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Brazil's Tourism Black and Blues PDF Print E-mail
2010 - January 2010
Written by Ana Paula da Silva   
Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:19

CapoeiraWhen African Americans talk about traveling to Brazil, two types of tourism tend to be discussed. On the one hand, there is a growing interest in so-called "heritage tourism" to Salvador da Bahia, supposedly Brazil's blackest city. On the other, there's the "scandal" of what author Jewel Woods has called black America's best kept secret: black male sexual tourism in Rio de Janeiro.

In recent articles and books, these two types of tourism have been set up as diametrically opposed faces of middle-class black America's recently conquered global mobility. However, as an African Brazilian woman who is also something of a professional gringo watcher, what strikes me about these two forms of tourism is not their differences, but their commonalities.

Both are predicated upon structures which not only reserve global mobility to a privileged few, but which also reserve the right to represent and interpret what is seen and experienced to those same few. Simply put, both sex and heritage tourists are empowered to forge interpretations of Brazil which - given the English language's global reach - end up drowning out the diversity, ambiguity and complexity of Brazilians own views of themselves and their country.

To cop a metaphor from anthropologist Mary Louise Pratt, both forms of tourism end up engaging and empowering an "imperial eye", which rearranges the landscape according to its satisfaction and, in so doing, creates interpretations which are widely seen as "more authentic" than native realities themselves.

It's easy to see this black imperial eye at work in the context of sexual tourism. Jewel Wood's recently published Don't Blame it on Rio records several examples as does W. J. Cobb's famous Essence article. Wood's informants and Cobb himself often project as fact their preconceived fantasies of Brazil and Brazilians on the spaces and people through which they transit.

According to these men, Brazilian women are supposedly more natural, easy-going and sexy than their American cousins, with no weight issues due to a better diet and more exercise. This will come as quite a shock to anyone who lives in Brazil and is confronted by our country's growing obesity problem and high incidence of elective cosmetic surgery.

It will also surprise Brazilian sexologists who report that Brazilian women have fewer partners, less sexual fulfillment and more conservative attitudes towards sex than most of the other women of the Americas. Finally, I'm sure that Brazilian men will find the descriptions of Brazilian women as "non-confrontational" and "non-feminist" to be amusing, to say the least.

These illusions are fairly easy to spot and critique, but what about the more subtle fantasies of "roots Brazilian culture" which are often articulated by heritage tourists?

To hear African Americans talk, heritage tourism is a more respectful form of wandering about the world, one which involves learning about "our history".

Wait a minute: "our history"...?

Listen, I am down with the idea that there is a Black Atlantic, but it is a Diaspora and Diasporas are defined by cultural, political and historical diversity and yes, power imbalances. Though I may be deeply inspired by the history of the U.S. American civil rights movement, it is not my history. If it were my history, I wouldn't need to be interrogated by immigration agents every time I visit New York, now would I? And yet Brazil's history - which most Americans, black or white, can hardly be bothered to learn - is now somehow a part of black U.S. heritage.

The idea of heritage is itself disturbing to me. It's one of those buzz-words which doesn't translate well into Portuguese. What precisely is heritage, as opposed to history? Having pestered many Americans about the topic, it seems to me that heritage can best be described as a myth-making attempt to fix claims to certain elements of history as personal or collective property.

It thus disturbs me when black Americans come to Bahia in search of their heritage. What they seem to be saying is that Bahia - and by extension, Brazil - makes no useful sense on its own terms and holds little interest for them except as it fits into their personal mythologies of identity.

What does this mean? Well, for one thing, it means that the forms of "Brazilian black culture" which will be visible to most heritage tourists are those which most closely fit preconceived ideas of "African culture". Capoeira and candomblé will thus get the nod as "roots" and "real", whereas Jiu Jitsu or evangelism will be seen as regrettable breaches of ethnic purity - if they're seen at all.

"Black Brazilian music" needs must have an "African" or "Latin" beat (whatever that means), because black Brazilians don't play rock, European classical music, or (perish the thought!) heavy metal. And as for black Brazilian literature, well, it's just not on the agenda at all. The next black American heritage tourist I meet who's read Machado de Assis - let alone Cruz e Souza - will be the first and believe me, I'm not holding my breath.

Think about what this sort of attitude implies about black Brazilians. It implies that we have not participated in the modern world, that the only cultural forms which we can call our own are those which have supposedly been handed down from African ancestors.

There is nothing wrong with traditional cultural forms, but since when has the be-all and end-all of blackness been tradition? Imagine African Brazilians flocking to the Carolina Sea Islands and declaring the Gullah to be the only "real" black culture in the U.S.

Imagine a North America where jazz was not recognized as a black invention, where Richard Wright and Ralph Ellison were unknown entities, where the black churches were seen as "sell-outs" because they didn't openly acknowledge the Orixás.

Many times I have heard African Americans describe Brazil as "backwards" simply because things here aren't done the same way they're done back in the U.S.. Hearing this, I have wanted to shout "But isn't that precisely why you're here? Because you believe that we belong to another time and world, one that is not your own, but one which you feel free to define for us?"

American tourists of all colors recognize their own diversity and yet often reduce Brazilians to a superficial singular type. Of course, all peoples the world over engage in this sort of behavior - it's practically a defining characteristic of being human.

The problem is not that it happens, but that American structures of power, prejudice and pride are so strongly imbedded in the global scene that they almost completely drown out anything Brazilians have to say about themselves which does not fit into the limitations predefined by Americans.

And this, my friends, is where the "nasty" African American sexual tourist and his supposed opposite, the "respectful" heritage tourist, meet and shake hands: smack dab in the middle of imperial privilege.

While it might seem ludicrous to decry African American privilege, given the deep and abiding white supremacy that still characterizes mainstream U.S. culture, it must be recognized that African Americans are playing a growing role in designating what is "really black" and what is not in the world beyond the Empire's borders.

Whether it's playas with a couple of months of accumulated experience in Copa's red light district expounding on what it means to be female in Brazil, or earnest social workers back from two weeks in Bahia, rhapsodizing about the Boa Morte Sisterhood as a "living document of African culture", black Americans are determining what is to be seen and what is to be overlooked in Brazil.

In so doing, they are ascribing to themselves - consciously or not - the role of purveyors of black Brazilian authenticity. And black Brazilians, as was traditional in the days of the casa grande e senzala, are left to cater to strangers' fancies, whether these be carnal or of a more rarified nature.

Personally, I have no problem with either breed of tourist. I'm happy Brazilians can make a buck selling dreams to Americans. But I reserve the right to call "brother" and "sister" those people who attempt to step beyond fantasy, who are willing to accept me as an equal on my own terms and who recognize that I and the peoples which surround me have histories which cannot be reduced to the building blocks of U.S. American heritage - whatever its color.

Ana Paula da Silva is a professor at the Centro Universitário Augusto Motta (UNISUAM) in Rio de Janeiro, She's an anthropologist and studies among other subjects the intersections between sex, gender, race and class and how these configure the myth of modern Brazil. You can read more from her on her blog: http://omangueblog.blogspot.com



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Well said
written by jakob, January 24, 2010
Also note that the American blacks, by visiting Brazil (and therefore removing themselves from US, at least temporarily), suddenly find themselves in a favorable socio-economic position. And this is perhaps the biggest incentive to visit; an "alternate universe".
if they are seeking real truth
written by Forrest Allen Brown, January 24, 2010
than why not go back to africa not a land of slaves and owners and not thought of as equals in any terms.

brazils civil rights is in no way helping blacks no matter what you say or think LULA has done nothing but buy votes for his political machine with food and block houses .

not unlike the democrats in the US


most blacks that can travel to brazil are under 25 and listen to rap stars like snoop dog whom decribed brazil as a tidal wave of Ass for the taking . more or less .

and your own porn star pinki tours the US and europ in strip clubs selling men on brazilian women sexual freedom

And by the way the only people that dont get hassled at the air port comming to the US are arabs
its ana paula, thadeus's wife.....
written by asp, January 24, 2010
id be interested in adrian eriks responce to this....

hmmmmmm....talk about stereo typing and generalisations, there is an abundance of that in this article, but with some good points also

its funny that ana paula would kick black americans in the teeth for finding some kind of afinity with afro brazilian culture

do you really think afro americans in general are trying to super impose their veiw over afro brazilian culture or is that a generalisation? or are they just expressing their preferance to afro brazilian cultures that retain properties of afro diasporic force...like the beat

because i am attracted to afro diasporic beats and dances in brazil, i know afro brazilians can be found in sertaneja, forro, rock, etc, but, what my preferance is , is about the more fortified beats and dances that havent been watered down . that is what i like, its kind of a drag to have someone sizing you up because of your preferances .

but if all afro americans and americans in general are just imperialy privledged customers from the empire...our opinions really dont mean anything...

gees, like your blog, maybe i should spend more time commenting over there since this forums is going to the dogs...and conspricy theory mongers...

but, i have one suggestion..in all your studies of gringos and prostitutes and your scientific conclusions, what is lacking is real hands on experiance...

i suggest letting thadeus really handle the goods first hand to really understand what is happening on the inside...maybe you could all participate in group sex with the pros on the beat to give that extra speicial inside insight...nothing like hands on experiance to pepper intellectual observations
not correct
written by Andre, January 24, 2010
Sure, Brazil has plenty of ugly conservative people, but from experience theres always a group of people who stay away from the places and programs that will cause them to interact with foreigners and etc... (such as nightclubs and the like)

The peoples who do go to those places, are usually more easy going, well treated and want more hot action than those who stay at home and make statistics.
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written by $hit disturber, January 24, 2010
Who translated the article? Thhhhhhaaaadeus?
ana paula.....
written by asp, January 24, 2010
id just like to know some information about you , based on your statements about black americans coming to bahia to "find their heratage..." , and your noted impatiance with them for only liking certain "beats..." that might sound "latin"...

it would help me to know if you are a perfomer of music or dance,what your experiance is in that field and who you have worked with....

because you are criticising these people for making choices about what they came to brazil to be near...i doubt they are negating afro brazilians who play other types of music, i think it relates to what is going to get them off and touch them in relationship to thier experiances...but i dont know the people you have talked to.

as an american , i can tell you that their are great insights to seeing afro brazilian culture and how it developed in this country and how it relates to the develoopement in the usa of afro american culture...

there would be nothing wrong with focusing on the gichee island culture for a moment because it actualy has properties that are similare to some foclorico elements in brazil...

the foclorico cultures in brazil that are more pure afro brazilian , are like living snapshots of the rhythms and dances and for americans, the drums were banned from slaves and many of these cultures were hidden and never had an example to relate to...only spirituals, blues, and work songs, besides congo square, so brazilian living snapshots are a treasure to see and understand something that was surpressed in the states,yet inform afro american culture...

about the black american males buying prostitutes, i think the research you got it from is somewhat from uptight intellectuals, shocked a waiter would flash viagra pills and point to some pros...that is just a good busines man shosing options for a potential customer...and i dont think many men are fooled thinking these girls find them so attractive...every one knows the game

why are you vamping on afro americans when europe and so many other places are more represented on the streets of copacabana...why pick on them? because oprah doesnt like it? if they are betraying faithful wives shame on them, if they are not, what is the beef?
Ana Paula
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
You write as if the phenomenon of African American tourists traveling to Brazil picking and choosing parts of the culture they may "relate" to more and have opinions on it , is something peculiar to them.

All nationalities do this. And the very abiity to do this is based on "class". Right or wrong,, it happens and it knows no color.

But let me interpret what you really want to say....

HOW DARE THESE UPPITY NEGROS WHO ARE NO MORE THAN SECOND CLASS CITIZENS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY , COME HERE AND CAST JUDGEMENT ON HOW THINGS GO ON WITH US AFRO-BRAZILIANS. WHEN THE ONLY THING WE REALLY HAVE IN COMMON IS BEING DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES.

Sounds like a complex to me...smilies/shocked.gif

You ought to know,, as educated as you are it is about class.. Nothing more ,, nothing less. All cultures travel abroad and voice their opinions. But it seems you can't stand the fact that another person of african descent DARE do this.smilies/shocked.gif
Are blacks NOT supposed to do this BECAUSE they are BLACK????
Why don't you be glad they APPRECIATE the more African aspects of the afro-brazilian culture. And the fact that it is ALLOWED to be put on display throughout the culture in general in Brazil( at least in Bahia) Look at it from their viewpoint.
As far as the sex tourism...??? Again ...It's what MONEY can buy. And all cultures imagine and fantasize about the grass being greener on the other side.

In reality, you sound a bit envious. Maybe outright jealous. Because you are "hating"... And I know you understand the term because you "swagger jacked" African American verbage.. Listen to yourself
Listen, I am down with the idea that there is a Black Atlantic, but it is a Diaspora and Diasporas are defined by cultural, political and historical diversity and yes, power imbalances.


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As the saying goes,"there's a thin line between love and hate".

You are upset with what is YOUR perception of American blacks "acting" white. smilies/shocked.gif
When actually what you are describing is not a phenomenon limited to traveling American blacks. But something travelers in GENERAL tend to do.
Shame on you for continuing the divisionsmilies/angry.gif I am half African American and Afro Brazilian. And I tell you , you don't help,, only exemplifiy how much futher those of the diaspora have to go to heal.
Bahia happens to be logisticly more accesible with exception of the Carribean to area with a high visibility of African culture. If you fault people for getting what they can out of , especially in the light of the fact that it generates more interest and tourism in and for Brazi,, shame on you.
And as for Jewel Woods book that you took the time to read. The opinions of the men interviewed aren't peculiar to african americans. They are the same types of opinions and generalizations that MEN in general have of their "sex touring" in Brazil. No different than say, going to Russia, Holland or Thailand.
It's a MAN thing. A "class" thing.

You just have issues with African Americans. It's personal.

You are right on one point.. An "imperialistic attitude and perspective" knows no color.

But did this really surprise you?>smilies/sad.gifsmilies/angry.gif
Or is it simply an inferiority complex within YOU that says blacks shouldn't be able to hold that card.???

Get real!!!!! Find another rant . You are holding up progress.

Ana Paula cont....
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
It thus disturbs me when black Americans come to Bahia in search of their heritage. What they seem to be saying is that Bahia - and by extension, Brazil - makes no useful sense on its own terms and holds little interest for them except as it fits into their personal mythologies of identity.


Ok,,,, so if you want to showcase how much afro brazilian blacks "assimilated",,, make that your business. But how can you criticize An african american black making touring african rooted culture a priority. ????? What is your point? Really?

The next black American heritage tourist I meet who's read Machado de Assis - let alone Cruz e Souza - will be the first and believe me, I'm not holding my breath.


Low blow Ana..smilies/angry.gif What tourist,, black , white , of asian goes this far? Certainly NOT the average. Just like I wouldn't expect an Afro brazil coming to the U.S and pick up a book by Maya Angelou, Langston Hughes, Terry McMillan, or Alex Haley for that matter.smilies/shocked.gif Who are you kidding?

Truth be told , most tourist go to Brazil for what is perceived as its "exotic" flair. NOTHING more, nothing less. And African culture has considered SUBSTANTIALLY to that. And this in a country where it is not until the last two decades most people of color in Brazil were quick to associate themselves with ANYTHING being other than BLACK. As if at the end of the day you weren't recognized as being anything other than that by the upper echelons of society. We all know the story .. We've live it!
You are just an educated black lady in Brazil that can't stand that for now the only thing she is probably appreciated about IS her blackness. Why can't you be happy that THAT in itself is happening, instead of thinking that it somehow demeans you?

Really,, do you think the average tourist,, black , white or asian is coming to Brazil to hear "Bossa Nova"? ( I happen to like it btw. And I am black) But the average tourist is NOT going to Brazil to see how much blacks and native indians "assimilated".

You have to realize that here in the U.S the black population during slavery was subjected to cultural subjugation of the severist kind. Retaining anything "african" was basically against the law.
As much as Africans Americans or African Brazilians would like to be a "new race" so to speak. The truth is , we are not that far from slavery. And a LOOOONNNNNGGGG way off from being free of the pyschological effects of it. Thank God , economic mobility has allowed a certain segment , as opinionated and self serving as they may be , the oppurtunity to explore their "heritage" as it were.
Don't you think that if the economic oppurtunity was there that afro brazilians would be flocking to Angola???
YES ! YES ! YES!
Heck,, the younger generation (if they had the money) may even come to the U.S to better explore the orgins or "heritage" of HIP HOP.

I can see monied Afro brazilians (privledged , in the eyes of Angolans)going to Angola commenting on how "backwards" it is there. smilies/angry.gif

It's just a "class" issue.. Not even "imperialistic" and political as you are trying to make it out to be.
Get it together. Most blacks HARDLY subscribe to so called IMPERIALISTS attitudes. In fact, most can't stand that type of attitude. So for you to even imply this is the case shows your lack of truly understanding afro american culture at large.
You are disgruntled for some reason. Perhaps you have traveled to the States and weren't accepted as you would have like to have been or expected to be in the "black community". In fact , I AM SURE it wasn't the best experience. smilies/sad.gif
But do you want to know the root of that? You may know already. But I want to inform everyone else.......
MOST foriegners of African descent coming to the U.S think they are BETTER than American blacks.smilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif Much of this has to do with the way American blacks are portrayed in the media at large. Largely sub culture, largely negative. So naturally visiting blacks from foriegn countries openly show themselves NOT wanting to be associated with the stigma. And black americans have percieved that over the decades. And YES,, talk about it amongst themselves.
I am POSITIVE from your stance with this article that if you have traveled to the States , most of your colegas were euro descent. So you are jaded. And you've brought your hurt back to Brazil and can't stand to see traveling blacks coming to Brazil doing what TOURISTS generally do.

Swagger jack this Ana Paula,.... "Don't hate the player, hate the game"smilies/wink.gif
Ana Paula
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
Listen, I am down with the idea that there is a Black Atlantic, but it is a Diaspora and Diasporas are defined by cultural, political and historical diversity and yes, power imbalances. Though I may be deeply inspired by the history of the U.S. American civil rights movement, it is not my history.


You are "down" huh? smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

It's ok love african "AMERICAN" culture. Just like many African Americans love afro "Brazilian" culture.
Take pride in the common denominators. Instead of showcasing to all onlookers how we just can't stop hating each other.smilies/angry.gif

btw,Have you read the Willie Lynch letter? Google it!
Much thanks to asp...
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010

So good to see others who are NOT african american , not understanding where this "Ana Paula" is coming from. smilies/sad.gifsmilies/sad.gif

I just take it that she went to the States and didn't really fit in ANYWHERE. Left dejected and is now "venting". Nothing else can explain this article.
why are you vamping on afro americans when europe and so many other places are more represented on the streets of copacabana...why pick on them? because oprah doesnt like it? if they are betraying faithful wives shame on them, if they are not, what is the beef?


Sounds like she's not GETTING any beef!smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
And last but not least,, the Truth
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
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I really take issue with this article obviously. I mean, look at the title.

Black Americans Prejudice Is Drowning Out What Brazilians Say About Themselves
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First of all , let's get this straight. WHICH "Brazilians"? The black ones, the white ones, the indians, or the mulattos? Because I am sure few are giving black Americans as much POWER as you try to with article. Give us all a break!smilies/angry.gif
You are trying the best you can throw blacks in the typical political anti-U.S imperialistic RHETORIC! smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/smiley.gif
Have you taken this position because Barack Obama is now president?>smilies/sad.gif Please don't tell us you believe he got there because of the strength of the BLACK vote?smilies/shocked.gif And now blacks are all of a sudden gaining some sort of global notoriety and as a result go around strutting and unbashedly participate in advancement of the "empire"?>smilies/sad.gif

Let me ENLIGHTEN you on why most if not all people are initially attracted to and intrigued by Brazil.

Besides being a beautiful tropical local. Which by far is NOT the best of its types but would definetly provide the perfect backdrop for the allure. People the globe over , especially men , and quite a few women I am sure , come to basically see what many perceive as a NEW RACE. Considered "EXOTIC" by many , if not most. Because it is NEW.smilies/shocked.gif

Really, people, no matter what color AREN"T coming to Brazil to see Italians, Germans, Asians, Arabs,the Native Indians, the purest of Blacks, etc. They are coming to see and experience the MIXTURE of all those people. The Mestizoed Mulattos , for lack of a better way to describe themsmilies/wink.gif It makes PERFECT sense for other nationalities to be fascinated and intrigued , maybe even TURNED ON by viewing with admiration the result of White, Black and Asian, (native Americans are asians that kept on walking and boating until the finally settled in the Americas north and south). So if a black from ANYWHERE has a penchant for or feels an affinity with the AFRICAN HERITAGE showcased in Brazi DELIBERATELY... ? SO WHAT?!!
It's called observing the "whole" in one sense, yet breaking it down to it "parts" . And seeing what "part" you actually have more in common.
There's quite a bit of "economics" involved in this "spread of prejudice imperialism" also.
When was the last time YOU'VE been to AFRICA?smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif And IF you have gone there, I wonder if you went BEFORE you came to the United States?smilies/shocked.gif
Did you go get a taste of your "heritage" in Angola before you hopped to States to brag about how you've been there? If so,, I'd really be impressed. smilies/wink.gif
Bottom line is , one can kill two birds with one stone with a trip to Brazil respecting the limitations of their wallet. Close , hands on experience with the "new race" Brazil has to see. AND a taste of Africa in Bahia. It is very simple.
You act as if the Brazil as we know it today actually has such a LONG history that everyone should be interested in.... NOT!smilies/shocked.gif
It's a PLANTATION with a large population of Mestizoed Mulattos. Get over it! Everyone else in their purest or near pure residues, with POSSIBLY the exception of the natives are TRANSPLANTS, from the globe over
People come to see the "NEW RACE" and then choose a point of interest. And DUH?? What do you think a black going to do?smilies/shocked.gif

You lady, are a black wanna be afro brazilian elitist. Acting as if you can't understand why the American "NEGROS" are doing what they do. smilies/angry.gif
All you end up doing is spreading black self hate. Do your research before you make a mockery of yourself!smilies/angry.gifsmilies/shocked.gifsmilies/wink.gif We have enough of that as it is.
Congratulations
written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
I think you expressed yourself very well, and, yes, the identity politics in the US is sickening. The fact that they try to extend it to other countries is equally sickening. And no, no other country does it. It an 100% American thing.

Asp and baiacu, she never claimed that people can't like whatever they like, only that it is not up to them to tell Brazilians what constitutes Brazil. You don't tell us what to do or say, especially your racist fantasies of some kind of "genetic brotherhood".

I have found similar situations from other African Americans I had the (displeasure) of meeting. First of all, their minds are broken because of identity politics. They lost the capability of being individuals and now operate more like a hive. So they created this mythology about Africa and diasporas, where nothing has to do with actual reality.

Similarly as to what white supremacists do in terms of the so called "Aryan history", a fabled past of noble and strong warriors that now are corrupted because of "them" (insert here the scapegoat for the conspiracy, like jews for example). African Americans do just the same. Africa is magical place, and the blacks are noble savages enslaved by "the man".

That's bad. But the worst is Brazilians that play this game, adopting stereotypes and all. This usually happens when they go the US and have no training to see or discern their BS.

From my experience I can tell you the following:

- Americans, black, white, brown, blue, pink, etc, will always try to impose whatever is in vogue in their "society", whatever that means at the time, regardless of the will of the victim people or reality. They just make stuff up, that simple;

- The american school system contains programs for indoctrination of people into identity politics since an early age. It means that they usually have a complete lexicon of terms and words memorized from their brainwashing, which they will regurgitate as soon as you try to talk to them about their stupidity. All of them, whites, blacks, browns, etc, think "race" is the center of the universe, as if everyone was worried about it, and the mere idea of living your life and seeing people just like people is unconceivable to them;

- Brazilians have no such training and not enough knowledge in history to be able to counter it. Stronger minds, such as yours, will inevitably see that something doesn't add up, because everything is very illogical, and through research find some answers. Others will succumb;

Brazilians don't know about racism history and what generated the current American racial society. Brazilians never heard of scientific racism. Brazilians think the terms "east" and "west" are simple general directions you can find with the help of a compass and don't associated them with any particular race or country.

There are so many things Brazilians in general ignore about the poisonous aspects of the American culture, and the current regime, I mean, adminstration is not interested in clarifying anything. The current affirmative action in Brazil is an unwanted thing, that the people of Brazil doesn't approve, and they want to force feed it on us no matter what, exploiting the said cultural differences. For example, they accuse Brazil of racism, but no Brazilian knows what real racism is like. Living a little in the US would be enough for anybody to learn what real racism is, i.e., a society where "race" occupies a central role.
This one is special to Baiacu
written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
"And this in a country where it is not until the last two decades most people of color in Brazil were quick to associate themselves with ANYTHING being other than BLACK. As if at the end of the day you weren't recognized as being anything other than that by the upper echelons of society. We all know the story .. We've live it!

You are just an educated black lady in Brazil that can't stand that for now the only thing she is probably appreciated about IS her blackness. Why can't you be happy that THAT in itself is happening, instead of thinking that it somehow demeans you?"

This is why American blacks are avoided and generally considered unpleasant. Namely identity politics indoctrination, arrogance (for example, you are now talking down to the writer as if you knew something she doesn't know), and assumptions about Brazil and Brazilian culture.

Do you know how many blacks exist in Brazil according to the census? It is around 7%. Do you know how many mestiços are there? Around 40%. The mestiços are the only ethnic group growing while all others, blacks, whites and asians are diminishing.

People don't call themselves "black", because they are not black. If they have different ancestors, why choose "black"? Is it special? Is it superior to others?

I know your history, probably better than you do. The whole origin of this custom of calling mestiços black in the US derives from the scientific racism of the 19th century. Because of it many laws were passed with the purposing of "preserving the master race". The "one d-r-o-p rule" was just a means of terrorism not agains blacks, but against whites making clear that they would lose status if they were against the racists.

And there you are, applying the "one d-r-o-p rule". Do you think this is normal? If you use racist theories, and racist premises and apply them for racist purposes, what are you? A racist?

American blacks are hypocrites. You are no better than whites or anyone else. You are on the same level of corruption.

I don't even know the writer of this article, what she looks like or what she considers herself to be, but WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO TELL HER WHAT SHE IS? You don't tell anybody anything, know your place.

I don't really care about the looks of the author, because that's not important. But her article is right and you just posed as a perfect example to what she meant.

You and your kind are wretched creatures who live in a hell of your own creation. Instead of working towards positivy and a brighter future, you are still engaged in this type of politics that produce absolutely nothing of value. It devalues you as human being and makes you no better than neo nazis or some other type of lunatic.
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written by Charles Scott, January 25, 2010
As someone who is of African descent who has travelled as a tourist all over the world. I am a bit amused about the writers position. I believe you should actually be happy that African Americans for whatever reason are interested in visiting your country. What is wrong with African Americans visiting Salvador to have a different perspective of other people taken from the African continent, or Hip Hoppers going to Rio to sample the "local cuisine" Last I checked, Germans, Italians, British and numerous other europeans were doing the same, I do not see you complaining about that.

It is clear to me that the writer like many Afro-Brazillians has a narrow minded view about African American culture and what gives her away is the statement "the civil rights movement is not my history". Wake up and smell the coffee, you have a great deal to learn from the civil rights movement in the United States. Last time I checked, Blacks in Brazil were mostly poor, uneducated and except in special circumstances like sports ot art were relegated to the bottom rung of society. Celebrate what you have in common with African Americans, learn from their success and have confidence in yourself. It is obvious you are suffering from a form of inferiority complex.
Yet another "disgruntled' black or mulattoo Braziian.
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
smilies/smiley.gif I see we struck a nerve here huh? Welcome back A Brazilian.smilies/wink.gif

You must have felt "out of the loop" of sorts in the States too?smilies/wink.gif

Let me enlighten you first of all on racism, why it will NEVER go away on this side of Armaggedon. smilies/sad.gif

Racism is based on the premise of fear of white exitinction. Which for all intents and "Darwinistic" purposes is a plausible theory. Therefore racism is "institutionalized" prinicipally against blacks across the globe.
But of course, NOT in Brazil,,right?smilies/wink.gif.... That's just something "Americans" are trying to sell Brazilians.....smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

You and your kind are wretched creatures who live in a hell of your own creation. Instead of working towards positivy and a brighter future, you are still engaged in this type of politics


It is apparent that YOU sir are living a fantasy world of YOUR own creation if you think this sick part of society (racists and the institutions they promote) is going to disappear by any effort on the part of man himself, because the systems he creates thrive off of division. Capitalism for one. Therefore making the U.S for example largest promoter and experimentalist with racism to exist. And YES, it is SOLD there because the phenomenon in itself generates profits. The culture of it. The romanticism of it. The fight against it.smilies/angry.gif

In other words,, it's not going anywhere until GOD does something about it. The fears will have to be put to rest FIRST!

So, until that is done people discriminated against,,(now of course in Brazil that doesn't happen. And according to YOU they are too stupid to realize it , even if it is.smilies/sad.gifsmilies/shocked.gif) continue to protest , ie "civil rights movement" , affirmative action, and just plain old fashioned EDUCATION. This to navigate in a society that would just prefer the ugly residue of constantly needing "cheap labor", necessitated by , CAPITALISM, to go away.
It's NOT going away sir... You NEED economic slaves for the system as it is to function. What better way to identify just WHO they are going to be than by race. Upfront!
American blacks aren't overly angry with this reality. They are not stupid. They have and are learning to DEAL WITH IT. And face reality. A reality YOU think Brazilians aren't "capable of" or "want" to address.
- Brazilians have no such training and not enough knowledge in history to be able to counter

Brazilians don't know about racism history and what generated the current American racial society. Brazilians never heard of scientific racism.


BRAZIALIANS DON'T KNOW THIS. BRAZILIANS DON'T KNOW THAT....
WOW.... WITH SUPPORT LIKE YOURS , WHO NEEDS TO KNOCK YOU DOWN???
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Has it ever accured to you that maybe this "lack of knowledge is deliberate?"

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written by Charles Scott, January 25, 2010
Finally, the writer insinuates that her history is somehow different from Black history because African Americans do not take the time to learn about Black Brazillian culture. That is simply crap, If an African American is interested in cultural history, it will be irrelevant to him or her where that culture comes from. Again, as I said, have confidence in yourself and celebrate that which you have in common with others.
Baiacu, the racist exposed
written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
Why did you ignore most part of my responses? Maybe because it was factually correct?

What!? God? What God has to do with this. God gave men two arms, two legs and a brain. Use them!

Racism will never cease to exist in the US because it is a business. It is a business where corrupt black men can make a few bucks and advance their own careers, usually at the expense of others.

Some people (I mean the usual suspects, NGOs, Ford Foundation, etc) are funding and trying desperatly to do the same in Brazil. And yet they fail. They don't have people's support and now are trying to push whatever stupid law they want by sneaking it or bullying others.

Has it ever accured to you that maybe this "lack of knowledge is deliberate?"


It is a simple matter of cause and effect. If people were unhappy and living like slaves they would revolt and you would see similar popular forms of expression.

If in all these centuries people haven't done it, it is because there's nothing wrong.

What part didn't you understand? Is it difficult? Nobody needs your help, nobody asked for your help because nobody saw the need of getting help when there's no problem that needs fixing.

Do you think this infiltration of organizations promoting racial division is new? It has been happening for decades, either white or black racism, and in spite of it the results are the very opposite. The population of mestizos is increasing no matter what.

And you are losing. You are facing extinction. No matter how much money Ford Foundation pour into phony "scholars" to create racial propaganda, it is futile!

Coming back to my last point:

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING?

Just answer that. As far as Brasil is concerned you are nothing, and neither is Ford Foundation, NGOs, or any other Nazi gringo trying to establish racial politics.

Your paranoia about what others might think of you is evidence of the world is stupidity you have created for yourself. Who cares!?
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written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
Finally, the writer insinuates that her history is somehow different from Black history because African Americans do not take the time to learn about Black Brazillian culture. That is simply crap, If an African American is interested in cultural history, it will be irrelevant to him or her where that culture comes from. Again, as I said, have confidence in yourself and celebrate that which you have in common with others.


Celebrate what? Why? Who defines that? What are you talking about!? This is brainwashing and indoctrination.

Multiculturalism is racism 2.0. Instead of saying "you can't stay here because you don't fit these criteria" they say (and by that I mean The usual suspects) "you can't stay here because you should be somewhere else wearing some stupid clothing".

First of all, it is obvious that the reduction of entire cultures to simple stereotypes such as traditional clothes and dances is downright insulting to anybody's intelligence. But the real problem here is not that. That would be bad, but not something that would affect the world negatively.

What is bad is the control a few (politicians, religious people, con artists in general) have over the populace. They have complete control over your mind. They tell you what is "good", what is "bad", what you can do, what you cannot do. You are little more than trained dog.

American blacks are weak to their souls. Not only you, some "hispanics" and "aryans" fall in the same category.

BTW, did you know that the term "hispanic" didn't exist before the 50s and was arbitrarily created by Ford Foundation? Before that all those immigrants would do what all other immigrants did, be assimilated into the American culture. The whole "hispanic" BS in the US is a complete fraud made up by people who are smarter than you apparently.

You are such a slave. Such a pathetic slave. Ford Foundation says "Jump!" you ask "How high?". What I feel is not hate, I can't explain. It is like disgust, but not quite.

You don't even look real. You look like some impersonator, some false human like a zombie, that still has its human appearance but it is dead. A walking corpse.
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written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
What is bad is the control a few (politicians, religious people, con artists in general) have over the populace. They have complete control over your mind. They tell you what is "good", what is "bad", what you can do, what you cannot do. You are little more than trained dog.


The "land of the free" is, ironically, the least free of all countries.

Idiots exist everywhere, what amazes some thinking people about the US is the total lack of debate. Nobody stand up and say that the king is naked. It is like you can't see or refuse to see the lies.

You were taught lies. It is easy to see through using some common sense and logic. What benefit racial division produces for society and for the individual? There's no benefit, nothing that could be considered a benefical result. So why does it exist?

THINK! Follow the logic, "if it is not good for anybody, nor society nor inidividual, why does it exist?"

Look for information about corrupt policitians and organizations trying to influence the people either way.

USE YOUR BRAIN!
Disgruntled continued......
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
As was pointed out before in previous blogs. You appear to have a classic inferiority complex. smilies/wink.gif

You must be a very "light" Brazilian.??? Don't quite fit in ANYWHERE neh? The U.S or Brazil.



I know your history, probably better than you do. The whole origin of this custom of calling mestiços black in the US derives from the scientific racism of the 19th century.


Wow.... The last defintion I have heard of "mestizo" is white and indian. "Euro and Amerindian". smilies/wink.gif Before you call me out on my knowledge of American, or African American History please do your research first. No such occurence of calling blacks mestizos or vice versa ever took place.
Again,, you are proving you are "disgruntled smilies/cry.gif


Asp and baiacu, she never claimed that people can't like whatever they like, only that it is not up to them to tell Brazilians what constitutes Brazil. You don't tell us what to do or say, especially your racist fantasies of some kind of "genetic brotherhood


Ana Paula is talking about "tourism" . And what tourists of all persuasions generally do. Form opinions based on their personal perception of the situation. Just you apparently do so well with your rant black Americans. And the racism in the U.S in general. In the end it is pointless to call people out on their perception of things. But that doesn't negate the ugly reality of racism and how it is dealt with in the U.S or Brazil. Obviously you make it seem like one country OVER EXAGGERATES the situation and the other SWEEPS IT UNDER THE RUG. Those are extremes that aren't real.

And on "genetic brotherhood"???? We are all family. Science hasn't proven otherwise. You have misgivings about the separations that have been put in place, be it from the U.S ,(which btw it didn't start there,more like Europe somewhere)the "factory" of it all. With GOOD economic reason from which BRAZIL has greatly benefitted from over the decades. Your grip is understandable.
But we ARE a genetic brotherhood. MEN have sadly made an issue RACE. And not just the blacks of Brazil . But the WHOLE of South America suffers as a result of it!!!smilies/angry.gif

Get your mind out of the little box that is Brazil. Brazil has been and is one the many PLANTATIONS in South America and the Americas period for parts of the Western World. And the Church has INSURED that remains the case. And that is why you can tout that "BRAZILIANS" as a whole DON"T KNOW THIS and DON"T KNOW THAT.smilies/angry.gif
I'd venture to say that the civil rights movement was only able to have the success (to some degree) that is did , BECAUSE it is a PROTESTANT nation. At minimum the pysche is different. And this is probably YOUR issue also.. You just CAN'T relate. Your psyche is "screwed" in the MISSIONARY position. smilies/wink.gif
So yes,, black Americans may in fact address the REALITY of racism "differently". But you are going to be hardpressed ANY progress made in terms of racial inequality in Brazil without fighting for it.

But it seems that for whatever reason you are content with the "status quo". Again,, as I think I remember Thaddeus pointing out. You must be one of those "light ones". Affirmative action would only serve to cause more confusion in a system already a mess.
The truth is , the psychological job done on Brazil , has been accomplished thoroughly. There is no turning back. There is no going ahead. The reality is,, RACE is not even an issue. It's those that KNOW. And those that DON"T KNOW. The elite versus the proletariate. A la Barack Obama.
Do you see the bigger picture???
So let TOURISTS have their opinions. Brazilians of all persuasions come to the U.S with their preconceived notions, unfounded expectations and experiences to chat on. It is by far NOT an attempt to spread the "Empire". This "IMPERIALISM" she rants on.
Get with the time.
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written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
As was pointed out before in previous blogs. You appear to have a classic inferiority complex.


Try harder.
disgruntled continued....
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
American blacks are hypocrites. You are no better than whites or anyone else. You are on the same level of corruption.


LOLOL KKKKKK. Listen to you.. Over generalizing. As if it proves a point. Obama is President....The epitome of the fact that the "machine" will use whatever it takes to decieve the masses. And volunteers to serve the cause come in ALL COLORS and PERSUASIONS.
You and Ana Paula need to sit down and get more constructive. Stop fomenting division even amongst blacks. That has always been part of the objective to hold them down.. WHEREVER THEY ARE.

You know, I started up fired up about this. Glad to get a rise out of you. But now I feel sorry for you more than anything else. Because you are not yet understanding the bigger picture. And your path for resolution is misguided. Yes, black Americans were sold on the "revolution". And it made some headway to some degree. But you best believe the preferable way for the "masters" would have been for them to lay down and "take it" as it appears the collective pysche in Brazil is inclined to do.

Now.. I am done with you... I spewed hate. And I percieve you are "light". So there is no use debating with someone that has a "partial passport". Use it well.smilies/wink.gif And if you feel so inclined to allow it to enable you to help your Brazilian brethren (IF you consider them to be such) PARABEMSsmilies/cheesy.gif

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On a side note.. My premise is always spiritually based. With the Bible as my reference. And I take comfort that in the future all men from ALL NATIONS will reside in peace.
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. Revelation 7:9

 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of the Lord will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of the Lord out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.Isaiah 2:4


This foolishness will all be taken care of in due time. Pray to be a part of it.

Blacks rebels?
written by A Brazilian, January 25, 2010
Since that racist POS called Malcolm X made fashionable for American blacks to demonstrate some "black rage" they like to think of themselves as "rebels", "fighting against the man", you name it.

Really? What rebel is part of the establishment and receives money from big corporations and other organizations?

You are not rebels, never were. You are docile and domesticated playthings eating in the hand of those who actually have the power.

And now you want to talk about "racism" in other countries. You sold the truth for some silver coins.
Te worst of all the type os.
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010


Now.. I am done with you... I spewed hate. And I percieve you are "light".


Correction.. YOU>>> spewed hate.
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written by Charles Scott, January 25, 2010
"A Brazillian". You represent everything Brother Malcolm spoke about. You are hateful and ignorant and if you had made that statement in person, I would have given you a sound whipping. I will not dignify your statements with a response because they are nothing but the rantings of a madman and what do you do with a mad man, you put him in an asylum and ignore him. P.S. Try to get some help from a mental health professional, it will do you some good.
You came back......? A Brazilian
written by dnbaiacu, January 25, 2010
And the more you talk the sillier you sound.

You can wait for the world to 'blend' all of its colors to a light shade of brown to ease your pain. But it is NOT going to happen. And was never intended to.
It is obvious your antedote to racism,, (that doesn't exist right?) is overt miscegination and everyone living in peace and harmony.....smilies/shocked.gif

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

So you can criticize past efforts to somewhat create a fairer playing field all you want.. You sound ridiculous. Because you offer no other alternative.

Just face it. You are the 'tragic mulatto'. And I will believe it until proven otherwise.smilies/wink.gif In Brazil you don't belong anywhere. And in the States you feel that even more so. I have a friend that is like you. But fortunately he believes in what the Bible says about the real solution to this issue. So he spends most of his effort in promoting those interests instead of engaging in a fight that will apparently have no success in Brazil.

Truth be told blacks at large are no better off comparatively speaking than as in other times. In fact things appear to be falling back. But from a purely social perspective this could be expected.

You rant and rave and insult. YET have no alternative to the issue. Except I suppose to just let it "correct itself".
With an attitude like yours the oppressed in Brazil without a belief in God as the ultimate Liberator , get what they deserve.

You are the tragic mulattoo though. You can't be on the darker end of the spectrum with your ideas. And you certainly aren't a pure white. So how you talk is very understandable. You ardently desire the "new race" to be legitimate in the eyes of the rest of the world.

It is. "A Brazilian",,, in God's sight.. But don't count on getting that recognition anytime soon as long Evolution and Darwinism is promoted as being the Truth. smilies/cry.gif

Satan divides the human race by color to ultimately CONQUER them. And he and hosts promote this idea of race and superior and inferior. This is NOT going away while he rules the world. Division between Communist and Democratic entities are NOT going away while he rules the world. This is all to keep the division and hatred going to our OWN detriment.

Your obvious despair is understandable. Hopefully you will see the Truth about things some day.

I am convinced.. And you partially helped me to see it. And I will spread it to anyone interested. Civil Rights and Affirmative Action will NOT work in Brazil because Brazilians at large are incapable psychologically of taking on the task.

Does that make you feel better?smilies/wink.gif

And again this is not saying American blacks are any better off. The truth is , they just have more money and education. But for the most part they are still psychologically chained. Willie Lynch did a job on the Diaspora as a WHOLE. And YOU ,, if you have any drop of african blood running through your veins are a prime example of the success of mind control. Your views insure that Brazils oppressive system to non whites stays in tact!
Brazilian
written by Maria 2 , January 25, 2010
Since that racist POS called Malcolm X made fashionable for American blacks to demonstrate some "black rage" they like to think of themselves as "rebels", "fighting against the man", you name it.

Really? What rebel is part of the establishment and receives money from big corporations and other organizations?

You are not rebels, never were. You are docile and domesticated playthings eating in the hand of those who actually have the power.

And now you want to talk about "racism" in other countries. You sold the truth for some silver coins.


Nice words, a Brazilian. And I thinking you were a Black supremacist LOL!

I think Americans have a loong way until they learn better how to deal with stereotyping, I mean "intercultural relations", good post Ana Paula!
no racisme in brazil ?
written by asp, January 26, 2010
are you crazy? just in the last 4 or 5 months there have been various reports of neo nazi crimes commited against black brazilians....

there is a huge campain in brazil talking about racism in brazil and that it is wrong...this is coming from brazlians...its not any usa rigged campain...it is real talkinga about real issues in brazil

this article needs to be engaged because it only talks about afinity of culture and red light districts....if it had talked about not wanting to be like afro americans and aproach things differently in brazil, then it would be differant...but it reffered to peoples preferances "liking a beat that was more 'latin'....", and red light district dynamics....

a brazilian, you made the stupidest comments about why obama wouldnt be elected.....and he was....your credibilty is low
Baiacu
written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
You know what is funny, the more you talk the more you look like a loser. Some of the things you say tell more about your own nature than anybody else.

You are desperate to be able to classify others. This is the "imperial privilege" Ana Paula referred to in her text. And know you hurling insults in all directions in the hope that people will listen to you.

You are a poor man, in terms of spirit. A neo nazi is much closer to you than any Brazilian.

Who is in pain? You are the one creating mythologies and fantasies about some golden age of blackness in the past in some far away land, corrupted by some "evil men" and now fantasize about a "genetic bond". You do it because you hate yourself and can't deal with reality. This is your escape.

We are Brazilians and this is our land. Here we rule. You play by our rules or f**k off. As simple as that.

Keep your infectious waste of a culture and keep it. Nobody needs it, nobody wants it. Your mind is broken.

You don't even have a country of your own. You live in the US, but fantasize about somewhere else. No land is yours.
Silly Article
written by Mineiricano, January 26, 2010
I lived in the States (born there) for 45 years and never met a black person who was planning a trip to Brazil. Rarely met a white person who was. Any intelligent tourist would go somewhere a little safer. The culturally motivated black American would probbaly go to Africa (where he'd learn how good he has it and stop bitching about slavery when he gets home); the horny black America is more likely to wind up in Rio. In Rio, he can get the babes and learn what true racism is.
Mineiricano
written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
In Rio, he can get the babes and learn what true racism is.


I have never met anyone more idiot than you before. Now, real racism is a society that plays race a central role and determinant factor to what people was, is and will be. You have been indoctrinated and brainwashed with ideology programs in your school system. That simple.

Out of the US nobody gives a s**t about it. It is just you and your (broken) head.
A Brazilian
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
I am not going to get into insults with you. Anyone can see through the smoke you putting in the air. A bunch of verbage with no substance. You need to look at what you wrote. Only the insecure can appreciate what you say.

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Who is in pain? You are the one creating mythologies and fantasies about some golden age of blackness in the past in some far away land, corrupted by some "evil men" and now fantasize about a "genetic bond". You do it because you hate yourself and can't deal with reality. This is your escape.


If you can find where I said this anywhere in my post,,let me know. You play word games in attempt to deflect from your nonsense and that of Ana Paula's.

Really , as was said before , you are to be pitied.
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
Really , as was said before , you are to be pitied.


I am in shock. smilies/cheesy.gif

Not really, that's just a joke. Try harder.
A Brazilian
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
I am not going to get into insults with you. Anyone can see through the smoke you putting in the air. A bunch of verbage with no substance. You need to look at what you wrote. Only the insecure can appreciate what you say.

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Who is in pain? You are the one creating mythologies and fantasies about some golden age of blackness in the past in some far away land, corrupted by some "evil men" and now fantasize about a "genetic bond". You do it because you hate yourself and can't deal with reality. This is your escape.


If you can find where I said this anywhere in my post,,let me know. You play word games in attempt to deflect from your nonsense and that of Ana Paula's.

Really , as was said before , you are to be pitied. If you come with any solutions , let us all knowsmilies/wink.gif

btw, I don't respond to things you say , not because I can't dispute it. But because it doesn't make any sense.
Ana's whole rant was objecting to what TOURISTS have to say. And that's plain silly.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

And then your hateful tirade against black americans....who are no more than descendants of slaves just like the vast majority of Brazilians.
As noted in the past you never reveal what your racial makeup is. But I presume you are mulatto. And desperately want "BRAZILIAN" to be a "race".
But in the real world, that is not going to happen.
I can remember living in Sao Paulo. And I can't tell you how many times people let you know in a direct or indirect way what their orgin of descent is.smilies/smiley.gif "I'm Brazil , but of Italian descent. I'm Brazilian but of German descent." etc. Of course they didn't necessarily say they were Brazilian. But were quick and astute and touting their heritage. Just pointing this out to let you know that race and such matters. Even in Brazil.
But of course you , and ALL of us know this. But YOU entertain the dream that one day this will not be the case. You want Brazilian to BE a race.
Racists the globe over AREN"T going to let that happen. You can cry , kick and scream all you want. It's NOT going to happen. And that is the final point.
The whole one drop theory is not just an American phenomenon. Anyone , anywhere , can and will use it against you if they are a racist. Or have to work within the institutionalized racist framework on a business level. Everyone knows this.

Don't think I am taking the time to reply FOR YOUsmilies/wink.gif I am aware we have an audience. You can skip all over this for all I care.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

But my final point is that I actually sympathize with or at best feel compassion for a racist. They are dominated by fear based on believing in evolutionist Darwin "stuff". If the shoe were on the other foot. And I didn't know , or "thought" I knew the Truth about certain things, I'd more than likely have a very natural fear of becoming "extinct" also.smilies/cry.gif
There is really nothing wrong in itself in wanting to preserve your basic genetic makeup for further generations to appreciate. It's really very natural. But getting angry about or even trying to prevent others from copulating outside side of their "race" only serves to cause problems for us ALL.
In short.. Whites are going to disappear from a Judaic Christian Biblical point of view. But if you don't KNOW this or ACKNOWLEDGE this. Your FEARS are very substantiatedsmilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gif

Hence, the world we live in. smilies/angry.gif One dominated by fears of all types.
I am not going to question your character. Not my business. Nor my concern. But what I will say is you and Ana Paula bark up the wrong tree. Who cares about the opinions of black American "tourists"?... Apparently both of you do. And this "Maria" on board. Don't give "tourists" that much power.smilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif

I'll be expecting another rant. And I may respond if it is worth it. And "educate" others. Because it is really all very simple.smilies/wink.gif
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written by Charles Scott, January 26, 2010
Mineiricano, pls go to google. Type in the "Africa they do not show you" you will find that contrary to the representations in the western press. Many Africans are not only doing well, they are living lives of opulence many in the west can only dream about. I have been to Senegal, Cape Verde, Abuja and Lagos, Nigeria, Accra, Ghana,Luanda, Angola, Republic of Benin and Cape Town, South Africa. Believe me, many of the Africans are living so good, they will never trade their lives to move anywhere in the west. Even I did not want to come back to the States. Believeing all Africans are poor and suffering is a myth, I met Brazillians in Luanda who swore off Brazil. Just my two cents.
Asp
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
are you crazy? just in the last 4 or 5 months there have been various reports of neo nazi crimes commited against black brazilians....


Man,,don't even bother addressing stats with "A Brazilian". He knows what time it is. We all do.smilies/sad.gif And you can try to reason with him all you want , but it will be in vain. He is disgruntled and has issues with black Americans. It's really that simple.

He won't mention if he has ever been to the States. Doesn't reveal the shade of his complexion.I am sure that is on purpose.So that can't really pinpoint where he is coming from. But not saying anything reveals MUCH in itself.
Anyway,, who cares.. He himself has racists undertones in what he writes. If he is mulatto, which I suspect. He hates the black blood running through his veins. I have NEVER heard him say anything close to being nice about anything related to African culture. But what is interesting is that he detests "Aryan" idealogy. Which makes me conclude he wants "Brazilian" to BE a race. (hence his name "A Brazilian)
A new race of sorts. Which for all intents and purposes could be an idea to entertain.
Still doesn't negate the fact that this "new race" of BRAZILIANS will always have others with racists attitudes , be they overt or subtle, that deal with them BECAUSE they are of mixed race.
This is reality....
And my premise is that it is really no big deal ONCE you understand it all.


a brazilian, you made the stupidest comments about why obama wouldnt be elected.....and he was....your credibilty is low


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I missed that forum. I wish I was there.
That speaks volumes. Really clueless on politics. You HAD to be a racist to think Obama WASN"T going to win. The fact that he was even in the race could let you know he was GUARANTEED to win. It WASN"T and it never would have been the black vote to put him there.
His world view is limited. His view is LIMITED. Period.

Don't waste your time.smilies/wink.gif
Hopefully he won't reply to this. But we shall soon see. smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
type o asp
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
, be they overt or subtle, that deal with them BECAUSE they are of mixed race.


Should read.. that "WON'T" deal with them.
I'm just having fun here. Not trying to win a Pulitzer prize. smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
The whole one drop theory is not just an American phenomenon.


Americans were leaders in the field of eugenics in the past and even today you still preserve such beliefs. The one drop theory is 100% American and only American.

Don't try to put Europeans in this same category because it is different there, it is more like Brazil but with a more strict criteria for "white". In Europe if someone looks "mixed" that's just assumed to be so and nobody asks any questions, and they still are part of their country just like anybody else.

Americans are the only who give "special names" to "special people" such as yourself. Not only one dropping them, but also making sure that they don't think the US is their home. After all, you are an African-American, you are a foreigner in your own country. Now who doesn't belong here?

The whole desperate effort to create a myth of some golden age with noble warriors and honest beautiful people in some far away Africa land is pathetic.

In many aspects it is just as pathetic as white supremacists doing to the same for some mythical Aryan land or whatever Nazi BS they are into.

You are one of those individuals who are lost.

But of course you , and ALL of us know this. But YOU entertain the dream that one day this will not be the case. You want Brazilian to BE a race.
Racists the globe over AREN"T going to let that happen.


I think most people have more important things to do in their lives than to care about how someone calls himself. The only obsessed about it and racists and politicians. And you are in the first group.

Unlike you, nobody has to argue or prove anything. We are 40% of Brazil and we outnumber you easily. We are more of a nation than you are, not only in terms of size, but also because we have more history and it came to be naturally without generous contributions from Ford Foundation and other crooks.

I am not even sure if African Americans qualify as a nation, I think you are more like a business whose goal is profit. It is about using race for making a few bucks.

You don't teach anybody, you are a failure in all aspects.
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
But not saying anything reveals MUCH in itself.


You wish, don't you? Why do you ignore most of what I say?

Try harder.

I missed that forum. I wish I was there.
That speaks volumes. Really clueless on politics. You HAD to be a racist to think Obama WASN"T going to win. T


That's because Asp is lying. I never said such a thing, and Obama was put there by big money. He was hailed almost unanimously by the media as the second coming (with the exception of Fox News) and lied and lied and lied.

I ignored his post because it was too stupid, but the fact that you are trying to use it to attack me is funny.

Come on, am I giving you such a hard time? Answer to my comments.
Ana Paula , A Brazilan and Maria 2
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
Why don't you guys take your rant and gripe to your elected elite who are taking it upon themselves to hire Rudy Guliani.
You hate American ways so much. Why is Brazilian buying them?.....

Talk about hypocritessmilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif
But it is what it is.We all know the "ELITE" of Brazil DON"T think like you. They have an agenda or better yet, have to COMPLY to an agenda. THE PLANTATION EFFECT.....

Brazil knows what its doing. It knows what it started. It knows what to DO about it in the most politically correct way.smilies/wink.gif
Nazi style... right?smilies/wink.gif
A Brazilian..
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
I have time.. So I guess I will entertain myself.

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Dude,, Who "one drops" anymore. That's a thing of the past. Get over yourself. And know what is really going on today.
A Brazilian
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010


Unlike you, nobody has to argue or prove anything. We are 40% of Brazil and we outnumber you easily. We


Now we are making headway. Who is this "WE" you are referring. I am trying to figure out just WHAT you are . you still aren't telling us.
White,, Mulatto..Black.????
Pick one.
Or do you just want to remain "A Brazilian",, since you obviously take issue with labels.

I can care less what they call people with negro blood in them. What matters is that they can and will be discriminated against when convenient.
Come on, am I giving you such a hard time? Answer to my comments.


Come with some substance and I willsmilies/wink.gif
you arnt fooling me, a brazilian...
written by asp, January 26, 2010
i remember very well you and r amoral were saying some really stupid things about how obama would never get elected....you dropped off this forum after the election....

you are the one who wont address the neo nazi attacks in several cities recently, sao paulo and porto allegre....

you wont address the fact that i see brazilians all over the media addressing racism and ackowledging that it exists in brazil...

racism in brazilian society is something that is being faced and talked about and their are specific laws on the books about it. why would there be laws if there was no reason to protect people from racism in brazil?

you think europe doesnt have racism? there have been riots all over europe in the past few years....there is also a lot of propaganda going down there to vote in candidates based on racist fears
asp
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
LOLOL KKKKKK ^^^^^


i remember very well you and r amoral were saying some really stupid things about how obama would never get elected....you dropped off this forum after the election....

I believe you inspite of what he says. This is where he will start to misquote you and try to draw you into a war of symantecs. Don't fall for it.
I remember him and Thaddeus going at it over moral relativity about 2 years ago. I was surprise Thaddeus stayed on board as long as he did with "A Brazilian". But at least the rest got educated on different viewpoints. Which is probably why Blanchette generously entertained him.
Don't take the bait.
I am still waiting to see what 'version' Brazilian he wants to tell us he issmilies/wink.gif. ????
But is spells "tragic mulatto" all over.
Attacking me as racist. And I am trying to figure out how he can come up with that......?smilies/shocked.gif
But that is part of his game. Slander to get viewers ( he knows we have an audience) to have preconcieved notions about a poster. I am waiting for any racist comment of mine he can copy and paste.smilies/wink.gif
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
you are the one who wont address the neo nazi attacks in several cities recently, sao paulo and porto allegre....


What attacks? You can't even cite one case and refer to supposed "attacks" in a general way.

This is a fruit of your imagination.

i remember very well you and r amoral were saying some really stupid things about how obama would never get elected....you dropped off this forum after the election....


Then you remember wrong. I could have said he was a con artist, but never that he wouldn't win because that was obvious with all the hype and money thrown at him.

Please quote the supposed message.

racism in brazilian society is something that is being faced and talked about and their are specific laws on the books about it. why would there be laws if there was no reason to protect people from racism in brazil?


Because NGOs funded by foreign money are trying to surreptitiously introduce laws without the support of the people. That's the only way they can do it.

Some leftists are either paid or just ignorant. But most people are against it.
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written by fried chc, January 26, 2010
Don’t Blame It on Rio!

Defining other people… Isn’t that what discrimination is all about? And that’s what americans are really good at! Just look at this board and their (gringo) opinions, pathetic!

Be it profiling, racism, prejudice, dehumanizing, the fabric of american society. I rest my case.

God Mess Amerika,

Costinha
Maybe something worth commenting on
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
A Brazilian. You are somewhere in the middle of this
as to what white supremacists do in terms of the so called "Aryan history", a fabled past of noble and strong warriors that now are corrupted because of "them" (insert here the scapegoat for the conspiracy, like jews for example). African Americans do just the same. Africa is magical place, and the blacks are noble savages enslaved by "the man



You've taken something you've read in a book or heard and run away with it as if this is how Americans think in general....

Isn't that what you don't want others to do? Isn't that the backdrop for you and Ana Paulas rants?



Asp and baiacu, she never claimed that people can't like whatever they like, only that it is not up to them to tell Brazilians what constitutes Brazil.


You are disgruntled.. You want a new race.. Brazilians. To make mulattos legitimate in the eyes of racists.
It's simple.
Relax. It's not that serious.
Looking at me you will see what everyone in the U.S would call "black". Period. It doesn't offend me. It doesn't define me. Basically it is for the census. WHO CARES?!!!smilies/tongue.gif

But my racial and/or national make-up is of West African orgin. What nation? I don't have a clue. South and west Africnn orgin. More than likely Angola. English. Irish. Portuguese.Taino indian. Cherokee indian. Blackfoot indian.

Question?.....
Do you think anyone really cares to analyze that before they decide how they treat me? Particullary a racist , be it in the States or Brazil?

Case in point. Bahia. My mothers land. I experienced an ARCHAIC style of discriminaton and offense because of my shade of brown being cut in line BOLDLY. As if I should have EXPECTED it!!!smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/angry.gif. At Club Med and Perini grocery. Boy did faces drop and turned all shades of red when I laid into my offenders in fluent Portuguese with a foreign accent.smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/shocked.gif
Apologies ensued only because they realized I wasn't the native they thought I was. Other than that I am sure it was expected for me to swallow my pride. Actually NOT have any. And go with the obvious status quo. I mean at Perini the Baiana clerk seemed to be on auto pilot as to who to assist FIRST!smilies/angry.gif

Now if this is not programmed, institutionalized racism. I don't know what is????!!!!!smilies/shocked.gifsmilies/sad.gif

My reaction in those instances which my mom warned me about is the "infection" I think you don't want "coming to Brazil".

You, "A Brazilian" want the darkies to know their place. This so YOU can maintain your NEW RACE privlege. To protest is a threat to it.
LOLOL. I remember me and one of my cousins going to a restaurant on the orhla and being told by "security" (my color mind you) the restaurant was FULL when I saw empty seats everywhere. The only way we got in was because management happened to walk by and I called him over and I STRENGTHENED my foriegn accent. smilies/shocked.gif We got seats right away AFTER the "theft" problem was explained to us.

Classic racial, actually complexion profiling. All day long in Bahia.

I laugh at these encounters now. Ones my mother took care to have us avoid by not going to "certain" areas I knew good and well as a teen we could afford to. She didn't want the hassle the morenos e pretos experience. smilies/sad.gif

I could go on and on. But you get the point. You KNOW the point. Racism is alive in well in Brazil despite the myth that it isn't an issue until OUTSIDERS bring it up. Who are you kidding!???

Face it. You sir are a fair skinned mulatto that wants to keep morenos and pretos in their place.smilies/angry.gif And you detest "Aryan" ideaology because it keeps YOU in your place.smilies/angry.gif You don't want to risk more morenos and pretos competing for some of the few slots the system grants you as a courtesy. Affirmative action will mean even LESS slots. Yes they will add a little color in the upper echelons of certain panels. They HAVE to , to save face. But we all know that the darker you get, the harder it gets.

I'm still waiting..... Black , White or Mulatto?...Take your pick.

We have steered so far from the original topic which was the foolishness in criticizing TOURISTS for their OPINIONS. Really ,, who intelligent does that?smilies/shocked.gif

I could see criticizing foriegn permanent residents for attacking what they "perceive" as going on in Brazil . But TOURISTS?

The author has issues.smilies/cry.gif
A word or two on Abe
written by Simpleton, January 26, 2010
Glass tower type. Best education money in Brazil could buy - book smart result complete. Doesn't go out to the park to play with the kids - not for fear the sun rays may be dangerous / only because the skin may darken. Interacting / relating directly with people of the streets, unguarded neighborhoods, those without "good appearances", extending a very personal helping hand to someone that can do no good - not a chance in the world and outside Abe's world Abe has never been except possibly in tow of elites / priveledged / given only well controlled exposures. Plastic and hollow - the chances of contributing something of substance here or anywhere would be nil to none. Conversing with the Dingos would be more stimulating. You rah rah, NGO!, NGO!, "I never said that" (because you never ever really said anything / have and always will fishtail back out of everything), blah blah blah.

2 centavos
Simple minded simpleton
written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
Doesn't go out to the park to play with the kids - not for fear the sun rays may be dangerous / only because the skin may darken.


This says more about you than about a anybody else. No, I never had this "problem" you just made up which is something completely unheard of.

If darkened sking is "bad" then why women spend such time on the beach gaining a tan? What you say is not logical. If that was true then white women would avoid the sun for not to be confused with some "mixed" person.

Simple, direct and true, I broke your entire argument with two small paragraphs.
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
And you detest "Aryan" ideaology because it keeps YOU in your place.


I only see things for what they are. I cited Aryan ideology because is the same mold used to create the American Black ideology. It is a fabrication, a lie. One was based on the other, for example:

- A mythology about a mystical past of noble people, justifying today's "bond";
- Then corruption and decadence ensue because of someone else, and that's why the "people" must unite against the common enemy (be it a Zionist government or "The man");
- Identity politics as a form of social control;
- Everyone from outsite this little group is "bad" and "hates" you;
- And a constant fear that everybody is scheming against "the people" is promoted by politicians;

Those are just some characteristics. The problem is not much the belief in such things, because that alone can't cause harm. Some people believe in gnomes and fairies and that's irrelevant.

The problem is that directing policies and education for manipulating people's minds as a form of mass mind control.

I don't care about what you or anybody else think. Consume yourself in hatred if you will. But when that becomes actual action for the enslavement of people, then that becomes my problem.
Simpleton
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
Glass tower type. Best education money in Brazil could buy - book smart result complete. Doesn't go out to the park to play with the kids - not for fear the sun rays may be dangerous / only because the skin may darken


Good analogy!smilies/wink.gif The intelligent board know it's just close psychoanalysis of the self hatred and hatred of others we are seeing displayed. Couldn't have put it any better myself. smilies/smiley.gif
Back on Topic
written by Simpleton, January 26, 2010
For the non-cultural tourists destined for Rio what my wife and I hear conversing about between them nearly every time is not something I would put forward to make our Brazil shine. Whether those uhhum, gentlemen, are black, sort of black, or not black at all doesn't change their character / nature of the experiences they are obviously are thinking they will gain one iota. Not once any of these nor any that I've interacted with, given good council to on the streets or beaches has ever brought up anything I would perceive as racist or skin tone biased. They all seem to be free of that while in I suspect they would not be back at home. Wearing a little bling and speaking in other languages than portugues always averts the underlying issues, opinions, impresssions that I well know exist in various establishments and locales - money conquers all and they just wouldn't see it / perceive it as it's nothing that they are looking to find so why would you think they would say anything about it to somehow influence Brazillians? As for the locals with substantially dark complexion - not so at all although the "words" are kept in check due to the laws. Sometimes you can find one you might call of middle class status that doesn't seem to get treated nearly thus but that too I guess you can say is the forgiveness money buys. Brazillians being unbiased towards each other in respect of racial makeup? Yes and no, depends on where you are at and it's just plain different than that which you might encounter in other parts of the world but it still exists no matter how much Abe's wish to declare it does not.
Humans are Humans. They have insecurities.
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
Racism happens. Really not a big deal once you get used to it and understand it. It's fed by natural insecurities in our imperfect state based on believing lies.Thanks to Darwinism and Evolution THEORIES.

All races are here for reason.... variety. God did it. He is not going to let a race of people disappear.

BUT....... YOU HAVE TO WANT TO BELIEVE THAT!

Everything is centered on what we BELIEVE. You can believe things that inspire Fear and Hopelessness. Or things that generate hope and work for peace.

CHOICE!smilies/smiley.gif
To Mortify Abe.....
written by dnbaiacu, January 26, 2010
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I can't help it. smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Yet another INFECTION you don't want coming to Brazil.

In the U.S among the BLACK COMMUNITY color phobia , coding, preference ran high., And slightly has some remnants. Light was "right". With good reason. More oppurtunity held out to the closer to white looking "colored folks". To keep your family upwardly mobile it was very common to marry UP. Same silliness that goes on Brazil by necessity.

With Affirmative Action and Civil Rights and such blacks and whites alike have matured out of that train of thought. Whereas once upon a time being "light" was in vogue..

Guess what?......

It's NOT anymore...... smilies/sad.gifsmilies/cry.gif.....It's that CHOCOLATE ,MOCHA DARKBLACK , that's in style.

I can see you CRINGINGsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif... PLEASE DON"T BRING THAT TO BRAZIL. I CAN'T TAKE IT!

Is that your worse fear?
Hard to follow
written by Simpleton, January 26, 2010
"No, I never had this "problem" you just made up which is something completely unheard of."

Okay, it's confirmed, Abe is not an african origined mulatto - doesn't turn "blackie" (get a very dark sunburn) / has no concept or desire to avoid the skin darkening up when HE goes to the beach as some folks (albeit few) really truely do express desires not to do there. (Or maybe Abe just never goes to the beach as then he would have to mix with society in general.)

"If darkened sking is "bad" then why women spend such time on the beach gaining a tan? What you say is not logical. If that was true then white women would avoid the sun for not to be confused with some "mixed" person."

WOW, just introducing such a concept, that white women should somehow someway not want to risk being darker / get themselves confused with a "mixed" race person shows just how incredibly deeply racist you are Abe.

"Simple, direct and true, I broke your entire argument with two small paragraphs."

Wasn't really any arguement buried down in there but if there was I think the opposite has occured - you have proven me correct on all counts!
read it and weep, a brazilian
written by asp, January 26, 2010
http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/no...-e-atacado

http://tv.pucsp.br/mm/?cat=78

http://www.correiodopovo.com.br/Noticias/?Noticia=45606

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/12/7-in-brazilian-neonazi-group-arrested-for-sao-paulo-gay-pride-attack.html
read it and weep a brazilian
written by asp, January 26, 2010
http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/no...-e-atacado

there are more if you want me to bring it in
Baiacu
written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
Keep trying, try harder.
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written by A Brazilian, January 26, 2010
This is not even a debate. It is more like Baiacu's humiliation channel.

Address what I said instead of just name calling. You can't.

The problem certain Americans have with colors, such as yourself, has to do with identity politics. And don't mistake "identity politics" with "racial politics". For identity purposes all you need is to find something you can use to divide people. It can be football teams, gender, religion or whatever.

For that to work you need to have a limited number of "opposing" groups, and play one against the other. Most people will pick one of them because of personal reasons.

Now, saying that someone needs an identity is just as non-sensical as saying that needs to choose a football team. Why!? Says who? And what is it for? What if you prefer basketball? What if you are not into sports at all.

People not belonging to any group makes the control more difficult, because it demonstrates that it is not needed and it may be threat to the system in the long term.

This is mind control. People confuse mind control with brainwashing only like in the Manchurian candidate, but even advertisements use propaganda techniques to try to influence your decision. Political propaganda, indoctrination at schools, are all different ways of controlling people.

The land of the free is a joke. Bankers own your life, your house, your car, your ass... and politicias own your minds.
That's better
written by Simpleton, January 26, 2010
Finally I think maybe Abe is coming up with something although it still seems a bit regurgitated.

Yep, a majority of us here are definitely independant and a threat to the system. Your mind control techniques and brain washing simply won't work on us perhaps because we didn't go through the one you went through. Sorry you aren't the type anyone would even consider picking to be on their team but get used to it, your complete lack of identity defines you fully.

Black YUPs, drug kings, or however they managed the money to visit Brazil doing or saying a darn thing to make black Brazillians (or any others) feel they are being told what to think of themselves / stimulating the idea that they should change to meet their imperialist visitors ideology and fancies for a chance at a better benefit for the next round to arrive - I think not. Modify their performances, celebrations and whatnot to better fit the estrangeiros views of "what's expected" - not bloodly likely. Everyone knows these interlopers come purely to foment a rise up against the masstas in a populace that doesn't have the guts to do so and put down all the Abe's once and for all.
DUMB TOPIC
written by Joshua, January 27, 2010
At least 49% of blacks have white mixture if anyone wants to get technical. Just look at Barrack Obama. His mother is white and father is Black.

The only difference I can say between the U.S. and Brasil is that the U.S focuses on the one drop of Black blood Rule. One Drop of black blood makes you automatically Black.

While the U.S has a history of Segregation.

The U.S is the only country in the hemisphere that had a civil war or Race and slavery.

Still to this day the U.S is a bit segregated. I can't find one mix/ integrated neighborhood.

Its either highly concentrated whites or highly concentrated blacks. Or highly concentrated immigrant population.

Yes it is better
written by dnbaiacu, January 27, 2010
The problem certain Americans have with colors, such as yourself, has to do with identity politics. And don't mistake "identity politics" with "racial politics". For identity purposes all you need is to find something you can use to divide people. It can be football teams, gender, religion or whatever.


The problem certain Americans have with colors, such as yourself, has to do with identity politics. And don't mistake "identity politics" with "racial politics". For identity purposes all you need is to find something you can use to divide people. It can be football teams, gender, religion or whatever.


I agree with all of this.
I don't sponsor it or necessicarily buy into the way it's been set up. But it exists. And it very much subjects people to more control. It is understandable for someone not to want that in Brazil. But the bottomline is that it exists in one way or another already. It's just not necessarily 'on paper'.

Anyway, the days are coming when color won't be used to divide and conquer us all. I am glad that I wholeheartedly believe thatsmilies/smiley.gif. All races and variations in between are beautiful and have something to contribute to everyones experience on Earth.
ana paula , ana paula, ana paula !!!!
written by asp, January 27, 2010
we want ana paula to come on in here and engage us.....

dont be afraid to come on in and dabate these issues...

one question ...is any american who comes down to brazil an imperialist privledged tourist from the empire ? what about the brazilians who fly to miami , orlando and new york ? are they imperialist privledged also ? is anyone who can buyt a ticket to anywhere in the world some kind of privledged imperialist ?
forgot some
written by Simpleton, January 27, 2010
What about the brazilians that fly to Washington and thence all over the states after visiting home? Last flight going that way that I was on was about 85%+ brazillian and there were only two families going to visit Disneyland. About 30% went to the other line and used their US passports for entry. During the flight there wasn't any talk about telling the US imperialists what they should be saying about themselves or their cultural practices. Nothing about bundas and gatinhas. The poor oriental steward got picked on by a fluent english speaker because his understanding / responsiveness to portugues orders for coffee with sugar and no milk wasn't up to snuff.
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written by Maria 2, January 27, 2010
Still to this day the U.S is a bit segregated. I can't find one mix/ integrated neighborhood.

Its either highly concentrated whites or highly concentrated blacks. Or highly concentrated immigrant population.



This racial concentration isn't down to economic differences or is it merely because people of different races don't mix? Most black Brazilians live in favelas or on the outskirts of urban areas because they are mostly low-skilled workers.
socioeconomic basis
written by Simpleton, January 27, 2010
Maria 2 - poor whites and immigrants live there too. In the states you rarely find this mix.

Those that built up the area I live in were, as a percentage, disproportionatly somewhat moneied first or second generation europeans. Most stayed. As the neighborhood eventually began to change poors like myself snuck in here and there, a few other foreigners and, surprisingly enough, on about an equal percentage to that of the gross populace of the state, black families. We're pretty much homogenous on a socioeconomic level in this very small zone but I feel that it is something rare.
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written by Maria 2, January 27, 2010
Benedita da Silva is the current secretary of social assistance of rio de janeiro state. While people living in favelas of Angra dos Reis had their houses swallowed in the wake of huge mudslides she didn't leave the spa where she checked-in in the north of the state until more than a week after the accident.... While the minister of the social assistance she was fired after four months for being caught lodged in a luxury hotel in Argentina without any official appointment and spending federal money (corporate card) in the duty-free shop. She's got a biography for the English-speaking reader where reverend Jesse Jackson among others praises her accomplishments. She is depicted as the black woman who raised the flag against racism in Brazil and the first black woman to become a political representative. Her bio has too much in common with Lula's. Marina Silva is the only one from PT party (which she left after all) who proved to be faithful to her so much stated convictions. Maybe that's because she among all the other humble leaders was the only who actually laid eyes on books.
ana , ana, ana, ana.......
written by asp, January 27, 2010
we want ana to come on in here !!!!

(i know you are taking a peak at what we are saying, ana )
Very upset.
written by Ana Paula da Silva, January 28, 2010
I am very upset with the change in the title of my article. As anyone can see on our blog (www.omangueblog.blogspot.com) the original title is "Black Tourism in Brazil: Tourism Black and Blues". I do not know why Brazzil.com changed the title, which I now find to be quite inflamatory.

I was surprised at the large number of people showing up on our blog and accusing me of being "ungraceful". Now I understand why this is occuring.
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written by Ana Paula da Silva, January 28, 2010
As for the comments above, what can I say? Both sides are actively taking my article so far out of context that it is bleeding off the screen.

For those who would like me to belabor the obvious, let me write a simple list...

1) I'm not saying black Americans should not come to Brazil.

2) I'm not saying black Brazilians' problems are caused by black Americans.

3) I'm not saying most black Americans are doing anything different than most white Americans. And I find that to be rather unfortunate.

4) Yes, I am making generalizations. So what? Generalizations are not stereotypes and generalizations are not bad things simply for being generalizations.

5) No, I am not saying all black Americans in Brazil fit into these categories. Adrian Erik, for example, is a black American who I very much like and who has been to my house many times. I don't always
agree with what he says, but I think his positions are well thought out and I think he is doing very positive things in Bahia. I have met other black Americans like Adrian. Unfortunately, I have met many more who, aside from superficial differences, are pretty much indistinguishable from your average American tourist of any color.

6) I most CERTAINLY do not agree with A Brazilian's position that black Brazilian militancy or racism itself is caused by black Americans.

7) While I am not a Pan-Africanist and do not believe in transracial unity and conformity to one "black" position or essence, I most certainly am not a Brazilian nationalist. I do not believe that we are a unified mestiço race, fated for greatness if we could just get the gringos off our backs.

smilies/cool.gif My position can best be described as "diasporic" in the sense that diasporas create multiplicities, diversities and disagreements, not ethnic conformity. I do not believe in the idea of "one great black race": I find the very idea to be redolent of fascism. I believe in the idea of a lot of smaller, more contextual and interlinked black groups and histories and I enjoy exploring these.

9) Ultimately, my point is that the American belief in "one great black race", when combined with imperial privilege and the natural ethnocentrism that any people has, runs the risk of overlooking or drowning out many black experiences in Brazil. Most particularly, black Brazilian modernism seems to be on very few black Americans' radar screens at this time. I hope that changes. On our blog, Melvin has brought up "hip hop tourists" and their supposed engagement with Black Brazilian modernity. I have not seen much of this. Melvin assures me that it is occuring on a significant scale. One can hope that he's correct and that things will change. My article was meant to be a spur for that change.

10) Finally, I am not "kicking black Americans in the teeth". I am making what seems to me to be a very necessary criticism of certain black American practices and attitudes. The fact that people have reacted so intensely to this rather mild criticism indicates to me that I've poked some folks where they are sensitive. This was not my intention, but the overreactions and almost hysterical proclamations regarding my supposed "racism" and "self-hatred" indicate to me that there are a lot of people out there who need to examine their consciences more clearly. Obviously, I've struck a nerve.
well, thanks ana paula....i must get over to your blog
written by asp, January 28, 2010
i dont think its over reacting to question your terms like "imperial privilege"....just because people can fly somewhere...

you flew to the usa, what kind of privilege would you call that?

i surly dont see self hatred or racism in what you have brought up. instead of focusing on whether black americans like copoeira because they culturaly relate to that instead of jiu jitso , or poking them for liking a beat that is informed by african culture rather than watered down, why didnt you go into more why afro brazilians dont have to lock step with them on a "black revolution american style" philosophy

your comments about "beats" makes me curious if you have any dance or music training and performance experiance, since that would at least give you more artistic insight as to why or why not artists would relate to these beats and prefer them over watered down beats or heavy metal

but, great you came in here
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written by Ana Paula da Silva, January 28, 2010
Asp, I am incredibly privileged relative to most Brazilians, black or white. That privilege, however, isn't a side-effect of my country's international dominance and prestige.

I have yet to go on a voyage overseas which hasn't come a hairsbreadth close to denial of entry at immigration. Can you say the same about your travels to Brazil on an American passport - in spite of the color of your skin (which I presume is black)?

In order to even get my first visa to the U.S., I had to call in all sorts of favors with people I knew who knew, say, the American vice consul. Being married to an American didn't hurt, either. Even so, I was almost denied, in spite of having enough money and proof of financial support, a job and etc. And every time there's a checkpoint on an international flight, guess who gets called out and checked and double checked? The young woman in the black skin with the green passport.

It's a simple fact, Asp, that even if we were to have the same amount of money and status, your citizenship allows you to move about the world with much less hassle than mine. That, my friend, is part of your imperial privilege. It is also a fact that if we two were to sit down in a restaraunt in Bahia, you would probably be treated very well as a (presumably rich) American tourist while, based on my color, gender and nationality, I would be treated like a prostitute. This has happened to me any number of times in Salvador and it is one of the reasons that I do not share most black Americans' passion with Afrodisney.

As for capoeira, what's there "culturally to relate" to that's not also present in every martial art? Far be it for me to say black americans shouldn't study capoeira. But when capoeira is raised to the heights of some sort of purely African cultural remnant, when black Americans tell me, with a straight face, that its practicioners in Brazil were mostly run-away rebel slaves who fought tooth and nail against the slavery regime, then I think it is time to say "OK, guys, your need for heritage myths is beginning to drown out history".

Capoeiristas were historically a fairly diverse group of people in terms of color, at least in Rio in the late 19th and early 20th century. What they had in common was their lower class status. There's enormous doubt as to whether the art form even existed as fighting in Africa, or whether what was called capoeira in 1800 was anything like what we call capoeira today. Several of its populizers (like Mestre Bimba) were quite open about the fact that they made up a lot of what is today's capoeira, borrowing heavily from any number of fighting styles.

I do not think that transforming Brazilian history into marketable American myths is necessarily a bad thing. It becomes negative, in my view, when said myths end up almost completely obfuscating history itself. It becomes negative when a Brazilian who has studied the sport's history is called "racist" or "ignorant" by Americans who have invested in the sport's myth, simply because said Brazilian does not believe in some of the myths.

It does not show respect or wisdom to forget one's ancestors in this fashion.

Back when I was in Washington D.C., Thaddeus and I often joked that one way to get black Americans to take my opinions seriously would be to start my own "Afro-indigenous" religious cult. I'd claim to be "Mãe Ana", the last in the line of sacerdotas of a small, forgotten quilombo from the backwoods of Maranhão. We'd use our knowledge of anthropology to knock together something reasonably real looking and we'd make a mint.

Now, however, I know that I'd have to say I was from Salvador for this to work. For even though backwoods Maranhão probably contains far many more elements of African cultural survival than Bahia, if one doesn't say the magic word "Bahia", most Black Americans simply won't recognize it as black and Brazilian. Bahia's now a brand-name and Black Brazilians ignore using it at their peril. smilies/grin.gif
Ana Paula, some comments
written by A Brazilian, January 28, 2010
6) I most CERTAINLY do not agree with A Brazilian's position that black Brazilian militancy or racism itself is caused by black Americans.


I think you should get your facts straight:

http://www.midiasemmascara.org/artigos/movimento-revolucionario/10510-consciencia-negra-um-produto-da-fundacao-ford.html

Em 2001, a Fundação Ford gastou 280 milhões de dólares na formação de "lideranças emergentes de comunidades marginalizadas fora dos EUA". Segundo Magnoli, "as subvenções da Fundação replicaram nas universidades brasileiras os modelos de estudos étnicos e de 'relações raciais' aplicados nos EUA e consolidaram uma rede de organizações racialistas que começaram a produzir os discursos e demandas dos similares norte-americanos". Isso inclui a doação de dinheiro a universidades que tenham implantado o sistema de cotas.


The people involved in this operation may be of all colors, after all for identity politics, white, black and brown all cooperate to produce the enslavement of society.

But the Black brazilians movement is funded by US based organizations and ideologically follow black Americans with "one black race", "one drop rule", inverse racism, etc.

There's an American political interest, be it black elites or white or anything else, to install the same American racism in here.
Wow.......
written by dnB, January 28, 2010
Always good to communicate and clarify one's position.....

I enjoyed Ana Pauls da Silvas' response. Her take on things is better understood by me at least.

it is one of the reasons that I do not share most black Americans' passion with Afrodisney.


I had to laugh and agree wholeheartedly with this one. smilies/smiley.gif

And I also want to APOLOGIZE for jumping to any conclusions based on the "tone" of the article. Maybe it was for "shock value" smilies/cheesy.gif, now that you cleared things up. smilies/wink.gif

At any rate most "tourists" think on very simplistic terms based on their OWN experience where they are from. It's not necessarily right, but it's what happens. What's good is that "tourists" go back "home".
If anything, what unites the black diaspora is the PAIN of being discriminated against. How it is addressed is OBVIOUSLY culture specific. But can't one expect the average tourist to have enough understanding to come to that conclusion. Just be thankful they come and spend their money no matter what they are fascinated by or what conclusions they draw. At the end of the day it all comes down to each one teach one.

The article came off as insulting. At least to me. Being of african descent with orgins in the States and Bahia it strikes a nerve to witness or perceive disaccord when we could be communicating and working together in what we DO have in common,, life in an oppressive society ,capitalistically financed with institutionalized racism to MAINTAIN cheap labor as its fuel.
Brazil is truly a horse of a different color. And yes, black americans may take what they see by first impression and run with it. But that is to be expected. I questioned the motive of the article and what good could it accomplish with its' tone. Trust, we have enough problems and dissension at it is. Let's NOT mimick the oppressors and get caught up in their divisive politics.
Most Americans black , white and latino don't have CLUE about the real position they are in. And the ultimate price for having lived so high on the hog for so long. The arrogance is based on ignorance. And it's sad. The plea is to target the elite, the powers that be. Because the average citizen is clueless and is just as much a victim. smilies/cry.gif
thanks again for answering ana paula...
written by asp, January 28, 2010
beleive me, there are aspects i agree with you about and aspects i dont..i am white by the way and know who the santa catarina poet cruz de souza is and have heard his poetry but havent memorised it, or could make and intelligant comment on his poetry...

i travel in my business with a unit of highly trained individuals, one of them is black from bahia. we all have been checked out sometimes but more often than not, she isnt checked out or hasseled at all, not that it couldnt happen the next time...and i have been taken into the bowels of rios international airport with a surly individual...i dont find being american gives me a free pass anywhere...so i dont agree with your portrayal of the imperialist privledged travler..and its kind of a turn off term...surly meant to get the attention of your article you are talking about

i understand you might have that experiance in salvador , but, i doubt you would have it at every restaurant there..you can also have that experiance in rio...can you beleive that in 1986 i tried to enter help with an innocent freind , a gorgeous black girl, and was denied because they said she was a prostitute (that is the old days huh) ?

copoeira ? you are right there is lots of misinformation about it, there is wonderful history in recife, the early 19 hundreds where there were street gangs that practiced copoeira and they would follow the other gangs favorite neighborhood frevo band and try to infiltrate inside to puncture the oposing gangs frevo bands bass drum with a machete...the machetes later became small guarda sols and many frevo steps are derived from copoeira moves...whip that on the next foreign copoeirist who thinks it all came from bahia

but the musical aspects of the beat on the atabaques and berimbao and the chants are what seperates it from just any martial art , those aspects are very afro oriented, but, the exact history ill agree is not set in stone...

i agree that the maranhao, recife and various other places has extremly deep and rich afro brazilian roots that should be checked out by anyone really interested in that subject..

i just think what you really want to say is that afro brazilians dont have to follow in any way the way afro americans have struggled to find themselves in the american landscape...afro brazilians have their own struggle and history that has to be addressed and who wants the black white devide that the usa has become , anyway...not that great lessons cant be learned from the afro american struggle

i dont find fault with afro americans coming to brazil looking for afro brazilian culture and preferring it...i am too, and im white, and beleive me, you have to dig for it like treasrue, it just isnt dripping out of the media,except for a few days in carnival where this magic is on display for a quick minute.like you said, you have more exposure to tango.sure if they are telling you that is what you have to like, that is wrong, but, they have a right to look for that treasure...thank god there isnt an immigration department that tells us what culture we have a right to like or notm and what culture we are supposed to have an affinity with...
a brazilian
written by asp, January 28, 2010
that one drop is a bs relic from the old south....it doesnt carry any wieght in society today

last time i traveled to the states, miami, la and new mexico, most every where i went was dominated by spanish speaking people...

there is a heavy new dynamic in the usa, there are just more players on the table now...
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written by Ana Paula da Silva, January 28, 2010
A Brazilian, unlike you, I suffered personally because of the Fundação Fode. When I applied for the scholarhsip, I was told that I wasn't "politically active enough" to recieve it.

Now, never mind that I'd been working 40-60 hours a week since I was 15 to support my family and that I now am more-or-less responsible, financially speaking, for three people. Never mind that during most of my undergrad, I and my family were living on the tolerance of relatives. Never mind that I had indeed been active in certain black groups here in town and left them for a series of reasons involving serious differences regarding politics. Finally, never mind that a many of the Fode's scholarship winners are much, much more light-skinned and often wealthier than I and would realisitcally have difficulties encountering race- or class-based discrimination in Brazilian society...

No, in order to get the scholarship, I had to pass a political litmus test set up by foreigners who deemed themselves competent enough to judge my "leadership capacity" for changes in Brazilian society that they themselves had unilaterally decided upon.

The end result: I refused to kowtow to them, didn't get the scholarship and worked teaching 40 hours a week throughout my doctorate in order to make ends meet.

So, yes, I see your point and you know what?

You're still wrong.

Black Brazilian politics existed long before the Fode showed up. It has several centuries of history. Anyone who claims that Brazilian Black thought is created by gringos simply hasn't looked at history. My gripe with the Fode isn't that it subsidizes black Brazilian politics but that, in many cases, it seems to seek to supplant them.

End of story.
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written by A Brazilian, January 28, 2010
A Brazilian, unlike you, I suffered personally because of the Fundação Fode.


Fundação Fode, haha!smilies/cheesy.gif

Black Brazilian politics existed long before the Fode showed up. It has several centuries of history. Anyone who claims that Brazilian Black thought is created by gringos simply hasn't looked at history. My gripe with the Fode isn't that it subsidizes black Brazilian politics but that, in many cases, it seems to seek to supplant them.


But there's no denying that much of what we see today in Brazil called "black militancy" stems from them, especially this government initiatives.
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written by A Brazilian, January 28, 2010
hat one drop is a bs relic from the old south....it doesnt carry any wieght in society today


For black militants it is very real.
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written by $hit disturber, January 28, 2010
Is it really ana Paula writing? Her enrish is that good? Or is Thad having another Cybil moment?
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written by fried chc, January 28, 2010
I think that “Ana Paula” and “A Brazilian” are both right and yet, both wrong. Here is my reasoning:

Yes, there are racial discriminations in both countries (Brasil and the US), however, let’s don’t forget that Brasil was colonized by the Portuguese while the US, by the English. That alone makes a huge difference in racial relations as both of you should know.

In principle, the Portuguese were much more apt to bond with their slaves, while the English treated them like tangible livestock, as derogatory as that may sound.

Also, the types of blacks that came to Brasil were a different lot then the ones that were shipped to North America, also an important factor.

Another main point is that in the US, African Americans are much more radical (uses reverse discrimination often) then Brasilian African descendents. For example, in the US blacks may call their counterparts “n****rs,” not valid for white person to use the same offensive language, unless you want to fight and justifiably so.

Likewise, in Brasil we all democratically get along in public places, inter-racial marriages are more likely to be accepted, and the like. However, in the fabric of our Brasilian society, the higher you go the lighter the skin complexion will be, and that’s a fact!

I considered myself lucky for being raised without regards to skin color, but to judge the character of my friends. And yes, I am white of northern European appearance; but that alone does not make me any better then any other person of any race or religion.

And I think, I speak for the very average Brasilian person in heart and philosophy.

That’s my opinion,

Costinha
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written by $hit disturber, January 28, 2010
Costinha, Brazil's messy afterbirth.... It should have been incinerated with the rest of the medical waste.
Is that Ana Paula writing?
written by Plumber, January 28, 2010
s**t-stirrer, if you'd take a look at their website, you'll see that Thaddeus translates for Ana Paula. My guess is that he got sick and tired of pointing this out every time Ana made a post.

Acorda p'ra cuspir, filho.
Is that Ana Paula writing?
written by Plumber, January 28, 2010
s**t-stirrer, if you'd take a look at their website, you'll see that Thaddeus translates for Ana Paula. My guess is that he got sick and tired of pointing this out every time Ana made a post.

Acorda p'ra cuspir, filho.
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written by Charles Scott, January 28, 2010
Costinha,I agree with your position,except your statement that the type of slaves brought to Brazil were different, in fact they were not, most slaves were brought to the Americas from West Africa. To Ana Paula, your anger and crticism is misdirected, nobody needs to be influenced that they are discriminated against. People become militant when they realize they are being sold a pile of horses**t. Your viewpoint is similar to that of the white racists in the 60's who accused Martin Luther King for being a communist because he fought for equality. As King said, "nobody needs to inform me that I am second class citizen. I am reminded of it everyday" As for your anger towards the slights you felt at the hands of American immigration officers,that statement by itself shows your naivity at the way the world works, do you think African Americans do not get harassed at ports of entry in the U.S. Please note that all Brazillians also get treated the same way, both white and black, it's called immigration control. I again believe that your anger like the anger I found in Black Brazillians against African Americans in Salvador and other parts of Brazil stem from a form of misplaced jeolousy/inferiority complex. Since you state that you are not a pan Africanist, I am afraid, this is a viewpoint, you simply cannot understand.
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written by $hit disturber, January 28, 2010
@Plumber. You mean he is TALKING for her? He's not simply translating. Its OBVIOUS. As well, without mentioning the two card monte the article is disingenuous at best given there is no translation credit. No surprises, the fuzzy soft social sciences are renown for slight of hand.
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written by fried chc, January 28, 2010

$hit disturber... BUTT BUTT BUTT

Me :::::::/> You (....o....)

Hehehe

Costinha
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written by dnB, January 28, 2010
again believe that your anger like the anger I found in Black Brazillians against African Americans in Salvador and other parts of Brazil stem from a form of misplaced jeolousy/inferiority complex. Since you state that you are not a pan Africanist, I am afraid, this is a viewpoint, you simply cannot understand.


I tend to agree with you on that point. Although I have been trying to do my best to give the benefit of the doubt.
But as the saying goes, "there's a thin line between love and hate". A VERY THIN ONE. Haters usually want to "be" you or "have" you. That's why it's best for them not to say much because it reveals so much about themselves.
Ana's comeback was redemptory at best. But the article was questionable in intent and motive and surely brought a few haters out of closet. I love to see different perspectives in the end because it makes you very aware just how many think.

One thing people "with" some orgin in Africa, be it in the U.S or Brazil share in common is slavery from the past and still exists psychologically. The last thing we need is more silly division .
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written by Charles Scott, January 28, 2010
@dnb. Thanks for getting across what I was trying to say.
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written by $hit disturber, January 28, 2010
$hit disturber... BUTT BUTT BUTT

Me :::::::/> You (....o....)

Hehehe

Costinha


You like f**king men's asses? hahahahah. Well, Apart from cariocas being renown as being utterly repulsive slime-bags, they also like to swing both ways.
Charles Scott
written by A Brazilian, January 28, 2010
People become militant when they realize they are being sold a pile of horses**t.


What people are you talking about? Not the brazilian people, because all the "militant" apparatus was bought or brought by the Ford Foundation. The militancy that exists in Brazil is not the will of the people, it is, in fact, the will of an invading force.
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written by A Brazilian, January 28, 2010
Ana's comeback was redemptory at best. But the article was questionable in intent and motive and surely brought a few haters out of closet. I love to see different perspectives in the end because it makes you very aware just how many think.


I think you are trying to hide your insecurity behind some "I think highly about myself" nonsense, similarly to many "pride movements" out there. Hiding a little and weak self behind a façade.

Everybody that tries too hard to "demonstrate" to others confidence (instead of simply having it) is a liar.

You are not hate worthy. There are bigger things that could genuinely upset someone, but your ideology is simply pathetic.

We are not "hating" you by telling you the truth, it is more like talking to a little child explaining that something is wrong and it shouldn't do it.

And you are one of those very annoying types of children that keep messing up with everybody and whose parents don't seem to give enough education.
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written by Ana Paula da Silva, January 28, 2010
Linda.

Tem gente que acha que sou racista por criticar os americanos, tem gente que acha que sou racista por não criticar os americanos ainda mais e tem gente que acha que não existo.

Chega.
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written by dnB, January 28, 2010
think you are trying to hide your insecurity behind some "I think highly about myself" nonsense, similarly to many "pride movements" out there. Hiding a little and weak self behind a façade.


Abe. I am insecure in quite a few aspects of my life. We are all insecure. That's why debates such as these exists. But you are entertaining me at this point. Keep it up. I'm always on linesmilies/wink.gifsmilies/wink.gif

If something comes up worth addressing I will respond.

Just remember, the more you hate, the more "fears" you reveal that others can exploit. Hate is a byproduct of fear......Let it go.
Funny you were quick to conclude you were one of the "haters" I referred to. As they say, "if the shoe fits".smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/wink.gif

We are not "hating" you by telling you the truth


And what do you know about "truth"? smilies/smiley.gif

Enlighten us, please.
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written by fried chc, January 28, 2010

$hit disturber... OK, you got me:


You (....o....) &
Just look at the black group out of Sao Paulo
written by Joshua, January 29, 2010
Brasil has been influence somewhat By Americans for Decades.

Look at the Group Racionais out of Sao Paulo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kni_KvBhMI



Look at the black group out of Sao Paulo "Racionais" (Negro Drama)
written by Joshua, January 29, 2010
Just look at the black group out of Sao Paulo
written by Joshua, January 29, 2010
Brasil has been influence somewhat By Americans for Decades.

Look at the Group Racionais out of Sao Paulo (Negro Drama)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kni_KvBhMI
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written by .., January 30, 2010

Brasil has been influence somewhat By Americans for Decades.


Thanks to Fundação Fode.

One-drop Tautology
written by Brazuca, February 06, 2010
Why does Ana Paula describe herself as "African Brazilian"? The overwhelming majority of Brazilians have at least "one drop" of "black" blood (not red blood), which makes them "African Brazilians" according to the American understanding of what defines race and ethnicity; the notion of hypodescent, in other words.

Since about 90% of Brazilians are therefore "African Brazilians", isn't it redundant for Ms Blanchette to describe herself as such, since she's really no different, racially or ethnically speaking, from the overwhelming majority of her countrymen?
Brazil ?????????????? wheres that ??? oh yes !! ,,the amazon ...
written by quite frankly, February 10, 2010
seriously,,,the majority of americans have never met or seen or heard a brazilian national in person..not only that but the majority of americans have never ever been to brazil or even plan to go to south america....the only thing americans know or heard about brazil is that brazil is 2 thirds a swamp called the amazon....in places like florida ,new jersey and connecticutt the only thing americans know or hear about brazilian nationals is that they are in those states as illegal aliens and have a disrespect for u.s. laws....
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written by chicho, February 11, 2010
dnb,
I really like your post. I am a black Cuban/PuertoRican raised in Harlem.
I think that everything you wrote in your post in response to Ana Paula is accurate and on-point. You expressed everything + . Ana Paula's article did show ingratitude and rejection. I kind of agreed with some things that she wrote , but I found it kind of hateful. Black-Americans have more contact with blacks from other countries than blacks from any other country. Yet African Americans, as well as blacks from the English speaking caribean always recognize other black people as family.
I consider black american struggle to be my struggle. I consider Black brazilian struggle to be my struggle. I consider black south African struggle to be my struggle.
BEWARE of Black People from spanish speaking and portuguese speaking countries. alot of them call portugal and spain the MOTHERLAND.
By the way, I work with tourist in NYC. White brazilians are MAD COOL as customers. But the black brasilian middle class tourists, FORGETABOUTIT!! They act more frightened of me than the little white ladies. SERIOUS.
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written by A Brazilian, February 12, 2010
Chicho, why don't you consider yourself to be an individual instead of herd mentality moron? Your mind is broken beyond repair.
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written by chicho, February 12, 2010
Who says I don't consider myself an individual? Any way DNB expressed perfectly what needed to be addressed. She is a smart person. I am familiar with the mentality of Spanish speaking black people in regards to race and solidarity. I am also a little familiar Black brazilians take on black issues. A little familiar but not too familiar. I am still learning.But what I must say about this chick Ana Paula is that her article comes off ugly. It rubs me the wrong way. It sounds like such a strong rejection of African-Americans. Its like when a family member does not want to be part of the family. Africans from Africa and English Speaking West Indians, whatever their issues with African Americans ,they still recognize them and us Spanish speaking Black people as family. In other words African-American history is also Jamaican history and Haitian history. It is our story. African American heros are our heros. When they are discriminated against, we are too.
Alot of the spanish speaking and maybe Portuguese speaking negros don't feel that way.
Maybe thats why you had bad experiences with black americans. Maybe they know who you are from experience. Maybe they know better than to trust your backstabbing asses. You benefit from them when you come here and then you talk about them with your white countrymen behind their backs.
Ya'll must think that ya'll are so smart.
In the United States, especially New York , we see you coming from a mile away. We have seen all of you. From all over the world. All your games and tricks. We know how much you admire your masters.You have nothing new to say.
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written by A Brazilian, February 13, 2010
Such "family" ties are made up stories. You were born and raised in the US an have never been anywhere else. You don't know how other societies work.

That's the problem with obtuse African-Americans. Your dependence on some "group mentality" makes you weak.
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written by chicho, February 13, 2010
I lived in Puerto Rico, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, London ,Paris, and Honduras.I have been through all of Central America except for Panama, I speak three languages fluently. Additionally , I can communicate in two others. I have visited most countries in the Caribbean and I have spent extensive amounts of time in Cuba as well as Jamaica and the Dominican Republic.
But even if I never left NYC, I still would be exposed to more cultures and peoples, than you can imagine. I would still be able to appreciate different peoples and their cultures.
I have already heard your story.
Americans are strong. Especially African-Americans. Look what African-Americans fought against and where they are now.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Give me a freakin break!!!
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written by A Brazilian, February 13, 2010
Haha. The same way that speaking 4 languages, doing tourism and visiting São Paulo don't make me a "specialist" on anything, it also applies to you.

Visiting where "the gringos" go, taking pictures does not qualify you in any area. And by the little you talked so far, you know nothing.

Americans may be strong, but African-Americans are not. African-Americans are weak. You can't live your own life and be yourself. Always group mentality, always dependent on the state or on others. You are paranoid about what others are thinking of you all the time.

Where are you now? At the bottom of the American society, where any dirty immigrant can make a life? Statistically African-Americans are at the bottom, and that is in the richest country in the world where any dirty immigrant can do well.

And you are trying to brag about it. smilies/cheesy.gif Seriously?
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written by chicho, February 13, 2010
Who said that I was a specialist on anything?

What did I say that I was qualified in?

Maybe you and I see strong and weak differently.
During the time when legal aparthied existed in the United States, African Americans were able own their own Banks , Insurance companies, newspapers, radio stations, Car dealerships,etc. They created the black church and style of worship that has spread all over the world, in particular,Brazil.They started a movement of resistance that resulted in this country recognizing their rights as citizens. This same movement is used as an example for other struggling peoples worldwide.

Despite being under siege from day #1, African-Americans still resist and continue to stay true to their culture and identity and thrive.

But you sure are proud up there on your high horse talking about African-Americans being at the bottom of society.

I wonder what the heck you are from.
Are you a white brazilian? where are your ancestors from?
Are you a mestizo?
Are you Afro-Brazilian?
I would like to know because then I can better respond.
Why don't you share that?
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written by A Brazilian, February 13, 2010
This same movement is used as an example for other struggling peoples worldwide.


No, it is not. It is only in the US. This BS has to end.

And people survive anwyehere, especially in third world countries where nobody will look after them. What is special about African-Americans? You are living in the richest country on Earth? What else do you need?

The racist indoctrination you have gone through during your upbringing have severely hindered your ability to think for yourself.

- African-Americans dream about a world demarcated by "races", how is it called? Racism? Yes, that's what a racist would do;
- As if it wasn't bad enough, they are imperialistic. Because they think their way of seeing races is the only one right;
- Not only that, but there's a "race war" going on, and everybody needs to take "sides";
- Because they can't think outside of the box, good things that could be useful done by others aren't seen, and bad things that could be improved aren't fixed;
- Inidividuals aren't individuals, they believe they are the "race" and they owe something to something greater. That's what defined their lives and who they are;

I am Brazilian.
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written by chicho, February 13, 2010
This same movement is used as an example for other struggling peoples worldwide.

No, it is not. It is only in the US. This BS has to end




It is true.
The struggles that African-Americans went through in this country are inspiring Black People From Mexico all the way down to Argentina to resist the place that their societies have designated to them.

Of course people survive anywhere.Who said anything different. One difference is that in your country the fat-cats take it all and leave the poorest people in the desert with nothing. Cuba , which is nowhere near as rich as the POOREST state in Brazil , surpasses Brazil in life expectancy and has a way lower infant mortality than you do. Because your country , like most countries south of the Texas borders, the people that own all the resources are European. They wouldn't dream of giving the rest of you non-whites( if indeed you are a non-white) any piece of the pie. They tell you to cross the rio-grand and get it in the US. And of course , ya'll do come and reap the benefits of the struggles of African-Americans in this country. After you get the benefits you of course talk smack about them.
But yeah like I was saying , in developed countries, the social system gives assistance to those that need it.
In your country they ones that least need government help take it, and leave ya'll running across the rio grande.
By the way,have been surviving and resisting since day #1.

Everybody has their perspective on race. What is your problem with the way African-Americans view race.

Different people have their way of seeing women. Do you think that the way women are viewed in Afghanistan is acceptable? Do you think that the west should impose their standards for how women are on Afghani culture.
Why can't you accept that African-Americans have their own perspective on race that is different from yours.
In brazil , I can't believe the amount of Brazilians that never ever met a non-Brazilian. Seriously. Meanwhile , People in the US meet so many different people from different cultures, do you think that African Americans have no idea of the cultural differences on how race is percieved.

De que parte da rosa vc e?
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written by A Brazilian, February 14, 2010
It is true.
The struggles that African-Americans went through in this country are inspiring Black People From Mexico all the way down to Argentina to resist the place that their societies have designated to them.


No, it is not. Such "movements" are funded by Ford Foundation, among others, in order to establish an American political agenda in other countries.

It is imperialism done through politics. It is the left arm of the same beast. The army is the other arm.

Get your facts straight. In this very thread there's a link I pasted here earlier about the Ford Foundation.

African-Americans are delusional.

Everybody has their perspective on race. What is your problem with the way African-Americans view race.


That's the point. Nobody cares about it. What part of the author text didn't you understand?
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written by Andrade , February 14, 2010

The struggles that African-Americans went through in this country are inspiring Black People From Mexico all the way down to Argentina to resist the place that their societies have designated to them.


May be their message was lost on the Brazilian blacks, because they were communicating in Spanish?
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written by CUIDADO, February 15, 2010
Listen Black Americans are not like Black Brazilians, or Brazilians, in any way.
Black Americans have primitive desires for Brazil, they want to live a rap video, and a 3rd world country allows them to do this. (Exchange rate)

You think a Black American is going to read or research into the real Brazil? Claro que nao.
Black Americans don't even research their own country or ancestry. Like stated above, by another poster, Blacks are on the bottom in the easiest country to 'make it' and be successful.

If you ever had notions of white gringo tourists just being ignorant sex tourists, WATCH OUT for the Snoop Dogg and P-Diddy wannabes that are shipping out to Rio de Janeiro!

I feel bad for the cariocas that come across them. smilies/shocked.gif

The Cunning of Imperialist Reason
written by Brazuca, February 16, 2010
A Brazilian -- GOD BLESS YOU!

The well known French sociologists Pierre Bourdieu and Loic Wacquiant examined the nature of American imperialist reasoning in their incisive paper, "On the Cunning of Imperialist Reason." They critiqued the fact that the paticularism of the American historical experience is univerzalized and treated as normative. They write:

To turn to a domain closer to political realities, a debate such as that swirling around `race' and identity has given rise to similar, if more brutal, ethnocentric intrusions. A historical representation, born from the fact that the American tradition superimposes on an in®nitely more complex social reality a rigid dichotomy between whites and blacks, can even impose itself in countries where the operative principles of vision and division of ethnic differences, codi®ed or practical, are quite different and which, like Brazil, were until recently considered as counter-examples to the `American model'(according to the classic study by Degler, 1995). Carried out by Americans and by Latin Americans trained in the USA, most of the recent research on ethnoracial inequality in Brazil strives to prove that, contrary to the image that Brazilians have of their own nation, the country of the `three sad races'(indigenous peoples, blacks descended from slaves and whites issued from colonization and from the waves of European immigration) is no less `racist' than others and that Brazilian `whites' have nothing to envy their North American cousins on this score. Worse yet, Brazilian racismo mascarado should by de®nition be regarded as more perverse precisely on account of being dissimulated and denegated. This is the claim of Afro-American political scientist Michael Hanchard in Orpheus and Power (1994):9 by applying North American racial categories to the Brazilian situation, this book makes the particular history of the US Civil Rights Movement into the universal standard for the struggle of all groups oppressed on grounds of colour (or caste). Instead of dissecting the constitution of the Brazilian ethnoracial order according to its own logic, such inquiries are most often content to replace wholesale the national myth of `racial democracy' (as expressed for instance in the works of Gilberto Freire, e.g. 197smilies/cool.gif by the myth according to which all societies are `racist', including those within which `race' relations seem at ®rst sight to be less distant and hostile. From being an analytic tool, the concept of racism becomes a mere instrument of accusation; under the guise of science, it is the logic of the trial which asserts itself.

African American activists arrogantly marching into Brazil are merely carriers of American cultural imperialism, whether they realize it or not.
Link to Bourdieu and Wacquiant paper
written by Brazuca, February 16, 2010
Oops, forgot to add the link to Bourdieu and Wacquiant's paper:

http://sociology.berkeley.edu/faculty/wacquant/wacquant_pdf/CUNNINGIMPREASON.pdf
Divide and Rule
written by Brazuca, February 16, 2010
As to the ultimate agenda of the Ford Foundation, it ought to be kept in mind that the Ford Foundation funds, or funded, radical groups like the Black Panthers and La Raza. The reason? Divide and rule. The Ford Foundation (and other foundations like it) largely serve the role of keeping the masses weak and divided so that they never pose a threat to the ruling oligarchy. In a country like Brazil, the oligarchy barely bothers to hide its power and control, since the masses tend to be so docile. In a country like the US, where there is a massive and powerful middle class that would fight for its rights, the oligarchy's control must be practiced in a much more veiled and sophisticated manner. As Michael Lind has observed: "The American oligarchy spares no pains in promoting the belief that it does not exist, but the success of its disappearing act depends on equally strenuous efforts on the part of an American public anxious to believe in egalitarian fictions and unwilling to see what is hidden in plain sight."

Anyway, this "invisible" oligarchy got a bit of a scare during the 1960s when a broad-based movement was gathering pace against the war in Vietnam, and the likes of Martin Luther King, who sought to create and unite such a movement, posed a particular threat. So MLK had to be taken ought and this broad-based threatening movement broken up and divided. Radical groups like the Black Panthers needed to be funded in order to force the "whites" to recoil in fear and move away. The Ford Foundation continues to focus and dividing society into smaller and more fragmented identity groups, even to the extent of homosexual and transgendered groups.

Evidently the (Anglo-) American oligarchy sees a long-term threat in the rise of Brazil as a major power and so is investing in sowing the seeds of division early on. The Brazilian military and government have successfully countered and neutralized the British attempt to seize the natural wealth of the Amazon under the guise of protecting it on behalf of the world. The military has been sent into the Amazon in order to make clear Brazil's sovereign claim to it, and the government has created the Amazon Fund, in effect saying, "If you're so worried about the rainforest, then you're more than welcome to help pay for its upkeep -- but we'll retain sovereignty over the territory!" Ha-ha -- checkmate! smilies/cheesy.gif

But the attempt by foreign interests to divide the Brazilian people in order to weaken to them seems to have slipped under the radar of the Brazilian government, who seem happy to aid in the division and weakening of its own people. Obviously there are Brazilians resisting this, and its particularly encouraging to see thinkers with such piercing insight as that of Demetrio Magnoli seeing through the scam (see his excellent Uma gota de sangue: historia do pensamento racial), but the Ford Foundation has a lot of money, coming from the very rich and powerful (Anglo-) American oligarchy.

I've been thinking for a while of writing an article about this and publishing it on Brazzil. But the way the Anglo-American oligarchy maintains its power and control is very complex because subtle and hidden, and so requires a bit of preparation to be able to explain effectively.
Baratas e Formigas
written by adrianerik, February 20, 2010
Well Ana Paula, see what you have done. Threw crumbs all over the floor and turned out the lights and now the baratas and formigas are all over the place. There's not enough hands and feet to step on all of them.

Hmmm....let me see...Mister A BRAZILIAN...African Americans are too "group-oriented"? Not "individual" enough for your gosto? Like who? What world are you living in? White racists and the bulls**t of white supremacy which, for the benefit of Ana, is not AMERICA'S WHITE SUPREMACY, but BRAZIL'S WHITE SUPREMACY, also has its myths of "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" and the merits of the individual. A Brazilian, I would challenge you to show me, in America's growth in the last 100 years where "individualism" has been the key to success. Have you ever given even a superficial look at Urban Studies in America -- The Irish, The Polish, The Germans, The Italians -- I challenge you to show me where any study of the ascension of these groups attributes their rise to "individualism". You will find the opposite. Immigrant politics in America is the story of groups forming solid blocs, focusing exclusively on their interests, to the EXCLUSION of other groups. In cities such as Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago, the emerging power bosses such as "Boss Tweed" in New York exploited these tendencies to pit one group against another, rewarding them with exclusitity to city contracts (the police force to the Irish, roofing to the Italians, transport to another group, carpentry to another).

The biggest problem with African Americans is NOT their lack of individuality but that they, as an author once put it, were the only TRUE AMERICANS, who actually believed that waiting in line and depending upon their merits were the way to success in America.

You know....the way the "white people" did it.

Bulls**t!

I would suggest three books: THE JUNGLE, WHEN AND WHERE I ENTER and HOW THE IRISH BECAME WHITE. None of them were funded by Ford.

You are "book literate" in at least one of your four languages, aren't you.
Baratas e Formigas 2
written by adrianerik, February 20, 2010
Oh Mr Cuidado...I get the image that you are some "white pussy chaser" who is tired of people picking on you and now you need to point your finger at the "n****r pussy chasers". "Look at dem...wit dey hip hop self! Dey horrible!"

When you say that African Americans don't study Brazil, are you referring to the "n****r hip hop pussy chasers" in Rio?

Maybe not. I don't know. I have met numerous interchange groups and numerous professors, Harvard fellows, Vasser fellows, Stanford fellows, Princeton fellows, Temple Presidential awardees (you know, these are the smart n****rs - the best of the best): most of them very good in Portuguese and they contradict you.

But hey! Don't let a little facts get in the way of your emotional masturbation. About those n****r pussy chasers in Rio. Some are obnoxious. Truth to be told, I went to have breakfast one Sunday morning in Copa (how naive of me), all of the mofos there, black, white, Japanese, Paulistas, Gauchos (plenty of them) were all a but obnoxious. (but now, I'm being a bit righteous aren't I. And I ain't righteous).

But back to the "n****r pussy chasers". I talked to a few of them and know what might happen if cariocas ran into them: they might learn how to play a good game of chess (do you play chess?), from a good number of them they might learn how to grow a small business into a healthy enterprise (even some million dollar enterprises), some of them will hold a good discussion about inverted beats, back beats, triple rhythms,...you know...Jazz! A good number of them can hold a good discussion on social life in Europe and...Japan...in the language of several of those countries. Some of them can teach cariocas how to paint, others can teach cariocas how to better design their cars.

And some of them...are just hip hip bulls**tters from "round the way".

Now, let me tell you about some of the Belgians and Aussies and Israelis I've had the pleasure of meeting.

Nah....another time.
Formigas and Baratas 3
written by adrianerik, February 20, 2010
Hey Tutsi! Have you found some 'real life' to connect with your theories? Or are you still wearing the team colors, cheering from the sidelines?
About the Article
written by adrianerik, February 20, 2010
Ana...I thought for a long time whether I'd respond to your article here or personally. Still don't know.

Combined with your comments, it was a bit confusing: a pit personal, a bit academic and hints of some political stance that remains hazy.

YOu know, it is problematic when the work of an academic is tinged with the personal and/or a political stance. (For example, Noam Chomsky's political stance is clear, so many automatically question the academic integrity of his articles.) That doesn't have to be the case...I personally believe that people should have a politicl stance. What is that? Answers to the questions 1) Who am I (Who are we) 2) Where am I/We? 3) How did I/We get here? 4) Where should I/We be 5) How do I/We get to where I/We need to be.

The answers to those questions and your choice of prononus (singular or plural) outlines your political stance. It determines, to a degree, who you will call "brother and sister". It determines whether you support and want to strenghthen the status quo (conservative) or whether you want to make huge adjustments (liberal).

When I read your article, in the back of my mind I asked "Why was this written? What would she like to see? What does it advance?"

I don't know.

Here are some of my own observations about things you have mentioned.

1) Aside from Boa Morte, I question the impact of African American tourism in Bahia. It is a desire...a dream...based upon the mostly black women from the States, the Caribbean, Europe AND from other states in Brazil, who ressuicated the Boa Morte Festival

2) Most of the commercializing of Bahia is done by white tour agencies. We had a meeting a few years back to try to see where African Americans could help in this are and, out of 13 agencies contacted, 12 were white.

3) Aside from Jewell's book, can you explain how African Americans are suffocating (Black) Brazilian voices. I have seen the opposite. There area a numbers of African Educators who have gone out of their way to open up avenues for Black Brazilans to actualize their concerns.

I have met the chairmen of three latin american departments from universities in the States, and all of them prefer Brazilian voices to articulate their concerns.

4) Can you explain the term "Afro-Disney". Are you referring to Pelourinho (Salvadors Historic Center) or are you refering to the work of Brazilian activists being done in the other 95% of Salvador?

There is a virtual revolution of Afro-Brazilan students out of UFBA and UNEB, who have organized to counter the classism/racism there and who remain active in their various communities. Is this Afro-Disney? I don't know it that is an academic term with specifics that can be measured of what?

bjs
Hello Madman
written by Brazuca, February 20, 2010
Haha, I was wondering where you were. Maybe you'd finally decided to go back to Philly and stop making a nuisance of yourself. But, alas, it seems being a foundation-funded operative -- a dupe for oligarchical interests -- is just too much fun.

Sidelines? Mate, you inspired me. I'm HERE! Yay! smilies/cheesy.gif I've been in Rio for the last eight months -- the first three months of 2009 and then again since August 2009. I even met one of the people who post comments here -- Augustus. If A Brazilian lives in Rio, I'd love to meet him.

So, yeah, I've been here doing some informal sociological/anthropological study. A professor from UFF strongly suggested that I formalize this and do a Masters there, but alas, I didn't have enough time in the end to get the paperwork organized. Maybe next time.

Recently finished reading Demetrio Magnoli's Uma gota de sangue: historia do pensamento racial. Have you read it? The guy's brilliant. He's your worst nightmare. The only advantage you guys have lies in the deep pockets of the Ford Foundation, representing the oligarchical interests that are using the likes of you as useful idiots. But on our side lies logic and reason, not to mention common sense.

But you're completely unaware how you're being used, aren't you? You've always been used. They depend especially on excitable, animated types like you -- right from your days in the Black Panthers (did you know that the elite were funding you? ever stop to wonder why?) to today. You're a tool, a usefull idiot, cat's paw being mercilessly manipulated and directed to fulfil the malevolent ends of these powers that be.

But you're too lost in the cloud of your bizarre messianic complex to see that; too devoted to your catharsis of washing away the stains of IR655, by filling the hapless young of Bahia with American racism, to understand what's going on, what's the big picture.

Pity. You were apparently a competant engineer (and you seem impressed with this fact). But now you're simply a mad man, useful only to divide-and-rule manipulators.

By the way, was that you I caught sight of waiting to catch a bus outside Sao Conrado Fashion Mall, in the direction of Zona Sul, at about 1830? Have you grown a white goatee now? I remember wondering if that was you. See, I'm thinking of you. smilies/wink.gif

Beijo.
Hello Madman
written by Brazuca, February 20, 2010
Haha, I was wondering where you were. Maybe you'd finally decided to go back to Philly and stop making a nuisance of yourself. But, alas, it seems being a foundation-funded operative -- a dupe for oligarchical interests -- is just too much fun.

Sidelines? Mate, you inspired me. I'm HERE! Yay! smilies/cheesy.gif I've been in Rio for the last eight months -- the first three months of 2009 and then again since August 2009. I even met one of the people who post comments here -- Augustus. If A Brazilian lives in Rio, I'd love to meet him.

So, yeah, I've been here doing some informal sociological/anthropological study. A professor from UFF strongly suggested that I formalize this and do a Masters there, but alas, I didn't have enough time in the end to get the paperwork organized. Maybe next time.

Recently finished reading Demetrio Magnoli's Uma gota de sangue: historia do pensamento racial. Have you read it? The guy's brilliant. He's your worst nightmare. The only advantage you guys have lies in the deep pockets of the Ford Foundation, representing the oligarchical interests that are using the likes of you as useful idiots. But on our side lies logic and reason, not to mention common sense.

But you're completely unaware how you're being used, aren't you? You've always been used. They depend especially on excitable, animated types like you -- right from your days in the Black Panthers (did you know that the elite were funding you? ever stop to wonder why?) to today. You're a tool, a usefull idiot, cat's paw being mercilessly manipulated and directed to fulfil the malevolent ends of these powers that be.

But you're too lost in the cloud of your bizarre messianic complex to see that; too devoted to your catharsis of washing away the stains of IR655, by filling the hapless young of Bahia with American racism, to understand what's going on, what's the big picture.

Pity. You were apparently a competant engineer (and you seem impressed with this fact). But now you're simply a mad man, useful only to divide-and-rule manipulators.

By the way, was that you I caught sight of waiting to catch a bus outside Sao Conrado Fashion Mall, in the direction of Zona Sul, at about 1830? Have you grown a white goatee now? I remember wondering if that was you. See, I'm thinking of you. smilies/wink.gif

Beijo.
Hello Madman
written by Brazuca, February 20, 2010
Haha, I was wondering where you were. Maybe you'd finally decided to go back to Philly and stop making a nuisance of yourself. But, alas, it seems being a foundation-funded operative -- a dupe for oligarchical interests -- is just too much fun.

Sidelines? Mate, you inspired me. I'm HERE! Yay! smilies/cheesy.gif I've been in Rio for the last eight months -- the first three months of 2009 and then again since August 2009. I even met one of the people who post comments here -- Augustus. If A Brazilian lives in Rio, I'd love to meet him.

So, yeah, I've been here doing some informal sociological/anthropological study. A professor from UFF strongly suggested that I formalize this and do a Masters there, but alas, I didn't have enough time in the end to get the paperwork organized. Maybe next time.

Recently finished reading Demetrio Magnoli's Uma gota de sangue: historia do pensamento racial. Have you read it? The guy's brilliant. He's your worst nightmare. The only advantage you guys have lies in the deep pockets of the Ford Foundation, representing the oligarchical interests that are using the likes of you as useful idiots. But on our side lies logic and reason, not to mention common sense.

But you're completely unaware how you're being used, aren't you? You've always been used. They depend especially on excitable, animated types like you -- right from your days in the Black Panthers (did you know that the elite were funding you? ever stop to wonder why?) to today. You're a tool, a usefull idiot, cat's paw being mercilessly manipulated and directed to fulfil the malevolent ends of these powers that be.

But you're too lost in the cloud of your bizarre messianic complex to see that; too devoted to your catharsis of washing away the stains of IR655, by filling the hapless young of Bahia with American racism, to understand what's going on, what's the big picture.

Pity. You were apparently a competant engineer (and you seem impressed with this fact). But now you're simply a mad man, useful only to divide-and-rule manipulators.

By the way, was that you I caught sight of waiting to catch a bus outside Sao Conrado Fashion Mall, in the direction of Zona Sul, at about 1830? Have you grown a white goatee now? I remember wondering if that was you. See, I'm thinking of you. smilies/wink.gif

Beijo.
Where's the Money?
written by adrianerik, February 22, 2010
Please! Tell me where it is! I'll take it.

Parabens! Just be careful. Don't stand too close to the doors in Rio's clubs. Someone will ask you to open it for them.

I don't have to worry about "geographers" such as Demetrio. Legitimate ANTHROPOLOGISTS such as Kabenguele Munanga, who teach at the University of São Paulo are doing a magnificent job correcting his mistakes at entering the world of sociology and anthropology.

Interesting who decides to be an expert in Brazil. Ali Kamel, a REPORTER for the most of his life, writes NÃO SOMOS RACISTA, and his research(?) is justified on the basis of him having some preliminary degree in sociology some 35 years ago.

And now, you want me to read a...geographer!

So-called academics in Brasil rely on a certain mediocrity and/or political affinity and/or intelectual ineptitude in Brasil's media that won't rigorously rake through their ramblings.

So it goes....

By the way...never was a member of the Panthers. We were adversaries. (read things more carefully). I know them very well because, for what i had to do, there was a need to know their ideological foundations. And to this day, I still study the other side(s) and am probably more objective than anyone on this forum.

Objectivity!....ooooohhhh...that makes your skin crawl doesn't it?

And you want to write an academic piece???

Welcome to the playing field.
Engineers apparently best qualified to speak!
written by Brazuca, February 22, 2010
For goodness sake -- you're an ENGINEER!!!!!! Careful when you spit into the wind, mate!

And Magnoli's a HUMAN geographer. If you don't know what that involves, it's an interdisciplinary subject that combines with SOCIAL SCIENCE.

But as to those qualified to dismiss you wackjobs as foreign-funded loonies -- what about Yvonne Maggie and Peter Fry? They're fair dinkum sociologists from UFRJ. If an engineer's qualified to pontificate, then what about these well respected academics from UFRJ? Funny you forgot to mention them.

So you're not gonna read Magnoli's devastating book? Oh, well. Plenty of people have and are continuing to read it. I see it all the time prominently displayed in Saraiva and Livraria da Travessa, I believe amongst the bestsellers. Too bad for you guys.

As to being asked to open doors at clubs (not that I'm into all that clubbing stuff, being a fundamentalist 'n' all, remember), I wouldn't place an innocent assumption on class on the same level as apartheid and Jim Crow, the first lacking any malevolence while the second is based on the idea of racial superiority. In other words, I wouldn't place Brazil on the same level as countries like South Africa and the USA, for to do so would be absurd, displaying a complete lack of proportion. And besides, were someone to make such an innocent class assumption, once he realized it was a mistaken assumption, he would be apologetic. In the Jim Crow and apartheid context, the assumption would be correct and apologizing for a mistaken assumption wouldn't make any sense.

So why don't you stop being silly and make your way back to Philly, huh? Do you really think Brazil's like the USA? All the ovwerwhelming evidence staring you in the face -- you're just gonna blithely ignore that? Not interested in reality? Has that damned spot of IR655 washed off yet? Will the waters of Salvador do the trick? You're still scrubbing and it hasn't come off ... so maybe you should just head back to Philly, okay? Come along, now.
Vá se foder
written by adrianerik, February 22, 2010
You're kind of cute when you're raving and frothing at the mouth like that. If you were a woman, I would put a bag over your face and f**k you!

Look newbie, you're kinda new at this, why don't you get your feet wet. Actually, DO something and then we can talk about.

The anthropology professor at USP accused your boy of "intellectual masturbation". When I read that I laughed because I accused you of the same thing. Funny how the universe aligns itself.

Okay, let me leave the personl for a bit (I'm paying R$1.00 an hour and it ain't worth it).

Let me sum up what 99% of the motherf**kers on this forum have to say on this issue - WE AIN'T THE UNITED STATES.

Well, lawdy, lawdy, that and two cents won't bake a cake.

Umm...err...ummm...maybe we're "close" or "kinda like" or "brazilian racism" isn't like "american racism". (you said that)

So what! Who asked!

In all of your reductionist, minimalist views you feel a need to prove what ain't.

A perfect postion for motherf**kers who can't pee straight in the toilet let alone describe their social environment in a way that makes sense.

Oh...but this "we ain't america s**t plays well to the audience".

"Meu Deus...they are FOREIGN FUNDED!!! I knew it BECAUSE OUR n****rS DON'T HAVE THE BRAINS NOR INTELLECT NOR INCLINATION to determine their own futures.

DON'T LISTEN TO OUR n****rS!
EVEN THE EDUCATED ONES FROM UFBA! OR UNEB! OR EVEN THE GAUCHOS!

Cause if they disagree with use...they must be FOREIGN FUNDED...stirred up by them outsiders.

SO SAID THE AFRIKANERS!
SO SAID THE SOUTHERN RACISTS!
SO SAID THE BELGIANS!
SO SAID THE FRENCH!
SO SAID THE BRAZILIANS!

Our n****rs don't have the capacity to speak for themselves. They don't have the wherewithall to their own self-determination, to define their own social envirnment, to determine whether the social, political, religious powers that be are healthy for them.

Listen, bitch....you have never heard ME dictate what the issues in Bahia are.

That is a creation of your own convuluted soul. (and the fact that the Holy Spirit doesn't call you on your lies indicate to me that you are in the same lying camp with Pat Robertson, Rush (Viagra to Dominican Republic) and the rest of your ilk

Unlike the racist, patronizing motherf**kers on 95% of these forums a tenet I picked up from those horrible African Americans is to find out "what do the people have to say about themselves".

You guys have done everything possible to assassinate that voice.

But it ain't gonna happen. Boo"







Foundation-funded lunatic
written by Brazuca, February 22, 2010
You're completely insane!

But you're evidently of some use to some people ... who'll keep giving you money ... to continue ranting and raving and tearing Brazil apart.

Makes me wonder whether they've done the MK-ULTRA on you ... It'd certainly explain a lot!
The Lying Christian Fundamentalist!!!!!!
written by adrianerik, February 23, 2010
Me! Receiving money! This becomes your new lie! And like the fundamentalist in America who you imitate, you feel that a lie oft-repeated becomes true.

"You are of your father who is liar and the father of lies"

Quick! That1s a quote from the Bible. Referring to who (what)?

BUT....to be fair...tell me where this money is...I will accept it, every penny. C'mon, help a brother out, where do I apply?

s**t! Here, we have to sell donated shoes and clothing to pay for the lights and water. We had to trade in receipts to build a stage for our drama classes.

But what would you know about money, kiddo. You're a Tutsi from Uganda who has lived on Australian welfare for the last decade - the army, university.

You're still searching for a life.

Yesterday, you were the biggest defender of FOREIGN MONEY that funded right wing groups and installed dictators in Central and South America (as well as Trujillo in Dominican Republic and the Ton-Ton Macoutes in Haiti), TODAY, you spitting venom about the FOREIGN MONEY.

Wait a minute, what is the American quote, "we know that the dictators are sons-of-bitches, but at least they are OUR sons-of-bitches".

Okaaayyyyyy....

Yesterday, you quoted incessantly from your American heroes - the Anns and Limbaughs and Robertsons and Billy Crystals and now you quote French scholars about the dangers of Anglo subversion, which is represented by these very same racist, American right-wing nuts, (Pat Robertson, who supported Mobutu as he killed millions of Africans, Limbaugh, Crystal and the Fundamentalist posse of Bush who advocated for the invasion of Iraq and others). These buddies of yours, through the guise of pushing "judeo-christian" heritage (or the history of the white man) are in the forefront of this anglo conspiracy.

And now you are...against them?

I would have loved to hear you rationalization to Augustus on this.

Okay, buddy...your fifteen minutes of fame with me are up.

Got better things to do.

Hope that you find what you're looking for in Rio. Hope that you are able to look in the mirror and love what you see.

tchau
Find a shrink in Philly
written by Brazuca, February 23, 2010
Go back to Philly. You've lost it.
Busted!
written by adrianerik, February 24, 2010
I love it! When you're busted your posts get shorter and shorter. But here's some brotherly advice...make a life for yourSELF and stop riding in the wake of others. In your profile in the forums (before you took it down) you said that you wanted to be famous. To do that, take risks and get rid of your 'god complex'.
Even shorter post!
written by Brazuca, February 24, 2010
Take your meds!
Mitos racias
written by Brazuca, February 24, 2010
"A mestiçagem unifica os homens separados pelos mitos raciais. A mestiçagem reúne sociedades divididas pelas místicas raciais e grupos inimigos. A mestiçagem reorganiza nações comprometidas em sua unidade e em seus destinos democráticos pelas superstições sociais."

- Gilberto Freyre
...
written by chicho, February 25, 2010
Mixture or Massacre ?- Abdias do Nacimento
Apartheid is unBrazilian
written by Brazuca, February 25, 2010
Massacre na cama?!

I take it you're a segregationist.

Brazil is a mixed nation. It's not black and white here.

http://nacaomestica.org/

http://noracebr.blogspot.com/
Ana Paula
written by e harmony, March 02, 2010
Wow. You are an impressive person. You can write and articulate yourself in English and American English very well.

I found the short enumerated bits of your autobiography especially interesting. I'm sure there are numerous similarities between the U.S. and Brazil as there are with all nation-states of the earth, but that you regard yourself as a privileged Brazilian highlights, or at least suggests, a wide gap between the socio-economic cultures and possible lifestyles between the majority of people in both cultures.

I hope your internet article which expresses frustrations and personal feelings about Black-American tourists or their professionals employed there in Brazil, does not harm the friendship between Adrianerik and you and your husband. All three of you seem to be good people that want better for the disenfranchised in your respective societies if not the world. People can disagree - even passionately - without hating one another. I've learned from both your husband and Adrianerik over the years. Now I've learned a bit from you as well. But there are certain issues I will probably never agree with the three of you on.

But then that is ok. Even if I disagree with one or more persons on an issue does not mean I'm right. I might be wrong or I might be right. I've been wrong many times in life. Fortunately I've been right on certain things a good number of times too. So, we must have the courage to believe what we believe if we truly believe it, because there exists the potential that we are right.

I notice you and your husband seem to think very much in the fashion of your professions. I suppose that is normal. A medical doctor perhaps thinks like a medical doctor and a lawyer like a lawyer. Sometimes I wonder if one can think too narrowly in that way? Of course, the hardships of life has also informed your opinion. I was very saddened to read about your real or imagined treatment in the restaurants of Salvador. I will just assume they were not imagined.

You are correct that black Brazilians are not the same ethnicity as Black-Americans. Black Brazilians may not even be an ethnicity. And while certain lines between the two - and two respective nation-states - might run parallel historically, other lines run perpendicular. As a mulatto in the United States brought up in the nation's Heart Land and middle-class I invariably have privileges few mixed-race Brazilians have. So, in this sense we (mixed-race) are not the same.
Intelligent Minds can Disagree
written by adrianerik, March 08, 2010
Hey E...not to worry. The good thing about disagreeing with Ana on a forum is that I don´t have to worry about being stared down or having a shoe thrown at me. (just kidding).

Listen, what makes this complicated is that, in terms of nearly all of her observations, I DON´T DISAGREE! We perhaps disagree on the context of those observations. You know, Ana and the Maridão could have listed some really ugly confrontations that they have had with some MILL-LA-TENTS! Including some ugly personal name-calling. They are out there. I´ve had run-ins with `milliant adventurists´ in America (they like to threaten people -- I was threatened twice) and I´ve run into some of them in Brazil - two times.

And yes, there are tourists who think of Salvador as the ´Black Greece´. Actually, a friend of mine who teaches in Philly used that term. USED it. He´s changing his perspective.

And that´s the gist.

There is a legitimate social movement taking place in Brazil. I have nothing to do with it. It´s going to run its course and me, Brazuca and, unfortunately, many Brasilians, given their refusal to acknowledge the ground roots nature of this movement, will also have little to do with it, aside from reacting.

Just like the MANY African American movements, it is multi-layered, it spins and spirals and often clashes with each other.

Just like nearly every social movement in human history.

I´ve read as much of the articles on Peter Fry´s blog as I could, including pieces by Demetri and Yvonne (Peter and Yvonne are very good friends of Ana) and there seems to be this reluctance to acknowledge the capacity of what they call the UNORGANIZED POVO to independently define what is happening to them.

I think of any social movement as a current (as in a river current). They are many opportunists when they begin to see a social current and the potential reorganizing of power who simple ride on the surface of this current (like detris and logs and pieces of trash).

But even without the loudmouths and the ideologues...there still exists that current. People conversing, summing up their experiences and dreamng of solutions and taking concrete actions, locality by locality to change the course of their lives.

When I read the articles on Peter Fry´s blog and the comments, many of them are contradictory (of course, the blog is fed by many independent voices), and only one (I havent read all of them) seems to give any credence to what Brazilians are saying about themselves.
Racism...Racialism....
written by adrianerik, March 08, 2010
Somebody named Kauffman in one of the blog articles attempted to give some clarification to how racism is defined in Brazil.

There were several other articles where Brazilians, in my opinion, articulated what is a primary problem in Brazil...this thing of definitions. In that article, they took issue with Brazil´s law against racism (championed by many of the anti-cotistas), as being somewhat of a witch hunt of those who use what call INJURIOUS WORDS as opposed to RACISM.

Interestinly, I understand his point. When I see front page articles saying BRAZIL CONFRONTS RACISM, because some woman in a supermarket called someone PRETO SAFADO as blowing smoke on the persistence of racism in Brazils society.

Somewhat agreeing with Kauffman (she is anti-cotista, did I say that? But I liked the attempt at objectivity in her article), racism, as a cultural system, does not need governmental laws of exclusion to be racism. Racism, echoing the words of Haile Selassie to the United Nations, is the belief that one race is SUPERIOR and another INFERIOR. Racism does not have to accompanied with dogs and whips and murder and lynchings to be a virulent racism. Actually, those methods usually highlight the failure of racism...the failure of the INFERIORS to stay in their place. If INFERIORS stay in their place, such as the recently freed black people in MAURITANIA (they ended racism of Arabs of black people in the 70s, I believe but it is still culturally enforced), then there is no need for dogs and guns.

One of the weaknesses of Ali Kamels book (among many) is, as a reporter in the media, to not understand how IMAGE-MAKING and IMAGE CONTROL, are an essential component of the evolution of racism. (He chose to focus on the non-existence of biological race as some proof that racism does not/can not exist in Brasil.

The spin on Human History is tied to images. So does Gods ´choices´ on who he chooses as leaders, so does the media choices on who are heroes, who are lovers, who are builders and who are hewers of wood and carriers of water.

Is there intelligence and love and drama and creativity and intrigue within an ALL BLACK CONTEXT? An ALL INDIAN CONTEXT? Not focusing on color, mind you...but on what Yvonne Maggie says...WE ARE ALL BRAZILIANS OR WE ARE ALL JUST HUMAN BEINGS.

Or does this not affect Brazilians? They are not as ´petty´ as African Americans to want to see, not just a token taken out of the family and community context that raised them, but a human portrayal of their familiy and their surroundings, aside from the bang-bang and dead bodies of SE LIGA BOCAO and ALERT GERAL and the other Brazilian television shows that market dead black bodies to the public.

I watched one show last week where they raided a party in Boca do Rio I(thats where I live) and it was advertised as another TRAFICANTE PARTY. As proof of criminality, the hosts said JUST LOOK AT THEM! And the camera pans over the male and female black youths at the party. All of them swore it was just a birthday party. (I know these kids, it was only a regular party. The police only found a small amount of marijuana. Yes, SOME of the kids came with their stash. (if they raided any of the student parties at the Federal University of Bahia they would find much more -- this I know for a fact). Yet, the images of those kids are still being show as examples of TRAFICANTES on televisions. Because....JUST LOOK AT THEM!

You don´t need dogs and guns and ropes to create a society based on a color hierarchy of white and/or the ´white way´ being the epitome of virtue and achievement and black and/or the ´black way´ being the depths of depravity...unless we(?) choose to accept you.

I think that Brazilians should listen to other Brazilians. They are not the DISORGANIZED POVO being led around by these nasty Ford funded ONGS that one might think.
Two Reais!
written by adrianerik, March 08, 2010
That is why I dont have time for these forums. I just spent two reais in this Lan House.
Quit tilting at windmills and seek some help -- I mean this
written by Brazuca, March 11, 2010
YOU'RE NUTS! You're absolutely insistent, no matter what, to see the racism you want to see! Absolutely amazing! The police make that raid in Bahia (yeah, I saw the footage), and you complain that all the drug consumers are "black". IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, MOST OF THE POPULATION IN THAT PART OF BRAZIL LOOKS LIKE THAT!!!!!!! Heck, did you bother to take a look at the cops as well? I didn't see a single Aryan amongst them -- all pardos or pretos. You've convinced yourself about what you wanna believe and no amount of patient reasoning, no amount of pointing to the clear reality around you, will apparently do any good. You have underlying issues which you are taking out on Brazil. IR655 has messed up with your mind forever and this is your weird form of catharsis. Hey, look on the bright side. The Aegis system is apparently very good now. The bugs have been ironed out. Stuff ups always happen in the development of such systems. I don't think you're really to blame (unless the fault lay particularly and exclusively with you). So come on, now. Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off. Why don't you head back to Philly, now, OK? It was never your fault. Get some counselling, man -- there's nothing to be ashamed of in that. Go back to engineering. Show dem Americans what a good engineer a n****r can make, huh! Way to go! America is the society, after all, where miscegenation is still taboo, even if it's no longer illegal. You're really wasting your activist zeal in a country characterized by 500 years of miscegenation. America is where you're needed, man -- not Brazil. Go back and make a difference for your real bruvvas! As the US dollar collapses, the powers that be will seek to flame the divisions they have be so assiduously cultivating over the years so that people's anger can be directed at each other rather than at them. There'll likely be race conflict. Man, your time's wasted in Brazil, forever searching with your magnifying glass for all the racism see. Yanky, go home. Go home now. It was never your fault.
Yawn!
written by adrianerik, March 11, 2010
Ummm...err..are you talking to me or are you grinning and shuffling for massa. I liked you better when you posted reams of Bible verses. Go back to that.

Haven't changed much in 4 years have you.

Let's see. Most of the Africans killed in South Africa were killed by BLACK South African troops.

THEREFORE....(according to the logic of a*****es and welfare Aussies)...apartheid never existed.

Wow! What a revelation. Write something about it. You'll finally be famous.

Listen, go watch some more television and 'educate' yourself. I'll respond to some of the errors on Peter Fry's blog. Ms Kaufmann just made a biggie. Why fuss with a fan in the last row when you get on the field with the big boys.

Tchau chump!

Oh...let me try to be nice.

Have a nice day, sir. May the peace and blessings of the Most High illuminate your paths in your darkest hours.

(Hey...that wasn't so bad)
Apply a triage
written by Brazuca, March 11, 2010
I honestly have never been able to figure out what you think you're doing in Brazil. Have you ever thought of applying a triage? Think of it. Which was worse regarding racism -- South Africa or Brazil. Then go to South Africa! Again, which was worse regarding racism -- the US or Brazil? THEN GO BACK TO THE USA, YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!

If you answered Brazil to any of the questions, then it just shows how much of a flight from reality you're determined to take. You obviously can't be taken seriously -- except by other unfortunate souls equally determined to dismiss reality as an irrelevancy.

Do you like being a dupe to oligarchical interests -- a cheerleader for divide-and-rule? In a variation of what that American soldier in Vietnam said, your mantra seems to be, "We have to destroy Brazil in order to 'save' it"! God help us! (There -- I mentioned God!)

Hey, let's see if Demetrio can help bring you back to reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9TRFZ-VzLA
Yawn!
written by adrianerik, March 12, 2010
I'm enjoying the beach!

Nice way to avoid your error!

Yawn!

Think I'll have a juice.

(Me desculpa Ana por desviando de seus assuntos. Volto já já)
sorry i missed this adrian
written by asp, March 17, 2010
go adrian, missed this debate on here, dont know how...but, well needed posts from you
sorry i missed this adrian
written by asp, March 17, 2010
go adrian, missed this debate on here, dont know how...but, well needed posts from you
I Like The Article
written by ThatBlackAmericanGuy, August 08, 2010
Preparing for my first trip to Brazil/Salvador and doing my research, came across this and found it interesting. Academic opinion can be biting but it is as necessary as the opinion of the "(wo)man on the street", we are all smarter and richer from listening to the formally educated and the street educated on equal terms. What we choose to believe is up to us but listening and learning is the privilege world travelers earn. All I read in this article is a very smart person asking to be accepted on the terms of their existence. Adding all the imperialistic stuff kinda makes me laugh because it is the first time I can remember an African-American being upgraded from urban thug to international imperialist...unless you're Powell or Obama.

I'm coming to Brazil to learn how to cook; will I do a little social work? Probably...gotta a MPA and I'm interested in helping people. Will I have sex? Yep but probably with one woman and I will take a significant amount of time before doing so. I'm not that special, that rich, or that complicated not to allow myself to enjoy people and be helpful when possible.

-ThatBlackAmericanGuy
...
written by Sun, January 23, 2012
This article sounds like it was written from some jealous, angry person thats mad at Black Americans for some reason. Rather a Black person comes for sex or hertiage tourism, so what? There are plenty of White men and White women who come to Brazil for sex but yet they do t get judged, critized or called "imperalist" for it so why do Black Americans do? And I dont see anything wrong with Black Americans connecting to some of the African culture in Brazil. Im a Pan Africanist who believes in Black Unity and everyone else has no problem uniting but Black people because were too busy thinking were more superior than others. Whites can get together no matter what their ethinicity is as you can see they cal themseleves the EU and their countries are borderless and they dont care if an Italian American connects to Italy, but for some reason, everybody gets upset and angry when Black Americans try to connect to their roots in Africa. smh. But, idk what it is but as I said before, this person sounds jealous and angry that Black Americans fought for their rights and made something out of ourseleves and that we live in the richest country in the world. I have no idea. And another thing, if I wanted to find something about my African roots, I could just go to West/Central Africa and look there not Brazil

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