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For Brazil to Engage Iran Is Not as Foolish as It Seems PDF Print E-mail
2010 - June 2010
Written by Manasi Raveendran   
Saturday, 05 June 2010 02:40

Lula meets Ahmadinejad in Tehran On May 15th, 2010, president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil met with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey to discuss Iran's nuclear program. The result was a startling announcement by the three countries regarding a proposed nuclear material trade deal between Iran, Turkey, and the Vienna Group (Germany and the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council - the United States, France, the United Kingdom, Russia, and China).

The tri-partite talks have since received both praise and criticism, much of it directed at Brazil and president Lula. To some experts, Brazil has ventured out of its depth on the Iran issue, and it is now being accused of being impractical, even immature, for foolishly squeezing its way into the international spotlight without proper cause.

However, it could be alternately argued that Brazil's participation in the tri-partite talks was not only pragmatic, but also contained the potential of providing a powerful corrective position to the West's American-dominated, acerbic policy on the nuclear issue and Iran.

Since the Cardoso administration, Brazilian foreign policy has emphasized itself as a nation on the make, driven by a highly sophisticated economy and polity. Brazil has worked to countermand an inequitable development pattern often espoused in the Western Hemisphere.

Brazil is now a welcomed exponent of multilateralism and non-intervention and an advocate of the peaceful resolution of regional and international disputes. Brazil emphasizes national sovereignty and the recognition of conciliation as the cornerstone of international relations and as the bedrock of Brazil's posture on the world scene.

In the recent past, Brazil has been a major regional player in foreign policy matters, participating in the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR) and regional free trade agreements (FTAs) and playing an important role in the Organization of American States (OAS).

However, the Lula administration has ventured to increase Brazil's international footprint. Brazil's growing and far more diversified economy has allowed it to forge more ties outside the region.

The organization colloquially known as BRIC is a quartet of mid-level economic powerhouses-Brazil, Russia, India, and China-initially formed ties on an economic basis. It has since held dialogues on a variety of issues, such as the reform of financial institutions, monetary policy, immigration, and a host of environmental issues.

Brazil's expansive economy and Lula's international strategies have thrust it into the international arena, with foreign-policy gurus routinely naming it a "potential world power." The Lula administration has been vigorously following a "South-South" strategy-harnessing connections among developing countries to increase its own capabilities and to enhance the clout of developing nations.

The "South-South" libretto utilizes an increasingly shared political and economic history as well as common synergies among these like-minded countries in order to offer a forum with a wide agenda for international cooperation. Touting this strategy-which is also being followed by other "Southern" countries such as India, South Africa, and Iran - Brazil prefers to emphasis mediation, negotiation, multilateralism, and non-intervention when dealing with international problems-not to be confused with either the non-protesting acceptance of U.S. primacy or total passivity.

Brazil's Nuclear History

President Lula, in a November 2009 press conference regarding increased Tehran-Brasília cooperation, stated that Iran and Brazil were two countries with an "identical development model." This is especially evident in their respective nuclear histories.

The Brazilian nuclear weapons program started in the 1960s, when Brazil was the South American leader in nuclear technology research and development, competing only with Argentina in a proxy-Cold War in order to receive software and equipment from Europe and the United States. However, in 1980, Brazil signed the Agreement on the Peaceful Use of Nuclear Energy with Argentina.

Thereafter, the two countries abandoned their nuclear weapons' ambitions and became peaceful nuclear powers. Brazil also became a signatory of the 1967 Treaty of Tlatelolco (officially called the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean) as well as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Although Brazil ratified the NPT in 1997, it argued that the treaty was discriminatory in favor of countries that already had nuclear weapon capabilities for two reasons: because it does not include their heightened capabilities within its parameters or any precise methods of reducing these capabilities.

Additionally, Brazil argued that the NPT is an infringement on national sovereignty and that bilateral and multilateral agreements would be more pragmatic than the NPT, especially in terms of enforcement. The case in point is that countries with nuclear weapon capabilities have gradually reduced their arsenals via bilateral and multilateral agreements, such as START I and the most recent Russia-U.S. Nuclear Arms Reduction Pact.

The Brazilian Constitution mandates peaceful usage of nuclear power - for energy and for medical research. Brazil currently operates two nuclear plants (Angra I and Angra II) and is building a third (Angra III). It hopes to build five more such units in the next ten years.

Although there continues to be some speculation as to Brazil's nuclear program and its potential for weapons manufacturing, the country has continued to pledge to enrich its uranium (U-235) to only 3.5%, which is drastically below the level required to fuel an A bomb (a minimum of 90%).

However, Brazil does posses a "breakout capability" - the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons before the world can react - due to its stockpile of uranium that has already been enriched to 3.5%-5%. The United States worries that Brazil, like Iran, may be able to execute a fait accompli.

Brazil's 2009 nuclear submarine project caused some tension between Washington and Brasília because the program was considered a per se violation of the Treaty of Tlatelolco and ultimately threatened U.S. hegemony in the Americas.

From Brasília to Tehran with Love

Iranian-Brazilian relations, relatively slow in coming, generally have revolved around economic issues. Trade between the two countries currently spans US$ 1.25 billion in sales despite the expansive commercial embargo against Iran engineered by the U.S.-led international community.

Similarly, Iranian-Brazilian nuclear ties are neither recent nor novel. In 1992, an Iranian-Brazilian trade deal outlined a plan for the sale of Brazilian equipment leasing to Iran from Brazil's lapsed nuclear program. Although this trade deal was eventually halted due to U.S. pressure, it demonstrates the nuclear connection between these two countries.

Noting the historic interest that Brazil has had in Iran, it is neither surprising nor strange that Brazil volunteered to act as a negotiator with Iran on the nuclear issue and that Iran accepted Lula's offer.

Brazil's stance on nuclear proliferation is relatively simple: it emphasizes a country's right to engage in peaceful nuclear programs. Article XXIII of the Brazilian constitution states that "all nuclear activity within the national territory shall only be admitted for peaceful purposes."

Consequently, it requests that other nations, including Iran, also be allowed to pursue peaceful nuclear programs. Brazil has requested Iran to fully and unequivocally cooperate with the IAEA in order to avoid further sanctions, while supporting its right to engage in a peaceful nuclear program.

At the same time, Brazil does not recognize unilateral sanctions as an effective method of engaging Iran. Brasília abstained from the November 2009 rebuke of Iran's second enrichment plan by the IAEA because the resolution would only lead to sanctions. The Brazilian representative to the IAEA, Antonio Guerreiro, firmly stated the country's stance when he argued that sanctions did not work and would only result in hardening Iran's position and isolating it from the rest of the world.

This would, in turn, lead to an angry and aggressive Iran - a less than ideal result, to say the least. "[D]ialogue is better than confrontation, Guerreiro told O Globo newspaper. President Lula told his Iranian counterpart during his visit to Brasília on November 23, 2009 that Brazil hoped to "continue contacts with increased countries for a just and balanced solution on the nuclear issue."

The Deal

The nuclear fuel plan accepted by Iran in the May 15th tri-partite meeting was the latest version of the October 2009 UN-backed international proposal to swap Iran's low enriched uranium for high-enriched nuclear fuel. That deal was proposed by the Vienna Group to ensure that Iran had nuclear fuel for medical and other peaceful purposes, but nevertheless would reduce its bomb-making capacity.

The Brazil-Iran-Turkey initiative, which was presented to the IAEA for approval on Monday, May 24, 2010, outlined a nuclear material exchange between Iran and Turkey. Iran would send 1,200 kg of its low-enriched uranium (LEU) - potential material for nuclear warheads - to Turkey in exchange for fuel rods to be used in Tehran's medical research reactor.

The deal was received with total skepticism by the West, who focused on the fact that the deal would allow Iran to continue its uranium enrichment. The deal is also seen as another ploy by Tehran to delay and deflect pressure from the West while continuing its program. Furthermore, there is speculation that this deal, like the October 2009 proposal, is bound to fail.

Iran already seems to be backing out of the deal as it faces further sanctions from the UN Security Council (UNSC) draft resolution that has been able to gain the support of China and Russia. The proposed resolution would expand an existing arms embargo, enact measures against Iran's banking sector, and ban the country from mining uranium and developing ballistic missiles overseas.

China's UN Ambassador, Li Baodong, stated that "the purpose of sanctions is to bring Iran to the negotiating table," not to punish Iran and its trade relations. The resolution will enter into voting process sometime this June.

Iran hoped that the recent deal would be a way to avoid sanctions, but if that proves not to be the case, no incentive may exist to persuade it to uphold its end of the bargain. President Ahmadinejad asserted that the UNSC "would have no credit left" in future negotiations if the proposed sanctions were implemented.

Brazil's UN ambassador, Maria Luiza Ribeiro Viotti, stated her country's firm stance was to not actively consider the draft resolution until the tri-partite arrangement had been given an opportunity to be fully vetted. Brazil undoubtedly hopes that Iran will fulfill the terms of the nuclear exchange deal; however, Brasília has let it be known that it is prepared to revisit the issues if the proposed arrangement eventually breaks down.

The American stance regarding the Iran issue appears to be strong at the UNSC, but less so at home. President Obama, faced with the fragile Iran nuclear deal that could crumble in light of the recent UNSC sanctions resolution, is pressing Congress to grant some leeway in applying proposed U.S. gasoline sanctions against Iran.

Foreign Policy Repercussions for Brazil and Lula

Some international affairs analysts have chided Lula for throwing away Brazil's hard-earned international political clout by trying to engage Iran, the black sheep, in these nuclear talks. However, the Brazil-Iran talks do more to give legitimacy to Iran than to negatively affect Brazil.

Lula's efforts demonstrate that Brazil can play a unique role in international affairs. Still, Brazil must be careful and responsible in its strategy of fostering ties with Iran, and it must be especially mindful of Iran's human rights violations, anti-democratic practices, and terrorist accusations.

Although Brazil is relatively new to the international playing field regarding security issues, South America's major emerging nation can bring a different perspective to the negotiation table because it understands nations such as Iran. The recent US-Brazil Defense Cooperation Agreement enhances Brazil's global position, while indicating that Washington is prepared to tolerate Brazil's acts of independence.

Brazil, which has faced similar pressures regarding its nuclear program from the Western Powers, can empathize with "Southern" countries and may be an excellent resource for future mediation efforts.

United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her European Union counterparts have repeatedly warned President Lula about the negative consequences that would result from a Brazil-Iran alliance. Nevertheless, these warnings are viewed by some as greatly exaggerated and unwarranted.

Brazil's expanding economy firmly connects it to the United States, Argentina, and Germany in the West and to China and India in the East. With billions of dollars involved in such trade between Brazil and many other countries, the threats against it are, practically speaking, just words.

Western Powers, such as the United States, France, and the United Kingdom are concerned by the Brazil-Iran connection because it weakens their ability to create a blanket ban against Iran. However, continuing to engage Iran on diplomatic grounds may not be a foolish move by Lula.

President Obama, during his own campaign for office, emphasized that he would restore diplomatic relations with Iran in order to open lines of communication on nuclear matters. The Brazil-Iran negotiations were neither staunchly pro-Iran nor anti-U.S. Rather, they were a flexing of Brazil's new found foreign policy muscle, emphasizing diplomacy and multilateral negotiation-exactly what Lula has been able to achieve with Washington's least favorite pariah nations.

Manasi Raveendran writes for the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org. The organization is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
Brasil's stunning international success in both Haiti and Honduras must certain qualify it as a "potential world power" in the eyes of everyone on the planet earth, as well as qualify it to engage it anything associated with Iran's nuclear proliferation and possible nuclear conflagration with Israel and a number of nearby "worried" Arab countries.
Iran may have lied to every other country associated with this impending nuclear disaster, but Brasil's leadership is just too smart to be fooled or taken by this exporter of terror. The Saudis need to watch their borders; they're next.
It’s easy to appear successful if you give away the Farm.
written by JAY GLENN, June 05, 2010

As far as world power, what can Brazil do when Iran bombs one of its Middle East antagonists?

Start a four way pizza party?

Perhaps send the police and militia from the favels to the conflict; they are doing so well in stopping the drugs in RIO. Don’t forget to send a helicopter, one that is not armored in to the fray.

Oh and good luck with the deep water oil drilling of RIO’s beaches. Do you feel lucky?
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2010

Brasil's stunning international success in both Haiti and Honduras must certain qualify it as a "potential world power" in the eyes of everyone on the planet earth,


A good reminder of our "stunning success" in those two countries. But...but... do you the whereabouts of Mr.Zelaya ?
Uh huh...What about People
written by adrianerik, June 05, 2010
Are people able to write articles anymore where human rights, dignity, liberty, freedom of expression, personal liberty (and of those other 'inconsequential' issues of life) are mentioned? Not once in this article.

Do they matter any more?
Where is Zelaya?
written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
Joao, that's a good question? You'd think that a little over a year later, he would still be in the limelight as a brilliant example of the effectiveness of Brasil's foreign effectiveness and power to assert itself.
I still stand by the unpopular policy of non-alignment and Brasil-first. smilies/wink.gif I can't believe the world is suffering from a lack of would-be leaders and heroes willing to step into the international fray and make a fool of themselves.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2010

I can't believe the world is suffering from a lack of would-be leaders and heroes willing to step into the international fray and make a fool of themselves.


As a matter of fact, there is a stiff competition among the "world leaders" to be adjudged as the most foolish one. I think it is a strategy for the professional politicians to avoid addressing key issues at home.smilies/wink.gif

I still stand by the unpopular policy of non-alignment and Brasil-first.


I side with you 100%. However, I must add that it is considered unpopular, because many confuse this policy with xenophobia.smilies/sad.gif
xenophobia?
written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
Joao! Where did you find that word?smilies/cheesy.gif I had to search for the meaning.
Well, perhaps my belief is a bit too patriotic to many, but the vast majority of Brasilians have no clue with what you are dealing with when you discuss relations with Iran. The Yanks counter-ego at one time might have been the USSR, but today, I am more worried about Iran destabilizing the world than Russia. Indeed, the Russians have proven to have a bit of a pragmatic side to them.
The areas in which Iran is meddling seem to be growing, and Brasil seems to know nothing about it. The only response is more hugs and kisses.
It was only on this site earlier in the year that I learned Saudi Arabia was was fighting a war against Iranian sponsored terrorism, complete with carpet bombs.
Perhaps Brasil's role will be international someday. I just believe that it needs to make small steps first that empower and improve the conditions for the people of Brasil before it asserts itself into an international minefield.
Error in translation.
written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
I said carpet bombs, but I meant cluster bombs. Sorry for the error in translation. Either way, it seems a pretty sickening way to meet your maker.
Why not?
written by BiBiJon, June 05, 2010
Often the simplest questions are the most important to ask.

Just to broaden the discussion, on health care there can huge areas of mutual interest. E.g.

"LIVERPOOL, England -- Health experts are holding up a perhaps unlikely country as a model for fighting AIDS in drug users: Iran.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com...aids.html


"Infant deaths have dropped from 200 per 1,000 births to 26. With the Delta's rate 10 times worse than Iran's, a group of volunteers [from the Mississippi Delta] is traveling to Iran this month to get a crash course in how health houses work."

http://www.google.com/hostedne...QD9G3CCP80

"Though the world's attention has focused on Iran's advancing nuclear program, Iranian scientists have moved to the forefront in embryonic stem cell research, according to a recent joint study by Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "
http://www.washingtontimes.com...-research/

"Scientific output has grown 11 times faster in Iran than the world average, faster than any other country."
http://www.newscientist.com/ar...untry.html

For an alternative look at Iran, see
http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2010

but the vast majority of Brasilians have no clue with what you are dealing with when you discuss relations with Iran.


Unfortunately my friend, the vast majority is clueless not only about Iran ,but...but...many other things. That is the reason we get bamboozled by the empty promises our politicians make and elect and re-elect them.

P.S: BTW, did you finally find the meaning of "Xenophobia"?smilies/cheesy.gif
BiBijon! Thanks.
written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
I read your links. Pretty interesting. Now I have many links stating what a wonderful, peaceful country Iran is and just as many warning the world about the dangers of associating with Iran. I certainly hope the former is true. Never the less, although I'm willing to allow history to determine the truth, [What alternative do I have?], I'm still going to maintain my "Brasil first" opinion until convinced otherwise. But again, thanks for the links. Maybe the horribly unsettling videos of the rioting in Iran against the government was just the Persian version of Carnaval, and in reality, everybody was just having a great time. Could be.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2010

I read your links. Pretty interesting


What is so interesting about the links? Please enlighten a dimwitted peasant like my humble self.
Joao's parable.
written by Ederson, June 05, 2010
This one is for you old buddy. Imagine that I'm a political dissident, and my head is on the chopping block. I want to resist, but members of the crowd yell at me not to fear the giant ax swinging over my neck. They tell me repeatedly that I won't be hurt and that it is all an illusion, and at most is nothing more than the executioner politely swinging his blade about my neck trying to scare the flies away so that I might be comfortable.
It's my job to decide if I should be calm and accept that the executioner is my friend and that his super sharp blade is really just a flyswatter, or should I resist, believe the crowd is lying to me, and run like hell?
While reading the links, I started to wonder if I was just listening to the crowd again.
smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 05, 2010

While reading the links, I started to wonder if I was just listening to the crowd again.


Better not listen to the crowd nor take the links and the newspapers seriously. Haven't you heard the old proverb that those "who go along with the masses are walking in the opposite direction" ?

BTW, "Le Monde" that conferred honors on several "world leaders" is up for sale. Probably, the next will be "El Pais" ,the "Economist" and "TIME". smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
You Are Damned If You Do, and You Are Damned If You Don’t….
written by fried CHC, June 07, 2010


Sometimes simplicity (eye to eye in this case), may stop wars from ever coming to past. I know one thing, the old “rank & file” has proven to be unreliable.

Isn’t better seek peace then war?

I rest my case,

Costinha
In my view.........
written by ch.c, June 08, 2010
All countries on earth should do deals with IRAN !
JUST TO ANNOY......WASHINGTON !

My country signed a long term contract with Iran, in 2007 I believe !
40 billions dollars ! YESSSSS
America criticIzed us of course.
We told them....IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS....OFFICIALLY AND PUBLICLY !
Since then.....Goliath just shut up !
Very true story.

Ahhhh....ahhhh.

Anyway....here is the latest Japanese TV game. They have to say a sentence in a limited time period. If they dont finish in time....bang.... a stick in their balls !


http://www.bluewin.ch/fr/index.php/1620,283980/LE_jeu_télévisé_japonais/fr/multimedia/buzzoftheday/

Whoaaaa ! smilies/grin.gif
chic!
written by Ederson, June 08, 2010
I love your attitude, and how enthusiastic! Imagine, if chic's neighbor beats up his own family, maybe kills a few members while being filmed by international television, and exports his particular brand of lunacy to neighboring communities, then chic doesn't care because they're business partners, and business always trumps common sense, decency, morality, and the law.
Hey, chic. How much money would your country take to be silent if and when Iran goes after Saudi Arabia,India, or even pathetic little Israel? Have you guys an official buy-off price?
smilies/wink.gif
Sorry ch.c,
written by Ederson, June 08, 2010
Sorry, ch.c, I keep forgetting that you live in Switzerland. Of course there's a buy-off price.smilies/wink.gif
To the Chicken Ederson !
written by ch.c, June 09, 2010
Whoaaaaaa proven how Chicken you are !
What about the Gringos doing in Afghanistan and Iraq ?
Where are the PROVEN IRAQIS WMD shown as proofs by the CIA satellites photos ?

For sure....after having spent about a trillion dollars in 8 years.....still noooo Bin Laden and not one gram of WMD !

Great success and efficiency...for sure !

Americans youths are addicted to PCs and Play Stations wars and violent games !
So that ready they are and addicted they already are...FOR REAL WARS....when they become.....ADULTS !

Keep brainwashing your 300 millions HUMANS CHICKENS !
You talk and sing like chickens, you dance like chickens, you are feeded like chickens...and you defecate like chickens !

And enjoy your triple belly, triple ass and quadruple hip !

Big is Beautiful...pretend the BIBENDUMS !
Being TRIPLE FAT...TRIPLE SIZE...IS A SIGN OF GOOD HEALTH....pretend the chickens !
In a decade gringos are going to be feeded in FEEDLOTS ! More efficient than in your actual PATTIES burgers canteens !
Dont worry.....your feeds will comprise GMO grains and hormones grown meats...just like today !

Ohhhh my...ohhhhh my !

Decadence at its best !

Eventually you will create a new industry for Renewable Energy : PUMP YOUR OWN FAT.....MONTHLY !
Great comments, ch.c,
written by Ederson, June 09, 2010
Sorry, ch,c., I can't help you when it comes to your questions about fat Americans and their foreign policy; you need to ask a Yank for answers to those questions. Nor can I help you with your questions concerning Iraq's WMD. Although, I have read and seen in the press that they used incredible amounts against the Kurds and the Iranians. Horrible deaths, horrible pictures. They probably used it all up for all I know. As for the nuclear WMD, again I can't help you. But I imagine that the French technicians that were caught in the bottom of the reactor during the IAF visit might have been able to answer some of your questions.smilies/wink.gif
Ch.c, you're one of my favorites! smilies/cheesy.gif Just because I can drive a farm tractor better than most, people think that I'm a genius, but I'm not. At times, I'm rather dumb and conceited [I blame it on my Swiss ancestry].smilies/cheesy.gif In fact, the translator button and spell checker functions are my favorite features on my computer.
You know, despite my Swiss ancestry, I can't yodel for the life of me, despite years of practice; however, I can still milk a cow by hand. My mom could hit a cat in the whiskers with warm milk fresh out of the teat. You should have seen it. Are you Swiss enough to be able to yodel or milk a cow by hand? I can just imagine you milking a cow while screaming about the Americans. All that screaming probably makes the cows nervous but would definitely help your yodeling skills. Got to get back to my tractor. Hang in their ch.c! Your sense of humor makes my day.smilies/wink.gif
......
written by fried CHC, June 09, 2010



Ederson.... My approach to CHC is really simple, I don't talk to retards!

Try it....

Costinha
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 09, 2010

Are you Swiss enough to be able to yodel or milk a cow by hand?


A challenging question put forth by a Brasilian peasant of Swiss ancestry to a Swiss billionaire. The "Union" is proud of you.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Joao and Ederson
written by ch.c, June 09, 2010
Doubtful that Ederson is of Swiss ancestry. Ahhhhh....ahhhh !

As to Iraq WMDs you are referring to yearsssssssssss earlier than the 2002 U.S. "FORMAL" proofs that Iraq STILL HAD WMD.
You should better read and re-read what El-Baradei, the chief of the IAE said time and again, namely : the many missions of the IAE in Iraq after the first (1991) war cleaned Iraq of ALL THEIR WMDs !
And since the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.....not ONE GRAM OF WMD has been found by the gringos....despite having spent hundreds of billion dollars since then......trying to find something that no longer existed !

Mixing up the sequences of happenings doesnt make you right....by definition !

You should also read and re-read why so many coalition partners went out of the coalition........when they realized Americans HAD LIED FROM DAY ONE !
Just refer to Blair and others testimonies !

As to your question of could I yodel or milk a cow....swiss... or foreign cow.
The answer is Noooooo !
I am born in Geneva, grew up in Geneva. Not in country side.
But my parents.....sure they knew. They were born in a farming state, grew there before moving to Geneva.
Hopefully that answers your questions.
smilies/grin.gif

But no doubt that Costihna alias Costa knows very well how to milk Brazilians males ! 5 Brl for a milking time !
smilies/cheesy.gif
Ohhhh and about Swiss milks and cheeses......
written by ch.c, June 09, 2010
No doubt that we dont have RECALLS here, due to sanitationssssss and salmonellasssss problems, contrary to the Gringos !
Better yet....in America all milks & cheeses HAVE TO BE PASTEURIZED...to avoid sanitation & salmonellas problems.
NOT HERE. NOT IN FRANCE, NOT IN ITALY, NOT IN GERMANY....AND WE HAVE NEARLY NEVER PRODUCTS RECALLS !!!!
In my view....american farmers dont wash their hands very often after having scratched their own balls...for a while !


smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/wink.gif
ch.c!
written by Ederson, June 09, 2010
Ch.c, I can't stop from laughing when I read your blogs; you just never seem to tire or retreat. Sorry, I thought you were an implant from Brasil. I didn't know you were born there. Hopefully, however, from refugee parents; the thought that we might be related makes me shudder and want to plaster you silly with fresh cow pies.smilies/wink.gif My family left Switzerland fairly early and are a nondescript lot; mostly peasants and average farmers, nothing as outstanding or prestigious as yourself. A number who couldn't afford a ticket had to stay in Switzerland.
I also don't know a great deal about American production of cheese and milk, nor do I have any understanding of the hygiene habits of American farmers. In fact, you're the first person I've ever heard of that even knows or cares where American farmers put their hands; however,something tells me that you are interested, even intrigued, by such questions. smilies/cheesy.gif
And sorry, again. I could care less about the IAE. I refuse to believe that any organization that allows a dictator or religious thug to cast a democratic ballot has any relevance to me or my life. Such actions are vulgar and a disgrace. You Swiss can have the United Nations when the Yanks are through with it.
I am also glad to hear that you live in such a wonderfully clean part of the world. Maybe during the next clash between European powers, some of the fun will finally spill over into Switzerland and you can share some of the "dirt."smilies/wink.gif Take care, ch,c. You are rapidly becoming my favorite blogger, next to Ricky.
Acordo
written by Simpleton, June 09, 2010
Eddie, I too share your feelings about our esteemed Ch.c who by the way, was the one who gave me my handle on this site (or was it Brazzilmag?) immediately after my first ever post on any blog anywhere several years ago! Been a riot ever since.

You have however piqued my interest. From what I've been able to glean so far, you are an Aussie of Swiss origin from a very young age, have a brown haired green eyed wife (which I would normally guess is not a Brasileira) and have relatives (in Brasil??) which I first thought might be part of your wife's family resembling those folks south of Milan with dark / mixed complexions. What exactly are your connections to our beloved Brasil? I trust in some way you are not in the camp of our Monty Python character Lugi Vercotti who has a Brasileiro bride and pops "down to Brasil a few times a year to see family, drink a cold chopp, and bang some girlies. About all the place is good for." Anyway, you don't have to answer and sorry for using the peasant farmer term "glean" - it's just natural for me, I've never felt comfortable living any place I can't see a corn field or some other productive use of the land from at least some spot out in my own backyard.
ch.c
written by João da Silva, June 09, 2010

Doubtful that Ederson is of Swiss ancestry. Ahhhhh....ahhhh !


I wouldn't hasten to doubt his ancestry, Komrad. I think he might be one of the several peons working for Nestlé Brasil. He seems to be an expert Farm tractor driver as well as very good in milking cows and that leads me to believe he has Swiss blood running through his veins.
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