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Rogues Gallery - Brazil's PMDB Comes "Clean" at Last PDF Print E-mail
2009 - January 2009
Written by John Fitzpatrick   
Tuesday, 03 March 2009 05:25

senate_brazilWhen I first started to cover the Brazilian political scene in the mid-90s I had trouble trying to understand what most parties stood for. With the exception of the leftist Workers Party (PT) and the social democratic PSDB it was difficult to pinpoint any ideological base on which the other parties stood, particularly the PMDB which has often held the highest number of seats in Congress.

It took me some time to realize that the PMDB was not a political party as such but a group linked by regional, business and personal ties which was only interested in gaining power to enrich itself and look after its own.

Foreign readers might think this a harsh judgment but anyone who lives in Brazil knows it is a fact and two of the PMDB's top members, Senators Jarbas Vasconcelos and Pedro Simon, have recently confirmed it.

Vasconcelos gave an interview to Veja magazine on February 19 in which he said most of the PMDB were only interested in corruption. He described the party, of which he has been a member since it was founded as the MDB in 1966, as: "a confederation of regional leaders, each with his own interest, more than 90% of whom practice favoritism with their eyes fixed mainly on (public) positions."

He singled out three top members for particular criticism: ex-President José Sarney who has just been elected chairman of the Senate and has been accused of using his influence to enrich his family; Renan Calheiros who resigned as Senate chairman in 2007 amid allegations of corruption; and Jabar Barbalho who also resigned from the same post in 2002 accused of plundering 2 billion reais (US$ 816.33 million) from public funds and was even briefly arrested.

Despite the allegations and investigations, all three are still influential figures in the PMDB which is one of President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva's main allies. The party has no less than six ministries and runs such powerful areas as health, communications, agriculture, energy, defense and national integration. It controls eight state and around 1,200 municipal governments.

Veja estimates it has public funds totaling 365 billion reais (US$ 148.98 billion) at its disposal, equivalent to 13% of Brazil's GDP. How much of this is siphoned off illegally is anybody's guess but many of the party's members who began their political lives in humble circumstances have become millionaires.

They have used their positions to enrich themselves, families and allies and have placed their supporters in leading positions in state-owned companies and agencies.

The mines and energy minister, Edison Lobão, was recently faced with a strike by electricity workers who were outraged at his blatant attempt to appoint PMDB placemen to run their pension fund by firing the current directors. It must be one of the few times in history that workers have gone on strike over their future pensions but they knew that Lobão was only interested in getting his hands on the funds assets worth 6.3 billion reais (US$ 2,57 billion) and plundering them.

The illegal use of public employees' pension funds of was one of the channels for siphoning off money to political parties in the "bribes for vote" scandal, known as the mensalão, which overshadowed Lula's first term in office and wrecked any idea that the PT was more ethical than other parties it always claimed were corrupt. Fortunately, for the workers Lula stepped in this time and countermanded Lobão's order.

The PMDB national leadership held an emergency meeting to discuss the Vasconcelos allegations and issued a brief anodyne note in which it said it would not be paying any further attention to them as Vasconcelos had not provided any concrete fact to support his claim.* It did not call him to explain what he had said nor did it threaten any kind of punishment for bringing the party into disrepute. A few annoyed Congressmen said he should leave the PMDB.

Vasconcelos, the former governor of the northeastern state of Pernambuco, was backed by Pedro Simon from the southern state of Rio Grande do Sul. Simon said the PMDB would have to call a meeting of its ethics committee before expelling Vasconcelos, a move which he said would "destroy" the PMDB.

Oddly enough, few other prominent politicians spoke out, either to support Vasconcelos or to exploit the PMDB's embarrassing position. Most opposition parties kept quiet (except for the left-wing PSOL) as did the PT and the government. The reason was that Lula needs the PMDB since its support shores up his government although the PMDB ensures that he pays dearly in return.

The PSDB, which is the favorite to put up the main opposition candidate in next year's presidential election in the form of São Paulo governor, José Serra, also kept quiet. This is because it may find it also needs the PMDB's support since if the PMDB sees that Lula's preferred candidate, Dilma Rousseff, looks like losing to Serra it will switch its position.

The party has never been really interested in fielding a presidential candidate and prefers to use its influence behind the scenes. Sarney, for example, only became president in 1985 when the president-elect, Tancredo Neves, died before assuming office. Sarney was vice president and took office by default.

The PMDB occasionally threatens to field its own candidate but everyone knows this is a hollow threat. It has no strong candidate whose record would survive any background check for skeletons nor does it have the unity to agree on a single candidate.

Despite all this criticism, both Vasconcelos and Simon are still members of the party and the PMDB still manages to win more votes than the other parties. This goes to show that, just as you can take a horse to water you can't make it drink so you can't force people to vote for the "good" guys and shun the "bad" guys.

*Here is the original Portuguese version complete with the emphasis in bold type which presumably the party leadership feel strengthen its case: "Em face da entrevista do senador Jarbas Vasconcelos, a Comissão Executiva Nacional do PMDB declara que não dará maior atenção a ela em razão da generalidade das alegações. Não aponta nenhum fato concreto que fundamente suas declarações. Ademais, lança a pecha de corrupção a todo sistema partidário quando diz "a corrupção está impregnada em todos os partidos". Trata-se de um desabafo ao qual a Executiva Nacional do Partido não dará maior relevo.

John Fitzpatrick is a Scottish writer and consultant with long experience of Brazil. He is based in São Paulo and runs his own company Celtic Comunicações. This article originally appeared on his site www.brazilpoliticalcomment.com.br. He can be contacted at jf@celt.com.br.

© John Fitzpatrick 2009



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"most of the PMDB were only interested in corruption."
written by ch.c., March 03, 2009
Just the same as ALL others brazilians political parties !

Who really care about the nation secular economic growth rate, education, healthcare, poverty, jobs, infrastructure ????

Nooo One ! Not even Robbing Hook. He just hooks everyone through promises, promises and more promises. Lies, lies and more lies.
Stats manipulations time and again.
Yesssssss... that are the only things where HE truly shines and excels !
Ohhhh but also by boasting himself about HIS performances, one of the worst of ALL emerging markets during the last 6 years...since he was elected...and re-elected...on whatever growth metrics and equations !!!!!

Brazilians enjoy mediocrity ! They cant live without it. They are addicted to it !
Serious reflections, some explanations & Confirmation of my views // Request for CH-c to start providing solutions for the liars
written by Augustus, March 03, 2009
Firstly it must be stated, that OF COURSE, I agree with the writer, that PMDB which was historically created after the Military took over the reigns of government in order to appear as the “formal” opposition party. During that period, 50% of congress seats were appointed the existing Military president and the other half of the seats were up for elections which both PMDB (which then was simply called MDB) and ARENA (a rather appropriate name) which represented the Governing Party. During those days, at least, there was some meaning for the MDB for it was the only party where those valiant few politicians, who had enough courage to oppose the government (as long as such opposition was mild and discrete), would join.

As such it is OBVIOUS that a party which never has had any specific orientation but rather represented an amalgamation of political characters bearing absolutely nothing in common except for their “acceptable” limited opposition to the government; would continue onwards without any political philosophy… thereby turning into a Super Corrupt Populist Money Grabbing “party”…

As for ch-c’s criticisms – with all due respect - 90% of which are (generally) intrinsically valid; regardless of any (alleged) underlying good intentions which may exist, I must confess that such extremely nefarious comments, after a while, inevitably become exhausting and perhaps self–defeating; indeed, our Swiss friend’s consistent, uninterrupted, patronizing, generalizing attacks on all Brazilians after all are bound to be dismissed... (After taking into account the identity of the author)

While there is NO question that most Brazilians are corrupt – one should avoid applying this (or any other) particular “quality” or “condition” it to ALL Brazilians (even if the exception represents only 1-9 % since 99% does NOT equal EVERYONE) – it is UNJUST and UNFAIR to the FEW others. Likewise, it is completely unfair to say that ALL BRAZILIANS are liars… This is an absurd statement which warrants serious HONEST revisions… Haven’t YOU ever lied, CH-C?

Please HONESTLY, are you in a position to look at yourself in the reflection of your own eyes in the mirror and HONESTLY say to yourself – “I have never lied – EVER!” . If you trust that you can honestly make such a heart-felt statement, then you are indeed allowed to call All Brazilian Liars… Yet, after further consideration, even under these revised circumstances, I’m afraid that this particular (liar) statement requires additional editing… Indeed, in the “event” you have NEVER LIED in your entire life, than your statement should, rather, more appropriate (and truthfully) have been: “ALL HUMANS (except for me) ARE LIARS… INDEED… One must NEVER loose sight that this is unfortunately and intrinsic characteristic of Human nature, which just HAPPENS to be more pronounced and VISIBLE in Politics – particularly in Third World Countries and especially in Brazil – I do concur with that… but, please do not patronize EVERYBODY holding Brazilian citizenship for the sake of enhancing your point and satisfying your immense, interminable dislike (if not outright hatred) for our country...

Ch.c
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2009
particularly in Third World Countries and especially in Brazil – I do concur with that… but, please do not patronize EVERYBODY holding Brazilian citizenship for the sake of enhancing your point and satisfying your immense, interminable dislike (if not outright hatred) for our country...


You read it, Mein Kamaraden? smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif

BUT.....BUT......, I agree with you when you asked:

Who really care about the nation secular economic growth rate, education, healthcare, poverty, jobs, infrastructure ????


Lord Augustus: Does any Brasilan blogger remember Ulysses Guimarães? Probably Ch.c has heard of him. smilies/sad.gif

You may also recall that Sarney was from ARENA. smilies/angry.gif
Augustus
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2009
Here is an interesting article for ya to read:

http://www.estadao.com.br/naci...2830,0.htm

Fortunately, you haven't forgotten your "mother tongue", "father tongue", "grandma´s tongue", etc;

Cheers

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JOAO's link (estadao)... And you still blame my "inviting the Armed Forces to ACT????
written by Augustus, March 03, 2009
Only 2 quotes from JOAO's article (link above) suffice for reflection.
Em entrevista à revista Veja da primeira semana de fevereiro, o senador disse que o PMDB é "um partido sem bandeiras, sem propostas, sem norte" e boa parte dos filiados "quer mesmo é corrupção". O partido, chamado de "a grande noiva de 2010", se fortaleceu ainda mais após dominar o comando da Câmara e do Senado
........
Quando Jarbas começou a discursar, sete senadores do PMDB estavam no plenário, inclusive Renan Calheiros (AL). "O exercício da política não pode ser transformado em um balcão de negócios. O que se vê hoje no nosso país é um sentimento de descrença com a impunidade corroendo as bases da democracia. O poder pelo poder leva ao quadro político degenerado, que hoje vivemos no nosso país, no qual a esperteza é mais valorizada do que a inteligência e a correção ética", disse.

I URGE THE BRAZLIAN ARMED FORCES TO PUT AN END TO THIS CHARADE... BUT START THE PROCESS AT PALACIO DA ALVORADA, PLEASE!
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WE CANNOT GENERALIZE
written by Alberto Lima, March 04, 2009
We cannot generalize. Nor if treating to person, nor to a political party in particular. In Brazil, the majority of the parties still represents more groups linked by regional, business and personal ties of what ideological clubs. As well as it happens with the Republican and the Democrat parties, in U.S.A., or clearly whit the members of the Working Party and the Conservatives, in England, parties that are not accurately examples of raised ideological level. The PMDB can have many men who defend its proper interests, but, as MDB, in the height of the dictatorship, had many pursued and jailed members. It is the party of Ulisses Guimarães and Tancredo Neves, whose grandson, today governor of the State of Minas Gerais, is candidate to the presidency of the republic. In brazilian history, it is the party of the campaign Diretas Já and the freedom. What it was said regarding the PMDB could have been said of the PSDB of the time of the privatizations or the PT in the “mensalão” time. The PMDB is a party as any another one that, in a democratic system, it deserves to fight, in the space politician, for a place in the Sun.
Yes one MAY generalize
written by Augustus, March 04, 2009
Mr. Albero Lima (who ressembles Mr. Ricardo Amaral)
Unfortunately, during the past decade, it has become quite clear that, what the civilized western countries classify as a genuine, honest, and fair Democratic Multiparty government is unfortunately not applicable to Latin American nations… Indeed, notwithstanding the fact that such countries (with the possible exception of Chile) have a (fairly similar) Western cultural background (tied to Portugal, Spain, or France) they are unfortunately not in a position to systematically maintain a functioning democratic government (in spite of some “promising beginnings).

This sad state of affair is indubitably related to strong historical patterns of paternalism, neo-feudalism, and populism, embedded in a complex network composed by a largely uneducated & naive population along with a highly abusive, unethical and corrupt elite who aspires to reach politically elected positions in order to secure wealth & power (for themselves, family members and/or financially controlled supporters) within its fragile so-called democratic process.

As such, in the case of Brazil, in order to avoid the unacceptable political situation currently in place in Venezuela, Bolivia, and Nicaragua or the shameful family state control found in Argentina, the only plausible solution would be the restoration of a formal authoritative (benign) control of the nation by the Armed Forces, which would surely restore order & security with peace and, eventually, prosperity…
security and a certain level of dignity to the central government.
Voters must take responsibility; PMDB of the Northeast is the problem
written by rosh, March 05, 2009
As Mr. Fitzpatrick alluded to, the only solution is for voters to vote out the PMDB members who are corrupts or suspected of being corrupt. In a democracy you get the government you deserve. The media does a good job reporting on corruption, but ultimately it's in the voters' hands.

I also want to qualify that the main problem seems to be the PMDB of the Northeast. There are some great PMDB governors in states like Espirito Santo, Amonzonas, and Rio de Janeiro, and in general those politicians in executive positions in Brazil seem to be of much higher quality than the politicians in the legislature.

P.S. Why does this website have so many crazy moronic commenters.
ignorant voters cannot be responsible
written by Augustus, March 05, 2009
Moronic are the bloggers who cannot see that volters in under developped countries, who are ignorant, naive and mostly illiterate can be compared with those in the United States, Canada or the United Kingdom, most of whom must have had at least the basic education.
HOW CAN ANYMOE COMPARE AND NOW I SAY "GENERALIZE???
IGNORANT VOTERS FROM THE THIRD WORLD SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE SERIOUS ISSUES AND SURELY NOT COMPARED WITH VOTERS IN THE DEVELOPPED WORLD. THOSE WHO COMPARE AND EXPECT THE SAME BEHAVIOR ARE THE MORONS!!!
Augustus
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2009
I also want to qualify that the main problem seems to be the PMDB of the Northeast.


This particular comment of "rosh" has some validity. Yesterday the ex-President of the Republic Collor (senator from AL) was elected as the Chairman of the Senate Commission for (building) Infrastructure with the backing of Renan, Sarney, etc. The lady Senator from PT lost the dispute for this post. Wouldn't be surprised if PMDB stages its own candidate for President in 2010. smilies/cry.gif
Joao - all boils down - ULTIMATELY - to ignorant voters and corrupt politicians.
written by Augustus, March 05, 2009
that's because COLLOR was elected by a bunch of ignorant voters in alagoas to start with... Only idiots, or influenced voters (bribed by special favors) would vote for the most corrupt of all politicians, the only man ever impeached in Brazil's history
Because the OTHER IGNORANT VOTERS from Paraiba, Sergipe, R.G.Norte, Piaui, etc elected their own corrupt senators.. those in turn for some "special" corrupted reasons elected collor de mello for the post...
DISGUSTING
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OK,OK,OK
written by TathianaBH, March 05, 2009
All right people. You are all getting very heated up.

Lets get a few FACTS straight, shall we?

Again with Brazil bashing, what is the problem with you people? I think that I am going to go and join a US dedicated blog and get on the Bush bashing band wagon!

Fact of the matter is that wherever you look there are politicians making personal gain from their elected positions. Do I really have to go into President Bush and the Florida scandal, or Tony Blair's new role in the Middle East (the man is being nominated for a Nobel! And we seem to have completely forgoten that when George Bush started the Iraq war/conflict, Tony Blair was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and sent troops!) Colin Powel and the Iraq oil... talk about short memory!

With regards to Brazil, let's get one thing straight, Brazil is and has always been considered a 3rd world country because it is convenient for the rest of the world to see Brazil as a 3rd world country. Brazil is part of the G10 (or 12, 13, 14 whatever it is at the moment!smilies/grin.gif ) it has also recently (in the past 10 years) shown a great deal of improvement in helth and educational systems with the lowest incidence of HIV/AIDS, TB growth, etc not to mention that Brazil (and I said this before) exports a lot of scientists, pilots and skilled labourers to all sorts of places around the globe. Is there room for improvement? MOST DEFINATELY... There is actually a lot of room for improvement.

With regards to some comments that have been around here about every brazilian being disonest. Well, lets not be ridiculous! It's like saying that every swiss is a money grabbing, chocolate eating alcoholic!

With regards to allowing ignorant people to vote, actually in Brazil every citizen over the age of 18 HAS to vote, it is law. So get your facts straight!

It is shameful that people have such little interest in what happens to the country. Personally, and let me make this 100% clear, think that electing Lula for one term was a mistake the second term was just to cement the shame of the brazilian people. But that is my opinion, and I am very much entitled to it.

I also think that in a country with such disparity in scenery, wealth, education... etc... it is very easy to manipulate the general populus. Lula, who in my PERSONAL opinion is a scum-bag, who has leached from the system his entire life and hasn't worked a full day since he lost his pinky at the age of 19 (let's face it, how pathetic! he is just like those people in England who live on the Doll, in their track suits watching their flat screen TV's their entire lives while the rest of us works! But that will give room to a whole new blog) should be gone immediately if not sooner. He may have done some good, but the damage that he has done will take years to repair. What is worse is the damage that he has done to the minds of the poor north-eastern brazilians. It's Luizaq Erundina all over again!

I think that the problem with the political scene in Brazil is the same as in every single developed western country. The general populus is ignorant. And no I don't mean that as an offence, I mean it literaly. THEY DON'T KNOW! Augustus said it well.

I think that it is important to educate the people and allow them to vote. I wouldn't want the US Primaries in Brazil. That takes away people's constitutional right to chose their leader. They may have chosen poorly, but it is still their right. Let's aim to educate these people to think about the long term and not immediate gains. We have to find a way to teach the general brazilian population that they have to think as a whole. And perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to see a few new faces, new parties and some fresh ideas?!

So, that is my piece. smilies/grin.gif
...
written by TathianaBH, March 05, 2009
Apologies on the pypos in my previous post.
TathianaBH
written by Augustus, March 05, 2009
Tathiana's comments are lucid, yet over-optimistic to a certain point.
Naturally to educate the people in order for Democratic governments (at the Western European level, which is the healthiest at the moment) is the aim, but such a task, considering the impediments involved would take a least 3/4 of a century, if not a couple...
As both Brazilian and American citizen I trust I understand both countries well enough to compare; while I would never claim that the American voters are all educated (most of those are in the Northeastern states, most of the mid-west and the three Western States) even in the least advantegous regions, such as Alabama, Arkansas and Okhlahoma, for instance, most of the "hill-billies" are at least litterate, and most have obtained a High School diploma, whereas the entiredty of Northern/Northeastern Brazilian states, with the exception of the state capitals, are populated by nearly illiterate individuals, living in extreme levels of poverty and without access to basic education. As such, as bad as the situation or the educational level may be in Alamaba & Arkansas, they are far superior to Piaui and Alagoas... Therefore, although the Hill-billies are not likely to be sufficiently educated to make a sound decision at the voting booth, they are better poised to do so than their equivalent in Northern/Northeastern Brazil who are bound to be manipulated by some "Colonel" as the Local Landowners are called, into voting according to his wishes...
TathianaBH
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2009
I think that the problem with the political scene in Brazil is the same as in every single developed western country. The general populus is ignorant. And no I don't mean that as an offence, I mean it literaly. THEY DON'T KNOW! Augustus said it well.


Great comments, Tatiana. Well said. The problem is Augustus´s honesty can be highly irritating, but he is one hell of an outspoken Brasilian. You cant change him. smilies/cheesy.gif
Another brief comment for Tathiana
written by Augustus, March 06, 2009
In connection with the wisest of your statements...
Lula, who in my PERSONAL opinion is a scum-bag,

DITTO!!!! I wholeheartedly share your opinion... (In the unlikely event this important detail could not be automatically deciphered … smilies/grin.gif )
Tatiana… Thanks for separating the oranges from the apples.
written by ....., March 06, 2009
Augustus, you better listen to her, I mean, Tatiana. Her assessment is a valid and fair one, even though I disagree with her regarding Lula. I voted for him twice and I think he has been good for Brasil.

Tatiana…. You are A PLUS in my book.

Bless you,

Costinha

PS: I bet she’s cute too!
COSTA in Agreement (except for Lula)
written by Augustus, March 06, 2009
I agree that Thatiana is very smart, sensible and well educated.
She is also a plus on my book (and i also suspect she is likely to be "pleasing to eye" smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cool.gif ).

Now... regarding your favorite president....
While he may have at some point have had "good intentions", but now he is already corrupt to the bone.... And is BOUND to TRY to follow in the foot steps of that VENUZUELAN BEAST "RULING" his "Bolivarian Socialist serfs" in Caracas....
Mark my words, my young friend smilies/wink.gif
(apenas um aviso aos "navegantes" - como teria dito a minha avo' - LOL)
Scary thought!
written by TathianaBH, March 09, 2009
It's really a frightening thought... Imagine if he follows the footsteps? After all he is personal friends with Castro, do you think he might be taking lessons? Bad, bad joke! 

I only wish that there was a way that we could unequivocally prove to the masses that he is a scum bag who hasn't ever worked and perhaps with some luck we can get someone more qualified for the job next time?! Other wise my friends, we may very well be in the poop for a very long time.

And one more thing Augustus, as they say in the land of samba; Good intentions - hell is full of them (De boas intencoes o inferno esta cheio!).

As much as Lula may have pretended to have good intentions. As much as he may have said that he had no interest in personal profit (what a pile of manure!) and as much as he may have tried to do a good job (NOT!). Although, as we all now know, personally I think that he is a scum bag (God! I never get tired of saying it) there is another important issue that cannot be neglected. HE ISN'T QUALIFIED TO BE THE PRESIDENT!

Oh poop, now I'm in trouble! smilies/wink.gif

As for the rest of the people around him, ministers and the like… seriously, are they trying to dig a hole and bury the country?

Apart from all the problems that I mentioned before, and mind you those are just my point of view, there are some issues that are engrained in Brasilia. In the end we always come back to the same issues, corruption, self preservation and scum-baggage. PT like many labour political parties does very little for the actual workers.

I hope that in my life time we will see a president in Brazil (and hopefully the governors, mayors, senators, etc… will follow suit) that treats the country as a whole. With problem areas, but one country. Instead of segregation there should be a sense of unity.

It’s a fact that the north east of Brazil is challenged in many ways, but surely we can do something about it! Look at Australia as an example, where in the “outback” they have mining, cattle ranches and all sorts of profitable communities. Brazil isn’t a problem, the politicians there (Magalhaes and the alike) are the problem!

As always… that is my piece.

Thanks for the compliments! smilies/wink.gif
TathianaBH,
written by Augustus, March 09, 2009
Your previous entry represents yet another example of your interesting, well-written (and amusing) style, even though at some points, although (at some point or another) I wondered whether you meant to depict concealed criticisms about my views… I felt that there might have been a certain “je ne sais quois…” LOL (Yet, you are surely entitled to criticize – nicely - whoever you wish…)

Regarding the widely used expression "Scum bag" I consider it rather mild, when one take into account the intended target... Indeed, that shameful person, who is currently the Head of Brazilian Government, is an incompetent, deceptive, dishonest, corrupt, cynical, and nearly illiterate creature of low breed from the lowest levels of Brazilian Socio-economic Strata... In addition, because I trust this creature (who bears a pet-like name) deep inside shares the very same dangerous, totalitarian, neo-populist views of the most disgusting creature in the World arena: his good friend Hugo Chavez (who is actually smarter than Lula and appears to be manipulating him to put forth his official and hidden agenda), I fear that he poses a GREAT DANGER for Brazil’s peace, security and, most importantly, LIBERTY…
Creature Keepers
written by Simpleton, March 09, 2009
Due to one without the dedication and drive to do what was known to be needed at the time dependancy on that one elected was certain our caged creatures all died before we returned from visiting fairer spaces. The finch cage shall be disassembled and an aquarium set up in it's place. Perhaps keeping a squid therein, changing the keys and finding some way to void the rule of those who so mistakenly had caused the previously elected to be put in charge to begin with will bring better results in the future. Sorry Augustus, I admit that it CAN happen and HAS happend but totalitarianism does not necessarily equate to nor result in loss of peace, security and or LIBERTY.

TathianaBH, no, I don't think that "now" you "are in trouble" for speaking your view (although it may be quite hazardous for you depending on where the PC you are posting from is located and who is looking over your shoulder). I think other than Abe (and Costa from time to time just to be contrarian), everyone knows we are all in trouble and have been for quite some time.
SIMPLETON
written by Augustus, March 09, 2009
There are different types of AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENTS....
Those who are NOT hypocrete and DO NOT claim to represent and reflect the views of the people (since they were not elected by the voters) CAN be BENIGN DICTATORSHIPS such as IN MY OPINION - the previous military government in Brazil (1964-1985)

Those populist liers who were elected by their ignorant citizens and CLAIM to be fair, democratic and reprent the will of the people (SUCH AS VENEZUELA are NEVER GOOD to anyone buth the rulers and their supporters

Finally, I'm sorry if I do not have the time to edit my writing to please you... looking forward to your next veil attack.
Suba
written by Simpleton, March 09, 2009
Sorry Aug, I did read TOTALitarian not AUTHORitarian as you meant to yu[r. As to you entering into my harem for the veil attack - how dare you think such much less try to get yourself an invitation from me.
Time to bring corruption before an International court
written by ricardo pierce, March 13, 2009
With so much greed and corruption being brought to light around the world, isn’t it time to set up an International court specially to deal with this type of heinous crime. It could operated in a similar fashion to what is already practiced by the International court at The Hague.

This court should however should be located in Switzerland, as they will no doubt have easy access to all records appertaining to the transactions made by these corrupt individuals, making the process of law much faster.

This court would be available for use by any country wishing to bring its citizens to justice by having the right to use the same procedures, or similar ones as used by The Hague Court of Criminal Justice.

By having an international court of law for individuals accused of corruption, lawyers and judges in their own country would be by passed, making it harder for these individuals to bribe them selves out of the process of law.

60% of all monies or from the sale of properties accrued by the individuals would be returned to the individuals country of origin, the remaining 40% would be paid to The Hague Court.

Sentences would be served in a penitentiary colony, where they would have no contact with the outside world, have to work , perhaps something like Guantanamo bay but with out the torture.

Titles and honour what have been awarded to the individuals should they be proven guilty would be taken from them, and after sentence would not be able to have any dealings of finance or be allegeable to stand as a politician for any party or government.
I rest My Case

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