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Brazil's Debt to the Ford Foundation: E Unum Pluribus PDF Print E-mail
2010 - May 2010
Written by Peter de Mambla   
Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:09

Black and white The United States of America has long been recognized as a beacon of race relations, a shining city on a hill where ebony and ivory have long lived in harmony. Conscious that to whom much is given much is expected, conscientious Americans have not been content to sit back and enjoy the manifold blessings providence has conferred on their racial relations and have instead been keenly aware of their obligation to realize their manifest destiny and go forth and share with others the blessings that their much-celebrated President Barack Obama is a testimony to.

Given the formidable assignment of making the world safe for Dr Dre, the Ford Foundation has set about its noble task with missionary zeal. Not content to rest on its laurels, having already made a valuable contribution to America's race relations by funding such groups as the Black Panthers and La Raza, the Foundation's first major port of call has been Brazil, that country so often compared with America on racial matters.

Here was a country that would require the Foundation to pool all its experience in bringing people together to surmount the monumental challenge it posed; a country that was so steeped in racism, for whom racism had become such a normal and unremarkable part of life, that all too many of its people had become so accustomed to it as to not to be able to see it when an outsider happened to point it out to them.

They had become so blind to their own racism that some charlatan among them had even been able to suggest that their country was a "racial democracy", this bald-faced lie somehow able to go unchallenged for many years (as if such an Edenic paradise, where people of and not of color sit down together at a table of brotherhood to eat arroz e feijão (rice and bean), could even be possible without the Ford Foundation's involvement!).

Into such an unreal world, a world of a collective flight from reality, stepped the Foundation. And it dispatched Thomas Skidmore to start setting things aright, starting the process of patiently instructing the natives on how to recognize and appreciate the beauty and fine texture of the Emperor's clothes.

It would be unfair to the Foundation's magnanimous nature to believe that it would limit its commitment to protecting human rights to African-Brazilians and Indian-Brazilians. No, the Foundation's outlook is colorblind, and toward this end it is committed to social change and combating inequalities and exclusion wherever it may be found, in all directions.

While African-Brazilians and Indigenous-Brazilians are of course under-represented, and therefore excluded, from the middle and upper classes, and so the prestige and standard of living associated with those classes, European-Brazilians and Asian-Brazilians are similarly excluded from such highly lucrative careers as, for example, soccer stars.

For kicking a ball around a field, African-Brazilians (who make the overwhelming majority of Brazilian soccer stars) are over-represented in Brazil's domestic soccer teams as well as in the national soccer teams, making European-Brazilians a vulnerable and excluded social group when it comes to the soccer field, soccer being a major part of the nation's psyche.

The remuneration received by these stars dwarfs whatever pittance the European-Brazilians may receive in their middle-class salaried employment. For the upper-class Brazilians, a similar income to that received by these African-Brazilian soccer stars is usually only attainable through a much more torturous path of education or entrepreneurship, thus constituting their unjust exclusion from one of the most highly remunerative career paths available in the country.

The Ford Foundation, after consolidating the position of African-Brazilians through quotas and so forth, will follow up with urgent initiatives aimed at redressing the imbalance on the soccer field, advocating for quotas for European-Brazilians on domestic soccer teams as well as the world-renowned national soccer team.

In the same way that the centuries of miscegenation and apparent absence of overt, institutionalized racism in Brazil actually served to fiendishly hide and disguise the deep and pronounced racism actually existent in the country, the putatively higher standard of living enjoyed by European-Brazilians serves to cleverly mask the oppression and discrimination they actually face at the hands of African-Brazilians.

You see, such is the Brazilian way, such is its people's wily jeitinho, that what appears to be the case is all too often only a sneaky way of hiding the opposite which is in fact the case. In such a way was a decades-long myth able to be created and sustained, namely the one associated with charlatans like Gilberto Freyre and Darcy Ribeiro that held miscegenation not only to be common but to never having been considered a crime or a sin.

And this was somehow meant to paint Brazil in a better light than countries like the United States, where miscegenation was supposedly rare and sometimes forbidden, such as during Jim Crow. It is this type of deception that the African-Brazilians have been unfairly perpetrating against European-Brazilians, and the Foundation has set its sites on combating this human rights infraction.

You see, while the European-Brazilians are deceived into believing that their nominally higher standard of living leaves them better off than their African-Brazilian counterparts, they forget that they have been suckered into paying not only their own utilities, but the electricity, running water and Internet of the favelados, who themselves pay nothing in this regard, not to mention taxes. The deceptions the Foundation seeks to counteract are not only of the racial (democracy) variety but of the class variety as well.

While much progress has been made by the Foundation over the years in helping overcome Brazil's extreme racism (which makes the alleged racism of Apartheid South Africa and Jim Crow America pale into insignificance in comparison), surprisingly little focus has been given to one of the country's most striking examples of inequality, and therefore of discrimination and exclusion.

As already mentioned, the Foundation does not discriminate in terms of the objects toward which it directs its correcting efforts, whether it is white elites or black elites excluding vulnerable social groups.

One of the most flagrant abusers in Brazil of the cherished principle of equality is the powerful social group known as Nippo-Brazilians. Constituting only 1% of the population, they have unfairly managed to reserve for themselves something like 20% of university spots in South America's most prestigious university, the University of São Paulo.

The courses this racial coterie tends to retain for itself through influence and connections, withholding them from other equally deserving Brazilians, are the ones that lead to prestigious professions and well-paying careers, like those in medicine, engineering, etc.

Thus, other Brazilians like European-Brazilians and African-Brazilians, simply on the basis of their race or skin color, are excluded from enjoying an equitable representation in the most prestigious university in South America, and from there many of the prestigious professions that follow. All because of the greed of this tiny but ruthlessly oppressive racial elite.

The Ford Foundation will launch major initiatives in coming years to redress this imbalance, by advocating that quotas be set aside for European-Brazilians and African-Brazilians, and that Nippo-Brazilians be limited in university positions to an allocation that more fairly reflects their percentage of the population, which is to say 1% of available university spots.

Thus will an end be put to the vicious and offensive lies Foundation scholars have often come across in their research - that the undeniable evidence of Japanese racial discrimination and exclusion can better be explained by reference to cultural attributes exercised by the Nippo-Brazilians that lend themselves to academic and professional excellence, such as discipline and studiousness, rather than any racist discrimination as such practiced by them.

It is to counteract precisely such harmful denialist myth-making, selfishly employed to perpetuate inequality by those who benefit from it, that the Foundation directs much of its efforts.

Efforts are ongoing to correct other flagrant examples of racial exclusion, such as the over-representation of African-Brazilians in the Carnaval floats that every year parade in the Sambadrome in Rio de Janeiro, the Foundation seeking to rectify the unacceptable under-representation of European-Brazilians, Nippo-Brazilians, Indigenous-Brazilians and Undocumented-Brazilians in what is an important example of Brazilian cultural expression.

Such a world-famous event as Rio's Carnaval has evidently hitherto sought to show the world only one picture of Rio and Brazil, perhaps wishing to exclude and hide (no doubt out of racist-motivated embarrassment) the other important and valuable cultural contributions made by the aforementioned Brazilians equally deserving of participation.

A major method employed by the Foundation in bringing social change to redress inequality and assist vulnerable and disadvantaged social groups is the introduction into the Brazilian mindset of the notion of hypodescent, a concept that has enjoyed long currency in the United States and that has in fact been critical to the realization of that country's exemplary race relations.

Historically Brazilians have labored under the mistaken notion that miscegenation does not render the offspring thereof automatic members of the ethnicity of the parent considered to be subordinate or inferior, Brazilians believing instead that such offspring can equally identify with the ethnicity of their mother as well as their father or simply identify as mixed-race or a color describing his physical appearance, like moreno.

Instead of doing the right thing and subscribing to the notion of hypodescent, the country's elites have traditionally fed the African-Brazilian majority on a steady diet of lies, such as that there has always been a lot of miscegenation in Brazil (when research ever since Thomas Skidmore's invaluable contribution has shown the opposite to be the case) and that this has somehow painted the country in a more positive light than other countries (the countries usually compared unfavorably with Brazil being Apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany and Jim Crow America, as if such a comparison says anything) and that the country has not traditionally considered those with "one drop" of African blood to be black or African-Brazilian.

Instead, African-Brazilians have unjustly been kept from being conscious of their black identity by a dizzying array of racial categories thrown up by their oppressors to confuse them, allegedly employed to describe the range of physical appearances ranging from bem-branca to azul-marinho (very white to navy blue), reflecting the supposed historical miscegenation of the Brazilian people.

Foundation efforts have therefore been effective over the last few years in inculcating in Brazilians the American bifurcated understanding of race and ethnicity, so that they come to realize finally that whiteness is such an ineffable quality, so exquisitely undefiled and unblemished in its purity, that all it takes to sully its pristine and unspoilt beauty - is one drop of black blood.

It is from gaining this understanding that 90% of the Brazilian population - many of them acting out and living their lives on the assumption that they are somehow white or something in between white and black - will be gently brought back down to earth and helped to realize that there is nothing to be ashamed of in being unable to attain the rarefied status of white.

It is only by 90% of Brazilians realizing that the black blood coursing through their veins  makes them black that their society will be able to take the first step in the long journey toward racial reconciliation.

It is toward this city on a hill of racial harmony, its promising light shimmering in the distance, that the Ford Foundation seeks to direct its huddled Brazilian masses, who would otherwise be left to flounder around for lack of a racial identity or color consciousness.

Editor's note: Those who know Latin might tell us that the E Unum Pluribus of the title should be Ex Uno Plura, but then the fun of the pun would have been lost.

Peter de Mambla is an Australian who resided in Brazil for one year until recently.



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Like reading an adolescent's diary
written by Bored reading this article, May 12, 2010
"Peter de Mambla is an Australian who resided in Brazil for one year until recently" - Wow, there's a surprise, an Australian backpacking around South America. Now he's an "expert" on Brazilian social matters (not to mention the US). Peter has left, Brazil is now a slightly better place than it was for the year that he graced it with his learned and erudite presence. Where to next Peter? Off to sort out the Middle East?
no s**t , bored reading this article
written by asp, May 12, 2010
this article has all the thrill of a bowel movement
Glad to see you liked it
written by Brazuca, May 13, 2010
I'd have stayed longer if I could. Looking forward to going back.

But that was just a year that I was physically present in Brazil. I've been interested in Brazil for many years. You don't have to be physically in Brazil to read books on Brazil or a book by a Brazilian. There are many Brazilians who've lived there all their lives and yet have never read anything by Roberto DaMatta. Most Brazilianists in the US don't actually live permanently in Brazil but make occasional forays there to perhaps meet up with people there or do some "field work", and yet they consider themselves "experts". I was there doing a bit of informal field work, if you like. There were a few things that I learnt from physically being there that I wouldn't have learnt otherwise, but fundamentally my views didn't change because they were based on the blindingly obvious.

Anyway, if your beef is with how much time one has spent physically there, I can easily direct you to Brazilians who've lived there all their lives and who fundamentally agree with me. Take a look at the links below for a start.

http://noracebr.blogspot.com/

http://nacaomestica.org/

http://www.midiasemmascara.org/artigos/movimento-revolucionario/10510-consciencia-negra-um-produto-da-fundacao-ford.html

http://palavracesa.blogspot.com/search?q=movimento+negro

http://acarajeconservador.blogspot.com/2009/10/fundacao-ford-e-o-multiculturalismo.html

http://www.georgezarur.com.br/

Anyway, glad to see you liked it. smilies/cheesy.gif In a follow-up article I may write about the ultimate agenda of the Ford Foundation, and how such foundations are used by their oligarchical masters to divide and rule their populations so that they can never threaten or challenge oligarchical interests. Brazil, as an emerging country, is obviously in their cross-hairs now, and it's a pity that the Brazilian authorities have rolled over so easily on this one.
Great article
written by A Brazilian, May 13, 2010
Keep that up.

The problem of Ford Foundation and other institutions of enslavement is not only that their actions and attempt to control are unnatural, in the sense that it is not how nature works, but also mathematically impossible.

Society could be seem as a massively concurrent system, and such system is inherently indeterminant, in other words, you can't predict or calculate what is going to happen and when. Similarly to Quantum Theory, it is not possible to observe the event and if you try then you would be altering the experiment.

That's why Ford Foundation and others will always fail, no matter what. They are too stupid to figure out that what they are trying to do is mathematically impossible.
Gringolândia At It Again…
written by fried CHC, May 13, 2010



I agree with “A Brazilian” 150%…. Mathematically impossible.

Let the gringos try to figure it out, just divide any number you wish by ZERO and see what you get… Your calculator will explode!

Gringos are funny people, they come to Brasil for a week and suddenly, they are experts in this complex, textured, multi-cultured society.

I was born here, lived my entire life here, my family traces back to the 1600s in this soil called Brasil, I still haven’t discovered it in all its full details.

Gringalhada, KISS MY (…..o…..)

Costinha
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written by Nicholas (usa_male), May 13, 2010
Mr. Peter Mambla, screw you and stay in Aussie land. You're a piece of garbage who's target is to divide societies.
Your Ford Foundation (sponsored by big corporations, include the ones we US tax payers have bailed out), so go figure why foot soldiers like Peter Mambla feel great and are "experts" after staying for one year out of their bubble.

I would expect this more from an American, but I see this whole cancer that started in Europe, long time ago,(PC language to control people and hide their true facist ideas, Utopian one world where everybody will be happy, open border "progressives"), hasn't only spread in the US but also down under and is desperately busy to spread it into the rest of the Americas. I keep praying that they (the Ford Foundation) keep on failing.

The actions of Ford Foundation should always be challenged so people can see the true face of this racist dividing tax payer vampire group. I have been so far 7 times in Brazil and I'm still not an expert because i haven't visited the north east, west and the most souther states yet. Only 4 places in the South East (Campinas-SP, Sao Paulo-SP, Rio-RJ and Belo Horizonte-MG). I have never heard or read the words, African-Brazilian, European-Brazilian or Asian-Brazilian. This guy, Peter Mambla and many more foreigners, mainly from the US, are comming up with this nonsense, pure to divide step by step and you don't even notice that if you don't read or listen carefully to them. Again, I hope Brazilians will stay awake and just put those clowns on their spot and tell them straight forward to f**ck off. If you don't do that, the chance is high that you will end up crazy like the people in Europe, Aussie Island, Canada and the US.

asp
written by João da Silva, May 13, 2010

this article has all the thrill of a bowel movement


The dingos from "down under" should write more articles to ease your bowl movement, ASP.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
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written by Chrnno, May 13, 2010
There is no such thing as European-Brazilians, Nippo-Brazilians, Indigenous-Brazilians or African-Brazilians just by saying those things you already show you not only know nothing about Brazil but seems to be living in another world.
Responding to Chrnno
written by David de Clermont, May 13, 2010
Chrnno, you wrote "There is no such thing as European-Brazilians, Nippo-Brazilians, Indigenous-Brazilians or African-Brazilians..". Perhaps this terminology does not exist in the dictionary, but it is a completely legitimate way to describe the racial differences in Brazilian society, just as it would be correct to say Black Americans or Black French. In the whole world there exists an unfortunate socioeconomic divide between the native conquered races, the non-native conquered races imported to a land and the non-native conquering races, even generations later as is still so egregiously visible in Latin America. How else would you have that author describe those socio-economic divisions that are so well defined by one's racial heritage and that are so poorly focused on by the governments to reverse this sad trend? This continuing imbalance is what fuels the Left Wing imbecils that believe pure socialism and perhaps even communism provide the answer to these ills, forgetting all the overwhelming worse evils that their political philosophy has wrought on the world and its helpless victims.
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written by asp, May 13, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dlSVHZtQ_A

from the wonderful of antonio nobrega , and incredible source of cultural information in brazil , reffering to culture afro brasileira, and afro brasileiros.....i respect this wonderful artist more than what any one on a blog like this would say.

to say there isnt cultura afro brasileira in brazil, or , there arnt descendants of slaves brought over from Africa, no matter the mixture, is bulls**t.
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written by asp, May 13, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...re=related

does anybody here doubt that i could bring in a youtube from sub sahara africa that would be almost identical ?

man, f**k the ford foundation, do people really think they amount to a hill of beans as to having any affect on the real discrimination that goes on . they arnt a part o everyday life in brazil. but, brazilian conciousness on tv campains about racism and laws that are on the books about racism attest to the fact that brazilians are confronting racism in brazil and are doing fine (meaning without outside help) without any outside meddling

i might have known this was brazuca who wrote this article, here is a guy and "a brazilian" too, that i sent two differant times notices in two differant places in brazil of neo nazis showing racism , including attacks, against black brazilians.

a huge amount of africans were brought to brazil under the boot of slavery. they were freed in the late 1880's (with ilegal slaves coming in well after), with no help or integration into the system.poverty can be passed down generation to generation like wealth can be passed down from generation to generation.

was there lots of mixture?...yes

did many black brazilians escape the boot of slavery ? ...yes

but, there are a huge amount of poor people , who form a sub economy , excluded from the mainstream , who are the descendants of slaves from africa , who didnt escape the boot of slavery and its after affects , and that sure isnt just brazil

any body from any where who doesnt understand that, and , how slavery affected all of the americas, is f**ked up in the head

and, anybody that thinks brazil has to follow some outside way to deal with their problems in these areas , is f**ked up in the head also
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written by Vitor, May 13, 2010
Hello guys. Let me say this. Im Brazilian and my color is brown, sometimes white, yellow and black. In summer Im always black you know smilies/cheesy.gif. What am I? I dont know. My father is so white that hes red cuz of the sun. My mother is brown with straigth black hair. Mixing both here I am. I got none of those options given by US sociaty. Once I have been in US. And I had to choose between white, black and hispanic. I laught at them. I said: Choose any of those options will do. They marked hispanic, and that doesnt even do me. Cuz I dont speak SPANISH lol well I do cuz I learned at school if that do I am german also cuz of the same case :p So, if you want headache with those racial things, good luck but dont bring problems to us brazilian.
May the peace be with you guys.
Cya.
One drop is all it takes, Vitor
written by Brazuca, May 14, 2010
I had to choose between white, black and hispanic. I laught at them. I said: Choose any of those options will do.

No, not any option will do. They wouldn't -- couldn't -- have chosen the "white" option, Vitor, because "whiteness is such an ineffable quality, so exquisitely undefiled and unblemished in its purity, that all it takes to sully its pristine and unspoilt beauty - is one drop of black blood."

One drop of putrefying, poisonous, pestilent black blood. One drop of this noxious weed is all it takes in that fair land to the north to cast you irretrievably into that deep cold pit called blackness.

You see, only those whose ancestors have taken meticulous sanitary precautions to avoid contamination have the right, the privilege, to call themselves white, to declare that they are virgin, unspoilt, beautiful, pure.

There are only two options available, Vitor. Pure and impure. White and black. Angel and demon.

Your dad may be pure. But your mum certainly is not. Which makes you impure. Which makes you black. One drop, Vitor. That's all it takes.

A pardo is not a pardo. He's black. He's a black who's just kidding himself that there is no such thing as a one-drop rule, one drop that is mud hurled onto a white canvas. A moreno is not a moreno. He's a black living in denial. These are demons who are not willing to acknowledge their fallen status.

And the Ford Foundation is in Brazil to set things straight, to teach that pardos are black, that morenos are black, that caboclos are black, that there is only black and white, that there is no in-between.

Because all that matters in the great scheme of things, all that counts, are the two categories of white and non-white, the elect and the non-elect, the chosen and the rest -- those vessels of wrath fitted for destruction.

Vitor, you're not white, nor could you ever be. Run along, now. Off you go to join Afro-Reggae, and start beating your drums, which will be your battle cry as you fight against the whites who oppress you. Like you father.
What's up . . . . . . .
written by capnamerca, May 14, 2010
With all the hatred and envy here in this forum? I have been reading this forum for a few years, and that's one thing I see in the comments on almost every article. If you haven't lived "my" life, you don't know jack, and if you weren't born "here", you're an idiot. Some of you people could learn something if you opened your minds a little. I'm not touting this authors points of view, or anyone's in particular, but I have learned in life a few things, and one of the most important is to model others behavior of success. Rather than envy someone who has been successful. it might be beneficial to find out how they have been successful and follow the prescription. Hatred and envy only keep you in the hole you are in. LOL . . . OK, let's see the flames.
f**k the ford foundation
written by asp, May 14, 2010
i mean what the f**k has the ford foundation got to do with watching white dominated tv in brazil run by white elites making the desicians to make brazilian tv look like swiss tv? and the f**king media is the most powerful influence on how people think than anything

oh, yeah, a few black brazilians trickle in , you could even see one black brazilian in the miss brasil contest on tv recently, there were also two mixed race contestents and the rest were almost look alike cupie dolls of portuguese decent.

you could see elizibeth filardes play a maid and prostitute in one charactor on a tv show several years ago

you got three white female singers (two of them pretty good ), and, two white female dancers, one blond one morena, as the representatives of salvador bahia, i mean do you think there are no great black female dancers and singers coming out of salvador (besides margereth menezes) ?

only during carnival and some quick shots of the real brazilian people celibrating their culture during the world cup, does the afro brasilian culture get some kind of minimal exposure on the television media . the rest of the time , it just shows music that is brought to you by the white elite , whether its foreign corporate artists, or some kind of white brazilian rock, certanega universitario, or techno forro

and the afro brasilian culture absolutly wipes out the foreign corporate crap, any real brazilian nationalist should be clamering hard to get the media to let us all see the real brazilian culture year round.....i sure see more tango reports year round on tv where i live

so where the f**k is the ford foundation in the tv media owned by elite white brazilians ? where is their omnipresent presence telling us all what we are suposed to think and do ?

you know, just travel on the airlines in brazil and look at the passengers in the waiting rooms and on the plane...mostly white, by any ku kluz klan standards

look at the congress

look at the universities

look at any gated condominium

they are mostly dominated by obviously white brazilians. there is an abcence of brazilian of color in any of these areas with some exceptions

jesus f**k, this "one drop rule" is some kind of ancient relic of the deep south, it doesnt play out in real american life any more in any way. if you travel in a lot of areas in the states you are going to see more hispanic people than black and white. more morena mixed people in places like miami , new york, santa fe, los angeles etc its f**king tired, drop the bulls**t

you are right , vitor, there is no correct classification for a brazilian on these usa government forms. it is ridiculas and limited , i totaly agree
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written by asp, May 14, 2010
there is no question that there is a huge amount of people who are mixed in brazil, its part of what makes this country so great and special

but, there are huge amounts of people who are blatently white , and , huge amounts of people who are afro descendant by any stretch of the imagination
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written by asp, May 14, 2010
and , this isnt saying the white brazilians are supposed to just roll over and give away wealth and oportunity

but, no matter how you slice it, brazil is and is going to face its slavery past. a past that has left many people in poverty and excluded from society today. yes , there are poor white brazilians and poor indian brazilians and poor pardos , and, each group has to find their own way to be included into the prosperity that the country offers

other wise, you are going to have a sub world with a sub economy that will , in the long run, only hinder the real path for prosperity and growth for all brazilians
The Japanese are way worse than the whites
written by Brazuca, May 14, 2010
You talk about the whites, asp, but the Japanese are proportionately way more bad-ass in their oppression than the whites -- they make the whites look like amateurs! And yet you leave them alone and focus on the whites! Get your priorities straight, man! In case you need some reminding ...

One of the most flagrant abusers in Brazil of the cherished principle of equality is the powerful social group known as Nippo-Brazilians. Constituting only 1% of the population, they have unfairly managed to reserve for themselves something like 20% of university spots in South America's most prestigious university, the University of São Paulo.

The courses this racial coterie tends to retain for itself through influence and connections, withholding them from other equally deserving Brazilians, are the ones that lead to prestigious professions and well-paying careers, like those in medicine, engineering, etc.

Thus, other Brazilians like European-Brazilians and African-Brazilians, simply on the basis of their race or skin color, are excluded from enjoying an equitable representation in the most prestigious university in South America, and from there many of the prestigious professions that follow. All because of the greed of this tiny but ruthlessly oppressive racial elite.
you are so toungue in cheek, brazuka
written by asp, May 14, 2010
you have to realise that i knew that reading your article

i mean , wow, brazill f**king dot com, what is next ? are we going to get an article from loyld cata ?

you all really can pick em....no wonder we arent getting any articles on the devastation crack cocaine is doing to the country and where exactly are the origins of this devastation.
Your "tongue in cheek" didn't work
written by adrianerik, May 14, 2010
Hey boo, is this what you have been waiting five years to write.

In my opinion...Brazilian readers will miss your Mark Anthony approach at denouncing the Ford Foundation (and denouncing everything that your poor little heart wants to denounce).

My friends take nearly everything I say at face value...tongue in cheek get lost in the wash.

Next time let me edit your material for you.

I can't even criticize your article because it is so circular that it presents no arguement.

Next time I would stick with the regular cannonball in the gut approach.

my opinion

tchau
@asp
written by adrianerik, May 14, 2010
Big hand clap!
Asp
written by A Brazilian, May 14, 2010
The "one drop rule" does play a big role in the American society, especially for African-Americans.

The one drop rule is the capstone of the American racial hierarchy, taught in schools in the form of "ethnical studies", in other words, passing to the new generations their "place" in the society. Otherwise they might grow thinking they could do anything, you never know. Better indoctrinate them early.

only during carnival and some quick shots of the real brazilian people celibrating their culture during the world cup, does the afro brasilian culture get some kind of minimal exposure on the television media . the rest of the time , it just shows music that is brought to you by the white elite , whether its foreign corporate artists, or some kind of white brazilian rock, certanega universitario, or techno forro


Since when that's "real brazilian"? That's just as foreign as any other kind of music.
Vitor
written by A Brazilian, May 14, 2010
What am I? I dont know.


You don't need to use any name other than your own. If anyone asks you then just tell them the truth, your real name.

There's nothing we can do for them, their minds are broken beyond repair and they are stuck in this system of control.

The important for aware individuals is not to take part in anything regarding this insanity. Just refuse politely and continue with your life the best you can.
Looking at it again, I guess it does seem a bit of a non sequitur...
written by Brazuca, May 14, 2010
In my opinion...Brazilian readers will miss your Mark Anthony approach at denouncing the Ford Foundation (and denouncing everything that your poor little heart wants to denounce).

My friends take nearly everything I say at face value...tongue in cheek get lost in the wash.


Brazilians don't get satire, eh? I found, like with elsewhere, some do and some don't. Just look at the comments above that come from Americans.

I can't even criticize your article because it is so circular that it presents no arguement.

The form of "argument" I use is historically known as a reductio ad absurdum.

I guess they don't teach that in engineering.
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written by asp, May 14, 2010
a brazilian :
"The one drop rule is the capstone of the American racial hierarchy, taught in schools in the form of "ethnical studies", in other words, passing to the new generations their "place" in the society. Otherwise they might grow thinking they could do anything, you never know. Better indoctrinate them early."

i dont know , a brazilian, it was never ever taught to me in school , i only heard of it from the south.

as for "real brazilian culture ", im not sure i would love your version either....by the way, plenty of americans have no idea of what their true culture is, im afraid the truth is the same in brazil

adrian erik , always good to hear your input on here...you are one of the few people , who come in here ,who have really done something for people with less advantages in brazil...kudos to you
antonio nobrega
written by asp, May 15, 2010
sorry a brazilian, there are people like antonio nobrega that can define what brazilian culture is a lot better than you. and he can go to great lengths about it and how cultura afro brasileira is incredibly important to brazil.

and he is just one out of many people who can go into depth about this

you really think you are more of an authority than antonio nobrega ?

Brazil Debt to Ford
written by Fergie, May 15, 2010
For many of you that not aware of it, there are many black social clubs in Brazil that are scattered all over the country. The ex-president Cardoso talks about these clubs in his book. He talks about how he was traveling through Brazil, he discovers the large number of black social clubs in Brazil and these people were not part of the main stream Brazil. I must say that I have a lot of Brazilian friends and have gone to Brazil many times. I can say this about Brazilians, they are in denial about a lot of thing going on in Brazil.
Divided We Stand...
written by Brazuca, May 15, 2010
I suppose there ought to be white social clubs in Brazil as well, Fergie. That way things would be better.
A house divided against itself cannot stand. Qui bono?
written by Brazuca, May 15, 2010
Choice quotations from Leao in the comments section below an article informing of a Brazilian politician proposing the creation of a volkstaat of sorts for whites within Brazil!

http://nacaomestica.org/blog4/?p=880

"Destino, pelo que me parece, os grupos que estão apoiando este projeto são os mesmos que apóiam outras políticas de segregação por raça e etnia, como as cotas raciais para autodeclarados negros, os neoquilombos e as “desintrusões” de áreas indígenas."

"Nestor, o projeto não tem apenas o objetivo de preservar cultura eurobrasileira (que está muito bem preservada e é indissociável da identidade nacional), tem o objetivo de separar culturas e criar cistos étnicos territorialmente. É uma versão para os descendentes de imigrantes da política de incentivo à segregação empreendida junto aos afrodescendentes. Uma política, destaque-se, baseada em preconceitos sobre a história brasileira: os quilombos históricos, os de verdade, não eram limitados a uma etnia. Havia africanos de diversas etnias e seus descendentes, muitos deles mestiços, além de indígenas e brancos. A propaganda segregacionista desenha um quilombo uniétnico e formado apenas por negros. Os quilombos de verdade surgiram no período dos escravismo, formados por refugiados da escravidão. Para poder aumentar o número de quilombos, o presidente Lula criou os “neoquilombos”, surgidos em qualquer época. No AM, onde nunca houve quilombos, criaram um “neoquilombo” formado por descendentes de imigrantes sergipanos que chegaram ao Estado em 1907, 23 anos após a abolição da escravidão no AM, que foi em 1884 (http://nacaomestica.org/blog4/?p=761).

"O irônico, também, é que estes “neoquilombos” são fechados, inclusive a outros afrodescendentes; são exclusivos. Ou seja, há pessoas que comemoram Zumbi de Palmares e depreciam Ganga Zumba, mas defendem um tipo de quilombo que segue o modelo contra qual Zumbi se levantou. O que mudou foi o governo, que não é mais da Coroa portuguesa.

"Para que uma cultura seja eurobrasileira ou afrobrasileira ela tem que se misturar, do contrário será apenas européia ou africana e para preservar cultura européia e africana há muitos países na Europa e na África. A cultura portuguesa está muito bem preservada em Portugal, a alemã na Alemanha, a iorubá na Nigéria, etc. Estas culturas são importantes enquanto interagem com outras culturas. Este processo de sincretismo vem avançando e é contra isto, por interesses que vão além dos puramente culturais, que este projeto vai contra."

"Flávia, o grande perigo deste projeto está exatamente em estimular um clima onde os brasileiros irão identificar-se mais com segmentos do que com a identidade nacional. Nós somos brasileiros antes de tudo. O país é de todos nós, a história é a história de todos os brasileiros, a cultura nacional pertence a todos pois o processo civilizatório é comum, a Nação brasileira é única. No dizer de Darcy Ribeiro, somos “um só povo incorporado em uma nação unificada, num Estado uniétnico”. A única execeção, segundo ele, seriam as “múltiplas microetnias tribais”. Determinados povos, como os indígenas, os portugueses e os africanos, que se misturaram e se miscigenaram dando origem aos primeiros mestiços, constituíram praticamente toda a população brasileira na época em que o português D. Pedro I proclamou a Independência. Cerca de 260 famílias suíças haviam chegado três anos antes. O Brasil já possuía praticamente o tamanho atual, perdendo depois a Província Cisplatina (Uruguai) e conquistando o Acre. Este tamanho se deveu em grande parte ao conhecimento indígena que os bandeirantes, muitos deles mamelucos, possuíam ou lhes foi repassado.

"Embora não haja como negar que a base da identidade nacional foram estas três raízes, esta história pertence a todos os brasileiros pois os demais povos que chegaram depois também se misturaram e influenciaram o processo seguinte da história do Brasil. Basta observar os sobrenomes de diversos presidentes da República para ver isto: Vargas, Medici, Geisel, Kubitschek, Goulart, Collor.

"Este projeto tem diversas faces. Um projeto deste aprovado será muito útil para quem desejar provocar conflitos étnicos e raciais entre brasileiros."

[Brazuca's emphasis]
tv, the biggest white neo quilimbo
written by asp, May 15, 2010
here is the big problem.

no one is saying that something like samba is pure african.it has mixtures of european harmonies , native indian influences , and, african influences. but you better beleive its rhythmic and dance foundation comes right from the african descendants , because there is nothing in portuguese history or indian history that has anything like that groove....but , you do in africa.

its not about saying things are pure african, its about recognising the african descendents contribution to things in brazil and giving them a fair stake in the prosperity. and, anyone who thinks slaves or freed slaves were welcomed into the prosperity in brazil , is truly f**ked up in the head.

they were totaly left out in the cold to find their way on their own with no recouces or some kind of integration into society . immigrants had networks to plug into and could bring their recources and keep their families in tact coming into brazil , and, were actualy welcomed into the society

its so funny, mostly white people are screaming about this recognition of afro descendents , but, afro descendents have have been excluded from participating in so many facets of prosperity .or ,allowed to trickle in at a snail pace, like in tv, congress, housing, universities, etc

if anything, people asking for quotas , or, fair recognition of discrimination and cultural media representation, just want to be included in a society that hant let them enter

for sure, thank god, there is no blatent jim crow or ku klux klan that is from the usa, but, the unspoken barriours are seriously in place
asp...
written by Brazuca, May 15, 2010
...90% of the Brazilian population is "afrodescedente". Cardoso is afrodescedente. Lula is afrodescedente. Dilma is afrodescedente. Serra is afrodescedente. Machado de Assis is afrodescedente. The overwhelming number of politicians are afrodescedente. The overwhelming number of judges are afrodescedente. The overwhelming number of military officers are afrodescdentes. The overwhelming number of journalists, police, lawyers, porteiros, restaurant managers are afrodesecdente.

Ninety percent of the population is afrodescedente. This is a genetic fact. The DNA proves it. What do you want?!
The Jerk
written by Ederson, May 15, 2010
I agree with the above blogs. As horrible as it may seem, God has denied the white person, especially those with blue eyes, any sense of dance or rhythm. It has been a tragic mistake. It's true. I saw it in the American movie, "THE JERK" with the comedian, Steve Martin. I think God felt guilty because of his mistake and to compensate, he gave white people the atomic bomb, capitalism, opera, and ballet.
Dumb Topic
written by dnb, May 15, 2010
Instituitionalized racism will ALWAYS exist until an element of the white population that erroneously thinks they will disappear and continues to believe and promote that lie is put out of existence.

The INTELLIGENT DESIGNER will handle that soon enough. Out with evolution, Darwinism and all the other man made theories that egg on this belief.
God created ALL races and they will stay in tact.

Get KNOWLEDGE! Rid yourself of FEAR. And the HATE will cease to exist.smilies/wink.gif
There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18
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written by asp, May 15, 2010
yeah, brazuca, and guess how it breaks down ?

those who are leaning more to the white side , look white, and those leaning towards the dark side look black.look at ivette sanglao, scored 93 percent european white on her dna test....she looks pretty much like a portugues descendant. sure neginho de beija flor is 65 percent white and is very dark, and, if he wasnt famous, you can bet the police would be stopping him if he went to certain areas.

brazil does have huge and rich mixture , which is one of the wonderful things about it

how do the police fill out description reports ? besides lots of "moreno", im sure they have descriptions like "branco" or "preto"

and the power elite lean very much to the white side, i dont care how you slice it, go fly in brazil and you will see overwelming amounts of white looking people on the planes and waiting for the flights.

and,independent of all that, the real perspective that has to be dealt with is the number of people that were left under the boot of slavery , who couldnt get out from underneath that boot.

sure, lots of people did, there was lots of mixture,but, just as wealth and entitlement can be passed down, so can poverty . and so can discrimination.

hey, people can ignore it, not look at the truth of what is affecting society, but, the mind feild is set and the results are overwelming

the question is , do societies that brought slaves from africa to the americas really want to confront the problems that it brought with it ?

is there any one here who denies that enslaving millions of people and bringing them over to another continent doesnt bring enormous reprecusions ? is there anyone here who denies that these repercusions arent in play right up to the present ?

sure, the indian and caboclos who dont want to be labled "black", should look out for their rights.

and guess what ? brazil is aware of its racial problems. there are service anouncements on tv all the time about it is bad to be racist, and , it is against the law. there are laws on the books. this is a real issue, that brazil and its people are looking at and in the process of getting on top of, not some imported ford foundation imposition led by the black panthers

and every society should look at these issues if they really want to bring all its citezens along up with any prosperity and growth
Then walk the talk...
written by Brazuca, May 15, 2010
And the worst offenders, asp, are the Nippo-Brazilians! They're so brazen about it, too! I mean, 1% of the population reserving 20% of spots available at the most prestigious university in South America? Aren't they ashamed of how utterly unfair, how exceedingly disproportionate this is?

If you don't focus on the worst offenders first, then I can't take you seriously on your claim that you're somehow about evening the playing field. I'll have to conclude that you're just a fraud.
What Is All The Fuss about the Color of Your Skin?
written by fried CHC, May 15, 2010


It is a biological fact that the only thing differentiating us from each other, as far as skin pigmentation is concerned, is no more than a hand full of genes. In fact, just a few more to differentiate us from our nearest cousins, the chimps!

People so concerned with color is pretty much the same people that fears homosexuality, diversity in religion or other cultures. I must admit, President FDR was wiseman when he said “Just Fear… Fear Itself!”

Enough is enough, just relax, stop and smell the flowers, life is too short and there are more important pressing issues to deal with than trivialities. Let’s hope for less hunger, war, crime, pollution, and destruction of our planet and is inhabitants.

Think about it, we all live and share this small little planet floating around in the fabric of space in the immensity of the Universe. All we need to do is to get along because the alternative is far less then promising to all of us. Whenever there are suffering by any being, we are further and further from our full potential.

The way I see it is that I belong to just one race, the human race.

May life treat you kindly,

Costinha


great words , costinha
written by asp, May 15, 2010
i apreciete them

ok, brazuca, you are dealing with it in a sence of humor
Qui bono, Costinha?
written by Brazuca, May 16, 2010
Yes, but, Costinha, who benefits from dividing people up, like the Ford Foundation is trying to do with Brazilians? Who benefits from divide and rule? Who are the powers behind the Ford Foundation who benefit from not only dividing the American population but (now) the Brazilian population as well? Qui bono?

The Federal Reserve Bank in the United States is a private bank. It controls the American economy (and thus the world economy). Its shareholders are secret. Who are these people? And do they have anything to gain from dividing the populations around them and around the world?

The American population is slowly waking up to the fact that they're being robbed blind by the money power. This financial oligarchy has its centers in the City of London (which has its own police force separate from the police force for Metropolitan London, by the way) and Wall Street. And when the hoi polloi start to demand justice with their pitch-forks, the investment in creating disparate political-interest groups that cannot unite over the years will pay dividends. Racial conflict could be formented. Women's interests will be fundamentally different to men's interests. And there won't only be two genders with competing and conflicting interests -- but transgendered polities, too! Rather than the lower and middle classes directing their anger at their oligarchical oppressors, they'll be prodded and encouraged to direct their anger at each other -- the blacks against the whites against the hispanics against the Jews against the anti-Christians against the homosexuals against this against that.

But not against the banksters and the oligarchy they represent.

And asp, I'm using humor to bridge the existential gap between reason and your position. As I explained to the Engineer, I'm using the method of argument known as reductio ad absurdum. That's why when I point to Nippo-Brazilian oppression, you have nothing to say. Because the reductio ad absurdum is effective.
"One of the most flagrant abusers in Brazil of the cherished principle of equality is the powerful social group known as Nippo-Brazilians. Constituting only 1% of the population, they have unfairly ma
written by ch.c, May 16, 2010
Wellllll.....some like to get education, some prefer dancing the Bossa Nova and going to the beaches !

SIMPLE !

What a crappy article written by a crappy kangoroo.
After all what can kangoroosssss produce and export outside of simple IRON ORE ? Quite similar to Brazilians Monkeys !

Fortunately that the 1 % Nippo Brazilians learned how to produce fruits and vegetables. Otherwise nearly all brazilians would have chaff for staple food ! Or hunger !

And as to your mega production of grains ?
Wellll....90 % of the seeds, tractors and harvesters have been developed by FOREIGN COMPANIES....NOT BRAZ-ZEROES !

Think about what would happen as to the braz-zeroes GRAINS PRODUCTION AND COMPETITIVE pricing...without FOREIGN companies !

But very true that you are not as good as you pretend, taking care of your deforested land.
Afterall Brazil has 100 millions hectares of....DEGRADED LAND !

My hat....apparent good gardeners !


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Absurd
written by Henrique Melchiori, May 16, 2010
Well, let me start destroying all the all-american bulls**t-defenders and make the ironies very clear.

First: "The United States of America has long been recognized as a beacon of race relations, a shining city on a hill where ebony and ivory have long lived in harmony. Conscious that to whom much is given much is expected, conscientious Americans have not been content to sit back and enjoy the manifold blessings providence has conferred on their racial relations and have instead been keenly aware of their obligation to realize their manifest destiny and go forth and share with others the blessings that their much-celebrated President Barack Obama is a testimony to."

Different bathrooms for whites and blacks, separate airport rooms, etc. are clear signs of it, my son. Manifest Destiny is the pathethic mith created to persuade even more intelectualized and sensitive people to agree with the horrific genocide of the indians and Mexico's land-stealing.

Obama is another mith created by the press to the symbol-minded and stupid americans, who vote only based in the skin color of the candidates.

EXCELLENT IRONY!!!! f**k FORD FOUDATION, THE RACIALIST-PHILANTROPICAL NEO-NAZIS!!!

IT'S ABOUT TIME TO TURN ALL THE CANNONS AGAINST THESE EVIL SCUMBAGS AND EXPELL THEM FROM BRAZIL ONCE AND FOR ALL!

DOWN WITH FORD FOUNDATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brazil Debt to Ford
written by Fergie, May 16, 2010
For the last hundred years Brazil was ruled by dictators and race was a subject matter that wasn't allowed to be discussed openly.
For a long time if a black person in Brazil felted that they were discriminated against, the black person could be put in jail for making the complaint. This why there were no discussion about race like in the US and everyone kept quit about discrimination in this country. The last twenty years there has been a discussion about racial discrimination in Brazil with the rise of democracy in this country.
Open you eyes!
written by Brazuca, May 17, 2010
Fergie, there are non so blind as those who refuse to see.

It is utterly absurd what the Ford Foundation is trying to foist on Brazil, and God willing those who are valiantly standing up to this imperialism will succeed. It is being challenged right now on constitutional grounds at the STF, but I don't know how that's going. People are laughing at pointing out that the Emperor is naked. Hopefully people like you will similarly be shaken out of their stupor.
Yawn.....
written by adrianerik, May 17, 2010
Petah...Petah....Petahhhhh...you are ever the "attention ho!"

I assumed that your pathetic article would be followed by more pathetic comments.

You know...you really wouldn't have to define what "powerful" arugument your were using if your article simply had....power!"

It is simply a compilation of brassilforum B.S. which you posted over the years.

Is this your BIG contribution?

Brazil depends upon the "unorganized" to stay unorganized. Any voice given to any group outside of the padrao frightens them.

Especially since the ineptitude of the STF over the last 10 years in condemining corruption is one of the issues being being targeted.

Grow up kid! You need to open YOUR eyes and get out in the field more often rather than relying upon wisdom coming from cariocas in bars in Flamengo.

By the way...your so-called Nippo-Brazilian example is illustrative of your ignorance. Japanese are NOT an example of the Brazilian mixed society but a group who, up until recent times, only married 6% outside of their ethnicity. That figure has only begun to change in the last few decades. Japanese were not considered acceptable for the famous Whitening of Brazil. Their success should be illustrative for the movimento negro em brasil. Faced with a racist white culture and the racist white myths that infuse Brazilian society, media, religion, etc the Japanese did what every group who has survived did over the centuries, they raised their children according to their own myths...instead of dissolving and dying in the myths of white supremacy.

In the USA, where Asians, among all American immigrants are the people most eager to assimilate and absorb white values, their educational performance after two to three generations declines to mediocre levels.

When succumbing to the white supremacist image-making machine such as exists in Brasil, and dying your hair and cutting your eyes to make them less "ugly" you automatically make yourself number 2. You can never equal that which you hold to be "god".

This is exactly what African-Americans did in the American south and north where their children...professional products of their universities (just as the Japanese schools in Brasil) developed successful cities (Eatontown, Roseville, Tucson, Philadelphia, etc) ran by their doctors, lawyers, newspapermen that were so envied by the underachieving whites that they went crazy and massacred thousands, a tribute to the racism that masked their own low self-estemm.

So much for your "unanswerable" arguement.

Only by challenging the venom of white supremacy in all of its guises can a society free itself...particularly the white 'victims" of their own racism.

You wouldn't understand that. The only brown you accept on yourself is the residue that remains after your face leaves white society's ass.

tchau
Excellent Article
written by Abriu or Nelinha, May 17, 2010
Hi Brazuca,

Well done!

Your tongue in cheek approach was apparently lost on some people including adrianerik, who put forth a lot of your arguments himself as if they were original.

"Japanese are NOT an example of the Brazilian mixed society but a group who, up until recent times, only married 6% outside of their ethnicity. "

When did he say that Japanese were an example of race-mixing?

"Their success should be illustrative for the movimento negro em brasil."

That's his point! He's saying that overrepresentation of Japanese Brazilians at USP is not indicative of racism. It's indicative of a culture of hard work and discipline. Similarly the lack of representation of black Brazilians at federal universities is not a reflection of white supremacy but a culture of crime, illegitimacy, and instant gratification.
He's saying exactly what he's saying
written by adrianerik, May 17, 2010
Ummmm....hello...whoever you are. First of all...he said it wasn't "tongue in cheek" it was "non-sequitr".

And you are missing the point. It's called not understanding the "level of discussive discourse".

Of course...racism can be defeated. Anyone can unite around their people, find inspiration NOT IN THE SO-CALLED HYPOCRISY OF THE MIXED-RACE society that supposedly surrounds them but in an REJECTION of that racist paradigm that continually assaults and denigrates and animalize your people and the presentation of another paradigm that has them even rejecting marriage with that people.

Is that what you mean by hard work.

Okay, then I agree.

tchau

Get over it, Adrienerik...
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
...you lose.

And thank you, Abrieu. Yes, as soon as the Asians in America lose their "Asian" cultural value, their academic performance likewise drops.

As time goes by, as the "Nippo-Brazilians" become less "Nippo", of course their (over) representation in USP will drop. They'll be less "Japanese" and more, well, more Brazilian. It's not that they'll cease to become less racist (as my fictitious Ford Foundation researcher may interpret things) but they cease to become so studious.

The Brazilians of stronger European descent will be more "European" in their culture and the Brazilians of stronger African descent will be more African in their culture. Both are Brazilians, but their cultural emphases will lean in differing directions. Thus, the Brazilian of more European descent will be more likely to subscribe to such musical and artistic cultural expressions as opera, for example, while a Brazilian of more African cultural influence will lean towards more African musical and artistic expressions.

Higher education as we know it today traces its history to Europe -- the liberal arts, the sciences, etc. Thus, those of more European descent will unsurprisingly tend to place more value on higher education as a natural expression of their culture and heritage than those of more African descent.

And the results will show. What exactly do groups like Afro-Reggae teach in terms of higher education? Nothing, as far as I'm aware. They're just a useless distraction (quite honestly, they focus on doing somersaults and stuff as an expression of their "pride" or whatever and politicians have to attend these waste-of-time, divide-and-conquer bobagems). In the United States it is common for African-Americans to mock their "bruvvas" pursue higher education as "acting white" (because in the fair land to the north, the abstract noun culture can be modified by an adjective of color). It's this besteira called the cool-pose culture and they suffer mightily for it, no doubt much to Adrien Erik's demented satisfaction.

And when these people, so proud of their "African culture" (whatever the hell that is) are less educated than their Brazilian compatriots -- then that acts to serve as undeniable proof of how racially discriminated against they are!

Heads they win, tails you lose.

You can't reason with these people (perhaps they deem reason to be a European invention and thus incompatible with their "African culture"). They're crazy. The best thing to do is just shoo them away.

So Adrian Erik ... shoo! Go on ... back to Philly you go. Shoo!
Admit it adrianerik ... you're a racial segregationist!
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
By the way...your so-called Nippo-Brazilian example is illustrative of your ignorance. Japanese are NOT an example of the Brazilian mixed society but a group who, up until recent times, only married 6% outside of their ethnicity. That figure has only begun to change in the last few decades.


God forbid that they should do what every group has done historically in Brazil and assimilate into the great melting pot that is the Brazilian people! (And a real melting pot, not the fake melting pot of the US.)

Japanese were not considered acceptable for the famous Whitening of Brazil.


Makes you wonder how they wound up Brazil, then, if they were considered unacceptable.

Besides, the so-called "whitening" policy obviously can't be taken seriously. What sort of white supremacists advocate for miscegenation?!

The foundation stone of white supremacy is that "whiteness is such an ineffable quality, so exquisitely undefiled and unblemished in its purity, that all it takes to sully its pristine and unspoilt beauty - is one drop of black blood."

Inextricably attached to the idea of white supremacy is the idea of purity, of retaining white purity. This is why the Americans invented the one-drop rule. So pure was whiteness, in other words, and so perfectly impure was black blood, that all it took to contaminate and destroy the virtue and integrity of precious whiteness -- was one drop of black blood. One drop of putrefying, poisonous, pestilent black blood.

That is white supremacy, adrienerik. And it is you and the Ford Foundation that are at pains to spread this racist idea, this racism, to Brazil!

Because you are racists -- you and your white supremacism. You're just a pathetic house n****r so eager to do his massa's bidding that you've become blind to the irony of your white-supremacy conditioning.

So the self-contradicting "white supremacy" practiced by the Brazilians in the past can better to be understood as an example of simply mouthing things para ingles ver, a doffing of the cap to the intellectual and scientific climate of the time, rather than anything Brazilians can be understood as having really taken seriously. After all, what sort of "white supremacy" advocates for miscegenation ("whitening") rather than segregation?!

Their success should be illustrative for the movimento negro em brasil. Faced with a racist white culture and the racist white myths that infuse Brazilian society, media, religion, etc the Japanese did what every group who has survived did over the centuries, they raised their children according to their own myths...instead of dissolving and dying in the myths of white supremacy.


Oh, I see: the Japanese should forever remain segregated rather than "dissolve" themselves into the general Brazilian miscegenated identity. You want Apartheid for Brazil! You are bringing to Brazil America's Jim Crow!

I'll let you continue to to show your true racist colors...

When succumbing to the white supremacist image-making machine such as exists in Brasil, and dying your hair and cutting your eyes to make them less "ugly" you automatically make yourself number 2. You can never equal that which you hold to be "god".


I routinely saw countless men and women spending countless hours on the beach darkening their skin. Whom do they hold to be "god"?

This is exactly what African-Americans did in the American south and north where their children...professional products of their universities (just as the Japanese schools in Brasil) developed successful cities (Eatontown, Roseville, Tucson, Philadelphia, etc) ran by their doctors, lawyers, newspapermen that were so envied by the underachieving whites that they went crazy and massacred thousands, a tribute to the racism that masked their own low self-estemm.


"Separate but equal", eh? I guess you'd have been against the Civil Rights Act, then. You're for countless Bantustans in Brazil, aren't you?!

And of course to a racial segregationist such as yourself (and the Ford Foundation), Brazil is the arch enemy. Here is a country that has built its identity for centuries on the antithesis of the racial-segregation paradigm. Miscegenation is anathema to racial segregationists, it is considered the cardinal sin.

And for the principle of racial segregation to enjoy success, its enemies must be vanquished. And the principal enemy of racial segregation is the Federative Republic of Brazil.
I'm a Gilberty Freyre man, myself...
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
A mestiçagem unifica os homens separados pelos mitos raciais. A mestiçagem reúne sociedades divididas pelas místicas raciais e grupos inimigos. A mestiçagem reorganiza nações comprometidas em sua unidade e em seus destinos democráticos pelas superstições sociais.

- Gilberto Freyre
oh no you didnt , brazuca...
written by asp, May 18, 2010
i really didnt want to post any more on this subject, costinha made a lot of sence in his post and i was ready to cease..

but, brazuca , your implication that opera or other european arts are some kind of higher level than the art of samba , or afro braailian dance (note that an expert like antonio nobrega totaly ackowledges this cultre and terms, so i dont pay anyone on here any attention about their denial of these terms), is ludicriss and betrays your own prejudice.

no disrespect to opera or ballet or symphanies, but, id rather see mangueira,passistas, elza soares , john coltrane , miles davis and billei holiday any day of the week

take your european arts are "higher leveal than cultura afro brasileira" (again, i pay attention to people like nobrega much more than you) and shove it
Misquoting me
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
Where did I say that opera was at a "higher level"?

This is what I said:

Thus, the Brazilian of more European descent will be more likely to subscribe to such musical and artistic cultural expressions as opera, for example, while a Brazilian of more African cultural influence will lean towards more African musical and artistic expressions.

Opera, Ballet?
written by Ederson, May 18, 2010
I don't understand opera or ballet or what makes white people excited about a symphony, either. All I know is that I can get all the culture I need from the local street festival. However, I have been dragged to the 3-above cultural experiences and noticed there were very few blacks there [like none], and that you had to be some kind of brainiac to understand what was happening. In addition, I never understood why white people cry during an opera or symphony!
Culture matters, Ederson
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
Ederson, I was alluding to how different culture influences will inspire different behavior.

If you have a culture that emphasizes education, won't people who are influenced by that culture do better in education than those who place less emphasis on education?

adrianerik above notes that after a few generations Asians in the United States do less well academically. Why is that? Because their culture has changed from one that places a higher emphasis on something like education (Asian culture) to one that places less emphasis on education (modern American popular culture).

In the United States there's a culture called cool-pose culture that has a tremendous, vice-like grip on young "African-Americans" men. According to this "culture", to pursue education is castigated as "acting white". Yes, that's right: education is seen as something belonging to whites and so someone "proud" of his "race" shows this "pride" by rejecting such things as education for something like gangsta rap and calling women "bitches" and "hos", which is apparently a reflection of his own "culture", of which he is manifestly proud and about which he is intent on "keepin' it real" (whatever the heck that means!). By the way, in the US, the abstract noun culture can be modified by an adjective of color, since most Americans seem to think that culture actually stems from biology, or race! Following is a passage from an article that discusses this destructive phenomenon in the US of cool-pose culture:

The historian Paul Fussell notes that for most Americans, it is difficult to "class sink." Try to imagine the Chinese American son of oncologists -- living in, say, a New York suburb such as Westchester, attending private school -- who feels subconsciously compelled to model his life, even if only superficially, on that of a Chinese mafioso dealing heroin on the Lower East Side. The cultural pressure for a middle-class Chinese American to walk, talk and act like a lower-class thug from Chinatown is nil. The same can be said of Jews, or of any other ethnic group.

But in black America the folly is so commonplace it fails to attract serious attention. Like neurotics obsessed with amputating their own healthy limbs, middle-class blacks concerned with "keeping it real" are engaging in gratuitously self-destructive and violently masochistic behavior.

Sociologists have a term for this pathological facet of black life. It's called "cool-pose culture." Whatever the nomenclature, "cool pose" or keeping it real or something else entirely, this peculiar aspect of the contemporary black experience -- the inverted-pyramid hierarchy of values stemming from the glorification of lower-class reality in the hip-hop era -- has quietly taken the place of white racism as the most formidable obstacle to success and equality in the black middle classes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/27/AR2007052700926.html


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Culture matters [continued...]
written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
Australia has amongst the highest rates of immigration per capita in the world, exceeded only by (I think) Israel. So here you have plenty of opportunity to see the practical results of different cultural influences.

My city of Melbourne has the largest number of Greeks after Athens. There is also a distinctly noticeable population of Chinese. And yet Chinese, while only constituting about 5% of the population, make up a whopping 60% of medicine students! Now, medicine is basically the hardest course to get into at university, and traditionally, together with law, the most prestigious. Why does 5% of the population produce 60% of medicine students? And why are Greeks under-represented at university while the Chinese are over-represented in some of the most prestigious courses? Are the Chinese discriminating against other Australians?

It's just a matter of cultural emphasis. Our most prestigious high schools are disproportionately Chinese and Indians nowadays. Melbourne High School, for example, is a government but selective, and amongst the most prestigious. It is disproportionately Chinese and Indian, if not overwhelmingly so. Nobody here believes it's for any other reason other than their respective cultures emphasize education more than the traditional Australian culture. But everybody also recognizes that as they assimilate, they will become more "Aussie" and thus less studious.

A culture that encourages a liberation of the passions will have different results to a culture that encourages restraint and self-control. And discrimination will have nothing to do with it, whether it exists or not. The most successful ethnic group in England is the Indians, and, having lived in England, I can tell you they're discriminated against. Another famously successful group is the (Ashkenazi) Jews, who in spite of historically facing much discrimination have nevertheless managed to succeed disproportionately. The Chinese minority in Malaysia that receives legal discrimination nevertheless carries the economy. In Kenya the Kikuyu tend to be more business-minded than the other tribes; in Brazil the cariocas tend to be more polite, easy-going and relaxed than the more workaholic and serious paulistas. It's just a matter of cultural emphasis, not that everybody is discriminating against everyone else because we see different results.

And take a simple personal example. I'm a Presbyterian. Does that affect my personal culture? It sure does! Because I'm a Presbyterian, I study systematic theology and know long theological words like soteriology, infralapsarianism and presuppositionalism; and am interested in complex philosophical ideas such as occasionalism, which examines causation. Were I an anti-intellectual pentecostal/charismatic, would I even possess in my lexicon any word over three syllables, let alone be prepared to examine and answer complex philosophical questions that ask whether created substances can be efficient causes events? Of course not. It should therefore come as no surprise that Christians of the Reformed/Presbyterian tradition tend to be better educated than those of the pentecostal/charismatic kind, because one culture emphasizes rigorous theology and therefore education while the other emphasizes subjective emotional experiences and is decidedly anti-intellectual.
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written by Ederson, May 18, 2010
Okay! I'm impressed! Not only have I never heard of those words, there's no chance I'll ever learn how to spell them!smilies/smiley.gif something tells me you must be the kind of person who enjoys [and understands] what is happening during an opera.
And I didn't mean to infer that I didn't appreciate the symphony. That was kind of interesting.
ASP and Joao enjoy crumpets and tea. Is that something most smart people enjoy? I'll try anything if it will make me smarter.
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written by asp, May 18, 2010
"Where did I say that opera was at a "higher level"?

"This is what I said:

Thus, the Brazilian of more European descent will be more likely to subscribe to such musical and artistic cultural expressions as opera, for example, while a Brazilian of more African cultural influence will lean towards more African musical and artistic expressions. "

ok , never mind , ive said what i have to say about this so im going to cease posting for now , based on some good advice from costinha , unless i have to come in for some clarifying
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 18, 2010

ASP and Joao enjoy crumpets and tea. Is that something most smart people enjoy? I'll try anything if it will make me smarter.


Why drag me into this issue? I am fully in favor of "Costinha Doctrine" regarding races. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by Brazuca, May 18, 2010
...something tells me you must be the kind of person who enjoys [and understands] what is happening during an opera.


Actually, I neither enjoy nor understand opera. I prefer almost all other musical art forms before opera, such as jazz, hip-hop (shorn of its destructiveness and anger), samba, rock 'n' roll, etc. Although about two or three years back I attended a Christmas event held by a family friend who's part of the Australian establishment and is involved in management of opera. Some opera singers performed in the back yard (or grounds) of his country house/mansion, and I must say, it sounded beautiful and powerful live. Though the bits I've seen on TV look excruciatingly boring. Having said that, I never used to enjoy Shakespeare but now I do, so who knows about opera and classical music in the future?

Is that something most smart people enjoy? I'll try anything if it will make me smarter.


I don't believe in intelligence. We're all ignorant -- just on a different set of subjects.

And as to asp, well when your position is reduced to its absurdity, it's not exactly going to be possible to recover, is it?
watch it brazuca
written by asp, May 19, 2010
i kicked your ass with my examples,you cant say s**t about them, dont f**k around with cathys clown
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written by asp, May 19, 2010
how quickly you f**king forget that antonio nobrega, a real cultural expert defines very well and uses the word "cultura afro brasileiro", and you can beleive he didnt get it from the ford foundation . as well as the blatent actual visual reality of the youtubes i brought in that only a cultural idiot couldnt perceive

and how quickly you f**king forget you couldnt say s**t the 2 times i have brought in direct news reports of neo nazis in two differant locations in brazil , attacking black people

you better count your blessings im deciding to not comment about this for now in an attemtp to follow the "costinha doctrin "

i only admitted that i misinterpreded one thing you said, dont get stupid now and think you won some kind of argument...because you havent
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written by fried CHC, May 20, 2010




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RULE 4. Thou shalt not read thy Hemmings on company time, lest thy employer make it impossible to continue thy car payments.

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RULE 6. Thou shalt not allow thy daughters nor thy sons to get married during the holy days of Hershey.

RULE 7. Thou shalt not deceive thy wife into thinking that thee is taking her for a romantic Sunday drive when, indeed, thou art going out to look at another car.

RULE 8. Thou shalt not tell thy spouse the entire cost of thy latest restoration, at least not all at the same time.

RULE 9. Thou shalt not promise thy wife a new addition to the house and then use it to store cars; thou shalt not store cars in the attic.

RULE 10. Thou shalt not buy thy wife a floor jack for Christmas!

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written by Nicholas (usa_male), May 21, 2010
"Australia has amongst the highest rates of immigration per capita in the world, exceeded only by (I think) Israel"

Wrong you idiot (Brazuca).If you so Aussie, why do you use that name? Th United Emirates is number one of with the highest immigration rate in percentage, and your silly island doesn't even match with immigration to the United States nor even with la Canada. About Population growth, even Brazil beats your Island since you think you're Aussie now. To make us believe that the Aussies from Europe (mainly Irish and English) see the Chinese and Indians as aussies, is just bogus, has been proven many times.Anyway Brazilians, remember this, Ford Foundation is a fascist club and guess what, who was one of the founders and Members of the Ford Foundation..Tim Geithner's father..
Nicholas (usa_male)
written by fried CHC, May 22, 2010


May a ROO kick your bollocks for the next 1000 years!

Costinha
Ford foundation
written by Fergie, June 02, 2010
In the war of the Triple alliance, General Lopes tried to take over Brazil, the blacks were sent to the front line by their white slave master and many of them died fighting for Brazil. The blacks were told that they would be given land but, after the war the government gave the land to Europeans to come to Brazil. I spoke to a Brazilian friend of mine and he told me that he never heard of this because this was never taught in school in Brazil. The dictators took over Brazil and ruled that country for the white elite for over a hundred years. The blacks got nothing as far as land or education from the government. I say to those people that don't know Brazilian history should go read about this war that almost destroyed this country and the role the blacks played in this war.
Ironic
written by Brazuca, June 03, 2010
According to the logic of the one-drop rule, General Lopes would have been "black" himself. The "white elite" would itself -- according to the one-drop rule -- be "black".

Ninety percent of Brazil's population (according to the American understanding of who is "black" and who is "white") is "black"; because 90% of the Brazilian population is afrodescendente. Therefore, Brazil's elite is "black" -- its military elite, its judicial elite, its sporting elite, its literary elite, its everything elite!

So what you appear to be talking about, Fergie, is "black"-on-"black" violence, oppression, etc. Which means you might as well talk only of class differences as being the dividing line between Brazilians, since rich and poor alike are all equally (according to the one-drop rule) "black". So stop being redundant already.
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written by Fergie, June 03, 2010
However, the blacks in Brazil were never given any help by the government after slavery was abolished in that country. In the US private groups and the churches setup programs to help the blacks after slavery was abolished. In Brazil this never happen so there were never a large educated class of blacks that went out to fight for the other blacks. The blacks in Brazil just open it first black university and in the US, we are a hundred years ahead of Brazil. The reason why there were no programs for black development is because the dictators that ruled Brazil didn't allowed programs to help blacks to be setup. Now, Brazil is trying to play catch up by setting up programs to help the blacks and poor to move up the ladder. It was mass education in the first world countries that made them highly productive and Brazil has to do the same. As one see more blacks development in Brazil there will be demands for their share of the pie and this is where the conflict will start. This is not only true for Brazil but, all over Latin American where the non Whites have been treated with second class citizenship.
Fergie
written by A Brazilian, June 03, 2010
You make no sense. Have you read what Brazuca posted?

The "black" movement in the US has nothing to do with improvement of conditions, but it just a system of control to sustain the One Drop Rule and keep the non-racially-pure ones in their place.

Speaking of education, have you ever heard of Scientific Racism and its correlation to the current racial politics in the US?
Fergie...listen very carefully
written by Brazuca, June 04, 2010
Brazil's elite is already "black". It has always been "black", except for perhaps in the first century of Portuguese settlement.

Brazil's miscegenation has been such that for the last few hundred years its elite has been "black".

I'm using here your very own American logic, and it's tying you up in a bind. If one drop of "black" blood makes you "black", then "blacks" in Brazil have been represented in the highest positions amongst the elite for centuries. And not only that. "Blacks" have constituted the majority of the elite in Brazil for the last few centuries.

THEREFORE, BRAZIL IS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AHEAD OF THE UNITED STATES.
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written by maurice, June 27, 2010
FedEx DENIES employees time off to attend their FATHERS' funeral.

See how FedEx treats their employees.
Go to YouTube, search word: FedEx Inhumane Treatment.
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written by Francis Costa, February 03, 2012
I am flabbergasted about this "article", well... "writings". Should I say scribbles? Perhaps rant defines it better. A diatribe.

The statement that the "alleged" Apartheid regime in South Africa and the American law prohibiting inter-race marriage, both of which were institutional, pale in comparison to Brazilian racism can be precisely and unequivocally described as a nefarious canard.

The rest of the article is so distorted that it is on the verge of hallucination.


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