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As US Falls, Danger Is for Rising Brazil to Act as Subempire PDF Print E-mail
2009 - October 2009
Written by Raúl Zibechi   
Thursday, 08 October 2009 16:33

Brazilian aircraft carrierIn the span of a few days two events occurred that reveal that in small Latin American countries that were previously subordinate to Washington, the ex-superpower no longer controls their decades-old allies. The recent episodes in Paraguay and Honduras reveal that the empire's withdrawal from its own backyard is accelerating in the present systemic crisis.

The government of Paraguayan President Fernando Lugo decided to suspend the U.S. Southern Command's (SouthCom) New Horizons program in his country. The program called for the deployment of 400 U.S. soldiers for "humanitarian" work. The foreign military presence in Paraguay has long been rejected not only by campesino and social movements, but also by neighboring Brazil.

The Brazilian government objected to the operations held near the Itaipu Dam, which is responsible for 20% of the energy consumed by the eighth industrial power on the planet.

Lugo has explained his decision to refuse the SouthCom operations by citing "the new international scene in terms of defense, security, and sovereignty." The president affirmed the impact of recent debates in the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) regarding the U.S.-Colombia base agreement on his decision where he said, "The presence of American soldiers in the region was highly questioned."

Washington's ambassador in Asunción, Liliana Ayalde, called the decision "regrettable." Her response reflects the imperial impotence of the United States in a country that had been one of its most docile allies for eight decades. Ayalde weakly denied that the presence of U.S. troops in Paraguay is related to intelligence work connected with the Guarani Aquifer, one of the largest fresh-water reserves on earth. Her comments regarding the social projects that the soldiers are building and their public health efforts also failed to resonate.

The Campaign for the Demilitarization of the Americas (CADA) and Peace and Justice Service of Paraguay (SERPAJ Paraguay) condemned the Medical Readiness Training Exercise (MEDRETE) program as an effort to meddle in the country's affairs. Groups of around 50 soldiers from SouthCom traveled to remote villages, particularly zones embroiled in land conflicts, where in addition to handing out medicine and eye glasses they interrogated the population and trained the rural police force linked to the landowners.

The U.S. military presence in Paraguay has been interpreted as part of a vast plan to control a strategic zone that in the 1980s led Washington to build the military base in Mariscal Estigarribia only 200 km away, where they are able to deploy B-52s, C-130 Hercules, and C-5 Galaxy planes. With Lugo's decision, the operations of soldiers who enjoyed diplomatic immunity are coming to an end, and Washington's access to the region will suffer a setback.

Paraguay's decision comes on the heels of the series of heated UNASUR meetings regarding the U.S.-Colombia base agreement. It also comes in the context of the surprise return of Manuel Zelaya to Tegucigalpa. Zelaya's entry through the Brazilian Embassy places Lula's country at the forefront of the crisis provoked by the coup leaders.

It marks a notable success in Brazilian diplomacy that overshadows the administration of Barack Obama, as that government flounders somewhere between impotence and coddling of coup leaders.

Lula took the issue to the General Assembly of the United Nations, where the Security Council was convened. The joint action between Zelaya and the Brazilian Ministry of External Relations, with support from Venezuela, shook the political scene in Honduras and the region, and put the coup leaders - who are beginning to commit desperate errors - on the defensive for the first time. Zelaya's return and Brazilian pressure forced the international community to take measures after weeks of dangerous inaction.

On the domestic front, the Honduran people - the main actors in the resolution of this crisis - seem to have taken note of the difficulties that the leaders of the coup find themselves in, and have increased their mobilizations, forcing the coup backers to show their most brutish and repressive nature. At the international level, the passive obstruction seen in past weeks is giving way to condemnation and more severe initiatives.

Brazil's leading role, now at the center of the international stage, contrasts with the Obama administration's weak response, which has consisted of simple declarations and symbolic measures, such as withdrawing visas for coup backers. Obama seems to have his hands tied, not only in regard to the domestic situation in his own country, where the most stubborn right-wingers are obstructing his administration and threaten to block basic reform, such as healthcare, but also with the growing decline of the United States as a world power. Neither the right-wing coup backers nor democratic governments have faith in U.S. diplomacy because its legitimacy in designing world order is in question.

The image of Zelaya appearing to greet his people from the balcony of the Brazilian Embassy is as unforgettable as the unanimous applause that Lula garnered in the General Assembly of the UN. The European Union, the most neutral governments of the region, and even the White House aligned themselves behind the demand for immediate restitution of the Honduran President. Independent of how the crisis in Honduras is resolved, Lula and Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim emerge as more powerful players on the world stage and Brazilian diplomacy has expanded its role in the region.

The rising star, Brazil, is beginning to fill the void left by the declining role of the United States in the region. The political and military accords reached with France permit the South American country to rely on a solid ally to attain a desired seat on the UN Security Council.

That new role also has its costs. Brazil will continue to honor its alliance with Washington. The nation has no intention of precipitating a rupture with the United States. Instead it seeks to consolidate its autonomy and free up its hands in the region without suffering direct obstruction from the U.S. government.

For many of Brazil's neighbors, the switch from U.S. to Brazilian domination could mean little real change if the rising power behaves like a "subimperialist," as Rui Mauro Marini warned three decades ago.

For More Information

Lugo's dilemmas
http://americas.irc-online.org/am/6455

The Sound and Fury of the Honduran Coup: Acoustic and Chemical Attacks on Brazilian Embassy
http://americasmexico.blogspot.com/2009/09/sound-and-fury-of-honduran-coup.html

Is Brazil Creating Its Own "Backyard"?
http://americas.irc-online.org/am/5836

Raúl Zibechi is an international analyst for Brecha of Montevideo, Uruguay, lecturer and researcher on social movements at the Multiversidad Franciscana de América Latina, and adviser to several social groups. He writes the monthly "Zibechi Report" for the Americas Program (www.americasprogram.org).

Translated from "América Latina: Se acelera la retirada imperial" by Brandon Brewer.



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Unasur contaminated by Brazilian Self-Delusion...
written by Augustus, October 08, 2009
PLEASE!!! Wake up and smell the aroma of the coffee brewing!
While there is NO QUESTION that the USA is in (STEEP) decline, there is NO WAY Brazil would be in a position to take command of Latin America... It cannot EVEN control its own major cities...
I'm amazed!!!
so full of your self
written by Forrest Alllen Brown, October 08, 2009
Nsxt time you need help call brazil , let them send troops , money ,drill your water wells , save you from flood , famin , and other types of dasters . GOOD OLD BRAZIL WILL HELP .

yes the US may be slowing down but to reinvent its self , get rid of pbo and his gang of missfits
move to a more stable econmey ,
Quit bailing out thoes that are not real friends , slow down on the visa speed up on the deportations .

brazil new laws on oli compaines is going to hit home very soon as there is not a large enough profit for them to work in brazil , look to chaves he is begging oil compaines to return to his country , but why should they he screwed them once just 3 years ago , it took mexico and pemx 15 years before companies would go back there and look how far behind in oil production they are. chaves is wores then that .

as far as the US needing a bace in south it can use the malvinas and the 4 fleet but for what to protect some country that does not like the US or its help .

Mr Z will be the total wreck of brazil in hounduras , and besides the isralis are not in hounduras working on Z they would have just killed him if they wanted him dead
Forrest, I must say you are right !
written by ch.c., October 08, 2009
If Brazil is so strong, so good, so better than everybody else, then why dont the millions of brazilians illegals in the USA or Europe...GO BACK STRAIGHT HOME ?
They should find a good secure job and well paid at home !

Such as a sugarcane cutter, worker in fazendas, or in the charcoal industry, beach vendor, drug dealer, or such as....being hired by their short staffed municipalities or governmentssss ?
Eventually more staff is also needed at the Senate.
After all if today there are 121 employees at the Senate per Senator, why not increase that rate by 50 % more or why not double ?


This is job creation that Robbing Hook works hard for a higher job growth rate !
The Empire In Decline
written by Severino, October 08, 2009
Lula: Yes We Can!

Obama: No, you can't!
Thank You George W Bush
written by Leo Bonneville, October 08, 2009
Im sure you are all aware that if Mr Bush had led with his head instead of his balls none of this would be happening right now.. Sure, he took a dictator out of office, but how did that benefit the United States and its interests around the world, We all know Brazil was due to become a world power sooner or later but Mr Bush most certainly sped up that process...

The United States made a big mistake entering Iraq... Until another leader proves that the US is a peaceful, honest, and just country, we're in for a rude awaking when it comes to US diplomacy, specially in South America!

Leo Bonneville
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written by Charles Scott, October 08, 2009
The U.S.A. is down for now, but do not count her out. Brazil will need two hundred years of unrestrained growth and investment in education and infrastructure before it can begin to compare itself to the United States. America is currently embroiled in two wars overseas. Once it extricates itself from both wars. It will again rise to become the world's superpower. Lessons have been learned from the Bush years that will never occur again. As for the decision of Paraguay and the Honduras. Don't believe the hype. America cannot force Honduras to accept the return of Zelaya, a Castro man, that is what is going on.
lb
written by Forrest Allen Brown, October 08, 2009
history is still out on bush and what he did .

what is not out is that brazil has a lot father to go on the elvonary scale than the US will lose in your life time .

i have fathe in the people of the US , no not the illeagles that are demanding citisenship for there vote in the next election .


the under educated in the US are the samy as in brazil just looking for a hand out not a hand up
Leo Bonneville
written by João da Silva, October 09, 2009
Sure, he took a dictator out of office,


Are you talking about Mohammar Khaddaffi or OBL? Please do be specific.
this is a hack job by a disgrunteled anti american from uruguay...
written by asp, October 09, 2009
comon man, lugo decided he didnt want usa military during his presidency just like correa did, they are from parties that dont want usa influence in the area and they got elected so they can act on their agendas...what the f**k is so dificult about that to understand?

huge flaws and mischaractorisations in there...but, uruguay had a heavy crack down in their deicatorship and their were a lot of idiots who thought castro and che were romantic, so you have a lot scars and resentments floating around
To the 18-19 years old junkie Leo the Idiot
written by ch.c., October 09, 2009
"We all know Brazil was due to become a world power"

Ohhh sure....with exports per capita at Us$ 1000.- !
Beaten by even many South Americans countries.

And humbly (smilies/tongue.gif) against exports only of US$ 25'000 per capita in my country !!!

Even more funny that my midget country with a population of 7,7 millions is able to export as much as "Brazil The Mega Country - The New World Power" with a population of 200 millions.


Or ratio of 25 to 1 in Brazil...DIS-FAVOR !

Viva Brazil the World Best Country on Earth !
Keep exporting iron ore are Us$ 80.- per ton, soyameal at US$ 300.- per ton, soybeans at Us$ 400.- per ton, corn at US$ 150.- per ton, sugar at Us$ 500.- per ton (a 30 year high in prices...by the way!)

And we will keep exporting Rolex watches at MINIMUM Us$ 2500.- per 100 grams or whatever...to whoever wants them !
And if you want more or less expensive, no problem, we have many brands available. Just ask or visit showrooms !
Rolex if just for an average high middle income.

Ohhh and we dont need our President as a salesman contrary to Brazil !
Not even for our cheeses, chocolates or whatever we export !
Here we dont talk...we work and act !

And last but not least....World Powers...in my humble view...EXPORT ARMAMENTS AND DONT IMPORT THEM !!!!!
Does America, China, Russia, France, UK, etc etc import armaments ?
Just look now at Brazil and their pitty decrepitated armaments...very old, not in use due to lack of maintenance.
NO ?
YES...of course :
- Only 267 or 37% of the Air Force's aircraft are operational, lack of maintenance and spare parts have grounded 452 aircraft. Adding to this problem is the fact that 60% of the aircrafts are 20 years old or older.
- A 2007 report pointed out that not only the Navy had just 21 combat surface ships to patrol 7,367 km (4,578 mi) of coastline, but also only 10 of those ships were operational. Additionally, most operational ships are plagued with operating restrictions.
- Out of the Navy's 5 submarines, only one is fully operational, another two operate with restrictions, and 27 or 46% of the Navy's 58 helicopters are inoperable.
- Seventy-eight percent of all Army vehicles are 34 years or older and some trucks date back to World War II. General Enzo Martins Peri added the fact that most of the Army's artillery guns are also from World War II. Out of the Army's 1,437 armored vehicles, over 40% are not combat ready, and 40% or 2,670 of the Army's vehicles are not operational. General Augusto Heleno Ribeiro Pereira, then commander of the Amazonian Military Command stated that some weapons have been in use for more than 40 years.
- Lastly, the amount of ammunition stock is only 15% of what is recommended.



But but but 18-19 years old junkies like Leo is right 100 % in his view !

In my humble view Argentina could invade Brazil in ONE WEEK !
In my humble view Chile could invade Brazil in ONE MONTH !
In my humble view Chavez could invade Brazil in 3 days.
In my humble Brazil may win a war against Ecuador, but with many casualties.... in Brazil !

Lets face it, you have a very small small small fraction of Armaments that Saudi Arabia has. In 2 hours they would destroy most of what armaments remain operationable in Brazil.

If you know a little of history...DAVID WON AGAINST GOLIATH !
Ask America !
Have they won in Vietnam ? Somalia ? Afghanistan after 9 years for what was supposed to be a "short war" ? Iraq also supposdely a "short war" ?

Where is Bin Laden after having spent nearly a trillion dollars to arrest him !
Ohhhhh myyyy....what an expensive guy ! Hitler was a lot cheaper. He committed suicide ! Bad luck...not Bin Laden !
smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, October 09, 2009
Where is Bin Laden after having spent nearly a trillion dollars to arrest him !
Ohhhhh myyyy....what an expensive guy ! Hitler was a lot cheaper. He committed suicide ! Bad luck...not Bin Laden !


Lets not forget that it cost much cheaper to hire "laranjas" like Chalabi and Al Maliki to hang Saddam Hussein. smilies/cheesy.gif

Gee, too many "laranjas" in this thread trying to sell real estate properties in Brasil for absurd prices. smilies/angry.gif
chc
written by Forrest Allen Brown, October 09, 2009
the state of TEXAS has a higher GNP than brazil with only 27 million people

and your rolex is just an expensive sport watch but a good one .

but remember war brings forth new technolgy what have we learned .

will come outin a few years .

the war with hitler took more lives than all the other wars you talked about .

but again why would any country want to invade brazil what would you gain but a welfare country .

you would have to build the country not rebuild it then teach or train 200 million people the right way to do things and even then it would take 3 genrations for it to work
Forgeting one thing...Ch.C, Forrest, Whom ever...
written by Leo Bonneville, October 09, 2009
Just answer me this, How many countries had the import of 4 million African slaves? or any at that?(without the consent of its citizens by the way)and have had or currently have racial apartheid? and had the turbulent past Brazil has had?

Sure sure we're just looking for excuses, right? That wasn't a big deal, the families of the people affected we compensated, right? Yup, justice was made! Haha what a joke..

Tell me this bud, if you dont mind, you might.. how many of those countries have the same potential Brazil have? and yes I know! Its mostly because in 30 40 or maybe 50 years the world will run out of resources and while they can make their on products, they can't make their own food, or wait, why can't they? oh yeah, cuz it'll taste like s**t but who cares, right? you're wearing a rolex, ; ) haha Dumb Dumb

So I understand that.. "Peer Caaapital" I wish you could see my face while saying that, your Switzerland exports products that are more expensive, but understand one thing, Brasil has a diverse export market, and a diverse commodity sector, thus we dont depend on any 1 item to survive, on the contrary we are lucky to be so broad and have so much commodity as one day, we will make everything in Brasil. ; )

including Airplanes, heard of Embraer? Im sure you are very aware that Brazil is purchasing armaments, with ALL OF ITS TECHNOLOGY, and yes no restrictions, and maybe you're right, Brazil is not a current SUPERPOWER but its setting its self up to be one in umm 20 30 years which luckily enough for me would be the good part of my life and for you guys unfortunately not the best of years, huh? So I understand why you're so caught up in the past and even a few years ago, in the present, but lets look into the future and see the true reality between our countries.. huh huh.. ahh you don't have too!

But in case you do want to I'll be Rio or Recife getting a tan, anytime you guys wanna come up for a caipirinha send me an email, we'll set it up!

Vida Boa..

Leo Bonneville
ch.c you want this one
written by Forrest Allen Brown, October 10, 2009
yse brazil had 10 times as many slaves as the US with it only 600.000

but was it not in most cases the portugues that bought them from arabs and sold them to every one ,
but brazil still has slaves but in many colors .

you vast recsorces are being blead out of your country at a rate that you will not have any in 50 years .

your plane company buys all the parts to stuff into a skin that is subedies by your goverment and sold very cheep .

your planes your goverment picked up from the french are okay if you are going after surinam or boilva, and the tech is 20 years old at best .

and your next to last statement all but sums it up at the beach drinking drinking

as far as VIDA BOA you should be so luckey to have had half the life i have had so far
Leo Bonneville
written by Double-Dot, October 10, 2009
But in case you do want to I'll be Rio or Recife getting a tan, anytime you guys wanna come up for a caipirinha send me an email, we'll set it up!


You are one hell of an arsehole. Great to sit in Utah and singing the glories of Brasil, trying to sell properties to the unsuspecting gringos. You are a "Gostozão" too. Nobody is going to send you an e-mail to buy the piece of property you are trying to peddle in Rio or Recife. You are boorish and banal.
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written by carlos wutke barwick, October 10, 2009
Brazil is rising while USA is in decline, but it does not mean that Brazil is taking over !!! Next decade when USA decides to invade a Nation,it will have to answer to other nations,just not Brazil. The world is changing and no World Power stays on top forever. Ask the Greeks,Romans and Germans... smilies/tongue.gif
so right and yet so wrong...
written by Leo Bonneville, October 10, 2009
Boorish, banal? highly unlikely my friend, you are correct in one thing, I was raised in the capital of the republican state of Utah, Salt Lake City and I can tell you from experience, after the Olympics Rio De Janeiro will boom(like Salt Lake City did after the 2002 winter olympics)and so I'm a Brazilian looking in from the outside, but this doesn't mean I'm not working towards a better Brazil, a more educated, sophisticated, safer Brazil.

Yes, I'm in the Real Estate Business, but don't confuse my intentions as I do not need to sell you gringos Brazilian property, but if you were smart you'd be begging me to sell you property, haha nevertheless, its not the objective here.

Even though it may not seem like it I do appreciate most of the information on www.brazzil.com, I don't appreciate the anti-Brazilian propaganda some of these Brazilian haters are trying to run here, only because we're patriotic citizens. Sorry, but its in our blood to be proud of where we came from, even if its not the greatest place in the world, but ask most Brazilians and they would tell you, no matter where they've been, lived, hoped to live.. there's no place like home, if you're Brazilian that is! haha I think Ch.C just lost some more hair after that last statement there.

Leo Bonneville
im with you leo
written by asp, October 10, 2009
im a gringo in brazil for 23 years, everytime i leave on business the world looks grey

if i had money to burn id definily by property in recife or rio...i love those cities
asp
written by Double-Dot, October 10, 2009
everytime i leave on business the world looks grey


You must be a fan of "Mamas and the papas". "All the leaves are brown and the world is grey"!!!!

If you are with Leo, you must be with lots of important people in the Republican party as well the most prominent person in Brazil. Hope Bonnerville donates the properties he owns in Rio and Recife to you. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
Leo Bonneville
written by Double-Dot, October 10, 2009
there's no place like home, if you're Brazilian that is!


If you feel that way, why don't you go home and be more useful instead of trying to peddle properties in Rio and Recife sitting in your comfortable home in Utah?

BTW, are you a legal resident of U.S.?
double-dot
written by Leo Bonneville, October 10, 2009
Call immigration and lets find out...haha
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written by Double-Dot, October 10, 2009
Call immigration and lets find out...haha


I don't have to call the Immigration as I take your word for granted. But still you haven't answered my question. If you are so smart and think that your country is doing soo well, why don't you go back to contribute to its further development?
asp
written by Forrest Allen Brown, October 11, 2009
you been in brazil for 23 years and still dont have money to burn .

how do you go away on business by thumb.

land in recife is dirt cheep and abru lima just a bit north .

just stay out of the web land mongers they jack up 4 to 5 100%


i can put you on to some very good beach front for little of nothing .
forrest, main man
written by asp, October 11, 2009
yeah, i dont have too much money to burn...the business trips pay for themselves...

thanks for the tip, i probably wont be able to do anything now, but, if things change ill be in contact...
Reply to ch.c
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, October 11, 2009

Ch.c: Ohhh sure....with exports per capita at Us$ 1000


*****

Ricardo: Ch.c your country “Switzerland” is a very immaterial country in world affairs in about any category other than money laundering.

That figure is based on a population of 200 million people in Brazil.

But everything is relative for example: China has a GDP per capita of $6,000 (2008 est.) – and in the other hand China is lending lots of money to keep the U. S. economy afloat and indirectly the economy of Switzerland as well.


*****


Ch.c: And humbly against exports only of US$ 25'000 per capita in my country !!!


*****

Ricardo: Switzerland has only a small population of 7 million people and a labor force of about 4 million people. And the size of Switzerland is nothing to write home about, and your ocean front homes and your beaches are really beautiful.

The bread and butter of Switzerland the money laundering industry it will enter a new phase of global governments scrutiny which will affect Switzerland most valued customers such as the crooks, tax cheaters, money from drug traffickers, and all kinds of dirty money that the Swiss can find around the world.

When we compare the Brazilian army with the Swiss army and here you have a picture of Swiss soldiers armed with Switzerland latest weapons, please check it out and have a good laugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard

The Swiss soldiers look like a bunch of guys who are heading for a Halloween Party dressed on their medieval costumes.

For all practical purposes The Swiss Guard belongs to a circus since the best they can do is entertain people. I would love to see the Brazilian army having a confrontation with the Swiss Guard – in that case what kind of weapons the Brazilian army would be allowed to use against the Swiss Guard? – Maybe Bow and Arrows?

Switzerland is losing even its code of honor when their banking institutions promised secrecy about their money laundering shenanigans and today they are turning their customers information to other governments destroying on the way the trust that foreigners had on the Swiss banking institutions.

Switzerland a country best known for its famous products Swiss cheese, and “RICOLA”.

.
double-dot
written by Leo Bonneville, October 11, 2009
And who said Im not planning on doing that? Unfortunately Im still studying in Utah, but very soon my fried...

You'll hear about me somewhere down the line...

But its funny that I'm being called Boorish, Banal and being accused of trying to sell property and here is FORREST offering people cheap land in Brasil.. Are you kidding me?

The hypocrisy here is unbarring...

I was hoping Ch.C would give an explanation since FORREST could come up with anything to prove or at least show doubt that Brasil is not going to be the SUPERPOWER that I was referring them as in a decade or 2.

Ch.C you know better than most people here..numbers don't lie!
Leo Bonneville
written by Double-Dot, October 11, 2009
But its funny that I'm being called Boorish, Banal and being accused of trying to sell property and here is FORREST offering people cheap land in Brasil.. Are you kidding me?


No, I am not kidding you.But you are treating the rest of us as clowns.Proof ? I ask everyone in this forum to double click on the link you have provided. You are attacking Forrest, because you see him as your competitor.

Unfortunately Im still studying in Utah, but very soon my fried...


Why is it so "unfortunate" to be studying in Utah? I guess you don't like to study, but to cause nuisance to your neighbors.

BTW, I know your country of birth from North to South and that around 20,000 families control it.You must belong to one of those dynasties. When you get back home, try to sell the Amazon rain forest for the highest bidder.
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written by Charles Scott, October 11, 2009
Can someone please tell me. As a American citizen, is it safe to buy real estate in Brazil. I have received two offers that look good, one in Maceio and the other in Floranopolis, but my fear is this, after purchasing the property, what stops the government from barring my entry. Please respond. I am very serious.
Charles Scott
written by João da Silva, October 11, 2009
Can someone please tell me. As a American citizen, is it safe to buy real estate in Brazil. I have received two offers that look good, one in Maceio and the other in Floranopolis,


If you post the name of the suburb in the second city you mentioned, name of the Real Estate agency and the price they are asking, I will ask someone to check if it is worth buying.

but my fear is this, after purchasing the property, what stops the government from barring my entry


Not worth buying any property without getting an entry visa and seeing it yourself before the purchase. Unless you have the CPF (it is equivalent to your Social Security Number), I can not see how you can buy a property in your name. I suggest you check with the nearest Brazilian Consulate about the types of visa you should get to enter the country and buy a property.
excelent advice , joao
written by asp, October 12, 2009
check with the brazilian consulate nearest you...

and definitly take up joaos offer to research the suburb and real estate agent for the florianopolis property

if its praia de francais in macieo , ive heard good things about it...

other incredible advice by joao, you outght to check out anything in person before you buy it...any investment like that ought to be seen in person before commiting the kind of money it takes to buy property these days
asp
written by João da Silva, October 12, 2009
excelent advice , joao


Thanks ASP. You know me well enough by now to understand my motto: "Don´t screw others and not let them screw you". It is up to Charlie Scott to take up or not my advice. smilies/cheesy.gif
Charles Scott
written by Forrest Allen Brown, October 12, 2009
there are no for sures in brazil even in land

the person that sold you the land ma not have paid him so he can come
the brother of the person that sold you the land may not have given him his half so now he wants his from you as his brother spent his .

and farm land gets worse and commercial land even worse than that .

BUYER BE WARE is the motto in land deal in brazil

you can buy land that some one has owned for years but some one set a house on it you have to buy them of it .
you can even buy land that you cant get to as you have no right of way .
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written by Charles Scott, October 12, 2009
@ Joao de Silva.Thank you. I will get the information to you later today.
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written by Charles Scott, October 12, 2009
The name of the company is BLC. The property is in Fortaleza, not Floranopolis, I often confuse them and this is the info of the guy that sent me an e mail.....tomgordon@blcbrazil.com
Cell Phone: 011-505-8683-3197
Phone Fax: 55 85 3224-6659
Skype: GordonTom

Charles Scott
written by João da Silva, October 13, 2009
BLC=Brazil Land Consult. Tom Gordon, a Brit? Fortaleza is far up north from where we live. You better listen to the advice of Mr.Forrest Brown, as well. Too many carpetbaggers in that part of the country.

Good luck with the deal you are trying to make.
joao's advice still holds...
written by asp, October 13, 2009
check with the brazilian consulat and make sure you go down to visit the place and get a feel for where the land is before you plunk down money
Charles Scott
written by Bo, October 13, 2009
I, my partners, and numerous foreigners that I know have purchased property here in the northeast of Brazil. The only thing I can tell you is to be VERY careful. Numerous english bought properties here in my city and now they're wanting to sell and won't be able to get their money out of the country because they invested in the wrong manner. They sent their monies to an agent in England instead of directly to the seller in Brazil via a contract of buy and sell.

NEVER pay any monies to an agent....only directly to the seller in Brazil and via banco central.

There are numerous other things a foreigner needs to be cautious about but it's too lengthy for me to report on here.

And as some have already mentioned, in the northeast specifically there are NUMEROUS scams that have taken place, particullary in Fortaleza.

Be careful!
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written by Charles Scott, October 13, 2009
Thanks a million guys. I really appreciate this.
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written by HANS, October 15, 2009
Commentaries regarding a US in decline: to those who lack forward thinking or have simply forgotten history, the US has persevered through much worse. To not be considered a super power is in itself incidental. It is perhaps in the US's best interest to cease assisting other countries and focus more on its domestic policies. As for Brazil, I would love to see Brazil become more prominent and carry much of burden and responsibility the US has carried for so long.

Truthfully, who cares what happens in Honduras, but the world looks to the US to see how it will respond. Do nothing it is criticized, support the coup: it becomes another US conspiracy to control the world, support the return of Zelaya: it becomes symbolic proof of the decline of US influence in the region.

Even the world economies blame the US for their problems because they depend on it. The primary reason, in my humble opinion, is that the world sold its goods to the American consumer and became complacent. The world depends on the American high standard of living. Without it, who would buy all those neat toys made in China and all the other non-essential crap Americans spend billions on.

American culture permeates all sectors of the world. Not since the Roman Empire has one culture so fully influenced the world at large. Those who are so critical of the US are perhaps envious that it has achieved so much. The US declared its independence in 1776, Brazil in 1822 a mere 46 year difference and yet one is a super power the other... not.

If Brazil wants to become a world leader, excellent. The world blames the US for everything that happens or doesn't happen. Brazil, due to its size and population, has always been the dominant country in South America (excluding of course the US). Now, with its desire to become a world player, I can guarantee it too will become a target of malcontents the world over. Just like Paraguay and Bolivia have already done, Brazil will be accused of taking that which is not theirs. If the predictions of some the contributors of this blog are correct, Brazil will be a world power in 20 or 30 years. Just in time for a nuclear attack carried in a brief case by some reactionary who doesn't like Brazil's foreign policy.

For those Brazilians living in the US:

It is good to see other show pride in their country, however, I have always been critical of arrogance and intolerance. This is something I have never accepted as an American and as an American I have attempted to show humility and tolerance of other cultures. Brazilians have begun to impress upon me what appears to be a superiority complex in regards to the rest of South America. Now with the US crisis it has become even more evident. Of this I am extremely critical. Great to see Brazil prosper, finally. However, the Brazilian, the individual, has yet to make his mark in the pages of history. What are the grand Brazilian achievements that set it apart from its neighbors? What has Brazil contributed to make this a better world? Why does Brazil demand technology transfer with its weapons purchases? Does it not have the capacity to invent its own technology? The US, China, etc. did.

Of those living and educating themselves in the US, why? This is what it means to be a world power. It is the privilege and responsibility of contributing something to the rest of humanity. It is to create. Brazil is still parasitic in its approach as is evident to me with the purchases of armament from France.
Hans...
written by Bo, October 15, 2009
you're right on the mark. Until Brazil makes a REAL (serious) investment in education over an elongated period of time they will continue to be an agricultural country. A country where others import raw materials from, manufacture them, and then sell them back to Brazil at a premium along with some of the highest import taxes on the planet.

Until the "system" of foreign investment is significantly changed here, barriers removed, foreigners will continue to only make "short term" investments in the markets, make a quick hit, then return to safer, more investor friendly markets.
Commenting on HANS and BO remarks
written by Augustus, October 15, 2009
Firstly, I would like to make important observations regarding two remarks made by HANS (the first one representing an agreement whereas point out crucial caveats / the second a 2-part disagreement).
FIRST ITEM
Starting with the most significant:
For those Brazilians living in the US:
It is good to see other show pride in their country, however, I have always been critical of arrogance and intolerance.

While I agree with you 100%, for I’m a firmer believer that any foreign resident at any third host country, should have the decency to behave graciously towards his hosts; notwithstanding his/her freedom of speech which does indeed guarantee his/her right to express his/her views, as needed – yet always with respect and gratitude.

Yet, Hans statement was way too broad, in a way that it implied that ALL Brazilians residing in the US behave that way. Although I am a citizen of both countries, one could interpret that entry as applying to my case, which, I hope you know has NEVER ever been the case. Any previous criticism and/or objection I may have had to any given past actions of the United States (as a citizen) have not refrain to voice any such objection, but always with the due respect and consideration I consider appropriate for (and expected of) any citizen and/or guest foreign national.
SECOND ITEM
Regarding Hans’ comments comparing the United States with the Roman Empire, I must unfortunately object, for two crucial reasons:
1.First and foremost, whereas the United States global influence has been in effect for nearly a century, I would feel reluctant to agree to this analogy, given the crucial detail that the Roman Empire ACTUALLY ruled DIRECTLY (not just influenced) their “known” world in addition to the other important fact that the period of Roman predominance was FAR GREATER – it lasted nearly 500-600 years! As such, the comparison is invalid
2.Secondly, the statement that only the United States could be compared to the former Roman Empire is also incorrect, for two former empires had far more DIRECT power, influence, not to mention CONTROL of the World – in exactly the same way of their Roman predecessors, namely,
a.The Kingdom of SPAIN, which ruled the globe for over 200 years (from about 1500 through about 1700). In fact, the Spanish Habsburgs, in addition to the American colonies, and African/Southeast Asian outposts, also controlled what today was Belgium, Holland and southern Italy!
b.The British Empire, how could any American overlook the United Kingdom, which was only the master of these very United States, along with Canada, Belize, Guiana, half of Africa, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Burma, Afghanistan, Singapore, Australia, Cyprus, New Zealand as well as Palestine – and THIS was a true Empire which could be compared to Rome


COMMENTING ON BO’s remark, briefly…
Until Brazil makes a REAL (serious) investment in education over an elongated period of time they will continue to be an agricultural country. A country where others import raw materials from, manufacture them, and then sell them back to Brazil at a premium along with some of the highest import taxes on the planet.

You’re 100% correct! Without serious, SIGNIFICANT investment in its education (as well as it the health of its people and the nation’s infrastructure), its current “joyful ride” of “super-power in the making” will not last long!
Augustus
written by HANS, October 15, 2009
Yet, Hans statement was way too broad, in a way that it implied that ALL Brazilians residing in the US behave that way.


Augustus is absolutely right. I apologize for my generalization. There in fact a great many Brazilians who live the US which I admire and respect.

In regards to my comments regarding the Roman Empire, I by no means intended to say that the two cultures were the same. My intent was to express my opinion that not since the Roman period has one culture been a part of so many others, but of course for two very different reasons. In fact, I argue against those who call America an empire. Rome did in fact exist much longer and continue to be part of even modern history. Again, my belief is that "Americanism" has become part of many cultures, even those that hate us.
the bums shot down a police helicoptor
written by AES, October 21, 2009
when a bunch of thieves are allowed to shoot down a police helicoptor, two things are self evident: either it is time to invest billions in the infrastructure of military/police personnel or sell the property to the chinese and let them bring their police to protect their property. brazil has already borrowed so much money from the chinese what does it matter if the police eat rice and are asian, at least they are not intimitated by thuggery, thievery, bribery, a bullet paid for by the offender's family to the state. Brazil needs law and order, cut the cancer out, listen in and target, cut off the head, use the telephone in the prison, this is obviously the central command, of at least 200,000 guerrilas, liberalism may be defined as the right to put grafitti where ever/ merely define it as 'art' the expression of the down trodden/ yeh rubbish crime is crime, it starts with the littlest of things, like a kid calling a cop a 'pig' or a child disrespecting his parent/ its over jack, the pendulum is swinging to the right, the world cup, olympics its too much money, and it is money that moves the nation/ without a well paid police, a strong military industrial technological complex, all the music in the world aint nothing but dancing in the streets with a headache in the morning and trash all over the beach/ i'm tired of the trash/ let's take out the trash.

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