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Brazil's Lula in Havana, on the Side of the Perpetrators PDF Print E-mail
2010 - February 2010
Written by O Estado de S. Paulo   
Friday, 26 February 2010 14:30

Fidel with Lula in HavanaThey are of a shameful cynicism the comments by president Lula on the death of Cuban activist Orlando Zapata Tamayo, which occurred hours before his fourth visit to the island since taking office. Tamayo, a 42-year-old mason, was one of 75 dissidents sentenced in 2003 to up to 28 years in prison.

Initially, his sentence was set at 3 years. Then increased to 25 years and 6 months for offenses like "defiance", "public disorder" and "resistance".

Although not a prominent member of the human rights movement in Cuba, Amnesty International has included him in its list of "prisoners of conscience" - victims adopted by the organization because they were arrested only because of their ideas.

In December, Tamayo began a hunger strike for better conditions for the 200 political prisoners of the regime, from which he would die 85 days later.

Lula managed to surpass dictator Raúl Castro on cynicism and mockery. Castro said that Tamayo "was taken to our best hospitals." In fact, only last week, already semi-conscious, they transferred him from the maximum security prison in Camaguey to Havana. And only on Monday he was taken to a hospital.

The outcome was anything but a surprise to their tormentors. Days earlier, the Spanish authorities had expressed their concern about the situation of Tamayo, during a human rights meeting with envoys from Cuba.

He died because they left him die. They could, but they didn't want to feed him intravenously. "It was a murder with judicial airs," summarized Elizardo Sanchez, leader of the illegal but tolerated Cuban Commission for Human Rights.

Lula on the other hand practically blamed Tamayo for his own death. When he finally agreed to talk about the matter, without disguising his irritation, the self-named driver of the Brazilian "hyperdemocracy" and recent enactor of the National Human Rights Program said to be deeply sorry "that a person let himself die by a hunger strike," noting that he is opposed to this kind of protest, which he had used (when, as a trade unionist, was arrested by the military regime).

No word therefore thus on what lead the dissident to this reckless attitude: nothing about his imprisonment for the crime of opinion, nothing about the conditions the opponents of the regime are subjected to, nothing about the fact that Cuba is the only country in the Americas with political prisoners. No gesture of disapproval to the violence of a tyranny.

On second thought, why would he upset his fraternal friendship with compañeros Fidel and Raul, bothering them with these details? At his side, Raul had just asked the journalists to "leave them alone, going normally along with our activities."

Lula accepted the request. After all, as his international adviser Marco Aurélio Garcia noted, "there are human rights problems all over the world."

But Lula furthermore called liars the 50 political prisoners who wrote him on Sunday to warn him about the seriousness of Tamayo's health and to ask him to intercede for the release of all of them.

Who knows, they may have imagined, naively or in desperation of cause, that the Brazilian could be "the voice in defense of protecting the lives of Cubans," as the religious man Dagoberto Valdés, one of the few opponents of the dictatorship still free on the island, would put it.

Lula has denied having received the correspondence. "People need to stop the habit of writing letters, keeping them and then saying that they sent them to other people," he complained. And with a touch of refinement in his own cynicism, concluded: "If these people had spoken to me before, I would have asked him to stop the strike and perhaps this would have prevented his death."

Apart from the lack of elementary human solidarity that his words show in the open - he said he could be accused of anything but that - the coincidence of Lula's visit with the tragedy of Tamayo left him exposed to the eyes of the world - and not exactly the way that makes him so flattered.

The death of a "prisoner of conscience," his mother's statement that he was tortured and the outbreak of repression that followed - the arrest of dozens of Cubans to prevent them from attending the funeral of the dissident in his native village - transform an episode already sordid in an international scandal.

Lula is part of it for fraternizing with the perpetrators of a continuous crime that has lasted 51 years.

Editorial of daily O Estado de S. Paulo published on February 26, 2010.



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written by João da Silva, February 26, 2010

Editorial of daily O Estado de S. Paulo published on February 26, 2010.


Giving the link to the original editorial in Portuguese to our friends. Worth reading the comments of some Brasilians there :

http://www.brazzil.com/compone...ators.html

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written by Baen Brodie, February 26, 2010
Cuba would be a better place today without the NRA. Hey, wait a minute! Cuba doesn't allow any organizations such as the NRA!smilies/wink.gif
Lula is a catch 22 position...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, February 26, 2010

Some people on the media (trying to move forward their agendas) wants Lula to interferer in the internal affairs of countries such as Cuba, Iran, and so on...

It does not matter what Lula does it - some group is going to blame him - Lula is in a Catch 22 position...

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Catch-22
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, February 26, 2010

Catch-22: A difficult situation from which there is no escape because it involves mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.

A situation in which a desired outcome or solution is impossible to attain because of a set of inherently illogical rules.

A catch-22 is a logical conundrum in which someone is essentially trapped, no matter what decision is made. For example, many entrants to the job market discover that you cannot get a job without experience, but if you have no experience, you can't get a job. This is a classic example of a catch-22, because the job-seeker is trapped in a circular logic paradigm with no way out.

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Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, February 26, 2010

Cuba doesn't allow any organizations such as the NRA!


All explanations in good time. Dr.Lloyd Cata must be very busy analyzing the latest Intel from that insignificant Caribbean nation and I am confident that he will come out with some plausible explanation connecting NRA,Human Rights, the tireless efforts of the Castro Dynasty to impose human rights among their "subjects", etc;

I am not worried about this NRA and nor should you be.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, February 26, 2010
Joao. I try and keep a good sense of humor, as well as all things in perspective, but sometimes, you make my day! I got a chuckle out of the very thought that there could be countries that "impose" civil rights.smilies/cheesy.gif I also caught your inference to "subjects" versus "citizens." Again, very good!

Doctor Lloyd Cata, I enjoy and appreciate your blogs a great deal. If I didn't get something from you and this site, I wouldn't waste my time.
You help keep my day in balance. Thanks.
Excellent!!!
written by Adriana A.,, February 27, 2010
Excellent article! I am so glad this article was translated. I am even more glad that it is from "Estadao".

Finally the Brazilian Press is reacting: "Folha de Sao Paulo" for publishing the "The Banda(lheira) Larga" scandal; now, "Istoe" for publishing more details about the PT's Mensalao.

Great news! I hope more sectors of the Press and sociaty may react as well; I thought they were in "Coma" or deadsmilies/shocked.gif

Is that because they are waking up to reality? Is that because they finally see what that socialistic-oppressive anti-democratic PNDH3 entails? Is that because what they see happening in Cuba can happen in Brazil as it is already happening in Venezuela? I really hope so.

Lula, "The Man", the world saw you in Cuba!!!

"EL Pais" also wrote an article about Brazil's foreing Policy/diplomacy. It is not secret to anybody anymore what goes on the minds of Lula and his advisers such as Amorim, Garcia, Martins, et al. I am waiting for "Le Monde"; the newspaper may loose credibility since it chose Lula as the Man of the year or something.

I hear some Lula's defenders coming up with excuses: "What could he have done? He cannot interfeer with the country's internal affairs", "He cannot interfeer with Iran's internal affairs"

BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSB!!! B.S.!!!

BUT HE DID INTERFEER WITH HONDURAS!!! HOW ABOUT THAT? HONDURAS COULD TAKE BRAZIL TO INTERNATIONAL COURTS IF IT WANTED TO. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I WAS TALKING WITH MY PARENTS IN BRAZIL WHEN MY FATHER READ ON UOL ABOUT ZAPATA'S DEATH. I LITERALLY CRYED!
HIS MOTHER COULD NOT EVEN MOURN HIS SON IN PEACE.

ZAPATA, R.I.P, YOUR DEATH WAS NOT IN VAIN.
The Death Of A Patriot (reprint)
written by Lloyd Cata, February 27, 2010
What is sometimes lost in the struggle for human freedom and dignity in Cuba is that there are patriots on both sides. There is no question that the Cuban people are inherently deserving of rights, both political and economic, that they are being denied under the present 'revolutionary' regime. That regime is 'responsible' for the death of Mr Zapata. Any death, while in custody of the state, should be condemned. That Mr Zapata chose to end his life, rather than suffer the continued denial of his human rights, was a choice being made in many parts of the world today. Patriots willing to give their lives have nourished the growth of freedom around the world, and Mr Zapata certainly qualifies in that definition.

Having said that, I am not unmindful that the Cuban regime is 'still', after 50 years of economic oppression, a 'revolutionary' regime. That revolution is not a fiction of someones imagination or some scheme to simply defraud the Cuban people of their rights. IMHO, it is an expression of the 'constant' need for vigilance in the face of an economic and military threat by 'external' forces who are intent on turning Cuba into a 'ownership' society with privatization as the core economic principle. Well, you say, "what's wrong with that?". What is wrong is that in too many places on the planet that ideology has left the 'people' of many countries destitute and trapped in the cycle of poverty and despair, as those with 'money' buy the inheritance of the people. Those 'people' will respond accordingly and sometimes in extremely violent manner. So let's be very clear that 'ownership' and 'privatization' are not about the rights of the 'people'. They are simply code words and labels which are used to legitimize the theft of the peoples inheritance by foreigners and their cadre of local elites.

The Cuban 'people' own Cuba. There is, and should be, be a framework for Cubans to 'partner' with both foreigners and citizens. Right now that framework is not beneficial to either the 'people' or those wishing to invest in Cuba. However, given the framework of what has been a constant economic threat, the revolution 'must' continue until that threat has passed. The agenda of the Empire, can not and will not, leave Cuba in the state of abject misery that we find in so many places around the world that have sworn allegiance to that agenda. For 50 years the people of Cuba have suffered, but they have also shown tremendous courage and tremendous compassion for those, around the world, who are even more unfortunate than themselves. The Cuban relief effort in Haiti being only the most recent(unreported by MSM), together with their provision of doctors and teachers, where the Empire operated for centuries without the least provision of humane living conditions. In fact, destroying eco-systems that for centuries provided for the livelihoods and health of the people.

Recently the OAS has rebuked Venezuela on human rights;

OAS-VENEZUELA
"The commission emphasizes that observance of 'other fundamental rights' cannot be sacrificed for the sake of realizing economic, social and cultural rights in Venezuela," the report states.

In a perfect world, this would be absolutely true. That is not the world we live in, where dominant economic and military forces are used to subjugate 'people' under the most inhumane conditions. Revolution in defense of the inherent 'ownership' rights of 'people' is legitimate, patriotic, and necessary! Isn't that the premise of the founding of American freedom from the tyranny of economic oppression by the original founders of the Empire?
Too often injustice of one type is advocated as an alternative to injustice of another. Mr. Zapata is a victim of just such injustice, and that does not advance the cause of justice for anyone.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, February 27, 2010

I also caught your inference to "subjects" versus "citizens." Again, very good!


Thanks, Capt.Brodie. Sense of humor is essential to keep ones sanity in this mad,mad,mad, world. Glad we have something in common.smilies/cheesy.gif

Doctor Lloyd Cata, I enjoy and appreciate your blogs a great deal. If I didn't get something from you and this site, I wouldn't waste my time.
You help keep my day in balance. Thanks.


You paid fitting tribute to Dr.Cata´s virtues and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

But...But... did you understand his long winded lecture on the necessity to continue with the Cuban "revolution"?smilies/wink.gif

Sometimes Dr.Cata can be as slippery as the proverbial eel.smilies/cool.gif
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, February 27, 2010
Doctor Lloyd Cata, I enjoy and appreciate your blogs a great deal. If I didn't get something from you and this site, I wouldn't waste my time.
You help keep my day in balance. Thanks.


Thank you, sir, for your generous praise. However, it is the participation of yourself and others, specifically my friend Mr. João da Silva, who continue to challenge me to rethink my own ideas and express them in this forum. I continue only in the highest regard for this forum and its fairness and objectivity to issues facing Brazil and the world.
Kudos to all!smilies/smiley.gif
CATCH-22 IS A GREAT EXCUSE FOR A COWARD SCOUNDREL
written by Breckenfeld, February 27, 2010
It is amazing the hypocrisy of the leftist pundits as regards Cuba.
All of the leftist governments of Latin America have an addiction to condemn the actions of The United States no matter what. Lula and many of his compañeros fought along side against the dictatorship in Brazil and because of that should never be an accomplice to the crimes being perpatrated in Cuba or anywhere else the name of an anachronistic revolution tbat try to deceive the world and the poor cubans into believing that they are facing up to the US. So the Brazilian government has commited an act of extreme cowardice and omission by not condemning the violations of human rights in Cuba. With such a behavior it has no credentials to be a leanding country. Everybody hates cowards. But on second thought, after all, Latin American leftist like to rise to power through democratic means so that when in power they can subvert the constitutional order to remain in power by controlling the freedom (remember the facts in Bolivia, Venezuela and Honduras). Latin America should be called Latrin America (in Portuguese it sound bettter).



That's the reason the region is so backward and will always be with this kind of behavior.

Catch-22 or not, omission is no good excuse. What is condemnable should always be condemned.

Poor Latrin America !
Elite
written by Adriana A.,, February 27, 2010
Jesus, I cannot hear this word anymore. Dilma Rosself was born rich, she is from the elite. Serra's parents were poor, Serra worked hard for his education. Marina also poor and she almost died from environmental pollution, and poverty was not an excuse for her to not pursuit her education. The Castro's brothers were rich in Cuba, they come from the Cuban elite. So what is up with this term elite then? To me it is a poor excuse, it is a poor explanation, it is an easy way out from a serious discussion though. TO me it all boils down to ideology, and it is not about the people. Close to 100,000 people died in Cuba, either assassinated or trying to scape the island, yes everyone, the Cubans, THE PEOPLE, cannot live the island.

In Venezuela? Hugo Chavez is destroying the whole country's resources. When Hugo C. declared an Enbargo against Colombia, Brazil came quickly to cash in and fill in the economic gaps that was left from Colombia's departure -Odebrecht, anyone?!?! Is Brazil imperialistic then? We need to seriouslly, HONESTLY, define what does this term entails. Also, what does this so called elite really mean. TO me this is just a rhetoric, this is just to persuade, influence, brainwash, manipulate the "less privileged", the uneducated people who cannot understand the real intentions of academic leftists, who takes advantage of their unhumane life conditions and poses as their protectors and saviors. All they need and all we need are at least the basic needs: health, education, security and food. Actually, food, the Brazilian poor cannot complaint -unlike Venezuelans- The "Bolsa Familia" started with FHC and Lula kept it and expanded it. However, let us not forget that this progress is due to a strong Agriculture. Yes, the EVIL Brazilian farmers.

What will prevent the EVIL imperialistic countries to explore other countries' people? The answer is: THE LAW. And A JUST JUDICIAL SYSTEM. Moreover, political parties and political leaders should not stay in power forever: because this practice enables corruption to prosper; enables favors to be handed out; fear, control, and manipulation. The down sides are too many for me to write down in here -I despise what FHC did, his idea to implement reelection. Lula was right, five year should be enough (if I am not mistaken he said something about that). A country like Brazil with two dictatorships cannot facilitate.

We all want to protect the people and it is not complicated, it is doable, if we put the rhetorics aside and rely on the law and base the education on critical thinking and logics. For instance, literacy programs, science programs, math and statistics programs right in the begining. I cannot express enough how much these two areas of knowledge are fundamental in order to develop one's cognitive abilities. An ability that will allows her/him to think critically and logically about her/himself and the world, therefore avoiding manipulations of all sorts.

In conclusion, the "ALTERNATIVE WAY" IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO TOTALITARISM. My favorite blogger in Brazil, Reinaldo Azevedo, likes to say that.

ZAPATA R.I.P.
Elite
written by João da Silva, February 27, 2010

The Castro's brothers were rich in Cuba, they come from the Cuban elite. So what is up with this term elite then?


If one studies the history of Latin America, he/she will discover that most of the "leftists" come from "elite" families. That is how you keep the "Plantation" functioning and profitable at all costs. Sad, but true reality.smilies/cheesy.gif
....From Confusion to Comprehension(Again!)
written by Lloyd Cata, February 27, 2010
Elite - (occasionally spelled élite) is taken originally from the Latin, eligere, "to elect". In sociology as in general usage, the elite is a relatively small dominant group within a large society, having a privileged status perceived as being envied by others of a lower line of order.(Wikipedia)

Elite - A group or class of persons enjoying superior intellectual or social or economic status.(Webster)

Lloyd's Lexicon;
Elite - Those who 'think' that by virtue of their ancestry, money, education, or political status, that they are 'entitled' to rule, determine, manipulate, or otherwise interfere in the lives or destiny of others.

Example: Col. Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi

Mr. Qadhafi is one of the only people in the world to move 'officially' from 'revolutionary', to 'dictator', to 'terrorist', and now to 'elite'.

For the purpose of this example we will discuss Mr. Qadhafi's move from 'terrorist' to 'elite'. After the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, Libya was designated a 'terrorist state, and was subsequently through the conviction of its agent, Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, confirmed as such. In August 2003, Libya fulfilled the remaining UNSCR requirements, including acceptance of responsibility for the actions of its officials and payment of appropriate compensation($2Billion) to the victims' families. UN sanctions were lifted on September 12, 2003. U.S. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)-based sanctions were lifted September 20, 2004. Libya has also signed the IAEA Additional Protocol and has become a State Party to the Chemical Weapons Convention. These were important steps toward full diplomatic relations between the U.S. and Libya. UN sanctions were lifted on September 12, 2003. U.S. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA)-based sanctions were lifted September 20, 2004.(see http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5425.htm )
In 2008, Mr. Qadhafi was formally invited to Paris, London, and other European capitals as a rehabilitated terrorist. I cannot, at this time determine if this has ever happened before in modern history. Possibly Mr. Idi Amin would qualify(do your research!).
Therefore 'it is my opinion' that Mr. Qadhafi now qualifies as an 'elite' member of the Empire.

Why? Why? Why? THe families of those lost on Flight Pan Am 103 ask today. Why?

So, at the risk of my life, I will give you the answer, and if you do your research carefully you will discover the truth of my words.

The Empire has to reconsolidate it colonial posture on the African continent. They have brokered a deal with Mr. Qadhafi 'not to interfere' with this agenda. With the largest and best trained, and most loyal military in Africa it is imperitive that the Libyan Army does not interfere with the agents of the Empire as they destabilize governments on the continent opposed to them or possibly leaning in the direction of Chinese opportunism. Now the US is free to maneuver its new AFRICOM command throughout Central and Southern Africa. I have yet to confirm that the growth of Islamic movements throughout North Africa is associated with this deal, but the circumstantial evidence is compelling.

Now I ask you; has Fidel Castro 'ever' abandoned the revolution for any gratuity or favor from the Empire? I know your answer pertains to the USSR, but it doesn't hold water because where has he assisted them to subjugate the people of Latin America? How many Latin Americans have been killed by Russian troops. What countries have been formally 'occupied' by Russian troops? BS is just that, and if you cannot recognize it just take a whiff....smilies/tongue.gif
Adriana A.
written by Lloyd Cata, February 28, 2010
(please forgive my rough translation)
Reinaldo Azevedo(Feb. 27, 2010)
Many people may not like what I write, and I can understand why. I accuse this or that, do not give a damn. Just can not accuse me of lack of clarity. I have written more than once that the election of 2010 will be tough.


I definitely like his stylesmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif, and we agree on 2010.

What will prevent the EVIL imperialistic countries to explore other countries' people? The answer is: THE LAW. And A JUST JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

...and I am sure you have seen my words have been identical.smilies/cool.gif
Reply to Breckenfeld
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, February 28, 2010

Breckenfeld: CATCH-22 IS A GREAT EXCUSE FOR A COWARD SCOUNDREL


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Ricardo: Your reply shows that you don’t understand what to be in a catch-22 position means.

Anyway, on your reply are you saying that Lula or I is the target of your posting? - CATCH-22 IS A GREAT EXCUSE FOR A COWARD SCOUNDREL

Who are you calling a “COWARD SCOUNDREL”?

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Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, February 28, 2010

I just posted the following info on the Elite Trader Forum in response to the article published over the weekend on the Financial Times (UK) - “US woos Brazil over Iran nuclear dispute” - Published: February 27 /February 28, 2010

“The dispute over Iran’s nuclear programme is casting a shadow over the Americas as Hillary Clinton heads south to push Brazil to take a tougher approach towards Iran.

The US secretary of state will on Sunday embark on a week-long tour of South and Central America. Brazil, which is deepening its ties with Tehran and resisting Washington’s drive for United Nations sanctions, is to be the main focus of attention.”


*****


Israel is "barking on the wrong tree"
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/...ost2748658


… February 28, 2010

SouthAmerica: Here we go again. As the enclosed article said: “…Hillary Clinton heads south to push Brazil to take a tougher approach towards Iran.”

How about if she takes the time to discuss a tougher approach towards Israel – a country that sends death squads to other countries to assassinate people?….

The article also said: … Mrs Clinton also sent out a coded message to Brazil when she expressed her fears this month that Iran was “moving toward a military dictatorship”.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad should be pleased that Mrs. Clinton is in the process of promoting him to the rank of general in the Iranian armed forces…

Or Mrs. Clinton has something else in mind more in line with the coup of 1953 of Iran which is the CIA's (Central Intelligence Agency) first successful overthrow of a foreign government – when the CIA installed on behalf of the United States a dictatorship in Iran of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.

The Islamic government of Ayatollah Khomeini supported terrorist attacks against American interests largely because of the long American history of supporting the shah's suppressive regime. Even under more moderate rulers, many Iranians still resent the United States' role in the coup and its support of the shah.

It seems to me that the United States really like to interferer in the domestic affairs of Iran and the US government goes out of its way to pressure other countries (in this case Brazil) to also play these dirty games.

I wonder what would be the American people reaction if the Iranian government were playing the same game and were trying to overthrow the US government to replace it with some form of Islamic government?

I wonder who gave the United States the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Iran and Americans have been playing that game since 1953 with disastrous results for the Iranian people.

In my opinion President Lula should tell Hillary Clinton in a very polite way: stop being a nuisance and why don’t you “Get Lost” or go and play your old games in Iraq or Afghanistan?

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written by Baen Brodie, February 28, 2010
Dr. Cata; the Cuban people own Cuba? Give me a break. The Cuban people own Cuba in the same manner as the people of Zimbabwe own Zimbabwe.

Zapata "chose" to end his life? Again, give me a break.

You hold up Italy and Great Britain as bastions of democracy? Where in Ethiopia, north Africa, or the Russian steppes did Italy reveal itself as a democratic bastion? Wasn't it in the lifetime of several of my relatives that Italy flew bombing missions against Great Britain as a hack of the Nazis?
And Great Britain is a democracy? Last time I checked they had a queen and the general population were called "subjects." If Great Britain is a democracy, it is a sordid democracy. Need I name Ireland, Scotland, India, the near whole of Africa, especially their government sanctioned slaughter of the innocents in South Africa as examples of oppression? And this would be just the beginning of my list.

The world is changing, Dr. Cata, and I fear not for the better. When countries such as Brazil find justification for embracing thugs, thieves, presidents for life, dictators, and theological despots under the guise of discovering "balance", something is truly ary. Honduras is just the beginning.

Brazil doesn't need to get in step with the rest of the world; it can be different; it can be better. Brasil knows what it needs: governmental, land, and agriculture reform, a real non-alignment international policy, educational investment and a jobs program for Brazilians, not the French. The NRA of any country is not the problem, Dr. Cata, neglect and oppression are.

And one more thing before I get off my rant; Brazil needs to question Chinese involvement in anything and everything. What is China taking from the area that can not be kept in South America and turned into a national resource? Brazil should not become China's breadbasket; instead, it should become China's shopping center.

Again, just my thoughts. Thanks for allowing me to rant.smilies/smiley.gif
Between The Lines....The Empire Shows Its Hand In Genocide
written by Lloyd Cata, February 28, 2010
For our friends who continuously shout about genocide in Rwanda and Congo here is the end-game of the Empires hand in both.

(note: Sarkozy advises his host not to worry about French justice)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/world/europe/26france.html?scp=3&sq=sarkozy&st=cse

This is how its done in the 'real' world! Outright genocide, millions slaughtered, and the victor picking up the spoils. The French never had to fire a shot, just 'destabilize' and have 'local elites' do the dirty work.

No thank you! I'd settle for Fidel...and if Obama fails to recognise the truth then the genocide to follow will be on his head.
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written by Baen Brodie, February 28, 2010
Dr. Cata, will you please clarify who you believe is the evil empire? We might, at last, find ourselves in some agreement.smilies/grin.gif I, myself, am perhaps a bid wary of everyone; are you considering the "empire" only the west? I'm only a beginning student of this blog. Thanks.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, February 28, 2010

Again, just my thoughts. Thanks for allowing me to rant.


Your rant sounds like music into my ears, Capt.Brodie and hence you don't have to apologize. Our distinguished blogger Mr.Amaral, you and I may have something in common with the full approval of Dr.Cata. Except that I don't agree with Ricardo about this "China Trade" nor with Lloyd´s constant extolling the virtues of his hero Mr.Casto. Though I must confess that Lloyd has a point there about Col.Qaddafi, Ricardo on Israel and both of them having "slight reservations" about the "French Connection". Ricardo has maintained that the Americans were always taken for a sucker ride by the French and now we find our erudite scholar Lloyd mentioning about Sarko (who BTW is a Hungarian French, just like the Yanks have a Kenyan American for their President). I think that the Americans and French have outsourced their administration to foreigners and I am sure you would readily agree with me.

Now, we are on the verge of outsourcing our government to a Bulgarian Brasilian, with the blessings of the Holy See, Tel Aviv, Putin, PBO, Champs-Élysées, etc; The situation is quite confusing and hopefully in the new decade, all will be clarifies.

But..But.. what caught my attention was your blunt statement about HM, the Queen Liz. Nobody remembers that she is the longest ruling dictator and compared to her, Gen.Castro and Col.Qaddafi are mere amateurs. Didn't she take over the British government in 1953, without shedding a single drop of British blood, but..but... millions of gallons of blood of others.

I see that Dr.Cata is caught in a pincer movement and am afraid that he can not wriggle out this time. We need complete explanations from him justifying his erratic and blind support for Castro dynasty.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, February 28, 2010
Joao! Please, don't even get me started about Britain, Israel and the Middle-east; another British travesty! I had ancestors whose land was confiscated in Scotland by our friends the English. They were given the choice between eternal imprisonment and leaving. They left.
And yes, you are right. It seems very strange to me to live in a country led by someone who declares that one of the most remarkable constitutions in the world is fundamentally flawed. However, I think the president's contribution to a new, "socialist" America will pass into history with all the glory of another Jimmy Carter.
And, I also agree with Dr. Cata about the mad Colonel, another travesty of both common sense and justice. Something in my heart rebels against presidents for life, dictators, and theocratic despots. I put them on the same level as revisionist socialists and communists whose sole desire and purpose seems to preempt God and common sense and force upon the people their unique brand of "human rights."
I am afraid that good folks such as Dr. Cata and President Obama possess a certain eloquence that can easily humble the masses. For instance, I hear that the state of Iowa, which brags about its high scholarly standards, fell head over heels for Obama's charm. Once again, no one read between the lines or paid attention to the big picture. I fear such neglect will repeat itself over and over in so many countries.
Just another thought, beyond the differences I have with Dr. Cata, I feel that I will be getting far more from him in the future then he will ever get from my narrow-minded, human-rights dominated perspective. I am enjoying the blog. We think we might enjoy catching Dr. Cata, but something tells me that few can hold him!smilies/cheesy.gif
Reply to Ricardo Amaral
written by Breckenfeld, February 28, 2010
Who else could be the coward scoundrel? Lula of course.
Maybe I do not understand very well the meaning of a catch-22 situation. But catch-22 or not Lula should take a stand befitting his past as one who fought against even went on a hunger strike during the miltary dictatorship in Brazil. He is the leader of a democratic nation and even if he condemned the Cuban crimes without any practical result he woould be doing what is expected of decent president in this regard. No condemnation and omission makes him an accomplice to the crimes committed in Cuba. By the way, Lula is not a catch-22 situation. He is cynical like any leftist (especially in Latin America) who politcs-wise wants to convey a tough image just by being against all American postions or policies. As for interference in the internal affair of another country, I simply do not know what you call the greatest embarassment ever we had to go through because of the Honduras snafu. As for Iran, Lula should also take a stand. Ahmadinejad has recently called for the destruction of Israel and The US which are by the way friends of Brazil... Should Brazil not defend its friends ? Where is Lula? Sitting on the lap of criminals in Cuba (Lolrof). He is a cynical and coward scoundrel.
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written by João da Silva, February 28, 2010

As for Iran, Lula should also take a stand. Ahmadinejad has recently called for the destruction of Israel and The US which are by the way friends of Brazil... Should Brazil not defend its friends


While the U.S. and Israel may be friends of Brasil, Iran is certainlynot Brasil´s enemy. It is bad foreign policy to take sides in the conflicts between two countries with whom we have friendly relationship. Let me point out that while the U.S. does not have diplomatic relationship with Cuba, her northern neighbor and friend Canada has.

I agree with you that we got a bloody nose in the Honduran affair and Lula´s comments regarding Zapata´s death were in bad taste. Especially more annoying is the fact that he has a Minister for "Human Rights" who is another leftist and has not said a word about the incident. This minister seems to be more interested in coming out with a "plano" (PNDH-3) to prosecute the dead generals than defending the rights of the living citizens.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, February 28, 2010

The Islamic government of Ayatollah Khomeini supported terrorist attacks against American interests largely because of the long American history of supporting the shah's suppressive regime.


Did Ayatollah´s government really support the "terrorist" attacks immediately after the overthrow of the Shah? According to what I read, the Ayatollahs did not have anything against the U.S. except the request to stop interfering in their internal affairs as well as the support to the Shah. However, Jimmy Carter, under the "advice" of Zbigniew Brzezinski decided to take a hard stance against the enemy of his "amigo" Shah and the rest is history.

Our new fellow blogger Mr.Brodie has made some interesting comments about "Britain,Israel and the Middle East" and made an "indirect" comparison of Jimmy Carter and Obama. Worth paying attention to his words of wisdom.smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

BTW, it is time for you to publish another article!
Follow The Money....The House 'Always' Wins
written by Lloyd Cata, February 28, 2010
Baen Brodie - Dr. Cata, will you please clarify who you believe is the evil empire? We might, at last, find ourselves in some agreement. I, myself, am perhaps a bid wary of everyone; are you considering the "empire" only the west?

Quite astute my friend to bring 'her majesty' into the equation. You may not remember my admiration for the picture of Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill(which Obama slipped to mention at the summit; "Wouldn't it be easy if it was only them who would have to decide on the fate of the world?". His masters were not pleased with that remark, to be sure. However, he did reveal that it was them who divided up the world and proceeded to consolidate their 'spheres of influence'.
HM the Queen was not about to forsake her 'royal' family throughout Europe, so the deal was broken with the Communists(the Russian royals were history), but the French, German, Spanish, and other royals could be saved, and so they were, quietly. In US history books we see the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, but was that actually true?
Follow the money, my friend. Think of it as a poker game...who is at the table?...who runs the 'house'...what are the 'table stakes'?...who wants to 'get into the game'?...how much is the cost of a seat at the table(and is Brazil willing to ante up)?

João da Silva - I think that the Americans and French have outsourced their administration to foreigners.
HM, the Queen Liz. Nobody remembers that she is the longest ruling dictator and compared to her, Gen.Castro and Col.Qaddafi are mere amateurs. Didn't she take over the British government in 1953
We need complete explanations from him justifying his erratic and blind support for Castro dynasty


Certainly being from Native American ancestry has much influence in my psyche. We are not a people given to 'democratic values'. Our world, and the world of other Indigenous Peoples have survived throughout time without such 'foreign' customs. You see, we did not need the God of the Empire. Our God brought us leaders, good and bad, but always foremost was the 'survival' of the people, and that we did...until 'others' came to our world. Now wherever they go, our people die. Genocide, drugs, alcoholism, disease follows them wherever they go. This still continues to this day. Some say our God has deserted us for our ways, but this is their lie to cover their own godless activities.

Every death at the hands of Cuba is 'celebrated' as a failure of socialism, so I am not surprised by the uproar over this latest show of outrage. The Empire slaughters millions and only when one of theirs gets caught in the crossfire is it even mentioned. What depths of hypocrisy must be reached before we are shamed into recognition. I have just shown you the absolute evidence of the Empires genocide, but you always want more. I will not listen to the media outcry over the 'stupidity' of the death of Mr. Zapata when the lives of millions are being exterminated at the hands of the truly godless tyrants on the planet. Yes, it was stupid of the Castro's to allow Mr. Zapata to 'kill himself' and create a martyr for their critics,
You see socialism for me is genetic, not ideology. Fidel Castro(and I do not know his brother) has never betrayed his respect for 'my' people. I would plead his case before my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ(who IMHO was a 'perfect' socialist).

My explanation, I am sure, is imperfect as I am also. It is only a sign of respect for this forum that I would even offer such explanation. What I have found most enlightening in life is that the truth is usually in the mirror.smilies/wink.gif
loydy
written by asp, February 28, 2010
while there were no soviet troops in south ameirica, since the 30's they had spies and a former kgb agent agent gave an interview on a cable channel and said the kgb had agents in the military, the media, the universities and the congress.

they were definitly pouring a lot of money into cuba to train and receive revolutionaries from around the world who were just trying to spread the failed ideology.

the usa never had troops on the ground in south america , and they are held up to a lot of ridicule for their participation. its just extreme hypocracy to not hold the soviet union and cuba up to the same ridicule for their participation in the confusion of the cold war in south america.

its really sad to hear you spout your crap about "patriots" and there need to rise up and be prepared to "fight " if nescasary.sad? actualy it makes me gag to hear this kind of bs. that is the crap that really is at the bottom of people taking up arms and getting themselves and the people around them sluaghtererd. people dont need to take up arms to deal with "the empire (yeah i dont know what the f**k that means either)" , they can bring it to its knees in so many other ways.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, February 28, 2010

What I have found most enlightening in life is that the truth is usually in the mirror.


Especially, when we stand in front of our respective ones.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
As$
written by Lloyd Cata, February 28, 2010
( http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/r...tions.html )

Why I bother trying to educate you is the real source of confusion in this forum.smilies/sad.gif

I've shown you mine. Now show me yours...
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, February 28, 2010

( http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/r...tions.html )


This link proves that there was not and has never been an U.S. intervention in Brasil! Our generals whom you called "scoundrels" would be pleased.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Why Zapata?
written by Adriana A.,, March 01, 2010
Because this thread is about him.

Why not talk about the EVIL EMPIRE USA?
Because we all know about it. We all know Iraque war was a mistake and the reasons to go to war was based in lies. Although, I would not have wanted to be living under Sattan Russein's rule.

Maybe Zapata would have died there and we would never have known it, but because Lula was going there -"THE MAN"-, Cuba Human Rights group asked Lula to help; and he didn't, and instead said BS.

So why we are not talking about the EVIL EMPIRE in this thread? Because we all know and we all talk about the CRIMES of the U.S., but we never talk and many do not know about the CRIMES of the Castro's Brothers. I also read that Human Rights Groups are already asking Lula to help in anyway he can when meeting with the Iranian President this May. I have said before, I will be doing lot's of meditation and Yoga in May.

RIP ZAPATA.
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 01, 2010
Sorry, my friend, but...but...

( http://en.mercopress.com/2009/...ilean-coup )

Sometimes the mirror is not kind to us, yet 'it is what it is'.

No direct invasion does not mean non-intervention, and that is why Lula is acting against them now. He knows all this intimately and I'm sure Dilma has not forgotten her ordeal. Watch carefully during the next several months as there will be 'signs' for those who are aware.
Everyone went ga-ga about my mention of the NRA. It was just an 'example' of intervention in Brazilian political affairs. The next intervention will not be so subtle. Remember, "Brazil is the prize!" and nobody in Washington is pleased with the current and possible future leadership.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 01, 2010
I thought Brasil always maintained an innocent, "non-alignment" policy! Imagine that. And it sought help from one of the evil empires, too!
Dr. Cata, I'm not sure what the above proves; however, it was interesting. Are you trying to show Brasil's complicity in exerting its influence upon its neighbors or that it invited cooperation with Nixon, of all people, or as an example of non-invasion intervention?
I can only imagine that Brasil has inserted a little influence in America for some time, especially when it comes to firearms. Years ago, I received a tuned Springfield .45 as a birthday present. It is an excellent firearm and I would stake my life on it. Springfield is also a well-known American name when it comes to firearms.
Imagine my shock when I discovered in tiny scrolled letters on the frame, "MADE IN BRAZIL." Something tells me that America is a market the Brasilian firearms industry has its teeth sunk deeply into.
who is the dumb one?
written by asp, March 01, 2010
lloydy , south america is not central america and i said the kgb in south america is the same as the cia in south america

that you condemn the usa for cia in south america but wont say anything bad about cuba and the soviets speaks to your butt f**ked hypocricy, which can kiss my ass

you are the stupid hypocritical one
hey cata buttt
written by asp, March 01, 2010
we already know about this information. doesnt your think stupid skull get it? it was the cold f**king war,cuba and the soviets were every bit as much involved in trying to get a foot hold in south america to spread their flawed ideology.

the soviets failed miserably colapsing under the weight of their flawed communiscm....dont you get it? elected leaders were starting to lean towards being satalites of the future failed ideology of the soviets.

"Vernon Walters, a polyglot, had close contacts with the Brazilian military: he had been the liaison between the Brazilian expeditionary forces fighting next to US forces in Italy during Second World War II. The promotions of young Brazilian officers who fought in Italy were later involved in the 1964 coup. "

these generals faught nazis along side the americans, they knew how f**ked up totalitarion governing is. yes, they did dirty things in the cold war. it wasnt pretty. but ,the people they were going after trained in cuba and china and the soviet union for armed revolution to bring in a flawed ideology. unfortunatly a lot of innocent people were tortured and killed. this is bad.but the goal of the armed guerilas was a much worse fate...they were crushed

now democracies have come back to bite the commie haters in the ass
asp
written by João da Silva, March 01, 2010

Glad to see you have come out of our Cabana hideout to scold Dr.Cata in your colorful language.smilies/cheesy.gif

Here is a link that will certainly interest you:

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...7517,0.php
yeah joao
written by asp, March 01, 2010
for sure there were people arming themselves to kidnap, rob banks , set off bombs and kill people in armed conflict. they were really a minority of people.

they werent there to play paddy cake with brazilian society.

yes, the military came down hard, too hard, but, these armed followers of communism would have stopped at nothing to get what they wanted

its so funny, lloydy brings in his chart trying to say there were troops in south america (not central america , damnit) and only a case in argentina in the 1800's comes up as thelast time american troops were in south america

but i bring in charts showing communisim is responsible for millions and millions of deaths , but, this guy sluffs that off, and implies that people should be ready to arm themselves and die to fight the empire

all you have to do is "not buy" and you can bring any corporation to its knees, but, here is cata promoting violence and death as a solution.this is the mentality that keeps violent confrontations in the world alive and well
asp
written by João da Silva, March 01, 2010

all you have to do is "not buy" and you can bring any corporation to its knees,


It is funny you mentioned this. I follow and preach this principle. Believe it or not, I try to avoid buying goods made in PRC, though it is becoming more and more difficult to do so these days. I also switched to other banks when the one where I had my account were privatized by Mr.FHC & CO. Civil disobedience is a more powerful weapon than the firearms.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 01, 2010
I believe that I might have missed something because I'm new to the blog, but is Dr. Cata promoting violence and murder because of his admiration for Castro's communism and socialism in general? I didn't understand that. I also agree with Joao concerning banks and as to the origin of where I buy my goods. However, the selection seems to be narrowing. I also agree that civil disobedience is a more powerful weapon than the firearm , except when someone is shooting at you.
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 01, 2010
"Penso que a solução para o impasse da esquerda seria o estabelecimento de uma Frente que se fortalecesse na prática. Não vejo como se fortalecer parada", escreve Lamarca num dos textos. "Estamos vivendo um momento histórico fundamental para o processo. A classe dominante está em ofensiva política - temos de desmascarar essa ofensiva. Não podemos dar o tempo à burguesia, tempo que ela precisa para, através da propaganda, neutralizar o proletariado", acrescenta.

I am not sure what he means here. It appears to me that he wants to solidify the the opposition before the 'ruling class' and the 'bourgeoisie' can use their propaganda, and organs of propaganda, to counter the opposition. It has real relevance to what is happening today, no? Maybe I should use his term 'bourgeoisie' instead of 'elites' since some friends find that term objectionable.smilies/smiley.gif

Boyo, am I sorry to use that NRA reference to make an 'analogy' to political interference from foreigners. I have no opposition to gun ownership as a 'civil right', but I understand how it was misunderstood.smilies/sad.gif
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written by asp, March 01, 2010
lacerda , the military guy who joined the fight against the dictatorship, is saying they should unify their front and do action , not sitting around to organise.

he sais we are living in an historical moment, the dominante class is in and offensive and we need to under cut them, we cant let the burgosies have the time to do their propaganda, time they need to neutralize the prolatariot
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 01, 2010
but is Dr. Cata promoting violence and murder because of his admiration for Castro's communism and socialism in general?

It is no secret in this forum that I have participated, through ignorance, as a young man in violence and murder during war. I have never 'promoted' violence and murder, nor do I believe it to be the optimum solution.
But...but...I refer you to a great American Sen. Barry Goldwater, who said, "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
Liberty and justice are 'inherently' the rights of all humanity, under any political or ideological system. They not issues of the right or the left. Both have fallen short of the ideal, and both have used violence and murder to advance 'their' ideological platforms. As for communism, let me just say that I'm not going to be 'red-baited' by anyone, including asp-holes who go around smashing mirrors.smilies/shocked.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 01, 2010

I am not sure what he means here.


ASP has translated correctly what Captain.Lacerda meant. Do not sit around, but act. Lacerda´s story is interesting. Came from not a well to do family, joined the Army to better his life and then became a "revolutionary". Supposed to have killed another officer who was trying to capture him alive. Finally, he was killed by one of his own superior officers.

It is much more interesting to observe that the leftist civilian "rulers" of today do not mention about him in their speeches nor defend his actions.May be because he came from a poor family. On the contrary, some members of the 'bourgeoisie' participated in violence and armed robberies. A few of them ran away to live in exile and came back to get important posts in the "leftist" government.One of them remained here, became an important minister and now is running for the elected job of country´s CEO.

I always wondered why Patty Hearst or Jane Fonda did not run for the job of the POTUS.After all women members of the 'bourgeoisie' do make good "leftist revolutionaries", dont they? smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
No Media Outrage Of African Genocide
written by Lloyd Cata, March 01, 2010
So now the French poodle Sarkozy admits to 'grave errors' resulting in the genocide in Rwanda and Congo and the media simply sweeps it into the trash of history.
US military intervention in Latin America is so 'ordinary' now that it would not be extraordinary if US troops invaded Venezuela 'defending democracy' while overthrowing an 'elected' leader. Is it no wonder, and many analysts have concurred, that the Russians invade Georgia and it is 'just another superpower prerogative' in their 'sphere of influence'.
Is it no wonder Iran wants nuclear capability, and Brazil absolutely refuses to modify its nuclear independence?

So, I look at 'tiny' Cuba against the economic and military oppression of the US. Children in Cuba go to school, children in Cuba do not go to bed hungry, and they are not preyed upon by drug dealers and gangs. Where have the superpowers done that for 'your' children, what they do not even do for their own children?
"When we no longer have the sense to be outraged by injustice then we are not deserving of freedom."
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written by Baen Brodie, March 01, 2010
Dr. Cata, I don't know what i can believe when it comes to Castro; there are certain philosophical differences, but so far, his autobiography, "My Life" is very interesting reading.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 01, 2010

but so far, his autobiography, "My Life" is very interesting reading.


I thought "My Life" was written by Bill Clinton narrating his affair with Monika Brezenski in sordid details.smilies/wink.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 01, 2010
Joao, I have a huge pile of books to read in my life, and Bill Clinton's escape novel is there, too; somewhere near the bottom. smilies/grin.gif
no one, especialy me condemns you for what you did in viet nam, lloyd...
written by asp, March 01, 2010
did you hear the lates on the news? just caught the end of the report, help me out people when you hear the details. hugo chavez was linced to some plot to assisnate uribe of colombia.

i keep telling you there have been no usa troops invading south america. fool yourself if you want.

cuba can get anything it wants in many places in the world

they tell their people what to do, they torture them and allow them to rot in prison if they are dissadents, they sentance the people to rations at the super markets, with lack of supplies, they tell them what doctor they have to go to with no freedom of choice, they censor you and tell you how to live your life

who is worried about muggers and drugs when there is big brother with thier fingers up your ass....the prostitutes , who were the biggest thing the screamers of the revolution thought were eliminated with the over throw of baptista, are alive and well in the big gringo hotels the cubans cant go to...

sorry lloyd, its your condemn the united states for having cia in south america but wont condemn the cia and cuba, the star war avatar romantic conspiricy fantacy web you weave about the evil empire with out ackowledging imperialism personified in castro and hugo,wont ackowledge 81 percent of crack cocaine busted in south america is heading into brazil witch farc has a hand in among others , and they are hooked up with huge drug gangs decimating the quality of life in the big cities and various other locations in brazil...that is what is wrong with your point of veiw...a preening hypocracy
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written by Baen Brodie, March 01, 2010
Type in Youtube-then type in, "Tucano T-27 Shooting Down Drug Dealers Aircraft."
What is wrong with this video?
Number one, it is a Brazilian T-27 Tucano.
Number two, it is being flown by a Peruvian pilot.
Number three, the drug airplane is escaping to the frontier.
Number four, Brazil is the frontier!
Number five, where is the Brazilian Air Force and its Tucano? It should be orbiting the border waiting its turn to backup the Peruvian pilot.
It is clear the Peruvian pilot is hurrying before the drug runners escape to Brazil.

Where is the Brazilian Air Force? Probably looking at airplane magazines of pretty, sexy French fighter planes that will be useless to protect Brazil's borders from the real threat. Brazil should be grateful for the dogged determination of the Peruvian and Columbian Air Force.
correction
written by asp, March 01, 2010
"you wont condemn the cia and cuba..." should be "you wont condemn the kgb and cuba..."
asp is this what you talked about?
written by Adriana A.,, March 02, 2010
Dilma
written by Adriana A.,, March 02, 2010
I agree with Lloyd about Dilma; not many people are happy about her. However, these people are from her inner circle. I sense that if she wins (god forbid) she may become a female version of Collor.

But her temperament does not help. It is well known that Gabrielle (his last name) the Petrobras' President once left a meeting crying because of her. She is very rude and authoritarian -nothing new. Last year someone (I forgot his name) left the government because of her, and he actually said it was because of her. She does not like Franklin Martins -our Joseph Goebbels. She also said that in her Govern the PMDB will not enjoy the power they have now. The PMDB's president responded in a threating way, something like this, "she doesn't know whom she is playing with".

And I can guess why. There is something rotten going on between Petrobras, PMDB, and PT. Even Ciro Gomes said something about that recently. There was the Petrobras's CPI (investigation)that the opposition parties wanted to create, the government party totally opposed it and Lina Viera was sacked -for the sake of argument, I am simplifying.

Moreover, it is documented a closed door meeting with Lula, Sarney, and Dilma. Some people suggest that Sarney may have threatened Lula in case he did not support him in his many corruption allegations. After that meeting Lula and Dilma threw their support for Sarney, something that eraged many PT members and politicians like Supplicy, and Mercadante (he almost left the party as well as Supplicy). That was the worst thing I ever saw. Lula would not risk his public support to help Sarney (the entire Brazil was shocked) if there was not serious business going on between PMDB, PT, and Petrobras.

Add to this equation her incompetence, lack of experience, arrogance, lies, lack of charisma, lack of communication skills, radical views, you name it. In another words; a recipe for disaster.

Now, worse case cenario; if she betrays Lula. The pupil rebeling against her master, a CLASSICAL EXAMPLE! Maybe Lula will prove his own venom. He will be the new FHC. I am not wishing that because this would be a huge distraction and possibly a political turmoil with dangerous consequences to Brazil. It is just based on my observations, take it with a grain of salt though.

RIP Zapata
When Lies Are Allowed To Flourish....
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
south america is not central america
the usa never had troops on the ground in south america


Argentina 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength
Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region
Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Colombia2009Troops Drug interdiction

wont say anything bad about cuba and the soviets

That (Cuban) regime is 'responsible' for the death of Mr Zapata. Any death, while in custody of the state, should be condemned.
Right now that (Cuban) framework is not beneficial to either the 'people' or those wishing to invest in Cuba.
Too often injustice of one type is advocated as an alternative to injustice of another. Mr. Zapata is a victim of just such injustice, and that does not advance the cause of justice for anyone.

the soviets failed miserably colapsing under the weight of their flawed communiscm

I'm not going to be 'red-baited' by anyone, including asp-holes who go around smashing mirrors. You do know what 'red-baiting' is, right? BTW, there is that little Google thing for your continuing education. Appears your CIA handlers have you in an endless loop on this Communism thing.smilies/cheesy.gif

yes, they did dirty things in the cold war. it wasnt pretty. but ,the people they were going after trained in cuba and china and the soviet union for armed revolution to bring in a flawed ideology. unfortunatly a lot of innocent people were tortured and killed. this is bad.but the goal of the armed guerilas was a much worse fate...they were crushed now democracies have come back to bite the commie haters in the ass

OOOooooooo....so much is excused and explained by "the Cold War"...OOOOOoooo...just like over a million Iraqis are dead for "the War on Terror". I suppose when innocent Brazilians are dead because of "the War on Drugs", you'll 'excuse that too. Good thing Cuba doesn't have that problem or they would have been nuked long ago. Oops, we never mention the 'only' ones to use nukes...my bad! smilies/shocked.gif

its so funny, lloydy brings in his chart trying to say there were troops in south america (not central america , damnit) and only a case in argentina in the 1800's comes up as thelast time american troops were in south america

Not my chart, but you are free to dispute the truth...it would, at least show your consistency.

but i bring in charts showing communisim is responsible for millions and millions of deaths

Perhaps your charts should be relevant to 'post' Cold War 'world-wide' mass murder. Trouble is some people will spend time upgrading their technology without upgrading their thinking, or perhaps the Communists succeeded in making them brain-dead.smilies/cheesy.gif

here is cata promoting violence and death as a solution.this is the mentality that keeps violent confrontations in the world alive and well

(Again)I have never 'promoted' violence and murder, nor do I believe it to be the optimum solution.

i keep telling you there have been no usa troops invading south america. fool yourself if you want.

(see above) That 'endless loop' is like the rabbit at the dog-track...a tricky thing that rabbit smilies/cheesy.gif

81 percent of crack cocaine busted in south america is heading into brazil witch farc has a hand in among others , and they are hooked up with huge drug gangs decimating the quality of life in the big cities and various other locations in brazil.

At least 'try' to educate yourself; ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking ). Oh, and Brazil's drug situation seems to follow closely the American model, but that's just my suspicious mind at work. You see, since it's not stuck in 1950's rhetoric, I'm free to explore yesterday, today, and tomorrow. smilies/wink.gif

On a final note: Notice that asp-hole wants to 'narrow' the conversation to South America, but fails to realize that most of the world is not so narrow-minded smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 02, 2010
Dr. Cata, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call your bluff on your remark that America had "Nuclear-threat" bombers in Uruguay in 1947. The only airplane in the world qualified to carry a nuclear bomb in 1947 was the B-29. The Unit was the 509th based Roswell, New Mexico. In addition, nuclear weapons were in the infancy, and there were scant few of them! Indeed, even the United States Air Force wasn't permitted to have access to nuclear weapons at the time, as they were controlled by another agency of the government.

However, there may, indeed, have been American bombers in Uruguay at the time, for America was powering down from WWII at the time, and every American airplane used during the war was for sale in 1947. For instance, records show that Uruguay did purchase the popular B-25, as did many countries. It could have been purchased in surplus condition for as little as a few thousand dollars, and many countries did buy them. Brazil, for instance, purchased many, many surplus American aircraft for their air force, as did nearly every country in South and Latin America. Brand new fighters could be purchased for as little as 1,200.00 dollars from the air force, complete with fuel. The amazing story of Bill Lear's 17 year-old son and his huge twin-engine p-38 makes enjoyable reading. Imagine picking up your sister from college and flying her home each weekend in your own 400 mph fighter plane, but such was America after WWII. In mass, bombers could be purchased for as little as 50.00 dollars and driven directly to the smelter, destroyed , and recycled. Anyone, even properly licensed children could legally buy the latest bomber or fighter for their own personal use.
So, your statement that American bombers could be found in Uruguay in 1947 is hardly remarkable. However, to insist that they were stationed there as part of a nuclear threat from America needs more investigation.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

Where is the Brazilian Air Force? Probably looking at airplane magazines of pretty, sexy French fighter planes that will be useless to protect Brazil's borders from the real threat.


Objections Capt.Brodie, for making such derogatory statements against FAB officers.smilies/angry.gif .More likely they were ordered by our ministers not to violate the "human rights" of the drug runners.smilies/sad.gif

On a more serious note: Yesterday, I was reading an article written by a retired Air Force officer (A fighter pilot) who was analyzing the pros and cons of the three fighter planes offered to the Air Force. He discarded the RAFALE and the reasons he gave were not exactly compliments to the French. Then he compares F-18 with Gripen and his final choice is Gripen. His choice were based on Technical and commercial factors, avoiding political reasons.

It is an extremely interesting article and you being an aviator would enjoy reading it if you had sufficient reading skill in Portuguese. In brief, he shares our viewpoints.smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 02, 2010
Why value the opinions of a fighter pilot? What do they know about flying fighter planes?smilies/cheesy.gif
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
Dr. Cata, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call your bluff on your remark that America had "Nuclear-threat" bombers in Uruguay in 1947. The only airplane in the world qualified to carry a nuclear bomb in 1947 was the B-29.

Indeed, that was my error, sir. Just in rechecking; you never know what you might find in 'reading':

The US Office of Public Safety (OPS) began operating in Uruguay in 1965. The US Office of Public Safety trained Uruguayan police and intelligence in policing and interrogration techniques. The Uruguayan Chief of Police intelligence, Alejandro Otero, told a Brazilian newspaper in 1970 that the OPS, especially the head of the OPS in Uruguay, Dan Mitrione, had instructed the Uruguayan police how to torture suspects, especially with electrical implements.

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written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

Why value the opinions of a fighter pilot? What do they know about flying fighter planes?


And what do they understand about "Strategic Partnerships"?smilies/wink.gif
thanks adriana , that is it, just more proof of blatent hypocracy with hugo and farc
written by asp, March 02, 2010
"Argentina 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength
Chile 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts democratically elected Marxist president
Bolivia 1987 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region
Venezuela 2002 Command operation Failed coup attempt to remove left-populist president Hugo Chavez
Colombia2009Troops Drug interdiction "

only the facts in the 1800's have any validity of troops trying to maintain some presence . in colombia, any service men are there by invitation to advise

the cia isnt troops , wooden head, and your hypocrysy knows no bounds if you condemn the usa and not condemn the soviets with the kgb . i am not trying to diminish what the usa did at all to south america in the cold war, i am just saying you are hypocrytical to not condemn the kgb and cuba also....ridiculasly so...

not one of the 81 percent of crack being busted headed for brazil is from the cia....not one of the facts in wikipedia was about coke coming into south america....get for real... talk about being stuck in the 60's....

the soviets colapsed under the weight of a flawed communist system that just didnt work

you have implied things about what "patriots" shoulc be prepared to do against the "evil empire" ,quit jiving, you are wasting a lot of my time i could be spending in the cabana

asp
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
the cia isnt troops

...and Santa Claus is not the Easter Bunny. What's your point?

the soviets colapsed under the weight of a flawed communist system that just didnt work

Agreed! We just await the same fate of the remaining superpower smilies/smiley.gif

not one of the 81 percent of crack being busted headed for brazil is from the cia

...and you know this because...??? Ah, because they must have told you that none of Karzai's heroin is going to Brazil either. When we look for drugs, first we should look at the worlds biggest dealers, no? BTW, since the "War on Drugs" has been going on for more than 20 years and has been a 'complete failure' here in the US, resulting in a war in Mexico worse than Afghanistan, why would you expect FARC to be less successful in Brazil? FARC is the Taliban of South America, ok. How does that work for you?

How about we agree that throughout history those with superpower agendas are doomed to fail? All are guilty and all disregard the inherent rights of humanity. Best to keep them at arms length; and that includes the Chinese!

What we will never agree on is that Cuba/Venezuela is a threat to the independence of 'Latin American' nations and that is precisely what the meetings last month in Cancun, Mexico affirmed, and that is precisely why the US and Canada were excluded. That is the 'present'. The nations of Latin America and the Caribbean are finished with the Monroe Doctrine. Now they have dismissed the carrot(FTAA) and we proceed to see what develops with the stick(7 dirty sisters) in Colombia.

Oh...and about that drug problem. Too bad Brazil hired Guiliani instead of Serpico. Good luck with that!smilies/sad.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

FARC is the Taliban of South America, ok


Excuse me, you are sarcastic in comparing Taliban & FARC, right? And you may have a point there when you mentioned the name of Karzai. For an American, you are well informed, Doc.smilies/wink.gif

When do you intend bringing Dr.Chalabi into picture?smilies/cool.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 02, 2010
Dr. Cata! Your comment about the Chinese being as guilty as any other party partially redeemed you in my eyes!smilies/wink.gif I'm not from Tibet, India, Mongolia, the north of Vietnam, or the western Pacific rim, or even central Africa, but I know trouble when I see it. I just hope that Latin and South America are equally aware, but I doubt it, for super powers often make the most the most irresistible of super promises. We never seem to learn.
war on drugs , a failure......agreed
written by asp, March 02, 2010
super power agendas fail, ....yeah, can agree

nothing at all against the countries meeting and excluding the usa

cuba with soviet backing was a threat, and at least was on the same leval as the usa, for outsiders who meddled with various countries agendas, in south america

the latest news about hugo only piles more wood on the fire that he is meddling with south america and his frantic notions the cia was trying to assaisante him sound especialy tangy with these new revelations

but at least we have some agreement...for gods sake let me get back to the cabana
asp
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

.for gods sake let me get back to the cabana


It is not raining in your part of the country and why are you in such a hurry to get back into your hideout? You stay where you are. Dr.Cata is not finished with you yet.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
Excuse me, you are sarcastic in comparing Taliban & FARC, right?

After more than 40 years in the field FARC becomes the 'imminent' threat to the region? Welllll...I really think one of those FARC boys has stolen our friends favorite whore and the cabana is not rocking the same anymore, but...but...don't quote me on that. smilies/wink.gif

When do you intend bringing Dr.Chalabi into picture?

Actually, Dr. Chalabi is reported to be forging very close ties with Iran, so don't be surprised if he is at the welcoming for Lula when he arrives in Tehran in May. Dr. Chalabi is a very agile and dangerous fish, so don't be shocked by anything this electric eel does. You might remember that Dr. Chalabi was one of the main instigators for war against Saddam.....Hhhmmm
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
Dr. Cata! Your comment about the Chinese being as guilty as any other party partially redeemed you in my eyes!

Thank you, sir, but I confess my sins are many and I suggest you get darker shades smilies/grin.gif

Did you notice the report on Uruguay that the organization involved in the torture was called the "Office of Public Safety"? The American people can be very naive in funding such organizations and the US government is very clever at advertising, so I am hopeful that 'most' Brazilians will keep this in mind when the election propaganda begins.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

I'm not from Tibet, India, Mongolia, the north of Vietnam, or the western Pacific rim, or even central Africa, but I know trouble when I see it.


I got it. You must be from the Antarctic. smilies/shocked.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

Actually, Dr. Chalabi is reported to be forging very close ties with Iran, so don't be surprised if he is at the welcoming for Lula when he arrives in Tehran in May.


Dr.Chalabi is an U.S. citizen too and if he is establishing close ties with Iran, it should be with the blessings of Washington. That proves my point that the U.S. is indeed trying to establish normal relationship with that country. Probably Mr.Lula has been requested to be a go between also. How does my theory sound?smilies/smiley.gif

BTW, your Sec of State is supposed to be here today and quite likely will give some briefing to Mr.L.smilies/cool.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 02, 2010
Joao. I was referring to areas of the world that have felt the immediate assertion of Chinese "human rights" by misconstrued invitation. But if you must know the truth, I always thought I'd make a talented watcher of glaciers and ice bergs. I'm rather dull at times!smilies/cheesy.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
Probably Mr.Lula has been requested to be a go between also. How does my theory sound?

Swiss, Chalabi, Lula, Israel, and who knows how many go-betweens. Must really make Obama's head hurt. I would be smoking too, and the stinky stuff smilies/cheesy.gif I still vote for Oily North...didn't he get the hostages with the Bible and the cake?(Sshhh....don't mention the missiles bought with the Iran-Contra dope money, you'll bring our friend back out of the cabana).smilies/wink.gif

BTW, your Sec of State is supposed to be here today and quite likely will give some briefing to Mr.L.

Chinese just told US to "go straight to hell" about Iran sanctions, so unless Mrs Clinton plans to play 'the Lolita' for Mr Lula, I don't see any change. Even if she does, it will only be a more smiling Lula when he lands in Tehran. smilies/grin.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

But if you must know the truth, I always thought I'd make a talented watcher of glaciers and ice bergs. I'm rather dull at times!


Bright and logical people sound "dull" to "others" but not to their peers. smilies/cheesy.gif

That reminds me of an ex-President of ours who made a famous statement: "I prefer the smell of the horses to that of human beings". He received lot of flak from the press and the "society at large". Not many caught on to the fact that he was referring to the politicians who were arguing and bickering among themselves instead of spending their energy to solve the problems of their voters. Contrary to what people thought about him, he was very bright and had great sense of humor, though didn't have much patience with illogical people.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 02, 2010

Chinese just told US to "go straight to hell" about Iran sanctions,


Capt.Brodie is right. The Chinese don't play by the Queensberry rules.smilies/angry.gif
oily north ...oily, i agree
written by asp, March 02, 2010
no argument about that, and i never argued the cia was not involved with drug runs

im talking about south america and coke and crack flowing in to brazil. what i can tell you with out a doubt that, while brazil has taken steps forward in many areas and shoulc be celibrated, since fernando beira mar was caught with farc back in 2000 or so, there has been a dramatic increase in coke and crack coming into brazil and arms and a serious urban terrorist violence has increased steadily. and crack cocaine has steadily contributed to the decimation of brazilian society...ask joao how his neighborhood is
Enemy Of My Enemy ...
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
So... DEA, CIA, FBI, and assorted other US agencies have been working this drug issue for a generation. Tens of billions of dollars and the best technology in the world. Not even close to a solution!!!

Now this has gone on no matter who is in Washington or Brasilia, correct? Maybe it has gotten worse since 2000. Could that possibly be accidental? OK...benefit of the doubt, accidental.
Remember, this is a WAR, and a WAR calls for generals and a strategy. Innocent people are being killed, addicted, and enslaved around the world...every day! For more than 20 years!

So I humbly ask you, my friends, "How is this possible?" How is it possible that we have satellites that can read your watch from space and we cannot track the movements of drug laden vehicles across borders. Cat & mouse...cat & mouse...cat & mouse. Either the cat is very stupid or the mouse is very smart...those ARE the only 2 choices, right? The 'political' excuse is not enough cats and too many mice...we never have enough resources. Yet, this is a World War, as dangerous and evil as all the tyrants on earth.

Hundreds of billions of dollars are moving from the drug cartels into the financial system. So much money that the drug lords cannot possibly spend their fortunes. They buy and sell governments, of EVERY stripe. They swell the accounts of bankers and industry because the money has to go somewhere! Believe me, Bernie Madoff knows he's safer in prison than answering to all the drug dealers who lost their money and really, being intelligent people, we know that! We know that part of the madness right now in the 'drug industry' is because of all the money lost in the meltdown. In America, we know that much of the 'housing bubble' was inflated with drug money driving up prices. My friends, that is why the banks have to repay their government loans as quickly as possible...they do not want a government partner looking at the 'real books'. Governments talk too much! Give them their 'payoffs' to leave things alone. Pay-off everybody and still have mountains of money. Well, with the financial meltdown, lots of money has been lost to the cartels and now there is a 'real shooting war' for 'market share' and territory.

From the cop-on-the-street, to the chief of police, to the politicians and the judges, and the troops in the field...this is the most phony, corrupt, and malicious WAR in the history of the world...so let's stop fooling ourselves. Let's not pretend and point fingers. This is a problem that spans the globe, and I have said that I do not 'promote' violence and murder, but this is WAR, and the casualties are 'our' children...all of our children. So the only 'known' solution is to finally get serious about exterminating every mouse, in every country...the Chinese solution, Mao's solution, swift and sure, for every drug dealer, every corrupt cop, every corrupt judge and politician, every corrupt government agent involved in drugs.

Many of you know my drug policy in this forum as far as natural crops and altered substances. Farmers and users are not the problem, but anyone proven to be altering natural crops into illegal substances is a death sentence, and anyone found to be in the 'cycle of corruption' is a death sentence. Conviction and death...no exceptions! God help me, there will be innocent casualties, and that is the undeniable history of war, but they will have given their lives to save the society and humanity.It is either WAR or SURRENDER!
If there are drugs on your streets, somewhere there is a cop not doing their job, somewhere there's a judge or politician not doing their job, somewhere there's a soldier not doing their job, and everywhere there is money being passed around.

The neighborhoods I know that have become drug-free are those where drug dealers are afraid of that anonymous bullet from that anonymous citizen. It may sound like a Charles Bronson movie, but I have seen it work and the US Supreme Court is deciding very soon whether this is going to work in Chicago.
....Or Else These Are The Poster Boys For Your Olympics
written by Lloyd Cata, March 02, 2010
( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...043223.ece )

...and don't think the Western media won't use them!
wow lloyd
written by asp, March 02, 2010
nice linc

see, i think the war on drugs isnt working never did , and sure payoffs is why they can get lots of drugs through

but death sentance? that is a little too extreme for me

but, i would like to see drug laws changed. mariguana should be legal, its already proved to have medical benifits in peoples every day dealing with pain

coke , i dont know, its more dangerous. but, no more than alcohol. it would have to be regulated to death and dealt with in a social medecine sence.and im not totaly sure how it would work, but it could. anything is better than what we have now
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 03, 2010

The United States has been interfering in their internal affairs Iran since 1953. The Iranians must be tired of US interference regarding their internal affairs.

Brazil should vote in the UN Security Council against the new sanctions that the United States and Israel are trying to impose against Iran.

In my opinion, Iran has the right to develop nuclear weapons to be able to defend their country.

I found interesting today’s news headlines: “Dubai prosecutor to issue arrest warrants for prime minister of Israel Binyamin Netanyahu and to the head of the country's secret service, Mossad, Meir Dagan.”

The international headlines are very clear about who are the real criminals on this case.


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Dubai: “Israeli premier faces arrest”
Aljazeera.net
March 3, 2010

The head of the Dubai police is planning to seek the arrest of the prime minister of Israel and the head of the country's secret service, Mossad, over the killing of a Hamas leader.

Dhahi Khalfan Tamim told Al Jazeera he would ask the Dubai prosecutor to issue arrest warrants for Binyamin Netanyahu and Meir Dagan this week.

…Dubai police have published details of 26 suspects together with passport photographs, and claim to have DNA evidence of the identity of at least one of the killers.

As a consequence of the assassination, UAE officials say they will prevent Israeli citizens travelling on foreign passports from entering the country.

Dubai police last Sunday issued a statement saying the "killers used the drug succinylcholine to sedate al-Mabhouh before they suffocated him" and that "assassins used this method so that it would seem that his death was natural".

Al-Mabhouh's killing has led investigators to Britain, Ireland, Australia and Germany - countries whose passports the assassins allegedly used.

http://english.aljazeera.net/n...70139.html


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Joao da Silva: BTW, it is time for you to publish another article!


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Ricardo: My new article is 2/3’s done, but the feedback that I am having from the people that I mentioned about the content of my new article has been explosive and people are overreacting about it.

Anyway, I will try to finish it ASAP.

By the way, do you know in which country Lloyd Cata live, and his nationality?

Based on his writing style and skills I would guess he is an American or a Canadian.

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correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 03, 2010

Ricardo: My new article is 2/3’s done, but the feedback that I am getting from the people that I mentioned about the content of my new article has been explosive and people are overreacting about it.

Anyway, I will try to finish it ASAP.
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2010

By the way, do you know in which country Lloyd Cata live, and his nationality?


He is a New Yorker, though I am not sure about his current residential status! I suspect he spent some time in Canada, like many Vietnam veterans did after their return.smilies/wink.gif

My new article is 2/3’s done, but the feedback that I am getting from the people that I mentioned about the content of my new article has been explosive and people are overreacting about it.


Is the article about Brasil? If so and there is overreaction, it must be quite controversial. I am getting curious!
talk about decimation....
written by asp, March 03, 2010
just saw a report on our local news today about 13 year old girl crack addicts getting treatment at a center

they had been turning tricks sometimes

i never would have seen a report like this 10 years ago here.

something horrible has happened in brazil in the last 10 years.

there is no doubt in my mind that this will be one of the real obsticles that have to be addressed in brazil in the near future

"where is this crack coming from?" why arnt polititions and news people really addressing this? i get my facts of the farc hookups by being vigilant about casual news reports that occaisionaly go the extra mile to observe the truth about where some of this coke/crack epedemic comes from.and big bust reports alude to it but they come and go and the media powers and polititions dont really address this. then an occaisional news docu will disect the pcc and their hook up with farc.it starts to add up to a bigger picture that is very apherant but rarly ackowledged and there is no national admision of where are these heavy drugs coming from, just vague referances

it really is one of the biggest factors that is decimating quality of life in brazil right now.a factor that is surrounded by many good things that are improving brazilian quality of life
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written by Baen Brodie, March 03, 2010
I remember Iran and Iraq'a war of the cities. What a spectacular and industrious manner with which to destroy yourself. Two powerful Islamic nations, busily throwing poorly aimed scud missiles at each other, blowing holes in each other's cities the size of city blocks. Of course, people argued that it was nothing more than a little Shiite and Sunni disagreement.
I'm sure that Iraq no longer holds a grudge against Iran, despite Iran's continued armed incursions into Iraq, especially the southern part. And the capital of Sunni thought, Saudi Arabia, an Arabic monarchy, must be thrilled with the idea of Iran getting nukes. They probably won't want nukes themselves; instead, they will no doubt welcome a nuclear armed Shiite radical Iran so near to them.
Fortunately, the father of the Islamic bomb won't, for a price, help the Saudis go nuclear. His moral strengths are just too powerful, and Pakistan, the world's most peaceful country, will ensure further non-nuclear proliferation. However, it won't matter anyway, because rumor has it that the Saudis are well on the way to their own secret nuclear program.
And then we have the Syrians, a peaceful bastion of Islamic thought. The Israeli bombing several summers ago of their nuclear program was an accident. The world realizes now that the Syrians would never use nuclear terrorism against any country, as they denounce terrorism; that little country just north of Israel was just a training exercise. And Egypt will never want anything that Syria has, despite the two countries having been one in the sixties. Their rivalry and backstabbing of each other quit years ago. And to top it all off, Lybia will act as a huge stabilizing factor in the region and between the arguing Islamic countries.
Yep, sounds like a good idea. Lula and Brazil should lead the charge against sanctions on Iran. Go for it Brazil! People are already laughing at Lula and Brazil. With the upcoming Olympic fiasco, such a vote would cement Brazil's position as a leader of nations and morality. And think of the job opportunities for French nuclear scientists and armaments professors!

Oh, yeah. Did someone say something about Israel?smilies/wink.gif

Go for it Lula! Go for it Brazil! The resulting show will be far more entertaining than any movie and with a little poor aiming and luck, maybe the rest of the world will get to participate in this remarkable and exciting new Islamic experiment. Just count me out.
Ricardo Amaral
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
Ricardo: My new article is 2/3’s done, but the feedback that I am having from the people that I mentioned about the content of my new article has been explosive and people are overreacting about it.

I was hoping for an article about the ethanol industry as an export commodity, but I don't see it as 'explosive' so I simply await your assuredly formidable analysis. smilies/wink.gif

Ethanol, of course, being one of the subjects on which we heartily agree.smilies/smiley.gif
...Then Quit Bitchin, Because Crack Is Just The 'Poor Man's Cocaine
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
coke , i dont know, its more dangerous. but, no more than alcohol. it would have to be regulated to death and dealt with in a social medecine sence.and im not totaly sure how it would work, but it could. anything is better than what we have now

Yeah, you want your 'quality of life' and just a little 'toot' once in a while, right? You just want all those poor people to 'deal' with the abject misery of their lives with no future for their children, right?

Well, the source for your 'toot' is the same for their 'pipe' to the benefit of the same people. If anything, their use is more understandable if unfortunately more crippling to themselves and the society. Understandably, because you have a different 'dealer', you feel removed from the 'street action', but in fact you are feeding their misery and the destruction of the society.

"QUIT POINTING FINGERS....and look in the mirror!"
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written by Baen Brodie, March 03, 2010
Dr. Cata, I at times am forced to agree with you, particularly concerning drugs. I get a chuckle from those who demand that drugs be banned, except their favorite recreational drug or smoke.
I don't feel that I'm stretching, but in many ways such thinking compares to the slave issue in the United states of so many years ago. The founding fathers composed a brilliant sermon proclaiming the god-given rights of each and every individual, which were very comprehensive.
However, when push came to shove, many of the very people who signed it openly believed that the same constitution did not apply to their slaves! What an interesting contradiction. The question was soon settled by the horrible deaths of 600,000 American soldiers, who, by force of arms, proved that the bill of rights applies to everyone. Now, if we can just somehow continue to bear that theme.
Also, the issue of slavery and its overall similarity to being hooked on drugs has never escaped me.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2010

Enemy Of My Enemy


A fascinating essay, my learned friend. You have made some very good points and my usual kudos to you. My kudos also to our distinguished fellow blogger ASP who raised the issue of our neighborhoods being taken over by the drug gang. Just my 2 cents worth about a statment you made:

So the only 'known' solution is to finally get serious about exterminating every mouse, in every country...the Chinese solution, Mao's solution, swift and sure, for every drug dealer, every corrupt cop, every corrupt judge and politician, every corrupt government agent involved in drugs.


I do not think that our "authorities" have caught on to the seriousness of the problem or more likely are in the "business" themselves. Of course, this problem has been going on since 1985 and it is getting worse everyday. It shocking to read everyday in the news that even once quiet small towns are becoming more and more violent.

As for your suggestion to resort to the "Chinese Solution", it is not possible here. Because we have a special "Ministry for Human Rights" and they ensure that the "Rights" of such youngsters on the Motorbikes in the link you provided, are fully preserved. There are frequent incidents when such "nice kids" beat up their teachers in the school for trying to discipline them.

I do not think that the PMs nor the Military would like to interfere in this "business", because if they take one false step, the entire world (including your honorable self) will be screaming and yelling how "brutal" the Brasilian cops and the Military are.

As I see, the only option available to rescue us from these "gentlemen" on the Motorbikes is by deploying the Israeli Drones armed with Hell Fire missiles under the command of Rudy Giuliani. Charlie Bronson is too old to handle it.
i f**king dont do cocaine....
written by asp, March 03, 2010
absolutly , joao, aint nobody going around executing users and dealers like cata's chinese solution.which is just the kind of mentality i hate

war on drugs just doesnt work, any solution is better than now because now isnt working.

i said it would have to be seriously regulated.

anybody who thinks i said that because i use cocaine can f**k off
and marijuana?
written by asp, March 03, 2010
god f**king damn hell people can get an easy dr percsription and get it for medical use and its working to the extent that california isnt falling apart because of that

saying it should be legal is far from some self serving point of veiw, its a reality on the table

we have an idiot reccomending the chines solution (year, coomunist bitches are good for eliminating millions of people)and trying to acuse me of drug use i dont even do

communist mentalities can seriously kiss my ass
"communist bitches"
written by asp, March 03, 2010
not personal at you lloydy, i meant the ones that did the eliminating

all right, excuse the "f**k offs " too. i just thought it was weak of you acusing me of doing something i dont do

god, i dont hate you, i hate your arguments
Reply to Joao da Silva
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 03, 2010

Joao da Silva: Is the article about Brasil? If so and there is overreaction, it must be quite controversial. I am getting curious!


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Ricardo: About 90 percent of the article is about Brazil. It will be very controversial...

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2010

About 90 percent of the article is about Brazil. It will be very controversial...


If 90% of it is about Brasil and you are not overly concerned about receiving flak from people, I think you should publish it. Of course, you are the only one that can decide.

Hope it is not about an "alternate" candidate and even if it is so, what the heck does it matter?smilies/cheesy.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
I do not think that our "authorities" have caught on to the seriousness of the problem or more likely are in the "business" themselves.
As I see, the only option available to rescue us from these "gentlemen" on the Motorbikes is by deploying the Israeli Drones armed with Hell Fire missiles under the command of Rudy Giuliani.


The police know, the judges know, the 'ministers' know, because I see the 'common' jails are overcrowded(just like the US), and I see reports that 'beira mar' commanders are still controlling from jail. I just see it as failure of those 'responsible' for solution, and primarily through corruption, both in Brazil and the US.

...in your neighborhood, Hellfire missiles? So easy to put the blood on Mr. Guiliani, but I agree 'he is up for the job'. It doesn't have to be 'Serpico', but...but..corruption follows corruption and Mr. Guiliani is simply a 'hired gun' turned loose on the 'people' who will leave Brazil with his money and you can clean up the bodies.Unfortunately, I find the outsourcing of Brazilian law enforcement to be a cowardly act. IMHO
asp
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
i said it would have to be seriously regulated.

Anything can be regulated, and abused just the same. You simply want to use your FARC hatred to solve the drug problem. In the US we have regulated cough medicine now at the pharmacy counter to try and decrease meth production; band-aids in need of an emergency room.

But...but...don't apologize, because your references to communism just amuse me too! smilies/cheesy.gif
asp
written by João da Silva, March 03, 2010

absolutly , joao, aint nobody going around executing users and dealers like cata's chinese solution.


One thing that drew my attention was the following statement of Lloyd´s:

In America, we know that much of the 'housing bubble' was inflated with drug money driving up prices.


It is happening here too.

It is incredible that during this summer, so many houses have been broken into in quiet neighborhoods and elderly people getting mugged in smaller towns. I have a feeling that it is going to get worse, but without end in sight.

American GI's in Brazil
written by Breckenfeld, March 03, 2010
As far as I know American troops spent some time in Brazil during WWII. We were allies in the war against the axis powers.

Now changing the subject a bit. For those leftist bastards who like to deify Castro,they should know that during the Cuban Missiles Crisis the despot Fidel Castro in a letter to Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev, dated Oct 27 1962 asked him to launch a nuclear attack against the US.
Fortunately he ignored the despot's request. As we can see this man deserves no respect whatsoever. Unfortunately some cynical cowards especially in Latin America simply make light of the fact that he is a dictator just like any other and should be sharply criticized.
When Withdrawal Becomes The Wisest Choice
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
I have some Libertarian friends who advocate decriminalizing drug use, and on some common sense level, I am tempted to agree. It speaks directly to the inherent right to be free of government interference in peoples personal lives. What I am unable to reconcile is my firm belief that we each also have 'some' level of responsibility to the societies in which we live. What I am 'completely' sure of is that the 'War on Drugs' is not only a failure, but it has made the problem worse and created new problems for people completely outside the battlefield.

It is a extremely difficult and terrible choice for any military commander to withdraw in the face of superior or inescapable forces. Thank God, I have never had to make that decision, but I know there are situations in which that decision would be inescapable because it would involve putting the lives of others above my own.

So it is that I, respectfully, ask the POTUS, Mr. Obama, to end this War on Drugs. Withdraw to a defensible position 'inside' the United States and reevaluate the strategy to protect the American people. Do not escalate(surge?) this war while really using it as a cover to deploy forces in support of allies who are just a reprehensible as the local forces they are fighting. The American people have been here before; advisers, trainers, *** the incident of outrage ***, and the escalation to regional conflict. All under cover of drug policy.

It doesn't take seven(7) bases in Colombia to operate a 'forward' position to assist in defeating the narco-traffickers. That can 'only' be interpreted as a prelude to occupation, and escalation of a 'hidden' agenda! It is not easy to make a wise decision when you are afraid of the consequences, but it takes real courage to overcome the fear and make the right decision to save your people, and so many others in Latin America. Do not try to militarily enforce Plan Colombia because I can guarantee you that it will lead to an *** incident of outrage *** that will inflame the sensibilities of people on both sides and result in destruction throughout the region. We have been down this road, we know the signs no matter how you advertise it. It is imperialistic, it is immoral, and it is wrong.
Breckenfeld
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
during the Cuban Missiles Crisis the despot Fidel Castro in a letter to Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev, dated Oct 27 1962 asked him to launch a nuclear attack against the US.

Sir, when you get your 'facts' straight there is simply no need for name-calling and insults;
( http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/so...x2jfk.html )

Once again, I have shown you mine, now please show me yours...smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 03, 2010
I have an unusual book in my library that I frequently reference when studying Brasil during WWII. It was a real find so many years ago. It is titled, " The Brazilian Expeditionary Force" by Brazilian General J. B. Mascarenhas de Moraes. {That is from memory; sorry if I made a mistake.} It details the Brazilian experience during training and actual combat. Yes, there were Americans in Brasil during WWII and vice versa. Brazilians and Americans trained and fought, as well as died together. In fact, Brasil adopted American equipment and training methods, and I believe entire squadrons that flew with the American Air Force were comprised of Brazilian crews.
There were American based at Balem and Natal during the war to assist in preparing airplanes for the trans-Atlantic journey.
The Brazilians leaders in the book praised the Americans for their assistance throughout the war. In turn, General Mark Clark, one of the highest ranking allied commanders had nothing but praise for the Brazilian fighting spirit, which is documented in copies of official letters throughout the book. It is a very detailed book.
Breckenfeld
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
...of course, you might be referring to this document;

( http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/n...cri/621026 Castro Letter to Khrushchev.pdf )

So I await your further enlightenment...
To Mr. Lloyd Cata
written by Breckenfeld, March 03, 2010
I will always call leftists like Castro despots, and by inference those who deify him simply bastards. Unfortunately there is not a sharper and stronger word to qualify these poor individuals, lucky them !!! However if unfortunately the cap fits you, wear it (lolrof).

As for getting my "facts" straight, they are not mine, they are History's.
http://www.cubanet.org/ref/dis/10110201.htm
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written by Baen Brodie, March 03, 2010
Dr. Cata, I would have no idea of what you may label an airstrip, but take it from someone with some experience in airplanes quite near the size of the Columbian and Peruvian Tucano that the requirement for something, an air base or airstrip, is essential for the Tucano to do the job for which it was purchased. You cannot centrally base such airplanes, for both countries are too large for such basing. The performance of the Tucano is no secret, it is well published on the Internet, therefore, in light of the information, is it even sensible to possess such aircraft if you are not going to build the facilities to operate them?
Also, the term air base I'm sure is being used loosely. I can imagine that the Americans have helped create at least one facility with a lengthy runway for logistical support, but I have yet to see any pictures or evidence that the remaining bases are anything but bases in name only.
In addition, as I have said before, the Columbians choose wisely in their selection of ground attack fighters. They also purchased about 40 Kfirs from Israel for about 350-400 million dollars. Such airplanes are not well known for their loiter time or range. If you were a Columbian Air Force general with limited funding, additional bases would be the logical method to project your force.
The Brazilian Tucano, as demonstrated in the You Tube video I quited earlier, is comparable in speed to the airplane it is chasing when that drug airplane is a Beechcraft King Air powered by the same PT-6 engine.
Dr. Cata, I enjoy researching South American armed forces, especially air forces. I have searched for more information about these seven air bases but am finding little, other than the gratuitous press release. If you ever run across pictures of the seven bases, with length, etc., i would be very grateful.
Now, do the Columbians and their allies have a secret agenda? I have no clue, although, like you, I care.
Is the drug war working? It is if you are the unlucky pilot who just got shot down in flames by a Tucano as you raced toward the Brazilian border to escape.
I enjoy your blogs; they are very thought provoking. Thanks.
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written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/n...cri/621026 Castro Letter to Khrushchev.pdf
Breckenfeld...Your Mistake To Challenge Me In History My Friend
written by Lloyd Cata, March 03, 2010
Fidel Castro in a letter to Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev, dated Oct 27 1962 asked him to launch a nuclear attack against the US.

Perhaps you are missing the point, which is understandable given the last 50 years of imperialist propaganda.

a) Cuba, and none of the other 'sovereign' nations outside the borders of the United States, are not puppets of the dictates from some Emperor in Washington. That should be enough, but we know it is not because the lawless miscreants in Washington continue to this day in their imperialist traditions which they did inherit from their European ancestors. Even inventing justifications for war to support their military-industrial complex. This was made clear from their first military leader, Washington(Farewell Address), to their last military leader, Eisenhower(Military-Industrial Complex). Men who understood the necessity of war and the limits of American power.

b) Considering the many unwarranted and unsuccessful attempts to assassinate Mr. Castro, and their successful attempts throughout the region, their own people did rebuke the US government and make this practice illegal. Not thoroughly enough to prevent them from hiring 'contractors' to carry on their murderous exploits. A practice they are refining in the current 'foreign adventures' in the Middle East. It is no wonder some people, 'excluding myself', would hold Mr. Castro in such awe. That he lives and breathes is a constant reminder of the failure of the murderous intent of the US 'shadow government'. Yet, the blood of innocents continues to feed their new corporate masters.

c) The world has now outgrown the lies and propaganda machine in Washington. First we see the Emperor has no clothes, and now looking at the US government, we see that he cannot even dress himself properly. The American people must publicly witness, before the entire world, that their government is broke and broken(>80% agree). What the world only awaits now is how, like a child's tantrum, the Empire will strike out at invented enemies to divert its peoples attention from the abject failure that is democracy in the United States of America.

Past, present, and future(a gift from my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ).

I make no representations as to Mr. Castro's beliefs. Even to this day, he expresses himself quite eloquently without my defense. History will judge him, as it does all men, but this I will say in his behalf;

1) He did face his enemy with courage and conviction.
2) He did not bend when his friends deserted him.
3) God has granted him to live long enough to see his enemy shamed and
exposed before the world as a murderer and a liar.

A long road for one man and a fitting lesson in world history. Don't you think?
smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Your first lesson; ( http://www.jfklibrary.org/jfkl...dence.html )

Required reading for those who wish to understand "The Modern Empire".
Reply to Breckenfeld
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 04, 2010

Ricardo: We have been discussing this subject for many years at the PBS Forum, at the Elite Trader Forum and also on the comments section of various articles published on Brazzil magazine.

Cuba has been armed with 162 nuclear warheads since the 1962 Cuban Nuclear Missile Crisis and the United States government found out about this fact only around 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Here is some info that I posted on this subject on the PBS website, ET forum, and Brazzil magazine in the last 8 years. By now this is very old news….


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As I mentioned on my posting: “On November 22, 2002, I was watching a television program on PBS called "Now with Bill Moyers," Mr. Moyers was interviewing a historian, James Blight—he wrote a book about the 1962 Cuban Nuclear Missile Crisis. It was an enlightening interview. The professor was saying that only recently, (in the last ten years) the U. S. learned a lot of new information about the Cuban missile crisis that the United States did not know at the time.”

Historian James Blight is supposed to be the foremost expert on the subject of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Mr. Blight mentioned that since the collapse of the Soviet Union historians got access to archives in the Soviet Union documenting a lot of information that they did not know regarding the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis including the fact that the Soviets had stored in Cuba 162 nuclear warheads. The nuclear warheads were never returned to the Soviets because the United States were not aware that they had that stockpile of nukes in Cuba only 90 miles from Florida.

At that time “Che Guevara” wanted to use some of these nukes against the United States – Fidel Castro was the person who thought that the nukes would be used only as a last resort - if the United States had attacked Cuba.

Fidel Castro and Chavez are very good friends – Castro is at the end of his life – there is a sweet way for him to get even with the United States if he wanted to – all he had to do is sell ten of 15 of his stockpile of nukes to Chavez. – Cuba needs oil, and money for survival – and Chavez need the protection of Cuba’s nukes to make sure his country is not invaded by the US in the same way the US invaded Iraq.

The United States changed its tune regarding North Korea after North Korea proved that they have nukes.

If Pakistan was not protected by its nukes – you can bet the Bush administration would attack that country to destroy Osama Bin Ladden and Al Qaeda in the same way the US attacked Afghanistan in 2002.

A country armed with nukes takes away the advantage the US has in matters of warfare.

You don’t have to look further than North Korea and Pakistan to understand what I am saying.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, March 04, 2010

Hi Ricardo,

Off topic.Posting a link FYI:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...9214,0.htm
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 04, 2010

It is all very nice and eloquent talk on your part to extol the virtues of Mr.Fidel Castro and scold the 7 "Dirty Sisters", Dr.Cata. Even Mr.Amaral seems to share your opinion on these 7 ladies of "loose morals" as well as Mr.Casro´s single handed stance against the empire. I notice that our other distinguished fellow blogger ASP has lost the steam to argue with you anymore. BUT...BUT...our new friend Capt.Brodie has challenged you by making the following statement:

Dr. Cata, I enjoy researching South American armed forces, especially air forces. I have searched for more information about these seven air bases but am finding little, other than the gratuitous press release. If you ever run across pictures of the seven bases, with length, etc., i would be very grateful.


He is politely asking you for "PROOF" and so am I. I should have asked you this long ago, but the tropical sun must have affected my brain.smilies/cheesy.gif

You must know that "leasing" a base for "joint operations" is quite different from buying the land in a sovereign nation and building and operating clandestine air bases and keep the natives away from their premises. Oh, I forgot. There is a third option too. Invade a country, kick the natives out of the existing air bases and occupy them. I would classify Bagram in the last category. Wouldn't you?smilies/grin.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 04, 2010
You must know that "leasing" a base for "joint operations" is quite different from buying the land in a sovereign nation and building and operating clandestine air bases and keep the natives away from their premises.

There are several reasons for 'my' analysis of the plans and uses for these base, and I ask Capt'n Brodies indulgence in not providing details of runway lengths and so on. In performing analysis and projecting 'opinion' it is always in my mind to use past and present 'history'. Since you mention Bagram I see that you are not uninformed as to how these things operate.

I confess I cannot provide the detail, but I will provide several several areas for 'exploration'. We can begin here;
( http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/07-6 )

Let me say, right now, that just as Mr. Brodie found, there is scant info on the details of these locations, but it is unquestionable that this agreement is tied to the military aspects of Plan Colombia and that has been widely reported, and confirmed by several US government figures. It is only reluctantly that they have also 'admitted' that these bases are for Colombian counter-insurgency operations other than their original premise of 'drug interdiction'. US congress has input specific language in the funding for these bases to limit 'mission creep' which is something the cannot ignore historically. What I am presently looking to is the 'reason' for dislocation of the bases, and 'my' analysis indicates
run out of steam?
written by asp, March 04, 2010
it just gets tired dealing with fantacy and conspiricy and empire star wars avatar when the real history of the world is anything but

you know i got to deal with reality of out of hand coke dealing repercusions in our neihborhoods and and serious reality facts about it and who its really hooked up with, and all i hear in here is chicken little "the empire is coming...and falling"

ill let everyone here argue how many fairies you can fit on the head of a pin

im having more fun at pornhub dot com
To the Honorable World History Professor Lloyd Cata
written by Breckenfeld, March 04, 2010
I have humbly taken part in this forum from time to time. And I humbly admit I do not have the credentials to challenge your profound unique and flawless knowledge in World History. Far be it from me! However, no matter how History will judge Castro because regardless of whatever you might say in his behalf, he will always have been a tyrant, despot dictator responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people. And they were not enemies who had come ashore, but Cubans just like him, who had made "the mistake" of desiring some freedom..or disagreeing with the way he behaved towards his fellow countrymen . But perhaps you might have ripped these pages from your reference unbiased History books...

TYRANTS WILL ALWAYS BE TYRANTS... AND CASTRO IS A FINE EXAMPLE.

AND GOD WILL JUDGE HIM..
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written by Lloyd Cata, March 04, 2010
Lula Is All Smiles with Secretary Clinton, But Doesn't Budge an Inch on Iran

BTW...it was the Avatar that told me about your above headlinesmilies/wink.gif

http://www.cipcol.org/?p=983

Back with more...since some are too lazy to do their research much less use their brains smilies/sad.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 04, 2010
Dr. Cata, while reading the website you suggested, my computer began leaning to the left and nearly fell from the desk. I was only able to center it with a hard slap to the right.smilies/cheesy.gif
I didn't get very much from the article. It was neither informative nor interesting and the part about the American soldiers raping a 12 year-old girl was the typical American bashing I expected, completely without names, dates, and other essential facts.
As a result, I will continue researching the subject and appreciate your calling it to my attention. But in the meantime, I will reserve calling them air bases until I find data on the runway length, the aircraft weight that they can handle, the aircraft operating from there, facility structure, and etc.
One thing, however, that does confuse me is the constant mention of these seven bases yet no acknowledgement of the air bases Venezuela must certainly be constructing for their newly purchased air force. Not only that, I'd be interested in knowing who is constructing the fields and other infrastructure. Does anyone except me think that such a lack of interest concerning the countries surrounding Columbia and the huge growth of their air forces is particularly noteworthy concerning this blog?
Also, Dr. Cata, I am confused by your admitted admiration of the Cuban despot Castro and your admitting that Jesus Christ is your savior. I don't understand how such comments are reconcilable.
However, thanks for the heads up on the Columbian air bases. I'll continue my research and share whatever factual information I find.
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written by Lloyd Cata, March 04, 2010
Furthermore, according to the U.S. Air Force, "Palenquero will provide joint use capability to the U.S. Army, Air Force, Marines, and U.S. Interagency aircraft and personnel."

In conclusion, the U.S.-Colombia base agreement does not restrict U.S. military activities to the territory of Colombia nor does it limit them to counter-narcotics and counter-terrorism operations. In other words, the U.S. military can use the Colombian bases to launch any type of military operation it wants against any target anywhere in South America. And in its report to Congress, the U.S. Air Force made evident the importance of Colombia's largest air base to achieving U.S. military objectives throughout South America, including managing the threat posed by "anti-US governments." Clearly, South American nations, particularly Venezuela and Bolivia, have ample reason to be concerned.


Did you get that? Oh my...maybe you should get an Avatar to read it for you.smilies/grin.gif
Don't Be A Fool, And Don't Get Fooled...
written by Lloyd Cata, March 04, 2010
Mrs. Clinton was all smiles and 'pushing' negotiations on the Falklands, correct?

Remember what happened the last time Argentina thought the US was going to back them...right...they got their arses whupped! If you think the Brits are going to give their 'strategic' outpost back, then you'll be sucking nuke dust before that happens.

Brits in Falklands and US in Colombia have Brazil in the 'pincer' as my friend, Mr. da Silva would say. But that's just the Avatar talking. I'm still doing my research smilies/cheesy.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by Lloyd Cata, March 04, 2010
I don't suppose your next article would involve Cuban nukes, would it? I've already been there and got about the same reception. Hope you have better intel because those are the kind of ideas that will get you accused of smoking the pipe smilies/wink.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 04, 2010
On their best day, the combined Navies of Argentina and any ally silly enough to get involved couldn't wrest those stupid islands from HM. At one time, Britain was going to give the Falklands to Argentina, but another despotic dictator couldn't wait and decided to play the role of a fool. Look what it got him.
Now the Brits are mad, and their pride has been injured. This will take time, for old wounds take time to heal. Brazil would be a very appropriate go-between for these two states. I hope that Lula uses this moment to demonstrate his skills as a statesman.

Yes, America had good military ties with Argentina. The navy of Argentina even used American aircraft carriers to train its pilots in carrier landings, etc., but only a blind man couldn't see that the ties between the USA and the English, despite their many differences, could ever be broken, even in their worst moments.

Oh, by the way, Argentina in the war depended heavily on French aircraft, especially the sexy, supersonic Mirage, which suffered horribly against the tiny, rather ugly, and subsonic Harrier.
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
Economist - ( http://www.economist.com/displ...d=15019912 )
The United States will also spend $46m extending the runway and aprons and building a hangar at Palanquero, the main Colombian air force base.


I wouldn't bet you'll be getting much intel on these bases except what is already known. Even the congresses of the US and Colombia do not have full access and details. I have previously stated in some detail that these bases 'will be' setup to allow NATO and Israeli agents to operate freely throughout Latin America. Both are concerned with the growth of the Islamic community in Latin America. Al Queda in Latin America? Nahhhh, must be those damn Avatars smilies/wink.gif

Just for argument sake, since your the aviation specialist; refueling tankers stationed over Falklands or Colombia would give fighter/bombers of Brits and Americans complete coverage of the South American continent, for the return trip to their base of origin. Is that correct?

BTW, João da Silva, I hear there are about 120 mosques in Brazil, mostly unattended 'so far'. The grapevine has it that some of those Mossad agents from Dubai are also in your neighborhood, so be on the lookout. Wouldn't want my fount of enlightenment getting in the crossfire between FARC and those guys smilies/smiley.gif
yeah, brodie , ive been talking about the threat of chavez and ...
written by asp, March 05, 2010
his imperialistic behaviour all the time , and so have others, and adriana just brought in a recent article about him being in on an assasination plot to get uribe....and yeah, maybe the fat bastard needs to be stood up to , and farc even more so, it might even lighten the 81 percent of coke flow into brazil

i mean for gods sake, cata brings in weak lincs, his troops in south america ,all flawed to the argument (cia is like kgb and its not occupying troops , dopy lloyd) , you were correct about world war 2, but it was world war 2 after all, oh yeah that doesnt count for cata

and i bring in huge statistics about communism being responsibel for over 90 million deaths , but, it just doesnt mean anything, because he brings in romance novels by roger sticknine

you all want to have tea and crumpets and idle banter back and forth with avatar star wars the evil empire is coming joe, but, it really is starting to waste my time , im going back to porn hub, you all can return to your tea and crumpets, and dont interupt catas flow

actualy , cata, forget what i said about being sorry, f**k you
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
I am confused by your admitted admiration of the Cuban despot Castro and your admitting that Jesus Christ is your savior. I don't understand how such comments are reconcilable.

Note from my previous lines, it would be apparent that;
"I'd rather a benevolent dictator than a corrupt democracy." I don't confuse theology and politics, but with almost 3 million persons in prisons in the US...well, you get the idea! Give unto Ceasar, and all that, y'know?
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
Oh, by the way, Argentina in the war depended heavily on French aircraft, especially the sexy, supersonic Mirage, which suffered horribly against the tiny, rather ugly, and subsonic Harrier.

Those tiny, rather ugly, and subsonic Harriers had AWACs and repositioned US satellites for pinpoint targeting. The Mirages were doomed before they left the ground, which many failed to do smilies/sad.gif
God Is Not A Respecter Of Men, What He Expects Is That Men Respect The Truth
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
TYRANTS WILL ALWAYS BE TYRANTS... AND CASTRO IS A FINE EXAMPLE.
AND GOD WILL JUDGE HIM..


There is different between a dictator and a tyrant and we have historical references for every race, color, and creed. If you declare one, to be one or the other, there should be the evidence to support that, however to put 90 millions deaths due to Communism on the head of Fidel is just either lying or manipulating the truth for propaganda purposes.
The memory of Mr. Zapata will go on, and the Castro's must answer for that, if not now then before God. From the highest to lowest there is no escape. We shall all get what we deserve. There is no escape Judgment, my friends. There will be no getting to the front of the line for heaven. You know the line about, "you can't take it with you"? Well, the funny part is that "you can!...and you will! Gold is heavy, but the murder of the innocent is an even heavier burden.
So I look around me and see all this international uproar about Mr. Zapata and we see the President of France, Mr. Sarkozy, admit being complicit in the murder of 5,000,000 people in Africa and its a one day comment not worthy of serious discussion. Is it possible because that's what we 'expect' from masters of the Empire. I would like to say more about what Mr. Sarkozy calls a 'grave error'; maybe another time. We see Mr. Bush murder 1,000,000 Iraqi's.(Is that all? Do you know that Iraqi's were dying just from Saddam's carelessness and neglect through 12 years of sanctions) Yes, the Empire can destroy entire societies, continue to destroy Indigenous Peoples all over the world, and yet you worship at the feet of the 'Golden Calf'.
I have no problem with the fact that I would walk with Fidel rather than the masters of the Empire. What would I possibly learn from them? How to increase my gold and kill millions to do that? Innocent people, women and children, are dying every day in Iraq and Afghanistan and the only thing that has come of it is the bigger pot of gold for Goldman Sachs and the military-industrial complex. Millions dead, more millions to die before its over, and it becomes just part of the noise of our daily life, but if one Cuban dissident dies...well, I guess it is 'news'.
I've always said those Cubans must be very special people.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2010

Oh, by the way, Argentina in the war depended heavily on French aircraft, especially the sexy, supersonic Mirage, which suffered horribly against the tiny, rather ugly, and subsonic Harrier.


I remember well informed "malicious tongues" saying that the good ole French provided the Brits with the source codes for the weapons system they supplied to the Argentinians. Thus the British navy was able to neutralize the fire power of the Mirages as well as the famous "Exocet" missiles. I suspect that this "episode" was taken into consideration by our Air Force while evaluating the RAFALE fighters.

I hope that Lula uses this moment to demonstrate his skills as a statesman.


Probably he knows it is a futile effort tying to convince the Argentines that it is not worth picking up another fight over the Falklands issue. In 1982, our then President Figueiredo used the same arguments of yours to dissuade the "despot dictator" Galtieri (who BTW, considered himself to be Gen.Patton) from going to war. He wouldn't listen. The rest is history.

The Argentines sent hundreds of poorly trained new conscripts to occupy the Island and most of them from the peasant class. Almost all of them were slaughtered, in the land battle. The Argentine government was so "proud" and stubborn that it rejected the offer of the Brits for a ceasefire in order to retrieve the bodies of the soldiers! It was a stupid war that was was started by Galtieiri to deviate the attention of the public from the social and economic problems the country was facing. The worse thing was it did not even have the support of educated and well informed Argentines. However, it enhanced the image of Margaret Thatcher.

Now the Kirchner family (the "owners" of the Province of Patagonia) is trying to the same thing as they are facing internal problems. I think that it would be their downfall, since it is democracy now in that country and the voters there are too smart to let their government go on another misadventure.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
I'm not where I can access my library concerning the Falkland Island war; However, I will answer the questions to the best of my ability.
Did the British use American AWACS? Well, if they did, the Americans must have been extremely incompetent not to see a French, [again] Super Entendard heading toward the Falklands with an Exocet missile! In addition, during the war, two Harriers were lost due to navigation errors and disappeared into the vastness of the ocean. That tells me that there were no American AWACS participating. Some folks might be confused concerning the AWACs issue because the Argentineans used an older patrol bomber with more advanced capabilities and radar to lead the Entendard to the Flklands. Still, that would not constitute an AWACS on either side.
Some folks also like to argue that the British had access to satellite intelligence. Well, of course they did! My Lord, the British are the masters of sea warfare! They possess advanced attack submarines, as well as ballistic missile subs. Satellite intelligence and oceanic warfare go hand-in-hand. Didn't the Argentinean admirals know this? Don't they read books? I'm no fan of HM, but dismissing the Brit's capabilities at sea seems an unforgivable error, and they will only get better with time.
I also do not believe the Harriers had access to any satellite interfacing. To me, that would appear to be asking to much from such a tiny airplane.
Did the Brits use air-refueling during the Falklands? Yes. The Brits have a base on Ascension Island where they based their tankers which refueled the Vulcans when that bombed Argentina and Port Stanly. I can't imagine air refueling being practical during the actual battles, but then, I don't know. I wasn't there, and I'm not aware if the Harrier uses a buddy system, but I wouldn't put it past the Brits.

The Argentinean admirals and generals did their citizens a grave dis-service by launching a war against the English. I know the Pope gave them everything west of the line, including the Falklands, but the English don't recognize the Pope. The Brits kicked the Pope out of England during the rein of Henry the Eighth. They made a million movies about the subject, and why did they even attack when the Brits were on the verge of giving the stupid islands to Argentina anyway? The whole war didn't make sense to me.
The Argentineans also misunderstood America. Americans speak English but are from many different countries. While England is the mother country, you will get different opinions about HM depending on who you ask. Many Irish and Scots will never forgive England, but when discussing important matters with important American officials, other countries may often be misled if they believe any one certain opinion is American policy. That fact certainly contributed to the war.
Another thing often forgotten is that Argentina forces attacked British soil. Common guys; the Brits can be borderline crazy about such issues!

In my eyes, this was another tragic and needless incident, particularly between two countries that have historically been good friends.
This is a golden opportunity for Brazil and Lula to step in and point out the advantages of cooperation. Time will heal, but again it takes time, and this situations warrants that time, not some hot head adventure led by general's and admirals who don't read books or watch movies.
In addition, I believe the French are complicit in this entire affair. They knew exactly why the Argentineans were up to and were only too willing to sell them the equipment they needed to hurt themselves. Again, the French make no sense to me, and I would rather that Brazil stay away from Rafael, the French helicopters, the aircraft carriers, the submarines, and so forth and so forth and so forth. Build your own and stay independent from such corruptness. Brazil must, for its own future, remain independent. Lula, its time for you to step forward and be a true statesman.
boring, boring
written by asp, March 05, 2010
"however to put 90 millions deaths due to Communism on the head of Fidel is just either lying or manipulating the truth for propaganda purposes."

my god , how in hell do you get that i am putting 90 million on castros head? what you can put on his head is 60 thousand executed , more than all the south american dictators killed in the cold war stopping castros imperialistic attemt to over take south america (note dopy lloyd , im saying south america not central, i dont live in central america there for i dont comment on it like i know it).

and that is a point i will hammer on you thick skull, it is extreme hypocracy to rant about the empire and what they did to south america when the kgb and castro were doing the same thing. they are equaly responsible for what happened then in the cold war.they both deserved to be called out.

you like to run extremly long posts i cant even begin to address all your falacies because it is excruciatingly boring , you wiggle around the truth like a snake in the grass

and people here coddle you and have tea and crumpits. joao calls you "dr (blechh retch vomit) cata" , and , i know joao's game , he thinks he will pull you in and the get you with a sucker punch, but ,by the time he does , it has the impact of a wet noodle

joao, where is augustus? he could dispatch this crap with the sweep of a paragraph

im just a common man and i can see through snake hips cata's bs

and , it gets boring to coddle him with tea and crumpets when extremly valid points have already buried him

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh get me back to porn hub
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
Doctor Cata. I read your comment concerning how you would walk with Castro rather than a member of the empire. You even said you would have no problem with that!

Believe it or not, there are those of us who wouldn't walk with any of them. I, for one, would rather walk alone than with any dictator from anywhere, if I sensed or acknowledged the leader was as bad as you acknowledge.

I also wonder if you aren't using religion as a cop-out when you state the the evildoers will pay in the end, in front of God. What about the people the dictators are oppressing now; are they obligated by your philosophy to wait until they are dead for justice?

Again, I enjoy reading your blogs. You rankle me at times, almost always confuse me, but you are one of my favorites.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2010

I'm not where I can access my library concerning the Falkland Island war; However, I will answer the questions to the best of my ability.
Did the British use American AWACS? Well, if they did, the Americans must have been extremely incompetent not to see a French, [again] Super Entendard heading toward the Falklands with an Exocet missile! In addition, during the war, two Harriers were lost due to navigation errors and disappeared into the vastness of the ocean. That tells me that there were no American AWACS participating.


You don't have to go to your library, Captain. I was old enough at the time of the Falklands war to remember the whole episode. Besides, I had several contacts in Brasilia (the capital). As far as I could remember, there were no American AWACs involved. In fact I am not sure if the AWACs were in operation in 1982 (I vaguely remember reading about them only in 1985) and you can correct me since you are better qualified to talk about them.

You are right about the two Harriers being lost over the South Atlantic. Neither you nor Dr.Cata may know that two more would have been lost but for the help of our Air Force at the end of the conflict. The Military Air traffic controllers in the city where Dr.Cata´s good buddy ASP lives picked up the SOS message and guided those planes to the air base. The crew were fed with lunch and the aircraft with fuel and they were on their way after a few hours of stay on the ground to find the R.N. Aircraft carrier which was not too far off from the southern tip of Brasil on the South Atlantic ocean.

I remember that Ron Reagan´s didn't help nor prevent his harridan friend Margret Thatcher from going into war against the Argentines. As I said in my previous post, it was stupidity on the part of the Generalissimo President Galtieiri.

Thatcher´s allies were the French (source code for the weapons system) and Gen.Pinochet who was very happy to provide the Brits with landing (and other) "facilities" in their Puenta Arena Air base. Thatcher and Pinochet became very good friends and he was a frequent visitor to the U.K., until he was held there for months because of his "Human Rights" violations. I dont know if you recall that Thatcher tried to move "Heaven and Earth" to save him. In a way, she managed to, but eventually he returned to Chile and died. That is another story.

asp
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2010

i know joao's game , he thinks he will pull you in and the get you with a sucker punch, but ,by the time he does , it has the impact of a wet noodle


I think Dr.Cata is a formidable opponent to be caught in a "sucker punch". He reminds me too much of your good buddy Lessa.smilies/cheesy.gif

IMHO, his "difference of opinion" with you is because of the "disdainful attitude" the "Easterners" have towards the "Mid-westerners", which I do not support nor tolerate.smilies/wink.gif However, we have a new blogger Capt.Brodie, who is calling the bluff. Fortunately he has not ID´s himself, though I suspect he is another Mid-Westerner.

joao, where is augustus? he could dispatch this crap with the sweep of a paragraph


I haven't heard from him nor Forrest for weeks. Will be great if Augustus joins us to confront him. BUT...BUT..., before you know what is happening, Dr.Cata might seduce Lord Augustus to join his "Cause". smilies/cool.gif

One thing I tell ya. Lloyd has all the qualities to be a "benevolent" dictator.smilies/cool.gif
hahah
written by asp, March 05, 2010
you know i like to tease you, joao
Rose-colored Glasses Just Don't Work For Me, But You Are Free To Indulge Yourself
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
I also wonder if you aren't using religion as a cop-out when you state the the evildoers will pay in the end, in front of God. What about the people the dictators are oppressing now; are they obligated by your philosophy to wait until they are dead for justice?

Dictators are not the problem. You just don't think of Bush, or Blair, or Sarko in those terms. Their 'elected' to be mass-murderers, so their genocide is legitimate. Never once do I hear of the opportunity that Cuban children have to be educated, to be 'free' of hunger, to have medical care. Since Cuba is not Haiti, your fine with making all the criticism.
Let's just say we are using a different scale in measuring Castro's behavior and that of the Empire. You 'elected' them and that gives them 'legitimacy'. It says absolutely nothing about their massive crimes against humanity. You cry about the crime all over the western world; well the banks just ripped off the American people, in 'broad daylight' stole the life savings of millions of people. All over the world they have been allowed to reduce peoples standard of living; it's legitimate because the Empire has approved this. The fact that Cuban children are not suffering under the plagues of crime and drugs is enough for me.

Could Cuba be better? Without a doubt! I simply don't want for their children to have the same 'opportunity' to be preyed upon by thieving capitalists, drug wars, gang violence, and assorted other societal illness perpetuated by 'elected' leaders in a 'free' society. If your pleased with what you have 'fine', but when I see people make these comparisons of who is the biggest monster on the planet...well, y'know!

I try to just call it like I see it. And don't think for one minute that I believe my eyes to be any better than anyone else. In fact, I may be blind and ignorant to many things, but this I know for certain;

My favorite Apostle is Paul, who was formerly called Saul, a killer of Gods people. Yet Saul was 'not' Caesar; but he was a Roman. I try to live by that example so that I may one day obtain the Grace of God, and I would not want to be Caesar when that day arrives. Truly, every day around this world it becomes clearer who has the power to act in the name of Caesar. They no longer even deny their absolute power to determine the fate of every life on the planet, it is undeniable. Consider that once Paul entered the Word of Christ and separated himself from the political realm, he was still a Roman, but there can be no comparison between him and Caesar.

*** Be careful of your judgments, this was simply an analogy which I give you as a gift, whether you accept it or not is your choice ***
Tactics
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
I certainly think you flatter her majesty a bit much, my friend. I cannot 'prove' to you the Brits use of the American AWACs and sat's, yet I did follow the battle carefully at the time.

I would like to understand further your assertion that HM was going to turn the islands back to the Argentines. I know there were some voices on that side of the pond for such an outcome, but I see no official statements or actions that would support such an outcome. Strangely, nor I see any such statements or actions now. Just the opposite I see HM now 'forever' tying the Malvinas into its economic infrastructure.

As for your assertion about the French, you must understand that it is just what the French do, as provocateurs in the schemes of the Empire. That is why they never had to fire a shot in Congo. You're completely correct that the Argentine generals simply got caught up in a game which they were simply not prepared to play; militarily, politically, or economically. Unfortunately, the Argentine are still suffering the consequences.

Fortunately, the Communists were not involved, except in dying at the hands of the murderous generals. A completely satisfactory outcome for the masters of the Empire.

Again, those islands may wind up some 'independent' entity under the 'protectorate' of her majesty, but they will never revert back to Argentine control. Now that they 'supposedly' have oil resources I don't see Argentina being able to afford to get them back. Remember, the Haitians had to 'pay' the French for every slave plus the property.

My friend, the players change but the rules are just the same; smiles all around, money changing hands, and a people diminished. When I see the present in context to the past, outcomes are quite apparent, if not predictable.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
Dr. Cata, I believe that we disagree on very little, just the means to accomplish our ends. If you also feel I was being judgmental about your religion, excuse my trespass. It was never intended. We are obviously from different backgrounds, and some of the things you say catch my interest. Yet I see in you some acceptance of my viewpoints; in turn, I can see many of yours. We also seem to share an awareness in the dangers of alignments. I, however, tend toward the completely rebellious side and the right of all men to be equal and free of a religious or political philosophy meant to entrap and re-educate, for I distrust all super powers equally.smilies/wink.gif Again, everything you said on your last blog was, for the most part, my views exactly. I say that at the risk of astounding the other bloggers who feel we are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. The pre-war sentiments expressed by the Brits have now certainly changed after their pride was slapped and the discovery of oil.
Really, De. Cata, as I've said many times, you are full of interesting comments and something of a pleasure to speak with and are often the intellectual counter to my love of the facts and tiny details.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 05, 2010

yet I did follow the battle carefully at the time.


Not as much as I did, Dr.Cata.

Fortunately, the Communists were not involved, except in dying at the hands of the murderous generals.


All the "communists" of "good breed" had already left the country and many came here to spread their gospel among the Brasilians and to piss upon the ones who didn't agree with them. For good or bad, Brasilian "scoundrels" (as you love to refer to them) did let them in , thus saving their arses. I know half a dozen of them and it is absolutely amusing to listen to their rants glorifying their late lamented compatriot Che and whining how cruel our "scoundrels" were to their fellow citizens.

Never mind my rants. Since you are a sharp operator and kept track of the "Malvinas/Falklands" conflict, let me ask you ask you a question: Have you heard of "Capt.Astiz" of the Argentine Navy? smilies/wink.gif
all right joao
written by asp, March 05, 2010
the wet noodle gets a little snap in it
Baen Brodi
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
Dr. Cata, I believe that we disagree on very little, just the means to accomplish our ends.

I find this to be the case in many instances as I travel the world. It is always a pleasure to interact and exchange viewpoints, because it is the case that our perspectives are shaped, in part, by our environment and learning experiences. So I also enjoyed this exchange and look forward to our continued exchange of ideas and experiences.
As my friends, João and the unconquerable Asp, can testify; I am always willing to engage in the challenge of ideas. Ever mindful that my views are not widely accepted and possibly flawed by inherent prejudices, I remain committed to the truth and look forward to your continued input in that process.

LOLLloyd
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written by João da Silva, March 05, 2010

all right joao

the wet noodle gets a little snap in it


You wanted a "sucker punch" didn't you?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Recommended reading to Dr.Cata: "Art of War" by Sun Tzu.

Recommendation to you: Google the name "Capt.Astiz" and do some reading about this MF.

I am still insisting that there were no American AWACs involved.smilies/cool.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
Dr. Cata. The information you are seeking about the British wanting to give the Falklands to Argentina is in a book by David Rock. It is titled, "Argentina, 1516-1987, From Spanish Colonization to Alphons'n. Page 377-378.
I spent the day researching the Falklands and the most recent developments. The Vatican and the Pope ought to be the ones to solve this mess; they started it.smilies/cheesy.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
"Capt.Astiz" of the Argentine Navy?


It was my assertion that I did follow the 'battlefield' together with some vet friends of mine and we did notice significant maneuvers by each side that determined the outcome. In truth, the Argentinians might have prevailed if they had "early, decisively, and effectively" used their resources in a more strategic manner. Although unfamiliar with the details 'on the ground', the experience did shape much of my present view on the status of Latin America and its relationship with the Empire.

So, I must plead ignorance of "Capt.Astiz" of the Argentine Navy? But...but..I look forward to your enlightenment as usual, my friend
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
Joao. If there were American AWACS involved, they certainly weren't doing their job. Despite the Argentineans being shot down with great regularity, they still managed to surprise the Brits.
Another thing. If there were AWACs, where were they? They certainly weren't at Ascension Island, which means they had to be somewhere close. Even something as complex and modern as an AWACs needs a base. Airplanes can't fly without fuel, and pilots have to sleep.

I've been reading so many press releases about the latest uproar over the Falklands that my eyes are tired. It is fascinating stuff. My gosh! I didn't know there was that much oil left in the world. No wonder the Argentineans are upset. That's a lot of lost revenue.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 05, 2010
Jane's is an well-known source for analysis of all things military. I'm reviewing a quick synopsis of the Falkland's war. It seems to address the fact that the Argentineans went for the toys, while the Brits invested in highly qualified manpower, tactics, and training. It also confirms that there were no AWACs involved. Instead, the Brits used picket ships, which they will not in the future; too outdated.
I hope that Brazil stays out of the next one and allows these two hard heads to figure it out. Again, Brazil's unique relationship to the area offers it a golden opportunity to demonstrate its diplomatic skills. Good luck.
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 05, 2010
All the "communists" of "good breed" had already left the country and many came here to spread their gospel among the Brasilians and to piss upon the ones who didn't agree with them.

Well...I believe at the time Buenos Aires was known as 'The Riviera of Latin America'. So I'm sure you must forgive your good neighbors for some degree of arrogance and chutzpah. Putting on European airs is quite common among the 'bourgeoisie' of Latin America. smilies/grin.gif

It is my understanding that those left in Argentina did not come to a good end at the hands of the military...of course, many of whom we'll never know due to their uncanny ability to 'disappear'.:' However, I believe part of my focus during that time was the financing of the adventure which takes it to another topic; IMF and World Bank complicity in 'financing' the military governments throughout the region.(for another day)
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written by Baen Brodie, March 06, 2010
Joao. It was 1:20 AM when I awakened to research Captain Astiz. I don't know why, but I'm glad I did.
I have a great deal more to learn about South American politics, although I was aware of the kidnappings and disappearances. Last time I was in Brazil visiting friends, they spared no words concerning Argentina, but I didn't totally understand. Now, I have something of an idea. No wonder the Falklanders wanted no part of attaching themselves to Argentina. Honestly, I think the Argentineans shot themselves in both feet, the knee caps, and the hips when they roughed the English up over the Falklands. I also think the Brits learned several valuable military lessons from the experience and won't allow such excursions to ever happen again, no matter how "French" the attacking force is next time.smilies/wink.gif
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written by dusty, March 06, 2010
I have to give props to João, Lloyd and Baen. I really enjoy your comments and the reasoning you put forth, your efforts are to be commended.

While I cannot even begin to comment on everything that is being discussed here, as the amount of topics is quite large. I will comment on a few different things. smilies/smiley.gif

Regarding the war on Drugs. The world gets a bit antsy when you suggest fire bombing entire countries in order to destroy the narcotics at the source. The Drug problem plaguing many of our nations will never go away until we all either legalize them and use it as a tax source. Or our populations decide to go cold turkey and make it unprofitable to grow and sell narcotics. How likely are either of these solutions?

I think it was João who mentioned the article on the former fighter pilot who compared all three aircraft that Brazil is looking at and chose the Gripen. I've commented in another article on this site that I feel Brazil is making a serious mistake with putting politics at the fore front of this decision. The Rafale is a POS, plain and simple. To date France has not been able to find a single country who is willing to purchase it and that isn't due to a lack of effort. It is just a really crappy platform. As an American, I should be pulling for Boeing and the F/A-18, but sadly I am not. I think the F/A-18 would be overkill for Brazil's needs at this point. The Gripen is a great plane that would do a wonderful job for the missions that Brazil seeks to use it. But alas this is a decision driven by politics and the FAB is not qualified to pick the plane that suits their needs. smilies/tongue.gif

Regarding Castro, I have mixed feelings. The distaste for Cuba stems from age old grudges during the Cold War. We all can go back and forth about which side has killed more people in the name of whatever ideology or religion. It gets us no where. There is a very very vocal Cuban-American minority that swings a lot of political weight in the US and keeps the age old practice of isolating Cuba on solid ground. None of our hands are clean, keeping that in mind there is no real reason not to open up diplomatic relations with Cuba. Obviously cutting them off hasn't done anything but keep the Castro's in power, so maybe renewing relations might change that.

The French suck. I remember years ago while taking a course on Vietnam, the French basically suckered us into that boondoggle and we went with it because they were our "buddies". Ho Chi Minh was no fan of Stalin and really didn't like the brand of communism being sold in the Soviet Union. I remember reading that Ho Chi Minh was a fan of Eisenhower and had sent him letters asking him to come and visit Vietnam to discuss relations with the US and shucking off the collar of French Colonialism. Eisenhower had no idea who Ho Chi Minh was and the French were quick to fill in the blanks in a less than flattering light. Long story short, McCarthyism was in full swing, we listened, figured we could trust our French friends from WWII and got ourselves into a fight that was never ours. I often wonder what it would have been like had Eisenhower entertained Ho Chi Minh's overtures and the US convinced France to give up their hold on Vietnam.

Regarding AWACS support during the Falklands War, they don't need a base in the area. All AWACS aircraft are capable of in-flight refueling. For long duration missions they have two flight crews that they rotate. Typically what they would do is send an aircraft in and keep it on station for 24 to 48 hours, rotate it out and replace it with a fresh aircraft. The limiting factor on long duration missions isn't fuel it is food.
dr (thanks a million joao) cata...
written by asp, March 06, 2010
you are and enigma to me, there is nothing to not admire about your past. raised in an orphanage in fort apache, of native indian heritage , what percentage i dont know, and served your country, im not sure what your experiances in viet nam were but i always have respected the people who put themselves in harms way for our country, and despised the leades who have squandered that precious recourse.

but somewhere along the line you seem to line up with the very people who would deny you the freedom you have to express your snake hips veiw of the histoyr of the world.

i dont want an emargo on cuba, but, the lives of the people there is something i wouldnt trade for anything.they dont have the basic freedoms to express themselves and find their destinies.

they are told what they have to do, what doctor they have to go to, what food they can eat and where they can go and not go, what they can do on the internet. to think the evils of human nature have been eradicated is just fantacy. just note the amount of prostitutes servicing foreingers in the hotels the averagy cuban cant go to.i could have a monster cabana life in cuba if i wanted to (just go through mexico)

all i can say is too bad for your arguments, but, you do live in a free country where you can express yourself any way you want to.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 06, 2010
It is apparent to me that South America is rich in oil and reserves, and again, I fear the Argentineans are missing the point. By locking horns with the British, they are locking themselves out of potential joint exploration for oil reserves, the creation of refineries that serve both countries, as well has the creation of income producing harbor facilities and the infrastructure necessary to support such a worthwhile industry.
But, no, here we go again, decrying the fact that the Pope and the Vatican gave them the Falklands, which the Brits aren't going to recognize.
Just today, I read of an increased English military awareness in the area in response. In addition, by declaring open hostility toward cooperation, the Argentineans are forcing the Brits into building additional independent infrastructure, including harbors and airfields on the Falklands, which in turn will increase parallel development, English civilian and military presence, and put the return of the Falklands to Argentina in more doubt.
Another dismal prospect, and I will be studying this with great interest, is the inevitable purchase of more French fighters, bombers, submarines, helicopters, and etc. by the Argentineans, who dearly need the money for their own economy! Indeed, the French must be beside themselves with the prospects for yet another FRENCH strategic alliance!
The French are scoring so well with arms sales this year; they just announced the sale of a 26,000 ton aircraft carrier to Russia, of all countries.
Yet, there is still hope, and the opportunity should not be wasted. What a great time for Chile and Brazil to remain neutral and add a bit of stability to the region.
The complete irony of the situation is how the Brits and
Argentineans who were once the greatest of friends now are at such loggerheads. And again, I hate to belabor the point, but Brazil could come out of this with world-wide recognition as a regional leader if the leadership awakens, maintains a Brazil-first policy, and interferes on the side of reason.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 06, 2010

Joao. It was 1:20 AM when I awakened to research Captain Astiz. I don't know why, but I'm glad I did.


I hope you didn't have nightmares after researching the material about him and went back to sleep!!

What a great time for Chile and Brazil to remain neutral and add a bit of stability to the region.


I expect a) Brasil to remain neutral b) No war to break out c) If the Kirchners insist on going to war, they will be thrown out of the government by their own fellow "caudilhos".

In case you don't know, Cristina had a crisis with the President of their Central Bank last month and she tried to fire him. According to their constitution, it is illegal and the Supreme Court blocked her decision. While I am not sure if he is still employed, it reflects the sorry state of their Economy. Unless Sarko donates the RAFALES along with French pilots to fight the Brits, there is no way Cristina can finance a war.There again who knows, she may sell her Province of Patagonia to the French to buy the Armaments.smilies/cheesy.gif

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written by João da Silva, March 06, 2010

I have to give props to João, Lloyd and Baen. I really enjoy your comments and the reasoning you put forth, your efforts are to be commended.


Thanks, Dusty. Your comments are food for thoughts also. Honestly I didn't know about Eisenhower ignoring the friendly overtures of Ho Chi Minh, though I have read quite a bit about the French colonizing Indochina and Algeria. As our other distinguished fellow blogger Ricardo Amaral says, the Americans were always suckered by the French. Dr.Cata must know about it better than I do.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

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written by Baen Brodie, March 06, 2010
The Argentineans are still flying the Mirage 3, the very same airplane that they fought the Falkland's war with while the rest of the world, especially the Brit's, have moved on.
I was aware of Ho Chi Min's advances toward the United states. What a mistake the American's made, but I believe they were worried about abandoning a friend. Indeed, the French had asked to "borrow" some American B-29's to teach Vietnam a lesson, but there was a General by the name of Curtiss LeMay that put an end to it. The French felt that their borrowing of the American B-29's would have saved their empire.
Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone, but historically, the B-29 incident may have been the beginning of the sour relations for the American and French cooperation. They considered it a stab in the back and never forgave the Americans. The amount of airplanes, armaments, and other materials the Americans gave the French for the debacle defies belief. Thankfully, most of it was surplus.
And Dusty, I agree with you, the F-18 may just be overkill. I also agree the the Grippen offers Brazil far more, as would a partnership with Sweden or even Germany when it comes to Submarine development, especially when it comes to partnerships and jobs.
As a matter of principle, I would never recognize a dictator, president for life, or theocratic despot, but I also don't see a need to nuke or help them, either.
Joao, I believe you know your country well. I give Brazil a great deal of credit.
dusty
written by Lloyd Cata, March 06, 2010
Quite a summation, sir...and with enough bits of your own knowledge and views to certain 'spice the stew' which this certainly has become smilies/wink.gif

Mr. da Silva certainly turned the tables and made me do my own 'research' on Capt'n Astiz smilies/cheesy.gif, certainly another monster who appears to have escaped the justice of the people, so far. Indeed, I wonder if these guys like him and the tyrant Pinochet went to the same training academy. Of course we all recognize that most of these maniacs attend the 'School of the Americas' or some such 'training' institute for indoctrination in 'all things imperialistic'.

Good to see there is much consensus on the French role in supplying inferior armaments, at exorbitant prices, with little chance of performing the missions of the FAB. The amazing thing is that Brazil is now committed to about 30 years of French military involvement. What an amazing lack of both hindsight and foresight on the part of Pres. Lula. Of course, I have always said this deal was to ensure French backing for Brazil's permanent seat on the UN Security Council, which I expect the US to block for many years to come. smilies/sad.gif

Gotta go...Mama is tired of my endless hours at this machine and she can be more terrifying than any dictator or despot, who give no 'rewards' for endlessly following the party line. smilies/wink.gif

Wanted to leave you guys with one last thought...The most dangerous man in the Western Hemisphere; US Ambassador Roger Noriega.
You won't find the juicy details in the bio...you'll just have to read between the lines and see where his nefarious hand has been. A brilliant strategist comparable to Kissenger, with all the credentials across the board.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 06, 2010

Gotta go...Mama is tired of my endless hours at this machine and she can be more terrifying than any dictator or despot,


Give our best regards and tell her that she may be violating your "human rights" by dragging you away from your friends.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 06, 2010

I give Brazil a great deal of credit.


You seem to know a lot about Brasil, Captain. That brings me to ask you a question: I suspect that you are indeed the author of the book "The road to Narrogin". Am I right?

Of course, you don't have to answer if you don't want to!
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written by Baen Brodie, March 06, 2010
Sorry, Joao. I'm not smart enough to author anything. But it is a particularly interesting cover and story line. Indeed, I would be too embarrassed to write a novel about a Brazilian who descended from a wealthy English/Argentinean ranching family. Sounds like far too much conflict for me!
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 07, 2010

Sorry, Joao. I'm not smart enough to author anything.


Since you are not the author of that novel, I will not be buying it to read! I suppose you are better in writing Instructions Manuals for various aircraft.smilies/smiley.gif

BTW, since I couldn't locate the MS Flight Simulator software in the stores here, I downloaded the "Demo" version. Unfortunately, MS does not provide it with Tutorials. I managed to figure out how to fly a couple of planes. Beech Baron is my favorite. Crashed the Learjet several times, but managed to land it on a cliff. Had to turn off the engine and glide to a halt, though.smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 07, 2010
Joao. Good for you! I don't think I'm good enough to land anything on a cliff, much less a jet!smilies/cheesy.gif You must be making a great deal of progress. BTW, I'm not a Captain either; I'm just a country boy, but thanks for the honor, anyway.smilies/grin.gif
Lula and Cuba
written by skoenig, March 08, 2010
Lula expressing his country's views on human rights anywhere is interference? He had no problem saying in Cuba that Obama should end the embargo against Cuba. Was he interfering in the internal affairs of the U.S.? Did Lula refrain from commenting on human rights abuses in Argentina and Chile in the past? He siad that during the Iranian president's visit he did express Brazil's position on human rights. How many members of the PT, of whatever rank, criticize the lack of human rights in Cuba? It's like Reagan calling President Marcos of the Philippines a friend of democracy. Politics as usual.
Seu Lula vou puxar a tua orelha
written by juca, March 12, 2010
Seu Lula como pode ser o "cara" e ser tao sinico assim!
Vou puxar a sua orelha!smilies/grin.gif

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