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Should the US Worry With China's Poaching in Brazil and Venezuela? PDF Print E-mail
2010 - March 2010
Written by Adam Trombly   
Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:41

Petrobras platform off Brazilian coastAs China's economy soared during the 1980's, its consumption of foreign oil rose as well, culminating in the country becoming a net importer of oil by 1993. Since this transition, China's real gross domestic product has maintained annual growth at about eight to ten percent, with Beijing now holding the distinction of being the globe's third largest importer of oil behind the U.S. and Japan.

China's consumption of oil is expected to steadily increase in the coming years, yet analysts predict domestic production will begin to decline by 2020.

China's current and ever increasing reliance on foreign oil has necessitated a broad search for oil reserves around the world. This quest has led China increasingly to Latin America, where it recently signed large oil deals with Venezuela and Brazil. This is in addition to its already existing oil related partnerships with Ecuador, Peru, Colombia, and Argentina.

China's funding of these multiple oil projects raises its already growing presence in Latin America, and will further its ubiquitous image on the continent as a deep pocketed investor. In as much as these oil contracts coincide with the recent explosive growth in trade between China, Venezuela and Brazil, the increase in trade will likely spill over to the entire region.

In the coming years other countries on the continent will presumably look to strike lucrative deals with China regarding the sale of their natural resources.

In addition to strengthening trade ties, China's oil contracts with Venezuela and Brazil may carry important political implications. Subsequently, an analysis of China's goals in the region reveal to what degree U.S. officials have reason to view Beijing's oil diplomacy in South America with alarm.

Analysis of the financial impact of these deals for Caracas and Brasilia reveals what factors motivated these two South American countries to sign multi-billion dollar contracts with Beijing.

Oil Deals With Venezuela:

On September 16, 2009 Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez announced the signing of an agreement between Venezuela's Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), and one of China's state run oil firms, China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC). The deal reportedly calls for China to invest US$ 16 billion over three years and will fund the development of oil in the Junin 4 block of Venezuela's Orinoco River belt.

On December 22, 2009 the China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) signed an agreement with Venezuela calling for the former to help develop the Boyaca 3 oil block in the Orinoco river belt. Currently, Venezuela supplies China with 400,000 barrels of oil a day, but it aims to increase these production figures to one million barrels by 2013.

This would put Venezuela's export of oil to China in line with its current export levels to the U.S. Furthermore, Caracas and Beijing plan to work on joint refinery projects in Guarico (Venezuela) and Guangdong Province (China) that would process Venezuela's extra-heavy crude oil in order to make it serviceable.

Effect on Venezuela:

Following its successful strategy of attaching infrastructural aid projects to oil deals in Africa, the Chinese government established a four billion dollar development fund in Venezuela that would pay for improvements to infrastructure and social development projects. This includes the building of railroads, housing, highways and schools.

A Los Angeles Times report in January of last year stated that Beijing had agreed to provide billions more in funding for another round of similar development projects in the future. The aforementioned oil contracts and Chinese sponsored infrastructural projects appear to represent a windfall for Venezuela and Chávez, but experts are skeptical as to whether these deals will ever come to fruition.

Venezuela is known for its propensity to make headline-grabbing announcements and has recurrently been unable to follow through on complex oil projects and intensive infrastructural ventures. In addition, the Chinese lack refineries for Venezuela's unique extra-heavy crude oil, which are otherwise only available in the U.S. and the Caribbean, and are jointly run by PDVSA and U.S. entities.

Professor Riordan Roett, the Director of Latin American Studies at John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, told about his doubts regarding recent oil deals between China and Venezuela. "If this project is in the hands of the Chinese it may happen, and if it's in the hands of the Venezuelans it probably won't happen. All you have to do is look back on the track record of Chávez. Whether it's ALBA, The Bank of the South, building pipelines across the continent, none of these things have happened because one, he can't afford them, and two, his regime is incompetent."

Even though these agreements with China are not binding and the financing is not close to entering Venezuelan bank accounts, Chávez has spoken pridefully of Venezuela's oil contract with the CNPC. Notably, at the same time, the Chinese have sat back and publicly made only passing mention of forthcoming projects in the South American nation.

The contrasting silence between officials in Beijing and the public announcements by Chávez suggest differing intentions and motives of these two governments. In February 2009 Chávez went so far as to declare, "All the oil China needs for the next 200 years, it's here. It's in Venezuela."

Chávez publicizes these agreements because he regards them as a fait accompli and because they legitimize his rule. For the Venezuelan President, the deals with China demonstrate his diplomatic capacity to orchestrate lucrative oil contracts while simultaneously raising the global economic relevance of his country.

On the other hand, China has its own reasons for not speaking publicly about its commodity agreements with Chávez. For one thing, China may not be that committed to extracting Venezuela's hard crude oil, and it may not even see itself following through on its non-binding agreement.

It is also possible that China's coyness when it comes to this topic is based on the country's desire to not ruffle the feathers of the U.S., which has a close, if somewhat sclerotic economic relationship with Venezuela, but is increasingly at odds with it diplomatically.

Cynthia Watson, a professor at the National War College specializing in East Asian and Chinese Affairs, referred to China's respect for the U.S.'s standing in South America, noting that, "China is willing to engage with Venezuela, but it is very cautious to not step on the toes of the U.S. China sees Chávez as a volatile leader, and it does not want to be part of the chaos that he entails."

Brazilian-Chinese Oil Deals

Unlike Venezuela, which struggles mightily when oil prices drop due to its oil-focused economy, Brazil has weathered the global recession and the downturn in oil prices quite handily. In part, this is due to Brazil having the most diversified economy in Latin America, and its government's healthy operating budget that does not solely rely on oil revenue to fund infrastructural projects.

However, even with abundant cash reserves, Brazil is turning to outside lenders such as China in order to help fund the development of its vast oil potential. Brazil recently discovered extensive reserves in the sub-salt layer about 200 miles off its coast, but much work lies ahead before it can begin extracting this oil.

These off-shore reserves are miles below the surface and covered by rock and salt deposits, requiring sophisticated technology that will be extremely costly to mobilize.

Due to the recent economic downturn, there are fewer lenders with the disposable capital to facilitate such costly long-term projects. However, deep-pocketed, state-sponsored oil firms in China are more than happy to fill this void.

In May of 2009, in return for a Chinese loan of US$ 10 billion, Brazil signed an agreement with Beijing to provide as many as 200,000 barrels a day, at market prices for the next ten years.

Other than simply looking to outsource some of the risk associated with such an expensive project, Johns Hopkins' Riordan Roett believes that Brazil likely came to this agreement with Beijing as a way to "put another building block in the strategic relationship with China. Brazil is perfectly aware that China needs its soy beans and iron ore; and if it now can have a ten-year agreement to supply China with oil, it is only one more brick in an important evolving relationship."

As the current agreement stands, Chinese oil firms have no stake in the extraction of oil from Brazil's sub-salt region. Erica Downs, an expert in Chinese energy security, expressed her belief that China loaned Brazil the US$ 10 billion with the hope that this would ultimately lead to a Chinese oil firm drilling in its sub-salt terrain.

Brazil's ability to take on this complex drilling project without technological assistance from other international oil firms is due to Petrobras' pre-eminence as an operator at offshore drilling sites. Petrobras already is recognized as one of the most technologically advanced oil firms in the world when it comes to offshore drilling, and it has no real need for Chinese technological assistance in these drilling projects.

Strengthening Trade Ties with Latin America

While ensuring its own long term energy requirements may have served as the impetus for China's oil deals with Venezuela and Brazil, Beijing's involvement in the region will also result in the fostering of stronger trade relations with all of Latin America.

For a cash-strapped, but oil rich country such as Venezuela, these oil contracts could help fund lagging social welfare programs as well as important construction and infrastructure projects in the immediate future.

After viewing the benefits of supplying China with oil, other Latin American countries are likely to be motivated to want to provide it with various other commodities. China's ever-growing need for a steady supply of Latin America's abundant resources - iron ore, copper, aluminum, nickel, and soy - suggest that the Chinese consumption as well as the dependence on Latin American commodities will continue to grow for years to come.

Beijing would be well served to follow the investment strategy it has pursued in Africa and introduce numerous infrastructural projects in Latin America in order to prevent any future push back from those nations that could come to view China as being exploitative.

Latin American countries that are today supplying China with a steady stream of natural resources, but are at the same time experiencing enormous trade deficits with China in the manufacturing sector, should use their leverage (China's appetite for their natural resources) to try and pressure China to reduce its vast trade surplus.

At the present time, China continues to flood the region with cheap manufactured products, while simultaneously importing a small percentage of their manufactured goods. If Beijing does take action to boost Latin American exports to China in return for assurances that commodities will continue to flow to China, the sale of such resources will have brought Latin America very tangible benefits.

China's Growing Political Ties with Latin America

In addition to expanding trade ties between China and Latin America, an added benefit of China's oil deals in the region will be the strengthening of political bonds between those nations. With contract negotiations necessitating frequent high-level meetings between the Chinese, Venezuelan and Brazilian officials, all sides are able to come to a better understanding of their respective counterparts.

China and Brazil share a particularly close connection, as they are both large developing countries experiencing enormous economic growth while simultaneously enjoying greater international influence and attention. The emerging status of Brazil and China on the global stage has led to frequent discussions between the two countries as evidenced by their close cooperation at the recently held climate change talks in Copenhagen.

Furthermore, there are signs that Brazilian-Chinese cooperation may become a function of the waning U.S. influence on Brazil. In April and May of 2009 China overtook the U.S. as Brazil's biggest trade partner, largely due to the increase in the amount of iron ore and soy exports to China.

During Brazilian President Lula's visit to Beijing last year, he met with Chinese President Hu Jintao, and reportedly discussed trading in their own currencies rather than the U.S. dollar. While the change in what currencies are utilized for trading is unlikely to happen this year, as trade continues to increase between the two countries, there will be growing pressure to move away from the American dollar.

When asked about the talks between China and Brazil, Sergio Gabrielli, the chief executive of Brazil's state oil firm, Petrobras, stated in May of 2009; "The U.S. has a problem. There isn't someone in the U.S. Government that we can sit down with and have the kinds of discussions we're having with the Chinese."

While Chinese-Brazilian relations appear to be gaining momentum, Chinese- Venezuelan relations are developing more slowly, likely due to Beijing's hesitancy to take on the political problems involved in embracing the turbulent regime of Hugo Chávez.

Should the U.S. be Alarmed?

The decision by Chinese officials to branch out beyond its traditional oil sources was likely precipitated by Beijing's desire to shore up its energy security, as opposed to primarily being an attempt to usurp American influence in the region.

With the majority of its oil originating in the Middle East and eventually traveling through the narrow Straits of Malacca, China's oil supply potentially could be compromised by international conflicts affecting these respective vulnerable regions.

By spreading its risk geographically and maintaining a diverse grid of supply lines around the world, China is less susceptible to regional flare-ups or other unforeseen scenarios such as natural disasters.

While the U.S. has had many years to shore up its own energy security by signing multiple oil contracts with its neighbors, as well as with countries in the Middle East, the alacrity with which China's economy has grown has not afforded the country much time to establish crucial oil contracts.

This has forced China to enter into contracts for less propitious oil arrangements in which other countries have been uninterested. China's determination to ensure its own energy security is further demonstrated by its signing of oil and mineral contracts with otherwise disgraced rogue governments of Sudan and Zimbabwe.

Beijing's apparent willingness to take a hit internationally by supporting these pariah states suggests that China's emerging presence in Latin America is yet another example of its determination to make deals with whoever has vital commodities for sale.

As China appears to be moving closer to Latin America through its oil deals and an assortment of other trade links, Washington has yet to show signs of discomfort with this burgeoning relationship.

Amid the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the attention the White House has given to the combative regimes in Iran and North Korea, the U.S. Government has paid little notice to Latin America in recent years.

This potentially could change if China continues to strengthen its ties in Latin America, and U.S. officials decide that they must, once again, assume a greater presence in the region.

The U.S. Government is slowly seeing its influence wane in Southeast Asia as China's "string of pearls" strategy is drawing it closer to its regional neighbors (with the exception of India).

As it loses some of its influence in this distant hemisphere, and China's presence in Latin America grows, the Obama administration may once again have a good deal of impetus to try to cultivate its relationship with nations to its south.

This especially could ring true if the Sino-U.S. relationship becomes more adversarial in the future because it could lead the U.S. to further engage Latin America in order to shut out China from what was once known as the U.S.'s "sphere of influence."

Adam Trombly is a research associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org. The organization is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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written by João da Silva, March 11, 2010

Should the US Worry With China's Poaching in Brazil and Venezuela?


No, it shouldn't. Instead, it should mind its own business and concentrate more on reducing the Chinese influence on its economy.
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written by Fredo, March 11, 2010
Brazil must be careful about the China taking resources but then exporting cheap manufactured goods back into Brazil. The Americas should cooperate and learn from each other.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 11, 2010
Joao is absolutely right. America should stay out of this future mess; America has enough problems with "Jimmy Carter the Second" to worry about any other country's problems for the moment. Besides, the opportunity for a "president for life" to associate with the likes of Communist China is an opportunity not to be missed. Chavez should enjoy the glory while the sun is still shining on him.
And Brazil needs to decide if it is going to refine its own natural resources into products and sell them to countries such as America or serve as a source of raw materials for China. I certainly hope it is not the second choice because Brazil deserves and can do far better. Indeed, Brazil needs to invest in itself and not to be deluded into thinking it is a part of a bigger picture by joining "Strategic Alliances" with other countries such as France, China, and Russia. Brazil first. Just my opinion. Thanks.
Wow
written by Lloyd Cata, March 12, 2010
Should the US Worry With China's Poaching in Brazil and Venezuela?
No, it shouldn't. Instead, it should mind its own business and concentrate more on reducing the Chinese influence on its economy.

Seldom forceful or opinionated, Mr. da Silva wastes no words when he has the truth on his side.smilies/cool.gif

Methinks he is tired of 'plantation politics' and the Monroe Doctrine, but I could be wrong and he only wants the Chinese to help fixing roads.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 12, 2010
I believe readers must be wary of another aspect of this article that isn't so clear. The author discusses China's strengthening bonds with Latin and South America; however, I question if these strengthening bonds are actually nothing more than dangerous liabilities. China is a huge nation with an equally incredible population. The West has always been condemned for its reach for resources, such as oil, and now its China's turn to develop new sources for the resources it needs, if it continues to strive for economic improvement for its population.
Initially, China's insertion into regions of the world where the West has tired of asserting its influence may appear as refreshing to many, but the economic principles that governed the West's conduct in such transactions are going to affect the Chinese. It's inevitable; today's pains will be tomorrow's cure and vice versa.
In addition, such long and complicated trade connections are a military liability for any nation. It may arise that if China is to survive in a crisis that it needs to assert control over its resources, inspiring a dangerous and intimidating military buildup. History only confirms the later argument over and over and over.
For instance, China's insertion into Africa, especially Zimbabwe, should be a lesson to everyone that currently there is an "eyes closed" policy and no limit to how low a hungry nation may descend. Zimbabwe is a disgusting blight upon Africa, and I have little hope that its population will benefit from such trade. Will Latin and South America become tomorrow's Middle East, and equally, its new battlefield? Could be. Didn't World War II teach the world anything.
And for a more regional reference, the English have found 60 billion barrels of oil about the Falkland Islands. Here we go again! If England was once willing to allow the islanders themselves to settle the issue and elect their own destiny, that prospect is probably over. I can only imagine that Argentina is suffering over the financial loss, despite finding additional oil closer to the mainland. Might it be someday worthwhile for the Argentineans, to save their pride and salvage their pocket book, to throw away caution and to wildly go into debt to purchase more French weapons?
I don't know; I'm not an expert, but I don't see China's strengthening ties to anyone as strengthening at all, but just a dangerous extension of liabilities. I believe that if the world was unimpressed by the history of the West's reach for resources, they are going to be equally, if not more, by China's hungry reach.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 12, 2010

Methinks he is tired of 'plantation politics'


You betcha smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

IMHO, both "Fredo" and Mr.Brodie speak for many Brasilians about the "China Trade". The U.S. can not do much about it as they themselves have their "Rabos Presos" with the "Middle Kingdom".

I have commented extensively about how Brasil is fast turning into a "Raw-material/Commodities" economy, thanks to the "China Trade". We should have learned from the experience of the U.S., but instead we are repeating the same mistake. Soon, soon, we will be importing frozen vegetables from PRC, like you guys are doing. I still can not get over the shock when I see Garlic produced in PRC being sold in the grocery stores here!

BTW, I have nothing against the Chinese and think that they are hard working and disciplined folks. They have come a long way since the end of WW 2 in feeding and educating their people.

Now to reply to your remark:

but I could be wrong and he only wants the Chinese to help fixing roads.


A thought provoking suggestion by your esteemed self.smilies/smiley.gif Instead, may I humbly propose we invite the government of PRC to offer a bid to build and run a railroad system in Brasil to carry freight and passengers? I bet our distinguished fellow Brasilian writer and commentator Mr.Ricardo Amaral would fully back up my proposal.
and the comedy continues from the southern hemisphere of disfunction..
written by eagles talons, March 12, 2010
if you cross a brazilian , a venezuelean, and a china men ,,,it probably would look like a midget hugo chavez ... perhaps a chinese automobile could be in the offing a sugar cane fueled motorized donkey cart .. or if you prefer a russian ,iranian,chinese,brazilian,venezuelan,cuban,equadorian bolivian,pakistanian , pig and goat factory..
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 12, 2010
I question if these strengthening bonds are actually nothing more than dangerous liabilities. China is a huge nation with an equally incredible population. The West has always been condemned for its reach for resources, such as oil, and now its China's turn to develop new sources for the resources it needs, if it continues to strive for economic improvement for its population.

This is very well, my friend, that the West has built its economic and military prowess by 'reaching out' for resources. It is entirely in their interests to provide their people with the means to a better future. That being a given of any sovereign nation, it is only to be determined a)"how" this is accomplished, b)What is the benefit to the "people" of Brazil. If done in an atmosphere of mutual respect and agreement that should be praised and supported.

However, when we look at the recent history, since WWII, it is readily apparent that nations have been raped for their resources, genocide has been allowed to flourish, and millions have died or live on the edge of survival to accomplish what is now clearly the failure of the Western economic model. Heaven knows it could have been different.

As you say, the Chinese have the same intention to grow their society with an eye to the resources of many nations. "How" they attempt to accomplish this "cannot" mimic the Western model. For 2 major reasons that model will not work. First; the world is too small and actions cannot be so easily hidden. Second; the Chinese cannot move so precipitously to 'force' the West to take military action to counter Chinese opportunism. The Chinese understand that they cannot hope to militarily confront the West. It is in their interest to convince their suppliers that they are a stable customer with the intent to raise both societies. That is an offer the West 'cannot' match, because for 1)their broke, and 2)their posture(which they are at pains to hide) is of a historical Empire with a military agenda to solve its 'absolute' need for the resources, which it does not have the money to pay for.

In this scenario, Brazil is 'only' responsible for the progress of its own people. It must negotiate 'fairly' with the Chinese and avoid the temptation of corruption in the relationship. Isn't corruption one of the 'deadly sins' which would allow the West the preemptively strike at the economy of Brazil. Corruption is what will endanger the Brazil-China relationship more than any military posture. Those resources are ultimately the 'property of the people' of Brazil. No matter how much is removed or managed by foreigners, the land will always exist in Brazil and must be used for the benefit of Brazilians. If the West cannot compete economically, and is diplomatically prevented from using the military option against a 'non-aligned' neighbor, then the only option is the corruption or 'perceived corruption' of the Brazilian government in order to destabilize the society. If your spending all your time pointing at each other, while they fill your pockets, you will hardly notice them stealing your future. A sorry picture quite similar to what is going on in Africa today.

We are all aware today how the Western economic model turned those liabilities into assets at the stroke of a pen and a circumvention of their own laws. The real liabilities are the 'people' that have to be removed and corrupted to accomplish the agenda of the West.

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written by Baen Brodie, March 12, 2010
I think we agree, Dr. Cata, to a point, but I reserve the right to consider the Chinese as anything but a group of friendly merchants! To me, they are a proven bunch of thugs as cruel and reckless as any country you care to name. I think history proves me correct.
If you are going to try and sway me to your side, it will take awhile. Remember, I distrust all "Strategic Alliances" equally. I also don't have a great deal of faith in the future. To me, it's always Brazil first.
As always, Dr. Cata, your words are dangerously well spoken. I must be cautious!smilies/wink.gif
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 12, 2010
bI reserve the right to consider the Chinese as anything but a group of friendly merchants! To me, they are a proven bunch of thugs as cruel and reckless as any country you care to name.

No question, sir, that the Chinese will take advantage whenever they see the opportunity to dominate others. That can be readily seen by their centuries-old attempts to conquer just about everyone in their neighborhood and their successful domination of Tibet and others in their neighborhood recently. China gets no points for just attempting to dominate their neighbors militarily and economically. However, they are presently unable to 'project' that local dominance outside their region. Their inability to project power is what puts them at disadvantage to the West. It will be many years, if ever, that they will have the capability to militarily 'enforce' any economic agenda outside their own 'questionable' borders. It is simply not practical or pragmatic for China to behave in a manner threatening to their Latin American suppliers. It is certainly in their interests to promote independent decision-making by Latin America when they have the money to 'buy' what they need for their continued progress. Remember, they are working with 'dollars' that may, one day soon, be worthless and they have a lot to accomplish before that happens. It would not be good for Brazil to still be holding those dollars when that time arrives.

The US is at great pains for China to revalue the Yuan because it cannot be seen to purposely devalue the dollar, which would have ripple effects throughout the world economy. A revaluation of the Yuan however would only adjust the imbalance of the West with China exports and decrease the financial position of any country that is heavily invested in dollar-denominated assets.

I.e., as the yuan rises, the Chinese will be able to buy Brazil cheaply, while the cost of Chinese goods will rise, and the inflation that I have been promising for Brazil will begin(causing my friend João da Silva untold anguish to buy PRC garlic). The West wins by promoting the Chinese as greedy and the US as the better cheaper alternative. Certainly a difficult paradox for the Chinese, but it is up to Brazil to cover its own assets, protect its people, and economy, by not playing to either side. US Treasury notes may seem to be the safest investment on the planet, however they do not ensure that you will not lose. What they ensure is that you will not lose 'everything' and no one is going to steal your worth-less dollars.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 12, 2010

Corruption is what will endanger the Brazil-China relationship more than any military posture.


I beg to differ. It will not "endanger" but...but..."strengthen" the bond between the "overseers" of the plantation and the "rulers" of the "Middle Kingdom".smilies/smiley.gif

Those resources are ultimately the 'property of the people' of Brazil.


Excuse me. Do the 85% of the Brazilians know that these resources are "their property"?smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Your long winded essay is highly factual as well as entertaining. You get my kudos and Captain.Brodie for contesting it. As customary, I remain on top of the "proverbial" wall.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers
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written by Baen Brodie, March 12, 2010
Again, Dr. Cata, you have impressed me! I just finished this month's issue of "Proceedings", a well-respected naval journal that regularly does a comparative navy analysis that I have subscribed to for over 20 years. In addition, I just finished reading an interesting Internet essay that comes to the very same conclusion that you have just stated.
At the moment, India appears as a greater sea power than China, and as a potential enemy, India worries China. China also appears well aware of the fact that it is perhaps overextending itself in its reach for raw materials. Indeed, there are sea lanes that could be denied to the Chinese currently that they would not be able to defend, especially about Africa and Asia. Believe it or not, China has yet to build its own aircraft carrier while many smaller nations about the world have at least one if not more, and analysts believe it could be until 2030 until China owns the skies above the oceans, but I wouldn't bet on it.
But the essays conclude by pointing out that China is a dynamic nation and unpredictable. They have a warrior history and currently take great pride in their resurgence and appear determined to become a world, or the world, powerhouse.
I fear that you are correct; Brazil needs to examine the future with balance, but if the trend by the Chinese continues, there will be more than extremely cheap garlic from the PRC at the local supermarket.

Your comment about the dollar was also keen. Indeed, your opinions are as well written as some of the best essays I read. smilies/smiley.gif Sometimes, I feel that the things you say are just to goad Joao and I; other times you amaze me, and I wonder why i'm paying for the magazines and services when I could just listen to you!smilies/cheesy.gif But I would never know when you are joking or teasing.
by the by, shall i fetch you all some more tea and crumpets......
written by asp, March 12, 2010
while you all decide the future of the world here
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 12, 2010
I beg to differ. It will not "endanger" but...but..."strengthen" the bond between the "overseers" of the plantation and the "rulers" of the "Middle Kingdom".

Unlike the West, China knows that it is at a disadvantage when it comes to corruption. Over many years, the West has built complimentary relationships with many segments of Brazilian society. There are military, economic, and political relationships that go back literally generations. In the matter of corruption it is not even a level playing field. The West can put more money into the hands of its partisans, and at the same time use its media links to expose any Chinese attempts to gain advantage. The Chinese know this and have no desire to poison Brazilian opinion; it is neither practical or pragmatic.

Do the 85% of the Brazilians know that these resources are "their property"?

They are certainly not there yet! But...but...if they ever do...
smilies/tongue.gif socialist fairyland smilies/tongue.gif

I remain on top of the "proverbial" wall.

Of course, my friend. Good walls become necessary at times like these. smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
asp
written by João da Silva, March 12, 2010

shall i fetch you all some more tea and crumpets......


We would certainly appreciate it.Please just make sure that the tea is from Sri Lanka and served in "proper cups" and not the ones made of plastic or Styrofoam.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 12, 2010
Dr. Cata, just when I begin to believe you have come to your senses, you begin to disassociate the Chinese with corruption! Put "Chinese Official Corruption" into your favorite search engine and see what interesting examples of poison you'll soon find.
I also can only assume you were joking when you described possible corruption by the Chinese in Brazil as neither practical or pragmatic! At last, finally, someone is declaring Brazil as a corruption-free zone! Now, will the Chinese practice this new saintly behavior only in Brazil or exhibit it in all the America's?
I also enjoyed your comparison concerning socialism being a fairyland. At last you understand us, Dr. Cata! Welcome to the otherside!
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 12, 2010
But the essays conclude by pointing out that China is a dynamic nation and unpredictable.

Right you are, sir. That unpredictability is what led to the Chinese to test a satellite weapon and caught the US in its own refusal to negotiate a 'space weapons treaty'. If the Chinese are serious about their ambitious space program it could change several dynamics.smilies/shocked.gif

Sometimes, I feel that the things you say are just to goad Joao and I; other times you amaze me, and I wonder why i'm paying for the magazines and services when I could just listen to you! But I would never know when you are joking or teasing.

João can tell you that I would never goad you into something against your common sense smilies/wink.gif Keep buying information that expands your understanding, as I do also. That my analysis coincides with theirs is simply due to my lack of 'intentional ignorance' in the face of truth.
I am always joking and teasing, because I would be a very depressed fellow if not for the feeble attempts by MSM to distort the facts, which endlessly amuse me.smilies/cheesy.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 13, 2010

I am always joking and teasing, because I would be a very depressed fellow if not for the feeble attempts by MSM to distort the facts, which endlessly amuse me.


We both share this trait! I hardly watch the TV these days even to get the news and when I do so, it is so amusing to hear how the facts are distorted. We have exchanged comments in this regard in another thread citing specifically the WSJ!
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 13, 2010

I just finished this month's issue of "Proceedings", a well-respected naval journal that regularly does a comparative navy analysis that I have subscribed to for over 20 years.


Thanks for providing the name of this journal. I accessed it over the internet and read the Admirals of various navies in the world talking about their own. That includes our Admiral Moura Neto and he talks about the "budgetary restriction" imposed by the government. The Indian Admiral sounds quite upbeat about his fleet and no wonder the Chinese are worried about their "Southern" neighbor!
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written by Baen Brodie, March 13, 2010
Joao, I don't think there is a better magazine anywhere that gets to the crux of the matter when it comes to navies of the world. It also appears to be the one magazine in the world in which admirals become quite open and honest with the truth behind their navies. Especially the navies that interest me the most.
For instance, I have read over and over about Brazil's latest military purchases, especially the submarines and have begun to wonder where the money is coming from. It answers a number of questions to have the leading Brazilian admiral explain in honest words that for the last several years Brazil has had to ration and save just to keep its navy at a reduced service level. Something doesn't make sense about the purchasing of the submarines. And now to learn that because of financial difficulties, Venezuela may not be receiving its submarines from Russia? Fascinating. Especially when you learn of the fistfight between Chavez[s bodyguards and the Russian sailors. Is that possible? How silly!
In addition, I have become interested in the number of quiet cooperative exercises between the US and Brazil. For two countries that seem to have some differences on page two or three of the newspaper, they seem to get along quite well on the open seas.
Another thing, [sorry about the number of comments], but despite their open vote that Britain should surrender the Falklands to Argentina, I'm beginning to detect over the years that perhaps Chile, and to a degree, Brazil, would rather that the English stay exactly where they are.
Artcles published on Brazzil magazine influencing the realtionship between Brazil and China
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 13, 2010

Definition:

Poaching: To take or appropriate something unfairly or illegally.


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The word poaching implies a negative connotation.


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Ricardo: First of all, I don’t think China is “Poaching” Brazil and South America.

Now quoting from the above article: “In May of 2009, in return for a Chinese loan of US$ 10 billion, Brazil signed an agreement with Beijing to provide as many as 200,000 barrels a day, at market prices for the next ten years.

…As it loses some of its influence in this distant hemisphere, and China's presence in Latin America grows, the Obama administration may once again have a good deal of impetus to try to cultivate its relationship with nations to its south.”

The author of this article it seems to be clueless about the many articles published here on Brazzil magazine about “Brazil and China” and following commentary after each article.

Many of these economic and business developments between Brazil and China are not happening by chance, and if the author of the above article had been reading the articles that I will list below then he would not be surprised about the Petrobras deal with the Chinese government and the close business and economic relationship that is in development between Brazil and China.

When Brazzil magazine started publishing my articles about Brazzil and China on Brazzil magazine we had almost no readers from China (I know that because I monitored the people from which countries had been reading Brazzil magazine. And after my articles started been published here on Brazzil magazine at times as much as 45 percent of the readers of Brazzil magazine were from China. And since Brazzil magazine published my first article about Brazil and China I sent the information about the article to a lot of Chinese government financial and economic organizations in China including the people responsible to invest China’s government money the China Investment Sovereignty Fund. I also sent a copy of my articles to all members of Congress in Brazil (to all senators and Deputados Federal and also to some members of president Lula’s cabinet) and I had the privilege of discussing directly with former president Jose Sarney when I met him in New York in December my article about China investing $ 200 billion dollars in Brazil - at the time that article had been recently published by Brazzil magazine.

If you are in doubt about what I am saying then just check when the articles were published on Brazzil magazine plus the commentaries following the articles and the business and economic development between Brazil and China that has been taking place.

You can bet the Chinese have been reading my articles and commentary and they have been following up with concrete actions for example: the Chinese loan of US$ 10 billion to Petrobras and as part of the same deal Brazil signed an agreement with Beijing to provide as many as 200,000 barrels a day, at market prices for the next ten years.

I had been suggesting that China lend the money to the Brazilian government in exchange for an agreement with Beijing for a guaranteed source in Brazil of foodstuff and other commodities for the Chinese market.

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Here are some of the articles that I mentioned above:
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 13, 2010

Here are some of the articles that I mentioned above:

1) Brazzil magazine in July 9, 2009
“With US Capitalism’s Demise It’s High Time for Brazil to Adopt the New Asian Currency” – Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/compone...l#comments

…Basically, the International Monetary System that we have had for a few decades that revolves around the US dollar has finally reached the end of the line, and the current international monetary crisis was the last straw necessary for the world to realize that it needs a new redesigned international monetary system that would be compatible with the new realities of the 21st Century.


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2) Brazzil Magazine – July 2008
Why Brazilians Should Demand the Renationalization of Petrobras
Written by: Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/article...obras.html


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3) Brazzil Magazine – October 2007
"The Smartest Thing China Could Do Right Now: Invest US$ 200 Billion in Brazil"
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral

…The final conclusion is: It's imperative that China move forward in an aggressive fashion and implement with Brazil the plan described in this four-part series of articles. And China should look at it as a matter of national security and future survival.

Monday, 01 October 2007 - Part 1 of 4
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9977.html

Friday, 05 October 2007 - Part 2 of 4
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9979.html

Thursday, 11 October 2007 - Part 3 of 4
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9983.html

Tuesday, 16 October 2007 - Part 4 of 4
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9985.html


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4) Brazzil Magazine - March 2, 2007
“Here Is Why Brazil Should Adopt the New Asian Currency”
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9821.html

…Since December of 1998 I have been advocating and writing many articles saying that Brazil should adopt the euro as its new currency. But the world has been changing at the speed of light since then and everything is evolving very fast today.

In the last two years I have changed my mind regarding Brazil adopting the euro as its new currency, because the entire ball game has changed from the Brazilian perspective in the last few years, and in my opinion, in the near future, Brazil should adopt instead the "New Asian Currency," a new currency similar to the euro on its effort to adapt to the new global economic reality.


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5) Brazzil Magazine - September 06, 2006
“While the American Dream Is Outsourced Brazil Drives the World into the Future”
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/compone.../9684.html

…Another trend that is underway is: in a very short period of time China is becoming the most important business partner of Brazil. China has been quickly replacing the United States' influence in Brazil and in other South American countries such as Venezuela, Chile, and so on.


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6) Brazzil Magazine - June 2, 2005
“While China Rises the US Falls in Brazil and Latin America”
Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/2005-ma.../9296.html

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Correction...
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 13, 2010

Ricardo: I had the privilege of discussing directly with former president Jose Sarney when I met him in New York in December of 2007 my article about China investing $ 200 billion dollars in Brazil - at the time that article had been recently published by Brazzil magazine.

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written by Baen Brodie, March 13, 2010
I am new to this site and will be reading Ricardo's articles over the next few days. China's interest in Brazil certainly interests me. I've been researching what products China buys from Brazil besides a few airplanes and Brazil's auto technology. From the outside, the trading seems a little one-sided and definitely in China's favor. Just scanning a few of Ricardo's articles, I believe I came up with something akin to the fact that America is outsourcing its future. Isn't that what Brazil might be doing if it sells its raw materials and accepts finished goods in return. Any visit to an American shopping center leaves you wondering what the Americans make in their own country besides military hardware. No wonder they seen hard set to find jobs. I hope that Brazil is not following the same path.
Another interesting note I discovered while researching Arab oil sales today is that China now surpasses America in purchases of Saudi oil.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 13, 2010

It answers a number of questions to have the leading Brazilian admiral explain in honest words that for the last several years Brazil has had to ration and save just to keep its navy at a reduced service level.


A large majority of the officers of our armed forces are blunt and outspoken. So his statement doesn't come as a big surprise to me.

For instance, I have read over and over about Brazil's latest military purchases, especially the submarines and have begun to wonder where the money is coming from.


Not only you, but me and my circle of friends and relatives too. The same thing applies to the PAC (Accelerated Growth Program). The acronym sounds pompous though.smilies/wink.gif

In addition, I have become interested in the number of quiet cooperative exercises between the US and Brazil. For two countries that seem to have some differences on page two or three of the newspaper, they seem to get along quite well on the open seas.


Not only on the open seas, but also on other spheres. In spite of the articles published by the " Research Associates" of COHA.smilies/cool.gif

but despite their open vote that Britain should surrender the Falklands to Argentina, I'm beginning to detect over the years that perhaps Chile, and to a degree, Brazil, would rather that the English stay exactly where they are.


You are correct. Now that a "rightist" candidate has been elected in Chile, it will become more obvious to Kirchner clan to go back to the negotiating table to discuss about the fate of the "kelpers" with the Brits. As for the Brasilian support, they can count us out.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
sugar or sweetner, joao,? and , i know ,red kool aid for cata
written by asp, March 13, 2010
ricardo, for gods sake dont let the chinese know you are manipulating them with your articles in here...you will spoil all your carefully laid plans "when r amoroal talks, the chinese are listening..."

good job though, keep up the good work

man, i was going to bring up that thing about the euro,kind of like the "obama"thing? dont worry, most major league baseball players only get a hit every 4or 5 times at bat... but three strikes and you are out....lets see what happens with the colombia bases and the invasion and the eventual total colapse and ruin of the united states empire...but please man, im making plans on your predictions and you are shaking me up a little here

by the way, we need a post office and a health clinic where i live, could you use your enourmous influence and power of pursuasion and write an article in here and send it to the senators and chinese, i sure would apreciete it....your joke was really funny
Reply to ASP
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 14, 2010

ASP: ricardo, for gods sake dont let the chinese know you are manipulating them with your articles in here...you will spoil all your carefully laid plans "when r amaral talks, the chinese are listening..."


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Ricardo: I had no intention of manipulating anybody with my articles – I just made some suggestions regarding economic development that would be mutually beneficial for both countries to China and also to Brazil.

I don’t have any hidden agenda, and my suggestions are a win/win strategy to Brazil and to China; that is why they have been paying attention to my articles.

China has been doing something right regarding China’s economy, since they have been able to lift out of complete poverty 100’s of millions of Chinese.

In the United States the economic system has been engaged on a race to the bottom, and millions of Americans are becoming completely destitute.

ASP I want to remind you that we already know that you are a “Monday Morning Quarterback”. We have established that on the comments section of other articles.

The point that you are missing is that my articles and comments about China and Brazil happened beforehand (right here on Brazzil magazine) and not after the events had materialized and become a reality and agreements were made between Brazil and China.

The key word here is: Beforehand

Definition of beforehand:
1. In anticipation.
2. In advance; early.


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ASP: by the way, we need a post office and a health clinic where i live, could you use your enourmous influence and power of pursuasion and write an article in here and send it to the senators and chinese, i sure would apreciete it....your joke was really funny


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Ricardo: Your statement shows how shortsighted you are and it does not matter how many times you read my articles you can’t grasp the big picture.

My articles are talking about China investing $ 200 billion dollars in Brazil – to build the foundations for a major economic development around Brazil.

And you are concerned with a local post office and a health clinic.

By the way, why don’t you move to a place where they have at least a post office and a health clinic?

I guess you are not that smart if you can’t figure out even that simple solution to your problem.

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Reply to Baen Brodie
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, March 14, 2010

Baen Brodie: Any visit to an American shopping center leaves you wondering what the Americans make in their own country besides military hardware. No wonder they seen hard set to find jobs.


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Ricardo: Are you an American?

Where do you live in the USA?

Besides military hardware the United States is very good at making movies – Hollywood and Theme Parks.

No wonder that today most Americans live in Fantasyland and they are not even aware of that fact. And Wall Street, the major banks, and the US financial system in general live in La La Land.

Wall Street makes a ton of money ripping off people from around the world. And the most prestigious and prosperous New York Mafia Family – the Goldman Sachs Family – are very good at developing all kinds of financial scams (they have the best scam artists in the world) they can screw people from Europe to Asia, and if your country needs some scam to hide its real financial position the people to call is: Goldman Sachs and their army of scoundrels.

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yeah,im the monday morning quarterback....
written by asp, March 14, 2010
and you are the armchair quarterback....

you know, obama, the euro...

like i said, im making serious plans on your predictions and you are shaking me up here
asp
written by João da Silva, March 14, 2010
sugar or sweetner, joao,?


Grade A Brasilian sugar, if you don't mind, ASP.

Though it is easy to set up a "Health Clinic" in your neighborhood, it would be difficult to find professionals to staff them. Too many gun wielding patients threatening to blow the brains of the doctors and you must be aware of such "incidents".

In the absence of a health clinic, I suggest you consume plenty of garlic imported from PRC. It is supposed to cure everything.

Why do you need a Post Office? Are your courier pigeons getting old?smilies/cheesy.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, March 14, 2010

Ricardo: Are you an American?

Where do you live in the USA?


He sounds more like an officer of our FAB.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 14, 2010
Oh, that's all. I thought he was asking for a date.smilies/cheesy.gif
Ricardo Amaral
written by Lloyd Cata, March 14, 2010
There is so much we agree on, sir, that I find it a bit confusing 'your' socialist agenda. Has capitalism seen its apex and now is destined to decline as the worlds foremost economic system? You craftily put into place the arguments for that decline, yet there remains in your 'plans' the 'opportunity for greed' to increase which I find unsettling. Profit is to be admired and where possible duplicated, but we cannot always distinguish between 'profit' and 'greed', so I look forward to your further analysis on this point. Being an economist I understand your hesitation to voluntarily 'reduce the bottom line', but my question pertains to 'sharing the bottom line' amongst 'all' Brazilians. For now I would like to focus on our agreements, and in reading your work(kudos, it is not easy work);

Why Brazilians Should Demand the Renationalization of Petrobras
Written by: Ricardo C. Amaral
http://www.brazzil.com/article...obras.html


Clearly a more complete rationalization of 'socialist policy' than is ever put forward by more 'accomplished' economists.

It seems that if oil is so important and so rare, as they tell us, we should have a better control of our own national breserves when we take in consideration that oil is a strategic and economic asset.

I certainly agree(but would expand significant regulation to the 'entire' energy sector), my friend. Here is the rub; why should we limit strategic and economic assets just to oil? If the largest food chains in Brazil were engaged in 'price manipulation', would that also be grounds for nationalization? Yet, I am convinced that nationalization of 'energy' is equivalent to having a strong military and strong economy. Ownership, by the people, is one thing, but heaven forbid to have government bureaucrats to manage the corporation. If clearly there is a reason 'for' outsourcing it is the 'independent management' of state monopolies. This is the means by which to accomplish 'peoples' ownership of 'strategic resources' with a 'profit' outlook and government regulation. That appears to me to be a 'reasonable formula' for sustained growth, in which the 'people' are the base, from them flow the government oversight of resources, and managed('fairly' compensated) by executives of clean and clear character to be affirmed by the senate.

You see where we are going my friend is, in fact, a three-dimensional way of thinking about all the structures of our societies, but the base of that structure has to by 'definition' begin with the 'people'.

Now, if your still with me...the West has consistently operated on models of linear or two dimensional economic platforms. So is it no wonder that they can manipulate that same pyramid in any manner they choose --- or choose to represent to you through the media -- which side of the pyramid is more profitable to them and which part to represent to the people. When the 'people' decide to, in fact, reassert their 'status' as the 'base' of the pyramid, and reject the 'light show' that the Empire has propagated through its media empires and 'prisms' of fantasy....THAT IS CALLED REVOLUTION! It is neither illegitimate nor illogical.

It will be difficult for the West to admit this principle to their people after building up such a spectacular 'light show' and they are at great pains to keeps this show going by 'revaluing' their 'real' assets. If they cannot...it's lights out! That is the reason the US government abdicated its economic powers to Goldman Sachs and handed Wall Street the 'credit card' of the American people. My friends, with the recent USSC decision for business 'control' of government election process, the balance of power in the US is completely upside down.
Brasil's choice
written by brasilgo, March 17, 2010
Brasil has the right to make deals with whomever they choose and it's ridiculous to avoid deals with someone because they have a different political philosophy than you do. Money has no religion, philosophical, or moral agenda it's just what it is and that's money. If the deal is good for Brasil and good for China, then hang all the other stuff, as long as the product arrives on time and the bill paid what does it matter. US needs to wake up and realize they aren't the biggest kid in the neighborhood anymore, other countries that were once considered unstable or 3rd world are now stepping up and with today's technological advances they can turn the corner much faster than in the past.
brasilgo
written by Lloyd Cata, March 17, 2010
Brasil has the right to make deals with whomever they choose and it's ridiculous to avoid deals with someone because they have a different political philosophy than you do. Money has no religion, philosophical, or moral agenda it's just what it is and that's money. If the deal is good for Brasil and good for China, then hang all the other stuff, as long as the product arrives on time and the bill paid what does it matter. US needs to wake up and realize they aren't the biggest kid in the neighborhood anymore, other countries that were once considered unstable or 3rd world are now stepping up and with today's technological advances they can turn the corner much faster than in the past.

Well said. Very well saidsmilies/smiley.gif
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written by Martin Gajewski Jr., March 19, 2010
O boy....I think everyone has missed the light ! ! ! Selling resources cheap and probably opening up doors for low-tariff imports from China will compromise Brazil to say the least. That is all the Chinese are waiting for to take over this highly consuming market ( they already have been doing it but these alliance and trade treaties will make sure the tariffs get dropped ). It is definitely more of a target than an alliance...it is rather obvious. There are three or four dozens of other locations China may or can get their oil from....mineral ore is an another story...nobody sells it cheaper than Brazil ( pretty bad move if you ask me ). Why did we ( US ) let Chinese take over our domestic market with all of those imports ??? Look what occurred due to this issue.

US should start worrying about itself and invest in its' local economy, jobs, employment, education, infrastructure and techonolgy. In the 70's & 80's we were the biggest technology exporters... What happened to that? GM killing the HUMMER line? Who made that bright choice? Do you guys have any idea how many high net-worth individuals own those in BRAZIL RUSSIA INDIA CHINA ? ? ? But why not screw that up too with "we do not manufacture one of America's biggest icons to export it". DUMB MOVE, we all must agree here...Where is Kissinger when you need him ?

So, are we going to be AMERICA'S against them? We better or China will take over the world ( economically ). US must drop it's tariffs for ethanol imports in order for Brazil to drop the tariffs on the US imports. There is no other way...China will do the same exact thing in Brazil as it has done in the US. Brazil has to learn on that mistake.

The long term answer is patriotism. Brazil has to have more of it, economically speaking and not just greedy, corrupt by culture defects. Lula started cleaning some of this up. Someone should continue on the same path...it is hurting the country very much !

US has to stop involving itself in the Middle Eastern PROBLEMS. Stay out. It is too expensive for a country that is in trouble and does not compensate like it did during the Cold War.

Actually, it would be a very good idea for Brazil and US to do some good relations with Russia & India. Today India is a very direct competitor to China. Drastic, forceful measures will not prevail during these volatile times. Chinese investments in Brazil could leave Brazilians owing their underwear to them, be very careful of this. You do not want China to become Brazil's Bank like it has done with the US. I imagine that China currently owes more than 20% of US.

Couple comments on comments...I prefer to write in a much simpler languages which hopefully will help most readers not close this page and bore them too much with such manners where it leaves most lost.

Energy should never be in governments control ( only regulated to a certain degree ) and it should be thrown to all of the anti-trust ( monopoly ) laws as much and where it is possible. These sectors should be left to real businessmen and not politicians which will dilute, corrupt and will only damage the profitability structure by their own nature.

Ricardo>>> I would really watch those comments on Goldman & Sachs. They do nothing but praise Brazil. How is LA treating you? Just as dangerous as Rio de Janeiro, huh?

Ricardo continued: I understand that scandalous or very blunt maybe even ridiculous articles bring in attention but to say that the currency ( international monetary system ) needs an overhaul and this will happen sooner than later is a bit frivolous to say the least. Do you have any idea what it would take for this to happen ? ? ? I also would not mention Sarney...some people actually know Brazilian History and Current Events.

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