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Faced with São Paulo, Brazil's Poverty and Loneliness I Cry Myself to Sleep PDF Print E-mail
2009 - December 2009
Written by Carmen Joy King   
Monday, 21 December 2009 20:57

São Paulo, Brazil, at night Last week I decided to write a list of top ten "best" things about Brazil because writing a top ten "worst" things would seem cynical; after all, we're headed into a new year and reflecting healthfully about the past encourages optimism and hopefulness about the future...

And there's another reason too: you could call it white, middle-class, liberal arts degree, first world guilt. A nagging feeling that any and all criticisms I observe about Brazil are a direct result of my over-educated, over-analytical upbringing conveniently observed from up here on my throne [a commenter called me a "hippie (...) who didn't understand THE ROAD TO PROSPERITY" (his caps) but I like to think of myself as a "prudentist": everything in moderation.]

And as it turns out, I'm not sitting in a political science class anymore and can confidently write that as a ten-year plus traveler, and not a tourist, I've allowed myself the full range of experiences that accompany long-term sojourns and with that investment of time, the right, as it were, to evaluate a place for good or bad has been earned. Plus I never purported to be an expert, I'm expressing how I feel.

Recently, on Fridays, my husband and I have been celebrating the beginning of our weekends with wine-du-jour paired with an appropriate cheese, a nice salad, and usually a baguette. We sit on the balcony facing each other, wine and food between us, talking about our dreams, the amazing year we've had, how happy we are...(c'mon, we're newlyweds!).

This week we were feeling especially jazzed up because of the impending Christmas holiday week beginning on Tuesday and felt like finding a bar or club to dance at. This is actually the second consecutive weekend we've wanted to go out and hear some live music and/or meet some new people.

Last weekend we had the same idea, scoured the web a bit for new venues, then gave up once we'd had too much to drink and were feeling love-happy and sleepy. This weekend however, we were determined to be social and though I wouldn't say I expressed this explicitly at the time, there was a part of me hoping to find my "people" somewhere out there in this city. A haunt. A place where everybody knows your name. Maybe even just some members of my tribe.

We got in the car around 11 pm and decided that we would hit up three areas of the city: Pinheiros, Vila Magdalena, and Consolação and see which of them begged our company. Within the first fifteen minutes of the drive, cruising around Pinheiros, an area which houses the city's rich, predominantly white population and some nice restaurants and bars, I spotted a large group of rich hipsters lined up outside a nightclub dripping in the latest fashions and smoking; sprawled out beside them was a similarly sized group of homeless people, including some women and young children.

The moment I glanced the group of street sleepers, a woman, likely in her thirties, sat up from her sleeping position on the sidewalk and hacked into her dirty blanket. We drove on. Our conversation turned to "the situation" here - a topic we often visit without conclusion because it's a conversation that's impossible to conclude.

We continued our analysis of "the situation" (...what is "the situation" exactly? it's the plain, visible fact that hundreds of thousands of São Paulo's residents are very poor and the other percentage of the population is significantly richer, and we're not talking about the rich as millionaires, we're talking about the rest of the people that aren't poor. The figurative space that a Brazilian poor person sees between themselves and a "rich" person is fields long, unchangeable. It's desperate and divided...) and as we talk about it, I get angry; that visceral, unstoppable anger that makes the face hot.

And it's not exactly the poverty problem that's bothering me, it's the idea that a person can live in a city of 20,000,000 people and not belong. It's that there can be this immense concentration of resources, but nowhere to turn; great city streets filled with tiny, individual empires and no one interested in what's happening nearby. 

And maybe I'm just in a bad mood, feeling friendless, and realizing that big cities are the loneliest places in the world. Maybe it's just that cold, hard fact. It's not São Paulo, or Paulistas, it's simply the nature of the organism.

At any rate, I don't want to keep looking for fun. I tell Marcelo that it's stupid to go out and try to fit in. I tell him that we don't fit in anywhere here. I ask him to go home. When we get home, I cry for a long time.

I cry for all the lonely people. I cry for all the people in their towers, in their traps, caged in walls of ignorance. I cry for the people in poverty stranded across the impossible plain of class that they will probably never cross. I cry for myself because I don't fit in.

I cry until my head hurts and then I sleep.

Top Ten Best Things About Brazil

10. Traffic- Que? Huh? Yes, I know what you're thinking, the traffic in São Paulo is a nightmare! Well you're right, it sucks. But I love how fast and unruly the drivers are here: Lanes are a luxury, lights are an option and speed is a must. This is real driving and it thrills me. Now if only the streets weren't so jammed...

9. Rules Are Made To Be Broken- there's always room to bend the Brazilian rules and while this can also be infinitely frustrating, I find it very un-anal and liberating.

8. Service In Clothing Shops- the pretty ladies bring you a beverage, other styles they think you might like, stick to you like white on rice, and lie through their teeth. Perfect.

7. Valet Parking- every mid-level to upscale restaurant here has valet. It's so awesome to pull up to a place, have your door opened for you, and go straight inside to drink your beer without the hassle of finding a parking spot on the crowded street.

6. Service in Restaurants, Bars and Padarias - No annoying chatter from the server, beer is always fresh and fast, food is served right onto your plate in a pizza place, and NO TIPPING. Padarias alone should become an international phenomenon: all day reasonably priced, delicious food, and you can linger there as long as you bloody well like and no one will drop a bill on your table.

5. Pizza- the pizza here just simply kicks the entire pizza world's collective ass. It's almost always forno-baked and over-cheesed. My favorite is arugula and sun dried tomatoes. Heaven on a pizza...

4. Cheese - for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I used to believe that a world of cheese was just a dream...n'uh uh!

3. Feiras and Pastel - outdoor farmer's markets on the street near our house three days a week. Pastel - deep fried pastry loaded with meat and cheese and served off a truck. Heaven in a pocket...

2. Manoela! - our wonderful maid whose little hands make our apartment clean and beautiful, whose energy makes it a home.

And the number one thing about Brazil:

1. Marcelo Montenegro Lins- fun, tall, dark, handsome, kind, sweet, funny, beautiful, smart, dreamy, determined, loving, tender and sexy as hell...my husband.

Honourable mentions: caipirinhas, weather, beaches, and Brazilians in general.

Carmen King is a freelance writer and Canadian expat living in São Paulo. You can read more by her here: http://thenewbrooklin.blogspot.com.



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written by Olavo, December 22, 2009
Any 5 million/plus city in this planet operates the same way= millionaires middle class working class homeless. Anywhere, no difference.
FIFA “Player of the Year” award for 2009
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, December 22, 2009

My congratulations to Lionel Messi.

I have been watching Lionel Messi playing soccer since he was 17 years old and played for the Argentinean National Team of under-17.

Today Lionel Messi was the winner of the FIFA “Player of the Year” award for 2009.

He deserves that prize, since there is no question about it today he is the best soccer player in the world.

I go even further in another 15 years he will be recognized as the best Argentinean soccer player of all time - and even a much better soccer player than Diego Maradona ever been.

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written by Jake McCrann, December 22, 2009
Ineteresting read. Thanks. I feel like making some opinionated comment but I am empty of words.

I used to be sad for the people who sleep on the streets. But I am not anymore, and it is not out of ignorance. The Bahians came here in millions and started having lots of children while working construction contracts. They can go home if they want. But they dont. At least in Brasil they have rights, the right to sleep anywhere and people never complain - that balance has been had through violence but its now a mutual understanding. Do not make eye contact with the street sweepers - that is the No.1 trick. If you dont make eye-contact then they can not see you, and also you can not see them.

Do you cry for the pigeons in the street as well? Do you think the pigeons are unhappy and you lament how they miss out on what it is like to be a civilised human?
Poor people everywhere
written by Traveler, December 22, 2009
Try Los Angeles as another example of people sleeping on the street. I traveled by train from San Diego to downtown LA and arrived early in the morning to find a large amount of people just sleeping in the corners of the city. I thought that visiting downtown LA and traveling by train would be nice.
Or Vancouver, Canada, when I visited there I was impressed how many beggars they have and how many people were revolving garbage, in a park I was visiting, looking for cans to sell. By the way, my car was covered with spits day after in a hotel parking place and I think because I had a license from the USA. Would you think that Canadians love the Americans?
Try Portland, Oregon. I saw a huge line of beggars trying to get food in downtown. At least, we can say that they have a place to go to get food from charity, well, when people decide to be charitable otherwise no food or little food. No, I wasn’t there asking for food, I was visiting the downtown with some relatives living there and they showed me their sad reality. Fortunately, I am one of those few Brazilians in the US who are well educated, with an advanced degree and a nice job in a big corporation.
Or try some places in New York City where you would think that a favela in Rio still is a better place (at least is warmer in Brazil). Ah, criminals? Go around during night time and see what could happen to you. You can try that in Los Angeles instead, I was strongly advised to avoid some areas.
Or try this, get in a bus from Chicago to New York, like I did with my brother-in-law, for fun and adventure, and you will find out that the some Americans are plain nasty and sometimes you get a crazy person in the bus shouting obscenities and threatening everyone. The same happen to me and my son in Los Angeles when we decided to take a bus from downtown to the airport to see the city from a different angle and what an angle! This lady got in a bus and she was the craziest woman I have seen in my life and she could not shut one second. She was screening obscenities all the way to the airport. Don't they have a place for those people?
In San Diego, someone happy with the American way of life, went to a parking lot of the company I was working for and opened the gas lids to pour sugar in several cars. If you understand cars you can imagine the damage that caused.
My point is: some guests in Brazil come to this site to show us, Brazilians and foreigners, behold, that Brazil is a very dreadful place to be. Yes, there are many things wrong in our country: corruption broadcasted every day on television, crime, poverty and a deranged system. However, the impression they try to convey is that there are no such things in their countries. But, of course, if you do not go there as a tourist and decide to take a close look the things behind the curtains and you are going to find out that Brazil is everywhere. Isn’t that nice?
We do have a terrible thing in our Brazilian culture. We have not learned how to hide our garbage and dirty clothes like the rest of the world.





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written by Jake, December 22, 2009
"My point is: some guests in Brazil come to this site to show us, Brazilians and foreigners, behold, that Brazil is a very dreadful place to be. Yes, there are many things wrong in our country: corruption broadcasted every day on television, crime, poverty and a deranged system."

At least your corruption gets broadcasted everyday. I would have to say that most Brasilians are deluded about America's democracy. Its totally corrupt and on the verge of civil war.
At least your poor people are generally not mentally ill like America's poor people - and I have noticed here in Brasil an astonishingly low per capita of mentally ill people and obese people. Are you hiding your crazies somewhere?
The frightful thing about poverty in a cold city like London or New York is that many middle-class people are only one bad mistake away from it - and it haunts as a reminder to see people freezing on the streets.

As you say, at least in Brasil if you are homeless its warm.
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written by Jake, December 22, 2009
Also, at least in Brasil if you are homeless you can set up a shack anywhere and it will be a long time before anyone bothers to get authorities to move you on. You can even set up a shop illegally and it will take 12 months before the authorities come. There are even laws protecting you - If you find enough people to do it with you, you can seize any property in the country, set up shacks made of cardboard overnight, move in, and then the landlord has to pay R$5000 per family to have you all removed. (just thought I would explain that to anyone wondering how you get all these favelinhas (little favelas) in the most unusual places like right in the middle of a rich suburb.)

When I visited Brasil in 2006 I considered, "Look, I dont want to maintain this myopic view I have from my western/Australian/American dogmas. This country is different, the language is different, the culture is different even from Europe - This country is REALLY different and its RICH. Yes there are alot of poor people, but the country is filthy rich.

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written by Jake, December 22, 2009
"At least your corruption gets broadcasted everyday. I would have to say that most Brasilians are deluded about America's democracy. Its totally corrupt and on the verge of civil war."

I should add, that most Americans are deluded about the condition of America's democracy too. A good documentary is The War Party by the BBC. Its on google video.
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written by Andre, December 23, 2009
I would like to congratulate you on your marriage and your adventurous spirit for living abroad (I am a kindred spirit in that sense). I can honestly say I sometimes don't feel like I fit in where I live, but that is part of being an immigrant. I do not know if you are living in Brazil temporarily but if you are, I hope you can find sincere friendships that can last you a lifetime. By the way, I like the top 10 list, it is very positive and optimistic as you say and we all need around the holidays smilies/smiley.gif Merry Christmas and Happy new year.
Cold big cities
written by jakob, December 23, 2009
Home is where you find love and respect. Big city or not.
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written by anonymous, December 24, 2009
Hi Laura, thank you for trying to post a criticism of Sao Paulo and Brazil, while also posting some positive things. I lived in Sao Paulo for 2.5 years, and I had similar lonely feelings. I lived in Prague for a year, and I had no such feeling. It was easy to travel the city, make friends, and there was no vast disparity of wealth as in Brazil. My wife is Brazilian, and I love her immensely as you seem to love your husband, so we could only survive our bitter time there through our love. Although we were married, it took over 2 years to get approved to legally work in Brazil. I missed several good jobs and was forced to hang up signs at bus stops, and teach English as a tutor at the University. During this time, we nearly used up all of our savings that took years to accumulate in the US. I probably have far more complaints about my experience than you, since it was even more isolating and dangerous to have a young child there. I recommend that you try to make friends in the USP community. By and large, the community is progressive and more accommodating foreigners, capable of making valid criticisms of Brazil and less jingoistic and scornful of Americans. We lived in an ordinary working class community, and it took almost a year before strangers on the streets said hello to us. Our immediate neighbor in our apartment building NEVER once spoke to us, and just passed us without acknowledging us. The other neighbors said hello in time, but really didn't care to have much to do with us. Despite the stereotype of Brazil as a warm and friendly country, I never found it that way. When you get on a bus, you see the faces of the people, they look sour and scornful, are not open to talking to strangers. My wife said don't take it personally; they are just overworked, sick of their long commute in traffic, or fearful of crime and strangers. I lived in NYC and found it far more open and friendly. Anyway, I made some fine friends and acquaintances in Brazil. As we were leaving the courts were in the process of railroading some innocent American pilot for a crash in the Amazons that was due to the faulty radar infrastructure. And I saw a case of a carjacking which resulted in a toddler being dragged along the street as he was tangled in the seat belt. Both of these incidents made my blood run cold, and made me grateful that I was able to leave the country and return home safely with my son and wife. On this christmas eve, I want to pray for all people in the world who are suffering. I want to wish them all greater happiness, peace, and prosperity. Good luck to you and your husband; it can be a hard lonely place. God bless you both, and the people of Brazil.
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written by Jake, December 24, 2009
"I missed several good jobs and was forced to hang up signs at bus stops, and teach English as a tutor at the University. During this time, we nearly used up all of our savings that took years to accumulate in the US."

diddo buddy. I lost my life savings here trying to organise a business system for logistics which will solve Soa Paulo's traffic congestion. But they would rather have billions embezzeled by crooked politicians promising to build highways to no-where. My system does not need any new highways.
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written by Jake, December 24, 2009
NLP: I shouldn't say, "MY system". Its not. Its OUR system. But I am not going to give it away for free. I want at least 100K/annum out of it for the next ten years.
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written by Jake, December 24, 2009
"When you get on a bus, you see the faces of the people, they look sour and scornful, are not open to talking to strangers"

That is true. There are many reasons for it however and I should probably explain. 99% of the people on the bus are willing to talk but not in that environment. Everyone is scared of what I think should be labeled for what they are TERRORISTS. The PCC. These people will kidnap your children and cut their ears off. The fear of this group has crippled Sao Paulo. But the PCC is not to blame. The people who are really to blame is the hubris of the elite, the upper middle-class, and the way they treat slaves, and have treated slaves. Brasil is short of one revolution.
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written by Jake, December 24, 2009
[NLP: I shouldn't say, "MY system". Its not. Its OUR system. But I am not going to give it away for free. I want at least 100K/annum out of it for the next ten years.]

Why 100K/annum? Because I spent 7 years in a University without any income. Then worked for 5 years and saved up enough capital to invest in a start-up, then came to Brasil and tried to start it up when I conceived the idea in late 2006/early 2007, then gradually lost all my start-up capital on ordinary domestics efforts trying to open the company, find the right house for an office suite, etc and now I am broke, more broke than a mechanic down stairs who has an illegal shop, more uneducated, useless in this world and thinking that there is no use for me here anymore - I should never have bothered to have filled my brain with all the business systems models. I should never have had the foresight that in a year or more would come enough people with 3G cell phones to begin. I should never have bothered with any of this. I should have become a selfish academic studying stars and everything not of this world.
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written by Jake, December 24, 2009
My business system, logistic system does not need a billion dollars. It needs a few good men.

But thats ok. Dont worry about it. Keep driving on average three hours per day.
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
PART 1
Someone told me I should publish it on a blog. You know what will happen? I will end up putting signs up at bus stops trying to pay my bills. I wont profit for years of study and years of considering socio economic models under an elite heirachy neo-fuedilist system and realising at a certain point the politics and corroption and why all my maths models fail and then adjusting and growing and then learning how to defeat not THEM but it, the grid-lock we are in and I will end up on the street if I dont protect my knowledge and demand enough respect to be paid enough to be my own man.

And most of you got here by finding a wife or husband. And sure there are plenty. But I have been too busy for it, to be distracted during that searching phase, and then be distracted during that acceptance phase of having a partner, and being distracted by the partner phase - all of it a distraction for the model I found sitting there and the corruption I had to hoodwink to make sure it would seed. If I have an elevator pitch I will tell you that the elevator would need to break down for 24 hours locking me up with the CEO of the right company.

The problem paradox is that everytime I divuldge the system to anyone I increase the risk that I will never be rewarded for my work.



Part 2
written by Jake, December 25, 2009
Here, I want to show you some of it (and I appreciate the author above and her effort to look positively at traffic and crazy Forumula One driving but it doesnt change the fact that Paulistanos and Cariocas spend on average 3 hours per day in traffic, usually just sitting and waiting):

The following is like me trying to explain the rationale of a CEO. A CEO who is living in the street when he should be commanding a ship.

For Christmas, and in the name of our beloved Jesus Christ I will donate the following. And if you think you know the rest and can rob me of involvement then go ahead and screw it up and rob me and rob Sao Paulo:

Alright, I am going to write about at least 10 pages to you about the city model for Sao Paulo freight logistics. I will have to proof-read it, rearrange it to try make sure it is the least path delivery of this to you. The reason I dont want to convey this to a Brasilian interest is because I know brasilians and they have a dormant hatred of english-native gringoes as "we" robbed them. If I gave them a full pitch they would simply run off with it and leave me in the street begging with no remorse; and see it as a victory over the enlgish-speaking empire - despite that I had delivered them a 2012 solution to save millions of lives and poverty and free a city of its eternal traffic congestions - wouldn't matter. I know the Brasilian mind - the time to get the Brasilian partner is with a working model with some simulation examples - they are lazy AND greedy and will have no idea what and how is running in the background and so will sign up and cooperate.

About the logistics system model which I believe would be successful and by-design only needs a small team of dedication to building, implimenting and monitoring it, while being an enormously active webservice passing alot of transactions for what is comparitively a very simple model build.

The first and real only concern I had about barriers-to-entry was existing courier companies. Finally realised that this system would increase their revenues if anything if not.

I will just divert with a perspective of what I am going to try and convey to you and ask you to trust me for this read below to avoid skeptical criticism as it occurs in your cognition (which is otherwise postiive) until you've completed the read because its very difficult for me to manage a sequence of introduction that can transplant you to the knoll I am standing on where I can point you to see as clear as daylight a blackhole of market force-vectors which if switched on will just suck money up so fast and without any threat to realising it that before any threat could cripple it they will rather have to come in and takeover. And at that point a take-over will be fantastic because the system is alive and established and they wont be allowed to shut it down. STOP. You know how we get extremely simple solutions to what were formerly never considered problems worth considering because they were just a given of the natural inalienable life. One lame example is the microwave oven. When the first person realised it they saw that black-hole of market-force vectors which existed but formerly had been imagined as exagerated Jetson type realities where you have instant food of your choice created out of thin air.

Part 3
written by Jake, December 25, 2009
I can imagine the guys who created Shiply.com. From their marketing propaganda on the homepage - captions like, "Go the Green Way" and so on rather than promote it as "Save on average 50% compared to conventional freight quotes" to me just shows what a pardigm lock they are stuck in. And I was trying to realise how they missed the most revolutionary, to me obvious, advance from their position - that they are standing on top of a gold mine but it never occured to them to test for gold and rather they tried for iron-ore. There is a classic example of that is story
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks...28534.htm

Well the Shiply guy's came up with the idea of trying to fill back-space in their trucks. As they explain, "25% of trucks on the road are empty". And that revelation and solution alone has been lucrative enough for them to become very well known.

What I worry about in regard to competition is that its a black-hole market (a market-solution creation which revolutionises the conventional into the past alone in the history books to remain) and I worry that a company will come in and start something up which is sufficient to be the Ebay of Logisitcs in Soa Paulo (there can be only one), but will give Sao Paulo something which is so typically Brasilian in that it really does things the most worst way things could be done and nonetheless everyone endures it for evermore, until 10 years later they finally work it all out but then are so embedded with 10,000 employees doing what 3 employees could have done, that its systemically/economically unviable to revert....and that is my fear for then my objective will fail.

And thats really the main reason I thought of you in relation to the model I have done. Right now I know that there is no one in a position in terms of Business Systems modeling to impliment the model of such quality as I am because I have meandered it and all its questions for the last 3 years while waiting for the 3G convergence to arrive.

I have no doubt, after confronting this model for two years while observing Sao Paulo and its culture and extant systems, that there is no barrier-to-entry that could be identified as too big for a small dedicated team of builders to easily resolve. Failing to identifying them is the only threat.

The frame-work of the front-office is very slim because it recruits already existing free webservices as the back-offices such as PayPal, Google Maps, Brasilian Gov websites, etc..Nothing significant needs to be built. The front-office is simply conglomerting webservices and putting a user interface to it.

Part 4
written by Jake, December 25, 2009
The reason first that Sao Paulo is an ideal city for a revolutionary logistics solution of the design I am about to describe is because of so many reasons I can't list them all:

1. The average time a Paulistano (person from Sao Paulo) spends in traffic per day is 3hrs.
2. Sao Paulo is the economic giant of South America, the third most populated city in the world, and the second worse traffic congestion in the world.
2. 80% of deliveries in any given city are less than 1kg.
3. Traffic engineers have warned Sao Paulo faces economic disaster by 2012 if a solution can not be found to the congestion and traffic jams.
5. The traffic congestion in Sao Paulo is the No.1 pet hate of any visitor and any Paulistano
6. Road-network redevopment solutions by 2012 do not look likely (impossible) due to corruption and due to the infamously difficult bearacracy, and as such dictatorial legislations are already in act forcing curfew on half the cars on alternate days out of peak-hour. (So the current congestion is still a problem despite half the cars having been forced off the road during peak hours.
7. Peak hour in Sao Paulo is 3 hours and 3 hours.
8. As example it takes 1 to 1.5 hours to get 8km across the city from any direction
9. The radpily growing "New middle-class" Paulistanos (to which 90% of Paulistanos aspire to become) are obsessed with over-spending on their cars, their clothes, and maintaining a social-class image of being a member of the new Middle Class even though they arn't. For this reason they rather over-spend on petrol, tolerate traffic-jams and leaving for work 1.5 hours early to travel just 8km (I kid you not).
10. Paulistanos do not like car-pooling. 90% of cars you see in peak hour are singly occupied.
11. Due to a curious cultural stupidity, Paulistanos believe that driving as aggressively and accelerating as fast as you can and breaking as late as possible to find gaps in the traffic is the way to go. Unfortunatley this group effort jams the traffic even more (as proven in maths models I have seen - regardless, the possibility of changing that culture will never happen.
12. Motorbikes are feared forms of transport for most brasilians but there are 1000s of bicycle couriers will pass you ona 1 hour journey. Two bikers die everyday in Sao Paulo. They drive ride like nut-cases trying to squeze between the lines of cars.

Part 5
written by Jake, December 25, 2009
All this described above consists of 12 million people packed into mostly a 10mile radius area. (I might be off a little there but look at the map of the sprawl below)
Exibir mapa ampliado


The idea of my system is to provide a comprehensive webservice which allows anyone with able body and a mode of transport to become a Courier without needing any of the conventional requisite skills of a courier company (familiarity with routes, times, and paperworks to offer a secure and reliable service, economisation of routes, and economised assignment of jobs with multi-deliveries and routing algorithms etc..)

Maybe I should better start with some anecdotes: I'm looking down into the valley of Morumbi in Sao Paulo here and I know that today there were dozens of people who drove their cars into downtown near a shop I want to deliver a box to. If one of them was a close friend I could have asked a favour and it would have needed them to leave 15 minutes earlier than usual to afford to come and get the box, and then deliver it to this shop. Of course, the shop might not be open when they get to work but then they could waltz it down there on foot at lunch time.

I also know there are 100s of people around here who don't have a job but have a 3G cell phone. And they are going to be sitting around today and make no money. If I could trust them, as in if I knew how to check their CPF, RNE on the internet, make them sign an Freight charge bill-of-ladin they can be held to, and could see that they had already done a similar thing for other people in the neighbourhood before with all good feedback, then I know that I could get them to take public transport and drop the box off for me for 1/3 the price it will cost me if I delivered it myself (losing my valuable time) or if I called a motobike courier company to come and pick it up.

This logisitics system I have conceived is a congruence of existing logistics platforms (google maps), webservices, altready available and ever increasingly ubiquitous in dailey use. Refer to it as the PUD system(pick-up/Delivery) and the users are the Callers (people with an item to ship) and Bidders (people who want to pick-up/deliver the item).

The facade of the operational webservice and back-ground legal frame-works and protocols can be assimilated from Ebay's and Shiply's and MercadoLivre. And the dense programming is avoided by the convenient free availability of all such required web-servers. The only work need be done is to interface all these into the PUD webservice.

Firstly I can explain the voids in Shiply and why they can't/havn't been cooperated Ebay's partnerships as a shipping option. Then I should elaborate on why Shiply will enevitably evolve into more resembling my PUD system (which you can see as a Shiply 2.0) but why it will be far longer before they reach Brasil (Ebay didn't penetrate Brasil and had to take-over MercardoLivre instead, who were operating with lesser success until the marketing machine of Ebay got behind them and cleaned up their image and performance). Then finally I will explain while an effort to erect a model like PUD should focus only on one state and why the best state in the world to try it on is Sao Paulo and how blanket attempts to saturate the country are inhibitive in brasil due to state law variations, border taxes, and overwhelming interstate complications which can be avoided

IF YOU WANT TO READ THE ENTIRE PITCH THEN EMAIL ME AT KOMBIPODE@GMAIL.COM

IF YOU THINK YOU CAN LIFT THIS OFF OF ME AND STEAL THIS LOVE THEN YOU WILL DESTROY SAO PAULO.
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
I should mention that Shiply began in 2008, some two years after I had already conceived Shiply 2.0

I aw the 3G convergence. I saw everyting. Shiply isn't even 3G yet.
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
They can draw on the map the area of Callers you are willing to consider. And you draw on the map your route and an area around it. And all the alreayd established algorithms do the work. This is enevitable. It is enevitable that Sao Paulo will die or live. But I dont see why I am standing here with the solution not for tomorrow but for today and that I have not been able to seed it and get the people to help to seed it.

If this is who I am, useless, then perhaps its time for me to go.

Its all 3G. I saw that part coming. The only cost for all the communications is your monthly period.
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
The problem is not the model. I just dont know how to find anyone to help.

I only hope for a 100K/annum for f**ks sake. Am I special? Well I am due backpay for f**ks sake.

You know what people, I should have become a car mechanic. That way I get paid the day I start learning.

In out current societal model, .YOU have to pay to start learning. Learning what?
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
Let me tell you something. So I went to unverisity right. But if I have a son I will try hook him up with a mechanic and teach him how to fix cars. Because if he knows all that knowledge then he can just waltz about the world fixing cars. You always need a car to get somewhere right?
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written by Jake, December 25, 2009
Like the hubris of the model that a medical doctor is more intelligent than a mecahnic. And that if you are not inelligent enough at school then you have to settle for being a mechanic. Well., a car breaks down more times than your body doesn't it? And half the s**t those doctors tell us is no different to half the s**t that mechanics tell us except that the mechanic in such cases knows he is lying whereas the doctor actuall believes the bulls**t his pharmaceutical company told him to believe.

These things have to change if we are to survive. We can not continue to allow these systems of oligarchy of empire, to continue.
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written by anonymous, December 26, 2009
Jake: Your story is interesting, and as I said, I can sympathize since I lived in Sao Paulo for 2.5 years dealing with endless amounts of bureaucracy, poor job prospects, and sour attitudes against gringoes. I only read some of your post. I enjoy biking and have often lived in towns that are friendly to bikers and have a network of bike paths and streets designated for bikers. I wanted to bike in Sao Paulo to avoid the traffic problem, but the traffic was so intense that I didn't want to be breathing in all the toxic fumes of buses and trucks. Plus, they looked dangerous. As you said, Paulistas have a peculiar style of driving. I hear one Brit describe it well. He said, they drive buses like a teenager handles a motorcycle. Gruesome accidents involving buses and trucks are a common sight on the local news. I never saw so many ghastly bus accidents as I did in Sao Paulo. I thought the country could save millions by simply getting rid of seat belts, and turn signals in cars as well as traffic lights since so many people disregard them or not use them. ; ) I lived near the university, and fortunately I could commute by bicycle without traveling congested avenues. Yet, I limited my bike riding to this area. I should say that occasionally I would bike a few blocks to little nearby shopping district when I needed something from a pharmacy, or Xerox shop. Since we didn't know how long we were going to stay in Brazil, I did not buy a car, but instead took buses and taxis. I lived in NYC and thought I understood congested traffic and packed buses, but the overcrowded buses of Sao Paulo stuck in traffic was like nothing I ever experienced. I suspected that this alone contributed to people's sour closed demeanor. Some poor folks I met would travel 3 hours just one way going to work,l then 3 hours coming home! I was also stricken by the negative attitude towards bikers. Now we live in a small college town which is very biker-friendly. My wife works at the university as a researcher and many of her colleagues (post-docs, grad students, and full professors) bike to work regularly or occasionally. While mass transit in the US is sad compared to its EU equivalent, still I don't see the traffic issues like in Brazil. I was also really surprised to hear so many of the people, poor and middle class, who just took it for granted that everyone should want to drive a car if they had such a choice. I used to drive to the university, to teach English to various students, and in time, some of the security guards were familiar with me. I got enough of an impression from them that they were shocked and disappointed to see an American riding a bike in SP. It seemed to diminish their opinion of me, as if it was somehow embarrassing and undignified for a middle class person to ride on a bike to work. Most of them didn't seem to have much to say to me at all, except for those who would make it difficult for me to enter their building, but occasionally, when I did speak to some, I could see that they thought it was laughable, and that it somehow didn't fit with their idea of Americans whom they assumed were all financially secure and able to afford a car. What they missed was that I could afford a car, but preferred to ride a bike. My wife knows a genomic research whose work has set him up as a possible Nobel Prize winner, and this guy bikes to work. I just have this anecdotal experience to contribute here. I wonder why Sao Paulo does not explore more bike path options. The weather is perfect year-round for biking. It seems ripe for such an option, but there needs to be a shift of attitudes about biking to see it as something fun, health-promoting, not contributing to global warming, wars for oil, or traffic problems.
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written by anonymous, December 26, 2009
Jake: Your story is interesting, and as I said, I can sympathize since I lived in Sao Paulo for 2.5 years dealing with endless amounts of bureaucracy, poor job prospects, and sour attitudes against gringoes. I only read some of your post. I enjoy biking and have often lived in towns that are friendly to bikers and have a network of bike paths and streets designated for bikers. I wanted to bike in Sao Paulo to avoid the traffic problem, but the traffic was so intense that I didn't want to be breathing in all the toxic fumes of buses and trucks. Plus, they looked dangerous. As you said, Paulistas have a peculiar style of driving. I hear one Brit describe it well. He said, they drive buses like a teenager handles a motorcycle. Gruesome accidents involving buses and trucks are a common sight on the local news. I never saw so many ghastly bus accidents as I did in Sao Paulo. I thought the country could save millions by simply getting rid of seat belts, and turn signals in cars as well as traffic lights since so many people disregard them or not use them. ; ) I lived near the university, and fortunately I could commute by bicycle without traveling congested avenues. Yet, I limited my bike riding to this area. I should say that occasionally I would bike a few blocks to little nearby shopping district when I needed something from a pharmacy, or Xerox shop. Since we didn't know how long we were going to stay in Brazil, I did not buy a car, but instead took buses and taxis. I lived in NYC and thought I understood congested traffic and packed buses, but the overcrowded buses of Sao Paulo stuck in traffic was like nothing I ever experienced. I suspected that this alone contributed to people's sour closed demeanor. Some poor folks I met would travel 3 hours just one way going to work,l then 3 hours coming home! I was also stricken by the negative attitude towards bikers. Now we live in a small college town which is very biker-friendly. My wife works at the university as a researcher and many of her colleagues (post-docs, grad students, and full professors) bike to work regularly or occasionally. While mass transit in the US is sad compared to its EU equivalent, still I don't see the traffic issues like in Brazil. I was also really surprised to hear so many of the people, poor and middle class, who just took it for granted that everyone should want to drive a car if they had such a choice. I used to drive to the university, to teach English to various students, and in time, some of the security guards were familiar with me. I got enough of an impression from them that they were shocked and disappointed to see an American riding a bike in SP. It seemed to diminish their opinion of me, as if it was somehow embarrassing and undignified for a middle class person to ride on a bike to work. Most of them didn't seem to have much to say to me at all, except for those who would make it difficult for me to enter their building, but occasionally, when I did speak to some, I could see that they thought it was laughable, and that it somehow didn't fit with their idea of Americans whom they assumed were all financially secure and able to afford a car. What they missed was that I could afford a car, but preferred to ride a bike. My wife knows a genomic research whose work has set him up as a possible Nobel Prize winner, and this guy bikes to work. I just have this anecdotal experience to contribute here. I wonder why Sao Paulo does not explore more bike path options. The weather is perfect year-round for biking. It seems ripe for such an option, but there needs to be a shift of attitudes about biking to see it as something fun, health-promoting, not contributing to global warming, wars for oil, or traffic problems.
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written by anonymous, December 26, 2009
I guess I would also disagree with Laura as well about the driving of Sao Paulo as being somehow fun. I thought the people who were dashing around the high-ways were terrible drivers endanger their life and everyone else's. Just look at the fatality statistics for Brazil. I often felt unsafe and hyper vigilant of crazy drivers walking the streets with our toddler son, so had not romantacism or respect for such selfish behavior. I think they average around 60,000 per year, roughly 3xs as many as in the US, which has far more drivers and cars. Just for a comparison, in 7 years in the Vietnam war America lost close to 60,000 people. Brazilians should find this unacceptable and a cause for dramatic change. Yet, like deaths from crime and other problems, Brazilians sadly seem to learn to live with it all and cultivate a fatalistic attitude, seeing it as natural or inevitable, or not even noticing it anymore. Paulo Friere, the Brazilian scholar and educator wrote extensively on this. Sadly, when anyone who is not a Brazilian points out any of these problems on this blog (as elsewhere in Brazil) many ultra-nationalistic Brazilians attack and insult the person. Which makes me think there is even less hope for change in Brazil.
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written by Traumatized Sean, December 27, 2009
...as a ten-year plus traveler, and not a tourist...


So you're a tourist with a CV. This gives you some deep insight?

We continued our analysis of "the situation" (...what is "the situation" exactly? it's the plain, visible fact that hundreds of thousands of São Paulo's residents are very poor and the other percentage of the population is significantly richer, and we're not talking about the rich as millionaires, we're talking about the rest of the people that aren't poor. The figurative space that a Brazilian poor person sees between themselves and a "rich" person is fields long, unchangeable. It's desperate and divided...) and as we talk about it, I get angry; that visceral, unstoppable anger that makes the face hot.


In Manhattan last week, I saw plenty of homeless people sleeping on church stairs. Of course, that's the only place that they CAN sleep anymore. Rudy Giulani made sure of that so that nice wealthy liberal folks like yourself wouldn't have to face the icky specter of poverty and inequality in America when you drive down 5th Avenue on your way to some brie and cab sauv.

But don't you worry, honey: Rudy'd just signed on to clean up Rio de Janeiro for the Olympics. Soon, we'll learn to do like you Americans do and house our poor in prisons or ghettos far from any middle class eye.

Then your nagging liberal conscience will feel awwwwww better.

In the immortal words of Jello Biafra...

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor tonight

Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night

While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor tonight
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written by anonymous, December 27, 2009
I lived in Sao Paulo, and I always suspected that they had a policy of removing homeless people from the downtown and areas where the middle and upper class lived and hung-out. You rarely see mentally ill on the streets there, which also leads me to also suspect they are institutionalized against their will. Despite common misunderstanding, the mentally ill homeless people common to many US cities are there because strict reforms in the 60s lead to dismantling large institutions that formerly incarcerated mentally ill people. Small neighborhood homes that gave a normal home and life to mentally ill people, who were then able to come and go like most normal people, but one stricture of these homes it that the clients take anti-psychotic and other prescribed medications. Many of the people you see on the streets are those who refuse their medication, often believing that they are not mentally ill. Sadly, in giving them freedom, they have the freedom to sleep under a bridge rather than live in a home! Also while you are critical of Guiiani, I don't think his policies in NYC were as oppressive or evil as people like to characterize them. Read a chapter of book called the Tipping Point for more details on a relatively inexpensive and non-violent strategy that made the city safe for all people, especially the poorer residents who lived in areas over-run by violence. By the way, it was not Guilliani himself who devised the system: he only put it into practice and endorsed it. It is based on a realization that when a neighborhood or area begins to tolerate minor illegal activities and misdemeanors (drinking in public, graffiti, loitering in gangs, playing loud music late at night, begging for money, etc) the law-abiding citizens avoid these areas, and the more criminal element perceive it as a relatively law-less area, which they feel welcome in. Suddenly, new crimes appear: purse snatching and armed robberies, gang fights, violent assaults, open use of heroin and other serious drugs, etc. Suddenly a downward spiral develops and more and more greater crimes (murder, rape, kidnapping) become more common in these areas until every law-abiding resident who can afford to leave, does so, and the area becomes a high-crime rate zone. In NYC, they did something simple and clever: they worked hard to eliminate the petty crimes, in order not to invite the greater crimes. Surprisingly, it worked really well. As I said, the interventions were typically non-violent and preventive in nature: for example, the grafitti on subways, which was a common petty crime that was overlooked, suddenly was a high priority; when a train came to the end of the line station, if it had grafitti on it, it would be taken out of service and cleaned thoroughly of graffiti. In time, such practices led to dramatic reduction in crime. Although Guiliani is a moderate conservative Republican, and I am very progressive and far more to the left in politics, I give him credit for making the city much safer. And despite the comments above, this policy was not just to make the city safe for the upper class, but for the average poor and middle class residents as well. I lived in the Lower East Side before these changes, working with homeless people. In a year or two, the Lower East Side, was a wild-West lawless neighborhood where anything goes: long lines of drug addicts waiting to buy heroin on the streets; gun wielding gang members on the streets around the clock guarding their drug businesses; robberies, assaults, and every variety of criminal activity. They found two dead bodies rotting for months hidden under trash in an abandoned lot behind the building I lived in. In time, under Gulianni, the lower east side became a safe neighborhood where even families could walk. While I am ultimately for a plan that will reverse the vast inequality of wealth in Brazil and the US, this strategy showed that crime could be reversed without reducing poverty. I hope Brazil and Rio have success with this.
blind jingoism only spawns hatred
written by anonymous, December 27, 2009
There are many comments here about how homeless people and poverty in the US is equivalent to Brazil and Sao Paulo. Such jingoistic comments are really common to this blog. I have come to believe that whether it is a jingoistic redneck in the US, or jingoistic redneck in Brazil, jingoism (excessive blind aggressive nationalism) is a force that seriously hinders the progress of humanity. It makes people blind to the troubles of their country, hence, closing off dialogue or any attempt to fix a problem; it cultivates resentment and consequently, hatred and malice to others; it operates in a win-lose, zero-sum model (much like a soccer game) in which nations compete and celebrate when others fail, and place their own interest above others and in which the victory of one nation is the loss of another; and finally it discourages multi-lateral cooperation and the fraternity of all nations and people. Brazil has been striving to be as powerful as the US, and most of the people don't understand why it can't be since they are comparable in size and in resources. Yet, in searching for the answers, many ultra-nationalists replace real thoughtful analysis of Brazils problems with simple envy and hatred of the US. I guess this is easier than the hard work of dismantling the oppression and corruption spawned by Brazilians against Brazilians. While I typically participate in discussions and editorial commentaries in blogs in the US where I often seriously criticize the US for any injustice I perceive there, on this blog, in contrast, I feel more compelled to respond to the jingoistic black-white simplistic hateful demonizing characterizations of the US so common to this site. Basically they can be summarized as: US = Evil, Brazil = paradise. Many of the comments here are lacking in nuance and in depth analysis or understanding of the US, and in serious denial of the troubles of Brazil. To say that the troubles of Sao Paulo are much like any city in the US is a serious denial of reality. For example, Sao Paulo has been repeatedly voted the kidnapping capital of the world, while no American city has ever come even close to such a state. While the inequality of wealth is severe in the US, it is substantially greater in Brazil. And on many other indices of quality of life, you can see the same pattern. This is not an attempt to proudly wave the American flag or say the US is better, this is simply and attempt to begin with a balanced and measured assessment of the problems of each country. Ultimately, I wish for the greatest happiness and prosperity of Brazilians as I do for any people of the world. Also, it is very sad that while many Brazilians are bitter and hateful of Americans, celebrating our recession, being unsympathetic with their hardships and struggles, in contrast, Americans have no such resentment of Brazilians. Most Americans don't think much about Brazilians: they don't blame them for their troubles, nor would they celebrate any of the failures of Brazil. The anti-americanism of Brazil is dense and unwarranted. I once saw shirts for sale in an USP in Sao Paulo open market which had images of the World Trade Towers blowing up, accompanied by insensitive adolescent humor mocking the tragedy, which also included over 30 Brazilians. Brazil needs to take an honest look at its own problems with class oppression, and not simply blame their troubles on the US. This is primarily your own ruling class who have savagely exploited your poor since the beginning of the colonial era.
Bulls**t
written by Traumatized Sean, December 28, 2009
Also while you are critical of Guiiani, I don't think his policies in NYC were as oppressive or evil as people like to characterize them. Read a chapter of book called the Tipping Point for more details on a relatively inexpensive and non-violent strategy that made the city safe for all people, especially the poorer residents who lived in areas over-run by violence.


Yeah, and while I'm at it, I'll be sure to do a read-through of Mein Kampf for a relatively inexpensive and non-violent strategy which made Germany safer for all people. Political propaganda is just sooooooo enlightening.

Rudy didn't quash crime in NYC. Get over it. Crime went down by 50% in Rudy's term but it went down by 30% in DC at the same time with some of the worst mayors immagineable. Kicking the poor out of Manhattan and over into Jersey is responsible for some of the drop. Macro-economic conditions for part of the rest. And let's not get into CompStat, the world's most easily abused crime stats management tool...

Rudy's "broken window" theory has been comprehensivelt debunked by several sociologists. A broken window simply does not cause murders down the road: that's fuzzy thinking at best, an excuse for fascism at worst. What CAN happen is that if you flood the streets with cops and bust everyone on penny-ante crap, then yes, a lot of petty "criminals" (who in many cases are poor people just pissing in the streets and the like) go elsewhere and not annoy you anymore. It doesn't make crime disappear: it just shifts it out from under the feet of rich white whiners like yourself.

And you seriously have the gall to complain about "jingoism" when you vomit out Republican propaganda on "broken windows" to us? Sister, get real! The broken window theory is full of s**t, as you'd know if you read any serious urban soc - or anything at all beyond U.S. Today headlines. Why don't you lecture us about trickle down economics and how they're great for the poor while you're at. Jingoist, my ass!

But hey, chin up, Sunshine: now that SP's imported Rudy's CompStat program, they too have fabricated an illusory crime rate drop. Soon, they'll have those homeless people packed away in concentration camps - I mean shelters - where limo liberals like yourself won't be bothered by them anymore.

Ah, progress. You just gotta love it! smilies/grin.gif
self-righteous hatred that demonizes and dehumanizes
written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Traumatized Sean: your angry response only further illustrates my point: much of the talk on this blog lacks nuance and in-depth analysis. You make references to some studies that supposedly refutes the model used in NYC to reduce crime, but you don't give any real details explaining why. I don't know the details nor the debate surrounding the model used in NYC, if there is indeed one, but your rant hasn't convinced me that the NYC model is flawed. My only motive here was to question your characterizing the reduction of crime in NYC as Guiliani's genocide against poor people. Such simplistic demonizing, black and white hateful rhetoric (Guliani = Hitler) is why so many people distrust the far left as much as well as the far right: too much self-righteous hatred, typically used to demonize and dehumanize people who disagree with you. Such demonizing was the first step of the Stalinist and Maoist before they tortured, imprisoned and killed millions, all of which they justified as it was in the name of some future paradise that never came. Such demonizing has nothing to do with dialogue and finding solutions to real problems. It is egotistical and uncompromising. I will be the first to admit that I clearly don't know what is the best solution to crime. I was only wishing the people of Rio good luck with whatever model they pursue in dealing with a problem that has plagued the quality of life for the people there, both rich and poor. In the case of NYC, I saw how neighborhoods like the Lower East Side, which was formerly a law-less zone where most of the poor people lived in fear of criminals, suddenly was transformed to a viable neighborhood with a mix of middle class, rich and poor. I have heard this about many parts of NYC since the days of Guiliani, and many ordinary people, both poor, working class, and middle class, were sick of the crime, and glad to see the change. Instead of simply stating solid reasons as to why the NYC model is not good, you turn to ad hominem attacks accusing me of being a rich Republican. That's highly amusing since I am neither. In fact, I grew up in a working class family. My father was a construction worker until he was forced into early retirement due to asbestosis. During my teenage years, my family barely survived on government SSI payments for disabled workers, which at the time which at the time was $12,000 a year, or right at the poverty level for a family of four. There were six children in my family. As an adult, I began by doing various low-skilled jobs, and in time, over the years, like many Americans, I have been able to manage claim a shaky tenuous foot-hold in the middle class, but that is the extent of my "riches". If teaching English to the children of migrant farm workers is your idea of rich, then I guess I am guilty as charged.
self-righteous hatred that demonizes and dehumanizes
written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
While in NYC, I worked as a personal care attendant in a hospice for homeless people with AIDS, and I volunteered in various soup kitchens serving homeless people, as well as volunteering to renovate an abandoned building that housed over 30 homeless people. The entire time we worked on this building, we were harassed by drug dealers and local gangs. They repeatedly beat up the people living in the building, and in the end, burned down the building since they saw it as part of their territory, and not a place for people in dire need of a roof over their head in winter. The police at that time had a low presence, and mostly ignored the gangs and drug-dealers, but this all changed under Guiliani. I have worked in various human service agencies in the past who primarily served, poor and disenfranchised people. I am telling this, to let you know that while you claim that I am "rich" and a "Republican", I am in fact neither. Since my teens, I have been always identified with the Leftist progressive politics. I am more interested in the democratic-minded humanist of the Left (Chomsky, Camus, etc), than the dogmatic Stalinists. I guess you need to project such a character on me (Rich Rebublican) to justify your angry self-indulgent ranting. As I said, this site is full of angry hateful views, typically jingoistic Brazilians intolerant of any criticism of Brazil, and your rants fit right in with all this mindless malice. What are you really so angry about? Try to heal that before you try to persuade someone that you have a more just vision of society; there is nothing compelling about angry black- white demonizing characterizations. Especially of people who are natural allies to your cause. While such sentiments are common to adolescents, who see the world as "good guys" and "bad guys", there is far more nuance and gray in the world. While I would never vote for Guiliani, I give him credit for initiating a model that substantially reduced crime in NYC. Now that I gave some of my history, I am curious to know what YOU have done to serve the homeless aside from ranting on this blog. Sadly, I don't have much faith that my words here will have any affect on you, since you seemed to not really closely read my previous two messages.
self-righteous hatred that demonizes and dehumanizes
written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Traumatized Sean: You did not seem to read or register my point about homeless people in Brazil. While living in Brazil, I noticed that relative to the actual number of homeless people in the country, you see very few of on the streets, especially downtown. So, while you rant against Guilliani for moving the homeless out of Manhattan, you don't address the fact that this seems to have been a long standing policy in Brazil for years, far before Rio's consideration of the NYC crime-reduction model. In fact you say, " Soon, we'll learn to do like you Americans do and house our poor in prisons or ghettos far from any middle class eye". In Sao Paulo, I rarely saw mentally ill homeless people on the streets. I also rarely saw developmentally disabled (retarded) folks on the streets, nor handicapped people. My wife, who is Brazilian was shocked to see so many homeless people on the streets in the US. It is not that we have more homeless per capita, but we seem to have a different policy in regards to the homeless. Of course every city is different, some more welcoming than others. And we have more handicapped people in wheel chairs because our streets and buildings as well as bus and transportation system is far more adapted for handicapped and wheel-chair bound people. I don't know why Brazil did not have many mentally ill people on the streets. Yet, I do know from working for years in residential sites for the mentally ill in the US, that many of them choose not to live in these homes where they would be required to take their medications. Such homes were a humanistic alternative to the large institutions that once locked away mentally ill people as in a jail. Sadly, by giving far more freedom and choice to the mentally ill, as well as due to greater tolerance of them, we have an outcome (many homeless mentally ill) that was not really intended. I don't know the policies and practices but I suspect that these people, like the rest of the homeless are not allowed to be on the streets downtown. Anyway, these were some of my points that you seemed to miss with your angry ranting. They are as much questions as claims, but you seem to rather attack than have a respectful dialogue.
self-righteous hatred that demonizes and dehumanizes
written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Traumatized Sean: You rant against the supposed violence of Guiliani, likening his practices to Hitler and Mein Keimpf. Yet, as I mentioned, most of the tactics they employed were non-violent: outlawing panhandling, loitering, cleaning up graffiti, etc.
You seem to be railing against Guiliani for supposedly wanting to import to Rio some sort of "fascist" practice, but in fact, the practices are quite tame and often welcome by the communities where they were used to reduce crime. Also, it seems to be hypocritical to rant about how Guiliani will bring fascist police practices to Brazil, when in fact, Rio has a long history of police and vigilantes actually murdering homeless street children in an effort to terrorize them and chase them from the downtown areas. While NYC police, may have a history of doing honorable as well as disrep**able practices, they have never been accused of systematically murdering homeless children. So, please check your facts before you slander anyone by likening them to Hitler or fascist.
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written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Here is a story you may like from todays' New York Times about how the murder rate in NYC is the lowest since 1962.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/nyregion/29murder.html?hp
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written by anonymous, December 28, 2009
Traumatized Sean: I am including below a quote that I find interesting from the story I mention. This is the greatest reduction in murders since they began keeping records in 1962. I only wonder if it breaks records preceding 1962. I think it is also fascinating that they are reducing homicides, despite rising unemployment and poverty as well as a reduction of the actual police force. Whatever they are doing, it seems reasonable to wonder whether Rio, or any crime ridden city in the world could benefit from such practices, which incidentally, despite your hatred for Guiiani, began under his administration:

"The city is on track, for the second time in three years, to have the fewest number of homicides in a 12-month period since 1962. As of Dec. 27, there were 461 murders; the current record low happened in 2007, when there were 496.

The murder tally has gone down despite a bad economy and predictions that crime might have hit bottom — a notion rejected by the city’s police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly. But challenges persist: With the city facing a $4.1 billion budget deficit, the police force — which has seen its head count reduced by 6,000 officers since 2001 — may have to shrink further." “The mantra of, ‘Do more with less’ is certainly a very important principle in the Police Department,” Mr. Kelly said. “And these numbers show it.”
"Love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal."
written by Traumatized Sean, December 28, 2009
written by anonymous, December 28, 2009

Traumatized Sean: your angry response only further illustrates my point: much of the talk on this blog lacks nuance and in-depth analysis.


Since when does republican party propaganda equate to "in-depth analysis and nuance"? Get real, sister! You wouldn't know "in-depth analysis and nuance" if it bit you straight on your Canadian bacon. smilies/cheesy.gif

I don't know the details nor the debate surrounding the model used in NYC, if there is indeed one, but your rant hasn't convinced me that the NYC model is flawed.


I'm not your personal professor, Buffy. The problems with zero tolerance are well known. I suggest you take a gander at the U. of Chicago's recent take on them for starters. Use a dictionary to get you through the big words, m'kay? (http://pricetheory.uchicago.ed...me2004.pdf)

But really, you have no call to bitch about "lack of nuance" when your only source of information is The New York Post.

That's highly amusing since I am neither. In fact, I grew up in a working class family. My father was a construction worker until he was forced into early retirement due to asbestosis. During my teenage years, my family barely survived on government SSI payments for disabled workers, which at the time which at the time was $12,000 a year, or right at the poverty level for a family of four.

Too bad none of that seems to have served to give you a class perspective. Instead, you seem to think that the law is a neutral affair and that it's application is a just and equal thing. I hope your dad didn't get to see you suck up to the police state before he died. Then again, considering how depoliticized most north american workers are, he probably blamed his difficulties on the immigrants, anyhow, rather than on the corporations that continued to use abestos in construction long after they knew it was deadly.

You did not seem to read or register my point about homeless people in Brazil.

Oh, I did, believe me. I just have a very low tolerance for whiney liberal handwringing, especially when said liberal ends up making the claim that increasing the polioce state violence somehow eliminates or alleviates human misery. Please read my posting of Jello Biafra's "Kill the Poor", above, and take it to heart as a reflection of how I see your "concern" and tears for SP's poor.

Yet, as I mentioned, most of the tactics they employed were non-violent: outlawing panhandling, loitering, cleaning up graffiti, etc.


You forgot to add "sticking broken broomsticks up Haitian immigrant's rectums, etc." How you managed to miss that important bit is beyond me, Buffy.

I think it is also fascinating that they are reducing homicides, despite rising unemployment and poverty as well as a reduction of the actual police force.


Well, when you've got a stats system that allows you to redefine crime at will as something else, that's what you're going to get. SP imported Giuliani's Compstat and reduced crime by something like 30% in a year (a social impossibility, but that shouldn't get in the way of neat manipulations of statistics, now should it?) So, very soon now, crime in SP will also be "nonexistent", just as it was during the dictatorship, through the simple expedients of under-reporting and re-classification.

Lady, are you for real? It's hard to believe that anyone could be as clueless and innocent as yourself regarding how policing works and still be allowed outside alone without a handler.
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written by Traumatized Sean, December 29, 2009
By the way, Buffy, perhaps you'd like to explain to us how panhandling leads to crime? And while you're at it, how 'bout explaining how cuffing and dragging someone off to the slammer for asking money to survive upon is "non-violent"?

Our cops would just LOVE to use those "non-violent policing tactics" you're on about. I guarantee you, you'd never see another panhandler on Avenida Paulista ever again. Maybe floating face down in the Rio Tieté now and again, but hey: that's the price for peace and progress, what? smilies/cheesy.gif
Simultaneous terrorist attacks by the Australian Diggers Regiement against the Jews
written by Jake McCrann, December 29, 2009
Maybe three, maybe four synagoues. That would end the murder.

You can blow them up when they are all empty I would prefer - I know so many gorgeous doods who have a jewish old-school holocaust mothers. But what can they do man? They will be murdered by their own community or even worse told they are traitors. Its up to the Diggers to define the line and with dignity. This Crunalla thing is an international embarrassment and I think all you 'skips' need to go back to school. I know for not one flinch what those Lebos are. And you are a f**king embarassment internationally. And if you want to take me on then put up your name and I will have you f**king killed on behalf of all our diggers who died in WW1 to preserve a name of honour.
DId I make myself clear?
written by Jake McCrann, December 29, 2009
If you so called 'diggers' damn another lebo I will f**king blow your house up with your mother, your father, and all the extended family during your wedding ceremony.

All Diggers sit down right now I am f**king telling you because you have no leader. And you get one, then he can tell you what to do cause you are f**koff retards for falling for this. The lebos understand everything about the jews. You should ask them and they will help you, walk you through it for f**ks sake KNOW THINE ENEMY.

Getting a Pizza
written by Jake McCrann, December 29, 2009
Se voces nao entraga me uma pizza eu vo matre sua filiois e sequestra eleis tem bem e depoise fazer um YouTube como me fazer sexo con sua filio ela so tem 15 anos? Quanots anos in Brasail eu tenta espera atres?

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written by Jake McCrann, December 29, 2009
"blocklists" for avoiding gaming prosecution but there is no raionale to how the game list ended this patsy in Prison?

Jesus f**king Christ Eric I wonder.....

HENCE - Just all out attack.
wow jake
written by Jake McCrann, December 29, 2009
Jak back off man. You re not even forward o the front..
Tame your childish temper tantrums if you want to be taken seriously
written by anonymous, December 29, 2009
Traumatized Sean: I guess your unchecked anger prevents you from slowing down and reading closely: it was today’s New York Times I quoted, not the New York Post! NYC has quite impressively reduced its murder rate to the lowest ever reported since 1962 and all you can do is cry police state. Such silly talk. As I mentioned, I don't claim to know the solution to crime in Rio or anywhere else, and I would be willing to consider a valid critique of Gulliani, but your angry ranting only shuts down real respectful thoughtful dialogue. More importantly, despite making outrageous claims about me being rich, you never acknowledge the folly of your claims, nor apologize, but instead you continue to rant like a pompous know-it-all arm-chair radical, accusing me of liberal “hand wringing”, and you didn't answer my question about what YOU have ever done either in supporting the homeless or in fighting class privilege. While you resort to ad hominem attack, denouncing me as rich, I suspect YOU are the rich privileged one here, since very few people in Brazil manage to obtain literacy except for the privileged. And I also suspect that YOU are very likely to be the typical pampered privileged Brazilian who rants against Americans, but doesn't know how do their laundry or make their own dinner since they are coddled from childhood, living off the labor of the exploited and impoverished maids who serve them. And your arrogance and hostility belies the kind of entitled temper tantrums so common to the privileged. While you continue with the personal insults, you would be more compelling if you dropped such adolescent temper tantrums, and hyperbolic melodramatic rhetoric: all NYC police are violating Haitian immigrants, NYC is a "police state", all North American working class are rednecks who hate immigrants, etc. And while I love Jello Biafra, you seem to quote him as if his exaggerated satire is a literal description of what is going on in NYC: while NYC police are no angels, you overlook the efforts of many good cops of all races there who have worked hard and succeeded in reducing crime in crime-ridden neighborhoods. Also, the only police I have ever read about who literally and systematically “kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor” are the Rio police and vigilantes, who have been repeatedly denounced by human rights organizations, while NYC has no such history. Also, you impugn the segregation of the homeless in NYC, but fail to note that Brazil has been practicing such polices for years, backed up by far more violent measures, (killing homeless children) and all of this was before Gulliani. Likewise, people in poor neighborhoods throughout NYC are generally very pleased with the reduction in murder rates. Also, while helping homeless squatters renovate a building in the Lower East, I saw clearly that the police never harassed or arrested these people for illegally occupying a building, yet it was the criminals that were terrorizing homeless and the neighborhood: drug dealers, and gangs, beat them with baseball bats and other weapons, brandished guns and threats, and finally burned down the building. Again, there is far more nuance and gray here than you acknowledge.
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written by anonymous, December 29, 2009
I recommend you read Camus' Neither Victims Nor Executioners: An Ethic Superior to Murder, not only a brilliant critique of the deadly unchecked reductionistic malice of the Stalinist far Left that killed millions in the pursuit of a future paradise that never came, but also to help you rethink your righteous anger that is not only degrading and dehumanizing to others but to yourself as well. Instead of all the self-righteous anger and ad hominem attack, try to present a more lucid, point, by point, in-depth analysis. You might learn such practices if you enroll in a good school, but not one of those pathetic "colleges" so typical of Brazil where you coerce the teacher to give you high grades despite that you never opened the book to study, but your professors there know that if they give you the low grade you deserve, your rich daddy will ream the director of the college, who will in turn fire the teachers or force them to give you a good grade.
Finally, I am neither a Republican nor a liberal as you claim: didn't you note where I said I am generally more interested humanistic progressive politics advocated by authors like Chomsky, or Camus. Or do you consider them liberals too? I believe in a more radical and equitable restructuring of power and wealth throughout the world than most liberals propose, and whenever provided the opportunity to speak out for politics supportive or aligned with the poor and working class, I have done so. I have been involved in far more Leftist causes, sit-ins, protests, marches, picket lines at strikes, fundraising, boycotts, petition signings, letters to representatives, rallies, lectures, action groups in support of progressive Leftist issues than I care to mention in this brief space. Yet you seem so eager to stereotype me and label me as an insensitive liberal rather than presenting in-depth clear refutations of any of my claims. You can be on the far left, and still understand that crime is a force terrorizing poor communities, yet making such a claim doesn't make you an advocate of a "police state". In regards to you casually stereotyping me: I am neither Republican, liberal, Jewish, Canadian nor a woman as you and other posts here claim. By the way, even if I were a woman, all the misogynistic references to "honey" and "sister" are patronizing and pathetic. More important than finding a good school, I recommend that you seek some kind of counseling, anger-management classes or spiritual help since your hatred of anyone who disagrees with you, is blinding you, leading you to slander, devalue, dehumanize and degrade others, just for the sake of showing you are right. Consequently, I am done with this discussion since after hearing your hateful words carelessly spewed all over these pages, in addition to the other vile anti-semitic posts, I see I am foolishly placing my "pearls before the pigs" while this thread degenerates to the worst qualities in humans, hijacked by the loony hate-filled jingoistic uber-nationalistic Brazilian fringe, as well as nut-case rabid anti-semites: you all seem in good company here: all pumped up on hate, with no interest in respectful communication as the author of the story here displays. I read a study years ago about how people who perceive themselves to be unknown to others in a situation where they will not be held accountable for their behavior will vent some of the most atrocious asocial, selfish, hostile, self-centered unfettered traits, which they would never consider displaying in their normal everyday relations. Road rage is a classic example, where seemingly sane individuals resort to some of the most outrageous angry behavior, including threatening to harm others with a speeding car. The malicious and self-righteous preaching that takes place on this blog is another good example of this phenomenon, hence I am done with this thresd. I dumbfounded by the insane rage and malice, and endless ad hominem attack, hyperbole, reductionistic simple-minded logic, stereotyping and name-calling spewed on these pages. And certainly by now you, "Traumatized Sean" and all the other raving lunatics should be going as well, right? I mean clearly by now they must be worried and looking for you back on whatever planet you come from.
Pwnd
written by Traumatized Sean, December 29, 2009
NYC has quite impressively reduced its murder rate to the lowest ever reported since 1962 and all you can do is cry police state.

Hitler did the same thing, Buffy AND he and Mussolini got the trains to run on time, too, which is something I see you New Yorkers are still working on.

The U.S. is now a police state. Officially. Largest incarcerated population in the history of humanity. This isn't news or a bit of esoteric info, Susie Creamcheese: it's common f**king knowledge.

So yeah, I'll cry "police state". The amazing thing is that you - like so many gringo idiots who shed oceans of tears over Brazil's dilemma - can't even accurately consider your home society objectively. And by the way, I could care f**king less about Brazil's rep**ation. I fully admit that our cops are corrupt murderers. Pointing out that your society is a police straight does not mean I give a flying f**k about waving the Brazilian flag and spouting nationaalist nonsense. You are correct about the PM being s**ts in Brazil. Then again, which nation put them in power for twenty years and TRAINED them? It certainly wasn't Singapore...

I suspect YOU are the rich privileged one here, since very few people in Brazil manage to obtain literacy except for the privileged.

Let me get this straight: you seriously think only two percent of Brazilians are illiterate? Is that what you just said...? smilies/cheesy.gif

Also, while helping homeless squatters renovate a building in the Lower East, I saw clearly that the police never harassed or arrested these people for illegally occupying a building...

Lady, you are so full of s**t. I've squatted in NYC and saw first hand the bulls**t the city put squatters through. I suggest you check out Seth Friedman's piece in third World War illustrated on the death of 8th street squat for a firsthand view of the realities that obviously escaped your ken while you were "helping". Perhaps if you had actually LIVED in a squat instead of just showing up with soup once a month, you'd have a more balanced view of life.

And while I love Jello Biafra...

Jello once told me a story about how he was hanging out in the Gilman Street warehouse when some drunken, slumming yuppie from NYC came up to him and said "Oh, are you Jello Biafra? I just loooooooove your music! Hey, I gotta a great idea! Let's sing California Uberalles!!"

Jello took one look at this speciment, fiinished his beer and said "Great. YOU start." And he left the twerp babbling to themselves.

Never thought I'd meet that person. Isn't the internet wonderful? smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

recommend you read Camus' Neither Victims Nor Executioners: An Ethic Superior to Murder...

I recommend that you READ, period. Because if you think a class-informed view needs must equal Stalinism, then the only reading you've been doing is headline skimming. And the New York Post at that.

I am generally more interested humanistic progressive politics advocated by authors like Chomsky...

...who'd be the first person to point out that you are indeed a whiny liberal wanker.

In regards to you casually stereotyping me: I am neither Republican, liberal, Jewish, Canadian nor a woman... By the way, even if I were a woman, all the misogynistic references to "honey" and "sister" are patronizing and pathetic.

Who thinks you're necessarily a woman, sweetums? I'm patronizing you because I think you're twit and because it's good for the lulz.

But sweet heavens, I didn't expect you to reveal yourself as the dictionary definition of "limo liberal" when I started calling you out on your patronizing, anglo supremacist bulls**t! smilies/cheesy.gif

So here's what to do sob-sister: take your false concern for Brazil's poor and your whining about libel and misogyny and kindly f**k off back to your tighty whitey NY suburb, where I'm sure you'll get all the tea and sympathy you could ever want.
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written by Jake McCrann, December 30, 2009
What they missed was that I could afford a car, but preferred to ride a bike. My wife knows a genomic research whose work has set him up as a possible Nobel Prize winner, and this guy bikes to work. I just have this anecdotal experience to contribute here. I wonder why Sao Paulo does not explore more bike path options. The weather is perfect year-round for biking. It seems ripe for such an option, but there needs to be a shift of attitudes about biking to see it as something fun, health-promoting, not contributing to global warming, wars for oil, or traffic problems."

I wonder why you dont contact me at kombipode@gmail.com so that I can discuss this more. Maybe you know some good contact at the Uni for traffic engineers, programmers etc who really do insist on remaining their lives in Sao Paulo. Because if they do then it just happens that I am brilliant and I have in my palm the solution to traffic congestion in Sao Paulo without any road building.

I am an eccentric anti-social weirdo on the internet. But my idea about a logistics model in Sao Paulo like shiply.com is not. And I only care if someone tries to steal it because I know they will stuff it up.
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written by Jake McCrann, December 30, 2009
I once tried to offer a taxi driver R$5 tip if he would slow down. There were 4 of us in the car. He refused the tip, refused to drive slowly. the fair ended up only being R$12.

I get it. I get it and am sitting on a gold mine, on a cultural revolution and the thing is I am interested in something elses now - Kombi camping.

I love it when educated Brasilian tell me 'you dont understand brasil' - I think, "you dont understand or want to face it slave-master that there is a "new middle class" rising and fast and that your slave-mentality you promote is in its last days in this country unless you want more blood.

I've designed a full shiply.com esque business model which can be seeded in one bairro and will expand to all the borders of Sao Paulo in one year and reduce traffic by 15-30% - sufficient to end the congestion. I am sitting here. I can save and improve the lives of millions of people. I am a reclusive werido with a masters in business systems, a bachelor of science, and a bachelor of chemical engineering from Melbourne UNiversity and Monash University.

I am just sitting here.

Look, continue you 'new middle class' to drive 3 hours per day to get to your work from your house and back which is only 8 km away. Continue it Brasilians and make a f**king fool continual of yourselves and of even me for being such a dumb f**k to continue living in this city of demented morons. Honestly, I thought Americans were demented for starting wars like they have in the last ten years, but Paulistanos are in a league of their own. You start wars internally and accept them as to be.

I know what I have, hence the arrogance. It is only a matter of some entrepreneurs saying, "Go get that Jake McCrann and find out what the f**k he is talking about. If it is real then we will go for it".

I have the solution in my palm. I just dont have the contacts. You can steal my ideas if you like, but if you steal from my pockets I will kill you.
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written by Jake McCrann, December 30, 2009
I conceived SHiply.com before they conceived themselves. On the other side of the world. And when I saw the pathetic miserable excuse for my model they had stumbled across it was an awakening to how brilliant I am. I really am f**king brilliant. But the problem is that I live in a world of monkeys. And most of those monkeys come from the money handlers in Brasil. I would find far more interesting humans down in the Bronz of Paraisoplis than the stupid paranoid fartoff money holding idiots I have come across in the last three years here.

Education? Even the elite here in general do not have an education. Very few. Most of you can't even speak english for f**ks sake.
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written by Jake McCrann, December 30, 2009
I am leaving Sao Paulo in July. And if no one comes to me to help erect this solution then I will be gone and you can rot in your hell traffic and the car-DVDscreen vendors will be delighted because next up is that your latest model cars will even have toilets and bullet-proof glass.
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written by Simone Bolivar, December 30, 2009
You pompous windbags!!!!!
Help with your erection?
written by Traumatized Sean, January 01, 2010
Jake, did you just ask the internet to come to SP and help you with your erection...? smilies/cheesy.gif
Read Camus
written by anonymous, January 01, 2010
Well Traumatize Sean, there you go again. Nothing but more trashy ad hominem attacks, and not single comment of substance about the issue of how the impressive reduction in the murder rate of NYC improved the quality of life for most New Yorkers. Likewise you never mentioned what you have done to support the homeless or fight class privilege aside from playing self-centered self-righteous arm chair radical on a blog? You sound like you are more full of yourself that concerned about the issues.

You say
Lady, you are so full of s**t. I've squatted in NYC and saw first hand the bulls**t the city put squatters through. I suggest you check out Seth Friedman's piece in third World War illustrated on the death of 8th street squat for a firsthand view of the realities that obviously escaped your ken while you were "helping". Perhaps if you had actually LIVED in a squat instead of just showing up with soup once a month, you'd have a more balanced view of life.

Ha-ha! You are pathetic! I DID live in the squat! And it was on 8th St! So I don't need to read someone's book on it! I could write my own! And as I said: police were practically absent my entire year there, while drug dealers and local gangs beat and threatened various homeless people (90% of whom were Black men) just for being in a space that they thought was their territory, hence ultimately destroying a legitimate use of the space. Now, have you run out of idiotic assumptions and stereotypes? New York suburbs? I grew up in a city and never lived in suburb in my life! But not that THAT would make me evil, or worthy of your ugly contempt. Yeah, you seem to invent idiotic bogeymen as you go along. And why? It justifies your childish temper tantrums, and allows you to vent like a raving lunatic, supposedly justifying your malice and attempt to dehumanize others because whoever disagrees with you is supposedly a Republican, Liberal, NYC white suburbanite, or some other evil Nazi like character. You added no substance, only more simplistic black and white characterizations, but you sure shut down a real dialogue, and you still come off as a raving jackass! Like I said, read Camus: you are displaying the singular trait that has turned off so many people worldwide to so-called communist states. They need to invent bad guys and evil characters who project as the enemy of the revolution, and any minor deviance from their own program makes one suspect, and they turn on these people, or anyone else associated with them with rage and malice, dehumanizing them as agents of evil hence justifying arresting, repressing, torturing and ultimately killing them. It's the fascist impulse in the Stalinist Left that left mountains of dead bodies in its wake in the USSR, China, Cuba and elsewhere, all justified by the righteousness of the communist paradise that never comes. And your righteous rants, and demonizing characterizations here resonate with this impulse. Read Camus, and find a spiritual practice. You sound poisoned with hate, and seem incapable of having a sane conversation with any who disagrees with you.

Read Camus
written by anonymous, January 01, 2010
You say
Lady, you are so full of s**t. I've squatted in NYC and saw first hand the bulls**t the city put squatters through. I suggest you check out Seth Friedman's piece in third World War illustrated on the death of 8th street squat for a firsthand view of the realities that obviously escaped your ken while you were "helping". Perhaps if you had actually LIVED in a squat instead of just showing up with soup once a month, you'd have a more balanced view of life.

Ha-ha! You are pathetic! I DID live in the squat! And it was on 8th St! So I don't need to read someone's book on it! I could write my own! And as I said: police were practically absent my entire year there, while drug dealers and local gangs beat and threatened various homeless people (90% of whom were Black) just for being in a space that they thought was their territory. Now, have you run out of idiotic assumptions and stereotypes? New York suburbs? I grew up in a city and never lived in suburb in my life! But not that THAT would make me evil, or worthy of your ugly contempt. Yeah, you seem to invent idiotic bogeymen as you go along. And why? It justifies your childish temper tantrums, and allows you to vent like a raving lunatic, supposedly justifying your malice and attempt to dehumanize others because whoever disagrees with you is supposedly a Republican, Liberal, NYC white suburbanite, or some other evil Nazi like character. You added no substance, only more simplistic black and white characterizations, but you sure shut down a real dialogue, and you still come off as a raving jackass! Like I said, read Camus: you are displaying the singular trait that has turned off so many people worldwide to so-called communist states. They need to invent bad guys and evil characters who project as the enemy of the revolution, and any minor deviance from their own program makes one suspect, and they turn on these people, or anyone else associated with them with rage and malice, dehumanizing them as agents of evil hence justifying arresting, repressing, torturing and ultimately killing them. It's the fascist impulse in the Stalinist Left that left mountains of dead bodies in its wake in the USSR, China, Cuba and elsewhere, all justified by the righteousness of the communist paradise that never comes. And your righteous rants, and demonizing characterizations resonate with this impulse. Read Camus, and find a spiritual practice. You sound poisoned with hate. As I said, control your adolescent tantrums and you may do a greater service to improving humanity, if that really is your intention.
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written by Traumatized Sean, January 03, 2010
I DID live in the squat! And it was on 8th St!

Name the squat, Sunshine.

Because I don't know a sinmgle ex-squatter who makes the claims that you do: that Rudy left the squats alone and that his policies helped the poor of NYC.

Are you sure that when you say "lived in" you don't really mean "once delivered food to and smoked a joint in"?

In anmy case. you're beginning to sound more and more like the defnition of an "old 'enlightened' punk":

After becoming aware that the world will not squat with him in protest towards multinational corporations and/or failing to abort at least one child, the Enlightened Punk decides to throw in the towel and put the college education that his parents paid for to use. At first, it will become increasingly difficult to find work, as squatting and actively seeking to destroy the government doesn't have a reassuring effect on employers. When the Enlightened Punk finally does find work, he will evolve into the White-Collar Yuppie, and the paycheck rat race begins for him. The Yuppie will work for a big company that lets him listen to anti-corporate punk rock on his iPod. He will tone down his political ideology and subscribe to traditional liberal politics; demonstrating this transformation, his minivan (which his home owner's association allows) will be plastered with pro-Democrat and/or anti-W bumper stickers. The Yuppie reminisces fondly of the Ramones to maintain a public-friendly, non-offensive appearance. Desperate to ensure his children will not travel down the same path he did, the Yuppie will always attend the Pop-Punk concerts his children nagged him to go to.

NOTE: The aforementioned will ONLY happen if the Enlightened Punk manages to find a job; if not, then he quits IRL.


My take on you, Carmenzinha, is that your recent marriage to a Brazilian saved you from that last route...
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written by anonymous, January 05, 2010

After slandering me with various absurd stereotypes, (rich, pro-Nazi, Republican, white suburbanite, whose father hates illegal immigrants, and finally Anglo-Saxon ( by the way, my ethnicity is actually Eastern European if that even matters), now your latest "take on me" is that I was an enlightened punk turned Yuppie. The overwhelming problem with this pathetic conversation is that from the beginning you turned it into an ad hominem attack of me, rather than focus on my actual ideas that you disagree with. If you only stuck to the argument and ideas, you wouldn’t sound so pathetic to me with all your blind presumptions about me that are way off the mark. How did your attack become so focused on me, an not the ideas I presented? And now you continue to try to create some degrading image (punk turned Yuppie) of me and then heap scorn and childish insults on me, (Buffy, twit, Carmenzina, lady, etc), and what was the last one, Susie Cream cheese? Susie Cream Cheese? Ouch, that really hurts. You must be running out of junior-high school misogynistic homophobic put-downs. You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel and dating yourself with that one. Yeah, I am middle-aged, but Susie Cream cheese precedes my generation, bro: now YOUR receding hairline and paunch are showing, and combined with need to repeatedly drop Jello Biafra's name as if he is your good friend, it's not a pretty sight: a middle aged guy developmentally arrested in junior high school humor, spewing loopy misogynistic homophobic trash talk. Now, I as far as my experience while living on the Lower East Side goes, I really don't care if you believe me, nor do I care whether any other squatter shared my views nor do I care ultimately what Jello Biafra has to say about it all. He's writing satire, not factually reporting the news. Ultimately, I have my own views, and I am not concerned with square them with you or anyone else. I am not a punk, nor was I ever: in my youth, in my working class neighborhood, punk was never really present: it seemed more something of the disaffected suburban middle-class. I came to NYC in the height of Reaganomics and the explosion of homeless in the US. Although I would have been happier to see a more dramatic social movement fighting against Reagan's war on the poor, I was also content to make a modest contribution through various groups in the city by simply working to feed and house homeless people. My full time job was working in an AIDS hospice for people who were both homeless and had AIDS and I volunteered in a few soup kitchens occasionally. I guess if you have to label me, I was originally influenced by a liberation theology priest who worked in my neighborhood where I grew up. And I see myself aspiring to the modest humanist project that Camus endorsed as an alternative to the all-encompassing communist projects that seemed to invariably lead to a demonizing totalitarian outcome. The priest was a bit of a socialist, but influenced by like Oscar Romero, Paulo Freire, and the Berrigan Brothers, rather than Lenin, Mao, or Stalin. He organized students (including me) to support the UFW boycott, created a homeless shelter and soup kitchen, counseled prisoners, spoke out against class and race oppression in church, and was also fearless in confronting the drug-dealers and criminals who were terrorized our neighborhood.


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written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
Traumatized Sean: Now, as for my time squatting in NYC, like I said, there was lots of gray in that picture, and certainly it’s not going to sound like what you might hear from most of the squatters there. And there is good reason for this. Most of the Lower East Side squats were home to various dropout anarchist/Marxist-Leninist, artists, performers, punks, dancers, hippies, beatniks and a beloved cast of miscellaneous eccentrics, weirdos and wackos. Those squats were generally well organized and preserved and maintained, and even supported by a loose association with each other, especially in facing outside opposition. Then there were more dysfunctional squats: the crack house squats and homes where junkies took over, as well as squats housing random disenfranchised runaways, loners, mentally ill, transient alcoholics and just plain poor homeless folks. Our squat was started by an ex-priest who brought in several homeless guys as he was interested in seeing a squat fully devoted to real homeless people, yet one that was functional and even associated with the others. Hence, we also had a priest who was a drug and alcohol counselor and a no drug policy. I came along a few months after an initial small group opened the place, then came the priest, then came a carpenter who organized work crews who renovated the building. Since all the good buildings were already taken, we were in the most decrepit remaining unoccupied buildings. It needed a roof badly, which we replaced, but until then, when it rained, it had rain percolating down through floors of many of the rooms, leaving much of it soaked and rotting away, and unlivable until we fixed it. In time, we brought in 36 individuals, mostly black men, who just seemed to be inviting in other friends they knew from the streets. And in time, we created a relatively close-knit group, the “family” as we referred to ourselves, as we helped each other out sharing meals, cigarettes, booze, clothes, furniture, etc. We looked after each other’s safety, and had good times hanging out together on the streets or working on the building. Yet, in time, the neighboring drug-dealers turned against us: they were paranoid and they feared we were informers, despite that we covered our back windows with boards so as to not even see them, as well as trying to reassure them that we really didn’t care what they were doing. But they never believed us nor cared that we were using the space to get homeless guys off the streets. They paid the neighborhood gangs to chase us out. They beat several of the guys badly with baseball bats and 2x4s, and they continuously tried to harrass us, brandishing guns, and angry threats. Mostly this had little effect in the beginning when we kept together as a group and protected each other, and most of the guys in our build were some fairly tough street people themselves, with a similar history as the local gangs and drug dealers. But in time, many of the guys in the squat started drifting back into crack and heroin. One dumb thing I did at the time was to disagree with the priest who wanted 100% sobriety, no drugs as well as alcohol. I thought it was fine that the guys had a drink sometime to escape the stress, but in retrospect, this was wrong: the booze easily led to harder drugs. After falling off the wagon and back to drugs, there was lots of fighting and bickering among the “family”, so in time, we were divided, and traveling alone more and more, and the gang began to pick off the guys, one by one, and ultimately, they firebombed the place, but fortunately, nobody was hurt. I left the squat and the city a few weeks before the place was burned down once I realized how no matter how much I worked on the place, it was utterly hopeless and the group was falling apart.
traumatized Sean
written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
Now, as I said before, during my entire time in the squat, we were never-NEVER- bothered by cops. There was great and exaggerated paranoia about the cops, but in fact, they never came around. I suspect that since it was in the height of the homeless crisis, the city knew it would just be even more publicity for them to attack homeless squatters who were just using some of the 100,000 abandoned buildings owned by the city. Now, I occasionally would visit the other squats home to the predominantly anarchists and artists and they would often rant about the police state, and so on, but during my time, it just never happened. The gangs and drug dealers terrorized us, and the cops never came to bother us. In fact, it was a ridiculous situation where we were being threatened and in danger, but we couldn’t even call the cops, since at least one (and maybe more) of the homeless guys in our squat had an outstanding warrant out for him, so they never wanted to file a complaint against the gangs with the police. Also, the anarchist politicos who had a dominant voice in the squat network, were also dead against ever working with the cops. In retrospect, this seemed stupid to me since it placed us in a helpless and dangerous place, where we could do very little. After this experience, I decided never to get involved in a situation like this where I had little institutional support, and I was at the mercy of drug addicts, dealers, gangs, and mentally ill people, where the inmates where running the loony bin. By contrast, I worked in a sane and stable hospice that provided top-notch service for poor homeless people with AIDS. There was always lots of crazy drama and stress at the squat, much of it related to the neighborhood gangs and drub dealers who were against us. Although most people I met thought that my working with people dying of AIDS would be incredibly stressful, I remember my most sane, serene, safe times in NYC was when I went to work and away from the squat and the Lower East Side!
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written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
Eventually, I left the city, got a job, and over the years, after getting sick of scraping by in various low-paid human service jobs, I saved and went back to school, and eventually became a public school teacher. And despite your comment about my parents paying for my college, no such thing ever happened: as I said, they lived at the poverty level, so they simply had nothing to give me except to wish me luck. So if no longer wanting to shower under a street hydrant, or shave in a public bathroom makes me a Yuppie, then I am guilty as charged. And, all of this happened over a decade before meeting my wife. So you presumptions about me are way off again. As far as the other squatters, they may very well have a different view of life on the Lower East Side. Frankly, although I loved the place like most people did, it is clear to me now how the change was inevitable, and in many ways for the good. I would also say that although the anarchist-artist-punk-hippie-squatters were generally an interesting and decent group of people, in my mind, the scene was all kind of a fantasy play land for wannabe revolutionaries, and as you said, punk kids who lived in the suburbs, but came to rub elbows with Jello Biafra at CBGB’s, slum it with the poor and pretend to be homeless themselves.
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written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
I occasionally enjoyed hanging out the other squats to escape the craziness of our squat, but I was often disappointed how they were always crying about class oppression and the police state, but they barely lifted a finger to help us fix up the squat for the only real homeless people I saw squatting the neighborhood. Likewise, they could be cliquey and arrogant, but generally, I appreciated whenever they invited us to parties or took us in. And ultimately, when the city took over their squats, and converted a certain portion of them into low-income housing units, it all sounded like a better use of the space to me. The Lower East Side inevitably had to change. It was a ship of fools, where whoever had the greatest power, ran the streets. Real estate in NYC was just too valuable for it to fester as it was, so naturally the big banks and developers were going to cash in on it. And while the anarchist politico squatters fancied themselves as speaking for the masses, for the poor, for the “people”, the actual poor people who lived there were estranged from them: they distrusted them, and looked down on them and their eccentric lifestyle. In a word, whether it was fair or not, they treated them like freaks. So even though the anarchist played like it was a liberated zone where they mingled with the poor, where the revolution was brewing, there was lots of hubris, hypocrisy and contradiction there, lots of hot air, just a tempest in a teapot. When I went back and talked to a few of “ordinary” working class people from the old neighborhood who still live there, I could see they were very pleased with the change. They didn’t miss the anarchist/artsy squatters, because, frankly, the squatters were never really able to or interested in integrating fully with the ordinary working class people of the neighborhood (primarily Puerto Ricans and Dominicans). They were pleased to see the drug dealers go, and the crime as well. They could walk the streets with their children and in far less fear. So if you never heard such as story as mine from other squatters, I am not surprised: I saw a lot of things differently than many of them did. I guess they mostly moved onto squats in other cities, or back home with their parents, who in fact, unlike the homeless, had real homes.
traumatized Sean
written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
Finally, in regards to Guliani and the Lower East Side, I have no clue as to what he did to the squatters. I heard that as they began to gentrify the area, the cops surrounded some of the squats as in a siege, flooding them with water, and probably doing other nasty stuff. Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised, but all this and Guliani came right after I left. By then, the Lower East Side had been gentrified, and I was elsewhere trying to forget my frustrations about the squat. I would have preferred to see a greater percent of poor people represented there in the new development, but I still think it is an improvement on the unlivable days of the past, when the poor families were barely seen on 8th st, especially at night, since it just wasn’t safe. As I said, I see more gray in this situation, and not black and white, good-guys, rich-poor. The same goes for the overall reduction of crime in NYC: it’s more gray than black and white. I admit that the police used excessive and brutal force in reaction to being pelted by rocks while trying to enforce a curfew on Tompkin Square Park, which resulted in a riot, which resulted in closing the park entirely, and was the first step in the ultimate gentrification of the neighborhood. Yes, they were brutal. I saw it with my own eyes, and had to run like the wind to avoid being beaten by police on horses running us down and beating anyone and everyone on the streets that night who didn’t get out of their way. Yet, such incidents, and other abuses, which are many, are not the only, nor the systematic approach of the NYC police. Call me naïve, but I think this is the main difference between police in the US and Brazil: many of them are regular guys, middle class and poor, who would like to see the streets safer. While I was in Sao Paulo, the drug dealers who had their cell phones taken from them in jail ordered their gangs to attack the police. They shut down the city and burned 90 buses (?) and killed over 40 (?) law enforcement officers. What shocked me equally about this, is that there was no parade, nor march nor memorial nor major outpouring of sympathy for this tragedy, but as my wife explained to me, there wouldn’t be any such public display since police there are seen as just one wrung up from the criminals in terms of corruption and violence. I don’t know how NYC got their crime rate to the lowest ever recorded since 1962 when they began compiling such stats, but from what I heard, it was not simply through strong-arm brutal tactics. And, whatever they did, certainly should be considered so long as it did not involve human rights abuse. Now you can have the last word here since I am about to part ways with this blog. But I have to say that by not sticking to the issue (reducing the crime rate in NYC and whether Rio could benefit from a similar strategy) your ad hominem attacks and stereotyping and generalizing about me, my wife, my father, again and again was way off the mark, and so it only made you look stupid and and as I said, poisoned by righteous anger. You don't know me in any way, so why would you think you could accurately make such raving generalizations about me or anyone else for that matter. I am starting to think this is just the reductionistic sound-bite nature of many blogs: they give someone a chance to feel omnipotent by allowing anonymously dump all of their rage on invented bogeyman; whenever I feel such hate, I know something is wrong with me, and not the people I feel hate for. For me, the sound-bite nature of blogs don't work: the world is not so black and white, it can only be fully described in-depth and nuanced description. So call me Susie Cream Cheese or whatever silly junior-high school, misogynistic homophobic trash talk you want to hurl, but this is what I saw, whether you or anyone else believes or agrees with it.
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written by anonymous, January 05, 2010
Traumatized Sean: And finally, as I asked several times but got not reply, while you are so critical of what I was doing in NYC, I still would like to know what you were doing in regards to the homeless aside from playing know-it-all, loud-mouthed, arm-chair radical as you do on this blog?
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written by Traumatized Sean, January 07, 2010
...rich, pro-Nazi, Republican, white suburbanite, whose father hates illegal immigrants, and finally Anglo-Saxon (by the way, my ethnicity is actually Eastern European if that even matters...


No it doesn't. Anglo-Saxon is a cultural term and wherever your great-great came from, you're quite securely embedded in the WASP viewpoint. But that's a nit.

now your latest "take on me" is that I was an enlightened punk turned Yuppie.


Let me be clearer then, since it's obviously causing your brain to smolder: an enlightened white suburbanite punk turned yuppie, rich and Republican with a decided penchant for seeing the trains run on time, no matter how many people get jailed or killed in order for this to occur. And I STILL bet your daddy thought the 'grints were behind his job-related disorders.

Feel better now?

I still would like to know what you were doing in regards to the homeless aside from playing know-it-all, loud-mouthed, arm-chair radical as you do on this blog?


Well, one of the things I try to do is avoid dressing fascism up as nifty, neato "community policing". Frankly, I think you end up causing at least as much trouble as you solve when you try to "save" other people, so I wouldn't ever put myself in the position of being the great white liberal savior of the teeming masses.

I really don't think that you crying yourself to sleep every night does anything for the world at all, Buffy.

As for being big-mouthed, sister, you're the one who has a burning desire to tell the world just what a right-on, concerned little pod-person you are, not me. Just look at the reams of blather you've posted above, justifying your existence, simply because someone called you out on your bulls**t.
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written by Jake McCrann, January 09, 2010
aLL I can say in response to all the above is that I love being a Jew's slave. Hell, even the Mormons came and I told them, "I dont want to here another f**king word about them jews and your book is full of jew-worshipping trash"

I love being a loaner. I love paying interest on money borrowed. I love being a Jew's mistress even though I am a guy.
Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere?
written by anonymous, January 23, 2010
I am not surprised to come back here and find you still hurling the same absurd generalized slander about me: rich, pro-Nazi, Republican, white suburbanite, whose father hates illegal immigrants, and finally Anglo-Saxon (by the way, my ethnicity is actually Eastern European if that even matters..."

Anglo Saxon you call me? What does that mean? I am white and I speak English? Yeah, again, guilty as charged. You said it was a cultural designation. Well, it's meaningless to me except to say it is code for I am supposedly a fascist and you are not. Some people use cultural identities to affirm certain positive features of their culture, while other use cultural identities to identify themselves as being part of a group that are superior to others. In this sense, your simplistic categorizing has is very similar to the Nazi mentality that divided the world into simplistic categories of good and bad, Arayan, non-Aryan, superior, inferior, etc.

As I said, it doesn't seem to matter that I never have nor will vote Republican, have spoke out against pro-Nazi and other racist views, nor did my father hate immigrants, nor did I live in the suburbs, nor are my relatives Anglo Saxon. Talking with you seems much like talking with this guy Jake: just like he labels everything a jewish conspiracy, whatever I say, I am a Anglo Saxon suburban Republican fascist.
The whole point of me going on and on about my experience was to respond to your stereotyping of me, which you still seem heavily attached to, despite that I clearly refuted. Strangely, you still have nothing else to say but repeat the same simplistic name calling. Just because you call me a Nazi loving fascist because i disagree with you and see some nuance to the NYC situation, does make it true. I feel like I am talking to a wall or to a born again Christian or raving anti-semite who only answers playing back the same pre-made response to whatever you say: you have to drink the blood of the lamb to be saved and enter the kingdom of heaven, or: Jews are taking over the world, or: anyone happy to see crime reduced in NYC is a fascist Republican Suburbanite liberal Anglo-Saxon anti-immigrant punk turned Yuppie who loves the police state. Yeah, that is some very sophisticated political analysis. As I said, such demonizing simplistic thinking makes the world conveniently black and white, enlightened and unenlightened, good guys and bad guys, and of course, YOU are on the side of the good guys. And the only one who called out on his bulls**t is YOU! Except you just can't seem to admit it.

And of course, my anger is smoldering: you insult me and slander me with such trash talk.

Shouldn't you both be out on a ledge somewhere holding hands?
written by anonymous, January 23, 2010
Jake: can you have someone from your planet translate that last jibberish message. Like traumatized Sean, you both have a lot in common: you angrily target certain groups. Shouldn't you both be out on a ledge somewhere holding hands: Finding a spiritual practice or seeking counseling to deal with your hatred and simplistic thinking. Who are you really so angry at? Certainly all that dumping and ranting against Jews makes you look as pathetic as his ranting against imaginary Fascist. good luck to both of you.You have more in common than you seem to realize.

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