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Brazil Petrobras's Deep-Sea Perilous Games with Treasury Funds PDF Print E-mail
2010 - June 2010
Written by Luiza Mello Franco   
Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:11

Lula holds oil can in PetrobrasThe Brazilian authorities have portrayed a complex issue of huge significance as a simplistic contest between nationalists and sell-outs. On Wednesday, June 9th, the Brazilian Senate passed a bill that alters regulations governing the exploitation of the offshore "pre-salt" oil fields.

Discovered in 2007, these are potentially extensive deposits of oil and gas, trapped several miles under the sea bed beneath a hard layer of salt. The regulations' model will soon change from concessions to partilha (sharing), increasing the government's control over production. One should hasten to underscore the dangers resulting from such a change.

In a partilha system, the role of Petrobras, Brazil's state-controlled oil company, will be overstretched. According to the new pre-salt legislation, the government can sign two types of agreements: either solely with Petrobras, or based on bidding procedures in which companies may participate freely, with an operator status assigned to Petrobras.

This move will force Petrobras to invest more than it can comfortably afford to. Government-proposed funding plans are tortuous and likely to be inappropriate. Inevitably, Petrobras will be financed by the Brazilian treasury, and part of the funding will come from a transfer of 5 billion barrels of oil that presently belong to the federal government, and which are worth an estimated 40 billion reais (about US$ 22 billion).

Applying public funds in this manner is an offense to the Brazilian population, which already suffers from dramatically inefficient social services. One enlightened aspect of the bill is the creation of a Social Fund to direct 50% of pre-salt oil revenues to the improvement of these services.

However, experts believe the pre-salt reserves will not yield profits until 2015. In the meantime, while the government digs into public coffers to pay for Petrobras' investment, Health Minister José Gomes Temporão calls for more funds for his Ministry, arguing that the contrast between public and private healthcare in Brazil may create a spirit of "social apartheid" in the Brazilian healthcare system.

The government's inefficient spending plans make its commitment to financing Petrobras all the more uncalled for. The government argues that without the privileges conceded to Petrobras in a partilha system, the company will not be able to fulfill its mission of developing the equipment necessary to expand the Brazilian oil sector.

The goal is to produce all of the required equipment in Brazil, essentially nationalizing such production to handle the extraction of oil from the pre-salt reserves. It is imperative that Brazil develop a service sector for its oil industry. In order for Brazil to truly benefit from the discovery of these reserves, the country should be a producer, as well as an exporter of oil.

But nationalizing all production may prove to be too costly. According to an Estado de S/ Paulo newspaper editorial, for every dollar invested in the pre-salt, four dollars will be first needed to pay for equipment to service it.

Sergio Gabrielli, Petrobras' director, declared that Petrobras is looking to spend US$ 111.4 billion in the pre-salt reserves. Investment in equipment therefore could cost an additional US$ 400 billion. As a result, the government will be forced to channel most of its resources to the pre-salt program. This will have to come at the expense of other sectors, making the Brazilian economy dangerously dependent on oil.

Finally, there was no need to alter a system that was already handsomely profitable for the government. Under the concession system, Petrobras' output increased significantly, with most of the economic surplus from oil consigned to government coffers.

In 1993, when Petrobras still held a monopoly over the country's oilfields, Brazil produced 693 thousand barrels of oil a day. By 2009, this number had risen to 2 million. In 2007 and 2008, more than 60% of the added value from oilfield operations went to the federal government, states, and individual municipalities in the form of taxes, contributions, royalties, and special fees.

The state, then, was the big winner under the concessions system. As the result of partilha, the relative increase in revenue for the state will not be significant. The concessions system has already provided the government with sufficient funds to invest in what Brazil really needs: improved social services.

Public spending should be a matter of national priority. Pre-salt investments are not as urgent as the improvement of social services, particularly when the cost could be the diversity of the Brazilian economy.

To change the system from concession to partilha could be counter-productive because the current model is already highly profitable, non-exploitative and ultimately less burdensome for Petrobras.

The passing of the pre-salt bill presses the question: will black gold end up being a black stain on the current administration's record?

Luiza Mello Franco is a research associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs (COHA) - www.coha.org. The organization is a think tank established in 1975 to discuss and promote inter-American relationship. Email: coha@coha.org.



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written by João da Silva, June 18, 2010
Well written article and my kudos to Ms.Luiza Mello Franco.She is obviously a Brasilian, as she is quite well informed about the "pre-salt" oil fields and the various methods proposed by the government to get "investment funds".

She has asked some relevant questions and one of them is:

The passing of the pre-salt bill presses the question: will black gold end up being a black stain on the current administration's record?

A refreshing article.



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written by Dimas, June 18, 2010
O jornal sitado é conservador e pro privatização, o atual governo esta pensando no futuro do Brasil quando seremos exportadores de produtos derivados de petróleo e não petróleo bruto como quer alguas empresas multinacionais.
Joao "A refreshing article. "
written by ch.c, June 18, 2010
Welllll...just go back to my comments stating that the Gulf oil spill is just a sample of what is going to happen in ther furure at least ONCE in Brazil !
And that your beach vendors are going to sell SUN-OIL instead of Suntan lotions.
SUN-OIL lotions are going to tan a lot darker...for sure !
Even without in cloudy days !

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ooops..so many tyxping errors. Repeating....
written by ch.c, June 18, 2010
Welllll...just go back to my comments stating that the Gulf oil spill is just a sample of what is going to happen in ther future at least ONCE in Brazil !
And that your beach vendors are going to sell SUN-OIL instead of Suntan lotions.
SUN-OIL lotions are going to tan a lot darker...for sure !
Even in cloudy and rainy days !

continued....
written by ch.c, June 18, 2010
and have a thought about my own thinking....

What is happening in the Gulf of Mexico is BULLISH for ethanol.

I would not be surprised that in the next several months the USA may eventually REDUCE (not eliminate) their ethanol import tax and increase their ethanol imports from Brazil.

And if you paid attention AS I DO, not later than yesterday there was a U.S. decision that they will decide probably next autumn if they will increase their ethanol cap in gasoline from 10 to 15 % !

Brazil may eventually to say.... THANK YOU BP !

Better yet...some weeks ago...SHELL made a 10 billion dollars joint venture with COSAN...if you did not know !

Hey hey ! smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif

Outside of this and on a darker note for ALL brazilians....Murumbi stadium has been excluded of the 2014 World Cup.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=amLZol3M4zlA



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ch.c,
written by Ederson, June 18, 2010
I always read any blog originating from Switzerland with great pleasure. They're never boring.smilies/wink.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 18, 2010

I always read any blog originating from Switzerland with great pleasure. They're never boring


Just because it is from the land of your forefathers?

Shame on ya for not coming out with your peals of wisdom on this article. Have you got cold feet?smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Embarrassed.
written by Ederson, June 18, 2010
Actually, Joao, I thought about sharing a word or two, but didn't because I realized that as much as I plead for jobs and technology to grow in Brasil, there is a point where the benefits diminish, such as the article illustrates. smilies/sad.gif So, here is one article that kind of throttles my patriotic demands. To be honest, this is an article that requires a bit of digestion. No easy answer.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2010

So, here is one article that kind of throttles my patriotic demands.


Only this article?smilies/wink.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2010

Outside of this and on a darker note for ALL brazilians....Murumbi stadium has been excluded of the 2014 World Cup.


Luckily, the "Paulistanos" have a technocrat and a Cartesian as their mayor.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
the "Paulistanos" have a technocrat and a Cartesian as their mayor
written by ch.c, June 19, 2010
Wellll...he pretends to be Cartesian.
You will see first hand...if he is elected !

But technocrat he is. No doubt !
He will double the public servants employees...and raise taxes to pay them. But that wont be enough. therefore he will increase the debts and print more money to pay for the debts.

In Greece, UK, Ireland, France, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and THE USA....they too have top notch technocrats ! Dont they ? Hmmmm


And when Ohhhhhlala (Obama) was elected HIS motto TO HIS electors was...YES WE CAN !
Right ?
Welll...HE meant....yessss HE can increase THEIR DEBTS !


Shortly HE is going to have a new motto for americans citizens : YES....WE CAN'T...anymore reduce YOUR DEBTS !

As funny as it is, here is a true story :
in UK after the opposition won the May election, a Gordon Brown high official left a note in his desk drawer for his successor....
I AM AFRAID THERE IS NO MONEY LEFT !

wELLL...Gordon Brown too was a skilled TECHNOCRAT. He was even finance minister during Blair rein.
And believe it or not HE was at the source of the "light touch" MOTTO.... of letting the UK banks do whatever they wanted.
NOW ?
All UK citizens got a COLORECTAL HARD TOUCH !

Yessss....all these technocrats HAVE FISTED VERY DEEP...their own citizens.
But...but...but....after all these citizens ELECTED their MASTERSSSS !

Therefore I have Nooooo tears.....for those having tears NOW !
And they will have even more tears in the months and few years ahead.

And all these apparent TECHNOCRATS better read again the fable of Jean de la Fontaine....THE GRASSHOPPER AND THE ANT !!
Nooooo need to have gone in prestigious Universities....around the world !

As I have said here time and gain in the past....COMMON SENSE WILL ALWAYS SURFACE....SOONER OR LATER !
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written by Fergie, June 19, 2010
One doesn't have to go to the Gulf O Mexico in Brazil to see how these oil companies are destroying mother earth with the deep sea oil drilling. All one has to do is go to the Gulf of Guinea and see that it has been destroyed by the oil companies. The Nigerian delta is dead and there is very little life there in the water to drink or to fish from. When the man exposed what the oil companies were doing, the Nigerian dictator Abacha had this man hung. Pretty soon the Gulf of Mexico will suffer the same fate as the Gulf of Guinea if action is not taken to stop the deep sea drilling. The science of deep sea drilling is new and most experts don't know the impact of taking oil out of the deep sea will have on mother earth.
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written by ch.c, June 19, 2010
finally have these apparents technocrats realized yet....if their smart and well thought decisions paid off ?
oHHHHH YESSSS.....hundreds of billions dollars (trillions for America) of additional debts.

But why should they care if their DEBTS to GDP is at 70-80 or 130 % ?
After all Japan has already over 200 % debts to gdp...and still growing !
Thus the Euro zone, the UK and America still have some large margin...to grow their debts to gdp...AS CURIOUS AS IT MAY SEEM !

But...but the Euro zone countries individually cannot print Euros as much as they want. Meaning they cant devalue as they did in the past. Right ?
NO PROBLEM ! Lets devalue COLLECTIVELY !
And who becomes the largest winner in the Euro zone ?
Not the PIIGS and France contrary to common wisdom.

But Germany and the Netherlands.....obviously !
Because
- they produce & export the most, comparatively. And an acceptable currency devaluation is welcome.
- they will still borrow at a much lower rate since their budget deficits & debts to GDP is lower than the PIIGS and France. And this is as good for Governments AND companies BORROWINGS !!
After all, companies usually borrow at a higher rate than their respective governments borrowing, 99 % of the time.

Do you catch what is really happening ????
Dont be invariably long term bearish for all Euro zone countries.
A few will do a lot better than others.
Just as in the past !

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ch.c
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2010

You last two posts are quite interesting.

The first one confirms the general disenchantment of many in the political class. The second reinforces my view about Euro zone and your repeated assertion that U.S. is the new "emerging economy".

PIGS & France? They benefited while the sun was shining and now it is for reawakening. Sure, the U.K. will survive, as it is part of the Anglo-American empire. Is it not?

As for the "Pre-salt" oil, I wonder if it is not the same as finding Lithium deposits in Afghanistan.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

Cheerssmilies/smiley.gif
Pre-salt and lithium.
written by Ederson, June 19, 2010
I liked the comparison, Joao. In the long run, both can be obtained, especially if things go well. but gosh, just imagine the many things that could go wrong. Makes the imagination spin.smilies/wink.gif I'd like to know who will be first to make a deal for Afghanistan lithium. I can only imagine that such a discovery will not go well for the peasants there.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2010

I'd like to know who will be first to make a deal for Afghanistan lithium.


Right now my bet is on the Chinese, Ederson. Unless the Swiss come out with a better offer. You must know that Sarko has already staked his claim on the Bolivian Lithium.
China.
written by Ederson, June 19, 2010
Uzbekistan is currently signing deals with China for oil and mineral wealth, despite the regional bloody ethnic cleansing, so it shows that business can be conducted in almost any part of the world. Kazakhstan is considering allowing China to farm a million plus acres of its soil using Chinese labor. There are only 16,000,000 people living in that country. Local experts point out that the amount of people it takes to farm the land China is willing to sign for means that in 50 years at the normal rate of population growth, the Chinese will be the majority in Kazakhstan. I get an e-mail briefing on the area regularly. Still, too many "Stans" to remeber each one in detail. It might take an expert in the area to succeed. I agree that China would be the logical choice. Fascinating area with enormous potential.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 19, 2010

I get an e-mail briefing on the area regularly.


I reckon that Dr.Lloyd Cata is currently in that area and direct touch with you.smilies/wink.gif

Still, too many "Stans" to remeber each one in detail. It might take an expert in the area to succeed.


I think that "Stan" in Arabic means "Land", though I am not sure. My Arabic and Hebrew are getting rusty. smilies/sad.gif

The Chinese and all the "Stan" fellas are becoming strange bed fellows, aren't they? smilies/shocked.gif
Question for Ch.c.
written by wiseman, June 19, 2010
Ch.c., you have some very interesting global insights. Re. Brasil, despite all it's problems, I feel it will muddle through.

My question to you is - do you see the USA going the same way as the x-USSR - given the wars, huge debts, enormous military spending, etc., all unsustainable at least in theoryIt seems that the only thing holding it together is that the U$ is still the world reserve currency. How does a smart & insightful guy like you see things playing out & over approx. what timeline.

Eagerly awaiting your response.

Right now my bet is on the Chinese, Ederson. Unless the Swiss come out with a better offer !
written by ch.c, June 19, 2010
My own preferred bet for now is Russia rather than China.
What annoys me the most is that this week Morgan Stanley came up with a report with the same conclusion, but gladly not the same arguments. So I will stick to my arguments rather than theirs.
Anyway here is part of their report in a Bloomberg article :
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601095&sid=ah25EKKsz.CQ

But better yet, you should all read what the one at Goldman Sachs who invented the BRIC logo wrote in a report not so long ago :
FORGET BRIC, THINK N 11
I know I have the full Goldam Sachs report somewhere in my PC, but simply cant retrace it for now.
Anyway just type....N 11 countries.....at Yahoo or Google and you will see many article referring to the GS report.
Enjoy your reading !

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And to the "WISEMAN"
written by ch.c, June 19, 2010
Sorry...sorry...I am not as wise as the WISEMAN that you pretend to be.
It should be me to ask you questions Mr Wiseman !
Your ID reminds me the gringo junkie using....USA_Male !!!
Or the brazilian junkie using...Bamboo.

To both of them I was not nice. And told them my true nickname is BAOBAB !
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Feel free to continue your discussion and questions with Warren Buffett...as wise as you Mr Pretentious Wiseman.

As to the one talking about Afghanistan and their trillion dollars of metals etc etc !!!!!
Wellll who said it ? AMERICANS ONLY
Who would swear under oath that true it is ? AMERICANS & Afghans...ONLY ¨!

Wellll does that reminds no one that Americans had full proofs with even satelite pictures we all have seen on all TVs, as proofs of their good faith, that Iraq was full of WMDs ?
Thus far not ONE GRAM found despite having spent many hundreds billion dollars since 2003 !!!!
Thus my own view is this......AMERICA IS NOT OUT OF AFGHANISTAN by 2011 as they have assured Americans and the World !
They are going to be there for far longer. NOT THE MINERS....THE ARMY !
Ohhhh and has the U.S ARMY not invaded the country to look after Bin Laden ?????
Somewhat curious that now apparently they also sent a small army...of GEOLOGISTS....to look after Bin Laden !!!!
Welllll....THIS IS AMERICA-HAHA !!!
Wake up ! Wake up !
For me this smells just another Biggggg American LIE !
ch.c,
written by Ederson, June 19, 2010
I enjoy your blogs, ch.c, even if you are from Switzerland.smilies/wink.gif You might be correct about Russia being interested in the mineral deposits. Certainly, the logistics favor them. I enjoyed your comment about the Yanks sending geologists to hunt for Bin Laden.smilies/cheesy.gif That's just pure funny in its own way.
And to Joao on Pre-salt oil !!!!
written by ch.c, June 19, 2010
Nooooo.
OIL IS THERE !
Plenty of it. Enough for many many many decades.
The problem is elswhere.
Basically...OVER CHEAP OIL !
Thus forget oil at 20-30 dollars, unless there is D2 or GR2 (GR for Great Recession as we just had !

On the other hand, against this expensive oil, will compete not cheap oil as is the case in Middle East now, but also cheaper oil but as not as cheap as is being developed in these same countries.
By 2015 or 2016 the Middle East is going to increase their daily production by an additional 15 millions barrels PER DAY !
Not a small additional production capacity.
And this oil is going to be profitable for these countries because it is cheaper oil than the deeper ocean oil...if you catch me !

Outside of this, for Brazil, as I stated with my satyric humor, you just got a sample of what is going to happen ONCE OR TWICE in the years ahead.
My view is not a question of IF but WHEN !
And as to the HOW MUCH WILL SPILL....I let you think and get depressed !
And for sure...I am very happy that there is Noooo oil in our underground OVER HERE ! Even shallow oil is highly polluting !

God bless the Canucks with their oil sands. A real tragedy for their country !
Joao
written by Ederson, June 19, 2010
About the Chinese; I don't think the average person has any idea how widely spread the Chinese are. I think they are only too willing to fill any vacuum the Yanks or Russians create.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2010

About the Chinese; I don't think the average person has any idea how widely spread the Chinese are. I think they are only too willing to fill any vacuum the Yanks or Russians create.


IMHO, the Yanks and Chinese stitched a "strategic alliance" in the early 70´s lead by Mr.Dick Nixon and Mr.Heinrich Kissinger. This was done to contain the influence of the erstwhile U.S.S.R and over the years the bond and the "alliance" continue to grow. The Chinese are real buddies of the "Anglo-American" empire. Old Kissinger is atill a revered figure among the ruling elite of China. I wonder if you saw the old man present in the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

Ricardo Amaral has made several comments as how much the Yanks are indebted to their Chinese brethren. The war in Afghanistan is in a way financed by the Chinese who expect a good "return on their investment". To start with they got a license for copper mining for a paltry sum of $3 Billions. I was astonished to read how they have created a "Trailer City" near the mines and only the Chines labor is employed. Of course, they buy their daily essentials from the Afghan farmers and tradesmen, thus keeping the local peasants happy. No security problems in the camp.

The "alliance" is very convenient for both the parties, as they get the minerals and other natural resources almost free, churn them into finished "Value Added Products" and sell them to the rest of the world.All under the blessings and full approval of Dr.Lloyd Cata´s "Empire". So I am not sure how the Russians are going to create further "vacuum" as it was already "created" for them in the 1980´s .smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

If our esteemed and respectable fellow blogger ch.c is "betting" on the Chinese it could be due to one or combination of three reasons a)He must be a close friend of Sr. Vladimiro Putin and have inside info b) He wants to stimulate some "healthy" debate by betting on the wrong horse c) He is awaiting the full report of the American Geologists, before making up his mind as to or not to "invest" in Afghanistan. smilies/wink.gif

As for the Chinese investment in Brasil, the latest news is that they are doing it in a wise manner (in the infrastructure). One newspaper report says that whether we like them or not, we should be prepared to put up with the. My personal opinion is that they may be less condescending to our skilled personnel than the European "investors". I do not have anything against the Chinese because of the race. I think the Brasilian government should encourage them to invest here to improve our infrastructure, instead of just importing their plastic junk produced in Shanghai. For example, a nice airport like the one they built in Beijing could be constructed right in the middle of Brasil, financed by them.

BTW, before you came in to the blog, Ricardo had written an article about the Chinese investment in Brasil. His vision is proving to be right.

P.S: Will be busy for rest of the day. Brasil 3 x Ivory Coast 0 smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2010

If our esteemed and respectable fellow blogger ch.c is "betting" on the Chinese


Sorry Ederson. It should read:

If our esteemed and respectable fellow blogger ch.c is "betting" on the Russians
Response to CH.c.
written by wiseman, June 20, 2010
Regarding deepwater oil extraction, it seems to me the Norwegians have quite a successful track record to date. Do you agree?

Still waiting for your opinion on how long the U$ can hold as the world reserve currency. Remember the Englanders & their 'empire' after the Pound lost world reserve currency status.

I dont think much of the American analysts & their Ratings agencies, etc. I think Warren Buffet is a shrewd, self serving promoter, who cannot be trusted......

Finally, FYI, I am not USA_Male or Bamboo, whoever these individuals may be.

Chinese versus Russian.
written by Ederson, June 20, 2010
Joao. I knew what you meant. Another note of interest, at least to me, is how when the Chinese move into a new market, they much desire to bring their own labor with them. I was reading that in some Africa countries the locals complain that they have lost jobs to the labor the Chinese bring in once they have signed a contract. Historically, this has always been a Russian ploy; whenever the Russians would takeover another country, they always would ship huge amounts of new settlers to Russianize the province. The folks living in one of the "Stans" that were previously Russian have a lot to say about this subject. I think the Chinese are only doing what has historically worked well with others.
I read an essay recently that raised the possibility that Russian territorial desires have lessened due to a falling ethnic Russian population at home. I don't know, very interesting, however.

I don't know that much about Kissenger. I know that he was associated with Nixon and China and the Yank's war in South-east Asia. Too much to read! Can't read and drive a tractor at the same time.smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Fergie, June 20, 2010
@Ederson, the test for China will come when they let their currency float on the open market. For a long time China had pegged their yuan to the US dollar and it gave them an unfair trade advantage. The Obama is bring a lot of pressure on China to let their currency float to bring down inflation in China. For the first time the workers in China are going on strikes for better pay because they can't live off the low pay. For those of you don't know it, housing in China are so expensive that people are living in group homes and the people can hardly buy food because it's so expensive. Speaking of the US debt, all of the US debt is in dollars and has to be paid back in US dollars. If the Chines let their yuan float like they say they would let it float, the amount of money owed to China would decrease by the US. Most of those companies in China are from Europe and the US, if the cost of labor goes up in China they will leave China. This is why China doesn't want their yuan to go up in value. In other words the west got China by the balls.
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2010

I almost got the result correctly. Brasil 3, but...but...Ivory Coast 1.smilies/wink.gif

Another note of interest, at least to me, is how when the Chinese move into a new market, they much desire to bring their own labor with them.


It is the best way to confront irresponsible labor unions and equally reckless, overpaid and politicized labor tribunes like the ones we have.smilies/angry.gif Don´t get me wrong and mistake me as the union buster. When a Chinese company comes to Brasil with their own folks and pays in Dollar or Real and obeys the Brasilian labor laws, I would imagine its employees would be happy to get the job done with the stipulated time and save some money to take home when their contract and hence the work visas runs out. According to what I hear, the purchasing power of dollar is still quite high in PRC. As you know, it is difficult for the foreigners to get a resident visa and I guess the Chinese trying to "settle" down in the country doesn't arise. ie. Unless they find Brasilian espouses smilies/wink.gif

Besides the above factor, the executives of the company in question doesn't have to spend too much time in learning the language to deal with the local labor nor the "cultural problems" which can be time consuming, tiresome and counter productive.

From my experience, I have found that the folks from that part of the world are highly disciplined, focused and hardworking when they come to work on projects in distant lands.They are not interested in intermingling with us culturally as they know that their stay is for short duration and they are here just to get the job done, gain experience, make money and go home. Therefore, I see no harm in letting the Chinese in to build some nice infrastructure with their own money and labor.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif

P.S: I know, I know, ... I am going to get lots of flak for being a "union buster".smilies/cool.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2010

Too much to read! Can't read and drive a tractor at the same time.


In my case, it is easy. I carry a portable radio, when I am riding the horse. Anyway, I don't know to drive, leave alone a farm tractor.smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Joao, the union buster!
written by Ederson, June 20, 2010
Joao, I agree with you, and I don't think that you are a union buster!smilies/wink.gif Common sense has to make itself known, somehow. Yes, from what I read about the Chinese, I'm very impressed. I've watched several television programs about some of their worldwide projects and can't help but be impressed.
I'm not as well studied on the China-American relationship. When someone says America, I always think of England, Canada, and the Yanks as being economically close. But is there a concensus that China is part of that group? How in the world do you folks remember so many details?smilies/wink.gif

Be glad that you don't have to drive any farm tractors! Just the other day, I was out mowing weeds with a big tow-around mower wondering where a certain ditch was, so I would be certain to miss it. Gosh, the ground opened up and down I fell sideways into the ditch. I guess I found it!
I knew that ditch was full of snakes, so I shut the mower off to give the tractor more power and hoped that my new tractor could work a miracle and haul my butt out of the ditch. It did! Was I ever happy! I hate snakes but love a big tractor.smilies/cheesy.gif
Ederson
written by João da Silva, June 20, 2010


How in the world do you folks remember so many details?


That is because of my association with well informed and scholarly folks like Komrad ch.c.smilies/cool.gif

I am also quite impressed with your skill in driving tractors and milking cows. You guys with Swiss blood running through your veins are very talented in diversified fields. I can understand your aversion to snakes though, as in Switzerland, such wretched creatures are forbidden by law to "co-exist" with human beings.smilies/wink.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Coexistence
written by Simpleton, June 21, 2010
Coexistence, whether it is between people, flora,fauna, mother earth, the weather or any of these between the one and the other is a delicate thing. Mistakes are made and one or the other gets devoured, supplanted, mangled, maimed, destroyed or twisted. Tis life but humans can always be counted on to f_ck with it.

Joao: "I can understand your aversion to snakes though, as in Switzerland, such wretched creatures are forbidden by law to "co-exist" with human beings."

A very very inappropiate law they have. Definitely stinks of Arizona (and next Nebraska) style profiling. I am certain(if they had any beaches and a few more music festas not involving yodeling or polka) that our dear asp could manage to co-exist just fine in Switzerland.
Simpleton
written by João da Silva, June 22, 2010

Tis life but humans can always be counted on to f_ck with it.


Amen.
BANDA EVA LIVE IN ZURIQUE, SUIçA EXCLUSIVE!
written by CALIENTE!, June 23, 2010
BANDA EVA
Samstag, 07.08.2010, Volkshaus Zürich

Nach Margareth Menezes, Jorge Benjor, Olodum, Ivete Sangalo, Banda Calypso und Gilberto Gil freut sich Caliente!, eine weitere richtig grosse und berühmte brasilianische Band präsentieren zu dürfen.

BANDA EVA - Gegründet in den frühen 90er-Jahren, entwickelte sich die baianische Formation Banda Eva zu einer wichtigen und heute schon legendären Axé/Pop-Institution. 1993 erschien mit "Banda Eva" eine erste CD und bis 1999 führte die Leadsängerin Ivete Sangalo - heute solo und absoluter brasilianischer Superstar - die Gruppe mit Hits wie "Beleza Rara", "Vem" und "Carro Velho" von einem Highlight zum anderen. Sangalo wurde durch den ebenso fähigen Starsänger Saulo ersetzt, der hohe Qualitätsstandard blieb erhalten und Banda Eva wissen bis heute voll und ganz zu überzeugen. Ihr Auftritt am Samstag, 7. August im Volkshaus Zürich wird zweifellos der grosse musikalische Hochsommer-Knüller werden!

Türöffnung: 20.00 Uhr
Beginn: 21.30 Uhr
Ende: 23.45 Uhr


VIP-Tickets (limited!):
- separater VIP-Bereich, direkt vor der Bühne
- separater VIP-Eingang bei Backstage-Bereich vom Volkshaus (Zugang via Bäckerstrasse)
- Welcome Drink (Prosecco oder Mineral)



Der Vorverkauf für das Konzert ist eröffnet.
Das Eintrittsticket gilt als ZVV-Fahrausweis für Hin- und Rückfahrt am Veranstaltungstag innerhalb der Zone 10 (Stadt Zürich).
Keine Parkplätze vorhanden. Bitte Zug, Tram und Bus benützen.

starticket:
http://www.starticket.ch/0ShowInfo.asp?ShowID=34226&ShowDetails=1

ticketcorner:
http://www.ticketcorner.com/eventstore/control/requestcard?leistid=62150&sysid=500&typ=TS&mand=2645

www.caliente.ch
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written by João da Silva, June 23, 2010

BANDA EVA LIVE IN ZURIQUE, SUIçA EXCLUSIVE!


I bet Komrad ch.c is the promotor and finaciar of this "Banda"smilies/wink.gif

P.S: BTW, has anyone heard from Cel.Ederson?smilies/grin.gif
No news
written by Simpleton, June 23, 2010
No new stuff from Autenant Eddie (although he ranks high with me, I think you may have him rated above his station with your Cel. prefix.) Not much new recently but it seems we've picked up a non-english literate promoter showing up on the site.

Eddie's probably just waiting on some new material worthy of commenting on.
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written by asp, June 27, 2010
" I am certain(if they had any beaches and a few more music festas not involving yodeling or polka) that our dear asp could manage to co-exist just fine in Switzerland."

oh boy, that is a funny, simps....almost missed it....too much tea and crumpets around here...
Making ends meet
written by Simpleton, June 27, 2010
Yah, yah, guess that snake / asp / coexistence thing was buried a bit deep but it wasn't from too much tea and crumpets - more like too much time in the cabana. That's something else to consider too. The cabana's are probably a bit frosty there but then again they have no problem importing brasil's hottest and finest - as ch.c says, only top of the line like you know, the Swiss quality (made, maid) thing. You'd also probably miss not having as many good surf days - but the day it does come in be ready! It will be a doozy.
yeah, simps
written by asp, June 27, 2010
unfortunatly, frosty cabanas make it hard for fio dental ,as a matter of fact, its affecting where im living now , since it gets a little chilly now in winter.

i just get kind of grey in winter...but, i get more business done
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