Brazzil

Perhaps Brazil which has been a lazy giant ever since the proclamation of the Republic in 1889, has taken several dozes of AMBIEN (a popular sleeping pill in the United States), as it seems unlikely that it will ever wake up. Under which circumstances I consider it exceedingly unlikely that our beloved Big Boy will ever be able to escape its eternal DEEP SLEEP, thereby rendering me rather skeptical that it will be in a position to start awakening by 2016, let alone be up and ready to efficiently and safely host the World Athletes in Rio de Janeiro for the Olympic Games & Festivities!

Surely not with successive Socialist administrations sitting in Brasilia (rather, with a ridiculous chief of state who is hardly ever Brasilia, as he appears to be in a never ending “Tour of the World” in a shameful effort to become popular); a hypocritical administration which keeps on condoning the shameful presence of FARC (the Venezuelan-Cuban-Ecuadorian financed Colombian guerillas) which has been undoubtedly plaguing most of the Rio slums (favela) and have been continuously contributing for the deterioration of the Security conditions for the abused Rio Residents… Indeed, these poor, victimized CARIOCAS (Citizens of Rio) have been condemned by the irresponsible Federal Government (dominated by Socialists from the PT) to deal with an endless flow of stray bullets, Bus robberies, car-jacking cases not to mention the unfortunate slum dwellers who must also, in addition, survive under the daily intimidation of these FARC dominated Favelas (Financed by their dictator friend sitting in Caracas).

Furthermore, without the deliberate intention of deviating the subject matter, one must never lose sight of the deteriorating condition of the nation’s infrastructure, the appalling condition of the Educational system, and the never ending shameful corruption riddled politicians not only in the various state capitals (particularly those in the North/Northeast of the nation) but especially in Brasilia! If only there could be a slight decrease in the shameful corrupt behavior of our Senators, we might have a shiver of hope (Yet, such endeavor would be so enormous that might be equated with the ability of securing a gift from Santa Claus during Christmas),

Perhaps if these shameful socialists from PT were not compelled to keep their secret pact with the Neo-Leninist Venezuelan dictator (the monster Hugo Chavez) than perhaps Brazil could attempt to recover control over its major metropolitan areas, primarily Rio de Janeiro, in order to be poised to secure better living conditions for its metropolitan citizens, thereby enabling Brazilians to welcome the world in 2016 and to prevent a SHAMEFUL PERFORMANCE, riddled by corrupted deals and rampant crime!

"Surely not with successive Socialist administrations sitting in Brasilia...a hypocritical administration which keeps on condoning the shameful presence of FARC (the Venezuelan-Cuban-Ecuadorian financed Colombian guerillas)..."

I did not know that the crime and drug problems in Rio began with the inception of the "socialist" PT government in Brasilia, and they were allowing FARC to hang out RIO.
Thank you for informing us. I guess the Brasilian military is impotent. Thus you are right, Brasil is not ready to be a leader since its military cannot secure Brasil's borders.

Here we go again Augustus "The Neurotic"...

Don't you have something better to do with your time other than Bash about everything about my country Brazil.

What kind of idiot say something like this: "lazy giant ever since the proclamation of the Republic in 1889"

You are a real anti-Brazil you Pompous ass.

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i dont think augustus means farc is literaly walking around in the favelas....

there are various factions involved with arms and drug deals to the huge drug gangs in the major brazilian cities...rougue elements from the parguain army are also proven factors in arms and drugs coming into brazil

but , beyond all doubt, farc has its tenticles firmly entrenched in dealing with fernando beira mar and his network in rio (he was busted directly with them and his leiutenants still do business with them according to a recent report i read), the pcc in sao paulo and a recent major bust that encumbased the entire north east and amazona area, was proved to have ties to a colombian marxist guerila group that was coming through venezuela , which sounds like no one else but the farc

in the last 10 years ive seen report after report that confirms this connection. and it is also very interesting that the people who have made this connection, seem to come up with plans of urban violence in the form of mass attacks on the police , and mass bus burnings just at the times these reports come out...

two great examples is that recently, when the northeast connection was busted, salvador had huge bus burnings and attacks on police and they caught the perpatrators and they were connected to the people busted dealing with the rebelion group from colombia coming through venezuela

after a report lincing the pcc , the huge gang in sao paulo, with the farc, there was a mass asault on the police in 24 or 48 hours time, that sounded like to me co ordinated guerila action right out of colombia..

while these gangs arnt marxist gangs by any means, its obvious they are trading notes with the people they are in close connections of dealing these arms and drugs about strategic plans for civil disruption

There are blind naïve Brazilians in the US who are too busy accusing their hosts and kissing the “behind” of the Chinese to see the truth!

Those ungracious guests who also reside here in the United States, not only have the audacity to call Brazil as THEIR OWN only, but are too far too busy attacking the very country where they have spent most of their lives (daily hauling anti-American slogans) to see what is really happening the conditions in the streets of Brazil’s large metropolitan areas, especially Rio de Janeiro and Salvador.

Those Brazilians, keen to secure “padrinho” supporters for their eventual political career in Brazil, go to the point of promoting the surrender of OUR country’s currency to the People’s Republic of China with a so-called “New Asian Currency, have the audacity to accuse me as a traitor, hypocritically and/or idiotically unaware that their very cause would represent the greatest of all BETRAYALS to Brazil, should their promoted cause ever succeed!

Consequently I leave to the remainder of the audience to judge who is truly betraying the country, for I shall NEVER stop advocating any association with the foes of LIBERTY regardless if their sit in Caracas, Havana or Beijing; for in the long run any direct connection with these totalitarian monsters will do nothing but harm our naïve compatriots, our fragile emerging economy and further derail the shameful corrupt path currently pursued by most politicians in Brasilia!

Though I vowed myself not to make comments under this thread nor any other in this magazine and watch the novelas instead, couldn't resist making a few observations:

Furthermore, without the deliberate intention of deviating the subject matter, one must never lose sight of the deteriorating condition of the nation’s infrastructure, the appalling condition of the Educational system, and the never ending shameful corruption riddled politicians not only in the various state capitals (particularly those in the North/Northeast of the nation) but especially in Brasilia! If only there could be a slight decrease in the shameful corrupt behavior of our Senators, we might have a shiver of hope

This topic is forbidden to be discussed and hence I would rather accept it as our way of life, grin and bear with.Those who fought against it are dead,retired or became shoe salespersons.

Perhaps if these shameful socialists from PT were not compelled to keep their secret pact with the Neo-Leninist Venezuelan dictator (the monster Hugo Chavez) than perhaps Brazil could attempt to recover control over its major metropolitan areas, primarily Rio de Janeiro, in order to be poised to secure better living conditions

It didn't start with the "shameful socialists", but much before that. I dont think the between 1985 and 2002, the rulers were "socialists"!!

You are a real anti-Brazil you Pompous ass.

No, he is not. Speaking for the "voiceless" middle class, though he tends to be "jingoistic" at times.

I think ASP is better informed about the FARC, the "Socalists" and SP forum much better than even I am. There used to be a commentator using the alias "A Brazilian" and he could write stories about them.

the surrender of OUR country’s currency to the People’s Republic of China with a so-called “New Asian Currency, have the audacity to accuse me as a traitor, hypocritically and/or idiotically unaware that their very cause would represent the greatest of all BETRAYALS to Brazil, should their promoted cause ever succeed!

My objection to the "China Trade" is because we have become the exporters of raw-materials and importers of finished goods , thus wiping out our Industrial base.But after thinking clearly and profoundly, I came to the conclusion that it is very profitable for a few groups of people, including Wall Mart do Brasil. So it is futile to question the wisdom of the law makers in both houses of congress as well as our executive branch. The biggest beneficiaries of this "Industrial Policy" are the poor people who can buy inexpensive goods imported from PRC in 12-60 monthly installments. So our "Rulers" know what is good for the people. The last politician who questioned this policy lost his bid to become the President and it is quite likely he would be buried politically next year.

BTW, I like Chinese cuisine, as long as it is made out of ingredients grown in Brasil. But if importing of frozen food products from PRC brings profits to important people, I might buy them in 12 monthly installments to cut down my personal expenses. Though, I am still refraining from buying the Garlic, as a protest, BUT....BUT...., "Nationalism" has its limits.

Yesss and increase your paved roads from 5 to 6 %.
That would already need tens of billions dollars.
And some more to maintain them.
Many of your "actual paved roads" are paved yesss but filled with millions of pot holes.
Some as big as private swimming pools.
These partially Paved Roads should become Whole Paved Roads...not only Partially !

And that would still leave you wayyyy behind NEARLY ALL EMERGING NATIONS ON EARTH. Including Haiti, the Western Hemisphere Poorest Country.
Including most africans nations...if you would look at the countries stats !
Check by yourself if you dont trust me.

Stats not done by me the bad mouth. Sorry for you ! I am just a cartesian.

And if Brazil would also reduce their social and wealth inequality that would put you finally to the earliest part of the 20th century, not the 21st yet !

why dont you then return once and for all to your beloved and paradisiac country ?

The future is there. IN BRAZIL !
You dont stop repeating it time and again.
Where you reside actually is the past....you dont stop repeating it time and again !

Cant you see your own PERPETUAL AND PERMANENT CONTRADICTIONS ?????
Of course NOT.
How idiots like you could....by definition ?
Otherwise you would not be idiot.....by definition ?

And say the same to the million or so of ILLEGALS BRAZILIANS in the USA. Their future is not in the USA. Brazil is !
Same to the million or so of Illegals brazilians in the EU.

BACK HOME TO BRAZIL.... THE WORLD STRONGEST EMERGING NATION....as the ads states in this site !
I would not be surprised you are one way or the other linked to that ads !

1) I know how idiot I am but....but....but
I wish a brazilian tells me what is WRITTEN in your flag !
Somewhat funny that such a statement was written, believe it or not,
by an ex Minister of Education !

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !

And all brazilians poors (and not so poors too) know very well the colors in the brazilian flag.
They even have head caps and T-shirts with the same colors !
And they wear them daily....to show their brazilian pride.

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS...LAUGHS !


2) And....and....will the Olympic Opening Ceremony be FREE for brazilians POORS....literate or not ?

Hmmmmm typically Brazilian style FULL OF LIES...until proven otherwise !

I cant stop.....

Fact being that 99 % of Brazilians or more....will just watch the Games...in the TV !
Yessss because 1 % equals to 2 millions brazilians.
Doubtful that much more than that, give or take some, will be able to enter your various stadiums during the Games !
Plus whatever number of foreigners, of course.

No doubt that the tickets prices will be exhorbitant for even the middle income brazilians.
And out of reach for 80 % or more of brazilians !

Believing otherwise....and dumbass you are !

Thus when so many idiots in this site said a few weeks ago something like
"how happy the Rio poors kids will be to GO to the Rio Games" just prove how idiots they deeply are !

No doubt that a few thousands will be eventually invited free by your filthy governments.....to show "how much" they care !
A few thousands out of how many...in your own estimates ????????


Hmmmmmmmm !


Come on. Wake up to the reality !
The World Cup or the Olympic Summer or Winter games....ARE NOT FOR
POORS....LITERATE OR NOT !
Be the games/world cup in China, South Korea, or..... USA, Canada, Australia, France etc etc or....RIO !

Sorry for you all tens and tens millions POORS BRAZILIANS....Kids or Adults !
Once more you will have the smell not the meat !
But start saving and saving...so that you could afford a newer and larger TV for 2014 and 2016.
Otherwise you will be charged VERY HIGH RATES if you pay by installments.
No doubt you will be taken for a ride....as usual.

The reality of things are..

Brazil is on the rise.. Only a few delusional people like Ch.C, Forrest, I guess Augustus.. Can't see it..

YOU CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY IN A MOMENT, YOU HAVE TO FIRST RECOGNIZE YOUR PROBLEMS, AND MOVE IN WAYS TOWARDS FIXING IT..

Perhaps Brazil is a greatest example of this during the 21st Century..

CH.C.. The REAL numbers don't lie... THUS..

WE deserve the honor to host the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics..

Really the most prolific nation this century Brazil leads Latin America and is working on leading the world by example.

The truth of the matter is the reason Brazil is so behind in Education, Infrastructure, inequality, and socially is because of their government and politicians, it has been since the beginning of its time.

The Brazilian citizens have to demand more from their government, they have to make sure the politicians deliver on their promises, and if they don't.. THE NEXT ONE WILL, BY ALL MEANS.

The infrastructural Projects need to be finished, and maintained in order for the social revolution to occur, nationwide security needs to improve as well and this probably means better pay for those who work for the benefit of the public.

Leo Bonneville

As (also) a Brazilian citizen, I cannot be blinded by the huge unbalance in the income distribution, the paucity of the infra-structure, the enroumous levels of corruption of our policitians - not to mention the PT's UNACCEPTABLE alliance with HUGO CHAVEZ dictarial oppression of Venezuela (and its impace on Brazil's crime through FARC) along with the poor educational system.
Yes, Brazil is on the rise, but in EXTREMELY uneven fashion, in a way that it will eventually become unsustainable! I love our country but would like to see JUSTICE, HONESTY, and LIBERTY to prevail!!!

Yes, Brazil is on the rise, but in EXTREMELY uneven fashion, in a way that it will eventually become unsustainable! I love our country but would like to see JUSTICE, HONESTY, and LIBERTY to prevail!!!

I salute you for making this statement. You have said many times that you come from an affluent family and it is very rare to find people from that segment of the society that have such a noble attitude. Noblesse Oblesse ? Excuse my French which is getting rusty. If you don't understand my French, I am sure ch.c will be delighted to do a free translation.

but you dont understand US

brazil is on the rise but it is an uneven rise and will always be until
education , justice ,prevale to all people of brazil and the gringoes also .

what you stated is waht all of us have been saying for years you are tail end charlie.

but look to coulmbia way ahead of brazil in most all you have said even having the worst rep of any country in SA .

they have a very good president and aim to keep him he has transformed the country to a place where thousands of gringoes go instead of mexico and brazil .


rember the mott of brazil then remember if brazil screws up the world cup and the O games who will they blame it on ?????????????

the rest of the world or the poor .

what i can say is that i watch very closely reality reports on tv and information on jornals.and over a long period of time an obvious story starts apearing....

i dont want to base my opinion on emotion but pure fact ive seen

when i criticise the farc, the biggest intention i have is to just point out the hypocracy of blaming the usa on problems in south america when farc is obviously a real problem in south america and for brazil...

i dont have any agenda for wanting brazil to invade colombia or venezuela to go after them...i just want people to be aware of the scum they are and how they are definitly linced to huge drug gangs in brazils largest cities and that affects the daily lives of the people there as we see in the news every day it seems now...

it even sweeps down to us with the never ending reports of crack cocaine in our area.man there seem to be a lot of people who smoke crack where we live. any one who thinks this is only a usa problem is crazy

tail end charlie.

Hey Forrest, wasn't it the term used for the Tail gunners of the bombers in WW 2? Mah English is getting rusty too

Modesty has always been one of your unsung virtues, Dude. But I don't expect you to know everything as you are a "recent" immigrant in this country.

what is sp?

SP is São Paulo. BUT...BUT... I was referring to "Foro de São Paulo", where the next guest speaker is likely to be our good buddy Dr.Lloyd Cata.

On a serious note, please google the name and you will find plenty of info that will coincide with your astute analysis.

If there never were a Chavez, nor a FARC, nor an Evo, nor even a Castro, the amount of so-called LIBERTY, JUSTICE AND HONESTY in Central and South America would not be increased one iota.

Why were those who with their phony emotionalism about LIBERTY JUSTICE AND HONESTY so silent when LIBERTY JUSTCICE AND HONESTY were being trampled in Peru and Bolivia (by the white elites in the south) and in Venezuela (by the white elites who dominated the oil industry) and enriched themselves while Caracas became one of the poorest and most violent city in South America, with the right-wing controlled military sweeping and beating street vendors trying to make a living.

Where were the cries for LIBERTY JUSTICE AND HONESTY?

Where were the cries when the oil revenue was spread around 20% of the population and 80% of Venezuela wallowed in poverty with a government as corrupt (if that's possible) than Brazil's.

Or the blacks and indians of Colombia were being driven off of their land and pushed into favelas to make way for more right wing farmers to sell coffee to America.

Was that LIBERTY?

Look, be angry because you PERSONALLY don't like Chavez. Or personally don't like Castro. Or because you are AGAINST Socialism...PERSONALLY!

That's understandable.

There are alternatives to socialism BUT I would suggest that those alternatives are NOT represented in the hypocritical rantings displayed above who seem confused as to how to identify the ROOT causes of oppression and misery in Central and South America.

(hint: Chavez and Evo had nothing to do with it)

Please don't lay claim to an anger based upon your "LOVE" for LIBERTY JUSTICE AND HONESTY.

Hypocrisy!!!

As Brazilians say, "que nojo!"

I could not care less what happens in Bolivia or Peru or Venezuela! As long as they do not come with Socialist demagogy (which I know quite well - FULLY VERSED IN THE INS/OUTS OF THE SOVIET POLITICAL SYSTEM, I'm aware that THIS is not the solution for Latin America, which undoubtedly has always been abused by the elites - THAT I shall never dispute. Yet, I shall never accept totalitarianism as the answer

Regarding your personal attack: P*SS OFF! GO TO HELL!
o que vem de baixo nao me atinge!!!!!
Just go to Caracas/Havana/Minsk/Teheran (or to AGAIN to HELL, not asking me IF I CARE) and kiss the totalitarian tyrants' behind! Otherwise I would like to see how far you would go with YOUR hypocrite comments

Please also note that I could not POSSIBLY care if ANY of you, who oppose my views, may think of me. Likewise, your Weltanschauung (worldview) is not of my interest, regardless of whatever little education ANY of you THINK you might have had!

I have enough understanding, education and exposure to various parts of the world to fully back up my positions and/or opinions and do NOT absolutely require the approval (let alone the sordid consent) of any LEFT-WING "KNOW-IT-ALL” DEMAGOGUES /SCHOLARs/SELF-APPOINTED MR/MISS RIGHTEOUS!

Living the sheltered life of affluence.

I am amazed how much some Brasilians claim to know about their country much less the rest of Latin America. It is always easier for some to paint black and white pictures because pictures of colour render them blind.

In fact, why bother with color?
Let's talk about bread...
In this connection, I would rather borrow the expert views of a long gone princess:
If "they" do not have IT in Bolivia, Peru, or Venezuela, why don't they try Brioches, Tarts or perhaps some chocolate cakes, which are for more appetizing!
HIT ME!
Go on! Let’s endeavor to determine whether any of you (LOW-LIVES) can reach me…
I shall be waiting… Impatiently![/

Perhaps you need to calm down.

It's okay that you don't need our 'affirmation', neither did Trujillo, nor Duvalier, nor Pinochet, nor Hitler, nor Batista.

And, all of them, without a base in LIBERTY, HONESTY AND JUSTICE, echo the same rabid, emotional based, and personal based hatred of communism and socialism.

And unless you show that the basis of your vitriol is not THEIR evil but EVIL, wherever it rears its head, then why should we not think that you are as they. Nearly every word you have written so far on this thread and others could have been spoken by any of them. Including the unfettered ARROGANCE that YOU are high and others are LOW.

What elitist bulls**t arrogance! Something that, in my experience, in non-socialist contexts has led to the same millions of slaughtered souls that you imply can only be caused by the 'monsters' or whatever emotional pet terminology escapes your lips.

And yes!...until you show some consistency in being against all evil then why should we not consider you just as much an ENEMY of HONESTY, JUSTICE AND LIBERTY since you seem so reluctant to acknowledge its assault in arenas outside of socialism.

And please, don't use German words when the socialism experiment in Europe and Germany, AS APPLIED, is nearly equal to Venezuela.

Ch.c: why don’t you then return once and for all to your beloved and paradisiac country?


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Ricardo: Under the right circumstances I would be glad to return to Brazil tomorrow.


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Ch.c: The future is there. IN BRAZIL!
You don’t stop repeating it time and again.
Where you reside actually is the past....


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Ricardo: Finally you said something that I agree with you.

Now regarding Switzerland – what you guys are going to do in Switzerland now that the main source of income for your country – illegal money laundering is becoming a major problem around the world?


“UBS To Rat Out Thousands Of Swiss Account Holders”
http://www.businessinsider.com...ers-2009-8

The U.S. and Swiss governments and Swiss bank UBS AG have settled a long-running tax-evasion lawsuit. Though details of the settlement were not made public, the expectation is that the bank will hand over to the IRS the names of thousands of Swiss bank account holders.

The bank is relieved for the suit to be almost over (settlement papers are awaiting signatures), especially since it was closely related to a criminal inquiry that resulted in UBS paying $780 million and turning over 250 client names in order to avoid prosecution for helping clients evade taxes.

… “Underlying that stipulation will be a broad agreement between the United States and the Swiss government that could affect all U.S. taxpayers who kept money in Swiss banks,” said Skarlatos of Kostelanetz & Fink LLP in New York. The firm’s clients include some UBS account holders.

The U.S. sued UBS for the account data on Feb. 19, a day after the bank admitted that its Swiss private bankers helped wealthy Americans evade U.S. taxes from 2000 to 2007. It admitted setting up sham offshore companies in havens like the British Virgin Islands, Hong Kong and Panama.


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The crooks and criminals of the world can’t trust even the Swiss banking mafia anymore.


LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !


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“Mafia targets Switzerland for business”
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/fr...true&ty=st

Despite the global economic downturn, business is booming for the Italian Mafia, with an estimated annual revenue of around €90 billion (SFr138 billion).

Italian anti-Mafia prosecutor Agostino Abate tells swissinfo that Switzerland has increasingly become a target of criminal organisations.

A report released last year by the Confesercenti – one of Italy's major business associations – asserted that through activities such as extortion, usury, contraband, robberies, gambling and internet piracy, organised-crime syndicates accounted for seven per cent of Italy's gross domestic product.

swissinfo: Why would Switzerland be attractive to the Mafia or organised crime in general?

Agostino Abate: Traditionally Switzerland has always played an important role. First of all it gives organised crime access to contacts in other parts of the world, allowing its members to escape surveillance by the Italian police. And then it can launder, hide and reinvest its money.

Unfortunately Switzerland has become even more attractive over the past few years. Mafia-like groups are now moving in and developing criminal activities. It starts with investments in perfectly legal businesses and slowly develops into activities such as drug trafficking or prostitution for example. This is not guesswork; this is factual information concerning Switzerland…


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Switzerland’s Bread and Butter = money laundering activities related among other things to extortion, usury, contraband, robberies, gambling, internet piracy, drug trafficking and prostitution.


Switzerland main source of income is based on pure sewage that is carried on in banking sewers system.

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !


Other than that Switzerland is also well known for making: RICOLLA.

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !

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Augustus Resume - Part 2


Augustus you wrote the following: “I have enough understanding, education and exposure to various parts of the world to fully back up my positions and/or opinions…

But you forgot to complete your resume as follows:

I know I am a dinosaur who has a mindset frozen on the past.

The Soviet Union and the commies in South America are going to get me, and I am so afraid of them.

The story of my life: When I hear the name Fidel Castro I start getting very nervous, when I hear the name Che Guevara I start sweating profusely, and when I hear the name Hugo Chavez then “I piss all over myself” when I am hiding under my bed.

I am so scared of him – he is a real boogieman.

Please also note that I could not POSSIBLY care if ANY of you, who oppose my views, may think of me. I know I am a POMPOUS ASS.

Likewise, your Weltanschauung (worldview) is not of my interest, since I am narrow minded, and I stopped using my brain a long time ago.

And do NOT absolutely require the approval of people such as Brazilian president Lula, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, and Hugo Chavez.

And I could not care less what happens in Bolivia or Peru or Venezuela and in Brazil….

Today I am 100 percent American citizen, and I don’t give a rats ass about these underdeveloped countries such as Brazil – Yes, I am anti-Brazil – and I feel so superior than these poor uneducated Brazilians, I am so superior in my way of thinking, and I am so well educated, and I am also so full of s**t that I don’t know why I mix my superior wisdom with this gentinha with their little education and LEFT-WING "KNOW-IT-ALL” DEMAGOGUES comments on this website.

Above all I am so proud of being a real POMPOUS ASS.


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Augustus Resume - Part 3

I forgot to list on my resume that I am also very neurotic, maybe that might be the result of my very, very, very superior education.

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Augustus: In fact, why bother with color?
Let's talk about bread...
Regarding the countries of South America in general, I would rather borrow the expert views of a long gone princess:

Marie Antoinette: "If they have no bread, let them eat cake!"

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the poverty dynamic in south america is something that was created centuries ago,the people before chavez couldnt deal with it and neither can chavez. since he has been in office, caracas still is one of the most dangerous cities in the world. he is doing really nothing to get at the real roots at how to eradicate these problems, at the same time giving billions away to spread his bolivian revolution.

you refer to these situations in peru and bolivia, but,i find them as basic generalisations on your part. the bolivia situation is complex and cant be just written off as the elite whites hurting the poor. there is something to be addressed there about the injustice to the native people over the centuries, but, neo marxist mandates coming from morales are only going to exasperate the tensions more. and , it just kind of makes me wonder what is your agenda at this point, since i also see you basicly defending mst also?

or mentioning battista. education and thousands of doctors means nothing if you are getting in line for your ration card or the shelves in the supermarket dont have anything and you have the fingers of the totalian dictatorship up your ass, and, havent you heard? the prostitution from batistas era,one of the big arguments how bad battista was, that castro suposedly eradicated is running rampant in their tourist hotels

the real big hypocracy is that people like chavez and castro and their ilk are always promising to change their lives while blaming the usa for everything and the elite rich also , and the people's lives are worse than ever

but , to dismiss chavez as not relevant to a dynamic that is setting in place in all south america , much larger than the venezuela dynamic , is either very naive or hiding a personal agenda

if you are going to go blind to the support chavez has given to farc, seriously meddling with another countries sovernty ,then your perception of the truth is distorted by hiding behind the cries of "oh the poor , the poor, the exploited masses, look what they have done in the past, how can you blame chavez or fidel ..." or "how can you blame chavez when the usa has invaded iraq and south america and controlled all the little dictatorships in south america only protecting the rich in the cold war..." (not that that is your position , it is the general argument you hear , though)

if you are going to not include in your analisation of the brazilian dynamic , the contribution of farc and chavez to the narco terrorism that is an endemnic disease in brazil now , your arguments sound hollow and devoid of facing reality and truth as it goes down before our very eyes. my god , do you see the daily reports of cocaine crack busts in brazil...for sure in my area, there were three on the news today where i live...for sure a portion of this coke crack is coming directly from farc...and chavez has called them heroes and freedom fighters...something moan chumpski also called them while writing a huge paper about colombia and the american military industrial complex,while devoting one paragraph to farc and calling them freedom fighters...just like chavez....that is bulls**t

im very interested in your point of veiw on these points.id like to know where you are coming from...

i can tell you right now, i am concerned about poverty and social injustice.i am concerned about the disparity of wealth between the hyper rich and the poor and how their greed is reckless and destructive

i can list things about american policies that i hate and am ashamed of, but, i also see the dirty other side.and it is much dirtiar , whether its marxist dreck or fundimental islamic crud or national socialism from germany

i consider myself aware of these poverty dynamics and am quite concerned about curing them, but no way in hell do i see that as a reason to defend chavez or people hiding behind the neo marxist dogma to gain their own power to just keep the people as poor as ever...

so id like to know where you are coming from? i respect other posts you have made but you are coming up short these days in your points of veiw on these matters

Although Mr. Amaral enjoys his repetitive assertion that others are “pompous-asses” reflect, above-all, his immense arrogance in all aspects.

= He supports controversial senators, extensively accused by the Brazilian media of various acts of corruption

= He defends policies, such as the New Asian Currency, which would benefit China and enslave Brazil, and at best would simply transfer our country’s traditional patterns of economic DEPENDENCY from the Washington (which at least has been a historical freedom-loving Imperial Power) toward Beijing (whose one party regime, which crashes its own citizen’s in the streets, should they rally for freedom of speech, promises to be an implacable domineering partner, with the horrific baggage of a Maoist past)

= Although occasionally capable of proving the knowledge of history (bravo! He got my “Marie Antoinette” analogy – any 4th grade student would), he insists upon a questionable Historical Principles – such as the so-called “Andrada Doctrine” which no other document outside his endless piles of paper seem to make reference – based/ copied from the Monroe Doctrine – representing YET ANOTHER attempt to offend his American hosts, whom he systematically disrespect during daily virulent attacks, thereby displaying his lack of the most basic principles of Honor and Respect)

= Speaking of his disrespect to the United States, where he has been living for decades, while waiting for an opportunistic post to be offered to him by one of his CORRUCPT “god fathers” who have clearly failed to find a post where he could be manipulated as a proper PEON – at which point he would make a “Grandiose” arrival in Brasilia and/or Sao Paulo.

= As already mentioned from ch-c, Mr. Amaral’s hatred for the United States, which has provided him with a home, an educational system (far superior to our country), still Cynically remains here! But of course, he is still awaiting for his Corrupt God-Fathers (long promise) benefits, until which time, why should he bother leaving behind the comfort provided by those who represent the daily target of his political VENNON.

Quite frankly, I’m aware of some arrogant aspects of my personality, for I am not a Hypocrite and I admit my faults, resulting from my never dismissed, and proudly acknowledged family background. Yes, in addition to a proud Brazilian I’m also a proud American citizen, and unlike Ricardo – who is a close Arrogant, ungracious host, and manipulator of FAKE Historical facts, I do NOT cover the Sun Rays with a strainer (Nao tapo o s sol com uma peneira),f or I consider it constructive to acknowledge the faults of our country, hoping that the necessary corrective devices might emerge in Brasilia Resulting from my well-intended criticisms. As for being a DINOSSAUR, not only I have clearly deducted (based on Mr. Amaral’s history, that I must be actually younger than he is, BECAUSE I’m fully aware of the fact that HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, and because I do read and accord the due importance to the Socialist Jargon provided by the Venezuelan-Cuban Bolivarian “disguise” for the traditional Marxist-Leninist philosophy, I do not hesitate to warn Brazil and its neighbors of the clear dangers posed by the ominous intentions plotted by the Venezuelan dictator.

I would further suggest to Mr. Amaral to have the DECENCY to leave MY SECOND country which he offends on a daily basis, and return immediately to Brazil where he might HONESTLY work hard to secure a position to himself without the need to be appointed by one of the CORRUPT DINOSSAURS, whose “behind” he systematically, pompously kiss in order to secure political favors!

You are correct, I am an Arrogant, privileged Brazilian who had the opportunity to secure a highly rich education, but truthfully believe and HOPE for LIBERTY, HONESTY AND JUSTICE to emerge, on day, in Brazil, which is my native country that I love. In addition, while I'm an opponent of the shackles of LEFT-WING tyranny, I equally oppose RIGHT-WING OPPRESSION, RACISM, INTOLERANCE and PARTICULARLY their REDICULOUS adherence to PRIMITIVE RELIGIOUS hateful tenets (of which ever persuasion)

Yet, quite frankly, I do not feel obliged to prove it either to you or to any other opponent, since I’m not running for any office and, therefore, I’m neither expected, required, or morally compelled to provided any justification whatsoever of what I man or may not believe. Likewise, because I have always greatly admired, respected and loved Western Civilization culture – which originated in a BELOVED EUROPE (the cultural mother of both of my countries USA & Brazil), why should I refrain from utilizing words and/or expressions borrowed from ANY of its RICH languages – such as German or French, in the same way I utilized my standard languages: English & Portuguese? SURELY NOT because any opponent might otherwise object…
Parce qu’il sera toujours un grand plaisir d’avoir l’occasion d’utiliser la langue française
Als es immer ein grosses Vergnügen sein werden, auf Deutsch zu schreiben

all the best to brazil! =)

What elitist bulls**t arrogance!

Please define the term "elite".

Augustus: Although Mr. Amaral enjoys his repetitive assertion that others are “pompous-asses” reflect, above-all, his immense arrogance in all aspects.


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Ricardo: There are no others “Pompous Asses” on this forum.

There is only one “Pompous Ass” on this forum who thinks that he has a very superior education than everybody else on this forum. His name is “Augustus the Pompous Ass”.

As I mentioned before a “Pompous Ass” is not a term that I use on my vocabulary that is a term that reflect the thinking of other members on this forum. The term that I would use myself to refer to you would be: he is a real “a*****e.”


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Augustus: He supports controversial senators, extensively accused by the Brazilian media of various acts of corruption.


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Ricardo: Yes, I know former president Jose Sarney since 1986 – and so what?

If nepotism were a crime most politicians from around the world would be in jail.

In France the president’s son has a very powerful job, and the kid is only 23-years old.

Do you think the kid got that job because of his extraordinary abilities?

Please wake up and smell the roses.

By the way, Senador Jose Sarney still is the president of the Senate in Brazil.

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Augustus: He defends policies, such as the New Asian Currency, which would benefit China and enslave Brazil, and at best would simply transfer our country’s traditional patterns of economic DEPENDENCY from the Washington (which at least has been a historical freedom-loving Imperial Power) toward Beijing…


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Ricardo: Augustus the above statements show that you don’t have a clue about what you are talking about.

First, you don’t understand the difference between the current Chinese currency – the yuan – and my proposal for the “New Asian Currency.”

It is the same as if someone could not grasp the difference between the old German Mark and the euro.

In Augustus’ way of thinking all the countries that have adopted the euro also became slaves of Germany.

Second, you said: “and at best would simply transfer our country’s traditional patterns of economic DEPENDENCY from the Washington (which at least has been a historical freedom-loving Imperial Power) toward Beijing”

I guess you don’t have a clue that China is already the master of Washington, and that without the Chinese money the US economy would go to hell in a hand basket. China has been keeping the US economy afloat for many years.

Today the Chinese are holding more US dollar assets than the entire GDP of Brazil.

China's foreign exchange reserves it has jumped another US$ 318 billion dollars in the last six months for a total of $ 2, 270 billion dollars.

And today it is estimated that about 70 percent of China's total foreign exchange reserves is invested in Confetti. (US dollars)

In the last 37 years we have been first in the “US dollar standard” for a while then the system evolved into the current “Confetti standard” or wherever name you prefer to call the current international monetary system.

When you have an international monetary system based on Confetti – the international monetary system is ready for a massive international monetary crisis and for a Confetti meltdown.

Keep in mind that over 70 percent of the Confetti (US dollars) ever created by the US government is flying today around the world completely outside of the power and influence of the US government; including the US treasury and the Federal Reserve.


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Augustus: (whose one party regime, which crashes its own citizen’s in the streets, should they rally for freedom of speech, promises to be an implacable domineering partner, with the horrific baggage of a Maoist past)


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Ricardo: Augustus doesn’t have a clue about the transformation that has been happening in China in the last 30 years.

No surprise here, since his mindset has been frozen in a world long gone – he is just a dinosaur.

In Augustus mind China represents Mao Tse Tung and the one billion bad commies that are coming to get you.

Regarding Augustus bulls**t about freedom: The United States with a population of about 307 million people it has about the same number of people in prison (about 2.3 million people in prison in the US) than China with a population of 1.3 billion people.


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Augustus: such as the so-called “Andrada Doctrine” which no other document outside his endless piles of paper seem to make reference – based/ copied from the Monroe Doctrine – representing YET ANOTHER attempt to offend his American hosts.


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Ricardo: We already have established that your first country is the United States, and basically you are just a Brazilian basher.

It is disgusting, and turns my stomach people like you.

You are not a Brazilian in any way; you just want to put Brazil don’t on every way you can. And I don’t know what a piece s**t like you is doing here on this web site bashing my country. A country that used to be yours a long time ago, but that today even your sister was happy to take you to the airport and probably say to you get a F…k out of here you snob, pretentious, pompous ass.

If you don’t know Brazilian history it is your problem, and not mine.

You show your ignorance, and your hate for Brazil when you claim and disregard that Brazilian history is just a FAKE Historical facts.

I don’t know why I am wasting my time in answering the garbage that a pretentious, pompous ass post on this forum. Here is an example of your superior knowledge of history, and superior wisdom.

What kind of idiot say something like this: "lazy giant ever since the proclamation of the Republic in 1889"

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !

LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS....LAUGHS !


What an ignorant, pretentious, pompous ass.

And stop pretending that you still a Brazilian.

You are no longer a Brazilian for all practical purposes. And your sister would be happy to not see your face back in Brazil.


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You are not a Brazilian in any way; and you just want to put Brazil down on every way you can.

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Funny that OUR was written in Capital Letter...... by a Brazilian residing in....THE USA.... for Eonssss !
Is he talking about the US$ or the Brl ????

And to ALL brazilians, locals or not :

IS BRAZIL ON THE RISE ?
YESSSSSS....but....but....AFTER 2 (TWO) LOST DECADES !


Right ?

As to the Junkie and Idiot Leo "CH.C.. The REAL numbers don't lie... THUS.. "

Welllll true idiot you better re-read the REAL NUMBERS on Brazil :

- LOWEST LAST 6 years economic growth rate of MERCOSUR
- LOWEST LAST 6 years economic growth rate of BRIC
- One of the LOWEST LAST 6 years economic growth rate of ALL South America, Including most.....ASIAN countries.....African Countries !

And I challenge you to prove wrong !
Better yet, early in 2007 Brazil changed their methodology to improve their economic growth rate.....including retroactively.
BECAUSE SO SHAMEFUL IT WAS !

SORRY FOR YOU.....TRIPLE IDIOT LEO !

You simply dont know what you are talking about !

I cant stop laughing !

Midget Switzerland with a 7,7 millions population EXPORT & IMPORT AS MUCH AS THE WORLD BEST AND MEGA COUNTRY COUNTRY BRAZIL IS......WITH A 200 MILLIONS POPULATION !

Thus the ratio per capita is about 25 to 1...in Brazil DISFAVOR wether you like or not !
This is not banking but TRADE IN GOODS !
Sorry for Youuuuu Quintuple Idiot !
Feel free to double...and double again your exports ! Not an easy task to quadruple exports. Right ? Welll...then the ratio per capita of 6 to 1 will still be in favor of....GUESS WHO !

And Brazil would need another quadruple in exports per capita...TO STILL NOT BEAT US !

WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE the Brazilian per capita EXPORT-IMPORT will grow by 25 times the actual numbers, in your for sure cristal ball ??????


Yessss....Quintuple Idiot Ricardo, when do you believe that Brazil will reach us$ 5 trillion in EXPORTS ??????
(200 millions population X US$ 25'000.- equals US$ 5 trillion)
That is sadly and unfortunately what Brazil needs to export to equal
Switzerland per capita exports !!!!!

Yesss Ricardo the Witch and Bitch : WHEN ?

Waiting anxiously the answer from...... Your For Sure Cristal Ball !

And this is provided WE dont grow at all until then...OF COURSE !


Are you aware.... Idiot Economist Ricardo Amaral...that Thailand EASILY beats Brazil on the Export per Capita...and by a Wide Margin ??


Hmmmmmmm !!!!!!!

Viva Ricola Country !
At least our mouth doesnt smell as bad as Yours.....Ricardo Amaral !
FOR SURE ! WITH SWISS GUARANTEE WORTH A PREMIUM....AS USUAL !

its no surprise to me

there it is, the currant news of the day, right now in front of our eyes

the heavy arms in the recent shootout in rio de janeiro are suspected of coming from the farc

this urban chaos, that is slautering the people, that has everyone tense and uptight , definitly has tentacles that lead the drugs and arms to the farc

anyone who thinks this isnt relevant is in serious denial. any one who thinks that farc and one of its big supporters , hugo fat mouth, isnt important and shoudnt be called on it, are hurting rio , the people and brazil

the hypocracy boggles the mind

A polícia de Mato Grosso acredita que os sete fuzis apreendidos terça-feira à noite, em Primavera do Leste, podem ter saído das Forças Armadas Revolucionárias da Colômbia (Farc). As armas - cinco de calibre 7.62, de poder idêntico ao usado para abater o helicóptero da Polícia Militar no Engenho Novo, no sábado, e duas carabinas .30, todos de uso restrito -estariam a caminho dos morros do Rio de Janeiro.

"É a hipótese mais provável. É o armamento típico usado pelas guerrilhas", disse nesta quarta-feira o delegado Rafael Siteel Fossari. O delegado afirmou que os detalhes que chamam mais atenção são a quantidade de armas encontradas numa única vez, a numeração e o brasão, raspados para apagar identificação e símbolo da corporação a que pertenciam.

Uma pesquisa feita pela própria polícia não encontrou nesta quarta nenhum registro de furto, roubo ou sumiço em nenhuma das corporações brasileiras que poderiam usá-las. Os fuzis belgas 7.62 são utilizados regularmente pelas Forças Armadas ou por grupos revolucionários, por seu poder de fogo. "Os fuzis estavam azeitados e bem cuidados. Quem faz isso conhece armas", afirmou o delegado.

As corporações de segurança só usam esse tipo de armamento em operações especiais. "Toda a Polícia Civil de Mato Grosso tem apenas cinco fuzis", afirmou Fossari.

Há dois meses, em um assalto a banco na mesma região, foi usado armamento parecido, mas a polícia não vê relação com a apreensão. As armas foram apreendidas pela Polícia Rodoviária Federal, em uma fiscalização de rotina na altura do km 286 da BR-070, com o motorista Vanderlei de Souza, 37 anos.

Era a terceira viagem de Souza transportando armas para o Rio. Os fuzis foram apanhados em Ji-Paraná (RO). O rapaz disse que deixaria o carro num posto de combustível conhecido por Ipirangão, a 30 km de Juiz de Fora (MG), no caminho do Rio. Com ele, havia também 1,5 mil cartuchos de munição calibre 7.62 e 450 de .30.

Ao ser abordado pelos policiais, que suspeitaram de tráfico de drogas ao perceber modificações no forro da caminhonete, Souza confessou. "Não é droga. Estou carregando arma", afirmou.

pretty damn interesting

go ahead augustus, rant all you want

yeah, joao, i did google up sao paulo foro

The material that you read proves that you are not paranoiac but factual, doesn't it?

Hi Ricardo,

Yes, I know former president Jose Sarney since 1986 – and so what?

If nepotism were a crime most politicians from around the world would be in jail.

In France the president’s son has a very powerful job, and the kid is only 23-years old.

The nepotism is not a crime, though some important politicians and "real leaders" in our country are trying to bring several laws against it. I doubt whether they will accomplish this "noble" goal. Probably, an ill paid clerk in a government department will be penalized, if he tries to hire his "cunhada" as an office girl to serve "cafezinho" in his office.

Unfortunately, the "nepotism" in this country has come to an extent that qualified and competent managers are being replaced by "politically correct" ones that have "padrinhos". It is happening not only in state owned companies, but also in private enterprises. It is amazing to see such idiots that do not know what cost/benefit analysis, balance sheet, value added products, etc; are. It is indeed tiresome to talk to these people and you better believe me. They do not know what "delegating authority" is, either.

I am aware of Jean Sarko being appointed for an important post. Probably we transferred our expertise on nepotism to him on September 7th of this year, when he graced us with his visit to close the Armaments deal with our government. According to what I read, about 34 visiting French dignitaries including the old Dassault were decorated with a bucketful of medals for their "services" to Brasil! I don't know if Jean Sarko is one of them. Probably, he would be ready in a few months to be Preside one of the Defense Industries that are going to be set up with French "collaboration" in Brasil.

If our noble senators are all excited about our newly found friends Nicolas Sarko and his dynasty, who are the Brasilians to question? I don't think that there are too many protests in France about the "nepotism". Lets not forget that our "code" is "Napoleonic Code" !!!!

I was watching the BBC news this evening and one of the news segments was about Jean Sarkozy.


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“Sarkozy’s Son Ends Effort to Oversee Business District”
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: October 22, 2009
The New York Times

Faced with a growing stink about nepotism, the 23-year-old son of President Nicolas Sarkozy went on national television on Thursday night to announce that he would not seek the presidency of the organization that runs France’s most important business district.

Saying he did not want a “tainted” victory, Jean Sarkozy, a second-year law student and a regional councilor in his father’s old district, Neuilly-sur-Seine, said that he had made the decision after talking with his father, whose popularity, as measured in opinion polls, has suffered from the affair. “I have listened a lot,” he said. “I have thought a lot, and I don’t want a victory tainted by such suspicion.”

The attacks on Jean Sarkozy’s hopes to run ÉPAD, the quasi-governmental agency overseeing development in La Défense, the business district of high-rises on the western edge of Paris where about 150,000 people work, were both gleeful and bitter, with the political opposition talking of nepotism, of “Prince Jean” and the “dauphin,” the king’s heir.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10...rance.html

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look back to columbia the farc killed many politicans .
big business men , kidnapt any one they wanted to .

Brazil did not even prick them so they will make you blead
where it hurts .

and when the world cup and the big O games would be there best chance to hurt brazil .

i dont think farc is up in the favelas running it and i dont think they are going to do anything to brazilian polititions

i dont think they are 100 percent of the drugs and arms trade in rio, but, there is no doubt that they are deeply entangled in drugs and arms deals to these large gangs in rio , sao paulo and the north east.

and i find it strange that anyone with brazils interest at heart, wont take that very seriously , but , get upset or start weaving fairy tales about the american military coming down to colombia . and cant ackowledge that hugo chavez is in with the farc. hell, they just had a notice about arms caught with farc that were proven to come from hugo chavez...

that is the hypocracy that boggles . the american military is coming down to help colombia fight farc. if they are fighing farc, they are helping fight part of the problem in brazils big cities that are totaly out of hand.

i dont want to exagerate , i just want to look at the truth about it, as it comes out in the reports in the news papers and tv as we speak , and over a long period i have been following...

and slowly but surly , people down here are starting to get that....

Ch.c: I can’t stop laughing !

…WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE the Brazilian per capita EXPORT-IMPORT will grow by 25 times the actual numbers, in your for sure crystal ball ??????

Yessss....Quintuple Idiot Ricardo, when do you believe that Brazil will reach us$ 5 trillion in EXPORTS ??????

…Are you aware.... Idiot Economist Ricardo Amaral...that Thailand EASILY beats Brazil on the Export per Capita...and by a Wide Margin ??


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Ricardo: What are you laughing about?

You should cry that Switzerland has a ratio of $0.44 per $1 of GDP 2006.

Brazil has a ratio of $0.13 per $1 of GDP 2006 – and I know that for 2008 the number is down to $0.12 per $1 of GDP.

I want to see that ratio going down for Brazil even further closer to the number for the United States of about $0.08 per $1 of GDP 2006.

I don’t know if you really have grasped what these numbers means since you are so proud that the ratio for Switzerland is $0.44 per $1 of GDP 2006.

I want the Brazilian economy to be as self-sufficient as possible and not depend on very high volume of export, as it is the case with the German, and Chinese economy. When your economy is so dependent on exports what happens in other countries can devastate your economy.

I don’t want to see the Brazilian economy become dependent on exporting a major commodity such as oil, because that would be bad for the Brazilian economy on the long run. I know oil will be a nice source of revenues for Brazil in the coming years, but I want to see a very diversified internal economy in Brazil – and at the same time almost 100 percent self-sufficient.

I want to see the Brazilian economy grow and prosper based on a rising standard of living for all Brazilians, and create a massive middle class in Brazil, and an economy focused on its internal market as much as possible.

The name of the game is to provide the highest standard of living, and quality of life for the largest number of people of the Brazilian population.


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Exports (per $ GDP) (most recent) by country

Rank Countries Amount Date

# 1 Singapore: $2.19 per $1 of GDP 2006
# 4 Hong Kong: $1.67 per $1 of GDP 2006
# 10 Bahrain: $0.86 per $1 of GDP 2005
= 11 United Arab Emirates: $0.79 per $1 of GDP 2005
= 21 Libya: $0.67 per $1 of GDP 2006
# 30 Iraq: $0.60 per $1 of GDP 2003
= 31 Qatar: $0.59 per $1 of GDP 2005
= 37 Kuwait: $0.55 per $1 of GDP 2005
= 43 Saudi Arabia: $0.53 per $1 of GDP 2005
= 59 Switzerland: $0.44 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 70 Germany: $0.39 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 78 Korea, South: $0.37 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 84 China: $0.36 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 97 Canada: $0.32 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 101 Russia: $0.31 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 115 Taiwan: $0.27 per $1 of GDP 2003
= 129 France: $0.22 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 129 Argentina: $0.22 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 138 United Kingdom: $0.19 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 159 India: $0.14 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 159 Japan: $0.14 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 162 Brazil: $0.13 per $1 of GDP 2006
= 179 United States: $0.08 per $1 of GDP 2006

http://www.nationmaster.com/gr...ts-per-gdp


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beleive me, the olympics are going to be fine. the traficars know they have to be cool or they will have the military up their ass...

hell, there was a case where some rio residents were mugged on the highway and they were thrown off the cliff...the traficars kicked the s**t out of the criminals and dumped them off at the police station because they didnt want police coming to look for them...

please get for real people...the next world cup is at south africa. it make brazil look like disney land

@asp - You really need to stop looking to "reporting" in the newspaper as your SOURCE of information about FARC.

If you are serious about understanding a complicated situation and are serious about HONESTY & JUSTICE why not take some time to inform YOURSELF about the situation in Colombian and its effects upon Brazil.

I have great respect for my country - USA - but, as a citizen, know not to swallow every mis-deed done by my country. The United States' initial involvements in Colombia had NOTHING to do with drugs. As they did with many right-wing movements in the 60's and 70's they allied themselves with groups who were responsible for some of the most heinous massacres against populist movements during that time. In Colombia, the people who would later become FARC were the remnants of massacres who fled to the Colombian jungles and founded what everyone acknowledged were Self-Defense groups, protecting themselves against the right-wing governments determined to do what your Brazilian government did, what Pinochet did, what the Argentinians did, what the Guatemalans did, etc.

Why was there no outcry against the drug traffikers during the 80s and 90s (when drugs were taking over Brazil, USA, etc) when it was FARC who was kidnapping disrupting the drug flow causing the drug dealers to unite with the Colombia military to form para-military death squads which were responsible for the most heinous outrages against poor people (mostly black and indians) in the Colombian jungles. They slaughtered an average of 10 people per day, hanging them up by meat hooks...women and children.

In all of your so-called 23 years of "observing" FARC, why isn't this a part of your research?

Every war is dirty. War is dirty. It's evil. It's horrible. The uprising of the French against the Bastille was dirty. America's Civil War was dirty. Bismarck's campaign to unite the German tribes was dirty.

But you need to stop looking at who was the last person to hit somebody and thinking that they were the CAUSE of the problems.

It is to the United States interests to label a group as terrorist as a propaganda ploy. But my countries actions against FARC began when they were merely aggrieved citizens of Colombia, legitimately complaining of the miners and ranchers of Colombia who had formed their own private security and were murdering innocent people.

They weren't terrorists then. So that reveals a lie as to the actions against FARC. Among the majority of South American and Central American countries there was NO interest for a society of inclusion.

That has changed little in all of that time.

THAT is the source of your societal problems! That is the source of your favelas. That is the source of your endless army of young men and women with limited choices who choose, out of their severely limited choices, that which is laid before them.

Do you know why the 80s crack epidemic began to wane in America? Because the economy was good. The best cure for crime is fair employment.

Has FARC made errors? Of course. There are errors all around. Within FARC, there is a split.

I would challenge you to show words of Chavez where he supports an armed movement. You can support the goals of FARC and not support their tactics. Those goals are still embedded in many of their projects.

Many FARC's members are the remnants of families decimated by the paramilitaries of Colombia. Emotions have replaced principles.

You guys give lip service to 'wanting to see injustice' eliminated in Brazil. Yet you continue to build an emotional case against victims and not involve yourselves in structural changes in your societies to stem the machine that continues to create victims.

FAVELAS and their misery will continue to exist in Brazil, with or without drugs.

Your esteemed citizens don't care as long as the misery remains within the favela borders.

As long as they continue to supply your shoeshine boys, your maids, your gardeners, your waiters mixing your caipas, your security at your LAPA clubs, your security watching your cars and porteiros watching your apartments and someone to sell you coconut water on hot days and supplying fresh asses for the tourists to buy.

If you are truly interested in a just society then look to the chaos rumbling out of the favelas as a symptom, not the disease itself.

After much reflection, circumspection and recognition, following so much bitterness, anger, and indignities, I decided to go back, deep into the roots, and recognize what truly matters:

Liberdade! Liberdade!
Abre as asas sobre nós!
Das lutas na tempestade
dá que ouçamos tua voz!

Sublime! ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=related

Likewise, my hats of to OLAVO BILAC & FRANCISCO BRAGA

Recebe o afeto que se encerra
Em nosso peito juvenil
Querido simbolo da terra
Da amada terra do Brasil!

Touching! Watch until the very end ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=related

Most importantly, I would like to conclude with the most significant of all thoughts... nearly 200 years old

Brava Gente Brasileira
Longe va’, temor servil;
Ou ficar a Patria livre,
Ou morrer pelo Brasil
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Do Universo entre as Nacoes
Resplance a do Brasil!

The Imperial Link, with my profound respect, admiration, and affection ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=related

I thought most of you, at least the Brazilian bloggers, might consider taking a moment to reflect upon the basics, REGARDLESS of the nature and/or scope of our differences...

Sublime! ==>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9QlNb2Qrug&feature=related

the bogatazo....ever hear of it....its kind of how the cia was invented and fidel castro was down there at that time , running the streets of bogata trying to drum up support for communism...in 1948

you are painting the farc as such innocent angels

the cold war, adrian...it was ugly...it was dirty...the usa played dirty...everyone played dirty

in south america , they were fighting communism....communism, adrian...you know, the ideology that eliminated 20,000,000 in the soviet union...the ideology that in chinas volta no campo communist philosophy, starved 20,000,000...the ideology that in the soviet blocs , there was represion and elimination that rivals world war 2.it failed and is flawed and this is what , trained in china and cuba and the soviet union, armed guerilas were trying to bring into south america...and by the way, less people were killed in all south america in the cold war than in just the soviet elimination process...under 1000 in brazil and as high as 33,000 in argentina where they would fly people out over the ocean and drop them in..and the insurgents killed and kidnapped also, under 700 people in brazil

it is why the military from brazil , who fought side by side with the americans against the national socialists in europe, and shared tents with the americans, cracked down in a brutal way on insurgants in brazil...and this happened all over south america...it was dirty...but the armed guerilas were dirty also, did asasinations, kidnappings ,terrorist bombings etc...and guess what? all the dictators are gone...but the castro brothers still remain, in a totalitarion dictatorship that tells its citizens what they can do and cant, what they can write on the internet what they cant,unlike the freedom you and i have to hash this around....what they can buy and cant and what doctor they have to go to...

the cold war, dirty and brutal, but,communism , especialy the soviet union by way of cuba, was worth fighting...

that is one of the most naive portaits of the farc i have ever seen. you paint them as so innocent, as though they didnt extract war taxes on the community, execute poor people also, kidnap and ruthlessly hold their captives in squalid conditions, and intimidate and kill organisations sent in to help the people ( was just in the miami herald).

and they were charging under the marxist banner, and people who do that become ruthless, justifying their dirty actions based on their flawed ideology , with chavez's help, and if you cant ackowledge the abrolut huge mountain of evidence that proves it way beyond a doubt, you truly are naive or have an agenda

and they are raping brazil, my god , besides all of the above posts i have described very well their connections with the drug gangs, they also kidnapped young kids off the borders of brazil to make them slaves in their camps...i saw this on two seperate tv reports , at differant years, of the parents lamenting it....oh yeah but you dont want to give tv reports or news paper reports any credibility ...how conveniant for your position....

adrian,you sound naive about the over all situation and you are trying to peg me , but, it just doesnt ring with any truth..without being in any way a scholar about it ,i did study the history of what happened in that area...

man, you are coming up short and with your naive paintings of the farc, i wonder where you are coming from sometimes...i suggest you study history a little more, or we can say this, two people can study history and come up with two differant conclusions...i mean you paint them as innocent peacful bystanders trying to mind their own business ...man, the militias started because of their actions, just as the militias in rio started after the drug gangs got out of hand...im starting to think you are in the moan chumpski brigade...by the way, i have always acknowledged the brutality and ruthlessness of the usa in these actions...but everyone was dirty

and i could have used your insights over in the thread about the afirmative action (even though i am handling it very well myself) ...why in gods name are you over here defending the farc or mst on the other thread (they are trying to get a cpi against them in congress , of course the pt is trying to block it, but it sure demonstrates that there are congressment that see them as having done some wrong things...if you accept the judgement of congressmen at all,which i could understand too)?

asp - the same tactics used against MST & FARC were used against the African American civil rights movement. That it was just a communist conspiracy. That was a lie, wasn't it? Some how people don't want to believe that a population can have legitimate grievances. And it was the newspapers and politicians who were pushing these lies.

The racist apartheid government painted the liberation movement in South Africa and the ANC as a communist movement and based their slaughter of freedom-seeking Africans as part of the cold war.

That was a lie. Even though the newspapers and politicians spouted this propaganda.

Are you saying that the way to handle diverging political views in DEMOCRATIC countries is the same as Russia's - to slaughter them - but maybe don't slaughter AS MUCH as the Russian's did?

About that affirmative action thread - there are many instances where I don't believe in spinning my wheels.

The points raised on that thread have already been raised by the same people and I already know the beginning -- the middle -- and the ending of their (mis) arguments.

To take a phrase from an African American poem "grass doesn't argue to prove that it's green."

Besides, you are absolutely right, you have been doing a wonderful job.

i did see a report today as a matter of fact saying the folha was disceminating false information about dilma during the dictatorship...

i want to make it clear , i dont automaticly beleive anything i read in the favor of an argument i want to make...im basing my ideas on many many reports over time , including studying the ideas of the side that i am against, which is where i find the most flaws...and i think you would agree that i have been exposed to this south american dynamic much greater than any average american university student studying south america or living in the states just reading about it (i am american , if i didnt make that clear before)

for example , even this report today had 2 or three people from the people who were fighting against the dictatorship, which i have said was brutal. and they were going into detail about how they were tortured , which is wrong, but , it seems it is in abundance in this world from all sides. and both these people and also from 4 other interveiws i have watched on docus on the government channals of people who fought the dictatorship, they had all trained in cuba, china or the soviet union , for armed insurgency....

they were ready to go out and bomb and kidnap and murder people in the name of their revolution , all of them romanticised by the cuban revolution....what did they expect?

and interesting, they had a guy from "tortura nunca mais...", but i think what they really meant is " tortura estudantes, intelectuaus,e communista guerilas nunca mais...." because torture is rampant right now against the lower class.there is report after report about torture going on right now against mostly poor people of color from the favelas by the police , yet the voices of these tortura nuca mais people is painfully absent from looking after these mostly kids welfare, even though a lot of these kids have made a concience desician to be thugs ...

i am glad you brought up the civil rights movement.the voices saying the whole civil rights movement was communist was coming from the far right and were exagerated to an absurd point ala spiro agnew . but, i dont know if you were alive then,but i was and very in favor of the civil rights movemtne and i do remember this kind of strange infiltration on the far left, of these ideas that just made my head feel funny...the old usa is the root of all evil in the world and all they had done wrong ...

it just didnt feel right,now i realise it was the soviet union propaganda page i see all the time in south america...

these people tried to infiltrate the workers in the states and were violently regected...by the people they ultimitly proposed to represent, but they found a home in the universities and colleges and the violent fringes of the civil rights movement...

and i think the violent elements that were organising in that whole student movement and the civil rights movement ,actualy in the long run , hurt the cause way more than helped it, dying a pathetic death in nyac new york when the sds teamed with some black revolutionaries killed some guards and then got caught....as well as the patti hearst bank robberies...they actualy paved the way for voters to elect some of the most horrible concervatives that only the bush administration rivals in nojo

adrian, the truth is, i have huge areas i know i would agree with you about...you are not really the person i want to argue these points with

but,in a nut shell, sometimes i perceive that you break it down like its just the elite rich against the down trodden poor, what i find more true for me is, there are serious injustices and misdistribution of wealth...most people try to fight these things within the system but there are those fewer individuals who choose the violent way to get justice,and that brings down an authoritarian violent responce in return and in the long run ,hurts the cause... a cause that i am for fighting for in a non violent way

by the way, i am not just against all red flaggers, i respect what lula has dont ( i can hear your groan from here, ch c) i just dont sit well with false propaganda against the usa...but more than willing to condemn the usa if i see things i think are wrong

I thought most of you, at least the Brazilian bloggers, might consider taking a moment to reflect upon the basics, REGARDLESS of the nature and/or scope of our differences...

Thanks for posting the link that is a timely reminder to all the Brasilian bloggers. Even though the non-Portuguese speaking bloggers may not understand the meaning of the words, I am sure they would still appreciate the music.

Cheers

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for the info on Jean Sarko giving up. I didn't know it until I read your comments addressed to me.

Re your comments addressed to ch.c:

I want the Brazilian economy to be as self-sufficient as possible and not depend on very high volume of export, as it is the case with the German, and Chinese economy. When your economy is so dependent on exports what happens in other countries can devastate your economy.

I don’t want to see the Brazilian economy become dependent on exporting a major commodity such as oil, because that would be bad for the Brazilian economy on the long run. I know oil will be a nice source of revenues for Brazil in the coming years, but I want to see a very diversified internal economy in Brazil – and at the same time almost 100 percent self-sufficient.

I want to see the Brazilian economy grow and prosper based on a rising standard of living for all Brazilians, and create a massive middle class in Brazil, and an economy focused on its internal market as much as possible.

The name of the game is to provide the highest standard of living, and quality of life for the largest number of people of the Brazilian population.

Thanks for restoring my faith in the Brasilian (or expat) Technocrats studied here or got their degrees outside! These are the things that what "Cartesians" like ch.c, Augustus, you, me, etc; want!! Nepotism, Cronyism,Populism, Xenophobia, etc; are not going to take us anywhere. New ideas adapted to our reality with broad vision of the future, cost/benefit analysis, allocation of priorities, etc; are going to restore our dignity.

BTW, as you might remember my saying, if 10% of your "Master Plan" is implemented (with or without the Chinese money), still it is a good one!!! We might even convince Comrade ch.c to use his enormous influence among the International bankers to finance good projects for a very low interest rate.

As I liked to tease you, you are good in strategy, but have to improve your tactics.

Just a reminder: Augustus is not a "Pompous Ass". Spent too much time in London Town and his English is too British. BTW, you better access the link he provided.

Paz e cheers. Take care all of you.

ahhh sounds like joao got emotionated after listening to the hinos.....

it is with my deepest regret to have to anounce to you all today that i just saw a headline on tv record anouncing the communist party in china has banned any chinese from going to prostitutes....

are there no limits ? has it come to this ? the chinese communists are more capitalist than the capitalists....but, the long tentacles of the hammer and cycle tendency to want to reach into peoples personal lives and tell them what to do has risen its ugly head once again and as usual ,tries to fit a square peg into a round hole...meddling with the oldest profesion in the world...the nerve

loyld cata would be proud of them....

is it any wonder the marxist ideologies scare the bejesus out of me...i love my freedom, im going out now for a drink at the cabana and fornicate with the most dislumbrante profesional women i can find , and thank god im free with every thrust...

No one under 50 here I reckon? Who else has the time?

Ricardo: I just posted new information on the comments section of my article about the “New Asian Currency”.

“Asian nations look to 'lead world'”
By Danny Kemp (AFP) – 47 minutes ago
Saturday, October 24, 2009
AFP Worldwide News Agency

HUA HIN, Thailand — Asian nations discussed plans at a major summit Saturday to "lead the world" by boosting economic and political cooperation and possibly forming an EU-style community.

http://www.brazzil.com/compone...rency.html

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ahhh sounds like joao got emotionated after listening to the hinos.....

Yes, you can say that!

Here is an interesting article for you to read:

http://www.clubemilitar.com.br...inoras.pdf

Forgot to provide you with a second link:

http://www.clubemilitar.com.br...racia2.pdf

at least just to know there is some balances in the country to the excesses they perpetuate

at the very least, this document refreshes my memory of the murders in pernambuco and other destructive acts that they commited...

god, its not im against land reform by any means, i just dont like the obvious threatening , thugism and ideology bent agendas that flow out from them

there was a petition sighned by a bunch of so called "intellectuals" who want to disuade congress from going ahead with the cpi

its the point of veiw by some groups of these type of so called "intellectuals " ( distinghishing it from the real intellectuals brazil has) that for a long time hasnt been very logical or really relevant to doing what are the real solutions to brazils social problems

talk about the "deixa eles..." philosophy

I pulled up every single group who signed on to the Clube Militar conferencia.

A question for you guys...do these groups represent your 'alternatives' to the social problems in Brasil.

I read nearly every article and also followed the sites of their parceiros. Except for two, I find their rhetoric be equal to those of the right-wing racists of the America South, to the rhetoric of the Nazis that led to the para-military abuses of the Sturmabteilung -- Storm Troopers -- of Germany or Mussolini's brown shirts. Several of these groups have the same crosses that you find on the white nationalist sites.

I question any group who feels that they are the "patriotic" ones. That they are the "true" anything...true Brazilians...true Americans...true Germans.

Interesting how the rhetoric of some of the most vile groups in world history starts off with and shares the same language.

Look...first...to disagree with the basis of nearly everyone of these groups...a society is NOT based upon "ORDEM". Order. It is based upon JUSTICE. Totalitarian societies have order. Radical islamic societies have order.

The apartheid regime in South Africa had order...everyone knew their place.

The British had order in their American colonies.

The basis of the American Revolution was not 'lack of order' but 'taxation without representation'. Injustice. For this, American "terrorists" dumped the British tea into the Atlantic Ocean.

Gentlemen, life is not based upon what you are 'against'...it's what you stand FOR.

"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent".

There is a gnawing misery of excluded people in Brasil who would love to point to some "good men" (or women) in Brasil who are offering and standing behind options to bring justice to them...to include them in Brasil's future.

In all of the years that I've been on Brazzi's site...I could write books on what people are "against" but barely a half page on proposed solutions.

Isn't that tragic?

A question for you guys...do these groups represent your 'alternatives' to the social problems in Brasil.

Honestly no. But at least these groups are questioning the lip service the selfish "selected" and "elected" politicians and their "laranjas" are paying to address the "social problems" in Brasil and the half assed solutions they propose. Some groups outside this list also question the endless debates in both the houses of congress to determine the sex of the angels. Just to cite an example, the author of this article writes endlessly about the need to educate the Brasilians without informing the readers in clear terms that a) he himself is an "educator" who fought the military "dictatorship" and helped the Brasilians to regain the democracy b)there was a strong basic educational system in Brasil (at least in the South) and the hated dictatorship spent money to set up more universities taking into account, various factors so that the country would have competent professionals to manage it c)Oh, the odious dictators took advice from some civilians too and sent many bright students overseas with scholarships paid by the tax payers d)that he did not object when the democracy loving Sorbonne trained scholars encouraged even privatizing the educational system e)after his victorious battle against the monstrous dictators, he was elected as a Governor and then Senator, made a Minister of Education (peak of his career), lasted for a few months an quit. Why did he quit? Nobody among the public at large knows the real reason. Probably he was complaining about the dictators all the time in the cabinet meetings without realizing what his job description was and how to accomplish the goals by his boss (who himself was and still clueless about the meaning of "goals") f) After he quit his post, again he is screaming and yelling about "Education"!

Why I narrated a part of the biography of the writer of this article is to remind you that the rest of our cabinet is also debating the Angels´s sex. So at least there are some groups that question the action ( I would rather say inaction and inertia) and of course you started criticizing them, because they signed the manifesto of the "Clube Militar". If I had just reproduced the text instead of providing link (of the Clube Militar) to our esteemed and erudite friend ASP, your reaction would have been milder with respect to the groups, I am sure.

In all of the years that I've been on Brazzi's site...I could write books on what people are "against" but barely a half page on proposed solutions.

Since you consider the bloggers on this site as whiners and chronic grumblers and write books on this, why don't you write a booklet proposing solutions as well as publishing them here? I would be delighted to read and comment.

Isn't that tragic?

I will wait till I read your article to declare it so.

I am posting below a link to give you some inspiration for your book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUfdAI7u3g

Hope ASP gets to watch the video, as he loves our culture, movies and other nice things Brasil has to offer.

i wanted to say i wasnt sure if they are the answer...and i said they did bring up some facts about mst...and , for better or worse, its a balance to the foro sp

one foro deserves another...

but i dont support the far right either

CHC (chronicle Herpes Carrier) is due to another ENEMA!

since you are going to bring up my tastes in brazilian culture , at least let me show you a slice of some of the culture i love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0QhylHpc0s

she is he greatest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0QhylHpc0s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI5UjzLjqxA

i did think they were far right, adrian

This one of the problems that has been plaguing Latin America for centuries, my friend. The parties are either far right or far left and nobody in the middle. If you recall ch.c discussing the 2 party system in your country, you would have understood that he was meaning that it is almost the same here. Though we are supposed to be a multiparty system of government, unfortunately they are polarized either to the left or right.

I don't know if you remember my telling Ricardo Amaral & Augustus that "our" candidate for 2010 will have one hell of a time in finding a party to sponsor him. Anybody who constantly bashes the military utilizing the of his/her well paid propaganda machine is going to be sponsored by some party and to win the election. In case you didn't know, the "Political Marketing Guru" of PBO, Ben Serf is going to come in too to give a hand!!

Oh, BTW, where is our distinguished Guru Dr.Lloyd Cata? He is yet to contest my statement that even the "leftists" can start long lasting dynasties!!!

CHC (chronicle Herpes Carrier) is due to another ENEMA!

ch.c isn't going to take your bait in this thread, Dr.C. He is a bit confused though.

its one big political try to get votes and colaborations fest and do things and say things to prepare for the next election

i thought your points about what the military did during the dictatorshop were interesting...too much is focused on just one aspect of that era...i want total truth to come out about every thing and all sides.i would agree with adrian that any one saying they represent this or that "i represent the poor people.." , "i represent brazilians..." etc , should be watched closely

anyway, im still in shock at the chinese communist party forbidding all chinese to see protitutes.....

democracy sure has its cracks too, joao

What sorts of cracks you are talking about, ASP? The delicious ones?

i thought your points about what the military did during the dictatorshop were interesting...too much is focused on just one aspect of that era...i want total truth to come out about every thing and all sides.i would agree with adrian that any one saying they represent this or that "i represent the poor people.." , "i represent brazilians..." etc , should be watched closely

I am eagerly awaiting Dr.Erik´s reply, before judging if the entire thing is Tragic, Comic or Tragicomic. He seems to be an intellectual, unlike us. But, doesn't matter, neither you nor I would like to put "intellectuals" against "blue collar" workers like my good self.

anyway, im still in shock at the chinese communist party forbidding all chinese to see protitutes.....

This is a challenging assignment for our MRE to solve. I am not worried and nor should you be.

BTW, have you heard from our friend Zé Zelaya?

No Joao. I am quite blue collar. That's why my booklet would be called. "BALLS! DO BRAZILIANS HAVE THEM FOR MORE THAN f**kING!"

You see, contrary to what many believe, Brazil is not some mystical, Tibetan type place which requires throwing cowrie shells to figure out the problems. Greed and bigotry create similar structures around the world. No one needs to know who won carnaval in Rio in 1999 or the difference between frevo and samba to deal with social issues. There are some wonderful Brazilians doing a great job at enunciating the problems and suggesting workable solutions.

But....BALLS!...do Brazilians have them for more than f**king.

That's my working title. (but I do have to be careful....as a guest...I don't want to be deported...do I?)

@asp - I followed your link for Elza Soares but the video she did called Rio, along with Brazilian rapper is much better. That video alone could have won the olympic site for Rio.

By the way, in Cuba, when the Castro regime allowed Europeans to encounter Cuban women for prostitution they were criticized by the Miami whiners, when they cracked down on prostitution and did not allow foreign men with Cuban women alone, they were criticized for violating human rights.

Go figure.

Adrianerik: "All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to remain silent".

There is a gnawing misery of excluded people in Brasil who would love to point to some "good men" (or women) in Brasil who are offering and standing behind options to bring justice to them...to include them in Brasil's future.

In all of the years that I've been on Brazzi's site...I could write books on what people are "against" but barely a half page on proposed solutions.


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Ricardo: I wonder why you said the following: “I could write books on what people are "against" but barely a half page on proposed solutions.”

I guess you have not been reading many of my articles and my comments such as what I just wrote above:

“I want the Brazilian economy to be as self-sufficient as possible and not depend on very high volume of export, as it is the case with the German, and Chinese economy. When your economy is so dependent on exports what happens in other countries can devastate your economy.

I don’t want to see the Brazilian economy become dependent on exporting a major commodity such as oil, because that would be bad for the Brazilian economy on the long run. I know oil will be a nice source of revenues for Brazil in the coming years, but I want to see a very diversified internal economy in Brazil – and at the same time almost 100 percent self-sufficient.

I want to see the Brazilian economy grow and prosper based on a rising standard of living for all Brazilians, and create a massive middle class in Brazil, and an economy focused on its internal market as much as possible.

The name of the game is to provide the highest standard of living, and quality of life for the largest number of people of the Brazilian population.”

And you can check many of my articles at:
http://brazzilnews.blogspot.com/

Many of my articles are about how to develop the Brazilian economy the best way possible and place the foundations to develop Brazil into the greatest country in the world in the 21st century – and that prosperity should include every Brazilian living in Brazil.


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and i asume we will be hearing about zeleya soon, as well as november 4, final judgement on batisti ( maybe the wrong spelling of the italian terrorist seeking refuge in brazil from the italian suthorities ).

adrian, thanks for the tip on another elza soares clip , i may have seen it...she is one of my favorite singers of all time....louis armstrong called her his daughter...."carne negra e carne mais barata no marcado..." is another incredibly devatating social commentaty she made in one of her songs...what a life she had...i read her biography

i must admit,whether one agrees with ricardo amoral or not, he does put forth lots of ideas for solutions, he has as many solutions as ch c has statistics

yeah , adrian, the miami hard line cubans are serious right wingers. you check in with miami herald too ? or at least i can see their opinions a lot in the commentaries over there

yeah, the right wingers would ban prostitution as much as the communist chinese, and loyld cata...

hey forget every body, i would legalise drugs (with lots of regulation and medical control and taxation... at least for sure stop incarcarating and spending huge money on users), it would also put a huge dent in the major slaughter and underworld enormas profits.

legalise prostitution and seriously regulate it , with an emphasis of getting under age girls off the streets , and back up for the women involved to try to ease out of it when they want to

...and crack down on corruption (yeah , right)...

and i mean for the usa and brazil.....it could even be a joint freindly neighbors project not seen since world war 2, to bring our two countries , once again together in a love fest and sing kumbaya

ill be running for office, i just dont know where....

No Joao. I am quite blue collar. That's why my booklet would be called. "BALLS! DO BRAZILIANS HAVE THEM FOR MORE THAN f**kING!"

That is a good title and bound to attract many "Hits" and "comments" in this magazine, Adrian. I am sure that Ricardo, Augustus, ASP, myself, etc; would like to hear your view points.

(but I do have to be careful....as a guest...I don't want to be deported...do I?)

As long as you do not touch upon the personal "social habits" of the leaders in charge like Larry Roether did, I guess you don't have to worry.

final judgement on batisti ( maybe the wrong spelling of the italian terrorist seeking refuge in brazil from the italian suthorities ).

Many Brasilians do not know that the French dumped Batistti on us and made us into clowns. I would be surprised if this guy is extradited to Italy.

i actualy havent formed a definitive opinion on the situation yet.i dont know enough about the in depth close up of what is happening on the ground....i definitly am a spectator in this..and i dont condemn brazil for having him in the embassy...

i dont consider myself a knee jerk reactionary at these political dynamics in south and central america.i dont automaticly condemn left or right agendas. but, when i am very safisfied that i have enough information to make a definite statement on a situation or see blatent hypocracies, i speak up.

the biggest problem with the marxist bull crap is they absolutly leave no room for accepting the usa on any terms. they are diametricly oposed to all capitalism and the usa ( which makes the china thing really wild and bizzarre since they are technicaly communist but are actual capitalists to the hilt now . you sure dont hear them running the marxist dreck against the usa )

however, watching 3 , again, so called "political intellectuals" on an interveiw on tv record today about the honduras situation, i was disapointed to hear the typical cold war stereo types bandied about, and, when asked about chavez, the ridicualas statement that the media is demonising him. jesus, f**k, where was the balance? where was somebody like general lessa there to state his opinion?

they even condemned people who would refer to the "moscow (sp?)" referances,which is strange since they were invoking cold war images themselves , to paint the usa as bad...

when i hear people bring up the constant portrayal of the cold war as the united states as the big villain and then condemn any one who then procedes to express a balanced look at it with referances to kgb spies in brazil military, congress, media and universities and trained guerilas in cuba , china and the soviet union , it boggles my mind with the hypocracy....

about batisti, i think you are right , so ,i am bracing myself to accept that fact....im not going to lose sleep and ruin my beach days, but, i will take strong note about it to answer some future ridiculas statements i am sure to hear about history in south america

Hmmm...by your comments, you must be their supporter. You see, among MSTs primary goals are the reduction of 'cash' crops in Brazil, replacing them by collectives who would concentrate on 'food' crops and make Brazil completely independent of any food imports. (more spinach, broccoli and celery that is not wilted would make me happy).

Like you, MST also wants to reduce exports (and its dependency on external markets) and make the country more independent.

Of course, their tactics might be wrong, but I'm sure that with some big guns (figuratively speaking) behind them and some moderates supporting them they can find better tactics.

How about that? Will you call them?

or feast your eyes on this

Thanks for the link, ASP. I managed to watch it only today. It is indeed great.One thing I noticed was that you called it "Brazilian Culture" and not "Afro-Brazilian culture"!!

BTW, the rain Gods have given us a break, haven't they?

Amaral supports MST?

I am looking forward to his reply too.

BTW, have ya started working on the first chapter of your "Booklet"?

Cheers

"Costa" Rica is back!!!!!!!!!!..must have been downsized for awhile

.i definitly am a spectator in this..and i dont condemn brazil for having him in the embassy...

I am not condemning, but questioning the poor "Command Judgment" exercised by our government to walk right into the trap set by Col.Chavez. Zé Zelaya is a very rich rancher and nobody bothered to ask why he wanted to change the constitution of Honduras to enable him to run for reelection. The good Col successfully amended the constitution of his country which the ""owners" of Patagonia couldn't accomplish in their own country.

As I commented to Adrian, the history of Latin America proves that the "Rulers" are either too far or too left. Honestly I believe that Brasil proved in the 60´s thru mid 80´s that that the largest country in Latin America could be in the middle.

I suggest you connect all the dots,commas,periods,etc; to have a clearer picture for the "real reason" for our unwavering support for that "Caudilho" Zé. BTW, have you ever heard of a country´s embassy being occupied by a "leader" of a second country as campaign HQ in recent times ? Probably, in Iraq by Paul Bremmer.

i am aware of the chavez traces and i am aware how the military threw zeleya out at gunpoint

i just wonder , if zeleya violated the constitution , why they didnt arrest him and have him stand trial and bring the wrong doing out in the open...so i prefer to wait and see what happens before i get too emotionaly commited one way or the other

i just wonder , if zeleya violated the constitution , why they didnt arrest him and have him stand trial and bring the wrong doing out in the open...

Because, they overreacted,my friend. Just go back and read the history of 1922 and 64. Ricardo and Augustus must know what I am talking about!!! Your effort to dig my mouth is laudable, but I aint going to fall into your trap. Talk to some well informed Brasilians over 75 to know exactly what happened in 64. Maybe, your favorite friend Lessa will throw more light on this.

I answered your question about Brazil's Landless Rural Workers' Movement (MST), on the new article following this article at:

http://www.brazzil.com/compone...l#comments

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the houdurn senet thought if they kept him in jail in there country
he would pull just what he is doing at the brazilian embassy .
sturing up his political party ti try to take power once again .
but with help from chaves and lula that is what he is doing know .

if he is so not guilty why does he not come out and stand before the courts .

and you got me all wrong on that one, i do listen to your opinion on that situation with great respect

forrest, well it obviously backfired on them. they ought to just come clean and let the people have a referendum

like i said, im a spectator....i hate the whole chavez thing as much as anyone, at least i hate that he is promising so much bulls**t to his people and coming up so short as an article in here showed they were 74 on some scale of quality of life..

but, i just dont know enough about hondorus to make any emotional commitment at this point...i think ill just watch this one out...hell the chinese banned prostitution, that is something that has me doubling over in nausea and pain enough to make emotional commitments to hondorus a little too out of reach now....i hope lolyd cata is happy

joao, 1922...prestes , right

No, I am talking about an uprising, supported by the Cariocas. In fact there was a 4 part article in this magazine a couple of years ago written by an American Mathematician living in Rio. I think the title was "Brazilian Jihad: Blood on Copacabana" or something like that. Try to google and you will find it. Of course, it didn't receive one single comment (though I might have written one or two). You know I was not born in the 20´s and was too young in 1964!!!

i hope lolyd cata is happy

Lloyd Cata is very happy, because he published a 3 part essay in the sister magazine scolding the Poles, Americans, Brasilians, Swiss and other nationalities. Everybody (except me) thinks he is a Limey and he is LHAO.

gee whiz, he bores me to death

Let me see....Chavez formed a political party, under a democratic system, ran on a ticket against other people and won. Not one person in the world has said that first voting was a fraud. His most controversial ideas are submitted to referendums, one of which he lost, once again through a democratic system of one man, one vote.

Yet, you call him a crook.

Zelaya, the democratically elected president of Honduras, was awakened at his home, in the middle of the morning, placed on an airplane, barely out of his pajamas and told never to come back into HIS country again.

Thousands of his supporters, who voted for him, in a DEMOCRATIC election, rallied for him and they were suppressed by the people who exiled their democratically elected president out of the country.

Even if there were accusations against him, Honduras has no law that says you wake up your democratically elected president and send him out of the country.

Either we rule by law or we rule by power and Machiavellian "ends justify the means".

If that's the case, then everyone apologize to Castro.

I didn't like Bush and think that he was a disaster for the United States but we have a constitution and we have a process for dealing with such things.

Why is there some hesitation in condemning this coup-d-etat.

It's interesting that, in Honduras, as in Venezuela, there is a small group of families that controls the economy, controls the media outlets and lords it over the nearly 75% poor in the country.

Has anyone ever wondered what changes Zelaya wanted to bring to the constitution?

Hmmm...let's see..."include social control; the establishment of a recall mechanism for politicians; actual freedom of the press through equitable access; economic liberty with social responsibility; authentic political liberty resulting in a representative democracy where poiticians are responsible to their electorate instead of their party; more consultation of the populace; and other suggested topics. Notably absent in the flyer was any mention of extending the term of the president."

You know....I've heard the same complaints in Brazil.

I don't see how focusing on personalities (Castro, Chavez, Zelaya) is obscuring the root causes of why people rebel.

It is so easy to say that these are only peasants and they are "stupid" or "uneducated" or "easily led astray". If we believe that, then are we saying that we don't believe in democracy anymore?

That we, enlightened ones, reserve to ourselves, to correct the majority, when they are "led astray"? Whether they want to be corrected or not?

In Europe, men rose when their societies were dominated by the few, when they were oppressed by those who placed greed ahead of people, who developed "principles of humanism" similar to what you hear in many populist movements. Know we we call those men? Great Enlightment Leaders. Yeah, they made mistakes (Robespierre and that bloody reign of terror by the people in France...cutting anybody's head off simply because they dressed well...was no joke) but we don't consider them stupid, uneducated, easily led fools.

Hell, Augustus hails them as his heros.

Why this "double-speak" when it comes to places such as Honduras?

joao, thanks for the linc,i had seen a docu on that and just hadnt set it in my brain. that helps a lot. i would have to do more research to get the sequencing back then. it did intertwine with prestes...fascinating

adrian, gee whiz, im the only one expressing hesitation and i reserve the right to wait to see what will happen

please, all this referance to rebelion , the peoples struggle etc is flawed if you mention chavez as elected and leave out that he was involved in a failed coup himself...

maybe im checking out your arguments also to make my desician, but, ive seen enough input from hondurians themselves on the miami herald to know there is a lot to find out before i just make a snap judgement.no matter what his lofty aspirations of the constitution were , he did it illegaly with tacit support from chavez, something smells as funny as the military putting him out at gunpoint...

i am surprised sometimes , adrian, at your astute analysations how you leave so much out , making an obvious lean to your arguments that sometimes go against the reality i see. chavez is an example. yeah , he got elected, but he is a fat mouth pig. he supports farc, has made blatent marxist lennonist statements, is sending suitcases of cash around in south america to get his agenda over ( something people scream bloody murder about if the usa does it) and is the god son to castro a totalitarion dictator. i dont want him killed , i dont want anyone to invade,i just want people to see what a pig he is...of course,you might be like danny glover, sean penn and oliver stone and like the guy...

you question my referances of things i have seen on media , would you totaly deny beira mar was caugth with farc ? isnt that enough alone to implicate them as raping brazil..or was that all staged by globo

and i dont just fall into cliches like "democracy democracy...for everyone we are all equal...." all countries are not equal, they dont have the same situations...

military dictators overthrowing elected presidents in the cold war in south america was wrong but , castro's communism supported by the soviet union and training south americans to bomb , kill and kidnap in the name of bringing castro style communism to south america was also wrong, and the dictators are no more, but, castro is....doesnt that tell you something ? thank god that style communism never had a chance to take hold in south america

and , now we see these dynamics raise their head once more in south america with a differant style but yet many of the same ideologies underneath on both sides....there is much to try to absorb and digest...

as you have seen, i do speak up about things i have more knowledge of , i am not going to knee jerk about what hondoras should do . i am going to check it out and see what happens

i do hope they kick batistti out , but, i am going to not get upset if they let him stay....i can only imagine you must think that is hunky dory

i am for peoples rights,workers rights, equal distribution of wealth

you seem all to willing to justify confrontation and rebellion by the people if necsasary

i dont beleive in that. i see that these things can be accomplished with out the confrontaional violence and the need to pit all the poor against all the elite rich

great things were accomplished in the last decades in the social movements inspite of the congrontational violence

the confrontational violence has hurt the causes more than helped...it turns people off and sends them in the opisite direction.it has runined many social movements, especialy in south america

i dont even like the confrontational methods of green peace

written by asp, October 27, 2009


i dont even like the confrontational methods...

Maybe because you're not the one being raised in a dirt floor hovel watching his madre, padre, and grandmother being worked to ruin.

Chavez is a man that has worked himself from more humble beginnings to greater heights, than myself or 70% of the U.S. population. Screw that: 99% of the U.S. population (because I doubt more than 1% are being raised in a dirt floor, self-made shelter).

He's not a saint, but he's a great man. The two are not synonymous, and lack of the former does not negate the latter.

yeah, adrian eric, what is your take on this ? the latest report of major drug ring in brazil with ties to farc, and, right on the heels of another major drug bust i brought in here in the amazona and north east with ties to a marxist guerila group hanging in venezuela ( could be the eln, they just massacared a colombia futebal team in venezuela)...farc, eln, they stand for the same hammer and cycle crap,and are raping brazil

yeah, and a great son of a bitch mother f**king hugo chavez is supporting them.....in many ways with much proof...google up "arms weapons hugo chavez farc" "farc chavez" just read and educate

i dont give a f**k if he was raised on a dirt floor....poverty or riches dont make a great man or woman, they come from all walks of life , and if you call him great, there are some massive scoundrals in history that are in the same boat. dont bulls**t me with that crap...

im really getting tired of the people who just wont ackowledge the blatent truth of what the f**k is going on down here in south america and how brazil is seriously affected by marxist guerila groups from colombia......among others.....face reality people...farc are not and never were freedom fighters...they are scum bags who kidnap, terrorise, deal in arms and drugs all over as well as into brazil and rape it...

oh , and, by the way, i hold the drug traficars in brazil and corrupt authorities , who allow this to happen, in brazil responsible for this ...yes, they have personal responsibility for these drug and arms hook ups that are destroying the fabric of brazilian society...

but dont ever play farc or chavez innocent , they are dirty

CIA was involved in everything from rape, kidnapping, to aligning with well known narcotics gangs. Whether they were Albanian, Afghan, or Latino.

Few people in the world can raise themselves out of the depth of poverty that Hugo Chavez has. Period. 70% of the U.S. population over 25 has never obtained a bachelor degree (that includes me). It only takes 51% to constitute a majority. This man is not only a college graduate, but a former Army officer, and a para jumper to boot.

He was also democratically elected in his country, and had previously spent time in prison, in a country with reputedly the most violent prisons in the world. How many U.S. President since Ab Lincoln can claim such a rise from so humble beginnings? How many U.S. Presidents of current time were raised on a dirt floor, attended school in home-made sandals from rubber tires, and listened to the screams of a young man as is gang raped in cell and then stabbed to death?

Chavez is real revolution. And whether or not one agrees with his politics, the man has already achieved the level of greatness and assured his name will be canonized in the tomes of history. We can say that pretty objectively.

This man is not only a college graduate, but a former Army officer, and a para jumper to boot.

He is a graduate of Military Engineering Institute of Venezuela. No different from Vladamir Putin, an ex-KGB officer.Never mind, both of them are brilliant and I aint going to question their IQ.

He was also democratically elected in his country, and had previously spent time in prison, in a country with reputedly the most violent prisons in the world.

Democratically elected, yes. Spent time in prison, NO. Unless you know something we do not know.

How many U.S. President since Ab Lincoln can claim such a rise from so humble beginnings?

U.S. may not have such a president since Ab Lincoln, but Brazil has one. Better than Chavez. Humble beginning, no college degree, worked his ass off in the VW factory, solid union background and democratically elected and reelected. He is the real leader of people without college degrees and not Chavez.

Chavez is real revolution. And whether or not one agrees with his politics, the man has already achieved the level of greatness and assured his name will be canonized in the tomes of history.

Not sure if Chavez is the real revolution or the Brazilian President. However, both are strong contenders for the Nobel Peace prize for 2010. I would place my bet on the Brazilian President.

great men and women have come from all walks of life....

people like elza soares come from the most humble of back grounds and she over came unbeleivable obsticles and gave so much to the world (certainly the in the way i value things in the world). much more valuable than hugo chavez

ray charles and quincy jones come from extraordinary poverty, quincy remembers having to eat rat meat...these people have made immense contributions to humanity

louis armstrong's mother was a prostitute and he was raised in an orphanage....chavez will never be remembered as having made as great a contrubution to humanity as louis is and will be...

how many african leaders have come from similar humble backgrounds

i dont care how you want to twist it in your brain, chavez smells funny to me....he spouts marxist lennonist bullcrap, runs his mouth, i truly am not the only one who thinks he ought to shut the f**k up...

is supporting horrendous dirty scum bags....oh what, you say the usa and the cia do it ? my god we all have nailed thier dirty f**king asses to the wall over and over and over and over and yes, the worst of the lot, reagon, bush, chenny, johnson with traces of kennedy are all scum bags also, so, you are going to give chavez a pass? that is bulls**t hypocracy...

how long has he been in office ? with billions and billions of oil revenue and his country is ranked really low in all aspects of quality of life and dangerous crime...my f**king god if he was a great man he would be making a great differance in the peoples lives by now

not these bandaids to cover cancer....please, dont bulls**t me...

Democratically elected, yes. Spent time in prison, NO. Unless you know something we do not know.

I read a biography of him by a British author, and had to give a presentation and write a report on the book for college class of mine on Latin America.

He spent time in prison for his leading role in a coup that attempted to overthrow the Government of Venezuela.

President Lula certainly is a great figure himself. I have an English composed biography on him as a matter of fact.

not these bandaids to cover cancer....please, dont bulls**t me...

I think the only one bullh*ting you is yourself.

where the f**k are you coming from ?
what, are you in england sitting reading books about what the f**k is going on forming your opinions on that ?

watching oliver stones movie ?

have you been reading the reality of where venezuela is at since this great son of a bitch has taken office ?

have you read the reality how he shuts down his opisition radio and tv stations ?

if he is a great man, make room for george bush and richard nixon

f**k that bulls**t, there are so many more decent incredible people who lifted themselves out of poverty to earn my respect than this fat mouth scum bully....mother f**ker has diaria of the mouth

I don't think that a myopic focus on one personality will ever help anyone understand why Venezuela is what it is.

Chavez is president of Venezuela not because he is a "bulls**tter" or a "monkey" or an "a*****e" or none of the vile names he has been called, especially by the former white elite, who still delight in mocking his indian and black ancestry.

Chavez is president because horrors like Calderon and Perez were presidents before him.

And did nothing to diminish the power of the small white elite who ran the oil companies, the government and the media as their private properties and left Venezuela with its 76 poverty rate in the leading oil producing country in the Western Hemisphere.

Listen, you guys are believing too much what Brazil's inept and minority run news industries are saying about Venezuela.

There were a number of radio stations and newspapers in Venezuela who directly colluded with the oil elite in the coup d'etat against Chavez. This is documented by no less than former president Jimmy Carter who certified Chavez's 2002 and 2006 elections as the FAIREST HE HAS SEEN IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA.

These papers and radios were the ones who called the generals who participated in the coup, who kept them informed of the movements of Chavez's supporters and who broadcast lies supporting the plotters who were carrying out their scheme.

These papers never represented any thing close to "free speech".

Had the New York Times or Washington Post did the same thing, the United States would have been quick to lift their license.

So, stop this nonsense as if "free speech" was under attack in Venezuela. In truth, the radios of Venezuela were a form of Voice America, taking most of their cues directly from the United States rather than being responsible objective journalists in their own country.

Many of the most radical of Chavez's changes failed in Venezuela. Why? Because they still must be submitted to a referendum of the people. Democracy. They rejected a good number of them and that position stands.

Brazil's "democracy" should take a hint.

Chavez is no one to be lifted up on a pedastle...neither is he the incarnation of "international communism" and the Stalinist images folks live to invoke as a fright tactic.

He is not blocking capitalism in Venezuela because the dominant white elite has ensured that capitalism never really existed in that country.

Just like Brazil, a large portion (but not all) of its middle class are not the representatives of the work ethic, meritocracy, entrepreneurial spirit usually found in a thriving (non-monopolistic) capitalist system but are folks whose skin color and kleptocratic system puts them in the right place at the right time.

Chavez is merely a symptom of Venezuela's ills. He won't last. And his departure will have NOTHING to do with the solutions to the problems of the people.

who sais he was elected unfairly ? who said he should be overthrown or assasinated ? or even barred from mercosul ? not me

i dont trust your ascesment of the media. im no dummy , i dont just take anything on the media as fact...what do you think is fair...cmi? they are a peice of s**t.

i watch various differant sources, record, globo,sbt,new york times,21 rede tv terra.com., miami herald, bbc when i had cable and others.you are trying to say they are all with false information about farc, or chavez's dealing with farc ? you dont beleive the information against the computor found in the farc camp set up in equador ? do you beleive the farc camp existed at all ? i saw the rebuttle reports by some british reporter...absolute s**t...do you beleive these alernative media reports ? you did almost mimic moan chumpski saying they were oringialy freedom fighters...bulls**t, commuinist insurgants were never freedom fighter...thier rheteric of they want to help the people is only putting a lace doily over a turd...adrian if you dont see the neo communism rolling in south america you are truly blind...

are you trying to say that all the venezuelan radios and tv stations he closed down were totaly unfair of their ascessment of chavez? that is an extremly generalised statement if you havent been to venezuela...maybe you have...but if not, maybe you are just reading biased information...what coolaid have you been drinking ?

what about secret camera reports from record and globo that showed reporters in caracas supermarkets showing the shelves empty ? were those set up?god its so easy of you to say these news agencies are false and not to be trusted....makes it conveniant for you to not accept facts

how long has chavez been in office ? how many billions has he given away around the world?...and look at what bad shape venezuela is in...he isnt taking care of his people at all. if he was above his predecesors, he would have made dramatic changes , but they arnt there, just drama actions and bandaids, not changes...his changes arnt getting to the real problems...

but , what he is really doing that makes him bad is this support for farc and peddling elections. he is trying to meddle with the sovernty of other countries, something we all scream bloody murder about the usa. again, are you denying the information on the computors in the farc camp in equador ? are you denying the recent reports that heavy weapons sold to venezuela by the swiss with stipulations they werent to be sold to other people were caught in farcs hands? are you denying the reports that the main leader of the farc died in venezuela ? that farc and the eln are easily crossing the borders into venezuela, hiding out and regrouping and dealing heavy drugs and arms in brazil ?

are you denying the fact that he sent huge suitcases of cash around to various countries in south america to help people win elections ?

are you denying all these reports and saying the sources are not to be trusted ?

that is weak on your part adrian...you got to do better than that...and e hamony is saying he is a great man...sorry but i am going to vomit at that...

if he just deals with venezuela, i wouldnt care as much, but, he is meddling all over the place, and with bulls**t...and part of his meddling is directly affecting brazil...if you dont beleive the reports i brought in here that have beyond a doubt shown those things, then you and me got a big disagreement...

he is one fat mouth bulls**tter...you think im the only one saying that "por que voce nao cala, chavez....?"....mmmm sounds familiar?

that is a fact, and dispicable, but maybe dispicable actions taken against a leader doing despicable things also...a leader who staged his own coup by the way...the peoples will prevailed...i dont have anything against that

and i am saying that everything those stations are reporting isnt misinformation...

who sais he was elected unfairly ? who said he should be overthrown or assasinated ? or even barred from mercosul ? not me

asp - unfortunately, it's exactly what you are not saying that is the problem.

You have personalized an issue that is not really about you, it is about complicated social issues far bigger than you.

You have reduced the outrage of an excluded people to a fairy talk comparison of the 'bad guys' versus the "????".

That's the problem. That "????". Who are the good guys?

Are you really truly concerned about 'freedom' and 'liberty'? About placing human beings in a situation where they can have "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? (that's the foundation of the Declaration of Independence of the United States)

Right now, it's late. The Phillies are tied with the Yankees 4-4 in the top of the ninth.

The Philadelphia Eagles whipped the New York Giant's ass.

Right now, there are bigger things than communism and capitalism on my mind.

see ya

unfortunatly , i see you are the one always just breaking it down to the elites versus poor...

it is a big mistake to alianate the poor or the elites in society

this is what the neo comms are really great at, blaming the elite and trying to get the poor to rally behind that...

it doesnt work that way. the elite have to get a concience and really include the less fortunate in the picture. and the poor have to let go of blaming the elite for everything...actualy , they dont, these idiots try to convince them to blame the elites for all their problems

"Chavez is president of Venezuela not because he is a "bulls**tter" or a "monkey" or an "a*****e" or none of the vile names he has been called, especially by the former white elite, who still delight in mocking his indian and black ancestry. "

adrian, why are you playing the race card with me? i call him a bulls**tter because he is, i am not like the miami herald right wingers who call him a monkey .

have you ever watched any of his speeches? i have, over and over, a small station here played one of his speeches at the social forum many times and i took the time to watch it as much as i could....my god the turds that come out of his lips...are you serious implying he isnt evoking marxist lennonist bull crap?

you seem all too ready to just break it down to the elite against the poor. im not bringing any personal "me its about me " baggage to this, or any defence of the elite , my god have you read anything ive really written?. its cold blooded indignation at the hypocracy running wild in south america...with leaders who paint cia spies behind every corner and drill fear and hatred for the usa and any corporation that comes down the pike. all corporations arent bad, they can help bring a country wealth and prosperity. i beleive they have to include the poor in their plans to come into another country and i beleive the main battles are in the leagal arena and not done with alianating words and violent demonstrations

you couldnt even begin to answer my questions of your doubts of virtual facts surrounding the reality of what chavez is doing, only lump me in with racists....tsk tsk adrian

no , i dont trust him and his policies and ideologies to really help the poor. the truth is on the wall about it

adrian, i dont know what you are doing to help poor people, but, i can produce various articles in newspapers from differant times , about my involvement with organising charitable events to help the poor

your words are starting to sound hollow

http://www.miamiherald.com/new...07498.html

what is the matter with the great leader ? or is this just american hype and corporate media lies...the usa is undermining venezuela with the cia and the venezuelian media totaly provoking the shortages....

it funny that you would be "surprised" that i am in some way emotionaly involved .

i live down here, im not trying to detach myself from the world or the united states and forget it all....ive made it clear that there are big connections with farc and the drug gangs dealing coke and arms and coke is having a devastating affect on where i live...im suposed to close my eyes to that and not understand where it comes from ? and not understand , fat mouth chavez is hooked up with these guys giving them arms and support and territory to hide in?

and listen to people then down play that ? and blame the usa for sending military to colombian bases ....no, i am involved and am informing myself and listening and watching what happens...

adrian, i see that you are making statements that are balancedm many i agree with, you are not all support chavez and idoloze him....but i am perplexed at your propencity to defend him , not perceive the neo marxism and almost defend farc, calling them at one time freedom fighters...ala moan chumpski...i wonder what your sources are and your real political beleifs lie with all this

id love to know your motivations

asp - There's no end game in your arguements. Just chill. I would suggest that you turn off the televison, cancel the newspaper subscriptions. Then pick up a good book no the history of Colombia and read it.

After you are finished let's talk.

I left some questions for you...on another thread. I'm interested in your answers.

tchau

(phillies won! It's 3-2 in favor of the yankees). I really don't like baseball, but this is fun.)

what, go read a book reccomended by you? with the opinionated point of veiw by the author of your choice ?

tv, radio, new papers, magizines, books, they all have a veiw slanted by the opinion of the author...or owner of the prospective magizine, news paper , tv show

asp - Exactly what are you talking about?

You place radio/newspapers/magazines/tv shows on a level with books?

Is this what you teach your son?

that is what im saying

of course a book is a more in depth look than a newspaper report, but,it is basicly the point of veiw of the author

you want me to read a book on colombia? can i read on from someone who supports uribe?

exactly which book are you talking about? not that i am going out to buy it right away

meanwhile , answer this, what is the history of the soviet union and the kgb in relationshiop to brazil? how long ago were they involved with brazil?