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Siding with Iran Brazil Affirms That Country's Right to Enrich Uranium Under UN's NPT PDF Print E-mail
2010 - May 2010
Written by Andrea Glioti   
Wednesday, 19 May 2010 17:30

Lula meets Ahmadinejad in Tehran At a meeting in Tehran on Monday, Turkey and Brazil reached an agreement with Iran to ship 1.2 tons of Iranian low-enriched uranium to Turkey, in exchange for 120 kg of highly-enriched nuclear fuel bars for the Islamic Republic's scientific programs. The swap would be monitored by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and, likewise, Tehran would be entitled to send inspectors to oversee the exchange.

Since Turkey does not possess the technology to enrich uranium, it would function as a conduit for the Vienna Group (US, Russia France and the IAEA) to deliver highly-enriched fuel to Iran. According to the deal, Tehran would then proceed to utilize the fuel rods in its medical research reactor. Consequently, a further agreement between Iran and the Vienna Group is necessary to validate the agreement signed on Monday by the three countries.

Despite Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's initial reserve regarding the agreement, Turkey is tempted by the prestige of playing such a central role in the negotiations, and the potential to avoid being called to vote for sanctions against Iran.

Erdogan and the Brazilian president, Lula Inácio da Silva, are in fact convinced that the agreement will prevent the imposition of further sanctions on Iran. The Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, called once again on Germany and the five veto-powers in the UN to re-engage in diplomatic talks.

The US have welcomed the deal as a 'positive step' but the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, complained that Tehran has expressed its intention to continue enrichment to 20 percent, in opposition to UN Security Council resolutions.

According to US analysts, the new agreement would not prevent Tehran from transforming the remaining low-enriched uranium into weapons-grade fuel, provided that the Islamic Republic acquires the technological capability to do this. David Albright, a former UN nuclear weapon inspector, described Turkey, Brazil and Iran as 'a subgroup of nations weighing in and saying the enrichment program is not subject to further negotiations'.

Europe echoed American concerns: Maja Kocijancic, the EU spokeswoman, underlined the persistent doubts of the peaceful character of the Iranian program, while Britain's parliamentary undersecretary of state, Alistair Burt, insisted on the need to elaborate a package of new sanctions. From a technical point of view, John Large, an independent nuclear consultant, noted that Turkey, lacking in enrichment and storage facilities, cannot provide sufficient guarantees for the safety of the exchange.

Meanwhile, at a campus north of Tel Aviv on Sunday, a wargame hypothesizing responses to a nuclear-armed Iran saw the involvement of numerous generals and diplomats. This was only the latest episode in a series of strategic simulations in Israel and the US during the last month regarding the Iranian military threat.

The majority of the participants concluded that an Iranian nuke would reduce Israeli military autonomy but some imagined the successful containment of Tehran in these feared circumstances. Iran's shipment of radioactive material to Hezbollah in order to build a crude device formed one scenario.

The head of the centrist Kadima, Tzipi Livni, pointed out that 'as leader of the free world, the United State has the responsibility of leading more effective sanctions that can turn around, absolutely, this shift from a process of stopping (Iran nuclear aims) to a process of acceptance'.

The OpenSecurity verdict: The recent agreement signed by Turkey, Brazil and Iran is crucial for two main reasons. For the first time, Tehran decided to meet IAEA requirements and exchange low-enriched uranium for highly enriched nuclear fuel outside of Iranian borders.

Secondly, this kind of nuclear deal is potentially destabilizing for the world order preserved by the UN Security Council. Both Turkey and Brazil have chosen to disregard the UN resolutions calling on Iran to halt its uranium enrichment program until it has proven its peaceful purposes.

On the contrary, these two states have affirmed the right to enrichment for civil purposes, guaranteed under the article 4 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which Iran is a signatory. Such a position is in line with the reservations expressed by other regional powers, including Egypt, Indonesia and South Africa, whose concerns for the example set by the constraints imposed on fuel development are greater than the security threat allegedly embodied by Iran.

Last month, the head of the 118-nation Non-Aligned Movement and Egypt's UN ambassador, Maged Abdelaziz, stressed the importance of the need to 'preserve the right of non-nuclear powers to the peaceful use of nuclear energy, and not to allow a fuel bank or any kind of supply arrangement that is going to decide on behalf of the countries concerned what are their developmental needs'. Two of the veto-powers, Russia and China, have expressed their preference for negotiated solutions in the solution of the Iranian issue.

Although it would be myopic to talk about a staunch non-aligned movement at this stage, this widespread disapproval of sanctions has influenced the cautious reply of the US officials, who refrained from criticizing Brazil and Turkey. This is a clear signpost of change from the Bush administration which, for instance, initially sought to punish those EU allies opposing the war in Iraq.

There seemed to be a clear divide between the US secretary of state, Hilary Clinton, who telephoned the Turkish foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, to discourage the nuclear deal, while president Obama was reported by Turkish sources to moderately support Erdogan's initiative. Therefore, the Turkish-Brazilian non-aligned front appeared able at least to exploit the US cabinet internal fractions to address the Iranian issue on a peaceful track.

Moreover, the signatories of the agreement are not simply a 'subgroup of nations'; contrary to the words of David Albright, they are two large countries, sharing a militarist past and experiencing the present growth of democracy. Both Turkey and Brazil are regional powers, aiming at a larger share of influence in international politics, likely to be gained only through joint efforts.

In addition to this, Turkey and Brazil have been regional allies of the US in the Cold War and they are now sitting among the ten non-permanent members of the UN Security Council. All these factors permit Lula and Erdogan to enjoy a greater leverage on US interests than a mere 'subgroup of nations'.

This article appeared originally in OpenDemocracy.



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Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 19, 2010

It is an interesting and informative article and I am sure you would have perused it with your customary thoroughness.

But...but...but.. I must confess I really didn't understand what Brasil gets out of it.1)Are we going to set up an uranium enrichment plant in Turkey in order to supply the end product to Iran? 2) Why did the Turks enter into the picture at the last moment, while our President Mr.Lula was there. Anything to do with their attempts to get into the E.U? 3) Where do our "friends", the French stand in this new scenario? 4) Why is that lady Tzpsy crying wolf?

Unfortunately our distinguished and erudite friend Lloyd Cata seems to have gone to work on his secret project and hence cant clarify my doubts. But...but..., I am sure that, you being equally erudite but more distinguished, will certainly be able to enlighten an ignorant peasant like me.
Yes, Well
written by Luigi Vercotti, May 19, 2010
2) Why did the Turks enter into the picture at the last moment, while our President Mr.Lula was there. Anything to do with their attempts to get into the E.U?

If that was the Turks' intent, it would certainly have the opposite effect on all the countries who give a nod to entry to the EU, unless Lula now makes that decision as well.

What does Brasil get out of it, apart from that ape Lula pretending Brasil is a serious world power? Brasil gets trade with Iran.

Brasil setting up an enrichment plant in Turkey? Laughable. If that were the case, the world wouldn't have to worry about an Iranian bomb for decades.

No, Lula helped Iran get a little closer to a bomb, so he can sell the rice, and helped Israel get a little closer to fueling up the jets and missiles and leveling the Iranian nuke plants.

F-ing Brilliant. Brazil in world politics. How embarassing.
It's time for a final showdown between Iran and the United States.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 20, 2010

On May 19, 2010 my account at the Elite Trader Forum it was blocked after I posted information about Brazil’s agreement with Iran and how Brazil’s vote at the UN against sanctions on Iran represents the vote of the emerging markets and of most countries around the world – the blocking of my account shows that the United States must be really in panic about what’s going on including: The decline of US influence, and prestige in world affairs as never seen before.

If “censorship” is the only tool that is left for American mainstream media to fight against the reality of US collapsing influence, and prestige in world affairs – All I can say: "this is a very sad state of affairs for the United States, and it confirms that the US is on a race to the bottom."

As the agreement reached in Tehran shows to the world: The decline of US influence, and prestige in world affairs has reached a new level with countries such as Brazil leading the world in a new direction in the 21st century.

When I saw the cover story of the Financial Times (UK) of May 19, 2010 saying: “Iran faces fresh sanctions” I was not surprised.

What is surprising to me is that any country that has any international credibility left still would go along with the United States on this Iran sanctions fiasco.

Anyway, the United States bullying against Iran is becoming more like a joke than anything else.

It’s time for the US foreign policy adapt to the new realities of the 21st century and stop harassing Iran – The United States has been meddling on Iran’s internal affairs for decades - a real problem for Iranians that has been going on since 1953.

In a Nutshell: Today if a country is supporting the sanctions against Iran – what that country is really supporting is foreign meddling in the internal affairs of another country, and nothing else.

We had been discussing that issue at the Elite Trader Forum for the last 5 years. Since many of the points that I brought up over the years turned out to be right, then the only tool left for this people was “censorship” and they blocked my account.

So much for free speech and free press here in the United States.

But I am really surprised that China, and Russia at this stage of the game it would still go along and support the United States on this Iran sanctions fiasco.

Based on today’s news articles on this subject it seems that the United States would not accept anything short than start a war against Iran in the same way the US did in the Iraq case.

If I were the Iranians I would place all my efforts and concentrate on strategies to close and block the shipping lanes in the Strait of Hormuz for a few months – that really would grab the attention of the global community, and that also could create a real economic and financial crisis to the major countries of the world including the United States.

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why the United States still playing this Israeli game at the expense of the self-interest of the United States?
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 20, 2010

Luigi Vercotti: No, Lula helped Iran get a little closer to a bomb, …and helped Israel get a little closer to fueling up the jets and missiles and leveling the Iranian nuke plants.


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Ricardo: Please don’t make me laugh. Israel is not going to attack Iran – at this point only fools believe on that Fairy Tale.

I am tired of hearing all these years about these Israelis empty threats – they don’t scare even little kids anymore – It’s just the same old Blah, Blah, Blah that we have been hearing for many years.

We have been discussing this US/Israel problem against Iran for at least the last 5 years at the Elite Trader Economics Forum – It has turned into nothing more than a joke and wishful thinking of Israeli supporters.

I have no idea why the United States still playing this Israeli game at the expense of the long-term self-interest of the United States?
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It's time to test if Iran is capable of shutting down the Strait of Hormuz for a few weeks
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 20, 2010

The above article said: “Meanwhile, at a campus north of Tel Aviv on Sunday, a wargame hypothesizing responses to a nuclear-armed Iran saw the involvement of numerous generals and diplomats. This was only the latest episode in a series of strategic simulations in Israel and the US during the last month regarding the Iranian military threat.”

The Financial Times of May 19, 2010 had a frontpage headline saying: “Iran faces fresh sanctions.” Basically the article describes a situation in which the latest US-drafted resolution could amount to an ultimatum to Iran to act before then. It seems to me that they are going to try to smash Iran in every way possible.

The truth is Iran is being set up for the final kill just like the US did set up Iraq many years ago.

Americans are dying to find out - Instead of keep talking let’s go ahead and finally test if Iran is capable of shutting down the Strait of Hormuz for a few weeks.

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Ricardo Amaral
written by João da Silva, May 20, 2010

But I am really surprised that China, and Russia at this stage of the game it would still go along and support the United States on this Iran sanctions fiasco.


Well, I am not surprised. They along with the French and the Germans get to share the spoils! I wonder what the stance of the new "conservative" government of the U.K.

Talking about censorship, there is another way of keeping the peasants ignorant.It is called "news blackout" and is widely practiced in Brasil.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Joao
written by Ederson, May 20, 2010
I'm really wary about making any comments concerning Iran, except to say that this isn't Brazil's fight, and I wish we'd stay far, far away from this one. Brazil certainly lacks the foreign affairs experience to deal with this, but who knows. In addition, at a time when Brazil's star is rising within the international community, there is little to benefit from associating with a group of thugs, especially when Brazil has so many problems of its own. As an example, in many nations around the world, Brazil is dipicted as a place rampant with corruption, racial oppression, drug lords, child abuse, and where people run about nearly naked during holidays and urinate in the streets.
The United States, a Threat To World Peace!
written by fried CHC, May 20, 2010


As usual, the US first demonizes a country they don’t like, then slaps an embargo, and last but not least, invades that country and then, occupies it with their faggot marines.

American Foreign Policy, What An Embarrassment To World Peace!

Costinha

PS Hey Luigi Vercotti… Here is your piece: A$$HOLE O MIO, Cachi il cazzo!
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 20, 2010


I'm really wary about making any comments concerning Iran, except to say that this isn't Brazil's fight, and I wish we'd stay far, far away from this one.


In one of his comments sometime ago (while Mr.Lula was visiting Israel), our friend Ricardo Amaral said that one of the stupidest things Mr.Lula did was to get involved in the affairs in the Middle East. I defended Lula´s action saying that it was not, but to cancel his planned visit to Iran because of the International pressure would be stupid. Well, Mr.Lula went ahead and visited Tehran and brought his "peace keeping" efforts to a closure (?). My policy is just that one has to finish what he started.

You are right. Now that the entire novela is over, it is time for Mr.Lula to remain at home and oversee the electoral process that would choose his successor. I do not think that we have much clout in that part of the world to bring about an "ever lasting" peace.smilies/cheesy.gif
Joao
written by Ederson, May 20, 2010
Again, speaking from the viewpoint of a lesser peasant, I tend to disagree with the more scholarly bloggers on this site in a number of ways. For instance, while many champion Brasil's nonalignment, I believe such a policy is impossible and clumsy at best and disastrous at worse, especially if you are a nation claiming some sort of ascendancy within the community of nations. In other words, you are, or you aren't, and at the moment, with Brasil's movement toward military cooperation with Israel, at least as a customer and joint investor in business ownership, I don't understand our "nonalignment" or "strategic" leaning in the international community.
Besides, is it just me, but doesn't Brasil have enough problems? Isn't anyone embarrassed that Brasil's borders have been declared open to armies of international drug dealers?
Either way, Iran and Israel will figure out their differences, and in the long run, Brasil's "new" and mighty international influence probably won't make much of a difference. sorry, Joao, I've stepped back onto my soap box again!smilies/cheesy.gif
Why Brazil is meddling with Iran? What does it gain?
written by Daniel Romero, May 20, 2010
It's amazing how everybody forgets the facts: Brazil have nuclear power plants and ENRICH uranium. It's just like everybody forgot what happened years ago:
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/...tion.html
USA once bullied Brazil to spy our enrichment facilities, why can't they do it again in the future? It's Brazil's interest to secure it's right to nuclear power for pacific ends, just like Iran supposedly do. This is why Lula is against sanctions. And so far no proof of Iran bomb plans, only retoric, much like in pre Afgan and Iraq war.
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written by Daniel Romero, May 20, 2010
Sorry, the link got corrupted.
http://tinyurl.com/384zgcb
Ederson:
written by fried CHC, May 20, 2010


Besides, is it just me, but doesn't United States have enough problems? Such as high unemployment, crashing economy, 2 wars, hated everywhere, etc!

Isn't anyone embarrassed that American borders have been declared open to armies of international drug dealers? Such as the US exporting heavy arms to Mexican drug dealers with some 23 thousand dead Mexican people so far. Or is it enough to have Gestapo Laws in Arizona to keep non-whites out!

Either way, Iran and US will figure out their similar goal of supremacy, and in the long run, Brasil's "new" and mighty international influence probably will make a whole lot of difference. Sorry, Joao, I've stepped back onto my Pandora's Box of stupidity again!

Costinha

PS: My motto is “Escreveu Não Leu… O Pau Comeu”
Costinha.
written by Ederson, May 20, 2010
Don't misunderstand. Just because I'd rather avoid Iran doesn't mean I support anybody else. I just worry that someday if Brasil has to jump from the frying pan that it doesn't land in the fire.
I understand that you're really worried about the United States, a lot of people are. I'm not. I could care less about the States and don't even know where Mexico is. I'm more concerned about Brasil.smilies/wink.gif
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written by Matthew Richardson, May 21, 2010
My take on this situation is that Brazil has billions of Petrobras dollars invested in Iran. It does not want to lose out on this market, despite the horrendous human rights record of this regime as well as its war mongering posture. So Lula went out of his way to try to find another solution. Lula looks less like a Gandhi or Desmond Tutu, trying to negotiate a solution, but simply trying to preserve Brazil's investments. Rather than finding a solution that truly would neutralize the threat of nuclear war in the middle east or elsewhere, Lula seems to have the effect of possibly dividing or watering down the initiative to firmly limit the dangers of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons.
Lula is trying to take big steps on the world stage, but I would have been more impressed if he took some of his more positive initiatives for the poor (bolsa de fammila, Zero Hunger, etc) and showcased them on the world stage. I would be much more impressed and interested in this. This is an area where Brazil may have something to teach the world.
By continuing to align with this regime, I believe Lula has only tarnished the image of Brazil wit this alliance. This regime continues to sentence people to death by hanging for merely participating in non-violent street protests. Currently, one of their famous film makers is on a hunger strike as he has been jailed for supposedly making a film against the regime. Is this really the kind of regime Brazilians want to support????? Check out the story below:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/detained-iranian-director-gets-bail-hearing/
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written by Matthew Richardson, May 21, 2010
Ricardo, you talk about supposedly being censored on some blog by the "American media". Yet here at Brazzil Magazine, you acknowledged that the editor changed the original title of your story about Brazil's ethanol production to "the US has a lot to learn from Brazil". Nothing would surprised me in terms of censorship in many forms throughout the world. Witness the recent banning of Noam Chomsky from speaking in Israel. And yes, I generally agree with you that the US is wrong to the extent that it continues with a lopsided support for Israel, without working hard to find a lasting peace and justice for the Palestinians. Yet my point, is that there is even subtle forms of censorship operating at this blog in terms of editorial decisions. Not an entirely free press either it seems.
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written by João da Silva, May 21, 2010

Sorry, Joao, I've stepped back onto my Pandora's Box of stupidity again!


Sorry, Costinha, that Pandora´s box of "stupidity" belongs to peasants like me. You cant take away the only property we still own.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheers
Clues
written by Simpleton, May 21, 2010
Mssr Mathew Richardson, please don't take the editor's attempt at tabloid trashing up of Ricardo's article title as a form of censorship, especially not one of anyone in our beloved Brasil's making. The site is based in California and our esteemed master baiter Joao and fomenter of considerate re-contemplation of people's posts is the moderator. Any problems or concerns regarding the operation of this site can be filed to his attention.
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written by Matthew Richardson, May 21, 2010
Simpleton: This blog is based in California? Please, can you refer me to the site or source of this information? Are you saying Joao da Silva is the moderator or editor of the blog?
Joao da Silva is in California?
written by Ederson, May 21, 2010
All this time I believed Joao was a common Brazilian peasant, cutting his daily allotment of sugarcane, struggling to feed his eight children, and dreaming of moving to Sao Paulo! And now you tell me he is a rich electronic publisher living in California, driving a Porsche, and fomenting strife among us peasants? I have enough stress!smilies/wink.gif
Israel is getting ready to attack Iran at any time - Funny: Ha, Ha, Ha........
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 22, 2010

Matthew Richardson: Ricardo, you talk about supposedly being censored on some blog by the "American media". Yet here at Brazzil Magazine, you acknowledged that the editor changed the original title of your story about Brazil's ethanol production to "the US has a lot to learn from Brazil". Nothing would surprised me in terms of censorship in many forms throughout the world.


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Ricardo: Rodney Mello the editor in chief of Brazzil magazine never changed a word of my 40 articles published by Brazzil magazine over the years. Combined these articles would be over 350 pages of material, or enough material to turn it into a book.

What I mentioned on the comments section of some of these articles: was that the editor of Brazzil magazine changed the title of many of the articles as I had submitted for publication.

When I asked him why he had changed the title of my article he told me that he had a better feeling what kind of title would grab the attention of the readers.

And in many occasions he came up with a better title than I had submitted for publication, and caught the attention of the readers.

Regarding my last article I had submitted the article for publication with the following title:

Brazil the New Economic Miracle of the 21st century

He added to the title: “The US Has a Lot to Learn!”

And the article was published with the following title:

Brazil and the New Economic Miracle. The US Has a Lot to Learn!

The new title changed the dynamic and the direction of the comments following that article.

It seems to me that some people took offense that Brazil had something to teach the United States.

The title that I submitted for publication probably would not have created as much comments and controversy.

By the way, what the editor of Brazzil magazine does to my articles when he changes the title of these articles has nothing to do with “CENSORSHIP”.

Elite Trader is using “CENSORSHIP” to keep out of their economic and political forums – I have been right over and over again over the years and that has pissed a lot of people on that forum.

I have been right about the direction of the price of the euro vs. US dollar, the price of gold, the real estate bubble, and I even told then about the coming stock market and derivatives meltdown in the summer of 2008 – I told them in February of 2005.

Regarding politics I wrote on my articles that it was impossible for Saddam Hussein to have the WMD that the United States were accusing him of having, and gave the reason why. I did that before the United States attacked Iraq in 2003.

We had a thread on the Elite Trader about Iran development of nuclear weapons that has been going on for the last 5 years. That subject has become a joke at the ET forum: The Iranian nuclear weapons it has been around the corner for the last 5 years (it is always 6 months in the future, but that future never materializes). What it is amazing to me is that there are some grown ups that still believe on that Fairy Tale.

Anyway, who cares if Iran finally achieves its goal of building nuclear weapons?

In the old days when Israel had balls, and a supposed first rate army they did not announce anything – and people found out only after they had complete their mission.

But that was the old good days from a time long gone. For many years now Israel is all barking and nothing else. In Brazil we have a saying: “a dog that barks, don’t bite.”

Israel has been getting ready to attack Iran for the last 5 years – sure…………and in another 5 years we probably still would be saying in the mainstream media that Israel is getting ready to attack Iran at any time.

Today when the mainstream media plays that same old tune: “Israel is getting ready to attack Iran at any time” – I am not sure if that is supposed to be a sad old song or it is a laughing matter.


Here are some actual examples about Israel from an era long gone:

1) Israeli attack on Entebbe, Uganda in July 4, 1976

It's 34 years since Israel's audacious raid on the old Entebbe Airport in Entebbe, Uganda.

When Israeli commandos attacked that airport in July1976 to rescue Jewish hostages taken during a skyjacking – the Entebbe attack gave the Mossad and the Israeli army the respect that they had until a few years ago.

The Israeli army lost most of that global respect during the conflict against Lebanon during the Israel/Lebanon war of 2006 when Hezbollah kicked the ass of the Israeli army for the entire world to see it on CNN News, and the BBC.


2) Israeli Air Raid on the Osirak Nuclear Reactor in Iraq

In June 1981, Menachem Begin, then Prime Minister of Israel authorized the Israeli warplanes to struck the Iraqi Tammuz nuclear reactor at Al-Tuweitha, the 40 megawatt light-water French-built Osirak-type nuclear reactor turning out plutonium.

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Regarding the Middle East
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 22, 2010

Joao da Silva: In one of his comments sometime ago (while Mr.Lula was visiting Israel), our friend Ricardo Amaral said that one of the stupidest things Mr.Lula did was to get involved in the affairs in the Middle East.


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Ricardo: In that case that you mentioned Lula was getting involved in the problem between Israel and the Palestinians.

I still believe Brazil should stay away from that problem, because nobody has a real solution for that problem - and that problem would go on in the future as far as the eye can see it.

But I have written many articles over the years about Brazil getting closer with the oil producing countries of the Middle East including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, and Iran – and make a partnership with these countries to develop as many business deals as possible to help the Brazilian economy.

As far as I understand as have been reported on the mainstream media one of the major goals of president Lula on this trip to Iran it was to develop business opportunities for both countries – there were over 300 Brazilian entrepreneurs tagging along with president Lula to this trip to Iran to open the door for Brazilian companies to do business with Iranian companies.

Lula was 100 percent right in doing this trip to Iran, and supporting the Iranian leader, and at the same time helping to open another door in global markets for Brazilian companies to sell their goods.

In the coming years we are going to have a global economic shrinking pie, and Brazil should get special preferential business in Iran, since Brazil is supporting Iran during this tough time.

Congratulations to president Lula for having the balls and the foresight regarding this endeavor.

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written by Ederson, May 22, 2010
As long as it's business, it's wonderful that Lula supports the Iranian thugs. Thanks Ricardo, I know it's only business, and ethics and morality should never interfer, especially in anything associated with Brazil. The Nazis proved that when they patented designs for gas chambers to be used against the oppressed in Europe, but, then, again, it was only business. And like the Nazis, haven't the Iranians openly forecast death and destruction toward another sector of the world's society? Hey, strangely enough, wasn't that the Jews back then, too?
Thugs and oppressors of their own people need friends around the world, and I'm glad Brazil steps up to the forefront for such dictators. However, as long as it's only business, that's okay.
And you're right, the Israeli army is nobody to take seriously; what have they done to prove their combat effectiveness, other than take Israel away from the Arabs, defeat the British, take the Sinai in '56, take on the entire Arab world in '67, survive the ambush of Yom Kippur, whip the Russians in the air one on one, destroy the Syrians in the Baca Valley, take out the Iraqi reactor, save the Jordanian king during the Black September Revolt of 1970, kick the PLO entirely out of Lebanon, and flatten Lebanon how many times after each Iranian Hezbollah victory.
Guess what, Ricardo! Despite the Israeli Defense Force being a complete group of idiots with no respect from the rest of the world, those loonies are still there! How can that be, especially after you have determined that they are a dog that barks but don't bite.
I can only imagine that you have no idea where South Africa fits into your Israeli military opinion either, probably because your grasp of certain history may be a bit below that of several of your readers. Do you want me to stop there or continue pointing out that your grasp of the IDF is a little shortsighted and shy of the facts.
However, in case you are correct, I will check my sources in the morning to see if Israel is still there and if Brazil is up to its belly button in military dealings with the Israelis.
Ricardo, you may be correct, maybe the Israelis are washed up as a nation and the IDF is a paper tiger. Forgive me if history proves you right and my belief that the IDF is not quite out of the picture is wrong. It hardly matters, for when you ride your white horse across the palm leaves on your patriotic trek into Brasilia and bare your chest while screaming, "Give me a dictatorship or give me death!" I'll be there in deep admiration of your courage, if not for your total comprehension of Israeli history.
Good ones
written by Simpleton, May 22, 2010
Good come backs Matt, Eddie, fantastic writing skills you both have. Reading comprehension may be a bit musty on your part though Matt, I never came close to suggesting Joao was any kind of editor but you can still file any complaints with him that you care to file. It will have about as much effect as filing them with the editor. And Eddie, you know darn well what neck of the woods Joao comes from. He's not about to move north to that up and coming sh_t pile (SP). And eight kids? Whoa, even as successful a peasant that he is and could very well support those eight kids I seriously doubt he'd be that irresponsible. And as to cane cutting, his better half is making him lay off on that a bit - too much raw sugar in ones cachaca accelerates the potential for adult onset diabetes - besides, she thinks once a week is enough with the energetic thing if he must.
The Israelis learned nothing from their past history, and today they are the major oppressors.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 23, 2010

Ederson: The Nazis proved that when they patented designs for gas chambers to be used against the oppressed in Europe, but, then, again, it was only business. And like the Nazis, haven't the Iranians openly forecast death and destruction toward another sector of the world's society? Hey, strangely enough, wasn't that the Jews back then, too?


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Ricardo: There’s no bigger oppressor in the Middle East today than Israel. Unless what they have been doing to the Palestinians does not count on your point of view.

CNN News, and the BBC have been showing on the news and I have been watching for years the oppression of the Palestinians on the hands of Israel.

The Israelis learned nothing from their past history, and today they are the major oppressors of the Palestinian people.


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Ederson: Guess what, Ricardo! Despite the Israeli Defense Force being a complete group of idiots with no respect from the rest of the world, those loonies are still there!

How can that be, especially after you have determined that they are a dog that barks but don't bite.


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Ricardo: The Israelis used to be a respected army, and some people even thought they might be the best in the world – until the fiasco in Lebanon did show to the world how much the Israeli army has declined on their quality and efficiency.

Today they are just another army and nothing special to write home about it.

Americans are tired of supporting Israel and the American people are waking up that this support for Israel goes against the long-term self-interest of the United States on that area of the world.

Without this massive support from the United States year after year the decline of the Israeli army would go south even faster. Forget about the glory years of yesterday, since that is in the past – it’s history…

Today the Israeli army is more like a dog that barks, but doesn’t bite; like a toothless dog.


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Ederson: Ricardo, you may be correct, maybe the Israelis are washed up as a nation…


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Ricardo: If you define Israel as being just as a military operation and nothing else then the world should be glad that Israel is on its way down.

But in my opinion, Israel is a lot more than that – it is a country that can have a very prosperous economy in the coming years with and industrial base in state-of-the-art new technologies.

I much prefer to think of Israel as a country that creates new technologies of the future, than a country that just keeps harassing its neighbors and keeps that area of the world in a constant state of war.

I was reading a report that just came out about the new generation of Jews in the United States and how they are also disconnecting completely from Israel. It was a very interesting article, and I was surprised to find out that even the new young Jewish American kids are sick and tired of Israel’s constant state of war mindset, and always creating an atmosphere of no chance of peace in sight for the Middle East.

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It is all about fighting for business in a global shrinking pie
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 23, 2010

The above article said: “Since Turkey does not possess the technology to enrich uranium, it would function as a conduit for the Vienna Group (US, Russia France and the IAEA) to deliver highly-enriched fuel to Iran.”


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Ricardo: I believe the United States, Russia, and France did not go along with the latest agreement between Brazil and Iran – it is because after Iran ship the 1.2 tons of Iranian low-enriched uranium to Turkey that uranium would be reprocessed in Brazil and returned to Iran.

This is a very high margin and profitable business and the United States, Russia, and France are not happy that they have been outsmarted by Brazil, when they were cut out of this very profitable business in favor of Brazil.

From the point of view of Iran it makes more sense to trust Brazil on this deal than to trust the United States, Russia, and France because of their past experiences in dealing with these other countries.

At the end of the day it is all about fighting for business in a global shrinking pie.

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Cut out the rhetoric, Ricardo!
written by Ederson, May 23, 2010
Hey Ricky! Nothing I said was in defense of Israel, so loosen your suspenders and relax. My comments concerned your biased and twisted view of history when it comes to the IDF and Israel's military history. Israel, and the IDF, doesn't need me to defend it; any idiot can see that a tiny country only 125 miles by barely 25-45 miles wide of roughly five million, and a lot less of them being Jews, up against a quarter of the world's population, must have something going for it.
If it didn't, the much stronger countries surrounding it should have crushed Israel years ago.

What is it that you want from that tiny state to prove itself worthy, military-wise, to one of the world's preeminent economists? A miracle everyday? Ricky, the fact that Israel even exists is a miracle. And the IDF is not perfect. There are tons of journals written by the IDF that point out that they are capable of making major mistakes but are trying to learn from them. Few countries in the world have a military that openly debates its own failure in the manner of the IDF.

What makes me laugh is that just because you are a Ph.D., you think you know everything. I'll bet if I dropped you into a Russian BMP and slammed the hatch on you, you wouldn't even know how to get yourself out. You'd be in a screaming panic in less than a minute, and if I dropped you in the Mitla Pass or Valley of Tears, you wouldn't be smart enough to know which way was out or why it was Holy ground to both Arab and Jew. Sharon, Eleazar, and Shadmi are names that will never mean a thing to you. You're the kind of individual who glosses over the blood and dirt for a chance encounter with luck so that some drivel, idiot journalist can someday proclaim that the amazing "Ricky" did it again with his economic forecast. In my eyes, until you have a deeper appreciation and understanding for the IDF, you are hardly qualified to predict its demise.
Cripes, wasn't it you that swooned over the wonders of the atomic bomb? How much research have you done into the history of Israel's nuclear program? I can only imagine that Egypt and Syria have done far more than you have. Unlike you, I wouldn't declare any military washed up or out until their last flash-bang goes off, God forbid.

So Ricardo, I'm going to close by surrendering to you. You are far more intelligent than I, with the university degree to prove it. Indeed, your family has a Brazilian pedigree that mine could only dream of. In addition, I don't have a dog in this fight; I'm just a neutral observer of all things history, and I'm happy to let history prove my point. My emphasis, of course, is not on the Middle-East, it's on Brasil, but it is enjoyable to read the opinions of others who know far more than me, such as yourself. Just remember me if your dreams of national conquest succeed and you do become a dictator. I'd love a job in your department of international history.


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written by João da Silva, May 23, 2010

Joao da Silva is in California?


No, though he finds the climate and hospitality of California extremely agreeable during his visits there.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Going back to the Nuclear "accord mediated by Brasil with Iran, here is an interesting link to read:

http://www.estadao.com.br/esta...5104,0.php

Citing the Reuters, this article says that Mr.Obama was encouraging Mr.Lula to get engaged with Iran and bring about an accord in order to "diminish" tensions in the Middle East. This proves that the relationship between PBO and Mr.Lula is more cordial than it appears on the surface.

P.S to Simpleton: Brazzil.com magazine is migrating to another server and it would take a couple of months to normalize the situation.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Turkey, Brazil, Iran?
written by Ederson, May 23, 2010
I read the link, Joao. I don't get it, never did. It's over my head. The interesting story is not Brazil's involvement, but Turkey's. Turkey, despite the obvious is a strong ally of Israel. David Ben Gurion, [spelling] was a graduate of Istanbul University. Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody, please, but since 1996, aren't Israeli fighter pilots, who bomb Arabs, trained in Turkey, or use Turkish airspace for their practice? When Turkey was threatened by Syria in'98, wasn't it the Israelis who threatened to blast open the back door to Damascus and put an end to the Syrian saber rattling? What about the Turkish/Israeli free trade agreement signed in 2009? When the Cyprus conflict escalated, and it's NATO allies abandoned it, wasn't it the Israelis who backed the Turks with secret weapons? And huummmm....., isn't it the Israelis who work on much of the Turkish air force airplanes when it comes time for advanced repair?
On the other hand, isn't Turkey a little wary of Iran and its exportation of fundamentalism? After all, Turkey is 99 percent secular Sunni.
I think Obama is a goon and Lula nuts for getting involved.
I feel that anything you read or see on TV is mostly nonsense and was probably written by an economist with no background in the area, except for Ricardo, whose Middle-East Credentials are impeccable. In addition, I think that there is far more to the story, obviously, than what is being told. Can you imagine what it must be like for Turkey, one of the largest Muslim states, to have the only Jewish power in the world as it's most loyal and secret ally? Come, on! Give me a break. You can't make this stuff up.
I'm only a humble peasant with barely adequate sugarcane cutting skills, but I read a lot.smilies/wink.gif
Just wish improvements don't lead to regression in relation
written by Simpleton, May 23, 2010
Yes Joao, the sister site BrazilMag has it's issues with the migration too. They have the sort order for the articles bassackwards so you see our junk from 2004 first instead of the most "current" articles until you hit the "Home" button. There, I've filed my complaint!

BTW, my psuedo family connections that actually live in California vs just visiting there have BooCu problems with the set up in their own new websites even having cooperated with a couple other Brasileiro run sites in other parts of the US but just like you, they aren't responsible for the goof ups on this set of sites either.

Eddie - the coop of Turkey in bilaterl / trilateral arrangements has been going on for awhile. I had the pleasure of providing training for a small group of their avionics maintenance folks about ten years back - they are smart but the areas they wanted to probe into / learn more about I was prohibited (with the potential of incarceration in federal prison) to reveal stuff along those topic lines even though the technology was inherent in the product they were learning the guts of. Sailing Lake Michigan was fun too and got them to relax a bit - they were so f'd up on irrational beliefs about American people (just like some Brasileiros I've encountered). A cup of anisette was okay for one of them, I think the others would have been okay with that as well but were afraid the word might get out back home and land them in trouble due to the more "true" religeous adherents within their ranks.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 23, 2010

I'm only a humble peasant with barely adequate sugarcane cutting skills, but I read a lot.


To be the overseer of a sugarcane "Plantation", one doesnt need to be skilled in anything, Ederson. With your vast readings and writing skill, you would soon be made a lifetime member of ABL!!

Turkey, Brazil, Iran?


If you cant get it, how do you expect me to understand the whole bit? The idea of my posting the link was to get some sort of explanation from scholarly peasants like you. I have read about the close relationship with Turkey and Israel. Hence I was surprised that Turkey entered into the picture 24 hours before Mr.Lula landed in Tehran and now this intriguing news appears. I did try to research on this directly at Reuters website and I couldn't get any info on the supposed letter that Obama wrote to Lula.

I still think that the whole "Peace Keeping" trips of Mr.Lula are not over yet and we will hear more about such "efforts" before, during and after the elections.We are in for many surprises in the next coming months.smilies/sad.gif
Joao.
written by Ederson, May 23, 2010
I can read and write because that's easy, Joao. It's when I have to say something that my horrible accent turns me into a babbling fool.
I also agree with you about the up-and-coming surprises. I'm sure there will be many.smilies/wink.gif
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 23, 2010

Ricardo: Ederson, you still are trying to defend Israel, and you are probably Jewish.

I had no intention to offend you and your religion, as I mentioned a number of times on the comment section of various articles during our discussions I am agnostic, and it does not matter to me what kind of religion you practice.

I am glad that you grasped that I think like an economist and not as a warmonger. What is important to me is economic development and to create a better life and raise all the boats to the largest possible number of people of the population in Brazil and in the United States.

I have been living in the New York Metropolitan area for a long time, and Israel is always making the news headlines, and when you think about Israel two thoughts comes to mind:

1) Poor me, I am a victim of the Holocaust. And they have been beating this subject to death for many decades. I can’t hear another word about the Holocaust, something that happened long before I was born, and the Jewish Holocaust did not happen even during my lifetime. There were many Holocausts in history, but the Jewish people think their Holocaust was a special Holocaust and more important than everybody else’s Holocausts.

2) Or Israel the troublemaker. For decades now Israel has hogged the news year after year with its constant trouble in the Middle East.

We have been saturated of Israel’s crisis since the 1970’s, never mind the 1980’s, 1990’s, and the first decade of the new century. Israel is like a case of herpes that never goes away.

If you believe it or not there are more important things happening around the world than what is going on with Israel – that requires the attention and support of the United States.

If anything the support that the United States has been giving to Israel all these years it does not makes sense and it goes against the long-term self-interest of the United States.

Americans are finally realizing that it’s not good for their self-interest to keep giving this constant support to Israel.

The Israelis probably have realized by now that the US gravy train is close to the end.

Even the new American Jewish generation in the United States is disconnecting from Israel.


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New York Review of Books – June 10, 2010

The Failure of the American Jewish Establishment
By: Peter Beinart

In 2003, several prominent Jewish philanthropists hired Republican pollster Frank Luntz to explain why American Jewish college students were not more vigorously rebutting campus criticism of Israel. In response, he unwittingly produced the most damning indictment of the organized American Jewish community that I have ever seen.

The philanthropists wanted to know what Jewish students thought about Israel. Luntz found that they mostly didn’t. “Six times we have brought Jewish youth together as a group to talk about their Jewishness and connection to Israel,” he reported. “Six times the topic of Israel did not come up until it was prompted. Six times these Jewish youth used the word ‘they‘ rather than ‘us‘ to describe the situation.”

That Luntz encountered indifference was not surprising. In recent years, several studies have revealed, in the words of Steven Cohen of Hebrew Union College and Ari Kelman of the University of California at Davis, that “non-Orthodox younger Jews, on the whole, feel much less attached to Israel than their elders,” with many professing “a near-total absence of positive feelings.” In 2008, the student senate at Brandeis, the only nonsectarian Jewish-sponsored university in America, rejected a resolution commemorating the sixtieth anniversary of the Jewish state.

Luntz’s task was to figure out what had gone wrong. When he probed the students’ views of Israel, he hit up against some firm beliefs. First, “they reserve the right to question the Israeli position.” These young Jews, Luntz explained, “resist anything they see as ‘group think.’” They want an “open and frank” discussion of Israel and its flaws. Second, “young Jews desperately want peace.” When Luntz showed them a series of ads, one of the most popular was entitled “Proof that Israel Wants Peace,” and listed offers by various Israeli governments to withdraw from conquered land. Third, “some empathize with the plight of the Palestinians.” When Luntz displayed ads depicting Palestinians as violent and hateful, several focus group participants criticized them as stereotypical and unfair, citing their own Muslim friends.


The article is very long and you can read the entire article at:
http://www.nybooks.com/article...tion=false


Note: Peter Beinart is Associate Professor of Journalism and Political Science at the City University of New York, a Senior Fellow at the New America Foundation, and Senior Political Writer for The Daily Beast. His new book, The Icarus Syndrome: A History of American Hubris, will be published in June.

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Correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 23, 2010

I had no intention to offend you and your religion, as I mentioned a number of times on the comment section of various articles during our discussions I am agnostic, and it does not make any difference to me what kind of religion you practice - and I have friends who are Jewish, Moslem,Catholic, Protestant, and Hindu.

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Marshall Plan for the Middle East - a better choice for the United States
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 23, 2010

Ederson: any idiot can see that a tiny country only 125 miles by barely 25-45 miles wide of roughly five million people…


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Ricardo: When I said: “If you believe it or not there are more important things happening around the world than what is going on with Israel – that requires the attention and support of the United States.”

I forgot to finish what I was saying - …There are more important countries or areas that should require the full attention of the United States such as China, India, Brazil, Russia, Europe, and Africa.

In terms of the global picture, in my opinion Israel is an irrelevant country in anyway you look at it.

The only way Israel is not irrelevant is from the perspective of the American taxpayer – since 1972 Israel cost more the $ 200 billion dollars to the US taxpayer.

And if all that money had been spent instead of Israel but like a new Marshall Plan for rebuilding and creating a stronger economic foundation for that area of the Middle East then today we might have had a much better outcome with peace and prosperity in many of these countries that are in constant state of war with Israel.

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Call me a Jew-lover
written by Ederson, May 24, 2010
Ricky. Calm down. Have some more milk and another cookie. Call me a Jew-lover, assault my ancestry, belittle my sugarcane cutting skills, demean me as a peasant; that's okay,; I can handle it, but try and stay with the subject. You've had a very difficult month; indeed, your fall from grace has been particularly rough: being discredited as an international economist, your rejection as Brasil's preeminent would-be dictator, and now your failure as a military historian seems particularly brutal. If we could spend an afternoon together, I would put you in the red wagon behind my house and pull you about the sugarcane fields with my farm tractor to give you the rest you deserve. The scenery isn't much, but the clear, outside air might give you a fresh outlook.

Ricky, stay on topic on this discussion. Remember? We are discussing the Israeli military and the your assessment of the fact it is a paper tiger or a barking dog that can't bite.

Also, try not to bring the viewpoints of a bunch of liberal Jewish college kids into the argument, okay. I have my own children, and I'm perfectly aware of how such gentlefolks can so easily be disconnected from reality.

Another thing, I'm not impressed by any opinion of any of your northeast-American liberally educated friends. It doesn't impress me; in fact, your tendency to justify and buttress your arguments by quoting such distinguished nobodies seems kind of boorish at times. What's wrong with reading history books written by witnesses from both sides, or as a Ph. D., are you allowed to discredit the truth, too?

I also don't care how much Israel costs America. That's not my problem; that's yours. But you probably think I'm stupid for not realizing the huge benefits the Yanks receive from the combat testing the Israelis give American military hardware. I know better, Ricky, sometimes I think that all you and your country are doing are renting Israel as a proving ground for your military.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 24, 2010

Call me a Jew-lover, assault my ancestry, belittle my sugarcane cutting skills, demean me as a peasant; that's okay,;


Are you planning to set up an Union for "Coitadinhos" ? If so, count me in.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Peasant union.
written by Ederson, May 24, 2010
If I start a peasant union, I'm giving a free membership to Ricky. The poor guy over the last month has had the crap beaten out of him and still doesn't know when he's down. He's oblivious to pain, long hours, ridicule, and being ignored. Ricky would make the perfect farmhand. Imagine, all of that education wasted searching for the acclaim and glory he'll never receive as an economist when, in reality, he would receive far more respect as a farmhand. How can we convince him to join us, Joao?smilies/wink.gif He's the perfect poster child for our peasant's union.smilies/cheesy.gif
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 24, 2010

Ederson: You've had a very difficult month; indeed, your fall from grace has been particularly rough: being discredited as an international economist, your rejection as Brasil's preeminent would-be dictator, and now your failure as a military historian seems particularly brutal.


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Ricardo: Reading you posting make me laugh, you must be a real fool.

You must have a major problem with your reading comprehension my article suggested that Brazilian general from the Brazilian army become the new dictator of Brazil.

Where did you get the idea that I want to be the dictator of Brazil – I never been in the military of any country.

Where did you get the idea that I am a military historian?

As I mentioned to you and I can’t be clear than that I am agnostic (maybe you don’t know what agnostic means, please check in a dictionary) – That means that for my perspective Israel it is just a piece of desert and nothing else.

If Israel was a real holly land God would have located Israel where Saudi Arabia is located with lots of oil and gas and not in a location that it’s just a desert and nothing else.

Like the old joke says: why is Hillary Clinton the perfect person to work the peace deal with Israel? - Because she is specialized in dealing in worthless pieces of property.

Now that scientists created a life form in the lab, probably would not be long before they figure out how human being were created – and at that point all the fairy tales about religion would become obsolete – and Israel would become just a piece of worthless desert.

That’s too bad that Moses did not have the foresight of making the location of Saudi Arabia as the Promised Land. He was supposed to be able to turn water into blood, but he was not able to figure out that the oil was located in Saudi Arabia or Iraq for that matter.

They were lost in the desert for 40 years – are you kidding?

That’s because they did not have a single Lawrence of Arabia among them – otherwise they would be able to figure out how to get out of the desert in a matter of days.


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Ederson: Ricky, stay on topic on this discussion. Remember? We are discussing the Israeli military and the your assessment of the fact it is a paper tiger or a barking dog that can't bite.


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Ricardo: yes, we all watched on television when the Israeli army lost most of that global respect during the conflict against Lebanon during the Israel/Lebanon war of 2006 when Hezbollah kicked the ass of the Israeli army for the entire world to see it on CNN News, and the BBC.

Hezbollah humiliated the Israeli army during that conflict, and the only thing the Israeli’s could do was to drop bombs from airplanes and nothing else, and every time the Israeli army engaged in a direct battle with Hezbollah – Hezbollah kicked their ass – and the entire world saw it on CNN News and the BBC.

Basically what the entire world found out is how overrated the Israeli army was – if anything the last Lebanon war served like a reality check.

Conclusion: Israel is an irrelevant country for all practical purposes.

Now you went back to your theme that Israel is nothing more than a country that uses its army to bully its neighbors.


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Ederson: It doesn't impress me; in fact, your tendency to justify and buttress your arguments by quoting such distinguished nobodies seems kind of boorish at times.


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Ricardo: I understand that you don’t have a clue who John Naisbitt, Paul Krugman, Jeremy Rifkin, Joseph Stiglitz, and so on….and based on your postings I am not surprised that you never heard of these people, and it must be really boring for you.


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Ederson: But you probably think I'm stupid for not realizing the huge benefits the Yanks receive from the combat testing the Israelis give American military hardware.


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Ricardo: I would not call you stupid. The only problem is that you are not aware that the United States can test its military hardware in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Maybe you don’t know that the United States has 2 wars going on right now.


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Ederson: I know better, Ricky, sometimes I think that all you and your country are doing are renting Israel as a proving ground for your military.


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Ricardo: If that is the case then the Israeli army has to put its act together, since the United States needs a lot of help in Afghanistan.

Since the United States is supporting the Israeli military – then the minimum you guys can do it is to send a few thousand Israeli soldiers to help the Americans in Afghanistan.

But we already came to the conclusion: We are discussing the Israeli military and your assessment regarding the fact that the Israeli military are just a paper tiger and a barking dog that can't bite.

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Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 24, 2010

Ederson: If I start a peasant union, I'm giving a free membership to Ricky. The poor guy over the last month has had the crap beaten out of him and still doesn't know when he's down. He's oblivious to pain, long hours, ridicule, and being ignored. Ricky would make the perfect farmhand.


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Ricardo: Since you are in the little kid mode and are trying to hurt my feelings then you forgot to add to your posting: he smells, he has bad breath, he is short, fat, has a bald head, he is ugly looking, has big ears, a big nose, and he uses viagra every night.

Now you hurt my feelings real bad and I am almost crying.

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Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 24, 2010

How can we convince him to join us, Joao?


We can start a new party-RPM (Royal Peasants Movement) and tell him that its exclusive purpose is to confront & neutralize MST,FARC,etc; Also entice him by offering the job of the Headman for this noble movement!




Worthless pieces of property - (Whitewater and Israel)
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 24, 2010

Like the old joke says: why is Hillary Clinton the perfect person to work the peace deal with Israel? - Because she is specialized in dealing in worthless pieces of property.

I better clarify for you because you probably don't have a clue about what I am trying to say, since you never heard of the Whitewater scandal.


Whitewater scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...ontroversy

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Little kid mode?
written by Ederson, May 24, 2010
Forget it, Ricky. You can call me whatever name and insult me in whatever fashion, and it won't bother me. Actually, I appreciate your contributions to the blog. Some of the things you say are quite worthy; some are only merely serious, and some are rather funny. However, I am not oblivious to the dangers that one, such as yourself, suffers when attempting to expose the masses to a higher intellect or viewpoint. I have no doubt that you have been picked on and yelled at by any number of people for any number of reasons, many unjustified, but don't take anything I say seriously. In me, you have a friend.
I just disagree with your assertion that the IDF is, nor ever was, a paper tiger for reasons that you can probably discern. However, if you must insist that it is over for them, then who am I to argue. My intellectual career has been somewhat narrower than yours, and I will forever be overwhelmed by your logic and world view.
You do, Ricky, seem to have a unique stamina or exterior toughness for saying the kind of thing that many of us have never heard of, thought of, or had the courage to state in words as eloquent as yours.
There. Do you feel better?
Don't give up the fight, buddy. There's another chapter of Brazil's history waiting to be written, and somehow, I feel you'll be in it.smilies/wink.gif Just do your best to suffer the ignorant peasants who read your blogs.
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 25, 2010

Ricardo: You are right about one thing the last month has been like hell, but not for the reasons that you are thinking, since the reasons that you gave are laughable to me.

My mother just went through a major open-heart surgery and my immediate family did not know if she was going to be able to survive the operation, because of her age and other medical complications. She survived, and now she is in a rehab place for a few weeks. Besides that a very close friend of ours is dying of cancer and she probably will not last another week, she is skin and bones and just open her eyes when she is in terrible pain and needs more morphine – basically she can die at any minute from now on.

That are the kind of events that are important, are very stressful and it can get me down, the rest it’s trivial and immaterial to me, and I don’t give a s**t.


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Ederson: I just disagree with your assertion that the IDF is, nor ever was, a paper tiger for reasons that you can probably discern. However, if you must insist that it is over for them, then who am I to argue.


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Ricardo: Israel had their time in the spotlight in the last 60 years, but now there’s a new global dynamics that is changing the world of the 21st century.

The new world order is moving at the speed of light and real power is shifting faster than you realized from the old guard to the new boys in town: the BRIC’s.

I don't care about Israel, and they are just a little country with a small population and nothing else. And no different than many other little countries from around the world. Besides, Israel is part of the old game that has been going on for the last 60 yaers and that finally is going out of style.


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Ederson: Don't give up the fight, buddy. There's another chapter of Brazil's history waiting to be written, and somehow, I feel you'll be in it.


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Ricardo: Brazil has an outstanding future ahead of us, as a matter of fact there’s no other country in the world today that is in a better position to be the new superstar of the 21st century. Brazil has everything going on its favor today, but still will encounter some minor bumps in the road as Brazil finally achieves its full potential as a people and as a country.

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Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is actually earning the Nobel Peace Price the hard way
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 25, 2010

Ricardo: It looks like Brazil finally has the chance to win its first Nobel Prize after all this time.

At the same time that Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is actually earning the Nobel Peace Price the hard way – by taking a chance and helping to defuse a nasty situation that it was heading for another major war regarding Iran and the United States.

In the other hand Barack Obama would be better to return to Sweden the Nobel Peace Prize that he received last year, since his administration is working very hard to start new wars with Iran, and also between the 2 Koreas.

Right now I am wondering if Hillary Clinton’s main job as Secretary of State – if her major job and goal is to go around the world trying to start new wars that the United States can’t afford to fight it.

If anything, her diplomatic and deal making abilities reminds me of Whitewater more than anything else.

Hillary is becoming a real lose cannon on her efforts of starting new wars around the world. Bill Clinton should tell her that her job is to avoid wars for the United States and not start new wars that can turn the world into World War III.

Maybe the seven military bases that the United States is building in Colombia it also has something to do with this World War III strategy that the United States is pursuing.


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“Iran Deal Seen as Spot on Brazilian Leader’s Legacy”
By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO
Published: May 24, 2010
The New York Times

SÃO PAULO — When the Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, went to Tehran two weeks ago, he was hoping to defuse a seemingly intractable crisis over Iran’s nuclear program and cement his reputation as an international statesman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05...razil.html

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Correction
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 25, 2010

It should read:

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is actually earning the Nobel Peace Prize the hard way.

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written by João da Silva, May 25, 2010

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is actually earning the Nobel Peace Price the hard way


A splendid idea to give him the Nobel Peace award. He could use his new role as a "Peace Maker" to scuttle the proposal to enter into "Strategic Military Alliance" with France and buy RAFALES, Choppers, Submarines, etc; Instead, the money saved along with the Prize money he earns could be invested to develop and build our own Military hardware here in Brasil.

I am sure the Peasants Union will fully endorse my suggestion. smilies/cheesy.gif
Ricardo
written by Ederson, May 25, 2010
I've been giving a great deal of thought to your continued assertion that Israel is a paper tiger. Okay, let's say that I agree with you. Then why are so many countries that already possess advanced weapons systems buying Israeli equipment, and why are the Americans so concerned that Israel is pirating american military hardware?
In one of my recent military journals there was a picture of a Chinese interceptor harassing another airplane over international waters. A close-up picture of the Chinese fighter revealed the presence of Israeli air-to-air missiles, and that is just one of many issues concerning technological piracy by the Israelis.
I'm not a trained economist by any means, but something tells me that a country as small as Israel with no natural resources must reinvent itself as a center of technology, much in the same pattern of Sweden or Switzerland. That alone makes Israel appear dangerous to me. Israel even spies on its on friends. Are you familiar with the Pollard case?
Ricky, I'm interested in how or why you are making such an assertion. Even today, Israel is buying technological companies in other countries to assure its continued leadership in a number of highly technological fields. There are communities in the US that have suffered from such Israeli practices. It's on the Internet. One such company was Mallory Capacitors, which was moved to Israel. I'm not at all surprised that even now Brazil may be experiencing the same thing by Rafael.

Well, this discussion could go on forever, but I won't allow that to happen. Still, your assertion is such a contradiction of what I feel is flagrant evidence to the contrary that if you have time I would enjoy more information or a brief factual synopsis concerning your revelation that Israel is washed up and out. Thanks.
consider it endorsed!
written by Ederson, May 25, 2010
The Strategic Analysis Division of the New, Independent Peasant's Union is still debating the merits of the purchase of an endless array of French military equipment or defending Brasil's borders from insurgents and drug dealers.
So far, it has been determined that a ruthless group of Brazilian patriots, trained to take on the drug dealers have very little value during parades and presidential moments so will probably be regulated to the back bleachers, if present at all.
However, a flock of fancy new French fighter planes, of limited worth to Brasil's overall national security, does have an intimidating parade factor. In addition, Brasil's new submarine fleet will no doubt prove significant in closing down the illegal fishing that is ravaging the Amazon. And Brasil's new purchase of a countless number of French helicopters will solidify our position in our new and great strategic alliance of BRIC. Or will it? We don't know! There are so many new alliances and strategic partners that the new Peasant's Union is momentarily confused.
If America buys Russian helicopters to give to its allies because they are cheaper, more durable, and inexpensive to operate, then we should buy French, shouldn't we, because aren't the French part of BRIC and aren't their helicopters far more expensive? And thank heavens for our new economic alliance with Israel, they will surely appreciate the recent purchase of the French aircraft carrier. The aircraft carrier will certainly make the drug dealers think twice! And the recent purchase of 250 German tanks ought to impress somebody and haltthe flow of illegal drugs, shouldn't they?
Hey, what's the priority here? I don't think the peasant's union really knows.
Does anyone know?
The peasant's union needs a top economist to give us a world view and help us understand our national priorities.
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written by João da Silva, May 26, 2010

The Strategic Analysis Division of the New, Independent Peasant's Union is still debating the merits of the purchase of an endless array of French military equipment or defending Brasil's borders from insurgents and drug dealers.


But..but... the "founding brother" of the Union has forgotten to mention the "strategic alliance" with Israel.smilies/sad.gif Is he not aware that we are buying UAVs from there to keep track of the nefarious activities of the peasants in the favelas of Rio during the Olympics 2016?

The peasant's union needs a top economist to give us a world view and help us understand our national priorities.


Our "national priorities" and "strategic alliances" will make the head of any "top economist" start reeling.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
UAV's
written by Ederson, May 26, 2010
Joao, by the time the founding member finished his earlier Blog, he was a little upset by the fact that Brasil, as capable as this nation is, has to buy toy airplanes from another country. Brazil can build airliners, Tucanos, AMX's, and etc, but can't build a remotely controlled giant model airplane with a similar structure to the Tucano, and perhaps with a variant of the same engine? Doesn't make any sense.
If Brazil has to buy such aircraft from overseas, perhaps there is a world market for such machines. I studied the history of the UAV in Israel. It was developed from model airplanes using simple technology by a retired IAF A-4 pilot and was hugely successful in the Baca Valley in giving the IAF total and completely humiliating superiority against the Syrians. It is an inexpensive concept which, because of Brasil's huge borders and coast, should be developed locally. It's just another example of Brasil's willingness to accede its defensive needs to outsiders and further weakens any claim Brasil has to military independence and a non-aligned world view, which is turning out to be total and complete nonsense anyway. The later problem becoming more confusing by Brasil's increasing alliances with anybody based on a poorly defined foreign policy. I don't know; again, it's just the opinion of a peasant.smilies/wink.gif
Foreign or Domestic
written by Simpleton, May 26, 2010
Doesn't matter where the UAVs are from. It will give the boys more entertainment and a bit more challeging one at that than popping off at Papai Noel in a helo don't ya think?
UAV's again
written by Ederson, May 26, 2010
No doubt about it, UAV's are the wave of the future. More effective, less costly then helicopters. The Israelis are making new types for different missions constantly. They just revealed a new one that could fly to Iran and back with artificial intelligence.
Why would the Israelis want to fly anything to Iran?
The Americans are using them for patrolling their borders and assassinating terrorist suspects. The largest American UAV can fly to Europe and back and land itself completely unassisted with artificial intelligence. It seems that such a machine would be perfect for Brasil's expansive border and coastal areas.
Every little country in the world is preparing to build their own, and Brasil will buy them from every little country.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 27, 2010

The later problem becoming more confusing by Brasil's increasing alliances with anybody based on a poorly defined foreign policy. I don't know; again, it's just the opinion of a peasant.


Were you the author of the report in the following link?:

http://www.caer.org.br/fx2.pdf

Even if you are not, I bet you have already read it. smilies/cool.gif

I hope Ricardo and Simpleton get to read it.

Regardless, the coming months are going to be interesting, eh, Cel.smilies/wink.gif
Anything but French!
written by Ederson, May 27, 2010
I hope Brasil learned from the AMX, but I doubt it. I can only imagine that whatever Brasil purchases will have considerable parade value and little in practical, long-term application.
I didn't write this, but I echo his opinion. The Swedes are superb innovators. Kelly Johnson, the greatest American aircraft designer was a Swede. I prefer the Grippen, but I'll settle for anything that isn't French and allows a strong job and technology transfer to Brasil. That kind of leaves out everyone but the Swedes and the Yanks. smilies/wink.gif
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written by João da Silva, May 27, 2010

Anything but French!


Come on Col, don't be so rude towards the French. They do know how to produce better wine than we do and you know it.Being a fair person, I am willing to give them credit for several things, including their fine cuisine. smilies/smiley.gif
Good Move
written by Amman Mohammed, May 28, 2010
Very Good move by Lula and Erdogan.
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written by João da Silva, May 28, 2010

Very Good move by Lula and Erdogan.


Mr.Mohammed, I agree that it is an astute political move by both the leaders in the international arena . But..but..it is just that and does not contribute much to the solution of the domestic problems facing their respective countries.
Just opinion.
written by Ederson, May 29, 2010
Sure, we can all imagine a conflict between Iran and Israel, that's a given. But the real war, the true slaughter, will occur between the Islamic countries, themselves. As nuclear technology spreads throughout the world, it will be interesting to watch the Islamic world divide further into sects determined to annihilate each other.
At the moment, the Jews seem to be serving as something of a lightning rod to focus their martial energies, but once the Jews are gone, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria, among countless other Islamic countries will have a "blast" determining on whose side God lives. If the world thought Iran and Iraq, Iraq against Kuwait, etc., was incredible, I believe the worst is yet to come, especially after the Saudi program comes to fruition. In the Islamic world, war is more than just a hobby.
Joao
written by Ederson, May 29, 2010
Joao, you might have a point. Any culture that can cook a bug and declare it as fine cuisine has something going for it. Still, I prefer a good steak to fulfill my protein needs.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, May 30, 2010

Any culture that can cook a bug and declare it as fine cuisine has something going for it.


That was precisely the response I expected from you, Ederson smilies/smiley.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Talking about the French, I wonder if you remember that a year has passed since the "mysterious" crash of the Air France flt 447 over the South Atlantic. In case you haven't already read it, here is the link:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noti...8720,0.htm

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written by João da Silva, May 30, 2010

In the Islamic world, war is more than just a hobby.


Food for thought.smilies/smiley.gif
Flt 447.
written by Ederson, May 30, 2010
I have no desire to ever fly on Air France. I'm too patriotic.smilies/wink.gif
The Israeli commandos got their - ass kicked - again.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 31, 2010

Ederson: I've been giving a great deal of thought to your continued assertion that Israel is a paper tiger.


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Ricardo: Today I was watching on TV the latest fiasco of the Israeli commandos. The Israeli army commandos look like a bunch of amateurs – they are reaching the level of being just Pathetic. There is no better word to describe them – PATHETIC.

The United States look very bad on its continuous support for Israel, and mainly now that Israel has become a lose cannon with their terrorist acts around the Middle East – If there’s one country in the Middle East that is getting completely out of control that country is Israel.

Another thing that I realized is that all these years I have been over-estimating the intelligence level of the Jews from Israel at least the people who end up on their army.

Ederson, please stop trying to make a case on behalf of the Israeli army.

Yes, we all watched on television when the Israeli army lost most of that global respect during the conflict against Lebanon during the Israel/Lebanon war of 2006 when Hezbollah “kicked the ass” of the Israeli army for the entire world to see it on CNN News, and the BBC.

In the latest fiasco the Israeli commandos who attacked that ship that was going to Gaza got their “ass kicked” by a bunch of guys armed with pieces of wood, and knifes. They humiliated the Israeli commandos for the entire world to see it on CNN News and on the BBC News.

The Israeli attack against those boats that were headed to Gaza was a terrorist act on international waters. There’s no two ways about it.

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The ultimate Israeli show of military power - drop a nuke in Gaza.
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 31, 2010

The paper tiger has been threatening to drop a nuke in Iran for at least the last 5 years.

Anyway, Israel is trying so hard to project some kind of military power, and at this point I would not be surprised if they decide to drop a nuke in Gaza.

Today related to Israel, anything is possible.

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Ricky for dictator!
written by Ederson, May 31, 2010
I so want you to continue writing your wonderful essays about why Brazil needs a dictator and why you should be that dictator. They were fluent, eloquent, and written by someone with a great deal of common sense and a deep understanding of history. Go for it, Ricky. I'm behind you! Far, far, far behind you.smilies/wink.gif
Reply to Ederson
written by Ricardo C. Amaral, May 31, 2010

I never implied on my article that I wanted to be a dictator of Brazil.

I have never been in the military anyway.

My article was very clear, I suggested a military coup d'etat in Brazil under the leadership of Lieutenant-General Augusto Heleno Ribeiro Pereira.


Just teasing!
written by Ederson, June 01, 2010
I was just teasing, Ricky. I didn't have enough time to respond to your trying to convert me into am apologist for Israel, which I'm not, so I was just returning the favor by accusing you of wanting to be a dictator, which I know you're not.
I got to run. Later for sure.
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