Brazzil

I find interesting that a lot of people of the old generation when we discuss how today the criminal gangs are taking over in Brazil - in an almost unamimous opinion people remind me of the good old days when the "Death Squadron" was around taking care of business in Rio de Janeiro and in Sao Paulo.

The old generation has fond memories of the days when the "Death Squadron" kept the criminals under control and Brazil, expecially Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, was a much safer place for all Brazilians.

I am sorry for the writers of the above article, but you are not going to get too much sympathy for the criminal gangs on this website.

I bet a lot people all over Brazil also wish that the "Death Squadron" were back in business.

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Well Ricardo, let's give name to the animais. If the "Brazilian people" support a death squat to exterminate the poor, which in Brazilian terms we're taking about the working poor, underclass,and lower middle class, i.e. the majority of the population, who obviously do not support their own extermination, than we know for a fact that Brazilian capitalists, upper class, and their parrot, part of the Brazilian middle class,are facists authoritarian and reactionaries proud citizens. Congratulations for being so sincere, perhaps you can let yourself be involved in an honest discussion to work out real problems.I'm not optimistic though.I drive a small car in Sao Paulo and people who drive their tanker like cars besides driving as they were competing a formula one racing in narrow, residential streets as well as in wide avenues, feel like driving over my vehicle. It's incredible the fauna you meet around here in Brazil!

In the capitalism, the best thing for business is always to make people being part of an homogeneous group inst it?

And I do think that the old generation in Brazil should be exterminated. Demorou!

During the march, they denounced the presence of the tanks, which actually are sometimes rented from the police by the drug traffickers to invade another favela more easily.

Those "tanks" belong to BOPE. Are the writers suggesting that BOPE "loans" these armored vehicles to their favorite traffickers? I know the PM is corrupt, but BOPE? Even if BOPE also suffers corruption, would it be to the extent of "loaning" one of their armored vehicles to traffickers?!

Wasn't it Brizola's government that first advocated the policy advocated by these authors, namely, that the police leave the favelas in peace and thus allow the traffickers to fill the vacuum and consolidate their power and create little fiefdoms that the police can only now enter with guns blazing? I think Brizola's approach caused the problems we see now, and clearly his thinking is alive and well judging by these authors.

Maria, the death squads dealt with the criminals. Although not an ideal situation, they at least kept a lid on things. Ordinary favelados also at least enjoyed a greater degree of safety, at least not having to worry about stray rounds as the traffickers battle amongst each other or against the cops. Getting rid of death squads seemed to have been a rather Pyrrhic victory, replacing the extra-judicial killings of vigilante groups with the war zone of today. For the favelados it's been a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire! But at least they didn't live in a war zone before!

And I do think that the old generation in Brazil should be exterminated. Demorou!

How do you propose doing it? Euthanasia, Gas Chambers, Concentration camps, forced deportation, etc? I am interested in reading your "Master Plan" giving a "Final Solution" to the old generation of Brasil and I am sure other Brasilian readers also would be.

I find interesting that a lot of people of the old generation when we discuss how today the criminal gangs are taking over in Brazil - in an almost unamimous opinion people remind me of the good old days when the "Death Squadron" was around taking care of business in Rio de Janeiro and in Sao Paulo.

The old generation has fond memories of the days when the "Death Squadron" kept the criminals under control and Brazil, expecially Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, was a much safer place for all Brazilians.

I am sorry for the writers of the above article, but you are not going to get too much sympathy for the criminal gangs on this website.

I bet a lot people all over Brazil also wish that the "Death Squadron" were back in business.

Senhor Amaral,

WHAT THEN separates you from Pol Pot's and Stalin's communists or the Taliban?

Or Hitler's Brown Shirts?

They too had their death squads which were quite effective against their criminals and life was 'peaceful'...as long as you were not a student, an artist, an underpaid union worker or the wife of a union worker (such as the ones who were tortured in front of their husbands in Brazil.)

Clearly State Repression of a total population through Acts 1 thru 5 will sweep up the criminals in their frenzy.

Now, apologize to Castro, Hitler, Mao and the Ayatollah who reduced crime in their countries.

I've seen first hand how Brazilian Police define 'criminals'. And the young lady quoted in the article above does also.

I worked with a group in Bangu called Jovems pra Jovems and Caixa da Sorpresas and we all are fully aware how Brazilian police define criminals.

One of my best friends in Ilha do Governador is a retired PM and only through much prodding will he speak on the atrocities they committed. While at his house the movie with BOPE was just released and he refused to watch it not wanting to dredge up old images.

I just now posted an entry to you about lei complimentar 97 in the sister magazine.Shoulda waited.

Now I await Maria Cristina´s proposed plan to give the "final Solution" to all the old bags and old farts.

She seems so clever.

and look what that has wrought....

it is a deep sociatal fissure...the crimes and violence have become so brutal that people start wanting this kind of elimination thing...

when human defence mechanisms start kicking into gear, the results can be ugly

The old generation has fond memories of the days when the "Death Squadron" kept the criminals under control and Brazil, expecially Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, was a much safer place for all Brazilians.

That would be a great argument except for the fact that, like a lot of things old people remember, it just isn't true.

First of all, in the "old days", Brazil was a largely rural country with largely rural problems. It's thus a bit unfair to claim that the increase in crime comes from increased leniency when in fact urbanization has been a huge factor.

Secondly, if you look through the papers from "back in the day", you'll see those old people screaming just as loudly about criminality and lack of justice.

Finally, back in the "old days", most violent crime simply wasn't reported if it happened in the favelas.

So yeah, Brazil is more violent today than it was back in the days when 20% of the country lkived in urban areas. That does not prove that death squads are a reasonable solution to urban violence.

During the march, they denounced the presence of the tanks, which actually are sometimes rented from the police by the drug traffickers to invade another favela more easily.

I see that the 'tussin is finally kicking in, Brazuca. I wish my halucinations were half as colorful as yours!

Senhor Amaral,

WHAT THEN separates you from Pol Pot's and Stalin's communists or the Taliban?

Or Hitler's Brown Shirts?

Adrianerik, to make your list really comprehensive If I were you I would add the American army, we all know what they did in camps for "terrorists" in Guantanamo and Irak and still do with occupied populations, and the Israeli army with their tactics of "control" to exterminate the palestinian people in the occupied territory.

To the idiot called João I'd let Comando Vermelho take care of you.

Come on.
That would be 100 drugs traffickers ONLY !

I bet that Tacrendo stopped going to school when he was 10 years old.
But still got 2 Universities licences.
Yesss a Brasilia Government & Rio State University Licence to....cheat, lie and hide !

Unless he mixep up stats.
the 100 traffickers he had in mind were THE LOCAL COPS STATION !

Ricardo: I know that the “Death Squadron” is not the solution for the drugs trafficking in Brazil. Here is my recommendation:

On my second book published in 1999, I have about 80 pages with complete detail information about the US prison system and the illegal drug trafficking in the USA. And my solution for that problem is not a war on drugs as the US is supposed to have been waging since the 1970’s – in my opinion the only way to defeat the illegal drug trade is with economics.

Profits, Profits, and more profits are behind the illegal drug trade and the only way to fight back it is by legalizing these illegal drugs and take away 100 percent of the profit incentive of the drug trade. When there is no money to be made on the drug trade they all will go out of business.

You can’t only legalize the illegal drugs, the governments also have to flood the market with these drugs and bring the price to a level that eliminates any profit that there is in the drug production and distribution system.

Zero profit = out of business.

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You said: “First of all, in the "old days", Brazil was a largely rural country with largely rural problems.”

The “Death Squadron” was operating in Brazil in the mis-1960’s to early 1970’s in Rio de Janeiro and in Sao Paulo – and I can guarantee to you that during that time these 2 cities were not considered to be largely rural country. You have the wrong perception of what Rio and Sao Paulo looked like during that period of time.

The “Death Squadron” did not go after poor people as some people have mentioned above. They went after criminals with a long wrap sheet and these guys were heavy-duty criminals, and that’s why the “Death Squadron” had the support of most of the population in Rio and in Sao Paulo.

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of course it would have to be regulated and a huge screening process. some of the big customers for crack , according to a recent statistic i saw , for what its worth, are adolescents, still cant just dish it up to them.

it would have to be loaded with doctors and consulers trying to show the people why not to use drugs, but , it couldnt be worse than now. so many people use drugs in all walks of life...it needs to be brought into the system , just the cost of incarcerating drug users and sellers is really debilitating

but , you know, there has to be real commitment into letting young people from these areas have some hope , education, protection and upgraded facilities....

since we are mentioning movies and docus, the most important docu to see is the one by mv bill, "falcaos (do morro i think)". that is the hard core reality, then there was a docu about this war between the police and drug traficars that has some of the narration by the guy who wrote trope de elite...and for a quaint but eye opening look back at the same dynamic as ever, try to see a great movie "rio babalonia" with the police going up a very less urban favela looking for some noble traficantes....made in 1982...its pretty funny too, but , wild that it is the same dynamic as now , just on a smaller scale

meanwhile, brazil as a trafic route for coke has skyrockeded in the last 87 years or so. crack just wasnt around so much as now, there are cronic busts for cocaine all the time....some of those realities have to be addressed

not 87 years the cocaine business has skyrocketed.................

During a period of various months when I was doing research for my book I did read a lot of material on the subject of the prison system in the US and the war on drugs and all its ramifications.

I understand many of the pieces that are involved on this complex problem including the cost of incarceration, the impact on the family of these people who end up in prison, the cost to the taxpayer of warehousing all these criminals, the drug trafficking problem is a complex problem with many ramifications that most people does not realize and they are not able to connect the dots.

As I mentioned on my above posting the United States has been fighting a war on drugs since the 1970’s and since that time they have incarcerated more than 1.5 million people in the United States related to the war on drugs.

And the latest actions of the United States related to this war on drugs has destabilized the entire South American Continent when the United States made an agreement with Colombia about the US Army using 7 military bases in Colombia.

If you think that it is a problem what is happening in Rio de Janeiro then just wait and see how a war between Venezuela and Colombia/USA can spill into Brazilian territory and things can spin out of control and become very messy in no time.

And as I mentioned above there is a simple solution for everybody including the United States: legalize all these illegal drugs and flood the entire market leaving no room for anybody to make any type of profit.

The illegal drug problem comes to an end in the Americas from North to South.

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Adrianerik, to make your list really comprehensive If I were you I would add the American army, we all know what they did in camps for "terrorists" in Guantanamo and Irak and still do with occupied populations, and the Israeli army with their tactics of "control" to exterminate the palestinian people in the occupied territory.

Hi Maria, I'm not above criticizing the United States but it's important not to mix foreign policy and domestic. The Death Squads were a domestic issue WITHIN a states. As were the various levels of state (domestic) repression in Cambodia, Russia, Cuba and the Revolutionary Guards in Iran.

What occurs in Guantanamo is not the government approach within the 50 states. (as a matter of fact, that's why they chose Guantanamo.)

And Israel's foreign policy towards the Palestinians is not its domestic witin Israel (where about a million Palestinians live).

Don't get me wrong...there are lists for these practices but they belong in a different category.

To the idiot called João I'd let Comando Vermelho take care of you.

Listen, wimp. You may call me an idiot. But you are one of those spoiled brats that would run over an old bag at a pedestrian crossing and call your daddy to arrange a lawyer to get you off the hook. Comando Vermelho? Sure, join them or better still go live in a favela and confront BOPE, defending your pals in Comando Vermelho and FARC. You remind me so much of that Patty Hearst in the 70´s. Hope your last name is not Kirchner.

Hi Adrian,

Re your last comments in reply to Maria Cristina Kirchner about Death Squad, Israel, Gitmo, etc: Dont be a "sabonete".

Cheers

Hi Ricardo,

Slightly off topic. Do you think that yesterday´s blackout was a sabotage to convince the Brasilians to sell the Itaipu Hydro station to the Spaniards or Italians for a song?

Food for thoughts.

it's pretty scary to think that computer hackers have causes such a sweeping blackout

besides the fact that adrian erik answered it quite well, and, congradulations , adrian , for your in the trench work you did that you mentioned here, that is the kind of work that makes a differance...

but, those are armed conflicts that the usa has been in.two sides were killing each other.

how many millions have died at guantanamo ? thousands ? hundreds ?

i mean,you can add up the dead in viet nam, iraq, afghanastan,all wars fought by two sides killing each other ,and it wont equal the dead eliminated by pol pot....i mean systematic elimination is the key word...and the numbers for those that adrian mentioned are in the millions...can you wrap your head around that?

why do people like you knee jerk react with some comment about the usa army when someone brings up these mass ideological eliminations that are part of the history of the world? it just weakons your points

wow, joao, that was a zinger of a post

Hi Joao,

If you read many of the US magazines today they have many articles showing how vulnerable the entire system US economic system is becoming to a hacker attack.

The usage of state-of-the-art technologies makes these systems very vulnerable to hacker- attacks – such as attacks to the power grids, to the banking system including the operation of stock exchanges, to databases with all the personal information about most members of society, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The scary thing is that these hacker-attacks can be waged from anywhere to any target. We are all vulnerable to these hacker attacks and they can come from just kids trying to show how smart they are, from terrorist groups, from government against government, and above all by companies such as “Goldman Sacks” since these guys are worse than any international Mafia and they would do anything to make a quick buck, and you can be sure that they are working overtime to come up with new scamming strategies to screw people up and take away their assets.

Goldman Sachs is a very unscrupulous company – a real international mafia disguised as a very distinguished company and the members of the Goldman Sacks Network has infiltrated the highest level of the US government and the members of that network were instrumental on the decision to let Lehman Brothers die in a massive financial meltdown – the members of the Goldman Sacks Network were happy to get rid of their competition, and

About 4 months ago the cover story on “Rolling Stone Magazine” was an article about Goldman Sacks and how this mafia company has been doing so much damage to the US economy over the years and they still in business as never before and in 2009 they have allocated about $ 20 billion dollars to give as bonus to the members of their gang.

You can read the entire article about Goldman Sacks at: “The Great American Bubble Machine” - From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression - and they're about to do it again…By Matt Taibbi.

http://www.correntewire.com/gr..._machine_0

I would not be surprised to find out that a company such as Goldman Sacks was behind the latest blackout in Brazil, since today anything is allowed in the international game for companies to make a quick buck at the expense of unsuspecting and naïve people.

We are in the middle of a major global economic war and the survival of the fittest and we can see that the economic trading war among countries is accelerating faster than most people realized.

As you can see in the new world order there are many players that could be behind such a blackout and they have all kinds of reason to back up their agendas.

The Brazilian government should not overreact from such a hacker attack, because that is going to be a way of life not only in Brazil, but also among the major global economic players and it will be part of the game on this new global economy.

You can bet that today there is major international hackers activity going on and involving all kind of people from government organizations of many countries, to corporate, and the criminal world including regular mafias and terrorist groups – welcome to the new world order of the 21st century and the potential of a major war being started by hackers using the latest technologies available in Cyberspace.

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i better get some stocks in goldman sachs fast

Transmission lines are just as vunerable to 21st century cyber attacks as they are to old fashioned 20th century bombing attacks..just shows how fragile our economic models are. The world economy is built on a house of oil and the peak theorists give us roughly about 30 years before we go into serious decline.

The world economy is built on a house of oil and the peak theorists give us roughly about 30 years before we go into serious decline.

That´s what the "Peak theorists" said 30 year ago, sir. I remember there was a frenzy at that time to find alternative source of energy as they thought the fossil fuel would be over in 30 years time.

I don't predict an economic decline, but a new world order.

Hi Ricardo,

Thanks for the info on Goldman Sachs. It is a coincidence that the power outage happened during the visit of Shimon Peres!! Hopefully he was not trying buy Itaipú acting on behalf of G & Sachs, Madoff, etc; for a song and our technicians protested by turning off the circuit breakers!!

Ahmadinejad is expected to be here by the last week of November and I hope he doesn't bring a counter proposal for one of the last assets still we have and if he does, he may incur the wrath of our techies again.

i better get some stocks in goldman sachs fast

If I were you, I´ll wait until the visit of the Iranian President.

Hi Joao,

As I mentioned on my above posting: “The usage of state-of-the-art technologies makes these systems very vulnerable to hacker- attacks – such as attacks to the power grids, to the banking system including the operation of stock exchanges, to databases with all the personal information about most members of society, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.”

The Brazilian hackers are considered to be world-class hackers, they are among the best, and I hope the Brazilian government takes advantage of this situation and build an army of hackers able to handle any cyberspace situation.

I hope the state of Israel had nothing to do with the blackout that happened in Brazil this week.

The Brazilian government should investigate all the possibilities of a foreign cyberspace attack into the generating power plant that caused the blackout, and if Brazil can identify another country responsible for such act of sabotage in Brazil then the Brazilian government should retaliate in kind against the culprit country.

The Brazilian government should be prepared for the possibility of having to wage cyberspace warfare against any other country in our planet that wage any type of cyber attack against Brazil's national security infrastructure.

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the majority who live in favelas, only want peace, equal education, oportunity and to be able live with dignity without abuse..

For all you death squad supporters, here's an easy way to decide whether they are, in fact, a good idea.

Take a walk into your nearest favela. Scream as loudly as you can: "Bring back the death squads to kill all drug traffickers." Stand there for a few minutes until your own personal death squad arrives. Then, as your bullet-ridden body succumbs to its wounds, ask yourself with your final breath whether the death squad thing really was such a good idea, after all.

I hope the state of Israel had nothing to do with the blackout that happened in Brazil this week.

The Brazilian government should investigate all the possibilities of a foreign cyberspace attack into the generating power plant that caused the blackout, and if Brazil can identify another country responsible for such act of sabotage in Brazil then the Brazilian government should retaliate in kind against the culprit country.

Aside from your obvious anti-Semitic tendencies, you seem to have another problem. You make the mistake of believing, as most Brasilians do, that the world actually gives a s**t about Brasil. Trust me, nobody is trying to take over Brasil. Nobody wants it. That's why nobody "waging war against Brazil's national security infrastructure"

Does Brasil even have a "national security infrastructure?" I live here, and I've never seen much evidence that it does. Brasil thinks it does, but the reality is quite different. I believe the only thing that the "national security infrastructure" has shown it is good for so far is taking over Brasil. And we all know how that worked out.

Aside from your obvious anti-Semitic tendencies, you seem to have another problem.

In all fairness to Mr.Ricardo Amaral, he doesn't have any anti-Semitic tendencies. Not that I know of.He is just questioning why the American Tax payers have to spend Billions of $ to sustain the "Jewish State" of Israel, like many other "gentile" & "atheist" bloggers in this forum.

You make the mistake of believing, as most Brasilians do, that the world actually gives a s**t about Brasil.

I think that some part of the "world" does give a s**t about Brasil, because it has now become profitable to do so. Otherwise, Shimon Peres wouldn't have rushed down to sell UMAV´s worth $350**6.

May be illogical Brasilian side of me to contest what you say. Remember, we who were colonized by the Portuguese and the Spanish are not logical in our thinking.

You said: “Aside from your obvious anti-Semitic tendencies, you seem to have another problem.”

I mentioned a number of times that I am not a religious person, and I don’t care which religion anybody follows.

By the way, today (November 18, 2009) I watched on my television cable system on the BBC World News a very interesting program called HARDtalk with Stephen Sackur. The subject was Jewish history presented by a Jewish historian.

The topic of today’s program was “Inventing Jewish History?” – Shlomo Sand's latest book has unleashed a storm of controversy. His subject is the history of the Jews, and his conclusions reject the orthodoxies of Jewish history and modern day Zionism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro...efault.stm


We had a discussion going on this subject on the Elite Trader Forum, but the discussion did not last long since the other people realized that I was not anti-Semitic and I was presenting a point of view about the self-interest of the United States as a country.

You can read some of the discussion on the following website:

Israel is "barking on the wrong tree"

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=1

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...genumber=8


I did not mention on that forum the negative demonstrations that did occur in Brazil against the Shimon Peres visit. Last week I did read in one of the main Brazilian newspapers the Portuguese version of the following article published by a Jewish website. The article said:

“'War criminal go home,' Brazil protesters shout at Peres”

Protesters in Sao Paulo demonstrated Thursday against President Shimon Peres' visit to Brazil and Israel's actions in Gaza, according to a report posted on Haaretz website.

“War criminal, go home” the protesters shouted at Peres as he arrived in the city to present a speech at a conference of local industrialists. Some of demonstrators held signs equating Peres with Hitler; others waved Lebanese and Palestinian flags.

According to Arutz Sheva, demonstrators carried placards with pictures of Arab children killed during Israel’s 22-day war on Gaza.

During Israel’s Dec.-Jan. onslaught on the besieged Gaza Strip about 1,400 people, mostly children and women, were slaughtered and thousands more injured.

In its report the UN Human Rights Council said the Tel Aviv regime’s attacks on Gaza constituted examples of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The report concluded that Israel used disproportionate force in the war, deliberately targeting Gaza civilians, using them as human shields, and destroying civilian infrastructure.

Source: haaretz.com


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You also said: “You make the mistake of believing, as most Brasilians do, that the world actually gives a s**t about Brasil.”

Only the intelligent people give a s**t about Brazil - The rest of the people who cares what they think?

The Financial Times (UK) had an entire section about Brazil a few days ago, and yesterday they had another entire section about the state of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

The current issue of “The Economist” magazine the cover story is about Brazil, and in the same issue they have a long special report about Brazil.

International investors also think Brazil is one of the best bets for the future.

Again only idiots such as yourself would disregard Brazil as one of the major emerging powers of the 21st century.

Brazil is “The Real Thing” if you like it or not.

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“The Real Thing” was a slogan used by Coca-Cola many years ago to sell their product Coca-Cola. That slogan turned out to be the most successful slogan that Coca-Cola has ever used over the years.

The Coca-Cola slogan became so successful - “The Real Thing” - that today people use it to describe other things that are unique in a very special way.

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The Financial Times (UK) had an entire section about Brazil a few days ago, and yesterday they had another entire section about the state of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

The current issue of “The Economist” magazine the cover story is about Brazil, and in the same issue they have a long special report about Brazil.

International investors also think Brazil is one of the best bets for the future.

Again only idiots such as yourself would disregard Brazil as one of the major emerging powers of the 21st century.

Then surely you are aware that the Economist warned "Now the risk for Latin America's big success story is hubris." And there is no better example of hubris than your post.

The Economist and the Financial Times regularly publish special reports on many countries and world regions. The only surprise is that it took so long for Brazil to attract attention. The fact that the country is only being noticed simply means that it arrived late to the party.

In defence of others writing here, the fact that Brazil finally has an economy does not mean that anyone wants to take it over. Anyone who thinks so is displaying the paranoia for which Brazilians are famous.

The above should have said "the country is only NOW being noticed" Sorry for the error.