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One Year Is Gone. Will Obama Still Deliver on Latin America and Brazil? PDF Print E-mail
2010 - January 2010
Written by Guy Hursthouse and Tomás Ayuso   
Thursday, 28 January 2010 21:30

President Barack ObamaBarack Obama assumed the presidency twelve months ago amidst "strained hemispheric relations." Productive cooperation on a variety of shared regional concerns had been all but ignored by a Bush administration completely distracted by the Iraqi War and in favor of an approach characterized by confrontation, diplomatic bullying, and the continued pursuit of policies detrimental to the interests of both Latin America and the United States.

Apparently recognizing this, Obama brought with him a promise to begin a "new chapter in the story of the Americas," in which the U.S. leader would follow an inclusive and relevant approach to regional diplomacy, coupled with a pledge to begin "matching rhetoric with deeds."

Writing as Obama took up office, we called on the new administration to make good on these foundations and implement a program of change which would not only reverse eight years of failed initiatives under Bush, but also manage to address a series of new political and economic tasks that would have a positive impact on the hemisphere.

However, as the presidential campaign wore on, Obama's own position on a number of key issues became disturbingly contradictory. He recognized "nearly 50 years of failure" on Cuba, while pledging to continue "holding back ... relaxation of the trade embargo" until certain preconditions were met.

He supported continued provision of U.S. military aid under Plan Colombia despite its failed militarization of the War on Drugs, while ostensibly refusing to back Bush's free trade agreement with Colombia because of the violent effects of that militarization. He also called for diplomatic engagement with Venezuela, only to sharply criticize its President, Hugo Chávez, for "[interrupting] progress in the region."

The Honduran Crisis

Honduran President Manuel Zelaya was ousted from power by the country's armed forces by order of the Honduran Supreme Court on June 28, 2009, in what Roberto Micheletti, who as acting President of the National Congress temporarily assumed the presidency, claimed was a move designed to preserve the country's democracy.

The symptoms of Zelaya's approaching ejection had been noticeable for months, as the Honduran president clashed relentlessly with the other branches of government over his alleged illegal ambitions. This scuffling went unperceived by the Obama Administration and other foreign actors, even though just three weeks prior to the culmination of the country's institutional volatility, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in San Pedro Sula for an OAS meeting.

Obama joined the rest of the world in condemning Zelaya's ousting as an illegal coup, but the administration's line on Honduras since then has been rather muddied. On the one hand it has remained consistent: no amount of semantic athleticism will change the fact that it was a coup, and that Zelaya would remains the democratically elected leader of Honduras until his term ended on January 27, 2010.

However, instead of recalcitrantly breaking off all ties with Honduras, like Venezuela and Argentina did, or blocking trade in the manner of Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua, the U.S. afforded itself the ability to be flexible in its approach by viewing the coup as a longer event than simply a single flashpoint.

While countries usually critical of U.S. interventionism urged for more pressure from Washington, and a pitch that did not yaw, Obama was eager to avoid parallels with deeply unpopular past misadventures, especially since a few months prior to the coup he had declared the era of U.S. unilateralism in Latin America to be over. Perhaps hoping for the crisis to work itself out without any U.S. intrusion, Washington looked towards the highly pliable and unusually unrealistic Costa Rican President Oscar Arias to mediate and find a Central American solution to a Central American problem.

However, the already dubious San Jose Accord, which sought to reinstate a powerless version of Zelaya and end the crisis in a peaceful manner, was promptly rejected by both Zelaya and Micheletti. Consequently, the U.S., the only country with any real leverage over Honduras, began to episodically freeze aid and suspend most visas for members of Micheletti's cabinet, while continuing to maintain its insistence on the reinstatement of Zelaya, until the deposed president surreptitiously reentered the country in September, and holed up in the Brazilian embassy, perhaps happy to call Washington's bluff.

The impasse caused by the obstinate personalities of both Zelaya and Micheletti, a Janus-minded OAS, and an unfocused Washington, dragged on until a few weeks before the November 29 elections, when the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Tom Shannon was sent to the country to broker an agreement.

Nary a day after landing in Tegucigalpa, it was ultimately a diplomat from Washington and not San Jose or Brasilia who managed to force a deal out of Micheletti. The highly controversial elections - boycotted by the usual contingent of observers but declared by the U.S. to be fair and transparent - resulted in Porfirio Lobo Sosa's election.

The administration's ambivalence towards Micheletti and his coup regime, and its ultimate recognition of the elections, has caused many to see Obama as an echo of past imperial presidencies. However, not all the blame can be placed on the U.S.; Arias, Shannon and OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza all aired their concern during the crisis about a lack of political will to move forward.

Micheletti's defiant comments even against the U.S. and Costa Rica, as well as against Venezuela made it easy to see who was culpable in that respect. Micheletti's obstinacy and caudillo-style leadership were hardly conducive to any productive diplomacy or conciliation of Zelaya; indeed, he ultimately reneged on even the agreement he signed with Shannon.

It is apparent that few outside of Honduras saw the coup coming, and this is certainly true of the Obama Administration. Nevertheless, its handling of the crisis was more considered than could be expected from past US governments. However, Obama's supposed embrace of partnership and cooperation in Latin America hit a bottleneck with the crisis presented by his wavering over Honduras; he will need to work harder over time to convince the region of his dedication to this policy, and demonstrate that he possesses principles and the wisdom to use them.

Colombia: Status Quo Prevails

The other significant development in U.S.-Latin American relations during 2009 merely increased regional suspicion of the new administration in Washington. Dictated by the framework of the War on Terror, Washington's approach to Colombia under President Bush was simple: prioritize affording it the military assistance deemed necessary to fight the guerrilla insurgency and the problems related to narcotics production, and couple this with the pursuit of a free trade agreement.

In theory this would lead to the bolstering of a strategic geopolitical foothold for the U.S. in an otherwise hostile South America. Despite bringing a more tolerant and relaxed rhetoric and attitude to the White House, Obama, much to his discredit, has appropriated wholesale this myopic and simplified approach in his own policy towards Colombia, which now bears little resemblance to the position he held as a principled senator.

In October, Obama boosted a military approach towards drug interdiction which has largely failed to quell overall violence or lower drug production, and has seen millions displaced, by signing a new deal on the U.S. use of Colombian air bases, and, in doing so, angered virtually every South American government.

Regional alarm was justified by the secrecy of the bilateral negotiations that produced the agreement, along with U.S. Air Force comments - undermining the official line that the bases will be used solely for internal operations - that the deal "provides a unique opportunity for full spectrum operations in a critical sub-region of our hemisphere where security and stability is under constant threat from narcotics-funded insurgencies, anti-US governments, endemic poverty and recurring natural disasters."

It is additionally worth noting that the U.S. military designated the principal base in question, Palanquero, as off-limits for aid after 17 civilians were killed in a 1998 bombing carried out by troops stationed there, and only resumed such assistance in April 2008.

Moreover, having opposed Bush's U.S.-Colombian Free Trade Agreement (FTA) during his campaign when he expressed concerns about Colombia's record on anti-labor union violence, as president, Obama has since reversed his position. "I commended President Uribe on the progress that has been made on human rights in Colombia and dealing with the killings of labor leaders there," he said after meeting the Colombian leader at the White House in June. Subsequently, in September, the Obama Administration okayed the State Department's annual certification of Colombia on human rights in order to facilitate continued military assistance.

The administration has seemingly turned a blind eye to the human rights situation in Colombia in order to justify its policies. After reaching a low under Uribe in 2007, killings of trade unionists rose by 25 percent in 2008, to 49. Colombia's connected problem of impunity means that convictions in cases of anti-union attacks are virtually unheard of there.

The Justice and Peace process continues under siege in the country, with right-wing paramilitary groups resurgent following Uribe's ineffective demilitarization program. The country's security service (DAS) was implicated last February in an illegal wiretapping scandal which involved some key pro-government politicians, and the military stands accused of "False Positives" practices, whereby soldiers murdered innocent civilians in order to meet targets for killing guerrilla insurgents.

U.S. and Colombian relations with Hugo Chávez's Venezuela were those most restively affected by the base agreement, which witnessed Chávez mobilizing his armed forces along the Colombian border and introducing a still-existing trade embargo. Rhetoric between Washington and Caracas has retained its vacillating nature, with Secretary of State Clinton saying before relations soured in the wake of the air base deal,

"The prior administration tried to isolate [hostile governments], tried to support opposition to them, tried to ... turn them into international pariahs. It didn't work." On January 17, 2010, a week after his administration apparently changed its tone by meeting with U.S. embassy officials to discuss Venezuelan spying claims, Chávez said, "it's possible that there could be an easing of tensions."

The "hostile rhetorical shots" may have diminished, but they have been succeeded by equally worrisome actions. By continuing to pursue a free trade agreement with Bogotá, and continuing to advance the largely ineffective Plan Colombia in spite of the convincing body of evidence against President Uribe's credentials as a defender of human rights, and in the face of the concerns of virtually every South American government, President Obama has seriously damaged his claims to be bringing "change" to U.S.-Latin American relations.

Guantánamo & Cuba

On January 22, 2009, two days after his inauguration, President Obama ordered the U.S. detention center at Guantánamo Bay to be closed "no later than one year from now." As events transpired, Obama proved unable to deliver on even this most modest of promises, admitting on November 18 that his deadline for the prisoners' departure would not be met. It will now likely be 2011 at the earliest before the administration has secured and equipped a new facility in Illinois to house the remaining detainees.

This lamentable disappointment has left only one significant change in U.S. policy towards Cuba under the Obama Administration. The president announced in April that U.S. citizens would be granted the right of unlimited travel to the island in order to see relatives, rather than being restricted to one visit every three years as they were under Bush, while simultaneously lifting the $300-per-quarter cap on remittances.

Common to both of these flagship Cuba policies is the fact that they simply rescind measures put in place by President Bush's executive decrees. The centerpiece policy positions - restrictions on travel for most Americans, the decades-old trade embargo, and de facto occupation of the land at Guantánamo Bay - all remain in effect, despite Obama's laudable assertion several years ago that the embargo, having "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro," should be lifted.

Bilateral discussions about immigration last July, talks in Havana on September 17 over the reinstatement of a direct postal service, and recent cooperation over the use of Cuban airspace for aid delivery in the wake of the January 12 Haitian earthquake, are all to be viewed as constructive steps. However, progress has slowed as a result of various recent developments, including the December 4 arrest of a U.S. contractor in Havana on espionage charges, and Washington placing Cuba on a list of states deemed by it to pose a "security risk" in the aftermath of the foiled Christmas Day airline bombing.

Were he seriously inclined to pursue "change" in this country's relations with Cuba, Obama could do worse than begin by backing the efforts of the House Democrats who have considerable backing for a bill which would end the ban on travel to Cuba for all U.S. citizens, before addressing the formidable barrier to change posed by the Helms-Burton Act. However, it would appear that the president's appetite for change has vanished. Obama continues to demand preconditions from Cuba on human rights issues - notably some action regarding its political prisoners - as a preliminary step toward any further meaningful relaxation of U.S. sanctions.

The case of Cuba provides an excellent illustration of the nature of Obama's approach towards wider Latin American ties with this country. Rhetoric has somewhat softened, and diplomacy has become more accommodating and less paranoid. At the same time, though, significant policy change has not been forthcoming. This will likely continue to be the case for as long as the Obama White House ignores history and maintains the failed approach of enforcing preconditions for lifting its trade embargo which will continue to be refused by Havana.

Drug War: Mexico Bleeds

Drug-related violence in Mexico reached new peaks during 2009, with a staggering 7,800 homicides reported there, bringing to more than 16,000 the number of deaths that have been caused since President Felipe Calderon's anti-trafficking offensive began in 2007. However, one of the unforeseen consequences of Mexico's attempts to purge the major cartels and criminal gangs from its territory has been an increase in common crime across Central America.

Over the last year, most notably in Honduras and Guatemala, domestically-organized crime syndicates serving as proxies for Mexican cartels have openly targeted their home governments and their security forces.

The Honduran head of anti-drug trafficking operations, General Julian Aristides Gonzalez, was gunned down in Tegucigalpa in December after seizing several large compounds thought to be owned by the Sinaloa cartel. During the past year, Honduras has also earned the dubious distinction of having one of the highest murder rates in the world, at 53 murders per 100,000 inhabitants.

Owing to its proximity to Mexico and the attraction offered to gangs of its environment of impunity and corruption, Guatemala has not fared much better. Most troubling has been the persistent intimidation carried out by the Zetas, the erstwhile armed wing of the Gulf Cartel, which is now a criminal enterprise in its own right. In March, its members threatened President Colom's life after he denounced their infiltration of the Guatemalan government and security apparatus.

One of the most significant stories at the time of Obama's inauguration, the drug war in Mexico and Central America has since been relegated to the back burner. Aid assigned to Mexico City under the terms of the Merida Initiative, the controversial U.S.-sponsored security pact intended to stem the influence of drug trafficking organizations in Mexico and Central America, has yet to materialize; to date, only 3 percent of the allotted $1.4 billion has been released.

Secretary of State Clinton has argued that complications delaying the disbursement of funds are costing lives in the region. However, as Plan Colombia already has proved, the militarization of what essentially should be a domestic US health issue is now being viewed as a highly ineffective approach. Indeed, Calderon's military offensive has failed to end the cycle of violence which has gripped his country since 2007.

High profile victories by the state against the cartels, such as the killing of Arturo Beltrán Leyva, and the arrests of Teodoro Garcia and Carlos Beltrán Leyva, have continued to be routinely followed by acts of even more violent reprisal and intimidation, and violent struggles are reflected in the brutal power vacuums they leave. Despite the optimistic claims of the U.S. and Mexican governments, the Washington-backed drug war in Mexico is in no way reducing the strength, capability or brazenness of drug trade organizations.

Early in 2009, former Presidents Fernando Henrique Cardoso of Brazil, Ernesto Zedillo of Mexico and Cesar Gaviria of Colombia issued a plea to President Obama urging him to reconsider the present direction of the failing U.S.-led "drug war." States across the United States are legalizing medicinal marijuana, a considerable leap considering the draconian laws that existed over the past three decades, but stopping far short of decriminalizing or even legalizing general consumption.

But while the various movements towards liberalizing drug consumption policies have also gained momentum in Mexico, Argentina and even Colombia, as long as the Obama Administration ignores such pleas and continues to target the vast majority of its resources at stemming the supply from abroad, the northbound traffic of narcotics will persist.

Indomitable Brazil

Much like the rest of Latin America's engagement with Washington during 2009, the story of Brazil's rapport with the U.S., at the dawn of Barack Obama and coinciding with the twilight of Lula da Silva, has taken place in two acts, with the coup in Honduras representing the pivotal event.

Prior to June 28, the leaders built on former President Bush's efforts to establish a strong, if shallow relationship between Brasilia and Washington. However, the institutional explosion witnessed in Honduras was the first in a series of notable ruptures between the governments, culminating with Lula referring to Obama as a "disappointment."

Nevertheless, Lula is in the last year of his final term, and as sure as Brazil's global profile will continue to rise after he steps down, the Obama Administration's multipolar worldview must include the South American giant.

Brazil's intentions to become, if it is not already, a truly non-aligned superpower which can wield great influence on climate change negotiations, vie for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, seek to protect democracy in its sphere of influence and inject itself into the Middle East peace process, have been made perfectly clear in 2009.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's controversial state visit in November rubbed Washington the wrong way, but it is this very relationship of mutual respect, despite some divergent interests, that President Obama should seek out with Brazil. Natural allies who in fact share many common concerns, the U.S. and Brazil have developed what could be the beginnings of a resilient rapport that can be expected to weather occasional differences and disagreements.

After a few tense months of public verbal sparring (and sometimes worse) regarding the Honduran crisis, the Colombian base controversy and the Ahmadinejad visit, President Obama has proposed to President Lula a joint U.S.-Canadian-Brazilian task force to provide aid, relief, security and rebuilding efforts in the wake of the recent devastation in Haiti.

Brazil's existing peacekeeping enclave in that nation combined with about 20,000 US troops who will be deployed to the island will certainly prove invaluable. Despite their sporadic differences, the natural partnership between both countries ought to be further encouraged by their respective governments and should remain a high priority for Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Arturo Valenzuela and Obama's agenda for the region.

Assembling a Staff

Regarding personnel, the absence of key officials proved the biggest impediment to sound regional policy over the past twelve months, as Republican Senator Jim DeMint, unhappy with Obama's Honduras policy, blocked the confirmation of Valenzuela until November.

The Georgetown professor eventually joined Obama's other Latin America appointees; Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Western Hemisphere Affairs, Frank Mora, and Dan Restrepo, the director of Western Hemisphere affairs at the National Security Council. Valenzuela aside, some of the remaining figures are an unknown quantity, but taken as a team, their record up to now has been far from compelling.

Once confirmed, we celebrated Valenzuela's considerable experience of Latin American affairs, and his welcome pragmatic style that appears to fit Obama's measured diplomatic approach to the region. Nevertheless, Valenzuela, one of the authors of Plan Colombia under President Clinton, hardly seems the person to offer an alternative approach to that, and other failed policies of the Clinton and Bush administrations.

Moreover, during his first official visit to the region in December, Valenzuela reportedly riled the Argentine government with comments about the country's unpaid debts, a concern of vulture funds, but few others. According to El País, Valenzuela spent the majority of his time meeting opposition leaders, before talking to journalists about North American companies' "worry" over the country's "legal insecurity."

In keeping with the administration's overall approach, Secretary of State Clinton's tone has fluctuated between the status quo hard line and one of accommodating tolerance. Despite making comments that suggest an improvement in relations between the U.S. and its critics in the region, she subsequently has proffered advice - for example, that doing business with Iran is "a really bad idea" - which will have been wholly unwelcome.

Over the past year, Trade Representative Ron Kirk has buttressed his free trade credentials, unsurprisingly praising the Uribe government's "remarkable progress" on anti-union violence. Moreover, the administration has lost its valuable White House counsel Greg Craig, lauded by us last year as an inspired appointment, after recriminations over the lack of progress on Guantánamo, and the special envoy for the region Obama promised to appoint during his campaign has failed to materialize.

In spite of its apparent unwillingness to make bold policy changes, and its readiness to continue fractured relations with many of the region's governments inherited from Bush, the new administration appears to still retain a considerable measure of goodwill among the Latin American public.

A poll conducted by Gallup between July and September found that 51 and 61 percent of respondents approved of the U.S. leadership and president's performances respectively. Moreover, 71 percent of respondents to the annual Latinobarómetro poll were happy with Obama.

By predominantly appointing Clinton administration veterans, Obama has ensured that his administration's approach to Latin America will, in policy terms, adhere almost entirely to an inherited status quo. While a full compliment of Obama appointees may well bring more coherence, Valenzuela's ill-timed Argentine gaffe hardly suggests a promising future, and Obama's public support will likely subside as disillusionment takes hold over a program that posits few surprises.

Change Meets Intransigence

The indications that Barack Obama's campaign trail contradictions and the administration appointments made both before and after his inauguration concerning the likely direction of his Western Hemisphere policy, were sufficient to instill concern among well informed policy groups and academic circles at the time, and those worries will not have subsided.

Over the past twelve months, a pattern has emerged whereby the Obama Administration's rhetoric on U.S.-Latin American relations has been belied by the limited actions the president has to date been interested in taking.

While it ultimately failed to realize the aim of a multilateral solution to the crisis in Honduras, and in doing so invoked widespread criticism of its approach towards hemispheric affairs, the Obama Administration at least showed a willingness to sidestep unilateralism, only forced into single-handedly brokering a deal as a last resort.

Since then, the administration's dealings with Brazil at least have proved that a good working relationship with Washington no longer has to be predicated on slavish adherence to the White House's world view. Under Bush, President Lula's recent engagement with Iran would almost certainly have seen Brasilia shunned, but Obama's subsequent cooperation with the Brazilian leader has provided evidence of change and maturity in that respect. In a similar vein, the Obama Administration has succeeded in toning down much of the belligerent rhetoric aimed at Hugo Chávez under Bush.

Nevertheless, when one looks at the administration's concrete policy actions to date, it is clear that the status quo continues to prevail. Shortly after Obama called for "a new era of engagement" in a speech at the UN in September, Hugo Chávez remarked astutely, "Sometimes one gets the sensation that there are two Obamas. One, who gave the speech, is good. The other makes decisions that are contradictory to his speech." Indeed, rhetoric and diplomacy are only one side of the coin.

It is telling that Obama's most significant policy measure up to now has been to sign a highly controversial military agreement with Colombia, signaling an intention to continue pursuing the same militarized approach to the War on Drugs which failed to yield significant results in reducing coca cultivation under Clinton or Bush. Higher up on the distribution chain, the Mexican anti-drug offensive is entering its third year with no end in sight.

The Merida Initiative, which, most likely, will not quell the violence, has yet to take off. Obama and members of his cabinet have begun to draw down their War on Drugs rhetoric, while simultaneously challenging the U.S.- supported structures that end up underpinning the Mexican cartels. These are but small steps in the right direction towards finally shelving the War for good, but the bottom line remains that until the U.S. addresses its own addiction problems, peace will not emerge in any of the countries caught in the corridors of drug trafficking.

In the meantime, the continued militarization of the drug war, coupled with an about-turn in favor of the U.S.-Colombian FTA, demonstrates that strategic geopolitical concerns remain at the forefront of Washington's collective thinking, to the detriment of the thousands of Colombian victims of human rights abuses, the millions of displaced in that country, and the thousands of dead in Central America. This represents a snub of fellow regional governments, despite the administration's rhetoric of diplomacy and concern.

The status quo approach to Cuba also has persisted under Obama, where despite reversing some of Bush's more damaging exercises, he has failed to push further, insisting on reciprocal action from Havana, an approach which has failed U.S. policy makers for almost 50 years.

Looking ahead, Obama is beginning his second year as president with a new hemispheric issue to contend with. The earthquake which devastated Haiti on January 12 drew swift pledges of financial aid and troops from Washington, but at the time of writing, recriminations are flying regarding the chaotic nature of the relief efforts. While it is too soon to judge the Obama Administration on its approach, Haiti will prove a good test of Washington's willingness to address seriously the consequences of another failed U.S. foreign policy arena and will undoubtedly inform an assessment of its regional policy six or twelve months from now.

Currently, the greatest hope for change comes not from the White House but from the House of Representatives, where Democrats have succeeded in holding up the Colombian FTA for almost three years, and are closing in on passing significant legislation which would lift the Cuban travel ban. The officials appointed by Obama to important administration positions have now been confirmed and, while doubt should be expressed about the degree of change they are capable of initiating, they must be given a chance before judgment is passed.

Likewise, Obama seems genuine in his attempts to alter the U.S.'s worldview, and time will provide a better picture of his success in forging a comprehensive multilateral approach to diplomacy as the region deals with challenges in Haiti and new issues arise.

Nevertheless, while policy continues to move in the wrong direction on a number of fronts, regional disappointment surrounding the president's first year in office is entirely justified, with the question remaining whether the White House is capable of doing more for the region than tossing feel-good rhetoric at its multiple problems.

Guy Hursthouse and Tomás Ayuso are research fellows at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org. The organization is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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What so many people cannot grasp . . .
written by Capnamerca, January 28, 2010
The governments will never legalize marijuana because it is a major source of revenue for the lawyers, judges, and police, and because their financiers will not allow them to decriminalize their golden calf.

In fact, the largest, oldest drug cartel in existence is the CIA. The reason Japan launched the attack on Pearl Harbor was because the U.S. government was in cahoots with the Chinese in an attempt to flood Japan with Chinese heroin, destabilizing their society, and leaving them more vulnerable to Chinese invasion.

The CIA has been using drugs to destabilize other nations since. This is their modus operandi. They are only one of the many agencies worldwide which are run by the international bankers, and operate under the cover of a government agency, but time and again, they have proven to be above the law. The same bankers who run this operation are the people who finance and equip the notorious drug cartels of Mexico, Central, and South America.

Their goal is simple. Destabilize the economies of these states, and gain control of the banking systems through loans and nationalization.

Just imagine the amount of money that could be put to use productively if it wasn't funneled into the ILLEGAL drug trade. The taxes that could be levied on such money. The jobs that could be created. The health care expenses that would be saved. The amount of law enforcement needed. The legal expenses incurred. For the U.S. alone it would be hundreds of billions of dollars each year, and I'm sure Brazil isn't far behind.

Just imagine what the Mexican people could accomplish if their country wasn't deep into an unwinnable drug war.

I could go on and on about how much money and how many lives are lost to this horrible policy of criminalizing drugs, but the truth is, the powers that be will never allow it to be changed. The drug war is one of the more successful campaigns they have waged against the governments and citizens of the world, and they will never allow it to die. The lawmakers have no power to fight these people, because they owe their allegiance to the same people who wage war against the citizens. The International Bankers.
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written by João da Silva, January 29, 2010

What so many people cannot grasp . . .


The comments of "Capnamerica" are more interesting and informative than the article itself.His views seem to coincide with that of Lloyd Cata!

I have been reading the comments of ASP in favor of legalizing marijuana to generate more tax revenue. Capnamerica appears to concur, but points out that "the powers that be will never allow the legalization of any kind of drug".

Great comments and I wonder what ASP has to say.

BTW, this is the first time I am hearing about the connection between the Chinese Heroin and Pear harbor. I wonder if China still produces heroin and exports it.

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written by Baen Brodie, January 29, 2010
What a fascinating insight concerning the reason behind Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. And all this time, I thought the Rape of Nanking was just another step of Japan's toward domination of Asia and the Pacific for oil and other natural resources.
And the references to Brazil's continued progress toward non-alignment was particularly noteworthy. I guess Brazil's strategic new "Defense Alliance" with France, so recently signed, will be abandoned, as will the purchasing of the RAFALE fighters, the submarines, the aircraft carrier, the helicopters, and who knows what else that nonaligned Brazil's strategic partner will sell us.
Get Over It Will We
written by dnB, January 29, 2010
The Bush era was set up to do what it accomplished. They have BEEN talking about their NEW WORLD ORDER agenda. It's just that no one's been listening or have a clue of what that is.

The financial crisis was just "Gangster 101". Get people in debt by deregulation to further CONTROL them later.
Watch out BRAZIL! smilies/shocked.gif

Obama is here to deliver the Constitution on a silver platter to the U.N. And soon everyone will be BEGGING for CHANGE as the economy and more likely than not TERRORISM , real and false flagged becomes the order of the day.
For now we are witnessing the DELIBERATE mockery that is being made of DEMOCRACY. It has to be shown and accepted NOT to work anymore.

It's really simple.. Believe it....
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, January 29, 2010

I guess Brazil's strategic new "Defense Alliance" with France, so recently signed, will be abandoned, as will the purchasing of the RAFALE fighters, the submarines, the aircraft carrier, the helicopters, and who knows what else that nonaligned Brazil's strategic partner will sell us.


Probably they consulted Diane Brandonburgo who advised them that we don't have enough money to "invest" in French Armaments Industries and thus vetoed this "Strategic Partnership". Or President Ahmadenijad refused to get into this important "Partnership" which would have helped us to generate enough revenue to buy French made RAFALES, Submarines, Choppers, Wine, cheese, etc; One never knows the real motives.

BTW, is your next book going to be titled: "The Unpaved Road to Bankruptcy" ?
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written by dnB, January 29, 2010

In fact, the largest, oldest drug cartel in existence is the CIA


Thanks for letting our fellow posters in on this.

The comments of "Capnamerica" are more interesting and informative than the article itself.His views seem to coincide with that of Lloyd Cata!



I agree! Someone that really knows what is going on. CIA. Federal Reserve Bank. IRS.. All frauds. Or at least not what the average citizen believes them to be.
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written by Capnamerca, January 29, 2010
The Bush era was set up to do what it accomplished. They have BEEN talking about their NEW WORLD ORDER agenda. It's just that no one's been listening or have a clue of what that is.


The Bush era was only a continuation of the same strategies they have been practicing since the end of WW2, but accelerated by the "terrorist" attacks against the U.S. in '01. These "terrorist" attacks could not possible have been perpetrated by 19 Arab immigrants, none of whom had ever flown solo in a jumbo jet. No way the "plane" that hit the pentagon could have successfully maneuvered the course necessary to accomplish such a feat. Not to mention, there were never any engines, wheels, wing or fuselage parts found at the crash site. I could expound, but do any of you remember the "Northwoods" incident, when the Joint Chiefs formulated a plan to shoot down an American airliner and blame it on the Cubans, so they could go back and stage an invasion on a grander scale than the Bay of Pigs?

I don't believe the only reason the U.S. invaded Iraq was for the oil, but it certainly wasn't because of "Weapons of mass destruction". The U.S. government can read your watch from a satellite, they knew there were no such weapons. One of the primary reasons was that Iraq was one of only 6 nations that did not have a central bank controlled by the international banking syndicates. Oh yeah, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, and Libya also do not have central banks controlled by these people. Does this list in any way look familiar in another context? Hmmmmmmmm . . . . what gives here?
Oh, one more small thing . . .
written by Capnamerca, January 29, 2010
Does anyone remember what happened to JFK after he threatened to shut down the Federal reserve, issue dollars by the U.S. government, and pull the U.S. out of Viet Nam?
Capnamerca
written by João da Silva, January 29, 2010

I began to take you seriously after what you commented about Brasil having a looming energy crisis of it's own coming in the other magazine, Capn!

You were spot on about Iraq in your latest comment in this thread.

My theory is that we are caught in a crossfire in the war between $ and Euro!!
i really dont want to comment on this article , joao...except to say
written by asp, January 29, 2010
count me in as not believing there was a conpiricy on 9/11, i have seen absolutly no evidence that convinces me ,and i have seen it all including dnbs phony 3 dollar bill...there are real families who lost loved ones in the pentagon crash...

and, yes, the drug war is the biggest hypocracy of them all ...the "economic crisis " could be cured very fast if they wanted to...

about obama, let everyone take their licks, i want to see where the country is at in 4 years...that is all i want to say about that
What article was that?!!!
written by dnB, January 29, 2010
commented about Brasil having a looming energy crisis of it's own coming in the other magazine, Capn!


Joao if you have the link , please post it. smilies/wink.gif

btw , I know you said you caught on the "game" long ago,but I am surprised at how it appears that you are leaning as far "left" as some of us.

LEFT=CONSPIRACY[/b

Right=BELIEVING THE HYPE AS PRESENTED la la land.

One extra clue is that the "GOOD BOOK" always said there was a conspiracy against humanity. Few really believe and understand it. All these people that understand this AND don't even believe in the "GOOD BOOK" can't just be crazy and lunatics. We just are brave enough to do extra research.smilies/wink.gif
yep ,,, that terror list
written by dnB, January 29, 2010
, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, and Libya also do not have central banks controlled by these people. Does this list in any way look familiar in another context? Hmmmmmmmm . . . . what gives here?


It's the latest terror list minus Nigeria and a few others.smilies/wink.gif. The ones that have to undergo extra security checks at the airports.
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 29, 2010

I am glad you finally stopped harassing an illustrious member of da Silva family and started paying attention to more important issues, lad.smilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Joao if you have the link , please post it.


Sure, posting the link:

http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/article/81-january-2010/11762-brazil-is-sending-technicians-to-help-chavez-deal-with-energy-crisis.html


There was just one comment from this "Captain" and before I could comment, it disappeared from the Headlines. I consider his comments to be very important, because of several reasons which I am not willing to discuss!

btw , I know you said you caught on the "game" long ago,but I am surprised at how it appears that you are leaning as far "left" as some of us.


I was never a leftist nor intend to be one, DnB. I am more towards the motto of ASP: "Capitalism with Conscience". It is just that I don't need a well paid politically appointed clerk in the "Delegacia Regional do Trabalho" to give me a lecture as how nasty I have been to my employees.

I suspect that this "Captain" lives in Brasil and knows about how it works in the "energy sector". So worth listening to him.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gif
dnbaiacu
written by João da Silva, January 29, 2010

Sorry, DnB. I clicked the wrong icon.Lets try again:

http://www.brazzilmag.com/comp...risis.html

Double click it and it takes you directly to that article.
Joao
written by dnB, January 29, 2010
LOLsmilies/smiley.gif Thanks for the link

I am glad you finally stopped harassing an illustrious member of da Silva family and started paying attention to more important issues, lad


kkkkk LOLOLOL... You are SO right about more important issuessmilies/wink.gif

I know you know I didn't mean "left" as it is politically understood. I just meant leaning towards what some may label as "conspiracy theory". There ARE those that would readily dismiss what CapAmerica has to say on many things. It just doesn't fit into their preconceived way of how things are going. Like all these nation states are somehow acting independently.(?).... Not picking up on the synchronicity of it all. Asp gets on me about my "end all" take. But when you know the finale , all the players moves are pretty much predictable. You can get this adrenaline rush watching it all happen. smilies/shocked.gif
Joao
written by dnB, January 29, 2010
Found the link.. Sounds to me he must be referring to oil. He didn't say. I'd like to hear him expound.
The energy crisis . . . .
written by Capnamerca, January 29, 2010
I speak of is concerning the electricity that will be needed to support production of all the products Brazil is planning to export over the next 50 years or so. And of course the consuming public will be demanding more and more energy to run all of the new conveniences they will be able to buy with the wages from all of this production.

Brazil has been constructing many small generating stations for the last decade, and entering into the wind power industry at a good clip, but these efforts will fall way short of producing the amount of energy Brazil will need for their future ambitions.

As I mentioned, wind, solar, and hydro are great sources of electricity, and for the most part, they are environmentally sound strategies. BUT they are not dependable enough for a base load system. Let's say for example, just using random numbers, the total production need of the country is 50 GWH of electricity. There must be at a bare minimum of 100 GWH of base load capability. At any given time, up to 50% of this capability can be inoperable for one reason or another. Maintenance, breakdowns, fuel shortage, etc. So, if 25% of this minimum base load is being supplied by wind, hydro, and solar stations, what is going to happen if there is a severe drought for a few years, or the wind just isn't producing enough power in part of the country. Suppose there is some kind of emergency with the nuke at Angra.

This doesn't mention that the growth rate in the generation capacity is far below Brazil's economic growth projections.

Add to that the fact many people will be replaced by computers over the next 10 to 20 years, requiring much more electricity than the economic indicators would suggest, I see no way Brazil is going to be able to keep up with their energy demands.

Now, I confess, it is only the opinion of a guy who spent over 30 years and through two cycles of large power plant construction in the U.S., but I have seen this same scenario there, and it took a huge mobilization and many billions of dollars to stave off a national crisis. Brazil is not doing enough to counter the impending problem, and they won't until it's absolutely necessary, or long after.

As an example, Brazil auto production and sales within Brazil have increased greatly over the last ten years, but how much has Brazil invested in it's roads systems? The roads here are overtaxed, and in terrible disrepair. You can't operate a power grid that way. It won't work at all.
by the way.....
written by asp, January 30, 2010
I BROUGHT IN TESTIMONIALS OF PEOPLE SEEING A LOW FLYING JET HEADING FOR THE PENTIGON

AND I BROUGHT IN PHOTOS OF WRECKEDGE FROM A JET AIRLINER FROM THE PENTAGON CRASH THE DAY OF THAT CRASH !!!

ANYONE STUCK IN THE BROKEN RECORD OF THINKING IT IS A MISSLE THAT HIT THE PENTAGON IS IN A SERIOUS STATE OF DENIAL, AND IT SERIOUSLY AFFECTS THE CREDIBILITY OF ANY OTHER CONSPIRACY THEORIES PUT FORTH BY WHAT EVER INDIVIDUAL PUSHES THE MISSLE STORY ABOUT THE PENTAGON

AND , SHAME ON ANYONE WHO SAIS IT, REAL FAMILIES LOST LOVED ONES IN THAT CRASH
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written by $hit disturber, January 30, 2010
My bet is that there are few on this site whom were born with eyes that point in the same direction.
asp . . .
written by Capnamerca, January 30, 2010
what happened to the airplane pieces? Where are the wheels? The engines? The fuselage? The wings? The black box? And for the record, I did not say it was a missile.

In this day and age, photos mean nothing . . . . the pentagon has more surveillance cameras than any building in the entire world and the U.S. has one grainy video which does not appear to show a jumbo jet flying into the building.

From Hanjour's flight instructor:
Quote: “Alleged flight 77 (Pentagon) pilot Hani Hanjour had a history of great difficulties in his efforts to learn to fly. As late as Aug. 2001, he was unable to demonstrate enough piloting skills to rent a Cessna 172.”

In addition, Hani Hanjour had no training to fly a Boeing 757 in American schools devoted to piloting aircraft. Before the attacks of September 11, 2001, his only training mentionned by the FBI for flying a Boeing concerns a flight simulator of Boeing 737.


From a team of pilots, flight engineers and physicists:

You have to imagine them coming out of that turn, flying tree top level, being able to see or know where the Pentagon is miles away at the bottom of a ridge, treeline, highways, and a high-rise skyline- and then be able to miss the VDOT tower or fly above it, then drop down threading itself through 5 light poles, while missing the VDOT camera mast next to pole 1 and then fly low and level just a few feet above the lawn, skimming on it's belly into the first floor. That on it's face is implausible, the above evidence based presentations show it is IMPOSSIBLE.


Once again, I never claimed a missile hit the pentagon. I said it is not possible these attacks were perpetrated by 19 Arab terrorist, noe of whom had ever flown solo in a jumbo jet. Draw your own conclusions. I will not expound on my opinion of how these acts were perpetrated, because I do not have the proof to back up my opinion. The full truth will one day be known, or maybe not.

But to believe the official story is to believe the U.S. government has some sort of integrity, and I find this to be a faith with no logical reasoning or background.
cap'n
written by asp, January 30, 2010
what about the one that went down into the ground? there was nothing but a black hole.....couldnt a plane going into a brick wall have the same effect? there was no fusalage in the flight that went down either...

its only speculation to think the guy couldnt have brought it into the wall....its equaly as hard to hit the towers ...but it happened...taking off andactualy putting the wheel on the ground would be the hard part, which they didnt have todo...directing it into something would be easy if you had the minimum training

its not about the government, its about huge amounts of reports and eye witnesess...many people testified they saw a passenger jet arliner hit the pentagon...

but most of all, what about the families who lost people on that flight? are they just stashed away by the government ? that reality behind it trumps a lot...

but cap, dont let me change your mind, but you have to do alot better than that ,or a sermon on the mount with a phony 3 dollar bill from dnb , or an anti jewish "the zionists are behind every thing" rant from jake mccran to convince me....bring my some hard evidence that isnt just speculation that i can sink my teeth into ....ive seen so many speculations on the subject...
Capnamerca
written by João da Silva, January 30, 2010
The energy crisis .



A very good analysis and you are numbers are pretty accurate.

The government has gone into a partnership with Spaniards and other Europeans and has been investing heavily in the energy sector as well as (Toll)Highways in the Northeast part of the country. As you are aware, the current Chief of Staff of Lula and the aspiring candidate for his job is supposed to be an expert in this area. If I recall correctly, Eletrobras is now listed in NYSE to bring in more money from overseas.

My Question: In your opinion, are the measures enough to take care of the growing demand?

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written by João da Silva, January 30, 2010

My bet is that there are few on this site whom were born with eyes that point in the same direction.


Listen, s**t D. Do you have anything against "Deficientes fisicos" ?
There Is Much To Agree With In This Analysis
written by Lloyd Cata, January 30, 2010
COHA is an organisation and site I visit periodically to get the 'feel' on the ground from different regions of Latin America and I recommend it to all. These gentlemen have done a serious analysis, possibly as an overview of the situation. A more in-depth effort would have uncovered aspects to this story of the first year and some certainty of what to expect going forward.
Let's take another look;
Starting with Honduras...No argument with what was presented, but the significance of the role of Senator Jim Demint has been totally missed. This senator with his neo-con allies with the invaluable help of the US Chamber of Commerce and the affected American companies operating in Honduras clearly handed President Obama his first significant foreign policy defeat. Many people, even very intelligent Americans, do not understand the role that the Chamber of Commerce plays both domestically and in foreign policy. The power of The Chamber resides in its absolute access to the political elites from both parties. Any politician looking to get elected in the US is very aware that the Chamber and its members speak for a strict capitalist agenda. They will be, hands down, the greatest beneficiary of the Supreme Court decision regarding corporate sponsorship of politician; that is simply their specialty. When a corporation has an issue whether local, national, or international, it is the Chamber that they go to for action. No other organisation in America has the depth of political access, with the financial backing, to influence US government action. They do not always get their way, but in this instance they were part of the planning group, with several right-wing politicians, US companies(Fruit-of-the-Loom, et al) and the caudillos(Micheletti), who organised the removal of Mr. Zelaya. It was a masterful stroke that delayed Obama's team, faced down the regional organisations, isolated those willing to back Zelaya(Brazil/Costa Rica), and pulled off a sham election to maintain the status quo.
Most would say the coup was a total surprise but it was planned, funded, and executed consistent with the shadow government operating in the US today. They managed to completely neutralize the US State Dept., disregard the regional concerns, and use negotiations as a delaying tactic to carry out their plans which was choreographed from beginning to end. The US congressional 'fact-finding' mission was simply the necessary measure to ensure Micheletti did not waver under the threat of economic collapse.
Capitalism 1
Obama 0

Gentlemen, please do not be distracted by the music coming out of the US. Listening to the words of this song and they will be very familiar. Once again they will have you dancing to the Imperial Orchestra while they are stealing your future. There are some things Obama can do, but DO NOT expect he will save you from what has, is, and will be the US domination of the hemisphere, its people, and its resources. If you cannot see it for yourselves the Capitalists will pay what they must, and buy who they must, because in the world they live in, and the game they are playing, they have to have Latin America and they have to have it in a manner to maximize their profits. In the long run, guns are cheaper than butter!
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, January 31, 2010

Most would say the coup was a total surprise but it was planned, funded, and executed consistent with the shadow government operating in the US today.


So your argument is that the other "Caudilho" with the Stetson Hat did not know that he was going to be hit by a speeding train? You still haven't convinced me the reason for his attempt to change the constitution. smilies/cheesy.gif

Your comments about the "Chamber of Commerce" have a ring of truth. I agree that most of the Chambers of Commerce are quite powerful in most of the countries and kind of shadow governments by themselves. They are "san frontièrs" too.

There are some things Obama can do, but DO NOT expect he will save you from what has, is, and will be the US domination of the hemisphere, its people, and its resources.


Rest assured that I don't expect anything from Obama nor from any other politician.smilies/sad.gif

BTW, how is the "Afghan Campaign" coming along?smilies/wink.gif
The Media Manipulation...It Was Too Easy
written by Lloyd Cata, January 31, 2010
João da Silva,
So your argument is that the other "Caudilho" with the Stetson Hat did not know that he was going to be hit by a speeding train? You still haven't convinced me the reason for his attempt to change the constitution.


Once Mr. Zelaya indicated his ideological alignment with Mr. Chavez his fate was sealed. The question is not his reason for wanting to change the constitution, that happens all the time, just as the USSC changed the 'interpretation' of the US constitution so the corporations could own the government.
The real question is; "How did Mr. Zelaya think he could change anything when the legislature, the judiciary, and the military were in opposition?" Where was the threat of change from a man who has only the people for an ally? Everyone says, "Oh no! He's gonna be another Chavez!". Did they ever consider that Chavez was 'elected' and he had the support of the military? Was Zelaya stupid enough to think that he was going to magically change the constitution or was he counting on Chavez to send troops to back him up? Where does this fiction come from that has painted Zelaya as an enemy of democracy? I'm sorry, my friends, but you have swallowed whole the novela of Zelaya as Chavez!
Once he was publicly charged with trying to change the constitution everything fell into place for the coup. Even if he wanted to change the constitution, he certainly did not have the means nor the allies to pull it off. I'm sure there will be someone here who would accuse him of importing Cuban and Venezuelan troops, but then their lies would only expose them as idiots. This coup does not pass the smell test, but you know the saying about, "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
He was hit by the speeding train, unfortunately they don't build those kind of trains in Honduras or anywhere else in Latin America.
Afghanistan Is Not Vietnam, If It Was America Might Be Winning!
written by Lloyd Cata, January 31, 2010
The latest example of the disaster that is Afghanistan can be readily seen in the terrible suicide killing of the seven CIA officials. They lost their lives because they 'trusted' the man who killed them.
It is extremely difficult for the 'coalition' to know which Muslims are committed to the war on Islamic extremism. So it is that Muslim-American troops result in killing their American colleagues. There is NO alternative other than to put safeguards in place against these 'inside' attacks. Frankly, everyone knows that these agents died through their own negligence to search the person and then drive him through 3 checkpoints to enter into the heart of the US base. It is fortunate that he did not kill more Americans.
Where do US policy-makers get these people like Karzai? Well, I guess the same place they got Zelaya! But then they couldn't prop up another Saddam or Pinochet, so they settle for the one they can make sure to control. Unfortunately, one with no spine that the Taliban will grind under their feet. Obama is smart to get away from these people. If he has to kill Afghans he wants to do it on his terms, so withdrawal next year and a new offensive against Al-Quaeda with a new game plan.
The link between the CIA and Karzai's drug-dealing brother is just another example of the 2 faces of US policy. How many Americans, Europeans, and others throughout the world will be killed or addicted by the people we call our friends. Certainly more than 9/11 or all the terrorists attacks put together.
USA invaded Vietnam and subjected their own people to a flood of drugs from there, now they invade Afghanistan with the same result. Sooner or later someone is going to connect the dots, and then it will become clear how these wars and conflicts are manufactured. Even those who know Al Queada was responsible for 9/11 cannot dismiss the nagging thought that there is more to this story.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, January 31, 2010

Excellent and thorough analysis, Dr.Cata. I didn't expect anything of lesser quality from you.

BUT...BUT....BUT....

Once Mr. Zelaya indicated his ideological alignment with Mr. Chavez his fate was sealed.


Why was it so important for Mr.Z to associate with the good Col.Chavez ideologically? It showed that he lacked personality,initiative, leadership quality, etc; among many other things.

Was Zelaya stupid enough to think that he was going to magically change the constitution or was he counting on Chavez to send troops to back him up?


Yes, he was stupid to think that Chavez would send troops to save his butt, but all he got was just the moral support. Lets face it,Col.Chavez outsmarted him as well as us!

He was hit by the speeding train, unfortunately they don't build those kind of trains in Honduras or anywhere else in Latin America


The old locomotives we have here are still capable of accelerating.Please bear in mind that I didn't specify the speed of the train that hit Mr.Z in MPH/KMPH. I suggest you restudy "Newton´s laws of Motion", when you have some spare time.smilies/wink.gif

Now to the "Afghan Campaign":

The latest example of the disaster that is Afghanistan can be readily seen in the terrible suicide killing of the seven CIA officials. They lost their lives because they 'trusted' the man who killed them.


You do keep track of the news, don't ya? Dont forget that the case officer was one of the minor princes of Jordan. I wonder what exactly a Jordanian was doing in Afghanistan. There again, the Army Major who was involved in the Shootings at Ford Hood is of Jordanian origin, right?

Obama is smart to get away from these people. If he has to kill Afghans he wants to do it on his terms, so withdrawal next year and a new offensive against Al-Quaeda with a new game plan.


I am afraid Obama will be forced to escalate the war.Unfortunately the history repeats itself. Remember LBJ? I can clearly visualize the "Mayor of Kabul" being the first person to hop into a chopper at Bagram air base, along with his brother and getting the heck out of the country, at the first sign of trouble.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, January 31, 2010
Why was it so important for Mr.Z to associate with the good Col.Chavez ideologically? It showed that he lacked personality,initiative, leadership quality, etc; among many other things.

I cannot speak to why Zelaya made such a fool of himself with Chavez.
It's fine that you consider an idiot was president of Honduras. There was an idiot in the US White House too, for all the world to see.

The old locomotives we have here are still capable of accelerating.Please bear in mind that I didn't specify the speed of the train that hit Mr.Z in MPH/KMPH. I suggest you restudy "Newton´s laws of Motion", when you have some spare time.

I'm sure there are very good trains in Latin America. Did you notice how all the little regional choo-choos were ignored as the US pushed them off the track and continued on without any trouble. It wasn't the speed that wrecked Mr. Z, it was the size and shape(of things to come). Newton would have been proud smilies/cheesy.gif

I wonder what exactly a Jordanian was doing in Afghanistan.

Jordan is closer to the action. You never commented on the use of those seven(7) Colombian bases, but then you must know why Colombian mercenaries are in Afghanistan. Practice for when they return home? I would not be surprised to find them in your neighborhood since they will have experience and credentials to safeguard everything during the Olympics and beyond.
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written by Baen Brodie, January 31, 2010
Jordanians in the region are not so unusual. During Pakistan's war with India, Jordanian's flew as part of the Pakistani Air Force against India. If memory serves me correctly, they flew American supplied F-104s. However, Jordanians wouldn't be there today if the PLO had been successful in wiping them out during 1970 Black September's revolt. If I remember correctly, and I beg forgiveness if I'm wrong, but the Israeli's took the revolt against the Jordanian King seriously and came to the rescue.
Great discussion. I am learning a great deal. This discussion has forced me to delve deeper into my Latin American study materials. Hey, do we get college credit for subscribing to this site?
Joao, really appreciated your comment about the war between the Euro and Dollar in South America. Very good and insightful.
The Avatar Effect
written by Lloyd Cata, January 31, 2010
I know in another thread everyone was discussing the movie Avatar. I just want to clarify what I said about the music and the importance of listening to the words.
Fact: This movie will be seen by more people on planet Earth than any other movie in the history of the world.
Fact: Every oppressed ethnic group on Earth identifies with some aspect of the movie.
Fact: Many of those in power, and particularly those agents of the Empire, feel exposed by this movie. From the Vatican to Beijing there is concern about the visual content and context of this movie.

That is the power of the truth! And when the presentation of that truth is combined with the awesome imagination and the best Hollywood technology it has an effect on people that cannot be dismissed so easily.

The oppressors, and thieves, and greedy money men, with their hired guns are beginning to seriously mount a critical media backlash against the movie. Indirectly, as in Beijing's limit on the number of screens and the Vaticans concern with "pagan values" expressed by a totally fictional alien race. It will be very interesting how far these extremists on the right and left are willing to censure the truth delivered with compelling graphics and a familiar storyline.

Ohhhh, this 'is' John Wayne killing Indians, but the Indians turned it into "Custer's Last Stand" and that has stirred the passions of many, and the hopes of many more. A dangerous thing when there are plans to do exactly what was done to the Nav'i in so many places around the planet.
What BS
written by Mineiricano, February 01, 2010
This article is typical lefty ideology by people who like to hear themselves speak. All the usual dribble I heard when I was a kid during the Reagan era. Now you dorks get to use the Bush name.

Bottom line: The US will do where it wants, when it wants with whom it wants, in South America. Most of the banana republics can be babysat by an ambassador. If they get feisty someone from Washington will call.

Get over it.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, February 01, 2010

Joao, really appreciated your comment about the war between the Euro and Dollar in South America. Very good and insightful.


Thanks Baen. It is not a war just in S.America, but all over the world! I think that the mighty Dollar will survive.

Hey, do we get college credit for subscribing to this site?


It is entirely up to our Comrade-in-Arms Dr.Lloyd Cata to use his enormous influence among some prestigious Ivy League colleges to get us credits.smilies/wink.gif

BTW, I think you comments on the Jordanians involved in the conflicts in that region are correct. Lloyd might be able to confirm it. However, Jordan and Egypt are close allies of the U.S. Especially Jordan, because one of the wives of the Late King Hussein (Noor?) was an American and later she was enthroned as the Queen of that country.
So Funny.....
written by dnB, February 01, 2010
but you have to do alot better than that ,or a sermon on the mount with a phony 3 dollar bill from dnb , or an anti jewish "the zionists are behind every thing" rant from jake mccran to convince me....bring my some hard evidence that isnt just speculation that i can sink my teeth into ....ive seen so many speculations on the subject...


How most can't see the Truth when it slaps you right in the face. smilies/shocked.gif

The "powers that be" depend on this. Everything is about what we "BELIEVE" in light of the evidence OR lack thereof.

OK,,,,,, so the sky isn't falling.. And the United Nations is going to bring world peace.smilies/wink.gif ??????

Think about itsmilies/wink.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, February 01, 2010
It is entirely up to our Comrade-in-Arms Dr.Lloyd Cata to use his enormous influence among some prestigious Ivy League colleges

smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif If I ever had any influence, after more than 25 years of on-line discussion(dial-up BBS), it would have certainly been revoked considering my views expressed on this site. Of that there is certainty!

Therefore you must only credit yourselves for generating thoughtful and entertaining discussion of issues relative to Brazil, Latin America, and the world.
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, February 01, 2010
Jordanians in the region are not so unusual. During Pakistan's war with India, Jordanian's flew as part of the Pakistani Air Force against India. If memory serves me correctly, they flew American supplied F-104s. However, Jordanians wouldn't be there today if the PLO had been successful in wiping them out during 1970 Black September's revolt. If I remember correctly, and I beg forgiveness if I'm wrong, but the Israeli's took the revolt against the Jordanian King seriously and came to the rescue.

I see we have a serious student of history in Mr. Brodie. Essentially he is quite correct and the Kingdom would never have survived without the direct assistance of the Israelis and the blessings of their patrons in Washington. The Jordanians have since replaced the Egyptians as the front men in disseminating Washingtons line in the Arab/Muslim world. The Jordanian embrace of the American, Queen Noor, was almost a fairy-tale experience of the marriage of 2 kingdoms, and she has lived up to that fairytale in her duties as Queen, which she continues to do.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, February 01, 2010

I see we have a serious student of history in Mr. Brodie.


Recommended novel for you to read: "The Road to Narrogin" !

When the Engineers take interest in history, why cant others do also?smilies/wink.gif

Dial-up BBS? We have come a long way from there!
"The Road to Narrogin"
written by Lloyd Cata, February 01, 2010
Looks like a wonderful read. My daughter-in-law will love it since she is Brazilian and also had some relationship issues in her transition from Brazil.

smilies/cool.gif Looks like you found me out here, João smilies/wink.gif My grandson is Brazilian-American and has dual citizenship. No doubt his future is tied to both of his ancestral identities, and I would not have it any other way!
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, February 02, 2010

My daughter-in-law will love it since she is Brazilian and also had some relationship issues in her transition from Brazil.


That explains why you have no problem in understanding the links in Portuguese I post once in a while!

Looks like you found me out here, João


Probably we have met personally.smilies/cheesy.gif
Here there everywhere
written by Simpleton, February 03, 2010
Meeting you personally would be swell I'm sure Joao. Probably best done when the grapes are ready to harvest. Lloyd, don't know, probably would not enjoy his environs much but do so love reading what he writes. Sr Blanchette (who seems to also have gone missing) - I'd love to. Think we've got some matters to look very seriously at together in first person at Shenanigans and settle our wagers on on what's real and what people should really make of it. Beating on drums, trash cans, whatever happens to be available, with our musically enthused compatriot - been there / done that (and RegaeBushClitBushBama is a beat that will continue on influencing long after we are all gone regardless of what it's ancesteral or heredity origins were - Hulalula - okay, maybe, but only if there are new queens and monarchys made on some isolated island). Taking up the challenge of the surf and beating it, in that too we have a waning champion (just sweating it out in the cabana can be tough enough which is what most tearful leaders are prone to try to do these days except those hiding in caves.)
Fall of the Republic
written by jake McCrann, February 04, 2010
Anyone here who has not seen the documentaries "The Obama Deception" and "Fall of the Republic" by Alex Jones (available for free on jewTube and everywhere else) then you don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to Obama.

Look, I WANT to argue with people. But I can't get involved in arguments of worth when so many are still being suckered by all this diatribe.
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written by jake McCrann, February 04, 2010
PS: Anyone who doesn't already realise that 9/11 was a false-flag operation is simply ignorant. The evidence is so overwhelming even my retarded down-syndrome son understands it.
Sao Paulo politicians
written by jake McCrann, February 04, 2010
I remember in 2006 I was at a party hosted by a family of politicians. And they were all feeding the gringo chachassa. In the end of the night I was dribbling over these politicians who were also dribbling over themselves, that 9/11 was a false-flag operation. They would respond with, "Well, yes there are people saying that in the corridors but its not proven" and so I was dribbling even more, "No IT IS, IT IS PROVEN IN 100 DIRECTIONS. IT WAS TOTALLY" and in the end I warned them, "LOOK, just KNOW that it was a false-flag operation. Don't bother imagining there is any political ramifcations because there isn't - you will be assassinated if you table it in congress. But KNOW that this is the instruments of the game. Ok?". And so they dribbled all over me and understood as well. Then I fell in the swimming pool and looked like a really drunk gringo with that cachassa.
More crap from Jake McCrann
written by WhackingDay, February 04, 2010
"Anyone who doesn't already realise that 9/11 was a false-flag operation is simply ignorant."

No, they just aren't an idiot like you

"The evidence is so overwhelming even my retarded down-syndrome son understands it."

You don't have a son, Jakey
João
written by Capnamerca, February 10, 2010
My Question: In your opinion, are the measures enough to take care of the growing demand?


Sorry for the delay on your question. I sort of lost track of this thread.
But, in my opinion, the current efforts to grow the power sector aren't going to be enough. They are talking about expanding Angra once again, but I have been following that scenario for years, due to the possibility of making a good chunk of change there myself, and as yet, I haven't seen anything materialize outside of talk.

If you look around the world at the other developed and developing nations, all of them have invested heavily in base load energy sources. Coal and Nuclear. Even China, with it's huge 3 Gorges dam at a capacity of more than 22,000 MW is still building coal and nuclear power plants. One source claims China is starting construction on 2 new coal fired power plants each week.

Recently Brazil announced plans to build a new dam and hydro power facility in the Amazon Basin, but it's only somewhere around 11,000 MW. Large, yes, but a project like this takes many years to engineer, plan, and construct. I would think they could build Angra 3 relatively quick, as the plans were more than likely done a long time ago, but at best, this plant would only add 1300 to 1400 MW, increasing the countries power supply by 1-2%.

Like I said, look at the rest of the industrial world and what they are doing in terms of increasing generating capacity, and draw your own conclusion as to whether Brazil is doing enough. I'd hate to see the countries potential for economic growth stunted by short-sightedness in the energy sector.
Idiot in the white house
written by Capnamerca, February 10, 2010
There was an idiot in the US White House too, for all the world to see.


Big difference is, the "idiot" in the white house will retire comfortably with billions stashed in private banks around the world, just like the last "idiot" that was living in the white house.

And the world keeps turning ! ! !
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written by $hit disturber, February 10, 2010
Recently Brazil announced plans to build a new dam and hydro power facility in the Amazon Basin, but it's only somewhere around 11,000 MW. Large, yes, but a project like this takes many years to engineer, plan, and construct. I would think they could build Angra 3 relatively quick, as the plans were more than likely done a long time ago, but at best, this plant would only add 1300 to 1400 MW, increasing the countries power supply by 1-2%.

Like I said, look at the rest of the industrial world and what they are doing in terms of increasing generating capacity, and draw your own conclusion as to whether Brazil is doing enough. I'd hate to see the countries potential for economic growth stunted by short-sightedness in the energy sector.


BUT THAT IS BRAZIl. When everything looks good, they shoot themselves ion the foot and blame someone else. The Belo Monte project is not geared at creating energy for the country, but for the multinationals operating in the region. Alcoa, Cargill etc. The Amazon is ALREADY "internationalized" (although few will admit it), and the Belo Monte Project is proof of that. So not only is Brazil investing unwisely, but they are developing new controversial projects that won't even benefit Brazilians, it's all about big bucks in the pocket of a few. Plan Alto is rife with corruption, and follow the money to see why THIS project was fast tracked, and why so many people have resigned over it.

But this is Brazil, a 7 year old will wiggle her hips in Carnaval, and all will be forgotten.

Follow the money . . .
written by Capnamerca, February 11, 2010
That's right, if one really wants to know the bottom line on any happening, just follow the money. Take for example the hundreds of billions of dollars the U.S. defense contractors have taken out of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Also, the issue of the jet fighters Brazil will purchase. Anyone who believes this decision will not be paid for under the table is wearing blinders.

Where the corpse lies, there the vultures will gather. Race, religion, creed, nationality, political party, and any other difference not withstanding, any place their is a lot of money, there will be a lot of thieves.
Follow the money . . .
written by Capnamerca, February 11, 2010
That's right, if one really wants to know the bottom line on any happening, just follow the money. Take for example the hundreds of billions of dollars the U.S. defense contractors have taken out of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Also, the issue of the jet fighters Brazil will purchase. Anyone who believes this decision will not be paid for under the table is wearing blinders.

Where the corpse lies, there the vultures will gather. Race, religion, creed, nationality, political party, and any other difference not withstanding, any place their is a lot of money, there will be a lot of thieves.
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