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Brazil's Own Mother Teresa, Haiti's Star, Helped the Poor. But First She Created Them PDF Print E-mail
2010 - January 2010
Written by Janer Cristaldo   
Monday, 18 January 2010 02:18

Zilda Arns The pearl of the Antilles - I mean, Haiti - boasts of being the first Latin American country to declare itself independent. United under the leadership of Toussaint L'Ouverture and, later, of former slave Jean-Jacques Dessalines, blacks and mulattos fought the French troops until the proclamation of independence in 1804.

Independence for what? Today, Haiti is the poorest country in the continent. In a list of 180 countries, its per capita GDP ranks 130.

Liberia - I mean, the Free Land - was founded in the nineteenth century by freed slaves from the United States, not having known colonial rule. The country was created by the American Colonization Society, an organization founded in 1816 by Robert Finley, whose aim was to bring to Africa free blacks or blacks who were freed from slavery.

According to Finley and other American leaders, blacks would never be able to integrate into the American society. The only solution would be sending them back to Africa, to avoid crime as well as interracial marriage.

In 1821, the American Colonization Society purchased a parcel of land in Africa, where the first black settlers from the United States would settle down. In 1847, Liberia declared its independence, becoming the first African country to become independent. Independence for what? Today, Liberia is still poorer than Haiti. In the same ranking of 180 countries, its per capita GDP ranks 159.

Conclusion? Before you call me a racist I invoke the testimony of George Samuel Antoine, Haiti's consul in Brazil. Not knowing he was being recorded by the news team of Brazilian TV network SBT, Samuel Antoine said: "Africans themselves carry a curse. Everywhere there are Africans things are f....d up."

Truth is that after saying that he rushed to add that he was misunderstood. But I do not see how he can be misinterpreted. He said and he can't change it. As consul, he should know very well the country he represents.

In 1957, Dr. François Duvalier, a physician better known as Papa Doc, was elected president of Haiti, where he established a government based on terror promoted by the tontons macoutes, members of his personal bodyguard. In 1964, in Fidel Castro or Hugo Chávez's best style, he made himself president for life.

He gave orders for the production of pamphlets, in which, among other information, he called himself God. That was when Haiti became the poorest nation in the continent. When he died in 1971, he was replaced by his son, Jean-Claude Duvalier, Baby Doc, who nowadays eats in Paris the exile's bitter caviar.

I wrote about Zilda Arns, our own Teresa of Calcutta, who died in the earthquake, and stated: "Who knows what I think of Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, the Albanian holier-than-thou lady, knows that by this I don't mean any compliment." There were some readers who questioned me. What have you got against Mother Teresa?

This is a reader who doesn't follow me. Among other feats, Mother Teresa received Haiti's "Légion d'honneur" from the hands of Baby Doc. Not to mention the flowers she used to take to the tomb of one of the bloodiest dictators in the Balkans, Enver Hoxha, her countryman. But I digress, I was talking about Arns, the novel Brazilian saint.

One of my interlocutors wrote, "Janer, your biography could do without this piece. You mix apples and oranges and moreover offend Zilda Arns. This woman managed to create, in Brazil, a service of 250,000 volunteers that serves two million people. The fact she is a religious woman only shows the basis for her ideals. Whatever your phobia for popes, bishops and cardinals, you could have done without committing this unprovoked aggression against someone whose only crime was kindness."

Kindness? In terms. Behind kindness, often hides evil. To be able to care for two million destitutes there have to be two million destitutes. Their number would be lower if there was a policy of reducing birth rate. This, as a good Catholic, Zilda Arns would not accept. She condemned contraception and condoms. The sperm is sacred, as Monty Python used to say.

This criminal attitude of the Roman Church, which only increases poverty in the world, is decimating Africa in droves, by AIDS, in the predominantly Catholic countries. Our own tupiniquim Teresa of Calcutta was complicit in this murderous policy.

With her hypocritical posture, Zilda Arns first created the miserable to serve them afterwards. The Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church is a madam of the miserable. It's not a coincidence that it only grows in poor countries. Without misery is not easy to be a saint. It lacks clientele.

This policy can be seen in São Paulo. When some authority takes into its head to remove beggars from the streets, the churchgoers come out: "Who took away our beggars? We want our beggars back." I'm not using rhetoric. This phrase I read in the Ceciliano, the St Cecília's parish bulletin, here next to where I live. When the beggars were taken off the square around the church, the priests grumbled: we want our beggars back.

Poverty when well exploited brings profit. With thousands of beggars on the streets, the millions of dollars that Misereor, Caritas and other European entities send to the Brazilian Church are guaranteed. With these millions, Arns gave the wretched a soup made of rice, corn, pumpkin seeds and eggshells.

Just yesterday, this swill was welcomed by Senator Flávio Arns, her nephew, as the great "legacy" left by  auntie in the fight against child mortality. Lula is already calling for a posthumous Nobel Prize for the Forquilhinha's holier-than-thou lady.

Obscurantism, the dictionaries say, is the attitude, doctrine, policy or religion that opposes the dissemination of scientific knowledge among the popular classes. Zilda Arns's obscurantism is not limited to the condemnation of birth control.

By positioning herself against experiments with stem cells, the sanitation-expert doctor is denying science and condemning vital experiences to humanity.

As Nietzsche used to say, "The closer you are to science, the greater the crime of being Christian." This lady, the earthquake's star in Haiti, with an obscurantism that brings us to the days when Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church, today is being promoted to saint by the national press.

Last but not least, I have no phobia for popes, bishops or cardinals. I loathe them. It's different.

Janer Cristaldo - he holds a Ph.D. from University of Paris, Sorbonne - is an author, translator, lawyer, philosopher and journalist and lives in São Paulo. His e-mail address is janercr@terra.com.br.

Translated from the Portuguese by Arlindo Silva.



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Interesting read
written by Grace, January 18, 2010
Very interesting and courageous article.
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written by Captain Carnaval, January 18, 2010
Last but not least, I have no phobia for popes, bishops or cardinals. I loathe them. It's different.


A damn provocative article. Racist? Maybe.

But I do agree that the Catholic Church's unhealthy stance over banning contraceptives should have us all screaming in rage. I too LOATHE men who claim to have an invisible man's ear to bend. Still I don't see the facts to prove that what is simply a socially repugnant, maybe even criminally negligent, medieval catholic doctrine is somehow an evil and premeditated means of perpetuating the organization itself. I keep hearing about this "industry of the poor" but I don't see it. I honestly believe religious people have good intentions, and I think the Church does actually believe (for whatever strange bizzarro reason) that "every sperm is sacred" so they don't see the wrong in their actions. It's not some malevolent plot to keep the poor breeding and the cheques from liberal bleeding hearts coming in, it's more akin to Mearton's law of unintended consequences. It's wrong, it should be pointed out to them, maybe even fought legally, but there is no malice on the part of the Church. It's simply naivety and religious pollution getting in the way of rational thinking. Citing a conspiracy is hyper-inflated hyperbole, and I think the author is intelligent enough to make his very important point without invoking the tone and spirit of Alex Jones.
One of the BEST articles EVER!!!!
written by dnbaiacu, January 18, 2010
Very brave indeed. And thanks!!!!smilies/smiley.gif

Hopefully people will wake up to all of the points made in the article.
False religion WILL BE DESTROYED! Thank God!
17 And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.Revelation 17:1


After these things I saw another angel descending from heaven, with great authority; and the earth was lighted up from his glory. 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”
Revelation 18:1-3


21 And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. 22 And the sound of singers who accompany themselves on the harp and of musicians and of flutists and of trumpeters will never be heard in you again, and no craftsman of any trade will ever be found in you again, and no sound of a millstone will ever be heard in you again, 23 and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Revelation 18:21-24


This is the False Christian part of false religion

Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god” or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.


This is the Roman Catholic Church and includes its' protestant break offs. ALL DOOMED!
With her hypocritical posture, Zilda Arns first created the miserable to serve them afterwards. The Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church is a madam of the miserable. It's not a coincidence that it only grows in poor countries. Without misery is not easy to be a saint. It lacks clientele.


Couldn't have put this in ANY better words.

Please wake up people! Our lives are at stake depending on what we BELIEVE. The future is already written. Individually we decide which role we play in this universal stage show.
 For it seems to me that God has put us the apostles last on exhibition as men appointed to death, because we have become a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels, and to men.
1 Thessalonians 4:9


You can learn and stand for Truth and Live

Choose to remain ignorant and Die

Choose to be on the side of Evil and Die.

I know it sounds crazy to some. But this is VERY REAL.
Captain Carnaval
written by dnbaiacu, January 18, 2010
Mearton's law of unintended consequences. It's wrong, it should be pointed out to them, maybe even fought legally, but there is no malice on the part of the Church. It's simply naivety and religious pollution getting in the way of rational thinking. Citing a conspiracy is hyper-inflated hyperbole, and I think the author is intelligent enough to make his very important point without invoking the tone and spirit of Alex Jones


The orgins of the churches teachings are "DEMONIC" , therefore it IS part of a conspiracy.

4 However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, 2 by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; 3 forbidding to marry, commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.
1 Timothy 4:1


 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
Revelation 16:13,14


IT IS WHAT IT IS. smilies/angry.gif

A conspiracy against humanity.
And the "intellectuals" refuse to believe that this could be case. It's almost like they are subconsciously crying "why go on if man is really not in control of anything",,smilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gif

BOO HOOsmilies/shocked.gif

You ARE in control of what you BELIEVE. And this ultimately gives you POWER and a measure of say in the eternal destiny the INTELLIGENT DESIGNER will allow you to have.
HOCUS POCUS??????

Stay Tuned.......smilies/wink.gif
On a final note......
written by dnbaiacu, January 18, 2010
The Church is in cahoots with the U.N. It is just that simple. The Church was NEVER designed to benefit the people. Only oppress and keep ignorant and eventually lend FULL support to the Beast. The United Nations.

People need to stop thinking in terms of their own short life spans. And presidential terms. We hardly use a fraction of our brains. Which means the capacity was DESIGNED for A LOT more memory. So what hint does that give you about the fallacy of thinking in terms of your OWN generation . Let alone 4 and 8 year presidential terms. It's MUCH bigger than that folks. MUCH BIGGER.
The upper echelons of the "elite" and "powers that be" recognize this....

DO YOU?????smilies/shocked.gif
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written by e harmony, January 18, 2010
Kindness? In terms. Behind kindness, often hides evil. To be able to care for two million destitutes there have to be two million destitutes. Their number would be lower if there was a policy of reducing birth rate. This, as a good Catholic, Zilda Arns would not accept. She condemned contraception and condoms. The sperm is sacred, as Monty Python used to say.

This criminal attitude of the Roman Church, which only increases poverty in the world, is decimating Africa in droves, by AIDS, in the predominantly Catholic countries. Our own tupiniquim Teresa of Calcutta was complicit in this murderous policy.


Gratefully a college education helps one differentiate between logical arguments and persuasive (emotional) arguments.

As you well know Janer yours are emotionally based arguments (persuasive) meant to appeal to prejudices, and prey upon an undereducated readership.

"Criminal attitude of the Roman Catholic Church"? I thought - logically - for something to be criminal it had to be illegal or that is to say in violation of state codes and statues? I don't think giving birth to one or more children is a crime punishable by incarceration or death in Brazil yet.

But your real problem - your "evil" lurking behind kindness - I suspect, is an intolerance for democratization. I would suspect your ideal world would be a one party system in which all world views align mimic yours. Given that, it must rather astonish you how a nation like the U.S. with greater deforestation than Brazil, and with the exclusion of Alaska, geographically smaller than Brazil, and with 300 plus million people, can be the richest nation on earth with a mean (average) quality of life surpassing Brazil with only 180 plus million people?

One woman reaching out to the existing poor is a good. China with more people than it had 60 years ago has a better, rising, quality of life now. If a sparse population surrounded by a lot of trees de facto meant a civilization lived like kings, then I guess the Amerindians in the Amazon would be living like the worlds richest pimps.

Children are not the cause of poverty (they are less a factor than educational attainment, location, national economy etc.) only a deficient mind could conclude such a thing.
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written by João da Silva, January 18, 2010
Children are not the cause of poverty (they are less a factor than educational attainment, location, national economy etc.) only a deficient mind could conclude such a thing.


That is a good point,e-harmony. They didn't ask to be brought to this world. However, I must seek clarifications from you on one point: Why cite China which has been practicing birth control and forced abortions for decades?

Very brave indeed. And thanks!!!!


DnB: Do you call the writer "brave" because he sided with the Consul of Haiti and shared his view that the Africans "themselves carry a curse. Everywhere there are Africans things are f....d up."?

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written by João da Silva, January 18, 2010
A damn provocative article. Racist? Maybe.


Provocative? No. Condescending? yes. Racist? Definitely sounds so. But, what else do you expect from a Sorbonne educated "Philosopher,Lawyer and Journalist"?
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written by dnbaiacu, January 18, 2010
Children are not the cause of poverty (they are less a factor than educational attainment, location, national economy etc.) only a deficient mind could conclude such a thing


e Harmony , you miss the point. The PROBLEM is the Church making up rules not found in scripture which adherents THINK they are follow. And having more children than you can afford to have as a direct result of biblical spiritual ignorance IS in fact a problem in a world with limited educational and economic oppurtunity. And this BY DESIGN.

The same thing with the Church forbidding priest to marry. Which ultimately ends up attracting perverts to the clergy!
How can you conscientiously defend this madness?!!!!

The writer of this article is ON POINT. WITH Biblical evidence to support her argument. Supporting and promoting spiritual LIES has been the cause of ALL the bloodshed and corruption on this earth. And the Church is the most responsible because it CLAIMS to serve the interests of the God of the Bible. smilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif
The "Mother Theresas" of the world may INDIVIDUALLY have good intentions. But the organization they are sponsored by is as corrupt as it gets. Please come with evidence otherwise. Please even TRY to defend the Church from a biblical standpoint. (?) .... YOU CAN'T!

DnB: Do you call the writer "brave" because he sided with the Consul of Haiti and shared his view that the Africans "themselves carry a curse. Everywhere there are Africans things are f....d up."?


Joao,,,,
I think the author of the article was clearly saying that African nations dominated by the church and many of its break offs suffer as a direct result of the ignorance the Roman Catholic church is known to promote. Not reading the Bible. All sorts of idolatry. Trinity concepts borrowed from pagan religions. How can you possibly succeed that way. ???smilies/sad.gifsmilies/sad.gifsmilies/sad.gif Everything being a supposed "mystery". Diefy humans. Bowing down to objects. A man degrades his own intelligence that way. It is guaranteed he will be DOMINATED by an entity that KNOWS BETTERsmilies/angry.gif Namely SATAN himself. And all those that conscientiously volunteer to promote his interests.
When there is "spiritism" invovled,, you're in TROUBLE. TRUST that! And false religion HAS to employ spiritism to do what it does so well.
DECIEVE THE MASSES!!smilies/angry.gif

Need I quote again?.....

, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” Revelation 18:23


Say it isn't so my friend.......

All of these "intellectuals", religious and otherwise need to wake up!
There is a spiritual element to ALL that is going on.
Good grief! All the hollywood movies imply it in some way or another. It isn't in our creative pysche for NO APPARENT reason....smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif
Life imitates art. Art imitates life.

People want to BE GOD. So the prefer to believe there ISN'T one. Or at best that He must be sleeping.

Give me break!smilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gif
Love and hate with all the trimmings
written by Dante, January 18, 2010
I agree with Janer in his view of role of catholic doctrine and its responsibility for poverty and all of the stuff that goes with it. I doubt that Zilda was going to alter this doctrine in any way, but maybe she used the church in the best manner that she could to make a small difference in the way we tend to screw things up.

If you were to ask me what I have done about the poor, I would have to shamelessly submit that I have only complained and offered opinions as to what everybody else should do about them. In fact, I feel pretty impotent in the face of the rising poor population. Maybe the Catholic church is responsible, maybe the politicians, maybe its people like me and Janer who can really dish out the criticism but at the end of the day can't really put a finger on what we have done about social or political or religious issues except throw dirt at the ones that have at least done something. Maybe, just maybe I am the only one to blame, since at least Janer takes a position.



Dante
written by João da Silva, January 18, 2010
I doubt that Zilda was going to alter this doctrine in any way, but maybe she used the church in the best manner that she could to make a small difference in the way we tend to screw things up


Very interesting comment, Dante. Considering that Dr.Zilda Arns came from a reasonably wealth family (for her time) and built a successful career in medicine, she could have closed the eyes and paid lip service to the poor. Just like many politicos do. Instead, she used her family connections (read: her brother) to get the help of the Church (I wouldnt use the term "use") to make a "small difference".

Maybe, just maybe I am the only one to blame, since at least Janer takes a position.


Don´t be too hard on yourself. If you have worked hard to create jobs for the poor, that alone is a big help. Hope Janer can proudly say that he has done so.smilies/angry.gif
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 18, 2010
I think the author of the article was clearly saying that African nations dominated by the church and many of its break offs suffer as a direct result of the ignorance the Roman Catholic church is known to promote.


No, DnB. He is involved in a personal feud against a Cardinal Archbishop & Family. If you are impressed with his view (and that of Monsieur Consul of Haiti, in SP) on "Negões" f**king up everywhere they go, it is your right.smilies/sad.gif
Nonsense
written by Charles Scott, January 18, 2010
Your article is crap. You must have gotten your ph.d. over the internet. If you went to the Sorbonne, it is obvious the Sorbonne did not pass through you. Make valid arguments instead of using your keyboard for rubbish.
Charles Scott
written by João da Silva, January 18, 2010
If you went to the Sorbonne, it is obvious the Sorbonne did not pass through you.


smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Glad you joined us.smilies/wink.gif
Joao
written by dnbaiacu, January 18, 2010
Janer speaks the truth. The Church as an organization is corrupt.. Totally corrupt. There is no proof otherwise. It promotes doctrine that have NOTHING to do with the Bible. And has blessed many of wars on both sides. smilies/angry.gif Plenty of bloodshed in the name of Jesus. And is basically a club of pedophiles. No one can dispute this.

No I was NOT impressed with the statement for the consul of Haiti in SP. My argument about that is on that thread. Africans are victims of institutionalized racism the world over. And the adverse effects of colonization. But what continues to hold them down is false beliefs . And as Janer pointed out,, particulary handed to them by the Church and including the variety of Protestant religions that broke off from it.
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 19, 2010
Janer speaks the truth. The Church as an organization is corrupt.. Totally corrupt.


DnB, I am not contesting that Janer is speaking the truth about the Church,but questioning his timing to do so by targeting a person who was not a nun, but related to a priest. Not many people knew about her or the work until she died. The Brasilian press and the politicians made her a heroine and martyr after her death and while she was alive, nobody gave her any press coverage.In case you have been keeping track of the coverage of her death in this magazine, not many people commented, except ASP and me. Though she was of German descent and white, she was not a racist (not to my knowledge).

As far as I know, she was not aiming for a Nobel Peace award, though she was nominated by the previous government. The current government took up the opportunity of her death to promote its own image as well as to nominate her again for the coveted award. I doubt she would get it and I don't think her family would be upset if she didn't.

What really surprised me was the author calling someone who didn't agree with his philosophy, "Forquilhinha's holier-than-thou lady". What does the small town where she was born to do with the whole issue?

As for your statement:

No I was NOT impressed with the statement for the consul of Haiti in SP. My argument about that is on that thread.


But Janer seemed to be impressed and sounded he was in agreement with the Consul´s remarks!

Well, I have read Janer´s articles in Portuguese and I know a bit more about his "line of thoughts".
Drag Queen
written by Edu Prado, January 19, 2010
Janer Cristaldo, you are such a retard, I´m sure you´ll find legions of retards to follow you.

So, tell me, what the difference between a Janer and a beggar?

I can´t see any.

If you don´t want to have or what kill your children, that doesn´t mean other people must do what you think in your little mind is right.

I personally preffer a beggar then a Janer. A Janer costs more, polutes more, hates more and wright much more crap.You just bring trash to this planet, and you think you are somehow special, how cute is that? You look un the mirrow and say, I´m Janer, I´m sooooo sssssspecial!!!!!

Just because you can buy stuff, and read Nietzsche, you are ssssspecial. You stand out, like a drag queen...
Joao
written by dnbaiacu, January 19, 2010
smilies/smiley.gif Thanks for the info.. I really don't know much about this "Janer" or his beef with this family. All I DO know is that the Church is sinister. And although this lady is more than likely sincere and goodhearted and will be "ressurrected" to better conditions ( bless her) smilies/smiley.gif, the Church has always had a scheme against the masses. And its "fruits" show.
The woman in question is not the real issue at hand. It is Church policy of keeping people "ignorant" as a means to "exploit" them.smilies/angry.gif It's despicable! And it touches me personally because I see so many I am close to blinded and adversely affected by this madness.
But at the end of the day it is a choice to believe whatever you believe and be ignorant. I KNOW the same is said about me.
But somehow , some way I believe people know the Truth when they hear itsmilies/wink.gif. They just don't want to accept it. smilies/wink.gif.......
Unbelievable such hypocrisy
written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 19, 2010
This article is revolting. It is hypocritical, oversimplified and lacks much historical context. It's absurd the level of stupidity that takes someone to explain the mess in the world this way. Blaming religious values people, like Zilda Arns, hold to explain poverty that only greed, selfishness and pride can satisfactorily give an answer is pathetical and idiotic. Jader (does he embrace any religion? Let me guess he's got Jewish upbringing??)is one rightist with clear facist features.

Why the USA and France do not cancel Haiti's foreing debt?? After all France colonized Haiti. And the USA raped the country's natural resouces (rubber and sisal) till its total depletion and desertification of Haiti's soil. The USA helped the installation of the bloody dictatorship. Nothing new in the South America.

Did Janer say that generous people who gain nothing through charity Need poor people? IMF have always needed poor people and countries to suck their blood to have a reason of its existance, to their profit and convenience using their economic policies to keep countries underdeveloped, and dependant. Or did this financial intitution lend money because they are benevolent? For decades they have been the masters influencing from politics to structural investiments to high interest rates, inflation in those countries.
Sorbonne Intellectualism: Zilda Arns first created the miserable....?
written by DU 48, January 19, 2010
The author's contempt for matters temporal concerning the Christian Churches is as valid as the growing alarm over the way the US appears to be controlling the aid and relief effort in Haiti.

Like hundreds of people involved in helping those who are suffering in Haiti, Zilda Arns, by her deeds alone, is worthy of respect and admiration, irrespective of her Catholicism with all its failures.

Haiti exemplifies the worst aspects of human excesses. Its future is now being decided once again by the likes of Bush and Clinton- a sobering thought...
Dante
written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 19, 2010
If you recognize you haven't done nothing, that's because you're not a hypocrite. If you have enherited the work ethos don't judge people because they try to help minimize the suffering of who weren't so privileged. The catholic church does have its portion of responsibility for porverty but are they the only ones to blame?? Be fair and you'll be as good as being charitable.
Dante
written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 19, 2010
If you recognize you haven't done nothing, that's because you're not a hypocrite. If you have enherited the work ethos don't judge people because they try to help minimize the suffering of who weren't so privileged. The catholic church does have its portion of responsibility for porverty but are they the only ones to blame?? Be fair and you'll be as good as being charitable.
Dante
written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 19, 2010
If you recognize you haven't done nothing, that's because you're not a hypocrite. If you have enherited the work ethos don't judge people because they try to help minimize the suffering of who weren't so privileged. The catholic church does have its portion of responsibility for porverty but are they the only ones to blame?? Be fair and you'll be as good as being charitable.
Nancy
written by Dante, January 20, 2010
Thanks, I did some shooting from the lip. Indeed, the Catholic Church is not the only participant in worldwide problem. I say participant because one does not necessarily need to either condemn or condone the church and its policies. They do some good things that the rest of us ignore and some stuff that we don't agree with for which we beat them up. In fact, I was unfair to myself since I think that I have done many things to help other people, my self criticism comes from still feeling impotent to make a difference that is measurable (sorry, engineers seem to feel the need to quantify everything). I see a lot of time and energy spent on criticizing (I too am guilty) what others do. I fear that it may be in our nature to allow suffering as a means of self justification. One need not promote suffering, just allowing it makes it proliferate. Thanks for the heads up.
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written by João da Silva, January 20, 2010
The author's contempt for matters temporal concerning the Christian Churches is as valid as the growing alarm over the way the US appears to be controlling the aid and relief effort in Haiti.


Good analogy!

BTW, our Fearless Defense Minister seems to be no different from the author or the Consul of Haiti.smilies/wink.gif
correction
written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 20, 2010
Work ethics not ethos

Dante, actually it was refreshing to read your words as it nourishes a small hope not all is lost.
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written by nancy lima cardoso peixoto, January 20, 2010
Work ethics not ethos

Dante, actually it was refreshing to read your words as it nourishes a small hope not all is lost.
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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
That is a good point,e-harmony. They didn't ask to be brought to this world. However, I must seek clarifications from you on one point: Why cite China which has been practicing birth control and forced abortions for decades?


Because China has always had a large population with most the population being serfs. There are other reasons - more significant I would say - for the rising quality of life in China.

Poverty has existed under officially atheists governments (the U.S. Government in contrasts is secular but not officially atheist by creed).
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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
I'll have to break up my reply into separate posts because my original is too long and will not post.

e Harmony , you miss the point. The PROBLEM is the Church making up rules not found in scripture which adherents THINK they are follow. And having more children than you can afford to have as a direct result of biblical spiritual ignorance IS in fact a problem in a world with limited educational and economic oppurtunity. And this BY DESIGN.

The same thing with the Church forbidding priest to marry. Which ultimately ends up attracting perverts to the clergy!
How can you conscientiously defend this madness?!!!!

The writer of this article is ON POINT. WITH Biblical evidence to support her argument. Supporting and promoting spiritual LIES has been the cause of ALL the bloodshed and corruption on this earth. And the Church is the most responsible because it CLAIMS to serve the interests of the God of the Bible. smilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif
The "Mother Theresas" of the world may INDIVIDUALLY have good intentions. But the organization they are sponsored by is as corrupt as it gets. Please come with evidence otherwise. Please even TRY to defend the Church from a biblical standpoint. (?) .... YOU CAN'T!


You might want to look at this annual report as one small example of global Catholicism within the avenues of charity (in a secular government sense, we might refer to it as a redirecting government funds, or a "cash transfer program"): http://www.caritas.org/resourc...ort08.html

That is one organization within global Catholicism. But imagine this, last I've read, the German Catholic Church (the Catholic Church in Germany) alone spends more money on Latin America than the entire U.S. budget for world development. Of course, I read that several years ago, so my information may be dated. Nonetheless, if you read the first 4 pages of that Caritas 2008 annual report, it should state that the U.S. Governments $700 billion dollar bailout to the banks etc, was approximately what the 24 richest nations on earth collectively paid over 10 years time to global aid.

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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
Continued


I actually do a bit of reading on Christian and Catholic history. I've read books from scholars and historians that are Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, and even agnostic in creed. I do a little bit of military history reading too. I think you could do a little more of both.

The bible is a book written by human beings. Given that it is subjected to the natural phenomenon we might denote as time. By that I mean we can date it to having a beginning, as opposed to having always existed even before time - or temporality.

What we call the Christian bible is something specific. It is single book that is a composition of multitudes of texts of various dates ranging from B.C.E. to C.E. These texts were originally written in Hebrew and Greek. Hence the book of John referring to Jesus by the Greek pagan philosophical concept of Logos. The author being exposed to and influenced by Greek culture.

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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
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Given all of this who decided what texts would be placed in the bible and which texts would not? Ancient Christian communities read many Gnostic texts that are not even in the bible. The Christian bible was canonized as we have it today - birthed in other words - about 300 years after the death of Christ in a North Africa by a meeting of Catholic bishops of the world at that time. This was before Catholics divided into the Catholic West, Nesotorians, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox.

Nesotorians persecuted by Byzantine Christians and Emperors went into their own worlds stretched throughout Iraq into China and Tibet. They were the great scholars of the Mongols and usually the wives of their Khans. They formed some of the greatest schools of the ancient era incorporating Syrian, Indian, Greek, and Roman learning. Later they would pass much of their learning on to the Islamic Arabs who would establish renowned schools of medical science and perform eye surgery centuries before secular American high schools some how accomplish graduating functionally illiterate and fully illiterate pupils.

Nesotorians like the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are truly catholic with the small "c." They are as catholic as Catholics of the Catholic Church. Nesotorians had and have priests, Bishops, and sacraments. Look up the modern day Assyrian Church of the East. To understand catholicism or catholicity one needs to look toward ancient Iraq, China, Tibet, and Egypt as much as Rome and Greece.

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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
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But that has little to do with the issue poverty and children. Poverty has always existed in this world - long before Pentecost and the birth of Christianity. War predates Christianity as well. If we were to use the rational methods of thought used in the fields of science and logic, dispassionate and objective, we might investigate those societies past and present with little to no influence by the Catholic Church. Say... modern day Islamic Indonesia, the Dali Lama's Tibet (before China's invasion) or Russia when it was under atheist communism. Did poverty exist? Is the mean (average) quality of life higher in Rome, Milan, or Venice than in most of Indonesia or the most enduring atheist parts of Eastern Europe?

Osama Bin Laden was came from a wealthy family, despite being his father's 50th or so child. On the other hand, there a single women in the United States, drug addicted, high school dropouts with no children but still impoverished. Mind you, sometimes in what economist refer to as "relative poverty" as opposed to "absolute poverty" or abject poverty.

If you are poor, having children will impact your ability to escape poverty. In a society that is not so corrupt, were capitalism governed by some government regulations exists, where the "playing field" is made somewhat fair, a person with a dependent can still rise out of poverty, albeit with correct or wise choices and help.

The Catholic Church does not teach that poor people should intentionally have more children then they can afford. Quite the opposite. It was a Catholic Priest - now become a black Catholic Bishop in Chicago - that advised me to enroll in college, so that if I ever have children, I can better provide for them. What the Catholic Church teaches against - whether one agrees with the Church or not - is that abortion and artificial birth control methods are sinful.

Furthermore, statistical science would show most Catholics do not adhere to Catholic moral teaching regarding condoms. In fact just within the United States, Catholic women have more abortions than any other religious category of women in the U.S., So, by scientific query, it does not bear out Catholic Bishops birth and propagated poverty throughout atheist Soviet Russia, Hindu India, Confucius China, Buddhist Tibet or the societies of Mississippi and Haiti that share a heritage of exploitation and slavery built around race and color.
Summa Economica
written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
German Jesuit economist ten volume tome now available in English.

http://credo.stormloader.com/Morals/summaeco.htm
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written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
Source for the "ten volume tome now available in English." http://www.newoxfordreview.org...205-storck
Essay About G.K. Chesterton and Heinrich Pesh
written by e harmony, January 20, 2010
An essay about G.k. Chesterton and Heinrich Pesh, both of whom were influential thinkers in the modern age of Catholicism.

Chesterton a layman and accomplished novelist and essayist who offered a vague economic philosophy he called "distributism" as an alternative to unrestrained capitalism and state run socialism.

Heinrich Pesh a Jesuit priest and university educated economist who penned his magnum opus the so-called, "Summa Economica." Pesh developed a much more in-depth economic model (I don't mean "model" in the mathematic sense) than Chesterton, and one that was predicated on the concept he called "solidarity."

Essay: http://distributist.blogspot.c...pesch.html

For those that do not know, what is termed "Catholic Social Teaching," is a body of work that began in the late 1800's with some Papal encyclicals. This social teaching was absent from Catholic history until then, as might be noticed, with centuries of Catholic acceptance of slavery (what economist define as the ownership of persons and their work, as opposed to post-slavery times in which employers own their labor's work but not person).

Indeed, must human history has been absent of our refined understanding of social justice. Even our contemporary understanding may be lacking.
eHarmony
written by dnbaiacu, January 20, 2010
Catholic women have more abortions than any other religious category of women in the U.S., So, by scientific query, it


Basically what you are saying, and there are MANY other examples,is that most Catholics don't go by the teachings of the Bible.
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We know this already. How can the blind lead the blind?

Then the disciples came up and said to him: “Do you know that the Pharisees stumbled at hearing what you said?” 13 In reply he said: “Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. 14 LET them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit. Matthew 15:12-14


We all know that poverty has always existed. And always will under a global MAN lead society.
8 For YOU have the poor always with YOU, but me YOU will not have always.”
John 12:8



The Catholic Church does not teach that poor people should intentionally have more children then they can afford


No, it teaches and frowns upon the use of birth control. Which use of ,(outside of abortion) is not a mandate in scripture.

So you have a double edged horrific sword.. The majority violating their Catholic sponsored , supposedly biblically inspired consciences. And the fooish rest that think they are doing the right thing by NOT using birth control. smilies/angry.gif

What the Catholic Church teaches against - whether one agrees with the Church or not - is that abortion and artificial birth control methods are sinful.


Abortion , yes,, biblically speaking is murder
13 For you yourself produced my kidneys;
You kept me screened off in the belly of my mother.
14 I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.
15 My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them. Psalm 138:13-16



God recognizes embryos as a legitimate life.
But before a conception takes place there is no biblical mandate condemning birth control, be it artificial or not.
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written by dnbaiacu, January 20, 2010
In short,, Christianity is supposed to ENLIGHTEN people. NOT hold them down. And when LIES are taught, worse, in the name of God , people are held down. And the Catholic Church has a history of keeping people ignorant spiritually ON PURPOSE! They hindered translation of the Bible for centuries. Burned people at the stake for reading it and trying to translate it. And it has never really promoting real Bible education in general. So the worse poverty that comes as a result is SPIRITUAL poverty.
You should know that when scripture is studied and applied it limits the maleffects that an oppressive system has on people. You avoid bad habits. Become thrifty as well as a dilligent worker. Above all , one learns to live within their means and avoids debt. These are basic principles that helps one either avoid poverty or rise above it.
Now please explain the plight of developing nations , many of which are PREDOMINATELY CATHOLIC...
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And what explains the extreme opulence of the Church in general?

Let the Bible explain.....
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and was adorned with gold and precious stone and pearls and had in her hand a golden cup that was full of disgusting things and the unclean things of her fornication.Revelation 17:4


The governments of the earth pimp and patronize religion, (the Catholic Church in a large way) and she shares in these profits while she exploits people herself.
For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”
Revelation 18:3


She lives in shameless luxury and countries she dominates feed that!
It all boils down to demonic use of the natural law of polarities. The consciousness of men and civilizations are easily manipulated by those with the understanding. And ignorance will lead inviduals and entire countries prey to the manipulation if one does NOT avail themselves of the knowledge. ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE.

But she's done!
To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because the Lord, who judged her, is strong. Revelation 18:7


e Harmony,,, sorry,, but you are cheering for the wrong team. smilies/sad.gifsmilies/sad.gif

I actually do a bit of reading on Christian and Catholic history. I've read books from scholars and historians that are Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, and even agnostic in creed. I do a little bit of military history reading too. I think you could do a little more of both.


I've very well read and STUDIED and all the topics you mentioned. I encourage YOU to study your Bible to get a clearer understanding of the world you see around you. It's all there. And you don't have to be that smart.
And that is by DESIGN. smilies/wink.gif
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written by e harmony, January 21, 2010
dn,

It has been said - not to mention depicted in the New Testament with the long fast of Jesus in the desert - that the devil can quote scripture to suit his purpose.

There are respected biblical scholars that are Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox. This is important to understand as proper biblical scholarship requires not only the appropriate education, but a life time of work. Picking up the bible and reading - not to mention if you are functionally illiterate - means little.

The Christian bible itself is a Catholic religious work. One that uses the ancient Hebrew Jewish Torah. Basically what I am saying is that the Christian Church predates the Christian bible, and that the Church is superior to the bible. The bible did not create the Church. Pentecost is when the Christian Church was birthed, not when the printing press was invented.

The predominately Catholic nations exploited by European nations in the past, which remain poor today, are impoverished nations for reason much larger than religion. A major reason is because of what is termed "neo-colonialism." Something the United States certainly isn't innocent of.

Nations like Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Ireland have a quality of life and per capita income above most of the world. They are predominantly Catholic. Their are close to 200 nation-states on earth it should be remembered. Even most of the countries of Latin America are not the worse off. Their per capita incomes are average for the world. Haiti might be a different case (as well as certain regions within a given country, e.g., the rural Northeast of Brazil)

Someone on this site that knows a lot more about economics I'm sure can expound on macro and micro economics a lot better than I can, so, I'll leave that to them.
eHarmony
written by dnbaiacu, January 21, 2010
How the poor got here and stay here is irrevelant. All the economics and politics involved are HUMAN based. THIS is the issue. It's been the issue since the "beginning". What happens when man decides for HIMSELF what is good and bad.
4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.”Genesis 3:4

According to the Bible, if that is what you choose believe. The first human couple BELIEVED THE LIEsmilies/sad.gif

So this experiment of MAN RULE began. Let's all see ,God ,angels and humans alike , WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MEN RULE THEMSELVES.
One of the devastating effects eHarmony is POVERTYsmilies/sad.gif
You are going to have it no matter what religion or government style simply because of this.
All this I have seen, and there was an applying of my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, [during] the time that man has dominated man to his injury. Ecclesiastes 8:9


Men dominating other men in various ways is at the root of global poverty.
We all know a SURE way of creating those that "HAVE" in contrast to "HAVE NOTS" is by promoting IGNORANCE. It's simple math. You don't KNOW BETTER. YOU WON"T DO BETTERsmilies/sad.gif Thousands year old tactic.

Men are designed to BELIEVE in something. And what you believe about yourself and your existences is critical in navigating in an oppressive world.
The bible did not create the Church. Pentecost is when the Christian Church was birthed, not when the printing press was invented.


I am not sure if you are questioning the biblical canon as we have it to date. But rest assure , if God is REAL , he can make sure that the Bible would not be tampered with beyond recognition. smilies/wink.gif
You must be Catholic yourself because they tend to question A LOT of things about the very book they claim to believe in.
Could you explain what is the point in that?smilies/shocked.gif

On that note, there is plenty of archeological evidence that shows that the Bible we have today is not far off in translation from some of the oldest manuscripts found in both Hebrew and Greek texts. But that would have to be something you need to research for yourself, IF and in fact it interests you. smilies/wink.gif
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written by dnbaiacu, January 21, 2010
Nations like Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Ireland have a quality of life and per capita income above most of the world. They are predominantly Catholic. Their are close to 200 nation-states on earth it should be remembered. Even most of the countries of Latin America are not the worse off. Their per capita incomes are average for the world. Haiti might be a different case (as well as certain regions within a given country, e.g., the rural Northeast of Brazil)



Wrong turn here.smilies/sad.gif How could you take it there?

This phenomenon is racial make-up hiearchy. Clearly Europeans will take care of their own. With good Darwinistic reasoning. Which it seems the Catholic Church leans towards. And if I am not mistaken you yourself said you believe in evolution. smilies/cry.gif

Latin American is just 1st tier plantation eHarmony. A country like Haiti would be last.. And let's not forget the Africans did not CHOOSE Catholicism. It was FORCED upon them.smilies/angry.gif
WOULD JESUS DO THAT?.........

It appears to me you have read too much for your own good. Because you sound confused. You support , or appear to support Catholicism which supposedly uses the Bible as it's reference for its' beliefs . Yet you question it with theories that serve to debunk its credibility.
This is typical and is to be expected. In Revelation it clearly implies that adherents to false religion would be spiritually confused, drunk as it were.

And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”Revelation 17:1,2

I encourage you to do more Bible study to balance out what you think you know about history and world events.
eHarmony,, last but definitely not least....
written by dnbaiacu, January 21, 2010
There are respected biblical scholars that are Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox. This is important to understand as proper biblical scholarship requires not only the appropriate education, but a life time of work. Picking up the bible and reading - not to mention if you are functionally illiterate - means little.


There you go with the typical "clergy vs laity" stance to Biblical understanding.

The blind , deaf , dumb and illiterate can understand the basics of the Bible. LIVE by it . And benefit from the purpose that it serves. It was never meant to be an intellectual exercise. God in fact favors "os humildes". I can be illiterate and someone READ the Bible to me and I FOLLOW it. And in God's sight , I'm fine.smilies/smiley.gif

13 Now when they beheld the outspokenness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were men unlettered and ordinary, they got to wondering. And they began to recognize about them that they used to be with Jesus; Acts4:13

At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes. Matthew 11:25


 For it is written: “I will make the wisdom of the wise [men] perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual [men] I will shove aside.” 20 Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing. 1Corinthians 1:19-21


It is what it is eHarmony. No one is "twisting" scripture here. And it really all boils down to what you want to BELIEVE anyway.
The world is finding out NOW in a big way that peace and security on this earth depends on what you BELIEVE.smilies/shocked.gif

So the question everyone should be asking themselves is if what I BELIEVE is actually TRUE.........smilies/wink.gif
Of Janer, reporters, news, justification and DNBAIACU
written by Dante, January 25, 2010
Ok Janer, your mission is accomplished,,,,,you got a lot of us going without news or facts or even coherent logic. We end up with "the question everyone should be asking themselves is if what I BELIEVE is actually TRUE........." Which probably makes about as much sense as anything that you wrote. DNBAIACU, you have my vote as the next most likely to succeed and look forward to your article. Janer, I conclude that if it has your name attached I will pass on it. Good luck and don't drop out of therapy amigo.
The Church Causes Suffering to Alleviate It
written by Softtouchmale, January 30, 2010
Much like a shill at a carnival booth or an auction, the Roman Catholic Church has created misery in order to alleviate it.

The strict ban on birth control and abortion, and its inability to adjust to the realities as exposed by Rev. Thomas Malthus over 200 years ago, all point to a complete break-down in society.

Go to any large city anywhere in the 3rd world and you will find 1 percent controls 90 percent of the resources, while 99 percent remain poor. And these poor are the clients of the Church relying on it for their subsistence.

The Church in turn hoards its riches while insisting that the poor explode populations, strain food and other critical resources to their breaking point and then offer to alleviate the suffering.

Why force people to make starving children? Because without beggars, there is no base.

In developed nations, particularly in Scandinavia, atheism, spiritualism and non-Catholicism seems to dominate. But then again, the populations are not straining the resources of those nations. They support birth control and abortion.

If the Church would get off its pedestal and stop hanging everything on the pelvic issues, it could allocate its wealth to helping the poor and assisting them in preventing unnecessary and unwanted births.
wow, a positive bunch!
written by Holy!, February 22, 2010
Life is an opportunity, benefit from it. Life is beauty, admire it. Life is bliss, taste it. Life is a dream, realize it. Life is a challenge, meet it. Life is a duty, complete it. Life is a game, play it. Life is a promise, fulfill it. Life is sorrow, overcome it. Life is a song, sing it. Life is a struggle, accept it. Life is a tragedy, confront it. Life is an adventure, dare it. Life is luck, make it. Life is too precious, do not destroy it. Life is life, fight for it.
Mother Teresa
This was a statement, not from a pedophile, not a pro-choicer, not a promoter of 'beggars' as a basis for religion. This woman knew much more than anyone on this panel about human suffering and looked it in the face and DID something. And she was a Catholic through and through, though sometime full of fear, and who and what she was (who I believe was more of a proponent of God than anyone philosophizing on 'who is dominating who'). I am really insulted by most of what I read on this board, all supposedly about Catholicism, because more often than not, it's being said like the same tired arguments I always hear like these.
I have been to several countries where Catholicism thrives and I can say I felt more peace there than in countries where the people pretend things more than what the 'Catholic Church' does. I came here, to this thread, by accident (I was doing a search for Mother Teresa) and realized I really did trip into the gutter!!!

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