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One crrection: When Brazil declared independence from Portugal, the first Emperor was of the Portuguese Royal House of Bragança. His son Dom Pedro II was therefore also of the House of Bragança.

The Brazilian Dynasty only became known as Orléans-Braganca, after the Regent and Princess Imperial Isabel (1846-1921) married Prince Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston d'Orléans, Comte d'Eu (1842-1922), a grandson of Louis-Philippe, King of the French.

Thankful to his Lordship "the Royalist", I must clarify with further details the process by which the Lineage of Orléans e Bragança emerged to become the Imperial Brazilian family:

Pedro de Alcântara João Carlos Leopoldo Salvador Bibiano Francisco Xavier de Paula Leocádio Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga – who emerged to become one the greatest Brazilians as Emperor Pedro II, was born on December 2, 1825. Similar to his father – Pedro I – was indeed a member of the House of Bragança (as well as an illegitimate branch of the Capetian dynasty (the largest and oldest European royal house, consisting of the descendants of Hugh Capet of France in the male line). His Imperial Majesty was, therefore, grandson of the King of Portugal - João VI - and nephew of subsequent Portuguese Monarch - Miguel I. His mother was the Archduchess Maria Leopoldina (Erzherzogin Maria Leopoldine von Österreich)- the first Empress consort of Brazil, daughter of Francis II, last Holy Roman Emperor. Through his mother he was a nephew of Napoleon Bonaparte and first cousin of Emperors Napoleon II of France, as well Franz Joseph I of Austria and Maximilian I of Mexico.

Because his father, following the first Empress’ death in 1826, married the Duchess of Leuchtenberg (Amélie Auguste Eugénie de Leuchtenberg), the Orleans branch had not yet been introduced to the Brazilian Imperial Dynasty as early as I had incorrectly anticipated.


Pedro II was married on September 17, 1842, to his cousin Princess Teresa of the Two Sicilies (1822–1889), the youngest daughter of King Francis I of the Two Sicilies (1777–1830) and Maria Isabella of Spain, which generated four children:
•Afonso de Bourbon e Bragança (1845–1847), Prince Imperial of Brazil.
•Isabel de Bourbon e Bragança (1846–1921), who married Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston, comte d'Eu, son of Louis of Orleans, Duke of Nemours.
•Leopoldina de Bourbon e Bragança (1847–1871), who married Prince Ludwig August of Kohary of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha; and
•Pedro de Bourbon e Bragança (1848–1850), Prince Imperial of Brazil.

Although the monarch was abolished in 1889, Pedro II was succeeded by Isabel I, also called Isabel the Redemptress and de jure Empress Isabel I of Brazil (Portuguese: Isabel Cristina Leopoldina Augusta Micaela Gabriela Rafaela Gonzaga de Bragança), as she was the heir to the Brazilian throne, bearing the title of Princess Imperial during the last decades of Empire.
Following the proclamation of the republic, her chance at a permanent succession upon the end of her brother’s reign was terminated. The royal family was sent into exile, however, after the end of the monarchy, she became the Head of the Brazilian Imperial House and de jure Empress of Brazil.
Consequently, the first member of the Imperial family to bear this name was indeed His Imperial and Royal Highness, Prince Pedro Henrique de Orléans e Bragança (Dom Pedro Henrique Alfonso Filipe Maria Gastão Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga de Orléans e Bragança) - was the great-grandson of the last emperor of Brazil, Pedro II of Brazil and grandson of Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil, and he succeeded her as the titular emperor of Brazil in 1921.

An excellent and timely article by our distinguished and scholarly fellow blogger Mr.Severus. My hearty kudos to him for reminding us the forgotten part of our history.In these days when there are constant attempts to "rewrite" textbooks with distorted version of the history, this article is very refreshing to read indeed. I am sure that our Brasilian as well as ex-pat fellow bloggers would enjoy reading Mr.Severus´s article.

An excellent and timely article by our distinguished and scholarly fellow blogger Mr.Severus. My hearty kudos to him for reminding us the forgotten part of our history.In these days when there are constant attempts to "rewrite" textbooks with distorted version of the history, this article is very refreshing to read indeed. I am sure that our Brasilian as well as ex-pat fellow bloggers would enjoy reading Mr.Severus´s article.

As customary, I must wholeheartedly thank Milord, Joao DaSilva for his kind words, comradeship and inexhaustible support across the past several months.

....i may not whole heartedly agree with your solution today, and, actualy think it is probably pretty near imposible to happen, although , the events in hondorus might give you some hope...

its just where things are at now. the next thing to tip the balance of south american in the wrong direction would be any military coups or some military intervention from the left or right as an invasion of any country in south america.

for example, chavez would severly tip his hat in the wrong direction if he ever actualy did invade another country in the name of his bolivian revolution...but, it could happen...and, these kind of dynamics make south america a very exiting place to be now.there is tremendous political energetic push and pull going on, tremendous underlying ideological forces pushing back and forth...you never know what is lurking around the corner..

picture this unlikly scenario, brazil could elect a conservative president , oposite the polocies of the president till death do us part of venezuala. while now, brazil is not going to clash with venezuela, under that scenario it could...

As customary, I must wholeheartedly thank Milord, Joao DaSilva for his kind words, comradeship and inexhaustible support across the past several months.

Thanks, Mr.Severus. But the credit for this excellent article goes entirely to your good self. Good analytic articles are very rare in most of the magazines these days and yours is really one of them and does appeal to "Middle of the Road" folks like us.

I enjoyed reading the "correction" by the "Royalty" and the thought provoking comments made by another distinguished fellow blogger ASP. ASP has some good points (well balanced) to make as usual.

It would be very interesting to look forward for further comments from our fellow Brasilians as well as Scholars on Brasil regardless of their nationalities.

picture this unlikly scenario, brazil could elect a conservative president ,

It need not be a "conservative" candidate, but should certainly not be a bulls**tter who pays mere lip service to the under-served segment of the population and says "the poor is happy with an extra 10 Reais and the rich are the hard ones to please"!! Since you are an ardent reader of newspapers, you must know whom I am talking about.

Despite its elitist inkling, and excessive empathy towards the nation’s Imperial past, readily disclosing the author’s reactionary proclivities, one would neither cast doubts upon the relative accuracy of its historical analysis, nor object to the implied, actually nearly explicit solutions suggested by the author.

After further reflection, despite one’s personal objection to Imperial inclinations, the Tropilcallia’s unquestionable needs for drastic solutions, given its current, partial state of political disarray, the prospect of any direct intervention, even if in the shape of an “neo-aristocratic militaristic” movement, might emerge to represent the proverbial “breath of fresh air”!

readily disclosing the author’s reactionary proclivities,

Mr.Eridani, please prove that the author at any time has demonstrated his "Reactionary proclivities". That is a very strong term to use sir.Why should people label the others as two extremes?

Experiencing the process of exchanging views and opinions with Signore da Silva could be equated to the feeling of being an Oracle in Classic Greece, sought out to explain or otherwise clarify eager wise men from across Greece who seek boundless amount of knowledge… What is the current subject of il signore?

“REACTIONARY”= Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely
An opponent of progress or liberalism; an extreme conservative

While I would not characterize Lord Augustus as “an opponent to progress”, his reliance upon the past and persistence to rely on his apparent aristocratic tendencies, indubitably renders the gentleman “an extreme conservative”
Yet your querying mind seems to preclude perception of the underlying acceptance one had already granted to the author’s goals and intended methods.

for over 40 years in the US the politicans have been eating away at our rights .

not only as people but as a country .

they have sold us down the river of no return , giving the peoples land,jobs, taxes , to feed there lust for money and power .

no one owns land any more you pay taxes on it but givin the government wants they just claim domain over it sell it off to some land devloper and make a higher tax base .

they promote there states by givin them sepical pork barrel projects while ingnoring the crulmbling inturstrutra of the country , but when they do decide to rebuild it the contract goes to some forgin company they own stock in .

this can go on for many a pages people , we are the sheep they have the sheers and have cut off the nuts for our countries . to be sold out for themselves to enjoy .

I the US the goverment keeps the races fighting by any means they can the press feeds it so the politicans and big busines can gain more control over us by saying it is for our own safety !!!!!!!!!.

there safety they mean.
"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you
live depends on how well you do it."

we as a soicity should demand the right to open vote for the main things that effect our lives or demand our politicans to live by the laws they decribe us too.

or just through them out of office or make them come up missing

honduras has it right if they are trying to undermind the country charter you dump them .

the amazing thing it obama is backing castro and chaves in demanding .
hounduras commie president back in power they need el grodo back but he is long dead.
the US needs teddy back

as for myself i going out to buy a bigger faster gun .
no man is a island as long as he has a boat under him

A NEED FOR ALL FREE MEN TO RISE UP

Very interesting and thought provoking comments you made, Forrest and positively contributed to enrich Augustus´s article and even made a subtle modification to its original title. However, your new title would have been more complete if it was as follows:

A NEED FOR ALL FREE MEN TO RISE AND SPEAK UP .

Another comment of yours that interested me:

honduras has it right if they are trying to undermind the country charter you dump them .

There is a hue and cry among the members of OAS over the ousting of Zalaya through constitutional means. May be the action by their armed forces was high handed, but certainly it was not a coup. It is possible that Augustus´s article was written and submitted for publication before it happened and therefore he did not make a reference to it. But I am glad that you brought up that issue here in the forum. I wondered why Obama and Clinton classified it as a coup. Your comments clarified the reasons!!!

the democract party is going going gone to a demagog so fast most
people in the US have no idea of what they have lost allready .

obama knows he cant get the guns out of the peoples hands so he is going after the amao .

while jumping up and down about health care ( whitch is a no go )
people dont see that the bail out money is still setting in the hands of his people .

where they will spend it on there on sepical form of bail out , he is pushing for full amasity for all alains to keep the votes in his favor as the blacks are turning on him and the independts also ..

he is on the slide of killing the 22 amendent whitch will let him stay in office like chaves and castro and like Zalaya was trying to do in houndraus.till his own congress did the right thing .

i know i will get some greff over this one hay at least they did not disapier him !!!!!!!!!

your right joao i should have written it that way but one does not need to be a good man or woman just one that knows what is right for the country and its people

In spite of my exceedingly conservative and class conscious stance, I must convey, in quite explicite fashion, my wholehearted support for the indispensibility, of nearly free, universal health care for all citizens.

In my oppionion, a comprehensive system designed to provide the overall population with medical & dental care at very low cost represents an intrinsic unadultarated entitlement which every civilized, advanced nation must established!

your right joao i should have written it that way but one does not need to be a good man or woman just one that knows what is right for the country and its people

That is the problem with people like us Forrest. We are too Cartesian!!

ALL HUMANITY is by nature is corrupt, selfish and self-delusional...

Unfortunately, mankind is incapable of admiting its degrading, sordid nature, which remains deeply concealed while in co-existing within a societal context, merely due to rules and regulations stipulated by the particular civilization in which they subsist. Nevertheless, Humanity's bestial proclivities are such that even the very laws & decrees it manages to put in place - in order to provide a semblance of cilized behavior conducive to progress, are not sufficient to keep the animal, instinct-driven self-interest genie locked within the bottle... That's precisely when corruption plays so significant role within most societies, particularly those containing more limited resources, less efficient economies, and neo-Feudal characteristics. Consequently, everyone must recognize a common shared trait which impacts everyone; for Human Beings are, by definition, intrinsicly and potentially liars and thieves, nefarious traits driven by the survival instincts; and what varies among the various nations is simply the levels of tolerability one's society may reach, following decades if not centuries of formalized acceptance thereof.

AS a result, theft or corrupted deeds which happened far too long ago are bound to whither away, thereby enabling some citizens of so-called "advanced nations" who are comfortably placed upon their noble high (moral) horses to arbitrarily acknowledge and castigate the corrupted, violent, and criminal ways of other "inferior, evil societs", ignoring the very brutal and inhuman fashion by which their respective “civilized nations” historically emerged and managed to became so wealthy today... Yet, I daresay it simply represents yet another human dreadful defect: HYPOCRISY...

democrats commies ? obama erase the two term limit ?

that is pathetic thinking and you should know better

where on gods earth does thinking like that come from ? please dont tell me you are buying into rush limbauh

i never saw you speak up like that against george bush and he and his buddies have f**ked us up the ass like no one in our living history has

i like obama, i like what he is doing. i know he is a polition and will be trying to get votes for the next election. and making comprimises along the way . he is not santa claus and is going to magicly give everyone the dream they are hoping for.

but i thought you were more on top of the s**t than just descending into the democrats are commies bulls**t

obama is a breath of fresh air. honduras is a hard situation to call but thank god he didnt just follow typical american policy bulls**t and outright support the coup. i dont like chavez eithere but i dont want these usa supported coups that just make everyone hate the usa worse.

i like obama and i like what he is doing. this financial crises was totaly handed to him by the biggest stupic chumps that have ever run our country. he already has made progress on it. nothing he can do may be able to rescue it, unless they legalise marijuana or something really bold like that.

get for real , forrest. you are a vereran, look how really f**ked up the bush administration f**ked over veterans from iraq. its disgusting and nauseous...but you are railing at obama...give me a f**king break

"They died for us."is something you will never see on a tomb stone of a ploitican.

the president from the 60 on have screwed the military ,when they found they could save money by just letting them die .

cutting there retirment , medical responsablity to them .when thousands of vetrans go on a march nothing happens , but get one held by the taliban or a woman who sone was killed.
(NOW THAT IS A CNN MONMENT)

just pay attition to what is going on in hounduras sunday 19 july chaves is supose to bring Z back home . but there are buses parked on the runways to stop landings .

the US should stay out of there as Obama has spoken .
clition has spoken enough said , no military fro US there unless chaves or castro ,ortaga make the first move .

check you house of reps the bill has been brought forth in the house about 3 weeks ago at 11.30 pm by a dem nancy likes it but his medical bill is being pushed to fast .

WHAT HAS HE DONE ????????????????????? THE us IS at 10.2 % unemployed.
welfare has gone up by 7% workers have taken cuts in pay .
but yey he has hired 23 zars to help him with comformation as to even if they know what they are doing just hire them !!!
and at what pay ? how much is the white house buget and pay for them .
we know his wife people pay is over a million bucks a year .

get real you think that would be grate the US has enough proublums with beer and liquers
unless they legalise marijuana or something really bold like that.

No i am for the US just shutting its mouth ,pulling its troops back to the US , closeing its borders , tossing out all illeagles ,stoping forgin aid to every one , if the ultra rich want to feed a group or a country let them pay for it not tax dallors .
setting time limits on all government electid officals , cutting there pay to $85.000 a year , writing bills that only cover what if is for no pork or sepical honors.
if you go out and nock off a piece and she gets a baby out of the deal why should i pay for its living its your promlume not the governments .
any one that gets a check from the government shaould have to take a piss test several times a year , and if you fail the drug test you loose your government check till you test clean for 3 months .
if you are a woman and get picked up for prositution you loose your check and kids . if you are a male and have kids living with a woman on welfare and you get picked up for drug dealing you and her loose your checks and kids.

that is what i beleive should be done, and i guess that is what i live on the ocean because people are by nature sheep just looking for a easy way to live

they have granted themselves so many sepical guifts they cant stop .
they now feel they deserve evey thing they want .

they have removed them selves from politicans to simi gods where they impose there will upon the people just like a flee cicrius .
or a dancing chicken just heat up the plate and put the chicken on .

and when we look the other way they do something we do nothing as we are wathcing the chicken .

you may be old enough the house banking scandle ?? where they were cashing checks but never paying them back it blew up where they could not hide it , so they made a big deal with the surpream court nonmie
clarence thomas , over 2/3 the way through anitta hill came up and said he put a pubic hair on her coke can one day then they had a sepical group of senators look into it , and who were they well the most womannizing members they could find.

I was told a long time ago by a teacher that the people of the US could demand a sepical vote on any thing before congress by the people of the US not the congress as it afficts us not them .

and if you look 545 people are to vote on what the other 300 million of us live by but they dont have to live on SS, welfare,military pay & retirment ,medi-care,wic, and all the other so called freebies .

right know it should be trickle up poverty but not one member or government offical has take a cut in pay.

to me if they wanted to do something good for the country they all should get in a circle place a gun in there right hand and shoot the person to there right .

THEN WE COULD START ALL OVER

Ed Freeman

You're a 19 year old kid.
You're critically wounded, and dying in the jungle in the Ia Drang Valley ,

11-14-1965, LZ X-ray , Vietnam .. Your infantry unit is outnumbered 8 - 1, and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards away, that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters to stop coming in.

You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns, and you know you're not getting out. Your family is 1/2 way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.
As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.
Then, over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter, and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem real, because no Medi-Vac markings are on it... Ed Freeman is coming for you.
He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs were ordered not to come.
He's coming anyway.. And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board. Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to the Doctors and Nurses. And, he kept coming back.... 13 more times...... And took about 30 of you and your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.

Medal of Honor Recipient, Ed Freeman, died last Wednesday at the age of 80, in Boise , ID ........ May God rest his soul.......
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we sure were told a whole
bunch about MJ

Medal of Honor Winner
Ed Freeman!
Shame on the American Media


Any CNN and FOX spent days covering the death of Michael Jackson!!!!!!! WHO CARES!!!!!!! And Congress will had a moment of silence today for Michael. Do you think they will for Ed Freeman? What is wrong with America?

Answer....we the people have allowed our nation to slide into the hands of career politicians not qualified to run our nation. The chickens have not only come home to roost but our laying their damn eggs all over us. If you don't vote in the next election and speak your voice through your vote....don't complain about a thing. Just bend over and kiss it. You are responsible for this mess. Don't just complain. Vote, write, email and call those who represent you!

Commenting specificially on your views that the USA should withdraw from being engaged in World Affairs, although I clearly recognize the valid reasons underlying your views, one CANNOT forget the lessons of History!!! Despite all of its current "evils", inescapable & escalating decline, and subsequent increased poverty, because the United States STILL represents a moderating FORCE on this planet, Washington could not make the same mistake made in 1919, when, following a successful participation in the Great War (1914=191 American politicians elected NOT to partake in the League of Nations, and withdrew, back into its traditional isolationist, protectionist policies of the previous eras = This error, in the views of most Historians exacerbated future events, particularly the rapid deterioration of conditions in Europe & East Asis, thereby making it "easier" for the rise of Facism, thus triggering another World War

UNTIL such time as ANOTHER stabilizing Global Power poised to replace Washington's current weight, any withdrawal and/or isolationists policies in America might trigger another global (NUCLEAR) conflict!

I am not saying isolationist , just quit feeding the evil , as we are perceived around the world .

get the US out of the UN and the UN out of new york , as it has become the most corrupt bodies of military power
on the planet.

work on our problems ,first but watch , the US can reach out and touch any one it wants in less than 30 minutes
kill the treaty the government sign about not killing members of the congress and president they are the ones that start the wars.
and we do the fighting , then when it is no longer politically right they kill funding to pay for beans ,bullets & band aids.

cut the head off the snake , and if it grows back cut it off again .

put in god we trust , and so help us god back on our monuments, and public buildings .

start making the ACLU pay for court time , get the supreme court out of the mix make it a vote on
the wants of the many out weigh the wants of the few .

and what government will ever step up to stop the invaders , France , to many muslin's now , England never again .
Canada , never will .Brazil , in about 1.000 years and only if there is money in it .

as long as greed fuels the countries war will be fought over , land , oil, water , religion ,food


we do have 6 six 747 400 with a green light lazier that have killed several north Korean missiles but Obama has pulled them out of action from japan and Guam back the the US ????

and the missile defence system works well enough to make Russia mad that we are putting in countries around its lands..

and if Iran wants nukes just tell them if one goes off they go see there 79 virgins as we will neutron bomb there lands till no one else is there and give it to the palisitanis or piss them off and give it to the jews!!!!!!!!!

if you are a sinior citisen you should have entitlement
if you are a military vetran you should have entitlement

But just being lazy , stupid , illeagle , the right color.

does not grant entitlement to me it is something you have erned or paid into .

yes health care should be affoardable to all not givin .
stop the multi million dallor law suits where the laywers get 60% of the top .

why should a person smoke be able to sue over something they know can and will kill them later .
asp wants to legalelize pot just think about the law suits in 20 years over that .

people go to the emergence room for nothing !!!
one report in dallas texas showed a woman called a ambulance because she had a yeast infection , she new she would have to sit in the waiting room for a long time so she called an ambulance as she new she would get in first

asp:

obama is a breath of fresh air. honduras is a hard situation to call but thank god he didnt just follow typical american policy bulls**t and outright support the coup.

Sorry, ASP, Honduras was not a hard call. I was surprised and disappointed that he and Clinton both joined the chorus with other members of OAS and called it a coup, which it was NOT. IMHO, the least they could have done is to say that the U.S. would not interfere in the international affairs of Honduras. I am not sure if you have been following the news closely, but it was pathetic to see a comical drama staged by Chavez, Cristina, etc; in defending their fellow "Caudilho" Zelaya and I think that they were scared s**tless that this could happen to them if they insisted on changing the constitution. In this sense, I think that the U.S. lost a great opportunity to send a powerful message to the LatAm leftist caudilhos. IMHO, I think that Forrest is talking the same language as I am.

Lord Augustus:

In my first comment under this article, I said it was "timely" because of several reasons among which is Honduras. I taken aback when I read that Zelaya who is a rich land owner was being supported by the "Owner" of Patagonia, Cristina & Co who were soundly rejected by the Argentine voters!!! It is a food for thoughts and I am sure you will research further into it. Forrest hit the nail on the right spot about this "Honduran Incident"

FYI

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...5208,0.htm

he hasnt invaded a country on hype and bs , he wont sound like a stupid idiot when he speaks, he is not going to let financial institutions go totaly unregulated only making the rich richer and the poor poorer, and i firmly beleive you wont see a katrina where a huge amount of the population is left s**tless by the government...

forrest , the "obama is a comunist..." bulls**t is unexcusable from someone who is intellegent and really knows what comunism means.it totaly diminishes the meaning of the word "comunist" and the real pitfalls and failures of "marxism" and people like you should be ashamed of yourselves for saying things like that. how could you buy in to that sack of s**t ? you loose huge credibility with me in your arguments...

oh yeah, lets just keep jailing hundreds of thousands of pot users, putting a massive strain on the costs of incarceration. my god , i want a police force that goes after real criminals, dont you? the tax revenue would jump start the economy and provide health clinics to help people if they want to get off of pot use. the bush administration escalated their crack down on pot users in spite of overwelming evidence that pot has incredible medicle value . where it could cause emphazima it actualy helps fight cancer tumors...do the research!!!

joao, i hate the chavez, bolivian revolution bulls**t and all the negative crud it has flamed in south america, the farc suport the most blatent example. but, i am so tired of knee jerk american policy reactions that only flame the blatent sick anti americanism that has totaly engulfed south america.it is a breath of fresh air to have an american president not jump in and try to manipulate the situation. it is very good to see the administration lay back for a minute and take a breath and see what will happen. we need to let these countries sort it out for themselves unless chavez invades militarily .as it is, he is criticised for not acting and would be criticised for acting if he supported the actions that happended so he cant win no matter what.

these countries need to find out if these leaders who follow chavez will tank them or not. and if the opisition cant reach out to the poor with some kind of incentive to get votes, maybe these countries are going to have to endure these marxists until the opisition can include all the people

and , the usa needs to desperatly cultivate a new image in the area

i really am sick of a lot of bulls**t anti americanism for nothing .its time for the usa to not give anything for these idiots to complain about so they can see that they are really the ones who are in charge of their own destiny and always were

never said he was a commie.

and yes the US needs to stay out of other countries business and focous on its own internail mess.

But not the way it is being sold to the people of the US right now .

obama almost demanding congress pass his health care package with out reading it .
1106 pages look to page 16 , 278-310 and from 867 back is pure pork barrell spending by the demsacorats . that is a pile of horse poop.

we will see it his open hand to the taliban works with the US solider
will they cut off his head or send him home as we have dooon all thoes poor mistreated people in gitmo .

cry over that they are better treated in prison than fighting in caves

as far as buying votes with entitlements so the money from where ever will run out then the frebiees will be cut then all thoes dependent on them will turn .

you never have said what you think about all his zars ,and date nights that have cast you and every other US citisen money

"the new commies in charge of the US"....that is your headline, forrest,that is a large implication of the obama administration. of the democrats etc . and any and all of those things doesnt come any where near what comunism and marxism is.

the "zars"? well, all i can say is that, this free fall, the last administration left the country with, is unprecedented in american history. it is a hole that we are dug so deep in that no one really knows what is the best way to dig us out. it may be imposible , this may very well be the start of the decline of america...

and it may not be...where there are huge factors like printing up the kind of money to enact these rescues, that only will lead to the ultimiate colapse of the system, there are other indicators that good healthy things are going on again. sure the unemployment is bad and not getting better for now and the everyday person is going to feel the pinch for a while, institutions like goldman sachs showed great news, in spite of what krugman said in the nytimes , about that not meaning anything for the common man and their success doesnt mean the fundimentals are being addressed.

but it does show that something is working for a minute and there is just as much a chance that it could succeed as fail . if they address the dollar aggresivly after some kind of recovery , it could work. some incredible invention or innovative thing that everyone had to buy, a strong product, that could make a differance like the computor revolution pulled the usa up in the early 90's. dont you remember it was really bad before that? not as bad as this, but, imagination and innovation can make all the differance. and i beleive in the people in there now.....lets see what happens...

lets see what happens with x gitmo prisoners. they arnt all set free, and some were proven to not be a threat and innocent, no excuse for that. it was handled miserable by the last administration...

dont you get it? peice by peice the obama administration has to undue the absolut pathetic hell that the bush administration got us into.and it is one hell of a mess that you havent truly ackowledged. you are belly aching about obama before he even has had a chance to make his policies work, but, i dont remember you saying those things about bush.

so ill put up with 23 zars for now until i see it isnt working a few years down the line

yeah, for sure , ed freeman should be noted and respected. ive known some viet nam vets, guys who did some real fighting. a tunnel rat, that is as deep as it gets. he used to come to our high school as a decorated veteran to get us to enlist, and i later worked with him on some jobs. great person...also another guy who took shrapnel in the calf at kesson ( spelling?), another guy i worked with and he was a beautiful cat. also another incredible high school athlete i played basketball with who was just a phenominon, who came back after joining the marines with a metal plate in his head.....non of these extra ordinary individuals talked about brandishing a gun, wiping people away, hoping the usa would nuke to smithereens any country that did so and so ....your veiws on that are strictly your own and have nothing to do with how incredible individuals who served in viet nam think
...they are your own personal veiws...and i respect that you served also

In connection with your Guantanamo Bay "prisoners" comment:

lets see what happens with x gitmo prisoners. they arnt all set free, and some were proven to not be a threat and innocent, no excuse for that. it was handled miserable by the last administration.

One must not lose sight of the much greater issue at hand, namely: National Security vis-a-vis the inescapable existence of an IMPLACABLE enemy: ISLAMIC TERRORISTS who hate the Western World, and will not hesitate to take any step to harm (if not take steps towards the destruction) of the United States, the United Kingdom, Spain and most other Western Countries!
The fact that nearly UNAVOIDABLE mistakes were made while assessing the actual guilt of some Enemy Combatants, during times of extreme distress, should be viewed strictly as a "regretable incident", necessary for the overall (and overriding) necessity to take any (and every) measured deemed necessary to deter Terrorist Activity in the West.

ASP

again i never said he was a commie you said it !

I am saying that little or nothing has been done to stop the free fall the US is in .

and yes it all is not his making , but we as a people need to make sure we and not being sold the same bill of goods just in another wraper!!!

first of all i did serve , i did not like it as Jane fonda could walse in and out of the place calling us babbie killers , but it was our government Kenndy a dmeocrat that got us into that mess , along with the bay of pigs ,

the people of the US must DEMAND our government be a better one for us and the rest of the world . the US business controls the government and they pull the guns out to protect there money , not our jobs, lives , or country , there money . so who has been bought???

My self i do not suffer from the world down turn or any man made disiter , only the brasilian navy and government has been able to hurt me , but i have taken my reveng on the people whom did me rong .

like i said the US needs to take care of its own it would take about 2 years of work but it would be done if the people wanted it .

and not clitons It takes a villiage to rasie a child . no it takes real parents !!! if you have a bunch of jerry springer politicans like we have now . i dont want them near my child .

the breath of fresh air you are talking about could turn into a green cloud of gass from all the miss spent money and laws we dont need .

as far as some supper fix drugs is not the way i think the bolsteda act proved to much nothing cause more of something

Forest
For some reason I missed your touching entry about the VALIANT American hero - Ed Friedman - and wholeheartedly agree with your views regarding the shallow values shared by the American media

Any CNN and FOX spent days covering the death of Michael Jackson!!!!!!! WHO CARES!!!!!!! And Congress will had a moment of silence today for Michael. Do you think they will for Ed Freeman? What is wrong with America?

As far as I know, there has been NOT a single word - uttered by CNN - regarding the recent death of Mr. Friedman.

Although I can understand the fact that his hero was not (unfortunately) widely known, it is difficult to reconcile the enormous amount of time spent covering IRRELEVANT issues regarding the death of a questionable (ridiculous) entertainer, whereas ignoring the immense value of GREAT individuals who provided unparalleled contributions to the nation while- sacrificing his own life during the process.

On the other hand, I’m afraid this is not a strictly American issue, but represents rather a terrible (historical) flaw within our Western Societies, whose shallow, materialistic proclivities praise and benefit the Rich/Famous/Fabulous while ignoring the courage, the valor and the significance of regular/average individuals without “fame”

It's truly devastating!!!

i did not like it as Jane fonda could walse in and out of the place calling us babbie killers ,

Yeah, I remember that woman and she made a big show out of the War. Not unlike the "artists" we had here and who "resisted" our military government, singing bulls**t songs. One of them, in fact, became a minister!! The others who couldn't sing well became "Con-artists" and ran away to France, Algeria, U.S., Uruguay, etc; to come back to become "Ministers". Some made their political career "resisting" the Military government after it became clear that the Generals were leaving.

Your latest comments under this thread reflects my way of thinking. Whether be in U.S. or here, it is all the same . We the hard working honorable people get to pay for the sins of the ill- informed masses that elected or selected the "leaders". To be honest with you, most of the countries are run by ad agencies!!

To ASP: Your comments and debate with Forrest are very healthy and civilized and I must compliment you for the fact.

To: Lord Augustus

Although I can understand the fact that his hero was not (unfortunately) widely known, it is difficult to reconcile the enormous amount of time spent covering IRRELEVANT issues regarding the death of a questionable (ridiculous) entertainer, whereas ignoring the immense value of GREAT individuals who provided unparalleled contributions to the nation while- sacrificing his own life during the process.

The American media were always like that even before you emigrated to that country. If I recall correctly, Ted Turner tried to change it in 1983 by founding CNN. Then he got cozy with Jane Fonda and lost Focus (Forrest must know the story).

To: Episilon Eridani:

The fact that nearly UNAVOIDABLE mistakes were made while assessing the actual guilt of some Enemy Combatants, during times of extreme distress, should be viewed strictly as a "regretable incident", necessary for the overall (and overriding) necessity to take any (and every) measured deemed necessary to deter Terrorist Activity in the West.

Would you like to classify "friendly fire", "collateral damages", etc; as "regrettable incidents" ? Ask the Canucks, Brits, etc;, they might have something different to say!!

Signore da Silva
One is thoroughly puzzled by your unusually unwise analogy…

How could one possibly compare…

… the “regrettable mistake” of one’s ability to appropriately discern, during a period of confusion and duress, a truly guilty Islamic terrorist from another Muslim who, at best, would almost inescapably be classified as a “sympathizer with the terrorist cause”

VERSUS

… the “tragic error” of misjudging the source of incoming fire, during far more stressful battle conditions, thereby compelling a group of soldiers to incorrectly fire upon their own comrades???

Apples versus Pairs…
Civilization versus Barbarism,..
Understandable Mistake versus Tragic Dishonor!!!

One should read PEARS instead of PAIRS under the previous entry.

Firstly, it must be established that Mr. Zelaya, the deposed President, was elected with the support of a center-right coalition, which does not have the majority in the nation’s Legislative branch (composed of a single chamber).

Curiously, despite the political orientation of the parties which supported his election, (and perhaps due corrupt “financial incentives” from Caracas) Mr. Zelaya has recently become increasingly “friendly” with the neo-Marxist “Chavez Gang” (composed by the nearly criminal leaders of Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, and Nicaragua), which understandably alarmed Honduras intellectuals, the opposition parties, the Judiciary branch, as well as the Armed forces.

Then, Mr. Zelaya decided to emulate his new Venezuelan benefactor by suggesting a proposal to amend Honduras “Magna Carta” (their constitution) in order to permit presidential RE-election. However, because this proposed referendum was designed to modify a Magna Carta provision which does NOT allow subsequent amendments, the Judiciary ruled the proposal illegal, a move which was supported by the Armed Forces.

Almost immediately thereafter, the legislative branch approved a motion PROHIBITING referendums to be held 180 days before or after general elections which automatically rendered Mr. Zelaya’s plans impossible.

Nevertheless, the President supporters somehow ignored any opposition to their proposal and somehow produced ballots for the referendum, which were then placed under the protection of the country’s Military, which CORRECTLY refused to comply with repeated presidential demands for the Military to release the ballots.

As a result, the Minister of Defense was fired thereby triggering the leaders of each branch of the Armed forces to renounce their positions, which culminated with the illegal seizure of these ballots by presidential supporters. Consequently, the Military placed hundreds of soldiers in streets of the nation’s main cities thereby further deteriorating the situation.

In essence, it appears that even the very political parties composing the coalition which elected Mr. Zelaya eventually turned against this extremely corrupt individual.

Consequently, given the nature of the “filth” taking place in Honduras under the PREVIOUS president, everyone should PRAISE that country’s HONORABLE military for having prevented this shameful character, another potential Chavez puppet, from proceeding with his illegal schemes .

Finally Understanding the Underlying Cause of the LEGITIMATE Honduras Issue

Finally you caught up with the current events in Honduras!! Here is a link that you may find interesting to read, provided you understand our language:

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...5847,0.php

No more Ethanol for the Hondurans.

I hope some of you caught that congress is trying to make the CMA to be awared postumaslity ,
they feel we have to many living military personal with them and it should be for thoes whom died in the act of earning it ?????????????

who are thise people Barba, nancy ,and the likes .

on another note did every one see california just fixed its bugget problume , they shut off welfare , and free medical to thoes whom realy need it .
WAY TO GO CALIFORINA

government health care on way down the tubes as obamas people are jumping ship on him .as the 6 mounth butget wont be released until september > so much for more transperence in government !!!!

now people are seeing the real houdurn battle ( I THANK you )

Mr. Friedman/Mr.Ed Friedman

Would you mind stop confusing Ed Freeman with Milton Friedman? The former was in Vietnam and the latter was testing his economic theories in Chile during Pinochet´s government.

Given the context of the entry (war hero), the blogger whom I was addressing (Forest), as well as the place where the subject matter become prominent (Vietnam), I could scarcely anticipate that any educated individual would have actually been puzzled, unless of course, such person were from Venezuela, Bolivia or Cuba...
Since, fortunately, this is NOT your case, it's clear that you are simply grousing this issue for the sheer sake of criticizing

it's clear that you are simply grousing this issue for the sheer sake of criticizing

Not so,Old Chap. I just wanted to correct you before some marauding (and pentelho) "Neutral Swiss" starts nitpicking on every word you wrote and gives us all a big lecture on the feats of Milton Friedman in "modernizing" the Chilean economy.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had once failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A. After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

Your depiction of the reason why Socialism does not work for Humanity in its current mindset / evolution stage, is ABSOLUTELY correct. That is precisely the reason why most socialist regimes collapsed (and the few remaining are no longer anything close to that concept - e.g CHINA which is a MARKET LENINIST society)

HOWEVER, to even attempt to allege that Obama embraces socialism, is likewise COMPLELLY naive.

Finally, repeating an earlier point, WHICH I CONSIDER CRUCIAL, defending nearly free available health / dental care to every CITIZEN of a nation (WHEREBY CITIZENSHIP PROOF would be required) is not only a necessity, not only a proof a social advance, but, most importantly A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT!!!

Cheers,

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had once failed an entire class.

Hey Forrest, were you that professor?

The following link may sound satirical, but it is true!!!!!!!

http://www.clubemilitar.com.br...ulista.pdf

It is a very concise "Instruction Manual", though.

if it is a BASIC human right than why is it not practic in BRASIL ?

CUBA ? France Canada/
all thoes countries have some form of long term killing off of the poor and old.

Why not do the same in the US
his plan will kill medicard and give some one the right to choose if your grand parents are worth the money to save them !!!!!!!!

Have you red it ???? if not do so it will kill the health system by putting 50 million people on health care with no new doctors ?

and the dems are pushing the 18 million illeagles get the same care as US citisens .

with no new doctors or nurses how will this be done .
a vote by congress as to when they should cut off medical care to the old , cancer , military with mupital wonds ,

As for me i want to choose whom and where i get treated for my illness

Brazil could not possibly afford it, even though I have heard they have a comprehensive FREE care for HIV patients, which made very proud of them for being so humane.
Yet, the type of free (or nearly free health /dental care is understandably too expensive, and only wealthy, developed countries can afford

Most European countries (and certainly the United Kingdom, France, Germany, BENELUX, Austria, Switzerland and specially the four Scandinavian nations provide their citizens with a variety of nearly free services, which I consider the epitome (a measure) of civilized societies.

Based on my earlier writings, I'm sure you know that I do not embrace socialism – far from it. Yet, as a Socially Responsible individual, I feel it necessary to adhere to certain "socialist" measures (issues related to healthcare & “basic” education), which should be implemented in order to provide a “decent” human existence for the citizens (and only citizens) of a given developed country.

Yes, the wealthy sectors of society, those which benefit the most from life, should have the moral/social obligation to finance the welfare of the underprivileged ones. Undoubtedly, there would be many who would abuse the system, as there will always be individuals who take advantage of any set up – it’s the human nature! Yet, we must regard them as exceptions as well as an unavoidable price to pay in order to assist the needy and to make it possible for those who are very vulnerable, at the bottom of the socio-economic strata, to lead a “decent existence”…

As for your last statement, while I do not know the full details and intricacies regarding the complex system, I would have expected for those who are in a position to pay for their own medical / dental care to be in a position to make such choices (and the extent of such flexibility should be measured according to how much one is willing to pay for it).

Brazil could not possibly afford it,

I disagree. It lacks "political will". Since you are an "Exile" (according to the title of this article ), you are not fully aware of what has been happening for the past 20 years regarding the "Health Care". a) Some years ago, a new tax called CPMF started being charged on all bank transactions. It was 0.25%. The revenue generated was with the sole purpose of creating a health care system based on NHS of U.K and MSI (Still it is called the same?). This money was supposed to be passed on to the states which in turn passed on to the Municipalities. Some cities like ours set up efficient system called SUS.It still functions well. However,some states and Municipalities were lagging either because of the inadequate funds or misuse of it. b) Then this government came out increasing the tax to 0.38% and changed the name to IPMF with the intention of keeping it for just 5 more years. Unfortunately the revenue from the tax was not used solely for the Health care, but to cover other deficits.

In 2007, there was a bill in the congress for extending it for 5 more years and while the Chamber of Dep**ados approved it, the senate killed it. The reason was because of "misuse of funds" and some senators took it very seriously and deprived the current government an extra income to spend on other things besides the purpose for which the tax was created.

To set the record straight a)I was fully in favor of 0.25% and the subsequent increase to 0.38% b)After I came to know about the channeling of the money to other purposes (including political),I was disillusioned and against extending it. One of the Senators from this state voted against and the other in favor of extension. The second one doesn't get my vote in Next years election!!

How is the SUS system here after CPMF is eliminated? It is still good, because of the dedicated (and well trained) professionals operating the system. Of course, they can not please all the "povão" some of which consists of "Hypochondriacs" and "Chronic Grumblers", but certainly do not ill treat them.

As for the comments of our distinguished fellow blogger Forrest about U.S. health care:

Hey Forrest, it is enough for your new Surgeon General to drive up North and study neighbors´s set up their health system.As for the doctors necessary to treat all the new entrants into Medicare, you guys can easily recruit them from Philippines, Pakistan, India, S.Korea, Taiwan,Kenya, etc;!! I ain´t kidding!!!

IF obama thinks it is so doog than why is he and congress giving up there health plan to join in on the plan

after all it is his idea and they will fote us in on it why not them .

and as a fact why do they get to vote us the scraps and they get rib eye ?????

we should demand them to be put on any and every thing they vote the grnneral population . health care ,social securty , retirment plans .

the works

Would you mind reformulating your thoughts outlined under the previous entry?

At any rate, I must unfortunately disclose that, occasionally, your comments on the president tend to be so negative, and the extraordinary, relentless opposition to Mr. Obama appears to pose to his policies may be so overwhelming that you appear to be compelled to blindly distort certain facts, or automatically believe in ANIMALS like Rush Limbaugh (a man who should be executed without trial – if one asks me) or to just presume the worst possible scenarios regarding anything related to our president.

Although I can comfortably classify my overall political inclination as a conservative for "most" fiscal issues and certainly in international affairs, because of my radical position on social issues, any alternative to a democratic president in this country is virtually unthinkable; given the Republican hypocritical, unrealistic, ridiculous so-called moral values (let alone their intolerable religious undertone) which, for me, go way beyond intolerable, fake, and primitive...

Returning to the issue at hand, I understand Mr. Obama will refuse to sign any bill which would increase the projected deficit by unrealistic amounts, and is willing to seat with members of Congress in the pursuit of reaching a compromise...

Finally, in my modest opinion, I feel that everyone should, from time to time, attempt to consider the appalling situation of those unfortunate “victims” – individuals and families without any insurance (for whatever reason), who are compelled to face ever escalating costs in Health care in America, particularly when faced with serious medical afflictions...

Do not listen to thoes TV and Raido whiners ,
as i have never hurd one of them say i will run for office and fix things , but they are in for the money living off shock TV AND raido

you are the one with the sharp pencil do the math how will it be paid for and by whom . you are like the people that beleive there was a bibical fuld that killed all humans except thoes on the boat .

even if you melted all the snow and ice on the planet water would only rise 186 ft from where it is now.

with no new doctors , nurses, money in the bank , how will it work .

as i said befor do you want to have a doctor work for you or you be treated by some one just getting a check ,
letting some one that does not know or care about your ordeal say he has no worth , he is old , we dont have the money , say go home we will call you soon .

take any country south of the US ask how many women have natural child birth in a hospital !!! maybe 5 out of a 100 . why the doctors do a line up from one room to another giving c sestions to every woman they can to keep the speed up and send them home i 48 hours or less .

every person in the US has free emergence health care now just call an ambulance , or walk in to a hospital THEY CAN NOT REFUSE YOU BY FEDRAL LAW.

as i said if it is so dam good than why doesent the electid officals of this country give up ther health care and take it instead.

hypocritical, unrealistic, ridiculous so-called moral values of the dems. also would you rather your son go hunting with dick chnney . or take a dirve with ted kenndy ????? all have very sorted past dont you think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

all i know is i dont have to live by there laws or there over spending on eather party , and if i get sick CUBA has very good doctors

just dont let the government do it to us again , it has gotton to the point where the people fo the US have to set on bar stools with backs on them to keep ther A HOLE from sliding over the top of the stool for taking it up the poop shute so many times in the past 40 years

Wow, high brow exiles whose proud presence in their former country resembled the worst parts of Africa in terms of poverty, arguing with a fellow American who happens to be a lunatic right wing nut fantasizing about an imaginary government who will take away his guns and socialize his health care. Earth calling Forrest: it ain't going to happen. João seems informed, but there's a small signal to noise ratio here. Anyways...

Augustus I think is too prejuduced by his own life experiences - which clearly is far unlike virtually all of the country he leaves behind. Forrest is just paranoid. Yawn.

Here's my view after living in Brazil for 8 years, the last 4 being in fortaleza: Things are better now than any point in Brazil's history, and no, its not because of the military era and certainly not because of FHC. FHC left 25% interest rates, enormous international debts that were widely believed to be heading to default like argentina at the time, and leaving a paltry R$200 (about USD $55 in 2002) monthly minimum wage, all which compares rather unfavorably to the enormous improvements by Lula in all of those areas. The military left more bad legacy like SENAI/ CNPq / BNDES, - not to mention a severe poverty legacy that I'm sure doesn't bother their stakeholders in least - that far outshines imho anything good they did.

I can see it now, mensalão, mensalão! The truth is that, though inexcusable, nevertheless was a very tame scandal no matter how much you wish to believe otherwise. It certainly didn't prevent lula from being the most popular, and I would say by far the most successful, president in the history of Brazil. Why? Because poverty has decreased significantly, and it was the bolsa familia which is largely responsible. That is important so that there is not a civil war, which I believe can happen, just like there arguably is now in Rio.

I just think this whole conversation seems like a bunch of guys on the golf course complaining about how inadequate their servants were in the pre-civil rights era of the USA.

João seems informed, but there's a small signal to noise ratio here.

Signal to Noise ratio? what sort of disease is that?

Here's my view after living in Brazil for 8 years, the last 4 being in fortaleza: Things are better now than any point in Brazil's history, and no, its not because of the military era and certainly not because of FHC. FHC left 25% interest rates, enormous international debts that were widely believed to be heading to default like argentina at the time, and leaving a paltry R$200 (about USD $55 in 2002) monthly minimum wage, all which compares rather unfavorably to the enormous improvements by Lula in all of those areas. The military left more bad legacy like SENAI/ CNPq / BNDES, - not to mention a severe poverty legacy that I'm sure doesn't bother their stakeholders in least - that far outshines imho anything good they did.

You are a very clever fellow, old chap. Within 8 years of living in Brazil, you are quite well informed of our history (especially the recent one). I am indeed impressed and please do accept my heartfelt congrats.

If the Military left a legacy like CNPQ, SENAI,BNDES, SEBRAE, etc; why didn't the subsequent civilian governments get rid of them? BTW, what is your grouse against CNPQ against this wonderful entity that is working tirelessly to promote Research and Development? I guess your application for grants was rejected! No worries mate. Try again.

Because poverty has decreased significantly, and it was the bolsa familia which is largely responsible.

Did you add these sentences as a footnote in your application to CNPQ? If you had done it, you would have got your request approved immediately.

That is important so that there is not a civil war, which I believe can happen, just like there arguably is now in Rio.

No civil war is going to happen in Rio, old chap. Instead they are going to have the World Cup and Olympics there and it is indeed going to be a war of one sort or other.

I just think this whole conversation seems like a bunch of guys on the golf course complaining about how inadequate their servants were in the pre-civil rights era of the USA.

I agree. The hired helps these days are not like those in my good old days.

There is no question whatsoever about the rectitude of some of your views and statements:

“you are the one with the sharp pencil do the math how will it be paid for and by whom . you are like the people that beleive there was a bibical fuld that killed all humans except thoes on the boat”

Indeed, the actual (and potential) costs involved in any effort to provide universal healthcare are bound to be “mind-boggling”; yet, given the escalating costs of hospitals, clinics, in/out-patient care, nurses and any related third party services ranging from the very ambulances to the legal fees related to malpractice suits, I fear that doing absolutely nothing, succumbing to helpless resignation to insurmountable status quo, is likely to be far more costly and nearly guarantee further deterioration of this country’s economy. As such, I feel one should at least make an honest concerted effort to at least “attempt” to find some way out of this quagmire…

As for your statement implying that I necessarily embrace the causes of the Democratic Party….

“hypocritical, unrealistic, ridiculous so-called moral values of the dems. also would you rather your son go hunting with dick chnney . or take a dirve with ted kenndy ????? all have very sorted past dont you think !”

… I can only bring to your attention my ABSOLUTE disapproval of a LIMITED two-parties system, such as it exists in the USA, for it ridiculously limits “true” choices for its citizens, hardly provides any meaningful fluctuation of philosophical views along the spectrum of political thought/theory, and inevitably compels individuals like me (who uncompromisingly and strongly opposes at least one intrinsic aspect of the one party) to necessarily embrace the OTHER party by default. In essence I strongly dislike the democrats; yet, I must support them for I thoroughly hate the republican party moralistic religious orientation.

While I cannot fully dismiss your assessment about my views, for I have always been a relatively Atypical Brazilian…

“Augustus I think is too prejuduced by his own life experiences - which clearly is far unlike virtually all of the country he leaves behind. Forrest is just paranoid. Yawn”

…I must unfortunately point out that your chosen alias “Poder do Gringo” seems to also imply a relative prejudice by your own life experience…

As for the colorful and (I daresay) imaginative closing statement…

“I just think this whole conversation seems like a bunch of guys on the golf course complaining about how inadequate their servants were in the pre-civil rights era of the USA.”

… if I were permitted to invoke an equivalent assertion, which I might be remotely classified as applicable to my true feelings, I would have rather belonged to “a group of gentlemen attending a garden Tea Party objecting to the inadequacy of servants vis-à-vis their far superior quality during the Late Victorian era in the British Empire.”

WAYS TO MAKE HIS PLAN CHEEPRE .
let wal-mart supply all the drugs the medicar and medcaid "
if you look at any drugs handled by the 2 government agencys there is about a 125 precent mark up on them .
if you are in the hospital , a nurse comes around every 12 hours and does a equipment invatory in your room if it is in your room and you are not using it you still pay medacair for it .

wow 8 years you have realy lived woooooo
so you got there as lula was getting electid , you dont know how it was before just getting what you have hurd on the street .
do you see the old looking church there the one with the flying butreses how many people went with out food or help because of the lust to make a old style church there ?????????.

the fishing village that was on the beach of the furture that is gone now because some one feels toursium is better able to feed the poor than fishing >

or do you hang out at the tourtist bars where all the girls from the poor places in fortlaza go to earn money to feed there young as there box of food is not givin but sold to them ????

by the way do you ever make it to the stake house PAR-QUEK in the old down town away from the beach !!!!!!

never had servents none of my family ever owned slaves but still getting the blame




Observations on the President's Early Days:

1. Offended the Queen of England .

2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .

3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.

4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.

5. Endorsed the Socialist Eva Morales of Bolivia .

6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.

7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.

8. Expanded the bailouts.

9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.

10. Doubled our national debt.

11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after
the North Koreans launched an ICBM.

12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.

13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they
couldn't take the heat.

14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and
opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man
made disasters".

15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America 's greatness.

16. Told the Mexican President that the violence in their country was because of us.

17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins.

18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced
removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States.

19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water up their nose.

20. Air Force One over New York City .

21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that
the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be
on their own with the Muslims.

22. Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.


23. Announced that for intents and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.

24. HAS NAMED MORE "CZARS" THAN EVER BEFORE; NONE ARE VETTED BY THE SENATE AND THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT AS THEY MAKE POLICY IN AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL FASHION.

1360 more days to go... God help us all!



"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

Milord,

Before your wonderful article vanishes from the Headlines, I would like to post the following link regarding Honduras:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...7958,0.htm

Are we seeing "Mid Winters Dream" (I hope Mr.Shakespeare would pardon me for borrowing and distorting the title of his original play)???


P.S: Please read carefully the comments of our compatriots

It's hard to pick the perfect escape when you're the leader of the free world. But word has it that the Obamas have found the hideaway they need: A 28-acre, $20-million property on Martha's Vineyard Island, off the coast of Massachusetts, called Blue Heron Farm. The 10,000-square-foot retreat has everything a president wanting some downtime needs, including a swimming pool, basketball court, and golf tee. And it is even dog-friendly.

The Obama family will pay its own way for a one-week getaway at the end of August, and it's not cheap: Rents reportedly run from $35-$50,000 a week for similar homes. (Not surprisingly, the town of Chilmark, where they're headed, was voted the most expensive small town in America a couple years back. And that was before the First Family said they'd be coming.)

While it may seem elitist in mid-recession to turn up at an exclusive resort, consider this: The Secret Service rejected some 20 other vacation spots before Blue Heron Farm got the seal of approval.

As the AP notes, the Obamas' visit is not as bad as you think—it actually adds to the rich history of the place: In the old days, black families vacationed on the island because they were unwelcome elsewhere. Now prominent African Americans who choose to spend their summers there include director Spike Lee, Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (yes, that Henry Louis Gates), and Obama's Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett.

The cost of taking a week's vacation when you are the president is undoubtedly high. But the value of family time, we're sure, is priceless.

The cost of taking a week's vacation when you are the president is undoubtedly high. But the value of family time, we're sure, is priceless.

But..But.. according to our labor laws, you can take vacation only 12 months after you are hired.May be you guys can do it after 6 months according to your labor laws.It is all confusing to me.

The LEGITIMATLLY DEPOSED Honduras FORMER president recently made a ridiculous Theatrical "entrance" into the Territory of his country, coming from Nicaragua (a Venezuelan puppet) accompanied by a relatively insignificant number of supporters and naturally under full coverage of the Venezuelan (state controlled) Network.

Unquestionably, this failed charade represented nothing but an idiotic attempt by Hugo Chavez and his populist puppets to achieve one of two possible outcomes:
Either the Venezuelan neo-Marxist “Caudillo” was unrealistically expecting hundreds of thousands of Honduras citizens to welcome back his “failed puppet” in order to restore the former regime by popular “acclaim”
Or the Bolivarian Dictator was expecting a massacre thereby earning a Martyr along with a political victory for his dangerous cause…

I’m delighted that Honduras, people have demonstrated the required maturity and its military the necessary restraint to deny the obnoxious regime in Caracas from attaining it nefarious goals…

Quite frankly, I’m only surprised that three of his notorious puppets (the Bolivian demented Indian, the Argentinean Bimbo and/Ecuadoran “pretty boy”) were not included the this absurd comedy which ONLY Hugo Chavez idiocy could have devised

Hopefully, the Venezuelan neo-Marxist “Caudillo” will take this DEFEAT gracefully and SHUT UP, thereby sparing the world of any additional idiotic garbage spilling from his loud jaw…

Gostaria muitissimo de agradecer a todos aqueles que me honraram com suas opinioes sobre minha modesta messagem para o Brasil, e proporcionarm continuo apoio a minha “causa”.
Sinceramente espero que os recentes eventos em Honduras possam servir de exemplo (tipo “yellow alert”) para elementos irresponsavies que atulamente ocupam o Palacio do Planalto
Muito Obrigado

I would like to wholeheartedly thank all individuals who have honored me by providing their valuable input vis-à-vis my modest message for Brazil; and those who provided continued support to “cause”
I sincerely hope that the recent events which recently transpired in Honduras will represent a valuable warning (yellow alert) for those who currently occupy the Palacio do Planalto (the main working office of the President of Brazil )

Milord,

Your last entry seems like a valedictory address or a surrender speech, which of course is not in your nature. While I must compliment you for remembering your native language (Not bad, old chap), I must admonish you for not buying an ABNT keyboard. A good one costs around R$25.00 and I am sure you can afford this paltry sum!!

Whilst I compliment you for your wonderful "Farewell" speech, I must rebuke you for trying to take C. da Reta so soon. Some of our distinguished and erudite fellow bloggers are protesting to me (why, I wouldn't know). In fact our friend Mr.Brown tried to post an entry and he could not manage. So, he sent me an e-mail, with the request to post it for your kind perusal,analysis and opinion. So here I am maintaining my version of the infamous "Swiss Neutrality", reproducing it in the next entry:

Part II:


This is really scary… Please read this in its entirety and send a letter to your representative. This will affect everyone of us except the President and Congress. They will be exempt from taking this Health Plan. It is not good enough for the President but we will be required to have this health plan.

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

Part III:

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House:

HR 3200




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I sincerely hope the editors keep your article for some more time so that other fellow bloggers can express their objective opinions.

The majority of the points outlined under the “allegedly proposed bill” conveyed above by Joao on behalf of a third party (who was not in a position to place a post) are exceedingly distressing…
Many of them are very difficult and require significant revision…
While some of them are entirely unacceptable.

Yet, I trust (and hope) that such bill represents merely a draft proposal at this moment, for I would expect the elimination of some as well as a considerable amendments to some provisions.

On the other hand, I would hope that most civilized human beings would understand, welcome, and tolerate the inescapable necessity to significantly adjust some current, relatively comfortable entitlements (available ONLY to some citizens) in order to secure the indispensible broadening of benefit coverage (to be available to everyone). In essence, I sincerely consider it that noble individuals willingly consider forfeiting some of their cozy “flexibilities” so that the overwhelming majority of the population may have access to what I consider “access to an intrinsic human right”… Paraphrasing what I admit to be a “valid cliché” - “the benefit of the Many outweighs the rights of the Few”…

glad it is posted. and yes that is the bill as it sets on nancy desk.

there are to many gray places and entitlements in it for non tax paying people.
and even thoes that deserve medical will fall as if you are to old you could not get help but be made comtroable till you die .

are you saying the many people of the USA dont have the right to denie health care to thoes who are here illeagle???
so we who have worked and made something should give up and pay for thoes that do not even try or dont try ???
but live on so called entitlements there hole lives .

how do you like the fact acorn has the contract to enrole people should it not be let out on a government contract ????

If this is the final bill, I must agree that it's not acceptable
There is no way the extreme restrictions should be acceptable
as for one comment of your comments...

are you saying the many people of the USA dont have the right to denie health care to thoes who are here illeagle???

...I can only ask you a question with a referral?
Did you read my previous statements above?
If you were to check some of my earlier entries you would have found the answer to you question, where I have more than once clearly stated that my hopes for Universal Health/dental care should be EXTRICTLY limited to AMERICAN CITIZENS only! In fact, I'm not yet sure if such coverage should even be extended to "legal permanent residents" (those under this category should perhaps be required ADDITIONAL contributions.

In fact, I'm not yet sure if such coverage should even be extended to "legal permanent residents" (those under this category should perhaps be required ADDITIONAL contributions.

I think it should be extended to "legal permanent residents", "temporary residents" and other similar categories, that work and pay taxes. Whether it be in U.S. or elsewhere. The Canadian model covers all such segments. Even in Brasil where the Health care is supposed to be "precarious", the law permits free access to non residents (at least in our state). Some foreign students I have run into were pleased to know about this fact and got themselves "Health Cards" by showing their temporary visas, their CPF (Social Security number) and proof of residence.

Please scroll up and see my comments regarding the Brasilian Health care system and the needed "Political Will" (ICMF & CPMF) to make it universal and inexpensive.I think that simultaneously, the government should ensure that the Prescription drug manufacturers do not indulge in "Price Gouging" (like Forrest mentioned elsewhere).

where do you get that craq from about obama ? from some stupid right wing nut jobs who really have destroyed the country ?

really man, the usa , for the last 8 years got their rectums stretched so far it just boggles the mind they cant admit it.

how can you beleive in the list you bring in after the real heavy bull s**t got piled on americans under the bush regime ?

wake up, man, philosophies like you are bringing in are tanking america, that is the real threat to the usa, right wing ass holes like rush limbaugh , who supported the absolute worst administration ever an are now just s**tting on obama

i like what obama is doing, keep up the great work obama!!just dont let the dollar go to complete hell

i like what obama is doing, keep up the great work obama!!just dont let the dollar go to complete hell

Please Obama, let the dollar go down further, so that humble and simple commoners like my excellent self can go shopping to the good Old U.S. of A for some quality Hi-Tech devices for 1/3 of the prices charged here.

Please, Google, let me download your new Operating System ASAP, so that I don't have to depend solely on Microsoft.

did you see in not one place did it say a thing about

medical expences for tube tyeing , or vsetomies .
not even abortions .
why is this .

leet the real bad off be treated yes i dont care who they are , but to go the the hospital for a cold , yeast infection , sun burn , simple stay at home and treat your self.

SAP why nor go to the US for your flu shot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obama will take care of you .
there are thing bush did i did not like and i called him on it
again i dont get the whine raido just watch cspan or tune up your computer to the fredom of imformation act web page .

the stuff you can get .

and i just go with the sun and tide like a jelly fish

they havent invented the shot yet, and, i would like to go to get it there if i wouldnt risk getting the swine flu in the process of travling. the thing takes two weeks to protect you...i could easily get the swine flu on the way to the voyage....

alright, joao, you had to go there , huh ? this officialy means we are in two differant camps on this issue.....en guarde ,prepare to defend yourself....you better bring your lunch

all the places i go i as of yet ran into any
one that has it , and at last count the US had 27.000 cases out of 300 million

most gotton from or in places where travlers for mexico have been around .

but i would not go to vegas lots there

and also on the news they were testing the new V on some 5.000 people to have it ready by end of sept .

do what i do just eat sleep drink healthy , stay out of busses.
hospitals , government buildings and close in places .

tons of fruit .

you will be okay

and sap was a slip of the key board sorry bout that

prepare to defend yourself....you better bring your lunch

Sure SAP, the beer is on you, though. I am sure we can hash out things, bury our differences and work together for the greater glories of our Republic.

On a serious note, I meant what I said in my earlier comment about the prices. I think it is ridiculous that a Brasilian consumer pays a very high price for domestically made or imported stuff. What really bothers me is while the government has reduced IPI for cars and domestic appliances, on Computers and other similar items, no such action has been taken. The same thing goes for High Speed Internet connections and phone rates. The state governments can reduce their State Tax (ISS), but they are reluctant to do so for the fear of losing the revenue generated by the tax. You know how important the PCs and the Internet are for the modern day society to educate the mass and unfortunately, the government seems to be oblivious to this important issue.

As for my commenting that the dollar should go down further: it is good for the U.S. exporters, though the Brazilian exporters (especially the small ones). Both China and India seem to be taking full advantage of this fact and it is a great opportunity for the Brasilian Industries (as well as the Brasilian consumers) to do so.

As for Forrest´s comment :

medical expences for tube tyeing , or vsetomies .
not even abortions .
why is this .

He has full reasons, if you stop to think for a while. It proves that U.S is no different from Brasil where the Health Ministery has to install free condom dispensing machine in the schools in Rio!!!

BTW, SAP, Have you changed your e-mail address?

Whatever do you mean, dear sir?
Wouldn't your staff be in a position to provide & serve dinner for at least a few dozen guests?

Although in his own boat... Just to think about the awful places areound the majority of the coastal area of this planet, some of which with pirates!!!
With the exceptions of Reminiscing to a romantic Seventh Century feeling (fear of pirates & adventure), I do not think I would survive it

Please read well - SEVENTEENTH CENTURY instead of SEVENTH CENTURY
For I would rather die than to live in such era - LOL (with the possible exception of Constantinople)

and sap was a slip of the key board sorry bout that

Nah, you guessed correctly that our good Comrade-in Arms ASP is the founding father of SAP(the manda chuva that gives Business software solutions). That is the reason why Lord Augustus is questioning his "demand" that I bring my own lunch.

Not sure how Forest manages!

Admiral Brown has gone to worse places like MIT, Hoh-Chin-Min trail, etc;.

with the possible exception of Constantinople)

Constantinople!!!!! I didn't know you Cariocas were taught where this city is located.

How could you possibly have presumed that I would not know CONSTANTIPLE??? You... among all people!
The fact that I had presumed... RATHER... The fact that I was misled into thinking that you knew me relatively well, after one year of interacting...

Is there anyone who does not KNOW the city which was origially founded by Greeks under the name of BYZANTIUM... Changed to Constantinople to honor the self-center Emperor Constantinus (Caesar Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus), which later became the capital of the BYZANTINE EMPIRE - which later was renamed, following the unfortunate islamic invasion, the OTTOMAN EMPIRE??? A lovely, earthquake-prone city at the BOSPHORUS,currently name ISTANBUL - currently the most important city of TURKEY (ALTHOUGH NOT ITS CAPITAL)

Just saw indias first home built nuke sub go off the dock big this will up set the power balance here and its name when transulated
DISTORY OF ENEMINES geee what do you think of that name .
People got mad at me for naming my boat pale horse .

as far as SEVENTEENTH CENTURY instead of SEVENTH CENTURY well as long as there has been ships there has been pirates and prosituites.

as far as me i got lots of guns on board.
and am not affraide to use them on any body

bad health of the low dollar.....do you want fries with that big mac ?

same e mail , joao , with computor problems sometimes....

yes, i want low prices too, but, its on the taxes on these goods that the prices get large...the usa exports being good for the economy is bogus. only the rich ceos make money off that...what good is making dollars if they are shrinking before our eyes (of course i know you know this from growing up through the hyper inflation years in brazil) ?

....and, dont beleive joaos statement about me being some head of a computor something or other....i wish i was....but im just a regular sap

by the way, my staff will serve you but you have to pay them after you get in line for your happy meals....

Just saw indias first home built nuke sub go off the dock big this will up set the power balance here and its name when transulated
DISTORY OF ENEMINES geee what do you think of that name .

Yes, Forrest, I read the news in "Estadão" and truly I was surprised that the sub was built quietly and launched. It does change the power balance and effectively neutralizes the heavy Chinese influence in that part of the world. I wonder how their arch-rival Pakistan is going to react. I also read that the sub was built with the Russian aid. It is interesting that the Indians used Russian technology for Military use and are very cozy with the Americans and are going to build Nuclear Power stations with the U.S. technology (ie. for civilian uses)!! As for the name, it sounds good to me as "Pale Horse" does!!

What amazes me is that both China and India are growing economically in spite of the world recession, their super populations, the natural calamities, etc;

May be you should seek a contract to build Mini-subs for the Indians.

by the way, my staff will serve you but you have to pay them after you get in line for your happy meals...

Thanks, asp, I will bring my own meals and booze for the lunch.

How could you possibly have presumed that I would not know CONSTANTIPLE??? You... among all people!

No offense intended,Old Chap. Couldn't resist pulling your leg!!

BTW, did you get to read Forrest´s entry under another thread, which is reproduced below:

on the lighter side
written by Forrest Allen Brown, July 28, 2009
Zalay in setting up shop in otraga land just over the bordor .

coulmbia has traced back guns form the farc to chaves .

now chaves is trying to sneak in farc to houndras to help start up an all out gun battle /

just to let you know

I have been closely following up the news about the "insurgency" supposedly to be set up by Mr.Zelaya!!!

with so many people on forms talking about every thing

all you would need is a person that likes to read .

os all of the senators would not make it as they dont even read the bills they are trying to pass

russia will sell military tech on nuke stuff USA does not !!!!

but will help you build a nuke plant in your country but not awoll one in the US ?????????

There is no question that the Venezuelan Neo-Marxist criminal has taken the place of Fidel Castro as the source of Trouble/Insurgency within Latin America. As such it's hardly surprising that he may now be planning to setup illegal bases in Honduras for FARC, which everybody (who is not blind, stupid, or a Venezuelan supporter) knows has been DIRECTLY FINANCED by Caracas for a very long time and appears to have now fallen under DIRECT CONTROL of the Animal-like, popularly acclaimed, Dictator of Venezuela.
Because of the near state of Bankruptcy of the USA, and the dove-like stance of Mr. Obama, the Venezuelan creature unfortunately has sufficient breathing space, and freedom of movement to go about nearly anywhere in Latin America in order to use this FILTHY PAWS with the purpose of destabilizing specific areas. In fact, you could see as examples the never ending issues in Colombia (including the recent Ecuadoran border mini-conflict), not to mention the near state of civil commotion in Rio de Janeiro due to FARC control of its various Slums (favelas).

In essence, the brutal, cynical Venezuelan animal took the place of the relatively more discrete Fidel Castro, perhaps because of a crucial difference between the two Latin Trouble Makers: whereas Cuba has always was under DIRECT control of a major super power (the former USSR), Venezuela is relatively independent, and does not required financing and political support from outside its borders.

no need for CIA
written by Forrest Allen Brown, July 28, 2009
with so many people on forms talking about every thing

all you would need is a person that likes to read .

Right Forrest, No need for CIA. Obama should close down the agency and pay us all reasonable amount of money to talk whatever we want!!!

Ah, I forgot to add in my last entry re the Indian nuclear Sub. In his article about China´s investing $200 Billions in Brazil, our friend Ricardo mentioned about the Chinese building a Nuclear Sub for us. Now we have another option. Sub contracting to either China or India. I bet you Yanks or the French cant outbid either of those two countries!!

Lord August: What is your invaluable opinion on this?

Calif. – Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is making another $656 million in cuts to build a reserve fund for California as he signs the state's new budget. Schwarzenegger cut spending on child welfare, health care for the poor and AIDS prevention Tuesday. He signed a package of bills aimed at balancing the state's $85 billion budget through June 30, 2010.

Schwarzenegger says the plan forces California to live within its means, but it makes severe cuts to government programs from schools to prisons.

The governor and lawmakers came up with a revised spending plan last week to close a $26 billion deficit. They hope it will allow the state to stop issuing IOUs.

The governor wanted a cash cushion after the Assembly rejected about $1.1 billion in revenues from local transportation funding and new oil drilling.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

SACRAMENTO, California (AP) — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Tuesday is expected to use his line-item veto power to make additional cuts to California's latest spending plan — a move advocates fear could further hurt the poor.

Social service advocates worry the Republican governor has little choice but to go after money counties receive to administer welfare and social service benefits as he seeks to restore a reserve fund for the state. Likely targets include welfare-to-work assistance, in-home support, foster care and health insurance for poor families.

With much of state spending tied up by federal and constitutional requirements, the Schwarzenegger administration wants to ensure the state has a cash cushion in case of emergencies such as earthquakes and wildfires.

"I just want to assure everyone that we will build up our reserve. We will make the necessary cuts," the governor said Friday in announcing he would sign the budget passed by the Legislature.

The governor and lawmakers had planned for a $918 million reserve in the revised budget, but the Assembly rejected two measures — raiding local transportation funds and authorizing additional oil drilling — that would have brought $1.1 billion to the state.

The Austrian-born governor's spokesman, Aaron McLear, said Schwarzenegger will restore a reserve fund but isn't expected to cut a full $1.1 billion in spending. He declined to release details.

"We will always be in a position to aggressively respond to disasters," McLear said.

Advocates view additional cuts to social programs as another blow since the Schwarzenegger administration has reduced benefits in response to the recession.

California's economy has been hit by the housing market slump and high unemployment, and the latest efforts to close a $26 billion shortfall come just five months after lawmakers and the governor ended months of negotiations to close a previous $42 billion deficit.

Under the budget the governor will sign Tuesday, the state will impose tougher sanctions on aid recipients who don't meet work requirements. And in-home support workers will have to undergo background checks and have their fingerprints taken.

In earlier rounds of cuts, California lowered reimbursement rates for health care providers and eliminated optional benefits such as dental and eye care for adult recipients.

"Why further punish children, low-income families, and the aged and disabled because the Legislature did not approve borrowing gas tax revenue?" said Frank Mecca, executive director of the County Welfare Directors Association of California.

Once Schwarzenegger signs the budget, his finance team is expected to begin briefing the state treasurer and controller, creditors and analysts on how the latest spending plan will affect day-to-day cash flow.

The governor and lawmakers are hoping their latest plan provides the assurance lenders need for the state to take out loans and stop issuing notes to thousands of vendors. Representatives for the treasurer and controller said it would take a few more days to assess the state's borrowing needs and decide whether California can stop issuing notes.

to national health care
and all the bail out money .

and china is worried about the us funds they have .

cheep products from china and inda paid with painted money

Excellent news that India has its own Nuclear Submarine, not only as a counter weight to China, but also as a significant symbolic positioning vis-a-vis their dangerous neighbors

Under normal circumstances, I'm sure that this submarine would have been a major issue in Pakistan, given their tranditional antagonism...
Yet, since Pakistan could be pratically be considered a failed state, in the brink of collapse, given the strength of the Taliban and the support it secures from fundamentalist Pakistanis, I fear that the government in Islamabad has "greater fish to fry" than worrying about India at this point...

As for Brazil's submarine, I would far prefer Brasilia elects French technology. Yet, Brazil should continue strengthening its ties with India, for it's a far more compatible, trustworthy country in light of its strong democratic foundations, equivalent concerns (e.g. poverty/ differnt levels of social development) and similar political & economical short term goals...

As for Brazil's submarine, I would far prefer Brasilia elects French technology.

I beg to differ from you.

1) First of all, we have to define who our enemy is and if it is necessary to have Nuclear Subs to protect our shorelines.

2) Once we define, we should ask ourselves if we have the domestic know-how to build a Sub.

3) I think that we have the know-how and the engineers & Techicians to do 75-80% of the job. The rest can be accomplished by recruiting "hired hands" from other countries.

Why do we have to rely on Sarko who does not generate much confidence among the Brasilians (He looks and sounds like a Bundão)

There is absolutely no question that Brazil would ideally develop the necessary know-how to build sophisticated equipments currently earmarked for the nation’s main projects.

Likewise I would wholeheartedly embrace the undeniable necessity to roughly (if not specifically) identify any possible source threat to national security (ranging from “potential” to “likely”) in order to establish the what is actually needed for the task, given limited resources.

In fact, these two topics could theoretically be merged in order to reach ideal economies of scale, if only other (distressing) political considerations (designed to benefit specific industries and/or regions/states) and ethical/legal issues (the pervasive shadow of corruption) were not exerting implacable pressures during the process.

In essence, an ideal (perhaps unrealistic) approach would prevail whereby a combination of a relatively large fleet of “standard” non-nuclear submarines could be built (utilizing already acquired/developed technology) in conjunction with a smaller number of highly sophisticated nuclear vessels, which could be strategically distributed, gradually, across the extensive Brazilian coast. These forces could be serviced/based in three to four specific sites (e.g. Florianopolis-SC, Vitoria-ES, Natal-RN, and Belem-PA), in order to maximize security, while providing crucial incentives for industrial development in specific areas (which in turn could also potentially boost economic growth in various regional sites).

Identification of the type and number of equipment, as well as the location and number of such bases would naturally be contingent upon resulting studies conducted to identify the previously mentioned potential threats to national security. Caution would have to be particularly taken, particularly among the more naïve, liberal elements in order to avoid nearly the nearly unavoidable proclivity to presume that, because Brazil has not been, as far as I know, the target of military and/or terrorist strikes, it would automatically remain immune to any such hazards in the short/near future in light of rapidly a rapidly changing “economic landscape” along with the sudden, relatively “aggressive” stance/participation of the nation in the international arena.

Assuming Brazil continues proceeding along the same course taken during the past decade, it will house an increasing number of oil platforms, following significant sacrifices and extensive expenditure within the context of a planet where:
a)Competing Regional/Global sources of economic & military power are rising and/or shifting at alarming rates
b)Crucial sources of energy are unavoidably decreasing (possibly to alarming levels later in this century
c)A brand new Brazil is emerging with increasing exposure to the dangerous world of International Affairs is unavoidably moving from a relatively isolationist / neutral stance into an overall position where Brasilia will be compelled to take sides, enter agreements, endorse decisions and possibly participate in alliances which will unquestionably generate opposition and (possibly) enmity.
d)The potential (nearly unavoidable) election/establishment of distinct administrations in Brasilia which might conceivably (and hopefully) run into opposition against the growing leftist, authoritarian pact, centered in Caracas, with proven antagonistic nefarious intents which ultimately may trigger ominous deeds designed to undermine opposing ideologies”
e)The ever growing rise of Islamic fundamentalism which is bound to expand its implacable opposition against any infidel nation whose culture and society shares Western / Humanistic values.

Assessing Brazilian Political & Military possible needs within a Planet of Shifting Powers

That is a good essay, Milord. If you had not revealed your Biography during the early days of our asociation, I would have thought you spent some quality time in AMAN/ESG before leaving our Republic.

than all you have to worrie about are the

chinese , russians , arabs

all of whom you are in bed with now

SIMPLE GET RID OF CHAVES

How do you propose doing it?

Hey, Forrest. I almost forgot. After you alerted me about the Indian Nuclear Sub, I researched a bit and found some more about this "Enemy Killer" sub. I had bookmarked the page but forgot to post (Blame it on my old age)! Here is the interesting site for ya to read:

http://www.deccanherald.com/co...arine.html

I thought the name was in English, but discovered that it was in their language and you translated correctly in English. You are truly a linguist.

looks like the post at the bottom of the page are like brasilians .

complaining on waste of money and blaming white people for there troubles

we will be off later to day to deigo garcia than down to rodruigues in a few weeks just depends on how good the sea food is

we will be off later to day to deigo garcia

Diego Garcia? That is in the Indian Ocean and where a U.S. naval base is located. What are you going to do there? Anyway, beware of the new Indian Nuclear Sub. . I saw the posts under the article I sent. But on the whole, the Indians seem to be pleased with their newest toy.

Where exactly are you now. I thought you are still anchored off the coast of Chile. Clue us all in, Forrest.

I also found Augustus´s latest comments very interesting. I need to read it once again and come out with my rebuttal!! Will do later on when I have time. In the meantime God speed and fair wind during your long voyage.

I was in san alfonoo del mar but we flew in from france with the guy who did the enginering work on the pool there , then we left back to france ,
took the boat through the ditry ditch with jews on one side and arabs on the other down and out to mombi india now to maldives then to seychelles all have very nice looking gold coins egypt has nice ones also but they do not like you taking them out of the country .

from there dont know as of yet ????could be east timor

Everything to do with the topic under discussion, though few people are able to connect. I am posting the following link and I am sure your Portuguese is still good to understand what is written:

http://www.clubemilitar.com.br...voo447.pdf

Great and honorable people do their work quietly without expecting anything in return. I am glad that there are still plenty of them left in our country.

took the boat through the ditry ditch with jews on one side and arabs on the other down

I bet you managed to navigate through the troubled waters with your strict "Texan Neutrality" (which is a step behind the "infamous Swiss Neutrality"). Who cares if they are Jews or Arabs, as long as they are hospitable to simple folks like us and serve good food!!

mombi india

I think that you are talking about Bombay (a great city, great women, great food, etc. The Gateway of India. I was there a few weeks before your Muslim friends tried to blow it up!!! Life is an adventure and it is so nice to take a boat of your own and explore the "unknown shores".

Ah, please make sure that you are not on the Indian Ocean, when the "Sunami" hits ya.

Forest, do not get any closer to the West African coast by all means... Diego Garcia is close enough...
The never ending wave of lawlessness in Somalia, with pirats taking over nearly every other ship that comes close enough to them is surely too alarming for you to risk.

The never ending wave of lawlessness in Somalia, with pirats taking over nearly every other ship that comes close enough to them is surely too alarming for you to risk.

The latest gossip is the "Enemy Killer" Sub is going to escort Forrest who has very close friends in that part of the world!!

Jokes apart, didn't you know that the Indian Navy sank a couple of Somalian Pirate ships a few months ago? The Chinese and the Indians need to keep the Gulf of Aden clear of the Pirates, because of "Strategic Reasons". BTW, we have a great fellow blogger who goes by the name of "The Guest", who sails through those "troubled waters" and has written about these pirates. We haven't heard from him for a long time, though.

have more fire power on my boat than they have on theres .

and i do not have to get Obamas bleseings to kill first .

been looking for a mrk 19 but are hard to find but have a SAW and several RPG tubes and 34 rounds. want to see the boats from me

Ever since your exceptional living situation was brought to my attention – literally living on your own boat, presumably as a large as a small-medium size house, circling the planet as you chose – my views (mostly assumptions) about its overall condition and quality tend to oscillate between excitement filled with surprises (at one end of the pendulum), into freedom with infinite choices (in the middle),, culminating with absolute terror vis-à-vis potential exposure to various types of dangerous situations (at the opposite end).

Indeed, given the extraordinary likely array of experiences / scenarios to which you are exposed, you must be, without any doubt, a man who possesses not only a vast supply of artillery but also an adventurous nature and fearless personality entrench with fiber, courage, defiance and self-confidence… My hats off to you!

Consequently, I must congratulate you for having reached your targets, and pursuing a life style, which represent, almost unquestionably, the achievement of your life’s dream…

The recent "Circus" that is going on in the media (of our Republic) is bothering me, Milord. Do you think that we are in for more surprises in the coming months?

Considering that I've been engaged in serious issues elsewhere this week (regarding the exceedingly tedious universe of Trade Finance), I have unfortunately not been kept appraised of all relevant international issues, which places me in a relatively uncomfortable setting, given the overall interest which are close to my heart.

Consequently, it would be greatly appreciated if you were in a position to perhaps consider elaborating upon your relatively vague inquiry?

JOAO - puzzing query

I was referring to the articles related to the Exmº President of our Senate and the comments made by various parties. The national media here do not seem to talk anything other than this issue, except of course showing the Soap Opera "Caminho das Indias"

Even though you are a busy man (like me), still it is worth paying attention.

Basically, I don't agree with your perceived threats from Venezuela, and Bolivia.

I don't care If Chavez decides to recreate the Spanish Empire in South America.

Brazilians should not forget that the native Indian from Bolivia screwed Petrobras to the tune of a few billion dollars.

And now that demand for gas have collapsed and the demand for Bolivian gas has declined by 50 percent - Brazil should buy gas from other sources other than Bolivian gas.

I would not worry about Chavez, because oil prices is supposed to decline in the next few months to the range of $ 30 per barrel.

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While I must, firstly, thank you for the reply and admit the relatively decrease power, in financial terms which Venezuela may have had for the past few months given the decrease in Oil prices, which automatically decreate the barbaric dictator's ability to bribe additional "supporters" into his "gang', to provide additional aid to FARC and to destabalize any "opposing country opposing Latin American country which ideology my be perceived as sufficiently threatening, I shall continues cautioning against the Caracas-Havana AXIS as the paramount sounce of MAJOR concern for any civilized county of the Western Hemisphere! Creatures like Hugo Chavez, the Castro Brothers, Evo Morales and Ortega should be removed from their capitol buildings into Torturing Chambers - on their way to death roll!

Evo Morales screwed Petrobras of billions of US dollars. Indirectly that means that he screwed the Brazilian taxpayer since the Brazilian government controls 60 percent of Petrobras stock.

The Brazilian government should build a military base close to the frontier of Brazil/Colombia/Venezuela to keep not only the guerrilha people, but also the drug dealers out of Brazil.

As I mentioned before I don't care if Chavez decides to rebuild the Spanish Empire in South America - as long as he don't mess around with Brazil.

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Ricardo
I'm delighted to see that we concur upon the basics - extreme dislike for Hugo Chavez and his puppets

Yet, I must caution NOT to under estimate that dangerous creature!!!