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Brazil-US: Will Obama Mention the "BRICs" or just the "RICs"? PDF Print E-mail
2009 - January 2009
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Monday, 12 January 2009 15:10

Barack Obama When President Barack Obama assumes office on January 20 can we expect to hear him say the magic word "Brazil"? I would not bet on it although he may refer two or three of the other "BRICs" - Russia, India and China.  Presumably, he will follow his two predecessors - George W. Bush and Bill Clinton - and visit Brazil some day but it is hard to imagine this occurring during President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva's last two years in office.

That is unless a regional crisis arises, which could easily happen depending on what occurs in Cuba after Fidel Castro's death. In this case, we might see Obama and his secretary of state, Hilary Clinton, in Brasília a lot earlier than might be expected.

Although Brazil and the US have differences in a number of areas, such as Cuba, their bilateral relationship is generally good. However, Cuba is key to any improvement in Washington's relations with its Latin American neighbors. If Obama maintains the American ban on trade with Cuba he is missing a golden opportunity to improve the US's image in Latin America and offset the anti-American rhetoric of its main ideological opponent in South America, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.

Obama would be advised to pay a lot of attention to Cuba. There is a realistic chance that Castro will die during Obama's term of office and the new president will come under great domestic pressure to prevent the Communists maintaining their grip. Just as George W. Bush was determined to complete his father's work and topple Saddam Hussein, a young Democrat like Obama might be tempted to try and finish John Kennedy's failed attempt to overthrow Communism in America's backyard.

An American invasion of Cuba seems out of the question but so does any idea that Washington will sit back and watch the transfer of power from one Communist despot to another. "Why are our soldiers fighting Moslem guerrillas in far-off Afghanistan who pose no immediate threat to the US while we let Communists maintain their control of an island only 70 miles off our coast?" will be a typical Republican response. 

Should a crisis over Cuba flare up, then Brazil and Mexico would be the obvious mediators. Just as Obama should prepare for the change in Cuba so should Brazil by drawing up some out some strategies. However, there are no signs of this under the Lula administration which cozies up to Castro and treats him as some kind of romantic freedom fighter instead of the tyrant he is.

By changing its attitude, Brazil could even make some progress with the new administration in its dream of gaining a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council. In its favor, Brazil can point to its successful command of the UN peacekeeping mission in Haiti since 2004. 

For the moment, the US will continue to praise Brazil for assuming this burden but, in turn, will expect the Brazilians to take on much more responsibility before even considering the request for a permanent place on the Security Council.

Deadlock Over Trade

Trade has been the main source of disagreement between Brazil and the Bush administration. The idea of a free trade zone of all the Americas, of which much was spoken four or five years ago, has been quietly ditched by both sides.  Bush and Lula did little to hide their lack of interest and there was never any chance of this idealistic common market stretching from Alaska to Patagonia coming into being.

The chances of any improvement under a more protectionist Democrat president like Obama are remote. The Brazilians will continue to call for an end to US tariffs on imports of orange juice, steel, ethanol etc and the Americans will continue to call for Brazil to open its markets further and tighten up on intellectual property rights etc. The chief US trade negotiator - embodied for a number of years in the figure of the current World Bank chairman, Robert Zoellick - will remain the bogeyman Brazilians love to hate.

One area which looks like failing to live up to its earlier promise is ethanol, at least in the short term. Remember when George Bush came to Brazil in March 2007 and talked up the prospects for ethanol as a renewable fuel and how the two countries would cooperate on developing it? Well those days have gone.

Ethanol produced from sugar cane in Brazil may be cheaper than the US type produced from corn but the Americans are not going to let the Brazilians flood their market with it. At the same time, the sugar alcohol sector in Brazil is being hit by the financial crisis which has dried up credit and put expansion projects on hold.

The former Brazilian agricultural minister, Robert Rodrigues, said in a recent interview with the Estado de S. Paulo newspaper that it would take at least a year before ethanol became a global commodity, a forecast which seems optimistic to say the least.

The current financial crisis in the US will affect millions of Brazilians whose jobs depend on trade or who live as immigrants in the US. The US is still Brazil's main trading partner and there are an estimated 1.3 million Brazilians living in the US, many illegally.

As the American economy worsens, many of these immigrants will return home and compete with their compatriots on the local job market. Radio WLRN recently reported that up to 10,000 immigrants in Boston were expected to return home in the near future and that Brazilian strongholds in New Jersey and South Florida were seeing a similar exodus.

Military Might

In the military sphere, Brazil's nationalists of the left and right will continue to be hostile to the US and ready to be offended at any slight, real or imaginary. The loonier fringe will continue to believe that the US wants to annex the Amazon and is setting up bases in other countries to do so.

Washington's decision in July 2008 to restore the US Fourth Naval Fleet for Latin America and the Caribbean for the first time since 1950 confirmed the views of these people. The Globo newspaper quoted Lula as saying in September that he was "concerned" over this move and the presence of foreign vessels near Brazil's offshore oil deposits and had spoken to President Bush about it. Neutral observers believe this development has more to do with the US fear of the rise of China and poses little threat to Latin America.

Brazil's strategic affairs minister, Mangabeira Unger, met members of Obama's transition team in the first week of January and reports say he rejected any possibility of the Brazilian armed forces becoming involved in anti-drug trafficking activities in South America and the Caribbean. Lula is said to have authorized the meeting which also covered education and biofuels.

Mangabeira was quoted as saying that the US should not insist in selling fighter planes and other weapons to Brazil but make cooperation agreements in the defense area. This is wishful thinking as the Americans will not share this kind of top secret technology. Brazil's response to the American refusal was to sign contracts worth US$ 12 billion in December 2008 to buy 50 military transport helicopters and five submarines from its old European "ally", France.

Despite this, relations between the armed forces of Brazil and the US are good. Brazilian, Argentinean and American vessels took part in joint maneuvers in the south Atlantic in April and the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier the USS George Washington paid a courtesy call to Rio de Janeiro shortly afterwards.

This vessel was the object of awe in the local media and highlighted the difference between the US and Brazilian forces. It is no exaggeration to say that this ship alone probably had more firepower than the whole of Brazil's armed forces put together. It cost US$ 4.5 billion to build, weighs almost 100,000 tons, is as high as a 24-storey building, carries 80 combat aircraft and 6,250 crew and can travel three million miles without needing to be refueled.

In conclusion, Obama should use the fact that virtually everyone in Brazil will be glad to see the back of Bush and make efforts to win Brazilians over. He has one great personal advantage in the fact that he will be the first "mulatto" President. This puts him in the same position as about half the Brazilian population which is of mixed race.

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish writer and consultant with long experience of Brazil. He is based in São Paulo and runs his own company Celtic Comunicações. He can be contacted at jf@celt.com.br. You can read more by him at his site www.brazilpoliticalcomment.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2009



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written by João da Silva, January 12, 2009
Brazil-US: Will Obama Mention the "BRICs" or just the "RICs"?


I am afraid that it is just going to be just "IC" that has the market of almost 2.5 Billion people for the U.S.,U.K., Canada and EU. Give and take policy.The Swiss as usual will remain "neutral". "R" is really a competitor for the "blocks" listed and Putin and Maldeved don't have much say in there. "I" may be nice to them, because of their "historical" friendship.

That is unless a regional crisis arises, which could easily happen depending on what occurs in Cuba after Fidel Castro's death. In this case, we might see Obama and his secretary of state, Hilary Clinton, in Brasília a lot earlier than might be expected.


Unlikely. If Fidel departs, Raul is there to continue the "Revolution". Cuba is a non entity and if the Yanks want to liberate it, all they have to do is to release the prisoners at Gitmo after arming them to teeth and anchoring U.S.S George Washington close by to give moral support. This ensures that the Yanks do not have to repeat the "Bay of Pigs" disaster.The least we can do for the Castro Dynasty is to give them political asylum.

Brazil's strategic affairs minister, Mangabeira Unger, met members of Obama's transition team in the first week of January and reports say he rejected any possibility of the Brazilian armed forces becoming involved in anti-drug trafficking activities in South America and the Caribbean. Lula is said to have authorized the meeting which also covered education and biofuels.


Mangabeira Unger, the ex-professor of BHO? I don't think that Obama is going to be too subservient to him.

He has one great personal advantage in the fact that he will be the first "mulatto" President. This puts him in the same position as about half the Brazilian population which is of mixed race.


A racist comment by the author of this article, calling BHO a "Mulatto". He conveniently forgets that BHO´s Mom was from Kansas and Dad was from Kenya and most of the Americans (and the Scottish) are not aware of the word "Mulatto". Also in his concluding remarks, he has not explained why "about half the Brazilian population which is of mixed race" should get excited about BHO.

brasil will be on the back burner
written by Forrest Allen Brown, January 12, 2009
as Obama will have his hands full in the US
his first exutive order will come with in 10 days of office saying let my people go ( the ones in gitmo )not the kidnapt children of US citisen held in brasil.

then when they are found to be back into the fight {and they will }
BUSH WILL BE VINDECATED
and then OBAMA & BILLRIE WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
KILLED MORE US SERVICE MEN & WOMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

racist only if a white person wrote the storie as we all know
the only people on earth are WHITE RACIST and the others are just poor
people of color
Very much laughable !
written by ch.c., January 13, 2009
1) Brazil refused to sign the US$ 12 billion deal for FIGHTERS PLANES...and instead sign a deal with France for TRANSPORT helicopters and submarines."

If Brazil is so sure that Transport Helicopters are as good as FIGHTERS
PLANES..... then good luck to Brazilian soldiers !
Quite the same for submarines, in case of a land war !

As to BHO visit to Robbing Hook, yess doubtful BHO will make the trip.
But Nooo doubt that Robbing Hook will ask to be "invited" to Washington by BHO. So that R.H....could caress his navel of how HE is
Important....in the World Scene !

Let me say with a big smile, that Sarko will do the same.

Everyone criticized harshly the USA...and very soon these same people will queue to spend 5 minutes with BHO in Washington.


Ohhhh and as to the "worthless" U.S. dollars, so many emerging countries said about, hopefully they can see that in less than one year, the US$ is at a Historical all time high against some currencies, and not that far away against most other emerging nations
currencies.
And more is to come. No doubt !

and finally on "This puts him in the same position as about half the Brazilian population which is of mixed race". True. Then he caan also pressure Brazil to have more mixed race people at the officials levels, and not only for the show as Pelé and your singer were !
Same for state and municipals officials !
If Brazil is 50 % of mixed races, then why not approximately the same
percentage at the decisions levels ?????
Because White Brazilians are the biggest racists on earth.

Last but not least : if 50 % of Brazilians are of mixed races, then you also have ?? percentage of black race ! Meaning the White Brazilians are.....A MINORITY...but still totally govern the whole country. Including the Justice and Supreme Courts, on top of nearly all, if not all, political parties and different houses, Senate & Congress, Mayors and including your army, and army of.... bureaucrats !!!!
Yess the White Brazilians mentality is still in the 21st century to keep the leash on the the majority of non white citizens !

Who could prove me wrong...with stats and facts ?
Ch.C
written by João da Silva, January 13, 2009
Just two counter comments:

Let me say with a big smile, that Sarko will do the same.


Brilliant observation as usual and I wholeheartedly agree with you!

Quite the same for submarines, in case of a land war !


Do you think that Sarko promised to build Amphibious Submarines to prepare for the Land war ? smilies/wink.gif
Forrest
written by João da Silva, January 13, 2009
racist only if a white person wrote the storie as we all know
the only people on earth are WHITE RACIST and the others are just poor
people of color


Do you have to fall into my trap? smilies/wink.gif

BTW, I am waiting for Jon to appear in this site to post a nice picture of him! Thanks for the story and the picture.
Sarko promised to build Amphibious Submarines......
written by ch.c., January 13, 2009
Welllll....to my non knowledge about Secret Defense stuffs between
Sarko and Robbing Hook.....I dont know !
It could well be as you said Submarines on wheels !
But only on 8 wheels ! 32 or 64 wheels would out the Brazilian budget
capacity !
Somewhat the same for your 8, 16, 32 or 64 bits...scientifical computers !
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But from my readings of the "details" written here, during Sarko visit,
I dont know more for the "petrol powered" (smiles) submarines, but for the nuclear powered ones, France will provide the designs, not the technology or a French built submarine. Same for all electronics !

Good luck...Brazil ! The design is one thing, the technology is another thing, and then the building prowess is a 3rd thing !
And after all this, you have the repair & maintenance costs.
Hopefully it will be better that your paved roads maintenance.
One hole in a submarine....and it sinks....unless you can make it fly !

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Ch.C
written by João da Silva, January 13, 2009
Yess the White Brazilians mentality is still in the 21st century to keep the leash on the the majority of non white citizens !


Thank God, they are already in the 21st century. smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
When will people understand.......
written by dnbaiacu, January 13, 2009
That humans are being "conquered" by divisions of all sorts. Divisions based on "fears" that can only be solved spiritually?

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written by João da Silva, January 13, 2009
That humans are being "conquered" by divisions of all sorts.


It is called "Divide and Conquer" policy. Practiced over thousands of years.You can divide people by creating boundaries,religions,races,etc; It is not too complicated to understand,BUT.....BUT....a large majority prefers to ignore it. That was the reason I asked in the last paragraph in my first comment under this article as to why the Brazilian "Mulattos" should get excited about BHO getting elected as the new POTUS. I think Ch.C being a spiritual person, perfectly understood what I was talking about.
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Ch.C
written by João da Silva, January 13, 2009
It could well be as you said Submarines on wheels !


I did not say about Submarines on wheels. Please don't put words into my mouth. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif

Somewhat the same for your 8, 16, 32 or 64 bits...scientifical computers !


8,16,32,64,128,etc bits? Some sort of dog bites ? smilies/tongue.gif
It is called "Divide and Conquer" policy
written by ch.c., January 14, 2009
or said differently "When Conquered.....Divide to Better Control"
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written by bo, January 14, 2009
The US is still Brazil's main trading partner and there are an estimated 1.3 million Brazilians living in the US, many illegally.


That should be "mostly".
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written by bo, January 14, 2009
The loonier fringe will continue to believe that the US wants to annex the Amazon and is setting up bases in other countries to do so.

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/216-us-annexes-amazon-forest/


This vessel was the object of awe in the local media and highlighted the difference between the US and Brazilian forces. It is no exaggeration to say that this ship alone probably had more firepower than the whole of Brazil's armed forces put together.


If Brazil's military could only get the drug cartels and the PCC on their side....instead of the other way around.....well, the U.S. may need TWO aircraft carriers!!! smilies/grin.gif
The loonier fringe will continue to believe that the US wants to annex the Amazon and is setting up bases in other countries to do so.
written by ch.c., January 14, 2009
While in fact it is Brazil that wants to annex the USA....slowly but surely !
They already have 1,3 millions Brazilians, many illegally...as stated !

Funny that there is not 1,3 millions Americans...in Brazil, and of whatever number they are.....only a very very very small minority is there...ILLEGALLY !

Why so.....in your views ? smiles !

And as stated a few times already in the past, funny that Brazilians are so much anti-Americans, but are then ready to pay US$ 10'000.- to enter illegally.....in the country they hate !

It is like the ones pretending to be in paradise, but still ready to pay US$ 10k to enter illegally in HELL !!!!

Also funny that these same anti-americans mostly wear T-shirts, baseball caps, blue jeans and baskets. All american style clothes...to
my knowledge.
And these same people also watch principally U.S. movies and listen mostly U.S. musics !Especially in their discos...also U.S. style !

But so Brazilians are ! They cant even build a car by themselves, while the other 3 BRIC members can. China has well over 30 LOCAL CHINESE car manufacturers. BRAZIL...ZERO...AS USUAL !

THEREFORE YESSSSS....BRAZIL should be expelled from the BRIC club.
And even be expelled from Mercosur ! smiles

In these 2 "clubs" Brazil had by far the lowest economic growth rate
during the last 6 years...since Robbing Hook is at the helm.
Not even the Brazilian new "methodology" to figure out their GDP was good enough !



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Hopefully some get it...
written by dnbaiacu, January 14, 2009
or said differently "When Conquered.....Divide to Better Control"


I liked that. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
why the Brazilian "Mulattos" should get excited about BHO getting elected as the new POTUS.


The ignorant are the ones that get excited. And these are the ones they show on television. (speaking of minorities in the U.S) . The least gullible and whatever comments they have to say are NOT seen or heard of in the media. It is not politically correct or patriotic to call out the game for what it is.
The civil rights movement generation is too old to really care about the present situation. And the clueless ones they show on tv are just happy to see someone that looks like them in a position of supposed importance.
The children of the civil rights movement generation are too bogged down with the rotten fruit of their consumerism.
The children of the above group, ( all ethnicities included) are pretty much clueless. And buy the Obama hype.
If you voted for Mc Cain. It's safe to assume you just didn't like Obama for whatever reason. The Republican platform made no sense considering the economy and the geo-political situation as it stands.
The real thinkers chose an independent ticket or didn't vote at all. smilies/wink.gif
Just my two cents for all its worth.
The "mulattos" in brazil could probably care less for the most part. Just keep the "Bolsa Familia" in place. And we know the government will see to that. Better to control. Keep them poor and dependent on the system, while the elite "plunder" the wealth.
Let's face it, all of South America is a plantation. The bread basket for the world. Nothing will really "change" with or without Obama. smilies/angry.gif
Help set your neighbor free. Teach him the Truth!
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written by carlos, January 15, 2009
I LOVE ROBBING HOOK
dnb, ok, i give up...what is the "truth " you are talking about ?
written by asp, January 15, 2009
you keep refering to the "truth", the "game" being played...im trying to figure it out...tell me, with mundane plane , definite terms, who are exactly , the people controling this "game" ? what is the "truth" about it?

i mean beyond your scripture referane. i want names, places, the whole bit behind this ominous , pending manipulation and doom...

then maybe i can address your opinions
Asp
written by dnbaiacu, January 15, 2009
Thanks for asking.... smilies/smiley.gif

First a person has to look around them and ask ,"Where did all this come from? Why am I here?"
That is the very 1st step.
Then they have to decide on one of two possibilities..
Either you were CREATED. Or some "spark" of energy from "nowhere"(which scientifically is not logical) eventually put together some "organic soup" that resulted in all the organized material we see. Including the species called "Woman" that you admire so much smilies/smiley.gif
Keep in mind that you are going either BELIEVE (and this is a very crucial word) one way or another.
If you have chosen the side of INTELLIGENT DESIGN , you more than likely will want to know WHY? For what PURPOSE was I and everything else I see DESIGNED?
Obviously this DESIGNER has a lot of power and intelligence and just might want to "COMMUNICATE" that with his obviously "intelligent creation".
So then you have to decide , rationalize , and come to conclusions on how the DESIGNER has COMMUNICATED his PURPOSE.
Thing is,, you "really" have to be interested in knowing because it is going to take some EFFORT for you to come to conclusions.
I know you are not stupid. So it really comes down to one of two things. Supposedly "HOLY BOOKS and SCRIPTURES which claim an "other worldly" source as its inspiration OR whatever MAN communicates to you what the purpose for our existence is.
It is up to you to do the math after a THORUOUGH investigation and see what holds more water. Either it is prophecies that have been recorded and fullfilled. OR man's guesswork with just about everything. Experiments with trial and error with governments, morals, ideaologies etc.
Now if a Holy book such as the Bible claims to be,, comes up correct and on point in each and every case , that must mean it has "some" credence in establishing what is TRUTH. Truth and Lies DO EXIST. Life is A LOT easier when one decides on a standard in measuring what TRUTH is.
The challenge is PERSONAL when it comes to deciding on the "standard".
If one has come to accept the Bible for instance as being the "standard", is behooves them to show their neighbor the kindness of indicating that to them. And let the neighbor decide for themselves.
Asp continued...
written by dnbaiacu, January 15, 2009
Regardless of whether we CHOOSE to BELIEVE it or not.. A TRUTH exist.
So if it just so happens that the Bible is the SOURCE of that TRUTH. And it's inspirator is ALL POWERFUL. Logic tells us it should be pretty reliable. Like all of us,, if we create something we want its "purpose" to be fullfilled. So it stands to reason that if the INTELLIGENT DESIGNER wanted his creatures , the 'humans" to work right, he'd have a way of COMMUNICATING that to them. And that source of communication would not be tampered with beyond recognition. Remember,, the DESIGNER was powerful enough to create the UNIVERSE. He could surely make sure a book could stay in tact. ?????? smilies/wink.gif
Just so happens that the Bible is the worlds best-seller and most widely distributed book of all time... Ever wonder why?????
Now this very book claims that the INTELLIGENT DESIGNER has an ENEMY. This ENEMY is "invisible" to human eyes ,, just like he is. And his sole intent is to eliminate humans. He wanted the humans to "adore him".
The battle between "GOOD and EVIL' began with the first LIE TOLD.
This ENEMY became the "FATHER OF THE LIE". And the world we live in is his SYSTEM.
So according to the book . We live in a SYSTEM OF LIES which is diametrically opposed to what is TRUE. And the DESIGNER has communicated what is TRUE.
A "truth seeker" has to do just that.... SEEK.!!! BECAUSE the "system" designed by the ENEMY is INTENT on hiding the TRUTH from humanity.
Asp,,, continued.... The people controlling the game...
written by dnbaiacu, January 15, 2009
They are all volunteers. Because it comes down to who you support with your THOUGHT PROCESS. All of this is mental.. You don't even know you are in the matrix (so to speak) unless you are alive. RIGHT?

Some volunteers are given more responsibility than others. As in any organization. And TRUST , the ENEMY is highly ORGANIZED. He took notes for the DESIGNER.
Funny how the 'stars" are used QUITE A BIT in communicating the wishes of the Enemy to more "expert" volunteers. Some of his spirit like colleagues in his army even take pleasure in "possessing" human volunteers. Who also end up "COMMUNICATING" the desires , wishes and commands of the ARCH ENEMY.
They have their secret "occult societies" .. Which are VERY POWERFUL. They control the distribution of wealth GLOBALLY. And create various forms of governments. All to DISTRACT humans from seeing the need to support the DESIGNERS government.
Humans are easy to manipulate without the help of ,,,, let's call it , "the FORCE".
They are created to have the "urge" to create or "pro-create".. So the enemy exploits that urge and manipulates the vast majority to use "pro-creative energy illicitly. Thereby wasting valuable energy that was intended to be used to extend the boundaries of a beautiful paradise or park the DESIGNER put the first human pair in.
Pornography and lighter forms of it we see and hear hourly promote the cause of the ENEMY quite well with this misuse of creative energy.
The other way the ENEMY gets the humans is through their belly.
Keep them in NEED. Or better yet, have them imagine they have NEEDS that don't really exist.. The better to distract and control them.
Without the FORCE you can always trip up a human through sex and materialism. SO SO simple.
Also "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" them.
They can be divided by the differences in their "hues". For example the lighter ones thinking they will be eliminated by the darker ones.
So all sorts of systems are created to insure that doesn't happen.
Greed .. The fear of "lacking". Creates a "division" between rich and poor. The system of Capitalism insures that , to quote the "porta voz" of the DESIGNER, "the poor will ALWAYS be with you". In fact , here it is.

8 For YOU have the poor always with YOU, but me YOU will not have always.” John 12:8
You get a lot of well eeaning humans overly caught up in alleviating a situation that will ALWAYS exist as long as the ENEMY and his volunteers are running things. smilies/sad.gif smilies/sad.gif
The high ranking human volunteers get paid well. But in the end, the enemy does care anything about them after they have served their purposed. ie,,JUDAS ,, HITLER, ect. and the list goes on..

The ENEMY is a master at making a LIE look GOOD and attactive.. Appealing , one way or the other. The only way to see through that is by the help of the "FORCE".
Various governments. Moral "relativism" (an excuse for no "standard") . Just independence from a "standard".. All made to look appealing.
So here we are ,, in this mess. I am sure most agree we are in one.
But most , out of fear,, bury their heads in the sand. Running around like chickens with their heads cut off , thinking that everything somehow will resolve itself.. WHICH IT WILL!

BUT WILL THEY BE ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH?
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Research any of the following groups
written by dnbaiacu, January 15, 2009
mean beyond your scripture referane. i want names, places, the whole bit behind this ominous , pending manipulation and doom...


Bilderberger Group
Triateral Commission
Council on Foriegn Relations
Skulls and Bones
Illuminati
Free-masons
Jesuit society
*************
The "powers that be" love to mark their terriotories
ie..
The $1 bill
The 5 pointed star on th real
The "Vatican" is in the center of a 5 pointed star
Capitol hill is in the center of a 5 pointed star
I could on and on with iconic statues and structures embellished in occult symbolism. If you don't think symbols have revelant meaning , you are kidding yourself.

What's interesting is that "evidence" of anything doesn't necessarily change the "heart" or "interior motivation" of the individual. It ends up being a "spiritual" process. We were DESIGNED to operate under a "spiritual plane". . Birds do what they do.. Lillies, do what they do. Men are supposed to "do what they do" (or were designed to do) to fullfill their "purpose" and stay around.
Matthew 6:33)
What we see around us is what happens when humans don't live up to their purpose as a group..
CHAOS.
The Uniting of the World through the entity that is the United Nations. Is just the "tower of Babel" all over again. A united front against God. Two kingdoms diametrically opposed.
Guess who the Pope blessed last year?!!!
Ha Ha,,,, The United Nations. And they front as a "christian organization" smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
Which of course runs South America and no can understand why the region can't get off its back in reference to the Western Developed Nations.
It's called "missionary position" pun intended. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
The law of polarities will always exist. Psychologically South America will always be on the bottom and you can thank the Vatican for that. And any other religion that deifies creation.. ie,, saints, Mary, Jesus,Lemanja , orixas, whatever.
Collective psyches MATTER..
Again,, it is so important WHAT YOU BELIEVE.Your whole life is affected by it.
That is why Brazil will never educate the masses. They KNOW this. You maintain power by keeping beople ignorant.
S.A will always remain a PLANTATION.. Everyone needs to get over it. It is what it is.
But even slaves find reasons to smile.
So we work with what we have.
FREE YOUR MIND
thanks for your explanation , dnb
written by asp, January 15, 2009
i may not agree with everything you portrayed, but, ill check into those referances to the companies you listed

where i see how you tie a lot of things in with the shadow of the scriptures always present, i tend to beleive that it is more complex. that there are various pockets of power all over the world and they are vying to get ahold of that power and keep it.

where people try to make out like there is one evil entity in the usa behind all that happens there, i tend to think its various power pockets trying to get their agenda over.i see a more diverse and complex design than you are describing...for my two cents
asp
written by dnbaiacu, January 16, 2009
where people try to make out like there is one evil entity in the usa behind all that happens there, i tend to think its various power pockets trying to get their agenda over.i see a more diverse and complex design than you are describing...for my two cents


Yes, it is very complex. Yet it all leads to the same source. Demonic forces manipulating the pyches of those "motivate" by greed, lust, and power. Only the "Force" can stop you from tapping into and being used by the negative energy "thought patterns" of these invisible forces.
We want to think it is all weird and fantasy sci-fi but it's true. Watch an "exorcism" or a Candomble festival. Life reflects art, and vice versa. Hollywood depicts the activities of these entities all the time. Yet most want to think that it is inconsequential..... NOT!!!

Naturally the human peons in the spectrum compete for the power on one level or another. And really that is irrevelant. Because the goal of the "unseen" powers that be is to have us ALL destroyed. It's just that there are a few earthly "movers and shakers" that are very aware of this and CHOOSE to be on the "dark" side for one selfish reason or another and are playing their role as pawns to the hilt. The vast majority of human volunteers are "clueless". And that more or less is by CHOOSING to be ignorant. TRUTH inevitably will exact CHANGE. And people are more comfortable settling for being creatures of habits of their own creation. The fault is their own.
The Bible indicates major world players throughout history that pretty much served as Satanic headquarters in their respective epocs of power and influence particularly over the nation of ISREAL.
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece
Rome
Great Britain/U.S (the anglo-american dual world power of today) (there was never a real separation. They are joined at the hip behind the scenes through powerful financial institutions.)Every major financial institution in the U.S has a very strong British tie and connection. And via secret societies.
I will give you a tip... Read Jim Marrs.. "Rule By Secrecy". It's an excellent book complete with thorough footnotes for your own reference purpose. It's concise . So you won't waste so much energy finding books on each and every group. Towards the end he gets a little whacky in my opinion. You see, I draw the line when it doesn't harmonize with what I have come to terms as being the "standard",, that is , the Bible. But you take everything cognitively and put it together and draw your own conclusions.
You will be labeled a "conspiracy theorist". But so what!!!! smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif What peoples or nations haven't been conquered by a CONSPIRACY of sorts. This is life. It's just that most want to think that it is not happening where they are. ????? smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif
asp continued
written by dnbaiacu, January 16, 2009
Another good read is "The Creature From Jekyll Island".. EYE OPENER about the Federal Reserve Bank. When you are done you won't look at the news the same. Especially in relation to interest rates and inflation. You may even decide to stop paying your taxes. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif (I don't promote that, "pay Ceasars things to Ceasar") But "Ceasar" is a gangster and a crook.
I used to question a lot of this financial stuff with the Fed in high school. And I never could get a straight answer to the simple question. "How do you OWE yourself".? And if you charge your citizens taxes, what is this bill they keep running up that causes a "deficit". Made no sense to me. Until I decided to dig and dig and dig until I found something.
Funny how a lot of hidden things.. Truths. Are conveniently in the "conspiracy theory" section of the bookstores. That is "by design too".
You'll be interested in finding out the major role of the "Associated Press". smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif smilies/wink.gif
And also how American kids are being "dumbed down" on PURPOSE.
History, Science and Literature are more or less "electives" NOT required courses at the college level. And for a REASON.
What's crazy is that the more you know. The more you can't believe that FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS are playing a role in this voluntarily. Yes, the vast majority at all levels are pretty much clueless and are just doing their "job".. But there are MANY that KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. ! It is horrific! smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
So your ONLY defense IS the FORCE. (holy spirit if you haven't caught on to my figurative speech yet smilies/smiley.gif)
Thank GOD anyone can access it. And avoid the many traps out there to screw up your life and those after you for generations.
The Catholics claimed to be "christian" , yet didn't want anyone to read the Bible.. And STILL don't promote Bible reading.. HELLLOOOOO?!!You bow down to other "created" things instead. .. ?????? SILLY!!
Men deifying women and you wonder why your country is "passive"..DUH??!!!
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It's all a system.. Religion, Governments, Commercial.. All designed to oppress the human pysche. And it is doing its job well.
Say it isn't TRUE?
Do your research asp.. The Bible says, "keep seeking and you will find".
Here,, let me copying. I work best that way. smilies/smiley.gif smilies/wink.gif
“Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU.
SÓ ENGANAS PANÇUDOS.....
written by carlos bastos, January 17, 2009
Ainda pensas que o Brasil é o sertão de Jorge Amado ? Não sou brasileiro, nunca fui ao Brasil, mas digo-lhe uma coisa, a Base de Alcântara só explodiu a partir do momento em que Russos e Brasileiros se sentaram à mesma mesa, e ficou previsto cooperação técnica, económica-política e espacial. É desta forma que o Ministro da Economia, o Presidente do Projecto Espacial Brasileiro e o Presidente do Brasil, são apanhados de surpresa, com a noticia da explosão na Base.
A Alemanha e a Rússia continuam a ser futuros interessados na cooperação técnico-militar e económica, sendo elementos de retaguarda do projecto brasileiro. A Alemanha não é novidade, agora a Rússia já tentara o mesmo no tempo da URSS, com Brejnev e mais tarde com Gorbatchev.
Uma palavra quanto a Bush e Obama. Bush pode vir a ficar na história como o 'último Presidente'. A decadência da noção de Estado-nação, os problemas que o novo Presidente atravessa para incrementar reformas económicas com impacto imediato na vida real do cidadão norte-americano, o aumento da pobreza e do desemprego, a par da diminuição das condições de vida, fazem de Bush o último Presidente. Guantanamo era para desaparecer, mas afinal o processo judicial que tal implica, é tão vasto e moroso, que ficou adiado o seu encerramento.
EU ACREDITO NISTO: ''Os EUA vão destruir-se por dentro, devido ao nível de vida a que estavam habituados e ás transformações Raciais entre mexicanos, negros e caucasianos. Americanos são todos, a diferenciação é de proveniência racial, e agora que sai do poder a ala mais conservadora da sociedade norte-americana, de certeza que estes elementos vão tentar movimentar-se no seio da sociedade, em busca de novas esferas de influência. Não é por alguma razão que 'OBAMA DIVIDIU A CIA E CRIOU UMA NOVA AGÊNCIA...DESTE MODO ANDAM-SE A INVESTIGAR UNS AOS OUTROS EM VEZ DE FAZEREM O MESMO QUE HOOVER NO FBI FEZ A J.F.K.´ .

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Infelizmente....
written by dnbaiacu, January 17, 2009

EU ACREDITO NISTO: ''Os EUA vão destruir-se por dentro, devido ao nível de vida a que estavam habituados e

Carlos esta' falando a verdade.

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Carlos....
written by bo, January 18, 2009
sit back, have a beer. It's a lot easier and more accurate predicting the next time brazil will have double-digit inflation and unemployment than the collapse of the U.S.

You can bet your ass, a lot of places will go down before the U.S. does. So let's wait for that first....mmmm'k?
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written by João da Silva, January 18, 2009
It's a lot easier and more accurate predicting the next time brazil will have double-digit inflation and unemployment than the collapse of the U.S.


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sit back, have a beer


That is precisely what I intend doing while the "events" beyond our control are unfolding in the next few months. I advise DnB to follow our example. smilies/wink.gif
Joao.. LOL
written by dnbaiacu, January 20, 2009
Besides a "beer" occasionally.. I will PRAY.. It gets the job done much better.. Changes my "consciousness".


That is precisely what I intend doing while the "events" beyond our control are unfolding in the next few months


You are 100% right.. We can only control ourselves. There is no need to worry. Just seek "knowledge" and "act on it".

As of today we are in a new era. And it is going to get very interesting.
Neighbors, Get DIVINE KNOWLEDGE do not be deceived.! There is a clock ticking. But there is a GREAT time ahead after it will all be said and done.
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written by sfsmurf, January 22, 2009
I can't believe how many nuts are on this site.
sfsmurf
written by dnbaiacu, January 23, 2009
I can't believe how many nuts are on this site.


And you just joined smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

Have anything of substance to contribute? smilies/wink.gif
On Obama...
written by Shelly1, January 28, 2009
Obama is not God. He cannot change Brazil or help Brazil. Brazilians and the government need to help themselves and give people a chance to get educated. As mundane as it may seem, there are pay freezes, job cuts, class reduction at every local school. Tell me, without funds for science and research, without funds for teachers to get refresher courses or enough funds to purchase school material, do you really think America will stay competitive in the future? Please, Bulgaria is ahead in science and maths. When it comes to educating American children, the U.S. is has a F on every subject.

Now, going back to Brazil, we are in the pits with a dictator voted by idiots and people who believed that MULA AL BIN LULA would do anything for them. Wake-up and smell the coffee! Brazil will always be a the "land of tomorrow" because today those who vote cannot even read the ballot lines. How can you expect Brazil to stay as a leader of BRIC or Mercosur? Argentineans are, in my opinion, better educated and are socially better prepared than 10 Brazilians. Remember that joke, "how much do you think an Argentine thinks he worth?" or something of the sort. Well, a Brazilian in the eyes of its own government is worth nothing. You are only needed when your votes are demanded at the ballot. Think again, do we even have a democracy?


Nobody can help Brazil, only Brazilians themselves. Stop blaming this country and that country for your misfortunes. Time to grow up little mamma's boy!
on discrimination
written by Shelly1, January 28, 2009
Even tough we live in a apparent social-racial harmony, we all know that racism goes on in Brazil-and it is ugly. As the article said, the majority is not represented in politics. And we live in a democratic country? Wow, last time I checked this kind of system it was called, DICTATORSHIP!
asp
written by Shelly1, January 28, 2009
You are right about American education. This is what I got from my kids' teacher:

I
want to keep parents informed about what is happening. Currently employees that are not in administrative positions, school board members or superintendent will have a salary freeze. Currently health benefits have been raised $5 per co-pay visit and from $500-1500 family deductible. As far as I know class sizes will increase by 1. School Board Members would like for you to believe they have done this to stop a reduction in force. Non-of the slots that were re-added were teaching slots/not slots that work with our children. Please get involved. It is a time of recession/depression. Maybe it is a time for some of our parents to become board members, maybe it is time for some new leadership for our schools

Diann M.

asp
written by Shelly1, January 28, 2009
Funny enough the board member and school superintendents will not join in the pay freeze "to help save jobs"!

f**king unbelievable !

Shelly – The Jewish American Princess (JAP)
written by ..., January 28, 2009
I could not have said it any better…

Shelley, the Heifer on Steroids says:


Nobody can help Brazil, only Brazilians themselves.


Isn’t that the truth! Shelly, you certainly don’t and never will help your birth country, heavy on accusations but light on solutions.

It has been said before: “The trivial many and the vital few.” Shelly, you subscribe to the latter. Do you know why? You criticism is always condescending, malicious and never, I mean NEVA, positive. You contribute nothing, produce nothing, but a self-centered opportunistic jewish princess.

By the way, how is your Second-Class citizenship status up there in Tio Sam’s country? Some people live and learn, you, just occupy space! Idiot from hell. You stereotype the jews all over the world.

Sincerely yours,

Costinha
costinha the moron
written by Shelly1, February 01, 2009
Coco,

Brazil is a land where thieves and thugs triumph. Corruption and injustice are part of your life and you swim in s**t and get out thinking that you are clean.

You can keep the tupiniquim land of tomorrow, perhaps you could ask your judicial system to send Sean back to his home country. Brazil is hiding this kid and the parents are criminals. You can keep them with you, but send the kid back to civilization!
I’m your Côco, You’re my Cocô…
written by ..., February 02, 2009
Hi Judas… I feel real sorry for your husband! Besides being gay, he is married to a poisonous snake that bites the hand that feeds it.

Shelly, as a major loser, you should run commercials to help people “lose” weight. Shelly, the smelliest pork in the farm.

Costinha

Hehehe
I’m your Côco, You’re my Cocô… Part - 2
written by ..., February 02, 2009
Judas (Shelly Smelly) says:

“send Sean back to his home country”

What are you talking about? Sean is home, in Brazil with his mom!

Shelly… Get lost, my Jewish American Princess.

Costinha
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written by Brazuca, February 12, 2009
Joao, about the divide and rule being perpetrated on Brazil, you're right.

In the following article, the academic George Zarur writes about how the Ford Foundation has been busy sowing divide and rule. (Isn't it the Ford Foundation or foundations like it who fund radical, divisive groups in the US like the Black Panthers and La Raza?)

http://www.georgezarur.com.br/pagina.php/149

Brazilians, reject this nefarious attempt to divide and weaken an emerging nation, one that may threaten the interests of the Anglo-American oligarchy.
ALERT TO ALL BLOGGERS AGAINST EXTREME RIGHT WING INFILTRATION ==>> HIS MOST COMMON ALIAS = "DOUBLE DOT"
written by Augustus, February 26, 2009
Several bloggers in Brazzil.com have recently been repeatedly afflicted and abused by a certain element whose most “common” alias is Double.Dot. He seems to be particularly engaged into antagonizing non-Americans and particularly those of us who reside in the United States.

After some originally misplaced theories, suggested by various regular contributors to this blog, I decided to conduct some additional research, and recently came across a very serious and dangerous threat to the United States of America, since the election of Mr. Obama. It consists of an Extreme Faction of the hideous KKK whose recent alliance with other Racist Militant elements in Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and other southern/southwestern states have declared war against all foreigners, particularly those of Jewish, Latin American, and African background. They are composed of mostly very low class, uneducated WHITE TRASH, whose sole mystical way to elevate themselves of their sordid low-birth condition, is to base a fictitious “superiority” based upon race.

Well, I think all of us should make an effort to bring this dangerous elements to the attention NOT ONLY of this blog’s management, BUT ALSO to various US agencies which monitor the activity of HATE GROUPS in America, of which this LOWLY undesirable element, recently known as Double- Dot is unquestioningly either a member or a sympathizer (if not an outright infiltrator) who acts on this horrific, hateful Extremist Group’s behalf on blogs managed in the USA by non-Americans of certain background. Given this blog’s title “Brazzil.com” I fear it became an obvious target.

It disgusts me having even spent a second of my time arguing with such Trash of incalculable malice, who FAILS to recognize that we are all born ALIKE as Human Beings (but STOP being alike from the moment of birth onwards, as they are inculcated Hatred by their uneducated parents and families who teach them the glories or White Race superiority INSTEAD of Moliere; sabotage instead of calculus, malice instead of Greek Philosophy!

SWIFT ACTION IS REQUIRED, I URGE EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU TO JOIN A CRUSADE AGAINST THIS HATEFUL ELEMENT!

Augustus


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