Brazzil

Is Brazil all that complicated to understand.? To me ( most Brazilians think) an arrogant North American I see corruption in most phases of Brazilian life. From the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest to families stealing money meant for the care of its families elderly, police, and other civil corruption, on and on. I try to have an open mind.

Having traveled eastern Europe before the fall of communism, to the struggle to find a stable democracy in places like Ukraine, and Poland. At least I see an effort in Eastern Europe to clean up it’s act. I see none of this or very little in South America. South America never was occupied by Soviet communists like Europe. At least eastern Europeans have that excuse. Streets in Eastern Europe once pot holed are now neatly cobble stoned. Driving in Brazil is a risk for your automobile. The joke is many people think public money for roads and other infrastructure money is being taken by Brazil’s elite to build homes in Miami.

It does not seem Brazilians plan long range about any public infrastructure. If they did they would have a better public school system where children along with parents are required to take responsibility for educating children for Brazil’s future. Lula a socialist? No I do not think so. I am sure Chavez thinks he is a clown.

You get my applauses !
Let me add this : South America doesnt even see that they are losing speed against Asian countries.
Asia invest a lot in technology, R%D, infrastructures just to name a few !
Nearly nothing in South America...comparatively !

- the 3 other BRIC members, all have their drugs companies. South America......close to ZERO !
- the 3 other BRIC members, all have their own cars and trucks makers, outside of the foreign companies in these countries. South America....close to ZERO !
- Russia can go to the moon ! Brazil has its mind...in the moon ! smiles !
- China by now has much more developed infrastructure than Brazil, despite they started decades later than Brazil !
- South Korea is far more advanced technologically than Brazil, despite they were not more advanced..... only 30 years ago. Same for Taiwan, Malaysia. Thailand exports TWICE as much as Brazil....on a a per capita basis.
- even much worse than that : it is cheaper to ship iron ore from Brazil to China, make steel there and re-export to Brazil ! Brazil steel industry is not competitive AT ALL. The steel industry is just protected against foreign steel imports.
Noooo ? My imagination only ?
Tssssk....tssssk !
Even Petrobras....agrees, and not by a small margin :
"Usiminas priced its steel 60 percent higher than the best bid by 11 steelmakers in seven countries, Sergio Machado, president of Petrobras Transporte SA, the transport arm of Petrobras, said in a Feb. 6 interview"

Lets face the sad truth :
- Brazil could have great beaches for tourists.......after they will have cleaned these dirty beaches. Not cleaned ONLY once, but DAILY as is the standard in the high summer season in European countries.
- Brazil could have a great tourism industry after their standard will be upgraded, and brazilians stop stealing, robbing, attacking, harming, over pricing....these tourists !

Until then they will continue to have the tourists....with little money to spend in Brazil.....those having saved a little.... for a year !
Tourism is cheaply commoditized...in Brazil !
In nearly everything they produce...there is no value added...outside of a little bit only !

I know, I know, Brazilians will continue to caress their navel and tell the world how good they are.
As said many times, they better scratch their head.

According to Mr. Archie Bunker, he says “ Bla bla bla …I Try To Have An Open Mind … Bla bla and more bla bla.”


Did you say open mind? Riiiiiiight, you are one of those mighty minds - mighty empty. The only thing you have opened is your BIG mouth!

Costinha

You verbosity carries no punch, only herpes infection.

Shut Up!

Costinha

Is Brazil all that complicated to understand.? To me ( most Brazilians think) an arrogant North American I see corruption in most phases of Brazilian life. From the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest to families stealing money meant for the care of its families elderly, police, and other civil corruption, on and on. I try to have an open mind.

I see corruption in most phases of an American life. From the destruction of all forests, America has destroyed 95% of its forests, stealing money in the U.S. is very easy, especially because tax payers are bailing out AIG et al. in front of the world. Civil corruption and police corruption, how do you think drugs enter the U.S.? How about border officers taking money from illegal immigrants? You don't have a clue do you, Mr. Hassle?

Only in america (notice small a on purpose) can someone still so much and go free. Madoff didn't do all on his own, but your country is allowing his family to go free. Your senate has been bought by the big oil, you want to talk about corruption? Do you read the newspapers? Have you seen some of your senators lately being accused of mass robbery?

You are swimming in s**t and have not even noticed. Clean your stench before coming out in public. Up yours!

and make lipsided observations...man, for gods sake, forgive your daughter and tell her you love her, your bitterness is overwelming ( you should have never come after me for nothing you son of a bitch)

like i said , i met a swiss guy on the beach who cant wait to get the f**k out of switzerland and get to these brazil beaches

i definitly agree, americans cant throw stones at anyone, my f**king god, how can any american critisize corruption in another country after what has happened there..we just went through 8 years of the dark ages

as usual, you throw out negative statements about the beaches of brazil , insinuating they are poluted.again , it is your obscesive bitterness that makes you execute word vomit...

i hardly know this incredbile country, its huge, but , i can tell you in the south i know incredible unpoluted beaches like praia de forte, jurere, brava, mole, joaquina , santinho, in rio de janeiro you have grumari, prainha , in pernambuco you have maracaipe , porto de galinhas and i remember when i lived in recife , boa viagem , they had a crew out every night cleaning the beach, so as usual, you are wrong and exagerating on the negative side...you need to tell your daughter you love her

hey , haas, jees wasnt there a bridge colapse that killed people in the states recently ? i mean common

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03...ref=travel

how could i forget to mention rio das ostras, saquarema, buzios, marasias ,ubatuba , praia do frances...those are just the ones i know, there must be many others i just havent visited yet

i mean citing beaches from big cities isnt fair, you cant swimm in the senne or the thames rivers...los angeles has a huge number of poluted beaches

if your acuracy on citing brazilian beaches as being poluted is like your statistics, there are a lot of flaws in your statistics

The gayman with itchy genItalia, living north of Italia.

Herpie… You Are Fired, you F.u.c.k.i.n.g F.u.c.k.e.r F.r.e.a.k.i.n.g Fool!

Costinha

Regardless of what anyone may say, explain and/or rationalize, convinced that he/she knows (even if covered by volumes of statistical evidence, since ANY data could easily be manipulated into any intended outcome), all of mankind is extremely egotistical, self-centered, capable of crimes of unspeakable crimes!
Without any shadow of a doubt, all humans are inherently liars, corrupted and (potentially) murderers, let alone their obvious proclivity towards committing relatively smaller “infringements” such as robbing museums located in sites of conquered territory (such as Berlin or Baghdad), embezzling an entire nation of impoverished tax payers to finance the well-being of the upper classes (such as the above mentioned AIG scandal), as well as turning a blind eye towards the source of the wealth of one’s nation – even if the source of such immense national fortune emanates from the very (historically) corrupted origins (as it is the case of the Swiss Banking system). Nevertheless the (natural) citizens of such countries do not hesitate to (uninterruptedly) criticize the poorer members of the world community, whose citizens tend to (relatively) openly follow the steps of their (richer) counter-part…

All humans lie and or steal in one way or another, what varies are the levels of acceptability which certain deeds may have reached following decades if not centuries of (formalized/acquired) acceptance thereof… In some cases the theft or the corruption happened far too long ago thereby enabling those, in their high (moral) horses to acknowledge the murderous, criminal if not violent and inhuman fashion by which their respective “civilized nations” became so wealthy...

One needs only to take at quick glance at Zurich and Washington DC in order to witness these very “deeds” at work – officially and legally of course, for they have been covered by lovely mantels of acceptability and propriety by long departed ancestors… Likewise one may look further back into history, to the very origins of Western civilization in order to examine and analyze a clear example of human hypocrisy: ancient Sparta - where the poor young boys recruited into a horrific life of difficult and harsh training, were encouraged to steal as a necessary tool for survival… HOWEVER, if caught stealing would be severely punished by their elders (and/or older peers) who provided the very encouragement…

It is very simple for the wealthy and powerful to blame on the weaker, poorer countries, in the same way as the older Spartan boys did over 2,500 years ago; Likewise it’s very easy for the United States or Switzerland to blame Brazil and (lets say) Nigeria for a certain type of behavior that was readily condoned for the Russians when the Soviet Union imploded and those elements who happened to be in the right place at the right time participated in the greatest collective theft in the world’s history… Yes, there were editorials about it in New York and Geneva newspapers. But once over – a “fait accomplit” – there has been seldom whispers about it, for it’s much easier to blame and criticize on the poorer nations, in the same way adolescent males may torture and intimidate younger boys (as opposed to others who bear the same size and strength).

Yet, one must also acknowledge that in the Third World countries (particularly Brazil - one of its richest components) have far more cases of corruption than most other nations. Moreover, we must admit that it does unfortunately represent so deeply ingrained part of our culture (where it became so widespread) that those who live within such society become relative impervious to inadmissibly flagrant ways that politicians steal and lie from/to their electorates, promote patronage to their family and supports and conduct illegal deals left & right… (in the same way a cigarette smoker would hardly be able to perceive the smell of tobacco clearly noticeable – for non-smokers- in a given room).

Nevertheless, I am convinced that it should be up to those few educated Brazilians who remain immune from the nefarious elements of their societies to have the RIGHT to criticize their own nation (as well as to take steps in a brave, necessary attempt to do something about it), AS OPPOSED to the SELF-DELUSIONAL NON-Brazilians to keep on pointing their accusative fingers (filled with historical blood – still tainted from past crimes) as they sit upon their HIGH-HORSES as if they were immune from this COMMON human plague…

HUMANITY by nature is corrupt, selfish and self-delusional... Differences measured by Levels & Intensity thereof… Hypocrisy of “First World” citizens…

A fantastic essay and my hats off to you. It would be nice if there are more outspoken "World Citizens" like you in this site.

Best regards

Jurere 'International' has its own sewage treatment plant, unlike most of Santa Catarina Island.There are plans for other Beach areas, including Jurere(tradicional),Canasvieras and Ingleses but already there is a heated debate on the location of one plant in a mangrove preservation area.
The point is,the MAJORITY of the public do not have access to any waste treatment- only 45.14% of the population of Florianopolis,for example.(Diario Catarinense 04 April 08 - 'Esgoto,vergonha para o turismo de Santa Catarina')

exactly why i didnt include inglesis and canasveiras, but, mole and joaquina have clean swimable beaches, so does brava. lets add praia de rosa as another great beach

although not having waste treatment does affect a beach area, those beaches dont have residences . clean beaches are a differant subject than who has waste treatment...there can be plenty of comunities with out waste treatment but these beaches , with out residents are all accesible. i didnt say brazil is pristine in every beach , i said they have a lot of pristine beachs. it isnt just a blanket statement that it is all poluted beaches.rio das ostras has their thing together, so does porto de galinhas and marakaipe

That was funny, why does President Obama hesitates and stammer so much during his interview to Jay Leno while explaning AIG's millionaire bonuses? Do I have the wrong information or Obama assigned one of Ronald Regan's big shot finance advisors who deregulated the whole US financial system, went back to the finance market as a powerful bank director and now is back after the banking system almost went bankrupt as one of Obama's financial advisors? Is Obama already having Lula's caninha??

That was funny, why does President Obama hesitates and stammer so much during his interview to Jay Leno while explaning AIG's millionaire bonuses? Do I have the wrong information or Obama assigned one of Ronald Regan's big shot finance advisors who deregulated the whole US financial system, went back to the finance market as a powerful bank director and now is back after the banking system almost went bankrupt as one of Obama's financial advisors? Is Obama already having Lula's caninha??

Nevertheless, I am convinced that it should be up to those few educated Brazilians who remain immune from the nefarious elements of their societies to have the RIGHT to criticize their own nation (as well as to take steps in a brave, necessary attempt to do something about it), AS OPPOSED to the SELF-DELUSIONAL NON-Brazilians to keep on pointing their accusative fingers (filled with historical blood – still tainted from past crimes) as they sit upon their HIGH-HORSES as if they were immune from this COMMON human plague… /quote]


Well what's good for the goose is good for the gander and you're contradicting yourself from the opening paragraph to the close!

Weren't you born in Brazil? Aren't you criticizing the U.S.? Well, you have NO right! You have a green card? Oh, you're now a full-fledged american are ya? But you weren't born there!! You have NO RIGHT Lord Augustus!! Am I mistaken or did I hear something similiar in one of Hitler's speeches?

So I guess the WORLD has no right to criticize the U.S.!!

Correct?

Because, afterall, the U.S. must be the most criticized country on the face of the planet, and understandably so being the only superpower. But do you hear americans screaming, crying, ranting....."oh no, they're talking bad about us, we poor americans".

If Brazil is so paranoid and sensitive about their national pride and can't stand the fact that "foreigners" may, not insult them, but actually state facts that isn't all just blowing sunshine up their asses, then they should close their doors and cease to be a part of worldwide commerce, trade, etc. Don't let any foreigners in and don't let any brazilians out!


Here, maybe you'll like this....

Brazil is the greatest country on planet earth. You can drive down the road blind drunk at 100 mph in a 40 mph zone with a beer between your legs and run into a police roadblock and never get a ticket as long as you have more than 10 US dollars in your pocket.....WHAT A COUNTRY!

Brazil is the greatest country on planet earth.....you never need to worry about not having someone to "watch your car" when parked on the street! WHAT A COUNTRY!

Brazil is the greatest country on planet earth....You can have a fulltime employee that will scrub and clean your house, prepare your meals, and watch your kids all for 200 US. dollars a month!! WHAT A COUNTRY! (just don't ask her to help teach your child how to read or write!)


Ya know, now that I think of it, Robert E. Lee sure would've loved Brazil if he were alive and well today!!

the other thread is disapearing

first, the differance between you and augustus is that augustus sais good things about the usa as well as bad. he has some balance but, you dont...i cant count your begrudgingly saying you love some things about brazil as balance...what do you love about brazil ? (your sarcastic example just doesnt count)

then you tie my hands up saying dont counter with what is wrong with the usa on the subject of nationals responding hostily if foreiners insult...look at the miami herald americas articles and comments forums, huge amounts of americans hostily attack any one they perceive as forein born if they critisize america...i dont justify that, i just say its only some of the people not all the people...many brazilians have come in here defending goldman,,and for the last time i will say i fundimentaly agree he should be with his father

i have regularly spoken up here about things like people in government who dont ackowledge farc is dangerous , racism , the battisti case (there is a case i beleive i will end up disapointed about) , the cubans being sent back to cuba etc

and i have said and continue to say, good luck with your daughter , and, i said i dont bother you if you come in here and vent. but,it just isnt enough for you and you HAVE made implications to me like something was wrong because i just didnt jump up and agree with every thing you are saying about this case or your take on brazilian justice.and your attempt to make brazil out as some out of control rougue state. you use examples like prostitution , which is ridiculas compared to south east asia or the raperbaum in hamburg or what ive seen in new york city (at least when i was living there). i mean, where do you come from ? do you know the world at all ? prostitution is rampant in many parts of the world

but you continue to have a onesided constant flow of negative , unbalanced comments about brazil

its like saying all the beaches in brazil are poluted , and, someone reading that will come away with the impresion all the beaches in brazil are poluted,which is false. i come in because swimming in beaches is a passion of mine and i know for a fact there are a number of beaches that arnt poluted that i can swimm in, and then DU comes in and tries to site beaches that are poluted, but, i never said all the beaches were pristine, i said there are a number of beaches that are pristine .

this goldman case isnt the only time you have come in here with a nonstop one sided generalising blatent criticism of brazil. and, someone needs to come in and balance your criticisms or they will think "all the beaches in brazil are poluted" ( of course meaning they may beleive your constant negative take on brazil)

bo , ch c, forrest allen brown, ric etc come in here and say some things about what they love about brazil...no sarcasm , just straght up love...positive comments about the country and the people and the culture...then at least i can perceive your balance and can look at your criticisms with more objectivity

as far as the goldman case, bo, you should take a lesson from "supporter", who knew how to be fair and balanced about the arguments

Bash Fest?
written by bo, March 21, 2009
Never asked you to join in a brazil bash fest!! Much to the contrary!! Only have asked for you, and others, to ADMIT what brazil has done and is doing is WRONG!!

But unfortunately for people like you, and many others, they then call it a "bash fest" and attempt to justify this behavior by saying, "but it happens in other countries too"....well, ok, yes it does, but not in epidemic proportions!

There are numerous things I like about this country ASP, but one thing that astounds me is when a case like this, that is so black and white in the eyes of justice, and people try and justify it. "Oh, well that poor little boy, now he's been in Brazil for 5 years, he's already accustomed to life here and now he has a family here".

Well, ok, so that's the justification we're going to use to sanction the kidnapping of children? So if I kidnap a child here in Brazil and return to the U.S. with him/her or any other country and avoid getting caught by the authorities for one, two, three years, here in Brazil that isn't a worry as when they locate you they say that they didn't, then the justice and people are going to scream for the child to stay in the country because he's already "adapted"?? What kind of actions/crimes are we condoning?

Do you see what kind of torted logic that is or are you really someone that just can't be reached?

My issue isn't the U.S. vs. Brazil here ASP, it's justice.

You want to talk about the Iraq war, the sub-prime mortgage crises? Bernie Madoff or the military industrial complex? I'll be right there with you bashing the U.S. but I'm also going to be bashing the brazilian gov't. or judiciary when they allow atrocities like this (Sean Goldman case) to occur with REGULARITY and the abducting parents are subject to a policy of IMPUNITY.

And that's the difference as well as the problem. You want to criticize the U.S. and you have justifiable reasons? I'll listen and agree and chip in my two cents and it won't be some lame attempt to justify their actions or if/when I discover your from another country I won't start to holler, "american hater". But then, when someone, specifically a GRINGO, criticizes Brazil, it doesn't matter if he's 100% justified, simply because he's a gringo people take offense!!! And if what I just said wasn't a certifiable fact they wouldn't make beer commercials on brazilian television about it!!! That's how well known it is concerning Brazil's blind "patriotism" and ignorance. THEY can complain about Brazil.....but let a foreigner? Can you see and admit what type of ignorance and arrogance that is? Now don't look for scapegoats, don't start searching for something that people in the U.S. do too that you're going to try to compare that behavior to to justify it......ok?

As you have just stated, you believe that my whole emotional involvement in this case is because of my dislike or grievances with Brazil......you couldn't be more incorrect! If the situation would be in reverse and the U.S. gov't. would be allowing the parental kidnapping, and what has turned into outright kidnapping, then I would be in front of the capitol building in washington protesting!

I have a daughter ASP, a little girl. And I have stayed here in Brazil for the last 7.5 years ONLY because of her. I would've much rather moved back to the U.S. I was in the midst of moving back when my daughters mother got pregnant. Although I am 100% convinced that my daughter would be better off growing up in the U.S. and the city where I'm from I did not kidnap her. I did not take her from her mother and her mothers family as she loves them. I could never do that to my daughter. I simply love her too much. Love is not selfish, it is quite the opposite, it's selfless. Unfortunately in this case of Sean Goldman we have seen the epitomy of selfishness. A woman that took her son from the only place he ever knew as home, away from his father that after being investigatied from a*****e to appetite has found to be noting more than a loving father and devoted husband. But you see, Sean's mother was from the "carioca elite", in New Jersey she didn't have a maid to order around, she didn't have a driver, a gardener, a bodyguard. She took her son and kidnapped him to Brazil, a place where she well knew is a "safe-haven" for parental kidnappers. Brazil's participation in the Hague is simply "para os ingleses ver".

Con't.
written by bo, March 21, 2009
It was you, and João, and others, that were saying one, two months ago, "Well, this is a family matter, there's always two sides to the story". That may be right, most of the time, in this case there really isn't. It's a cut and dry case. And, this is not a "family matter" when you have a country or countries that are sanctioning and protecting and creating safehavens for the kidnappers of children......American children. I think it's hilarious when I read statements from the OAB and my neighbor Cezar Britto and he states how "terrible wrong and offensive the involvement of the U.S. gov't. and american media". What would Cezar and others with this point of view have one do? David Goldman has been fighting for FIVE YEARS! The U.S. gov't. has just gotten involved in the last 3 months! What should he do?? Keep quiet? Keep his mouth shut? The U.S. gov't. and state department shouldn't come to the aid of an american who's had his child illegally taken to another country?

For guys like you Bo(bão)… If you can’t stand Brasil then LEAVE, you have that choice! Why are you here if you hate it so much? Nobody is forcing you to stay and certainly, Brasil don’t need your kind nor want you here.

However, if you decide to stay in Brasil, then make this country a better place for all of us instead of vomiting your negative views and continuous flow of malicious criticism. It is easier to tear down something then it is to build it…. And besides, the grass always appears greener on the other side, as you contrast Brasil with the US frequently.

Next time you feel the urge to humiliate everything that is Brasilian, take a deep breath and say to yourself "love it or leave it,” and then, just pack-up and go. I think, by and large, there will be nobody shedding tears at your departure.

Bo(bão), all you are doing on this forum is to perpetuate the “Ugly American” cliché.

Good day,


Costinha

The biggest misconception in the Sean Goldman case. Sean is a Brasilian child; in fact, he has double-citizenship, hence, not a cut and dry situation.

I just hope the Brasilian court sides with Sean's maternal family and the boy stays in Brasil, rather then with Mr. David Goldman. Mr. Goldman is trying to have the last word, a revenge, regarding his ex-wife leaving his nest. Justice will be done!

Costinha

And here in Brazil most brazilians would call this "racist", which makes me laugh as they evidently don't know the definition of the word. Check this out.

Criminal Aspects: Under Brazilian law, parental abduction is a crime when committed within Brazil and both parents are Brazilian. An international parental abduction, involving a Brazilian parent taking a child to Brazil in interference with a foreign parent’s custodial rights, is not considered a crime.(!!!!!!) Additionally, the Brazilian Constitution prohibits the extradition of its own nationals, preventing a taking parent of Brazilian nationality from being extradited for parental kidnapping.


Now, how much more discrimatory can a law get? If you're brazilian and you kidnap your kid it's ILLEGAL unless the other parent is a FOREIGNER!!!!!!!!

Yeah ASP, there's a few things I really love about Brazil, I'm talking seriously, but for the mostpart they are things where the law is "lax" in Brazil or where you don't have to adhere to the rules of society and pretty much show a blatent disregard and disrespect for others!! When one thinks about it, it's kind of absurd. And when one sees laws and rules like the one I just posted above....well, what can one say? This country protects criminals.....period.

Can you or anyone honestly imagine that a law existing in the U.S. where an act is LEGAL when performed against a foreigner but NOT when against one of his fellow countrymen???!!!

Me-desculpe, mas esse pais é um pais de vagabunda. E agora, voce não gosta porque eu sou estrangeiro e falando isso? Tudo bem então, eu vou mandar meu amigo brasileiro para 'ca e ele vai falar muito mais coisas que eu......e agora? Esta tudo bem porque ELE é brasileiro??

Voce e os otros que pensam como voce 'ta doido! Voce apereçe como voce já virou brasileiro meu amigo, jeitinho e tudo.

I'll listen and agree and chip in....... bla bla bla!

Yeaahh, right, that would be a first! Bo(bão)... to make mistake is human, to insist is stupidity. Up Yours!

Costinha

c**kstinha, because I criticize brazil does that mean that I hate it? Obviously to you it does, and obviously you are very closed-minded!! One of the reasons that I come on here and show the point of view that I do is because of xenophobic, nationalista, brazilian idiots like you. There are a LOT of things about this country that I really like.

Now, if we could only get rid of a lot of the idiot brazilian like you c**ksta this place would really be great!!


NOW....do you want to talk about the kid being "Brazilian"?

Here's Globo's interview with a federal judge of 21 years...think he knwos a little more than you about this INTERNATIONAL situation...

O que tem sido irrelevante nos argumentos da família brasileira?
Tudo. É só conversa mole para retardar o processo. A única coisa relevante está na carta do advogado (Ricardo Zamariola Jr.) que diz assim: “para solução desta questão deve-se investigar apenas se a remoção da criança (dos EUA) foi lícita ou ilícita.” Partindo-se do artigo 1º da Convenção de Haia, acabou-se o problema.

E sobre a exceção prevista na Convenção para manter a criança no Brasil?
Se o pai legíltimo, que sofreu os efeitos da retenção indevida do menor, não tivesse agido em até 1 ano da data de retenção, aí sim a guarda poderia ser provisoriamente mantida no país para garantir as urgências da vida do menino. Mas não é o caso. O Estado brasileiro deveria ter devolvido a criança, a qualquer custo, em até seis semanas, e isso não aconteceu.

Do you want more...because there's lots...

http://oglobo.globo.com/blogs/brasilcomz/post.asp?t=juiz-brasil-perde-muito-mantendo-sean-no-pais&cod_Post=170168&a=569

Have a nice day!

c**kstinha!! Love it or leave it. I just knew you were a smart guy! Cem percent brasileiro!!!


Wasn't that big fabricated story about the U.S. history books and teaching their children that the amazon was international territory cooked up by some crazies from a group called "Brasil, Amo-lo ou deixa-lo"? I'm pretty sure it was!!! I bet you're their ringleader aren't ya c**ksta buddy??


http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/216-us-annexes-amazon-forest/

My dear friend…. You can pour an entire gallon of the most exclusive French perfume on a PIG, however, at the end of the day, the PIG still a PIG.

The US is not really that different from Brasil. Case in point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter


Based on a true story, the movie “Not Without My Daughter” (1991, starring Sally Fields), depicts the real life escape of Betty Mahmoody (an American citizen) and her daughter from her husband in Iran. The husband never authorized the removal of his daughter from Iran, even though, she was born in the US.

Now then, Mr. Bo(bão)….. What do you call that? It could be called child abduction, don’t you think? Did the US ever return the child to Iran after repeated requests from the biological father? I think not!

I rest my case,

Costinha

Well, if you're going to compare Brazil and Iran and sharia law.....dude, I'm bellylaughing!!!

And I don't think Iran is in the Hague...please correct me if I'm wrong!


You're the best c**ksta....simply the best!!

you say i cant use the usa as an example , but, you do all the time , and you say costa cant use iran...be careful cat, you are starting to cross the line here calling me doido. im discussing this with you because you started by criticising something i said, so we are having a discusion, you start to ridicule me and you will be ridiculed back. i never came in and discussed these things with you before, just like i never criticised ch c until he started ridiculing me. but you chose to critisize some statements i have made , and you are getting close to ridicule, cat .i just dont agree with you , you aint convincing me, and, you continue to make large generalisations about brail and its people.

you just make too many generalised critical put down statements.

you want an argument without bringing the usa in ? there are lots of brazilians on here agreeing with you, yet you portray as though all brazilians act like you said...not true

and im getting tired of your portrayal of me when i already said i fundamentaly agree the boy should be with the father, so back off buddy

in my opinion goldman paid a lawyer huge money and didnt get results. she advised him to do this or that and it didnt work. i would have done it differently, i would have been down in brazil near my kid looking for the high powered brazilian lawyer who knows the system that his lawyer didnt.

man, laws and rights dont mean anything, they are violated all over the world.i dont trust any governments to look out after me. my big problems are with the usa government and its arcaic immigration and naturalization laws, its one hell . any where you pick in the world is tradeoffs . they all have their own ways of doing things.i can do things in the usa i cant in brazil and i can do things in brazil i cant in the usa

im really not emotionaly involved with goldman and his situation,he sure aint involved with my problems, i just am not going to get worked up about it. to me , he did it wrong, by playing hard ball back, and listening to a lawyer who didnt know what she was doing. he lost these years with his son he could have had ,instead, he tried to be right , and, its backfired, at least 4 years not next to his kid is backfiring to me

just got back from a pristine day on the beach, body surfing and just having one of those days that clean your soul and make you feel wonderful...

the world is tradeoffs, and im so happy at my desicion to be down here to have days like this

and has superior rights and all due "say so" as he has achieved a "superior" (box of detergent) rating due to his up-end parental contributions (and is also a "full" brasileiro). That is the customary view and in the eyes of all what's in the lei has nothing to do with anything (and the judiciary will pass judgement in his "favor" every time in deference to his "real" brasileiro status).

While bo and others fearlessly tread such dangerous waters, I am not so brave (although being originally from the land thereof). Going to / setting up permanent presence no minha pais adotivo, no matter how badly hurt my heart is for not doing, no matter how many folks and families there that that might make a difference and long term progressive upward impact to, is simply a matter that is out of the question unless I were to break down and consider doing so "illegally". The costa's, ABE's, carioca rico's, etc., are the guarantee that I could not be sucessful it that, either legally or illegally, unless I was willing to pay 208% of gross in tax or 10X the cost of a "true" brasileiro. Where o where is our favorite "shoe store" magnate family member that once acknowledged how much "off the books" business their family "had" to do just to "break even"?

pounding sand up ASP's backside and he enjoying the cleaning of his soul that that provides so immensly . .. -) Scour to hearts content dude - you make me very jealous but I'd rather make reparada psicologica and sit quietly fishing even if they're not biting today.

im really not emotionaly involved with goldman and his situation,he sure aint involved with my problems, i just am not going to get worked up about it. to me , he did it wrong, by playing hard ball back, and listening to a lawyer who didnt know what she was doing. he lost these years with his son he could have had ,instead, he tried to be right , and, its backfired, at least 4 years not next to his kid is backfiring to me

Well, according to you, he should've given into the demands of the kidnappers? Right? If he would've visted his child it was either one of two situations...

1.) The Bianchi's were insisting for him to sign a document where he would give up all his parental/guardianship rights.

2.) His very act of accepting visitation would've been an affirmation of his child, being held illicitly, as not being.

Do you understand? What is so difficult about this to understand?

Is it prudent to negotiate with terrorists? What about people that kidnap?

If people are willing to negotiate, does that not enforce their actions?

I'm tired of talking about this......if you believe this s**t then you are "doido"......doido mesmo.


So now what? You gonna pay some toothless idiot from the favela 25 U.S. dollars to murder me and my family? Ahhhhh....the brazilian way.

Because you can ya know!

Costinha is right
written by Simpleton, March 21, 2009
and has superior rights and all due "say so" as he has achieved a "superior" (box of detergent) rating due to his up-end parental contributions (and is also a "full" brasileiro). That is the customary view and in the eyes of all what's in the lei has nothing to do with anything (and the judiciary will pass judgement in his "favor" every time in deference to his "real" brasileiro status).

While bo and others fearlessly tread such dangerous waters, I am not so brave (although being originally from the land thereof). Going to / setting up permanent presence no minha pais adotivo, no matter how badly hurt my heart is for not doing, no matter how many folks and families there that that might make a difference and long term progressive upward impact to, is simply a matter that is out of the question unless I were to break down and consider doing so "illegally". The costa's, ABE's, carioca rico's, etc., are the guarantee that I could not be sucessful it that, either legally or illegally, unless I was willing to pay 208% of gross in tax or 10X the cost of a "true" brasileiro. Where o where is our favorite "shoe store" magnate family member that once acknowledged how much "off the books" business their family "had" to do just to "break even"?

A "thank you" is enough.


Thank you simpleton.....thank you.

When you want nothing from folks that may or may not have nothing to give nor they have want or need of anything from you, a "thank you" is actually a very very big thing. That ever so slight step one takes that is seen as being beyond just being a familiar or community member has a power to influence that the typical Nova Yorker / Jerseykinder / Shytowner / Paulista just couldn't relate to.

BTW: Has anybody mentioned recently that you can find brasileiros/as (regardless of whether their origins are from eons past to newcomers of a generation or three ago) to be some of the most polite, cordial, friendly, decent people you might chance to encounter? Obama will never know what is truth but then again he will probably never need to either v "Yet the underlying trend is that the political liberty established at the end of the 1980s has - albeit slowly - been generating more professional parties that are also seeking a clearer ideological and policy focus, and thus a new relationship with voters." Clearer focus ??? A (true) relationship with voters ??? - now that's a conspiracy theory - let's hope it works and we can all some day say thank you to somebody / anybody.

im tired of talking about it too , and being mischaractorised....

just give your daughter a few more years and she will be able to make her own choice to go with you to the states and you can be happy finily

no beach time, unfortunately.....and I'm right across the street! I participated in a talkshow from Belo Horizonte about this case and others like it.

Because I love, honor and respect the country where I live and whose citizenship I have elected to obtain and embrace, I shall not follow instinctual urge to reply in kind to BO(binho)'s immature, one-sided, biased, nearly racist (yet thoroughly prejudiced), and entirely irrelevant and loathsome comments.

Unlike this disagreeable individual, not only I appreciate and honor my adopted country but I fully love and admire its culture, history and traditions despite some of its short-comings and unappealing points – bearing in mind that every human concept (nation/institution/organization) can ever be deemed “perfect”. As such, reminding myself that I’m no longer an immature adolescent, I refrain from refuting Bo(binho)’s most recent attempt to insult me (along the same pathway).

Nevertheless, I must state (and clarify) that objective, constructive criticism of any visitor and/or new member of a “given family” not only should be praised and appreciated but also encouraged by the natives/original residents; this approach is in fact particularly significant for Brazil (in view of its enormous legal/cultural issues) where any positive assessment and critique should be deemed as helpful contributions, IF provided by NON-Brazilians who elected to remain within its shores and make it his/her new home (and especially those who elected to take up citizenship).

Unfortunately, however, this exceedingly bitter person (who either is emotionally unstable or possesses questionable integrity) displays subjective, one-sided and biases views of his adopted home, as he appears to make a special point to belittle his “new country”, earmarking some of its (obvious) negative cultural and legal features whereas deliberately humiliating the welcoming hosts along with their “house rules”, treating them as common criminals and/or cheap prostitutes.

What this reproachable, offensive (little) man criticized, upon reading my previous entry (above), merely reflects the limited, one-side nature of his Worldview by presuming that I had behaved in the same fashion and had attacked my very own adopted land, which is not the case! My words were intended to highlight the imperfect nature of humanity (regardless of one’s culture) and reminding Brazil’s critics the (equally) flawed historical baggage of their own nations. Likewise, I objected to criticisms of Non-Brazilian elements who have never lived in the country, and consequently are not entitled (in MY view) to pass judgment whereas overlooking their own dirty laundry.

In essence, it saddens me to witness unconsidered, self-centered entities displaying the most unattractive features of humanity: hypocrisy and ingratitude.
Using a common expression in the language of Bo(binho)’s host country to describe this type of behavior: “ele esta cuspindo no prato onde come”…
Very sad, utterly sad…

No wonder this (little) disagreeable element appears to be so distressed and/or unstable...

could be used against you Augustus.

Unfortunately, however, this exceedingly bitter person (who either is emotionally unstable or possesses questionable integrity)/quote]

And please, don't question my integrity, you don't even know me. The very fact that you have is enough for people to draw their own conclusions.

If many here, including yourself, were able to emotionally handle a foreigner criticizing brazil and instead of looking for scapegoats, actually admitted the problem and looked for solutions that would go a long way in Brazil changing for the better. But as long as this "point your finger" culture continues, and the so-called "educated" brazilians such as yourself call for only "brazilians" to criticize the country....well, it's quite a bit close-minded. It must of been people like you that made laws like this...

Criminal Aspects: Under Brazilian law, parental abduction is a crime when committed within Brazil and both parents are Brazilian. An international parental abduction, involving a Brazilian parent taking a child to Brazil in interference with a foreign parent’s custodial rights, is not considered a crime.(!!!!!!) Additionally, the Brazilian Constitution prohibits the extradition of its own nationals, preventing a taking parent of Brazilian nationality from being extradited for parental kidnapping. /quote]

and i understand what he means...he even went through 9/11

but , bo, i dont even want to get in a debate about what you think augustus meant so im not going to attack what you want to say, go ahead and vent...

i just had another one of those near perfect on earth days here , again .my business is suffering here and in the usa , equally in both countries, so i would be sucking wind any where i live now, and , i have a day like this that just makes all those stresses seem less important than they loomed with out the sun shining....i just dont have time to bust heads about the value of brazil...this place is treasure...this place gets me in touch with my soul...and eases the pain.....go ahead and vent all you want....

Better get Nancy Pelosi's take on this case before opining.

If you would put your mind in place i have said many a good thing about brasil even
telling Chc not to make all brasilians out to be his last ex

as i have said many of times brasil is like most countries
the land is grate , its the government that sucks along with its lack of proper inforcement of its own laws .
its lack of dealing with its own internal faults .

sounds like the US right ??????????

THAT IS WHY I LIVE MY LIFE ON MY BOAT
I DONT ADHEAR TO LAWS IN EATHER COUNTRY
AS THEY ARE FAULTED BY THE VERY ONES SOWRN
TO ENFORCE THEM

????

it seems like most of what you say is against brazil, but,i aprediete your attemt to clarify where you are coming from

i agree both countries have a lot to work on

Futher to your recent exchange, particularly ASP last entry, I must outline and important detail:
Compared to the vast majority of the countries on the face of this planet, especially those outside Western Europe & Canada, both countries being discussed - USA & BRAZIL, should be considered paradise, in spite of their respective obvious flaws...
In essence, as bad as some aspects of these countries can be, there is FAR worse out ranging from the extreme povery of central Africa to religious intolerance and conflict in Middle Eastern / Islamic nations, not to mention the rigors of complete totalitarianism of Myamar (Burma) and North Korea...

and that is all im looking for , is some kind of balance to the criticims...

god, i just had one more of those dream days that heal the deep tissue areas of the soul....i mean its been about 4 days in a row now, i cant cut this country down when it is giving me so much ....i would be a hypacrit...and i just find that the things that people find wrong with brazil, there are coralating things in the usa

and i sure agree with you, there are huge areas of the planet that are far worse off than either the usa or brazil

If you would put your mind in place i have said many a good thing about brasil even
telling Chc not to make all brasilians out to be his last ex

In all fairness to you, you have said many good things about Brasil and also indicated good spots for the tourists to visit. I think our good buddy ASP missed some of your posts.

As for the comments of our other buddy Augustus, I agree with ASP that his comments are well balanced and indeed is another "Un Homme San Frontìere", just like us.

Cheers, all of you

Since I no longer can post messages in Brazzil.mag until the management do something about id/passwords, I'm entereing here this interesting information here so that one of you may elect to convey to the interested parties, in case this issue remains under heated debated:
As I've been regularly watching RT News (Russian News Network International in English) I just hear that a brand new custody battle is bound to iniate along "equivalent" lines as the Brazilian boy. The Russian mother (unlike the Brazilian) actually took the child from the French father's residence, and it appears that the girl is already in Moscow. Although the Russian police has not yet "certified" to the European Union that the girl is indeed within Russian Territory, they have already warned both PARIS and Brussels, that since the girl is also a Russian Citizen, in the event she is located anywhere within Russian borders she WILL NOT be returned to the father...

Two intersting events, one old and the other recent are being celebrated today - LOL, as follows:
1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns

1999: Nato begins bombing Serb forces in Kosovo, where atrocities are being committed against ethnic Albanians

LOL

I tell people not to take there boat or any equipment to brasil
as when it get there it never comes back out.

27 boats have been taken by brasilian navy , police & others .

very few movies are shot in brasil as the camra and sound equipment
are stolen ,movies like run down were started in the amazon but lost 85% of there equipment to thieft even with guards on it , just to name one .

eurocoptor lost a complete set of hammers to set rotor vibraiton
in the AS3 and others over $145.000 then the brasilian company refused to pay the bill for there use .

someone even took some of the musicial equipment from
the stones , U2 & miss M last tour .

and the land deals that have gone down where some one sells land and
a gringo works it and then it is taken by the so called real owner are too many to count

The major thing i have is the brasilian law only works one way
even if the gringo is right he is wrong in brasilian courts

that is why brasil will never be safe as there is no truth to law and rights for the poor and gringoes .

Thanks for the message, Milord!

1603: Elizabeth I dies and is succeeded by James VI of Scotland, unifying the English and Scottish crowns

Very interesting and pacific way of unifying two nations!

1999: Nato begins bombing Serb forces in Kosovo, where atrocities are being committed against ethnic Albanians

A noble cause by the NATO. I remember this very well. You might be happy to know that I am still not a candidate for Alzheimer's disease. Forrest forwarded me a test and I passed it by flying colors.

BTW, I wonder why you are being ostracized in the sister site. Any idea?

Although the Russian police has not yet "certified" to the European Union that the girl is indeed within Russian Territory, they have already warned both PARIS and Brussels, that since the girl is also a Russian Citizen, in the event she is located anywhere within Russian borders she WILL NOT be returned to the father...

I wonder what "Mr.Jack Daniels" has to say about it. Probably he is being "ostracized" in both sites.

Cheers

Due to signifnicant issue with the ONLY Laptop which had automatic id/password(it got wiped out), I do not recall it, and neither the reset password works, neither does MAG management reply
Regarding posting without, I could never go through the letters for authentication; which is further exacerbated by the very technical issues which caused the problem, since now I cannot even see what the letters are... I just gave up...
Regarding this laptop being fixed, the burocracy at work is so huge, that I would have to ship it to Virginia, but I cannot do without it in order to work - my other pc's have the usual problem (the letters are never accepted.
Due to the never end series of CATCH-22 situations, I just gave up... NEVER FREAKING MIND....

Aug, you will have to enter the codes at least two times if not three every stinking time - to avoid, write your post and have it copied to your clipboard before entering the article you want to comment to. Do a quick paste and post with the code. If you're not even seeing the codes, best you do a thorough purge / dump / house cleaning of your PC and run some antiviral as well as registry repair. Also might want to note it appears some capitol letters "might" be being used ocassionally in the code - haven't yet figured how to confirm. JD also seems to have been wrongly "barred" from some sites - but in his case it's personal.

Thanks for the info
the issue is that in cases, I creted TEST entries "test" on my text (so that I would have to worry about losing anything), and have attempted more the NINE or TEN times - never accepted!!!!
Thoroughly ridiculous.... My other computers I tried even more than 10 times...
As such, I get so VERY ANGRY and FRUSTRATED, that I just do not try anymore to avoid getting unencessirily "WORKED UP" and "ANGRY" which unfortunately does not require much... LOL
Thanks again

Another habit to get into, after entering your comment, block select and copy to the clipboard then leave the site, come back and paste it back into the comment area. Reduces the frustration of trying to get back into the mindset and coverage aspects you punched in by having to punch all over again. AUpdates and what not also can hit you. Be sure you put in a "valid" looking Email if you see it has become blank, might need to be sure what you put in the Title box doen't have "odd" characters. Either of those will may cause an authentication failure even if you typed in the relatively recently required "security image ..." characters. Speaking of ..., why haven't we seen our favorite harpee in the last half hour or so?

What browser do you use? I use Firefox 2 series.

I just cannot deal with it.
In addition this laptop has other issues, whereby the color flips back and forth from 8-bit to 32-bit color setting which none of PC exports in my company can figure.
Yet, I have the same issue at my personal lap tops
I have internet explorer, and I do not have either the technological knowledge, nor the guts to even consider trying changing it.
I will just never go to MAG again. Unless the management adjusts the passwords reset errors I'm also experiencing... Rodney has not replied to my messages.
As such, I'm just dropping the issue, for I cannot tolerate it.

This is only a test

Quoting the words of the Duchess of Letner - addressing His Grace, her husband, during a stroll through Hyde park - closing of one of my favorite movies (whose title bears the same name),:
"There will always be Aristocrats"

As such, following a long valiant battle against the Anarchists of Cyber Space, I am delighted to announce to all friends and allies within Brazzil.Mag that whichever cyber revolutionary Group may have attempted to assassinate my persona, as my Cyber-Carriage was passing through, has FAILED, was arrested, and immediately dispatched to "the Tower" for further "queries" prior to execution... LOL

Consequently Augustus Severus has returned to opinionate and arbitrate, as required.

pretty funny s.h.i.t..........Hehehehehe



Costa

I try to entertain my friends... if any thing... Whenever not "questioning" prisoners "under duress" in the tower, of course! Haha Hahaha (Evil Laughter... Squeezing my hands back & forth... Like the vilains do in a Hanna Barbera cartoon)