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Why We Failed: Brazil and World Politicians Can't See Humanity, Only Voters PDF Print E-mail
2010 - January 2010
Written by Cristovam Buarque   
Tuesday, 05 January 2010 05:35

Maldives Islands Everyone knows that the Copenhagen meeting failed in its attempt to impede the climate-change disaster. After two years of discussions, the meeting of world politicians concluded on a melancholy note, ending with a communiqué in which no one committed to anything, leaving things to run their course to disaster.

The entire world knows what is happening but is not able to impede it. What is worse, the failure of Copenhagen is the failure of the politics we are practicing.

For centuries, we have practiced politics in the same manner: we are leaders of countries concerned about the next election. In politics, humanity does not exist, only the voters. The next century does not exist, only 2010. The next generations do not exist, only the next elections.

President Obama said that he is not president of the world. He is, rather, President of the United States and must defend the interests of his country's voters, who are concerned about changing their cars, increasing their consumption, and not about saving the planet. We, the politicians, are unprepared for planetary, long-term problems.

President Lula spoke to the voters with ecological sensitivity, proposing goals for carbon dioxide emissions, and also to the consumers, proposing reductions to the automotive Industrialized Products Tax (IPI) and defending the use of the pre-salt petroleum, which will increase the emissions.

The very appointment of Minister Dilma as chief of the Brazilian mission to Copenhagen is proof that President Lula subordinated the interests of humanity to the Brazilian electoral calendar. Not because he wanted to do this but, rather, because that is the logic under which we work, we the 21st-century politicians with a 19th-century mentality.

We, the politicians, have failed. For the last 200 years, we have been the leaders of a civilizatory course that succeeded in the miracle of consumer growth in each country. We are, nonetheless, incompetent and impotent in making decisions for course corrections. We are not capable of this because political logic does not permit it.

One proof of the stupid logic guiding our political steps is the only exception presented in Copenhagen by the President of the Maldives. He spoke for all of humanity because his country will disappear if the temperature increases only 2 degrees centigrade, raising the sea level and covering the little islands where all his population lives. Mohamed Nasheed spoke for humanity because this is the immediate, direct interest of his voters. It was the exception that proves the rule.

Copenhagen, therefore, was a failure from the point of view of the decisions of the nations into which humanity is divided. But, happily, it was a success from the point of view of those who are not politicians, those representing NGOs, universities, pressure groups.

It was they who dared to invent the proposal of a world government, with no possibility of political function, merely with a moral force. By doing so, they exposed the reasons of our failure: we are a political, electoral force, but we have lost the human, moral dimension.

This is our greatest failure: the inability to combine local politics with human morals. It was not COP-15 that failed; it was politics, which lacks moral banners. Until recently, we had these in the socioeconomic debate between socialism and capitalism, when we were speaking for the entire world.

Now the debate is a moral one between one type of civilization and another that we do not yet know, one that collides with the individualism of each human being, each voter seeking to increase his or her power of consumption, independently of the consequences that this may bring for future generations.

Cristovam Buarque is a professor at the University of Brasília and a PDT senator for the Federal District. He was a Brazilian delegate to the COP-15. You can visit his website - www.cristovam.org.br - and write to him at cristovam@senado.gov.br.

Translated from the Portuguese by Linda Jerome LinJerome@cs.com.



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written by Jake McCrann, January 05, 2010
All I can say is that I have a Bachelor of Science, a Bachelor of Chemical Engineering from Melbourne University and a Masters In Business Systems I did for fun online from Monash University.

And I can tell you this with 100% confidence and guns in my hands - Its a hoax. The CO2 Anthropogenic Global Warming crap is a global New World Order hoax. This criminal fraudsters have made themselves the biggest conmen inthe history of mankind. Thank God Brasil 'failed'. And I believe god had a hand in that.

If you re an english speaker layman and want an insight into what the hell I am talking about for real, then I would recommend one Lord Monckton. Spend just three hours on youtube dashing about his public appearances and you will finally get the picture.

To all you AGW radical crazies - I can tell you you better stockpile guns and ammunition because you will not hoodwink humanity on this one and we will massacre you and bury your carbon-producing filthy bodies where they belong - back in the earth.

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written by nicholas (usa_male), January 05, 2010
100% agree with you Mr.McCrann,
I saw that Brit (Lord) Monckton on the Glenn Beck show and he made and still make more sense to me than those Global Warming Alarmists, who nothing more care about being in control and earn more "green", dollars.
Facts
written by Ricky March, January 05, 2010
I have watched a few of Monckton's videos, and many other voices in the wilderness, and I can tell you this. The overall average temperature of the earth is rising. This is obvious by watching the size of the polar ice caps, and the Greenland Ice Sheet. They are shrinking. This is a fact. Whether this is caused by carbon emissions or not, is anyone's guess, but I know a little bit about the emissions from the large coal burners, and it isn't anything I read. It is things I have seen. For instance, there is a 1300 MW coal fired power plant at Sutherland, Nebraska. You can sit at the sand pit about ten miles east of there and watch the ash from the stack descending to the ground even though the stack is over 450 ft tall. One day I was swimming at the sandpit and some researchers were using some strainers to gather samples from the sand bottom, and I asked them what they were looking for. They showed me the tiny snail shells in the strainers, and told me they were doing research on why these little critters had all died in the pits east of the stacks, and they had found high levels of lead, mercury, and other heavy metals in their shells. SO, while you can claim to have three or five or ten degrees from 6 different universities, and you need to listen to someone like Lord Monckton to get your information, try going out into the world, and just check to see what this stuff has done to our environment. It isn't pretty, and the case I site is only one small part of the puzzle.

And tell me this. What kind of an educated person says things like "I can tell you you better stockpile guns and ammunition because you will not hoodwink humanity on this one and we will massacre you and bury your carbon-producing filthy bodies where they belong - back in the earth." Sounds more to me like a beer swilling, wife beating, coon hunting redneck hillbilly.

Get real, because you won't be killing anyone. The AGW radical crazies have all the guns, bombs, guided missiles, unmanned drones, and whatever it takes to wipe you guys out with the push of a button.

And no, I am not one of the AGW radical crazies. I don't think anything like the Copenhagen Treaty is the answer to the problem, as I have been emailing all of my friends and asking them to push their representatives on this issue. The U.S. citizens do not need the U.N. in control to force their illegal, unconstitutional mandates onto us.

What we need is some rational, honest discussion on the topic, and to take some decisive action, and having spent over 30 years in the energy development industry, I know first hand how much is being done, and how much is being spent to develop alternative sources of energy, but the cost is high, and industry would rather not invest more into it, but this is where the environmentalist and their political power have pushed things in the right direction.

If you want to truly understand what is going on, instead of just listening to some self-proclaimed expert, who has no actual knowledge of the source of things, try looking into the energy company websites, like BP Wind, or Boone Pickens, or any of the hundreds of companies focusing on alternative energy. You might learn something real.
No, it is not a hoax
written by Sergio T, January 06, 2010
I have a bachelor degree in Physics from a major university in the US following a MS in Physics from another US major university and work for a big research company in the USA. This is not a hoax.

Just think, without much argument from my part. What happens when you pump 32 billion tons of CO2 in the atmosphere every year and the system can only sink just part of it in the same period of time?

Home work:

What do you think is happening in Venus? Why is so hot there?
It should be hot because is closer to the sun than earth but why is much, much hotter, truly infernal?
Irregardless,, the earth is being ruined....
written by dnbaiacu, January 06, 2010
And those that are ruining it will be ruined.

So there's really nothing to worry aboutsmilies/wink.gif
 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” Revelation 11:18

All these conferences , bogus or not , can go hug a bubble gum.

The "Intelligent Designer" is in controlsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gif
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written by Gringo21, January 06, 2010
Lord Moncton is a certifiable ditto-head and conman himself, like Tim Ball, Fred Singer and other anti-science, anti intellectual, fear mongering the-bogeymen-are-out-to-get-you, snake oil salesmen for hire.

The rabid right has been labeling serious science "A HOAX", for over well over two decades because they all learned, early in their pathetic right wing careers when challenging anti smoking laws and working for Big TOBACAO, that you never have to win a debate or PROVE anything at all in science if you want to stop legislation, or get "slow" people to side with your regressive agenda. All you have to do is sell "DOUBT". And it is the easiest thing in the world to do, so of course simple right wing minds are drawn to the idea like stink on camels. It's there number one commodity, they roll it out by the truck loads.

And these charlatans have become great at it. So great, that they all earn a pretty penny too, and have, since the early debates of tobacco (remember the CEOs of the big seven standing in front of Congress saying there is NO SCIENTIFIC proof Smoking causes cancer?), through to OZONE and banning CFCs and HCFCs with the Montreal protocol, and now on to AGW. These duffesses earn WAY more cash than climate scientists, which kinda flies in the face of their other argument that it's a get rich ponzi scheme. If you really want to get rich quick, you need to start a new Enron, worldcom or a Christian Church.

As for you Jake McCArn, I have a Ph.d in science (not in climatology though), but I have produced a number a science magazine pieces on the subject. I've interviewed and worked closely with a number of notable climate scientists from INPA to INPE (in Brazil) to people in NASA and even with scientists studying the disappearing islands of Lohachara and Suparibhanga, all the way to the islands of the south Pacific (yes, my carbon footprint is too big because of my travelling, and I am remedying that) and what I can say about your comments (at least the first part where you were not blowing snot bubbles) is that NO SCIENTIST worth his academic weight would ever, EVER, say something so ridiculously arrogant and impossible to prove like "I can tell you this with 100% confidence and guns in my hands". That is simply vapid rhetoric, nonsense and grandstanding, and WHO THE HELL ARE YOU and why should we care? Because you have a Bsc? LOL.

Here's the deal, there is always an element of skepticism in science (it's the scaffolding behind it's growth), however, hucksters like Moncton, Beck, et.al exploit scientific caveats for their lesser informed audiences and sycophants, terrifying them that its some sort of grand illusion concocted by a cabal of ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT bogey men.

In the end, if the severity of climate issues are as serious as some lament, tricking people into doing nothing, to earn a buck or score a RIGHT WING political point, is about the most malicious of acts I can imagine. It's like looking someone in the face and telling them, GO A HEAD AND SMOKE the science is not in. And that is JUST what Ball, Singer and Moncton have done and continue to do.

Believe in the fairy tales of one world government conspiracies (you already believe in a mystical man in the sky, so we know you are easily duped into beveling the mystical), but do us all a favor and shut up about something you know nothing about. Watching an idiot on YOUTUBE is not tantamount to earning a Ph.d in physics.

To all you AGW radical crazies - I can tell you you better stockpile guns and ammunition because you will not hoodwink humanity on this one and we will massacre you and bury your carbon-producing filthy bodies where they belong - back in the earth.


Ah yes, Jesus would be proud of you. Thank the lord you are putting your science degrees to good use.

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Science vs Religion
written by Sergio T, January 06, 2010
I am a deist and I believe in an impersonal type of deity. However, this is only my philosophical and personal view and I keep it separated from my scientific views.

I have noticed in my many conversations I had that most people who deny the GW phenomena are profoundly religious. I have a friend who is quite an extraordinaire scientist and the same time a profound christian. He insists that the GW is a hoax. I am convinced that his "scientific" argumentation against GW is influenced by his religiosity. I am puzzled by this type of behavior.

In any case, I prefer to err in the safe side. I believe that developing new technologies for a cleaner environment, alternative energy sources, etc, will create many new jobs and business, pump the world technological development and who knows open the doors for a better future. Who wants to live in a planet depleted of forests, with polluted rivers and lakes, with an atmosphere poisoned with industrial gases, and a weather running havoc?

I guess not even Jesus!

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written by Gringo21, January 06, 2010
In any case, I prefer to err in the safe side. I believe that developing new technologies for a cleaner environment, alternative energy sources, etc, will create many new jobs and business, pump the world technological development and who knows open the doors for a better future.


Correct. It's a win win scenario.There is absolutely nothing to lose investing in renewable and weening ourselves from fossil fuels. Actually, the rewards go beyond ecology and finance, and into the geopolitical realm as well. No more dependence on foreign oil (at least for those who consume more than they produce). I also agree with most of what you wrote regarding religion, only to add that in the US the religious are basically considered the BASE for a certain political party and ideology. Yo wont find ONE without the other. We've known that they have hated science since Scopes trials. (Actually, longer, but I want some of these right wing idiots to use -- at the very least -- Wikipedia to see what I am on about).

That said, a great post Sergio!
The Road - the future of planet Earth...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, January 07, 2010

On Christmas day someone gave me a book “The Road” – the following day I read the entire book in a few hours.

After reading the above article the book “The Road” came to mind – something to look forward in the future. Just be prepared to survive the events described on that book.

No big deal….


*****

Book:
The Road
By: Cormac McCarthy
http://www.cormacmccarthy.com/works/theroad.htm

Note: The Road was the winner of the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for Literature.


*****

Movie: The Road (2009)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/


By the way, I did not see the movie, and I am not planning to see it in the future even on DVD.

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written by João da Silva, January 07, 2010
Not because he wanted to do this but, rather, because that is the logic under which we work, we the 21st-century politicians with a 19th-century mentality.


Well said, Senator. You aptly described the mentality of a large majority of our politicians. One foot in Brasil and another in Europe!

One proof of the stupid logic guiding our political steps is the only exception presented in Copenhagen by the President of the Maldives. He spoke for all of humanity because his country will disappear if the temperature increases only 2 degrees centigrade, raising the sea level and covering the little islands where all his population lives. Mohamed Nasheed spoke for humanity because this is the immediate, direct interest of his voters. It was the exception that proves the rule.


Few of our politicians have heard of Mr.Mohamed Nasheed but many well informed Brasilians are aware that his Island nation is sinking and of his struggle to save its citizens.It is a question of survival for them and so his speech is not with the aim of getting votes to re-elect himself. He is quite conscious that unless urgent measures are taken, there wont be a country for him to preside over. He could very well move elsewhere and leave the citizens to their own fate. He has no intention of doing it and for that I salute him. Can we say the same for our politicians?
In Defense of the Bible..... Forget "Religion".
written by dnbaiacu, January 07, 2010
All we need to know is YES and DEFINETLY "ruining the earth", any which way it goes. And He will do something about it.

 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.” Revelation 11:18

He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever. Psalm 104:5


A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.Ecclesiastes 1:4


[bFor this is what Lord has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: Isaiah 45:18
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I have noticed in my many conversations I had that most people who deny the GW phenomena are profoundly religious.


These are "ditzy folks" that are "religious" BUT don't STUDY the Bible. So they make themselves look quite silly to their otherwise "rational" and observant fellow human beings.
Anyone who has been around awhile can sense in their inner being that somewhat is going on with the weather. They show us photos of glaciers and such melting. But even without seeing that and suggesting that such photos have been "photoshopped" or something, it is obvious that we are seeing unusual weather patterns.

Thank GOD or the "impersonal diety" (that may sum up the relationship "some" have with Him) that he is going to have these "religions" DESTROYED by the governments sponsored by the UNITED NATIONS shortly!!! Such misrepresentation is irreprehensible! smilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif

And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.” Revelation 17:1

False Religion keeps people from thinking straight! Totally DRUNK in the mind. smilies/angry.gif It's PATHETIC! And they get ALL INVOLVED in POLITICS. Screwing the "kings of the earth".. THANK GOD this relationship is going to END shortly!
And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire. Revelation 17:16


The governments and the U.N are going to take religions money, which they obviously need. While continuing to EXPOSE all the disgusting things going on it . AND COMPLETELY SHUT IT DOWN!smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Truth is always good to KNOW and UNDERSTANDsmilies/wink.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, January 07, 2010
By the way, I did not see the movie, and I am not planning to see it in the future even on DVD.


If you have seen 2012, I guess there is no need to see this movie.smilies/smiley.gif
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written by WhackingDay, January 08, 2010
"All I can say is that I have a Bachelor of Science, a Bachelor of Chemical Engineering from Melbourne University and a Masters In Business Systems I did for fun online from Monash University."

No you didn't, jake. Stop talking s**t.
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, January 08, 2010

Joao da Silva: If you have seen 2012, I guess there is no need to see this movie.

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Ricardo: 2012 is a very exciting movie to watch, but you need to see it on the big screen - that movie has the most spectacular special effects that I ever saw in any movie.

It is worth to see it - it is very entertaining.

The book and the movie The Road it is morbid and depressing...

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dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 08, 2010
The governments and the U.N are going to take religions money, which they obviously need.


So do you think that is the reason for our strong lobbying to get a permanent seat in the UNSC? Remember Mother France is on our side.smilies/wink.gif
Joao
written by dnbaiacu, January 08, 2010
If you are talking about Brazil ( why wouldn't you be?smilies/smiley.gif) I am surprised it has taken THIS long to get a permanent seat. It's coming without a doubt.
What is the France connection?
Money is always a motivating factor. But whether or not a country knows the inevitable , (the downfall of organized religion)is another story. In scripture it is implied that the Intelligent Designer is manipulating things.

 For God put [it] into their hearts to carry out his thought, even to carry out [their] one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished. Revelation 17:17

They will be "driven" to do it. In other words some countries are TOTALLY behind this, and yet others are just OBLIGED to follow suit. "SECURITY" , be it economic or physical is ALWAYS a strong motivator to act.
In the end though, the governments will lament having done what they did as is indicated in much of chapter 18 of Revelation. There will be devastating economic consequences and social chaos as a result. Proving that for many, it was an idea gone bad. Yet there will be nothing they can do about it. The Intelligent Designer was behind it all. The governments will realize that "religion" , was in fact the "Opium of the people".smilies/wink.gif But it is the Intelligent Designers judgement on "religion" choosing to reject Truth. Worshiping themselves, objects, and nature.

Enlighten me on France,, aren't they still very Catholic dominated? I will have to do my research.
The "Church" is in cahoots with the U.N.. Which will obviously put it in direct conflict with Islam. And that will spell its demise. One obviously they must be expecting or planned . There has never been any real spiritual concern for its adherents who are nominal practicers at best. They will just slide right into the propaganda that the United Nations will bring peace on earth. They are not taught to study the Bible so how would they know any different??smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif

People need to recognize how all these various are connected. So many have wanted to make "beliefs" seem so inconsequential. Yet as we are finding out, QUICK, beliefs are murdering people. It DOES matter. And that is the whole point of the history of MAN to this day and age. All these religions have been MURDEROUS or have supported it in one way or another.
Jesus never killed anyonesmilies/wink.gif
Joao ,, smilies/smiley.gif my rant is not for you. Just voicing my view while addressing your question.
Where is Augustus when you need him?smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
He should be having a field day about now. smilies/cheesy.gif It's really not funny. It WILL be sad and horrific. But the anti-religion days he's been rooting for are on the horizon.
2012
written by dnbaiacu, January 08, 2010

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Ricardo: 2012 is a very exciting movie to watch, but you need to see it on the big screen - that movie has the most spectacular special effects that I ever saw in any movie


You haven't seen anything till you've seen Avatarsmilies/wink.gif And there's a lot more to learn from Avatar.
The effects in 2012 were cool . But the concept is DIS or MIS informing.

2012 will more than likely be like an END of an era as we know it. No one knows the day or hour of the Divine Judgement day. God will not give any Demons any credentials to prophecy. BUT,, psychics do have insight on CHANGE.smilies/wink.gif
21 My son, fear the Lord and the king. With those who are for a change, do not intermeddle. 22 For their disaster will arise so suddenly, that who is aware of the extinction of those who are for a change? Proverbs 24:21

Be careful what you ask for......smilies/wink.gif
Joao and France
written by dnbaiacu, January 08, 2010
You are on to something Joao. I've studied this before, but just confirmed it with a review. France is a Catholic stonghold. And the object to "sects",( for obvious reasons). And it is so obvious France will be behind the U.N 100%.
You must be implying that Brazil is heavily influenced by France. For sure the collective pysche is probably more similar than different to France's. Making a United Nations psychological coup easy.
It's kinda of fun to see if you think you know WHO knows WHAT. But of course that is impossible in the end. Brazil looks clueless overall on many fronts in my opinion. BUT , you just never know. Afterall the vast majority of the population (under evil intent, which rules) is "dispensible". So decisions made for immediate profit irregardless of obvious geo politics up to date have not surprised me in the least. smilies/wink.gif
I mean really.. How do you just jump in bed with the Middle East KNOWING it is being blacklisted? It makes no sense. Unless you are "planning" chaos.

There is a generation whose teeth are swords and whose jawbones are slaughtering knives, to eat up the afflicted ones off the earth and the poor ones from among mankind. Proverbs 30:14
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 08, 2010
You are on to something Joao.


Yes. You said about France being a catholic country. If I recall, it is the second largest catholic country, the first being Brasil. Both consist of non practising Catholics. Just do your research on Sarko´s biography.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

You are too smart to miss my point.smilies/grin.gif
Reply to dnbaiacu
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, January 09, 2010

Dnbaiacu: 2012 will more than likely be like an END of an era as we know it. No one knows the day or hour of the Divine Judgment day.


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Ricardo: 2012 has nothing to do with religion, and if 2012 event really happens there is a reasonable explanation for that event based on current human knowledge of science.

Every generation human beings think that the world is going to end on their watch and most of the time never happens.

The closest that humans came to that concept of the end of the world it was around 1348 in Europe when people were dying all around you during the Black Plague.

You can read about it at:

The Black Death (134smilies/cool.gif
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/plague.htm


The movie 2012 it is just another disaster movie, but the special effects were great. You need to watch that movie on the big screen, and not on you TV on dvd.

By the way, I am not a religious person, and I don’t believe on the religious concept of: Divine Judgment Day.


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Should read...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, January 09, 2010

The Black Death in 1348 A.D.

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ricardo..
written by dnbaiacu, January 09, 2010
2012 was good . I saw it at the theatre. I am aware that 2010 has NOTHING to do with spiritual truth. According to the Bible which is the reference I use, to quote Jesus, "no one knows the day or the hour only the Father.".. That is ,,for judgement against wicked mankind.

I do suspect something will happen around 2012 , if only due to the fact that it will be election time again. There are a lot of psychics predicting something and they get info from the evil side of the spirit realm. It would not surprise me at all if "something" happens that starts a "change".

Whatever the case, according to the Bible the earth WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED OR DEPOPULATED. Those that "believe" can take comfort in that. The texts that refer to that I have already posted above.

By the way, I am not a religious person, and I don’t believe on the religious concept of: Divine Judgment Day.


Maybe you should reconsider your stance because to ignore the spiritual element in earths affairs is to miss out on A LOT of understanding of what is going on. You can even understand politics better. It becomes very clear.
There is scientific and cultural evidence that there was a Great Flood. Consider that.
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 09, 2010
2012 was good . I saw it at the theatre.


In response to the comments of Ricardo and you, I too saw it on a theater and a big screen (remember you suggested it?). Yes, it was based on the Mayan calendar and was good at the start. Then it turned into a regular disaster movie. If it had been made into a 3-D movie, I might have enjoyed it more.

Whatever the case, according to the Bible the earth WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED OR DEPOPULATED.


Here, you have a point and I agree with you. I think all the man made and natural disasters will lead to the reduction of the world population and not the complete destruction of the planet.

Maybe you should reconsider your stance because to ignore the spiritual element in earths affairs is to miss out on A LOT of understanding of what is going on.


I bet Ricardo knows the basic teachings of many religions like you (and I) do. But, when many conflicts are created because of the religions, we tend to question. That is one of the reasons Ricardo,myself and many other Brasilians questioned about protests (that fizzled out) during President Ahmedinejad to Brasil. I think that Ricardo is aware of the "Big Game". If not, he wouldn't have come out with castigating comments on Rudy, which unfortunately (or fortunately) are truesmilies/cheesy.gif
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Joao
written by dnbaiacu, January 09, 2010
I bet Ricardo knows the basic teachings of many religions like you (and I) do. But, when many conflicts are created because of the religions, we tend to question.


And it SHOULD be questioned.. This is the EXACT reason why there will be a DRASTIC reduction of the population on earth. Because of all the CONFLICT false religion causes. If supposedly "christian" nations actually followed the teachings of Christ they would not "take to the sword". Of course that leaves other religions that have no problem with killing to do what they do. But I use "christian nations" as an example because they are just as guilty as the rest.
The severe "reduction" of the population will start with the utter destruction of religion. I a surprised at the silence on the issue. As if no one sees that this is coming.smilies/shocked.gif As observant as people on this panel seem to be on world affairs. Is it denial? Or they just don't get it or see it?

btw, if you can make it to see Avatar in 3D , it is a must see.
Reply to Dnbaiacu and Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, January 11, 2010

When I was in college I did read many books about philosophy and comparative religion – including from Christianity, Islam, Judaism to Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Confucianism and so forth….

I used to enjoy reading about all these religions, and the more I read about that subject the more skeptical I became about religion – any religion.

Religion is a subject that I don’t like to discuss about it with anybody. But I understand why most people need to believe in some kind of religion to be able to move on with their lives.

During my college days I read at least 10 or 12 books written by British Philosopher Bertrand Russell. For some reason he became one of my favorite writers at that time.

I remember reading one of his books at least twice:

“Why I am not a Christian” by Bertrand Russell (1927)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W..._Christian


If you don't know who he was then you can read about Bertrand Russell (18 May 1872 – 2 February 1970) at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand_Russell


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Ricardo
written by dnbaiacu, January 11, 2010
Actually I sympathize with you view. I just encourage you not to make the "Bible" synomynous to "religion.
At the end of the day an intelligent designer would have a workable way to communicate with His creation. Especially in the event of saving them from an impending disaster.
If evil spirits can communicate by words written , for example via a "ouja board".. ,, just as well can the "intelligent designer" of these "aliens gone bad" can insure communication of His purpose be in a "book" . Written by man , yes.. BUT "insprired" by him. He entered thier minds and they wrote His thoughts.

The History Channel ( of all places) recently confirmed the Bibles accuracy in reference to "prophecies". This can't be discounted.

Yes, false Christianity has failed miserably. But there is true Christianity.. One just has to be interested enought to find it. It's a heart condition which will determine if a seed of Truth will take root in your heart and produce fruit.
Truth is available to all . The only question is if we will accept it and make it our own.
Ricardo on Bertrand....
written by dnbaiacu, January 11, 2010
Bertrand has his "opinion". But at the end of the day that is all it really is..
Btw ,it takes a lot of faith to subscribe to Darwin. All evidence shows that energy just doesn't come out of nowhere. And it is mathmatically impossible for the universe that we know of to have such ORDER and it not be by design. As humans we know of NO SUCH THING. It just doesn't happen. The house you live in didn't just "come together" on its own. Neither can be logically said for the planet.

Atheists and evolutionists basically just don't want to accept that maybe there is something out there we have to answer to.

It's really that simple. smilies/wink.gif
Well you have all spoken and you didn't buy extra ammunition and guns?
written by jake McCrann, January 12, 2010
I am not a man of God, a Christian. I have no church. But I think the ten commandments are good for society and so I obey them - even when I have wanted to f**k my friends' wives.

As I have warned you, you better get lots of ammunition and guns. Because us scientists know its a hoax.

For those of you who say, "better to be safe than sorry" - I would agree with you if you were not so retarded to be wasting envoronmental consciousness on a non-toxic gas. What about all the epoxy's plastics, and SSRI's and the endless list of synethetic chemicals going unabated into the environment right now as all the pot smoking commies wank off about CO2? The greatest tragedy perhaps I have witnessed in my last years of my life is this CO2 and otherwise good wills hunting to all be simply to line the pockets of frauds, the greatest of conmen to have ever walked the earth - or tell me, will it be remembered as the stupidest of commoners to have ever served the oligarchy?
Oh I have another one
written by jake McCrann, January 12, 2010
During the inventions of the motorcar, some people were worried that travelling more than 30km/hr might cause your brains to explode out of your head!

Did you know that!

And it would not have been much trouble to have convinced a majority of it too!
For all those of you who replied that you are educated in science too? Shame on you.
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written by Captain Carnaval, January 12, 2010
As I have warned you, you better get lots of ammunition and guns.


Let's see a show of hands for everyone who laughed allowed when JAKE said he was a scientist. Sorry Jake boy, you're a douche. A simple run of the mill internet douche troll. Live with it.
Maybe on your TeeVee its getting more catastrophic?
written by Jake McCrann, January 12, 2010
If I wanted to show you that all White english-speaking Christians dressed in white-robes with pointed white-cone hats and hung n****rs for breakfast then give me control of your televisions and I will show you that.

Captain Carnaval, I am ill equipped to engage in your campaign of slurs as I was educated only to love the purist of works of numbers and letters which resolved and had no meaning in human context nor any many to humanity and his crusade and his mortality. None of it was related to the morons whom I was forced to face in the real world when I left my church of science doctrine and yearned to return till the day I died.
What it is 5 years ago now I told some of my friends that if they pursue this GLobal Warming hoax I will not be their friends anymore. Alas, the world continued to cool and what did the AGWs do with that? They fudged the data to try cover it up - too much money, too many Carbon-Credit derivatives already sold. Havn't we seen this one before?

Oh and regarding me being a scientist - I have a Bachelor of Science (in chemistry and mathematics) from Melbourne University. If that doesn't qualify me to be a scientist then I am not a scientist.

@Ricky March
written by Jake McCrann, January 12, 2010
"The overall average temperature of the earth is rising."

Gee, havn't you heard of the ClimateGate scandal?

You know, all those Polar bears? Funny that they have risen in numbers since Al Gores ill prediction.

AGW is a religion and a very dangerous one because you are diverting environmental consciousness from the real threats of synthetic chemicals, nano-technology, pharmaceuticals, Body Scanners which kill DNA, and on and on and on and meanwhile you f**king nutjob cultist lunatics are out there with your c**ks literally unzipped from your pants masturbating in public telling our children that they should hold their breath and BUY GREEN when GREEN means CO2.

You're sick. And as I said, if its going to continue like this with all your fools and frauds over invested in a fallacy and hence refusing to face the reality of your errs but rather make the world suffer and millions die in sufferance before you recover your ludicrous investments, your failed visions, then I am telling you its time to go and buy lots of guns and ammunition because over on the other camp that is why you wont find any 9mm shells in Walmart because we stocked them out waiting for you nutcase lunatic zombies of the new world order, you retarded hippy commie morons to come and fetch us.

Come and fetch boys. We are dug in and waiting.
Is CO2 a toxic gas? EPA says YES.
written by Jake McCrann, January 12, 2010
lulz. If you dont get the O2/N2 mix right it will kill you.

But what is reality amongst a group of retards?

Jake McCrann is a known and listed Envoronmental Terrorist
written by ASIO Australia, January 12, 2010
People here should know that before Jake McCrann became an Environmental Terrorist (A CO2 denialist - Section A34-1089 of the Terrorist Act - Australia) he was living in Afghanistan with one Osama Bin Ladin for 6 months training to blow up airplanes using the prosthetic-testicles bombing method. (C4 balls surgically replacing their actual testicles)

Jake McCrann was very lucky on an Amsterdam-SaoPaulo flight to have only blown off his testicles and sued BA for 1 million dollars, having successfully blamed them for the accident and covered his guise arriving in Brasil with 1 million US compensation and no testicles.

Jake McCrann should be considered armed and dangerous (as he probably has a new set of improved Al Queda C4 testicles from some medical muslim surgeons in Rio we are tracking)

I mean, you can't make this s**t up.
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written by .., January 13, 2010
Jake McCrann should be considered armed and dangerous (as he probably has a new set of improved Al Queda C4 testicles from some medical muslim surgeons in Rio we are tracking)


Jake McCrann is a noble and honored guest in our country. We are pleased to have such an eminent scholar and visionary amongst us.

So stop anti McCrann campaign and continue killing the poor Kangaroos to their extinction.
And tell me this
written by Jake McCrann, January 13, 2010
"And tell me this. What kind of an educated person says things like "I can tell you you better stockpile guns and ammunition because you will not hoodwink humanity on this one and we will massacre you and bury your carbon-producing filthy bodies where they belong - back in the earth.""

A person who understands civil war?


Your problem is you dont understand anything. You dont understand why Walmart is stocked out of 9mm ammo, you dont understand ANYTHING.

I will tell you something brother, look at this website and download the file:

Get Ready For Civil War II (with Thomas Chittum)
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-31407/TS-308865.mp3
So stop anti McCrann campaign and continue killing the poor Kangaroos to their extinction.
written by Jake McCrann, January 13, 2010
Listen troll, this webforum could bear some fruits if we could all talk freely form the hearts without troll dickheads. You can contribute here but you must think from your heart.

The Kangaroos are doing so well that often we have to pay for them to be massacred. If you know how to communicate with the Kangaroos then we could have better policies.

But promoting some ludicrous rumour that the kangaroos are extinct then go ahead you Brasilian f**king a*****e. I will still say its better to come to Brasil than Australia. But dont push it punk, or I might remember where I was born.
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written by WhackingDay, January 13, 2010
But dont push it punk, or I might remember where I was born.

..and then what, Jake? You'll start sending him stupid e-mails?

Idiot Keyboard Commando........
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written by WhackingDay, January 13, 2010
"A person who understands civil war?"

What would you know about civil war, jakey?

You're a sorry-arsed keyboard warrior who makes up fantasies about being a "hand-to-hand sniper" and how you are the leader of a revolutionary army, blahblah.

Go take your pills and lie down, you fruit-loop
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written by Captain Carnaval, January 14, 2010
Oh and regarding me being a scientist - I have a Bachelor of Science (in chemistry and mathematics) from Melbourne University. If that doesn't qualify me to be a scientist then I am not a scientist.


No dip s**t, that does not qualify you as a scientist. Not by a long shot. Given you remedial understanding of what an actual scientist is, I imagine your knowledge of science is even more dismal. Now, go get yer guns, join a militia, live in the hills, and wait for civil war. Leave discussions about reality to us sane folks, k? Again, you're little more than an internet douche bag, but your douchery skills are impressive.
@whackingday
written by jake McCrann, January 15, 2010
You must have one miserable boring life to stalk me around the internet you Zionist piece of s**t. As I told you and will ask you again, "Why dont you f**k of to Israel and live a life of sucking Rabbi chubby hairy c**k?".

You're a piece of s**t homosexual troll stalker Chris Textor of Australian National University IT Help Desk Staff.
Pity you couldn't get a tenure hey you grovelling piece of s**t.
@Captain Carnaval
written by jake McCrann, January 15, 2010
Well I guess I am not a scientist then. I could have been - I mean I could have chosen to work in a f**king LAB talking maths with geeks and carrying out experiements but I found out that synthetic chemists die an average of 50 years old - Great f**king career hey? In these days Captain PooPoo, being a scientist is about how much you are prepared to pay me to talk s**t.

For example, the whole AIDS scam, that there is a virus that causes your immune system to break down - Its all a load of s**t. Its a scam.
But you can go on and have plastic sex punk. I for one have been enjoying free love for years. Syphilus? What is there to worry about? I am not aware of one VD I can't cure.

"Go take your pills and lie down, you fruit-loop" - the spirit
written by =Jake McCrann, May 22, 2010
"Lay down GI, lay down!" - Alex Jones in the film Waking Life.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfEuSNejejY
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written by =Jake McCrann, May 22, 2010
"Lay down GI, lay down!" - Alex Jones in the film Waking Life.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfEuSNejejY
Alex Jones in Waking Life
written by Jakey baby, November 15, 2010
Just one in 1000s of links the jew controllers keep deleting so we invent new ways to circumvent their ideas and hubris.

Just find "Alex Jones In Waking Life". They can delete links and create dead-link black miseries across the net but they can not delete ideas whose times have come - "Alex Jones Waking Life" - we keep pútting videos like this back up, and back up and back up and they keep deleting them - and all the links posted in other forums, over the nbet all go dead. So google, joogle, and not give up.
Hubris?
written by Jakey baby, November 15, 2010
Hubris? 911 was a full blown Israeli Mossad false-flag operation.

Hubris 9 years later?




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