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Can Brazil Get Olympic Medal for Fighting Crime, Child Sex and Police Brutality? PDF Print E-mail
2010 - March 2010
Written by Megan McAdams   
Thursday, 18 March 2010 21:47

zzz With colorful and scandalous flourishes, in a nation where the bizarre is often normal, Brazil's Carnaval kicked off throughout the country on February 12. The celebration is especially exotic in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil's second largest city, where the samba dancers' elaborate talents draw millions of tourists each year.

Given the huge influx of foreign revelers and the importance of tourist dollars to the Brazilian economy, the government must make very significant investments to provide for the safety and security of these visitors. However, the button-down country that most tourists experience is markedly different from the harsh everyday reality and the entirely routine violence encountered by many ordinary Brazilians.

The day before Carnaval began, Rio de Janeiro's military police clashed with alleged gang members involved in the drug trade in the Jacarezinho slum in Northern Rio. In the skirmish, the police shot and killed seven suspects while one police captain was killed. This type of violence has become a tedious certainty in Brazil's slums.

As the country prepares to host the two largest sporting events in the world, the FIFA World Cup in 2014 and the Summer Olympic Games in 2016, the international community's scrutiny has pushed Brazil's poverty, crime, and police brutality issues into the center of the public arena.

While Carnaval brings in nearly 70% of the country's annual tourism tally, greater numbers of visitors are certain to pour into Brazil for the mega-events of the World Cup and the Olympic games. But in advance of this increased tourism, Brazil's ability to host successful, and more importantly, safe events, has been called into question.

These events will test the government's ability to tackle issues of poverty, rampant crime, and an increasingly violent, brazenly corrupt, and unprofessional police force. Brazil's response to the pressure that comes with being thrust into the international limelight may serve as the catalyst necessary for enacting long-term reforms of its basic system of law enforcement, as advised by alarmed consultants, and improving the elementary quality of life for its citizens.

For the Brazilian government to truly affect lasting change, the focus must not be placed solely on providing short term security for its international visitors. Rather than only "cleaning up" its slum neighborhoods, Brazil must improve the quality of life for those who live in poverty, empower its police force with training, promote professional standards, and implement financial incentives to encourage the use of less aggressive tactics and a greater sense of fundamental discipline.

International Spotlight

The international community has raised serious concerns regarding security in Brazil both prior to and immediately following its winning bid to host the summer Olympic Games in 2016. But the International Olympic Committee (IOC) remains confident that there is ample time for Brazil to tackle its massive crime problems.

Mark Adams, a spokesman for the IOC, expressed this sentiment, saying that, "we have confidence in [Brazil's] capacity to deliver a safe Games in seven years."

However, if the country hopes to host a successful World Cup in 2014, the timetable obviously must be expedited. According to an October wire story published by Reuters that suggested that the experience of the Pan American games in 2007 in Rio de Janeiro did little to inspire confidence in Brazil's ability to provide the facilities and critical infrastructure that would be crucial to the success of a global sporting event.

The article concluded that, "much of the pledged infrastructure was never built and it did not provide the economic windfall that residents had expected." One point in Rio's favor is that in preparation for the games, the city's budget will be significantly larger which hopefully will ensure that the necessary facilities will be constructed in time as well as being of high quality.

In advance of the 2007 Pan American games, the Brazilian government launched a series of violent raids in crime areas in an attempt to break up the networks that control Rio de Janeiro's favelas. Ignacio Cano, a sociologist at Rio de Janeiro State University, stated that, at the same time the program was implemented, "officials and the media clamped down on critics of the policy."

Cano continued on to argue that, "if the same state of mind prevails for the Olympic Games, it's going to be terrible for the city." A January New York Times article reported that city officials had indeed launched a "pacification program," just like the one feared by Cano, that involves occupying the 40 most violent slums in the city.

While these initiatives illustrate attempts to clean up the city's image and ensure the safety of its residents, they also could grant unqualified liberty to a police force whose reputation already has been challenged for its use of excessive force and summary execution of suspects.

As the government ramps up its presence in the slums, the innocent civilians struggling to survive in these impoverished areas - especially women and children - find themselves caught between violent gangs and an equally brutal police force.

Poverty's Devastating Cycle

On January 30 of this year, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva received the Global Statesmanship Award at the 2010 World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos. In his acceptance speech, he touted his country's economic accomplishments but urged that further development must go hand in hand with the fight against poverty.

Brazil has paid off its external debt and accrued reserves totaling US$ 240 billion. Moreover, in recent years, the Brazilian government has decreased the once-massive gap between the country's rich and poor populations. While 31 million Brazilians have moved into the middle class, the Brazilian elite, or the wealthiest 10%, still possess 50% of the country's wealth.

Meanwhile, if the government hopes to continue its fight against poverty, it must focus its efforts on providing adequate housing, education, and security to those living in the slums. This will elevate the portion of the country's population now experiencing a minimal standard of living to a higher level.

Rio de Janeiro alone has nearly 1,000 slums located throughout the city and on nearby hillsides. Nearly 1.5 million of Rio de Janeiro's citizens are united in their struggle to survive in these favelas. A recent call for action by Amnesty International titled "Demand Dignity in Brazil's Favelas," describes the factors that ensnare individuals in the slums' devastating cycle of poverty.

First, housing in the favelas is both inadequate and insecure. The government's inability to ensure adequate shelter for their citizens confirms the belief of many slum dwellers that their well being is not a priority of Brazilian government. Without a strong government presence, organized crime networks have established control over housing and basic utilities in the slums. Since the government often fails to provide even these most basic of services, residents are forced to turn to these groups for water and electricity.

Secondly, individuals living in the slums have little to no access to education. Amnesty International's report found that getting to school in the favelas meant navigating dangerous streets and avoiding gang members looking to recruit children. The report also found that "Drug factions are reported to use children as young as five as aviãozinhos (little airplanes or messenger boys) and so start to incorporate them into gang culture."

Even when the students take their seats, ready to learn, violence and crime in the classroom are sadly commonplace. Due to safety concerns and exposure to drug culture at an early age, there exists little opportunity for pupils to take advantage of whatever coursework or positive social structure that the schools might have to offer.

Education is key to breaking the cycle of poverty, as it can lead to meaningful employment and improve the standard of living for an entire family. As a result of the random violence in the slums and even within schools areas, children are unable to acquire the skills that are necessary to lift them out of poverty.

Individuals living in these areas also lack access to a reliable healthcare system, which disproportionately punishes women and children. Healthcare workers, due to prejudice and security concerns, are hesitant to enter the slums, where their lives are seriously at risk. According to Amnesty International, this directly impacts pregnant women, who receive neither pre-natal nor post-natal care, which inevitably results in high maternal and child mortality rates.

Children are also vulnerable to diseases spread through polluted water and unsanitary conditions in the slums. Deaths resulting from these realities are examples of the innocent lives lost in the struggle between the government and criminal gangs in some of the poorest areas of Brazil.

Finally, personal security issues plague slum dwellers and rob them of opportunities to advance in society. Crime and violence not only prevent students from succeeding in school but also deprive families of the ability to acquire a stable income when fathers and sons are falling victim to gang violence and police raids. Without income, the family's situation becomes even more dire and further entrenches them in poverty's clutches.

Amnesty International reports that, "years of state neglect has created a vacuum which has been filled by criminal gangs." Consequently, these gangs control access to crucial social services like housing, healthcare, and education and force citizens to turn to them to survive. These groups continue to perpetuate a culture of violence in the slums that has stolen the promise of thousands of lives.

Brazil's Crime Problem

Murders, kidnappings, and muggings are common occurrences in the poorest areas of Brazil. According to a report from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (UNODC) the homicide rate in the country doubled from 15 to 32 homicide victims per 100,000 citizens between 1980 and 2002. Gang warfare and violent robberies have generated one of the hemisphere's highest murder rates, with Brazil having 35.8 murders per 100,000 people.

In addition, organized crime, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW), is "well-developed" in both Rio and São Paulo with drug gangs controlling large areas of the city and continually warring with rival factions. Two main issues that underlie Brazil's crime problems are the pervasive crime networks that perpetuate drug-related violence and underground industries such as the various forms of human trafficking.

Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo's slum neighborhoods are principally controlled by large, established criminal organizations. In a recent Reuters article discussing the selection of Brazil to host the Olympics, the author writes that, "For the first time in modern history, the IOC selected a host city that has large areas outside state control, dominated by heavily armed drug gangs and militias made up of off-duty police officers and firefighters."

While some residents believe that these groups are helping in the fight against the "true oppressor," the Brazilian government, no one doubts that these groups are responsible for running the drug trade, trafficking and enslaving men, women and children, and high levels of murders, kidnappings, and muggings.

Comando Vermelho (the Red Command), Amigos dos Amigos (ADA, or Friends of Friends), and Primeiro Comando da Capital (PCC, or First Command of the Capital) are three of the most established criminal networks in Rio and São Paulo.

While the organization does not have as strong a presence as it once had in the 1990s, Comando Vermelho, founded in 1979, controlled 38% of the most violent areas surveyed by the University of Rio de Janeiro's Violence Research center (Nupev-Uerj) in January 2009.

The ADA, a reconciliatory established organization, is one of the chief rivals of the Comando Vermelho. The ADA currently claims control of Rocinha, one of Rio's sprawling favelas. Violent clashes between the two groups broke out in October 2009 when Comando Vermelho units moved into ADA territory in the Morro dos Macacos slum. Gun battles between the two gangs as well as with security forces erupted with at least 12 vehicles being set on fire.

Gang members possessed heavy weaponry and even managed to shoot down a police helicopter, killing three officers. The violence came just two weeks after the IOC selected Brazil to host the Olympics. The ensuing media attention prompted the governor of Rio's to promise US$ 58 million in funds to better equip police officers to combat the proliferating gangs.

The third gang, the PCC, which began operating in 1993, is primarily based in São Paulo and is responsible for augmented drug trafficking, highway robbery, and terrorist activities. The group is most noted for organizing attacks in May 2006, the worst wave of violence in Brazil's recorded history.

Beginning on May 12, members of the PCC attacked banks, police posts, government buildings, and took over and destroyed various public facilities. Adding to the chaos, prisoners in 73 of São Paulo's prisons and detention centers rebelled, creating a volatile situation.

According to one wire story, the attacks and resulting police response left 200 people dead. While the violence was intended to wreak havoc on the city, the true targets of the attacks were São Paulo's police officers. These attacks demonstrated the strength of criminal organizations in Brazil and the brutal tension between police forces and these drug gangs that always lies near the surface.

Human Trafficking

These criminal organizations also are involved in the trafficking of human beings and sexual exploitation of women and children. Human trafficking is an illegal industry that enslaves 600,000 to 800,000 victims each year, with a growing number of these victims originating in Brazil.

According to the State Department's Trafficking in Persons Report 2009, Brazil is a source country, or nation from which trafficked victims are taken. The report states that 25,000 Brazilian men and boys are annually forced to labor on large farms, cattle ranches and in sugar cane factories. These individuals are subjected to arduous workloads and exceedingly long working hours while being denied access to sanitary facilities, proper nutrition, and healthcare.

While human trafficking exploits a significant number of men for cheap labor, women and children are especially vulnerable. Typically, traffickers target Brazilian women and children from rural areas and bring them to urban centers where they are sexually exploited.

According to the State Department, child sex tourism is an especially troubling issue in Brazil, with between 250,000 and 400,000 children trafficked and forced to engage in sexual acts "in domestic prostitution, in resort and tourist areas, along highways, and in Amazonian mining brothels." Many of these children are taken advantage of by European and American tourists who travel to Brazil specifically to engage in sexual tourism.

The World Cup and the Olympics will not only bring dedicated soccer fans, but also an increase in the number of child sex tourists who will see the event as a prime opportunity to exploit Brazil's children. As visitors arrive in Brazil, the demand for sexual services from women and children in Brazil's brothels and elsewhere will increase exponentially.

Meanwhile, in South Africa, which will be the first African nation to ever host the soccer World Cup this coming June, concerns over human trafficking have already have been raised. The State Department and the UNODC, in anticipation of an increase in human trafficking prior to the tournament, has urged South Africa to adopt stricter measures to curb the illegal industry.

There is little doubt that Brazil will experience a comparable increase in trafficking activity. Brazil must adopt more stringent measures so that offenders are brought to justice prior to the opening ceremonies.

The Violent Police Response

The Brazilian police force is underpaid, understaffed and untrained, making it increasingly difficult for officers to adequately respond to the country's rampant criminal activity. As a result, the overwhelmed service often uses excessive force to subdue suspects, which sends a powerful message to other potential criminals that the police are anything but professional.

In the United States, police are far less likely to employ deadly force than those in Brazil. American cops arrest 37,000 individuals for each incident where an officer kills a suspect. In stark contrast, Rio's police officers arrest only 23 people for each individual killed.

According to a recent report from HRW, in confrontations between police and civilians in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, the police have killed 11,000 people since 2003. Each year, law enforcement in these two cities kills nearly 1,000 individuals.

The HRW report, titled "Lethal Force: Police Violence and Public Security in Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo," released this past December, examined these so-called cases of "resistance," police jargon for encounters between police officers and civilians.

In 2007, Rio and São Paulo police killed over 1,300 individuals, the highest total on record, and the following year 1,137 civilians were killed by police officers. In 2008, Rio law enforcement killed 825 individuals while losing only 12 officers. This discrepancy illustrates the power that the law enforcement officials have over the citizens, who are often grossly outnumbered in confrontations.

The violence exhibited by the police is, in part, a shortsighted reaction to the frightening scope of the crime and violence now plaguing Brazil. According to the UNODC, "Brazilian police forces, on the whole, are still largely marked by a culture of reactive policing that is concerned with responding to each incident rather than identifying crime trends and preventing future incidents."

With the overwhelming amount of violent episodes, police respond quickly and without concern for the repercussions of their actions. José Miguel Vivanco, America's director at HRW, recently stated that, "Extrajudicial killing of criminal suspects is not the answer to violent crime. The residents of Rio and São Paulo need more effective policing, not more violence from the police."

Responding to violence with violence has served to perpetuate a destructive cycle in Brazil that must be broken if crime is ever to decline. According to Amnesty International, "heavily armed police incursions into communities are costly in terms of human life and counter productive." The report continued on to say that once the police leave, the gangs immediately regain control, as if a raid had never been staged.

The UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial, Summary, or Arbitrary Executions, Philip Alston, remarked that, after a police operation killed 14 people, "a senior police official reportedly compared the dead men to insects, referring to the police as the 'best social bug spray.'" This clearly demonstrates the police's antipathetic perception that their violent actions are justifiable.

Taking the Law into Their Own Hands

Off-duty police officers have formed rogue "death squads" which are militias that effectively bypass rules and regulations to take the law into their own hands. On a trip to Rio in November 2007, Alston found that, "police murder three people a day on average in Rio de Janeiro, making them responsible for one in five killings in the city, which is plagued by drug-gang violence and roving militias of off-duty police."

Groups of off-duty officers patrol the streets and are responsible for extra-judicial killings and forced disappearances. Members of these aptly named "death squads" have, at the very least, the tacit consent of the government.

According to an article published by the Center for International Policy's Americas Program, of the 1,195 individuals killed by police in 2003, 65% showed "clear signs of being executed." For an individual to be executed, he or she had to be subdued to the point that they could not defend themselves.

Many of those killed had at least one bullet in their back, showing that, prior to their deaths, the police clearly already had subdued the suspect and had the advantage in any confrontation. With the upper hand, the police are using this advantage to kill rather than to arrest these criminals and bring them to trial.

Building a Less Volatile Police Force

In advance of the World Cup and the Olympic Games, the Brazilian government has launched a "pacification program," resulting in even more confrontations between police and residents of the slum. The government hopes that the occupation of these] violent areas will quell security concerns and reassure potential investors, upon whom Brazilian must depend to finance the necessary infrastructure required to host these events.

After winning the bid for the Olympic Games, Brazil promised the IOC it would invest large amount of additional resources to improve training and the access to new technology required for its police force. In January, the Brazilian government took a positive step in this direction by establishing programs to adequately compensate public security officials and promote much-needed training exercises.

On January 26, President Lula signed into law two allowances, the Bolsa Copa and the Bolsa Olímpica, which will increase police salaries for those working during the World Cup and the Olympic Games. The paychecks of police officers and firefighters in cities that are hosting the events will be augmented by an increasing amount of money each year and, after the Olympic events end, the add-ons will be permanently incorporated into their wages.

The requirement for receiving these grants will be mandatory attendance at human rights courses aimed towards preventing abuses of power. The Bolsa Copa and the Bolsa Olímpica build upon the current program, the Bolsa Formação, which is offered through the Ministry of Justice and gives bonuses to security professionals who enroll in training courses.

According to Eduardo Paes, Rio de Janeiro's mayor, encouraging the law enforcement agencies to focus on the prevention of crime is the most effective way to create lasting reforms within the police force. Increasing police wages further helps eliminate corruption as adequately paid officers will be less likely to rely on deviant behavior to supplement their paychecks.

Finally, for the Brazilian government to truly reform its police force, officers who employ unnecessarily deadly force must be brought to justice. Between 2003 and 2009, police killed 11,000 suspects while only four officers were tried and convicted. HRW has stated that, "a crucial factor in the killings is the power police have to investigate internally all homicides involving law enforcement authorities."

As long as they have complete impunity, officers will continue to use excessive force without fear of repercussion. If the Brazilian government hopes to clean up its police force, law enforcement officers must be brought to justice for this violence.

In 33 of the 51 cases investigated by the HRW, the police reports written by officers was at odds with the actual evidence gathered at the scene. According to the document, "There is complete impunity because the police protect their own."

With this in mind, it continued on to add that an independent organization should be established to investigate the homicides that involve the police force. However, there has of yet not been any attempt by the government to establish such an independent body.

Concluding Remarks

In the months leading up to the World Cup and the Olympic Games, Brazil's natural beauty and lively cultures will captivate its international audience. For President Lula, these events are Brazil's opportunity to demonstrate the amazing progress that has been made in reviving its economy and narrowing the gap between Brazil's rich and poor.

Nevertheless, the country's entrenched poverty, and its problems with crime, and its violence-prone police force all combine to make the country a volatile place to host such important international events.

These issues, faced by nations worldwide, have no short-term solutions. The Brazilian government must truly dedicate itself not only to extend a credible positive image to the media during the events, but earnestly combating violent crime as well as its capricious police force.

Brazil has emerged as a leader in the global market and is beginning to tackle the problems plaguing its slum neighborhoods. The country needs to show its dedication to remaining a strong presence on the world stage, which is no small task and easily achievable goal.

Megan McAdams is a research associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org. The organization is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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written by João da Silva, March 18, 2010

Nevertheless, the country's entrenched poverty, and its problems with crime, and its violence-prone police force all combine to make the country a volatile place to host such important international events.


Ms.McAdams of COHA is unnecessarily worried. In order to make the place less volatile, the state and the municipal governments of Rio are recruiting Internationally well known lawyers like Rudy and Poodle as " Security Consultants". The UAV´s the Feds are buying should ensure that the "favelados" don't come down their hills to gate crash into the stadiums, where the games are staged.

So quit worrying.
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 19, 2010
So quit worrying.

I think you also expressed this sentiment to me, and I have seriously taken your advice. Rudy, Poodle, and UAV's should be able to 'control' the situation. I have also read about 'the walls' going up to ensure the 'favelados' do not interfere with a 'peaceful Olympiad'.

So the issue of 'containment' is not really a concern. I also do not expect the games to be interrupted by 'foreign' agitators such as those who so ungraciously disturbed the Munich Olympiad smilies/sad.gif Brazil has 'earned' a reputation as a peaceful, happy place welcoming to all and I expect even those with nasty intent will respect the Brazilian Games.smilies/wink.gif

What the author is trying to express, IMHO, is that with the selection of Rio to host the World Cup and the 2016 Olympics, THE GAMES HAVE ALREADY BEGUN! Every aspect of the 'preparation' for the games will be given as much scrutiny as the sporting events of the Olympiad. That is simply the nature of the worldwide media and it is not without 'hidden agendas'. A subject we have discussed in relation to the WSJ and O Estado with respect to impartiality.

The number of dead and wounded, from this point onward, will surely be part of the scorecard and this is an event that is judged by the 'lowest' score. It would not do to have a score that makes the outrage of the Iranian rebellion look like a walk-in-the-park. There 'must' be verifiable efforts to assist those impacted by the venue construction and security concerns to not tarnish the reputation of the Brazilian state. Unfortunately, erecting 'barriers' will do little to alleviate the actual status of those favelados, and it would be most unfortunate if there is not a 'cooperative' effort to improve 'their' situation.

Perhaps many miscreants will be 'removed' and others prevented from having any impact. Rudy and the Poodle have experience in such affairs so are well qualified to 'coach' the Brazilian security teams. They also have intimate contacts with the world-wide intelligence services. However, neither of them are what you call 'darlings of the media', who will be capturing their progress or lack thereof.

Unless Brazil is also prepared to prevent the media from entering the favelas, then the 'real' media highlights will be the abject poverty of 'people' who have been ignored for far too long, and we all know who they are. They are not drug lords or their cadres of thugs who enforce their little 'territories', but the thousands of children who litter the streets of the favelas and have little opportunity to 'run' in the great game of life.

Rudy, the Poodle, and the UAV's may be necessary, but someone of the caliber of former president Jimmy Carter is also necessary, so that the games do not become a media event with Brazil as the loser.



Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 19, 2010

Thank you very much for your thought provoking and mind stimulating comments and as usual I appreciate them.

What the author is trying to express, IMHO, is that with the selection of Rio to host the World Cup and the 2016 Olympics, THE GAMES HAVE ALREADY BEGUN!


Your Humble/Honest opinion has been noted. I suggest we wait to hear the opinion of "others" before venturing to make our line of thoughts clearer. If not we run the peril of being accused as "Blog Dictators" by some of our fellow commentators who may even threaten to take us to the Hague for violating their human rights.smilies/shocked.gif

We just give them a few hours and if nobody voices his/her humble opinion, we impose our own democratic principles on them.smilies/cool.gif

P.S: Any news about Mr.Sharon´s health?
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 19, 2010

Here is an interesting link for your grandson to translate for you, while we are waiting for other erudite scholars to utter their words of wisdom:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...6608,0.htm

This gentleman of "humble background" also quarreled with the Military government and went into "exile", though not to France. I believe he went to Chile first and then to attend an university called "Cornell".

Do you know where this university is located?
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 20, 2010
If not we run the peril of being accused as "Blog Dictators" by some of our fellow commentators

Duly noted. I always welcome their input and your ever judicious enlightenment smilies/wink.gif I trust we shall not allow untruths to ferment lest the populace become intoxicated with the elixir of hidden agendas smilies/wink.gif

No word on Mr. Sharon. I think it must be a state secret. Even his presence would be a welcome relief from the policies of Bibi smilies/sad.gif

Cornell is a university in my home state of NY. Did you hear of the recent suicides there? Not the first time...
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 20, 2010
This gentleman of "humble background" also quarreled with the Military government and went into "exile", though not to France. I believe he went to Chile first and then to attend an university called "Cornell".

It is certainly no surprise, even here in the states. We heard 2 years ago that he would be the most formidable candidate after Lula's last term. I will be busy with another project during the campaign, so I will miss much of the 'fireworks'. It could be that Lula's 'foreign adventures' could become the most hot issue for Ms Rousseff smilies/shocked.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 21, 2010

Cornell is a university in my home state of NY. Did you hear of the recent suicides there? Not the first time...


Thanks for clarifying to some ill informed bloggers that your home town is not really Pyongyang.smilies/cheesy.gif Yes, I read about the suicides in that learned institution, though I am not sure about the real reason behind them.

I will be busy with another project during the campaign, so I will miss much of the 'fireworks'.


It is a pity you will not be following up the hot campaign here. BTW, does your "Project" involve "changing the regimes" in some African states?smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 21, 2010
BTW, does your "Project" involve "changing the regimes" in some African states?

You are too well informed, my friend smilies/wink.gif I have spent much time exploring the foundation of what is happening in that region, and now the recent 'mysterious massacre' in Nigeria has confirmed my suspicion of malicious intent by 'others' who are at severe pains not to be identified. Stay tuned carefully for you will see the hand of those who wish to use chaos for nefarious purposes. smilies/shocked.gif

Remember always, during these many trials that will face humanity in the days ahead, that "Brazil is the prize", Nigeria just the example 'not' to follow. smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 21, 2010

You are too well informed, my friend


In spite of being taught "Ignorance is a bliss" right from my tender age.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Remember always, during these many trials that will face humanity in the days ahead, that "Brazil is the prize", Nigeria just the example 'not' to follow.


Sorbonne educated "sociologists" followed the "Nigerian" example in some sectors of economy. "Cornell" educated ones may continue their policy in banking and energy sectors. Brasil is the "prize" indeed, unless some "white nights" come out to thwart the attempts of these "nefarious" elements to turn it into a "plantation"smilies/sad.gif
Permission to enter the Blog Dictatorship
written by VinnyCarioca, March 21, 2010
I have spent much time exploring the foundation of what is happening in that region, and now the recent 'mysterious massacre' in Nigeria has confirmed my suspicion of malicious intent by 'others' who are at severe pains not to be identified. Stay tuned carefully for you will see the hand of those who wish to use chaos for nefarious purposes.

The question is....who doesn't use chaos for nefarious purposes? In the case of Nigeria, I would be very interested if you directly identify the creators of said machination. The erudition of your cryptic message is too intimidating for me to figure out. smilies/wink.gif

Building a Less Volatile Police Force......After winning the bid for the Olympic Games, Brazil promised the IOC it would invest large amount of additional resources to improve training and the access to new technology required for its police force.

Well, they didn't specify how much of those additional resources will be allocated towards honesty and character within the ranks of the police force. It kind of reminds me of what an old boxing coach of mine said to me many years ago....'you can neither teach or buy character and desire'. And speaking of desire....I wonder if that in the back of the collective heads of the Brazilian leadership, if they believe that taking a real stand against the criminal element would result in something like we are all seeing in Mexico right now. For years, the Mexican leadership gave the impression that they were serious about the drug and crime epidemic....they even brought in the heavyweights like Rudy Giuliani for his expertise in combating the scourge.

International Spotlight
The international community has raised serious concerns regarding security in Brazil both prior to and immediately following its winning bid to host the summer Olympic Games in 2016. But the International Olympic Committee (IOC) remains confident that there is ample time for Brazil to tackle its massive crime problems.


Yes...six years is more than enough time to conquer problems that have permeated a society for generations. What garbage. Instead of paying Rudy to sanitize...they should procure James Cameron or whomever the top cinema director is in Brazil. I'm sure they can contrive a masterpiece for the world to consume.

Concluding Remarks
These issues, faced by nations worldwide, have no short-term solutions

Don't tell the IOC that.
Brazil has emerged as a leader in the global market and is beginning to tackle the problems plaguing its slum neighborhoods.

Dr. Cata....if this commodity cycle goes in the other dirction, will this still be the case?






VinnyCarioca
written by João da Silva, March 21, 2010

Permission to enter the Blog Dictatorship


Permission granted, my dear fellow.smilies/smiley.gif

Great to hear from you after a long time.smilies/cheesy.gif
VinnyCarioca
written by Lloyd Cata, March 22, 2010
Permission to enter the Blog Dictatorship

I am humbled in my ignorance, sir. See, João is trying to school me in the 'protocols', of which he assures me Brazilians are known for. smilies/cool.gif So, since your erudite self was a contributor prior to my sometimes unseemly rants, it is a pleasure to see your return, and I shall remember your manner of introduction for future reference. smilies/wink.gif

Dr. Cata....if this commodity cycle goes in the other dirction, will this still be the case?

...and he starts right off with the question at the heart of the economic issue. Not easy this guy, he can throw a punch! smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif OK.

IMHO...the 'rise' in the commodity market will continue until there is 1)a settlement in the 'actual' dollar value. 2)the 'real' price of energy determined(see refinery capacity).

Brazil's 'global profile' should give it access to markets for its commodities for several decades. I agree completely with Ricardo Amaral, our fellow esteemed blogger that ethanol exports are inflationary in the 'food sector' and are a very bad investment, specifically given the increase in the price of sugar and the ecological hazard of expanding massive plantations. It really is 'not' a green fuel.

Translating 'commodity prosperity' to 'community services' is difficult, but 'energy' is a 'national resource'. Brazil's new oil wealth should be directly focused on this issue, with infrastructure being second. The Western and Chinese haste in their Petrobras investments are indicative of the strength of the market going forward, but I would be wary of both motives. If these new oil revenues are not used to uplift where necessary, Brazil could fall back into position of instability and a return to 'authoritarian' rule. If this revenue is misdirected to corruption and security, Brazil will not be safe for anyone.

There are areas of society that increased revenue would do the most good, but a decent system of justice(not just enforcement), and the alleviation of poverty will do the most for Brazil's continued prosperity. Corruption, being what it is in the country, could undermine any effort in both areas. So, the short answer to you question is 'yes', these efforts must continue even if the revenue should fall, because the present 'surplus' would be better allocated for these areas than sitting in a dollar-denominated account. You cannot 'crow' about a 'rising Brazil' when the media constantly hit the world with images of abject poverty.smilies/sad.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 22, 2010

See, João is trying to school me in the 'protocols', of which he assures me Brazilians are known for.


No, my friend. Young Vinny and you just proved that the Americans are as good as we are in strict adherence to "protocols".smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

A brilliant question by Vinny and equally brilliant answer by your good self. I liked the last paragraph of your comment and also the reference to Mr.Amaral´s line of thoughts on the "Ethanol" project. He has written a dozen times that this project was conceived to make us non dependent from the Sheiks in the ME and I always endorsed his views. Though Ricardo was schooled in the U.S of A, his "Macro Economic Policy" leans more towards that of Late Mr.Roberto Campos. Not many Brasilians remember him, but he did contribute to the development of Brasil. BUT...BUT... as Mr.Lula rightly said last year, we Brasilians do not remember our heroes and but..but... just a couple of martyrs.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 22, 2010
Oh, I forgot to add a couple of questions in my previous comment:

Brazil's 'global profile' should give it access to markets for its commodities for several decades.


a) Just like the 150 years of "Beef economy" of Argentina?

Brazil's new oil wealth should be directly focused on this issue,


b) I am a bit skeptical about this new "Oil Wealth" which I believe lies 10,000 meters under the "sea bed". Assuming that it is technically and economically viable to get this "wealth", what will happen if the "cunning" Americans introduce vehicles run on "alternative" fuels? I am sure that you are aware that their allies, the Indians are developing engines run on compressed air. In fact our buddy ASP, Augustus and my humble self have discussed about "mercury fuel" used by ancient Indians sometime ago.

I think that Vinny is as skeptical as I am about the "Commodities Economy". Probably he got his skepticism talking to his Father-in-law.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Joao
written by VinnyCarioca, March 23, 2010
I am a bit skeptical about this new "Oil Wealth" which I believe lies 10,000 meters under the "sea bed". Assuming that it is technically and economically viable to get this "wealth", what will happen if the "cunning" Americans introduce vehicles run on "alternative" fuels? I am sure that you are aware that their allies, the Indians are developing engines run on compressed air. In fact our buddy ASP, Augustus and my humble self have discussed about "mercury fuel" used by ancient Indians sometime ago.


You would be surprised how many Americans are already (especially here in CA) are driving around in diesel powered automobiles that were converted to run on veggie oil and cooking grease. The kicker is that the state makes it nearly impossible to drive these vehicles because they feel that these drivers are not paying their fare share of the taxes that other drivers pay by using petrol. The regulations are astounding.....http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/06/local/me-vegoil6....It costs these drivers about a buck a gallon while we "non green" polluters pay over 3 bucks with about 70 cents of that being in federal and state taxes.
The right things never go unpunished!

I think that Vinny is as skeptical as I am about the "Commodities Economy". Probably he got his skepticism talking to his Father-in-law.


I'm skeptical about a few sectors.

My father-in-law and I stick to discussing the finer things in life now. I would rather talk about our next outing at the Joquei Clube in Gavea than watching him getting worked up about politics (corruption), economics (oppressive taxation), etc.smilies/cheesy.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 23, 2010
Just like the 150 years of "Beef economy" of Argentina?

I'm also concerned with Brazil's almost 45% ownership in the 'meat industry'. Such concentrations in one sector usually do not end well. We will have to see how Brazil handles its position to reduce negative effects of market fluctuations.

Assuming that it is technically and economically viable to get this "wealth", what will happen if the "cunning" Americans introduce vehicles run on "alternative" fuels?

Petrobras has excellent partners in the recovery of the oil and most energy authorities seem to find it 'investment grade', but...but...it is only profitable at $60/bbl. That appears to be the tipping point. I understand they are already getting 100,000 barrels/day which gives a three year payback on the investment. Certainly a lot can happen in that time, but the reliance on 'fossil fuels' is not going to diminish that significantly to prevent considerable profit...as indicated by Petrobras' huge investment outlays.

Alternative fuels(energy) will certainly 'influence' the wisdom and profitability of such 'deep sea' adventures, yet these reserves are as important as having a monetary surplus in US T-notes, so just having 'access' to such oil contributes to the overall financial stability of Brazil's economy. 'Profits' are a dubious term since they are declared 'or not' depending on several factors, like taxes and shareholder expectations. In either case, the best investment for Brazil is now in its people.
VinnyCarioca
written by Lloyd Cata, March 23, 2010
You would be surprised how many Americans are already (especially here in CA) are driving around in diesel powered automobiles that were converted to run on veggie oil and cooking grease.

No matter what I think about US policies and its leaders, I never, never, never underestimate the 'ingenuity' of the American people! President Obama has provided billions of dollars to spark an immense R&D effort to solve this energy dilemma. It is unfortunate that this was not done in the 70's when the first 'oil crisis' hit, as Brazil did and now reaps the benefits of ethanol. We know that 'influences' in the oil industry 'prevented' any challenge to 'big oil' in the US, in fact discrediting any scientific evidence of alternative solutions. The oil lobby is still powerful, but the search for alternatives is not so easily stopped these days. Here is an example which could change the game; ( http://pesn.com/2006/02/09/9600232_MIT_Battery/ ), but not fast enough in the global market for 'energy'.

The profitability of 'any' sector is cyclical depending on the variances of the markets. It is incumbent upon those with 'authority' over those profits to ensure they are used in a manner that continues to 'consistently' advance the society. Since this was not done in the US many years ago Americans still suffer the overbearing dependence on a commodity(oil) that was directly opposed to the needs of its people(energy).

Brazil has a diverse mix of marketable commodities and I will never flinch from the position that some of these resources belong to the people, however you are correct that this 'sector' could be impacted, but that is all the more reason to invest the present profitability in people who will return same profits in the ingenuity of new alternatives. Sadly, the US must do this under the constraints of a broken government that is broke.

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written by Lets Fry CHC, March 24, 2010


Mr. Froid Caca says:

"No matter what I think about US policies and its leaders, I never, never, never underestimate the 'ingenuity' of the American people!"

However, you forgot to mention that for the most part, the so called american ingenuity are created/performed by foreign born scientists and engineers living there!

I get the distinctive impression that the Mr.Caca is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier!

Hehehe.... Happy farting american buffalo butts,

Costinha
Lets Fry CHC
written by Lloyd Cata, March 24, 2010
However, you forgot to mention that for the most part, the so called american ingenuity are created/performed by foreign born scientists and engineers living there!

However, you forgot to mention that they could never, never, never bring to fruition 'their' ingenuity without the American environment. So it is that the 'best and the brightest' know where to go if their ideas are to become reality.smilies/wink.gif

And that includes the invention of the light bulb, which you ought to use instead of wandering around in the dark smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Lets Fry CHC
written by Lloyd Cata, March 24, 2010
...and before I forget my manners, Welcome Back! Costinha smilies/cool.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 24, 2010
It seems there are men who arrived in the same era who have formed somewhat the same view, if not the same interpretation of events. Perhaps you will recognize some of my style;

( http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy....010/03/19/ the_madness_of_letting_mad_men_dictate_our_foreign_poli
ces )

...and don't forget how we save the best for last smilies/wink.gif
yawn yawn yawn yawn gaddamit yawn
written by asp, March 25, 2010
boring

lets see, just yesterday we see in the news, chavez arrested a man and put him in jail because he had the nerve to go on tv and say chavez was involved with narco trafficing

in cuba ladies in white are bullied off the streets and carted off to jail again, so much for any kind of protest there , they are aligned very much with iran in that sence,

china censures google so chinese people cant get information what chinca is doing to repress other people, looks like the chinaman that cata sees in our future will be telling us what we can do and what we cant do

islamic fundimentalist terrorists bomb their own people on a regular basis, showing they are the real scum bags

and this from the bbc : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6353449.stm

and here , its still tea and crumpets and fawning over catas warped veiw of what the world looks like

boring, boring, boring
Today's News - For Those Who Bother To Turn The Page
written by Lloyd Cata, March 25, 2010
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8586560.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8586749.stm

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,685491,00.html

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/

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get the other ones clickable
written by asp, March 25, 2010
the first one? oh year, real contemporary

get for real

boring
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 25, 2010
http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...9023,0.htm

What's the deal with Sarney Jr.? The banks in NYK don't take his money anymore smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 25, 2010

..and don't forget how we save the best for last


"KXB" sounds more like your good and honorable self.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

BTW, it is not easy to access the link by double clicking. For other readers, I am re posting it:

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy....eign_poli
ces#commentspace
asp
written by João da Silva, March 25, 2010

boring, boring, boring


I am still waiting for my tea with Grade A sugar.smilies/sad.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 25, 2010

What's the deal with Sarney Jr.? The banks in NYK don't take his money anymore


Probably, he lost faith in the "mighty" dollar and wanted to convert his "hard earned" money into CHFs with the help of our vanished friend "ch.c" who was probably an undercover agent for our "Receita Federal".smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

The comments under that article of "Estadão" are quite colorful and I don't think I need to add anything else. When the honest middle class Brasilians work hard and pay the taxes correctly, people like the "Junior" use the influence of their unscrupulous daddies to enrich themselves illicitly. I wonder how much money the family made out of in the Electrical energy and Transport sectors.smilies/angry.gif
It's Getting Better
written by Lloyd Cata, March 25, 2010
I see that the police are going after some people who 'rub elbows' with the drug lords...finally.smilies/wink.gif Don't get me wrong, because until some police 'commanders' see the other side of the bars, there are battles to come.smilies/sad.gif

I see there will be special effort to paint the favelas before the games. I am hopeful that this alone will brighten the prospects for the children, even as their parents know 'paint does not signify progress'.

Perhaps there should be different colors for each, as in a contest to see who makes the most progress. Anything is possible if the spark of renewal lifts 'people' to do what was thought impossible. I see the Bope have taken over the 'oldest and largest' favela in Rio. So the games have already accomplished what was thought to be impossible!smilies/cool.gif
ahhh gee joao...
written by asp, March 25, 2010
sorry you have to wait for the sugar, after reading how chavez jails his own people for blowing the whistle on him about his association with narco traficing (read farc) , and after the bbc implying that quite a bit of coke dealing in the world is because of farc (for sure related to the 81 percent coke busts in south america are flowing into brazil),im just so caught up in seeing what some of the real problems plaguing this country are.

not catas wild goose chase and star wars trilogy avatar empire bites back.

there are the real problems that plauge us everyday, we see it in our local news just about everyday, these are the things that are holding us hostage, and, we see catas fairy taled romance with fiction

add to that, just recent yesterday examples of china restricting its people and cuba cracking down on beautiful little old ladies just doing a street protest.

its boring here,im afraid you have to get your own sugar ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh or let cata do it, he has snow jobbed you up to this point just fine
The Truth Is Always Contemporary
written by Lloyd Cata, March 25, 2010
Archbishop Oscar Romero
1979: Bloodless coup by reformist army officers; military-civilian junta installed but army-backed violence continues
Feb 1980: Romero urges US President Jimmy Carter to reconsider offer of aid to junta. Carter refuses
23 Mar 1980: Romero tells soldiers they are killing their own people
24 Mar 1980: Romero murdered in church


My friends, 30 years later, the government admits its complicity in the murder of the most peaceful of dissidents armed only with the "Word of God".

US President Barack Obama faces the same choice in Honduras today, so when you fail to see what is 'contemporary', then I clearly see that you are not only unable to connect the dots, but you are not enlightened enough to see them.

I admit to bias in the case of Cuba. I admit that Fidel has been brutal in his enforcement of the revolution. I admit that I find socialism a better model for humanity than the neo-liberal capitalist democracy.

There is truth on both sides. There are lies on both sides. Any ability I have to distinguish between truth and lies is the result of hard work and attention to details that may seem insignificant to some. It is my humble effort to give meaning to every life lost 'unnecessarily'...and that does 'not' include those who 'unnecessarily' throw away their lives. I think this is becoming clear in the Islamic community as it should be inherently clear in the Christian community.

Despair is a serious mental condition. It is a complete absence of hope, and those who use this despair to encourage and publicize the suicide of others are as guilty of murder as those who are responsible for the despair.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 25, 2010

there are the real problems that plauge us everyday, we see it in our local news just about everyday, these are the things that are holding us hostage, and, we see catas fairy taled romance with fiction


I acknowledge that we have serious problems that have to be faced and solved. But...But.... But..., I consider Dr.Cata to be an ideal candidate to deal with the "security issues" in the state, instead of your buddy Rudy who probably dodged the draft. smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

its boring here,im afraid you have to get your own sugar ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh or let cata do it,


Probably Lloyd drinks tea in a plastic cup and I don't want this disgusting and despicable American habit to be introduced here. Yak.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 25, 2010
I noticed in Dr. Cata's first comments on this blog that he thought Brazil might need the presence of Jimmy Carter so that the games don't become a media event with Brazil becoming the looser.
Interesting comment. Now, in which event would Mr. Carter be competitive? smilies/wink.gif
Many of my relatives in the States, who are farmers, would greatly appreciate that if Brazil does take Jimmy Carter that Brazil find some way of keeping him.
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written by Baen Brodie, March 25, 2010
Tea in a plastic cup? Isn't that comparable to putting peanut butter on a crumpet? I've seen Americans do that, too!smilies/angry.gif
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 26, 2010
Many of my relatives in the States, who are farmers, would greatly appreciate that if Brazil does take Jimmy Carter that Brazil find some way of keeping him.

In time, my friend, Mr. Carter will be recognized as one of the true humanitarians in US history. Certainly there are many Americans who think he was not fit for the presidency, but I will challenge you to find an ex-leader who has done more for 'people' after leaving office. Oh yeah, the neo-cons absolutely hate him, because the Carter Center is known as a 'fair' judge of elections and verifying the Venezuelan and Palestinian elections still upsets them to no end.
That Mr. Obama selected Clinton and Bush to coordinate the Haiti recovery is no favor to the Haitians and this is not a prediction; simply the result of past performance. Clinton admits his errors in Haiti and wants another chance, and Bush will simply ensure that no one of Aristides caliber can come to power. Same players, different day! If you find the nefarious hand of Amb. Noriega in the mix that is all the confirmation that I need that the 'new Haiti' will be just as miserable as the old Haiti. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...27006.html )

I hope Brazil is happy with Rudy and the Poodle. Perhaps when they are finished in Rio they can clean up Brasilia smilies/cheesy.gif My point was that there is a job in Rio that has nothing to do with 'law enforcement' and everything to do with communities and community service. I am not sure how that is translated in Brazil, but it is surely something that is missing today, and if it is still missing when the Olympic flame arrives then all that paint will just be a 'whitewash' over some very serious problems.

I have said here many times that Brazil is known for 'pushing people out of the way' for whatever reason; usually greed, but Rudy, the Poodle, or even Lula will have to deal with the consequences if/when the people decide to push back smilies/sad.gif
Tea & Crumpets
written by Lloyd Cata, March 26, 2010
It is my manner to partake of the refreshment offered by the 'host', but...but...I much prefer an excellent expresso, which I found to be quite enjoyable on my trip to Brazil. smilies/cheesy.gif Despite João's preference for Brazilian sugar I find that I am particular to the raw Hawiian sugar. Of which neither are suitable for plastic utensils smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Just send the boy out for vodka, and some sardines and crackers. Then I will tell you stories of my time at sea. Perhaps you will even get to see why sailors have a woman in every port. A tradition in my family smilies/wink.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 26, 2010

Just send the boy out for vodka, and some sardines and crackers.


I am sure that even without being served with these "delicacies", you will tell us your romantic adventures on the distant shores. It may even encourage ASP to come out of his "cabana" and share with us his adventures in Rio, Recife & beyond.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 26, 2010

Many of my relatives in the States, who are farmers, would greatly appreciate that if Brazil does take Jimmy Carter that Brazil find some way of keeping him.


Since I share Dr.Cata´s opinion on Jimmy Carter, I would be happy to assist in keeping him here, Captain. May be he could help us to grow organic Peanuts and produce peanut butter and export to the Middle-East
along with the "Frozen Crumpets" that our distinguished fellow blogger ASP is about to launch in the next few months. smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 26, 2010
Joao, I don't think that most Jews eat peanuts, but I do know several of the Arab countries eat them. To become an official American, you have to eat an entire jar of peanut butter at the swearing-in ceremony. Peanut butter is the American national snack. They eat it on toast, between crackers, on their chocolate, straight out of the jar, on their ice cream, and who knows where and on what else. I have even seen it spread on English muffins. I wanted to slap my host silly when I first saw that, but since I was a guest, I restrained myself and smiled.smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Lloyd Cata, March 26, 2010
To become an official American, you have to eat an entire jar of peanut butter

So you see, my friend, that I must prepare the grandson for Brazil since unfortunately he is one of those people who are very allergic to peanutssmilies/cry.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 26, 2010

To become an official American, you have to eat an entire jar of peanut butter at the swearing-in ceremony. Peanut butter is the American national snack. They eat it on toast, between crackers, on their chocolate, straight out of the jar, on their ice cream, and who knows where and on what else.


Please don't forget that after consuming vast quantities of peanut buttered snacks, they like to drink weak coffee in plastic cups. Supposed to be good for digestion.smilies/wink.gif

I have even seen it spread on English muffins.


Peanut butter on English muffins? Spare me the ordeal. Don't they produce real butter over there? If there is a shortage of it, they could always import from PRC.smilies/shocked.gif

I wanted to slap my host silly when I first saw that, but since I was a guest, I restrained myself and smiled


I always knew that you are a born diplomat.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/angry.gif

P.S: Lets wait and see Dr.Cata´s reaction to our joint attack on "Peanut Butter".smilies/grin.gif
nice try , joao
written by asp, March 27, 2010
but im not going to go into business making frozen crumpets for boring conversations about false world politics

i might consider being a distributor for skippy peanut butter since you cant get decent peanut butter down here

and, cata, im not your gofer for vodca to hear about your family past, i thought you were an orphan raised in fort apache..are you bsing about that? i wouldnt be surprised, anybody can come on an internet forum and tell false tales about themselves

for sure you get the prize for false romantic tales about the adventures of the avatar star wars empire

attention to details? god, you know nothing about the details about what is going on in daily life in brazil...ill give you a hint, it aint got nothing to do with colombia military bases...
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 27, 2010

So you see, my friend, that I must prepare the grandson for Brazil since unfortunately he is one of those people who are very allergic to peanuts


Is he also allergic to raw peanuts?
asp
written by João da Silva, March 27, 2010

i might consider being a distributor for skippy peanut butter since you cant get decent peanut butter down here


I suggest your use the renowned and reliable "Brodie Air Cargo Services inc" to transport this precious product to the "Island", ASP. I will be happy to furnish their crew with Brasilian made Surgical Masks to shield them from the toxic cargo.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/grin.gif
asp
written by Lloyd Cata, March 27, 2010
i thought you were an orphan raised in fort apache

Unlike some, I haven't spent my life simply gazing at cabana coochie and running for tea and crumpets smilies/grin.gif I have been and done many things, my friend. After the war I also spent 8 years on Wall Street, which accounts for my knowledge of capitalist markets. For your avatar moment you may consider my father, God Bless His Soul, that he did serve in WWI and WWII and passed at the age of 105. So it is that I learned history at his knee. Like he used to tell me that in China they paid the coolie workers 3 cents per day; a decent wage for a Chinaman at that time smilies/shocked.gif

But since you decline to run for the vodka, you may return to your pornhub, but I wouldn't travel to Indonesia with your computer because you could wind up in the slammer, which might be an improvement since you have sooooo many issues in Brazil.
Poooooor yooooooo smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 27, 2010
Is he also allergic to raw peanuts?

If you ask any physician they could tell you that it is a deadly serious condition and he cannot even have any type of peanut products. Tried it once and he got very sick with rash and breathing smilies/sad.gif

But I love all kinds of peanut products and it is terrible that I cannot share with himsmilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Peanuts are one of the worlds best natural food products and if Brazil decides to add it to their commodity basket it could expand exports to the US and beyond. Do they make a paste with Brazil nuts there?smilies/wink.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 27, 2010
Joao, Brodie Air Service is defunct! LOL! I rarely fly beyond sight of my house, but thanks for the kind offer anyway. Peanut butter, however, does seems like the perfect passenger: no complaining.
I am envious of Dr. Cata's life experiences. I have never visited Wall Street, but I have probably flown over it; does that count for anything?smilies/cheesy.gif
Indeed, I have led a boring life in comparison, although I once jumped out of an airplane and the parachute worked.smilies/cheesy.gif Another time I was ordered by an airport manager to move my Boeing 767 from where it was parked because Princess Di was about to arrive; she was still alive at the time. Another time I got lost in Sao Paulo during a walk and found my way home. My hostess said I had walked at least two, maybe three blocks from her home and made it back on my own. She was very encouraged. I felt very manly! smilies/cheesy.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, March 27, 2010

although I once jumped out of an airplane and the parachute worked.


Over Baghdad or Basra, Captain?
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, March 27, 2010
although I once jumped out of an airplane

That I've never done. Always amazed me why people would jump out of a perfectly good airplane. smilies/cheesy.gif I have enough jitters just being a passenger smilies/smiley.gif

Worse are helicopters...Ahhhhhhh smilies/wink.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 27, 2010

Do they make a paste with Brazil nuts there?


I haven't shopped around for the paste, because I like to eat them fresh! My preference is for "pinhão", that is very nutritious and tasty. The season for pinhão has just started. They are much tastier than peanuts and I ain't kidding. Your buddy ASP will wholeheartedly agree with me.smilies/wink.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 27, 2010

Always amazed me why people would jump out of a perfectly good airplane.


Maybe, Capt.Brodie´s Harrier was on fire over the Falklands after being hit by a French made Exocet missile launched by that odious creature Astiz. smilies/sad.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 28, 2010
Joao, I'd like to say I bailed out of my fighter after a vicious dogfight with many opponents, but actually, I did it one silly afternoon for the fun of it. Everything went well, but I was too terrified to even scream when I let go of the wing strut. The only reason I did it was because there was a girl's college skydiving team practicing and having fun. I figured if a tiny girl could do and have fun, than I certainly could.smilies/cheesy.gif Immediately afterwards, I went directly home and slept the entire afternoon away. I was exhausted, and my nerves were frazzled.smilies/grin.gif Never did it again.
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 28, 2010
In my research on Brazil's law enforcement I found this document. Would really appreciate your opinion. From what I see, Brazil has no equivalent to the US FBI or the UK MI-5. Is that right?

( http://www.fas.org/irp/world/brazil/fabrverg.pdf )

Your enlightenment, as always, is greatly appreciated smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cool.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 28, 2010

From what I see, Brazil has no equivalent to the US FBI or the UK MI-5. Is that right?


Not right.smilies/cheesy.gif

The article in the link you posted was written by a Brasilian who works for the Federal Government and he has done a good job of describing the current structure of various law enforcement agencies on Federal,State and Municipal levels. I think it was originally written in Portuguese and maybe the translated version is slightly misleading.

Our equivalent of FBI/M.I.5 is popularly known as PF (Policia Federal-Federal Police). I am reproducing what he wrote:

III) Federal Police Forces
iii.i) Federal Police Department (DPF)
This Federal Agency, with civilian status, is assigned as a Judicial
Police to investigate all crimes that may interest the National Administration,
such as illegal international drugs and arms trade, terrorism, human beings
smuggling and any other crimes directed against the federal government or
federal officers, in a role alike the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Apart from typical criminal investigation works, the Federal Police
Department has many administrative police tasks too, especially as the head
Brazilian immigration authority. Also, it superintends the National Arms
Control System (SINARM) and represents the National Central Authority as
the liaison between Brazil and Interpol.
Regardless of its specific missions, the Federal Police may act within
the normally State jurisdiction, in certain international repercussion or human
rights related crimes, or to coordinate State Civilian Police Departments in
inter-state crimes. Some Brazilian embassies abroad have police attaches
chosen amongst Federal Police Delegates.
Given its central law enforcement agency status, the Federal Police
develops relevant tactical intelligence operations, emphasizing the
international organized crime research.


Our PF also performs all the tasks of your former INS & recent "Homeland Security" Administration.

The article also deals with some new challenges faced by Brasil under the sub title "International Security and National Defense". This particular issue is something ASP mentions all the time and confirms that his worries (and mine as well) are fully justified!
absolutly, joao
written by asp, March 28, 2010
i was glad to see that the brazilian military was up in colombia helping them fight against the farc , recently

sure hope there is more done,including some in depth studies of where the coke comes from. they talk about a lot of coke busts but never follow through on the origins.

hey cata, riddle me this, if you had a father that lived to be 105, and, he told you stories on his knees, how can you be an orphan in fort apache?
asp
written by Lloyd Cata, March 28, 2010
if you had a father that lived to be 105, and, he told you stories on his knees, how can you be an orphan in fort apache?

Some children are very fortunate that their parents reconcile and recover them. So it was that I went from Catholic orphanage to Fort Apache at age 7. Quite a difference I can tell you, but...but...both experiences did prepare me for the twists and turns that life can have...always a 'learning' experience, not a 'complaining' one.smilies/wink.gif

So those Colombian bases have all the earmarks of earlier US adventures where they start off with 'advisors and trainers' and end up with 'buildups and bodybags'. I am not against US assistance to Colombia, but...but...7 bases, given my intelligent experience, calls for covert operations, Guantanamo, and Abu Graib type facilities. I have already shown you evidence by congressional testimony that these bases give US readiness to be able to 'operate throughout' Latin America.

Now let me ask you this, "since the start of the 'War on Drugs' how much cooperation has the Brazilian government received from the billions of US dollars in this effort?". "When was the last time anyone saw a huge narco-bust from US agents picking up the phone and calling their Brazilian counterparts?". I've been looking for such a report so now you can show me something smilies/cool.gif Perhaps the FARC is much better than anyone knows...after all, they have been fighting for 45 years smilies/shocked.gif, but you never responded to the question of Karzai's heroin in Brazil which is definitely not controlled by FARCsmilies/sad.gif
first of all, cata
written by asp, March 28, 2010
heroin in brazil is extremly minimal . day after day after day i see reports of bust for crack cocaine and cocaine. and not just national reports. local reports . and it is a hell. i honestly cant remember the last time i heard a report about heroin use or a bust in brazil.

this cocaine thing excelerated after fernando beira mar was caught with farc.the pcc deals with farc. major busts in the amazon , bahia and matto grosso have been linced to farc...i would hate to think the reason brazil hasnt craced down on them really hard is because of some ideological afinity with some of the political parties down here...i dont want to think that is true, and i dont

its absolutly no mystery why farc can survive. its absolutly no valid compliment to them as some great fighting force.these are nothing but drug dealing scum and thugs . look how they treat their prisoners. they have support from venezuela and equador and get huge amounts of money to survive from their obvious coke and arms deals , can pay off anybody, its no wonder they can operate and survive, being able to cross borders and set up camps.their big leader died in venezuela.

the usa is helping colombia at colombias request, brazil hasnt asked for that help.all brazil has to do is start doing what they did recently and combine with colombia to deal with the farc thugs

what ever linc you brought in means nothing compared to the overwelming evidence of farc being able to hang out in venezuela , equador in lush camping grounds with generators and do unbeleivabley huge drug deals of coke and arms in that whole amazon area. with a huge amount just coming in brazil and destroying the fabric of society.

farc is even linced with some brazilian red flag movements like mst and were at the foro do sao paulo
asp
written by Lloyd Cata, March 28, 2010
all brazil has to do is start doing what they did recently and combine with colombia to deal with the farc thugs

So, is Brazil 'officially' allowing FARC to operate in its territory? They seem to have contacts and are negotiating for FARC to release prisoners.

It's definitely going to be better if Brazil and the neighbors handle this situation instead of inviting US forces to further destabilize the region. It certainly is not a 'cold war' scenario that some people would like to make it. That Latin America has become more leftist is only due to 'past practices' that 'evidence' shows was, and in some cases like Honduras, still is supporting repressive governments. They may not like Chavez but they still buy his oil. They may not like Russia but they still do business, also with the communists of China. Do they try to overthrow them? No! What hypocrites that they do business with the most heinous murderers around the world but if they find any weakness --- too bad for you!

FARC will not disappoint their 'sponsors', so their activities will diminish to lessen the need for the bases, which is in everyone's interest except for the US. Unless there is military buildup in Latin America where will all the surplus weapons go after they leave the ME?
Where will all the 'corporate mercenaries' go to make their money? Do you think they will really be welcome in the ME after the troops are gone? This is a big game...just too bad when it involves your neighborhood smilies/sad.gif
asp
written by João da Silva, March 28, 2010

Where will all the 'corporate mercenaries' go to make their money? Do you think they will really be welcome in the ME after the troops are gone? This is a big game...just too bad when it involves your neighborhood


Dr.Cata, who must be at least 80 years old (in my estimate), has asked a brilliant question. The key words are "Corporate Mercenaries" and "your neighborhood"

To Mr.Brodie: Some more Crumpets soaked in peanut butter, Captain?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, March 28, 2010
Joao! Yes, pass the peanut butter and Crumpets, please! Corporate mercenaries leaving the Middle East? I have to agree with Dr. Cata, South America makes for an interesting new market, especially with rich discoveries of new oil and surpluses thrown about for weapons that aren't needed. I hadn't thought of it in quite that manner.
Wasn't it the Swedes, or possibly the French, that used to have a saying, "Let's you and they have a nice little war!" smilies/wink.gif When you think about it, no wonder the Russians are so willing to extend credit for arms. They might be hard at work creating the scenario to destabilize the area so more arms will be needed and so forth. Russia's credit for arms now makes sense.
I don't believe Brazil will ever allow itself to be second best in South america, so it too will need additional arms to stay on top, so Russia gives a little more credit, and now the French and Israelis are stepping in to help Brazil even the score. And now the Russians are helping Ecuador develop nuclear power? Well, of course!
Yes, Joao, I think it's time to stock up on the peanut butter and Crumpets; this is going to be an interesting and long movie.
I think you might be on to something, Dr. Cata.
awww gee , joao, what about your neighborhood now
written by asp, March 28, 2010
and the crack heads and dealers that are near my neighborhood one barrio over

and all the killing and weapons all over the place, everyone has a gun now anyway

ill tell you what, lets just leave it like it is, everything is just hunky dorey, i mean, to really confront farc, things could only get worse

its great knowing a drug gang could just decide to bust in your pad and hold you hostage and rape your women, and just do what they want to. and have bigger fire power than the police do now.

deixa eles

i think catas ideas are worthy of an 8 year old...
no , brazil doesnt officialy let farc in
written by asp, March 28, 2010
farc negociates with the big brazilian traficars

they do cross over the pourous borders and actualy have kidnapped young people to be their slaves. i saw two seperate reports of differant families saying this

and , i dont say they are all entwined with these political parties, but they are playing footsie with some of the people in mst and the sao paulo foro, and definitly doing big business with major drug gangs from brazil, but not in brazil doing it...at least not that i know of
see , understand my main point
written by asp, March 28, 2010
the idea of getting upset over colombia allowing americans to come into colombian bases is hypocritical with so much crack and coke coming in because of drug and weapons deals with farc (and there are other parties involved also like rougue paraguaian military people as well)

it is freying the social fabric of brazil right now, huge amounts of people are being slauhtered right now because of this , there blood is flowing in brazilian streets , and many young people are losing there perspectives on life getting caught up in using and dealing this coke and crack flooding in from farc

and the tea and crumpet with vodka on the side crowd here are just playing paddy cake and figuring out how many fairies can you fit on the head of a pin
i dont even say...
written by asp, March 28, 2010
that brazil is suposed to rise up and attack farc on the flank and eliminate the need for american military to come down and help colombia

but, if brazil doesnt do that, you cant blame colombia from importing help to deal with the situation that has neighbors like chavez aiding and abetting farc, and camps in equador

that is the hypocracy of it all. let chavez allow this farc gun and drug running to go on in a big way, help them out by letting them hide in venezuela,but get all uptight about "american military" coming down .god knows how deep he might be involved with it and how much money he might be getting from it. by the way, lots of people and lots of sides are lining their pockets with this drug money, but, the farc involvement with brazil drug gangs and the tremendous amount that has entered in the country in just the last 8 or so years when these connections were proved and established, seriously implicatges them as part of the problem for this social decay that has accompanied these obvious hook ups

but nah, let it just stay like it is, anything is better than having american military even get close to the continent
and....
written by asp, March 29, 2010
who really gets to decide if american military are welcome in colombia or not is the colombian people at the voting booth

uribe wont be running so , if someone wanted to run on a platform of ordering the americn military personal out, that would be the real and only solution to getting american military out of colombia

otherwise , its just a lot of hot air bs flowing from people who cant even face the real reality of what is going on in the area
Always Remember.....
written by Lloyd Cata, March 29, 2010
Drugs and violence are not confined to 'your' neighborhood. The US is still, by far, the largest drug market in the world. California now expecting to earn $1.4B dollars in 'taxes', just for marijuana sales smilies/shocked.gif

From what I see, it appears Brazil is setting up 'drug courts' and preventive measures. These are lessons from 'what works' in the US. I see it often that Brazil will adopt years later 'solutions' from the US and put them to more effective use. Why not...Fort Apache doesn't exist any more and there is indeed a church standing on the ground where I was born smilies/cool.gifsmilies/smiley.gif

As for solutions to the region, I will end with something I have been looking at again after many years, and it is I hope the standard that I now live by and hope to bring to all my friends in Latin America. The words are clear. There is mention of our brothers in Venezuela. The lessons for today could never be clearer, and I am a 'witness' to the truth of these words;

( http://www.americanrhetoric.co...ilence.htm )

Never was it clearer that the violence that you bring to others results in violence as your inheritance. America needs to understand these words more than at any time in its history because, as you might see, the "violent temper is upon the US" as it did bring unnecessary violence to those beyond our shores.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 29, 2010


From what I see, it appears Brazil is setting up 'drug courts' and preventive measures. These are lessons from 'what works' in the US. I see it often that Brazil will adopt years later 'solutions' from the US and put them to more effective use.


That is the problem with us. I wonder why we should learn "lessons" from the good ole U.S. of A or for that matter Mother France, Eyetaly, Germany, etc; We could teach a trick or two to the "Old Europeans".

What we need is leadership with self confidence. I don't think that the "current one" is a shining example of "leadership", nor its predecessors.smilies/wink.gif

Any news from your buddy Lord Poodle?smilies/cool.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, March 29, 2010
What we need is leadership with self confidence. I don't think that the "current one" is a shining example of "leadership", nor its predecessors.

I am more hopeful of that "leadership" than I was in Lula's first term in which I characterized him as 'timid'. I must say I expected more from Mrs. K next door.smilies/sad.gif However, it cannot be denied that he has 'set the stage' for his successor for a more assertive Brazil in world economic and political affairs smilies/wink.gif

Did you see from the link(above) that we had our eyes on Latin America long before our neighbors to the south woke from their colonial sleep? smilies/cool.gif Thus it was that there has always been support for the Cuban Revolution in my neighborhood. It was with much dismay that MLK was vilified by both the right and the left for those words. He was assassinated exactly one year to the day that he delivered that speech smilies/sad.gif

Do not be fooled by the "mighty dollar", my friend. Please note that the only 'bubble' the Empire can inflate is the dollar and they are using 'again' phony calculations to create the appearance of strength with the see-saw fluctuations between the dollar and the euro when both are worth less than the paper they are printed on. Everyone here is looking at Wall Street with rose-colored glasses, but...but...it is all smoke and mirrors as they try to build each other up with new trading schemes. If it goes to 12,000 "get out...get out...get out"!!! smilies/shocked.gif There is no logical reason for the present valuations unless you still want to 'trust' the rating agencies like last time. I wonder what our friend Ricardo A. would have to say? smilies/wink.gif

Any news from your buddy Lord Poodle?

The Poodle was last seen crushing grapes into wine that he might intoxicate Abu Mazen to rejoin the "Palestinian Exodus" talks smilies/angry.gif, while watching out that Hamas does not punish him for being such a good con man smilies/cheesy.gif His own countrymen do not care for his presence as they are trying to remove the leash Lord High Emperor George hoodwinked him into wearing. You are certainly invited to keep him once his duties are completed in Rio, but...but...remember that there are rules to 'clean up after your pets' if you want to join the club of elites smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

I patiently await comments at;
( http://www.brazzilmag.com/comp...retty.html ) before I follow your 'judicious' advice and add my own insight smilies/wink.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 30, 2010

I patiently await comments at;
( http://www.brazzilmag.com/comp...retty.html ) before I follow your 'judicious' advice and add my own insight


I saw that link and I did not want to comment there, as the threads in that magazine do not remain in the headlines for too long. I think that you are specifically referring to the prediction of Goldman Sachs:

And Goldman Sachs's forecast for the evolution (involution?) of Brazilian GDP seems really strange. I wonder if there is no transcription mistake. Maybe somebody forgot to add the number 1 before 925...


You yourself have given the reason for this "strange" prediction.smilies/grin.gif Some other American bloggers have also mentioned how the functions of Federal Reserve have been outsourced to Goldman Sachs with the objective of saving the U.S. economy.smilies/grin.gif Weren't they the ones who coined the BRIC?

There prediction for Brazilian GDP sounds ominous and come out to be true.smilies/sad.gif In fact,it just conforms my theory that we are living on illusions. We didn't get affected by the world economic recession? NOT YET. Just wait till the mid 2011.

The reason is we are doing exactly what the Americans were doing till the housing bubble burst. a)Inflated real estate and farm land prices, easy credit to the buyers who can not afford to pay the monthly mortgage rates. b) Easy credit for low income consumers ( eg. A car can be bought in 60 monthly installments ) c) Exporting raw material to PRC and importing finished goods, thus wiping out the local industries and causing unemployment in the manufacturing sector.

I can go on listing other factors that would eventually take us to bankruptcy.smilies/angry.gif but...but.., it will get me madder.smilies/angry.gif

While accessing the thread you posted, I came across another article:

http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/article/83-march-2010/12028-lulas-us-856-billion-plan-will-start-only-after-he-leaves-office.html


I just couldn't help laughing. Where are we going to get $856 Billions for the "Growth Plans" of Mr.Lula after he leaves the office? smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

As for your dollar, at least you have about 8000 tons (Is my figure right?) of gold reserve in Fort Knox to back it up. Well, we don't.

Though I wouldn't like to see us going back to the "Plantation" era, I get a feeling that it is inevitable. The next 7 months will tell.smilies/cry.gif
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, March 30, 2010
‘Spoken BrazilianPortuguese and EuroPort. are structured by two distinct grammars”
written by Valeska, April 04, 2010
‘Spoken BP and EP are structured by two distinct grammars”

source:
Sociolinguistics: an international handbook of the science Volume 3
By Ulrich Ammon, Norbert Dittmar, Klaus J. Mattheier, Peter Trudgill

quote is easily searchable on Google books


BP = Brazilian Portuguese
EP = European Portuguese

from the same book:

Issues connected with standardization

”So-called -teaching of Portuguese-, paradoxically
termed -teaching of the mother tongue-, is required in Brazil
even for students who have BP as L1. Underlying this paradox is the fact that school grammars follow certain European Portuguese norms that are absent from even literary and technical texts in contemporary
Brazil. Since EP constitutes a purely imaginary norm, many Brazilians hold their speech in low esteem, as is evident in the common feeling that “we don’t know how to speak our own language”. The standard language has more to do with social class than with context.” smilies/cry.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, April 05, 2010
As for your dollar, at least you have about 8000 tons (Is my figure right?) of gold reserve in Fort Knox to back it up. Well, we don't.

US has been 'selling' huge gold reserves to 'hold down' the price in support of the dollar. However this plan has backfired as other central banks 'quietly' buy as much as they can get their hands on.

( http://www.financialsense.com/.../0108.html )

There is 'no case' that can be made now for gold/dollar convertibility. The amount of dollars in circulation and the US debt load is impossible to consider in terms of any commodity or basket of commodities. It was tried to 'diversify' the dollar, as in petro-dollars and currency baskets(yen-dollar, which the Japanese refused), but the 'real' valuation of the dollar cannot really be determined until there is unanimity of currency pricing - which is why the US is 'adamant' that the Chinese join in revaluing their own currency to 'stabilize' the dollar. It is the major creditors to the US who are going to decide on the dollar valuation, with an eye to their own vulnerability to the decline of the defacto 'world currency'.

Now the US is going to make the case at the next G-20 that China is 'manipulating' its currency to the detriment of the 'world economy'. In plain English, that means unless the Chinese agree to 'support' the dollar everything and everyone is in jeopardy. The Chinese know they cannot hold out alone, but it is not in their interests to leave the dollar in control, so there are disagreements even in China as to what the 'dollar policy' will be. There are hardliners, who would gamble that they could further destabilize the US economy, and there are pragmatists who want to build China until the US concedes economic superiority to Chinese capitalism. Remember that the economic crisis in the world was created by US financial adventurism and no responsible person in the financial community wants to see a repeat as could be the case without "significant financial reform" in the US. It is in the Chinese interests and the interests of the world community to 'force' the US to adopt practices(pass laws) that prevent a return to 'boom-bust' economics. That is an argument the G-20 can understand, even if they wish it was not so. The Chinese economy should not be expected to bear the brunt of bad economic policy by US financiers when there are no mechanisms in place the prevent a repeat of the same behavior. How dare the US government threaten 'retaliation' against others when they are the culprits in the biggest economic swindle in the history of the world?!?! If you are too weak to clean your own house what is it you really think you can do to others? Will the Chinese make this argument, and can it lead to US reform? We shall soon see!
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, April 05, 2010

How dare the US government threaten 'retaliation' against others when they are the culprits in the biggest economic swindle in the history of the world?!?! If you are too weak to clean your own house what is it you really think you can do to others? Will the Chinese make this argument, and can it lead to US reform? We shall soon see!


Spoken like a "true" American (and world citizen) and my salutes to you.smilies/cheesy.gif

If you are too weak to clean your own house what is it you really think you can do to others?


It is funny that I ask this question all the time in both professional and family environment and I get bulls**t response most of the time.smilies/shocked.gif
João da Silva
written by Lloyd Cata, April 05, 2010
Spoken like a "true" American (and world citizen)

It is easy to see why the American people are dissatisfied with Barack Obama. Certainly he wants to build institutional foundations, such as health care and energy independence, "but the people want those responsible for the economic meltdown to pay a price". That has not happened, and it has not even been proposed, with the weak reforms proposed that do not even scratch the surface of the financial crimes committed against the American people, and the world.

I told you before that he was standing in the way of the people with the pitchforks against the bankers. Well, if he doesn't send some of these miserable money-grubbers to jail soon there is going to be more dissatisfaction with him, as he is surrounded by councilors who are complicit in Wall Streets crimes. You know, like how the FBI hires hackers to combat internet crime, well Obama has hired these people thinking they are the only ones who can unravel the crime. The fact is these people in the White House have no intention to convict their colleagues and it appears they are fooling no one except Obama.

It is time for the president to be presidential, and 'clean house', starting with his own!

The international community can assist America to build the 'engines' of economic growth around the world, but there will be no 'return' to empirical economic edicts formulated in Washington and manipulated by the 'wizards' of Wall Street. The US economic engine is broken, not irreparably, but it is not going to get fixed by coddling those responsible. They will simply re-inflate the bubbles of illusionary quick profits using the hard-earned money of those willing enough or misguided enough to join them at the casino. It is not an easy thing to cure a gambler, and almost impossible to tear down the casino, but the rest of the world cannot be expected to 'enable' a system of finance, that impacts everyone on the planet.

Everyone has had to pay a price for the recent financial crisis, and now the American people are paying their price. There is no escape or easy answers, but the people want the truth, and with that truth accountability. Throwing charges of one kind or another, practicing illegal trade agendas, and refusing to acknowledge your own behavior are classic addictive symptoms. The US economy needs a doctor and the Law, not disputes with the very people it 'needs' to recover as a 'partner' in the new global economy.

Mr. Bernanke may still remain as the Emperors Accountant, but all he has to count these days is how long the 'house of smoke and mirrors' can sustain itself without the cooperation of nations on both sides of the East-West divide. Right now they think they can 'bully' the Chinese on currency, and they can bully Latin America on trade, and bully the ME on oil, and control Africa with 'Endless Coups'. Even as the world forms a consensus to keep the Americans afloat, there are plans to remove the US from its position of economic dominance. All else is fiction.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, April 05, 2010

It is easy to see why the American people are dissatisfied with Barack Obama. Certainly he wants to build institutional foundations, such as health care and energy independence, "but the people want those responsible for the economic meltdown to pay a price". That has not happened, and it has not even been proposed, with the weak reforms proposed that do not even scratch the surface of the financial crimes committed against the American people, and the world.


I think that the Americans are too hard on PBO without giving him enough time to perform. The Fox is relentlessly in pursuit of him. I think that the Nobel committee tried to make an ass of him by giving a "peace" award, right a few weeks after he took office. IMHO, he is handling himself well (to my utter surprise) and so is HRC.

Do you think that the hostility of the American people towards PBO is because he is a "Kenyan American" and doesn't have the right "pedigree"?

P.S: Would love to see Captn.Brodie and our buddy ASP to join this debate.smilies/smiley.gif

BTW, did ya hear that even the "Mayor of Kabul" is threatening to join the "Talibans", because of the "foreigners interfering in the internal affairs of Afghanistan"? I guess, Karzai doesn't like "Kenyan Americans".smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Lloyd Cata, April 07, 2010
My condolences to the families who lost their loved ones in the recent rains in Rio. I hope all my friends are staying dry and alert. As you see American miners give their lives because greed overcomes 'known' safety issues.

Do you think that the hostility of the American people towards PBO is because he is a "Kenyan American" and doesn't have the right "pedigree"?

I think we already discussed that he 'leads' from the right and 'governs' from the left. What we would call a 'guns and butter' approach. Being 'Kenyan-American' allows those who want to portray him as Marxist, muslim, voo-doo doctor, anti-christ, and anything else negative to find ready believers. You see that is one thing that draws some people, like myself, to Brazil. There are racist elements in Brazil, as there would be in any diverse society with different ethnic cultures, but in the US 'hate' is so prevalent throughout the society, and after Obama(2009), it has grown exponentially(many references agree). 'Hate' in America has partnered with 'Greed' against Obama, and that is a combination that is both violent and corrupt. Brazil does not have, to my knowledge, such a level of 'violent hate groups' based exclusively on skin color, government, gender-rights, and even the animal rights groups will blow you up for their 'cause'. I understand that there are numerous 'murders' in Brazil, and some of it is 'state-sponsored', and some of it from 'greedy land barons', and most from drugs and corruption, but it is still difficult for most people to understand the 'hate' that is built into 'the American culture' as a result of our historical journey to freedom. Perhaps we will all learn something from this experience, but it will be a painful experience, due to get worse before it gets better. Now Hate in America is wed to Money in America...and I defy anyone on the planet to predict the consequences, but President Obama must face this 'every day'. It is not easy, and there are many in America and around the world who are praying for him, but at the same time 'he' is the president and we want him to exercise every power in his authority to stop this hate, and the first step is to stop the greed that is feeding the violent extremism. American extremists hate Wall Street, the UN, the New World Order, and Obama is seen as representing these 'interests', therefore 'the enemy'. His 'method' of achieving health reform only reinforced 'that image'.

The bullets may be flying in the ME, but the real war is in the US!
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written by Baen Brodie, April 07, 2010
Dr. Cata, I would like to respectively disagree with you. Currently, I'm living in America in a state that is predominately white. Despite what you might say about Obama being a Marxist, Muslim, African, and so on, this state fell in love with O'bama head over heels, as you might say. However, his popularity is rapidly disappearing, and it appears that none of the afore-mentioned factors are playing much of a role in that reversal.
From what I see, hear, and share with my friends is that Mr. Obama has exposed himself as a liar to the extent that Bill Clinton does, indeed, look like saint.
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, April 07, 2010

Dr. Cata, I would like to respectively disagree with you.


Dr.Cata likes people who "respectfully" disagree with him. That "German" shepherd is a real bad influence on your English, Capitão.smilies/sad.gif

Currently, I'm living in America in a state that is predominately white.


Do you have to make it known to the entire world that you live in Iowa?
smilies/cheesy.gif

Please proceed further with your debate with Dr.Cata, while I continue performing my duties as the handyman of my home. You cant place too much faith on hired helps these days.smilies/cool.gif
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written by Baen Brodie, April 07, 2010
Iowa also championed the likes of that great bastion of liberal thought, Jimmy Carter, until he told them that they could no longer sell grain to the Russians. There are pictures everywhere that show many small towns in Iowa with their main streets full of corn several stories high and blocks long that couldn't be sold. Thank God for the Italians, who purchased the corn on behalf of the Iowa farmer at cheap, subsidized prices and then resold it to the Russians at a profit the farmers would have loved to earn.

Ronald Reagan, of course, trumped Iowa's beloved Jimmy Carter. When Reagan arrived at the Des Moines airport to campaign, the city police gave him a paraded escort downtown, even though they were warned that public displays of political affection were illegal by government officials. I think those silly Iowans had just become desperate by then.

Sorry, Joao, I'm not smart enough to debate anybody about anything. I just pick what works, but so far, under the current administration, I don't see a whole lot of people working. I think Obama has a trick up his sleeve, but he better perform it before too much longer. People are getting rather uneasy about the wait, and I'm not sure that raising taxes is the best way to fire up an economy; I'll let Dr. Cata tell me why the economy is a success, and I'll just listen.

Oh, yes, German shepherds. I love them. Back home, they have a dog called the Ridgeback. A nice dog, but lately, I've discovered the German shepherd. A very friendly dog, athletic, protective, but wonderful around friends and even pleasant strangers. A good dog for children and us old folks.smilies/cheesy.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, April 07, 2010

Not easy to get the Measuring instruments back to work with batteries made in PRC. Finally managed to do it, thanks to high quality fuses the Brasilians are still capable of making. Oh, sorry for bringing in my professional problems into this august forum. We still make good Screwdrivers, though.

I think those silly Iowans had just become desperate by then.


What else do you expect out of those silly folks who fell for an actor, just like the rest of their countrymen? Of course, the history repeats itself and the Californians are no different.smilies/wink.gif

Sorry, Joao, I'm not smart enough to debate anybody about anything.


Yeah, I have heard this story of your being dumb before. You must have read the "Art of War" by Sun Tzu. smilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

People are getting rather uneasy about the wait, and I'm not sure that raising taxes is the best way to fire up an economy;



Here it never fired up the economy, but...but... people´s anger. Thanks for reminding me about the "Taxes". I am also busy doing my Income Tax returns.

I'll let Dr. Cata tell me why the economy is a success, and I'll just listen.


I am standing by to listen to his explanations.smilies/cheesy.gif

Who said the Dog was the man´s best friend? Was it Shakespeare or Winny Churchill? I don't recall. But..but.. regardless of the color, breed, nationality or race of the dogs, they have a nasty habit of getting attached to me. I learned a long time ago that it is futile to try chasing them away.

Back home, they have a dog called the Ridgeback.


Is Ridgeback Scottish or South African?smilies/smiley.gif
Baen Brodie
written by Lloyd Cata, April 08, 2010
I'll let Dr. Cata tell me why the economy is a success

Despite our dear friends praise of the Obama economy, though I think he's waffling a bit, everyone knows that Iowa is 'nowhere' representative of the US economy. Corn in the US not available for export is surely available as bio-fuel 'and' heavily subsidized, so my friend has it both ways. This is what I would ask him though;
How many commercial businesses are closed on the main street where he lives? The other shoe is about to drop and its name is 'commercial real estate'. Take a look at that market and tell me we are on the upside.smilies/shocked.gif
Upbeat talk is very well to 'keep hope alive', but the only increase Americans are seeing is people losing unemployment benefits faster than job growth which is celebrated as good news. Re-inflating the stock market with the credit card of the American people don't count for much.

( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...29841.html )

You know something? I don't accept his apology!
And I don't accept Mr. Greenspans unapologetic weak excuses.
And I don't accept a do-nothing reform from Congress instead of apology and real reform.
And I don't accept that some of the culprits are 'still' in the White House.

What I will accept is a Special Prosecutor and a Federal Grand Jury! Something is still very wrong with the way this game is being played and the way "the smartest guys in the room" are still ripping off the American people.
Llyod Cata
written by João da Silva, April 08, 2010

What I will accept is a Special Prosecutor and a Federal Grand Jury! Something is still very wrong with the way this game is being played and the way "the smartest guys in the room" are still ripping off the American people.


What I like about you is that you demand a "Special Prosecutor and a Federal Grand Jury". Just like me. My better (and excellent) half keeps on telling me that I am too hard on "Bunda Moles" who talk a lot and deliver nothing. But..but.. I am what I am and enjoy being so.
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written by Baen Brodie, April 09, 2010
Dr. Cata. Please don't misunderstand my attempt at a bit of irony. I'm just as disillusioned as the next fellow and was somewhat hoping yopu could raise my spirits, somehow.smilies/cheesy.gif
Baen Brodie
written by João da Silva, April 09, 2010

I'm just as disillusioned as the next fellow and was somewhat hoping yopu could raise my spirits, somehow.


Dr.Cata must be too shocked to comment after reading that the 8th "Dirty Sister" is going to set up her residence in Rio.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

http://www.brazzilmag.com/comp...years.html

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written by Baen Brodie, April 09, 2010
Joao, I was unable to leave a comment. Yes, Dr. Cata must be in a great deal of pain at the moment!
Interesting that the Americans will have to ask for permission to participate in joint peacekeeping missions in Brazil.smilies/cheesy.gif
Is it too early to ask exactly what is the nature of the peacekeeping mission in which they will be asking to participate?

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