so many poor people to help, why start a regional arms race?
no one needs an A bomb
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, November 26, 2007
how would they deliver the bomb ???
& too whom

brasil is in a place where its grates thret is too itself
dont be a target , and you wont have to spend billions of reals trying to defend a country that does not have the money to do so

make buddies out of good people and use you buddies to help stop the bad ones
no one needs an A bomb
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2007
how would they deliver the bomb ???


By land

& too whom


To Chavez and Cristina

brasil is in a place where its grates thret is too itself
dont be a target , and you wont have to spend billions of reals trying to defend a country that does not have the money to do so


Anyone going to listen to you? As for the money, no problem. They can always come out with a temporary tax like CPMF and call it CPBA!

make buddies out of good people and use you buddies to help stop the bad ones


A good advice,but pay attention to this stretch of the article:

At the same time, the Brazilian ruling elite has its own increasing regional and global profit interests, and is prepared to utilize military force to further them.


So nobody is going to listen to you, however good your intentions are smilies/angry.gif
Forrest makes a good point
written by Madision Reynolds, November 26, 2007
The US built the interstate hiway system in the fifites and sixties to be able to transport weapons across the country as every overpass was high enough for the missile carreirs could pass underneath. Can't imagine transporting any major weapons on Brazilian hiways.
Ricardo Amaral/Shelly
written by João da Silva, November 27, 2007
What do you think about the article in the link ?:

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...5543,0.php

I can already imagine Shelly´s opinion smilies/wink.gif
use its military on its own people
written by Forest Brown, November 27, 2007
brasil best bet is like i said before .
long range cruse missel system GPS guided truck or small plane lanch or buy boat running up the amazon you could pick off chaves from over the jungle
and would not even need to getr yopur boats out in salt water
and from the quality of brasilian navel officers you would not loose them to surender of sell them to chaves
of corse the senators will want them to stand buy to protect there beach houses and use them a a possible way for themselves to escape to portgual.
did any one see chaves saying he is putting his talks with columbia in the deepfrezz

i have a bunch of people at NASA you want intel pic of chaves land with GPS overlay going cheep
start out with 9 lat long numbers but can be made to be a lot closer for the right price
Brazil and Argentina for that matter could build nuclear weapons very quickly
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
Jakob: It's not that "Brazilians are not smart enough to build one", as you say. My point is, Brazilians SO FAR HAVE SHOWN MUCH MORE SENSE THAN ANY COUNTRY IN THE NORTH HEMISPHERE by not having the bomb!


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Ricardo: That is not my opinion as I mentioned on my posting – that was the general feedback that I got from a lot of people when I wrote the articles about Brazil and the A Bomb.

A lot of people told me if Brazil had the know-how then Brazil would have built an arsenal of nuclear weapons. If anything that indicates that your country has reached a new level of technological advance.

I know that Brazil and Argentina for that matter can build nuclear weapons very quickly if these countries decide to build these weapons.

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Brazil has two choices regarding Nuclear Weapons.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
John Miller: What about the treaties ?


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Ricardo: First, treaties are made to be broken after its utility run its course and they are not set in stone.

The United States like to bring up the subject of treaties when it is convenient to the position that the US is taking about any subject. But as soon as international treaties are in the way of something that the US is doing then at that point the US does not the treaties that they signed or they just quit it and disregard these treaties.

Regarding the opinion of the United States about a lot of things around the world including nuclear weapons - very soon that will carry as much weight as the opinion of the Soviet Union.

Even the US dollar has reached the limits of its usefulness and very soon the world it will need a new international financial system with the US dollar playing only a marginal role.

Today the US economy it is like the Titanic and we are almost to the point of hitting the iceberg.

Basically the party is over for the United States – and nobody could deny that the United States had a good run in the last 100 years.

In a few years the United States will be just a marginal player in world affairs such as the Soviet Union, and the British Empire – and today these changes come at the speed of light.

Without nuclear weapons Brazil would be showing - REAL COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP – like General Armstrong Custer.

And we know what happened to his courage and leadership.

But REAL COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP would be to develop an arsenal of nuclear weapons to protect the future generations of Brazilians.

Brazil is finally becoming that country of the future – but without the nuclear arsenal that future is going to elude Brazil one more time.

Brazil has two choices:

1) Don’t develop nuclear weapons – accept its position of just being a 3rd tier country – and then Brazil should shut up and let the big boys set all the guidelines of what Brazil can and can’t do. Just follow the orders of the elite countries and once on a while they might even through a bone in Brazil’s way and invite Brazil to some meaningless meetings just to give Brazil the illusion that let are listening what Brazil has to say.

2) Brazil develops and build a nuclear weapons arsenal – takes its place at the table with the elite countries of the world – Brazil becomes the master of its own destiny and that country of the future that has eluded Brazil so many times in the past.


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Brazil should be prepared for the future and not for the past.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
AES: Nuclear weaponry gives pause to no one, it is a useless weapon in South America. The purpose of nuclear submarines was to allow the submarine to remained submerged for months at a time while it transited the globe. Brazil has no interest in transiting the globe. Brazil's navel enemies are much closer at hand. Brazil, however would do well to acquire state of the art cruisers or Harrier jet platforms. What Brazil needs is what it needs now; and what Brazil needs now is on the shelf and available in the world arms markets.


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Ricardo: Nuclear weapons gives no pause for no one – just ask the North Koreans….

AES sounds like he wants Brazil to fight the last war like the US is doing today.

I want Brazil to be prepared for the future and not for the past.


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Reminder: about North Korea, Serbia and Iraq.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
David Mendoza: I think not having nuclear weapons gives the country a moral superiority.


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Ricardo: The Serbs also thought that – and they also thought that if there country was going to be attacked by a foreign power the Soviet Union would come and protect them from such an attack.

The United States destroyed the entire infrastructure of Serbia – and at the same time the Soviets did rollover and played dead.

What good it does to a country for not having nuclear weapons to be able to defend itself - the moral superiority it does not help much when the entire country has been flatten like a pancake.

North Korea has nuclear weapons – and the US did not have the guts to attack that country.

Serbia did not have nuclear weapons just like Iraq and just look at both countries what happened to both of them.

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Technology of tomorrow and not yesterday's.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
Forrest Allen Brown: how would they deliver the bomb ???


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Ricardo: From space!!!!!!!!!!!

I am talking about a war of the future not about the past.

Brazil would launch such a weapon from space with tomorrow’s technology.


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Brazil should prepare itself to fight the war of tomorrow
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
Madision Reynolds: The US built the interstate hiway system in the fifites and sixties to be able to transport weapons across the country as every overpass was high enough for the missile carreirs could pass underneath. Can't imagine transporting any major weapons on Brazilian hiways.


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Ricardo: I hate to say that but you guys have the mindset of fighting the last war.

I am talking about Brazil leapfrogging not only nuclear weapons technology into the future, but I am also suggesting that Brazil should develop a space technology of the future which would be able to deliver such a weapon in case of need.

I am not suggesting that Brazil should follow the footsteps of the US and the Soviet Union during the cold war.

Brazil should prepare itself to fight the war of tomorrow.


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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
That would have worked on the past, but not today with the internet.

Brazilians also have the choice to go and study in Europe and the United States.


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Ricardo Amaral: Technology of tomorrow and not yesterday's. How about the technology of today, Buck Rogers?
written by AES, November 27, 2007

AES sounds like he wants Brazil to fight the last war like the US is doing today.

Oh contraire monsieur. AES sounds like he wants Brazil to be able to intelligently defend itself from any probable military eventuality, as opposed to defending itself from a fantastical military eventuality. Brazil does not have the capacity to defend itself from any military eventuality.




Why North Korea and Pakistan can and Brazil can't?
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
As much as I think that the United States defense spending is a big waste of money – When a country is wasting over US$ 500 billion per year. There are better things that the United States could be doing with a large chunk of that money such as investing in infrastructure.

On the other hand there is such a thing as under invest in Defense spending – and that is the case with Brazil. Defense spending in Brazil it is a joke when compared with the other major countries of the world.

Brazil should be investing on its defense at the same level of such countries as Italy and Russia and Saudi Arabia.

And developing nuclear weapons can be done very easily without breaking the bank in Brazil.

Just keep in mind North Korea with an annual Defense budget of US$ 5 billion and Pakistan with an annual Defense budget of US$ 5 billion – both countries were able to build nuclear weapons with an annual defense budget half of the current defense budget of Brazil.



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Brazil military in need of new weapons - report
Reuters - Mon Nov 26, 2007

SAO PAULO, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Brazil's armed forces, the largest military in Latin America, are badly equipped, demoralized over pay and stuffed with generals, according to a report by news magazine Veja.

The forces are facing their worst crisis because the government has failed to make them a priority and to realize the role they should play in national affairs, political scientist Geraldo Cavagnari of Campinas State University is quoted as saying in the leading Brazilian weekly.

"Brazil has celebrated 22 years of democracy after 21 years of dictatorships. Now the military is attracting the country's attention with a rare intensity," says the report in Veja's latest issue.

Soldiers are fed up with outdated weaponry such as 30-year-old rifles and Korean War-era tanks, it says. Some 88 percent of the air force's planes are more than 15 years old.

Of the navy's 21 warships, only 10 are in operation. Just two of its five submarines are in service. Low salaries and lack of funding also are major complaints, according to the magazine.

With 290,000 men and women, Brazil's military is the 15th largest in the world. But ranked by the number of personnel per head of population, it is eighth in the Americas, behind neighbors such as Venezuela.

However, there is a high ratio of generals to other troops, Veja says.

The magazine says the military's main concerns are defending the Amazon, containing Brazil's leftist neighbors and maintaining its ability to protect the country's maritime territory.

In a poll carried out for Veja by CNT/Sensus, 82 percent of military personnel surveyed and 72 percent of civilians said the Amazon region risks being occupied by a foreign power.

Some 88 percent of civilians, compared with 53 percent of the military, said the army should fight drug traffickers and other criminals operating in cities such as Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, according to the poll.


Source: http://www.reuters.com/article...SN26384758


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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, November 27, 2007
Ricardo: From space!!!!!!!!!!!

I am talking about a war of the future not about the past.

Brazil would launch such a weapon from space with tomorrow’s technology.


On WHOM will Brazil will launch a nuclear weapon from space? Who are our potential future enemies-distant ones or neighbors?

Brazilians also have the choice to go and study in Europe and the United States.


Not all can afford to do it.The majority that remains here gets brain washed with trash like the way the article described.
Brazil should prepare itself to fight the war of tomorrow.
written by John Miller, November 27, 2007
Hi Ricardo,
Instead of preparing to fight the war of tomorrow, how about fighting for peace TODAY! There are a few people and countries out there still that want peace, not war believe it or not.
You would condone spending billions on nuclear weapons, and leave the poor of Brasil destitute, then the country will self implode from within, and then what are the nukes going to be good for? You cant feed and educate people with nukes Ricardo.
Just out of curiousity, did you get any inspiration for your thinking from the Peter Sellers character in"Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"?

Hey, but by all means, spread more fear and hatred by all means. Thats how G W Bush got the USA into a war, works a treat with a lot of people. But it does ring as a little irresponsible, and perhaps people are getting a little tired ( or smarter) about people playing the "fear and hatred" card, and know better.

Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, and try to love one another right now .



"Brazil has been smarter by NOT having a nuclear bomb"
written by ch.c., November 27, 2007
smarter by not being able to build one...doesnt make you smarter by any means, but just the opposite.
Sorry !
Even in nuclear plants for energy, Brazil is lagging.
Tell me how many emerging countries have lower nuclear plants per 10 millions capita !!!!
Certainly not many, and NONE when compared to a similar GDP per capita.

Same for your overall defense budget : do it on a per capita basis, and you will probably be behind many sub saharan countries !

And to invade Brazil is very easy. Just put napalm bombs (even ethanol bombs would do fine) and you will have the Guiness Book of records for the world largest BBQ !

And to Forrest : what are the origin of the long range missiles and GPS you are talking about? American, Chinese, Russian or from Israel ????
Does Brazil have Brazilians long range missiles...yet ? Not to my knowledge !
But Brazil already had a bomb exploding in the country ! Probably coming from a hidden laboratory. Just look at the huge crater in SP :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6386835.stm

And the commander in chief of the hidden underground laboratory, Luiz Carlos David, wrote in his resignation letter :
" "a symbol of the efficiency of public administration" which had "great challenges ahead of it".
Furthermore :
Mr David's resignation came after it emerged that studies carried out by the underground network itself had cast doubt on the quality of the concrete used in the construction works, Brazilian media reported. "

Stupid question : is that the type of construction you want to do in the wealthy Arab countries ???????

Laugh....laugh....laugh !




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written by ch.c., November 27, 2007
And tell your smart generals and smart defense minister and engineers :
puting fuel tanks at the end of a landing strip.....IS VERY DANGEROUS !
Did they now know that ? Nooooooooo !
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I don't agree
written by jakob, November 27, 2007
Amaral, nuclear weapons are "icing on the cake", and Brazil can't afford to have the icing on its cake yet.

Any highly developed nation that went through many stages of development, CAN afford to develop the bomb, because all the infrastructure (scientific, technological, economical, political..) is already in place. For example the old USSR had all the stages EXCEPT economical, and look what happened - the armaments race broke it financially, and later on broke it in every other respect.

I am sorry but Brazil still hasn't passed through a sufficient number of development stages ... If we consider EU or USA or UK to be currently on stage 10, Brazil is currently on stage 3 of development... IMHO Brazil can start thinking about building the bomb at stage 7 or 8, say.

This has nothing to do with intelligence (or lack of) of its citizens... but merely with the fact that Brazil still is in many respect a highly undeveloped country. IF Brazil starts making the bomb, it will break her even more.
To the "smart" Ricardo.....
written by ch.c., November 27, 2007
Just re-read what you wrote in your various above comments/answers/agreements/disagreements....and may be you could see a few of your own contradictions.
I dont see a few...but many !
Have a line of common sense, and not many that disagree with others of your own.....disagreements !
Do you even know what you are talking about ?
Do you even know what your opinion his ? Just re-read...YOUUUUUU...... and the answer is " of course not "

You are getting lost....in your own comments...through your many many contradictions !


Anyway....enjoy your drowning!

Ohhhh....are you not the one who wrote in your FIRST article that China should INVEST US$ 20 billions in Brazilian nuclear plants.
Sorry for you but not 1 country in the world....so far......has ever invested money to build a nuclear plant in a foreign country !
Laugh....laugh....laugh..... ! Nuclear plants are paid by the countries where they are built..... ....NOT by foreign investments which is quite different. But if you have an example.....please name it ! Laugh....laugh...laugh !!!!!!
Ohhhhhh smart Ricardo....and dont you think that China in terrible needs of energy, will invest their money in their "OWN " Nuclear Plants,
and built by developed nations companies ...before even puting ONE centavo in ONE foreign nuclear plant ?

Yessssss Ricardo...the junkie....... not so smart after all !
If you want to know a few things about China Nuclear Plants here a re a few :
- Mainland China has eleven nuclear power reactors in commercial operation, five under construction, and several more about to start construction.
- Additional reactors are planned, including some of the world's most advanced, to give a fivefold increase in nuclear capacity to 40 GWe by 2020 and then a further three to fourfold increase to 120-160 GWe by 2030.
- The country aims to become self-sufficient in reactor design and construction, as well as other aspects of the fuel cycle.
- Electricity demand is growing very rapidly.
- Mainland China is starting to rely heavily on imported uranium to fuel its nuclear power program.

And please Ricardo the Gogo, read again : The country aims to become self-sufficient in reactor design and construction which means they are not yet and will never be for the latest generation plants.
Eventually you could sell them some uranium since Brazil pretends to have the world best uranium enrichment process !!!!!
I repeat....Brazil pretends !!!!!! Brazil always pretends but never ever prove what they pretend !
Typically Brazilian style.
Telecom Engineer
written by Lloyd Cata, November 27, 2007
Many people do not know that Brazil's nuclear program is more than 30 years old and has developed peacefully
albeit under the auspices of US sponsorship. That sponsorship is only granted on the conditions set in Washington.
Note: Washington recently floated a plan to roll-back Brazil's enrichment capability. The idea being that the nuclear
club of the East and West would provide their 'client states' with fuel for energy reactors. I.e., Russia would supply
Iran with fuel and the US/Western consortium would provide Brazil, Israel, and others. Thankfully, Brazil rejected this
attempt to infringe on its sovereignty.
While it may not be necessary, at this time, for Brazil to have nuclear weapons, the nuclear submarine and other
technologies are perfectly within its right to develop. Nuclear weapons are, in fact, defensive in nature, and then only
to prevent 'certain other nuclear powers' from historical practices, including economic subjugation. As is clearly seen
by the Bush Iraq fiasco, a strong, well equipped national forces are better suited to national defense. Projection of power
is a totally different subject which is not particularly suited to the Brazilian society. It has yet to be determined whether the
Brazilian expedition in Haiti will be successful as anything other than a stand-in for US and French interests in the continued
subjugation of the first free state in the Americas. Brazil could do better, and 'people of color' are watching.
Brazil's role as a leader in the 'non-aligned movement' has been clear for many decades now. It would be a shame for Brazil
to now join the Club of Greedy Thieves as a prerequisite for joining the technologically rich and spiritually bankrupt Empire.
My 2 Cents
written by costinha, November 27, 2007
It’s easy for you (typical american) to say that….. No “nuke” when you have enough of it to destroy the earth.

Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

Just like you tell us about destroying our Amazon forest from the BIGGEST polluter in history (the USA).

However, I must say that I completed agree with peace and preservation of our environment but not form a point of weakness but one of strength. Thank God for Russia and now China for some degree of equilibrium. Otherwise, the US has and will continue to abuse and impose onto other nations of the world.

Good Day…
Costinha
written by AES, November 27, 2007
It’s easy for you (typical american) to say that….. No “nuke” when you have enough of it to destroy the earth.

By all means, please develope nuclear weapons. Spend trillions of dollars developing it as well as a delivery system. And when you finish you will still be 40 years behind the state of nuclear physics and space science. The only people that are newly interested in arming themselves with nuclear weapons are those that are considering using them. Such vitriole in the expression of the paucity of nuclear cupboard, of the current state of your nuclear arsenel is laughably Freudian. The greatest of power is economic power. Japan is an example of a nation, thriving, economicly powerful sans nuclear bomb. It is self evidently a more intelligent model for Brazil, than Russia, China, India, Pakistan or the U.S.

Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

Since 911.
Nuclear weapons development cost billions and not trillions.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
AES: “By all means, please develop nuclear weapons. Spend trillions of dollars developing it as well as a delivery system. And when you finish you will still be 40 years behind the state of nuclear physics and space science.

The greatest of power is economic power. Japan is an example of a nation, thriving, economically powerful sans nuclear bomb. It is self evidently a more intelligent model for Brazil, than Russia, China, India, Pakistan or the U.S.”


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Ricardo: You said: “By all means, please develop nuclear weapons. Spend trillions of dollars developing it as well as a delivery system.”

Trillions of US$ dollars like North Korea and Pakistan did in the last few years?

Since the defense budget of each of these countries is around US$ 5 billion per year – there is something wrong here with your figures and estimates of the price to develop nuclear weapons.

If it takes trillions of US dollars to develop nuclear weapons and the delivery technology – then why the United States is so upset with the nuclear technology program of Iran?
Iran’s annual Defense expenditures are only around US$ 7 billion dollars.

There are 2 countries that don’t have nuclear weapons – Japan and Germany – but these 2 countries could build these weapons in a matter of months if they wanted nuclear weapons since they have the money, and the technology.

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AES - The Ugly American Strikes Again…
written by costinha, November 27, 2007
Don’t you love stereotyping?

Consider your statements:
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“And when you finish you will still be 40 years behind the state of nuclear physics and space science. “
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Typical american air of superiority…

I can see you know nothing of science. Mathematics or Physics is the same & concurrent anywhere on earth… I can’t say your Calculus is 40 years old nor your Physics is also 40 years old compared to mine… Nonsense!

Now, in space technology perhaps… But you know what, it doesn’t matter because a nuclear bomb is a nuclear bomb, despite its delivery system.

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”Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

Since 911.”
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So you think… 911 was the collateral damage that the US suffered after nearly a century of antagonizing & aggression of just about every country in the world, good luck Sherlock!

The entire world has awaken… The US will not fool us again!

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written by John Miller, November 27, 2007
Ev'rybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism
Isn't it the most
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Ev'rybody's talking about
Ministers, Sinisters, Banisters and canisters,
Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
And bye bye, bye byes.
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Let me tell you now
Ev'rybody's talking about
Revolution, Evolution, Mastication, Flagelolation, Regulations.
Integrations, Meditations, United Nations, Congratulations
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance

Oh Let's stick to it
Ev'rybody's talking about
A bomb, N bomb, H Bomb, bong bong.
Every general & politicians want a bomb,
They will be tough, strong & dumb,
But they left my country destitute & ostrasized like North Kprea & Pakistan,
And now my neighbours North and South of me have more nukes than me..
All we are saying is give peace a chance
All we are saying is give peace a chance
The art of war is the art of deception
written by A Brazilian, November 27, 2007
Basically most people think that Brazil does not have the nuclear weapons because Brazilians are not smart enough to build one.


And I think this is good. Let them think this way. We must develop it, but we don't need to go around publicizing it unless it makes some strategical sense. Being underestimated is good, it means that they don't expect much from you and therefore you have the surprise factor.
Costinha: Noun 1. stereotype - a conventional or formulaic conception or image
written by AES, November 27, 2007
Slow down Watson. The U.S. has been doing nuclear science and rocketry for some 60 years. The 40 years reference had to when the U.S. science landed on the moon.

Now, in space technology perhaps… But you know what, it doesn’t matter because a nuclear bomb is a nuclear bomb, despite its delivery system.

Well Watson if it were as simple as you suggest the Iranians would after 10 years of R&D have a nuclear weapon. How long does it take to build a cascading facility and the centrifuges necessary for enrichment? Then there is the testing.


So you think… 911 was the collateral damage that the US suffered after nearly a century of antagonizing & aggression of just about every country in the world, good luck Sherlock!

Elementary my dear Watson. 911 was the tipping point.

”Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

What do you know about 'God's will? Do you suppose to know God's will that you know what is not God's will?

The entire world has awaken… The US will not fool us again!

Who is 'us' Watson? The entire world? The 'entire world' to use a phrase is at the American Consulate in Rio de Janeiro trying to get a green card or at worst a visa of anykind.

Your opinion is self agrandizing. It is a poor psychological attempt at compensating for a seemingly general feeling of inadequacy. If you can prove the U.S. to be wrong it validates you, empowers you. In your calculus if you are able to denegrate the U.S. you somehow are effected. However, extant from anything you will still be whoever you are. Nothing will change, you will still be as important and powerful as you are. ' Mathematics or Physics is the same & concurrent anywhere on earth' and so are you my dear Watson. It is as elementary as deductive reasoning.

'Don’t you love stereotyping?' You should know all the meanings of a word before attempting to demonstrate erudition in using it mockingly.

Refer to def 2 under noun.
Refer to def 3 under transitive verb.

ster·e·o·type (str--tp, stîr-)
n.
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
3. Printing A metal printing plate cast from a matrix molded from a raised printing surface, such as type.
tr.v. ster·e·o·typed, ster·e·o·typ·ing, ster·e·o·types
1. To make a stereotype of.
2. To characterize by a stereotype: "Elderly Americans are the neglected sector of the fashion industry, stereotyped by blue hair and polyester pantsuits" American Demographics.
3. To give a fixed, unvarying form to.
4. To print from a stereotype.

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AES: English -1. stereotype- a conventional or formulaic conception or image
written by costinha, November 27, 2007
Uau…. Sherlock knows how to Cut & Paste

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Definition Direct from Webster:

Main Entry:
1ste·reo·type
Pronunciation:
ˈster-ē-ə-ˌtīp, ˈstir-
Function:
transitive verb
Date: 1804

1: to make a stereotype from
2 a: to repeat without variation : make hackneyed b: to develop a mental stereotype about

— ste·reo·typ·er noun
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Your verbosity is exceeded only by your stupidity… American stereotype –
BIG Mouth And Narrow Mind and Foremost, Unilingual Stupid People!

AES… You're so cool, God gave you an extra chromosome! Hehehehe

You're a moron. It's your legacy. Deal with it.
Reply to a Brazilian
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 27, 2007
A Brazilian: “And I think this is good. Let them think this way. We must develop it, but we don't need to go around publicizing it unless it makes some strategical sense. Being underestimated is good, it means that they don't expect much from you and therefore you have the surprise factor.”



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Ricardo Amaral: Let me clarify something here for the people who did not have the chance to read my articles about Brazil and nuclear weapons.

If you took the time to read my articles then you would know that I believe that the Brazilians can develop and build nuclear weapons. If I thought that the Brazilians were not capable of developing and building such a technology then I would not have wasted my time writing the articles.

I guess people say things such as “Basically most people think that Brazil does not have the nuclear weapons because Brazilians are not smart enough to build one.” And many other variations of the same idea just to piss me off since I was the author of the articles.

Since most people did not want Brazil to build nuclear weapons then they say that Brazilians don’t have the know-how and the brain power to build such a technology.

I know Brazil and Argentina could build nuclear weapons in no time if their governments decided to do it.

I agree 100 percent with General José Benedito de Barros Moreira on this subject – and I know that Brazil has the technical capability to do it.

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written by João da Silva, November 27, 2007
Many people do not know that Brazil's nuclear program is more than 30 years old and has developed peacefully


Unfortunately, this is the truth and even the author of the article is unaware of it. Who started it was the visionary President Geisel. The military government in the 70´s determined that Brasil should be self sufficient in energy. That was the reason for creating Ethanol as alternative fuel and the Nuclear program was indeed to build Nuclear Power stations and not to build bombs. I don't agree with the statement that the Brasilians are incapable of building Nuclear power stations or bombs, though to have Nukes or a Nuclear Submarine is just waste of Tax payer´s money. I believe that Nuclear energy has to be used for peaceful purposes.

What intrigued me about this article is that a couple of lefties who always opposed Geisel and Figueiredo (nothing that the military did was acceptable to them) had to resort to the help of a General to say that we need to concentrate on developing Nuclear Technology. If you really read the main stream media in Brasil, you would discover that the General was not talking about Nuclear Bombs, but to resuscitate the research about Nuclear Technology.

Of course, once we build our own reactors or bombs or submarines, the lefties will claim that the results were due to their relentles efforts to promote "Science" . Probably Jugmann or Genoíno would love to be the Minister of Science and Technology, thus giving them a political rebirth.The biggest laugh I had was when our fearless Minister of Defense declared that Brasil needed a Nuclear Submarine to defend our newly found oil reserve!

BTW, who was responsible for turning our Armed Forces into a laughing stock? Just think.
Costinha: Vous êtes vraiment imbecilic un sage d'idiot un homme pour toutes les saisons d'irationality.
written by AES, November 28, 2007
A stereotype has an original, the original plate from which all copies follow. The argument that stereotypes have no validity is without merit. Your argument that stereotyping precludes validity is typically sophmoric. It denies that a stereotype may or may not have validity. In any case all stereotypes descend from an original proposition the merits of which may or may not have credibility. Merely because a thing is stereotypical does not negate its validity.
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written by Lars, November 28, 2007
Why dont you solve the problems of endemic poverty, illiteracy, favelas, corruption, crime, infrastructure. Why dont you solve these problems before you set to solving the problems of building an atomic bomb. Jesus Christ get your priorities straight. Nobody is thinking that Brazilians do not have the intelligence to build an atomic weapon. Brazil's Embraer builds some of the finest aircraft in the world. Brazil is certainly technically capable of doing anything it collectively sets its mind to.
little bugs kill better and leave the buildings
written by Forest Brown, November 28, 2007
no lets just pot mark the globe with A bomb holes

yes to US has moved in on many a fight after we were hit not before
or we saw an injustices being done and europ was doing nothing

the serbs and croats for one the though of killing off some one for skin color or a beleaf

OH hitler , stalin , serbs , north korea , north vetnam .
all killed off people fro a belif.

and now ben ladin , sadam ,
another 2 trying to kill off the in pure the nonchosen
and if they beat the US who do you think they will go after next
and you have 1000 living in your country now and they breed like rats
and will push there way of life on the poor and stupid of your country


and then brasil could be like packstan and have its top nuke person
sell off tis information to any one with cash

NO A BRASILIAN SELLING OFF SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM
Silly child . . .
written by JR, November 28, 2007
My 2 Cents
written by costinha, 2007-11-27 11:17:46

It’s easy for you (typical american) to say that….. No “nuke” when you have enough of it to destroy the earth.

Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

Just like you tell us about destroying our Amazon forest from the BIGGEST polluter in history (the USA).

However, I must say that I completed agree with peace and preservation of our environment but not form a point of weakness but one of strength. Thank God for Russia and now China for some degree of equilibrium. Otherwise, the US has and will continue to abuse and impose onto other nations of the world.

Good Day…

God help you my child. You've been cursed with a pea brain and an ignorance just profound enough to be dangerous. Good luck to you.
AES: Parles-vous Francais… Tete de pine?
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
T'est qu'une sale pute qui se met des godes et du poulet dans le cul. Tapes-toi une queue et va niquer ta mère espèce de connard qui se lèche le cul chaque matin en fumant des gauloises pour le petit-déj'

Hehehehe…

Sprechen Sie Deutsch… Blödes arschloch?

Deine mutter hat haarige arschbacken. Geh Einhandsegeln, und Geh' und krabbel in das stinkende Loch zurück, aus dem Du kommst!


Besa mis huevos...gringo pendejo......Hehehehe
Who Shot JR????
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
You are obnoxious in every odious detail. Live with it without bitterness. Do the human race a favor: never breed, we don't need any more Ugly americans on this earth.

America Is A Melting Pot, The People At The Bottom Get Burned While All The Scum Floats To The Top!


Hehehehe
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written by Tommy, November 28, 2007
I was just reading about nukes in Scientific American yesterday, and what struck me is that the only remotely safe place in the world, nuclear war speaking, is South America. Brasil would be non-agressors and hopefully a place where people would actually survive a worldwide nuclear holocaust. Please don't give up your blessings.
Costinha: Merci. Your multi lingual banality is exceeded only by the state of your emotional adolescence.
written by Lars, November 28, 2007
Dans un concours de l'esprit vous ne feriez pas à moitié mauvais. Comme nous disons en français, 'vas te fair foutre'. Mais merci de la manifestation linguistique de votre manque obious de toutes les graces sociales.

To be ignorant in so many languages gives hope for those of us who are merely ignorant in one.
Lard Ass… Do you speak fluent dyslexic?
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass! Now then, I refuse to enter into a battle of wits with you - its against my moral code to attack an gimpzoid spazboy.

Yet another Ugly american idiot suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the ideas. Go associate with your own species.

Yours Truly
Reply to Cn.c
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 28, 2007
Ch.c wrote: Ohhhh....are you not the one who wrote in your FIRST article that China should INVEST US$ 20 billions in Brazilian nuclear plants.
Sorry for you but not 1 country in the world....so far......has ever invested money to build a nuclear plant in a foreign country !
Laugh....laugh....laugh..... ! Nuclear plants are paid by the countries where they are built..... ....NOT by foreign investments which is quite different. But if you have an example.....please name it ! Laugh....laugh...laugh !!!!!!


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Ricardo: Based on your comments I can see that you still have not grasped the essence of my 4-part article about China investing US$ 200 billion in Brazil. The sad part is that thre were almost 800 comments following the 4-part articles discussing almost every angle or doubt that the readers had about the articles.

And after all of that you still don’t understand the essence of what was discussed.

It is not a case for ah,ah,ah – The reality is that: it is a real sad story since I thought that you had finally grasped that subject.

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I learn something new every day.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 28, 2007
Jakob wrote: Any highly developed nation that went through many stages of development, CAN afford to develop the bomb, because all the infrastructure (scientific, technological, economical, political..) is already in place. For example the old USSR had all the stages EXCEPT economical, and look what happened - the armaments race broke it financially, and later on broke it in every other respect.

I am sorry but Brazil still hasn't passed through a sufficient number of development stages ... If we consider EU or USA or UK to be currently on stage 10, Brazil is currently on stage 3 of development... IMHO Brazil can start thinking about building the bomb at stage 7 or 8, say.

This has nothing to do with intelligence (or lack of) of its citizens... but merely with the fact that Brazil still is in many respect a highly undeveloped country. IF Brazil starts making the bomb, it will break her even more.”


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Ricardo: If I got your theory right and understand what you are trying to say – then Pakistan and starving North Korea are countries considered on your scale of economic development to be category 7 or 8 – very advanced economies. (Mainly when compared with the Brazilian economy.)

And poor Brazil is a category 3 and in the same category with countries such as Somalia, Zimbabwe, Sudan and other very under developed countries.

The only thing I have to say to you is that your theory it is brilliant and I wonder how you came up with your conclusions.

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The almighty that puts fear in the soul of every American
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 28, 2007
AES: “Since when did the almighty give the “United States” supreme power of Judging and Executing his will????

Since 911.”


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Ricardo: By Almighty are you referring to the fellow who put the United States on its knees?

The fellow who put so much fear in the soul of Americans resulting into a society that can’t even thinks straight?

Are you referring to Osama Bin Ladden?

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 28, 2007
Joao da Silva: On WHOM will Brazil will launch a nuclear weapon from space? Who are our potential future enemies-distant ones or neighbors?


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Ricardo: I don’t know.

You can’t rule out any country. Remember Japan attacked the United States in 1941.
Could anybody on his right mind predict such an event?

The United States was budy, budy with the government of Saddam Hussein during the years that Iraq was fighting a very nasty war against Iran.

Then the United States turned around and just look at Iraq today.

Venezuela and the US used to be friends and look at them today.

You never know what tomorrow it will bring on your direction and you have to be prepared to handle any possible event.

By the way, the Chinese are developing their defense systems to fight the war of tomorrow which include having an arsenal of nuclear weapons in space ready to be used against any enemy if necessary.


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Brazilians and the Prey Mentality.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 28, 2007
There are a lot of people who say who would attack Brazil today or in the future?

But most people don’t know world history much less Brazilian history. I would not be surprised to find out that more than 50 percent of the Brazilian population does not know that there were 3 foreign invasions against Brazil.

The French invaded Brazil twice – once in the North of Brazil and another time in the area around Rio de Janeiro. And the Dutch invaded the area around Recife and Olinda in Pernambuco – and took 24 years for the Brazilians to throw them out and defeat them.

In the 21st Century the biggest conflicts that we will have around the world it will not be about oil, religion, or political ideologies – the biggest conflict in the world it will be about freshwater resources.

Brazil is the King of freshwater resources in the world – and only if Brazilians are complete idiots they don’t realize that they will need to build nuclear weapons to keep the wolfs away.

In some of the above postings some people said that Brazil should do this and that to take care of the poor population in Brazil – but that is a strategy with no end in sight and an utopia since that goal would never be reached in a million years.

You can read the reasons why on my article published in 2000 about overpopulation.
You read it at:

July 2000 – “Overpopulated”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6963/73/


Some of the other people said that Brazil should stick with diplomacy – but that is not the way the world works because of human nature and men’s instincts as a predator.

The people who are against Brazil building nuclear weapons are the people who have the instinct of being the prey instead of the predator.

Usually the prey is the one who is killed and eaten by the predators.

In reality today Brazil is very vulnerable to a foreign invasion – if that ever happened and the invader decided to throw a soccer tournament in Brazil at that time then everybody would concentrate on the soccer tournament instead of the foreign invaders.

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Ricardo: 'f**k you and the horse you road in on'
written by aes, November 28, 2007
What the f**k are you talking about? Why dont you get the f**k out of the United States you f**king subversive motherf**ker? You are a downer, a propagandist. You think you know what you are talking about but you are dead wrong. Your hatred for the United States is pathological. Why dont you do the U.S. a favor and leave if you have such contempt for it? You are a hypocrite, a user, a taker. Your theories on the geopolitical universe are as meaningless as Costinha's ramblings. You are non sense Ricardo. I dont give a f**k about your pathetic need for approval of your economic theories. I have watched the economic cycle for 40 years, it is a cycle it is not a line ending in a cliff. Abu Dhabi invests 7.5 billion at 11 percent and the dollar strengthens and the market rises and all your theories die. So Citibank takes it and defines the coming cost of money. Its going to be 11 percent by 2011. The dollar will strenthen and the largest economy in the world will absorb all the changes; and the cycle of boom and bust will continue. We have seen you before in 1980 when interst rates were 20 percent and gold was $820. 'The end was at hand, the dollar is worthless', you screamed. You're still screaming.
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written by aes, November 28, 2007
sp. rode in on.
Korea and Pakistan
written by jakob, November 28, 2007
Ricardo: If I got your theory right and understand what you are trying to say – then Pakistan and starving North Korea are countries considered on your scale of economic development to be category 7 or 8 – very advanced economies. (Mainly when compared with the Brazilian economy.)


Exactly my point! Look what happened to North Korea and Pakistan ... They decided to build the bomb, and now they can barely feed their populations!

I currently live in Rio. IMHO any country that has gigantic slums like those in Rio's Zona Norte (I won't even say a word about Zona Sul with Rocinha etc) simply cannot afford to even START thinking about the bomb. Ridiculous!

I fully agree with Lars at 2007-11-27 20:49:54
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written by John Miller, November 28, 2007
It is amazing how people use "Fear, loathing and hatred" to justify the defensive or national security interests of deploying nuclear weapons of mass destcruction.
Why fear, loath or hate another country? And who says man is predator? This is almost neandethal or reptilian in thinking? Is Nelson Mandela a predator? Was Martin Luther King a predator?
If we spent 1% of the money we spend on defense or mechanisms for avoiding the cause of was (poverty, disease, lack of access to education and basic services, clean water, infrastructure) we would avoid conflicts in the first place. And if the argument is also about over-population and the fight for scarce resources, then again, spend 1% of the budget on addressing the cause of overpopulation.
But bombing ourselves back into oblivion? Gees, I have a great belief in humanity can and will do much better than this option.
For the short term, I recommend we dump about 10,000Kg of Viagra into the Tigris, Nile, Congo rivers, and see if this gets people thinking better. Man is incapable of supplying enough blood to his penis and his brain for fighting at the same time, so this should reduce the conflicts in Iraq, Congo, Darfur quite quickly.
A good leader leads by example
written by A Brazilian, November 28, 2007
Why fear, loath or hate another country? And who says man is predator? This is almost neandethal or reptilian in thinking? Is Nelson Mandela a predator? Was Martin Luther King a predator?


We are all waiting for the US to give all their nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, nah... I don't believe in it.
Americans on "How to comit suicide"
written by A Brazilian, November 28, 2007
I currently live in Rio. IMHO any country that has gigantic slums like those in Rio's Zona Norte (I won't even say a word about Zona Sul with Rocinha etc) simply cannot afford to even START thinking about the bomb. Ridiculous!


The conditions in Soviet Russia weren't paradisiac as well. I don't see how the two things are related. According to people like you Brazil should halt all research and development of technology that could one day bring new streams of revenue and develop new industries because we have poor people? That's suicide.

Military industry is important not only for defense but also for our economy. Besides the technology developed could be used for civilian purposes as well, the same way the internet did.
Soviet Russia
written by jakob, November 28, 2007
I already said what I have to say about Russia. I am getting repetitive. Russia didn't have the economic conditions to build the bomb. The resources that Russians diverted to weaponry caused immense suffering to its civilian population, and what's more USSR dissolved in 1989, leading to more suffering in the 90s. I would much more be healthy, well fed, and have my country rely on diplomacy, than be poor, armed to teeth and be afraid of invasion!
About water
written by jakob, November 28, 2007
And this thing about water... Ridiculous, again.It is a non-argument. Technologies are already available that desalinize sea water. And how much sea water do we have on this planet, I ask you? Also there are countries that have immense quantities of water (e.g. Canada, Russia)
Technology is the only way
written by A Brazilian, November 28, 2007
Nothing justifies not developing technologies. It even seems that you think we should be naked indians living in the middle of the woods in some blissful state of ignorance and relying on foreign benevolence for our continual existence. No, that's wrong. All countries, and I mean all of them, have no other way than to develop technology.

Technology is what moves the world. Empires arose because of them and fell when they lost their edge. Civilizations begin and end because of it. The most emblematic image of how technology means the difference between life or death was when America was colonized. Most of those tribes didn't even have this incredible technology called alphabet. Most didn't have math. And even the most advanced ones perished.

What we need is more research and development. This is the way to go military and economic-wise. Perhaps then those "poor" you talk about will have more job opportunities.
Brazilian Technology
written by Lloyd Cata, November 28, 2007
Brazil recently tried to launch a space rocket, and failed for the second time.
The REAL information the Iranians are holding is their ability to deliver such a weapon tied to their MISSILE technology. As an example we can look at Cuba which has nuclear weapons, but not a delivery system, which Washington monitors very carefully. So we can see the difference, where the weapon is used defensively. For any additional capabilities in the nuclear area, Brazil will probably turn to the East to gather technical knowledge. The West will not add to its decreasing ability to influence through military gamesmanship. This balancing act between the Western decline and the emerging developing nations puts Brazil at the center of a dangerous game being played out between the Western Powers and the influence over South American resources. Washington wants "free trade' badly because soon they will not be able to provide the resources for their economy.

They must 'take' what they need to survive. 'Free trade' means they will not have to pay the societies that they plunder for resources. They simply pay the 'supplier', which is some multi-national corporation that they can maneuver in the multi-national markets. The 'people' get nothing, and should be thankful for the opportunity to work and sell to such 'generous' neighbors. Not a care for health, education, or the general welfare of the workers or the society.
The general is right to be 'very' concerned and wants the military capability to defend Brazilian sovereignty, but what he needs most is a government not disposed to sellout the people to enrich themselves. The future of Brazil is not tied to its military technology but is primarily dependent on the quality and honesty of its leaders. See how the Empire still plays with Africa. All the bombs and soldiers will not save you as outside forces tear your society apart from within. There are those who profit from chaos. They will take advantage of Brazil's internal conflicts to manipulate its economy and resources(Western Economics 101). Generals have never been good businessmen, so forcing them to take charge of the society always leads to economic ruin. If the generals are the only ones left with any ethics or moral compass, then the society cannot be saved except by military rule, and the businessmen will run rampant exploiting the people. Anyone who resists such exploitation will be dealt with militarily. It is the same game throughout the world, only different faces. Brazil has no excuse. God has blessed your nation with all it needs to
prosper. If your children are hungry, it is your doing. If your schools are failing, it is your doing. If your people are sick, physically or psychologically, it is your doing. Do not let others dictate for your people. There are many nations, mainly in Africa, who are entrapped by the mechanisms and schemes of foreign powers. Having a nuclear weapon removes the military component from the table. Mutually Assured Destruction did work. It is working because the diplomatic option is all that's left on the table. If Argentina had a nuclear device, the British would never have tried to re-colonize the Malvinas, and the US will not directly attack Cuba. You see it was a trade-off; Cuba and Israel would each have the weapon, never to be publicly revealed,
undocumented, hidden in miscellaneous 'letters of understanding'. It was a deal the US still chokes on like a chicken bone. Bravo!!! The Cuban people have held on. They still produce healthy people, and doctors and teachers despite every attempt by the Empire to crush the revolution. Bravo!!! If that tiny nation had half the resources as Brazil can you imagine? No, you probably cannot, because Cuba would be the Japan of the Western Hemisphere and that is too far to imagine.
There are nations in Africa who are free because Cubans gave their lives and what little treasure was available. They did not stay on as overlords and economic masters. The world is looking to see how Brazil operates in Haiti. Brazilian troops return with horror stories of the suffering and absolute poverty, absolute poverty, of a nation. I much prefer Fidel, than what has happened, and continues to happen, to the Haitian people.
SO BUILD YOUR BOMB GENERAL, BECAUSE HISTORY IS ON YOUR SIDE. THE WORLD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE, MADE ONLY MORE DANGEROUS BY THOSE WHO THINK THEY CAN INDEFINTELY STEAL FROM AND SUBJUGATE YOUR PEOPLE.
These Inconsequential americans: AES – jakob - John Miller – and others.
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
The United States never lost a war but again, never won a conference either! And then, when they have no convincing argument they will personally attack you, typical.

The stereotype Ugly american: Loud, arrogant, insensitive, boisterous, dresses absurdly, demeaning, uncultured, do-good, save-the-world impulsive, no table manners, toothpick chewing… Just ask the French, they love them!!!!!! Let these scabs talk until they choke….Who cares!

My friends ameriCANS… On your way out, don't let the door handle hit you where the good lord split you!


Hehehehe
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written by A Brazilian, November 28, 2007
Lloyd, what a pile of bulls**t. Cuba is not an example for anything simply because socialism is not viable. It's not the US that made them poor, but their very economy doesn't allow it to prosper. Do socialism have super-production? What would they sell? With what would they buy goods from other countries?

Yes, Brazil is blessed, and for keeping it this way we must develop military techonology.
The "good savage" myth strikes again
written by A Brazilian, November 28, 2007
What do such idiots have in their minds?

God has blessed your nation with all it needs to prosper.


He didn't give us high technology. This topic is not to be discussed in forums such as this one simply because it is pointless. What do the brazilians that bring this up expect to hear? What we will only see is this: a bunch of cynics arguing that we should live like some 21st century version of "Russeau's good savage" because "God gave us everything", as if sand, water and animals to hunt was "everything there's in life to be had".

Nanotechnology, space technology, improvements over existing technology, etc are only a very small fraction of there's out there to be had. And God didn't give us any of that.

Seriously, whoever write these articles should try to accomplish real things, either mobilizing the population about urgency of such matters, or getting the word out for authorities (if they aren't thinking about it yet) or even something practical in those terms if you have the skills. Using public forums on the internet plagued by ignorants and God knows who is definitely not good.
Lloyd Cata: Your contention is patently false.
written by aes, November 28, 2007
"As an example we can look at Cuba which has nuclear weapons, but not a delivery system, which Washington monitors very carefully"


According to the following:
http://homepages.uni-tuebingen.de/student/frauke.grosshennig/Perspectives.html
Unknown to U.S. intelligence for 30
years, the Soviet Union had sneaked about
100 small nuclear weapons into Cuba at
the time of the 1962 missile crisis, in addition
to its more powerful strategic missiles.

Cuban President Fidel Castro wanted
to keep the tactical weapons -- short-range
rockets and airplane bombs -- even
after the crisis, and Moscow's defense
minister initially ordered his troops to train
Cubans in their use.

But Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev,
horrified that Castro had urged him to
launch strategic nuclear missiles against
the United States at the height of tthe
crisis, ordered that all the tactical weapons
be swiftly removed.
The crisis ended and the last of the tactical
warheads was reported returned to the
Soviet Union in December 1962, according
to documents found by Western and Russian
researchers in once-secret Soviet archives.
Costinha: You are an idiot savant.
written by aes, November 28, 2007
T'est qu'une sale pute qui se met des godes et du poulet dans le cul. Tapes-toi une queue et va niquer ta mère espèce de connard qui se lèche le cul chaque matin en fumant des gauloises pour le petit-déj'
Hehehehe… Sprechen Sie Deutsch… Blödes arschloch? Deine mutter hat haarige arschbacken. Geh Einhandsegeln, und Geh' und krabbel in das stinkende Loch zurück, aus dem Du kommst! Besa mis huevos...gringo pendejo......Hehehehe.

Costinha you are a boor. The vulgarity of your expressed mind; the juvenile toilet humour you find amusing enough to publish in three languages, gives lie to any serious analysis that you profer. Your writing is a characature of reality. Your stereotypical 'ugly American' is ludicrous. Your conclusions are not a product of your own objective observation but a collection of cartoons. It is you that is the stereotypical 'anti-American'. Blathering a litany of vacuous mendacious tripe. Your purported venom is a hackneyed parroting of bourgeoise, pseudo-intellectual emotional rambling. Your opinion is formed without fact. It is the product of a fetid, childish mind; infused with a grandiose sense of your own importance, of your intellectual irrelevance.
AES
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
You just don't get it, do you?

The man who cruelly deprived a village somewhere of an idiot. Talk to someone who cares, peckerwood.

Yours truly (hehehe)
AES – I got your number
written by costinha, November 28, 2007
American Enema Society, that’s it! That’s why you are so full of s.h.i.t.

Now all makes sense…. AES, an idiot suffering from diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the ideas.

Yours truly (Hehehe)
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2007
Ricardo: I don’t know.


If you don't know who is your enemy, you cant plan your military strategy,unless you consider everyone to be your enemy.

But most people don’t know world history much less Brazilian history. I would not be surprised to find out that more than 50 percent of the Brazilian population does not know that there were 3 foreign invasions against Brazil.

The French invaded Brazil twice – once in the North of Brazil and another time in the area around Rio de Janeiro. And the Dutch invaded the area around Recife and Olinda in Pernambuco – and took 24 years for the Brazilians to throw them out and defeat them.


I know the history and have visited the historical battlefield where we defeated the Dutch. The lady tour guide lamented the fact that the Dutch were defeated, believe it or not! It was a long time ago and I hope that they have not constructed high rise buildings on that spot.

July 2000 – “Overpopulated”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6963/73/


I was very busy all through the day and could not find time to read it. Finally, I did BECAUSE you do write interesting articles. However, I found lots of contradictions between 2002 and NOW.Please do allow me to cite a few:

The population in Brazil grew as follows:

YEAR POPULATION

1500 0

1600 100,000

1700 300,000

1800 3,250,000

1900 17,000,000

2000 170,000,000


In year 1500, the population of Brasil was 0 (Zero), according to your stats. Did the census exclude the native Indians we were trying to make as slaves or they were not considered to be humans?

With the accelerated advances in technology and automation which we have today in the United States, the optimum population for the United States probably should be reduced to an even lower amount of people. Maybe the country should not have a population larger than 120 million people.


Here you are writing for the American audience, obviously.

Most people don't understand and don't give much thought to the power of geometric progression (exponential growth) and its effect on population growth. For example, to show the power of exponential growth, in the 1980's more than 10 million legal and illegal immigrants arrived in the United States. This group of people will grow in numbers to approximately 25 million people by the year 2035.

To give another example, the estimated 25 million total legal and illegal immigrants who came to the United States during the 20-year period from 1980 to 2000, will grow to approximately 60 million people by the year 2040.

Government officials and the business community only think of their immediate needs of keeping labor costs down. They never think about the consequence of a growing population on future generations and its impact on the future of the country.


I do understand about what is geometrical or exponential growth. There again, your target readers were Americans.

There are two policies, which the Brazilian government should adopt immediately to put Brazil on the right path for its future. First, the Brazilian government should put in place a policy to reduce its population from its current 170 million people to a target of 100 million people by a certain attainable date.


What is your proposal to reduce the population of Brazil to a "manageable one of 100 millions". Ethnic cleansing? Please do specify.

Finally:

Second, the Brazilian government should adopt the "Euro" as its new currency. The adoption of the "Euro" by Brazil would help the country to move economically into the 21st century. These would be the major two steps, which Brazil could take today which could have the most beneficial result for its future. These policies would have a positive impact not only socially but also economically. These policies would help update the Brazilian economy and move it in the right direction in the new millennium.


In 2002 you proposed that Brasil should adopt Euro. 5 years later, you are suggesting that we adopt the Asian Currency. Why did you change your mind?

Ricardo, your latest article was very good proposing building of infrastructure for Brasil, generating millions of employment.The building of Nuclear reactors to kill the project of building dams was very good indeed (with or without the Chinese money). I must confess that you do disappoint me by proposing that we build Nukes to defend our country. Instead, we channelize our "Brain Power" from ITA, IME, Federal Universities to research and develop new technologies to suit our needs and for COMMERCIAL applications. We do have talents and why don't we give a little more attention to them?

build for the people
written by Forest Brown, November 29, 2007
frist like i said before , if you took over brasil you would have to feed close to 190 million poor ,
build sewers , water plants eletrical system a highway system trains , dredg out just about every shipping port in the country
build proper public housing
and dont forget the jails you would have to build revamp the phone and banking systems , public transportation

medical stations schools

just not enough bang for the buck

in other words not worth killing the beast
as you could not afford to bury it
Forrest
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2007
build for the people


Don't give me the bulls**t about "building for the people".Building what for them? Nukes or boats ?

Did you pick up the coded message?
I'm not an American
written by jakob, November 29, 2007
First off I am not an American (of the US variety), I came from an European country.

Second, desalinization, computers, civil planes (Embraer) ARE high tech. You don't have to
wage wars in order to develop economy, look at e.g. postwar Japan, Germany, China/Hong Kong, Singapore... It's just that IMHO Brazil will always stay a resource-based economy. From what I've seen Brazilians are not stupid but neither do they have a very special gift for tech and science - other countries will always have a comparative advantage here.
Jakob
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2007
From what I've seen Brazilians are not stupid but neither do they have a very special gift for tech and science


Here you are absolutely mistaken.I think that you are a very recent comer to Brasil and your contacts here are very restricted in the field of Tech and Science. If you think that way, would appreciate your explaining how we built EMBRAER,TELEBRAS,VALE,NUCLEBRAS,etc;

I don't know what country in Europe you come from and hope it is not from the lands of Salazar, Franco or Mussolini.
Stupidity Squared
written by costinha, November 29, 2007
It never ceases to amaze me the general ignorance of people in general. With the internet, anybody can surf any website in the world and place their absurd comments. The so-called keyboard commandos!

Likewise, all of sudden, here we have these instant experts in any topic you come up with. On a person to person setting, most would zip their “pile holes” in any conversation that they don’t have any clue about as a sort of self-preservation, to hide their ignorance on the subject.

Look at the above absurdity:

“From what I've seen Brazilians are not stupid but neither do they have a very special gift for tech and science - other countries will always have a comparative advantage here.”

That’s raw stupidity. How can anyone with minimal sense of basic logic make such a statement. In short, a country of 190 million people, with origins from all over the world including indigenous, Portuguese, African, Arabic, Jewish, German, Polish, French, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French, and mixed, etc. etc. etc…., say that every single person simply because he/she was born in Brasil has no “gift of tech and science.” Absurd!

That’s why I don’t take anything serious and with a degree of cynicism in any public forum domain. This website is no different. Biased disinformation articles, followed by the typical fanatical american bulls**t, sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong as usual, complemented by other idiots with the single minded intention of polarizing Brasil or any other country.

Just keep it for what it is… A joke, better served with jokes!

Good day


No
written by jakob, November 29, 2007
What I meant to say, is that it is hard to do science in Brazil... Brazil, a big country, has never had one single Nobel prize winner, while some smaller European countries, half the size of Rio, had several. Yes there may be "Portuguese, African, Arabic, Jewish, German, Polish, French, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French, and mixed" as you say but history has shown that Brazil is incapable in building a first-class, world-class infrastructure for science & technology. Successes here will always stay sporadic (EMBRAPA, PETROBRAS, EMBRAER).
This is just my personal, honest opinion, sorry if this is to abrasive for your ears!
Costinha: Lost in translation.
written by aes, November 29, 2007

“From what I've seen Brazilians are not stupid but neither do they have a very special gift for tech and science - other countries will always have a comparative advantage here.”

Translation: From what I've seen Brazilians are not stupid but neither do they SEEM to have a very special gift for tech and science AS COMPARED to Japan, Germany, China/Hong Kong, Singapore.

"other countries will always have a comparative advantage here".

These countries Japan, Germany, China/Hong Kong, Singapore, as a consequence to the current state of their technological and scientific industry and institutions of learning have, by consequence, a comparative advantage.

"It's just that IMHO Brazil will always stay a resource-based economy".

Translation: That "in my humble opinion", Brazil's fundamental greatness rests in the incomparable wealth of her natural resources. That is to say; the wealth generated from technologically based industries will not, and in the near term, equal the unlimited wealth and potential wealth generated from the vast riches of Brazil's natural resources.
There she goes again.....
written by costinha, November 29, 2007
AES - The American Enema Society.

How many times do I have to flush to get rid of you?

Meanwhile, kiss my ( 0 )... Do you get my drift, Sherlock?


Hehehehe....
Reply to Costinha
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 29, 2007
Costinha: “The United States never lost a war”


*****

Ricardo: What do you mean?

What do you think happened in the Vietnam War?

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Brazil, Pakistan and North Korea in the Nuclear Age.
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 29, 2007
Brazil X Pakistan

Brazil’s economy is 4 times larger than Pakistan’s economy.

Brazil’s military budget is twice than Pakistan’s military budget.

Brazil has Zero nuclear bombs and Pakistan has around 100 nuclear bombs.


Brazil X North Korea


Brazil’s economy is 40 times larger than North Korea’s economy.

Brazil’s military budget is twice than North Korea’s military budget.

Brazil has Zero nuclear bombs and North Korea has around 10 nuclear bombs.



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Pakistan:

Population: 164,741,924 (July 2007 est.)

Area: total: 803,940 sq km

Area comparative: slightly less than twice the size of California

GDP (purchasing power parity): $437.5 billion (2006 est.)

Labor force: 47.87 million

Military expenditures – US$ 5 Billion (2006 est.)

Nuclear weapons arsenal: Estimated to be between 80 to 100 nuclear bombs.



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North Korea:

Population: 23,301,725 (July 2007 est.)

Area: total: total: 120,540 sq km

Area comparative: slightly smaller than Mississippi

GDP (purchasing power parity): $40 billion

Labor force: 9.6 million

Military expenditures – US$ 5 Billion (2005 est.)

Nuclear weapons arsenal: Estimated to be between 6 to 10 nuclear bombs.



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Brazil:

Population: 190,010,647

Area: total: total: 8,511,965 sq km

Area comparative: slightly smaller than the US

GDP (purchasing power parity): $1.655 trillion (2006 est.)

Labor force: 97.77 million (2006 est.)

Military expenditures – US$ 10 Billion (2005 est.)

Nuclear weapons arsenal: Estimated to be between ZERO nuclear bombs.


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Costinha/Bo
written by aes, November 29, 2007
Why dont you keep your dumb, Southern, cracker ass in your pants? Hehehehe!
AES/Jakob
written by João da Silva, November 29, 2007
That "in my humble opinion", Brazil's fundamental greatness rests in the incomparable wealth of her natural resources. That is to say; the wealth generated from technologically based industries will not, and in the near term, equal the unlimited wealth and potential wealth generated from the vast riches of Brazil's natural resources.


First of all let me thank AES for translating Jakob's comments!

When a large majority of our population is very happy with the current Government's policy of making money selling our natural resources and ignoring education at all levels, why produce scientists? Will anyone clap hands when a Brazilian scientist wins a Nobel award? You just go down the street and conduct a poll asking the common Joes to cite the name of the first Brazilian astronaut. You will discover that it is better to be a Soccer player than a Nobel laureate or an astronaut. If you cant make it into any soccer team, just get a job as a "Porteiro" of an apartment building. You will have make more money than an unemployed Business Administrator!! This is the sad truth, especially knowing that the educated Brazilian middle class is not all that stupid.
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written by Lloyd Cata, November 30, 2007
A Brazilian -
You ridicule my assertion as to Cuba's potential as a Socialist Society. What about Sweden, Denmark, etc.? China??? These are in fact socialist countries. This cannot be denied just because they are 'democratic' OR 'communist' socialists. Do not be so narrow-minded to think that being socialist has some deficiency as to society progression. Unfortunately, it is the 'communist' manifestations that hinder socialist progression. Speaking to the communist manifestations, it is totally plausible that the US hostility must be answered by harsh measures, and then only limited. If Brazil does not give 'free trade' to US, see how it goes for you! At some point you follow the US example and it will bring back the generals. You cannot deny that the US loves it when the generals give them your lives and your treasure. Not your life, eh, only the lives of the poor who dig your treasure for US glory.
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aes - You say Cuba has no weapon. OK, I cannot prove this to you, just as you cannot prove that Israel does have the weapon, no?
You cite Nixon and Kissinger, two proven liars; one dead and the other continues to deceive. I only look to the empirical truth of the matter which is that US can fight illegal covert wars around the world. The best military and all that. Yet they dare not confront Fidel as they did the traitor in Panama, or Grenada, or Haiti. What deters them from confronting Fidel?
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK FIDEL WOULD REMOVE ALL THE WEAPONS AND STAND NAKED BEFORE THE EMPIRE? HAVE SOME SENSE!
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Brazil has the means to acquire nuclear technology, both intellectually and economically. For anyone to doubt this is moronic. Can Brazil afford to build nuclear forces? Well, President Lula has proposed $23 BILLIONS for Science and Technology. What part of this is devoted to nuclear? That my friend is surely a state secret, not for public disclosure. You can be assured that a good portion must be for nuclear technology, because even if energy independent, nuclear is a fundamental part of any energy policy. That is simply the way the world works, but of course you did not learn these lessons in school. You read too much and understand too little.

If Brazil continues to ignore that most of the people are in poverty, then no nuclear weapon can save you. Will you use it on what favela?
I will give you the best example of how to proceed in defending the nation:
You may know that the 'School Lunch Program' in the US was first started as a "military defense measure". The generals testified to the Congress that the soldiers come so malnourished that they are no good for fighting. Now the generals say the troops are too stupid for the new military technology, so they must improve the schools. Only when the generals are afraid do the politicians and businessman become afraid. There is much fear in the US Pentagon right now. The soldiers they recruit are schoolboys who have no desire but to pay for education. Well, they are being given a rather harsh education in Iraq, and many come home mentally impaired. Speak to your soldiers coming from Haiti!

Both of you commented on my statements concerning Cuba, so I have good faith that I am trying to be true to the situation in Brazil. I only mention others in the historical perspective. It would do well to educate yourself in history because it has a way to repeat itself. Surely, This was made clear even to the Pope when he visited Brazil, and so it is made again to the King of Spain who thinks he can dictate for Latin America from his colonial European mentality. NO MORE! NO MORE! LET HIM GO TO HIS EUROPEAN NEIGHBORS AND TELL THEM TO TREAT FAIRLY THE PEOPLE IN LATIN AMERICA AS HE MUST DO TO THE PEOPLE IN SPAIN. THEN HIS DEEDS CAN MATCH HIS WORDS. Else he will sit in your councils, and sit in their councils, and who do you think will profit?
Llyod Cata/Telecom Engineer
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2007
Well, President Lula has proposed $23 BILLIONS for Science and Technology. What part of this is devoted to nuclear? That my friend is surely a state secret, not for public disclosure. You can be assured that a good portion must be for nuclear technology, because even if energy independent, nuclear is a fundamental part of any energy policy.


Well Llyod, you do bring some fresh perspectives to this forum and enhance our knowledge of world affairs for which I am thankful.

I am also happy that you are appreciative of our Prez proposing to spend $23 billions for Science and Technology, though I do not understand why the percentage of it spent on Nuclear Technology should remain a state secret. After all, we are a democracy and if the government does not want to say it clearly, they can just use the catch all phrase "Defense". Of course, you being a better informed person on world affairs, may have a different opinion.

I don't know where this $23 B comes from and I sincerely hope that not out of increase in taxes or confiscation of our savings, which is customary in this country.

Surely, This was made clear even to the Pope when he visited Brazil, and so it is made again to the King of Spain who thinks he can dictate for Latin America from his colonial European mentality.


I don't know if the Pope understood the message clearly. Anyway, never mind him. He really doesn't matter.As for the King of Spain, he is just promoting Spanish business interests in Latin America. It is his job.I don't think that many Brazilians know the name of the King nor would recognize him if he is taking a stroll on Avenida Paulista. If I were you, I would just treat him as a greedy interloper.

Ah, what do you think about Chavez breaking off the diplomatic relationship with Columbia?
Joao
written by Shelly, November 30, 2007
I will come up with an answer, have to read the whole article and your link. I am on a time crunch at work smilies/wink.gif
a bomb in cuba
written by Forest Brown, November 30, 2007
do you think russia lost one in cuba before they pulled out . I DONT THINK SO

cuba is there now because the US president embarsed the country by letting down the fighters he said he would back up .
and there are so manny cubans with money in florida and control the vote so let it be is the ploicity to cuba
dont let the big old mean US beat up on little cuba any more .

i have been all over cuba and very little of the old russia cuba buddie system is gone even if you look at the sat pics of cuba
little to no bases left

and like brasilians talk very open about every thing and if you ask them they will say cuba has no bomb and no way to
give it to any one


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written by Lloyd Cata, November 30, 2007
Joao -
Venezuela is simply fulfilling its place as the champion of anti-Imperialism in Latin America. How interesting it is that as Fidel
and the Cuban Revolution is in decline that another champion, Mr. Chavez, arrives to carry the banner! Columbia also fulfills its role as the puppet of the Empire. Columbia has been set up for this position over many years. Long before Mr. Chavez or Mr. Uribe arrival, the stage was set to use Columbia as a springboard for US ambitions in South America. Under the pretense of a "War on Drugs", the people of Columbia suffer a guerilla war, paramilitary atrocities, and political corruption. This War on Drugs has lasted more than 20 years now and noone takes it seriously any more in either country, except the peasants who suffer chemical poisoning from the destruction of their livelihoods.
Mr. Chavez may be moving faster than his capabilities to consolidate the transformation of the Venezuelan political and economic institutions. He has little time or patience for diplomatic niceties. He doe not have time to allow the Empire to turn from its present "War on Terror" (another fallacy) and begin to seriously confront the new realities in Latin America. Mr. Uribe is trapped in his imagination of aristocracy and colonial trappings. Columbia is a trapped between its own rightist and leftist groups, both armed and dangerous, and its masters to the north. It is shameful to need the US for the security of the nation, but Uribe knows no other way and the US is only too happy to oblige. Columbia should see that it is next for list of 'friends of US' who end in flames.
The present dispute between Venezuela and Columbia has been manufactured and manipulated by outside forces. Mr. Chavez is holding all the cards right now, but when he receives his armaments from Russia, expect the US to 'balance' this with armaments and 'advisors' to Columbia. Notice the pretext Mr. Uribe uses to break off the peace talks; "Chavez spoke with the Columbian general". What?! AHHH!!! If he speaks directly to the people on the ground, this might circumvent the instructions from Washington.
This is not unusual for US interests. Democracy doesn't work when it conflicts with the US agenda. There is no chance for real democracy when the poor so overwhelmingly outnumber the rich and there is no consistent middle class. The numbers simply do not favor US interests, as was the case in Palestine, as is the case in Pakistan. The Empire cannot achieve its plans under a democratic system when the poor so heavily outnumber the rich. BEWARE BRAZIL, BECAUSE HERE IS THE TRAP. EVERY DAY THE POOR BECOME MORE WEARY OF THEIR BURDEN. EVERY DAY THE MIDDLE-CLASS SHRINKS. EVERY DAY YOU COME CLOSER TO GIVE YOUR COUNTRY BACK TO THE GENERALS. Chavez has the finances to pick up the torch. Does he have the wisdom to carry it in the right direction? Uribe needs to understand that if he allows his country to be used to destabilize Venezuela he will in affect be burning his neighbors house and the fire will surely burn his own.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 30, 2007
Ricardo: I don’t know.

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Joao: If you don't know who is your enemy, you cant plan your military strategy, unless you consider everyone to be your enemy.

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Ricardo: You have to be prepared to handle any possibility.

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Ricardo: But most people don’t know world history much less Brazilian history. I would not be surprised to find out that more than 50 percent of the Brazilian population does not know that there were 3 foreign invasions against Brazil.

The French invaded Brazil twice – once in the North of Brazil and another time in the area around Rio de Janeiro. And the Dutch invaded the area around Recife and Olinda in Pernambuco – and took 24 years for the Brazilians to throw them out and defeat them.


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Joao: I know the history and have visited the historical battlefield where we defeated the Dutch. The lady tour guide lamented the fact that the Dutch were defeated, believe it or not! It was a long time ago and I hope that they have not constructed high rise buildings on that spot.


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Ricardo: July 2000 – “Overpopulated”

http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/6963/73/


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Joao: I was very busy all through the day and could not find time to read it. Finally, I did BECAUSE you do write interesting articles. However, I found lots of contradictions between 2002 and NOW. Please do allow me to cite a few:
The population in Brazil grew as follows:

YEAR POPULATION

1500 0

1600 100,000

1700 300,000

1800 3,250,000

1900 17,000,000

2000 170,000,000


Joao: In year 1500, the population of Brasil was 0 (Zero), according to your stats. Did the census exclude the native Indians we were trying to make as slaves or they were not considered to be humans?


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Ricardo: In 1500 the first group of Portuguese explorers who went to Brazil got in contact with only a hand full of native Brazilian Indians. We are talking about a few thousand Portuguese and a very small number of native Brazilian Indians.

Maybe I should have made a note explaining that in detail. I used the zero number because the numbers that we are talking about were immaterial since they were so small.
They started counting the native Brazilian Indians on the statistics figures, but only the ones who were in contact and working with the Portuguese.

By the way, when the Dutch invaded the North of Brazil they were the first people to bring black slaves from Africa to work on their sugar plantations in Brazil. The slave trade of blacks it was introduced in Brazil by the Dutch and the first black slaves were working in the state of Pernambuco. The Dutch were responsible for starting the slave trade with Brazil.

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Replt to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 30, 2007
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Ricardo: With the accelerated advances in technology and automation which we have today in the United States, the optimum population for the United States probably should be reduced to an even lower amount of people. Maybe the country should not have a population larger than 120 million people.


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Joao: Here you are writing for the American audience, obviously.

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Ricardo: Most people don't understand and don't give much thought to the power of geometric progression (exponential growth) and its effect on population growth. For example, to show the power of exponential growth, in the 1980's more than 10 million legal and illegal immigrants arrived in the United States. This group of people will grow in numbers to approximately 25 million people by the year 2035.

To give another example, the estimated 25 million total legal and illegal immigrants who came to the United States during the 20-year period from 1980 to 2000, will grow to approximately 60 million people by the year 2040.

Government officials and the business community only think of their immediate needs of keeping labor costs down. They never think about the consequence of a growing population on future generations and its impact on the future of the country.

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Joao: I do understand about what is geometrical or exponential growth. There again, your target readers were Americans.

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Ricardo: No, my target readers for this information were not the Americans – I just used the 2 independent American studies about optimum population level in the United States to make the point about the optimum population level that we should have in Brazil based on Brazil’s size, resources, and so on….

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Ricardo: There are two policies, which the Brazilian government should adopt immediately to put Brazil on the right path for its future. First, the Brazilian government should put in place a policy to reduce its population from its current 170 million people to a target of 100 million people by a certain attainable date.

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Joao: What is your proposal to reduce the population of Brazil to a "manageable one of 100 millions". Ethnic cleansing? Please do specify.

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Ricardo: Through government policies to discourage people from having more than 2 children – through taxation and so on…

I am not suggesting ethnic cleansing. There are policies that the government can adopt to discourage population growth and that can be done in a rational and humane way.

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Finally:

Ricardo: Second, the Brazilian government should adopt the "Euro" as its new currency. The adoption of the "Euro" by Brazil would help the country to move economically into the 21st century. These would be the major two steps, which Brazil could take today which could have the most beneficial result for its future. These policies would have a positive impact not only socially but also economically. These policies would help update the Brazilian economy and move it in the right direction in the new millennium.

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Joao: In 2002 you proposed that Brasil should adopt Euro. 5 years later, you are suggesting that we adopt the Asian Currency. Why did you change your mind?

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Ricardo: I proposed that Brazil adopt the euro as its new currency from 1998 to 2004.
Since 2005 I changed my mind and I have been writing and justifying why I changed my mind regarding the euro and why Brazil should adopt instead the new Asian currency.


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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, November 30, 2007
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Joao: Ricardo, your latest article was very good proposing building of infrastructure for Brasil, generating millions of employment. The building of Nuclear reactors to kill the project of building dams was very good indeed (with or without the Chinese money). I must confess that you do disappoint me by proposing that we build Nukes to defend our country. Instead, we channelize our "Brain Power" from ITA, IME, Federal Universities to research and develop new technologies to suit our needs and for COMMERCIAL applications. We do have talents and why don't we give a little more attention to them?


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Ricardo: We can do both – develop the other areas and also develop a nuclear weapons program – by the way, there is plenty of first-rate brain-power available around the world at very reasonable pay rates for Brazil to hire to implement the nuclear weapons program.

There is nothing wrong in hiring the foreign brain power to achieve these goals just look at how the United States was able to develop its nuclear and also space programs – the real brain behind the US achievements on these areas were done by using the best brain power that they could get from Europe – and most of the real thinkers and the brilliant people that helped the US develop all that technology they were foreigners.

There are plenty of Russian scientists and also scientists from the old Soviet Empire that would like to find a good job in that field anywhere around the world. Why not in Brazil?

People who want to stop Brazil from developing Nuclear weapons would bring up all kinds of excuses including poverty in Brazil and so on….

But the truth is it costs a lot less money to build nuclear weapons today than it did in the past because of advances in all kinds of technologies.

It is mind boggling to me that people can’t grasp that even one the poorest country in the world with a very small population and very scarce financial resources was able to build nuclear bombs – I am talking about North Korea.

A country with a population of the size of the great metropolitan area of Sao Paulo and very meager resources was able to develop nuclear bombs and project the image to the rest of the world of a country capable to develop very advanced nuclear technology.

Here is the big boys club:

The United Nations Security Council consists of five permanent members (the People's Republic of China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States), which have veto power over any resolution, and ten temporary members, which are elected for two-year terms by the United Nations General Assembly.

The five permanent members of the UN Security Council:

The People’s Republic of China
The French Republic
The Russian Federation
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
The United States of America

Note: All five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council are countries armed with nuclear weapons.

This is the elite club – countries not armed with nuclear weapons should not waste time applying for a position in this club since this is the grown ups club.


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Now on an unrelated matter to the above subject.

Tomorrow I am supposed to go to New York City and attend a private c**ktail in honor to former president Jose Sarney. This will be the third time that I meet president Sarney in 2007.

It is always a pleasure to see him again.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2007
Now on an unrelated matter to the above subject.

Tomorrow I am supposed to go to New York City and attend a private c**ktail in honor to former president Jose Sarney. This will be the third time that I meet president Sarney in 2007.

It is always a pleasure to see him again.


That is great and I hope you will get an opportunity to discuss some of your ideas with him and get his opinion too. As we all know, he still wields lot of power. All the best and please do make sure to keep us informed of the outcome your discussions.
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written by bo, November 30, 2007
Costinha/Bo
written by aes, 2007-11-29 06:55:24
Why dont you keep your dumb, Southern, cracker ass in your pants? Hehehehe!



WTF aes? This is the first time I've been to this site in weeks. If anyone has seen a post by "bo" in the last two weeks it simply wasn't me. But from what I see you've just clumped my name in with costinha's for some reason.....wtf?
can you keep what you make safe from others
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, November 30, 2007
The most recent came to light on Thursday, when police in Bratislava, Slovakia—the very town in which George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin signed a pact on nuclear safeguards in 2005—announced the arrests of two Hungarians and a Ukrainian trying to sell a pound or so of highly enriched uranium from the former Soviet Union for $1 million. "That's the biggest case in quite a number of years," says Matthew Bunn, a proliferation expert at Harvard. In an Associated Press story on the incident, an official with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Richard Hoskins, was quoted as saying that last year alone the nuclear watchdog had registered 252 reported cases of radioactive materials that were stolen, missing, smuggled or in the possession of unauthorized individuals. That's a 385 percent increase since 2002, he noted.

Well, maybe I'm just whistling past the graveyard, since I live in Washington, D.C., which is supposed to be the ultimate target for every Islamist terrorist worthy of the name. But when I dug into the details of those stats, I wasn't especially unnerved. In fact, I was somewhat heartened. First, according to Hoskins, that 385 percent increase can actually be seen "as a measure of success," because so many more countries are now tracking and reporting incidents since 2002, when the IAEA database was formed. Ninety-nine countries are now cooperating; in recent years even roguish nonsignatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty like Pakistan and India have joined the database. So has China, despite "a huge bureaucratic system that I don't think is working 100 percent," Hoskins told me. The vast majority of those 252 cases are small-scale ones involving industrial radioactive material like what one might find in medical isotopes or moisture-density gauges used in highway construction. Of the cases reported since the IAEA database began in 1993, only 18 involve nuclear bomb-making material, and Hoskins believes that "nearly all" were recovered.


lets give everone bombs
with the understanding that if it goes off any where other than the place it is
to be at that country gets bombed back to the stoneage its people are punshed to the very
end of time

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written by bo, November 30, 2007
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written by David Mendoza, 2007-11-26 11:00:11
I think not having nuclear weapons gives the country a moral superiority.



How could anyone ever make this statement in regards to brazil? Moral superiority? That was the best one I've heard in months. Spit my coffee all over the keyboard.
Nuclear Weapons
written by Marcílio Breckenfeld, November 30, 2007
Here comes another preposterous proposal. Brazil sould not pursue nuclear weapons. smilies/angry.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, November 30, 2007
BEWARE BRAZIL, BECAUSE HERE IS THE TRAP. EVERY DAY THE POOR BECOME MORE WEARY OF THEIR BURDEN. EVERY DAY THE MIDDLE-CLASS SHRINKS. EVERY DAY YOU COME CLOSER TO GIVE YOUR COUNTRY BACK TO THE GENERALS.


Excuse me Llyod, to whom are you addressing this warning? We all know that the middle class is shrinking and soon will become poor.
Amaral
written by aes, November 30, 2007
Note: All five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council are countries armed with nuclear weapons.

China was admitted to the U.N. long before she had nuclear weapons.

Israel had nuclear weapons as far back as '61 and she wasn't admitted to the U.N. Security Council. She is never considered in the U.N. as having any importance. She is, except for her ability to retaliate devistatingly merely an insignificant dot on the map.

India and Pakistan have had nuclear weapons for nearly a decade and they are not considred to be significant enough for membership to the Security Council.

So membership to the Security Council is based upon what? Power to influence the world? So the question is what power does Brazil possess to influence the world. Brazil firstly has an army that is falling apart. A radar system that is blinking on and off; an airforce with planes that are mostly grounded; aging and inoperable tanks; officers that are underpayed and disgruntled. The infrastructure also contributes to this. Brazil has no roads, no system of highwasys crisscrossing her. Brazil is a giant tied to the ground by Liliputians. People that are small thinkers, in power but incapable of planning and implementing on a scale necessary to be considered a significant global player.

Canada is very similar to Brazil. They have all the natural resources; they even have an army, though they are pacifists at heart. They are not considered important enough to be members of the Security Council either.

Is that what Brazil wants? To be a permanent member of the Security Council? The 'big players' regard the U.N. as irrelevant. They know that the U.N. can do nothing. It is insignificant. At its inception it had great promise, but it has fallen into disrepaire; it is filled with delusion, corruption and irrelevancy.

Why would Brazil give a damn about the U.N. It is an impotent forum. Brazil should focus on herself before she focuses on the world outside herself. Brazil should begin at the begining with roads, water, sanitation, education, law enforcement, and the establishment of a military that is well armed (not singular armed with an atomic weapon); with tanks, personel carriers, and a well oiled airforce; supported by an infrastructure of runways, roads and communication systems that include radar.

If Brazil were to accomplish all of this Brazil would be powerul, be greater than France, England, any country in Western Europe. Brazil needs to focus. To focus on herself.
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written by João da Silva, November 30, 2007
This is the first time I've been to this site in weeks.


Gross dereliction of duties on your part for having gone on AWOL smilies/wink.gif
bo (bão)
written by costinha, November 30, 2007
it's your body odor...
Brazil Population
written by Lloyd Cata, December 01, 2007
Thank you all for allowing my comments here. This is a very helpful forum that I hope some in Brazil government would
consider.

I find it very interesting that you would consider the Brazil population starting in 1500 at 0 persons. This is the kind of thinking
that is racist, and class driven. The indigenous people obviously DO NOT COUNT, eh? Also today in the minds of the phony aristocracy they still don't count. This is the complete legitimization of dehumanizing a people. In this Brazil follows the bad example of the Americans. The American Indians still do not count, so even to this day their property is still being stolen. All you hear about is the Indians that have casinos. Maybe Brazil will do the same, but let me ask something here, "Do you think anything good can come from the genocide of all the indigenous people around the world?"
Those people of European ancestry try to act like they are superior to other races, but they would not be so superior if they were still in Europe. In fact even if they returned, they are considered bastards. Ten thousand years the indigenous people lived and worked in harmony with the Earth. Once the Euros enter their space, they die in ONE GENERATION. For the original people they have been already hit with Weapons of Mass Destruction.
It does not take nuclear weapons to defeat an enemy. It takes a people who are determined to fight to the last man, woman, and child. This was the lesson that many have found as the US found in Vietnam, and now Iraq.
BTW, no one comment that if Argentina had nuclear weapon then the British would never take the Malvinas, eh?
Question - When the US promotes conflict between Venezuela and Columbia, who will Brazil support? The one thing that must be surely understood is that Mr. Chavez will not be allowed to become the next Fidel Castro.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, December 01, 2007
Thank you all for allowing my comments here. This is a very helpful forum that I hope some in Brazil government would
consider.


You are most welcome,Llyod. In fact the readers of this forum, both Brazilians and ex-pat foreigners exchange their points of view freely and debate. Of course, some foreigners who have never stepped into Brasil like to give us unsolicited advice, which we naturally resent.

I find it very interesting that you would consider the Brazil population starting in 1500 at 0 persons. This is the kind of thinking
that is racist, and class driven.


If you read all the posts, I was the first one to raise question about this stat and our friend Ricardo Amaral gave a satisfactory response.Surely, I would not consider Ricardo to be a racist.

Regarding the other points you have raised in your latest post, I would let other readers to express their opinions.

US will not have to promot them
written by Forest Brown, December 01, 2007
would not be in best for that too happen as chaves in the 4 largest oil provider to the US

if war came the oil would stop or chaves would expect the US to stop coulmbia

so when it comes it will be over the part of land they have been fighting over from over
80 years from lugna maricobo to the plata punta
cloumbias largest oil feild
Ditto
written by jakob, December 01, 2007
Nicely put, aes at 2007-11-30 10:39:26

To conclude my contribution to this discussion thread, it would be much more appropriate for Brazil to develop a type of "soft power" leadership (as defined by the renowned Harvard prof. Joseph Nye) ... Brazil has all the preconditions to influence everybody and everything on this planet but ONLY if its citizens and leadership stay true to themselves, and stop trying to become a paler version of a northern-hemisphere-type military power through the acquisition of the bomb...

Let's be realistic and understand that Brazil will *never ever* be able to intimidate anybody with its military. However methinks all the ingredients (pleasant climate, pleasant culture, bountiful resources...) are here for Brazil to develop into a new, even better version of "land of the free". (Unfortunately USA stopped being that long time ago.)
Reply to Lloyd Cata
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 01, 2007
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Lloyd Cata: “I find it very interesting that you would consider the Brazil population starting in 1500 at 0 persons. This is the kind of thinking that is racist, and class driven. The indigenous people obviously DO NOT COUNT, eh? Also today in the minds of the phony aristocracy they still don't count. This is the complete legitimization of dehumanizing a people. In this Brazil follows the bad example of the Americans. The American Indians still do not count, so even to this day their property is still being stolen. All you hear about is the Indians that have casinos. Maybe Brazil will do the same, but let me ask something here, "Do you think anything good can come from the genocide of all the indigenous people around the world?"”


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Ricardo: You call me a racist because I did not give you all the little detail for you to be able to understand a very simple idea. I want to remind you that your politically correct type of thinking is a recent trend and not what happened in past history. Get off your high horse and ask me a question why I used that information since you were not able to figure out by yourself.

In the chapter of my book about Brazilian history that I discuss the historical Brazilian population from 1500 to 1822 I give a lot more detail than I did on my article about population – basically because the purpose of the article was different from the purpose of the information on the book.

Let explain in way that you might understand. Here we are in the year 1500 – Pedro Alvarez Cabral discovers Brazil. At that time there were just a few hundred people who came from Europe and they had better things to do than go around taking a census – things such as build new shelters, start planting things for them to be able to eat minor stuff like that.

For you to have an idea how few people they had in the year 1500 – by the year 1600 the official population of Brazil was estimated at 100,000 people including 30,000 white, and 70,000 between mesticos, blacks and native Indians. At that time they had just a handful of blacks in Brazil.

As you can see 100 years later by the year 1600 the white European population in Brazil had increased only to 30,000 people.

Historians estimate that in 1500 when the Europeans arrived in Brazil the native Brazilian Indian population was estimated to be around 5 million people – and today we have less than 250,000 native Brazilian Indians left in Brazil. It is a disgrace what has happened to the Brazilian Indians in Brazil but that is another story.

As you said: “the kind of thinking that is racist, and class driven”

I can assure you that it was not racist or class driven – it was culture driven.

Because of your comments I have to assume that you don’t know how the records were kept in the 1500’s and 1600’s which is a real problem for historians.

In those days the church kept the records of almost everything – the priests recorded on their books when people born, got married, and died. They also kept the records of a lot more stuff related to the way society worked of those days.

When the Portuguese arrived in Brazil in 1500 they also brought with them the Catholic Church and their priests and ways of doing things and the priests recorded all the information related to the white Europeans – that’s why the historians were able to get the information available from that period of time.

On the other hand, the Paje (the person responsible for the religious rituals of the native Brazilian Indians in each tribe) did not keep a book of records like the Catholic Church to register when an Indian was born, got married, and died, by the way, the Indians were not issued birth certificates also.

I hope you can grasp that in 1500 they lived on a complete different world than we live today.

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My family fought to protect the Native Brazilian Indians more than anybody else.
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 01, 2007
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You also said: “Those people of European ancestry try to act like they are superior to other races, but they would not be so superior if they were still in Europe.”

Your opinion is wrong again – at least regarding Brazilian history.

My ancestor, Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva wrote a document in June 1, 1823 “Apontamentos Para a Civilizacao dos Indios Bravos do Imperio do Brasil”.

Quoting from my book: “Jose Bonifacio’s document had a major influence on all future legislation related to Native Brazilian Indians. His document served as the basis for the Emperial Decree # 426 dated July 24, 1845. This decree provided guidelines and regulations regarding the Native Indians missions, religious instruction, and the general civilization of the Native Brazilian Indians.”

In 1910 the government of Brazil, now a Republic, used Jose Bonifacio’s document as a source of information, when they designed and organized the “Servico de Protecao aos Indios” (Service for the Protection of the Native Indians.”

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 01, 2007
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Joao da Silva: “That is great and I hope you will get an opportunity to discuss some of your ideas with him and get his opinion too. As we all know, he still wields lot of power. All the best and please do make sure to keep us informed of the outcome your discussions.”


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Ricardo: Yes we had a very pleasant conversation just the two of us and I mentioned to him my last article about China investing US$ 200 billion in Brazil.

He asked me to send a copy of that article directly to him to his private email.

Afterwards my friend Domicio and his wife went out to a restaurant for dinner with president Sarney and his wife and I returned to New Jersey. I left my car in New Jersey and I took the bus and subway in Manhattan since this time of the year they don’t recommend that people drive in New York City because of traffic gridlock.

Tomorrow president Sarney is returning to Brazil.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, December 02, 2007
Ricardo: Yes we had a very pleasant conversation just the two of us and I mentioned to him my last article about China investing US$ 200 billion in Brazil.

He asked me to send a copy of that article directly to him to his private email.


Excellent. Lets hope he analyzes your ideas and accepts at least part of them. it is easier for him to sell the ideas to rest of the government. One of the projects you have proposed is high speed universal Internet access . This is urgently needed in the region where he comes from in order to use it for educational purposes. I don't think that the privatized telephone companies are interested. But who knows, the military may be interested if they are given funds. IME , ITA and Federal Universities still produce good brains and we will be able to make use of them.
Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras (AMAN)
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 03, 2007
I know President Sarney still is today one of the most influential politicians in Brazil.
This time around I thought President Sarney did look a little frail when compared with the other times when I saw him a few months ago. It looks to me like he lost some weight.

I did send a copy of my 4-part series of articles to Helio Costa the Communications Minister – I knew him well since we worked together at Globo TV in New York for about 2 years before he returned to Brazil to run for Dep**ado Federal.

I have a question for you.

In the 1970’s when I was getting my Economics degree here in the US – I did try to keep informed about what was going on in Brazil – during a period of about 10 years the mainstream media here in the US used to talk about the Brazilian economic miracle.

Around that time I did read various articles giving partial credit for what the militaries were doing in Brazil regarding the economy to the education that they got at the “Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras.”

The articles used to mention that the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras was one of the best places in Brazil at that time for anyone to learn about the subject of economics.

My question for you is: Do you know if today the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras still is one of the best places in Brazil for people to learn about economics?

In the 1960’s and 1970’s the people who graduated from the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras had a very good grasp of the subject of economics.

Do you know if the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras still have the same influence in that area that they had in the past?



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This information I got from their website.

A Cadeira de Economia ministra a disciplina Economia e Finanças aos cadetes do 3º ano dos diferentes cursos da AMAN. Compreendendo uma carga horária de 60 horas, a disciplina faz uma abordagem introdutória das Ciências Econômicas. Desse modo, oferece ao futuro oficial do Exército instrumentos fundamentais para o desenvolvimento de sua capacidade de análise do ambiente sócio-econômico do Brasil e do mundo.

Dividida em unidades didáticas, a disciplina de Economia se apresenta estruturada em cinco blocos:

I - Definição e Objetivo da Economia
II - Doutrinas Econômicas
III - Noções de Microeconomia
IV - Noções de Macroeconomia
V - Finanças Públicas

Os professores da Cadeira de Economia são oficiais do Exército, todos bacharéis em Ciências Econômicas e, a maioria, pós-graduado com Especialização ou Mestrado, o que revela um corpo docente altamente qualificado.

http://www.aman.ensino.eb.br/econ/


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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2007
AMAN is basically a military academy like West Point or Sandhurst. So it is not a college to study just economy, the officer cadets are taught various subjects related to International Relations,Economics and Management.

As far as I can remember, the info you read on their contribution is to the "Miracle" is correct and we should not forget the Economists from FGV that worked closely with the AMAN trained officers. AMAN graduates,after serving in the Army for a few years,left it to join state run companies to occupy Managerial positions. They did extremely well and contributed to the growth of the Brazilian economy. Quite receptive to new ideas and quick to implement.

My question for you is: Do you know if today the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras still is one of the best places in Brazil for people to learn about economics?


As I said it is a military academy. A friend of mine who has a son in AMAN says that it is still good in spite of the demoralization of our Armed Forces. However, for those who do not want to pursue a Military career, the option is still FGV.

Do you know if the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras still have the same influence in that area that they had in the past?


They started losing influence beginning 90's because of privatizations, demoralization of military and cosntant military bashing
Ricardo Amaral/AMAN
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2007
Sorry, I pressed the wrong key and the comment was sent right in the middle of my typing.

Contd:

They started losing influence beginning 90's because of privatizations, demoralization of military and constant military bashing. Many of them retired and did not want to know anything about politics. However, with the revival of Brazilian society's interest in our armed forces and the government's plan to strengthen our defense industries, graduates of AMAN, ITA and IME may start exercising influence again.

FYI, as far as know there is only one AMAN graduate who went into politics and but not well known nationally. He is Jair Bolsonaro, a Federal Deputy from RJ. He is not from the governing parties, but is from one called PP, which is an off shoot of ARENA/PDS to which your friend Sarney belonged. If you want to know more about him, please go directly to his website:

http://www.bolsonaro.com.br

It might be interesting to see his reaction to your article, though I doubt if he would be interested in Nukes or getting the Chinese money!!

Hope some of our fellow Brazilian bloggers clarify your questions further.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 03, 2007
Thank you for the information.

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Regarding the Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras (AMAN)
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 03, 2007
I hope that the government gives the proper funding to AMAN to bring it back to its glory days.
Anyway, funding an institution of higher learning sucg as AMAN it is a good investment for the future of Brazil.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2007
I hope that the government gives the proper funding to AMAN to bring it back to its glory days.
Anyway, funding an institution of higher learning sucg as AMAN it is a good investment for the future of Brazil.


I think that the Military did give lots of importance to education. One of the best Ministers of Education Brasil had was Jarbas Passarinho, who retired from the Army as a Col and did a good job as a minister. He was later elected as a Senator of the Republic from the state of Pará and he performed his role well too. I have not heard of him lately and he probably decided to enjoy the autumn of his life away from Politics.If I recall correctly, he was a graduate of AMAN too.A great guy.
BIgger Fish to Fry
written by John McCarty, December 03, 2007
What alot of nonsense. Who in the world is going to attack Brazil to steal water and food? Most of Brazil's neighbors enjoy similar resources. Chavez is a clown. Brazil is certainly taken seriously in the international community, it doesn't need an atomic weapon for that. Does anyone think that the boys in Washington would stand by idly if Brazil needed a few Marines?

(Bill- do you seriously think the few dozen or so Marines the US had in Haiti actually went to help the "occupation" of Iraq? That's like saying any of the other countries that "helped" in Iraq did anything of significance: 130,000 Americans; next largest force, the Brits, what, 5,000? c'mon. Also, N. Korea´s missiles fly about a mile. They'd have to Fed Ex a bomb to its target...)

This idea, the A bomb, is about as brilliant as Lula building elevators in the favelas. After the Great Depression in 1930's America the government put the unemployed people to work building highways and other public works. You could empty the favelas, put those people to work, and at the same time improave the country's infrastructure. Better idea than an A-bomb?
John McCarty
written by João da Silva, December 03, 2007
This idea, the A bomb, is about as brilliant as Lula building elevators in the favelas.


You seem to be pretty well informed! I too had a big laugh hearing the news about the elevators.

Re the Brazilian A Bomb or Nuclear Submarine: I think that the good General wanted to put the fear of God into the idiots who are ignoring the Technological & Scientific research and development projects compatible with the Brasilian needs. Such projects will create jobs for our our engineers and scientists and thousands of other skilled and no skilled personnel.

Chavez is a clown.


I am not going to dispute this fact.

You could empty the favelas, put those people to work, and at the same time improave the country's infrastructure. Better idea than an A-bomb?


Ricardo has discussed some good ideas in his article to improve the infrastructure. I am sure he will be convinced that there is no need to build an A-Bomb!!
ch.c.
written by Eduardo C., December 04, 2007
Lula, we want the Bomb..and space tecnology now!!
Ch.c. you gat a big horn from a Brazilian lady.
We are very patriotic..you pussy..wait and ..you will see..wat we can do
Here is the reality of the future - The United States represents the past.
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 04, 2007
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"Rise of India and China will lead to a new world order"
By: Jonathan Manthorpe
Published: Monday, December 03, 2007
The Vancouver Sun

In the deal between Washington and New Delhi under which India is forgiven for having ignored every treaty in the book on nuclear power we have been given a glimpse into the future.

And the future is going to be a difficult place for countries like Canada.

The rule-based international system that we and like-minded countries have spent so much effort putting in place for the last century or so is not going to survive the rise to superpower status of India and China.

They will make their own rules and impose their own values.

In an unusual moment of realism, the administration of president George W. Bush recognized this when it decided it was better to be India's nuclear partner than to continue berating New Delhi for having shot the carefully constructed nuclear management regime full of holes.

Canada, still smoldering with resentment that it was a Candu reactor that India used in the early 1970s to provide the makings for its first nuclear weapon, has yet to make the same leap.

But, as C. Raja Mohan, a former member of India's National Security Advisory Board, said here last week, Canada and similar small but wealthy western countries should take a cool, hard-nosed look into the future and decide where their best interests lie.

Speaking in a lecture series sponsored by the BMO Financial Group and the Canadian Institute for International Affairs, Mohan said he does not think the western world has grasped the full implications of the rise of Asia, especially India and China.

Both, he said, will match or overtake the superpower status of the United States within 30 years. And with combined populations of about 2.5 billion people the demands India and China are going to make on world resources once they begin to achieve real prosperity is almost beyond imagination.

A major challenge for both countries will be to avoid their contest to control resources leading to military confrontations.

But Mohan said he expects both countries to continue the already evident contest for access to resources, especially energy.

Neither country fully accepts the Western belief that they should trust the marketplace to provide the resources they need to develop. They want control.

So it would be a big mistake for western countries, Mohan said, to imagine that China and India as superpowers will slot into the template for international behaviour that has been created by the nations of the North Atlantic basin.

It is in the nature of superpowers throughout history that they fashion the international system to meet their own interests, and China and India will be no different, he said.

Mohan pointed out that although India is the world's largest democracy, it does not automatically support other democratic countries rather than authoritarian regimes. In its support for the regimes in Sudan and Burma (Myanmar), for example, New Delhi has made a classic trade-off between its values and its national interest in securing access to the resources of those two countries.

Despite that, Mohan said, India's political and social attitudes stem from the West. Indeed, "India is the most important place outside the West that is built on the values of the Enlightenment. We may well become the leader of the West in the future."

But as the experience of New Delhi's refusal to go along with the rules of the international nuclear club has shown, India is going to be a revisionist power, Mohan said.
"The issue for countries like Canada is if India and China have the power to change the rules, you are going to have to deal with it. You can have as many international norms as you like, but if India and China have the power to ignore them, you are going to have deal with it," he said.
"If India and China decide to melt the ice cap, you are going to have to deal with it."

Source:

http://www.canada.com/vancouve...084a41360d



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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, December 04, 2007
Hi Ricardo

Here is the reality of the future - The United States represents the past.


Wrong.

Since I have known all the countries mentioned by you (except China), let me try to rebut the article.

In an unusual moment of realism, the administration of president George W. Bush recognized this when it decided it was better to be India's nuclear partner than to continue berating New Delhi for having shot the carefully constructed nuclear management regime full of holes.


The "Namoro" of U.S with India started long before Bush. It was Clinton who initiated it. Remember that U.S. has a powerful lobby of Indians. The Americans want to sell Nuclear Reactors to India and don't want to get involved in their A-Bomb projects. Even the Brazilians want to join the bandwagon.Kissinger started the "Namoro" with China and Cinton started with India.

Canada, still smoldering with resentment that it was a Candu reactor that India used in the early 1970s to provide the makings for its first nuclear weapon, has yet to make the same leap.


I don't think that Canada is smoldering with resentment. Remember that Canada has also a powerful Indian and Chinese lobbies. B.C is a perfect example.

Speaking in a lecture series sponsored by the BMO Financial Group and the Canadian Institute for International Affairs, Mohan said he does not think the western world has grasped the full implications of the rise of Asia, especially India and China.


Mohan is right and fortunately the Brasilians are slowly but steadily grasping the importance of these two countries. Since we have no territorial and colonial ambitions like the Brits ,Spanish and Portuguese, we can do good business with them.

Mohan pointed out that although India is the world's largest democracy, it does not automatically support other democratic countries rather than authoritarian regimes. In its support for the regimes in Sudan and Burma (Myanmar), for example, New Delhi has made a classic trade-off between its values and its national interest in securing access to the resources of those two countries.


Shame on India for not taking a firm stance over Tibet and getting cowed down by the Chinese in Burma.India is supposed to be a democracy. I fully disapprove of this negative attitude.

Despite that, Mohan said, India's political and social attitudes stem from the West. Indeed, "India is the most important place outside the West that is built on the values of the Enlightenment. We may well become the leader of the West in the future."


Here Mohan may have a point. Indians and Chinese may not become leaders of the West, but surely independent and self sufficient.

But as the experience of New Delhi's refusal to go along with the rules of the international nuclear club has shown, India is going to be a revisionist power, Mohan said.
"The issue for countries like Canada is if India and China have the power to change the rules, you are going to have to deal with it. You can have as many international norms as you like, but if India and China have the power to ignore them, you are going to have deal with it," he said.
"If India and China decide to melt the ice cap, you are going to have to deal with it."


There again he is right. I don't think that the Chinese and Indians are too worried about U.S and Canada.They laugh at the resource less Europe and are looking forward to establishing a strong relationship with ANOTHER giant of the Americas. BRASIL.

Just think. If Brazil does not take an attitude, it is bound to f**k up a free lunch-as usual.Unfortunately, as Ch.c constantly reminds us, Brasil wants to export everything to other countries ,but slaps a high tariff rate on imports.



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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 05, 2007
I said: "Here is the reality of the future - The United States represents the past."

You said: "Wrong."

I live in the United States I see first hand that the United States is in complete free fall.

I can't believe how fast the United States is declining - it is happening all around us on a daily basis.

It is like standing on top of quicksand and realizing that you are sinking very fast.

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Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 05, 2007
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Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream
By NINA BERNSTEIN and ELIZABETH DWOSKIN
Published: December 4, 2007
The New York Times

Like hundreds of thousands of middle-class Brazilians who moved to the United States over the last two decades, Jose Osvandir Borges and his wife, Elisabeth, came on tourist visas and stayed as illegal immigrants, putting down roots in ways they never expected.

After packing up their plasma-screen TV, scholastic trophies and other fruits of 12 prosperous years in the Ironbound in Newark, the couple and their American-born daughter, Marianna, 10, were scheduled to fly back to Brazil for good this morning. They expect their son, Thiago, 21, to follow in a year or two, despite his reluctance to leave the only land that feels like home.

… That decision — to give up on life in the United States — is being made by more and more Brazilians across the country, according to consular officials, travel agencies swamped by one-way ticket bookings, and community leaders in the neighborhoods that Brazilian immigrants have transformed, from Boston to Pompano Beach, Fla.

No one can say how many are leaving. But in the last half year, the reverse migration has become unmistakable among Brazilians in the United States, a population estimated at 1.1 million by Brazil’s government — four to five times the official census figures.

… In Massachusetts, says Fausto da Rocha, the founder of the Boston-area Brazilian Immigrant Center, his compatriots — many here illegally — are leaving by the thousands, some after losing homes in the subprime mortgage crisis. In New York and New Jersey, travel agents and others who sell airline seats say that one-way bookings to Brazil have more than doubled since last year, to about 150 daily from Kennedy International Airport, and that flights are sold out through February.

And at Brazil’s consulate in Miami, which serves Brazilians in five Southeastern states, officials said a recent survey of moving companies and travel agencies confirmed what they had already surmised from their foot traffic: More Brazilians are leaving the region than arriving — the reversal of an upward curve that seemed unstoppable as recently as 2005, when Brazilians unable to meet tightened visa requirements were sneaking across the United States-Mexico border in record numbers…


Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12...REOVERNEWS


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By the way, Brazilians are not the only group of people who gave up on the United States.
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 05, 2007
There are a lot more people giving up on the American dream than the mainstream media realizes. It takes a while for them to catch on what is happening.

I knew that thousands of Brazilians were returning to Brazil and I have mentioned about that trend on my comments.


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FORREST ALLEN BROWN
written by angelinajolie, December 05, 2007
I thought you already knew what exactly happen in Cuba?????? Remember Forrest, the fiasco started within the United States of American Intelligence Agency Department. Forrest remember these words.......... THE CIA.
Ricardo, don't be too upset
written by angelinajolie, December 05, 2007
American Dreams. Do you really want to know my American Dreams Ricardo???????

The last time I always tell myself that I wanted to build a castle with Mickey Mouse. I want to play, sleep and eat in that castle alone. I know it sounds truly stupid especially now mixing with diplomats. If some of them reading this..especially the one from Latin America...... they might think that I need a rest for the whole year..
China and India will definitely control the world..but...
written by angelinajolie, December 05, 2007
I do agree with the facts and figures that China and India will be on the march to control the world. However, do not underestimate the small and poor nations. History must not be forgotten but remembered. No matter how strong you are and how rich you are, the time will come when these two nations must learn to obey and respect the rules of governance...respect and loyalty. If they forget these two golden rules there is no way of building their new techno cities on earth. Hu Jin Tao and Man Mohan Singh must not forget their very own history lessons.
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written by aes, December 05, 2007
The air is charged with money here in Brazil. It is charged with export and import figures that have enriched the coffers of government and the bottom lines of banks. Brazil is ressurected, risen from the depths of failed economic and social ideas. Brazil emerges from the bog, the mire the quicksands of self centered myopia and has seen the world. Brazil is a fine aquamarine, cut to perfection, perfect color perfect clarity and in its carat weight a rarity. Brazil rises from the depths like the Nautilus, entoumbing waves dripping off her revealing the massive ship of state that she is. Yes come home to Brazil, the land of opportunity is here, even the magnetic poles of the Earth shift every few thousand millenia. Those who are in the States were wise enough to go, they are wise enough to come home. Brazil, is the 21st century's "land of opportunity".
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, December 05, 2007
I knew that thousands of Brazilians were returning to Brazil and I have mentioned about that trend on my comments.


Are you planning to return too?
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 05, 2007
I am working on a project with my Arab friends related to Brazil - if the project goes forward then I might have to return to Brazil or at least I will need to go to Brazil on a regular basis as the project moves forward.

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Confusion & Ignorance, Socialism is NOT Communism
written by Lloyd Cata, December 05, 2007
A Brazilian, 2007-11-28 13:46:59
- Cuba is not an example for anything simply because socialism is not viable. -

I can only find your critique of Socialism to be quite amusing, since I can only attribute it to confusion or ignorance.
Perhaps you have been indoctrinated backwards. I tend to believe this is the case considering also your racist views.

There are several Socialist governments that govern very effectively. Particularly, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway. They do not advertise or promote that way because they are 'democratic socialists' and govern with popular consent. Their economic principles require very high taxes which are 'shared' by the people. There is very little corruption and very high standard of living. Socialist governments do not have to consist of thugs and gangsters. Even though some socialist countries have a higher standard of living than 'capitalist' countries, many ignorant persons still believe the capitalist model is best.

If the capitalist form of democracy is best, why are your countrymen leaving the US faster than the arrive? Capitalist democracy has turned out to be an imaginary friend that you will see as it follows your people back home. Corrupting them with worthless dollars and eventually putting them where it has put them before; looking down the barrel of a gun.

Good luck to you anyway...your going to need it when the capitalists finish raping your country.
the dream is still alive
written by FORREST ALLEN BROWN, December 05, 2007
but the press and congress is trying to take it away every day

while in brasil gringoes are robed by brasilians
in the US the press does it to us
and by popular demand from the unknowing press
we are sold down the river

we are told by the press we should embrace the 12 million alians in the country
but the culture of the country is at risk as all want to be brasilian amercian , mexican amercians ,houndran americans

not be amercians they want to put there country first and there old way of life first
it will not work in a free socity as the US use to have as what you like offends some other culture
from food to reliogn , sex , politics
Forrest
written by João da Silva, December 06, 2007
we are told by the press we should embrace the 12 million alians in the country
but the culture of the country is at risk as all want to be brasilian amercian , mexican amercians ,houndran americans


I think.Admiral, that you Texas should demand Indpendence fro the rest of U.S. of A and become (again) a Very Lone Star State.That way, I could come and visit u smilies/grin.gif
Ricardo
written by angelinajolie, December 06, 2007
I just hope Uncle Sam will follow your lead.
Hugo Chavez will not be allowed to become the next Fidel Castro.
written by Ricardo Amaral, December 06, 2007
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Lloyd Cata: “Question - When the US promotes conflict between Venezuela and Columbia, who will Brazil support? The one thing that must be surely understood is that Mr. Chavez will not be allowed to become the next Fidel Castro.”


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Ricardo: To answer your question: Right now Brazil is trying to workout a peaceful arrangement between both countries - Venezuela and Colombia.

You also said that Mr. Chavez will not be allowed to become the next Fidel Castro.

Allowed by which country or by whom?

I am sure you are not implying the United States since the United States makes an annual contribution of more than 50 percent of the Venezuelan government budget.

Basically the United States is the major supporter of Hugo Chavez government. Out of Mr. Chavez total government revenue of US$ 55 billion the United States contributes about US$ 30 billion.

The United States contribution is in the form of annual oil purchases from Venezuela.

Here is some detail of Venezuela’s government annual finances.

Budget:
revenues: $54.65 billion
expenditures: $54.61 billion; including capital expenditures of $2.6 billion (2006 est.)

Exports: $65.21 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)
Exports - partners: United States 46.3% of total exports from Venezuela – mostly oil.


Imports: $32.23 billion f.o.b. (2006 est.)
Imports - partners: United States 30.6% of total imports to Venezuela - machinery and equipment, transport equipment, construction materials.


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If you are implying that the Mr. Chavez will not be allowed by the United States to become the next Fidel Castro then the United States has to stop buying oil from Venezuela to teach Hugo Chavez a lesson – in the same way that the United States has been trying to teach a lesson to Fidel Castro for the last 48 years

Castro led the revolution overthrowing Fulgencio Batista in 1959 and Fidel Castro still in power today, but let me see what has happened in the United States during all this time: Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George Little Bush (The Decider.)

Since Fidel Castro became the leader of Cuba in 1959 the United States had 10 presidents and 6 of them are dead, but Castro still calling the shots in Cuba.

If anything Fidel Castro is a symbol of how inept the United States is regarding its perceived enemies - And I am not even mentioning the name of Osama Bin Ladden.


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Ricardo what actually happens to Monica Lewinsky?
written by angelinajolie, December 07, 2007
I am truly interested to know more about her. I just realised that, this lady is the one who is responsible to link Clinton to the most glomourous scandal in the US government history for many, many years.
Fidel Castro and how Bush sees him
written by angelinajolie, December 07, 2007
I personally feel that Bush truly hates Fidel Castro because of different ideology and ways of thinking. Cuba is changing fast and Raul will always respect his brother vision and mission for Cuba. However, Bush always trying his best to capture Cuba in many , many ways. Somehow I still see the differences between this two leaders ways of leadership. Fidel Castro truly enjoys the children choirs while he was in KL the last time while Bush sending in Condi Rice to sing infront of the Malaysian Prime Minister. Remember Ricardo, that photo that I send in to you earlier......

It shows that Fidel Castro truly enjoy watching children singing but Bush truly has another hidden agenda. I guess both of these leaders don't sing and dance to the same tunes anymore..........
what actually happens to Monica?
written by João da Silva, December 07, 2007
Monica is very much alive and active. The last time I saw her was on the front cover of Brazilian "Playboy" in August of 2007. Though she does not want to say how much she received to pose for the picture, I would imagine it was for a sumptuous amount of money.
João da Silva
written by angelinajolie, December 10, 2007
Obrigado!

I just realised that she is also a spy!!!! I thought the cold war is over but I guess I was wrong.
A Comedy of Ignorance
written by Lloyd Cata, December 13, 2007
Is it not wonderful to see the confusion about US economic support for Venezuela, military support for Colombia, embargo against Cuba, colonialism in Haiti, romancing Brazil, and on and on...

President Chavez is the best thing happening for the US. It allows them to import Venezuelan oil and arm Colombia with weapons and 'advisers'(remember Vietnam's advisers). The "War on Drugs", that never really existed, can now be forgotten because there is a better enemy called Chavez. Eventually Chavez will do something to warrant a preemptive strike and we will have ignited a new chaos in South America.
Cuba has survived the criminal embargo and sends doctors, medicine, teachers, and schools. What does the US send? What did they send the Cuban people before Castro? What did they send to Haiti during PapaDoc and what do they send Haiti now? The only real question in all of this is; Would the Haitian people be better off with Fidel Castro than it is presently under US domination, with Brazil's troops to maintain the status quo?
Brazil had better watch out! Your 'boom economy' is being financed by people with plans! Capitalists really have no allegiance except to money. The religion of the greedy; get in early and get out fast!

If they can confuse half the people half the time the other half will always be in chaos. Example: It is taught that business does not like uncertainty or instability, correct? But during uncertainty and instability the price of commodities rise, correct? What happens to the price of oil when US threatens Iran? What will happen to price of oil when war with Venezuela? Either Brazil joins US 'coalition' against Venezuela or maybe Brazil currency and exports reverse their growth.

Comedy becomes satire when you think your losing your head but instead you lose your manhood. Confusion is good; you won't feel a thing. Ignorance becomes good; you won't even know what happened to you.
Please help!!!
written by Scott Fouru, December 13, 2007
nuke br
written by Abil Kahib, February 07, 2008
Brazil dont need a nuclear weapon.. brazil is a peaceful country and the boy says "why pakistan and north korea have NUKE and BR cant have one" .. becouse that countrys is a big s**t in the WORLD.. what is pakistan? what is norht korea????

wake up.. brazil dont need nuke smilies/smiley.gif

bye

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