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Under Complicit Silence of Nation Lula Is Swindling Brazil with the Rafales PDF Print E-mail
2010 - January 2010
Written by Reinaldo Azevedo   
Tuesday, 19 January 2010 17:29

French RafaleWere it not for this kind of collective abduction that we are all subjected to with "The Man" doing as he pleases over the institutions - and the public morality - the case of the Rafale fighter jets would be treated for what it is: a scandal, perhaps Lula administration's largest one. It is not like that because I want to. That's the way it is.

India has opened an international tender for the purchase - Warning! - of 126 fighters. Value the Indian Air Force is willing to pay: US$ 10 billion. Six models were in the first round of selection: the Americans F 18 and F 16, the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Russian MiG 35, the Swedish Gripen NG and the Rafale.

Only one fighter was dropped at the beginning of the dispute: the Rafale. Rationale: it did not meet the minimum technical performance required by the Indian Air Force.

As you know, the Rafale is the fighter Lula decided to buy going against the recommendation made by the Air Force, which is who knows about the field in Brazil. Lula, the Man with the Styrofoam head, is an expert on other matters.

Many might ask the question: "But is the scandal in the fact that the Indian Air Force rejected the Rafale Lula wants to buy?" No! I've told you where it is. The problem is that the current abduction is preventing us from seeing things quickly enough. I'll get there soon. Before, some other considerations. Ah, yes: after reading this piece, you can get more details on the Indian tender in the Indian Defence site: http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4326. Moving on.

While the Rafale was in competition, Nicolas Sarkozy, the aircraft peddler and Carla Bruni's husband, engaged in the very same lobby efforts he has been doing in Brazil. The difference is that in India the assessment is really technical.

Over there it's not enough just to flatter the absolutist emperor, to shower him with bowing and scraping, to elect him "Man of the Year" in order to pocket a few billion. Since the tender's start, note the Indian sites that dealt with the matter, the Rafale was considered the worst alternative among - attention! - SEVEN MODELS.

Did the so-called mainstream media, that the rabble petralha (a mix of the ruling party PT and Irmãos Metralha, the way Walt Disney's Beagle Boys are known in Brazil) accuses of being "antigovernment" (you can roll with laughter), get interested in the subject? From what I found only the online Estadão published a Reuters write-up on April 16 of last year. The issue disappeared since.

As you know, the Brazilian Air Force also does not want the Rafale. Among the three fighters it evaluated, it preferred the Swedish Gripen NG. The F-18 came in second. The last one was the French plane. How has the government of the Le Monde's Man of the Year reacted? It considered the possibility of punishing what it called the report's leak.  Who ever heard of the Air Force meddling with fighters?

Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim, a giant of philosophy, even bigger inside than outside, got carried out in metaphysical speculations: "Sometimes the cheap comes out expensive." Samuel Pinheiro Guimarães, the head of the government's anti-American wing and Sealopra (Long-term Planning Secretariat), asked if we would buy a car just thinking about the price...

These people's mediocrity is astounding, especially when they try to mimic Lula in his spurious philosophy and metaphors. What in the president aspires to be popular knowledge shows its real content in the mouth of the doctors: pure and simple coarseness.

And the scandal, beyond the fact that Lula announced the victor when the evaluation was in progress? Come on. Dassault, which makes the Rafales, offered to sell 126 fighter jets to India by US$ 10 billion. Average price of each plane: US$ 79,365,079.36. Brazil is willing to pay 10 billion reais for 36 planes - or US$ 5,681,818,181.

Dividing the dollar amount by the number of devices, one arrives at the unit cost: US$ 157,828,282.82. Each Rafale costs Brazil more than double what it would cost India. Attention: WE ARE TALKING THE SAME TYPE OF AIRCRAFT AND TENDERS HELD AT THE SAME TIME.

Now I understand what Mr. Samuel Pinheiro Guimarães means when he says we don't buy a car only for the price. In this case, it seems you also buy to please the supplier, isn't it? Who, who knows, if he has not the heart as hard as the Pharaoh's, will give the buyer at least a key ring souvenir.

As for Amorim, what to think? Not even an antithesis made into a popular cliche resists this monument, soon reverted to a tautology: the expensive comes out expensive!

It is incredible that one of the most important deals of the Lula administration, with a semblance, history and numbers of a swindle is being done under the complicit silence of much of the press and, as expected, the opposition.

Reinaldo Azevedo is a columnist for the weekly magazine Veja and maintains a blog at this address: http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reinaldo/



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Is anyone . . .
written by Ricky March, January 19, 2010
surprised? Did I see the word "kickbacks" in this article anywhere?
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written by João da Silva, January 19, 2010
surprised? Did I see the word "kickbacks" in this article anywhere?


No I am not surprised! Reinaldo would never allege about "kickbacks", but probably left to the readers to decide if there were or not.

To be honest, this is the first time I am seeing an article of Reinaldo Azevedo being translated and published in this magazine. I read his blog almost everyday and comment once in a while.

A good article and hope Reinaldo participates in this forum or delegates authority to his wife Dª. Reinalda to do so.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by João da Silva, January 19, 2010
I did go through the website indicated by Reinaldo and I am reproducing the content for our fellow bloggers:

The French Rafale fighter has been knocked off a $ 10 billion contract to provide 126 combat aircraft for the Indian Air Force. The French fighter, which was one of the six contenders for the race, was officially rejected by the Defence Ministry for failing to meet qualitative requirements for the contract.

The news comes as a bit of a shock as the Indian Air Force has been maintaining that all six contenders – the American F 18 and F 16, the Eurofighter Typhoon, Russian MiG 35, Swedish Gripen NG and the French fighter – had met the technical requirements.

However, a senior defence ministry official made is clear on Thursday that RafalE has been rejected at the technical evaluation stage for failing to meet minimum performance requirements that had been detailed in the tender document. The flight trials for the remaining five fighters are now expected to commence within three months, a senior MoD official said.

"They did not meet the requirements and will not proceed to the next stage. We hope to begin trials within three months with the others that have qualified," a top Defence Ministry official said.

While the French fighter was always considered an underdog in the competition, which has been described as the largest international defence contract in the world, it was been aggressively pushed by the French government. Former President Jacques Chirac and his successor Nichols Sarkozy have been talking about the fighter in all their interactions with India.


India has some hostile neighbors and it is important for them to choose the right Fighter for their air defense. They rejected the RAFALE and I don't think it is to spite the French or Sarko. Their decision was based purely on technical/economic analysis, like that of our FAB. If our "Rulers" are insisting on basing their decisions on "Political" and "Strategic" reasons, it means several things and I will let our fellow bloggers to discover them.smilies/wink.gif
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written by Rodrigo Barbosa, January 19, 2010
You make a good point, but let's not forget that the fact that Embraer is supposed to benefit from the technology transfer is probably more important to Lula then the actual fighter itself.
The only thing I really regret about the deal is that the Rafale (as it is now) doesn't include the AESA radar tech in the deal. This is not very important for commercial aviation, but is a big deal for air supremacy.

Also it would be reasonable that the government raised the airforce budget to accomodate the astronomical cost of operating Rafales.

If indeed the technology transfer is full and unrestricted, then I believe it is worth expending a little more money on it (I know Saab offer also predicted some transfer, but Rafale is more advanced and is widely tested, while the Grippen is still a work in progress). Also, it will make brazilian airforce looks really cool in comparison with its neighbors.
doesn't include the AESA radar? Says who?
written by Nicholas (usa_male), January 19, 2010
I'm not an expert but I found this comment from Mr Jean-Marc Goujon, Thales Aerospace's head of marketing and product policy.


"We are the only ones offering [to transfer] all equipment, including source codes," says Jean-Noël Stock, Thales's head of the Rafale programme. This pledge includes the company's RBE2 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which is expected to secure production status with a French order before year-end to equip a fourth batch of Rafales for its air force and navy.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/10/327206/paris-air-show-rafales-fighting-chance.html

Except
written by JohnBuena, January 20, 2010
The Rafale was not dropped from the Indian MRCA competition !
http://www.avionews.com/index....dex.php.

The Author seems misinformed so here is a flight-test of the Rafale by the former british Red Arrows leader.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/11/09/334383/flight-test-dassault-rafale-rampant-rafale.html

corrected URL
written by JohnBuena, January 20, 2010
corrected URL
written by JohnBuena, January 20, 2010
Again...
written by kelesis, January 20, 2010
This article is a nonsense!

The Rafale has not been dropped from the Indian competition! this statement (may 2009) has been denied month ago! It seems that the Indian pilots prefers the Rafale wich is also in head of technical assessments... BTW, the american aircraft will probably win the competition for political reasons (remember something?).

Regarding Brazil, Rafale is a much better aircraft than the Gripen NG, there is no discussion about it... FAB said it was the most expensive, that's all. And specialists says that the idea of FAB is to do their best for FX-2 to fail in order to get the F-35 in a new competition.

Buying 36 units of aircraft can't be the same price than buying 126 aircraft because of the productions costs... BTW Dassault has never revealed the price in India or in Brazil. Your statement is purely speculative!

Stop with this well known american web propaganda and please try to make an opinion by yourself. Rafale is considered by many experts around the world as the best figther in activity : search for Peter Collins article named "Rampant Rafale" (an english flying test of rafale), search for the results of the last exercices in UAE when Rafale outfiled all his opponents (Typhoon and F-22) and search for the results of the 2008 red flag in Nellis when Rafale was superior to F-18 and F-16.
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written by kelesis, January 20, 2010
For your information

Please read this :

http://airforces.fr/2009/12/20/rafale-vs-typhooneurofighter/

And please listen to this podcast :

http://g2globalsolutions.com/review/?p=3248

Thx
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written by Sintra, January 20, 2010
The 10 Billion US dolars "number" for the Indian Air Force MRCA contract IS NOT a Dassault offer.
When the original "RFI" (Request for information) was released by the Indian MOD, the 10 Billion US$ was mentioned in that document has the budget for the program.
That doesnt mean that the several competing companies presented an offer for 126 fighters at exactly that budget, some of them might have complied with that number, some of them certainly have offered aircrafts at a much higher cost, thats the case of Dassault. If the higher bids are accepted and pass the RFI to a final RFP (Request for proposals) contest is totaly dependent on the evaluation by the Indian Government, right now, all six teams (including Dassault) are on a evaluation phase, none of them have been "booted" out. There were false news that two of the contestants had been discarded, first SAAB, and then Dassault. Those news were explicitly denied by the Indian MOD.
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written by João da Silva, January 20, 2010
It is very amusing to read the comments of many in this thread who sound like the salesmen for Dassault! Fine, the Indians haven't yet eliminated the RAFALE from the race. Good for Sarko & Dassault. The Indian sites that our fellow bloggers indicated give news dating back to May 2009. So we don't know the current thinking of Lula´s "Amigo Singh" of India. If there are some Indian bloggers in this thread, they could tell us more about how RAFALE is faring with their government.

In the meantime I would request ya all to read the following link and come out with answers to the questions put forth by many Brasilians, including myself:

http://www.brazzil.com/compone...-view.html

All the best to Sarko in his efforts to sell 36 RAFALES to Brasil.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, January 21, 2010
I wish Brazil would look inward for a fighter plane rather than outward. What is the threat that demands an airplane as sophisticated as the Rafale? The Air Force and Brazil's own aerospace industry are correct; there is a golden opportunity for Brazil to invest in its own future and independence that will be lost if the purchase is one of outside manufacture. Granted, there are some areas of expertise that will need to be developed, but with the huge sums of money being thrown about, it seems as if it could be purchased and brought to Brazil. Brazil is not France, Russia, or the United States. It is a country with its own special requirements, and I wonder how well Brazil's needs can really be served by purchasing equipment optimized for another country's requirements. Aren't Brazil's air defense needs more related to future ground attack and in a real crisis perhaps long-range interdiction? Where is the real need for such an advanced air-to-air capability? It would seem to me that Brazil's leaders should step away from this one, keep the money at home, and let the Air Force, its pilots, and industry leaders work this one out. Just my thoughts.

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written by João da Silva, January 21, 2010


I wish Brazil would look inward for a fighter plane rather than outward. What is the threat that demands an airplane as sophisticated as the Rafale? The Air Force and Brazil's own aerospace industry are correct; there is a golden opportunity for Brazil to invest in its own future and independence that will be lost if the purchase is one of outside manufacture.


This has been my stance (and that of many other Brasilians) right from the beginning. I think we have sufficient "Brain Power" and resources. If something is lacking, we can always get from outside.My point is that we are trying to save Dassault from going bankrupt. Also, what exactly is a "Strategic Partnership" with France? The term sounds quite pompous , but doesn't make any sense to the Brasilian Tax payers.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
We'll buy the best plane.
written by Yellow Flag BR, January 22, 2010
In my humble opinion, we are buying the best fighter among our choices. The price doesn't matter. We are buying our technology independence too. First of all, the Rafale and french government are more reliable. Second, the USA blocks Brazil sells Tucanos to Venezuela. These two facts are enough to me don't negotiate the F-18 or Gripen purchase, both american technology. Very simple. I'm a patriot like americans. Brazil above all.
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written by JohnBuena, January 22, 2010
For now, Brazil doesn't have the technology and the experience to build a state of the art fighter .. patriotism is not enough , ask the chinese or the japanese ...
And please , do some researches, Dassault is far from going bankrupt , its a very rich firm which has been profitable ever since its creation in 1936 ... which could explain why they are not so keen to cut the price of the rafale smilies/wink.gif
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written by João da Silva, January 22, 2010
patriotism is not enough , ask the chinese or the japanese ...


Yes, besides asking the Chinese and the Japanese, we should consult the surviving members of the Iraqi Air Force about the Air Defense System, the "reliable" French Government supplied to that country.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Yellow Flag BR, January 22, 2010
Iraq was in war and the French had defended their interests in this, normal. But then where they are the weapons of destruction in mass that the American government alleged to have in Iraq? Since when biological weapons is synonymous of oil? Here it is the American politics.
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written by Yellow Flag BR, January 22, 2010
I don't know who you are and if really you are Brazilians. You must live in the United States to defend their politics in such a way. lol
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written by Gus, January 23, 2010
Indian may tilt for Eurofighter as it has offered max. tech transfer ..also Rafale is costliest and US planes are risky to buy ..as they come with sanctions tag.
But also do not forget that Russian may have their moles in right place in Indian decision making process...
regards
Gus VA
Expensive French Trash
written by Simpleton, January 23, 2010
Take thier technology for as cheap as you can get it but build only a few. Then you can buy me to come show you how to make something new of it that Brasil can be proud of and call their own (and subsequently be able to afford to operate, maintain and export).
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written by João da Silva, January 23, 2010
also Rafale is costliest


That is one point which the writer of this article Mr.Azevedo is stressing upon. Another point he questions about (in his blog) is the price differentiation applied by Dassault between the offers made to India & Brasil.

But also do not forget that Russian may have their moles in right place in Indian decision making process.


From what I read, the Indians & Americans are now "Strategic Partners" and the Russian moles are probably now retired and back to their Dachas in Moscow.smilies/cheesy.gif

BTW, we and the Indians are also "Strategic Partners" as they are the largest importers of our Ethanol.smilies/wink.gif
Strategic Partners
written by Simpleton, January 23, 2010
Isn't that term something akin to "amigos" in Brasil? When nothing else is available more or less for free you just f~~k your buddy. Nice way to say that you at least have the feeling you can always count on someone for getting some something on a cooperative basis.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, January 23, 2010

Strategic Partners
written by Simpleton, January 23, 2010
Isn't that term something akin to "amigos" in Brasil?


Apt analogy, Simpleton. Except that the term "amigos" has been replaced by "Companheiros". BUT...BUT..., "Strategic Partnership" and "amigos" are not restricted only to Brasil, when you are discussing Global Politics. It depends on where you are and what language you speak.

Anyway, welcome back to Brasil and the blog. You are among your "Cumpanheiros".smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Simpleton, January 25, 2010
I never say "amigo" to nor introduce any of my Brasillian friends of the masculine variety as one. Kind of like my learning not to use the typical north american hand gesture for OK. Cumpanheiros it is then.
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written by Me, February 04, 2010
I am somewhat amazed by the falsehoods, heinous and propagandist crap filling this "website". To continue to publish something that you know false is what fall under defamation in most civilized countries, but hey your are publishing your ludicrously propagandist crap from the US, so no problem...
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written by troubled, February 07, 2010
I am somewhat amazed by the falsehoods, heinous and propagandist crap filling this "website". To continue to publish something that you know false is what fall under defamation in most civilized countries, but hey your are publishing your ludicrously propagandist crap from the US, so no problem...

Me: I have pretty much given up on this blog in the past for similar reasons, yet I come back occasionally to check the headlines. Yeah, I don't even know if I understand what position you are coming from, but I agree, people play fast and loose with the facts, but if you have ever spent a lot of time in Brazil, you will understand that it kind of goes with the culture in general: lots of hyperbolic sensational loud-mouth boasting, and far less measured, qualified, thoughtful, and civil dialogue. Furthermore, it is so common here for many of the authors to lapse into demonizing the US, and glorifying Brazil. You could in fact summarize the message as : US=EVIL, Brazil=Paradise. Actually, if you read more of this blog, I think you will find this particular thread particularly grounded in factual reporting and reasoning. I actually have learned a bit here from various commentators about the issues related to purchasing weapons: lots of politics and deals involved and not necessarily based on technical superiority. I can't say I know how to really assess this issue, but I thought the comments above were mostly informative and attempting to very thoughtful about the topic. However, I agree: this blog often appears like nothing more than a 24-hour non-stop infomercial about all things Brazilian being extraordinary! Yet, in this particular story, I thought the author appeared to take a reasonably critical view of the subject. I just don't know enough to judge his opinion.
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written by troubled, February 07, 2010
Maybe I am being a bit idealistic and not practical to say this, but I have a question that has not been addressed so much here: why does Brazil need to spend billions of dollars on these jets????
The one narrative I heard repeatedly while living in Brazil was that it was a peaceful nation with no enemies nor territorial desires, hence no need for a greater military: there was no likelihood of invading other countries nor them invading Brazil. Now while I thought this narrative was a particularly jingoistic spin on the military and geopolitics of Brazil, I could at least see an interesting truth or value in spending less on military budget. Why not put this money into education? highway and infrastructure? Job creation? or other social services in Brazil? Certainly there is great need there? Call me naive, but what I learned from the US wars in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, is that conventional war and technology alone can not secure or win a war. You cannot subjugate a people as the Romans did: you need to win their hearts and minds and cooperate with their agenda. So certainly no South American nation will attack and occupy Brazil, or it seems highly unlikely. Do Brazilians fear the US would have such a motive? Seems silly and implausible. So would these plans be used for offensive purposes? And what is the value of this? Certainly, I had hoped Brazil would present itself as a non-militarized third world nation seeking to solve it's internal problems, and not reaching out to be a greater local super-power. I don't see the wisdom in this purchase, nor is such a strategy. I may be way off in my understanding here, and I may be naive about the needs of Brazils military, but I do think it is important for Brazilians to question the direction of the countries military. As an outsider, I may have missed a great deal of this story, but I have to wonder, if there is anyone who would just prefer the least militarized approach. As someone said, what good did these planes do for the Iraqi Air Force. So I have to wonder why Brazil needs them.
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written by troubled, February 07, 2010
Knowing that Brazilians can be particularly jingoistic patriots, I can imagine many just blindly accepting the need for such jets, yet a healthy anti-war movement would serve to direct this money to valuable social services that need funding there. Also, knowing how a lack of transparency in politics, as well as corruption and kickbacks in Brazil are as common a chuva, and also now I see how Lula and many of his corrupt colleagues are also mired in this tradition, and knowing that Brazilians turned a blind eye to his corruption, overwhelmingly voted for him and love him despite bags of money being exchanged (mensaloao) for political favors, and then to add to this, all the above comments that suggest that this deal is possibly being made due to political reasons, and not based on technical superiority, I am left with the deep suspicions that there is graft and kickback involved in this deal. Let's see the kind of wealth that Lula retires with: I won't be surprised if a trail of money leads back to him and his party members.
response
written by Harry Potter, April 13, 2010
1) In the Indian scenario, the major requirement is technology Transfer and production lines in India.The two US companies (Boeing's F18 and Lockheed Martin's F16)are a strict no no. because of the American's love of sanctions as a stick.India has suffered sanctions after the Pokhran II Nucleur tests and have learnt lots about the US attitude. Another matter that the sanctions wee mere pin-pricks for India.
2)Raffaele is a good MMRCA but it is heavier with twin engines.3 of the competitors have single engines and hence the cost is lesser.
Dassault Raffele has expressed concern regrding the non-specification of the number of Engines.2 engines is qulaity with bigger price tag.
Dassault has also offered India partnership for manufacturing Raffaeles in India and exporting to other countries.
Another advantage is that India is already using the Mirage 2000 ( predecessor of Dassault Raffale)
3) India's familiarity with the MiG family may prompt them to opt for MiG 35, but the India is bitter about the way Russia has handled the Air craft carrier deal with unilateral price hikes midway and the lower level of support for its MiG 27 aircrafts.

4) Eurofighter Typhoon and Gripen is new to India.So the assessment is difficult.

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