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Ahmadinejad's Visit: Iran, Honduras and Brazil's Hypocrisy in Dealing With Them PDF Print E-mail
2009 - November 2009
Written by Denis Lerrer Rosenfield   
Monday, 23 November 2009 04:24

Ahmadinejad and Lula The Brazilian diplo-MÁ-cia (bad diplomacy) carries on its accelerated course towards the non-acknowledgment of human rights, although sometimes it takes pleasure in saying that it does precisely the opposite. The visit of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is another example of a diplomatic omission that verges on hypocrisy.

It comes in the wake, for example, of the embarrassing silence regarding Darfur, in Western Sudan, where no-Muslim black tribes, are massacred by a radical, genocidal Islamic government. We are dealing with a genocide in the 21st century, which is approved by the government, also in name of backstage negotiations supposedly more effective.

May the dead corroborate it. Meanwhile, the mass murders go on with more than 200 thousand people eliminated  in addition to those who are mutilated for life. In celebrating the Black Conscience Day (November 20), this is a banner that should have been vigourosly raised, on behalf of a more energetic condemnation of the extermination of these African black tribes.

Ahmadinejad's visit happens, precisely, after a "national election"  domestically and internationally condemned for being rigged, even by ayatollahs of the regime itself, including a former president and a former prime minister. Even they rebelled against the more and more totalitarian direction of the regime, trying, this way, to distinguish two Islamic ways: the radical one, of totalitarian tendencies, and another one that isn't like that.

They were banished, belittled, and some of their allies and relatives, tortured and murdered. There were generalized outcries with the population daring going to the streets to protest. And it did bravely, because it had to confront the notorious "Revolutionary Guard", a kind of SS of the Iranian government.

Meanwhile, president Lula limited himself to say that it was nothing more than a mere soccer match, with the losers grumbling after their defeat.  This is an insult to those who, there, fight for democracy, for freedoms.

The Iranian president has in his résumé, which reads more like a criminal record, a series of declarations and attitudes that well illustrate his totalitarian mentality. He keeps on announcing the "inexistence of the Jewish holocaust," which eliminated 6 million people, only because they belonged to another religious creed.

He advocates the elimination of the state of Israel, getting himself involved directly in the Middle East's conflicts, giving weapons and financing Hamas and Hezbollah, who share his same ideology.

By the way, the president of the Palestine National Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, forcibly condemns this interference in the Gaza Strip. We have, here, to differentiate the reception given to the president of the Palestine National Authority, a man of peace and dialogue, who is different in every way from the Iranian president. Mixing both things can only be the result of ignorance or bad-faith, being this last alternative the most probable.

The persecutions conducted by the  Ahmadinejad government strongly affect the Baha'i community for the simple fact that we are dealing with a religious creed that deviates from the official religion. The theocratic government of Iran does not tolerate disagreement, opposition, singling out everything as deviant behaviors that must be eliminated in the name of the health, of the political "purity" of this regime.

Deviant behaviors are also those of homosexuals, object of condemnations and persecutions, which are quite revealing of the totalitarian nature of the ayatollahs regime, adverse to  religious, moral and political tolerance.

Women are equally considered inferior beings, who cannot use their free choice capacity, having to subject themselves to religious leaders who impose their codes of conduct. We need to stress that before the ayatollahs rise to power Iranian women enjoyed much more freedom, the current situation configuring a clear step backward.

Now, it is this regime that the Brazilian government believes is worthy of being welcomed and, further more, considering everything that happens in that country as being a mere product of simple domestic disputes. Our president even ended up saying that the Iranian nuclear project is "pacific," just taking Ahmadinejad's word for it.

Can you believe the word of a person who denies historical facts? Can you believe the word of a person who rigs the elections in his country? Can you believe the word of a person who eliminates freedom of press and of the media in general? Can you believe the word of a person who imposes his decisions through his political police, his SS, his "Revolutionary Guard"?

Trying to support the Brazilian diplo-MÁ-cia in the name of an alleged non-interference in domestic affairs of another country is just another patent hypocrisy, because this is precisely what Brazil is doing in Honduras, with the embassy turned into in a Bolivarian insurgency focus, also of a totalitarian type.

Against all international treaties, the embassy gave Manuel Zelaya not a "refuge," offering him headquarters from where Hugo Chavez's directives are disseminated throughout the world, thanks to TeleSur, also there installed.

The diplomatic incoherence is plain when constitutionally scheduled elections, even before Zelaya's ousting, are about to be held. The electoral fraud in Iran is praised, it's a domestic affair, while the Honduran elections are condemned.

It seems that our diplo-MÁ-cia has an elective affinity with totalitarian regimes, something never before seen in our diplomatic history.

The celebrated South-South dialogue is nothing more than a mask that hides an option for the progressive disrespect to democratic choices and human rights.

If this is the price to be paid for a seat at the UN's Security Council, the obligatory question is the following: is it worth the price?

Denis Lerrer Rosenfield is a Philosophy professor at the UFRGS (Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul). He can be reached at Denisrosenfield@terra.com.br.



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The New Myth...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 23, 2009

Ricardo: I had posted the following on the Elite Trader Forum early in the morning when I received my copy of the Financial Times (UK) and started reading it.

About four or five years ago nobody around the world would care if the president of Iran had visited Brazil since Brazil has had a good diplomatic relation with Iran for a long time.

But the finding of a few large oil fields in Brazil, in the meantime, and now voila according to the Financial Times the president of Brazil has become a miracle maker that can give credibility and legitimacy to any other country around the world.


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November 23, 2009

SouthAmerica: Today I was laughing when I saw the cover page of the Financial Times (UK) – They had a large picture under the headline “Brazil protest, anger at Iran leader’s visit”, but in the picture there are at most 10 women and they are holding Israel’s flag.

That picture reminds me of a friend of mine who have a temporary employment agency here in the north portion of New Jersey – a few months ago I was chatting with him when he told me something that it was new information to me – he told me that his agency did a lot of business with unions and when the unions needed people for picketing lines or demonstrations they would call him and hire unemployed people to walk these picketing lines against the employers of these unions.

Today, when you see a small group of people such as this one shown on the picture of the Financial Times protesting or demonstrating you have to take it with a grain of salt, because for all practical purposes these people could have been hired to stage someone else’s agenda.

Then inside the Financial Times (UK) they had an article “Brazilian diplomacy put to test by Iranian president’s visit.” The article basically inflates the diplomatic power that Brazil has today around the world – the article said: “Brazil’s growing influence on the global stage means that leaders with whom the president of Brazil chooses to meet gain greater credibility and, indeed, legitimacy.”

When the real truth is: the entire situation reflects more the decline in influence and prestige of the United States in global affairs than anything else.

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This game works every time...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 23, 2009

The above article said: “The Iranian president has in his résumé, which reads more like a criminal record, a series of declarations and attitudes that well illustrate his totalitarian mentality. He keeps on announcing the "inexistence of the Jewish holocaust," which eliminated 6 million people, only because they belonged to another religious creed.”

When in reality this is the best thing that has happened to Iran and to Israel.

Comments like these from the Iranian president are a major justification that helps the US gravy train to keep coming to Israel year after year – even if such a policy goes against US long-term interests in that part of the world.

Regarding Iran never was so easy to earn billions of extra US dollars in oil revenues – the more people bring up the president of Iran’s comments about Israel that affects the price of oil and the Iranians laugh all the way to the bank to the tune of an extra few billion dollars that probably would not be there if the Iranian president had not been playing this game for a long time – that is a game that works every time that’s why the Iranian president is always smiling. It was never so easy to make a ton of money – all that the president of Iran has to do is make few comments about the history of Israel.

And I laugh every time that this subject comes up – here we go again the price of oil is going up a notch and Iran will improving its cash flow to the tune of a few billon dollars – its was never so easy to make so much money with so little effort.

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US Style of Democracy = Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 23, 2009

As the above article said: “Meanwhile, president Lula limited himself to say that it was nothing more than a mere soccer match, with the losers grumbling after their defeat. This is an insult to those who, there, fight for democracy, for freedoms.”

In my opinion has the right attitude, but if the author did not have his own agenda then he would mention the real insult that happened in Iran in 1952 when the United States using the CIA overthrew a democratically secular government in Iran and replaced it with the nasty dictatorship of a real tyrant - Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi.

You can read about it on the following thread:

Iran and American Interference
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...post973561


The American Prospect
"Regime change since 1953"
Article published 11/01/03

Regime Change: The Legacy - Since 1953, U.S. presidents have been toppling other governments. Now, the consequences.
By Stephen Kinzer

A very happy group of men convened at the White House on Sept. 4, 1953, to hear a cloak-and-dagger story that would resonate through all of subsequent American history. Two weeks before, the Central Intelligence Agency had overthrown Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran. It was the first time the CIA had deposed a foreign leader, and on this day the agent who ran the operation, Kermit Roosevelt, was to explain how he did it.


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correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 23, 2009

In my opinion Lula has the right attitude...

A soccer game is better choice than the US brand of democracy, and the Iranians have practical experience with what American democracy can bring to you.


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Correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 23, 2009

Title of article Should read:

Brazil's Hypocrisy in Dealing With Them.

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written by Feslen Stark, November 23, 2009
Hardly reported but thanks to students of Iran, the remnants of the post-election protests continue from those Persians risking their lives to fight the mullahs, Ahmadinejad and free Iran of Islam, videos still are distributed almost daily of the continued efforts recorded mostly from cell phone cameras. Many more Iranians than people know want Islam to be pushed out of Persia, help them please, don't add prestige to this maniac.
feslen, denis
written by sage, November 23, 2009
your names are a dead giveaway - members of the israel lobby. it's interesting how your type are only attracted to articles on this site that pertain to iran - kind of like flies being attracted to - you know what. dont find your type anywhere else on this blog.

re. the 'remnants of the post-election protests' they are very similar to the suppression of the peace movement in israel. sounds like an oxymoron but it does exist. lets help them get the message across to the world on what their racist, fascist, genocidal zionist govt. is doing in israel. somehow you clowns conveniently forget that the corrupt gangster thug net-&-yahoo did dont win a majority of the vote. he was requested by that slimeball pres. perez to form a govt w/ various other extremist parties when livni who did win a majority of the vote did not have the 'political' critical mass to do so. israeli politics are corrupt & warped. btw, gangster thug net-&-yahoo is being investigated on corruption charges. smilies/grin.gif
Lula is not helping Ahmadinejad in any way
written by Sergio T, November 23, 2009
My impression is that Lula has a deep need to be friend with everyone foreign without personally knowing anyone. He thinks that everyone in the world can be friend of Brazil. No matter if the guy is a moron such as Chavez or a dangerous person such as Ahmadinejad. Lula thinks, naively, that Brazil stands above the worldly political environment. He thinks that we can use our Brazilian way to resolve all problems. He looks to me like someone delusional who is playing with serpents thinking that they are just earthworms.

In his extreme naivety he will damage Brazil’s most important relationships and bring much headache to the next Brazilian president.


sergio
written by sage, November 23, 2009
another mossad blogger - serpents, earthworms.... smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, November 23, 2009
Hi Ricardo,

Today, when you see a small group of people such as this one shown on the picture of the Financial Times protesting or demonstrating you have to take it with a grain of salt, because for all practical purposes these people could have been hired to stage someone else’s agenda.


I just burst our laughing when I read your comments about professional "protesters".

Here is something for you to read about the protests against Ahmadinejad in Brasilia:

Os manifestantes foram afastados do carro de Ahmadinejad por uma fileira de 16 homens da Polícia Montada. No começo desta tarde, ainda estavam na área cerca de 150 homens da PM e da segurança do Palácio do Planalto. Em comparação a outras visitas de presidentes ao Brasil, o número de seguranças, desta vez, é maior.



Mas, apesar de todo efetivo, um homem, carregando uma criança de pouco mais de um ano, conseguiu driblar os seguranças e entrou no Itamaraty para distribuir folheto em solidariedade ao presidente iraniano. O papel era um manifesto de boas vindas a Ahmadinejad e elogios por sua "incansável luta contra o imperialismo dos Estados Unidos, Israel e seus aliados". Ao ser retirado pelos seguranças, o homem, que não quis se identificar, perguntava se o funcionário do Itamaraty era judeu, por estar afastando-o do local.


The last sentence was ever funny!

Sage
written by Feslen Stark, November 23, 2009
My point is made and it stands, you are talking about Israel, I am speaking about Iran and Brazil, although I find your apparent deep affection for the little midget (in Tehran) curious, obviously you hate Israel, so what? Now why the opposition to the Persian student cause? smilies/cool.gif
Color revolutions just ain't what they used to be! :D
written by Brazuca, November 23, 2009
Ahmadinejad's visit happens, precisely, after a "national election" domestically and internationally condemned for being rigged, even by ayatollahs of the regime itself, including a former president and a former prime minister. Even they rebelled against the more and more totalitarian direction of the regime, trying, this way, to distinguish two Islamic ways: the radical one, of totalitarian tendencies, and another one that isn't like that.

And here I was thinking the turmoil after the election was simply an unsuccessful attempt at a (green) color revolution! LOL
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written by **, November 23, 2009
I find your apparent deep affection for the little midget (in Tehran) curious


Anões unidos jamais serão vencidos. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by sage, November 23, 2009
'you are talking about Israel, I am speaking about Iran and Brazil'

yes i mention israel because you speak about iran & brasil from the context of a poisoned zionist chalice. i didn't hear a peep out of your kind when fascist lieberman (the other little midget) or the slimeball peres visited brasil, both of whom which also represent an abhorrant, appartheid, corrupt, genocidal, kleptocratic, repressive system.

'I find your apparent deep affection for the little midget (in Tehran) curious'
why? because it doesn't fit in with your twisted distorted worldview (shock & awe, full spectrum dominance, et. al.)

brasil is a sovereign independent country that chooses to have good relationships with all countries, something your murderous kind would do well to learn from.

'obviously you hate Israel, so what?'
i despise all hypocritical, dogmatic, fundamentalist, genocidal, fascist entities & israel happens to fit that description today.

i find it hilarious to see so many jews across the blogsphere foaming at the mouth like mad dogs over this visit. makes me think you folks are very insecure about something. smilies/tongue.gif
The visit of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Brazil
written by Reinaldo, November 24, 2009
Using this way in the article we should include in "genocidal government": France and the case of Argelia, United States and Iraq, and Vietnan, why we should protest only in this case?
you are absolutly f**ked up sage, i see you are a little punk bitch
written by asp, November 24, 2009
im carrying this over from your dick head responce on the other thread

i see little punk bitches on the internet like you, any one who sais any defence for israel becomes a "zionist schill"...kiss my ass

your little whiz kid education hasnt helped you understand real history.ive already seen how you play fast and loose with your "facts" and twist your asinine logic into it.that is f**ked up and you are f**ked up

like thinking a shooting war in southeast asia equals nazi extermination camps..or your ridiculas notion a trade embargo was why japan attacked the usa..or your conspiricy theory notion about japan trying to surrender...or truman showing russia the power of the bomb...or justifying japan raping china and korea because the brutixh colonised it....stick your conspiricy theories up your ass...or any other number of points you have made where you take some facts and twist it into some stupid skewed veiw of the world

your little perfumed whiz kid education needs to be dragged down in the dirty mud of reality,and i will drag your ass in the mud, something your perfumed little punk ass just cant handle

your histroy is skewed and for punk bitches, take your f**ked up logic and stuff it down your throat until the bile comes dripping out

any one who thinks you are some kind of freind of brazil doesnt know you have the demeaner of a used car salesman...you false phony mother f**ker...you dont even have the guts to tell us your background and where you are from

and get the f**k out of my face...bitch
it was a notable demonstration....you are wrong again ,amoral
written by asp, November 24, 2009
it definitly wasnt 5 or 6 paid people.....

brazilian people arent dummies. the false nationalists and red flaggers arnt going to protest aberjaborwachy or see through his bulls**t

but you have to remember , most of the brazilian people are catholic or evangelical christian or practice condomble ,and are considered infidels by fundimental islamists.

and most brazilians have gotten some notion that fundimental islamists and islamic states dont take to infidels and besides protesting against israel and the usa they will kill you if you make a short film condeming fundimentalist islam or make a cartoon that doesnt worship mohamad

when it gets down to the nitty gritty, fundimental islamists will condemn and hate infidels and condemn any "western decadence" especialy brazilian style sensuality, which , how women dress , is a major part of their fundimentalism

great if lula talks to aberjaferwacy, does business with him, acts as a potential mid east peace broker, that is fantastic

but deep in the concience of most average brazilians is the knowledge that when it gets down to the nitty gritty, for fundimental islamics and fundimental islamic states....they are nothing but the hated infidels
“Ahmadinejad said that the USA and Israel don’t have the guts to attack Iran”
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 24, 2009

November 24, 2009

Ricardo: Today’s newspaper headline says: “Ahmadinejad said that the USA and Israel don’t have the guts to attack Iran”

The article said that a Jewish group and a group of homosexuals protested the visit of Ahmadinejad…

Ahmadinejad also said: “…Iran is a democratic country and it does not need the support of president Lula to make it legitim its government. The legitimacy of the government comes from the people in Iran, and not from any third party. Our relations are based on friendship” said the president.


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“Ahmadinejad diz que EUA e Israel não teriam coragem de atacar o Irã”
SOFIA FERNANDES - colaboração para a Folha Online, em Brasília
Folha de Sao Paulo
November 24, 2009

O presidente iraniano, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, disse nesta segunda-feira, em Brasília, que Israel e Estados Unidos não teriam coragem de atacar seu país, ao responder a uma pergunta sobre o que faria caso os Estados Unidos encabeçassem uma invasão ao território iraniano. As potências ocidentais pressionam Teerã a aceitar uma fiscalização mais rígida sobre seu programa nuclear, que os israelenses consideram uma ameaça.

"O tempo é de diálogo e do pensamento. Armas e ameaças pertencem ao passado, até para as pessoas atrasadas mentalmente", afirmou Ahmadinejad, em uma entrevista coletiva. Ao longo do dia, ele se encontrou com o presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva e visitou o Congresso Nacional.

Durante a entrevista, concedida no hotel onde o presidente está hospedado, em Brasília, um rapaz entrou na sala, segurando a bandeira colorida símbolo do orgulho gay. O rapaz foi expulso da sala por oficiais da Polícia Federal.

Grupos judaicos, de defesa dos direitos humanos e entidades de defesa dos direitos dos homossexuais protestaram contra a visita do presidente iraniano, que já afirmou não haver homossexuais em seu país, questiona o Holocausto e já falou em varrer Israel do mapa.

Ahmadinejad afirmou, respondendo à pergunta da imprensa, que as pessoas estão livres em seu país para expressar suas ideias.

"No Irã as pessoas podem apresentar seus pontos de vista, também existe essa liberdade", disse. O presidente emendou sua resposta falando que "o povo brasileiro é um povo de que nós gostamos".

O presidente iraniano esquivou-se de responder se é a favor da solução de dois Estados independentes para resolver o conflito israelo-palestino.

Ele defendeu a união palestina, e disse que o problema do povo palestino deve ser resolvido pela raiz.

"Para solucionar, temos que pensar nas raízes desse problema. É como uma doença. Se não conhecermos o motivo da doença não conseguimos tratar."

Sobre os cinco presos condenados à morte, em função dos protestos contra supostas fraudes na votação que o reelegeu, em junho, Ahmadinejad disse que qualquer país tem seus regulamentos e que o poder Judiciário iraniano é muito independente. "Se o motorista ultrapassar um sinal vai ser multado", afirmou.

O Irã é um país democrático e não precisa do apoio do presidente Lula para legitimar seu governo. "Legitimidade do governo vem do povo, não de outra parte. Nossas relações são baseadas na amizade", disse o presidente.

Ahmadinejad está nesta segunda-feira em Brasília na primeira viagem oficial de um presidente iraniano ao Brasil. Ele Viaja amanhã às 5h para Bolívia. Depois, segue para Venezuela, Gâmbia e Senegal. Uma comitiva com 198 empresários veio com o líder iraniano para negociações com o empresariado brasileiro.

A entrevista coletiva foi o último compromisso do presidente iraniano no Brasil. Uma palestra que estava marcada para a noite desta segunda-feira em uma faculdade de Brasília foi cancelada. Segundo a assessoria de imprensa da embaixada iraniana, o Gabinete de Segurança Institucional da Presidência da República (GSI) afirmou que não poderia garantir a segurança do local, mas a informação não foi confirmada pela Presidência brasileira.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/f...6578.shtml

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Reply to ASP
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 24, 2009

Ricardo: I don't know from which perspective you are writing your comments, but here is what I posted on the ET forum regarding a person who wanted me to stop writing about Israel. Here is my reply to that person:

"You are trying very hard to stop me from puting the spotlight on the fact that the United States has been supporting Israel all these years a position that it is going completely against the self-interest of the United States on that area of the world.

And some day the American people will start questioning why for this US blind support for Israel all these years, and all the real costs to the United States and the American people?

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any body have any doubts how a sensual life style would be received in iran?
written by asp, November 24, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11...ml?_r=1&hp

of course for punk bitches like sage, the perfumed whiz kid educated used car salesman,this is just a "zionist schill" news paper
Imagine the signal the US would send were it even to abstain.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, November 24, 2009

November 24, 2009

Ricardo: I wonder if the United States is finally waking up regarding the real self-interest of the United States as a nation in the Middle East.

Quoting from today’s article on the Financial Times (UK): “His implicit comparison of the “intolerable” situation of the Palestinians under Israeli “occupation” with the struggles of African slaves in America and South African black people under apartheid surely signalled to the irredentist right in Israel and their allies in Washington that they were dealing with someone who means business. This was language seldom heard from an American leader.

Vital to that alliance is US support in the UN Security Council, where it has cast 29 vetoes to shield Israel from condemnation for its actions in the occupied territories. Imagine the signal the US would send were it even to abstain.”


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“Obama still has leverage over Israel”
By David Gardner
Published: November 24, 2009
Financial Times (UK)

Has Barack Obama made a hash of his Middle East peace diplomacy? That seems to be the verdict of international commentators and – more to the point – of Palestinian leaders in despair at ever getting their own state and an Israeli government exulting that it made the US president blink first.

Yet, it is worth stepping outside the hothouse for a minute to examine whether it is that simple: whether Mr Obama will be content to see his ambitious strategy of reconciliation with the Arab and Muslim worlds held hostage by the obdurate obstruction of the government of Benjamin Netanyahu.

In his rapturously received speech at Cairo University in June, President Obama started a new conversation in and about the Middle East. Publicly restating what he had just said privately in Washington to Mr Netanyahu, whose rightwing coalition refuses to rein in colonisation of Palestinian land or push a two-state solution, Mr Obama made the ultra-parsed statement that “the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements”. When he told Israel that “part of being a good friend is being honest”, the country’s political elites got an inkling that decades of double-talk on the conflict with the Palestinians were over. When he added that “just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s”, any remaining doubts were surely dissipated. Weren’t they?

His implicit comparison of the “intolerable” situation of the Palestinians under Israeli “occupation” with the struggles of African slaves in America and South African black people under apartheid surely signalled to the irredentist right in Israel and their allies in Washington that they were dealing with someone who means business. This was language seldom heard from an American leader.

…The settlers now number close to half a million Israelis, including those in east Jerusalem. The system of segregated “bypass” roads, some 600 military checkpoints in an area the size of Lincolnshire or Delaware, and the “separation” barrier that cuts deep into the West Bank, foreclose on any practical possibility of a self-governing Palestinian state.

It may be that this archipelago of Bantustans means the dream of disentangling the Holy Land into two states is over. But there is no other viable option – for the Israelis or the Palestinians. The alternative is to sleep-walk into a bi-national entity that would undermine the foundations of a democratic Jewish state, with the Palestinians’ quest for equal rights taking on the appearance of the fight against apartheid in South Africa. Will Mr Obama simply let this happen?

He clearly sees it as in Israel’s long-term security interest and the US national interest to reach a fair settlement of the Palestinian conflict. He also sees how the problems of the region have become interlinked – especially since the invasion of Iraq enhanced Iranian influence and sank America’s rep**ation deeper into the mire – and how an Israel-Palestine deal could start to reverse that. But as US president he holds some cards.

Israelis have a record of turning against leaders who place the vital US alliance in jeopardy: Menachem Begin learnt this, Yitzhak Shamir learnt this and so, to a limited extent, did Mr Netanyahu, when he was voted out of office in 1999.

Vital to that alliance is US support in the UN Security Council, where it has cast 29 vetoes to shield Israel from condemnation for its actions in the occupied territories. Imagine the signal the US would send were it even to abstain. Or, better still, if the US and its allies took a blueprint for a two-state solution – the outlines of which have long been clear – to the council and voted it through. This game is not over yet.

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you were wrong about the demonstrations, r amoral
written by asp, November 24, 2009
that is what i said to you. the tv showed in brasilia alone that there was a definitive presence of demonstrators , not like the scenario you painted.....

like ive said, i hope brazil can do better than the usa in mideast peace process

but just because any one points out that there is a complex situation in the middle east and that there are fundimental islamic terrorists ready to send in human bombers and send missles to attack, is then portrayed as a zionist schill is plain bulls**t..so dont misunderstand my position

im for a palistinian state and im not happy with the brutal responces by israel....but islamic fundimental terrorists are pond scum and anyone who thinks im a zionist schill for that can totaly kiss my ass, which i dint say you said, but if you think that then you know how i feel

and you were wrong about the demonstration i saw it on tv and you are in jersey looking at pictures....

and fundimental islamics and islamic states consider you and i and brazil indifels in the long run, not thinking muslim people who have a handle on the situation...and f**k all religous fundimentalists, they can all kiss my ass...i hate the abortion bombing christians as much as fundimental suicide islamic bombers, as well as orthodox jews who hate all arabs to death
Driving out the mullahs
written by Feslen Stark, November 24, 2009
The fight in Iran right now, today and every day, the daily demonstrations, is to free Persia of Islam, the mullahs and the Islamic state. Persians consider help in this fight from a foreign country whether it is Brazil, USA, Israel an act of war, they want no interference or support, they can do this themselves as Islam is a dead corps in Iran. So that is not my point, but consider the continued legitimization of Ahmadinejad, from the Persian point of view.
Felsen Stark
written by João da Silva, November 24, 2009
The fight in Iran right now, today and every day, the daily demonstrations, is to free Persia of Islam, the mullahs and the Islamic state.


Half assed analysis. I agree that the Persians want to free Persia from the Ayatollahs and make it secular again. They are no different from the young Israelis who want to get rid of the "Orthodox" Jewish old farts and the rabid "old" and cold "Warriors" like Ariel Sharon & CO. If anybody has followed the Israeli politics, since the founding of that "Jewish State", he/she would discover that the same old people are the movers and shakers.A bunch of grumpy old men.

At least America has a new leader that represents a generation of "New Americans". If I recall correctly, Ahmadijenad is from the newer generation of Iranians who had enough of the bulls**t of the Ayatollahs. I dont think he wants to restore the "peac**k throne" to sit on, like some of the "caudilhos" in our continent want for themselves, thus creating dynasties. Indeed, Brasil is doing a wonderful job of trying to intermediate the peace in the Middle East, though I wonder to what extent our diplomats are going to put up with the s**t from the Rabis, Ayatollahs and Mullahs. One has to remember that the Brasilians are very secular and do not want the religion to be shoved down their throat.

BTW, you don't have to "drive out" the Mullahs or Ayatollahs or Rabis out of their respective countries. Just send them back to the seminaries and request them politely that their business is religion and not politics.
João da Silva,
written by Feslen Stark, November 24, 2009
I believe you when you said you agreed that the Persians were trying to free Iran of the Ayatollahs. Beyond that, the other issues of politics and certainly Brazilian policies, USA, Israel, even the middle east in general, I do not want to debate. I just wanted to make my point and inform as the focus obviously is on broader issues and not so much in regards to the Persians themselves and their present struggle. Give yourself some time though to fact check your opinion about Ahmadinejad, You'll find the opposite of what you believed you heard is true.

Felsen Stark
written by João da Silva, November 24, 2009
Beyond that, the other issues of politics and certainly Brazilian policies, USA, Israel, even the middle east in general, I do not want to debate.


Fair enough and I respect your reluctance to debate. However, I think that if the Persians want to get rid of Ayatollahs, they have to do it themselves and not with the help of external powers acting as "catalysts". No attempts by the U.S., Israel or European powers to bring about a "regime change" there. This will end up in another big "cagada" as we say in our language.
asp
written by sage, November 24, 2009
you sound very brave from behind a computer keyboard, you are nothing but a s**t for brains piece of white american trash (or some anglo-asiatic mixed breed).

how was a monkey like you allowed into brasil I dont know. what contribution can someone like you make to the brasilian economy - w/o an education, no pertinent skillsets, capital, professional work experience (other than being a soft c**k for the us military killing machine). you probably sit in a stinking hole somewhere, unshaven, unshowered, cross eyed, pot bellied, flat footed w/ fetid breath pretending to be some kind of wise man w/ experience - my ass! your 'experience' is about as useful & pertinent a tits on a c**kroach.

btw, what does asp mean - absurdly shrivelled penis?

i nailed you down for what you are, you prejudiced, closed minded, fundamentalist, whacked out little monkey. i so enjoy playing marbles with your pee sized brain. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

hope this response really lights up your christmas tree. smilies/grin.gif
flattery will get you no where , sage
written by asp, November 25, 2009
and doesnt alter the fact that your fast and loose used car salseman facts ,and how you tie it up with mind boggling bafoonish logic like 6 people hanged for demonstrating is equal to executing convicted murderers, are just word vomit along with your constant bulls**t references to "zionist schills"....besides trying to diminish the horrendous elimination of millions of people by the nazi's,equating it with shooting wars

you are an embarrasment to higher education

oh , but please do tell us all about your background, your great contributions to brazil and where you came from

i can produce various news paper articles that demonstrate i was invloved with organising several benifits for charity events over various years...

but the truth is,the only one on this forum who has shown any extended invovlement for making things better in brazil is adrian erik, who was consuling youth in bangu...what the f**k are you doing?

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written by Just passing through, November 25, 2009
Wow, this ASP fellow is one freak away from a stroke. My guess is he´s American. As for the Ricardo fellow. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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just passing through
written by sage, November 26, 2009
yes, it's pretty obvious, asp is a brain dead american & probably with a criminal background (too much agent orange) living illegally in brasil. the federal police are now on the look out for him. he's not worth the time of day. i enjoy needling him & get a kick out of imagining him foaming at the mouth like a mad dog with every blog response he doesn't agree with. smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
asp
written by sage, November 26, 2009
try brushing your teeth with a toothbrush instead of that wart infected middle finger you use. given that said finger resides in a dark place when not used to brush your crooked teeth, probably explains your foul language & fetid breath. smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
yeah, sage ,im on the run.....
written by asp, November 26, 2009
but as long as you play the insult game which you started and cant handle when i shatter your weak arguments tainted by your agenda, ill just have to continue to bitch slap your ass around this forum...get out of my face , bitch and i wont jump on your weak ass arguments everytime

you just dont have the guts to reveal where you came from and what your story is, how you reached your conclusions and why your unatural obscesion with "zionist schills", which you have erupted about on three or four threads including acusing the brazilian press being infiltrated with them.....

you hear that every one? this mother f**ker is even acusing the brazilian press of being infiltrated by zionists or zionist shcills...if that isnt ridiculas paranoia i dont know what is

just passing through....like i give a flying f**k what you think
asp on the run
written by sage, November 26, 2009
so you are an illegal alien in brasil, probably with a criminal background & possibly an army deserter.

you sound very brave behind a keyboard, but most jackasses like you with iq's of 20 are that way & oh so very childish...retarded or is it mentally & cognetively challenged. anyways i'm trembling at the knees smilies/grin.gif

keep writing, you need the mental & finger exercise. i get a kick out of playing marbles with your pee sized brain. smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
whos playing who...
written by asp, November 26, 2009
its been my pleasure to show how f**ked up your logic is with your used car salesman aproach to world history mixed with your abnormal obscesion with zionist schills and zionists...finding them in every nook and corner...

every one here knows where i came from and what im about, but you are the real bitch hiding behind the key board and dont have the guts to tell where you came from....i guess you bring a lot of baggage to the table

what kind of a business man plays loose and slimy with facts mixed with bull s**t....i wouldnt trust you as far as i could throw a bus, who did you f**k over in your business today ?
sage
written by João da Silva, November 26, 2009
asp on the run


No he is not. It is all your imagination. He is on my side and together we are strong. We intend beating the s**t out of unruly mob in this place, with the help of Islamic Revolutionary Guards (at my request) and Delta Force (at his command). If you think that there is no problem of violence in this part of the country, induced by FARC, Abadia & the likes, you are absolutely mistaken.

I don't know where you come from, Sage, but I think that you should be very careful with the folks you deal with. Take my advise or leave it. Its up to you.
yeah, saddle up old bones ........
written by asp, November 27, 2009
lets go fight some crack dealers...
good read if you like you freedom P1
written by Forrest Allen Brown, November 27, 2009
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

P2
written by Forrest Allen Brown, November 27, 2009
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
P3
written by Forrest Allen Brown, November 27, 2009
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a danger greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe, American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdZgojOFI




Forrest
written by João da Silva, November 27, 2009
Hey Forrest, where have you been? Good to hear from you again. BUT....BUT...instead of reproducing the 3 part article written by someone, you would have done us all a favor by posting Greg Knox´s open letter!! Let me make some brief comments:

I come to America with a mission.


Who has come to America with a "Mission"? Shimon Peres or Madoff?

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin.


Well done for the French. Who asked them to elect Sarko.? BTW, didn't Sarko´s grand parents emigrate from Czechoslovakia? The French always held disdain for all the "Non-Europeans" regardless of the religion of the countries they colonized or tried to. Now it is the pay back period and they are crying wolf.Probably, the French want the Americans to save their asses again. In fact, France being another "catholic" country, they should first consult the Pope as how to get rid of the Muslims.

But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages -


While I am not disputing this statement, I do question the about the "several marriages" restricted only to Mr.Mohammad. What about that Sarko? What about all the LatAm leaders? These guys can produce hundreds of illegitimate kids and dump on the honest and hardworking Tax payers?

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives.


It was so obvious from the first sentence of his article that this wimp has never been to the battlefield. He has come to "America" to recruit unsuspecting Americans to fight the Mohammedans. Typical European mentality. When in trouble, cry over the shoulders of the Yanks.Or piss on the Brasilians and call them cowards for not sending their troops to rescue them. He seems to be one of those who are too afraid not to fight, but perfectly willing to send others children to do so.

BTW, the lawless gangsters that ASP was referring to are not Muslims, but "Christian Soldiers" armed with AK-47s and RPGs and can easily bring down the choppers of our PMs. There was a cop in our town who was just one year from retirement and was killed by such "pious soldiers" a month or so ago. ASP must be able to fill in more details smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
asp/ape
written by sage, November 27, 2009
let's see parsing thru your primitive discourse the words that keep recurring are b***h & f**k. It would be interesting to have you subjected to a freudian psychoanalysis & study the results. it strongly suggests you've spent jail time in the past as some big black man's b***h smilies/cheesy.gif

'its been my pleasure to show how f**ked up your logic is with your used car salesman aproach to world history mixed with your abnormal obscesion with zionist schills and zionists...finding them in every nook and corner...'

all you have done is make an ass of yourself! smilies/grin.gif

you also have a propensity to make terrorist threats from behind your computer keyboard. your data & whereabouts have been forwarded to the the us fbi & brasilian federal police. you can expect to be deported shortly. smilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, November 27, 2009
your data & whereabouts have been forwarded to the the us fbi & brasilian federal police. you can expect to be deported shortly.


It is a wishful thinking to say ASP would be deported. He has friends in very high places. smilies/wink.gif
well gee , welcome to the forum , sagy
written by asp, November 27, 2009
you fit right in with your conjecture hindsight used car salesman slippery as grease facts manipulated to your own special agenda

firing away in your hidden cyber space , and you are differant because you have no guts to come out and tell us where you are from .

most people on here we know enough of their backgound to know where they are coming from...but you really are concerned about your background not coming out...but your obcesions sure come out...

man thanks for giving me a chance to pick the brain of people who think like you , and see your weakness...its been a pleasure....

be my guest to send the pf

samual wilkenson
4845 caminho de paz
marezias , sp
joao, i kind of remember that incident .....
written by asp, November 28, 2009
but there is so much daily strange violence and crack busts that has invaded here in the last 5 or 6 years , that it is hard to keep up ( i could have been out on a business trip also)....

the escalation of violence is a reality and shocking...

places that were once extremly calm with occaisional reports of violence or drug busts ,have become festering open sores that wont go away or heal

i can only hope it wont come crashing through our front doors
asp
written by João da Silva, November 28, 2009
joao, i kind of remember that incident .....


I vividly remember it and the cop who was killed was known to a friend of mine. It was so sad that a devoted professional was brutally exterminated by a bunch of young thugs.

i can only hope it wont come crashing through our front doors


Dont hope too much. Last night a BOPE member was shot and wounded by the "warrirors", just a mile from where we live. I know that in both incidents, the criminals would allege "Police brutality" and be declared "Not Guilty". smilies/angry.gif
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written by usa_male, November 30, 2009
Hey folks, i read they are going to build a Disney world in Tehran. smilies/grin.gif
Thank god not in Brazil. why? We need you Brazilian tourists here in Florida, anywah don't go to Iran, spend your money here in Florida smilies/grin.gif
That's our "magestic" president
written by Renan Oliveira, December 03, 2009
I'm brazilian and I don't agree with some (almost all) attitudes of "my" president. Here, before he achieved the presidency, we use to call Lula as "Lulinha paz e amor", kind of "Little Lula Piece and Love".
That's because when he was trying to win the poll he was always saying that the Brazil is one of the greatest Nations in the world and it would be better if we start to be independent both economically and mentally from the "Rich Nations" and starting this process of independency making new alliances around the world. The idea was awesome, but, if it were executed as it meant to be. To be a "free nation" as he used to proclaim our nation doesn't need to open a smile for every single nation in the world.
But that's all tha Lula knows to do, to smile for everyone, here we are concerned about some politicians that were filmed and the videos show them receiving illegal money. And our "beloved" and "Super efficient" president said "Some images doesn't mean a thing, we must wait for the investigation and the justice to be done".
GOD DAMN!!! That's why I'm here to say to the whole world: Don't worry when you see our president talking and shaking hands with some maniac, dictator, or even a nazi, he simply doesn't know what he's doing, and don't have any idea of how bad thoses things looks to Brazil worldwide rep**ation.
To end my long comments, what we should expect from a man that became president without finishing the basic levels of our education system?
Shame on you Lula, I hadn't voted for you, and I realy don't understand how you won 2 elections.
Beware the USA its against Gods laws
written by lejos del usa 6, December 09, 2009
If you have resided in the USA you know how strong is the influence of USA jewish residents--no USA politician dare to quesiton their political activity--no group should be immune to discussions as this only leads to suspicion--all the top USA jewish politicians are pro homoesxuals--pro lesbians & pro feminists-- examples-- Charles Schumer-- Diane Feinstein-- Barney Frank --[himself a homosexual} Gloria Allreds--Barbara Walters etc-- I myself asked a USA jewish resident what would Moses say about this?? he reply " there was never a Moses" & this guy was JEWISH--It is most important that Brazil maintain its own independent status-- & not be a slave to the USA--I always tell people regarding Brazil--- Brazil is a Christian nation-- that try to follow Gods laws-- which is why abortion is illegal in Brazil-- while in the USA abortions are common & easy to have--which is proof the USA is not a Christian nation-- Christians no longer dominate USA-- this makes USA a dangerous nation to emulate -- BRASIL__MUITO OBRIGADO POR SU ALMA en VENEZUELA NOS HAY RESPETO POR TI_--DIOS ES SU ALMA OLVIDARE COLONIAL EU Y ESTA HISTORIA CONTRA DE DIOS__ CON ABORCIONES__FEMINISTAS__ MARIPOSAS Y VIDA CON EL DIABLO-- en EU AHORA __HOMBRES TIENES "ESPOSOS" DON"T FOLLOW THAT USA it is BAD CONTRA DE DIOS--If you are Jewish remember Moses & respect his respect for the laws of GOD AMEN
with freinds like that , who needs enemies...
written by asp, December 12, 2009
you go lego, really cool...........lucid.............
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written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Ricardo A: Although I disagree with many of your comments here, I would agree that the US is pursuing a policy of supporting Israel without pursuing equal support for the Palestinians. Obama has clearly made gestures to signal to the Israeli's that the US will not support every and anything the Israelis do. He is interested in a Palestinian homeland, with full authority given to the Palestinians. I am American, and I want to say, that despite your characterization of Americans, not all of us are fully behind some of the cruel and insensitive treatment of the Palestinians at the hands of Israel. Even many Jews in the US (especially progressive ones) are highly critical of the miitaristic zionistic practices of Israel. As you mentioned, such practice is not in the interest in the US, but something greater than our self interest or Brazil's self interest should guide our relations with other nations. We should oppose the tyranical practices of both Iran and Israel when necessary. While in contrast to you, I think Lula looks shameful in hugging a tyrant like Ahmadinejad who at this very moment is ruthlessly beating, torturing, arresting, and murdering the majority of its people who taken to the streets to protest the rigged elections and his tyranical practices. And just because the US supported the tyranical Shah beginning in the 1950s, this does not justify Lula doing any such thing today. Hasn't Brazil and the rest of the world learned from the US? We wrongfully supported the Shah, and we have reaped the "blowback" or consequences of this mistake even now. But the US has changed quite a bit from those days: progressive constituents in the US have increasingly demanded more democratic and transparent relations with other nations. While we have discontinued the heinous practice of supporting dictators in South America, Brazil seems to be showing its own authoritarian streak by overlooking the repressive practices of Chavez as well as Ahmadinejad. To liken the protesters to "grumbling soccer fans" is insensitive and disrespectful to all the brave Iranians fighting for freedom and spilling their blood on the streets of Iran at this very moment in opposition to this ruthless tyrant. As an American, I praise their courage, and I look forward to a day when our nations can heal the wounds of the past. Lula is clearly on the wrong side of history on this. He once posed as an advocate for the downtrodden and poor, but here he is befriending a tyrant, seemingly for the sake of some short-term economic/strategic deal.

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