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In Rural Brazil When You Need "Justice" You Just Hire Your Hit Men PDF Print E-mail
2009 - June 2009
Written by Patrícia Benvenuti   
Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:45

Family farm in Brazil An ambush on April 16, 2009, carried out by agents of a private security company left seven rural workers wounded on the Espírito Santo Ranch in the municipality of Xinguara, Pará, in the North of Brazil. Armed with high-powered weapons, the private security force shot at members of the MST (Movement of the Landless Rural Workers) who since February have been encamped in the area.

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written by João da Silva, June 29, 2009
The writer of this article Ms.Patricia Benvenuti seems to be another leftist whiner. In this country, it has become so fashionable to defend the "Rights" of the so called "Coitadinhos" that nobody wants to give a crap about the honest and hardworking Middle Class Brasilians. For example, the writer in her eloquent English stated the following:

the private security force shot at members of the MST (Movement of the Landless Rural Workers) who since February have been encamped in the area.


Could the lady explain how she would react if a bunch of thugs encamp on her private land she bought a few years ago with her own hard earned money with all the documents in order? The land doesnt have to be huge, but just a piece of property measuring 1500 M2.

BTW, does she really believe that MST members are a bunch of "Coitadinhos" ?

I await her reply with great anticipation.
My sentiments exactly
written by John Miller, June 29, 2009
Joao, pretty much hit this on the head I think.
Look, land reform, sure, this needs to be done, but by courts and law and political process, not thru MST simply taking over other peoples property. MST way is the way of anarchy.
i agree joao
written by asp, June 29, 2009
it is a complex situation that needs to be addressed.but, mst is confrontational and use threatening tactics

if the rural people are being unjustly treated, they should be in the majority and able to use elections to turn things in their favor
Patrícia Benvenuti
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 29, 2009
i HAD THIES SO CALLED mst CAMPED OUTSIDE MY LAND FOR MONTHS

all i got every day from the GOV was it is there right,
well have they ever taken over a piece of land that was not already set up with water , energy , food crops , buildings , NO they do not they want land someone has done the work on .

and if you look at there history when they do get land it is sold after a time to the church or some big person from the PP/MST party . and they all go back to there aparments in town .

for my battle with them my fences were cut crops taken , ponds pluloted from the river they filled with soap , and human waste .

SOME PEOPLE JUST NEED KILLING
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written by janaina, June 29, 2009
Get your facts checked! It was actually the MST who shot the security guards. The video in os you tube.
Terrorists
written by Breckenfeld, June 29, 2009
The Mst is a terrorist organization. The private property must be protected. The MST respects no law. They invade, destroy etc, and nothing happens. So it is ok to invade somebody else's property and to defend it is wrong. C'mon give us break.
YOU GET NO HELP FROM POLICE WHEN THEY SHOW UP
written by Forrest Allen Brown, June 30, 2009
MST and even when they leave the local cities are on the hook for there clean up of the mess they leave .

crooks is all they are not to help just a bunch of people wanting for nothing ,
like welfare in the US
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written by Estrangeiro, June 30, 2009
Hard to pick sides here. MST's tactics are no doubt questionable, but the grilleiros and fazendeiros in that region invade lands too. If you think these farmers are simply hard working country folk who have acquired lands honorably, think again. There's a lot of blood spilled in that state.

Actually, the MST and these farmers are more similar than they are operationally divergent. Both act as if laws in Brazil mean nothing, both have accepted the use of violence to settle disputes, and both groups are not to be trusted. The difference is, one group argues their fight is for the good of the disenfranchised in Brazil (noble), the other for the good of country's economy (also noble, if true).

Para is one big fricken bloody mess no matter who is involved, and you have no idea whom should you can trust or whose moral compass is best calibrated to lead. The region is a haven of Brazil's worst criminal types, and the state operates as if Brasilia doesn't exist. Para needs Federal attention, and intervention, and it needs it now. Things are only escalating. But what do you expect from a State whose finest and most noteworthy citizen is Jader Babalho?
it is a complex situation that needs to be addressed.but, mst is confrontational and use threatening tactics
written by ch.c., July 01, 2009
Somewhat right !
but what should the MST do ?
Wait the Robbing Hook promises that he will settle 400'000 MST during his first mandate ??????
His first mandate ended at the end of 2006 and even by 2009 he has not filled his first promises.

Is this not a proof that....NO ONE SHOULD EVER TRUST TO A BRAZILIAN PROMISE ?
Is this not a proof that...BRAZILIANS promises are not worth ONE centavo ?
Is this not a proof that...brazilians always cheat, lie and hide ?

And to Joao :
When will brazilians care for the under priviledged...BRAZILIANS ???????
Be it for the MST or those living in favellas...in a not so poor country as per your GDP per capita.
Somewhat TOTALLY unfair. So much proven that Brazil has one of the highest social and wealth INEQUALITY...ON EARTH !

In many poorer nations than Brazil, their poverty rate is BELOW the Brazilian rate.

Is this what Joao and so many brazilians defend...when writing their arguments ????

Stand up !

Should Brazil wealth not be more beneficial to ALL brazilians or just to a few....as usual and as is the case now ????

And what should the MST do, if the Brazilian Court of INjustice doesnt promulgate for BETTER JUSTICE ? Wait another generation, 3 OR 5 OR 10 ??????
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 01, 2009
Is this what Joao and so many brazilians defend...when writing their arguments ????


No, ch.c. I am defending the little property I bought with my hard work.It is easy for you to give sermons defending the MST, without acknowledging the the ground reality is much different. You forget that it is easy to manipulate the ignorant masses by half arsed "intellectuals" and that is what is happening with MST.

If you are so concerned with the members of MST, You have two choices. a)You can hire as many as you want in your farm in Brasil b) You can take as many as you want to Switzerland and I am sure our distinguished fellow blogger Forrest will transport them for a competitive price to any port of your choice.

I am sure that you will do a cost/benefit analysis and take a decision as what to do to help the "coitadinhos". smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
Not many options for societies where the majority is composed by an abused under class
written by Epsilon Eridani, July 01, 2009
It is extremely unsettling to witness the quagmire of this world's societies:

-Dwindling resources required to support the existing inhabitants;
-Increasing rates of population growth, particularly in its least propitious sectors;
-Declining influence of bankrupted, previously dominant imperialistic regions
-Deteriorating conditions in ever growing sectors with dissipating sources of stability;
-Diminishing levels of productivity, returns, wealth, and assistance:
-Appalling greater number of abused and unsettled under classes;
-Rising number of areas where oppressive tyrannical polities elicit fear and despair;
-Worsening socio-economic conditions which turn the natives into ideal prey for malicious, intolerant & bellicose philosophies/ideologies;
-Distressing & unprecedented exhaustion of natural eco-systems;
-Accelerating the extinction rate of species worldwide;

Given these painful circumstances, I see no need to proceed…
The end result is quite obvious and inevitable
It is not matter of IF but rather WHEN...
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written by João da Silva, July 01, 2009
Given these painful circumstances, I see no need to proceed…


Considering that your comments are very interesting,logical and thought provoking, I see plenty of need for you to proceed. Please go ahead.
hay Joao
written by Forrest Allen Brown, July 01, 2009
am at San Alfonoo del mar in chiligrate place food WOW

pool is big enough to put my boat in and looking at buying one of the condos here ,

beats the begibes out of any place i found in brasil
we get in will let you know when to come for a retreat
Forrest
written by João da Silva, July 01, 2009
beats the begibes out of any place i found in brasil
we get in will let you know when to come for a retreat


Great Forrest and thanks a lot for the invitation. Would love to meet ya in person. You seem to be moving a lot from one place to another. I thought you were in France and it is a pleasant surprise to know you are closer to where we live.

BTW, were you in Honduras too? smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
Residual time
written by Epsilon Eridani, July 01, 2009
Transient individuals on Earth are perhaps the most fortunate of its inhabitants, as they are in a position of benefiting from all the remaining wonders thereof. This ability appears to be particularly relevant at this moment, at the dawn of a closing epoch, when the entire planet is on the verge of incalculable, inevitable developments.

According to various data emanating from distinct sources (bearing opposing methods and philosophies), a series of upcoming astronomical events are likely to coincide with natural planetary “shifts” (recurrently undergone by this world across billions of years) which is bound to elicit relatively dramatic (possibly inevitable) outcomes.
NO JOAO
written by Forrest Allen Brown, July 01, 2009
BUT HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE I KNOW FROM THERE

as i was there during hurricane MITCH and we all had to survive
and help one another .so i keep up with them as i do most people i know just in case

boat still there but met the man that did the dsign and engerning work on the pool and is building one in Dubi so on an invite we came over and O M G this place is just unbeleiveable look it up on website
for all you gringoes it is worth the travel here .

some of the best sea food i have ever had here the chilian sea bass grilled with there spice with rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

france is not just cant seam to wonder why there is no huge brasilian laywers trying to sue the pants off of the airline here as the brasilians are doing in the US over its crash ????? NO MONEY IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY ????

HAVE A DRY DAY JOAO GOING TO THE MAN MADE LAKE and chase a mermaid
Joao " I am defending the little property I bought with my hard work"
written by ch.c., July 02, 2009
Then Joao you should know better than me than the MST dont invade LITTLE PROPERTIES !

Thus it is YOU Joao, not me, who are "without acknowledging the ground reality is much different"

Somewhat curious coming from you, but as I said so many times and time again......NEVER EVER TRUST A BRAZILIAN...remains just as true as the first time I said it.

And you have not answered to my arguments (how could you ?) stating that
Brazil has one of the World Highest Wealth & Social INEQUALITY !
Why have you still a much higher poverty rate than countries with a lower GDP per capita ?
Well... if you dont share with other citizens you get where you stand on the rankings. Very poorly ranked..at best !

In view of your comments, you Da Silva(smilies/wink.gif just perpetuate...the tradition.
Because even the large latifundios have Your Same Arguments !
And they, on purpose, forgot that most land titles were acquired....THROUGH CORRUPTION..DECADES AGO !

Simple example :
One of your state, Para I believe, has land titles covering more land size than the whole state !
Even more strange is this state also has land owned by the state itself !
Could you....if you can...explain this brazilian filthy maths...by definition ?
Doesnt this prove my other regular statement that Brazilians always cheat, lie and hide ?????

Waiting your wise comments and defense if possible !

smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif smilies/shocked.gif
And to Epsilon comments :
written by ch.c., July 02, 2009
No doubt your brains are subject to Epilepsy crisis...quite similar to Robbing Hook with his statements !

smilies/cheesy.gif
Reflection on Arrogance
written by Epsilon Eridani, July 02, 2009
Recognition that one’s conceit represents and implies an extended metaphor for tangible triviality, seldom seen or acknowledged, like a jewel in the mist or viper in the bush.

Your arrogance
Pierces the sky
Through Its chest
Across the heart
Cuts open its back
Pour, the blood rain
Your show is done
Now you watch,
The world drowned in
The crimson rain
Float, the people,
Like dead ants wafting
A drop of cherry wine,
Your part is done.


By Milena, 2007
Epsilon.....
written by ch.c., July 02, 2009
did you just got a new crisis ??????
ch.c
written by João da Silva, July 02, 2009
Then Joao you should know better than me than the MST dont invade LITTLE PROPERTIES !


Again you have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are unaware of the "Ground Reality". There is no doubt in my mind (thanks for acknowledging that I make "wise comments") that you would be singing a different tune when these nice folks from MST invade your large farm up in the North East (For security reasons and due to our great friendship, I am refuse to give the geographical coordinates of this huge piece of property!). However, if such invasion does occur in the near future, you will be rushing to seek the help of all your important contacts, friends and allies (laranjas) to thwart their attempts deploying all energetic measures. I recall that last year you were all upset when MST invaded Syngenta (Short memory?). One standard for Swiss properties and another for Brasilian (or non Swiss) owned?

As for invading a small property, it need not be an invasion or occupation.Sufficient to "encroach" slowly and steadily with the help of their "friendly" lawyers who got found their degrees in detergent packs.

And you have not answered to my arguments (how could you ?) stating that
Brazil has one of the World Highest Wealth & Social INEQUALITY !
Why have you still a much higher poverty rate than countries with a lower GDP per capita ?
Well... if you dont share with other citizens you get where you stand on the rankings. Very poorly ranked..at best !


Why should I answer these questions since I am not an "elected" or "selected" official for the country. If you were so anxious to get some answers, you should have flown to Tripoli to meet all the bigwigs who were participating in some kind of African summit for the past two days. smilies/wink.gif smilies/grin.gif

And to Epsilon comments :
written by ch.c., July 02, 2009
No doubt your brains are subject to Epilepsy crisis...quite similar to Robbing Hook with his statements !


Please stop harassing Mr.Eridani. He is an ET, blogging from 10.5 Light years. I enjoy reading his comments though I was unaware that they speak English in their planet. smilies/wink.gif

Regardless of our differences, you have a nice Friday at the pool at 10 A.M and drink a glass or two in my honor. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cool.gif
sansão do campo
written by sansão do campo, July 03, 2009
sansão do campo

there are too many people, mechanistic predetermanism has interfered with natural culling, man is a meddler it is not to seek balance but control, the problem however is that man is the self generating problem, 3 billion Chinese will need a place like Brazil, relatively speaking nobody lives here, it is here for the taking, the Chinese actually have a fearsome arsenal and millions of seriously trained soldirs sansão do campo will not stop a tank, but it is quite good for crowd control of the rural. Death by inevitabilty, man's little mind now thinks he can control the weather, like little mice in little cages running round electric wheels creating electric delusions of lives. The lemmings are coming, beware the thundering herd, in 'Infinite Jest' get out of town or die tryng, save yourself if you can and if you can't it is just nature's way of telling you that you were a dead end, though of course we are all dead ends, it is just a matter of time.
CORRECT ANSWER
written by Epsilon Eridani, July 06, 2009
Correct answer. Epsilon Eridani is my “home star system” – My sun is a main-sequence star of spectral class K2 and is located 10.5 light years away from SOL (your home star). Consequently my world’s location is “practically” within SOL’s “cosmic neighborhood”, I must add. In fact, it is the closest star in what you call the constellation Eridanus, as well as the third closest star visible to the naked eye from Earth. According to Earth “scientists” (and their immense “knowledge”), its age is estimated at less than a billion years (as opposed to SOL’s 4.7 billion). Therefore, basing further conclusions on the bases of its presumed relative youth, Epsilon Eridani would have a higher level of magnetic activity than the SOL, with a stellar wind 30 times as strong (which, if it were to be true, would destroy litterally – and completely – any unfortunate living world which happened to be in orbit… (which, one could – on Earth – conceivably argue – might not necessarily have always been the case, but rather an event which emerged during the past 100 Earth years… (Why else would one be current living on this unpleasant word otherwise?)

EPSILON ERIDANI is both smaller and less massive than SOL as well as lower metallicity (enrichment in elements heavier than helium). Most importanly is a target for planet finding programs because it has the properties to allow an Earthlike planet to form. Although this system was not chosen as a primary candidate for the now-cancelled Terrestrial Planet Finder, it is a target star for NASA's proposed Space Interferometry Mission that will search for Earth-sized planets

Lastly, among the known stars within 22 light years, it was listed with the 14 stars that were thought most likely to have a habitable planet. The maximum habitable zone for EPSILON ERIDANI currently stretches from about 0.5–1.0 astronomical units (AU) – 1 AU =- an astronomical unit = the average distance between Earth and SOL.

FOOTNOTE - As the star ages over a period of 20 billion years, this zone will slowly expand outward to about 0.6–1.4 AU.[47] However, the presence of a large planet with a highly elliptical orbit in proximity to the habitable zone of the star reduces the likelihood of a terrestrial planet having a stable orbit within the habitable zone. YET, one does not appear to have conjectured that, BECAUSE of an even greater/strong magnetic field that its Terrestrial counterpart, any such Gas Giant – already detected by earth scientific community) may happen to have in its furthest orbit, a distant greenish / blue satellite,containing vast oceans and biosphere not completely dissimilar to what is currently (STILL) found on the face of this unfortunate planet of yours)

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